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There's something attractive
about the forbidden.
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If I can see something
that I shouldn't be watching,
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they can create this joy
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or this feeling
of gratification,
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especially when it comes to sex.
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And our relationship with sex
is constantly
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changing with the technology.
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Well, who doesn't wanna watch
a good sex tape?
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There is a strong interest.
People are ravenous.
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They wanna see it, particularly
when it's a celebrity.
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From the 1980s up until now,
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we get a whole world
of celebrities
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who've been involved
in sex tapes,
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and they featured some
of the most iconic moments
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that have propelled pop culture
forward and a little backward.
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A tape was stolen
from Tommy Lee and myself.
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We really
hadn't seen this before.
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How did the tape get out there?
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How did this happen?
Why are you not erasing it?
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And how did it get
into the internet?
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Like, how does this work?
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Everybody was trying to see it.
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We were building servers
as fast as we could get 'em.
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It's all my fault.
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The biggest names,
the smallest names,
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some of the oddest characters,
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people who you watch
every day on television.
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It's Colin Farrell,
but what was most stunning
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was the fact that the woman
was a Black woman,
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and that was actually
very, very shocking to me.
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I tell you, man,
everybody likes a little spice.
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I'm telling you, man.
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Celebrity sex tapes
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have such a hold
on our consciousness.
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Celebrity sex tapes
perfectly combine
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all the things that
human beings are obsessed with--
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power, beauty,
fame, sex, transgression.
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I saw the original tape.
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I saw two people
rolling on Ecstasy,
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and one of them getting
peed on in a bathtub.
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You think
A&E is gonna show that?
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But it's not all fun and games.
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There is a dark side to it
as well.
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Jayne Kennedy.
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She was certainly
Black America's sweetheart.
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A sex tape made her go
into hiding. It destroyed her.
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I didn't wanna have
anything to do with it.
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I didn't want to see it.
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I was very upset
and very disappointed
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in my friend Dustin.
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He wanted attention,
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but he also wanted to be
back on the map again.
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Mimi Faust is a great example of
someone who went through this.
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First of all, let's be clear.
I don't watch porn.
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So, for me to have a porn tape,
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how bizarre
can my life even get?
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Farrah Abraham
was not welcome with open arms
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into the industry.
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The animal that reality TV made
is my daughter.
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I'm grateful she's not dead.
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I can't believe I have
the best celebrity sex tape,
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and I did all of this
being depressed and lost.
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A picture is worth
a thousand words,
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but a naked picture
of Jennifer Lawrence
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is worth a lot more
to computer hackers.
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It's just such
a violation of privacy.
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These are images
from your phone.
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Revenge porn
was now known as a thing.
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"Celebgate," as a term,
implies that it's a scandal.
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It's not a scandal.
It's a crime.
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In the Katie Hill story,
these were very intimate photos.
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You don't have ownership
to your body anymore.
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I'm leaving because
of a misogynistic culture
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that gleefully consumed
my naked pictures.
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Yikes. How were we so wrong?
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Because we generally
are fascinated
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with everything celebrities do,
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why would that not extend
to sex as well?
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Like, we care about
the coffee they drink.
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We care about
the liquor they consume.
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We care about where they shop.
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You think we're not gon' care
about how they [bleep]?
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Like, of course we are.
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You feel that icky feeling
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that you're violating somebody,
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and that's the allure
of the celebrity sex tape.
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We get to see them in the most
intimate moment of their life.
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There's a real sick joy in being
able to take them apart.
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What makes celebrity sex tapes
so interesting--
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it is a way of mainstreaming
the conversation about sex.
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This stuff wouldn't
get talked about otherwise.
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Sex tapes are huge.
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It's encouraged
a whole generation now
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to produce sex tapes.
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Yeah, you made servers crash.
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All these celebrities started
coming out with sex tapes.
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She was straight up being like,
"This worked for Kim,
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and now it's gonna work for me.
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And it got to the point where
it was just getting absurd,
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where it was like, okay, are we
really leaking these tapes?
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You guys are just leaking these.
This is stupid.
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I do wonder,
how did we get here?
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You can watch anything
you want online today,
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but there was a huge swath
of time
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where video stores were doing
unbelievable business...
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carrying regular feature films
and adult movies.
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CineFile Video--we were
known all over the country--
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as one of the more unique
and wild video stores
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to have ever existed.
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It opened up in 1999.
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Some of the genres we had
were nunsploitation, Euro trash.
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This is one
of my favorite sections
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that we ever created
for the store.
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"Shade Tippin',"
where the lead character
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was like... ♪ wah-wah
tippin' their shades,
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Wrestling bikers, kidnapping.
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Of course, bikers and kidnapping
always go well together.
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We had all manner of customers,
from celebrities
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to folks that lived at
the VA hospital up the street.
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One of the things we were
really proud of was the library
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of bootleg celebrity sex tapes.
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In the '70s and early '80s,
the sex tapes
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were all underground.
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They were sold kind of
in the black market,
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whatever the black market was.
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The legality
of all these bootleg tapes
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was always in question.
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If it was something
that was possibly
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gonna get us in trouble,
we would make it a free rental,
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So that you had to get
a paid rental in addition
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to getting
this very illicit thing.
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And I think that any customer
of ours over time learned
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you know, if something has
a "free rental" sticker on it,
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then it was fairly likely
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the coolest [bleep]
in the entire store.
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This is where all
the magic happened.
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The customers that would
come in
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for the underground
bootleg sex tapes,
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like truffle hunters,
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they knew what
the cover boxes looked like.
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There was one that purported
to be Barbra Streisand,
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but it wasn't. It was
clearly not Barbra Streisand.
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It was just another lady
with a slightly larger nose.
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The Chuck Berry pee tape.
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Sadly, I have seen
the Chuck Berry pee tape.
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The illicit nature
of these bootleg tapes
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definitely had a value
for the customers.
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Like, you weren't
supposed to be seeing this,
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and maybe the MPAA
would come to your home
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and storm it,
black trench coat-style...
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if you happen to have a tape
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of Barbra Streisand
in a 30-second porn loop.
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CineFile would get a lot
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of bootleg material
through other collectors.
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In my mind,
it's like this sinister bad guy,
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like the Penguin, you know,
like in "Batman,"
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this, like, sweaty guy
that's, like, in this, like,
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you know, a hoarder, and he's,
like, in his little basement.
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He's like...
"I'm gonna make these videos,
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like, these videos I have."
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As the '80s progressed,
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there's this kind of
elite trader circle, it seems,
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that will get their hands
on this footage
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before the general public does.
