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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,542 --> 00:00:11,291 Hmm. 2 00:00:12,875 --> 00:00:16,708 Um, you know, I've had an OnlyFans for a very long time. 3 00:00:16,875 --> 00:00:18,707 I was young, dumb, and full of [bleep], 4 00:00:18,708 --> 00:00:21,624 and so, you know, I gave it a try. 5 00:00:21,625 --> 00:00:23,042 It's really hard to say 6 00:00:23,167 --> 00:00:26,541 what a sex tape is like in the age of OnlyFans. 7 00:00:26,542 --> 00:00:29,249 Having sex with someone famous wasn't enough anymore. 8 00:00:29,250 --> 00:00:30,667 What else can stand out? 9 00:00:30,917 --> 00:00:35,499 Now we find ourselves in this new world of media and OnlyFans. 10 00:00:35,500 --> 00:00:38,999 So, OnlyFans-- I didn't even know what it was. 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,167 - You guys ready? - Is it a porn site? 12 00:00:41,292 --> 00:00:43,916 Like, what are people trying to do on there? 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Very literally, sex sells. 31 00:02:04,417 --> 00:02:09,832 It's a tale as old as time that people want to exploit sex. 32 00:02:09,833 --> 00:02:12,707 It used to just be confined into the bedroom 33 00:02:12,708 --> 00:02:15,999 or sort of in a private space, and now it's everywhere. 34 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,582 The vast majority of adults have taken and sent nude photos. 35 00:02:20,583 --> 00:02:23,833 The more we talk about things, the more common they become, 36 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,957 the more desensitized we are to them. 37 00:02:25,958 --> 00:02:27,707 So, something like a sex tape 38 00:02:27,708 --> 00:02:30,083 just becomes kind of normal in a weird way. 39 00:02:30,208 --> 00:02:31,833 So, sex wasn't enough anymore, 40 00:02:31,958 --> 00:02:34,582 and having sex with someone famous wasn't enough anymore. 41 00:02:34,583 --> 00:02:36,707 What else can stand out about it? 42 00:02:36,708 --> 00:02:40,291 OnlyFans was created in 2016 43 00:02:40,292 --> 00:02:42,625 by Tim Stokely and his brother Thomas Stokely, 44 00:02:42,750 --> 00:02:45,499 two British entrepreneurs. 45 00:02:45,500 --> 00:02:47,500 I remember there was this kind of, like, 46 00:02:47,625 --> 00:02:49,542 weird connotation of, like, what is it? Is it a porn site? 47 00:02:49,667 --> 00:02:51,332 Like, what are people trying to do on there? 48 00:02:51,333 --> 00:02:53,750 Are people topless? Are people naked? Whatever it is. 49 00:02:53,875 --> 00:02:57,291 OnlyFans is a subscription-based platform 50 00:02:57,292 --> 00:03:01,166 where people can interact with their fans directly. 51 00:03:01,167 --> 00:03:02,999 It's direct-to-consumer content. 52 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,041 It was first premiered, you know, 53 00:03:06,042 --> 00:03:07,083 "The New York Times" kind of wrote about it 54 00:03:07,375 --> 00:03:08,958 as like, well, famous porn star. 55 00:03:09,083 --> 00:03:10,374 You get to interact with your fans. 56 00:03:10,375 --> 00:03:11,749 That's sort of how it was marketed, 57 00:03:11,750 --> 00:03:13,583 but it's not actually what was happening. 58 00:03:13,708 --> 00:03:16,707 What it is is a way of monetizing 59 00:03:16,708 --> 00:03:18,791 a social media following. 60 00:03:18,792 --> 00:03:21,833 OnlyFans, um, started out as 61 00:03:21,958 --> 00:03:25,542 the space for sex workers, but... 62 00:03:25,708 --> 00:03:27,416 The thing about OnlyFans that's making it work 63 00:03:27,417 --> 00:03:30,332 is it's regular people. You always read these stories. 64 00:03:30,333 --> 00:03:32,082 - Yeah. - It's like divorced mom 65 00:03:32,083 --> 00:03:34,500 with two kids is making $800,000 a month. 66 00:03:34,625 --> 00:03:36,999 During the pandemic, the most popular thing 67 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,166 that arose out of it was OnlyFans 68 00:03:39,167 --> 00:03:41,250 and all the webcam sites. 69 00:03:41,542 --> 00:03:43,041 All these companies became big 70 00:03:43,042 --> 00:03:45,500 because all these people were home. 71 00:03:45,625 --> 00:03:47,082 They were collecting unemployment, 72 00:03:47,083 --> 00:03:49,457 and they were able to see live girls 73 00:03:49,458 --> 00:03:52,082 doing whatever they wanted them to do over a webcam. 74 00:03:52,083 --> 00:03:53,832 And people thought it was cool. 75 00:03:53,833 --> 00:03:56,875 Especially since everyone was isolated at home, 76 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,832 celebrities have kind of come in there and said, 77 00:03:58,833 --> 00:04:00,207 "Okay, this is maybe more 78 00:04:00,208 --> 00:04:02,416 of a little bit of, like, salacious content 79 00:04:02,417 --> 00:04:04,541 that I wouldn't necessarily post on Instagram or Facebook 80 00:04:04,542 --> 00:04:07,416 or Twitter or whatever it is, but I can post it here 81 00:04:07,417 --> 00:04:10,249 and know that people genuinely want to see it." 82 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:11,500 I think it's a way for them, the celebrities, 83 00:04:11,667 --> 00:04:13,500 to tell their side of the story. 84 00:04:14,875 --> 00:04:16,833 Hello. I'm Shanna Moakler. 85 00:04:16,958 --> 00:04:19,791 I'm a former Miss USA, Playboy Playmate, actress, 86 00:04:19,792 --> 00:04:23,832 TV personality, and successful OnlyFans model. 87 00:04:23,833 --> 00:04:25,333 You know, when I was a kid, when I was a little girl, 88 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:28,832 I would see those, like, you know, Barbie commercials. 89 00:04:28,833 --> 00:04:30,125 We're in style. 90 00:04:30,292 --> 00:04:32,957 And we're really into Perfume Pretty Barbie. 91 00:04:32,958 --> 00:04:34,542 And I didn't want the Barbies. 92 00:04:34,667 --> 00:04:37,499 I wanted to be the little girl in the Barbie commercial. 93 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:40,083 I started modeling and acting, uh... 94 00:04:40,333 --> 00:04:42,291 gosh, I guess when I was 16 years old. 95 00:04:42,292 --> 00:04:45,167 I'm from Rhode Island, so I started off in pageants. 96 00:04:45,292 --> 00:04:47,208 I was Miss Rhode Island Teen USA. 97 00:04:47,333 --> 00:04:49,917 And then I became Miss USA in 1995. 98 00:04:50,042 --> 00:04:53,333 Um, but I always had a fascination with "Playboy." 99 00:04:53,458 --> 00:04:57,166 There was this always, like, glamorous, cool thing about it, 100 00:04:57,167 --> 00:04:58,999 and I always wanted to do it. 101 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,041 I became Miss December 2001. 102 00:05:02,042 --> 00:05:04,792 After doing "Playboy," this is the thing about Playboy-- 103 00:05:04,917 --> 00:05:07,999 you know, you get $20,000 to be a centerfold, 104 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,832 and "Playboy" owns everything-- 105 00:05:10,833 --> 00:05:12,041 all of our pictures. 106 00:05:12,042 --> 00:05:13,667 I don't even own my pictures, 107 00:05:13,833 --> 00:05:14,999 and I have no ownership of the title 108 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,082 of being Miss December 2001. 109 00:05:17,083 --> 00:05:19,875 So, I can't make any money off of that. 110 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,875 Hey, guys, Shayna Moakler here. 111 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,708 And today I'm gonna be taking 112 00:05:23,833 --> 00:05:27,457 the Tahoe Blue Quarantini Challenge. 113 00:05:27,458 --> 00:05:30,583 So, OnlyFans-- I didn't even know what it was. 114 00:05:30,708 --> 00:05:32,583 And someone was like, why don't you have an OnlyFans? 115 00:05:32,708 --> 00:05:33,624 I'm like, what is that? 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I don't do any, um, pornography. 123 00:05:51,167 --> 00:05:53,666 Um, I don't, uh, play with toys 124 00:05:53,667 --> 00:05:55,707 or do masturbation or anything like that. 125 00:05:55,708 --> 00:05:57,625 I keep it very "Playboy"-esque. 126 00:05:57,750 --> 00:06:00,666 I did fall on the bathroom one time. 127 00:06:00,667 --> 00:06:03,582 I was doing, um, a little video, 128 00:06:03,583 --> 00:06:06,625 and I was using, like, baby oil and stuff. 129 00:06:06,750 --> 00:06:08,375 And I went to, like, grab it, 130 00:06:08,542 --> 00:06:10,125 and there's oil, like, all over the floor. 131 00:06:10,250 --> 00:06:11,833 And I fell, and I was like... 132 00:06:12,042 --> 00:06:16,416 I was just on the floor, butt naked and covered in oil. 133 00:06:16,417 --> 00:06:18,958 And I just remember being like, what am I doing? 134 00:06:19,083 --> 00:06:20,832 Like, what am I doing. 135 00:06:20,833 --> 00:06:22,207 Like, I don't know, it was just, like, you had to be there-- 136 00:06:22,208 --> 00:06:23,375 one of those kind of moments. 137 00:06:23,583 --> 00:06:26,916 But yeah, you know, it's a hazard of the job. 138 00:06:26,917 --> 00:06:30,291 People can just play to their fanbase, 139 00:06:30,292 --> 00:06:32,042 and they can just be in charge of all of it. 140 00:06:32,167 --> 00:06:34,999 They can be in charge of what they do, when they do it, 141 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,832 how they do it, and what they charge for it. 142 00:06:37,833 --> 00:06:40,416 So, I've had an OnlyFans for a very long time, 143 00:06:40,417 --> 00:06:43,125 but for me, it was kind of a no-brainer. 