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COMPUTER CHIMES,
WHIRRING
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WHIRRING
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'As a journalist,
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'you are consumed
by two questions constantly -
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'how to tell a story,
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'but, perhaps more crucially,
WHY to tell a story.
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'Imagine a country.
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'Nice weather.
Let's give it nice weather.'
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WIND GUSTS
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'Nice weather for England, anyway.
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'Imagine the people in this country
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'believe they are
living in a democracy,
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'believe in their own freedom.
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'But they are being abused
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'by a power so everyday
they don't know to look for it.
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'A treacherous combination of press,
the police and politicians
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'that hide in plain sight.
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'Imagine a country
where that concealment was...
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'Imagine a country where...
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'where the news organisations...'
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Shit!
CAR HORN HONKS
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Imagine it all deleted.
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HE SIGHS
Florid nonsense.
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'My name is Nick Davies.
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'I am a journalist,
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'and this is a story
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'that ends in seven
major police investigations,
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'nearly 40 convictions,
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'and some of the most
powerful people in this country
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'being brought to their knees.'
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Oh, no. It's too grand,
too grand, too grand.
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HE CLEARS THROAT
'My name is Nick Davies.
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'I'm a journalist.'
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Morning. I'll just check in.
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'This all started
with Stuart Kuttner.'
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Hello.
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Mm, no.
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HE CLICKS TONGUE
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'This is the most troubling story
I've ever written.
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'A story about the abuse of power
and the concealment of truth.'
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Hi. Hi. Nick Davies
for the Today programme.
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I'm late.
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British journalism is
"sloppy and morally bankrupt".
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That is the claim of the journalist
Nick Davies,
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who's written a book that shows how
often newspapers use illegal methods
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for getting their stories.
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It's called Flat Earth News,
and Nick Davies joins us now.
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Good morning.
Hi.
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You say "sloppy" because
newspapers use press releases,
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rather than
getting their own stories,
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and "morally bankrupt"
because of the illegality involved.
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Really, the root that binds together
all the different themes
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is that the logic of journalism
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has been overwhelmed
by the logic of commercialism.
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Journalists no longer
have the time or the resources
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to do their jobs properly.
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Instead, they're just
passive processors
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of unchecked second-hand material.
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OK, but you also...
You go much further in suggesting
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that there has been criminality
involved...
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Sure.
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..and that's generally accepted
within the press.
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OK. So, principally, that involves
hiring private investigators.
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They hire private investigators
to get your bank statements,
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your credit card statements,
your itemised phone bills,
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your tax records,
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even your health records
these creatures are getting.
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All of that is illegal.
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OK. We're joined by John Mullin,
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who is the editor
of The Independent On Sunday,
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and Stuart Kuttner,
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who's managing editor
of News Of The World.
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John Mullin, do you recognise this?
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Well, I ploughed my way
through the first half of the book,
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not the second half so far,
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and no-one can deny
that life in journalism
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is much harder than maybe it was
20, 30 years ago.
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But to say
that journalism as a whole
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is "a passive processor of news"?
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I think that's erroneous.
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Stuart Kuttner?
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Yes, I'll tell you what I think.
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I think, frankly,
listening to Nick Davies,
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I thought he was speaking from
a newsroom on another planet.
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SHE CHUCKLES
It is totally unrecognisable to me.
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Many years in newspapers
in Fleet Street.
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Now, of course,
at the News Of The World.
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But what did he say
that was so wrong?
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Well, he talks about,
if you like, er,
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shortcuts, PR interests,
commercial interests.
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I have to tell you, none of
my News Of The World journalists
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would recognise that at all.
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But what about the way
these people get the stories
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and access to personal information?
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Well, if it happens, it...
it shouldn't happen.
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It happened once
at the News Of The World.
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The reporter was fired,
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he went to prison,
the editor resigned.
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And while Nick
is talking about all this,
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I notice he doesn't mention
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The Guardian's own
act of criminality,
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when The Guardian forged the
signature of a cabinet minister...
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OK, I-I don't want to
go into details of the story.
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I think the charge
that Nick Davies...
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Sarah, you may not
want to go into detail,
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but Nick makes a broad-brush,
sweeping attack on our profession,
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which I happen to believe
is an honourable profession.
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VOICES MINGLE, ECHO
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PHONES RINGING,
CHATTER
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MAN: Hello, Mr...
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PHONES RINGING
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Did you hear it?
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I wish I hadn't.
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HE SIGHS
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You're too kind.
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I did say appearing on the Today
programme to attack journalism
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wasn't exactly
the most sensible idea.
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Listen, before I go home, I wanted
to talk to you about something.
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Good thing was, you weren't
representing The Guardian.
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You were talking about your book.
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My book.
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Though Kuttner did have a good go at
trying to besmirch us through you.
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I want out.
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HE INHALES
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Do you know anything
about baking competitions?
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No.
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I want to know how many people
cheat at baking competitions.
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A round number.
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Sounds like
exactly the sort of thing
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the Guardian
should be investigating (!)
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I don't mean out altogether.
I'd like to go to Brussels.
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Investigate a whole new horizon,
something well paid...
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Naturally.
..that will allow me to commute.
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The kids are old enough now to
be able to... I need you here.
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PHONES RINGING,
CHATTER
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Sadiq Khan. Bugged.
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40-year convention breached.
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And why? Keep the Americans happy.
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Needs a good journalist.
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Alan, I'm knackered.
Nobody likes me. I'm...
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Oh, come on.
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I like you... some of the time.
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And I'm sure there are
a few others who-who also... Please.
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Self-pity is not a redeeming
quality. We'll talk tomorrow.
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I'm freelance precisely so that I
don't need to talk to you tomorrow.
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You're freelance
with more or less a sole employer.
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I say you should
talk to me tomorrow.
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Mm. We've all been roasted
by Stuart bloody Kuttner.
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Bye.
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Let me explain. Alan is, erm...
