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In 2012, Oprah went to visit the Kardashians.

She sat down and interviewed Kim.

Would you be where you are had there not been a sex tape?

Kim Kardashian has transcended a variety of levels

in terms of celebrity throughout her career.

She now is a business mogul, an actor.

Kim Kardashian is now an empire--

the reality show, the clothing.

She became a billionaire.

She had a need to be famous, and look what happened.

She does, like, everything.

What doesn't she [bleep] do at this point?

Kim Kardashian, as big and powerful as she is,

I think without the sex tape,

she wouldn't have been as well known all over the world.

That was her way of getting famous,

and it worked beyond anyone's imagination.

So, that's where the theories come in.

-Kim, to your left! -Whoo!

Kim did admit that it did kind of put her on the map.

That's pretty much how I was introduced to the world.

You know, there are people who say that

you put it out yourself. You know that.

Kim hasn't shied away from the topic

of her sex tape over the years.

Why did you make a sex tape?

Because I was horny, and I felt like it.

But she never really gives, like, a straight answer.

I know there's a lot of versions of this story.

There's the question of who leaks it.

Whether or not you think that Kim Kardashian

leaked the tape herself...

"We reshot scenes. This tape was created to be sold."

Some versions of the story have

her mom and Ray J conspiring.

The Kardashians and the Jenners

are extremely savvy. They know it works.

But I have the real story.

What I saw in that tape is not what was edited and put up.

I saw two people rolling on Ecstasy

and one of them getting peed on in the bathtub.

You think A&E's gonna show that?

Once upon a time in America,

celebrity culture was like a mythology of its own.

These people were on Mount Olympus

because these weren't people like us.

These--These are people that were on

the television and on the screen.

In the olden days,

it was just this fascination with people

that had managed to transcend normal human life and become

a part of the Hollywood media mythology.

Yes.

And the first Bachelorette, Trista Rehn.

Why not do a show where I get to do the two things?

How cool is that?

In the early 2000s, we got into this sort of world of, like,

anybody can be famous.

I'm Allison. I'm 19, and I'm a personal trainer.

What's up, everybody? I'm Taylor.

My girlfriend's name is Justine.

Anyone could become a celebrity.

With reality TV, It just became

you're just interesting to watch.

You're interesting to look at. Your life is a mess.

We wanna see that.

So now, instead of Hollywood being this unattainable dream

that only a select few have access to

or can risk everything to achieve,

and you have got to be the [bleep] best,

you can get a reality show.

Now you're famous. Do you have talent?

What's your contribution to society? Who are you?

There's some kind of shift in our culture where

people are seeking fame more, and I think it could be

related to we have access to fame much easier.

There's cameras on all of our phones, and all of a sudden,

everyone is the star of their own reality.

And a lot of, especially for the youth,

they're seeking this fame because, in part,

society is telling you that's what is important.

And Paris Hilton is, like, probably

the best example of something like that.

♪ Give me that right life

Hey, Paris. How are you?

Paris Hilton was, to my knowledge,

the first celebutante.

Holy, she....

She really captured a generation.

People were obsessed with her.

I've had such an interesting life,

and I have a lot to say.

At that time, Kim was just known as Paris Hilton's stylist.

She didn't really have a name of her own yet.

They had gone to preschool together.

They had very similar lives growing up.

Kim and Paris had a good relationship.

Paris was the star. Kim was in the shadows.

It was always about Paris.

But Kim wanted to be famous herself.

Everyone kind of had this inkling that she really

wanted to have the status of Paris Hilton.

And it felt to me like that movie "All about Eve."

Kim was watching. Kim was studying.

Every move Paris made,

Kim took notes to become famous, and let's face it,

the Kardashians were not unknown.

The Kardashian name was known

because of Kim's father, Robert Kardashian,

who defended O.J. Simpson in his murder trial.

Kris Jenner is her mother.

Kris Jenner wanted her daughters to be famous,

and she groomed them for that.

And Paris Hilton is the blueprint

for every successful reality star.

Kim used Paris as her prototype.

So, someone like Paris Hilton

and the other celebrity socialites of the 2000s,

all of these people depend on the paparazzi to survive.

If your job is to be famous,

then you do have to court paparazzi.

So, now, in the 2000s,

there was no more boundaries anymore

between how celebrities were covered.

It was just a free-for-all.

Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, we can't get through.

