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We live in an era
of celebrity scandals.
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Sex sells, especially sex tapes.
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After Kim Kardashian's
tape exploded onto the scene,
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there was a ton of tapes
that followed
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from a ton of different
characters in Hollywood.
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Colin Farrell.
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Nicole kept the tape,
and Colin just assumed
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that she would be honorable
and not do anything with it.
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She starts
tossing the idea around.
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We're gonna take you
to see the tape.
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Put a bandana over my head,
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and I was thrown
in a hatchback of a Honda.
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Drugs, paranoid.
She's flipping out.
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Everything exploded.
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Screech had a porn tape
that I did not watch.
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I was very upset
and very disappointed
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in my friend Dustin,
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and I even asked him,
"Why are you doing it?"
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He says, "Well,
I need to get back out there."
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Montana Fishburne.
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She was straight up being like,
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"I'm doing this to be famous.
This worked for Kim,
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and now it's gonna work
for me."
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So, now it's
a celebrity sex tape broker
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a celebrity sex tape broker.
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And I see this nutty guy with
guns and all kinds of [bleep].
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I'm like, whoa.
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Did you find Nicole?
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Did you find her?
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Look, if you owned this guy,
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you're a bit of a creepozoid, right?
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Like, this is--this is
a little spy camera-y.
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I didn't have this. Yeah. Like--
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Oh. Oh, wait, I did.
I did have this.
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Classic MiniDV camera.
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Oh-hoo-hoo.
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What is a DV?
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In the early 2000s,
new boundaries were set
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around sexuality
and the expression of sex.
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It's okay to explore sex
in art, in entertainment.
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It's okay to explore sex
in your personal space.
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This is
a sexy, sneaky little guy.
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I can definitely imagine
somebody hiding one of these.
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This--This is
definitely something
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you could hide
in the nightstand.
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More and more people
had these kind of cameras,
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and people by this point
are far more comfortable
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with being in front of a camera.
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So many people have access to
technology, filming themselves,
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and they might feel
comfortable having sex on camera
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when things are going well
in their relationship.
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Many people in America
film themselves having sex.
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That's a reality.
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There's nothing inherently wrong
with doing that.
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But in these cases
that we're talking about,
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these celebrity sex tapes,
not everyone was consenting.
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There's a lot of coercion
happening,
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and some of these were
private moments
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that were never intended
to be made public.
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Each time you
start to film, like, a new film,
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you wear--you have
special underpants,
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like good luck underpants?
- I do, darlin'.
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- Can you talk about that?
- Shamrocks, Yeah, pretty simple.
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Colin Farrell is the coolest
person on the planet.
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Colin Farrell had a sex tape?
No, I did not know that.
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You mean to say
that a handsome A-list actor
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has sex with a hot Black chick?
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Tell me more. I'm here for it.
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I don't know anything about
the Colin Farrell sex tape.
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Is that a real thing?
I like him as an actor.
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He's great
in "Banshees of Inisherin."
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I just don't like you no more.
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You do like me.
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You dirty boy. You're such a
little, dirty, Irish little boy.
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In 2003, Colin Farrell
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was coming off
of a run of middling movies.
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In the mid 2000s,
Colin Farrell was a bad boy.
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A bit of a drinker,
bit of a party guy.
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Very popular with the ladies.
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He has had
those eyebrows for ages.
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He was just
a rough and tumble type,
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and I think
he sort of reveled in that.
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He dated Britney Spears
for a hot second.
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Kate Beckinsale,
other celebrities.
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To me at that point,
Colin Farrell
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was absolutely a sex icon.
I was obsessed with him.
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-Colin!
-Colin!
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To your left!
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Colin, to your right!
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He was incredibly attractive.
Yeah.
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I am Nicole Narain.
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Last name's Narain. N-A-R-A-I-N,
and I'm Miss January 2002.
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Nicole Narain, one of the most
beautiful Black women--
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No, let me just rephrase that.
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One of the most beautiful
women in the business.
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Nicole, how are you?
Looking beautiful.
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Nicole Narain,
in the mid aughts--
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she was a Playboy Bunny,
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and she was also
a little bit of an actress.
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You could see her
in an episode of "Mad TV."
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Oh, so you're the guy who wants
to clean the Jacuzzi filter.
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She had minor roles
in "Fear Factor."
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Stay right there, please.
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And she was on an episode
of "Entourage" as well.
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- Be right back on track.
- Thanks, Vince.
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Nicole, bless her heart,
came out from Chicago,
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was a Playmate.
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My name is Candace Smith.
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I'm an author,
a comedian, and producer.
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I'm a lawyer. I'm an actress.
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- You got more kids?
- My girl! She's...
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I'm a [bleep] Renaissance woman.
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And I was
Nicole Narain's wingwoman.
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Flunky, right-hand woman.
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Before I met Nicole,
I knew who she was.
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This beautiful Blasian--
Black-Asian hot creature.
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Was just [bleep] drained of any
life force in her, you know?
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And it's like I feel like
when we connected
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was right when it was
just kind of...
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like, you know,
maybe the night I met her,
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she kind of had
a little bit left,
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and then it just...
and she took me under her wing
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into the Hollywood scene,
the dark side,
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and was kind of this tour guide,
telling me things
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and exposing certain things
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and pushing me
in that direction.
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And we're hot. You know,
everyone wants us everywhere.
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We're at the Playboy Mansion
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in coordinated
lingerie outfits.
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In July of 2002, Nicole Narain
met Colin Farrell
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at a Playboy Mansion party.
- ♪ Hey, hey, hey
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We'd be up
at the Playboy Mansion.
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It was amazing. I mean,
you had Leonardo DiCaprio.
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You had Jim Carrey.
You had Jack Nicholson,
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You had--I mean, big, big,
big stars were up there.
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They're talented and incredible
and ambitious,
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and we're young and beautiful,
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and it just--
match made in heaven.
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It was fun.
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Leonardo bought me toilet paper
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so I could pee
behind a 7-Eleven.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Talk about being at a party
at the Playmate Mansion.
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What's special about a party
at the Playmate Mansion?
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Do you want the sugar-coated
answer or the...
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- Both.
- ...more candid answer?
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Actors just
circulated through there.
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So, if you're the Playmate
of the Month or the Year,
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it's like, boom, you know?
And so Nicole, for a while,
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she was
that hot prize party girl.
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So, now we're in Hollywood
in this scene,
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and you're
popping a lot of pills.
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We're drinking a lot.
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You know, it's like
[bleep] Hep C everywhere.
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It's like nasty, fake tans
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and hair extensions laying
on the ground,
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people [bleep] in the pool.
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You know, it becomes
this haze of party, nightclub,
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Hollywood Hills,
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stay up for three days, crash.
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And Colin collided, and they're
two hot [bleep]. It's exotic.
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They both have this, like,
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bad girl, bad boy thing
going on.
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But I feel like
they had a real connection.
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They only dated
for a few months.
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They decided to make love
on videotape.
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The video
between Colin and Nicole Narain
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was a private video.
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They were both aware
that the video was being made.
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They both participated happily.
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The sex tape is hot. I remember
wishing it was better quality.
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Uh, the creative in me.
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I'm like, [bleep].
What the [bleep]?
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Who's holding the camera?
[bleep], why are you shaking?!
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I'm like, the audio. [bleep]!
You know what I mean?
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It's just like,
what the [bleep]?
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You know?
These two hot [bleep].
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What we could have done!
You know?
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Sex, drugs,
rock and roll are fun
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maybe for a night,
maybe two nights.
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But a lifestyle of sex,
drugs, and rock and roll
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isn't realistic for anyone.
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It's not a matter of if
you'll be burned out.
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It's a matter of when
you'll be burned out.
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I feel like
he genuinely loved Nicole,
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but late night parties,
Playmates, hookers, after hours,
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everybody's in everybody's ear,
doing drugs, paranoid.
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She's flipping out. Colin's
distancing himself from her.
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Everything exploded.
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And then they broke up.
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And I think Nicole kept
the tape,
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and Colin just assumed
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that she would be honorable
and not do anything with it.
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But my understanding is
she needed money,
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and she needed money fast.
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So, this property
that she had, the video,
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she made a decision of trying
to market it, trying to sell it.
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And I feel like it just kind of
went in that direction, like,
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"If I'm not good enough for you
to marry or have a baby with,
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then I can at least make
some money and do my thing."
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I think that was kind of
her mentality.
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You know, she starts
tossing the idea around.
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People are talking about it,
you know?
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She's at the parties
in the Hollywood Hills.
