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One day,

uh, the leader of--of the Klan called me,

and he wants to know if I knew of any, um,

places that would rent, uh, a bus.

He was gonna bring his--his Klan down

to have a--a march.

The bus rental place in his county

refused to rent to him anymore,

because people knew it was the Klan,

and they would throw rocks at the bus and damage the bus.

I said, "I'll tell you what.

I'm gonna let you use my bus."

And he says, "What?"

And I said, "Yeah."

He goes, "You gonna lend me your bus for a Klan rally?"

I had a bus from my band.

I said, "Just put some gas in it,

you know, when you get done."

And the next day, the Klan got on my bus

and came down here,

did their--their march,

and then when they brought the bus back,

probably about--I don't know-- 15 or so Klansmen

came over to my house.

And they all came in here and sat around.

There were two Klansmen

who refused to--to drink anything that I offered.

Everybody else was having a good time.

We were all sitting around.

These two guys,

while they were cordial and polite,

I could tell that they were uneasy

about accepting anything from a black man.

And, uh, sure enough, shortly thereafter,

um, they quit the Klan.

They felt that--that the leader had crossed a line

in having that relationship with me.

Move out of the street!

Move out of the street!

Move out of the street now!

Well, I want to show you something

that a lot of people walk by obliviously,

even step on every day and don't even realize it.

So what are we looking at here, Daryl?

Okay, well, we're going up

towards where Lincoln is sitting in his big chair.

So you know that two of the greatest speeches ever given in this country

were the Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln

and the "I Have a Dream" speech by Martin Luther King.

Take a look right over here.

In fact, somebody is standing on it right now.

Excuse me a minute.

This right here,

this is where he stood

and gave that famous speech.

We will be able to speed up that day

when all of God's children,

black men and white men,

Jews and Gentiles,

Protestants and Catholics,

will be able to join hands

and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual,

"Free at last, free at last,

thank God almighty we are free at last."

All you have is an etching

in the, uh, concrete.

There's no plaque, no sign.

Millions of people trample all over that,

not even realizing how important that spot is.

He says, "I have a dream."

I call this stepping on the dream.

Excuse me.

We don't have the concentration

of the African-American businesses that we used to have.

You know how you can go to almost any city and find Chinatown?

We had our Soul Town.

We had our soul food places, and we had jazz clubs

and a con-- concentrated community.

We don't have that anymore. I miss that.

I'm used to being out at nighttime,

so I'm always being stopped.

My father was always being stopped.

But on the night of 9/11,

every street leading into Washington, D.C.,

was roadblocked, and I had to get in line to be checked, and it--

it was my turn.

As I pulled up,

the white officer looked at me

and said, "Go ahead, sir."

Really? And I thought,

"Oh, my goodness."

"I've arrived."

Because--heh. That--That night,

the cops were not looking for black people.

I have been here for a number of years.

Suburban D.C. is where I live,

in Maryland, right across the line.

Uh, we're headed into the music store here

at Chuck Levin's Washington Music Center.

Bought my, uh, first keyboard from here.

You know, I wanted to say I remember when you came, uh,

to my middle school, Green Acres...

Oh, yeah, yeah. when I was, like,

sixth or seventh grade.

Yeah, Professor Steckel. Yep, yep.

And you talked about the Klan

and that whole thing, and that, like,

rocked my world then, and then I started

working here, and you came in here. And then you're,

like, in, you know, both sides of the world,

and I see Daryl Davis in all worlds.

Daryl Davis? I remember Daryl Davis.

This is my teacher. How you doing?

How are you? Good to see you.

He was very popular and a class leader.

I do remember that.

Otherwise, how would I remember your name

from 197--I do remember your name.

Back when my mom was sick with, uh, cancer,

I would bring her down here for treatment,

and so during that time, you know,

I'd park the car, and I'd wander around Howard University campus.

I'm glad that I came here to Howard.

Musicians that I worked with, that I graduated with,

were some of the most talented individuals,

you know, that I've ever seen.

How you doing, man? What's up, brother?

Good to see you. How you doing?

Good, man. All right.

Mike Fitzhugh, man. I read your book.

Oh, you did? Yes, sir,

when it first came out.

Oh, I appreciate that, man. Thank you.

It took a lot of heart and courage.

I want to ask him-- Were you ever scared?

'Cause I know I would have been scared.

Two men in the Washington area

are showing that even an African-American man

and a member of the Ku Klux Klan can find common ground.

CNN's Carl Rochelle reports.

Daryl Davis plays a hot piano.

It's part of the show, and it makes him stand out.

He also stands out here.

Davis is one of the few African-Americans

you will ever find attending a KKK rally.

More than attending, he is welcome.

I got more respect for that black man

than I do you white niggers out there.

Let's say you and 20 other people

have this group that is anti-racist,

and all you do is talk about how bad racism is.

Well, what good is that group doing?

All you're doing is preaching to the choir.

If you and I agree,

I'm not accomplishing anything

by trying to convince you of what you already know.

The way you resolve that

is you invite somebody to the table

who disagrees with you

so you'd understand why they have that point of view.

Then perhaps you would figure out a solution

to dissuade their fears.

We believe that God has commanded us

to separate ourselves from other races.

The Klan is not beaten, and the white race is not beaten.

It'll be a matter of time. We're gonna take America back.

It's gonna be the bloodiest war this country's ever seen.

And according to the Southern Poverty Law Center,

there are currently 784 active hate groups

operating across the country, a number that is growing.

Among the huge crowds that greet Donald Trump

in city after city are members of the newly coined Alt-Right.

I would describe it in the terms that they don't like to use

and they are redefining, racist, Klan members,

Nazis, neo-Nazis.

They are robocalls

that flooded Iowa and New Hampshire voters.

The message, "We are white supremacists.

Donald Trump is our man."

Do you think now

the rest of the country is beginning to get it?

I hope so. It's been a threat the whole time.

There's been a body toll the whole time.

There's a guy with a rifle here shooting at people.

Police say the suspect

has ties to white supremacists.

Heil Hitler!

But this is something that's a wake-up call,

really, for everyone in the nation.

White power.

White power.

They're not human.

There's nothing about these people that are human.

What we have seen in the last few years

is really an explosion.

When things really took off in the most dramatic way

was in the fall of 2008,

when we saw the beginning of an enormous expansion

in the number of both so-called patriot groups,

or what we all used to call militia groups,

and hate groups like the Klan.

Klan members are very much still involved in racial violence,

and they, uh, essentially live on hatred.

White power! White power!

There was a Klan plot in Texas

northwest of Fort Worth, which involved

blowing up a natural gas refinery

that was located right next to an elementary school.

The idea was that all police

and, uh, the authorities, EMTs, and so on

would rush to the site of this disaster,

and this little, tiny Klan group, meanwhile,

would run across to the other end of the county

and start robbing banks in order to fund the race war.

Federal authorities announced

that had these man and this one woman succeeded,

they would have murdered more than 10 times the number of people

killed on 9/11.

I do believe integration is wrong.

We are concerned about what we view to be a white genocide.

My people are being squeezed out of existence.

We would fight to the last bullet for our people.

I have seen the future.

I know what can be done.

I know how people can get along.

It bothers me that they can't see that

when there are so many examples

or they're not willing to see it.

People tend to feel comfortable

around things with which they're familiar,

and sometimes they may become xenophobic

or develop a fear of things that are different.

That fear can be overcome.

If they go beyond that fear and develop a hatred,

that's harder to overcome.

Every single day, I wake up in a house

that was built by slaves,

and I watch my daughters,

two beautiful black young women,

head off to school.

At one time, we had no history...

no black history in this country.

All we had was American history,

which might as well have been called white history.

We had to fight to get our history taught.

Here in Washington, D.C.,

everything is laid out perfectly

in a very thorough, sensible, and mathematical way,

and it was Benjamin Banneker who laid out that formula.

But the man who got the majority of the credit for it

was a fella named Pierre L'Enfant.

The, uh, Washington Monument,

it's the tallest building in Washington, D.C.,

and, uh, no buildings are allowed to be built taller than the Monument.

And, uh, it was helped to be built by slaves.

So, you know, things like this are always coming out.

A lot of people know it,

but until it's in the history book,

it's not official.

D.C. is known pretty much for just about every musical style.

Bo Diddley lived here for a while,

Link Wray,

the legendary Chuck Brown,

Danny Gatton,

Roberta Flack,

the late, great Marvin Gaye,

Duke Ellington, the king of jazz.

I thought of being a diplomat.

I thought of being an espionage agent.

I thought of being a computer programmer.

But a funny thing happened on my way to being those things.

I saw a rock concert,

a couple of rock concerts...

with Chuck Berry,

with Elvis Presley.

