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You don't look like
most people in Congress.
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Right. We've got to change
the face of politics.
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She was the first openly
bisexual individual elected
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to the House of Representatives
in California,
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and it was a big deal.
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Katie! Katie! Katie!
Katie! Katie! Katie!
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I'm very excited to get there
and start working.
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This was
going to be a big change
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in terms of the powers that be
in Congress.
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But how do you prepare
for your husband to betray you?
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Hill had a relationship
with one of her staffers.
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She had found
their dating profile--
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looking for another woman.
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Hill says
that all of this is pain
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being inflicted from a divorce.
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I thought that my ex was
just playing on his phone.
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And suddenly
they were everywhere.
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Was this famous case
of revenge porn.
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I'm leaving because
of a misogynistic culture.
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The level of harm
people can do on the internet
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is so much greater than
anybody could have imagined.
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There was not
even a day of break
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of the relentless attacks
on her.
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What you have now is
every dirty bastard in the world
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trying to steal that image,
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put it on the internet
because they make money.
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A major hacking scandal
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has rocked
the entertainment industry
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after nude photos of celebrities
were posted online.
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Jennifer Lawrence,
after "The Fappening,"
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she told "Vanity Fair"
it wasn't a scandal.
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It was a sex crime.
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I think that quote
shifted culture.
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People call it free speech
when, really, it's abuse.
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Now we're just carrying around
a computer in our pockets.
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This is just
the revolution of GPS
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and geolocation apps
and all that stuff.
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It just basically made
the entire world accessible
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and, you know,
people's sex lives.
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Most people,
especially most young people,
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have a camera
in their pocket at all times.
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So, people use
this new technology
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to do one of the things
that people like to do,
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which is for sexy purposes,
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they take
naked pictures of themselves
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and they send them
to one another.
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Sometimes they use
their cameras
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to film themselves having sex,
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and they send that
to one another.
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The nude photo
starts to become
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a much more common technology
than it was before.
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We've all taken pictures
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that we don't want
people to see,
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but we all
have an expectation,
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if that's on our phone,
and it's private
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or it's printed out
in our house,
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that nobody's gonna
come into our house
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and take our family photo
off the wall.
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John Manley. I'm an attorney.
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I represent survivors of
sexual abuse, and I advised
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celebrities who were involved
in the 2014 hack.
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A major hacking scandal
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has rocked
the entertainment industry
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after nude photos of celebrities
were posted online.
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Jennifer Lawrence,
Kate Upton, Victoria Justice
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were among a slew
of female celebrities.
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Where did
these photos originate?
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Celebgate--It was probably one
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of the biggest internet
stories of the year.
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So, the way that this sort of
came through, right, was
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somebody posted
to this online message board.
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This was in a particular
kind of forum for it,
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saying that they had
celebrity nudes
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and that they would post them
in exchange for Bitcoin.
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The images went up.
People started spreading them.
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These photos were being
posted links to them at least
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to Reddit and Twitter
pretty much immediately, right?
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So, I probably would have
heard about it
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within 24 hours
of this happening.
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Because it was viral,
because it involved
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celebrities, theft, nude images,
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because it involved
platform policy.
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There is no legal protection
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against news sources
publishing those photos
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once the thief uploads them
or distributes them,
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and that strikes me as insane.
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The online storm
hit Fever Pitch
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when it was given a name--
"The Fappening."
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The term "The Fappening"
was being used primarily
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on Reddit to describe this,
and it's a gross term
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that focuses
on the reaction that certain men
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are going to have
to viewing these photos.
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The term that I used was
"Celebgate,"
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which was
sort of a general term
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in the "gate" format
of this is some sort of...
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scandalous thing
that has happened.
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I don't think
it's a perfect term because
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it's not a scandal.
It's a theft.
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But it was better
than "The Fappening."
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"The Fappening"
was a big news story,
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and the photos
were mostly like stills
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they took of themselves
in the mirror,
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but you couldn't avoid them.
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I wasn't even trying
to see them.
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If you were on social media,
they just appeared in your feed.
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They were upsetting in a way
that other things hadn't
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because they clearly looked like
you shouldn't be seeing them.
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Even with the greatest examples
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of things that we know
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to be stolen footage,
whose participants,
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at least one of them, says,
"I don't want you to watch this.
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I don't want you to see this,"
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if it's out there,
it's out there.
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It was these two camps.
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There was the correct messaging,
which was like,
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"Do not look for these photos.
If you come across them,
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make sure that you report
that tweet."
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"Girls" star
Lena Dunham tweeting,
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"The way in which you share
your body must be a choice.
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Support these women and do not
look at these pictures."
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And then there were obviously
the people who were going out
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and seeking them and not
thinking about that at all.
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But that other side, the side
that was talking about consent,
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is far, far, far more vocal than
it was in the early aughts.
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And so you get a lot more
of that, which is great.
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Watson tweeted,
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"Even worse than seeing women's
privacy violated on social media
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is reading
the accompanying comments
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that show
such a lack of empathy."
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Gervais's comment is sort of
pretty classic victim blaming.
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It's the abstinence-only method.
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You know, the "Me Too" movement
didn't come out of nowhere.
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There already was
a growing wind that there was
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people predating on
each other without consenting,
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and so consent was
in the winds as an issue.
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It is very jarring
to watch something
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go through the motions
of viral culture
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when the thing that is being
spread is stolen photos
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that are being shared
non-consensually
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in order to perpetuate
some sort of misogynistic joy
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from seeing
and distributing these.
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Explicit photos of Lawrence
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went viral within minutes
of being posted.
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Her representatives
responded by saying,
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"This is a flagrant violation
of privacy.
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The authorities
have been contacted
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and will prosecute anyone
who posts the stolen photos."
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The pictures were so candid,
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you could
feel the vulnerability.
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Jennifer Lawrence,
after "The Fappening,"
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she told "Vanity Fair,"
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it wasn't a scandal.
it was a sex crime.
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I think that quote
shifted culture.
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I think that celebrities
are able to bring awareness
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to certain things that
people on the ground aren't.
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Imagine your genitals being
exposed for everybody to see.
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It's body shaming, fat shaming.
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I don't think most people
want that to happen.
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In most states,
it's not a serious crime,
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and it should be.
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In my view, it--it's no
different than a sexual assault.
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It is an assault
by a different means,
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and the law should reflect
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the damage it does,
and the law doesn't.