Paparazzi wanna get the best shot,

and they could get them at their most vulnerable moment.

They didn't really think about issues of consent

or bodily autonomy when it came to women.

There were so many celebrity women

who were getting out of cars,

and they didn't have underwear on,

but they were wearing a skirt.

And photographers would just take pictures

of their, like, spread-open vaginas.

Those photographs were known as the crotch shots.

You're photographing them coming out of the car

because there could be something

that's laying there that tells a story.

You're shooting at an angle,

and sure, you're gonna get that shot.

It really was kind of normal at the time,

and women were just supposed to accept that.

I think that celebrity nudity is so big in our culture

because people feel like they own a celebrity,

or they're entitled to every aspect

of a celebrity's life, especially

if their entire celebrity is based

on their personality and their personal life,

rather than, you know, the way they can sing or dance or act.

People want to see all of it.

The crazier, the picture. I mean, look at Britney Spears.

If you see, you know,

when she was really being stalked by the paparazzi,

I mean, it was really mentally abusive.

I mean, it's actually--really, you look back on it now,

and it's terrifying. It's so incredibly sad to watch,

but that's how they made money.

Obviously, many celebrities were calling the paparazzi

and telling them where they were going.

There were, you know, people that had teams of publicists

that were definitely orchestrating.

I have called the paparazzi myself.

Hi, guys. What's up? Hey, what's up?

Unfortunately, to work within the system,

a lot of women have to work with the system.

Kim, you know, she did that, too.

Kim is very aware of the media and perception

and how to control the narrative.

When Paris Hilton had broken up with her BFF Tara Reid,

Paris Hilton had a party at Hyde nightclub

and had no one to go with, and who did she take?

Plain Jane Kimmy Kardashian.

TMZ owns it--The video.

My quick thinking saw what was happening.

Tara Reid was being denied entry,

and here comes Paris Hilton with the new BFF,

which was, at that night, Kimmy Kardashian,

and she drug her into Hyde.

That video that I took made Kim Kardashian.

But Kim Kardashian wanted that kind of attention.

She was able to take control of this image

and make it into what she wanted to make it.

Beautiful.

She wanted to really have world dominance.

Kim modeled herself on Paris.

Everything is contrived.

Now, is that a bad thing?

It's a judgment call.

In the early 2000s,

there are a lot of different shortcuts to fame--

reality TV, and, of course, a celebrity sex tape.

That was like the mic drop.

She did that because she wanted to

and because she was horny. Good for her.

She became a billionaire from a sex tape.

Any movies or anything?

Kim Kardashian went to Cabo with her boyfriend Ray J,

who actually, at the time, I think, had a single out...

that nobody was listening to.

♪ The DJ's rockin'

And they did what people do in Cabo,

and they did it on tape, which some people do that...

I'm told. Not me, other people, you know.

Kim and Ray J broke up in 2006

but remained on good terms. And then later that year,

rumors of a sex tape started coming out.

And even if you don't wanna watch the tape,

you're probably super curious.

There was news of Kim's sex tape

coming out before it even came out.

She kept denying it.

Perez Hilton was the source of so many rumors,

and social media spread the word.

There was Facebook. Twitter was very new.

Word starts spreading. Kim says, "No, no, no, there's no tape."

Everyone in the world knew about it.

Then it becomes clear that there is a tape,

and Kim says, "Okay, it's not for public consumption."

Supposedly, it was an old sex tape,

which even increased the value more.

With social media amplifying the message

of the sex tape being out there,

Kim Kardashian was on the road to being a star overnight.

I'm Kevin Blatt,

and I'm the celebrity sex tape broker.

Here, I had been a marketing guy, a sales guy.

I was selling penis enlargement pills back in the day.

Ask me if they work.

They sell.

I mean, look, we all like to make money, you know?

Did I think when I went to Ohio State University

that I'm gonna major

in public relations and celebrity sex?

No. You know, a fish doesn't know it needs water

until you throw it out of the tank, right?

I didn't know how badly I needed to be this guy

until I started doing all the media interviews.

And it wasn't until "The New York Times"

or I think "Vanity Fair" or somewhere cited me

as the celebrity sex tape "broker"

that I sat there, and I laughed and I went,

how ludicrous is this?

What a weird moniker this is, right?

So, every interview I would do, every place I would go,

I'm just the P.T. Barnum of [bleep], right?