And I got sidetracked, so now I'm a musician.

Well, I play a variety of stuff.

I have my degree in jazz,

but I've played country, rock-'n'-roll, boogie-woogie.

What would you like to hear?

Today I'm a musician, actor, author,

and a lecturer.

Well, I just arrived in Los Angeles, California.

I'm here to give a lecture this evening

at University of California, Irvine.

Well, it's a pleasure to be here

at University of California, Irvine.

Thank you all for having me.

This, uh, lecture tonight,

it's not so much about the Ku Klux Klan

as it is about building relationships

and understanding and embracing differences.

Always keep the lines of communication open

with your adversaries, regardless of what the topic is.

When two enemies are talking, they're not fighting.

They might be yelling and screaming and shouting

and beating their fists on the table,

but at least they're talking, and they're not fighting.

I believe in separation.

We've had integration now for 50 years,

and nobody seems to realize it don't work.

I mean, don't you have churches

that only cater to--to blacks, though?

Yeah, because we couldn't get in to the white churches.

You all see this fine figure right here?

I didn't put this on overnight.

I want to lose it.

I'm not gonna lose it by tomorrow,

but if I work on it, over time, it will--it will shrink down.

When you're ingrained in this stuff,

you're not gonna shut it off overnight.

Y'all know who, uh, Geraldo is?

Okay. I was on this show

with some neo-Nazis and some Klan.

KK Kids. Children too young to hate.

Uh, Daryl, I want to ask you.

Have they had an active children's movement?

The, uh, children's movement started

with, uh, a fella named Tony La Ricci

in the state of Maryland,

who formed the, uh, Klan Youth Corps.

Okay, Mike, why don't you lead out the various Klan families.

And your name and age?

Um, my name's Erin, and I'm 12.

So, uh, what do you think about your parents,

uh, belonging to these organizations?

I think it's fine. Why, sweetie?

Well, I mean, they're allowed to like their race.

They're allowed to be proud of who they are, too.

Are you going to be a--a member of the group also?

Yes.

So now both daughters are in the Klan,

and their father, he got sentenced

to 10 years in a federal prison,

so I thought, "You know what?

I'm gonna call Tina, the mother."

I tracked down her number. I called her,

and when I said, "Tina, this is Daryl Davis,"

she hit the roof.

She cursed me up one side and down the other,

wanted to know how did I get her phone number,

what did I want, blah-blah-blah.

I said, "Tina, shut up, and listen to me for a second."

I flew with them to Chicago

and drove them out to-- to Marion, Illinois,

to the federal penitentiary

where their father was imprisoned

so they could visit him.

And nobody in the Klan had ever done that for them before,

and so they had a turnaround.

Well, my little girl came a long way,

you know, no thanks to her father and I.

We really did our best to destroy our kids, and, uh,

I do believe God does work through people,

other human beings, and He most certainly

uses Daryl Davis as an instrument,

because that man has touched a lot of lives.

Me and my husband Harley

would like to extend our best wishes

to the city of Rockville, Maryland,

as you celebrate the life and legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King.

Neither me nor my family are members

or are affiliated with the Ku Klux Klan anymore.

Last couple questions, anybody else?

This man is an unwritten civil rights hero.

Before any other,

it was his music.

When Chuck Berry came out there playing that rock-'n'-roll,

white kids and black kids could not sit still.

They bounced up out of their chairs

knocked over the ropes, and began boogieing

and dancing in the aisles together

for the first time in American history.

He'll play a lick, and then I'll imitate his lick.

And these are things that you don't plan?

Right, all spontaneous. That's rock-'n'-roll, though.

I'm standing on the property of Campovida

at Hopland, California, where I've been invited

to come and give a lecture for the Do Lecture series.

Let's all hold hands and start this day off

with the ringing of this bell.

On that note, I will hand it over to you,

Daryl Davis.

Thank you, Peter, and good morning.

Morning. Morning.

It's really an honor to be here.

Thank you all very much for having me.

Let me get started real quick

and just give you a little bit of experience

that I had that led me on this-- on this journey, if you will.

How can you hate me

when you don't even know me?

Throughout my life,

I've been looking for an answer to that.

Well, who better to ask

than someone who would join an organization

whose whole premise is hating people

who do not look like them?

So I began seeking out members of the Ku Klux Klan.

They're not hard to find.

You know, they're really-- Trust me.

They--They're all over.

Well, CNN got wind of this and wanted to do a story.

I got the name of the head of the Klan in Maryland,

and they said, "Do you think Mr. Kelly will even talk to us?"

I said, "I'll do better than that.

"I'll get Mr. Kelly to come back to my house,

"and you can interview the head of the Ku Klux Klan

inside a black man's house."

And I believe in separation of the races.

I believe that's in the best interest of all races.

Does he, really?

Or has friendship transcended the color barrier?

Listen to Kelly at a Klan rally.

I will follow that man to Hell and back,

'cause I believe in what he stands for,

and he believes in what I stand for.

Lot of times we don't agree with everything,

but at least he respects me to sit down and listen to me,

and I respect him to sit down and listen to him.

We're enemies.

He's the head of the Klan. I'm a black guy,

but he respected me to sit down and listen to him,

and in exchange, he sat down and listened to me.

I did not respect what he had to say.

I respected his right to say it.

We get to know one another,

and we do different things, you know. It's--

It hasn't changed my views about the Klan,

you know, because my views on the Klan's

been pretty much cemented in my mind for years.

We kept on doing that.

He and I became the best of friends.

And over a period of time,

that cement that was in his mind,

that held his ideas together, began to crack,

and then it crumbled,

and then a few years later,

Roger Kelly quit the Ku Klux Klan.

Today he no longer believes in what he said on that video.

And when Roger Kelly quit the Ku Klux Klan,

he gave me his robe and hood.

Okay, this is the robe of the Klan leader,

the same one that you saw him wearing in the video.

And of course the hood,

the hood and the mask.

We are living in Space Age times,

but there are too many of us

still thinking with Stone Age minds.

The way to solve this is you people.

Let's talk to each other.

Let's get the job done. Thank you all very much.

I enjoy sharing my story,

especially when other people find it inspiring

and influential on their own lives,

because then they, in turn,

go and share that story with others.

In this bag,

I have three of the robes of my collection.

This first robe belonged to a Grand Dragon.

Grand Dragon is a state leader, top man in the state.

And "Grand" is signified by the green.

This fellow wore a dragon patch.

Under his green cape is another dragon patch.

This Grand Dragon preferred the satin.

This is the robe of an Imperial Wizard,

the top guy.

This is a white cotton robe

with blue adornments, blue stripes, blue sash,

and blue cape.

And of course you see the Klan emblem, the MIOAK.

The red blood drop in the center

signifies that they will shed their blood

to preserve the white race.

And if you look along the white cross,

look at that-- that black line right there

and then these two diagonal lines.

They form a "K."

So you see four Ks, essentially,

and that stands for "Knights of the Ku Klux Klan."

Who makes such a thing?

Sometimes the Klan members' wives make 'em.

There was a Mennonite woman couple hours from here

who was making them for the Klan.

They have a robe-making division

up in, uh, Shelton, Connecticut.

This is the hood-- It's often called a helmet.

Members who want anonymity,

they don't want you to know who they are,

they wear this mask

and peep at you through these eyelets.

How many robes like this do you think you have?

I don't know.

Uh, it's hard to say.

I got a bunch of them. Um...

couple dozen or more, you know?

And they each represent

a different person...

Yes.

who is no longer in the Klan?

That is correct. People always say to me,

"Daryl, how can you have this stuff?

You know, why don't you burn it?" Well, no.

As shameful as it is,

this is a part of American history.

You don't burn our history, regardless,

the good, the bad, the ugly.

And the Ku Klux Klan

is as American as baseball,

apple pie, and Chevrolet.

The Klan was formed Christmas Eve, 1865,

at the end of the Civil War by six Confederate generals.

And it was more or less a social club

where people had the same ideologies, same beliefs.

They'd dress up in these sheets, pillowcases, or whatever,

cover their faces,

and they became the para-law enforcement,

if you will.

A lot of the freed black slaves at the time were superstitious,

and they would come on horseback

with their horses draped in sheets as well

and tell these black people that they were

the ghosts of, uh, dead Confederate soldiers,

and this would of course, you know, scare them

and keep them in line.

"These people are free, but we can still control them."

Where we headed today, Daryl?

Oh, we're headed up to a town

in Washington County, Maryland,

to visit a former Great Titan,

which means a county leader.

He still has some of those views,

but slowly, but surely, they are diminishing

as his, uh, group of friends begins to widen in diversity.

Hey, Gary. How you doing, man?

How you doing? Good to see you.

