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One day,

uh, the leader of--of the Klan
called me,

and he wants to know
if I knew of any, um,

places that would rent,
uh, a bus.

He was gonna bring
his--his Klan down

to have a--a march.

The bus rental place
in his county

refused to rent to him anymore,

because people
knew it was the Klan,

and they would throw rocks
at the bus and damage the bus.

I said, "I'll tell you what.

I'm gonna let you use my bus."

And he says, "What?"

And I said, "Yeah."

He goes, "You gonna lend me
your bus for a Klan rally?"

I had a bus from my band.

I said,
"Just put some gas in it,

you know, when you get done."

And the next day,
the Klan got on my bus

and came down here,

did their--their march,

and then when they
brought the bus back,

probably about--I don't know--
15 or so Klansmen

came over to my house.

And they all came in here
and sat around.

There were two Klansmen

who refused to--to drink
anything that I offered.

Everybody else
was having a good time.

We were all sitting around.

These two guys,

while they were
cordial and polite,

I could tell
that they were uneasy

about accepting anything
from a black man.

And, uh, sure enough,
shortly thereafter,

um, they quit the Klan.

They felt that--that the leader
had crossed a line

in having
that relationship with me.

Move out of the street!

Move out of the street!

Move out of the street now!

Well, I want
to show you something

that a lot of people
walk by obliviously,

even step on every day
and don't even realize it.

So what are we looking at
here, Daryl?

Okay, well, we're going up

towards where Lincoln is
sitting in his big chair.

So you know that two of the greatest
speeches ever given in this country

were the Gettysburg Address
by Abraham Lincoln

and the "I Have a Dream" speech
by Martin Luther King.

Take a look right over here.

In fact, somebody is
standing on it right now.

Excuse me a minute.

This right here,

this is where he stood

and gave that famous speech.

We will be able
to speed up that day

when all of God's children,

black men and white men,

Jews and Gentiles,

Protestants and Catholics,

will be able to join hands

and sing in the words
of the old Negro spiritual,

"Free at last, free at last,

thank God almighty
we are free at last."

All you have is an etching

in the, uh, concrete.

There's no plaque, no sign.

Millions of people
trample all over that,

not even realizing how
important that spot is.

He says,
"I have a dream."

I call this
stepping on the dream.

Excuse me.

We don't have the concentration

of the African-American
businesses that we used to have.

You know how you can go to almost
any city and find Chinatown?

We had our Soul Town.

We had our soul food places,
and we had jazz clubs

and a con--
concentrated community.

We don't have that anymore.
I miss that.

I'm used to being
out at nighttime,

so I'm always being stopped.

My father was
always being stopped.

But on the night of 9/11,

every street leading
into Washington, D.C.,

was roadblocked, and I had to get
in line to be checked, and it--

it was my turn.

As I pulled up,

the white officer looked at me

and said,
"Go ahead, sir."

Really?
And I thought,

"Oh, my goodness."

"I've arrived."

Because--heh.
That--That night,

the cops were not
looking for black people.

I have been here
for a number of years.

Suburban D.C. is where I live,

in Maryland,
right across the line.

Uh, we're headed
into the music store here

at Chuck Levin's
Washington Music Center.

Bought my, uh,
first keyboard from here.

You know, I wanted to say I
remember when you came, uh,

to my middle school,
Green Acres...

Oh, yeah, yeah.
when I was, like,

sixth or seventh grade.

Yeah, Professor Steckel.
Yep, yep.

And you talked about the Klan

and that whole thing,
and that, like,

rocked my world then,
and then I started

working here, and you came in here.
And then you're,

like, in, you know,
both sides of the world,

and I see Daryl Davis
in all worlds.

Daryl Davis?
I remember Daryl Davis.

This is my teacher.
How you doing?

How are you?
Good to see you.

He was very popular
and a class leader.

I do remember that.

Otherwise, how would
I remember your name

from 197--I do
remember your name.

Back when my mom
was sick with, uh, cancer,

I would bring her down here
for treatment,

and so during that time,
you know,

I'd park the car, and I'd wander
around Howard University campus.

I'm glad that I came here
to Howard.

Musicians that I worked with,
that I graduated with,

were some of the most
talented individuals,

you know, that I've ever seen.

How you doing, man?
What's up, brother?

Good to see you.
How you doing?

Good, man.
All right.

Mike Fitzhugh, man.
I read your book.

Oh, you did?
Yes, sir,

when it first came out.

Oh, I appreciate that,
man. Thank you.

It took a lot
of heart and courage.

I want to ask him--
Were you ever scared?

