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the exhibition title was uh

derived from the blind leading leading

derived from the blind leading leading

derived from the blind leading leading the blind which is a an expression where

the blind which is a an expression where

the blind which is a an expression where you know the hopelessness of people who

you know the hopelessness of people who

you know the hopelessness of people who have no hope leading other people who

have no hope leading other people who

have no hope leading other people who have no hope and I kind of assumed that

have no hope and I kind of assumed that

have no hope and I kind of assumed that it would be more interesting if uh you

it would be more interesting if uh you

it would be more interesting if uh you know referred to the procession of the

know referred to the procession of the

know referred to the procession of the Damned as in people who are Undead or

Damned as in people who are Undead or

Damned as in people who are Undead or dead you know it's just like the title

dead you know it's just like the title

dead you know it's just like the title and people should expect to be

and people should expect to be

and people should expect to be um thrilled by this exhibition

um thrilled by this exhibition

um thrilled by this exhibition monuments to immortality are

monuments to immortality are

monuments to immortality are a series of bomb vests

a series of bomb vests

a series of bomb vests copied from bomb vests that haven't

copied from bomb vests that haven't

copied from bomb vests that haven't exploded

exploded

exploded um they're made in bronze and bronze is

um they're made in bronze and bronze is

um they're made in bronze and bronze is usually the material used to memorialize

usually the material used to memorialize

usually the material used to memorialize Heroes so that you see these kind of

Heroes so that you see these kind of

Heroes so that you see these kind of sculptures of kind of

sculptures of kind of

sculptures of kind of soldiers and kind of generals kind of

soldiers and kind of generals kind of

soldiers and kind of generals kind of littered around cities monuments to

littered around cities monuments to

littered around cities monuments to immortality are just bronze sculptures

immortality are just bronze sculptures

immortality are just bronze sculptures are off the moment and at which

are off the moment and at which

are off the moment and at which um you know someone someone's bid for

um you know someone someone's bid for

um you know someone someone's bid for immortality uh occurs you know they're

immortality uh occurs you know they're

immortality uh occurs you know they're kind of like they've captured moments in

kind of like they've captured moments in

kind of like they've captured moments in which

which

which um you know

um you know

um you know but Arena let's talk about something

but Arena let's talk about something

but Arena let's talk about something else come on we should talk about

else come on we should talk about

else come on we should talk about football I think some people uh you know

football I think some people uh you know

football I think some people uh you know obviously the reaction to work varies

obviously the reaction to work varies

obviously the reaction to work varies infinitely but I think

infinitely but I think

infinitely but I think um it's possible that the work uh it has

um it's possible that the work uh it has

um it's possible that the work uh it has people engage with its kind of critical

people engage with its kind of critical

people engage with its kind of critical function or people kind of laugh at the

function or people kind of laugh at the

function or people kind of laugh at the work because they can see the humor or

work because they can see the humor or

work because they can see the humor or the kind of the Sinister side of it or

the kind of the Sinister side of it or

the kind of the Sinister side of it or some people are morally offended by it

some people are morally offended by it

some people are morally offended by it um you know so the reactions are varied

um you know so the reactions are varied

um you know so the reactions are varied and multiple it's difficult to know and

and multiple it's difficult to know and

and multiple it's difficult to know and I'm certainly not the Arbiter of other

I'm certainly not the Arbiter of other

I'm certainly not the Arbiter of other people's interpretations of the work

people's interpretations of the work

people's interpretations of the work that's the work is made and that's

that's the work is made and that's

that's the work is made and that's that's for them to kind of you know

that's for them to kind of you know

that's for them to kind of you know that's their part of the kind of

that's their part of the kind of

that's their part of the kind of contract I guess I'm not really sure

contract I guess I'm not really sure

contract I guess I'm not really sure what who the public is who is the public

what who the public is who is the public

what who the public is who is the public is it a kind of uh the official

is it a kind of uh the official

is it a kind of uh the official Bourgeois Elite or is it the kind of a

Bourgeois Elite or is it the kind of a

Bourgeois Elite or is it the kind of a liberal Elite or is it a kind of a

liberal Elite or is it a kind of a

liberal Elite or is it a kind of a general public for people who are not

general public for people who are not

general public for people who are not that familiar with art so I don't I'm

that familiar with art so I don't I'm

that familiar with art so I don't I'm don't really like talking about the

don't really like talking about the

don't really like talking about the public or the audience it's kind of

public or the audience it's kind of

public or the audience it's kind of difficult to know but I think in a more

difficult to know but I think in a more

difficult to know but I think in a more interesting sense the idea that the work

interesting sense the idea that the work

interesting sense the idea that the work is not part of me once it leaves the

is not part of me once it leaves the

is not part of me once it leaves the studio is because in a sense the work of

studio is because in a sense the work of

studio is because in a sense the work of art is only an approximation of the

art is only an approximation of the

art is only an approximation of the artists and intentions you know it's

artists and intentions you know it's

artists and intentions you know it's possible to kind of consider a history

possible to kind of consider a history

possible to kind of consider a history of art that excludes even the people who

of art that excludes even the people who

of art that excludes even the people who made it there's no correlation between

made it there's no correlation between

made it there's no correlation between the artist's intentions and the work of

the artist's intentions and the work of

the artist's intentions and the work of art that relationship is completely

art that relationship is completely

art that relationship is completely tangential and it's not uh it's not

tangential and it's not uh it's not

tangential and it's not uh it's not evident it's not it's it's impossible to

evident it's not it's it's impossible to

evident it's not it's it's impossible to possess the meaning of a work of art so

possess the meaning of a work of art so

possess the meaning of a work of art so in a sense the uh you know the artist is

in a sense the uh you know the artist is

in a sense the uh you know the artist is kind of like a a work of art if anything

kind of like a a work of art if anything

kind of like a a work of art if anything um the reason making art is interesting

um the reason making art is interesting

um the reason making art is interesting is because it deposes the artist the

is because it deposes the artist the

is because it deposes the artist the artist is the least important uh element

artist is the least important uh element

artist is the least important uh element in the process that once the work of art