Here's my Great Titan robe here.

Had the black sash, stripes,

and the--the belt.

Want me to put it on?

Yeah.

I don't think it'll fit anymore.

You mean ideologically-wise,

or, uh, or physical? It won't.

Little buffed up now, you know.

But it still fits ideological.

Yeah. Yeah, I--

Who's this to your right?

Uh, he's a friend of mine, Daryl Davis.

He was taking a Grand Dragon of the Klan

to, uh, do an interview in-- at Howard University,

and I was one of the bodyguards.

And Daryl drove us down. He was our butler.

Or--Or, uh...

not butler, but, uh, chauffer.

He was our chauffer on the way down.

What prompted me to join was I--

I grew up in a neighborhood

where, you know, it was mostly dominated by blacks,

and, you know, we were kind of the minority,

and, you know, if you got in a fight

with one of 'em, then you had to fight 'em all.

You were kind of by yourself.

So did you get into a lot of fights with black people?

Fighting a gang-- Yeah. Yeah, I got in a lot of fights.

What was your title then?

think I was a Great Titan.

What does that mean?

Uh, he can explain more of that than I can.

I don't really...

Gary went from a rank-and-file member

to Exalted Cyclops.

He rose to the level of Great Titan,

which means a county leader.

He didn't know what a Great Titan was supposed to do,

and he was too embarrassed to ask his higher-ups

what his new duties were,

'cause he hadn't studied enough Klan-craft.

He called me.

All right, Daryl.

That's me at Stonehenge in England when I was on tour.

That's my mom and dad.

That's my wife on a trip to, uh, St. Louis.

Yeah, that was a birthday party for me

at a gig that I played in Delaware.

Down in Virginia Beach

playing piano with the king of rock-'n'-roll.

I was born in Chicago, Illinois, in 1958.

Well, my father started out

being a, uh, Secret Service agent,

and then he left the Secret Service

and joined the Foreign Service.

How unusual was that

for a black man in that era to have that job?

At the time, it was-- it was rather rare.

This is a photo of my dad and I at the Acropolis.

I first went overseas when I was three years old.

It was great to see

all these different things I had never seen before,

but I didn't reflect upon it as something that was special,

because I figured all kids did this.

I didn't know any better.

I lived in Guinea

from, uh, age 10 through age 12.

I learned to get along with anybody and everybody,

regardless of what they look like,

how they worshipped, what they believed.

Uh, that was my experience as a young child.

My school might as well have been the United Nations,

'cause every embassy, uh, people who had kids in that country

at that time, we all went to the same school together.

That's how I grew up.

This is my fourth-grade class photo.

from Payson Park Elementary School

in Belmont, Massachusetts.

As you can see,

I am the only black kid in the class.

In fact, I was one of two black kids in the entire school.

Most of my friends were fourth- and fifth-graders.

Consequently, they all were white.

And a lot of my guy friends were members

of the, uh, Cub Scouts.

I'd only been in town a couple months in 1968,

and they invited me to join the Cub Scouts.

So, you know, it sounded like fun.

You know, get to tie some knots, go camping,

and I--I joined the Cub Scouts.

On Scout Day, we had a march.

I was the only black Scout in that parade,

and my den mother,

uh, let me carry the American flag.

So as I'm marching down this parade route

with my fellow Scouts,

you know, the--the sidewalks are lined with people

waving flags and cheering and carrying on.

And somewhere down the parade route,

I began getting hit with, uh, bottles and rocks,

soda-pop cans, and me, being naive,

having never experienced anything like this,

my first inclination was, "Oh,

"that group of people over there on the sidewalk

doesn't like the Scouts."

Of course, you know, they were white people.

It did not occur to me until my den mother,

my troop leader, my pack leader, and my Cubmaster,

you know, all came back in the line

and huddled over me with their bodies to shield me

and protect me and escort me out of the danger,

that I was the only target of--of these projectiles.

So naturally I said, "Well, well, why are they hitting me?"

And, uh, all they would say is, "Shh. Move along, Daryl. Hurry.

Move along. Move along. It'll be okay."

They never answered my question.

And so when I got home,

my mother and father, who were not at the march,

uh, were fixing me up and asking me,

"How did you fall down and get all scraped up?"

I told them I didn't fall down. I told them what happened.

And for the first time in my life,

my mom and dad sat me down

and explained why I was being hit.

I did not believe them.

My mom and dad were lying to me,

and my mom and dad had never lied to me.

But they said something to the effect

of there are people who simply do not like you

for no other reason than the color of your skin.

Having been all over the world by age 10,

I saw all kinds of colors of people.

My classes were filled with people from Nigeria, Japan,

Russia, England, France, Germany,

you know, China.

So they were all hues, all colors,

and we all got along.

And so now you're gonna tell me

somebody doesn't like somebody else's skin color,

and they're gonna throw things at you?

It was incomprehensible to me.

In 1983, I was three years graduated from--from college

with my degree in music,

and country music had made a resurgence in this country.

A lot of clubs that were playing Top-40 and whatever else

had switched over to country.

There'd been this movie called "Urban Cowboy,"

and they had this mechanical bull,

and everybody was doing these line dances and stuff,

so a lot of the bars, you know,

were now turning into country bars.

And if you wanted to play music full time,

you know, you had to go with the flow.

And so I joined a country band.

Well, we played a truck stop

up in a place called Frederick, Maryland,

called The Silver Dollar Lounge.

So here I was with this band,

only black person in the whole-- in the band or in the lounge.

We finished the first set,

and on the break, I came down off the bandstand.

I'm walking across the dance floor,

and this white gentleman in his 40s

walks up behind me and puts his arm around my shoulder,

and he says, "I really like your all's music."

I said, "Thank you. I appreciate that,"

shook his hand.

And he says, "You know, this is the first time

I ever heard a black man play piano like Jerry Lee Lewis."

I just said, "Well, where do you think

"Jerry Lee Lewis learned how to play?

Some black blues and boogie-woogie piano players."

"Ah, no, no, no. Jerry Lee invented that."

I said, "No, he didn't." We argued back and forth,

but he wanted to buy me a drink.

Now, I don't drink, but I agreed to go back to his table.

So I go back there.

He had a buddy sitting there at the table.

He pulls a chair around the other side,

sits next to his buddy, and I sit opposite both of them.

And then he says, "You know, this is the first time

I ever sat down, had a drink with a black man."

I asked him why, and he didn't answer me.

He stared down at the, uh, tabletop.

His buddy said, "Tell him. Tell him. Tell him,"

elbowing him in the ribs.

I said, "Tell me. I mean, what's this big secret?"

He looks at me just as plain as day, and he says,

"I'm a member of the Ku Klux Klan."

He gave me his phone number

and wanted me to call him

anytime I was to come back to this bar with this band,

'cause he wanted to bring his--his friends.

You know, his friends.

He come with these Klansmen and other Klanswomen,

and, um, they'd gather around and watch me play piano

and then get on the dance floor and dance.

Not in their robes and hoods.

You know, they came in regular clothes, right?

One more time, Daryl.

Why do you prefer

to meet Klan members face to face?

They can't know the real me

through e-mail or through Facebook.

Just sitting across from somebody,

meeting somebody, getting that sense of them,

that's the key right there.

If you have an adversary,

someone with an opposing point of view,

regardless of how extreme it may be--

and believe me, I've heard things

that have cut me to the bone--

but give that person a platform.

Allow them to air their views,

and when you do things like that,

there is an excellent chance that people will reciprocate.

Jeff Schoep currently heads the National Socialist Movement.

The National Socialist Movement

is the largest neo-Nazi group in the United States.

40-year-old Jeff Schoep, who goes by the title Commander,

leads about 55 chapters of the NSM.

Jeff Schoep, National Socialist Movement.

Daryl Davis. Nice to meet you.

My pleasure. I've heard a lot about you for years.

National Socialist Movement travels all over the country

on behalf of white citizens,

on behalf of white rights.

You know, if people ask me, "Are you a white supremacist?"

No, I'm not a white supremacist.

White separatist, white nationalist, yeah, sure.

Basically when you have white people that are standing up

in society today, that are talking

about white pride or white issues,

they're often called racists or bigots or hatemongers.

If you watch any of my speeches or things like that,

I'm not out there saying "nigger," "kike,"

or cuss words or things of that nature.

Most of our leadership doesn't either.

You know, white people should be able

to stand up for white issues just as the other races have

without it being called hate.

Would you compare yourself to Martin Luther King?

In some ways.

In some ways. Which way?

He was, uh, campaigning for his causes

in a peaceful manner, and that's what we're doing.

A black gentlemen came up, and he says,

"It's just black rage. It's just black rage.

"That's why I say he's doing that.