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You know? Then it becomes
the responsibility of the viewer
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as to whether or not
you wanna partake in that
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and watching that,
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then it's your own
personal responsibility.
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I think that's the shift.
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You know, you have a bit
of personal responsibility,
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and I think that is
clearer today than it was then.
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A lot more people
were realizing
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what was going on in
certain spaces online
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for the first time.
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Like, maybe this is
the first time
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that a lot of people
heard about 4chan,
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even though they'd been around
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and had been doing stuff
for a while.
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There are a lot of really vile,
really cruel things said
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on social media,
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but when you get to places
like Reddit
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and to 4chan message boards,
really kind of anything goes.
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You can say whatever
you want about people.
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You can be nasty,
you can be hateful,
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you can be misogynistic,
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and you'll be protected
by other people
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who are invested in your right
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to express yourself
in such a way.
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At the time that this happened,
I was a breaking news reporter.
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I started really
digging into this when
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we started to learn more
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about how this happened
and who did it.
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Hello. My name's Dale Beran.
I'm a writer and a journalist,
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uh, and I'm here to guide you
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into the worst places
on the Internet.
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4chan began
in October of 2003,
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started by a 15-year-old boy,
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and it started as a way for him
and his teenage friends
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to share jokes and talk about
anime and things like that,
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up until about 2007,
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when the trolling collectives
became a little notorious,
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and then, uh, people
noticed internet memes,
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and they wanted to
monetize them immediately.
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And so at first, sort of memes
were associated with 4chan,
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and they're like,
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"Oh, 4chan has given us this
wonderful thing called memes."
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And that was
at the start of social media.
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So, there was sort of this
moment where they're like,
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"Oh, maybe 4chan will be
like Facebook, right?
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So 4chan was always
about powerless young men
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and nerdy men exerting power
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in any way they could,
usually in virtual spaces.
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So, if they could hack someone,
if they could humiliate someone,
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that was always
celebrated in the culture.
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By 2014, 4chan had become
a place for toxic young men.
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And so a lot of them--surprise--
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didn't have girlfriends,
didn't have romantic partners,
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and many of the early
incel communities were on 4chan.
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"Incels," which is short
for "involuntary celibate,"
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are men who hold
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very disturbing ideas
about women and relationships.
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They harbor
strong anti-woman biases,
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and some of them have even
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committed acts of violence
against women
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in the name
of this incel identity.
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They tend to be into, like,
the same things culturally,
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and they have these gathering
places, like on the dark web,
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where they can further
all of their bad ideas.
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Tonight, Apple
revealing it was not a breach
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in any of their systems,
including iCloud,
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but instead
a very targeted attack
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on certain celebrity accounts,
including
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their usernames, passwords,
and security questions.
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My understanding is that
they used a rather simple hack,
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what's known as spear phishing.
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So, they pretended to be
someone in charge at Apple
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and texted these celebrities
and said,
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"Hey, I'm, you know,
Apple security,
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Apple tech support.
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Will you just give me
your password to verify?"
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So, that's essentially just
tricking someone
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into giving
their credentials over.
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And once that happened,
then they could get
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into the iCloud accounts
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and root around for whatever
they wanted to look for,
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which was naked pictures
that the celebrities had taken
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of themselves a lot of
the time and stuff like that.
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A Pennsylvania man
agreed to plead guilty yesterday
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for his part in
the nude photo hacking scandal.
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So the five men responsible
for "The Fappening"
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were prosecuted and imprisoned
for their actions.
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These people
weren't working together.
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Like a lot of things on 4chan,
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once there started to be,
like, a culture
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around the existence
of these photos
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and trading them
and getting money for them,
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they all kind of became
part of the same circle.
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The first person who was
convicted was Ryan Collins.
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Authorities
said that Ryan Collins
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accessed at least
50 Apple iCloud accounts.
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He pled guilty.
The second was Edward Majerczyk.
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Edward Majerczyk of Chicago
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admitted to sending emails
to victims
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and asking for usernames and
passwords to iCloud accounts.
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Served nine months.
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There was Emilio Herrera,
and he served 16 months in jail.
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So, then
there was George Garofano,
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sentenced to eight months
in prison.
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The last person charged
was Christopher Brannan,
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who was a Virginia teacher.
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He was accused not
just of illegally accessing
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these accounts,
but also of identity theft.
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So, that led
to a longer sentence.
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He was sentenced
to 34 months in jail.
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It took a leak of this magnitude
to see serious consequences
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for a form of revenge porn,
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which is something
that has not always been
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taken very seriously by the law.
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The fact that these hackers
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got prosecuted for this
is pretty rare.
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I think that was
a big cultural turning point.
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The media did a better job.
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They realized that the victims
were the celebrities
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and that if you contrast that
with, say, years ago,
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something very different
was happening.
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The media, and it seemed like
popular culture
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and people in general celebrated
taking women down a peg.
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I think that, like,
the attention
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that celebrities could
bring to this stuff
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probably was instrumental
in getting these laws passed.
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That said, this was footage that
you were never meant to see.
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And there are laws.
There are revenge porn laws.
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There are privacy laws.
There are copyright laws
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that are all applied to these
cases, and yet you could still,
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within 10 seconds, be watching
it right now if you Googled it.
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We wanna see celebrities
so much as a society.
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We wanna literally see
every ounce of them.
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But looking
at somebody's naked image,
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somebody having sex,
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an image that was never
intended for you
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and that was obtained illegally,
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it's wrong,
and it's voyeuristic.
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I think people
were excited at first,
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and then they were shamed.
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And that's maybe like
a good use of shame,
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'cause we weren't
individually shamed.
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We were shamed as a society.
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If you stood outside
the celebrity's window
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and watched them do this,
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you'd be arrested
and hauled off to jail,
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and everyone would call you
a pervert and a stalker.
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If you watch it
in the privacy of your own home
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and the image is stolen,
nobody does anything.
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It's a normal act.
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I know the sentences
were ridiculously light.
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I think that, frankly,
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the sentences have to be
much stronger,
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and the--the consequences
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to anybody who would promote
this material financially
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would be a strong disincentive
to--to do it.
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When an angry ex posts
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nude photos of somebody online,
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whose responsibility
is it to take that down?
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Who is at fault for it?
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This is exactly what happened
to Katie Hill.
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California congresswoman,
Katie hill,
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vice chair of the powerful
House Oversight Committee,
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is under investigation
by the House Ethics Committee.
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It was this famous case
of revenge porn.