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Oh, this person from here talked
to this person, that person.
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It starts expanding.
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And I think
it's just crazy how [bleep] up
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the whole situation got.
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They put a bandana on me.
And I hear,
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"Let me tell you something,
young man. You wanna get hurt?"
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Nicole and I--we were glued
to each other's hip,
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drinking a lot.
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We're doing a lot of
[bleep] blow. There's pills.
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I don't even know what
the [bleep] that is.
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I'm thinking...
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I might have
to get off of this ride.
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I wanted us to go
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in a completely different
direction.
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I contacted
a production company.
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We shot a pilot
for a reality show
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with the two of us,
with me being her manager.
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It could have [bleep]
gone somewhere,
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but then it just started
getting really [bleep] crazy.
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Wow.
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Now this--
this is still used today.
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People are still
using these everywhere.
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Carl Zeiss lens.
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Yeah, there was
a lot of sex tapes made
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with this particular camera.
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Wow. It's just a little bit
bigger than your iPhone.
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I had a situation arise
where I got a call.
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It was very cryptic.
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And the guy says,
"Is this Kevin Blatt? K.B.?"
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I'm like, "Yeah."
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"The celebrity sex tape
broker?"
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I'm like,
"Yeah, how can I help you?"
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"Well, I have an A-list actor
with a B-list model."
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And I said, "Okay,
who are we talking about here?"
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He said, "I can't say.
Can you meet me
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at Mel's Drive-in on Sunset
in two hours?"
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The guy told me he'd be wearing
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an orange John Deere hat
and a parka.
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And when I went there,
I showed up.
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Like, who are you at,
Elmer Fudd?
245
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The guy said,
"Hey, just sit tight.
246
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My partner's coming.
Order some cheesecake.
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He'll be right with us."
And I'm like, cheesecake?
248
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I'm lactose-intolerant.
Like, I don't eat cheesecake.
249
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And the guy showed up.
250
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He looks at me and he goes,
"Look, it's Colin Farrell,
251
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and he's with a Playmate
named Nicole Narain."
252
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They go,
"We want $1.2 million for it."
253
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And I said,
"Wow, that's interesting."
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So, he leans over.
255
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He goes, "Listen, we're gonna
take you to see the tape."
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They put a bandana
over my head,
257
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and I was thrown
in a hatchback of a Honda
258
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and driven up Sunset Plaza.
259
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It was like this
big, old Hollywood house.
260
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And I walked in,
they popped this tape in,
261
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and there was Colin Farrell,
262
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and he was naked,
and he was smoking a cigarette,
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holding a Guinness beer.
264
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And you see the schlong,
and you're like, [bleep].
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Does he breathe
through that thing?
266
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I'm like, "Okay, I'm gonna
make a couple calls for you."
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I go home. I start making
my phone calls,
268
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and the next day I get a call.
269
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And I hear,
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"Let me tell you something,
young man. You wanna get hurt?"
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I go, "Who is this?"
272
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He goes,
"This is David Hans Schmidt.
273
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You're trying to--
to step on my turf, bro.
274
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And I got them a deal
with that Colin Farrell tape,
275
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and you better back off,
or you're gonna get hurt."
276
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And then I Google this guy,
277
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and I see
this nutty guy with guns
278
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and all kinds of [bleep].
I'm like, whoa.
279
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I'm like, okay,
now I just got threatened.
280
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David Hans Schmidt
was a celebrity sex tape broker
281
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based in Phoenix.
282
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David Hans Schmidt was
a larger-than-life character.
283
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He was loud. He would talk.
284
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He loved himself.
285
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America, if you want to see O.J.
Unveiled, okay,
286
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the real, true O.J. Simpson,
287
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go to OJ--badoj.com,
and you'll see it.
288
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He was boastful.
He was energetic.
289
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He was just like a magnetic,
290
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sort of black hole personality
that sucked everything in.
291
00:14:19,958 --> 00:14:21,999
Joe, coming up
next month is a sequel.
292
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O.J. does a sheep.
We call it baa-d OJ.com.
293
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All right, we're gonna
stop it right there.
294
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And he was contacted by
295
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I don't believe it was actually
Nicole Narain directly.
296
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I think it was a friend of hers.
I think she said to her friend,
297
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"Can you help me
find someone to sell this?"
298
00:14:36,125 --> 00:14:38,166
And that got
to David Hans Schmidt.
299
00:14:38,167 --> 00:14:40,291
David Hans Schmidt came up
with a bright idea
300
00:14:40,292 --> 00:14:43,124
of selling and distributing
the videos on the internet.
301
00:14:43,125 --> 00:14:46,332
My client was a company
called Internet Commerce Group,
302
00:14:46,333 --> 00:14:49,207
and the owner of that
was a guy named Sal Abbate.
303
00:14:49,208 --> 00:14:51,791
My client was approached
by David Hans Schmidt to take
304
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content without a license
and put it on a website
305
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and charge money to see it.
306
00:14:56,250 --> 00:14:58,333
He was the guy
before there was me,
307
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there was a guy out there who
was a celebrity sex tape guy.
308
00:15:01,667 --> 00:15:05,624
But what he did was he had
partnered up with Tonya Harding,
309
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Paula Jones, who was embroiled
310
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in this scandal
with Bill Clinton at the time.
311
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He had a bunch of what
I would call "D-lebrities."
312
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So, now it's
a celebrity sex tape broker
313
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versus
a celebrity sex tape broker.
314
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He threatened me,
315
00:15:22,208 --> 00:15:24,332
and that's when I picked up
the phone,
316
00:15:24,333 --> 00:15:29,457
and I looked up CAA, the agency
that represents Farrell,
317
00:15:29,458 --> 00:15:31,916
found his agent,
left a message for him.
318
00:15:31,917 --> 00:15:34,332
The next thing you know,
I'm on a conference call.
319
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He's calling
his agent, manager, lawyers.
320
00:15:36,917 --> 00:15:38,833
There's probably
six people on a call.
321
00:15:38,958 --> 00:15:41,833
He was in Miami filming
"Miami Vice" at the time.
322
00:15:41,958 --> 00:15:43,832
They get me on the phone,
and I basically say,
323
00:15:43,833 --> 00:15:45,208
"Okay, Mr. Farrell,
this is the situation.
324
00:15:45,375 --> 00:15:46,832
Do you remember filming
the movie 'Daredevil'
325
00:15:46,833 --> 00:15:48,832
out in Los Angeles
in this year?"
326
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Says, "Yeah."
327
00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:52,000
"Do you remember linking up
with a woman
328
00:15:52,167 --> 00:15:54,791
who was a former Playmate--
329
00:15:54,792 --> 00:15:56,374
Black girl by the name
of Nicole Narain?"
330
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And the whole conversation
gets quiet,
331
00:16:00,125 --> 00:16:02,666
and then I hear,
"Oh, for [bleep] sake.
332
00:16:02,667 --> 00:16:04,249
What the [bleep] do I do now?"
333
00:16:04,250 --> 00:16:06,957
Like, "You're gonna hire
this lawyer,
334
00:16:06,958 --> 00:16:08,667
and we're
gonna get you protected.
335
00:16:08,875 --> 00:16:10,249
We're gonna make it go away."
336
00:16:10,250 --> 00:16:13,791
And that's how I kind of
got into this journey
337
00:16:13,792 --> 00:16:15,666
of working on
the other side of the desk.
338
00:16:15,667 --> 00:16:18,082
What that really means
is kind of a Hollywood fixer.
339
00:16:18,083 --> 00:16:20,417
I make bad things
go away for celebrities
340
00:16:20,542 --> 00:16:22,457
and people that are powerful
in this town.
341
00:16:22,458 --> 00:16:24,541
Colin Farrell filed a lawsuit
when he found out
342
00:16:24,542 --> 00:16:26,125
that his ex-girlfriend had
their sex tape
343
00:16:26,250 --> 00:16:28,124
and was trying to sell it.
344
00:16:38,208 --> 00:16:40,042
Colin Farrell was represented
by a very famous lawyer
345
00:16:40,167 --> 00:16:41,707
named Marty Singer.
346
00:16:41,708 --> 00:16:44,541
So, his number one goal was,
"Let's keep this under wraps."
347
00:16:44,542 --> 00:16:46,416
He wanted an injunction.
He wanted the court to order
348
00:16:46,417 --> 00:16:48,375
that nobody was allowed
to see this video.
349
00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:50,291
No one was
allowed to distribute it.
350
00:16:50,292 --> 00:16:52,374
His main focus was
just keeping this toothpaste
351
00:16:52,375 --> 00:16:54,500
in the tube,
keeping the genie in the bottle.