in the process that once the work of art

in the process that once the work of art kind of is somehow finished then it

kind of is somehow finished then it

kind of is somehow finished then it there's no Allegiance or responsibility

there's no Allegiance or responsibility

there's no Allegiance or responsibility to uphold the artist's intentions in

to uphold the artist's intentions in

to uphold the artist's intentions in fact the artist's intentions are

fact the artist's intentions are

fact the artist's intentions are normally you know you can imagine a

normally you know you can imagine a

normally you know you can imagine a history of art that actually excludes

history of art that actually excludes

history of art that actually excludes the artists and it probably be a more

the artists and it probably be a more

the artists and it probably be a more interesting

interesting

interesting description of the process of making art

description of the process of making art

description of the process of making art I mean upsetting them subverting I mean

I mean upsetting them subverting I mean

I mean upsetting them subverting I mean I think you know this this idea that the

I think you know this this idea that the

I think you know this this idea that the kind of art occupies some kind of

kind of art occupies some kind of

kind of art occupies some kind of counter-cultural position I think is is

counter-cultural position I think is is

counter-cultural position I think is is is vaguely sentimental I think the

is vaguely sentimental I think the

is vaguely sentimental I think the Counter Culture is this is the status

Counter Culture is this is the status

Counter Culture is this is the status quo

quo

quo um Counter Culture kind of died in 1968

um Counter Culture kind of died in 1968

um Counter Culture kind of died in 1968 I imagine you know

I imagine you know

I imagine you know um and as far as you know the

um and as far as you know the

um and as far as you know the possibility of a work of art you know

possibility of a work of art you know

possibility of a work of art you know kind of

kind of

kind of being critically kind of um

being critically kind of um

being critically kind of um successful is is or at least uh I think

successful is is or at least uh I think

successful is is or at least uh I think you said something like upsetting people

you said something like upsetting people

you said something like upsetting people or affecting people I think the thing

or affecting people I think the thing

or affecting people I think the thing about how critical art functions is that

about how critical art functions is that

about how critical art functions is that it draws people into a kind of a

it draws people into a kind of a

it draws people into a kind of a melodramatic pantomime that they kind of

melodramatic pantomime that they kind of

melodramatic pantomime that they kind of that they actually are

that they actually are

that they actually are um they participate in so when people

um they participate in so when people

um they participate in so when people are shocked by the work of art they

are shocked by the work of art they

are shocked by the work of art they participate in their own shock you know

participate in their own shock you know

participate in their own shock you know it's a kind of it's a it's a

it's a kind of it's a it's a

it's a kind of it's a it's a melodramatic reaction

melodramatic reaction

melodramatic reaction um you know I think if people assume

um you know I think if people assume

um you know I think if people assume that somehow a work of art should be

that somehow a work of art should be

that somehow a work of art should be shocking they fulfill their bar their

shocking they fulfill their bar their

shocking they fulfill their bar their part in The Exchange and pretend to be

part in The Exchange and pretend to be

part in The Exchange and pretend to be shocked

shocked