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Like a gold circle
of sex tape collectors.
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Well, about 30 years ago,
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people all over the world were
trading celebrity sex tapes.
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If the public's interested
in something
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or they wanna see it,
they're gonna find a way to.
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The celebrity thing
is the major reason
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that people
would wanna see 'em.
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And people that aren't
particularly into porno
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would wanna see them because
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they're basically
into sleazy voyeurism.
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This is
"Porno of the Stars, Volume 1."
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This has Marilyn Monroe,
which is--
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is--is thought of as fake.
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You could run together
any number of VCRs.
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You could have, like,
a master VCR running
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into five more VCRs
and make five copies at once.
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The VCR changed porn
and our entire lives.
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I bought a great VCR at Walmart.
Now I'm back for some good tape.
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It was revolutionary.
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The VCR--
you could tape and record on it.
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A camera
and video recorder in one.
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- Get a close-up, Joe.
- Yeah.
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Before the VHS tape,
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all the average citizen had
was a Super 8 camera,
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and then you'd have to have
the film developed,
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and then you'd have
to have a projector,
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and nobody had these things.
When the VHS tape arrived,
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suddenly there was a player
you could have in your home.
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You could watch movies, and you
could watch dirty movies.
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The VHS machine and the tapes
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were one of the biggest
innovations in entertainment,
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much like television,
and it seems like
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every time there's
a new kind of technology,
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sex is the first thing
that takes advantage of it.
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I always think, like,
the cavemen,
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when they discovered fire,
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the first thing they did was
try to put their [bleep] in it.
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You know what I mean?
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Whether it's the printing press
with sexual imagery...
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Whether it's photography
with nude photos...
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Everything that's invented,
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the first thing
they use it for is porn.
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During the '80s,
as soon as the VHS came out,
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amateurs--
they got the camcorder,
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and instead of doing
the kid's birthday,
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they started
making their own movies.
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Make your own.
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Oh, my God.
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This weighs, like, 40--
this weighs more than my car.
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- This is old school.
- This is a VHS camcorder.
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First of all, it's been so long,
I don't even know where to look
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through the--
look through the hole.
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Those old sex tapes were
recorded on something like this.
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Humans are consumed by sex.
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It is an important part
of our lives.
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It is a constant source
of fascination and speculation.
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And so as technology progresses,
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our ability to use technology
for sexual purposes progresses.
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I suppose the camcorder
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helped a certain kind
of porn genre,
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the amateur style of porn.
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It wouldn't be long
before a celebrity
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recorded themselves having sex,
and that recording would
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hit the mainstream
and change everything.
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The camera that was
used was connected
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with a cable like this one.
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At some point, you see
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this hand coming in
and caressing them.
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And then they were
recording him.
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I think of the '80s,
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and I think of everybody's
shock and awe of the sex tape.
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Do you wish
you hadn't gone to Atlanta?
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It was celebrity journalism
getting started.
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Which producers are available?
Which reporters are available?
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Get your asses down to Atlanta
now and get the tape.
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That's all that mattered.
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I think it was
just the perfect storm.
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My morals have changed
quite a bit since then,
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and I would not have watched
the sex tape today.
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8 mark.
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And I have to mention,
I was a female at that point.
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The tale of the sex tape.
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The "Rolling Stone" came out,
and there was a picture
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of Jan, Tara, and myself.
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We were definitely friends.
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It was interesting
because they named me
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as one of the two ladies.
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Two women,
who at this time are only known
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by the names Jan and Tara.
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This would be Tara,
and this is Jan,
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and we worked together.
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The salon was
the Super Hair Three-13
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in Marietta, Georgia.
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I worked there from '81 to '91.
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Jan and Tara
were both assistants,
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and it was a New Wave, punk rock
kind of vibe to the salon.
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The people at Marietta
are more conservative,
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so it was almost like a show,
I think, for them to come in
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just to see
what people were wearing.
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That was one great thing
about the Super Hair Three-13,
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and these kids in Atlanta--
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they were the hairdressers
and people who love to play
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with their hair
and just be outrageous.
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They were just the outcasts.
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Everyone was very close-knit.
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We all worked together,
played together.
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The '80s, what a time.
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Shiny clothes and tight pants.
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The '80s were, like,
you know, the coke came in.
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Whoo!
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I swear, like, I think I snorted
in every stall in New York.
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The drugs became different
in the '80s--
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you know, Quaaludes.
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♪ If I could ask you
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It was a time of indulgence,
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the whole "greed is good."
We out here being fabulous.
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Crazy drug use,
and also wild abandon
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and perversity and shocking.
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♪ Ooh, ooh,
I want to understand you ♪
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Growing up in the '80s,
it was like a cultural rebellion
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was taking place,
like, all across America,
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where people were trying to find
themselves, find their identity.
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It was a fearlessness.
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♪ And English is
my second language ♪
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We would spend a lot of time
at a club called Weekends,
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where RuPaul was dancing
on a box on the dance floor.
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And then we would go
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to Backstreet a lot,
which is a gay club.
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♪ Lost in translation
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And then there was another club
that was the 24-hour club,
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and you know you were in deep
if you went there.
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♪ Lost in translation
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Sex was all over the place.
The culture was sexual.
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People's dress was sexual.
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And a lot of sex.
A lot of sex going on.
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This is Club Rio,
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a popular night spot
here in Atlanta.
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Club Rio wasn't a club
that we would frequent
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'cause it was more
of a heterosexual scene.
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We were there earlier.
We were doing a photo shoot
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for the salon, for marketing.
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So, obviously we did hair,
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and we ended up lingering on
into the early evening,
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and that is when
the celebrities came in.
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Well, they are young,
rich, and almost famous,
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and they are desirable to just
about every female under 20.
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They're officially
known as the Brat Pack.
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The Brat Pack were
very emblematic of the 1980s.
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This was a new breed
of celebrity.
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Demi Moore, Emilio Estevez,
Judd Nelson.
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They were young. They were rich.
They were white.
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They were popular.
They were everywhere.
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Ally Sheedy, Molly Ringwald.
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"The Breakfast Club,"
"The Outsiders,"
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and the new "St. Elmo's Fire."
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We are friends. We're all close.
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And in the industry,
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it's nice to have your friends
to support you.
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And Rob Lowe--he was kind of
starting to be seen
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as a person with some chops,
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but he was also
the ultimate teen wet dream,
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if we can say that.
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Rob Lowe was like, everything.
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Every girl had a crush on him.
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There was,
like, an edginess about him.
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He had the blue eyes.
Everybody loved this dude.
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Rob Lowe is acknowledged
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to have the prettiest face
of the class of '85.