352
00:16:54,667 --> 00:16:55,833
And the interesting thing
about the Colin Farrell tape--
353
00:16:55,958 --> 00:16:57,332
my client never bought it.
354
00:16:57,333 --> 00:17:00,124
My client was merely approached
by David Hans Schmidt,
355
00:17:00,125 --> 00:17:03,499
because David Hans Schmidt
essentially communicated,
356
00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:06,791
"Hey, you have a website.
Do you want to buy this tape?"
357
00:17:06,792 --> 00:17:08,708
That was
the entirety of what occurred.
358
00:17:08,833 --> 00:17:09,917
And then Colin Farrell sued.
359
00:17:10,042 --> 00:17:11,999
David Hans Schmidt--
he was a hustler.
360
00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,541
He was an absolute
natural born hustler.
361
00:17:14,542 --> 00:17:16,333
And I don't know
if he was any good at it,
362
00:17:16,458 --> 00:17:18,249
to be honest with you.
I actually recall flying
363
00:17:18,250 --> 00:17:20,624
out here, um, to L.A. with him.
364
00:17:20,625 --> 00:17:22,000
He wanted to approach
365
00:17:22,125 --> 00:17:23,832
Colin Farrell's lawyers
and negotiate.
366
00:17:23,833 --> 00:17:25,957
I remember
I took a picture of him.
367
00:17:25,958 --> 00:17:27,750
He had a bowl
that he filled with lemons,
368
00:17:27,917 --> 00:17:30,832
and he wrote, like,
"Colin and Nicole,"
369
00:17:30,833 --> 00:17:32,332
and he used it as a prop
370
00:17:32,333 --> 00:17:35,332
to go to Colin Farrell's
lawyer's office in Century City
371
00:17:35,333 --> 00:17:38,374
and said, "Let's make lemonade.
We've got lemons."
372
00:17:38,375 --> 00:17:40,708
And he was just that kind of--
he thought it was funny.
373
00:17:42,667 --> 00:17:44,499
When a new lawsuit's filed,
you always meet with a client
374
00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:46,249
and you say,
"Okay, what's your strategy?
375
00:17:46,250 --> 00:17:47,875
What do you wanna do?
What's your goal?
376
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,375
Do you wanna fight this
377
00:17:49,500 --> 00:17:50,791
and get a lot of media attention
out of it?
378
00:17:50,792 --> 00:17:52,082
Do you wanna try
to quietly settle?
379
00:17:52,083 --> 00:17:55,291
As it turns out, my client
was very happy to fight,
380
00:17:55,292 --> 00:17:57,291
did not wanna settle,
381
00:17:57,292 --> 00:17:58,667
wanted to get some
media attention out of it,
382
00:17:58,792 --> 00:18:01,291
because that can be more
valuable than the legal fees.
383
00:18:01,292 --> 00:18:02,499
My client was trying
to make money and was--
384
00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:04,541
and was trying to do it
above board legally.
385
00:18:04,542 --> 00:18:08,374
Nicole Narain was part of
the Colin Farrell case as well,
386
00:18:08,375 --> 00:18:10,166
but I didn't represent
Nicole Narain.
387
00:18:10,167 --> 00:18:12,999
She was not my client,
so she had her own attorney.
388
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,332
Nicole named me as
389
00:18:17,333 --> 00:18:22,832
one of her advisors
that was counseling her
390
00:18:22,833 --> 00:18:26,166
and procuring the sex tape.
391
00:18:26,167 --> 00:18:30,832
And the fact that I have
a law degree from Northwestern
392
00:18:30,833 --> 00:18:34,957
gave my role in the debacle
393
00:18:34,958 --> 00:18:38,416
a heightened sense
from everyone.
394
00:18:38,417 --> 00:18:40,332
So, everyone is looking at it
395
00:18:40,333 --> 00:18:44,582
as though it's this savvy,
you know, Northwestern grad
396
00:18:44,583 --> 00:18:47,708
behind the scenes,
like the puppet master,
397
00:18:47,875 --> 00:18:51,124
the mastermind, like, "Oh, yeah,
I'll tell you what we'll do."
398
00:18:51,125 --> 00:18:52,791
But in reality, it's like...
399
00:18:55,458 --> 00:18:58,957
...I was not of...
clear mind and state.
400
00:18:58,958 --> 00:19:03,832
You're talking about, like,
a drugged out model and actress
401
00:19:03,833 --> 00:19:07,542
that's doing music video jobs
and laying on Nicole's bed
402
00:19:07,667 --> 00:19:11,999
and doing lines of blow
that is "giving advice."
403
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,208
♪ Blowing out speakers
in your mind ♪
404
00:19:15,625 --> 00:19:17,624
♪ Blowing out speakers
in your... ♪
405
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,375
♪ Blowing out speakers
in your mind ♪
406
00:19:29,583 --> 00:19:33,249
My boss, Maria Speth, and I flew
out to New York with my client,
407
00:19:33,250 --> 00:19:35,916
and we met Colin Farrell at
a law firm in a conference room
408
00:19:35,917 --> 00:19:37,874
on Easter Sunday.
409
00:19:37,875 --> 00:19:39,707
During Colin Farrell's
deposition,
410
00:19:39,708 --> 00:19:42,750
he, through his lawyer,
was trying to make an argument
411
00:19:42,875 --> 00:19:44,916
that this would be
so devastating to his career.
412
00:19:44,917 --> 00:19:47,624
But then he was just in
some movie where he was playing
413
00:19:47,625 --> 00:19:50,207
a guy that was
exactly this kind of guy.
414
00:19:50,208 --> 00:19:52,541
So, does it really
hurt your career that much?
415
00:19:52,542 --> 00:19:54,416
Our job was
to kind of attack him.
416
00:19:54,417 --> 00:19:56,416
In fact, I remember
preparing for it
417
00:19:56,417 --> 00:19:58,291
and going over
his Rotten Tomatoes page,
418
00:19:58,292 --> 00:20:00,500
going over all his old movies.
419
00:20:00,625 --> 00:20:03,457
And we were trying to emphasize
the point that
420
00:20:03,458 --> 00:20:05,416
the sex tape was not
that out of character
421
00:20:05,417 --> 00:20:07,416
for what he was known for.
422
00:20:07,417 --> 00:20:10,582
And we were trying to show that
if this video got out there,
423
00:20:10,583 --> 00:20:14,999
it wouldn't be devastating
to him.
424
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,666
After a couple of hours of back
and forth in this deposition,
425
00:20:18,667 --> 00:20:21,374
I think both sides just said,
"Why are we doing this?"
426
00:20:21,375 --> 00:20:24,375
Colin Farrell
was a really nice guy.
427
00:20:24,542 --> 00:20:26,374
And I think that was
part of him being Irish.
428
00:20:26,375 --> 00:20:27,875
I think that was part of him
being just a gentleman.
429
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,666
He was a gentleman.
430
00:20:29,667 --> 00:20:33,791
He emphasized over and over
again, this is just private.
431
00:20:33,792 --> 00:20:37,042
This is just not something that
he intended the world to see.
432
00:20:37,167 --> 00:20:39,332
And it's pretty hard
to look a guy in the eye
433
00:20:39,333 --> 00:20:42,666
and say, "I don't--I don't care
that you feel that way."
434
00:20:42,667 --> 00:20:45,332
He had a right to feel that way.
It was his privacy.
435
00:20:45,333 --> 00:20:48,000
So, I think we kind of broke
Colin Farrell down a little bit,
436
00:20:48,125 --> 00:20:49,582
and I think
he kind of broke us down.
437
00:20:49,583 --> 00:20:53,957
Maria Speth and Marty Singer
went into a closet--
438
00:20:53,958 --> 00:20:55,499
literally in a closet.
439
00:20:55,500 --> 00:20:57,375
They chatted
for about 10 minutes,
440
00:20:57,500 --> 00:20:59,541
and everyone was
sort of whispering.
441
00:20:59,542 --> 00:21:03,167
They came back and an agreement
was reached to just settle.
442
00:21:03,292 --> 00:21:05,166
And Colin Farrell did yell
at me, by the way,
443
00:21:05,167 --> 00:21:06,916
in the middle of the depo,
444
00:21:06,917 --> 00:21:10,333
because outside the building
there were a bunch of paparazzi.
445
00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:12,832
And he wanted to know
if I had leaked the location
446
00:21:12,833 --> 00:21:14,582
because nobody knew
the location of the depo
447
00:21:14,583 --> 00:21:16,292
on Easter Sunday, of all things.