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Well, we grew up together.
In journalism, that is.
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PHONE BUZZING
He's always understood... Sorry.
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Yep.
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MAN: 'Nick Davies?'
Who's this?
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'My name is...'
BLEEP
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Redacted, sorry.
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We'll call him Mr Apollo because...
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Erm, well, actually, because he's...
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It... It doesn't matter.
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How did you get this number?
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'Listen, Kuttner made a mistake.'
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Well, I made several,
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chief amongst them
appearing on the Today programme.
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'He said it happened once.'
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It happened once.
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It happened once
at the News Of The World.
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The reporter was fired,
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he went to prison,
the editor resigned.
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You're talking about phone hacking.
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'Nick, your book
only scratched the surface.
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'We have to meet face to face,
somewhere absolutely discreet.
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'I think you'll like what I have.'
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Where and when?
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In the beginning,
it was next to nothing.
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Two men were arrested
for hacking phones in 2006.
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A private investigator,
Glenn Mulcaire...
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..and the Royal Editor
of The News Of The World,
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Clive Goodman.
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The sentences they received
were short.
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The attention they got, limited.
But the crime was unusual.
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They had discovered
they could access
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other people's voicemail messages,
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and they spent months eavesdropping
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on three of Prince William's staff
at Clarence House.
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How? They didn't say.
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Why?
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For the discovery
of private information.
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It was the start of
the next six years of my life.
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KNOCKING ON DOOR
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To be clear, I've never told anyone
who Mr Apollo is.
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So some guesses have been made.
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Bad guess.
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KNOCKING ON DOOR
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No.
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KNOCKING ON DOOR
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No. Sorry, it's not you.
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KNOCKING ON DOOR
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OK.
HE CLEARS THROAT
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Oh, come on.
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HE SIGHS
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KNOCKING ON DOOR
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HE SIGHS
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Hi.
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You coming in, or...?
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Sure.
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Wow, this is nice.
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CHURCH BELLS RINGING
IN DISTANCE
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Nice choice of room.
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Just to check,
is The Guardian paying?
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Because if so, I'd implore you
to stay away from that minibar.
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Mulcaire, in the trial,
he said he'd hacked other...
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Five non-royals. I remember, yes.
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Um, Elle Macpherson...
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Sky Andrew, Max Clifford...
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He's a liar.
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Kuttner is a liar,
and one of the five is suing them.
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Which one?
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Well, that five
is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Hacking phones
at the News Of The World
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has been endemic.
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Endemic?
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Mm.
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They pick up their leads
by intercepting voicemails,
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and only then do they get
photographs and quotes,
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so as to lay a false trail,
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to pretend they found the story
through legitimate means.
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They've hacked thousands.
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Here.
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Dial a number.
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Someone who's likely to not answer.
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LINE RINGING OUT
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VOICEMAIL: 'This is Alan Rusbridger.
Please leave...'
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That's your phone-a-friend?
The editor of The Guardian?
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Press nine.
PHONE BEEPS
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AUTOMATED VOICE:
'Please enter your 4-digit PIN.'
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Enter one, two, three, four.
That's the factory setting.
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BEEPING
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AUTOMATED VOICE:
'Welcome to your voicemail.
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'You have one new message.'
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WOMAN: 'Alan, it's Mummy.
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'I'm just calling about Jill Wyatt.
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'She won best sponge again,
and I'm sure she cheated.'
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I don't wanna hear this.
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It's that easy?
Mm.
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Doesn't even need a Glenn Mulcaire
most of the time.
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And you're saying
this was widespread?
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Glenn's main job
was that when it got tricky,
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unlike with your Alan,
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was to blag
the mobile phone companies
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into resetting
the celebrities' PIN codes
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to their original factory setting.
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One, two, three, four.
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PHONE BUZZES
That's Alan.
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Please.
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'Who is this?'
Hi, yeah, it's Nick.
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'Oh.' Listen, change the voicemail
settings on your phone.
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'And how do I do that?'
258
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Ask a young person.
I've got to go. Bye.
259
00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,639
Who is suing?
260
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HE INHALES
261
00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,639
The person who is, is currently
trying to get Scotland Yard
262
00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,959
to hand over evidence
they collected and did nothing with
263
00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,400
when they arrested Mulcaire.
264
00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,959
It's evidence that could...
HE SIGHS
265
00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,319
..burn, fuck and destroy
everything. Twice over.
266
00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,960
You won't tell me which one
of the five it is, will you?
267
00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,959
I will tell you...
268
00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,959
that you're missing two names.
269
00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,959
Gordon Taylor and Simon Hughes.
270
00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,959
Will you go on the record?
271
00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,959
HE SIGHS
272
00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,959
If you dig, it comes from you.
273
00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:01,799
I-I can...
274
00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,960
I can confirm things, but...
HE SIGHS
275
00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,639
Ah, it's just another story
of journos behaving badly.
276
00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:11,959
You're not interested?
277
00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,959
It's interesting, but...
you should talk to someone else.
278
00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,959
Do you realise I could lose my job
just by talking to you?
279
00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,319
Don't worry,
this conversation never happened.
280
00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,959
No, no, no.
That's not my point, Nick. You...
281
00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,960
Think. Think who edited the paper.
282
00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,960
Think about where he sits now.
283
00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,960
You're talking about Andy Coulson.
284
00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,010
Stop him.
285
00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,010
Shit.
286
00:12:46,851 --> 00:12:53,319
AUTOMATED VOICE: 'Mind the gap.
Stand clear of the doors, please.'
287
00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,959
Andy Coulson,
a rapid-ascent journalist.
288
00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,159
From a local reporter
to Showbiz at The Sun,
289
00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,959
he was made editor
of News Of The World in 2003.
290
00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,959
Even after he resigned in 2007
291
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over the original
phone hacking case,
292
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it was seen as honourable,
293
00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,639
him carrying the can
for the one rogue reporter.