144 00:06:43,333 --> 00:06:44,958 Um, you know, back when I started, 145 00:06:45,208 --> 00:06:47,292 didn't really know what I was getting myself into at the time, 146 00:06:47,417 --> 00:06:49,249 but I was young, dumb, and full of [bleep], 147 00:06:49,250 --> 00:06:50,792 and so, you know, I gave it a try. 148 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,500 My OnlyFan content is me, just solo stuff. 149 00:06:55,625 --> 00:06:59,291 I do a lot of things that are driven around my big booty, 150 00:06:59,292 --> 00:07:03,166 but also because I am only doing solo things, 151 00:07:03,167 --> 00:07:05,917 it's only me that I have to rely on. 152 00:07:06,042 --> 00:07:08,333 So, I don't really have those mishaps of someone 153 00:07:08,458 --> 00:07:11,458 not showing up or something kind of that nature. 154 00:07:11,667 --> 00:07:14,791 So, I mean, I'm pretty lucky. I mean, I'm a great employee. 155 00:07:14,792 --> 00:07:16,583 Number one employee of the month. 156 00:07:16,708 --> 00:07:18,124 When I got in the industry, 157 00:07:18,125 --> 00:07:21,707 for a girl to have her own solo model site, it took a lot. 158 00:07:21,708 --> 00:07:23,000 There was a great barrier of entry. 159 00:07:23,250 --> 00:07:25,000 You had to have a hosting company that cost you money, 160 00:07:25,250 --> 00:07:26,625 you had to have a designer, you had to have a photographer, 161 00:07:26,792 --> 00:07:30,542 you had to have all these people do what you can't do. 162 00:07:30,667 --> 00:07:33,624 With OnlyFans, they've made such an easy interface 163 00:07:33,625 --> 00:07:37,624 that it's just like uploading anything to Facebook. 164 00:07:37,625 --> 00:07:40,333 You create your platform by yourself. 165 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:41,500 You don't really need much other than an ID 166 00:07:41,625 --> 00:07:43,791 and to verify that it's you. 167 00:07:43,792 --> 00:07:47,457 So, it was more content creator-friendly. 168 00:07:47,458 --> 00:07:49,083 So, different people have their OnlyFans 169 00:07:49,208 --> 00:07:50,999 set up in different ways. 170 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,708 Sometimes people charge for a subscription, 171 00:07:53,833 --> 00:07:57,083 and then they just-- whatever content they post, 172 00:07:57,208 --> 00:07:59,125 whatever they put in their feed, that's what you get 173 00:07:59,250 --> 00:08:01,875 for, you know, the amount of time that you're subscribed for. 174 00:08:02,042 --> 00:08:05,500 Some people charge maybe a very low price 175 00:08:05,667 --> 00:08:08,374 so that you have access to their menu. 176 00:08:08,375 --> 00:08:10,833 Some people don't even charge for their subscriptions at all, 177 00:08:10,958 --> 00:08:12,999 and they just charge for exclusive content. 178 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,624 They're--basically, they're, like, locked. 179 00:08:14,625 --> 00:08:16,374 Like, you have to unlock the post by paying for it. 180 00:08:16,375 --> 00:08:21,125 And then there are other options which are, like, more personal, 181 00:08:21,250 --> 00:08:22,457 if you can do, like, requests 182 00:08:22,458 --> 00:08:25,041 for something a little bit more bespoke. 183 00:08:25,042 --> 00:08:29,207 Hey guys. So, um, I wanted to jump on here live 184 00:08:29,208 --> 00:08:30,375 and talk to everybody. 185 00:08:30,500 --> 00:08:32,916 I wrote everyone's questions down. 186 00:08:32,917 --> 00:08:34,333 There is sort of an art to it, 187 00:08:34,458 --> 00:08:36,707 um, and it is a different kind of a platform 188 00:08:36,708 --> 00:08:38,916 unlike any of the other platforms. 189 00:08:38,917 --> 00:08:41,333 Are you gonna have free-- a free subscription 190 00:08:41,542 --> 00:08:42,917 and then charge people for photos? 191 00:08:43,042 --> 00:08:45,042 Are you going to charge for a subscription? 192 00:08:45,167 --> 00:08:47,666 Um, are you gonna chat? Are you gonna do lives? 193 00:08:47,667 --> 00:08:49,583 Um, how are you gonna interact with your fans? 194 00:08:49,708 --> 00:08:51,666 It's a full-time job. 195 00:08:51,667 --> 00:08:54,499 I don't think people realize that it is a full-time job, 196 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:56,083 and you have to constantly be making content, 197 00:08:56,208 --> 00:08:58,167 especially if you have subscriptions that people 198 00:08:58,292 --> 00:08:59,542 are paying monthly for. 199 00:08:59,708 --> 00:09:02,332 You have to have, you know, a certain amount of-- 200 00:09:02,333 --> 00:09:03,458 of product that they're paying for. 201 00:09:03,583 --> 00:09:06,374 You're gonna lose that subscriber. 202 00:09:06,375 --> 00:09:07,749 I mean, some celebrities, like I said, 203 00:09:07,750 --> 00:09:09,292 have teams of people doing it. 204 00:09:13,958 --> 00:09:16,042 Yeah, my decision. 205 00:09:17,458 --> 00:09:21,666 I love OnlyFans because, yes, to me, 206 00:09:21,667 --> 00:09:24,500 it is one step forward of controlling 207 00:09:24,625 --> 00:09:27,999 and giving consent to your own life, 208 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,499 your own shares, your own whatever you wanna do. 209 00:09:31,500 --> 00:09:34,166 For two years, I've had it. And I want to say, 210 00:09:34,167 --> 00:09:38,166 I see why men and women go towards sex as a relief. 211 00:09:38,167 --> 00:09:41,000 When you're, like, not getting your fix from real life, 212 00:09:41,167 --> 00:09:43,833 but I can go to an OnlyFans and I can have love, 213 00:09:44,125 --> 00:09:46,417 kindness, um, nudity, 214 00:09:46,542 --> 00:09:48,332 that's how it feels. It feels [bleep] good. 215 00:09:48,333 --> 00:09:53,291 I don't remember how I heard that Farrah had an OnlyFans. 216 00:09:53,292 --> 00:09:55,500 I feel like I just knew she did. 217 00:09:55,625 --> 00:09:59,458 And then I started noticing that she was getting 218 00:09:59,708 --> 00:10:01,583 into tabloids again because of her OnlyFans, 219 00:10:01,708 --> 00:10:03,875 because of the menus that she was offering, 220 00:10:04,042 --> 00:10:08,542 which was, you know, peeing, pooping, 221 00:10:08,708 --> 00:10:10,083 you know, different things. It was--but she does-- 222 00:10:10,208 --> 00:10:11,832 she only does solo stuff. 223 00:10:11,833 --> 00:10:13,875 Like, she's not with, uh, 224 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,749 another partner or anything like that. 225 00:10:16,750 --> 00:10:19,750 We see every day that people fear their nudity getting leaked 226 00:10:19,875 --> 00:10:23,541 and losing, like, rights or control over themselves, 227 00:10:23,542 --> 00:10:25,500 and I'm just not gonna fear that anymore. 228 00:10:25,667 --> 00:10:28,499 No one makes my choice for my career changes. 229 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:31,166 No one tells me what to do with me. 230 00:10:31,167 --> 00:10:33,875 And I'm very just happy I stand in that. 231 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,333 We all have certain kinks or things that we like. 232 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:39,957 And when people start to look at it bad 233 00:10:39,958 --> 00:10:41,832 and put shame on things like that 234 00:10:41,833 --> 00:10:43,667 because they wouldn't choose to do it, well, you know, 235 00:10:43,833 --> 00:10:45,583 I always say, to each his own. 236 00:10:45,708 --> 00:10:47,042 What works for you may not work for me, 237 00:10:47,167 --> 00:10:49,083 but that doesn't mean that you're a bad person. 238 00:10:49,208 --> 00:10:51,583 It doesn't mean that you are any different than me. 239 00:10:51,708 --> 00:10:53,582 It's just you like different stuff. 240 00:10:53,583 --> 00:10:55,750 At the end of the day, 241 00:10:55,875 --> 00:11:01,708 I'm not gonna be... a hot mess and broke all at once, so... 242 00:11:01,833 --> 00:11:03,792 I turned it into a business. 243 00:11:04,042 --> 00:11:06,041 There are those people that kinda-- 244 00:11:06,042 --> 00:11:07,375 not that they necessarily wanna cross over, 245 00:11:07,542 --> 00:11:10,207 but they're kinda, you know, like, treading lightly, 246 00:11:10,208 --> 00:11:11,625 but you can do both. 247 00:11:11,833 --> 00:11:13,166 You can be taken seriously, and that it's not just like, 248 00:11:13,167 --> 00:11:15,999 "Oh, this is a fluke. This is what I wanna do." 249 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,292 I think because of that, they're able to and they don't 250 00:11:18,417 --> 00:11:20,207 have to be like, "Oh, I'm officially crossing over. 251 00:11:20,208 --> 00:11:21,874 I'm officially doing this." 252 00:11:21,875 --> 00:11:24,624 Yeah. I do think more famous people are gonna do an OnlyFans. 253 00:11:24,625 --> 00:11:26,166 There are people 254 00:11:26,167 --> 00:11:28,083 that you wouldn't believe it that are on OnlyFans. 255 00:11:28,208 --> 00:11:29,707 Bella Thorne came out and did something 256 00:11:29,708 --> 00:11:31,542 on OnlyFans. 