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Katie Hill is--She's cool,
she's charismatic, she's fun,
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and she's very approachable
and kind.
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She's also had a tough life.
She hasn't had it easy.
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She had personal struggles
that kind of shaped her
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into this very real person,
and when you interact with her,
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that's what you see.
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Here in
the Angeles National Forest
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heading to Texas Canyon
to go climbing
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for some team bonding.
It's gonna be great.
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She is a born leader
since we were kids.
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You know, she always was
the director of our plays
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that we put together
on the street.
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And she always was really clear
on what she wanted
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and always pushed through
whatever obstacles
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were in her way to get there.
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When she first announced
her decision to run,
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she was just 30 years old,
so very young.
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And I think at the time,
you know,
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there was a lot of questioning
around, is she fit for office?
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Does she have enough experience?
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Is this job
going to be too big for her?
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You don't look like
most people in Congress.
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Right.
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We've got to change the face
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of politics if we want
to really get people engaged.
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I'm Katie Hill,
former member of Congress
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from California's
25th Congressional District,
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one of the youngest women
ever elected to Congress,
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and I was forced to resign due
to image-based sexual abuse.
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We're children of divorce,
so when I was about 7,
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my parents got divorced,
and we moved to Santa Clarita.
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I graduated
high school early.
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I was 16 when I graduated,
and the reason I graduated early
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is that I thought I was a lot
older than I was, you know?
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But I, you know, I have
a history of sexual trauma.
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It was early in my 16th year.
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I snuck out of the house, and I
went to a party and I got drunk.
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I was sexually assaulted,
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and I felt that was
still at the time when
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it was your fault
for letting yourself get drunk.
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And, you know,
I was called a slut.
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And in the guy's bathroom,
they had written, like,
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"Call Katie for a good time,"
whatever.
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I didn't know
what to do about it.
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I didn't think about it
at that point as sexual assault.
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I just thought, well, I was--
I should have known better.
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It was only a few months later
that I met Kenny.
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I got a job at Barnes & Noble,
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and Kenny was working there, too.
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He was older than I was.
He was 20.
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That definitely played a big
part in why I latched onto him.
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He felt like a safe space,
I guess.
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And at that point, it was great
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to get the kind of attention
that I was getting from him,
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and it felt secure.
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Things moved pretty fast,
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and I was living with him
pretty fast.
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I remember naively thinking
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it was cool that someone
so much older was interested.
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But very quickly, we started
to see a shift in Katie,
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and concerns were raised.
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The flags were there.
I just didn't see 'em.
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She'd be hanging out with us,
and she'd get a call,
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and "I have to go right now."
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Why? It's not like you're
hanging out with random guys.
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It's not like you're
hanging out with even friends.
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Like, you're talking
your family.
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She was always
on speakerphone. Always.
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God forbid somebody
had a conversation
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without him being involved
in it.
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I witnessed a few fights
between them
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where he stormed off,
screaming matches.
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00:20:05,417 --> 00:20:10,666
I really put my foot down and
said, "Something is very off.
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I don't like
how controlling Kenny is."
404
00:20:13,542 --> 00:20:15,707
My sister just doubled-downed
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and said, "No, I'm happy.
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I'm in love.
You're misreading it."
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00:20:21,333 --> 00:20:24,999
And we learned
to just support her
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rather than try to fight her,
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because she needed
to figure things out on her own.
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A coworker at the time
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brought up that she had found
their dating profile,
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looking for another woman
to join their relationship.
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I knew my sister was bi
at that point.
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I came out about it
when I was about 18,
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and it basically led to, like,
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he said, "Okay, if you wanna
have relationships with women,
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that's fine,
but I wanna be part of it."
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And I think at the time,
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I sort of saw it
as him being supportive.
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But I do think that it's hard
to navigate for anyone who's bi,
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but in a relationship with the--
the same sex or different sex,
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like, you have to pick one.
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We'd lived together and had been
together for six years.
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So, I was 22
when we got married,
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and, you know, my parents
had gotten married really young.
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His parents had gotten married
really young.
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And it felt like since we'd been
together for so long, like,
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okay, this is what you do,
you know?
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My thoughts were,
well, this is permanent.
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And again,
you really--you hope they are.
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You hope
she's telling the truth.
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You hope that there's
a happily ever after.
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But the concern never left.
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So...
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You just hope for the best.
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But how do you prepare
for your husband
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to betray you?
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00:22:00,042 --> 00:22:01,792
Whoever you're electing,
you're electing to be a leader,
439
00:22:01,917 --> 00:22:04,457
and we have not nearly
enough leadership in Congress.
440
00:22:04,458 --> 00:22:06,166
I was never planning on
going into politics.
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That wasn't my dream
or anything like that.
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I had actually worked
in the nonprofit sector
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for my whole career.
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I was
the chief operating officer
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00:22:13,542 --> 00:22:15,457
and executive director
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of the largest homeless
services nonprofit in California
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called PATH,
People Assisting the Homeless.
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And then Donald Trump
was elected president.
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USA! USA! USA! USA!
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I believe that as a country,
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00:22:30,625 --> 00:22:32,166
we are better than this.
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We say fight back!
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The next day, I had my staff
coming into my office crying,
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"What does this mean for us?
What are we gonna do?"
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So, I felt like I needed
to do something about it.
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Figured out that one of
the most competitive districts
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in California and, in fact,
across the country,
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was my district
where I'd spent my whole life.
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00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,332
I think it was at my mom's
dinner table that she's like,
460
00:22:54,333 --> 00:22:55,457
"I think
I might run for Congress.
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00:22:55,458 --> 00:22:58,166
And I was like, "What?"
462
00:22:58,167 --> 00:22:59,374
She's like,
"Yeah, there's an opening,"
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00:22:59,375 --> 00:23:01,332
and there's not a strong
Democratic candidate"
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00:23:01,333 --> 00:23:03,416
and duh-duh-duh-duh-duh.
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00:23:03,417 --> 00:23:05,124
And then
she became that candidate.
466
00:23:07,833 --> 00:23:09,332
Hi. This is Katie Hill.
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00:23:09,333 --> 00:23:10,249
I'm calling because
I'm running for Congress.
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In California's 25th District.
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One of the key things to know is
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Republicans had held that seat
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00:23:16,458 --> 00:23:18,999
for two decades prior
to her running.
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I had no political experience
whatsoever.
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00:23:21,417 --> 00:23:23,332
I had no money.