'Cause I know
I would have been scared.

Two men in the Washington area

are showing that even
an African-American man

and a member of the Ku Klux Klan
can find common ground.

CNN's Carl Rochelle reports.

Daryl Davis plays a hot piano.

It's part of the show,
and it makes him stand out.

He also stands out here.

Davis is one of the few
African-Americans

you will ever find
attending a KKK rally.

More than attending,
he is welcome.

I got more respect
for that black man

than I do
you white niggers out there.

Let's say you
and 20 other people

have this group
that is anti-racist,

and all you do is talk
about how bad racism is.

Well, what good
is that group doing?

All you're doing
is preaching to the choir.

If you and I agree,

I'm not accomplishing anything

by trying to convince you
of what you already know.

The way you resolve that

is you invite somebody
to the table

who disagrees with you

so you'd understand why
they have that point of view.

Then perhaps you would
figure out a solution

to dissuade their fears.

We believe that God
has commanded us

to separate ourselves
from other races.

The Klan is not beaten,
and the white race is not beaten.

It'll be a matter of time.
We're gonna take America back.

It's gonna be the bloodiest
war this country's ever seen.

And according to the
Southern Poverty Law Center,

there are currently
784 active hate groups

operating across the country,
a number that is growing.

Among the huge crowds
that greet Donald Trump

in city after city are members
of the newly coined Alt-Right.

I would describe it in the terms
that they don't like to use

and they are redefining,
racist, Klan members,

Nazis, neo-Nazis.

They are robocalls

that flooded Iowa
and New Hampshire voters.

The message, "We are
white supremacists.

Donald Trump is our man."

Do you think now

the rest of the country
is beginning to get it?

I hope so.
It's been a threat the whole time.

There's been a body toll
the whole time.

There's a guy with a rifle
here shooting at people.

Police say the suspect

has ties to white supremacists.

Heil Hitler!

But this is something
that's a wake-up call,

really, for everyone
in the nation.

White power.

White power.

They're not human.

There's nothing about these
people that are human.

What we have seen
in the last few years

is really an explosion.

When things really took off
in the most dramatic way

was in the fall of 2008,

when we saw the beginning
of an enormous expansion

in the number of both
so-called patriot groups,

or what we all used
to call militia groups,

and hate groups like the Klan.

Klan members are very much still
involved in racial violence,

and they, uh, essentially
live on hatred.

White power!
White power!

There was a Klan plot in Texas

northwest of Fort Worth,
which involved

blowing up
a natural gas refinery

that was located right next
to an elementary school.

The idea was that all police

and, uh, the authorities,
EMTs, and so on

would rush to the site
of this disaster,

and this little, tiny
Klan group, meanwhile,

would run across
to the other end of the county

and start robbing banks
in order to fund the race war.

Federal authorities announced

that had these man
and this one woman succeeded,

they would have murdered more
than 10 times the number of people

killed on 9/11.

I do believe
integration is wrong.

We are concerned about what we
view to be a white genocide.

My people are being
squeezed out of existence.

We would fight to the last
bullet for our people.

I have seen the future.

I know what can be done.

I know how people can get along.

It bothers me
that they can't see that

when there are so many examples

or they're
not willing to see it.

People tend to feel comfortable

around things
with which they're familiar,

and sometimes
they may become xenophobic

or develop a fear of things
that are different.

That fear can be overcome.

If they go beyond that fear
and develop a hatred,

that's harder to overcome.

Every single day,
I wake up in a house

that was built by slaves,

and I watch my daughters,

two beautiful black young women,

head off to school.

At one time,
we had no history...

no black history
in this country.

All we had was American history,

which might as well
have been called white history.

We had to fight
to get our history taught.

Here in Washington, D.C.,

everything is laid out perfectly

in a very thorough, sensible,
and mathematical way,

and it was Benjamin Banneker
who laid out that formula.

But the man who got the majority
of the credit for it

was a fella named
Pierre L'Enfant.

The, uh, Washington Monument,

it's the tallest building
in Washington, D.C.,

and, uh, no buildings are allowed to
be built taller than the Monument.

And, uh, it was helped
to be built by slaves.

So, you know, things like this
are always coming out.

A lot of people know it,

but until
it's in the history book,

it's not official.

D.C. is known pretty much for
just about every musical style.

Bo Diddley lived here
for a while,

Link Wray,

the legendary Chuck Brown,

Danny Gatton,

Roberta Flack,

the late, great Marvin Gaye,

Duke Ellington,
the king of jazz.

I thought of being a diplomat.

I thought of being
an espionage agent.