257 00:11:31,708 --> 00:11:33,332 I think Denise Richards is on OnlyFans. 258 00:11:33,333 --> 00:11:35,624 Tommy Lee, Carmen Electra, 259 00:11:35,625 --> 00:11:37,707 Aubrey O'Day, Cardi B. 260 00:11:37,708 --> 00:11:39,166 We'll clap for 'em. 261 00:11:39,167 --> 00:11:41,208 Wait, wait, wait. Put that all right here, baby. 262 00:11:44,583 --> 00:11:47,000 I can't believe you can make that much money. 263 00:11:47,125 --> 00:11:48,792 I mean, who wouldn't do that? 264 00:11:49,042 --> 00:11:53,207 She says she's making up to $150,000 a month. 265 00:11:53,208 --> 00:11:55,917 If you had any inclination to do this, 266 00:11:56,042 --> 00:11:59,666 if you felt like you might profit 267 00:11:59,667 --> 00:12:03,208 and had no real qualms with doing so, why not? 268 00:12:03,333 --> 00:12:06,417 Hi. I'm Dan Benson. 269 00:12:06,667 --> 00:12:09,167 I'm a former Disney Channel celebrity 270 00:12:09,292 --> 00:12:12,708 turned adult entertainer. 271 00:12:12,833 --> 00:12:15,166 That's a thing. 272 00:12:15,167 --> 00:12:17,542 I'm Maitland Ward. 273 00:12:17,667 --> 00:12:21,833 You might recognize me from shows like "Boy Meets World." 274 00:12:21,958 --> 00:12:26,499 Or you might recognize me from my newer creative endeavors. 275 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:31,374 I'm the only Disney girl to ever give you everything. 276 00:12:37,125 --> 00:12:39,750 Hi. I'm Dan Benson. I'm a former Disney Channel celebrity 277 00:12:39,875 --> 00:12:44,000 turned adult entertainer. 278 00:12:44,167 --> 00:12:45,667 That's a thing. 279 00:12:45,792 --> 00:12:47,958 I played the character Zeke Beakerman 280 00:12:48,083 --> 00:12:49,916 on a Disney Channel show called 281 00:12:49,917 --> 00:12:52,666 "Wizards of Waverly Place" many years ago, 282 00:12:52,667 --> 00:12:55,666 who was a dorky recurring character. 283 00:12:55,667 --> 00:12:58,000 Hang on! It's about to get bumpy. 284 00:12:58,125 --> 00:13:00,333 Ahh-ahh-ahh-ahh! 285 00:13:00,458 --> 00:13:03,791 Yes! 286 00:13:03,792 --> 00:13:05,707 I heard an ad on the radio one day that was like... 287 00:13:05,708 --> 00:13:07,499 "Do you wanna be a model? 288 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:08,916 Do you wanna be an actor?" 289 00:13:08,917 --> 00:13:11,375 And of course, little Dan was like, 290 00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:13,999 "Yes. Yes, I do." 291 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,957 So, that started this crazy journey of auditioning for parts 292 00:13:17,958 --> 00:13:23,833 and quickly, uh, booking small, little parts on Disney. 293 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,208 So, I quickly learned the Disney style of acting. 294 00:13:27,333 --> 00:13:30,417 When I was auditioning for the character of Zeke, 295 00:13:30,667 --> 00:13:32,791 on the script, it read, 296 00:13:32,792 --> 00:13:35,083 "Justin, it's really scary. Don't go in there." 297 00:13:35,208 --> 00:13:38,832 And I knew there is no limits to how big 298 00:13:38,833 --> 00:13:41,208 you can make these characters on Disney. 299 00:13:41,375 --> 00:13:43,291 So, I went in there and, I, like, did 300 00:13:43,292 --> 00:13:45,042 my full Jim Carrey style, like... 301 00:13:45,250 --> 00:13:47,583 "It's--Justin, it's really crazy in there! 302 00:13:47,708 --> 00:13:49,167 Don't go in there!" 303 00:13:49,292 --> 00:13:50,666 Like, the absolute, like, 304 00:13:50,667 --> 00:13:53,457 most ridiculous take on-- on that role. 305 00:13:53,458 --> 00:13:56,333 And the casting directors, of course, were like, "Whoa." 306 00:13:56,458 --> 00:13:58,708 I just had a one-line part. 307 00:13:58,833 --> 00:14:01,208 "Justin, that movie is way too scary." 308 00:14:02,792 --> 00:14:05,999 There's some things in this life that you can never unsee. 309 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,791 I knew that this was like 310 00:14:07,792 --> 00:14:10,167 a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. 311 00:14:10,292 --> 00:14:13,375 It was the most exciting time of my life. 312 00:14:13,583 --> 00:14:14,833 You know, if I went to Disneyland, 313 00:14:14,958 --> 00:14:16,666 I was in trouble for sure. 314 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,417 It's funny. When you go to Disneyland... 315 00:14:21,542 --> 00:14:22,875 ...they'll be like this. 316 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,583 It's that look like, "Oh, my God, I know her." 317 00:14:24,708 --> 00:14:25,750 Because I think they feel 318 00:14:25,875 --> 00:14:29,375 like I was in their home every Friday night 319 00:14:29,500 --> 00:14:32,166 or in reruns that they watched on Disney Channel. 320 00:14:36,125 --> 00:14:38,416 Honestly, I was such a huge fan of "Boy Meets World" growing up. 321 00:14:38,417 --> 00:14:40,333 It was on Disney Channel, which is how I would watch it. 322 00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:44,208 So, Maitland played Rachel. 323 00:14:44,333 --> 00:14:46,124 So, she came in the college years, 324 00:14:46,125 --> 00:14:48,792 kind of like the fun, sexy girl, 325 00:14:48,917 --> 00:14:51,042 always, like, you know, smiley and perky 326 00:14:51,167 --> 00:14:52,999 and always fun to be around. 327 00:14:54,625 --> 00:14:56,458 You're looked at as a celebrity. "Wow. You're on Boy Meets World. 328 00:14:56,583 --> 00:14:59,957 You had the perfect life. You had the perfect set. 329 00:14:59,958 --> 00:15:02,208 Oh, my God, you had everything going for you." 330 00:15:04,875 --> 00:15:06,625 One aspect I don't think people realize is 331 00:15:06,750 --> 00:15:10,875 just because you're famous does not mean you're wealthy. 332 00:15:11,042 --> 00:15:12,291 They don't understand that 333 00:15:12,292 --> 00:15:15,667 I was working, like, part-time jobs also. 334 00:15:15,792 --> 00:15:18,166 Yeah. For--For the first two seasons 335 00:15:18,167 --> 00:15:21,250 of "Wizards of Waverly Place," I worked at Starbucks. 336 00:15:21,375 --> 00:15:22,708 That was another thing I struggled with. 337 00:15:22,958 --> 00:15:24,417 Like, I had never had money, ever. 338 00:15:24,542 --> 00:15:26,875 Like, at the end of every year, I'd always-- 339 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,291 Like, I'd get through. I had a place to live, 340 00:15:31,292 --> 00:15:32,833 I had a great, supportive family, 341 00:15:32,958 --> 00:15:34,999 I had friends, I was comfortable, 342 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,124 lived a comfortable life and did exciting things, 343 00:15:37,125 --> 00:15:39,832 uh, but at the end of the year, I never had money. 344 00:15:39,833 --> 00:15:42,000 It's weird because you have to live up 345 00:15:42,125 --> 00:15:44,832 to a certain standard, but then at the same time, 346 00:15:44,833 --> 00:15:47,874 you can't be yourself all the way. 347 00:15:47,875 --> 00:15:50,207 Because even when you're in public, 348 00:15:50,208 --> 00:15:51,541 you have people, like, look at you 349 00:15:51,542 --> 00:15:56,500 and you have to, like, be on all the time. 350 00:15:56,625 --> 00:15:57,875 When you're in your early 20s, 351 00:15:58,083 --> 00:15:59,499 you're still finding out who you are. 352 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:02,416 And so to have that-- that kind of fame 353 00:16:02,417 --> 00:16:04,250 layered on top of that, 354 00:16:04,375 --> 00:16:07,832 I also noticed that it gave you a false sense of self-worth, 355 00:16:07,833 --> 00:16:10,500 and you would tie your self-worth 356 00:16:10,625 --> 00:16:13,167 to how popular you were. 357 00:16:13,292 --> 00:16:16,207 I did feel very successful and that I was doing well, 358 00:16:16,208 --> 00:16:19,000 but I always thought I was gonna lose it at any minute. 359 00:16:19,125 --> 00:16:21,708 And that's really a thing that celebrity and actors feel 360 00:16:21,875 --> 00:16:24,791 all the time, that they're-- it can go away in a second. 361 00:16:24,792 --> 00:16:26,791 People like fame. They feel good when they're famous. 362 00:16:26,792 --> 00:16:27,833 That's why they seek fame. 363 00:16:27,958 --> 00:16:29,666 It's something they desire, they like, 364 00:16:29,667 --> 00:16:30,833 and when they lose, they miss. 365 00:16:30,958 --> 00:16:32,375 And that has been my biggest sense, 366 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:35,707 is that the biggest stress for most people that are famous 367 00:16:35,708 --> 00:16:37,667 is the possibility of losing it. 368 00:16:37,792 --> 00:16:39,457 That is stressful. 369 00:16:39,458 --> 00:16:41,375 I'd always been a bit shy and private, 370 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:45,500 but at the same time, those early 20s, 371 00:16:45,625 --> 00:16:48,042 I was... going to Hollywood parties. 372 00:16:48,167 --> 00:16:50,500 I was on set filming 373 00:16:50,708 --> 00:16:53,166 one of the most popular Disney shows of all time. 374 00:16:53,167 --> 00:16:56,166 I was meeting some of the most famous people. 375 00:16:58,208 --> 00:17:00,333 I got to hang out and get to know Zac Efron. 376 00:17:00,542 --> 00:17:02,542 Vanessa Hudgens was a good friend of mine, 377 00:17:02,667 --> 00:17:04,208 Uh, Ashley Tisdale. 