294
00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:11,960
"Not me, really, guv."
295
00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,010
But if he was... If he is...
296
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If this is endemic,
297
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he's David Cameron's
communications director.
298
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For him to be involved
in widespread criminality...
299
00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,960
No. No, bad idea.
300
00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,320
DOORBELL RINGS
301
00:13:40,911 --> 00:13:42,959
I'm not late.
302
00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,959
It would be fine
if you were to be a bit late,
303
00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:45,959
so you don't need to be so worried.
304
00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,959
Are they ready?
Are they ever ready?
305
00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,959
Kids?
306
00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:50,959
You OK?
307
00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,959
Kids!
GIRL: Yes, coming!
308
00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,959
Ooh, you're anxious to go, then.
309
00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,959
Sorry. How are you, etc?
310
00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,959
I'm fine, etc. Are you all right?
311
00:13:58,960 --> 00:13:59,959
Never better.
312
00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:01,959
Really? I heard you on the radio.
313
00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,959
Mm.
That sort of performance help sales?
314
00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:05,959
Oh, I would doubt it.
315
00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,010
Mm.
316
00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:09,479
I'm, erm...
317
00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,959
I am worried about... BLEEP.
318
00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,959
I'm not going to reveal
my child's name.
319
00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,959
Let's call him... Beans.
320
00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,959
He comes home,
locks himself in his room.
321
00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,959
I have tried to talk to him, but...
322
00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:22,959
Avoids all questions.
323
00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,320
So, do we bring the school in?
324
00:14:25,431 --> 00:14:29,959
Let's get the details,
make sure he wants the help.
325
00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,640
Oh, you sound like a journalist.
326
00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,010
Let me try.
327
00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,010
Let me try.
328
00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,480
OK.
329
00:14:55,911 --> 00:14:57,959
Got a new recipe.
330
00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,319
OK, Dad.
Stuffed tomato thing.
331
00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:01,959
Yeah, nice. Sounds good.
332
00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,959
I'll call you when it's ready.
It's Turkish.
333
00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,319
Yep.
So...
334
00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:06,960
I met someone today.
335
00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,319
A source.
336
00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,959
'He was pissed off with
what Kuttner said on the radio.'
337
00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:13,959
OK.
338
00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,959
Hacking was "endemic", he said,
at News Of The World.
339
00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,959
And someone is now
suing Scotland Yard
340
00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,959
for information on what was hacked.
341
00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,959
Now, I know... I know it's one of
either Elle Macpherson,
342
00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,959
Simon Hughes, Gordon Taylor,
Sky Andrew or Max Clifford.
343
00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:28,999
'But I don't know which one.'
344
00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,999
What do you think?
345
00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,959
Do I dig?
346
00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,959
Try to find out who it is?
If I find them, it might...
347
00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:36,959
we might get some evidence
348
00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,959
that proves foul play
was a bit more widespread.
349
00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,959
Imagine what it does
to Andy Coulson. He's about to...
350
00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,959
He could soon have keys
to 10 Downing Street.
351
00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,999
Did Cameron do
a fit-and-proper-person test on him?
352
00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,959
'Did he even look into
Coulson's past?'
353
00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,159
It's a good angle.
354
00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,959
'But another
"tabloids behaving badly" story?'
355
00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,959
I said the same thing.
356
00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,959
And who wants to kick a bees' nest?
357
00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,480
Murdoch, you know?
358
00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:02,999
This source...
359
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,959
'Has he got under your skin?'
360
00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,480
No. I just wanted
to talk it out with someone. You.
361
00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:11,959
Ah.
362
00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,959
Always grateful
to be your sounding board.
363
00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:16,010
'Go home, Alan.'
364
00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,959
Who says I'm in the office?
365
00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,960
'We'll always have Brussels. Bye.'
366
00:16:33,421 --> 00:16:35,959
It's creepy when you do that.
367
00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,959
Stare at me like that.
368
00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,010
How are you?
369
00:16:39,011 --> 00:16:40,959
Why are you asking?
370
00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,959
If there ever is anything
you need to discuss...
371
00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,960
Yes, Dad. I know.
372
00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,959
I, erm...
I-I never much liked school.
373
00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:11,959
I'm not being bullied.
374
00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,959
I always saw school
as a necessity...
375
00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,959
Why does everyone always think
I'm being bullied?
376
00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,960
..not a virtue. There was a guy...
377
00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,000
..who-who used to hit us.
378
00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,319
Another kid?
379
00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:25,960
Actually, a teacher.
380
00:17:26,911 --> 00:17:28,959
He used to...
381
00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,959
God, he used to really scare me.
382
00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,959
I-I never used to do well.
383
00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,010
Erm...
384
00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,959
Well, I never used to do well
with fear,
385
00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,159
but also, the thing
I remember most clearly...
386
00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,960
rage.
387
00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,320
I heard you on the radio.
388
00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,800
You listen to the Today programme?
389
00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,370
Mum makes us listen to or read
everything you do.
390
00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,959
"You've an impressive dad."
391
00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,959
And she says it like,
392
00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,959
"He may be a total dick,
but he's impressive."
393
00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,960
HE SCOFFS
All right.
394
00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,890
You know the story
of the dung beetle?
395
00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:10,999
God. Really, again?
396
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,959
If you want to fly free...
397
00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,959
First you have to eat a lot of shit.
398
00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,159
Sometimes you have to
ignore bullies.
399
00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,959
I'm not being bullied.
Sometimes you...
400
00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:18,959
you have to puncture them.
401
00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,999
I'm not, Dad.
There's always a way to...
402
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,479
There's always a chance
when the wankers...
403
00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:24,959
when they suddenly seem vulnerable.
404
00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,959
When they are...
405
00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,959
you have to clamp your pincers
onto them as hard as possible.
406
00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,010
Do not let go.
407
00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,960
Tomatoes are in the oven.