shocked um I think anyone who's shocked by Art

um I think anyone who's shocked by Art

um I think anyone who's shocked by Art is probably shocked by

is probably shocked by

is probably shocked by uh courgettes I mean I think

uh courgettes I mean I think

uh courgettes I mean I think again you know it's it's it's very

again you know it's it's it's very

again you know it's it's it's very difficult to not think of Art

difficult to not think of Art

difficult to not think of Art uh becoming a uh a kind of weaponized

uh becoming a uh a kind of weaponized

uh becoming a uh a kind of weaponized um function of of Bourgeois

um function of of Bourgeois

um function of of Bourgeois gentrification

gentrification

gentrification so it's very difficult to see critical

so it's very difficult to see critical

so it's very difficult to see critical art as having some uh some kind of

art as having some uh some kind of

art as having some uh some kind of purpose other than to kind of expand

purpose other than to kind of expand

purpose other than to kind of expand markets to see it as a kind of a

markets to see it as a kind of a

markets to see it as a kind of a performative vehicle of capital

performative vehicle of capital

performative vehicle of capital and so any kind of counter-cultural sort

and so any kind of counter-cultural sort

and so any kind of counter-cultural sort of Ambitions that it has are sort of

of Ambitions that it has are sort of

of Ambitions that it has are sort of kind of embedded in this notion that uh

kind of embedded in this notion that uh

kind of embedded in this notion that uh you know that we we use things like

you know that we we use things like

you know that we we use things like Counter Culture to express our

Counter Culture to express our

Counter Culture to express our anti-capitalism by stitwell still

anti-capitalism by stitwell still

anti-capitalism by stitwell still participating in capitalism so you know

participating in capitalism so you know

participating in capitalism so you know we kind of the works of art which are

we kind of the works of art which are

we kind of the works of art which are kind of most abject they uh they act out

kind of most abject they uh they act out

kind of most abject they uh they act out or they compensate our sense of kind of

or they compensate our sense of kind of

or they compensate our sense of kind of revolutionary Spirit whilst we're still

revolutionary Spirit whilst we're still

revolutionary Spirit whilst we're still participating in capitalism so I I you

participating in capitalism so I I you

participating in capitalism so I I you know I deeply pessimistic about the

know I deeply pessimistic about the

know I deeply pessimistic about the possibility of our functioning in any

possibility of our functioning in any

possibility of our functioning in any kind of critical way because I see

kind of critical way because I see

kind of critical way because I see critique and critical criticism as being

critique and critical criticism as being

critique and critical criticism as being part of some kind of dialectical sort of

part of some kind of dialectical sort of

part of some kind of dialectical sort of capitalistic motion you know uh I'm not

capitalistic motion you know uh I'm not

capitalistic motion you know uh I'm not sure if I said I was anti-progressive I

sure if I said I was anti-progressive I

sure if I said I was anti-progressive I mean I'm just kind of trying to I

mean I'm just kind of trying to I

mean I'm just kind of trying to I suppose that you know what if you if you

suppose that you know what if you if you

suppose that you know what if you if you place a question over progressiveness

place a question over progressiveness

place a question over progressiveness without assuming it as being the natural

without assuming it as being the natural

without assuming it as being the natural momentum of any form of activity whether