"It's just young black kids taking it out on whitey,

'cause it's black rage."

Well, guess what, black man.

There's white rage, too.

The American melting pot experiment

is something that we believe hasn't worked.

History has proven that we can't all get along.

I'm from Detroit, so my experience

living amongst many black people

is that a lot of 'em feel that, uh,

white people have oppressed them and held them down--

Is there any truth to that at all?

I don't feel there is. Really?

I don't feel there is.

When they were brought over here

against their will, forced to work for nothing?

Their women were raped by the slave masters.

Their children were sold on the courthouse steps.

As far as slavery is concerned,

it was a travesty, a human travesty,

and it was something that should have never happened

and should have never taken place,

and it was very unfortunate,

even though it's been hundreds of years,

and some of the animosity,

I think, is still there.

Even go back 50 years,

we still had Jim Crow laws.

This was, you know, a hundred years after slavery,

and we--we still see it lingering today.

I'm not justifying hatred,

but I'm just giving you a reason why

there is some animosity there.

And that's what I'm saying.

It's better if we separate

amongst the racial groups

so we don't have these--these sorts of things.

Do you predict that there will be a race war,

or do you think it will be averted?

To speak a little more frankly

and a little bit more radically,

we wouldn't like to see a race war,

but if it comes, you know, we intend to finish it.

What we'd like to see is a white nation-state.

We would like to see our country liberated

from the Zionists, first and foremost,

and then handle the racial issues from there.

So you consider Jews to be a race as opposed to a religion.

Absolutely, and we feel that they're--

they're basically an enemy of the state.

Are you a big proponent

of the ideology of, uh, Adolf Hitler?

We are inspired by the political ideology of Adolf Hitler,

but I don't like to get into the Holocaust or,

as we'd say, the so-called Holocaust, you know.

Do you believe that--that it did happen, didn't happen,

or did not happen to the degree that we're taught it happened?

I-It did not happen to the degree

that we're taught it-- taught it happened.

Could I join the NSM?

There are white people in the NAACP.

The membership is--is just open to white people.

So it's racist.

I wouldn't say it's racist.

Well, what is it? Heh.

It's--It's geared towards white people.

You men and women that are here today,

if we are going to take back this nation,

we have to stand in solidarity. White power.

White power! White power!

What kind of music do you like, uh, Jeff?

All kinds of music. Yeah?

Rock, hard-core, Oi!, R.A.C.,

Rock Against Communism.

And do you realize that rock was invented by black musicians?

Oh, we're not gonna go there, are we?

Oh, yes, we are. Oh, yes, we are.

Yes, my brother, we're going there.

Well, who-- who invented rock, then?

Elvis Presley.

You're not being serious, right?

Why not?

I--I know a man

as intelligent as you are--

and trust me, I am one of the biggest Elvis fans you'll ever meet,

but Elvis Presley himself told--

would say he did not invent rock-'n'-roll.

He attributed it to people like Chuck Berry and Fats Domino

and the blues.

You're a musician, so you probably, uh,

know some more things about music than I do,

as far as going back and all that,

but I think it's irrelevant.

You know, whoever created the music,

if music is good, music is good.

It doesn't matter who created it, does it?

Well, it matters that credit is given where credit is due,

'cause, you know, you're trying to give credit

to the, uh, white forefathers of this country.

What difference does it make? I'm here now.

Ben Franklin's not sitting here. No.

Abraham Lincoln's not sitting here.

I don't give a shit about Abraham Lincoln or Ben Franklin.

I'm just saying like you're saying.

What difference does it make?

I know black people invented peanut butter,

and I like that.

What was his name?

I...

Come on, come on... Was it--

Carver.

First name?

George Washington Carver.

My man. My man.

Country music and the blues,

they're kissing cousins.

They share the same chords,

often the same chord progressions,

but society has categorized them

as one being predominantly white

and the other being predominantly black.

I consider Hank Williams Sr. to have been a blues singer,

'cause he--he wrote songs and sang songs from the soul.

The only thing that differentiated him

was the color of his skin and the twang in his voice.

But Hank Williams Sr. said he learned to play guitar

from a black street blues guitar player

here on the streets of Montgomery, Alabama,

a fella named Rufus "Tee-Tot" Payne

If you listen to Hank's songs, "Your Cheatin' Heart,"

"You Win Again," "Hey, Hey Good-Lookin',"

those are basically blues.

And you take Hank Williams as the father of country music,

and you take the boogie-woogie of Pinetop Perkins,

the jump blues of Louis Jordan and T-Bone Walker,

Chuck Berry took all of that, assimilated it,

and created rock-'n'-roll.

My name is Mark Potok.

I'm a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center,

uh, in whose offices we are now in Montgomery, Alabama.

The Center was formed, uh, in 1971,

and essentially the idea of the Center

was that it would continue the work,

uh, of the civil rights movement,

which, in a kind of formal sense,

ended with the assassination of Martin Luther King in '68.

The Center really is best known for its suits against Klan groups

and other related hate groups.

I am trying to get into the minds of people like that

by actually not putting them, you know,

on the spot following the research,

but in social situations.

Like I am a professional musician.

I would invite them to my gigs to see my band play,

try to sit down, have dinner with people.

And, uh, through that process,

some of them have-- have rethought their ideology.

Of course, there'll be those who will go to their graves

being hateful and being violent

and who will never leave,

you know, that-- that ideology.

But I come from more of a thing of trying to understand

and trying to set an example

and trying to explain things

and see if they can't take a stand themselves

to redirect their thinking

and perhaps rehabilitate, you know, their own ideology.

Our intention is, if possible,

to destroy these groups.

Uh, if that's not possible,

to marginalize them politically.

We've helped a lot of people out of groups,

but we don't go in and have coffee,

uh, with the Klan leader at all. I mean,

my experience has been that, by and large,

people come out of these groups when they're ready to.

Frank Ancona is the President

and Imperial Wizard of the True Invisible Empire

Traditionalist American Knights of the KKK.

The Klan being a Christian organization,

our belief is that for America to survive,

it needs to be under white Christian rule.

We're on our way right now

to see Frank Ancona, who is the Imperial Wizard

of the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan,

which is currently the largest

Ku Klux Klan organization in our country.

Hey, Frank. How you doing, man?

Doing great. Good to see you.

How are you? All right, great.

Have a seat. All right.

I've known Frank for a little over three years now.

I consider Frank to be my friend.

I consider Daryl to be my friend as well.

We met through, uh, someone

who was wanting to do an interview.

So I think we talked for a few months

even before the interview.

Yeah, we did. Had a lot

of good conversations with each other.

Felt like, hey, this is somebody I can relate to.

I had joined because of the heritage, the history.

I like the fraternal brotherhood aspect of it, you know,

the mysteriousness of the Klan.

We're called the Traditionalist American Knights,

because we are an American organization.

We want--We believe in traditional American values.

You made a statement to me.

"The crow and the eagle don't fly together,

but yet they're both birds."

How far does the T.A.K. go?

Where is the separation?

You know, we--we can go to school together.

We can work jobs together.

Uh, we can play together in the park.

As far as reproducing, we believe--

Miscegenation. Right.

We don't believe in the mixing of-- of the races.

There's a, you know, story about the Tower of Babel,

where God kind of... Spread out.

spread 'em out all each with their own tribe,

culture, race, so, I mean,

we believe there's a biblical principle to it.

I raise my children as far as Christian beliefs.

I don't push Klan doctrine on 'em.

You know, I don't-- That's their decision.

You know, if they ask me a question about it, I'll answer it.

I got a daughter that's 12 years old.

She's got no interest in it.

She's into, uh, playing her XBox

and going shopping at the mall.

Now explain why some Klan groups

will accept neo-Nazis into their group,

uh, and some Klan groups you know, reject neo-Nazis.

Really, we don't believe in the same thing.

I mean, the Nazis basically want a white homeland.

That's not the mission of the Klan.

Nazism, socialism, that's anti-American.

We're supposed to support the U.S. Constitution.

We believe in the free exercise of our--our rights.

Daryl had been interviewed by different media personalities.

He actually came to the defense

of Traditionalist American Knights on-- on a couple things,

so I wanted to present this, uh, certificate of friendship

to, uh, Daryl.

Thank you very much. It says,

"Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan

"Certificate of Friendship,

"presented to Daryl Davis in recognition

"for his friendship and contributions

"to the Traditionalist American Knights

and demonstrating true friendship."

While I don't necessarily agree

with his, uh, separatist ideology,

uh, I consider Frank Ancona to be a friend of mine.

Actually, I consider him to be a very good friend of mine.

Um, I've been into his home.

I've met his wife a-and daughter,

and, uh, we've had great conversations

for several years now.