Ready in ten. They're Turkish.
408
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,960
I love you very much.
409
00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,220
WOMAN'S DISTORTED VOICE
410
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,320
'You stupid child!
411
00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,000
'You are SUCH a disappointment!'
412
00:19:04,251 --> 00:19:08,959
It won't surprise you to know
we didn't get the rights
413
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,960
to use their masthead.
414
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,010
Or this one.
415
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,320
DIALLING PHONE
416
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,959
Hi, it's Nick Davies.
417
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,959
You still have that contact
at Scotland Yard?
418
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:31,959
MAN 1: 'No, sorry, mate.
419
00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,479
'I really cannot be
getting involved with that one.
420
00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,639
'You know how it is.'
421
00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,959
But Andy Coulson will soon
be sitting in Downing Street.
422
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,959
MAN 2: 'Yeah, and Murdoch's
already sitting on Downing Street.'
423
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,959
Yeah, I-I...
424
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,159
Yes, I appreciate that.
I understand.
425
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,959
If I could get some evidence
of this...
426
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,959
MAN 2: 'No.'
MAN 3: 'No.'
427
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,959
MAN 4: 'No.'
All right. Thanks. Bye.
428
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,960
PHONE RINGS
429
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,959
NICK: Oh, hi.
Thanks for calling back.
430
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,959
Do you have the number for...
Name redacted.
431
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,960
See you later.
Yeah.
432
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,960
OK, great. Zero...
433
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,959
..seven, seven, zero, zero, nine,
434
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,959
zero, zero, nine, five, four.
435
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,959
Got that. Thank you.
436
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,959
Hi. I'm wondering
whether I could speak to
437
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,960
whoever represents Elle Macpherson.
438
00:20:20,911 --> 00:20:22,959
No, no, I'm not a fan.
439
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,959
No, I'm wondering
whether she's currently suing
440
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:26,959
the News Of The World.
441
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,959
Is that Max?
442
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,959
Hi, it's Nick Davies.
443
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,959
We met at The Orwell Prize.
444
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,960
I'm actually after a bit of insight.
445
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,960
Well, no. Just give me a chance...
LINE GOES DEAD
446
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,960
HE SIGHS
447
00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:01,959
Detective Buzz Aldrin?
448
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:02,959
Not his real name.
449
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,959
My name is Nick Davies.
I'm a Guardian journalist.
450
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,959
I believe you were looking into
the Clive Goodman case?
451
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,479
I'm very busy, Mr Davies.
452
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,959
I've followed your work, Buzz.
I know how principled you are.
453
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,959
I think you know that this...
what is happening here
454
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,959
is acutely in the public interest,
455
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,959
and if it's all dealt with
in behind-stairs deals,
456
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:17,959
it'll help no-one.
457
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,959
I can't talk to journalists.
You don't have to talk.
458
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,959
All I need to know is
which of the five non-royal names
459
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,959
in the Clive Goodman case
is now suing the paper.
460
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:25,959
Cough.
461
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,959
That's all I ask.
Cough when I hit the right name.
462
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:28,959
You are very persistent.
463
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:29,959
Because what I understand
464
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,959
is that those five names
represent thousands,
465
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,159
thousands of people
466
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,960
who've had their privacy stolen
by this newspaper. Please.
467
00:21:36,961 --> 00:21:38,999
Elle Macpherson.
468
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,960
Simon Hughes.
469
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,959
Gordon Taylor.
470
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:44,959
"BUZZ" COUGHS
471
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,160
Thank you.
472
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,100
You did the right thing.
473
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,960
CHATTER
474
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,959
Sorry, excuse me. Charlotte Harris?
475
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:08,959
Nick Davies at The Guardian.
476
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,959
I believe you represent
Gordon Taylor.
477
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,959
I'm due in court.
478
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,959
I understand that he's suing News
Of The World for breach of privacy.
479
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,959
Mr Davies, whether or not
Mr Taylor is my client,
480
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,959
I have no interest
in talking to any press. Sorry.
481
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,959
These so-called journalists...
482
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,959
bring our whole industry
into disrepute.
483
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,160
You're very persistent.
484
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,959
Well, can you...
485
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,959
can you tell me, then,
about John Hewison?
486
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,959
He's also a claimant, is he not?
487
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,479
And the interesting thing is,
488
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,479
if you ask the public
who those two are,
489
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,959
they might know Taylor.
490
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,959
They wouldn't know Hewison
because he's a lawyer.
491
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,799
Like you.
492
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,959
He's entrusted with
the secrets of others,
493
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,959
in the secrets of sports stars,
in his case,
494
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,639
which makes him interesting
to the News Of The World.
495
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,479
This is a news operation,
496
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,959
which is trying to undermine
the confidentiality
497
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,959
that crucially underlies
your profession.
498
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,959
If you want to fight it...
499
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,799
well, you're a tiger,
but they're lions.
500
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,060
The Guardian's a lion too.
501
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,959
Well, what if I'm neither
a lion nor a tiger?
502
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,960
What if... I am a walrus?
503
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,959
Walruses can be fierce.
504
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:13,959
And what if you're a...
505
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,959
See, I'm trying to think of
an annoying animal.
506
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,959
Has Mr Taylor settled?
SHE LAUGHS
507
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,319
What evidence do you have?
Are there other claimants?
508
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,639
I'm sure you must... you must be
looking to engage more clients.
509
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,319
Privacy cases like this
can sometimes...
510
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,959
HE STUTTERS
What did Max Mosley get?
511
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,959
๏ฟฝ60,000 and costs.
512
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,959
Line enough up, you could have
a class-action suit
513
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,159
worth a lot of money.
514
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,639
You were doing well,
reasonably well,
515
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,959
until you brought money into it.
516
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,959
I can't talk to you
about specific cases,
517
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,960
but I can tell you...
518
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,960
..I can tell you that
there is so much more to come.