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00:23:23,333 --> 00:23:25,832
It started off with just
a completely grassroots
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00:23:25,833 --> 00:23:28,332
with my friends and family,
and it grew and grew,
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00:23:28,333 --> 00:23:30,791
and started to really
kind of pick up steam.
477
00:23:30,792 --> 00:23:34,999
But we all know that
public figures are torn apart.
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We know the stress of it,
and we're committing
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to actually having
a politician in the family.
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Thank you so much. I'm sure
I'll see you again soon.
481
00:23:42,333 --> 00:23:44,999
Becoming a public figure
is a wild experience.
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I think you are the most
interesting and intriguing
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and brilliant candidates...
- Oh. Thank you.
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...running
in these midterm elections.
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Thank you.
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- For everyone who doesn't know--
- Thank you.
487
00:23:53,333 --> 00:23:54,666
It's a tremendous amount
of pressure.
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00:23:54,667 --> 00:23:56,583
Katie was in the news
constantly...
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00:23:56,708 --> 00:23:58,041
Democrat Katie Hill...
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This is about
people showing up.
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00:23:59,417 --> 00:24:01,500
...from the sheer volume
of funding
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00:24:01,667 --> 00:24:05,542
from her grassroots campaign
to the fact that she's so young.
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Yes.
494
00:24:14,042 --> 00:24:16,541
You know, we talked about...
it coming out,
495
00:24:16,542 --> 00:24:18,999
that they were
in a polyamorous relationship.
496
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,291
It was kind of met with,
"That won't happen."
497
00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:26,666
She was very open
498
00:24:26,667 --> 00:24:28,332
around the fact
that she was bisexual
499
00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:30,707
and was a bisexual
running for Congress.
500
00:24:30,708 --> 00:24:33,166
And she really
embraced the fact that, no,
501
00:24:33,167 --> 00:24:35,874
this is the generation
that she is a part of.
502
00:24:35,875 --> 00:24:39,749
And I think it was viewed as
a bit of a reset
503
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:42,583
or a fresh start
to what Washington looks like.
504
00:24:42,708 --> 00:24:44,707
And at the same time,
505
00:24:44,708 --> 00:24:46,791
I had a lot going on
in my personal life.
506
00:24:46,792 --> 00:24:50,082
I'd been in a relationship
with my ex
507
00:24:50,083 --> 00:24:54,999
since I was 16 years old,
and it was not a good one.
508
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,666
And that deteriorated
and got worse and worse
509
00:24:57,667 --> 00:24:59,166
as the campaign went forward.
510
00:24:59,167 --> 00:25:01,916
So the bigger it got,
the worse things got at home.
511
00:25:03,667 --> 00:25:05,832
He said,
"I don't want her running."
512
00:25:05,833 --> 00:25:08,667
Her career has always
been very important to her,
513
00:25:08,792 --> 00:25:13,542
and her drive and her success
has always been important.
514
00:25:13,667 --> 00:25:17,999
So, I think that was one... part
that he couldn't control.
515
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,750
But at the same time, I think
the behavior did escalate
516
00:25:20,875 --> 00:25:24,082
as he started
to feel me pulling away.
517
00:25:24,083 --> 00:25:28,624
So, he--he became more
controlling and paranoid,
518
00:25:28,625 --> 00:25:32,832
accusatory.
519
00:25:32,833 --> 00:25:37,124
And my own awareness of,
like, I can live without him.
520
00:25:37,125 --> 00:25:38,707
There is a--There is a life
outside of this
521
00:25:38,708 --> 00:25:40,416
and a life that I wanna
have outside of this.
522
00:25:40,417 --> 00:25:42,750
I think that was in October
of right before the election,
523
00:25:42,875 --> 00:25:44,707
literally the month
before the election.
524
00:25:48,333 --> 00:25:49,957
I actually
moved out of my house.
525
00:25:51,792 --> 00:25:55,332
I was very aware of how...
526
00:25:58,333 --> 00:26:00,666
...how precarious things were.
527
00:26:00,667 --> 00:26:06,666
She actually packed up
and moved out.
528
00:26:06,667 --> 00:26:09,124
And she took a decent amount
of her things
529
00:26:09,125 --> 00:26:13,332
to my mom's house, and we really
thought it was the end.
530
00:26:13,333 --> 00:26:18,000
And I stayed away
for a couple weeks,
531
00:26:18,125 --> 00:26:20,666
And he said, "If you leave,
I'll ruin you."
532
00:26:20,667 --> 00:26:22,499
And I didn't know
what it was, right?
533
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:23,666
Like, I didn't know
what he might do,
534
00:26:23,667 --> 00:26:26,208
but I knew that it could be
very damaging,
535
00:26:26,333 --> 00:26:29,624
and I knew that he was
so... vengeful at that point,
536
00:26:29,625 --> 00:26:32,499
and I couldn't--
I couldn't risk that.
537
00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:36,582
I know she felt a lot of
pressure to win.
538
00:26:36,583 --> 00:26:39,916
Truly, like,
it genuinely felt like
539
00:26:39,917 --> 00:26:42,041
control of Congress
comes down to this one seat,
540
00:26:42,042 --> 00:26:46,874
and what if I can't win
because I decided
541
00:26:46,875 --> 00:26:48,375
to leave my husband
in the middle of a campaign?
542
00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:50,374
So, I went back.
543
00:26:55,625 --> 00:26:56,999
Katie Hill wins.
544
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,666
Katie! Katie! Katie!
545
00:27:01,667 --> 00:27:04,582
She wins the 25th District
in California,
546
00:27:04,583 --> 00:27:06,041
and she heads to Washington.
547
00:27:06,042 --> 00:27:08,541
I'm very excited to get there
and start working.
548
00:27:08,542 --> 00:27:10,457
The day that I was sworn in,
549
00:27:10,458 --> 00:27:12,332
yeah, my ex-husband
was there,
550
00:27:12,333 --> 00:27:15,916
and he... refused to wear a tie.
551
00:27:17,958 --> 00:27:20,208
If you zoom in on that picture
and look at his shoes,
552
00:27:20,333 --> 00:27:22,208
they're, like, hiking shoes.
553
00:27:22,333 --> 00:27:24,500
I was furious.
554
00:27:24,625 --> 00:27:26,750
Here, her whole world
is opening up.
555
00:27:26,875 --> 00:27:29,250
You know, new avenues,
new people, new experiences.