I wanted to be that ringleader who was gonna get people

to call me if they had a sex tape.

Kim became the biggest story.

And here we are 20 years later, still talking about it.

And for the most part, most of America's dumb.

They believe everything that you tell 'em.

And they should believe this

because I'm telling you the truth.

When Ray J came and met with me about the sex tape,

I didn't know who Ray J was.

My friend had to explain to me

that he was Snoop Dogg's cousin

and Brandy Norwood's brother.

And he said to me, you know,

"K.B., Kim wants to release this for free."

What's up, Paris?!

"She wants to be bigger than Paris."

I said, "No, bro, you have to convince her

to not release this for free

'cause there's millions of dollars at stake here."

He goes, "Who's gonna give me the millions?"

I said, "I'm gonna broker this deal,

and I'm going to bring you over to Red Light District Video.

He's the guy that I wanna put this out with,

and he's going to pay you at least a million upfront."

"Let's do it."

I met with him at a Cheesecake Factory

in Woodland Hills out here.

After the meeting, Ray J And I shook hands.

He got in his Lamborghini. He took off.

And the friend that introduced me to him and I basically said,

okay, we're gonna get a piece of the action,

and we're gonna make money on this.

It wasn't until a couple days later,

when he was ducking my phone calls,

that I found out that Kim told him,

"I'm really good friends

with Joe Francis from 'Girls Gone Wild,'

and Joe Francis could help us out.

He's best friends with the owner of Vivid."

I ended up not getting a piece of that action.

That's just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

But again, I'm okay with it because I saw the original tape,

and what I saw on that tape is not

what was edited and put up.

I saw two people rolling on Ecstasy,

and one of them getting peed on in a bathtub.

Vivid Entertainment is a huge porn company--

top of its game, really,

especially once they got into the celebrity sex tape realm.

That was kind of their bread and butter for a while.

A lot of people have been misinformed.

They think it was a third party that sold the tape to Vivid.

I'm a number one "New York Times"

Best-Selling author.

I'm the first person in the world to ever release

that the Kardashians actually were instrumental

in selling the sex tape.

In my book, "Kardashian Dynasty,"

I was able to outline it all.

And the one thing I learned was that Kim deliberately leaked

the sex tape because she wanted to become famous.

I heard through the grapevine

that Kris had come in and done the deal with Vivid,

and Kim didn't want her name or signature on anything.

I believe it was just Kim's mom

and Ray J that facilitated the deal.

There were intense negotiations

because the Kardashians wanted a lot,

and Vivid's not a company to give up a lot.

They made it very exclusive.

They made sure the security cameras were turned off.

They brought in their own computer.

They showed some rushes.

It was sort of like a sizzle reel,

but it wasn't that simple.

There was a lot of nuts and bolts

in the contract to iron out,

and the lawyers had to go over it with a fine-toothed comb.

She had final cut, so they weren't gonna show themselves

in a bad angle or anything that showed 'em having a fat ass

or no boobs or whatever it was.

They made it as complimentary as possible.

Everybody in New York wanted to see this sex tape.

We'd heard about it.

I was curious. I think a lot of people were.

And then, boom.

Paris Hilton found out about the sex tape.

Paris Hilton must have heard about it online.

Paris was really blindsided by all this.

She didn't see it coming.

Paris was a victim

of a leaked celebrity sex tape without her consent.

For Paris, it was probably retraumatizing

just to watch Kim go through it.

Nobody wants to be looked at as just a 2-dimensional body.

It takes everything away from you.

Yikes. How were we so wrong?

So, who's the most eligible woman in the world?

I don't know.

"FHM" magazine thinks the answer is simple,

and the pictures prove it-- hotel heiress

and the host of "The Simple Life," Paris Hilton.

To be attractive, you just have to know that you are

and just be happy with yourself no matter what you look like.

Paris Hilton, before the tape came out,

was basically a socialite.

She was a young socialite, and the gossip columns,

specifically "Page Six," were, like, super into her.

Paris Hilton was a local celebrity.

She was here in New York in the tabloids

and the gossip columns.

And she was kind of raising hell in New York.

Her and her sister would go to clubs.

They'd go to bars, and wherever they went,

there was always a story that followed.

♪ Thanks

Paris, right over your shoulder!

♪ We'll stay in bed now

I remember bumping into her in a really chic club,

and I was intoxicated.