519
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,960
PHONE BEEPS
520
00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:01,960
PHONE BUZZING
521
00:24:02,911 --> 00:24:04,959
Yep.
522
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,639
MR APOLLO: 'You've got the name.'
523
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,959
Mr Apollo, you're back.
524
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,959
Are you watching me?
525
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,790
'I take it you're still interested
in this case, then?'
526
00:24:16,611 --> 00:24:20,999
The deer is in the fireplace.
The lion is alight.
527
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,959
Wh-What the fuck are you doing?
528
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,959
Sorry, I...
I have a tendency to make jokes.
529
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,010
I was trying to...
trying to be a Russian spy.
530
00:24:28,011 --> 00:24:31,959
We could be spotted at any moment.
Do you know the risks?
531
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:32,959
I do. Sorry.
532
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,959
MR APOLLO SIGHS
533
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,959
So, you found the lawyer.
534
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,959
Is this some kind of a test?
535
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,319
Do I get a prize at the end of it?
536
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,959
Do you know how much
they're settling for? No.
537
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:43,959
MR APOLLO CHUCKLES
538
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,959
๏ฟฝ400,000 in damages,
another ๏ฟฝ300,000 in legal expenses,
539
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,959
and their associates
are getting ๏ฟฝ140,000 in damages,
540
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,799
plus their legal.
541
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,959
The whole package comes in
at just over a million pounds.
542
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,959
Now, that's a lot,
543
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,319
even for News International,
to stomach.
544
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,960
But...
545
00:25:01,961 --> 00:25:03,959
Max Mosley was...
546
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,959
They accused him
of being a Nazi at an orgy.
547
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:07,959
All he got was...
548
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,960
Was ๏ฟฝ60,000, yes.
Now you're getting it.
549
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,959
Look, I need...
550
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,479
I need paperwork,
or-or audio recording,
551
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,959
some sort of hard evidence.
552
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,319
I don't even have to publish it.
553
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,799
I just need to be able
to show The Guardian.
554
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,959
The preliminary hearings in 2007,
they're public record.
555
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,480
That's not enough.
556
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,010
Mm.
557
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,960
Right.
558
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,959
What is it?
You'll work it out.
559
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:39,959
Can I use it?
Nope.
560
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,959
I need to be able to use it.
561
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,959
Summarise it, yes.
562
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,959
Show it to your editor, yes.
563
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,319
Quote from it, no.
564
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,960
Can I have your number?
565
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:51,960
Be careful, Nick.
566
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:54,960
This could get nasty.
567
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,960
PHONE RINGING
568
00:26:08,491 --> 00:26:13,999
I have a piece on MPs' expenses
I want you to have a look at.
569
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,959
OK.
Do you want some gingerbread?
570
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,959
My mother made it.
It's not very good.
571
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,319
I have evidence.
572
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,999
How long did that take you to get?
573
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,800
Maybe two months.
And you've never mentioned it?
574
00:26:23,801 --> 00:26:26,999
They're paying out millions
to cover this up.
575
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,480
This is a story.
576
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,799
Nick, newspapers
reporting on newspapers...
577
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,959
But the editor of that newspaper
is about to enter government.
578
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,959
If Andy Coulson was complicit
in hacking phones as an editor,
579
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,670
imagine what he might do
to enemies of the Government.
580
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,319
Show me what you have.
581
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,960
OK, so...
582
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,959
Printout of an email.
583
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,959
ross.hindley@news-of-the-world
to shadowmen@yahoo.co.uk.
584
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,319
It's Glenn Mulcaire's email.
His email was "shadowmen"?
585
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,959
Mm. It says,
"Transcript for Neville.
586
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,959
"Wednesday, 29th of June, 2005."
587
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,159
I can read.
588
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,639
And Neville is...?
589
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,959
Neville Thurlbeck.
Chief reporter at News Of The World.
590
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,959
There are transcripts
of 35 voicemail messages
591
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,959
which had been left on the phones
of Gordon Taylor and a colleague.
592
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:15,959
It wasn't just Clive Goodman.
593
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,960
And then there's this.
594
00:27:18,341 --> 00:27:20,999
Greg Miskiw, assistant editor,
595
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,959
approving a payment of ๏ฟฝ7,000
to Mulcaire
596
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,479
for a story on Gordon Taylor.
597
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,959
And the police have access
to all of this and more.
598
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:30,959
Can we use these?
599
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,800
No.
600
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,210
Can we get your Mr Apollo
to speak on the record?
601
00:27:36,211 --> 00:27:38,959
How long have we known each other?
602
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,959
I've no idea.
603
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,959
And no interest
in trying to work that out.
604
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:43,959
It'll make me feel old.
605
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,959
Nearly 30 years.
606
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,959
This is it, Alan.
607
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,959
There is an industry
making huge profit
608
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,959
from invading
people's private lives,
609
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,959
and Rupert Murdoch's
bullying tabloids
610
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,430
have explicitly encouraged it
and are buying it.
611
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:01,960
This matters.
612
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,010
Tin hats on.
613
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,010
Good. OK.
614
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,959
I'll-I'll let you know
when I've got something.
615
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,960
Thanks, Alan.
616
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,479
'You may think
you lead a private life,
617
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,319
'but The Guardian
has uncovered evidence
618
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,639
'to suggest otherwise.
619
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,959
'This strange story began in 2006
with the arrest of two men.
620
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,999
'The News Of The World
Royal Editor, Clive Goodman,
621
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,999
'and private investigator
Glenn Mulcaire.
622
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,959
'The men pled guilty
to phone hacking charges
623
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,159
'and served prison sentences.
624
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,639
'Following an investigation,
the paper told the world
625
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,959
'that hacking was the work
of "one rogue reporter".
626
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,959
'The story should have ended there.
627
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,010
'But it didn't.'
628
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,960
HE GROANS
629
00:29:02,851 --> 00:29:06,959
RUPERT MURDOCH:
'From the beginning on,
630
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,959
'newspapers have prospered
for one reason -
631
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,959
'giving readers the news they want.'