momentum of any form of activity whether

momentum of any form of activity whether it's science or art or anything the

it's science or art or anything the

it's science or art or anything the notion of progress implies that there's

notion of progress implies that there's

notion of progress implies that there's some end points to progress you know you

some end points to progress you know you

some end points to progress you know you can't have infinite progress progress

can't have infinite progress progress

can't have infinite progress progress implies that there's some kind of uh

implies that there's some kind of uh

implies that there's some kind of uh civilizing process and again this refers

civilizing process and again this refers

civilizing process and again this refers back to kind of ideas of Enlightenment

back to kind of ideas of Enlightenment

back to kind of ideas of Enlightenment you know Enlightenment is an ideology

you know Enlightenment is an ideology

you know Enlightenment is an ideology it's not a natural order of things and

it's not a natural order of things and

it's not a natural order of things and so we need to kind of maybe kind of

so we need to kind of maybe kind of

so we need to kind of maybe kind of rethink what we think is a natural

rethink what we think is a natural

rethink what we think is a natural natural progression is a term so what's

natural progression is a term so what's

natural progression is a term so what's natural about progression there's

natural about progression there's

natural about progression there's nothing natural about progression and

nothing natural about progression and

nothing natural about progression and also the thing about progression is it

also the thing about progression is it

also the thing about progression is it implies that there's some humanistic

implies that there's some humanistic

implies that there's some humanistic assumption that progression is good

assumption that progression is good

assumption that progression is good you can have immense you can have an

you can have immense you can have an

you can have immense you can have an Enlightenment that could move towards

Enlightenment that could move towards

Enlightenment that could move towards things like you know industrial genocide

things like you know industrial genocide

things like you know industrial genocide it's fully fully

it's fully fully

it's fully fully um it's fully uh

um it's fully uh

um it's fully uh you can you can reconcile the notion of

you can you can reconcile the notion of

you can you can reconcile the notion of mass genocide

mass genocide

mass genocide I.E the Holocaust with principles of

I.E the Holocaust with principles of

I.E the Holocaust with principles of Enlightenment they are absolutely

Enlightenment they are absolutely

Enlightenment they are absolutely completely the same so so progress

completely the same so so progress

completely the same so so progress doesn't necessarily mean uh progress

doesn't necessarily mean uh progress

doesn't necessarily mean uh progress towards something which is kind of of

towards something which is kind of of

towards something which is kind of of some you know evolutionarily sort of

some you know evolutionarily sort of

some you know evolutionarily sort of positive sort of Direction I think

positive sort of Direction I think

positive sort of Direction I think nature I think the concept of nature is

nature I think the concept of nature is

nature I think the concept of nature is uh is a kind of a very prejudicial term

uh is a kind of a very prejudicial term

uh is a kind of a very prejudicial term you know

you know

you know um

um

um I think uh you know

I think uh you know

I think uh you know it's very it's very it's very it's kind

it's very it's very it's very it's kind

it's very it's very it's very it's kind of very difficult to Define what nature

of very difficult to Define what nature

of very difficult to Define what nature is really either everything is nature or

is really either everything is nature or

is really either everything is nature or nothing is nature and if everything is

nothing is nature and if everything is

nothing is nature and if everything is nature that includes

nature that includes

nature that includes everything which is kind of supposedly

everything which is kind of supposedly

everything which is kind of supposedly against nature you know atom bombs

against nature you know atom bombs

against nature you know atom bombs pollution pollution is natural there's

pollution pollution is natural there's

pollution pollution is natural there's nothing unnatural about pollution

nothing unnatural about pollution

nothing unnatural about pollution there's nothing unnatural about climate

there's nothing unnatural about climate

there's nothing unnatural about climate change there's nothing unnatural about

change there's nothing unnatural about

change there's nothing unnatural about uh the acceleration of humanity towards

uh the acceleration of humanity towards

uh the acceleration of humanity towards its own Extinction these things are all

its own Extinction these things are all

its own Extinction these things are all utterly make natural and once you make

utterly make natural and once you make

utterly make natural and once you make Arguments for nature why would you

Arguments for nature why would you

Arguments for nature why would you resist nature

resist nature

resist nature you know because if you resist nature

you know because if you resist nature

you know because if you resist nature then you make that unnatural it's

then you make that unnatural it's

then you make that unnatural it's unnatural to resist Extinction

unnatural to resist Extinction

unnatural to resist Extinction Beauty I guess

Beauty I guess

Beauty I guess I mean you know it's whether you're kind

I mean you know it's whether you're kind

I mean you know it's whether you're kind of discussing taste or sensibility or uh

of discussing taste or sensibility or uh

of discussing taste or sensibility or uh a kind of a human proportion of beauty

a kind of a human proportion of beauty

a kind of a human proportion of beauty or whether you're discussing a kind of a

or whether you're discussing a kind of a

or whether you're discussing a kind of a kantian Sublime notion of beauty which

kantian Sublime notion of beauty which

kantian Sublime notion of beauty which is kind of like a comprehension of well

is kind of like a comprehension of well

is kind of like a comprehension of well a miscomprehension of of the magnitude

a miscomprehension of of the magnitude

a miscomprehension of of the magnitude of matter and the scale of things uh

of matter and the scale of things uh

of matter and the scale of things uh which kind of

which kind of

which kind of compel you towards a kind of a a concept

compel you towards a kind of a a concept

compel you towards a kind of a a concept of death so the sublime and death are

of death so the sublime and death are

of death so the sublime and death are the same so Beauty can be a kind of an

the same so Beauty can be a kind of an

the same so Beauty can be a kind of an overwhelming sense of imminent Doom or

overwhelming sense of imminent Doom or

overwhelming sense of imminent Doom or it can be a nice color so I guess pick

it can be a nice color so I guess pick

it can be a nice color so I guess pick pick which one you want really