She illuminates a room.

Be fabulous. Be colorful and have fun.

Paris Hilton was the "it" girl.

♪ Boys and girls

♪ They all like me

She was a socialite, a model,

but as we've come to know,

there was a lot more going on than the celebrity sheen.

As she's revealed in her documentary, in her memoir,

she went through some real [bleep],

like she went through a lot of trauma.

Allegedly, Paris' parents had her kidnapped

in the middle of the night and taken off

to this "emotional growth school"

in Utah states away, like halfway across the country,

where she experienced, like, a ton of abuse,

like physical abuse and emotional abuse.

This can lead to depression. This can lead to anxiety.

You often see substance abuse,

your unhealthy relationships later on.

She never spoke to me about trauma.

She was really creating this candy-covered, fluffy image.

♪ Let's take two girls

♪ Both filthy rich

♪ From the bright lights down to the... ♪

She had this reality show with her friend Nicole Richie

called "The Simple Life."

There's a lot of early buzz for it.

It's supposed to be really fun, really fluffy.

People are excited to watch this and sort of make fun of her,

but in a way that she's kind of controlling.

And we're doing this to prove everyone wrong

and show we can do anything.

It was a smash hit.

Everybody wanted to see this girl, Paris Hilton.

That is Earth. It's hot.

And then three weeks before the show premieres,

the sex tape hits the internet.

Biggest story of all, that everyone's talking about--

the Paris Hilton sex tape.

That's what, really, people are talking about right now.

I was shocked when it came out.

It's a video she shoots when she's 19 years old,

with her boyfriend at the time, Rick Salomon.

Rick Salomon-- I don't know if he has, like,

the best reputation in Hollywood.

He's a professional gambler.

He's known more for the women he's dated

than for anything he's actually achieved in his life.

He wanted to be rich and important,

and he wanted to be the guy who gets the girls,

and he figured out how to do it.

I mean, it's kind of sleazy that this guy in his 30s was, like,

having sex with and convincing this very young girl

to make a sex tape with him.

There's a huge difference

between a young woman who's 19 and a man in his early 30s.

Consent may have been present,

but coercion was likely present, too.

It was recorded on--I think it was with a handheld camera,

and it was such an intimate recording.

The tape is kind of the most explicit we've seen so far.

The--The quality is good.

The sex acts are longer.

- It's a lot. - People weren't meant to see it.

It was between them.

It wasn't supposed to be public.

Paris' sex tape really exploded. So, at the time,

she was a New York celebrity,

and I remember everybody was whispering,

even at a really sort of very fancy company...

...that Paris Hilton had a sex tape,

and then it became the most important thing

to get hold of.

We were all really excited to see it.

This video is said to be Paris

shot during a very personal encounter.

The tape leaks to the internet at large...

,,,just going around kind of off the grid on--

file-sharing sites.

Rick Salomon eventually takes it

to legitimate porn distribution companies

and sells it to them.

The hotel heiress says

the company violated her privacy

because she and Rick Salomon, her ex,

made the tape for personal use.

It was Paris that had to apologize in interviews

and defend herself and deal with the ridicule,

and everybody trying to watch

this intimate moment was super violating.

Rick, the first time this tape got out,

you said you didn't have anything to do with it, right?

That's correct. I had nothing to do with it.

So, how does releasing the tape now

defend you against those earlier accusations?

You know, I have a full color version on trustfundgirls.com.

Trustfundgirls.com.

Everybody thought I was-- already sold the tape

everywhere I went for three months.

And I just figured, you know, if everybody thinks I did it,

I might as well, you know, make a little money.

You know, she was a product to be consumed.

That's when it starts to really saturate the world

and go pretty mainstream.

I think the theme of every sex tape being leaked,

including Paris's,

is that the female party is always villainized.

All the comedians are joking about her.

Can you imagine how they must have felt,

Paris Hilton's parents, that she did a porno film

in a Marriott hotel?

I mean, it is just...

There was a lot of slut shaming.

She was kind of the classic late night monologue fodder.

She's on David Letterman. She's everywhere.

It's the first time that the words "Paris Hilton"

and "job" have ever been used in a sentence.

There was so much backlash to Paris,

like "South Park" calling her a whore.

I just got

the "Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset."

You're a stupid, spoiled whore.

This is the hypocrisy of the world that we live in.