Whatever the man may say at the dinner table,

however nicely he treats his kids and his dog,

the fact is he is pouring, uh, hatred out there into the public square

which goes way beyond, uh, Frank Ancona.

I don't know if my...

my point's, uh, pointing.

Don't want to be limp.

Ah. All right.

The--The hood is supposed to symbolize the head of a dove,

and then the--the cape symbolizes the wings.

I mean, yeah, look, I think you're working on a retail strategy.

We're working a wholesale strategy.

Uh, you know, we-- we can't wait around.

Yeah, I understand-- Maybe Frank Ancona

will find redemption, and good for him.

I'm not motivated by personal hatred of Frank Ancona.

There's a larger poison at work here,

uh, than just the question of is Frank Ancona personally a bad man.

This is the charter of the United Klans of America,

which was one of the most dangerous Klan groups,

the most violent Klan groups during the civil rights movement,

between 1954 and 1968.

Uh, this charter was surrendered to the Southern Poverty Law Center,

uh, at the conclusion of our civil case against the U.K.A.

Well, one day, I'm going to bring, uh, Frank Ancona

and his family to-- to Washington, D.C.

Bring your daughter and your wife,

and just, oh, hang out and see the sights

and have dinner with me and my wife and...

Sounds like a good--good plan.

Absolutely. We're gonna do that.

Good time.

This went to become known as the million-dollar quartet.

Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins, Johnny Cash, and Elvis Presley.

I've had the pleasure of meeting all four of these gentlemen.

We're here in, uh, Sun Studios in Memphis, Tennessee,

where a lot of famous people were put on the map

right here in this studio.

Elvis Presley recorded here,

Roy Orbison, Billy Lee Riley,

Charlie Feathers, great musicians of all genres.

One of my favorites, who taught me how to play piano,

Pinetop Perkins.

B.B. King, Rufus Thomas,

Chester Burnett, otherwise known as Howlin' Wolf.

During the daytime, they have tours here.

But in the evenings, musicians come in

and actually record here,

so they can say they recorded in the same space

as some of these great legends.

Ready?

Even though I got my degree in music,

my parents still were very leery

of my ability to make a living,

and because they didn't have that confidence,

I did not invite them to my shows.

I was out playing with the Coasters, Chuck Berry,

and different people, and they had no clue.

One day, I was playing this big concert,

and I happened to look out in the audience,

and there were my mom and dad.

Even though their confidence in me was building,

even on my mom's deathbed, my mom pulled me down to her

and said, "Daryl, if it doesn't work out,

you can always do something else."

Thank you. Thank you very much.

All right.

Uh, we're standing in front of the Lorraine Motel

in Memphis, Tennessee,

the site of the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr.

These cars were actually as they were,

you know, when Dr. King was here.

We've kept the room exactly as it was,

both rooms, actually,

exactly as it was, uh, on April 4, 1968.

You know, I was 10 years old

when the assassination took place,

and I was watching "Bewitched."

All of a sudden,

in the middle of this program

that I'm entranced in watching,

beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

And the words "special bulletin" appears.

And this guy comes on saying, you know, um,

"We are interrupting this program

to bring you this special announcement."

Good evening.

Dr. Martin Luther King,

the apostle of nonviolence and the civil rights movement

has been shot to death in Memphis, Tennessee.

Initially, I could not understand.

Why couldn't it wait until the 6:00 news

like everything else?

Maybe my father would know who he is.

And I told him about this guy who came on TV

and said that somebody named Martin Luther King had just been assassinated.

And my father's head fell into his hands.

And I'd seen my mom cry.

I had never seen my father cry,

but he cried then.

And I didn't get it. I didn't understand it.

And then my father explained to me

who Martin Luther King was

and that my father had marched with Martin Luther King

and all the great things that he had done.

And so almost instantly, this guy became a hero to me,

and I learned very quickly, you know, who he was,

his significance, and his importance,

not just in my life, but in a lot of people's lives

and--and what he was trying to accomplish

in bringing our society together

because of the people like the ones

who threw rocks and things at me.

These same kinds of people threw bombs inside his house

and his churches where he would preach.

Oh, you know, it's really important

that it not just be considered history.

This is not a history museum,

although we have history chronicled in it. Right.

It is a museum that talks about what was going on

during a period that was one of the most significant in American history

and that it parallels what's going on today.

We're still fighting to vote.

We're celebrating 50 years of Selma

and passing of the Voting Rights Act,

and we still have folks that cannot vote.

That's why when we talk about the civil rights movement,

we don't talk about it in the past.

So what's gonna happen when Obama gets out of office?

Are we only gonna study Obama

in the month of February 'cause he's black,

put him in the February box?

The National Civil Rights Museum

is 365/24/7 black history

in the context of it being American history.

This country is-- is what it is,

and it's been through a lot of growth...

But it can change, yes.

yes. It's come a long ways,

but it still has a long ways to go.

And awful long way, as news will tell you.

Get back! Get back! Get back!

Get back!

You always gotta prove yourself

that you a bad motherfucker.

Say something to me. Say something to me.

That's what I thought.

What aspects of his dream would you say

have, uh, become reality?

And which ones still need to--to be, um...

Oh, wow. That's--

You know, that's a huge question.

How long is this document...

It's a living documentary.

Right. It's got to be.

It must be-- It's gonna be like "Roots."

You can kill the dreamer,

but you can't kill the dream... Right.

and that is-- that's so true

if you understand what that dream was about.

I'm standing here on the tomb

of a murderer and a coward and a terrible general.

He was also a slave trader

who went on to murder his slaves instead of freeing them

like all other Confederate generals did

at the end of the Civil War.

His name was Nathan Bedford Forrest,

who went on to become the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

Now is--is there a place

for Nathan Bedford Forrest besides Hell?

Uh, yes, there is, you know,

perhaps in a museum or in the history books.

But I don't think he should be somewhere,

you know, where-- where you honor somebody.

I wouldn't have a problem

leaving the name as Confederate Park

and having all the Confederate stuff

placed right here,

you know, rather than scattered all over town.

It's sort of like, you know, going to see

an internment camp in Germany or something.

The Director of the Ku Klux Klan

is hoping the remains of a Confederate general

will be relocated from Memphis to Arkansas.

General Nathan Bedford Forrest

is believed to have started the KKK.

Now, in recent weeks, a statue that sits

atop the remains of Forrest and his wife

had "Black Lives Matter" spray-painted on it.

The Memphis city council has voted

to remove the remains and statue,

but KKK Director Tom Robb is concerned

they could still be damaged if they stay in Tennessee.

We feel this would be a proper place in a Christian setting.

Robb says the relocated remains could potentially end up

just a few yards in front of the main office,

but he says relocating those remains

outside of the city, let alone the state,

could be a long shot.

But then miracles do happen.

Thomas Robb has the oldest Klan group

in the country currently.

He believes in-- in white supremacy.

He also believes in white separatism.

He knows the history of the Klan,

which is why he's gotten his image away from them,

but yet he still maintains the name Ku Klux Klan,

because it draws attention to him.

I'll defend my race, my faith, and my homeland,

come what may.

White people did dominate this country,

control this country, created this country.

We're the architects of the country.

They want to preserve,

uh, their neighborhoods, their ethnic identity,

all those things that-- that they can identify with as a people.

Now, I guess in your opinion,

you would call it being defiled

if you were to have black blood in you

or if your daughter or one of your family members

were to have some black blood in them.

I would consider it probably a further erosion

of white people to the ultimate conclusion of white genocide.

You know Daryl's wife is white?

I-I'm aware of that. How do you feel about that?

I certainly find it re-reprehensible, uh, but--

What is reprehensible about it?

Pardon? What is reprehensible about it?

She loves me. I love her.

Whatever. You know, I'm not gonna try to argue,

even discuss it, argue with--

The point is, you know, you're a black man.

You see the world from a different worldview than I do.

Well, apparently she and I see the same worldview.

Well, just telling you the way I see it.

I've heard you use the term genocide,

but I understand you don't believe the Holocaust happened.

Are you talking the holocaust of the Russian people?

I just read that--

I mean, 63 million, uh, Russian Christians,

Ukrainians were killed and murdered by the Soviets in 192--

Are you talking about that holocaust?

I read that you awakened to the myth of the Holocaust

at, like, around age 13. It was in one of your--

Oh. Well, yeah, I don't think the Holocaust happened.

What would you say to people like me

who will say to you

that, yes, white people came here,

they took over this land from the Native Americans

they built this country on the backs of my ancestors,

on the backs of black slaves,

so now where's my place in this country?

Well, first off, I would like to hear

some appre-- words of appreciation.