378 00:17:04,333 --> 00:17:07,917 There was also just, like, insanely fun, exciting ways 379 00:17:08,042 --> 00:17:12,042 to discover my sexuality in that--in that world, 380 00:17:12,208 --> 00:17:13,791 things like ecstasy for the first time, 381 00:17:13,792 --> 00:17:16,832 or, you know, strip poker nights, 382 00:17:16,833 --> 00:17:21,207 and it--it was-- it was incredible. 383 00:17:21,208 --> 00:17:25,000 I remember, wow, it was pretty emotional when it ended, 384 00:17:25,125 --> 00:17:26,708 like the final episode. 385 00:17:29,292 --> 00:17:32,332 I remember Michael Jacobs telling us before it ended, 386 00:17:32,333 --> 00:17:35,208 saying, "You're not gonna have anything like this ever again." 387 00:17:35,333 --> 00:17:37,166 And he meant--he meant that 388 00:17:37,167 --> 00:17:39,208 in a very true way because he's right. 389 00:17:39,333 --> 00:17:40,791 It was never gonna be like that again. 390 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,417 After the show, 391 00:17:44,542 --> 00:17:47,957 and after the kind of popularity faded away, 392 00:17:47,958 --> 00:17:49,874 the fame faded away, 393 00:17:49,875 --> 00:17:52,625 I really felt lost and depressed 394 00:17:52,750 --> 00:17:56,624 because I had wrapped up my sense of self-worth 395 00:17:56,625 --> 00:18:01,042 in that fame, that recognition, that character. 396 00:18:01,167 --> 00:18:03,917 So, it was really hard. 397 00:18:04,167 --> 00:18:07,083 It was really hard to-- to come back from that. 398 00:18:07,208 --> 00:18:09,000 It was actually, like, sort of like a-- 399 00:18:09,125 --> 00:18:11,208 just a freight train hit you because it was over. 400 00:18:11,333 --> 00:18:12,917 Like, all of that was over, 401 00:18:13,042 --> 00:18:14,707 and you like, what do I do now in life? 402 00:18:14,708 --> 00:18:18,291 I wanted attention a lot. 403 00:18:18,292 --> 00:18:21,207 I was a little naughty. I wasn't over-the-top naughty. 404 00:18:21,208 --> 00:18:23,917 I started to get more and more messages. 405 00:18:24,042 --> 00:18:25,666 I really am a sexual performer. 406 00:18:25,667 --> 00:18:27,208 Like, I really am. 407 00:18:27,333 --> 00:18:29,832 And then, of course, I realized, like, okay, well... 408 00:18:32,167 --> 00:18:33,625 Now I know what I need to do. 409 00:18:38,042 --> 00:18:39,499 After "Wizards of Waverly Place," 410 00:18:39,500 --> 00:18:41,417 I was really working at trying to change 411 00:18:41,542 --> 00:18:44,666 from this supporting character archetype, this best friend, 412 00:18:44,667 --> 00:18:47,291 I really wanted a chance to be the leading man. 413 00:18:47,292 --> 00:18:50,166 I was trying to, like, you know, 414 00:18:50,167 --> 00:18:52,416 find my way in the world. 415 00:18:52,417 --> 00:18:55,042 It was really hard, and it got harder as the years go on 416 00:18:55,208 --> 00:18:57,000 to say, "Oh, you're an actress. What have you done?" 417 00:18:57,125 --> 00:18:59,083 And I say, "Boy Meets World." 418 00:18:59,208 --> 00:19:01,457 You, like, have to start over from scratch. 419 00:19:01,458 --> 00:19:03,750 And they don't want you to start over from scratch. 420 00:19:03,875 --> 00:19:05,957 So many casting directors and producers and networks 421 00:19:05,958 --> 00:19:09,166 would say, "No, she did great, but no, we've seen her on that. 422 00:19:09,167 --> 00:19:11,499 They--People know her from that. We don't want her." 423 00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:12,999 And they won't let you get outside that box 424 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,708 that they put you in, but it's like a coffin. 425 00:19:14,833 --> 00:19:17,083 It really--in the long run, it is. At first, it's like, 426 00:19:17,208 --> 00:19:19,582 oh, it's a nice little present. No, it's a coffin. 427 00:19:19,583 --> 00:19:22,542 We all just want love and attention, 428 00:19:22,667 --> 00:19:25,500 And especially me. I wanted attention a lot. 429 00:19:27,792 --> 00:19:31,207 I started doing things that I like to do, like cosplay. 430 00:19:31,208 --> 00:19:33,374 I do a sexy cosplay. I never thought I could make 431 00:19:33,375 --> 00:19:36,207 a career--side career off of it. 432 00:19:36,208 --> 00:19:37,250 I remember her saying that 433 00:19:37,542 --> 00:19:40,167 she really liked to do cosplay on the side. 434 00:19:40,292 --> 00:19:42,124 That was something that she was really interested in, 435 00:19:42,125 --> 00:19:43,332 where she dressed up as different characters, 436 00:19:43,333 --> 00:19:45,291 and she kind of dipped her toe and was like, 437 00:19:45,292 --> 00:19:47,082 "Let me see if this, you know, maybe could work 438 00:19:47,083 --> 00:19:49,041 or if people are interested in this." 439 00:19:49,042 --> 00:19:52,041 Look right here for a sec. 440 00:19:52,042 --> 00:19:53,875 I remember the first time I knew 441 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,541 I was famous for something other than "Boy Meets World" 442 00:19:56,542 --> 00:19:57,708 was when was at Comic-Con, and the guy goes, 443 00:19:57,875 --> 00:19:59,874 "I love you so much," and comes up to me, 444 00:19:59,875 --> 00:20:01,667 and I was like, "Oh, thanks." I thought he was like, 445 00:20:01,792 --> 00:20:03,624 "Oh, 'Boy Meets World' cosplay. I like it." 446 00:20:03,625 --> 00:20:05,332 He was like, "I love you on Snapchat. 447 00:20:05,333 --> 00:20:06,875 I watch it all the time," and he barely knew 448 00:20:07,083 --> 00:20:09,250 what "Boy Meets World," like, was. 449 00:20:09,375 --> 00:20:11,541 So, I had an Instagram page and... 450 00:20:12,708 --> 00:20:15,000 I dove so deeply into bodybuilding 451 00:20:15,125 --> 00:20:17,291 and connected with it so well. 452 00:20:17,292 --> 00:20:21,249 I started to get a lot of self-confidence 453 00:20:21,250 --> 00:20:24,042 as the shape of my body completely transformed. 454 00:20:24,167 --> 00:20:27,166 I lost a lot of fat in my face. 455 00:20:27,167 --> 00:20:30,666 I put on 20 pounds of muscle. It's very exciting. 456 00:20:30,667 --> 00:20:33,832 And so I was, uh, really excited to share that 457 00:20:33,833 --> 00:20:35,957 with my Instagram followers. 458 00:20:35,958 --> 00:20:39,333 And as I started to do that, 459 00:20:39,458 --> 00:20:41,791 I started to get more and more messages from people 460 00:20:41,792 --> 00:20:44,999 that were like, "Oh, my God, you're so hot. 461 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,833 You're sexy. You're, like, beautiful." 462 00:20:47,042 --> 00:20:48,457 You know, a lot of these being 463 00:20:48,458 --> 00:20:50,541 what I thought were, like, beautiful women 464 00:20:50,542 --> 00:20:52,958 were doing this as well, and so I'm constantly like, 465 00:20:53,208 --> 00:20:56,167 "Oh, you're cute too," you know, and, uh... 466 00:20:56,292 --> 00:20:59,417 but bless my heart, I just, like, didn't realize 467 00:20:59,542 --> 00:21:01,249 there's an entire industry 468 00:21:01,250 --> 00:21:03,332 built around a thing called baiting, 469 00:21:03,333 --> 00:21:07,291 which is where people make fake accounts. 470 00:21:07,292 --> 00:21:11,208 They create these alternate fake personalities online 471 00:21:11,333 --> 00:21:14,082 and then reach out to celebrities, 472 00:21:14,083 --> 00:21:18,249 and then for sometimes months on end, 473 00:21:18,250 --> 00:21:21,291 craft this narrative and get people comfortable 474 00:21:21,292 --> 00:21:25,083 with sharing nude pictures of themselves. 475 00:21:25,333 --> 00:21:27,417 The internet is full of these backwaters. 476 00:21:27,542 --> 00:21:31,291 It's a variety of targets, a variety of people. 477 00:21:31,292 --> 00:21:35,832 I fell into that trap probably more than once 478 00:21:35,833 --> 00:21:40,333 and, um, honestly made kind of an emotional connection 479 00:21:40,458 --> 00:21:43,500 with some of these people that was--that was authentic. 480 00:21:43,708 --> 00:21:46,000 I was sending nude photos to these people 481 00:21:46,167 --> 00:21:47,708 I thought I was in a relationship with 482 00:21:47,875 --> 00:21:53,292 and eventually found out that those images 483 00:21:53,417 --> 00:21:56,250 were being sold on websites. 484 00:21:56,375 --> 00:22:00,124 There are whole sites devoted to these photos, 485 00:22:00,125 --> 00:22:01,749 typically hosted, uh, 486 00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:03,666 in the Middle East or other places, um, 487 00:22:03,667 --> 00:22:05,542 outside of the U.S. jurisdiction, 488 00:22:05,667 --> 00:22:07,541 and the victims can do nothing. 489 00:22:07,542 --> 00:22:09,291 You go on Reddit, for example. 490 00:22:09,292 --> 00:22:10,666 There--These photographs are everywhere. 491 00:22:10,667 --> 00:22:12,499 There's groups where these guys, 492 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:14,667 they have just chat groups on there about how to do it, 493 00:22:14,792 --> 00:22:17,250 where it's found. "I saw this, I saw that." 494 00:22:17,375 --> 00:22:22,374 I was really hurt and really embarrassed. 495 00:22:22,375 --> 00:22:23,333 I think that was the biggest thing. 