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Celebrities were worshipped
in the '80s.
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People see celebrities
as these godlike things
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put up on a pedestal.
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Celebrity culture was
like a mythology of its own,
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because these
weren't people like us.
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These--These are people
that were on the television.
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It was just this fascination
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with people that had managed
to transcend normal human life.
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We got a lot of celebrities
here tonight.
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One of the big celebrities,
the actor Rob Lowe, is with us--
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one who followed Dukakis
all over this country.
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I mean, look at Rob Lowe.
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In July of 1988, he didn't go
off to Cabo for a weekend.
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He went to Atlanta, Georgia,
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to the Democratic
National Convention.
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- It's democracy. It's spec--
- Absolutely.
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It's not a spectator sport.
Everybody should do their part,
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whether it's me or you
or Justine.
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Everybody should get out
and do what they can.
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The night before the beginning
of the Democratic Convention,
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Rob Lowe showed up
at this place, the Club Rio.
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It was the Studio 54 of Atlanta.
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So, if you're a celebrity
from out of town,
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we're gonna go
to the hottest club.
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And according to the people
who work here,
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Rob Lowe made it
a regular hangout
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during the convention,
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often partying
in these VIP suites behind me
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with fellow Brat Packers
Judd Nelson and Ally Sheedy.
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I first learned
that Rob Lowe was in the club
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because I was standing
at the bar,
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and Ally Sheedy and Judd Nelson
came in and stood beside me.
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I had some crazy glasses on,
and he complimented me
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on the glasses,
and then I realized,
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oh, [bleep], that's, you know,
somebody famous.
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Well, they give Rob Lowe
the celebrity treatment.
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They brought him
to a special booth.
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They put up
a little velvet rope,
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gave him some champagne,
and all the women were lined up.
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Jan and Tara were waiting
outside of this private area.
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He walked by, and someone said,
"Oh, she has to meet you"--
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she being Jan.
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I think particularly Jan
was excited to meet Rob Lowe
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because Tara was a lesbian.
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Jan was going
through an experimental stage
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with her sexuality at that time,
and I think Tara
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was there to provide
that relationship for her
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at that time.
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The two girls were dying
to meet Rob Lowe,
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and I had the opportunity
to introduce them, and...
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They were friends of yours?
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- Yes, they were.
- So you introduced them?
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Yes, I introduced them,
not thinking,
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just, you know, starstruck.
They're starstruck.
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- I just introduced them.
- And he took a liking to them?
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Yes, he did.
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So, when they left the club,
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they went back
to Rob Lowe's hotel room.
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When they arrived
in front of Lowe's hotel,
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they emerged unnoticed
amidst the stretch limos.
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Rob Lowe had a video recorder.
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Rob is a celebrity. Rob is rich.
Rob has the latest technology.
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Because Rob was going to do
a documentary
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about the Democratic Convention.
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The camera that was used
was connected
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with a cable like this one
to the TV set in the hotel room
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so everybody
could see the action.
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Rob Lowe passed out.
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And Jan and Tara...
stole the tape...
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...and apparently $200
out of his wallet.
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That next week at work,
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Tara and Jan brought
the tape in
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to the owner of our salon.
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And said, "We [bleep] Rob Lowe.
We have the tape of it.
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We can't watch it. Can you
help us change this tape?"
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There are 70 million VCRs
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in American homes right now.
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People don't know how
to use them.
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He gets some
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freelance videographer friend
of his to help,
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and they make two copies.
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Yeah, I think he was. Yeah.
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He could take... things
and put 'em on--on tape.
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I didn't know him personally.
I just knew that he did some
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recording for us at the salon,
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but he was obviously friends
with the owner of the salon.
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He gave the tape back to Jan,
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who apparently hid it
in her closet.
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He may have been the one
who made copies of the tape
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for so many people.
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And I think this is how
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the [bleep] hit the fan,
if you will.
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At the salon, we were
definitely watching it
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on a television
with the VHS player,
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I guess, is what it was,
and it was a small group of us.
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We were huddled together
watching the sex tape,
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and it was...
it was actually quiet.
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We were all, I think, just
watching a little bit in awe.
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It was slightly uncomfortable,
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only because watching
Jan and Tara
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was a little uncomfortable.
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Old-timey video recorder.
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Most of that segment is
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Rob shooting the two women
having sex together.
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At some point, you see, like,
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his hand coming in
and caressing them.
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And then there's one part
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where Tara explains on Jan
where her anatomy is.
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"This is the [bleep].
This is..." et cetera.
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And then they took the recorder
from Rob Lowe,
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and they were recording him.
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This is crazy.
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Is this the camera
that Rob Lowe used?
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This is what changed
Rob Lowe's world.
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Jan turns to the camera
and kisses it
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and says, "This is so much fun,"
and then the camera goes off.
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Word spread. People were
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talking about, you know,
a Hollywood player
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was in big trouble.
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I was in my office, and I
got a call from Burt Kearns.
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It was May 20, 1989.
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I was the managing editor
of "A Current Affair."
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Rob Lowe was in a club,
and there's a sex tape,
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and we've got to find it,
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and we've got to find the girls
that were in the sex tape.
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The Rob Lowe sex tape--
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Club Rio is projecting this
on the screens.
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There were rumors
that they were running this tape
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over and over again
to the backdrop of the music.
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I don't know how it got leaked.
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I feel like somehow,
maybe the one
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who made copies of the tape
for so many people
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got the tape out there
to Club Rio.
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We will never know
until we unearth it
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in an archaeological expedition
somewhere.
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But nobody ever keeps a secret.
Like, nobody.
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There was more than one copy.
This tape was everywhere.
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"Get this [bleep] tape.
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Get your asses down
to Atlanta now."
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Jump on a plane. Get to
Atlanta. I was there that day.
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"Do not come back
without this tape.
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Get the tape. Get... the... tape."
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A reporter shows up in Atlanta.
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The producer
shows up in Atlanta.
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I was staying
at the Atlanta Hilton
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where Rob stayed,
trying to hit up
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the housekeeping staff
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for any tidbits I could find.
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It was a frenzy
to talk to anybody.
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The scene was crazy.
There were rowdy bars.
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I was in my 20s,
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and I was by myself
with a camera crew.
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So, I was a little nervous.
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Well, I remember finding
this bouncer,
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and he was really tied
into the people at Club Rio.
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And that's how I found out that
the girls lived in Marietta...
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...and that they worked
at a hair salon.
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The salon was covered
with reporters outside.
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I mean, cameras 24/7
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trying to get in the salon
to get an appointment,
493
00:24:39,833 --> 00:24:42,874
just to talk about it,
and it was a real [bleep]show.