Think of the, uh, thousands of farm boys

who died in some battlefield in the Civil War

and spilt their blood, that eventually

purchased the freedom of the African slave,

and I never heard anybody say, "Thank you."

I'd like to hear that to begin with,

and then I would like to hear some appreciation

for the millions of dollars that is spent every year

on public housing, for, uh, healthcare,

and for all the other things that--

that the black community benefits from.

What you've benefitted from here in this country

is much better than what you'd be receiving

if you lived in, uh, Kenya or Rwanda.

You came here voluntarily, okay?

I--I came here by force.

I can't help it if our--

my ancestors who stand on the shoreline of England

envisioned ships and went back into the woods

and cut down timber and made ships and sails

and conquered a new land.

I can't help it that my ancestors

could visualize and see new lands beyond the horizon.

The moment, the very, very, very split second you become proud,

you become a conqueror again!

The only man today that has a national holiday in this country

wasn't even American.

He was a rapist, and he was a murderer,

and he didn't discover anything,

'cause how do you get here and claim you discovered it

when people were already here?

Well, let me tell you something.

If you're going to disparage

the history of Columbus-- Yes, I am.

Okay, then I'm not interested in doing an interview any further.

Well, tell me why.

I don't need to know why.

I hear enough anti-White rhetoric.

I am not anti-White, but I'm pointing out--

Sure you are. No, I'm not.

Yes, you are-- How do you figure--

How do you figure that I'm anti-White, Tom?

Would you consider him anti-White, Rachel?

Sitting here next to me

is Rachel Robb Pendergraft,

the daughter of Pastor Tom Robb.

Rachel is the highest ranking woman

in what you would call the Ku Klux Klan

out of all the factions.

Even though I have the position I do,

I consider myself a stay-at-home mom.

I home-schooled three children.

I have six grandchildren.

This is a situation, white genocide,

that men and women both need to work on together

and help, uh, protect our children, our families.

Hi. My name is Andrew.

And my name is Alex.

This show is for all the white kids out there.

Is everybody having a good Christmas?

I am.

Have you seen the new Disney princess movie?

No. It's called--

It's called "The Princess and the Frog."

The princess is a black, so that is good

for all the black kids out there,

but the prince is white.

It is all about how race mixing is good.

But race mixing is wrong.

As all the people mix all up,

there won't be any more white kids.

So don't race mix.

Be white and proud, and tune in next week.

Like Pastor Robb said,

it's not all doom and gloom.

We do have a powerful message for our people.

I have so much love in my heart for-- for my family,

and I want other people to have love in their hearts for their family also.

My family, I love more, is--is my white family.

I mean, who really cares about race mixing

if we're not God's divinely appointed "authority" on Earth?

I mean, who would really care?

It's bringing like-minded people together,

and so one of the ways that we do that is with billboards.

I have no problems with your billboard, WhitePrideRadio,

and I've said that on national media before.

I'm speaking from a white perspective here.

I can't have a community of my own.

I can't have a church to my own.

I can't have a club to my own.

I can't have a golf course to my own.

I can't have anything that I can say is mine, my people,

without them saying, "You got to accept me."

Okay, so what can we all do together as a nation,

all of us, blacks and whites,

to--to help--

Help save the white race.

Help save the white race.

Absolutely.

Tom Robb will tell you that he is not my friend.

He'll--He'll make that very clear to you.

I am Tom Robb's friend,

and I feel that, one day, he will come around.

There is growing outrage tonight

after an unarmed African-American teenager

was shot and killed by police

in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, Missouri.

Why can't we fix it and make a dialogue

instead of that happening?

Why don't they come and walk with us?

This is they everyday life,

and they mad.

They're mad.

I'm mad.

We should all be mad, man.

We should all be angry

because of what's going right now.

There is a fundamental lack of trust

and lack of empathy between minorities and police in America.

On the way to this particular set,

I was stopped because the officer said I looked like someone.

The first time that an officer pulled a gun out on me,

I was 12 years old.

He told me that I looked like someone.

So we're talking about a 30-year gap in my life

in which I continue to look like someone

that the police officers are interested in.

We're standing here in Ferguson, Missouri,

right in front of the Ferguson city police department.

As we know, Ferguson was the center

of the media controversy and violence here

just a few months ago.

A black man by the name of Michael Brown,

who was unarmed, ended up being shot

and dying right there on the street,

and his body was left there for four hours.

All of this was not about Michael Brown

or Darren Wilson, for that matter.

It was about decades of police abuse.

We've seen many of these incidents

throughout the country.

3-21, we have shots fired.

We have one suspect down.

I felt safer with the Klan.

When I see a Klansman walking towards me in a robe and hood,

I know what he stands for.

When I see a police officer in a uniform

with a badge and gun,

I know what they're supposed to stand for.

There are certainly many, many honest, decent police officers throughout our country,

but there is a percentage who are bad cops.

Good cops need to stop obeying that code of silence.

It says a lot to how far we have not come.

Who's that? A friend of yours?

That was my son. It was your son?

This afternoon, we met Tracy Martin at the crime scene.

He says his 17-year-old son, Trayvon Martin,

was shot to death.

He just walked out the house to go to the store.

He was going to the store.

Police in South Carolina

are looking for a gunman

following a shooting at a church

in downtown Charleston Wednesday night.

The shooter walked into the Emanuel AME Church

and opened fire.

Here is the situation in Dallas, Texas.

We have had 11 police officers hit by gunfire

during an otherwise peaceful protest.

We know that the overwhelming majority of police officers

do an incredibly hard and dangerous job

fairly and professionally.

We also know...

that centuries of racial discrimination,

they didn't simply vanish with the end of lawful segregation.

As a society, we choose

to underinvest in decent schools.

We allow poverty to fester

so that entire neighborhoods

offer no prospect for gainful employment.

We refuse to fund drug treatment

and mental health programs.

And if we can not even talk about these things,

if we cannot talk honestly and openly,

not just in the comfort of our own circles,

but with those who look different than us

or bring a different perspective...

then we will never break this dangerous cycle.

We're here at, uh, Saint Vincent's Church

in Baltimore, right off of, uh,

Lexington Street and Front Street,

and we're handing out, uh, clothes and food

to the homeless and to the needy.

So we've made several hundred lunches

and gotten donations of clothes and different items,

toiletries, toys, et cetera.

Want some lunch?

Here. Have a bag.

Thanks for this. You're welcome.

It seems like the uprising

really brought everyone together in Baltimore,

so this is like an extension of that,

how--how it continues on.

Don't mind if we do.

That's the last one I got there.

Aww. But I'll get some more, though. Okay.

Michael Wood is a very honest, uh, individual.

He was not liked by the Baltimore City Police,

because he didn't play the good-old-boy network game.

I want police to actually find ways,

when they see a drug dealer on the corner,

to figure out what the root cause is.

He doesn't want to be on that corner.

Drug dealer's probably the worst job.

Cops are looking for you. Robbers looking for you.

Other drug dealers are looking for you,

so it's the worst job in the world.

They don't want that job,

so actively find a way to solve that problem.

So if he can't get a job

because he's got a felony conviction,

well, we need to find a way-- an employer that will take him.

Or we need to fight and say, look, we can't put

felony convictions on applications,

because it's sowing the seeds of crime.

I think the story says you're, like, the only black Klansman.

No, that story's wrong. I'm not in the Klan.

There are no black people in the Klan.

If there were, there wouldn't be a Klan.

No, what I do is I meet with them,

sit 'em down, and talk with them

and interview them and find out, you know,

what's going on up here. And as a result,

some of them have become friends of mine,

good friends of mine, and some of them

have ended up leaving the Klan,

and now I own their robes and hoods.

Oh, wow. Yeah.

What do you do with them?

I have a collection of them.

One day, I'm gonna open up a museum.

Really?

Well, I think it's interesting

that--and even provocative.

I know a lot of people are mad

that a black man has the Klan robes.

Yeah. Yeah. So--

Well, you know what? It's better that I have 'em

than they have 'em. Yeah.

The police culture's amuck.

I-It's gone so far that the idea right now

is that if an officer is afraid,

then he can do whatever he wants.

He--He can kill at that moment.

As long as he uses that phrase, "I fear for my life."

Right. And we have a society

that has determined that we should fear the black man.

Where does that culture come from initially in the police department?

It's that us versus them.

You are superior,

because you are that thin blue line.

The legal system and the culture are designed

that these people are never wrong.

In Maryland, the literal perception

is that the city police,

their purpose is to control the monkeys

and keep them contained within the confines of Baltimore.

That is how people in the suburbs see city residents.

So how do I get a cop that comes from that environment

to sit down and talk

and to actually see that person as a human?