Women are always blamed, and so Paris is the one

that really, really got the backlash.

So, the singer P!nk had a music video

for the song "Stupid Girls."

♪ I don't wanna be a stupid girl ♪

And in it, there's a re-creation of the Paris Hilton sex tape,

and so Paris is the punchline. She's a bimbo. She's stupid.

She allowed herself to be in this situation.

Um, looking back, it was not very feminist at all.

It's very easy to say, well, this girl's pretty and rich,

and she didn't do anything,

so I'm gonna make fun of her.

You know that expression

about hitting people when they're down?

What was really smart is she didn't really

ever do a sit-down interview or talk about this.

She didn't sit down with Diane Sawyer or Barbara Walters.

In fact, she did something genius.

She went on "SNL."

Welcome to "SNL's" Super Bowl party. I've had--

And at the time, Tina Fey

is one of the head writers for the show,

and she wanted Paris to do a skit about the sex tape.

And they tell her it's gonna be very funny,

and she's like, "I can't do that.

This is traumatic to me. This is really hurtful.

It's a bad experience."

And not long after, Tina Fey goes on a radio show,

and she completely rips Paris.

Paris Hilton. I would kill myself.

Like, she's-- -She's a piece of [bleep].

- Yeah. - I'm a huge fan of Tina.

I'm shocked that she would be that cruel.

I mean, she's a comedian.

You know, you can make fun of people,

but you don't have to go there.

She looks like a tranny up close.

Her hand--her hand is like from my elbow

to the end of my hand. - And she walks odd,

for a chick who grew up in New York.

Her feet are, like, bigger than yours.

I don't think it's pro woman.

I don't think it's feminist at all.

Such mean girl behavior

from the creator of "Mean Girls."

I've had a great time this week.

It's been very exciting to do live TV because there are

no tapes whatsoever involved, and that makes me very happy.

She made fun of herself, and that's when you figured out

there's more to this girl than meets the eye.

She's always surprising us.

And that's how

you make lemonade from lemons in America.

All of these other people felt like it was totally natural

to talk about Paris in this way.

But you look back on it, and it's like,

yikes, how were we so wrong?

The time was such that people felt entitled to this.

People were not thinking about consent in these terms.

And I'm certain

that if that case happened now,

people would be on Paris Hilton's side.

- For the fans. - Thank you.

Paris, down here.

Now, Paris has gone on to be sort of a global trendsetter,

that she has taken fame

and proven it can be extended and extended and extended.

Without Paris, there would be no Kim Kardashian.

She was the template.

Did it come out good?

Kim studied everything, every nuance,

and she had a master plan.

Kim saw the level of fame that Paris attained

after that tape came out,

and fame being a double-edged sword

because it came with ridicule and hate.

In my opinion, Kim studied the media's response

and figured out a way that she could benefit.

Kim Kardashian becomes a superstar

in the wake of her tape.

I think that it's actually, like, ingenious.

It's like hook, line, and sinker.

Like, it totally worked.

Kim Kardashian claimed that

she was really embarrassed and that she did not leak it.

Vivid Entertainment said that they received the tape

from a third party.

Kim Kardashian's camp said that it was

either obtained from someone who robbed them or Ray J.

Of all the celebrity sex tapes, that's the biggest one.

That's the one that exploded. It was lightning in a bottle.

Vivid Entertainment came to an agreement with Kim and Ray J.

All of the parties benefited.

The Kim Kardashian tape-- it was set up as something

that was never meant to get out there,

but they didn't even really bother to give us

a good story about that.

Pam and Tommy-- they gave us a story,

and we know how that tape got out.

It was so half-assed, the Kim and Ray J thing.

They were both kind of like, "Oh..." You know?

Celebrity news spread the word.

It was on every page of every magazine.

Her story was always so flimsy.

She said that it was just stolen.

And I--it always kind of seemed like

the implication was on Ray J,

that, like, Ray J had somehow sold it to make money.

It was so strategic,

and Kim, I believe, wanted to have this in the vault

just in case she decided

she wanted to become famous and get her own show.

It was perfect.

And the proof is on the-- the wall.

You know, in the adult business,

we have something called USC 2257,

which is a legal statute that states

if you're performing for adult content,

not only are you giving your rights

for your name and likeness to be exploited commercially,

but you're also gonna show two forms of identification

that show that you're above 18 years of age

and you're legal.