496 00:22:23,458 --> 00:22:24,957 I didn't tell anyone for a long time 497 00:22:24,958 --> 00:22:28,499 'cause I felt so naive and-- and just like... 498 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:31,167 you know, I truly was just, like, looking for love 499 00:22:31,292 --> 00:22:35,875 and a connection and, um, also was just a horny young kid. 500 00:22:36,042 --> 00:22:37,874 There was just fear that, like, it's always there, 501 00:22:37,875 --> 00:22:39,833 and it could always be found out at any time. 502 00:22:39,958 --> 00:22:42,042 Anyone could find out. There could be an article on TMZ 503 00:22:42,167 --> 00:22:44,333 that comes out tomorrow that's like, 504 00:22:44,458 --> 00:22:46,875 "Former Disney star's naked all over the internet." 505 00:22:50,958 --> 00:22:53,291 Hi, guys. Good morning. 506 00:22:53,292 --> 00:22:54,542 I started posting other pictures, 507 00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:56,499 and I got more followers, and it was starting to grow, 508 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:58,167 and my social media was growing. 509 00:22:58,292 --> 00:22:59,624 But then I started doing things like 510 00:22:59,625 --> 00:23:00,499 I was, you know, I'm a daring girl. 511 00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:02,042 I'm a little daring. 512 00:23:02,167 --> 00:23:05,333 I followed her on Twitter, and I remember I would see her 513 00:23:05,458 --> 00:23:07,124 kind of going the sexier route. 514 00:23:07,125 --> 00:23:09,375 I would see her post kind of these, like, you know, 515 00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:12,249 pictures of her maybe topless or something like that. 516 00:23:12,250 --> 00:23:14,457 And I remember being like, oh, wow, you know, 517 00:23:14,458 --> 00:23:15,417 this is a career change. 518 00:23:15,542 --> 00:23:18,708 Happy 4th of July. Yay! 519 00:23:18,833 --> 00:23:20,500 And then they kept trying to take my pictures and stuff down 520 00:23:20,667 --> 00:23:22,457 because I was a little naughty. 521 00:23:22,458 --> 00:23:25,875 I wasn't over-the-top naughty most of the time, 522 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,874 but I got really, like, flustered and, like, angry 523 00:23:27,875 --> 00:23:30,042 that my pictures are getting taken down, 524 00:23:30,167 --> 00:23:31,624 even if it was just like 525 00:23:31,625 --> 00:23:33,833 a shadow of a nipple or something. 526 00:23:34,083 --> 00:23:36,333 But I did get my pictures removed quite a bit. 527 00:23:38,542 --> 00:23:42,000 You know, I was working a regular job at an agency, 528 00:23:42,167 --> 00:23:45,250 and my CEO at the time, like, found some Reddit thread 529 00:23:45,375 --> 00:23:48,124 that had all sorts of my nudes. 530 00:23:48,125 --> 00:23:50,874 He brought it to me, like, "What is this?" Like, do-- 531 00:23:50,875 --> 00:23:52,292 You know, because I think he assumed that, like, 532 00:23:52,417 --> 00:23:54,707 I did that for a living or something. 533 00:23:54,708 --> 00:23:56,500 So, I almost lost my job because of it. 534 00:23:56,625 --> 00:23:58,083 It was pretty traumatic. 535 00:23:58,208 --> 00:23:59,582 If you're victimized like this, 536 00:23:59,583 --> 00:24:01,375 that image is gonna be there forever. 537 00:24:01,583 --> 00:24:04,916 And the reality is, is that everybody involved in that 538 00:24:04,917 --> 00:24:07,832 is making money except for the victims. 539 00:24:07,833 --> 00:24:09,750 Someone else was making money from this, 540 00:24:09,875 --> 00:24:12,583 and I was struggling to survive. 541 00:24:12,708 --> 00:24:15,250 I couldn't afford the medicated dog food 542 00:24:15,375 --> 00:24:19,500 that my dog needed as he's getting older. 543 00:24:19,625 --> 00:24:21,416 And I, of course, like, did everything I could 544 00:24:21,417 --> 00:24:24,250 to, like, take down these, take down these. 545 00:24:24,375 --> 00:24:26,875 But you knock one down, and three more pop up. 546 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,416 So, it was like, I quickly learned that, like, 547 00:24:28,417 --> 00:24:31,041 there's no-- there's no going back. 548 00:24:31,042 --> 00:24:33,124 You know what? I can't stop you 549 00:24:33,125 --> 00:24:35,417 from putting this stuff out there, but, man, 550 00:24:35,667 --> 00:24:37,708 I can sure take your power away. 551 00:24:44,417 --> 00:24:46,666 I had so many people, like, following me because they saw, 552 00:24:46,667 --> 00:24:48,499 "Ooh, you do this cosplay. I knew you from back then," 553 00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:50,666 and this was back in 2018. 554 00:24:50,667 --> 00:24:55,042 Um, so I was like, talking to my fans about it, like, on Twitter. 555 00:24:55,208 --> 00:24:57,417 They were like, "Why don't you sell content?" 556 00:24:57,542 --> 00:24:59,167 And I didn't even know what content was. 557 00:24:59,292 --> 00:25:01,457 I said, "Well, I--like what?" 558 00:25:01,458 --> 00:25:02,666 And they go, "You can take, like, 559 00:25:02,667 --> 00:25:04,249 you know, nudie pictures and, like, 560 00:25:04,250 --> 00:25:07,542 do a little racier photos with like, a girl and stuff. 561 00:25:07,667 --> 00:25:13,041 And I was like, well, do I wanna do something sexual on here? 562 00:25:13,042 --> 00:25:16,500 From the nudes leaking online and from Instagram, 563 00:25:16,667 --> 00:25:20,332 a lot of people were commenting more and more on my photos, 564 00:25:20,333 --> 00:25:22,333 especially the ones where I was shirtless, 565 00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:25,917 and obviously, really letting me know 566 00:25:26,042 --> 00:25:27,833 that's the kind of content they're looking for. 567 00:25:27,958 --> 00:25:29,874 That's the kind of content they really love. 568 00:25:29,875 --> 00:25:33,666 I was, like, tiptoeing into it, and, um, oh, you know what? 569 00:25:33,667 --> 00:25:35,500 I'm just gonna explore and see what I wanna do. 570 00:25:35,625 --> 00:25:37,582 It brought a lot of unwanted attention at first 571 00:25:37,583 --> 00:25:39,582 to the point where I almost had to delete 572 00:25:39,583 --> 00:25:41,917 all my social media because I didn't want that. 573 00:25:42,042 --> 00:25:44,500 I wasn't ready for that, and I felt like 574 00:25:44,625 --> 00:25:46,416 it reminded me of all the stuff 575 00:25:46,417 --> 00:25:48,000 that I'd been taken advantage of. 576 00:25:48,125 --> 00:25:50,291 So, I would say, oh, let me do some solo stuff. 577 00:25:50,292 --> 00:25:52,042 Let me try it out and see how it feels, and I liked it. 578 00:25:52,167 --> 00:25:54,250 And I realized I really am a sexual performer. 579 00:25:54,375 --> 00:25:57,332 So, I was really fighting against it for the longest time. 580 00:25:57,333 --> 00:25:59,250 You have to explore your sexuality and-- 581 00:25:59,375 --> 00:26:01,624 and see who you are as a person. 582 00:26:01,625 --> 00:26:03,250 When I was younger, I did not do that. 583 00:26:03,458 --> 00:26:05,292 I was--covered everything up. 584 00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:06,832 I repressed so much about myself, 585 00:26:06,833 --> 00:26:10,167 but when I finally was exploring, I felt so liberated. 586 00:26:10,292 --> 00:26:13,916 And then eventually, I kind of made the decision 587 00:26:13,917 --> 00:26:15,332 to do OnlyFans. 588 00:26:15,333 --> 00:26:18,457 Hey, what's up, TikTok? Some of you might recognize me 589 00:26:18,458 --> 00:26:22,542 as Zeke from Disney Channel's "Wizards of Waverly Place." 590 00:26:22,708 --> 00:26:26,499 Uh, I now currently work in adult entertainment. 591 00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:28,375 So I started doing live streaming 592 00:26:28,542 --> 00:26:31,125 and doing like a nude live stream show. 593 00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:33,957 But I was so nervous that I had to hide the chat 594 00:26:33,958 --> 00:26:37,750 because I, like, I don't know, I couldn't perform when I, like, 595 00:26:37,875 --> 00:26:42,583 saw people commenting as things were happening. 596 00:26:42,708 --> 00:26:44,666 And then, like, as I did more of them, 597 00:26:44,667 --> 00:26:45,875 I gradually was like, okay, 598 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,082 I can, like, look for a little while 599 00:26:48,083 --> 00:26:49,791 and, like, see what people are saying 600 00:26:49,792 --> 00:26:51,624 and then they're, like, 601 00:26:51,625 --> 00:26:53,749 telling me things to do and other things. 602 00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:55,666 And I was like, okay, no, I'm the boss here. 603 00:26:55,667 --> 00:26:57,917 I'm still the director here. Like, I'm in charge. 604 00:26:58,042 --> 00:27:02,333 It definitely opened my eyes to like, oh, no, I'm doing this, 605 00:27:02,458 --> 00:27:04,917 and I--and it's like, no, it's live. It's interactive. 606 00:27:05,083 --> 00:27:07,333 There's people watching. This is like-- 607 00:27:07,458 --> 00:27:08,833 That was when I actually got a chance 608 00:27:08,958 --> 00:27:10,207 to be vulnerable and be myself. 