448
00:21:16,417 --> 00:21:18,333
I'm not gonna try and do
his Irish accent.
449
00:21:18,458 --> 00:21:22,541
Gingras, did you do it, man?
450
00:21:22,542 --> 00:21:28,666
Yeah. No, no, I did--No.
I-I lied to you. Um...
451
00:21:28,667 --> 00:21:31,207
The media wanted to know
about this deposition,
452
00:21:31,208 --> 00:21:33,042
wanted to know where it was,
453
00:21:33,167 --> 00:21:34,999
and my client wanted
the publicity.
454
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,124
And it was sort of like,
455
00:21:37,125 --> 00:21:38,750
"Hey, well,
if we tell you where it is,
456
00:21:38,875 --> 00:21:40,999
can you drop our web address
in the story?"
457
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,999
And so, um, I was--I was asked
whether that was permitted
458
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,999
to release that information,
and there was no court order
459
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,791
or other reason not
to release it, so I approved it.
460
00:21:50,792 --> 00:21:53,541
I didn't do it myself,
but I approved it.
461
00:21:53,542 --> 00:21:56,791
But Colin Farrell was
absolutely sure I did it.
462
00:21:59,792 --> 00:22:03,291
In April of 2006,
Nicole Narain and Colin Farrell
463
00:22:03,292 --> 00:22:05,500
actually came
to an amicable settlement
464
00:22:05,625 --> 00:22:08,291
and reached a deal
in the suit over the video.
465
00:22:08,292 --> 00:22:09,582
We just don't know what
466
00:22:09,583 --> 00:22:11,249
the details
of that settlement were,
467
00:22:11,250 --> 00:22:13,499
but we do know
that it was never
468
00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:16,541
formally placed on DVD
or came out on VHS.
469
00:22:21,417 --> 00:22:23,207
I heard through the grapevine
that Colin ended up,
470
00:22:23,208 --> 00:22:25,332
I think, paying them
a million dollars
471
00:22:25,333 --> 00:22:28,875
to have it not go up
on the celebrity website.
472
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,041
But as you know...
473
00:22:35,292 --> 00:22:36,999
...you can't un-ring a bell.
474
00:22:39,583 --> 00:22:40,957
The tape did eventually get out.
475
00:22:40,958 --> 00:22:45,457
My recollection is
a website called Dirty Colin,
476
00:22:45,458 --> 00:22:47,832
and they said, you know, "We're
about to release this tape.
477
00:22:47,833 --> 00:22:50,124
Sign up here if you wanna
buy it" or whatever.
478
00:22:53,417 --> 00:22:55,957
Colin Farrell--that is
a very memorable sex tape
479
00:22:55,958 --> 00:22:58,499
because it was the first time
I saw one of those online.
480
00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:00,208
I don't know if it was ever
pressed on DVD,
481
00:23:00,333 --> 00:23:01,832
but you didn't need the DVD
482
00:23:01,833 --> 00:23:04,457
'cause it was short,
and it was to the point.
483
00:23:04,458 --> 00:23:06,166
It's a fun tape, you know?
484
00:23:06,167 --> 00:23:09,542
He's really kind, and he is
really enthusiastic.
485
00:23:09,708 --> 00:23:12,249
He was very enthusiastic
about the oral pleasure
486
00:23:12,250 --> 00:23:14,417
that he was
going to perform on her.
487
00:23:14,542 --> 00:23:16,166
And there's a really
famous line from the video,
488
00:23:16,167 --> 00:23:18,041
uh, where he says...
489
00:23:18,042 --> 00:23:19,457
"I could eat that [bleep]
490
00:23:19,458 --> 00:23:21,166
for breakfast, lunch
and [bleep] dinner."
491
00:23:21,167 --> 00:23:22,999
And I will never forget that.
492
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,708
I wasn't like a prude,
but I, like, wasn't
493
00:23:24,833 --> 00:23:26,624
super, you know,
sexually experienced at all.
494
00:23:26,625 --> 00:23:30,666
Like, that was mind-blowing
to me.
495
00:23:30,667 --> 00:23:32,457
And I think for that reason,
496
00:23:32,458 --> 00:23:34,624
that tape kind of became
this big discussion topic.
497
00:23:34,625 --> 00:23:36,832
It is even now. You can even
find columns about it
498
00:23:36,833 --> 00:23:38,832
that women have written
where they say
499
00:23:38,833 --> 00:23:41,000
he became a little bit
of this symbol
500
00:23:41,125 --> 00:23:43,457
of what sex should be like,
501
00:23:43,458 --> 00:23:45,791
which also goes to show
the impact of sex tapes,
502
00:23:45,792 --> 00:23:47,874
that it can go
in that direction, too,
503
00:23:47,875 --> 00:23:51,499
where people will take it,
not unlike porn, as educational,
504
00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:52,999
which isn't great generally.
505
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,749
What was most surprising
to me about this video
506
00:23:54,750 --> 00:23:59,500
was the fact that the woman
in the video was a Black woman.
507
00:23:59,625 --> 00:24:01,832
And that was actually
very, very shocking to me.
508
00:24:01,833 --> 00:24:04,416
Here I am. I'm a teenage girl.
509
00:24:04,417 --> 00:24:07,791
To see that this celebrity,
Colin Farrell,
510
00:24:07,792 --> 00:24:11,707
who I had this huge crush on,
would actually, like, deign
511
00:24:11,708 --> 00:24:15,249
to date and, like,
be with a Black woman
512
00:24:15,250 --> 00:24:18,999
and not just, like, see her,
but also, like, engage in--
513
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,833
in sex with her, was a very,
very big deal for me.
514
00:24:24,625 --> 00:24:28,583
Some--well, it only--it only
could have been Nicole Narain.
515
00:24:28,708 --> 00:24:30,042
It could have
been David Hans Schmidt.
516
00:24:30,167 --> 00:24:32,458
It could have been my client,
if he lied about doing it,
517
00:24:32,583 --> 00:24:34,666
He swore under oath
that he didn't.
518
00:24:34,667 --> 00:24:36,041
Um, it could have been
Colin Farrell's lawyer.
519
00:24:36,042 --> 00:24:37,999
It could have been me, actually.
520
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,042
Now that you think about it,
it could have been me.
521
00:24:40,167 --> 00:24:41,624
It wasn't me.
I didn't do it.
522
00:24:41,625 --> 00:24:44,791
I swear under oath,
I did not release the tape.
523
00:24:44,792 --> 00:24:46,374
No.
524
00:24:46,375 --> 00:24:49,874
Once the settlement had been
reached, it kind of seemed like
525
00:24:49,875 --> 00:24:52,500
maybe there wasn't so much
bad blood between the two.
526
00:24:52,625 --> 00:24:54,957
Nicole Narain actually gave
an interview
527
00:24:54,958 --> 00:24:58,041
to "People" Magazine
where she seemed very, like,
528
00:24:58,042 --> 00:25:00,541
tongue in cheek, sort of
a wink and a nod towards it.
529
00:25:00,542 --> 00:25:03,624
She said maybe
they would make another tape.
530
00:25:10,167 --> 00:25:14,082
Colin Farrell--he did
give one interview in 2008
531
00:25:14,083 --> 00:25:17,207
where he doesn't really go
into detail or anything,
532
00:25:17,208 --> 00:25:18,916
but he does talk a little bit
533
00:25:18,917 --> 00:25:22,500
about what the experience
of the deposition, uh,
534
00:25:22,625 --> 00:25:24,707
to get to the settlement
was like.
535
00:25:24,708 --> 00:25:26,457
It seemed like a good idea at
the time--two adults having fun.
536
00:25:26,458 --> 00:25:28,041
Ooh, a video camera, you know.
537
00:25:28,042 --> 00:25:29,333
Nothing wrong with that.
538
00:25:29,458 --> 00:25:30,708
No, there wasn't anything
wrong with that.
539
00:25:30,875 --> 00:25:32,332
As long as you don't let the
tape get into the wrong hands,
540
00:25:32,333 --> 00:25:34,124
Well, that's it, and at the end
of the deposition, the man that
541
00:25:34,125 --> 00:25:36,124
was in charge said, "Well,
you've learned your lesson,
542
00:25:36,125 --> 00:25:37,542
I hope, Mr. Farrell." And I
said, "Absolutely. Next time
543
00:25:37,667 --> 00:25:40,332
I take the tape with me."
544
00:25:40,333 --> 00:25:44,332
Colin Farrell's career continues
going, obviously deservedly so.