556
00:27:29,375 --> 00:27:30,707
I was pretty high profile.
557
00:27:30,708 --> 00:27:33,082
I was the vice chair
of Oversight.
558
00:27:33,083 --> 00:27:35,832
I was the freshman
representative to leadership.
559
00:27:35,833 --> 00:27:37,791
There had been an article
in "The L.A. Times," like,
560
00:27:37,792 --> 00:27:40,999
"Is she the next Nancy Pelosi?"
561
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,541
This chapter with her husband,
Kenny Heslep,
562
00:27:43,542 --> 00:27:45,624
that she wanted to close.
563
00:27:45,625 --> 00:27:47,457
And I was afraid of what
would happen afterwards.
564
00:27:47,458 --> 00:27:50,416
He did try to convince me,
but I was set at that point.
565
00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:54,916
You know, I left in June.
566
00:27:54,917 --> 00:27:58,582
That was, like, the happiest
I had ever been
567
00:27:58,583 --> 00:28:00,124
that I could remember.
568
00:28:00,125 --> 00:28:03,916
I took my little rest period
during summer recess,
569
00:28:03,917 --> 00:28:06,707
and then I was
in a staff meeting,
570
00:28:06,708 --> 00:28:08,083
and then all of a sudden,
571
00:28:08,208 --> 00:28:11,416
my comms director
came running in and is like,
572
00:28:11,417 --> 00:28:12,750
"Oh, my God,
you have to see this."
573
00:28:12,875 --> 00:28:14,207
Conservative outlets
and tabloids
574
00:28:14,208 --> 00:28:16,957
publishing nude pictures
of Hill online.
575
00:28:16,958 --> 00:28:19,291
Hill says the nude photos
sparked thousands
576
00:28:19,292 --> 00:28:21,667
of threatening emails,
calls, and texts.
577
00:28:21,792 --> 00:28:24,208
I was like... holy [bleep].
578
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,666
Congresswoman
Katie Hill in the face
579
00:28:30,667 --> 00:28:32,041
of an investigation
stemming from allegations
580
00:28:32,042 --> 00:28:34,166
she had an inappropriate
sexual relationship
581
00:28:34,167 --> 00:28:36,332
with one
of her congressional staffers.
582
00:28:36,333 --> 00:28:39,832
Hill admits to a relationship
with a member of her campaign,
583
00:28:39,833 --> 00:28:42,124
calling it inappropriate
but consensual.
584
00:28:42,125 --> 00:28:45,374
The closeness of the campaign
and all the things
585
00:28:45,375 --> 00:28:47,375
that are going on, like,
led to it.
586
00:28:47,542 --> 00:28:49,542
But I ended up
having a relationship
587
00:28:49,667 --> 00:28:51,666
with somebody who worked for me.
588
00:28:51,667 --> 00:28:54,541
She engaged in
an inappropriate relationship
589
00:28:54,542 --> 00:28:56,875
with a young campaign staffer.
590
00:29:03,208 --> 00:29:05,332
I didn't understand
the power dynamics then.
591
00:29:05,333 --> 00:29:06,832
I never once felt like,
592
00:29:06,833 --> 00:29:08,666
"I'm trying to get her
to do something."
593
00:29:08,667 --> 00:29:10,291
Didn't even cross my mind.
594
00:29:18,958 --> 00:29:22,166
I thought that he would tell
people about the relationship
595
00:29:22,167 --> 00:29:24,166
that I had with the person
who worked for me.
596
00:29:24,167 --> 00:29:26,541
And I also thought
that he cared about her enough
597
00:29:26,542 --> 00:29:28,707
that he wouldn't
want to do that to her.
598
00:29:28,708 --> 00:29:30,749
Her ex-husband was aware
599
00:29:30,750 --> 00:29:33,499
of that relationship
at the time and was part of it,
600
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:36,457
and as such, had documentation
601
00:29:36,458 --> 00:29:39,916
that later was believed to have
been potentially leaked by him.
602
00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:44,666
I was in a staff meeting
with my chief of staff,
603
00:29:44,667 --> 00:29:47,666
and I think
my legislative director.
604
00:29:47,667 --> 00:29:49,624
And then all of a sudden,
my comms director
605
00:29:49,625 --> 00:29:51,166
came running in
606
00:29:51,167 --> 00:29:55,207
and is like, "Oh, my God,
you have to see this."
607
00:29:58,958 --> 00:30:01,875
Staff showed them to me, like,
"Is this real? Is this..."
608
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,499
You know? I'm like, that's me,
609
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:07,041
and I didn't know that these
photos existed, but, um,
610
00:30:07,042 --> 00:30:10,000
and you can see in--
in most of the photos
611
00:30:10,125 --> 00:30:13,333
I'm not looking at the camera.
612
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:16,750
Everybody knew.
613
00:30:16,875 --> 00:30:21,124
These photos--
some of them depicted her
614
00:30:21,125 --> 00:30:23,999
in various states of undress.
A lot of them, she was nude.
615
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,166
And they also showed her
interacting with the individual
616
00:30:27,167 --> 00:30:30,582
that she was tied to, uh,
who worked on her campaign.
617
00:30:30,583 --> 00:30:32,874
And again, you know,
they were nude
618
00:30:32,875 --> 00:30:36,457
in some of these photos
or various states of undress.
619
00:30:36,458 --> 00:30:38,667
I did not know he had
the images that he had.
620
00:30:38,833 --> 00:30:40,374
Those were taken
without my knowledge.
621
00:30:40,375 --> 00:30:43,332
There's one that I was looking,
but I thought
622
00:30:43,333 --> 00:30:46,291
that my ex was
just playing on his phone,
623
00:30:46,292 --> 00:30:48,082
and so I was just, like,
kind of being silly or whatever,
624
00:30:48,083 --> 00:30:50,207
but I didn't have any idea
that he was taking a picture.
625
00:30:50,208 --> 00:30:54,124
And so when they came out,
I was like, holy [bleep].
626
00:30:54,125 --> 00:30:58,041
The "journalist" who published
them in "RedState,"
627
00:30:58,042 --> 00:31:01,166
which is a right wing blog,
had previously been
628
00:31:01,167 --> 00:31:03,791
a campaign manager
for my Republican opponent.