632
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,959
Shit.
633
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,799
Shit! Shit, shit, shit, shit,
shit, shit, shit, shit, shit!
634
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,960
HE GROANS
635
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,159
Keep it simple.
636
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,479
'Rupert Murdoch's
News Group Newspapers
637
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,799
'had paid out more than ๏ฟฝ1,000,000
638
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,999
'to settle legal cases
that threatened to reveal evidence
639
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,959
'of his journalists'
repeated involvement
640
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,959
'in the use of criminal methods
to get stories.'
641
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,959
ALAN: "The payments secured secrecy
over out-of-court settlements
642
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,959
"in three cases
that threatened to expose evidence
643
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,959
"of Murdoch journalists
using private investigators
644
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,159
"to illegally hack into
the mobile phone messages
645
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,959
"of numerous public figures.
646
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,959
"Cabinet ministers,
MPs, actors and sports stars
647
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,959
"were all targets
of private investigators."
648
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,959
Are you sure we can safely
list all those groups?
649
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,959
We already have evidence of actors,
Elle Macpherson,
650
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,959
sport stars, Sky Andrew...
MPs, then?
651
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,959
I have an invoice, er,
652
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,959
recording a payment
to a private investigator
653
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,999
showing John Prescott
had been targeted.
654
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,319
It's likely hacking.
655
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,959
This article has no named sources,
no evidence on the record.
656
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,959
Alan thinks we have enough.
I do too.
657
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,959
And we haven't got right of reply.
658
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,799
It's a declaration of bloody war.
659
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,319
Murdoch and Brooks,
they have nuclear weapons.
660
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,959
Right now, they do.
661
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,959
But we can neuter
their nuclear weapons with this.
662
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,959
If we do, Fleet Street
will fall in behind us,
663
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,959
the police soon after.
And they have...
664
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,959
When they find the information
they already have.
665
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:27,959
Information they've lost?
666
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,959
Information
they don't know they have.
667
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:30,999
This is The Met we're talking about.
668
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,959
Look, once we publish,
they'll be forced to act.
669
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,959
Can we name Coulson?
670
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,159
Now you're worried
I haven't gone far enough.
671
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,319
No, it makes it more
in the public interest
672
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,959
if we can name him.
673
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,959
I did ring Conservative HQ -
right to reply, Gill.
674
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,959
I asked about
the Gordon Taylor settlement.
675
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,959
His office replied -
it "didn't ring any bells".
676
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,959
We've nothing
that directly links him.
677
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,959
I agree.
678
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,959
But...
679
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,959
we can say...
680
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,959
that he was the editor in place
681
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,959
when journalists for whom
he was responsible, etc, etc, etc...
682
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:01,959
That's good.
683
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,010
That's good.
684
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,010
Yes?
685
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,000
I'm uneasy. But if you're sure...
686
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,960
I am.
687
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,480
RUFUS: It reads well.
688
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,010
OK.
689
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,959
At half past five in the afternoon
on Wednesday, 8th of July, 2009,
690
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,959
we posted my news story
on The Guardian website.
691
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,959
As it ran, The Guardian news desk
asked a reporter, Caroline Davies,
692
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,319
to call John Prescott,
ex-Deputy Prime Minister,
693
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,640
to get a quote.
694
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,959
I told him the gist of the story,
and he said, "Fookin' 'ell!"
695
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,959
'You'd have thought the police,
696
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,479
'in the committing
of a criminal offence,
697
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,959
'as, clearly, it is, against anyone,
698
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,159
'and particularly, you'd have
thought, a Cabinet member,
699
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,959
'they would have told me about it.
700
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,959
'I would have asked them,
"What are you gonna do about it?" '
701
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,959
Prescott roared.
702
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,960
But the house fell silent.
703
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,010
Anyone?
704
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,010
Anyone?
705
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,959
And Fleet Street, well...
706
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,639
CHATTER
707
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,959
Fleet Street essentially
did their best to ignore the story.
708
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,959
Ask any journalist
what a great story depends on.
709
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,280
They'll say the same thing.
710
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,959
A new angle.
711
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,959
One at least journalists
can get behind.
712
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,959
We are reliant on our own profession
713
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,959
to follow up on stories
so they have impact.
714
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,959
To make a story newsworthy
requires multiple news outlets.
715
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,159
But on this one...
716
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,960
crickets.
717
00:32:50,961 --> 00:32:53,959
My company couldn't have
settled the legal action
718
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:54,959
like The Guardian claims.
719
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,959
If they had done,
I'd have known about it.
720
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,319
I tried to get this out
as wide as possible.
721
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,799
I talked on radio stations,
TV shows.
722
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,159
I took constant calls from
agents of public figures asking,
723
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,959
"Am I on that list?"
724
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:06,959
I slept about four hours.
725
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,479
And then, at five in the afternoon,
726
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,959
I was surprised to hear
that John Yates,
727
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,999
Assistant Commissioner
of Scotland Yard,
728
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,479
was preparing to make a statement.
729
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,959
Good afternoon.
730
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,959
I was not involved
in the original case
731
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,959
and clearly come at this
with an independent mind.
732
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,959
In my opinion, what I've seen
733
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,999
is a most careful investigation
by very experienced detectives.
734
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,959
He proceeded
to gently demolish our work.
735
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,959
We'd suggested
there were thousands of victims.
736
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,959
The potential targets may have
run into hundreds of people.
737
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,959
But our inquiry showed
that they only used the tactic
738
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,959
against a far smaller
number of individuals.
739
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,959
And since no additional evidence
has come to light,
740
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,479
I can see no reason
to reopen the inquiry.
741
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,959
Thank you. That's all for today.
742
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,159
REPORTER: Does that mean
The Guardian fabricated the story?