You will see USC 2257 on any jewel case DVD

that shows any type of nudity.

What that also means is there's a custodian of records.

If the feds need to come and inspect and make sure

that that person's over 18, they could view those records.

And the reason why I'm bringing this up to you

is there's USC 2257 on Kim Kardashian's sex tape

and any celebrity sex tape you've ever seen

that was shown commercially and sold commercially,

which means what?

It means Kim gave their driver's license

and a passport

or birth certificate to that adult company

to the custodian of records,

so that if the feds needed to come in and make sure,

they can, and I know the lawyer

whose office that sits in to this day.

It was their best-selling tape of all time,

and it ended up making $115 million.

Part of the reason is because Vivid were masters of marketing.

So they had the best art direction,

publicity, P.R. team,

so they were as close to a mainstream company

as we had in adult.

So, it wasn't just the Kim Kardashian sex tape,

but they knew how to market it,

and they knew how to create a buzz for it.

And it fed on itself, you know?

Once that tape started to come out, everybody wanted it.

Vivid said, "You wanna be a superstar?"

Let's call it "Kim Kardashian, Superstar."

Make it very simple, And it worked.

A couple months after the tape was leaked,

the Kardashians had a show on E!

When I first heard about Kim's tape, as her mother,

I wanted to kill her.

But as her manager, I knew that I had a job to do,

and I really just wanted her to move past it.

Kim Kardashian's life pre- and post-sex tape

are dramatically different.

Hey, Kim, look over your shoulder this way.

Marketing it as a placement for her

to launch her career

and turn into celebrity is really smart.

It was a primer for her future stardom.

I think that the legacy of Kim's tape

can be perceived in a-- a couple of different ways.

If you think about the legacy from the perspective

of how she turned a sex tape into a multimillion,

billion-dollar career that continues to grow and evolve...

And yet she's still really

very strongly associated with her sex tape.

Even if she does something great,

there will always be somebody who's ready to say,

"But what about the sex tape?"

The tape is called "Kim Kardashian, Superstar."

Kim Kardashian becomes a superstar

in the wake of the tape.

She didn't have a reality show until after her sex tape.

E!--the TV network,

not the fifth letter of the alphabet,

announced it has signed the Kardashian family

to a 3-year contract worth $40 million.

And reportedly, the deal doesn't even cover product endorsements,

which means the lovable clan

stands to make a buttload more money.

How are you? How are you, Kim?

Everybody became obsessed with Kim.

It worked 'cause she wanted her star to increase,

and the best way to do it was to plant a sex tape.

I did not know who Kim Kardashian was

before the sex tape.

I think it really made her a world brand.

Kim! Miss Kardashian!

The whole Kardashian plan was to become famous,

get the reality show, and then to sell product.

It was just genius. They became billionaires,

and we've never seen that before in the history of television.

Kim Kardashian now is a business mogul.

A sex tape is probably the last thing on her résumé

at this point.

She obviously has built this empire

since she was able to pivot the sex tape in, I think,

a pretty genius way to work in her favor.

Um, but at the same time, she's very often considered

to be nothing more than this trashy celebrity figure,

even though she's done something that a lot of men

have done before her.

Paris was really blindsided.

Kim Kardashian sold her own sex tape.

I truly believe that Paris' tape was leaked without her consent.

I think that she was upset about the fact that Kim denies

that she had anything to do with the release of the sex tape.

Also kind of frames it as, "I am successful despite this,"

instead of "I am successful because of this," you know?

Because it does de-legitimize that Paris said that, you know,

"This was done without my permission, without my consent."

It sort of framed it as, Paris did that deliberately

when before, I think that people

believed that she didn't do that deliberately.

Paris hasn't capitalized on her sexuality

the way that the Kardashians and Jenners have over the years.

I don't think I've ever seen a nude photo shoot with her

since the sex tape.

I've seen every part of Kim Kardashian

since her sex tape--

nude in "Playboy," on covers of magazines.

I'm pretty sure Paris Hilton turned down "Playboy."

She just didn't want that.

Paris Hilton's sex tape situation is, like,

part of her past,

but I don't really associate that with who she is today.

But Kim Kardashian's, to me, like,

it--it really is, like, more present.

The sex taste in recent years

resurfaced on the first episode of "The Kardashians" on Hulu.