629
00:31:03,792 --> 00:31:05,583
I guess what took me by surprise
the most with--
630
00:31:05,708 --> 00:31:07,499
when the photos actually
came out
631
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:12,666
was I knew that Kenny was still
so vengeful at that point,
632
00:31:12,667 --> 00:31:14,457
but I didn't think
633
00:31:14,458 --> 00:31:20,083
that a publication would
actually give that traction,
634
00:31:20,208 --> 00:31:23,832
and, um, and, uh, they sure did.
635
00:31:23,833 --> 00:31:25,874
You kinda go--
you go into crisis mode
636
00:31:25,875 --> 00:31:27,999
of, like, damage control
637
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,958
and trying to figure out
what to do.
638
00:31:34,875 --> 00:31:36,707
They were in a relationship.
639
00:31:36,708 --> 00:31:39,624
She was allowed
to be in our family.
640
00:31:39,625 --> 00:31:42,542
We all did say it was
a bad idea.
641
00:31:44,083 --> 00:31:47,499
Especially since it was
a "position of power"
642
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:50,250
and such a taboo thing
like a polyamorous relationship.
643
00:31:50,375 --> 00:31:54,332
I just had a feeling
that it could blow up,
644
00:31:54,333 --> 00:31:56,207
and despite it being
fully consensual
645
00:31:56,208 --> 00:32:00,958
and a committed relationship
and everything else,
646
00:32:01,083 --> 00:32:03,624
I just knew
it wouldn't be perceived well.
647
00:32:03,625 --> 00:32:07,666
I am deeply regretful
for what she's been through
648
00:32:07,667 --> 00:32:12,082
because of this and how she was
exposed during the scandal.
649
00:32:12,083 --> 00:32:14,166
Hill claims she is
a victim of a smear campaign
650
00:32:14,167 --> 00:32:15,916
launched by her ex-husband.
651
00:32:15,917 --> 00:32:17,791
They are
in the middle of a divorce.
652
00:32:17,792 --> 00:32:19,832
Kenny was liberal, too, definitely.
653
00:32:19,833 --> 00:32:21,749
He was--and he--
he genuinely, like,
654
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:24,333
I think, believed in a lot
of the same things that I did.
655
00:32:24,458 --> 00:32:25,499
So, I guess
I didn't really expect him
656
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:29,332
to collaborate with and he--
657
00:32:29,333 --> 00:32:32,250
and--and to be clear,
he still denies this. He's...
658
00:32:32,375 --> 00:32:37,499
He--He does, um, but I know.
I know what happened.
659
00:32:43,542 --> 00:32:46,832
It became very quickly, like,
I'm not leaving my apartment.
660
00:32:46,833 --> 00:32:48,500
And then
it's trying to figure out,
661
00:32:48,625 --> 00:32:50,000
like, what do you--
what do you do from here?
662
00:32:50,125 --> 00:32:52,207
Like, I really didn't
wanna resign at first,
663
00:32:52,208 --> 00:32:54,708
and it just got darker
and darker for me,
664
00:32:54,875 --> 00:32:57,166
and it became... too much.
665
00:32:57,167 --> 00:33:00,667
She had no idea
these photos were being taken,
666
00:33:00,792 --> 00:33:04,167
which should, to the public,
be even more of a red flag,
667
00:33:04,292 --> 00:33:06,999
but it was completely ignored.
668
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,624
It was wild, and yeah,
she was horribly embarrassed.
669
00:33:10,625 --> 00:33:13,624
We all know that everyone
we know has seen her naked.
670
00:33:13,625 --> 00:33:18,207
My dad--he was a lieutenant
at the time, became a captain.
671
00:33:18,208 --> 00:33:20,332
All of his co-workers
saw her naked.
672
00:33:20,333 --> 00:33:25,500
Everyone you know has seen
your daughter naked. Like...
673
00:33:25,625 --> 00:33:27,291
I can't fathom that.
674
00:33:27,292 --> 00:33:29,999
The photos of Katie Hill
were first released
675
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,416
in about mid-October of 2019.
676
00:33:32,417 --> 00:33:34,833
So, that's roughly about
10 months into her tenure
677
00:33:34,958 --> 00:33:37,166
in the House of Representatives.
678
00:33:37,167 --> 00:33:41,500
And suddenly, once they had been
published, they were everywhere.
679
00:33:41,625 --> 00:33:44,541
They were all over Twitter.
They were all over social media.
680
00:33:44,542 --> 00:33:45,916
And it's like a wildfire.
681
00:33:52,542 --> 00:33:54,582
It breaks my heart that
682
00:33:54,583 --> 00:33:57,332
nobody took into consideration
that she was going
683
00:33:57,333 --> 00:34:02,499
through a horrible professional
and public humiliation.
684
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:06,291
And the internet
was still so cruel.
685
00:34:06,292 --> 00:34:08,457
There was not
even a day of break
686
00:34:08,458 --> 00:34:14,541
of the relentless attacks
on her, and it just--
687
00:34:14,542 --> 00:34:18,250
it makes you want to ask,
how, as a society,
688
00:34:18,375 --> 00:34:22,457
have we just allowed ourselves
to become so cruel?
689
00:34:22,458 --> 00:34:24,541
It's traumatic
for everyone involved,
690
00:34:24,542 --> 00:34:27,332
not just the person
that goes through it.
691
00:34:27,333 --> 00:34:30,624
I was genuinely suicidal,
and after that,
692
00:34:30,625 --> 00:34:33,499
I decided I needed to step down.
Like, I just--this wasn't
693
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:35,999
something that I could continue
to go through, and, um,
694
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,832
so I called Nancy Pelosi
to tell her first,
695
00:34:38,833 --> 00:34:40,791
and she tried to talk me
out of it.
696
00:34:40,792 --> 00:34:44,249
And she even called me back
a little later and said,
697
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:46,374
"Even if you just--
698
00:34:46,375 --> 00:34:48,041
if--if you just decide
not to run for re-election,
699
00:34:48,042 --> 00:34:50,166
you just stay on
for the rest of the term,"
700
00:34:50,167 --> 00:34:53,957
but she--she--she really didn't,
701
00:34:53,958 --> 00:34:55,332
you know, she didn't want me
to step down.
702
00:34:55,333 --> 00:34:58,249
Freshman Katie Hill
just announced she is resigning
703
00:34:58,250 --> 00:35:00,749
amid a bizarre scandal involving
racy photos
704
00:35:00,750 --> 00:35:02,207
and an alleged affair.
705
00:35:02,208 --> 00:35:05,332
They said that there
were hundreds of photos,
706
00:35:05,333 --> 00:35:07,916
and basically they were
just gonna keep releasing stuff
707
00:35:07,917 --> 00:35:09,666
until I stepped down.