743
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,959
REPORTERS CLAMOUR
744
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,959
NICK SIGHS
745
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,959
'..may have run into
hundreds of people.
746
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,959
'But our inquiry showed
that they only used the tactic
747
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,959
'against a far smaller
number of individuals.
748
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,639
'And since no additional evidence
has come to light,
749
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,959
'I can see no reason
to reopen the inquiry.'
750
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,959
REPORTER: 'That was
Assistant Commissioner John Yates,
751
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,960
'speaking in response to...'
752
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:19,999
What is it?
753
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,159
The police haven't backed us,
754
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,959
and Keir Starmer's
conducting a review.
755
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,959
He was Director of
Public Prosecutions then.
756
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,319
But he doesn't consider
there was anything inappropriate
757
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,959
in the prosecutions
undertaken in this case.
758
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,959
We are being squashed.
759
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,959
We need to speak to your Mr Apollo.
We need to get him on the record.
760
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:39,999
He... Mm.
761
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,959
No, he can contact me.
I can't contact him.
762
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,010
Nick.
763
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,959
Our colleagues upstairs
are gravely concerned.
764
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,959
Is it possible you were set up?
765
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,959
No, this is right. I've...
766
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,959
We've used no named sources,
no quotes from documents.
767
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,960
We should never have published.
768
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,959
And Murdoch has set his attack dogs
on us in the Commons.
769
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,959
They're briefing
that we can't back up our story.
770
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,960
And now the CMS Select Committee
want to see us urgently.
771
00:35:08,961 --> 00:35:11,159
That doesn't sound great.
772
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,959
They want to barbecue you, Nick,
773
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,070
and John Yates
has given them permission.
774
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,010
I'm sorry. I, er...
775
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,480
I've read the runes wrong here.
776
00:35:23,481 --> 00:35:26,959
The Guardian
are putting together a statement.
777
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,959
What kind of statement?
778
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,040
I'll know when I see it.
779
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,959
I feel like
I'm having a heart attack.
780
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,800
HE EXHALES
781
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,800
Why is everybody doing this?
782
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,960
HE EXHALES
783
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,959
My mother was a strong character.
784
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,959
Intelligent, forceful, imaginative.
785
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,959
Trapped, as she believed,
in domestic drudgery. She had...
786
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,959
She had a furious temper.
787
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,959
This wasn't the 1950s toxic ideal of
"Spare the rod and spoil the child".
788
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,159
This was mad beatings,
789
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,159
when she came after us
with a black-eyed fury,
790
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,959
armed with whatever weapon
she had to hand -
791
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,960
a dog lead, a slipper,
a riding crop, a rope.
792
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,640
Are you ready to say you're sorry?
793
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,010
No.
794
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,159
DOOR SLAMS
795
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,959
I'd been working as a journalist
for a couple of decades,
796
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,959
thinking I was interested
in criminal justice
797
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,159
and social problems,
798
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,959
when I saw that
I was being drawn to stories,
799
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,960
again and again,
with the same theme.
800
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,959
A deep-seated urge to hit back...
801
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,959
CHILDREN SHOUTING
802
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:06,959
..at anybody at all...
803
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,639
MAN: Mr Davies!
804
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:09,959
..who takes power and abuses it.
805
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,319
Stupid child!
806
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,960
HE ROARS,
SCHOOL BELL RINGS
807
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,960
PHONE BUZZES
808
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,320
HE SIGHS
809
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,959
Yeah, so, I tried hitting him back.
810
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:01,800
Why?
811
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,010
Seething rage.
812
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,960
I thought he looked vulnerable.
813
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,010
Oh.
814
00:38:09,911 --> 00:38:11,959
Didn't work.
815
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,640
No.
816
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,959
You look terrible.
817
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,010
Thank you.
818
00:38:18,881 --> 00:38:20,959
What happened to you?
819
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,960
You asking me or him?
820
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,959
OK, so, I need to take you
to your mum's tonight.
821
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,959
Erm... She says she's cool with it
if you are.
822
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,160
Yeah, sure, I don't mind.
823
00:38:39,711 --> 00:38:45,959
REPORTER: 'It's been a day of
statement and counter-statement
824
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,799
'in the phone hacking affair,
825
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,959
'with News International
angrily refuting
826
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,959
'all the allegations
made by The Guardian.
827
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,959
'With the editor and the reporter
828
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,959
'due to appear
at the Media Select Committee,
829
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,639
'certain publications
are claiming a leftist agenda
830
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,959
'against the News Of The World
by The Guardian
831
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,999
'and calling for legal action
to be taken against the organisation
832
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,959
'if they can't back up
833
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,960
'spurious claims
made against Murdoch's paper.'
834
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,960
Hi.
SHERIDAN: Hello.
835
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,959
See you, kids.
Hi, kids.
836
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,959
Oh, hang on...
I'm fine, Mum. I'm fine.
837
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,959
It's my fault.
838
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,800
Sorry. Bad advice.
839
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,960
Coffee?
I'll...
840
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,799
Thanks for this.
I'll see you Monday. I'm sorry.
841
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,959
Nick?
Yeah?
842
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:39,999
Have you eaten?
843
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,959
When?
In the last day.
844
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:43,959
I'm just...
845
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,959
a bit tired. I'm not...
I'm not really at my best.
846
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,960
I need to think. And the...
847
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,959
..House of Commons Select Committee
want to see us tomorrow.
848
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,959
And The Guardian
have got this message
849
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,959
that their PR have written,
that is... that is just...
850
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,960
All right. OK.
851
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,959
You look worse than he does.
Let's...
852
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,959
WHISPERS:
I didn't tell him to fight back.
853
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,959
I told him to pick his moment.
I didn't want him to hit someone.
854
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,959
Shit.
855
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,960
It's all right.
856
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,010
Come on.
857
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,319
Sit down. Sit down.
858
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,960
Soup OK?
859
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,959
What do I do?
860
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,959
How do I make it better?