609 00:27:10,208 --> 00:27:12,708 And that's where I'm merging the worlds of Dan 610 00:27:12,875 --> 00:27:15,999 and this, like, Dan Benson, 611 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,833 this--this naked, shirtless guy on OnlyFans. 612 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,292 You know, I'm really thankful that the OnlyFans market, 613 00:27:28,417 --> 00:27:31,707 like, appeared because it provided me with an opportunity 614 00:27:31,708 --> 00:27:33,750 to go, you know what? 615 00:27:33,875 --> 00:27:36,083 I can't stop you from putting this stuff out there. 616 00:27:36,208 --> 00:27:38,582 But man, I can sure take your power away 617 00:27:38,583 --> 00:27:40,707 and take this power back for myself. 618 00:27:40,708 --> 00:27:42,624 I used my OnlyFans, like, the live shows because 619 00:27:42,625 --> 00:27:44,042 they have a live feed on there and stuff. 620 00:27:44,208 --> 00:27:46,582 And I have interactions 621 00:27:46,583 --> 00:27:49,499 with my quarantine man, that I called him. 622 00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:52,542 He's a headless [bleep] guy. 623 00:27:52,667 --> 00:27:54,332 He's got a big [bleep] and no head. 624 00:27:54,333 --> 00:27:56,124 He can't talk back. 625 00:27:56,125 --> 00:27:59,666 Uh, mainly it's just solo kind of content. 626 00:27:59,667 --> 00:28:02,999 And now I am straight. I'm not gay, 627 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,041 and I create content specifically for gay men 628 00:28:06,042 --> 00:28:07,791 that I think they would enjoy. 629 00:28:07,792 --> 00:28:10,750 I do worry about some people who think and don't agree 630 00:28:10,875 --> 00:28:13,749 with someone who is straight doing that. 631 00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:15,167 At the end of the day, 632 00:28:15,333 --> 00:28:17,708 all I can do is just be really open and honest. 633 00:28:17,875 --> 00:28:20,166 I think it's stuff that they would enjoy, 634 00:28:20,167 --> 00:28:22,791 and it's also stuff that I enjoy doing. 635 00:28:22,792 --> 00:28:24,457 I do a lot of custom videos. 636 00:28:24,458 --> 00:28:28,333 It's basically like cameo, except I will masturbate for you 637 00:28:28,458 --> 00:28:29,417 and say your name... 638 00:28:29,542 --> 00:28:32,332 or do whatever scenario within reason. 639 00:28:32,333 --> 00:28:35,792 So, I'm still kind of experimenting and pushing 640 00:28:35,917 --> 00:28:37,374 the boundaries of what I'm comfortable with 641 00:28:37,375 --> 00:28:41,167 and I learn, okay, I did that-- that kind of content. 642 00:28:41,292 --> 00:28:43,375 I wasn't really super comfortable with that. 643 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:45,749 I don't regret crossing those lines 644 00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:48,082 because it's like, oh, I'm finding out 645 00:28:48,083 --> 00:28:49,832 what works for me 'cause it's new. 646 00:28:49,833 --> 00:28:52,832 I liked people watching me be free, 647 00:28:52,833 --> 00:28:54,917 and I just couldn't believe they were gonna pay money for it. 648 00:28:55,042 --> 00:28:57,832 Like, a lot of money for it. And then I was like, oh, girls. 649 00:28:57,833 --> 00:29:01,791 'Cause I have a very high interest in girls as well. 650 00:29:01,792 --> 00:29:04,208 So, um, I did that, and that went over great. 651 00:29:04,375 --> 00:29:06,000 It was so fun. And I was like, oh, my God. 652 00:29:06,208 --> 00:29:07,750 We did slumber parties, and we did, like, 653 00:29:07,875 --> 00:29:10,749 all sorts of little naughty sex and everything. 654 00:29:10,750 --> 00:29:13,916 It was just like that step that I felt like I... 655 00:29:13,917 --> 00:29:16,583 if I didn't take it, it was like an itch you can't scratch. 656 00:29:20,125 --> 00:29:22,917 Everybody from my mainstream career 657 00:29:23,042 --> 00:29:26,083 to my porn career told me never to tell the press. 658 00:29:26,208 --> 00:29:28,833 Don't talk to them. They will humiliate you. 659 00:29:28,958 --> 00:29:30,166 They will tear you down. 660 00:29:30,167 --> 00:29:32,874 They will make you feel, like, just degraded. 661 00:29:32,875 --> 00:29:35,832 I actually had a publicist say-- 662 00:29:35,833 --> 00:29:38,667 he texted me when he saw something in the "Daily Mail." 663 00:29:38,792 --> 00:29:40,666 It was me in a costume, like some, 664 00:29:40,667 --> 00:29:42,832 I don't know, Comic-Con costume. 665 00:29:42,833 --> 00:29:45,291 He's like, "What are you trying to be, a porn star now?" 666 00:29:45,292 --> 00:29:47,666 I didn't think about it at the time, but I'm like, 667 00:29:47,667 --> 00:29:50,374 why was that an insult? Like... 668 00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:52,667 Maybe I am. Maybe that's what I wanna do. 669 00:29:52,875 --> 00:29:56,374 I think it's sad that so much of, like, 670 00:29:56,375 --> 00:30:00,208 celebrity sex tapes and everything are shameful. 671 00:30:00,333 --> 00:30:04,082 Like, women can only gain popularity and success 672 00:30:04,083 --> 00:30:06,791 with these tapes through shame. 673 00:30:06,792 --> 00:30:08,333 We can go through tons of news stories 674 00:30:08,458 --> 00:30:10,416 where people are definitely-- 675 00:30:10,417 --> 00:30:12,957 their story's getting told when they don't want it to be. 676 00:30:12,958 --> 00:30:15,542 Porn is pretty threatening to the status quo, 677 00:30:15,708 --> 00:30:20,167 and I think it has all kinds of repercussions in our society. 678 00:30:21,667 --> 00:30:23,833 I was working as a reporter/writer 679 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,542 at, um, "In Touch" and "Life & Style" for digital, 680 00:30:26,708 --> 00:30:28,624 and my editor at the time was awesome. 681 00:30:28,625 --> 00:30:30,374 And I remember she said to me, 682 00:30:30,375 --> 00:30:33,374 "Hey, we got a message kind of from Maitland. 683 00:30:33,375 --> 00:30:36,166 She's really interested in promoting her foray 684 00:30:36,167 --> 00:30:37,999 into adult film entertainment. 685 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,332 Would you be interested in talking to her?" 686 00:30:39,333 --> 00:30:42,167 And I said to myself, okay, this is a no-brainer. 687 00:30:42,292 --> 00:30:44,500 This is my favorite show. Obviously, I'm gonna take it. 688 00:30:44,667 --> 00:30:48,332 And so we spoke on the phone for probably an hour or so, 689 00:30:48,333 --> 00:30:51,167 telling me all about why she decided to make this move. 690 00:30:51,292 --> 00:30:53,791 And it was just really like an open and honest conversation 691 00:30:53,792 --> 00:30:55,999 about everything she'd been kind of doing 692 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,292 and everything she wants to do going forward. 693 00:30:59,458 --> 00:31:00,542 There's something more here than just saying, 694 00:31:00,667 --> 00:31:02,832 oh, Maitland is going into porn. 695 00:31:02,833 --> 00:31:07,999 Her story and her headline were so positive, 696 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,542 and it said, like, "Maitland's authentic self," 697 00:31:10,667 --> 00:31:13,167 and she was congratulating me for this and saying, 698 00:31:13,292 --> 00:31:15,500 "This is amazing. It's this bold journey she's taking." 699 00:31:18,208 --> 00:31:22,124 Nobody came against me. Nobody was, like, so negative. 700 00:31:22,125 --> 00:31:24,042 They were all just like, "What? Can you believe this?" 701 00:31:24,167 --> 00:31:27,082 And it ended up I did not get negative press. 702 00:31:27,083 --> 00:31:28,999 I did not get negative press. 703 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,917 I think Maitland's really lucky that she had the support 704 00:31:32,042 --> 00:31:34,541 that she had between her husband and her parents. 705 00:31:34,542 --> 00:31:36,208 Not everyone agrees with, 706 00:31:36,375 --> 00:31:38,499 you know, the stuff that people do. 707 00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:40,917 And I think that Maitland is 708 00:31:41,042 --> 00:31:42,957 so beyond lucky to have that support. 709 00:31:42,958 --> 00:31:45,583 I thought for many years if I showed my truth, 710 00:31:45,708 --> 00:31:47,000 like, people would reject me. 711 00:31:47,250 --> 00:31:50,833 I was overwhelmed and blown away by all of the support and love 712 00:31:50,958 --> 00:31:52,457 that I got from people. 713 00:31:52,458 --> 00:31:55,125 Live in your truth. You-- it might surprise you. 714 00:31:57,125 --> 00:31:59,542 OnlyFans has really changed the adult industry in general. 715 00:31:59,667 --> 00:32:00,917 You're able to brand yourself, 716 00:32:01,042 --> 00:32:02,999 and you're able to do what you wanna do. 717 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,333 OnlyFans had some good-- maybe some good sides to it, 718 00:32:05,458 --> 00:32:07,166 and then some bad sides. 719 00:32:07,167 --> 00:32:10,624 We have so much more access to celebrities' lives 720 00:32:10,625 --> 00:32:12,124 through our phones, 721 00:32:12,125 --> 00:32:14,457 through different types of platforms and media. 722 00:32:18,458 --> 00:32:20,916 It can get dangerous in this field. 