708
00:35:09,667 --> 00:35:13,666
It was important to me to give
a meaningful resignation speech,
709
00:35:13,667 --> 00:35:17,499
and so I--it kind of
took everything I had to--
710
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:20,082
to write that I wanted
to write it myself.
711
00:35:20,083 --> 00:35:23,082
I no longer wanna be
used as a bargaining chip.
712
00:35:23,083 --> 00:35:25,374
I'm leaving because
I didn't want to be peddled
713
00:35:25,375 --> 00:35:29,457
by papers and blogs and websites
used by shameless operatives
714
00:35:29,458 --> 00:35:32,541
for the dirtiest gutter politics
that I've ever seen.
715
00:35:32,542 --> 00:35:34,457
And I am proud of the fact
that I was able to stand up
716
00:35:34,458 --> 00:35:37,166
on the House floor
and give that last speech.
717
00:35:37,167 --> 00:35:40,166
I'm leaving because
of a misogynistic culture
718
00:35:40,167 --> 00:35:42,999
that gleefully consumed
my naked pictures,
719
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,749
capitalized on my sexuality,
720
00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:48,041
and enabled my abusive ex
to continue that abuse,
721
00:35:48,042 --> 00:35:50,083
this time with
the entire country watching.
722
00:35:50,208 --> 00:35:51,624
Hill has threatened
legal action
723
00:35:51,625 --> 00:35:53,666
over the publication
of nude pictures,
724
00:35:53,667 --> 00:35:57,249
also racy text messages
published by a tabloid,
725
00:35:57,250 --> 00:35:59,832
and a spread
on conservative websites.
726
00:35:59,833 --> 00:36:01,999
After talking to lawyers,
727
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,291
I decided
that I needed to file something.
728
00:36:05,292 --> 00:36:06,957
If we don't do anything
about it,
729
00:36:06,958 --> 00:36:08,832
like, we're just saying
it's okay.
730
00:36:08,833 --> 00:36:10,666
We're saying it's okay
to do this to people,
731
00:36:10,667 --> 00:36:17,541
so I used personal money.
I raised money to pay for it.
732
00:36:17,542 --> 00:36:19,332
Uh, and I knew
that it wasn't without risk.
733
00:36:19,333 --> 00:36:23,125
Forget about me,
all the other people.
734
00:36:33,333 --> 00:36:35,624
And the case basically
had to do
735
00:36:35,625 --> 00:36:43,541
with the balancing of
the free press against privacy.
736
00:36:43,542 --> 00:36:49,249
I personally am more on the side
of she gets to decide
737
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:53,832
what images of herself
are disseminated.
738
00:36:53,833 --> 00:36:58,291
The other side of the argument
is that she is a public figure.
739
00:36:58,292 --> 00:37:00,082
As a public figure,
740
00:37:00,083 --> 00:37:04,124
it is understood that there is
an interest in this story.
741
00:37:04,125 --> 00:37:08,207
It if an argument can be made
that the pictures
742
00:37:08,208 --> 00:37:12,332
are an essential element
of the story
743
00:37:12,333 --> 00:37:15,499
and there is
a First Amendment right,
744
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:17,541
I understand that argument.
745
00:37:17,542 --> 00:37:19,791
They had the full right to say,
746
00:37:19,792 --> 00:37:22,416
"We have seen images
747
00:37:22,417 --> 00:37:24,541
that show that she's in
a relationship with this person.
748
00:37:24,542 --> 00:37:26,541
We've talked to witnesses,"
749
00:37:26,542 --> 00:37:29,374
or there were images
that were not explicit
750
00:37:29,375 --> 00:37:31,499
that could have shown
the exact same thing,
751
00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:33,499
if you're saying that
this is my liability
752
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:36,833
or this is my offense,
and that's not what they did.
753
00:37:36,958 --> 00:37:39,249
Judge has dismissed former
Congresswoman Katie Hill's
754
00:37:39,250 --> 00:37:41,500
lawsuit
against the "Daily Mail."
755
00:37:41,625 --> 00:37:43,332
The judge cited
First Amendment grounds
756
00:37:43,333 --> 00:37:45,249
in the ruling yesterday.
757
00:37:45,250 --> 00:37:46,999
I lost,
and I lost on the grounds
758
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,333
that I was a public figure,
and those were journalists,
759
00:37:50,458 --> 00:37:54,499
and the images
were widely spread.
760
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,541
After these photos
were released,
761
00:37:57,542 --> 00:38:00,291
I was able to write stories
or "Vanity Fair"
762
00:38:00,292 --> 00:38:02,791
or these other outlets,
"The New York Times," CNN,
763
00:38:02,792 --> 00:38:04,833
"Washington Post"--
pick an outlet.
764
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,707
We were able to write
about the allegations
765
00:38:07,708 --> 00:38:10,332
without showing
any of these photos,
766
00:38:10,333 --> 00:38:12,083
and that's what
it comes back to.
767
00:38:12,208 --> 00:38:15,791
The question becomes, okay, what
are we trying to achieve here?
768
00:38:15,792 --> 00:38:19,457
Do you need to release
those photos to tell this story
769
00:38:19,458 --> 00:38:22,499
and to raise questions
as to whether this person should
770
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:26,708
or should not hold an office
in the House of Representatives?
771
00:38:26,833 --> 00:38:29,499
It's almost like we need,
like, a supreme internet judge
772
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:32,833
sitting there saying, uh,
"I will look at your story.
773
00:38:32,958 --> 00:38:34,166
I will look at what happened,
774
00:38:34,167 --> 00:38:35,749
and I will decide
if this is all right."
775
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:37,874
Uh, I actually
would support that.
776
00:38:37,875 --> 00:38:39,999
I mean, it'd be easier than
the way we do it right now,
777
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,624
which is hire
a bunch of lawyers,
778
00:38:41,625 --> 00:38:45,041
pay an offensive amount of
money, go to court, have a judge
779
00:38:45,042 --> 00:38:47,499
who probably doesn't even know
how to turn his computer on,
780
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:50,083
and he's sitting there
deciding internet law for us.
781
00:38:57,583 --> 00:38:59,791
In my case,
you are responsible
782
00:38:59,792 --> 00:39:03,874
for the legal fees
of the people that you sued.