861
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,959
Er, well,
we will talk to the school.
862
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,959
You think they'll do better?
863
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,960
It's a good school.
864
00:40:36,461 --> 00:40:38,999
Things have changed, you know.
865
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,960
Teachers, parents,
they're not allowed to do...
866
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,960
There's systems, right?
867
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,010
I thought about her.
868
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,960
Earlier today, I was reading this...
869
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,959
..papier-mache,
over-apologetic PR nonsense,
870
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,959
and I thought about all the times
I'd gone to her and apologised.
871
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,959
And all the times that I...
HE STAMMERS
872
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,960
And then my son
gets a face like that.
873
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,010
OK.
874
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,730
I'm gonna make the sofa up.
You're staying here tonight.
875
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,960
And I'll just put this soup on.
876
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,640
GAS HOB LIGHTS
877
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,480
PHONE BUZZES
878
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,959
LINE RINGING OUT
879
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:49,959
ALAN: 'Hi.'
880
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,959
I can't read that statement.
881
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,959
A retraction at this time...
882
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,959
you're asking me to say I was wrong.
883
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,319
If we can't get Mr Apollo
on the record,
884
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,999
then we need to make a retraction.
885
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,960
You know getting him on the record
is impossible.
886
00:42:04,961 --> 00:42:07,959
Then I'm afraid
you'll have to make that statement
887
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,479
to the Select Committee tomorrow.
888
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,959
If you make me read it out,
I won't come.
889
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,959
If you don't come...
890
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,960
we're fucked.
891
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,960
Oh.
892
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,960
HE SIGHS
893
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,959
HE EXHALES
894
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,999
Carl Bernstein,
one of the great reporters
895
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,959
who exposed the Watergate scandal,
said,
896
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,959
"I think all good reporting
is the same thing.
897
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,959
"The best attainable version
of the truth."
898
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:03,959
The best attainable version
of the truth.
899
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,550
The best attainable...
So, no matter what, you've got...
900
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,010
..you've got to...
901
00:43:26,911 --> 00:43:28,959
Morning.
902
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,639
Hi. Does this, erm,
printer-scanner thing still work?
903
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,959
Er...
904
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:34,959
Yeah, that one does. Coffee?
905
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,959
And do you have some black paper
and some glue and some scissors?
906
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,959
Aw, are you making me a collage,
Nick?
907
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,959
Might need the kids
to be slightly late for school.
908
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,960
Right. Why?
909
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,959
OK, so, these are emails
910
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,959
written to a journalist,
that's Neville,
911
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:54,959
with transcriptions
912
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,959
of a man called Gordon Taylor's
voicemail messages.
913
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,959
What I need you to do
is to block out all the sections
914
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:01,959
which are clearly transcribed
from those voicemails.
915
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,959
Leave everything else visible.
916
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,959
Should be able to tell which bits
are which. Any doubts, just ask.
917
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,959
Mm. May I ask, why aren't you
doing this at The Guardian,
918
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,319
with some sort of
vague professionalism?
919
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,959
Alan can't know.
920
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,960
Your editor can't know?
921
00:44:13,961 --> 00:44:16,799
Because I can't have him
tell anyone else.
922
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,959
Oh, yeah, that man is a gossip.
923
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:19,959
Fleet Street can't know about this.
924
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,959
As far as they know, I'm walking
naked into that committee room.
925
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,959
I was just trying
to protect my editor.
926
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:25,959
And my newspaper.
927
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,010
And you?
928
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,350
What sort of danger
are you putting yourself in here?
929
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,800
HE SIGHS
930
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,640
Nick.
931
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,159
How are you, Alan?
932
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,959
I'm fine. Bit tired.
933
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,959
Something interrupted my sleep
last night.
934
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,640
I hate it when that happens.
935
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,010
I hate all of this.
936
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,479
Sorry if I've made
your life difficult.
937
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,319
My life?
938
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,960
This is bigger than me.
939
00:45:23,581 --> 00:45:25,959
You could have brought down
940
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,959
the whole Guardian newspaper
with this one.
941
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,959
But what a way to go.
942
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,319
I mean...
943
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,799
consider the glory.
944
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,799
"I, Nick Davies,
945
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,959
"have destroyed, utterly destroyed,
946
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,959
"close to 200 years
of journalistic endeavour."
947
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,960
You're an absolute... God!
948
00:45:46,991 --> 00:45:50,319
God, I can't even
think what you are.
949
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,960
You're awful.
950
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,959
You know what Peter Preston told me
when I took over the editor's desk?
951
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,959
"Why in hell did they choose you?"
952
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,959
"Don't join the club."
953
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,959
He'd had to make adjustments
to the paper
954
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,959
after the move from Manchester,
and he didn't...
955
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,479
well, he wouldn't
be part of the media cabal.
956
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,959
He liked being
on the edge of Fleet Street.
957
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,960
He considered it part of our DNA.
958
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,800
Last night in bed,
I realised something.
959
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,959
What you've done, bringing us here,
960
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,960
is in the line
of great Guardian coups.
961
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,320
But I do want to keep the newspaper
I've been entrusted with alive.
962
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,959
Are you reading the statement?
963
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,010
No.
964
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,160
But I do have things to say.
965
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,959
If you go too far,
I will squeeze your leg,
966
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,960
and you will stop.
967
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,960
I've got a paper to protect.
968
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,960
And you,
be sure to protect yourself.
969
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,959
Tin hats on.
970
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,959
JOHN WHITTINGDALE:
Thank you for joining us, gentlemen.
971
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,959
Now, we have a lot of questions,
972
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,959
so try to keep opening statements
short.
973
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,319
I'd like to keep this whole
experience quite short, if I may.
974
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,959
MURMURING, LAUGHTER
975
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,960
But I do have...
There is a lot for me to say.
976
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,959
I'd like to start by showing you,
first of all,
977
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,960
copies of an email.
978
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,480
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