545
00:25:44,333 --> 00:25:46,457
The man was just nominated
for an Oscar.
546
00:25:46,458 --> 00:25:48,291
And even now,
when we talk about Colin's tape,
547
00:25:48,292 --> 00:25:50,124
it's mostly positive.
548
00:25:50,125 --> 00:25:54,000
And if we talk about Nicole,
we never heard from her again.
549
00:25:54,125 --> 00:25:56,749
She hasn't had a career
that proliferated like his.
550
00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:59,207
Did you find Nicole?
551
00:25:59,208 --> 00:26:00,792
Did you find her?
552
00:26:08,750 --> 00:26:09,916
When a white woman
does a sex tape, it's--
553
00:26:09,917 --> 00:26:13,666
the--the--the arms
of mainstream media--
554
00:26:13,667 --> 00:26:16,333
they open up wide.
You're on E! Entertainment.
555
00:26:16,458 --> 00:26:17,666
And I'm not saying
that they shouldn't.
556
00:26:17,667 --> 00:26:19,291
I'm just saying,
can that be extended
557
00:26:19,292 --> 00:26:21,957
across all color lines?
558
00:26:21,958 --> 00:26:24,042
You know, like, I just-
I just hate that,
559
00:26:24,167 --> 00:26:27,374
when a-a-a Black woman does
the same thing as a white woman,
560
00:26:27,375 --> 00:26:31,416
it just--a lot of times,
it gets deemed... so low class.
561
00:26:31,417 --> 00:26:34,417
Why was this Black woman
not able to do what
562
00:26:34,542 --> 00:26:36,416
a Kim Kardashian was able to do?
563
00:26:36,417 --> 00:26:38,291
There is very much
a double standard
564
00:26:38,292 --> 00:26:40,332
for Black women in media.
565
00:26:40,333 --> 00:26:42,957
She's doing more and more drugs.
566
00:26:42,958 --> 00:26:46,957
She's distancing herself
from me and becoming--
567
00:26:46,958 --> 00:26:49,791
like, she's going farther
and farther to the dark side.
568
00:26:49,792 --> 00:26:51,916
And I'm like,
what the [bleep] is going on?
569
00:26:51,917 --> 00:26:55,624
As I recall, she was having
disruptive relationships
570
00:26:55,625 --> 00:26:57,999
with sexual compulsions
571
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,042
that was beginning
to have consequences.
572
00:27:00,167 --> 00:27:01,582
And there was suspicion
573
00:27:01,583 --> 00:27:04,042
of maybe some other substances
involved as well.
574
00:27:04,167 --> 00:27:07,542
She's watching her back.
She's, like, looking for cars.
575
00:27:07,667 --> 00:27:10,667
She's, like, freaking
the [bleep] out, you know?
576
00:27:10,792 --> 00:27:12,832
And then you mix in the drugs,
the alcohol,
577
00:27:12,833 --> 00:27:13,999
and it just got to the point
where I was like,
578
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,041
"Dude, I can't even
[bleep] be around you.
579
00:27:17,042 --> 00:27:19,832
Like, this is some
weird-ass [bleep], you know?"
580
00:27:19,833 --> 00:27:21,749
So, I started pulling back.
581
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:24,332
How bad did
your addiction get, Nicole?
582
00:27:24,333 --> 00:27:26,874
I remember
after the tape came out,
583
00:27:26,875 --> 00:27:30,416
Nicole did a lot of work
on the reality show circuit.
584
00:27:30,417 --> 00:27:34,291
I don't want this to dictate,
really, my life or who I am,
585
00:27:34,292 --> 00:27:36,332
but I really feel like
I am a beautiful disaster.
586
00:27:36,333 --> 00:27:40,542
Nicole Narain was a young woman
who, um, was concerned
587
00:27:40,667 --> 00:27:42,167
that her behaviors
were getting out of control.
588
00:27:42,292 --> 00:27:44,541
She was my patient.
589
00:27:44,542 --> 00:27:48,457
At the time,
she was relatively quiet,
590
00:27:48,458 --> 00:27:50,666
sort of lovely,
like a lovely person.
591
00:27:50,667 --> 00:27:51,957
I had heard
there was a sex tape.
592
00:27:51,958 --> 00:27:53,707
I don't remember her
even talking about it
593
00:27:53,708 --> 00:27:55,917
in her sessions, frankly.
594
00:27:56,042 --> 00:27:59,791
But I remember
her feeling exploited.
595
00:27:59,792 --> 00:28:01,624
I remember
she was concerned about that,
596
00:28:01,625 --> 00:28:03,666
that she had
a certain amount of shame.
597
00:28:03,667 --> 00:28:05,042
She would talk about shame
598
00:28:05,167 --> 00:28:07,124
in some of the choices
she had made.
599
00:28:07,125 --> 00:28:08,874
That [bleep] got
shut down so quickly,
600
00:28:08,875 --> 00:28:11,041
and you never heard
of her again.
601
00:28:12,833 --> 00:28:14,832
Nicole disappeared,
602
00:28:14,833 --> 00:28:17,291
and I was always
gravely concerned about that.
603
00:28:17,292 --> 00:28:18,499
I said, "Nicole, you know what?
604
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:20,082
You got this much money
in the safe.
605
00:28:20,083 --> 00:28:22,750
Like, you could just
go back home to Chicago.
606
00:28:22,875 --> 00:28:25,750
You could do this, this,
and this."
607
00:28:25,875 --> 00:28:27,541
But you gotta think about it.
Like, how do you do that?
608
00:28:30,833 --> 00:28:34,291
How do you go from that to...
609
00:28:34,292 --> 00:28:35,666
regular life?
610
00:28:37,292 --> 00:28:40,916
You know? So, now I become
a bank teller back home,
611
00:28:40,917 --> 00:28:43,916
and everyone sees me
when I walk in and the shame?
612
00:28:43,917 --> 00:28:47,333
I'd rather just be
in the darkness and disappear.
613
00:28:48,583 --> 00:28:50,833
Did you find Nicole?
614
00:28:51,917 --> 00:28:54,124
Did you find her?
615
00:29:02,958 --> 00:29:06,457
If--If Nicole was watching this,
616
00:29:06,458 --> 00:29:10,332
what I would wanna say is,
617
00:29:10,333 --> 00:29:12,832
[bleep] from the past
doesn't have to weigh you down
618
00:29:12,833 --> 00:29:14,666
until the day you die.
619
00:29:14,667 --> 00:29:16,667
It's up to you to say,
"[bleep] the world"
620
00:29:16,792 --> 00:29:19,666
and--and build it back up.
You know what I mean?
621
00:29:19,667 --> 00:29:21,166
That's what I would tell Nicole.
622
00:29:25,833 --> 00:29:27,957
I think what was interesting
623
00:29:27,958 --> 00:29:30,167
about this particular tape
with Colin Farrell
624
00:29:30,333 --> 00:29:32,332
was that it really did
magnify his brand.
625
00:29:32,333 --> 00:29:34,624
But there was a point in time
where sex tapes
626
00:29:34,625 --> 00:29:36,832
just became a little ridiculous.
627
00:29:36,833 --> 00:29:38,667
So, when social media
started blowing up,
628
00:29:38,792 --> 00:29:40,707
and it was able
to help these videos travel
629
00:29:40,708 --> 00:29:43,667
and, um, become trending topics,
630
00:29:43,792 --> 00:29:46,332
a lot of that had to do
with the cringe factor.
631
00:29:46,333 --> 00:29:47,999
If it's something that
stands out as a little bit odd,
632
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,667
that's what
you're gonna pull at,
633
00:29:49,792 --> 00:29:51,167
and that's what
you're gonna talk about.
634
00:29:55,042 --> 00:29:57,124
Screech had a sex tape?
635
00:29:57,125 --> 00:29:59,083
First of all, who the [bleep]...
636
00:29:59,208 --> 00:30:03,999
asked Dustin Diamond
for a sex tape?
637
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,457
Yeah, the Dustin Diamond tape
was shopped to me originally.
638
00:30:06,458 --> 00:30:09,332
I thought it was grotesque.
639
00:30:09,333 --> 00:30:11,500
My name is Lizette Santiago.
640
00:30:11,625 --> 00:30:16,707
I am an actor, voiceover actor,
host, performer all around,
641
00:30:16,708 --> 00:30:20,749
and I was a dear friend
of Dustin Diamond.
642
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:24,166
Dustin Diamond was
a well-known actor
643
00:30:24,167 --> 00:30:26,542
who was on a TV show
for a very long time
644
00:30:26,667 --> 00:30:28,042
called "Saved by the Bell."