The first thing you would do is invite that person to the table

and--and see what he or she would say

and say, "Look, if somebody is willing to talk to you

"and learn something from you,

"don't you think that you have

a responsibility to reciprocate?"

I've been in 53 different countries.

I've been exposed to many, many different cultures,

races, religions,

socioeconomic statuses, et cetera.

I look at--at the Ku Klux Klan as simply just another culture.

I didn't look at them the same way I might have looked at them

had I grown up in this country

and had to fight bigotry, you know, my whole life.

Yes, I've fought it, but not as much as somebody

who, say, lived in the middle of it their whole life.

Robert White got busted

for assault and attempted murder,

two black men, with a shotgun.

He went on to become a very good friend of mine.

Will you come to my wedding?

Sure I'll be at your wedding if you want me there.

Why would--Why would you go to his wedding

if you don't believe in the mixing of races?

I will attend his wedding if he wants me there,

just to-- because it's Daryl.

As a result of our friendship, he left the Klan.

This is his Klan robe, his Grand Dragon robe.

His day job was this.

This is his jacket.

Baltimore city police officer.

And I'm glad that I have this stuff,

because it shows that people can indeed change.

It also shows what a lot of people don't believe.

Systemic racism in America invades hiring.

It invades education.

It invades policing.

It invades residency. Mm-hmm.

So every lane is important,

and every lane needs to be fought.

We will fight for Freddie Gray

all night! All day!

Take back... Baltimore!

Take back... Baltimore!

Daryl Davis.

Tariq Touré. My pleasure.

Kwame Rose. My pleasure. Daryl Davis.

I'm a 21-year-old college dropout.

Most people know me from April.

During the Baltimore uprising,

I'm the guy that confronted Geraldo Rivera.

Because you're not here reporting about the--

the boarded-up homes and the homeless people under MLK.

You're not reporting about the poverty levels

up and down North Avenue.

You're here for the black riots.

You hear that? Geraldo ought to run, y'all?

Since the death of Trayvon Martin,

there's been, uh, a trending hashtag on social media,

#BlackLivesMatter.

I mean, that's kind of put

in the spotlight the fact that police

have been killing unarmed black people.

April 12, Freddie Gray was racially profiled

by three white officers.

He got chased down. He got beat up.

By the time he got to the Western Police District,

his spine was 90% severed.

He died April 19.

Working-class people, poor black people,

rich black people, and all of our allies

took to the streets for almost a month

and let it be known that, you know,

this was not gonna be a trend here in Baltimore.

Look at your neighbor, and tell 'em, "I got your back."

I got your back.

Where do you feel Martin Luther King fits in?

For me, personally, Martin was that charismatic leader

who came from royalty, who got put into a great position.

People never talk about the last three years

of Martin Luther King's life, when he became "radicalized."

Dr. King told Harry Belafonte, 1968,

"I fear I integrated my people into a burning house."

We gotta talk about how we gotta end white supremacy,

how we gotta build independent black institutions,

and how we all relate to that.

This country is built off economics,

so if we're not talking about getting our wealth back

or--or building our wealth,

then we really ain't talking about anything.

We can go off the rhetoric, all the history.

It doesn't work for me. Okay,

so in kind of a roundabout way,

you're more into segregation than integration?

No, but do we need to separate our dollars and fund our own stuff

and fund our own institutions

and fund our own businesses? Absolutely,

because so far, our dollars

just going up like a mushroom cloud.

I mean, I know you know a little bit about Daryl.

What's your perspective on his work?

I would just want to know what the end goal is,

is for the layman of Latrobe projects

who is receiving all the--the ills

of white supremacy and that hate, right,

and on the day-to-day level?

How do they even begin to even think

about that conversation that you're engaging in?

My end goal is to bring people together.

Okay? Bring-- Bring white supremacists

together with-- with their nemesis

as we learn how to get along with one another.

This country is--

But why I gotta get along with them?

Pardon me? Why I gotta get along with them?

Because they are our fellow Americans.

We all have to live in this country together.

Shit. Okay? We--We do.

Otherwise, we're gonna end up self-destructing.

So what is this museum? Who is it for?

It was-- People like you.

Oh, no, I'm good. Oh.

Oh, yeah. No, you're not good.

You ever heard of something called intergenerational trauma?

Intergenerational trauma? Yes.

No. Explain it to me.

Trauma passed on from generations

through images, symbols, different things like that.

So I have a daughter. She's one years old.

However, whenever the museum gets built,

let's say she's 15... Okay.

it's no way in hell I'm bringing her there

so she can relive that and see all of that.

No, not at all. What's the point?

Because in order to know where you're going,

you have to know where you came from.

White folks need to go see that.

How many robes have you collected?

Roughly I'd say maybe 25, 26.

How long you been doing that for?

Uh, since about 1990.

And you only got 26 robes?

You only got 25 robes?

You asked me about robes. You didn't say Klan memorabilia.

I got tons of stuff.

So since 1990,

which is longer than I've been alive,

you been trying to infiltrate the Klan...

Okay-- but what does that do for people?

Well, I tell you what. I tell you what it does, okay?

The state of Maryland had a large Klan organization.

When the Imperial Wizard,

which means the national leader,

when he turned in his robe to me,

the Maryland Ku Klux Klan fell apart.

Today, there is no more Ku Klux Klan--

I beg to differ.

Let me finish.

Today--Well, you can't,

because I-- I got the facts, okay?

Today there is no more Ku Klux Klan in the state of Maryland.

Infiltrating the Klan ain't freeing your people.

I disagree with you.

I--I don't see how.

What about, um, Timothy McVeigh?

I don't ca-- He's in jail.

Oh, he is? Or wasn't he killed,

something like that? So what?

Obviously you're very uneducated about it.

Well, I-- And you uneducated about the reality

of most of the people that look like you.

Every day on the hour, young black men

and women are being snatched... On the minute.

and kidnapped off the streets.

They're ruining people's lives, right?

Not rehabilitating them and sending them

right back in the same neighborhoods

that are already screwed up, anyway.

So when you say, "Oh, well, we need to be worried

about--about somebody blowing something up," no!

Somebody's getting locked up right now

that's 16 years old, that never may see the light of day again

just because they look like my skin

or Kwame's skin or your skin, for that matter.

So did--We talking about the energy

that you putting into all them years.

That's a whole lot of years to be doing that,

to be stuck-- It sound like a fetish.

Befriending a white person

who don't have to go through the same struggles

as you, me, the son in the barbershop or their father,

that's not an accomplishment.

That's a new friend.

That's somebody you can call.

And this is coming from a dropout.

You don't tell Steve Jobs he ain't successful.

He ain't have no college degree.

Bill Gates ain't got no college degree.

But listen. But what I got--

You being disrespectful now.

You can be in the streets

building with people, right?

So stop wasting your time

going into people's houses that don't love you,

a house where they want to throw you under the basement.

So you believe that nobody can change?

No, you--I believe you believe the wrong people can change.

What do you mean the wrong people can change?

The white supremacists can't change.

You don't believe they can change?

No, white supremacists can't change,

but I can change your mind, 'cause you look like me.

You ain't doing nothing but collecting something

that's gonna build your own credibility.

You nothing but a pimp in a pulpit.

And you're nothing but ignorant.

Hey, I'm Daryl Davis.

Sorry, Daryl. After that,

I can't shake your hand right now.

Okay, that's fine.

I just want to be resp--

I'm not trying to be disrespectful,

but I just want to say a couple things to you

about the interactions that I just saw.

First of all, man, you an old head like me.

I remember the day when Martin Luther King was shot.

I was six years old, and on that day,

I realized I was black. Not my skin color,

but I realized what it meant to be black.

I realized that I could die because I got this skin color right here.

That's insane that we live in this world,

that we live in this country

where your skin color determines your longevity.

For you to come to Baltimore and disrespect

some of the people who are on the front line here in Baltimore

in the way that you did is reprehensible.

Just like the young man said to you,

you could have done a whole lot more work

in the black community from the '90s to now

to move our people forward

rather than coming in here, trying to uplift somebody

that you got a hood off of their head.

They still wear those hoods.

And while you were saying the KKK doesn't exist,

I looked up the KKK in Maryland,

and there's a Klan group in Maryland right now

still very active. You look it up yourself.

So I'm saying you talking--you calling somebody ignorant.

You might want to check your own ignorance around this

before you start calling my young men in Baltimore

who are out here putting their lives on the line--

Kwame marches hard with me in Baltimore.

Kwame gets arrested in Baltimore.

Where were you when the marches were going on?

You were sitting with your Klan people

and disrespecting my people.

If you can't respect black people

and respect my people for doing the work that they doing,

take your ass, and you hang out with them.

Freddie Gray is dead.

Tyrone West is dead.

Anthony Anderson is dead.