494
00:24:44,875 --> 00:24:47,832
The people of Marietta
were more conservative,
495
00:24:47,833 --> 00:24:50,624
so to think that we were part
of something like that,
496
00:24:50,625 --> 00:24:53,542
then we were judged
as Devil worshippers,
497
00:24:53,667 --> 00:24:55,917
and we, you know, sacrificed
goats and drank their blood.
498
00:24:56,042 --> 00:24:58,166
You know,
just really crazy stuff.
499
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:06,457
It was such a shock
that the tape got out there
500
00:25:06,458 --> 00:25:11,124
and that we were, even though
weren't in the tape personally,
501
00:25:11,125 --> 00:25:15,000
that the tape got out there
and that it was just shocking.
502
00:25:17,042 --> 00:25:19,957
We find out more
that the local Fox station
503
00:25:19,958 --> 00:25:24,708
and "A Current Affair"
was a Fox show, had the tape,
504
00:25:24,833 --> 00:25:27,666
and they were running parts
of it on their local news.
505
00:25:27,667 --> 00:25:30,957
The guy from "Inside Edition"
is also looking for the tape.
506
00:25:30,958 --> 00:25:32,582
This guy happened to be
507
00:25:32,583 --> 00:25:35,499
Geraldo Rivera's
younger brother, Craig Rivera.
508
00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:37,707
Our guys--they said, you know,
509
00:25:37,708 --> 00:25:39,249
"This--this Rivera guy
is right on our case."
510
00:25:39,250 --> 00:25:43,082
I said, "Well, do something
to keep Rivera occupied."
511
00:25:44,875 --> 00:25:49,082
Well, our reporter called Rivera
at his hotel room...
512
00:25:49,083 --> 00:25:51,000
...and said, uh,
513
00:25:51,125 --> 00:25:54,166
"I understand you're looking
for this Rob Lowe sex tape."
514
00:25:54,167 --> 00:25:58,666
"Yes, I am." "Well, um, okay.
Uh, I want $5,000."
515
00:25:58,667 --> 00:26:01,374
"Okay, fine." "Just wait.
I'll deliver it to you."
516
00:26:03,458 --> 00:26:05,124
Craig Rivera
waited in his hotel room.
517
00:26:07,833 --> 00:26:10,375
Yeah, he might...
He might still be there.
518
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:12,457
Uh, he--he did not get the tape.
519
00:26:12,458 --> 00:26:14,666
We get the tape back.
520
00:26:14,667 --> 00:26:16,666
Monday morning, we know
that we have the exclusive
521
00:26:16,667 --> 00:26:18,041
at "A Current Affair."
522
00:26:18,042 --> 00:26:20,166
We ran it to death.
523
00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:26,416
The full home video
that allegedly stars Rob Lowe
524
00:26:26,417 --> 00:26:27,999
covers a wide range
of activities,
525
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,957
from a batting session
with the Atlanta Braves
526
00:26:29,958 --> 00:26:33,374
to a meeting with Tom Hayden,
and then the tape gets darker.
527
00:26:33,375 --> 00:26:36,374
Jan's mom found the tape that
she had hidden in her closet,
528
00:26:36,375 --> 00:26:38,083
which she probably
shouldn't have done,
529
00:26:38,208 --> 00:26:40,207
because if she knows
anything about being a mother,
530
00:26:40,208 --> 00:26:42,332
they're always gonna snoop
and find your [bleep].
531
00:26:42,333 --> 00:26:44,500
So, her mother found the tape,
532
00:26:44,625 --> 00:26:48,667
and I'm thinking that that's how
this whole lawsuit got started.
533
00:26:48,833 --> 00:26:51,999
An Atlanta mother says he is
the man in a pornographic tape
534
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,791
that involved
her underage daughter.
535
00:26:53,792 --> 00:26:56,999
Could land him in jail
for up to 20 years.
536
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,916
Rob Lowe was now facing,
you know, 20 years in jail.
537
00:27:06,917 --> 00:27:07,625
Rob Lowe denies
that he's the star
538
00:27:07,833 --> 00:27:09,000
of tonight's main story.
539
00:27:09,375 --> 00:27:11,999
An Atlanta mother says he is
the man in pornographic tapes
540
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,999
that involved
her underage daughter.
541
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,999
We knew right away
that Rob Lowe was in trouble
542
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,416
because it was
the district attorney
543
00:27:19,417 --> 00:27:21,499
who announced that
Rob Lowe was now facing,
544
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:23,791
you know, 20 years in jail.
545
00:27:23,792 --> 00:27:28,750
The age of consent to have sex
in Georgia was 14 at the time,
546
00:27:28,875 --> 00:27:33,124
but the age of consent
to have your sex filmed was 18.
547
00:27:33,125 --> 00:27:35,832
14 is incredibly young.
548
00:27:35,833 --> 00:27:41,832
It's completely insane that
that was the law in 1988.
549
00:27:41,833 --> 00:27:45,749
I don't think a 16-year-old can
consent to sex with an adult.
550
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:47,541
I don't think they're ready.
551
00:27:47,542 --> 00:27:49,041
I don't think they have
the maturity for it.
552
00:27:49,042 --> 00:27:51,957
The club's position
is she had a fake ID.
553
00:27:51,958 --> 00:27:54,666
Rob Lowe says
that he's done nothing wrong,
554
00:27:54,667 --> 00:27:56,541
and his lawyers asked a judge
in Atlanta today
555
00:27:56,542 --> 00:27:58,541
to throw out a lawsuit
against the young actor.
556
00:27:58,542 --> 00:28:01,624
He felt betrayed. Felt like,
"I was in the [bleep] club.
557
00:28:01,625 --> 00:28:03,832
I met this girl.
558
00:28:03,833 --> 00:28:06,832
She was supposed to be 21.
She certainly acted 21,
559
00:28:06,833 --> 00:28:10,291
and I did what
consenting adults do."
560
00:28:10,292 --> 00:28:12,999
I really don't think
that Rob Lowe had any idea
561
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,124
that he was sleeping
with an underage person.
562
00:28:16,125 --> 00:28:17,791
All week,
everybody's trying to be getting
563
00:28:17,792 --> 00:28:19,791
some comment from you.
564
00:28:19,792 --> 00:28:22,166
Do you have anything to say
to anybody? Nothing at all?
565
00:28:22,167 --> 00:28:24,707
Rob Lowe went into hiding.
He didn't come out
566
00:28:24,708 --> 00:28:26,417
and, you know, give--
give a press conference.