645
00:30:28,167 --> 00:30:31,083
And Dustin was on that show
for many, many years.
646
00:30:31,208 --> 00:30:34,082
He was on that show
even when it was a pilot.
647
00:30:34,083 --> 00:30:36,041
He was also the most,
for me personally,
648
00:30:36,042 --> 00:30:37,499
relatable character--
649
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:39,375
the dork that, like,
hangs out with the cool dudes.
650
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:41,166
And so you can be a dork
651
00:30:41,167 --> 00:30:43,124
and still be, like,
popular with that.
652
00:30:43,125 --> 00:30:44,499
Okay, so when do we start?
653
00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:47,124
Well, tonight,
but it has to be at my place.
654
00:30:47,125 --> 00:30:49,374
I'm not allowed out after "Alf."
655
00:30:50,875 --> 00:30:53,832
He never wanted me
to call him "Screech," ever.
656
00:30:53,833 --> 00:30:55,374
I did it one time,
and he was like,
657
00:30:55,375 --> 00:30:57,167
"Don't ever call me Screech
again." I was like, "Why?"
658
00:30:57,292 --> 00:31:00,083
He's like, "Because my friends
don't call me Screech.
659
00:31:00,208 --> 00:31:02,000
They can call me Screech.
You can't."
660
00:31:02,125 --> 00:31:04,499
And I said, "Okay, well,
Dustin's too long.
661
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:06,374
Can I call you Dust?"
662
00:31:06,375 --> 00:31:08,124
Dustin, for a while,
663
00:31:08,125 --> 00:31:09,957
wanted to try and separate
himself from his character.
664
00:31:09,958 --> 00:31:12,000
And each attempt he made at fame
665
00:31:12,125 --> 00:31:14,332
did make him more of a "joke."
666
00:31:14,333 --> 00:31:18,082
He did a lot of work on a lot
of sleazy reality shows.
667
00:31:18,083 --> 00:31:20,207
I'm not a little pipsqueak
like most people would expect.
668
00:31:20,208 --> 00:31:22,332
I mean, on TV,
I'm only that big.
669
00:31:22,333 --> 00:31:25,583
Dustin wanted to move on.
He wanted to try something else
670
00:31:25,708 --> 00:31:27,374
other than living the life
of Screech
671
00:31:27,375 --> 00:31:29,082
from "Saved by the Bell."
672
00:31:29,083 --> 00:31:32,624
He wanted to do stand-up comedy,
and he wanted to do movies.
673
00:31:32,625 --> 00:31:36,166
But I don't think
anybody else took him seriously.
674
00:31:36,167 --> 00:31:37,999
How many
people came out tonight
675
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,541
specifically to relive some old
"Saved by the Bell" memories?
676
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,166
You guys are gonna be
really [bleep] disappointed.
677
00:31:45,167 --> 00:31:47,749
It's tough for people
who grew up as child stars.
678
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:51,499
They'll take a lot of, um, aim
at whatever they can hang on to.
679
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:53,999
Trying to make it in stand-up,
it was just another thing
680
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,624
that kind of made him
a little bit of a sad story.
681
00:31:57,625 --> 00:32:00,874
And people hadn't been talking
about Dustin Diamond for years,
682
00:32:00,875 --> 00:32:03,707
and all of a sudden,
he made sex tape of his own.
683
00:32:03,708 --> 00:32:05,624
Yeah. Joke's on you, Jack.
684
00:32:05,625 --> 00:32:08,542
- Nobody's gonna touch this.
- People were very disturbed.
685
00:32:14,458 --> 00:32:15,292
That wasn't a joke.
I'm like, that close
686
00:32:15,708 --> 00:32:16,500
from tackling my own grandma.
It's embarrassing,
687
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,792
is what it is.
- Like, my friend Dustin?
688
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:23,999
There was a point where
he had some problems paying,
689
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,832
you know, his mortgage.
690
00:32:25,833 --> 00:32:28,291
He was trying to make money
to save his house
691
00:32:28,292 --> 00:32:30,833
'cause he was on the cusp
of losing it.
692
00:32:30,958 --> 00:32:32,667
He started selling T-shirts
693
00:32:32,792 --> 00:32:34,250
that said,
"Save Screech's House,"
694
00:32:34,375 --> 00:32:37,416
which only concerned the fans
that he did have,
695
00:32:37,417 --> 00:32:41,374
and, again, made his behavior
increasingly questionable.
696
00:32:41,375 --> 00:32:44,291
There was an instance
when Dustin
697
00:32:44,292 --> 00:32:46,166
had stabbed someone
outside of a bar,
698
00:32:46,167 --> 00:32:47,499
and he was arrested for that.
699
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:50,124
He had to always be safe,
700
00:32:50,125 --> 00:32:51,708
because the--the truth
of the matter is
701
00:32:51,833 --> 00:32:55,832
people would sometimes try to
attack him or try to insult him.
702
00:32:55,833 --> 00:32:58,416
All right, tell me
about the porn video.
703
00:32:58,417 --> 00:33:00,541
You told Oprah
that the porn video is one--
704
00:33:00,542 --> 00:33:02,000
one of your biggest regrets.
705
00:33:02,125 --> 00:33:05,082
So, while Dustin, um,
reveals to Oprah
706
00:33:05,083 --> 00:33:07,207
that he thought that
he could maybe, um, cash out
707
00:33:07,208 --> 00:33:09,083
by making his own tape.
708
00:33:09,208 --> 00:33:11,957
My buddy said,
"Where's a Screech sex tape?
709
00:33:11,958 --> 00:33:13,791
You got to be worth
at least a million."
710
00:33:13,792 --> 00:33:16,083
And I thought, yeah.
711
00:33:17,667 --> 00:33:19,457
Yeah, maybe.
712
00:33:19,458 --> 00:33:22,499
When I heard about the sex tape,
I like, everybody else,
713
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:26,499
found out when it came out,
and I was embarrassed.
714
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:28,082
He never told me about it.
715
00:33:28,083 --> 00:33:29,374
He never told me
he was creating it.
716
00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:32,541
He never asked my advice,
and I know why.
717
00:33:32,542 --> 00:33:34,166
Because if he probably would
have brought that up to me,
718
00:33:34,167 --> 00:33:35,208
I would have been like,
"No, you're not doing that.
719
00:33:35,333 --> 00:33:37,207
Are you stupid? No, come on!"
720
00:33:37,208 --> 00:33:40,499
The sex tape is titled
"Screeched--Saved by the Smell."
721
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:42,208
Terrible title.
722
00:33:42,333 --> 00:33:47,332
There were two unidentified
women in the tape with him.
723
00:33:47,333 --> 00:33:50,333
It was a little grainy.
It was a little discolored.
724
00:33:50,458 --> 00:33:53,541
You couldn't quite tell what
was going on at every moment.
725
00:33:53,542 --> 00:33:55,417
And then I would say
that the other part of it
726
00:33:55,542 --> 00:33:56,917
that was such big news
for everybody
727
00:33:57,042 --> 00:33:59,624
was that it featured
quite a large penis.
728
00:33:59,625 --> 00:34:02,125
I--We talked about it.
You know, I asked him.
729
00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:05,207
I was like, "So..." And he said,
"Oh, there was this guy.
730
00:34:05,208 --> 00:34:07,083
Don't worry, though. It's all,
you know, it's all fake."
731
00:34:07,208 --> 00:34:08,749
I was like, "Yeah,
but everyone's talking
732
00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:13,541
about your, you know, thing,
and they know that it's big."
733
00:34:13,542 --> 00:34:15,582
And I even asked him,
"Why are you doing this?"
734
00:34:15,583 --> 00:34:18,124
He says, "Well,
I need to get back out there.
735
00:34:18,125 --> 00:34:20,999
I want people to see this
side of me."
736
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,499
He wanted attention,
737
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:25,333
but he also wanted to be back
on the map again.
738
00:34:25,458 --> 00:34:26,999
What if that had made
$3 million?
739
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,832
Bye. That's my show.
740
00:34:28,833 --> 00:34:30,207
- Did it make $3 million?
- It did not make $3 million.
741
00:34:30,208 --> 00:34:32,166
- It didn't?
- No.
742
00:34:32,167 --> 00:34:34,082
Yeah. Joke's on you, Jack.
Yeah, no one's--
743
00:34:34,083 --> 00:34:38,124
no one's trying to see
Screech get laid like that.
744
00:34:38,125 --> 00:34:40,249
Nobody's gonna touch this.