783
00:39:03,875 --> 00:39:06,332
And in my case, that was several
hundred thousand dollars,
784
00:39:06,333 --> 00:39:08,791
and I had to declare bankruptcy
because of it.
785
00:39:08,792 --> 00:39:11,999
I can't say that bankruptcy
has been easy,
786
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,832
and I just finished it,
am finally clear of it.
787
00:39:15,833 --> 00:39:17,375
I am taking
personal responsibility
788
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:21,624
by stepping down
and by trying to prevent
789
00:39:21,625 --> 00:39:25,375
what I did from harming
other people in the caucus.
790
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:31,167
But it's still wrong,
and it's an example of how
791
00:39:31,292 --> 00:39:35,499
the system is still
so deeply misogynistic
792
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:39,207
and does things to women
that it doesn't do to men.
793
00:39:39,208 --> 00:39:42,166
I think the fact that Katie Hill
was a woman,
794
00:39:42,167 --> 00:39:43,291
that she was a politician,
795
00:39:43,292 --> 00:39:45,750
that she was
a bisexual politician,
796
00:39:45,875 --> 00:39:48,707
had a lot to do with the outcome
of that trial.
797
00:39:48,708 --> 00:39:50,916
Male politicians are held to
a different standard than women.
798
00:39:50,917 --> 00:39:53,583
I think a lot of people
expect them to have
799
00:39:53,708 --> 00:39:56,582
scandals somewhere in their past
800
00:39:56,583 --> 00:39:59,417
or perhaps
in their present-day lives.
801
00:39:59,542 --> 00:40:02,082
But women politicians
are expected to
802
00:40:02,083 --> 00:40:03,874
occupy a different standard.
803
00:40:03,875 --> 00:40:07,624
They're supposed to be moral
and upstanding and buttoned up,
804
00:40:07,625 --> 00:40:10,666
and the less we know about
their sexual lives, the better.
805
00:40:10,667 --> 00:40:12,791
The unfortunate thing
about the Katie Hill thing is
806
00:40:12,792 --> 00:40:16,582
she was a Democrat
in a highly contested seat, um,
807
00:40:16,583 --> 00:40:18,624
so her political opponents
took advantage of it.
808
00:40:20,875 --> 00:40:23,832
But I think we really need
to think about as a country
809
00:40:23,833 --> 00:40:26,999
and as a society,
where does privacy fit in?
810
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,041
We do need to talk
about the ways in which
811
00:40:30,042 --> 00:40:32,082
we can regulate these platforms
812
00:40:32,083 --> 00:40:35,832
to prevent against these crimes,
which are crimes.
813
00:40:35,833 --> 00:40:39,082
It is a crime to release,
you know,
814
00:40:39,083 --> 00:40:42,791
non-consensual pornography,
aka revenge porn.
815
00:40:42,792 --> 00:40:44,582
Something positive
has to come out of this,
816
00:40:44,583 --> 00:40:47,167
and so I started a PAC
called HER Time.
817
00:40:47,292 --> 00:40:50,500
My fight right now
with HER Time,
818
00:40:50,625 --> 00:40:54,666
the organization I founded,
is to pass the SHIELD Act.
819
00:40:54,667 --> 00:40:56,875
We don't
have a federal law at all
820
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,499
that prevents people
from committing these acts
821
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:05,333
of non-consensual,
intimate image distribution.
822
00:41:05,458 --> 00:41:07,750
We as a society have
to say that this isn't okay.
823
00:41:07,875 --> 00:41:10,166
And if you don't have
a law in the book saying so,
824
00:41:10,167 --> 00:41:13,957
there's no reason to believe
that that's the case.
825
00:41:13,958 --> 00:41:18,707
I wish that people knew that I,
um, I never entered politics
826
00:41:18,708 --> 00:41:20,875
because I wanted power
or because I thought
827
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,917
that I should be
a member of Congress.
828
00:41:24,042 --> 00:41:27,832
I did it because
I genuinely felt like
829
00:41:27,833 --> 00:41:31,082
I needed to try
and improve our country.
830
00:41:31,083 --> 00:41:33,957
I've gone through
a great deal of loss and trauma,
831
00:41:33,958 --> 00:41:38,749
and I'm a person that at 35,
I'm a mom.
832
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:42,624
I'm so happy to be a mom.
I love my family.
833
00:41:42,625 --> 00:41:46,624
I'm still trying to figure out
what my part is to play
834
00:41:46,625 --> 00:41:52,207
in this quest to search
for a better future.
835
00:41:52,208 --> 00:41:54,082
We will not stand down.
836
00:41:54,083 --> 00:41:55,624
We will not be broken.
837
00:41:55,625 --> 00:41:57,874
We will not be silenced.
838
00:41:57,875 --> 00:42:01,833
We will rise, and we will make
tomorrow better than today.
839
00:42:01,958 --> 00:42:05,083
Thank you, and I yield
the balance of my time for now,
840
00:42:05,208 --> 00:42:06,832
but not forever.
841
00:42:12,958 --> 00:42:16,666
It's really hard to say what
a sex tape is like
842
00:42:16,667 --> 00:42:18,291
in the age of OnlyFans.
843
00:42:18,292 --> 00:42:20,749
If you have a big social media
following and you turn 18,
844
00:42:20,750 --> 00:42:22,416
you're contemplating whether
you're gonna be a porn star.
845
00:42:25,333 --> 00:42:28,291
You might recognize me from
shows like "Boy Meets World."
846
00:42:28,292 --> 00:42:30,457
Hey, do you guys have any
toothpaste that I could borrow?
847
00:42:30,458 --> 00:42:32,542
I'm a former Disney Channel
celebrity
848
00:42:32,708 --> 00:42:35,124
turned adult entertainer.
849
00:42:35,125 --> 00:42:36,666
That's a thing.
850
00:42:38,875 --> 00:42:40,832
Celebrities
are taking to OnlyFans,
851
00:42:40,833 --> 00:42:43,375
I think because
there's an ease of usage,
852
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:46,041
there's less of a stigma
about doing OnlyFans.
853
00:42:46,042 --> 00:42:47,999
People are crazy.
They screen grab.
854
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,750
They screenshot.
It's going to live forever.
855
00:42:50,875 --> 00:42:54,791
I've had a lot of time
to fully comprehend
856
00:42:54,792 --> 00:42:56,375
that this is gonna have
long-lasting repercussions
857
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:57,999
on the rest of my life.
858
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,999
The decisions I'm making today
will affect me forever.
70509
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