567
00:28:26,542 --> 00:28:28,124
Lowe's been lying low
568
00:28:28,125 --> 00:28:30,666
since that scandal
hit the fans a few months ago.
569
00:28:30,667 --> 00:28:32,374
He didn't take it well.
570
00:28:32,375 --> 00:28:35,041
He stayed in his house
for a good four months.
571
00:28:35,042 --> 00:28:37,957
We went back to Los Angeles,
572
00:28:37,958 --> 00:28:40,541
and my assignment
was to find Rob
573
00:28:40,542 --> 00:28:43,833
and to distract
the other reporters.
574
00:28:43,958 --> 00:28:46,332
So, we found
a Rob Lowe lookalike
575
00:28:46,333 --> 00:28:47,957
and a limousine,
576
00:28:47,958 --> 00:28:50,416
and we had
the limousine pull up,
577
00:28:50,417 --> 00:28:52,541
and we had
the Rob Lowe lookalike
578
00:28:52,542 --> 00:28:54,124
come out of the bushes,
579
00:28:54,125 --> 00:28:56,499
and all the reporters
from all the other shows
580
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:58,499
just took off
after this limousine.
581
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:02,374
And meanwhile, we had this tray
of bagels and lox in the car.
582
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,082
So we got onion and egg
583
00:29:06,083 --> 00:29:09,957
and water bagels,
and we got some lox,
584
00:29:09,958 --> 00:29:12,332
the good stuff from Greenblatt's
and cream cheese
585
00:29:12,333 --> 00:29:15,499
and, like, more orange juice
than anyone could ever drink.
586
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:17,583
And I was just wondering,
'cause I know you're in there,
587
00:29:17,708 --> 00:29:19,500
'cause where else would you go?
588
00:29:19,625 --> 00:29:22,791
Um, will you come out and have
a little picnic with us?
589
00:29:22,792 --> 00:29:24,333
Some other person--
590
00:29:24,458 --> 00:29:26,999
I actually think it might have
been Chris Penn--
591
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,666
opened the door and said,
"What are you doing here?"
592
00:29:29,667 --> 00:29:31,875
"I'm bringing bagels and lox
to Rob.
593
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,667
I wanna know how he feels
about his sex tape."
594
00:29:35,792 --> 00:29:37,832
And, um, I was turned away,
595
00:29:37,833 --> 00:29:39,708
but they took
the bagels and lox.
596
00:29:41,250 --> 00:29:43,582
Actor Rob Lowe
will not go to jail.
597
00:29:43,583 --> 00:29:46,166
Atlanta prosecutors say
they won't charge Lowe because
598
00:29:46,167 --> 00:29:49,124
he has agreed to do 20 hours
of community service.
599
00:29:49,125 --> 00:29:53,207
He will work with disadvantaged
young people in Los Angeles.
600
00:29:55,458 --> 00:29:58,957
So, in the end, there were
no criminal charges.
601
00:29:58,958 --> 00:30:04,332
The civil suit was settled
for an undisclosed amount,
602
00:30:04,333 --> 00:30:06,542
and, um...
603
00:30:06,708 --> 00:30:09,375
that was it.
604
00:30:12,417 --> 00:30:14,374
I never saw
either one of them again.
605
00:30:17,167 --> 00:30:19,874
It was like they disappeared
off the face of the earth.
606
00:30:19,875 --> 00:30:21,666
Uh, they were there one day,
607
00:30:21,667 --> 00:30:23,457
and then both of them
were gone the next.
608
00:30:23,458 --> 00:30:26,333
I never, since then,
have seen either one of them.
609
00:30:28,750 --> 00:30:31,957
No. No.
610
00:30:31,958 --> 00:30:35,374
No idea. Like I said,
here one day, gone the next.
611
00:30:38,167 --> 00:30:40,208
Now, last night, we asked
if you thought all the publicity
612
00:30:40,375 --> 00:30:42,249
surrounding the Rob Lowe case
could harm his career.
613
00:30:42,250 --> 00:30:44,124
And here are
the results of that poll.
614
00:30:44,125 --> 00:30:46,374
Many thousands of phone calls.
615
00:30:46,375 --> 00:30:48,582
34% of you thought
it would harm his career,
616
00:30:48,583 --> 00:30:50,957
while about
twice that number, 66%,
617
00:30:50,958 --> 00:30:54,833
believed it would do no harm
to Rob Lowe's career.
618
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,832
Chin up, Rob.
We'll be back in a minute.
619
00:30:56,833 --> 00:30:58,999
At the time, the "L.A. Times"
620
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,374
interviews an anonymous
Hollywood exec and asked,
621
00:31:03,375 --> 00:31:06,082
"Do you think this is gonna
have an impact on his career?"
622
00:31:06,083 --> 00:31:09,207
And he's, like, "No. You know,
the only way this would
623
00:31:09,208 --> 00:31:12,791
impact his career is if it
had been a gay video."
624
00:31:12,792 --> 00:31:14,999
The idea of him being
perhaps sexually involved
625
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,707
with an adult man,
626
00:31:16,708 --> 00:31:19,041
somebody who was able
to consent,
627
00:31:19,042 --> 00:31:22,167
would be more controversial
and more damning to his career.
628
00:31:22,333 --> 00:31:24,999
I don't think
it hurt his career one bit.
629
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,332
Obviously, he's still
out there doing what he does,
630
00:31:27,333 --> 00:31:29,457
which is a little shocking,
because if it were
631
00:31:29,458 --> 00:31:32,332
in this day and age
and a celebrity was caught
632
00:31:32,333 --> 00:31:34,582
making a sex tape
with a 16-year-old,
633
00:31:34,583 --> 00:31:36,666
I think that it would be
a completely different story.
634
00:31:38,250 --> 00:31:42,041
The sex tape
sent Rob Lowe to rehab.
635
00:31:42,042 --> 00:31:45,166
It led him to rethink his life.
It led him to rethink
636
00:31:45,167 --> 00:31:47,374
the friends
he was hanging out with.
637
00:31:47,375 --> 00:31:51,166
I may be a-a known actor,
and I may be a public figure,
638
00:31:51,167 --> 00:31:53,874
but I'm a human being,
and I hurt,
639
00:31:53,875 --> 00:32:00,166
and I'm embarrassed, and I have
family that didn't ask for this,
640
00:32:00,167 --> 00:32:04,166
and, um, it's been
very, very difficult.
641
00:32:04,167 --> 00:32:07,166
Rob Lowe would not be
the Rob Lowe we know today.
642
00:32:14,167 --> 00:32:16,166
- Yeah.