745
00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:44,207
Of course there was a sex act
in it--the Dirty Sanchez,
746
00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:47,499
which is the only thing
that the media was able
747
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:49,791
to garner out of that thing
that was worth anything.
748
00:34:49,792 --> 00:34:51,375
The Dustin Diamond thing
749
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:53,582
was about as big a flop
as you could want.
750
00:34:53,583 --> 00:34:56,082
I don't think
that video made 50 bucks.
751
00:34:56,083 --> 00:34:58,666
Dustin Diamond did
eventually reveal to Oprah,
752
00:34:58,667 --> 00:35:01,666
of all people, that it was
a prosthetic penis that he used.
753
00:35:01,667 --> 00:35:05,332
I thought, you know,
I could totally fake this.
754
00:35:05,333 --> 00:35:08,416
I could get a stuntperson
to take my place.
755
00:35:08,417 --> 00:35:10,208
It's my face, but nothing else.
756
00:35:10,333 --> 00:35:11,874
He wasn't actually nude
in the sex tape.
757
00:35:11,875 --> 00:35:15,832
So, you know, so it was not much
of a sex tape in the end.
758
00:35:15,833 --> 00:35:17,457
That makes it even worse.
759
00:35:17,458 --> 00:35:19,957
It's like, "Uh, I'm not in it,
but [bleep] you."
760
00:35:19,958 --> 00:35:24,542
I didn't really do anything,
so it's--I can wander free.
761
00:35:24,667 --> 00:35:26,249
He made this sex tape,
762
00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:27,500
and I don't think
it quite worked out.
763
00:35:27,625 --> 00:35:30,167
He really wasn't ever
anything more than a joke.
764
00:35:30,292 --> 00:35:33,457
Do you know who I am?
Do you have any idea who I am?
765
00:35:33,458 --> 00:35:37,041
You're like, "I have no idea
who that guy is."
766
00:35:37,042 --> 00:35:39,874
He said to me--he's like,
"You know, Lizette,
767
00:35:39,875 --> 00:35:41,874
I wish I had your life."
768
00:35:41,875 --> 00:35:44,416
And I was like, "What,
are you kidding me, Dustin?
769
00:35:44,417 --> 00:35:46,499
You--You were on a show
since you were a kid.
770
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,374
You--you had this money.
You had this. You have fame."
771
00:35:50,375 --> 00:35:52,708
And he's like, "Yeah, but if
I can start my life over again,
772
00:35:52,833 --> 00:35:54,333
I would start fresh."
773
00:35:54,458 --> 00:35:56,499
Dustin Diamond
was hospitalized
774
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:59,499
three weeks ago in Florida.
775
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:03,791
Dustin Diamond passed away in
February 2021 from lung cancer.
776
00:36:03,792 --> 00:36:06,291
When he did die, it wasn't like,
777
00:36:06,292 --> 00:36:08,917
um, if an esteemed celebrity
passes away,
778
00:36:09,042 --> 00:36:11,207
and all these memorials
come out,
779
00:36:11,208 --> 00:36:12,666
and these beautiful obits.
780
00:36:12,667 --> 00:36:15,499
It wasn't that. A lot of it
was really negative.
781
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:18,332
He--He really was
struggling very clearly,
782
00:36:18,333 --> 00:36:21,499
and he died because he had
what's called anosognosia,
783
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:23,166
where you block
what's happening.
784
00:36:23,167 --> 00:36:26,292
You don't see what's going on as
a result of what you're doing.
785
00:36:26,417 --> 00:36:27,999
I mean,
just the fact that he allowed
786
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,832
a tumor to grow that huge
787
00:36:29,833 --> 00:36:33,708
tells you how not connected
he was to his reality.
788
00:36:35,417 --> 00:36:38,750
And it's more evidence
of how people look
789
00:36:38,875 --> 00:36:41,542
at somebody like that and turn
them into a cartoon figure
790
00:36:41,667 --> 00:36:43,832
and not a human being
who is suffering.
791
00:36:48,208 --> 00:36:50,416
When you are involved
in a scandal like this,
792
00:36:50,417 --> 00:36:52,166
it can become your legacy,
793
00:36:52,167 --> 00:36:54,374
and I think that's
really unfortunate because
794
00:36:54,375 --> 00:36:57,207
while a lot of us would like
to just remember him as Screech,
795
00:36:57,208 --> 00:36:59,041
some of us remember him
in a whole other way,
796
00:36:59,042 --> 00:37:02,749
and I don't think
he would have wanted that.
797
00:37:02,750 --> 00:37:06,874
He was so good
about being good to strangers
798
00:37:06,875 --> 00:37:10,707
and other people
and to his friends. Amazing.
799
00:37:10,708 --> 00:37:13,332
Dustin didn't want to h--
800
00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:14,791
Dustin didn't wanna have
his tombstone
801
00:37:14,792 --> 00:37:16,791
because he was afraid
that people were gonna go
802
00:37:16,792 --> 00:37:18,291
and, like, graffiti it up
803
00:37:18,292 --> 00:37:20,582
and--and spit on him
and ridicule him...
804
00:37:20,583 --> 00:37:22,708
and do all this stuff.
805
00:37:24,333 --> 00:37:27,416
It's the saddest thing
to feel that way, you know?
806
00:37:27,417 --> 00:37:29,249
It's the saddest thing
because if people
807
00:37:29,250 --> 00:37:31,332
really knew who he was...
808
00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:34,249
if they really knew
his--his heart and his soul,
809
00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:36,667
and if he accepted it--
his heart and his soul,
810
00:37:36,792 --> 00:37:38,582
things would be
so much different,
811
00:37:38,583 --> 00:37:40,916
and if people would have
given him a chance
812
00:37:40,917 --> 00:37:42,749
to be someone different.
813
00:37:42,750 --> 00:37:45,207
That's the problem
with Hollywood sometimes,
814
00:37:45,208 --> 00:37:48,291
and it's sad that the world
kind of made him out
815
00:37:48,292 --> 00:37:51,333
to look like something
I didn't know.
816
00:38:06,042 --> 00:38:07,499
There was an explosion
of sex tapes in our culture
817
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:09,332
after Kim Kardashian.
818
00:38:09,333 --> 00:38:12,249
I definitely think that there
were people
819
00:38:12,250 --> 00:38:14,624
who wanted to follow Kim
820
00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:17,667
by doing a sex tape
just to become famous.
821
00:38:20,458 --> 00:38:23,166
In 2010,
we had Montana Fishburne.
822
00:38:23,167 --> 00:38:24,708
She's the daughter
of Lawrence Fishburne.
823
00:38:24,833 --> 00:38:28,582
Oh, my God.
So, this is a weird one.
824
00:38:28,583 --> 00:38:33,207
So, Montana Fishburne decided
she wanted to do a sex tape,
825
00:38:33,208 --> 00:38:36,166
and unlike having
a Ray J shoot it,
826
00:38:36,167 --> 00:38:38,499
she decided to do it
commercially
827
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:40,499
and have Vivid shoot it,
828
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,457
where she got paid a lot
of money and made the movie,
829
00:38:43,458 --> 00:38:46,416
and it was well shot.
It was really well done.
830
00:38:46,417 --> 00:38:48,582
Porn. I always wanted to do porn
since I was in high school.
831
00:38:48,583 --> 00:38:50,332
The tape is reportedly set
832
00:38:50,333 --> 00:38:51,707
to be released in August
833
00:38:51,708 --> 00:38:53,707
and differs
from previous sex tapes
834
00:38:53,708 --> 00:38:55,166
in that Fishburne
is not claiming
835
00:38:55,167 --> 00:38:57,332
her tape to be stolen
and leaked.
836
00:38:57,333 --> 00:38:58,999
In the case
of Montana Fishburne,
837
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,542
she was straight up being like,
838
00:39:00,667 --> 00:39:03,250
"I'm doing this to be famous.
This worked for Kim,
839
00:39:03,375 --> 00:39:04,832
and now it's gonna work
for me."
840
00:39:04,833 --> 00:39:07,791
Well, I don't think
it was commercially successful
841
00:39:07,792 --> 00:39:11,332
because the story around
Kim Kardashian was it's stolen.
842
00:39:11,333 --> 00:39:12,832
This, they didn't really
have a story
843
00:39:12,833 --> 00:39:15,333
that she was in defiance
of her parents.
844
00:39:15,458 --> 00:39:19,541
She was a mainstream actor's
daughter, not well-known.