Kim's child is watching "Roblox" on the show,

and Kim discovers that

their child could potentially find out about the sex tape.

Let me see it. Let me see.

Click on it.

Aah!

And it creates the drama of the series.

It said, "Kim's new sex tape" when you clicked on it,

and it's like, over my dead body

is this [bleep] gonna happen to me again.

It's interesting to have it come up so many years later

and on the show, and it's interesting

to have that subject be the first episode

of the family restarting the docuseries

on a new network when that topic is

what really launched the reality show on E! in 2007.

Ray J has come out in recent years and said,

"Your mom told us to do this. We reshot scenes.

This tape was created to be sold."

I mean, she's been on television countless times crying about it,

talking about how embarrassed she was

and what it meant to be violated in such a way.

I do know that it's something that I would take back.

Imagine that conversation I had to have with my grandmother.

And it sounds like she was part of the plan all along.

It's a bit off-putting if she did leak the tape herself,

and she made all of this money

off of something that really is traumatic for so many people.

Only played my part. Y'all told me what to do. I said cool.

So, I'm taking full responsibility

to some of the [bleep] up [bleep] that happened.

I want to believe that Kim didn't leak it herself.

That said, the only person or people

that can answer the question are the Kardashians and Ray J.

Ray J has since come out and said that

it was actually the three of them

all kind of got together and worked out this plan

because they had a couple

sex tapes that they had filmed when they were dating.

Ray J has issued a handful of statements

saying that, like, Kim always knew about it,

and he's refuted the idea that she had no idea it leaked.

Let's get to the facts of what happened.

Let's get to the facts

of the timeline of when it happened.

So, it's interesting. He says he has the receipts.

Put it like this.

- If what they saying I did... - Mm-hmm.

- ...is true... - Yes.

...then why didn't you never sue me?

And then also in 2022, Kris Jenner actually appears

on "The Late Late Show with James Corden"

to take a lie detector test.

Late Late Lie detector.

Did you help Kim release her sex tape?

It's okay. No. No.

- True. - Of course it's true!

- Thank you! - Of course it's true.

All right, Kylie. Here we go.

Oh, I like that. We cleared that up.

Kris manipulated it behind the scenes.

She tried to stay in the background,

but she still pulled all the triggers.

She helped put

the marketing strategy together, the publicity,

and every move regarding that sex tape.

Nothing was made without the authorization

of Kris Jenner, I assure you that.

-Kim, right here! -Kim!

Today, she's such a big star.

You go back and look at it, it's like, oh, my God.

It's Kim Kardashian having sex.

She made a choice as an adult.

Who was anybody to rip her?

It's like, with anything in the--in the marketplace,

if you don't like it, don't watch it.

If you don't wanna read it, don't read it.

Don't tell other people they can't,

and don't tell other people you can't do something that's legal

when you're over the age of 18.

No one wants to be judged. If you're not hurting anybody,

And if somebody's doing, you know,

if they wanna have sex with their partner or their boyfriend

or whoever, so be it.

For me, I think the problem that I have

is the capitalism of it off the business side of it

is because you're making these people perceive

that it was leaked or it was stolen or it was whatever,

when that's not always the case.

And I think that the rumor or the story behind it

generates that way because it makes it seem more appealing,

and it makes them not as tarnished in their reputation.

I don't think that we get

to where we are as a culture today

with, like, I've seen my friends having sex

because that's how they make their money, and that's fine,

without Kim Kardashian

normalizing the sex tape

and not having that torpedo her career.

I mean, she showed that you could really just do that.

That was how she launched.

And she only launched from--

further from there into the stratosphere.

Like, Kim Kardashian and Ray J

take the sex tape to this new height,

and that's when people, I think, realized

that sex tapes could be really good marketing.

I definitely think that there were people who would have

wanted to follow Kim

by doing a sex tape just to become famous.

There was an explosion of sex tapes in our culture

after Kim Kardashian.

Colin Farrell.

Nicole kept the tape,

and Colin just assumed that she would be honorable

and not do anything with it.

Screech had a porn tape.

I was very upset and very disappointed

in my friend Dustin.

It's the saddest thing to feel that way.

- Montana Fishburne. - She was straight up being like,

"I'm doing this to be famous.

This worked for Kim, and now it's gonna work for me."

Tila Tequila.

It becomes normalized in such a way,

and that's led to the kind of permissive nature,

I think, of our culture.