- It was a big thing at the time,
643
00:32:16,167 --> 00:32:18,042
but you write very eloquently
about it in your--in your book.
644
00:32:18,167 --> 00:32:19,957
It's one of the reasons
why I got sober.
645
00:32:19,958 --> 00:32:21,667
You know, it's like I woke up
one day and was like,
646
00:32:21,833 --> 00:32:24,999
what am I doing with my life?
- And people kind of forgave him.
647
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,833
He settled down,
and he was able to, you know,
648
00:32:26,958 --> 00:32:29,457
move--move on from that
and establish a career.
649
00:32:31,542 --> 00:32:33,332
In the same era, there's a tape
650
00:32:33,333 --> 00:32:36,916
that leaks of Jayne Kennedy,
the actress-journalist,
651
00:32:36,917 --> 00:32:38,916
and her husband having sex.
652
00:32:38,917 --> 00:32:40,707
She was the co-anchor
of "NFL Today."
653
00:32:40,708 --> 00:32:44,999
She was also an actress
on "The Six Million Dollar Man"
654
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,416
and "Sanford and Son,"
and "Starsky & Hutch."
655
00:32:47,417 --> 00:32:49,917
Jayne Kennedy--
656
00:32:50,042 --> 00:32:52,916
not enough people know
her story, and they should.
657
00:32:52,917 --> 00:32:54,458
And a sex tape ruined it all.
658
00:33:02,042 --> 00:33:04,624
I don't know
who Jayne Kennedy is.
659
00:33:04,625 --> 00:33:06,208
No.
660
00:33:06,333 --> 00:33:07,832
No.
661
00:33:07,833 --> 00:33:10,457
Jayne Kennedy--
she worked for CBS?
662
00:33:10,458 --> 00:33:13,457
When the Dallas Cowboys arrived
in New York late yesterday,
663
00:33:13,458 --> 00:33:15,541
CBS had a cassette
of "Too Tall" Jones' bout
664
00:33:15,542 --> 00:33:17,083
ready for them to view.
665
00:33:17,208 --> 00:33:21,207
For a lot of us who are
in sports media now,
666
00:33:21,208 --> 00:33:25,041
Jayne Kennedy--she's the OG.
667
00:33:25,042 --> 00:33:29,167
She was the Halle Berry of
the '70s and '80s but in sports.
668
00:33:29,292 --> 00:33:32,582
She had a national presence
as a Black woman in sports,
669
00:33:32,583 --> 00:33:36,166
especially to be on the NFL's
premier show as a Black woman.
670
00:33:36,167 --> 00:33:37,791
For the next hour,
we're going to preview
671
00:33:37,792 --> 00:33:39,499
the upcoming NFL season.
672
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:41,916
You'll see the teams to
remember and the ones to forget.
673
00:33:41,917 --> 00:33:44,791
She was one
of the GOATs in media.
674
00:33:44,792 --> 00:33:48,332
Nobody else could get
Muhammad Ali to interview him,
675
00:33:48,333 --> 00:33:49,707
and she got him.
676
00:33:49,708 --> 00:33:51,416
Jayne Kennedy was huge.
677
00:33:51,417 --> 00:33:53,624
But not only was she, you know,
a great broadcaster,
678
00:33:53,625 --> 00:33:57,291
I mean, she was
considered to just be a queen.
679
00:33:57,292 --> 00:33:58,708
Miss Ohio!
680
00:34:02,167 --> 00:34:05,583
Jayne Kennedy was the first
Black Miss Ohio in 1970.
681
00:34:05,708 --> 00:34:08,542
She's from Wickliffe
and is 18 years old.
682
00:34:08,667 --> 00:34:11,957
At 19, I left Ohio, and I said
I wanted to go out
683
00:34:11,958 --> 00:34:14,499
and try the world
of Hollywood.
684
00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:16,666
Jayne Kennedy
was also an actress,
685
00:34:16,667 --> 00:34:18,874
and she was on
"The Six Million Dollar Man"...
686
00:34:18,875 --> 00:34:20,500
- Okay, bye.
- Take care,
687
00:34:20,625 --> 00:34:22,999
-..."Sanford and Son."
- I love you, Lamont.
688
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,999
I love you, Brenda.
689
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,374
...and "Starsky & Hutch."
690
00:34:28,708 --> 00:34:30,666
She definitely was
on "The Love Boat" a lot.
691
00:34:30,667 --> 00:34:33,249
I remember having very warm
feelings towards Jayne Kennedy.
692
00:34:33,250 --> 00:34:37,333
She became the co-anchor
of "NFL Today" in 1978.
693
00:34:37,458 --> 00:34:40,082
With her being the first
Black woman to do that,
694
00:34:40,083 --> 00:34:42,457
it was just sort of like,
okay, this is another
695
00:34:42,458 --> 00:34:45,500
historic milestone in her career
of historic milestones.
696
00:34:45,625 --> 00:34:49,416
Leon Isaac Kennedy
was Jayne Kennedy's husband.
697
00:34:49,417 --> 00:34:51,082
You know, at the time,
it was like he was this big,
698
00:34:51,083 --> 00:34:53,207
kind of tough guy
and good-looking
699
00:34:53,208 --> 00:34:55,417
and was known as being,
like, a big-time actor.
700
00:34:55,542 --> 00:34:57,124
He was a stand-up guy
during this time.
701
00:34:57,125 --> 00:34:58,916
He had a lot
going for him in terms
702
00:34:58,917 --> 00:35:01,374
that he was kind of like
a Sugar Ray Leonard lookalike.
703
00:35:01,375 --> 00:35:04,417
So, they had worked
with each other on the set
704
00:35:04,542 --> 00:35:06,832
of a movie
called "Body and Soul."
705
00:35:06,833 --> 00:35:09,500
If you care anything at all
about me, you wouldn't do this,
706
00:35:09,625 --> 00:35:11,499
because this might be easy
to you,
707
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:14,666
but it took me a long time
to get you out of my system.
708
00:35:14,667 --> 00:35:18,332
I believe she did win
an NAACP Image Award for.
709
00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:20,042
I guess, for the time,
710
00:35:20,167 --> 00:35:21,666
they were what we call today
relationship goals.
711
00:35:21,667 --> 00:35:23,041
It's like, here you had
712
00:35:23,042 --> 00:35:25,791
this graceful, beautiful,
intelligent,
713
00:35:25,792 --> 00:35:31,124
smart, dynamic woman
with this Hollywood actor.
714
00:35:31,125 --> 00:35:33,332
They were considered
the perfect match.
715
00:35:33,333 --> 00:35:36,041
They were kind of
an "it" couple.