All that shit you talking about these Klan--

these KKK hoods, who gives a shit?

I don't give a shit about you or your KKK hoods.

Don't come to Baltimore doing this shit again.

Oh, I-- Don't come back here.

Oh, I can't talk now?

You can talk, but don't talk that shit to me.

Why don't you sit down and be quiet and let me talk then?

Get the fuck out of my face.

See how you are? You show your own ignorance, man.

No, no, don't disrespect black people, man.

You got some black in you,

but you sound like you should have a hood on.

You won't let me talk, and you walk away...

Well, don't call me ignorant.

Then what are you showing?

Don't come here calling my people that.

I just did.

Don't fuck with my people, man.

You don't talk to the white supremacists like that.

You don't know what I do.

You don't know what I do.

Let me tell you something.

Walk through where we come from,

and you gonna have some--

Let's walk together.

You wasn't there!

And we not gonna walk now!

All of you, if you didn't know him, you know him now.

This man hate himself. For real.

If y'all following this dude,

y'all part of the problem.

Do you feel disconnected from black Millennials

or from that age group?

I-I've met people like him before,

uh, and--and have had confrontations with people like him before, not many.

A Klansman hates a white person

who "sells out," so to speak,

more so than they hate a black person,

just like the young boy hated me

more than he hated some white guy,

because he feels-- felt I sold out my own race.

He was very definite

that, uh, white people could not change.

How is he gonna advance any agenda in this country,

as diverse as it is?

Well, as you know,

this is the nation's capital, Washington, D.C.,

and it was designed by a fella named Benjamin Banneker,

but another fella named Pierre L'Enfant

got a lot of the credit for it,

and Pierre L'Enfant was a white guy from France,

and Benjamin Banneker, of course,

was a black guy from here.

You see where those people are standing right there

on this first tier, the black people?

Oh, okay, yeah.

Right there where they're standing

is where Martin Luther King gave his speech,

"I Have a Dream."

Take a picture of that.

I'm Scott Shepherd.

I was a sworn racist,

a former member of the Ku Klux Klan.

Scott Shepherd can relate to members of the Ku Klux Klan.

I was full of anger, full of hate.

He was one of them for 21 years.

He even ran for office,

appearing on national talk shows as a racist.

And I'll be apologizing the rest of my life, but that's okay.

I was born and raised in Indianola, Mississippi,

which was a hotbed of racial turmoil and--and friction.

The issues of my dad's alcoholism

played a big part in my life.

There were some incidents of violence

that would instill PTSD in a soldier,

and that affected me growing up, you know.

It left me with low self-esteem,

and I projected this hatred that I had for myself

and this anger out towards people of color.

At the age of 16,

I entered the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan

and lived a life as a racist.

They fed me the spiel.

"We can take you in,

"give you a sense of family and belonging,

protect you."

Because they play on fear.

How'd you feel to get that call?

Important.

And that's the idea, right?

Exactly. And what was their goal?

White supremacy by any means necessary,

including murder.

It destroyed my family. My older sister, she would call me on the phone,

and she asked me what I thought I was doing.

I wasn't raised this way.

They have the spot marked? Huh?

Do they have it marked?

Barely. Barely.

Hmm. Right here.

Wouldn't even be able to see it...

Exactly. if you didn't know it.

That's him right there.

There's the Monument.

So he's standing right here. Let's see.

Here he is. Here's the back of him.

See the Pool? Mm-hmm.

That's it, ain't it?

Uh-huh. Yeah,

I've seen that many a times on TV.

Hey, would you, uh, snap a picture of my friend and I?

My changing point was in Nashville, Tennessee.

I was, uh, at a restaurant,

had a few drinks.

Police pulled me over, and they got me,

and I failed a sobriety test.

That threw me into the court system.

I was forced into a rehab to get out of trouble.

I said, you know, I'm gonna go to rehab,

take the paperwork to the judge,

have charges dropped, and go on with my racist life.

Didn't happen that way. I went in that rehab one person and came out another.

I was forced to take a cold, hard look in the mirror,

and I saw the problem.

The problem was Scott Shepherd.

When she was on her deathbed, I was talking to my sister,

and she said, "You ever regret some of the things you've done?"

I said, "Every day."

And she said, "Well, you know, you can--

you can use your past to help people."

I opened up a blog.

Once you hit that publish button, it's out there.

I was scared to death what people were gonna say or think,

and I was totally surprised

by the outpouring of love and--and support that I got.

It gets emotional that--you know, for me,

because I fell for that crap.

It is very easy to do

when you're in the mind-frame that I was

at 16, 17 years old.

Do you think any of this, going in that direction

was your way of showing rebelliousness?

Very extreme rebellion, because I was raised by a black lady.

I went without seeing her for years and years...

'Cause you couldn't face her.

Exactly. Ironically when--

you know, when I got out of the movement and stuff, went to her house...

her arms were open.

As they always were.

Right.

I saw Daryl on Discovery Channel,

and he was making friends with Klansmen.

And--And I thought he was a crackpot.

I looked him up on Facebook or by e-mail,

and we've been friends ever since.

I didn't mean to put you in the back of the bus, Daryl.

Yeah, me and Rosa Parks, right.

Looks smaller than what it does on TV,

doesn't it? Yeah.

It looks just slightly bigger than Graceland.

Yeah.

Basically Daryl can probably accomplish more than I could.

I never thought I'd stand here

in front of this house with a black man.

Ha ha ha. There you go.

With a black man inside the house.

Right, with a black man inside the house.

Yeah. So, you know,

it is possible that-- that change can occur.

So Obama lives upstairs?

I'm not sure where his room is.

Bet them windows are bulletproof, aren't they?

How are you all doing this evening?

All right.

When you have an alcohol or drug problem,

the alcohol and drugs are not the problem

They're just the symptom. There's a deeper problem.

And the same way with racism. You know, that's just a symptom.

I didn't have to address racism.

I just had to address those issues, you know, within myself.

This city is very, uh, festive around the holidays.

Of course we have the National Christmas tree.

I really, really have a strong kinship with Scott.

He has seen the light,

and he feels the need to give back.

When I first began interviewing Klan members,

oftentimes they would answer the question,

but they wouldn't turn around and say,

"Well, you know, what do you think?"

They felt I was inferior,

I had nothing to offer in terms of my opinion.

Mind over matter. I don't mind, 'cause you don't matter.

But then, over time,

as the relationship develops,

slowly, but surely, they began asking me questions.

That was the first clue that a tide was turning.

Oh, all of a sudden, my opinion matters?

Let's see where this is going.

All right, my friend.

Somebody violated their oath.

I think one day, Frank Ancona

will leave the Klan, and I think one day,

I'm gonna be hanging this robe up in my museum.

Frank, how do you feel about that?

Would you like to see Daryl's

blue shirt hanging in your museum?

Actually I wouldn't mind giving him

one of our Traditionalist American Knights T-shirts.

I appreciate that. Thank you.

I don't know where I would wear it, but...

Right.

The friends that I've made,

I continue to keep.

I never set out to convert anybody.

I just set out to get that answer to my question,

how can you hate me when you don't even know me?

And in my quest to have that answer,

they couldn't answer it,

and some of them ended up converting themselves.

Actually changing people's minds and hearts, that's--

I think that's a testament to his character,

the power of what he was doing.

Can you get a picture of Mike and I?

Yeah, that'd be awesome, man.

I do think that white supremacy is the main problem,

and privilege is the main problem,

and if we can get past that,

then we can focus on all the nuances

of how to make it beautiful.

I will say this. For people coming out of the movement,

role models, I think, are incredibly important.

I have seen things change.

I have seen people change,

and that inspires me. I've changed.

Well, I would hope that by the time I'm gone,

things like this would not be as prevalent.

But if they are, perhaps this film

will encourage others to do the same

and do a better job, you know, than I've been able to do.

You won.

Say it again. I didn't hear you.

You won. That's right.

I said to the American people,

regardless of which side you were on in the election,

the sun would come up in the morning,

and that is one bit of prognosticating

that actually came true.

Not all people who voted for Donald Trump are racist,

but all racists voted for Donald Trump.

The Klan has been preaching much of the same thing

that the President-Elect ran his campaign upon,

and now they have a leader

who is sharing their sentiment and emboldening them.

I do believe he's doing us a favor,

because it is bringing out all the ugliness

from out under the carpet,

and we all have seen it firsthand,

and we cannot address it until we see it.

I feel very hopeful and optimistic for the future.

You know, Americans are survivors,

and fortunately there are enough of us

from all religious backgrounds, all skin tones,

that feel, you know, if we come together,

we can survive anything,

and I think, uh, Donald Trump is gonna show us the way,

whether it's intentional on his part or not.