723 00:32:20,917 --> 00:32:23,957 OnlyFans should be, like, working a bit harder 724 00:32:23,958 --> 00:32:26,500 to protect their creators. 725 00:32:26,667 --> 00:32:28,707 My life was saved that day, 726 00:32:28,708 --> 00:32:32,583 and don't know what would have happened if he wasn't there. 727 00:32:41,125 --> 00:32:43,375 With OnlyFans, I found that people, 728 00:32:43,542 --> 00:32:47,082 more so than anything else, they just want a connection. 729 00:32:47,083 --> 00:32:48,916 They wanna feel seen, 730 00:32:48,917 --> 00:32:51,666 and they want that authentic sense of, 731 00:32:51,667 --> 00:32:53,666 I'm connecting with this person, 732 00:32:53,667 --> 00:32:56,583 and then we're sharing a sexual experience together. 733 00:32:56,708 --> 00:32:58,707 I'd, like, just hang out with, like, people in there because 734 00:32:58,708 --> 00:33:01,542 it was like a way of social connection and everything, too. 735 00:33:01,667 --> 00:33:05,167 But people would be asking for custom videos of me, like, 736 00:33:05,333 --> 00:33:08,375 pretending that I'm at a bar meeting them or on a date. 737 00:33:08,542 --> 00:33:11,582 A lot of people just want, like, a cameo, 738 00:33:11,583 --> 00:33:13,332 like a naked cameo, basically. 739 00:33:13,333 --> 00:33:14,541 Hi. Thanks for being my fan. 740 00:33:14,542 --> 00:33:16,708 And I even give "Boy Meets World" requests. 741 00:33:16,875 --> 00:33:18,499 And I'll play my character, kind of. 742 00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:19,958 So, yeah, like, one time, they wanted me getting 743 00:33:20,125 --> 00:33:22,208 purple lingerie like I did on the show, 744 00:33:22,375 --> 00:33:24,499 and I was like, you know, it's fun. 745 00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:26,833 All right. I feel like I've been talking to you guys for-- 746 00:33:26,958 --> 00:33:29,166 well, it's been almost, like, 30 minutes. Um... 747 00:33:29,167 --> 00:33:31,124 Well, there's just times where I just ask, you know, 748 00:33:31,125 --> 00:33:32,750 the fanbase, like, "What do you wanna see? 749 00:33:32,917 --> 00:33:34,166 Do you want to see live videos? 750 00:33:34,167 --> 00:33:36,208 Do you want to see more bikini, more lingerie?" 751 00:33:36,375 --> 00:33:38,083 Kind of things like that. 752 00:33:38,292 --> 00:33:41,000 You know, men usually aren't, um, 753 00:33:41,125 --> 00:33:44,708 the most, uh, difficult of these to understand. 754 00:33:44,833 --> 00:33:46,958 The wet t-shirts and feet pics 755 00:33:47,083 --> 00:33:49,541 are, you know, really that hard to come by. 756 00:33:49,542 --> 00:33:54,292 I was not that... scared of people seeing me naked, 757 00:33:54,417 --> 00:33:56,208 but I was scared of the repercussions 758 00:33:56,333 --> 00:33:58,083 that would have on my life. 759 00:33:58,208 --> 00:34:01,750 The--I think the only downside to OnlyFans is that 760 00:34:01,958 --> 00:34:03,499 they feel like they're my best friend now. 761 00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:06,249 OnlyFans had some good-- maybe some good sides to it 762 00:34:06,250 --> 00:34:07,667 and then some bad sides. 763 00:34:14,958 --> 00:34:18,333 Allowing people into your home and to see your daily life, 764 00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:21,291 they feel like they're in your home. 765 00:34:21,292 --> 00:34:23,041 Social media, I think, is a great tool, 766 00:34:23,042 --> 00:34:24,291 but at the same time, I do think 767 00:34:24,292 --> 00:34:25,667 it can be a little bit dangerous. 768 00:34:25,875 --> 00:34:27,000 Whether you're on OnlyFans, Instagram, whatever it is, 769 00:34:27,208 --> 00:34:28,667 people are crazy. 770 00:34:28,792 --> 00:34:30,958 You tend to feel like you're a fly on the wall, 771 00:34:31,083 --> 00:34:32,667 which I think just adds to it. 772 00:34:32,792 --> 00:34:36,333 It's like you get to get this fun peek into the bedroom 773 00:34:36,458 --> 00:34:37,957 to see them with their clothes off 774 00:34:37,958 --> 00:34:40,000 in the most intimate moment of their life. 775 00:34:40,125 --> 00:34:42,582 What better way to feel like they belong to us? 776 00:34:42,583 --> 00:34:45,791 You're seeking this content out, and it is done discreetly. 777 00:34:45,792 --> 00:34:48,833 You know, you don't have to be in a public conversation 778 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,624 with your favorite person on OnlyFans. 779 00:34:50,625 --> 00:34:53,833 This is a private interaction for you and them. 780 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,166 That's what I never understood about social media in general. 781 00:34:56,167 --> 00:34:58,166 Like, I've never, like, been like, "I'm gonna go 782 00:34:58,167 --> 00:35:00,957 to their Instagram page and let them have it," 783 00:35:00,958 --> 00:35:04,542 but, you know, sadly, there are a lot of people that--that do. 784 00:35:04,708 --> 00:35:07,082 I don't get it. It's like, if you don't like somebody 785 00:35:07,083 --> 00:35:09,667 or you don't like something, scroll on by. 786 00:35:09,833 --> 00:35:11,832 Don't look at it. You know, block it. You don't have to-- 787 00:35:11,833 --> 00:35:13,499 You don't have to look at it. 788 00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:15,666 You don't have to see my breasts. 789 00:35:15,667 --> 00:35:19,000 You can scroll on by. You don't have to. You know? 790 00:35:19,125 --> 00:35:20,417 It's, like, ridiculous. 791 00:35:20,542 --> 00:35:23,000 The power of media really has 792 00:35:23,125 --> 00:35:25,333 some people messed up in the head. 793 00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:27,250 When I was on "The Price Is Right"... 794 00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:30,124 It's a new truck! 795 00:35:30,125 --> 00:35:35,082 ...somebody honed in and would watch every day 796 00:35:35,083 --> 00:35:38,041 and think the eyebrow raise, the smile 797 00:35:38,042 --> 00:35:40,874 was specifically to him. 798 00:35:40,875 --> 00:35:45,167 So, he starts to fantasize that, "You're my wife." 799 00:35:45,375 --> 00:35:50,666 This guy took a bus from Cleveland to Los Angeles 800 00:35:50,667 --> 00:35:52,916 and was coming to see me. 801 00:35:52,917 --> 00:35:54,791 Now, he also thought I was a vampire 802 00:35:54,792 --> 00:35:57,166 and probably wanted to put a stake through my heart. 803 00:35:57,167 --> 00:35:59,917 I don't know. Luckily, we had the week off, 804 00:36:00,042 --> 00:36:01,333 and he was at my job. 805 00:36:01,625 --> 00:36:04,375 Another time, this guy-- he watched everything I did. 806 00:36:04,542 --> 00:36:08,250 He listened to every podcast. He became--began to fantasize, 807 00:36:08,375 --> 00:36:12,583 and in his mind, I was Cleopatra, 808 00:36:12,708 --> 00:36:15,708 and he was King Tut, and we were supposed to be together. 809 00:36:15,875 --> 00:36:19,750 Come to find out, the stalker, who didn't even have a car, 810 00:36:19,917 --> 00:36:21,666 got 30 miles from where he lived 811 00:36:21,667 --> 00:36:24,667 up to Stevenson Ranch, where I had my house, 812 00:36:24,792 --> 00:36:26,916 took the--removed the screens off my window 813 00:36:26,917 --> 00:36:29,124 and was watching us through the kitchen window. 814 00:36:29,125 --> 00:36:30,500 We didn't even notice him, 815 00:36:30,625 --> 00:36:32,666 and he had threatened to rape and kill me. 816 00:36:32,667 --> 00:36:36,749 So, I say that my life was saved that day 817 00:36:36,750 --> 00:36:38,832 because I let a guy friend come over that was really big. 818 00:36:38,833 --> 00:36:40,832 He looked, like, intimidating, 819 00:36:40,833 --> 00:36:45,374 and I don't know what would have happened if he wasn't there. 820 00:36:47,208 --> 00:36:49,042 We are social beings, 821 00:36:49,208 --> 00:36:51,750 and sex and aggression are closely related. 822 00:36:51,875 --> 00:36:55,250 I believe people want to put themselves into these videos. 823 00:36:55,375 --> 00:36:58,583 At home, if you're not getting the gritty, salacious sexuality 824 00:36:58,708 --> 00:37:00,791 that you want, you can scratch that itch 825 00:37:00,792 --> 00:37:02,333 by going on OnlyFans. 826 00:37:02,458 --> 00:37:05,917 Our sexual preference start to become very specialized. 827 00:37:06,042 --> 00:37:07,791 Fact that people who can't make a living 828 00:37:07,792 --> 00:37:11,542 being teachers or plumbers or what have you 829 00:37:11,667 --> 00:37:13,624 can make seven, eight figures 830 00:37:13,625 --> 00:37:15,666 just by controlling their own brand-- 831 00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:17,916 that is the 21st century in action. 832 00:37:17,917 --> 00:37:19,749 OnlyFans has the most traffic, 833 00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:22,124 and so that's why no one's gonna leave it. 834 00:37:22,125 --> 00:37:23,999 Celebrities have sex, too. We're all human. 835 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,417 Everyone has sex. 836 00:37:25,625 --> 00:37:29,583 OnlyFans is a natural extension of what has been going on, 837 00:37:29,792 --> 00:37:34,333 and it's brilliant, and it works. 