845
00:39:19,542 --> 00:39:22,582
She thought that she could
parlay sex tape fame
846
00:39:22,583 --> 00:39:24,832
into, you know,
a mainstream career,
847
00:39:24,833 --> 00:39:27,624
and that is just not
what was going to happen
848
00:39:27,625 --> 00:39:30,499
for a Black woman, unfortunately.
849
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:32,666
And I think that because
there was also nothing else
850
00:39:32,667 --> 00:39:36,124
that she was known for but being
her father's daughter,
851
00:39:36,125 --> 00:39:39,082
so it was all about,
this must be shameful for him.
852
00:39:39,083 --> 00:39:41,416
He must be embarrassed. Where
did he go wrong as a parent?
853
00:39:41,417 --> 00:39:43,582
You know, it wasn't
about her being a woman
854
00:39:43,583 --> 00:39:47,791
who had the right to make these
choices and who was old enough
855
00:39:47,792 --> 00:39:50,499
to consent to say,
"I'd like to do pornography,"
856
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:53,666
and it really backfired
for Montana.
857
00:39:57,792 --> 00:40:01,041
Tila Tequila had
a big one come out, 2011.
858
00:40:01,042 --> 00:40:03,957
Guys, come on, please.
Who's the Super Bowl for you?
859
00:40:03,958 --> 00:40:06,333
Celebrity obsessions?
860
00:40:06,458 --> 00:40:08,499
The funny thing
about the Tila Tequila tape
861
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:11,582
is she had
that dating show on MTV.
862
00:40:11,583 --> 00:40:13,957
It was a guilty pleasure.
I actually kind of liked it.
863
00:40:13,958 --> 00:40:16,749
I remember thinking,
she'd be perfect for a sex tape.
864
00:40:16,750 --> 00:40:19,499
I remember thinking that.
She's perfect for a sex tape.
865
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:21,916
And then sure enough,
it happened.
866
00:40:21,917 --> 00:40:25,333
I had a tape with her and
a gentleman named Francis Ten,
867
00:40:25,458 --> 00:40:28,166
who was her boyfriend
for many, many years.
868
00:40:28,167 --> 00:40:29,707
It was playful.
869
00:40:29,708 --> 00:40:32,666
It was nice. It was them
on vacation once again,
870
00:40:32,667 --> 00:40:36,749
and homeboy had what
Colin Farrell had in his pants.
871
00:40:36,750 --> 00:40:38,457
Like, he was really
working with some stuff,
872
00:40:38,458 --> 00:40:41,916
and, uh, we approached
Tila's people.
873
00:40:41,917 --> 00:40:44,832
They were defiantly trying
to say,
874
00:40:44,833 --> 00:40:47,249
"No, we don't want
any part of this.
875
00:40:47,250 --> 00:40:48,832
We don't give our permission."
876
00:40:48,833 --> 00:40:51,666
I took it to Steve Hirsch
over at Vivid,
877
00:40:51,667 --> 00:40:54,041
and this started a whole war
between me and Steven.
878
00:40:54,042 --> 00:40:56,666
I showed him this tape.
879
00:40:56,667 --> 00:40:58,666
I said, "This is the greatest
sex tape I've ever seen.
880
00:40:58,667 --> 00:41:00,624
Look how playful it is.
Look how great it is."
881
00:41:00,625 --> 00:41:03,291
And he goes,
"I like it. I don't know.
882
00:41:03,292 --> 00:41:05,332
I'll give her $10,000."
883
00:41:05,333 --> 00:41:07,291
I said, "Are you out
of your [bleep] mind?
884
00:41:07,292 --> 00:41:10,082
This is Tila Tequila. She's
the biggest person on MySpace."
885
00:41:10,083 --> 00:41:13,749
MySpace, by the way, kids,
was a thing back in the day.
886
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:16,374
I end up meeting
a Penthouse Pet,
887
00:41:16,375 --> 00:41:17,874
and I'm visiting with her
888
00:41:17,875 --> 00:41:19,750
and her girlfriend
who's another Penthouse Pet,
889
00:41:19,875 --> 00:41:21,499
and we're all hanging out
in this hotel room.
890
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:23,416
We're having a great time.
We're partying,
891
00:41:23,417 --> 00:41:25,582
and one Penthouse Pet
says to me,
892
00:41:25,583 --> 00:41:27,167
"So, what are you working on,
K.B.?
893
00:41:27,292 --> 00:41:28,333
Anything good with sex tapes?"
894
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:30,207
I go,
"Yeah, I got something great."
895
00:41:30,208 --> 00:41:33,666
She goes, "Well, as long as it's
not Tila Tequila, I'm okay."
896
00:41:33,667 --> 00:41:37,500
And I look at her and go,
"What did you just say?"
897
00:41:37,625 --> 00:41:40,208
She said, "I just did
a 3-way lesbian tape
898
00:41:40,333 --> 00:41:44,457
with this girl and this girl
and Tila."
899
00:41:44,458 --> 00:41:47,499
And I'm like, okay,
now I'm figuring it out.
900
00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:51,166
If I would've released
this hetero tape,
901
00:41:51,167 --> 00:41:54,041
that would sell 10 times as much
902
00:41:54,042 --> 00:41:57,499
than a 3-way lesbian tape
with Tila.
903
00:41:57,500 --> 00:41:59,375
So, that's why
they wanted to shut it down.
904
00:41:59,542 --> 00:42:01,457
Next thing you know,
Vivid comes along,
905
00:42:01,458 --> 00:42:04,833
and they put out the tape.
906
00:42:04,958 --> 00:42:06,542
You want to play that game?
We were friends for a long time.
907
00:42:06,667 --> 00:42:07,457
I referred you this,
referred you that.
908
00:42:07,458 --> 00:42:08,999
We'll play that game.
909
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,457
So, it kind of started
an all out, uh...
910
00:42:12,458 --> 00:42:15,167
I won't say war.
You know, it's business.
911
00:42:17,917 --> 00:42:21,083
Yeah, celebrities mad cheap
nowadays, you know?
912
00:42:21,208 --> 00:42:22,624
It's not easy being a celebrity,
913
00:42:22,625 --> 00:42:24,499
but it's easy
to become a celebrity.
914
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:26,499
Our celebrities are constantly
trying to figure out
915
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:27,999
"How do I stay relevant?"
916
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,208
And so sometimes people get
really bad advice
917
00:42:31,333 --> 00:42:33,666
about things that they should do
918
00:42:33,667 --> 00:42:36,291
to stay in the minds
of the public.
919
00:42:36,292 --> 00:42:37,667
You're outselling
Kim Kardashian.
920
00:42:37,833 --> 00:42:41,124
- Oh.
- Yeah. You made servers crash.
921
00:42:41,125 --> 00:42:44,457
Farrah Abraham is kind of
a complex character.
922
00:42:44,458 --> 00:42:46,750
She is a former reality star.
923
00:42:46,875 --> 00:42:48,832
Can you turn your body
towards me, please?
924
00:42:48,833 --> 00:42:50,624
I don't know if fame
was what she needed,
925
00:42:50,625 --> 00:42:53,832
but it certainly had an effect
on her.
926
00:42:53,833 --> 00:42:55,708
You love this! You laugh!
927
00:42:55,833 --> 00:43:00,500
The animal that reality TV made
is my daughter.
928
00:43:00,625 --> 00:43:03,707
Seems there's probably
a lot of pressure on girls
929
00:43:03,708 --> 00:43:06,666
to behave a certain way
to stay relevant.
930
00:43:06,667 --> 00:43:08,541
I get a call from Farrah.
931
00:43:08,542 --> 00:43:10,500
I go, "Hey, what's up?"
She said, "Hey, Dad.
932
00:43:10,875 --> 00:43:13,499
I'm gonna give you a heads up."
933
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:15,166
"I did a sex tape."
934
00:43:15,167 --> 00:43:16,708
What do you think
of the title, Farrah?
935
00:43:16,875 --> 00:43:18,999
The title's not something
I'm for,
936
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,124
but I'm not used
to that industry.
937
00:43:22,125 --> 00:43:24,124
The wizard was revealed
behind the curtain.
938
00:43:24,125 --> 00:43:26,166
It was like,
"Oh, yeah, this is all fake."
939
00:43:26,167 --> 00:43:28,332
Okay, so, you know, you have
celebrity sex tape, okay.
940
00:43:28,333 --> 00:43:30,874
- Well, who's the celebrity?
- I am.
941
00:43:30,875 --> 00:43:33,041
I consider the death
of the celebrity sex tape
942
00:43:33,042 --> 00:43:35,124
happened when Farrah Abraham
put out her product.
76407
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