716
00:35:36,042 --> 00:35:37,332
And Black people
were really struggling
717
00:35:37,333 --> 00:35:39,874
for our images in--
in pop culture.
718
00:35:39,875 --> 00:35:42,249
We wanted to own them. We wanted
to feel vested in them.
719
00:35:42,250 --> 00:35:44,250
So, now we--
we finally had somebody.
720
00:35:44,375 --> 00:35:47,291
The school system always said,
you grow up, you be a housewife,
721
00:35:47,292 --> 00:35:49,417
a teacher, or a secretary,
722
00:35:49,542 --> 00:35:52,124
and that's basically it
for young ladies.
723
00:35:52,125 --> 00:35:55,333
And there's so much more
that life has to offer.
724
00:35:55,458 --> 00:35:58,542
Jayne Kennedy is a pioneer,
so it just seemed really strange
725
00:35:58,667 --> 00:36:00,999
that all of a sudden,
she was gone.
726
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,707
It was like Jayne Kennedy
vanished almost,
727
00:36:03,708 --> 00:36:05,542
and I didn't know why.
728
00:36:10,375 --> 00:36:13,291
The first celebrity sex tape
I ever saw
729
00:36:13,292 --> 00:36:15,957
was the Jayne Kennedy sex tape
730
00:36:15,958 --> 00:36:19,999
that was, I guess,
filmed in the late '70s.
731
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,124
The person in the video with her
was Leon Isaac Kennedy,
732
00:36:23,125 --> 00:36:25,082
her husband.
733
00:36:25,083 --> 00:36:26,832
They were a couple.
They were in love.
734
00:36:26,833 --> 00:36:31,417
This was for them, and if you
had a Betamax, you were rich.
735
00:36:31,542 --> 00:36:33,750
So, they obviously had
the equipment. They did it.
736
00:36:33,875 --> 00:36:38,749
It was an intimate moment,
and then it somehow... got out.
737
00:36:41,542 --> 00:36:44,416
I remember I couldn't believe
that this existed.
738
00:36:44,417 --> 00:36:46,082
But you have to understand,
739
00:36:46,083 --> 00:36:47,666
this wasn't something
you could buy legally.
740
00:36:47,667 --> 00:36:50,166
It wasn't something
that was on cable television,
741
00:36:50,167 --> 00:36:53,207
and it was distributed
in the underground,
742
00:36:53,208 --> 00:36:57,000
and I think a friend of mine
showed it to me.
743
00:36:57,125 --> 00:36:58,582
It was very grainy.
744
00:36:58,583 --> 00:37:02,749
So, the story of the sex tape
is kind of opaque.
745
00:37:02,750 --> 00:37:06,207
This was kind of before
we even really had the language
746
00:37:06,208 --> 00:37:08,499
to talk about sex tapes,
747
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:12,333
but somehow footage of her
and her husband, Leon Kennedy,
748
00:37:12,458 --> 00:37:14,374
having sex leaked.
749
00:37:16,292 --> 00:37:17,832
When this tape came out,
750
00:37:17,833 --> 00:37:19,999
it was all the conversation
in the barbershop.
751
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,583
It was like
the Loch Ness Monster
752
00:37:21,708 --> 00:37:24,166
of sex tapes in terms
of you know somebody
753
00:37:24,167 --> 00:37:27,332
that may have said
that they've seen it,
754
00:37:27,333 --> 00:37:29,833
but they weren't able
to tell you much about it
755
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,916
besides, like, the broad notes.
756
00:37:31,917 --> 00:37:35,416
Back in the '80s, if something
like this comes out,
757
00:37:35,417 --> 00:37:38,249
it's kind of shocking 'cause
we don't know about this,
758
00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:40,749
and this seems
kind of pornography-adjacent.
759
00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:42,666
Even though
you're a married couple.
760
00:37:42,667 --> 00:37:45,082
It's just like, what is
going on here? What is this?
761
00:37:45,083 --> 00:37:48,041
It was such a gross invasion
of her life.
762
00:37:48,042 --> 00:37:49,917
For her to be the one
to pay the price
763
00:37:50,042 --> 00:37:52,707
for something that should have
never happened to her
764
00:37:52,708 --> 00:37:54,832
makes it
that much more sickening.
765
00:37:54,833 --> 00:37:58,207
It did tarnish her image,
and we owed her better.
766
00:37:58,208 --> 00:38:00,083
She was married.
That was her husband.
767
00:38:00,208 --> 00:38:01,917
It wasn't any of our business.
768
00:38:02,042 --> 00:38:06,124
It was really awful
because it--it ruined her image.
769
00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:15,249
I've lost, maybe I'd say,
60% of acting roles
770
00:38:15,250 --> 00:38:16,500
and things like that.
771
00:38:17,417 --> 00:38:20,249
Jayne Kennedy was fired
from CBS really famously
772
00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:22,416
from her sportscasting job,
but that was because
773
00:38:22,417 --> 00:38:24,999
she was doing work
for other people.
774
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,832
But from what I understand,
775
00:38:26,833 --> 00:38:31,416
she had a really hard time
getting work after word spread
776
00:38:31,417 --> 00:38:33,832
that, oh, my God,
this woman has a sexuality.
777
00:38:33,833 --> 00:38:35,832
Can you imagine
this person has sex?
778
00:38:35,833 --> 00:38:39,832
Their sex tape scandal
was considered to be
779
00:38:39,833 --> 00:38:41,999
the origin point
of celebrity sex tapes,
780
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,999
and it had
a devastating impact,
781
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,499
mostly
on Jayne Kennedy's career.
782
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,666
She--She took that brunt.
783
00:38:49,667 --> 00:38:52,291
You don't always wanna be
the first for somethin',
784
00:38:52,292 --> 00:38:54,124
and sadly, that was her.
785
00:38:54,125 --> 00:38:56,499
At that time,
it was not viewed the way
786
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:58,124
that these things
are viewed now
787
00:38:58,125 --> 00:38:59,457
or even as they came
to be viewed after them.
788
00:38:59,458 --> 00:39:01,666
And I can't say
that they're wrong.
789
00:39:01,667 --> 00:39:04,249
Like, that tape kind of
ruined her professional career,
790
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:05,708
or at least at the very least,
791
00:39:05,833 --> 00:39:07,499
the perception
in which she was seen.
792
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:09,707
Jayne Kennedy was so far ahead
of her time,
793
00:39:09,708 --> 00:39:14,417
and to see this beautiful woman
on the sidelines,
794
00:39:14,542 --> 00:39:16,291
you would never think
that they could do that.