838 00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:36,082 But you have to be comfortable 839 00:37:36,083 --> 00:37:40,042 with the fact that I can still pull up a video of you now 840 00:37:40,208 --> 00:37:41,999 and watch you have sex. 841 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,249 Uh, OnlyFans--that has grown exponentially over the years, 842 00:37:45,250 --> 00:37:47,207 and that I think it's created more problems, 843 00:37:47,208 --> 00:37:48,957 but at the same time, 844 00:37:48,958 --> 00:37:53,166 it also gives us more-- more challenges to look at. 845 00:37:53,167 --> 00:37:55,500 But I do think, okay, what's next? 846 00:38:02,792 --> 00:38:04,750 I don't think there's much negativity to OnlyFans. 847 00:38:04,875 --> 00:38:07,333 I think it's more mainstream now than it ever has been. 848 00:38:07,458 --> 00:38:09,042 So, I feel like now it's definitely more like, 849 00:38:09,167 --> 00:38:10,957 "Oh, OnlyFans. Yeah, of course." 850 00:38:12,792 --> 00:38:14,457 With the celebrities coming into OnlyFans, 851 00:38:14,458 --> 00:38:16,374 it does legitimize it, and that's good. 852 00:38:16,375 --> 00:38:18,458 And it does become, like, cool. I think it was always cool, 853 00:38:18,667 --> 00:38:20,083 and everybody always saw it. 854 00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:23,250 They just--now they can say, "Oh, so and so is doing it, 855 00:38:23,375 --> 00:38:25,750 so now it's, like, valid or relevant." 856 00:38:25,917 --> 00:38:28,666 I've never been on OnlyFans, 857 00:38:28,667 --> 00:38:30,542 but what I do like about it is that 858 00:38:30,667 --> 00:38:32,791 you have people who are in control. 859 00:38:32,792 --> 00:38:34,333 OnlyFans provided me 860 00:38:34,458 --> 00:38:37,666 with an opportunity to take this power back for myself, 861 00:38:37,667 --> 00:38:40,375 and that was a really liberating experience. 862 00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:41,832 There's much greater latitude, 863 00:38:41,833 --> 00:38:43,875 much greater acceptance right now than ever before. 864 00:38:44,042 --> 00:38:46,167 It democratizes the space 865 00:38:46,292 --> 00:38:50,499 by giving anybody with a camera the ability to film themselves 866 00:38:50,500 --> 00:38:53,875 in whatever way they choose and charge money for it. 867 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,958 Today, women have so much more of a place of power in porn. 868 00:38:58,083 --> 00:39:02,750 Everybody has their sexual side, and I think it's just exciting 869 00:39:02,875 --> 00:39:06,500 that celebrities are helping to lead the charge 870 00:39:06,625 --> 00:39:10,499 in terms of, like, sharing the idea that it's okay 871 00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:13,999 to be comfortable in expressing it in a more public way. 872 00:39:15,792 --> 00:39:18,667 I think that's gonna be the future 873 00:39:18,792 --> 00:39:20,750 of how you see a lot of content these days. 874 00:39:20,875 --> 00:39:25,417 I would imagine that from OnlyFans comes more OnlyFans, 875 00:39:25,542 --> 00:39:28,499 the same way that from MySpace came Facebook and Twitter, 876 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:31,875 that there will be new, bigger, better platforms 877 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,667 for people to monetize that sort of content. 878 00:39:33,792 --> 00:39:38,167 If it's somebody that's very well known 879 00:39:38,292 --> 00:39:39,457 and has the potential to make a lot of money, 880 00:39:39,458 --> 00:39:41,083 they're just gonna do it for themself. 881 00:39:44,125 --> 00:39:47,083 No, I didn't! I love that. 882 00:39:47,208 --> 00:39:50,000 I mean, you don't even need to go on Tommy Lee's OnlyFans. 883 00:39:50,125 --> 00:39:52,833 He posts his [bleep] and [bleep] on Twitter all the time. 884 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,457 Should we play a little game 885 00:39:54,458 --> 00:39:56,166 of I'll show you mine if you show me yours? 886 00:39:56,167 --> 00:39:57,874 Clearly, Tommy Lee doesn't need the money. 887 00:39:57,875 --> 00:40:00,082 I think he's just doing it because it's fun. 888 00:40:02,833 --> 00:40:04,667 It's not only about sex content. 889 00:40:04,792 --> 00:40:06,791 It's about any content at all you want. 890 00:40:06,792 --> 00:40:09,333 So, I think in this world, an aggregator like that 891 00:40:09,458 --> 00:40:11,332 kind of really works, 892 00:40:11,333 --> 00:40:13,583 especially the way everybody is a celebrity. 893 00:40:13,708 --> 00:40:17,124 It doesn't surprise me that Tommy Lee is on OnlyFans, 894 00:40:17,125 --> 00:40:21,291 because, for one, I mean, the way that he was treated 895 00:40:21,292 --> 00:40:23,249 after the sex tape, I mean, he was lauded, 896 00:40:23,250 --> 00:40:25,332 he was celebrated, and then he, I'm sure, 897 00:40:25,333 --> 00:40:27,542 came to believe that what he had to offer 898 00:40:27,708 --> 00:40:31,916 sort of physically and sort of, um, visually, was fantastic. 899 00:40:31,917 --> 00:40:35,499 And so it's like a well-worn area for him. 900 00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:38,542 He's kind of a pioneer, right? So, like, why not? 901 00:40:38,708 --> 00:40:41,167 Tommy Lee comes full circle with his OnlyFans account. 902 00:40:47,042 --> 00:40:49,832 Well, who doesn't wanna watch a good sex tape? 903 00:40:49,833 --> 00:40:51,457 Particularly when it's a celebrity. 904 00:40:51,458 --> 00:40:54,166 And everyone is interested in sex. 905 00:40:54,167 --> 00:40:57,500 Humans are consumed by sex. 906 00:40:57,667 --> 00:41:00,583 Everything that's invented, 907 00:41:00,708 --> 00:41:03,332 the first thing they use it for is porn. 908 00:41:10,333 --> 00:41:13,332 Every platform, some sex will be sold. 909 00:41:13,333 --> 00:41:16,499 It's encouraged a whole generation now 910 00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:18,999 to produce sex tapes. - It's all my fault! 911 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,667 There's definitely been an evolution from the early days 912 00:41:21,792 --> 00:41:25,000 of the celebrity sex tape and someone's images being released 913 00:41:25,208 --> 00:41:28,833 without their consent to now with OnlyFans where 914 00:41:29,042 --> 00:41:31,666 influential people are choosing to curate 915 00:41:31,667 --> 00:41:34,750 these images of themselves and to sell them to people. 916 00:41:34,958 --> 00:41:37,875 It used to be like a scarlet letter. 917 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,166 That speaks to how culturally, sex tapes change. 918 00:41:41,167 --> 00:41:43,375 The thing about celebrity sex tapes, I think, 919 00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:45,124 is that they become 920 00:41:45,125 --> 00:41:48,667 these giant talking points for the culture at large. 921 00:41:48,792 --> 00:41:54,041 It is where we go to work out our dreams, our fantasies, 922 00:41:54,042 --> 00:41:56,250 our desires, our fears, our anxieties. 923 00:41:56,375 --> 00:41:57,708 And that's kind of what makes 924 00:41:57,875 --> 00:42:00,083 celebrity sex tapes so interesting. 925 00:42:00,208 --> 00:42:02,958 It is a way of mainstreaming the conversation about sex. 926 00:42:03,083 --> 00:42:04,958 And celebrities are kind of these 927 00:42:05,083 --> 00:42:07,417 larger-than-life figures that we can project 928 00:42:07,583 --> 00:42:10,124 all of that stuff onto and kind of work out 929 00:42:10,125 --> 00:42:12,667 how we feel about it through their images. 930 00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:16,582 When you look at celebrity sex tapes 931 00:42:16,583 --> 00:42:19,541 all the way from the 1980s all the way up until today, 932 00:42:19,542 --> 00:42:21,667 you have some of the most iconic celebrities involved, 933 00:42:21,792 --> 00:42:24,999 some of the biggest moments that have pushed pop culture forward 934 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,875 and pulled it back at other times. 935 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,166 Celebrities shape culture, 936 00:42:29,167 --> 00:42:30,417 but they also reflect it. 937 00:42:30,542 --> 00:42:33,667 I think it's a big ball of cause and effect. 938 00:42:33,833 --> 00:42:36,041 We are at the logical next step 939 00:42:36,042 --> 00:42:38,667 of where celebrity sex and technology intersect. 940 00:42:38,792 --> 00:42:39,750 Who knows where tech will lead us 941 00:42:39,875 --> 00:42:42,000 when it comes to sexual content? 942 00:42:42,125 --> 00:42:46,417 AR, VR, AI--all of it is gonna change everything, 943 00:42:46,542 --> 00:42:48,708 including what it means to be a celebrity. 944 00:42:48,833 --> 00:42:51,542 We have to think about the way those two things intersect. 945 00:42:51,667 --> 00:42:53,667 These societal rules of, like, who, you know, 946 00:42:53,792 --> 00:42:56,999 who really makes them and how outdated do they become? 947 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,375 Do whatever you really want. Just be honest. 948 00:42:59,542 --> 00:43:00,917 If you wanna get [bleep], get [bleep]. 77659

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