795
00:39:16,292 --> 00:39:18,957
The one thing
that has been consistent
796
00:39:18,958 --> 00:39:22,249
about how Black women
are treated is erasure.
797
00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:24,291
And Jayne Kennedy--
798
00:39:24,292 --> 00:39:27,499
she had a couple things
working against her.
799
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:28,832
The phenomenon of what it was
800
00:39:28,833 --> 00:39:31,042
combined with her being Black
and a woman.
801
00:39:31,208 --> 00:39:34,582
I don't think she had much
of a career after that at all,
802
00:39:34,583 --> 00:39:38,749
which may have had something
to do with gender and race.
803
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:42,207
Jayne Kennedy
is the perfect example of...
804
00:39:42,208 --> 00:39:44,332
the double standards,
805
00:39:44,333 --> 00:39:47,332
and I just want
there to be one standard.
806
00:39:47,333 --> 00:39:49,874
I would like there to be
fairness.
807
00:39:51,583 --> 00:39:55,791
When it comes to how
those tapes or leaks are viewed,
808
00:39:55,792 --> 00:39:57,624
women are gonna pay
the ultimate penalty,
809
00:39:57,625 --> 00:39:59,332
especially
if you're a Black woman.
810
00:39:59,333 --> 00:40:01,666
Now, Rob Lowe--
he never had to stop doing
811
00:40:01,667 --> 00:40:03,999
the thing that he loved
because he's a man.
812
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,999
And Jayne Kennedy's
not gonna get that grace,
813
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,791
because the penalty is
always harsher for women.
814
00:40:09,792 --> 00:40:11,749
I had worked my butt off
for nearly 10 years
815
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:14,499
before I even joined
the "NFL Today."
816
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:16,999
You know
the proverbial three strikes?
817
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,416
Well, strike one, I was a woman.
818
00:40:19,417 --> 00:40:21,833
Strike two, I was Black.
819
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,583
So I really only ever had
one chance, just one,
820
00:40:25,708 --> 00:40:29,624
and I was determined that
I was not going to strike out.
821
00:40:29,625 --> 00:40:33,957
I think it's just really tragic
the way that her story unfolded,
822
00:40:33,958 --> 00:40:36,832
and she's somebody
who we should be giving
823
00:40:36,833 --> 00:40:38,167
a lot of flowers to,
824
00:40:38,292 --> 00:40:39,749
especially if you're
a Black woman,
825
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:41,707
you're in sports media,
'cause she totally
826
00:40:41,708 --> 00:40:45,041
opened a door
that was not open for us at all.
827
00:40:45,042 --> 00:40:48,207
And so I don't look at her
as somebody that has
828
00:40:48,208 --> 00:40:50,207
anything to be ashamed of.
829
00:40:50,208 --> 00:40:52,917
I look at Jayne Kennedy as--
as a hero.
830
00:40:53,042 --> 00:40:56,167
I was in Washington, D.C.,
a couple of years ago,
831
00:40:56,292 --> 00:40:58,291
and I was
at the Smithsonian Museum
832
00:40:58,292 --> 00:41:00,541
of African American
History and Culture
833
00:41:00,542 --> 00:41:02,166
in the Oprah Winfrey wing,
834
00:41:02,167 --> 00:41:07,249
and they had a picture of me
on the desk at CBS Sports,
835
00:41:07,250 --> 00:41:10,416
and, um,
alongside Nat King Cole,
836
00:41:10,417 --> 00:41:13,332
Diahann Carroll, the Supremes,
837
00:41:13,333 --> 00:41:15,957
and Nichelle Nichols,
Don Cornelius,
838
00:41:15,958 --> 00:41:21,958
and that's when it hit me
that I was living history.
839
00:41:23,250 --> 00:41:25,291
There was an incremental growth,
840
00:41:25,292 --> 00:41:27,916
the video camera as a home item,
841
00:41:27,917 --> 00:41:30,166
and the quality got better
and better and better.
842
00:41:30,167 --> 00:41:31,874
And so the idea that
843
00:41:31,875 --> 00:41:33,541
you're gonna film yourself
having sex,
844
00:41:33,542 --> 00:41:35,875
that idea
became very mainstream.
845
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,916
This is
a sexy, sneaky little guy.
846
00:41:38,917 --> 00:41:42,875
I can definitely imagine
somebody hiding one of these.
847
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,541
I don't think
you could be alive and conscious
848
00:41:45,542 --> 00:41:47,666
without being familiar
with that tape.
849
00:41:47,667 --> 00:41:50,666
The media narrative
was that she wanted
850
00:41:50,667 --> 00:41:52,332
to be doing this,
and this was the only way
851
00:41:52,333 --> 00:41:54,332
that she could be portrayed.
852
00:41:54,333 --> 00:41:56,291
We were told to just
don't ask her about it.
853
00:41:56,292 --> 00:41:57,832
We're gonna
take you to see the tape.
854
00:41:57,833 --> 00:41:59,208
Put a bandana over my head.
855
00:41:59,333 --> 00:42:01,667
I was thrown
in a hatchback of a Honda.
856
00:42:01,792 --> 00:42:05,166
Drugs, paranoid.
She's flipping out.
857
00:42:05,167 --> 00:42:06,833
Everything exploded.
858
00:42:06,958 --> 00:42:10,207
That sex tape became
a financial revolution.
859
00:42:10,208 --> 00:42:12,666
Do scoundrels
do what they want?
860
00:42:12,667 --> 00:42:14,707
If they can
get away with it, sure.
861
00:42:14,708 --> 00:42:16,374
We're a sick society.
862
00:42:16,375 --> 00:42:17,916
And the victims can do nothing.
863
00:42:17,917 --> 00:42:21,791
How do you prepare for
your husband to betray you?
864
00:42:21,792 --> 00:42:24,832
People call it free speech,
when, really, it's abuse.
865
00:42:24,833 --> 00:42:29,708
The trauma it causes
and how it spirals from there.
866
00:42:29,833 --> 00:42:34,332
I just tried to just bury myself
like it wasn't happening.
867
00:42:36,125 --> 00:42:38,750
It's the saddest thing
to feel that way.
868
00:42:38,875 --> 00:42:43,707
How do you get off
of this hamster wheel of hell?
869
00:42:43,708 --> 00:42:44,874
How do you do it?
870
00:42:44,875 --> 00:42:47,167
Uh, okay,
you're gonna name names,
871
00:42:47,292 --> 00:42:50,749
and if I disclose to you that
I know who you're talking about,
872
00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:54,916
I'm disclosing secrets,
so you really shouldn't do that.
70483
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