I thought
of being a computer programmer.

But a funny thing happened
on my way to being those things.

I saw a rock concert,

a couple of rock concerts...

with Chuck Berry,

with Elvis Presley.

And I got sidetracked,
so now I'm a musician.

Well, I play a variety of stuff.

I have my degree in jazz,

but I've played country,
rock-'n'-roll, boogie-woogie.

What would you like to hear?

Today I'm a musician,
actor, author,

and a lecturer.

Well, I just arrived
in Los Angeles, California.

I'm here to give
a lecture this evening

at University of California,
Irvine.

Well, it's a pleasure to be here

at University of California,
Irvine.

Thank you all for having me.

This, uh, lecture tonight,

it's not so much
about the Ku Klux Klan

as it is
about building relationships

and understanding
and embracing differences.

Always keep the lines
of communication open

with your adversaries,
regardless of what the topic is.

When two enemies are talking,
they're not fighting.

They might be yelling
and screaming and shouting

and beating their fists
on the table,

but at least they're talking,
and they're not fighting.

I believe in separation.

We've had integration
now for 50 years,

and nobody seems to realize
it don't work.

I mean, don't you have churches

that only cater
to--to blacks, though?

Yeah, because we couldn't
get in to the white churches.

You all see
this fine figure right here?

I didn't put this on overnight.

I want to lose it.

I'm not gonna lose it
by tomorrow,

but if I work on it, over time,
it will--it will shrink down.

When you're ingrained
in this stuff,

you're not gonna
shut it off overnight.

Y'all know who, uh, Geraldo is?

Okay. I was on this show

with some neo-Nazis
and some Klan.

KK Kids.
Children too young to hate.

Uh, Daryl, I want to ask you.

Have they had an active
children's movement?

The, uh, children's
movement started

with, uh, a fella
named Tony La Ricci

in the state of Maryland,

who formed the, uh,
Klan Youth Corps.

Okay, Mike, why don't you lead
out the various Klan families.

And your name and age?

Um, my name's Erin, and I'm 12.

So, uh, what do you think
about your parents,

uh, belonging
to these organizations?

I think it's fine.
Why, sweetie?

Well, I mean, they're
allowed to like their race.

They're allowed to be proud
of who they are, too.

Are you going to be a--a
member of the group also?

Yes.

So now both daughters
are in the Klan,

and their father,
he got sentenced

to 10 years in a federal prison,

so I thought, "You know what?

I'm gonna call Tina,
the mother."

I tracked down her number.
I called her,

and when I said,
"Tina, this is Daryl Davis,"

she hit the roof.

She cursed me up one side
and down the other,

wanted to know how did
I get her phone number,

what did I want, blah-blah-blah.

I said, "Tina, shut up,
and listen to me for a second."

I flew with them to Chicago

and drove them out to--
to Marion, Illinois,

to the federal penitentiary

where their father
was imprisoned

so they could visit him.

And nobody in the Klan had ever
done that for them before,

and so they had a turnaround.

Well, my little girl
came a long way,

you know, no thanks
to her father and I.

We really did our best
to destroy our kids, and, uh,

I do believe God does
work through people,

other human beings,
and He most certainly

uses Daryl Davis
as an instrument,

because that man has
touched a lot of lives.

Me and my husband Harley

would like to extend
our best wishes

to the city
of Rockville, Maryland,

as you celebrate the life and legacy of Dr.
Martin Luther King.

Neither me nor my family
are members

or are affiliated with
the Ku Klux Klan anymore.

Last couple questions,
anybody else?

This man is an unwritten
civil rights hero.

Before any other,

it was his music.

When Chuck Berry came out there
playing that rock-'n'-roll,

white kids and black kids
could not sit still.

They bounced up
out of their chairs

knocked over the ropes,
and began boogieing

and dancing in the aisles
together

for the first time
in American history.

He'll play a lick, and then
I'll imitate his lick.

And these are things
that you don't plan?

Right, all spontaneous.
That's rock-'n'-roll, though.

I'm standing
on the property of Campovida

at Hopland, California,
where I've been invited

to come and give a lecture
for the Do Lecture series.

Let's all hold hands
and start this day off

with the ringing of this bell.

On that note,
I will hand it over to you,

Daryl Davis.

Thank you, Peter,
and good morning.

Morning.
Morning.

It's really an honor to be here.

Thank you all very much
for having me.

Let me get started real quick

and just give you
a little bit of experience

that I had that led me on this--
on this journey, if you will.

How can you hate me

when you don't even know me?

Throughout my life,

I've been looking
for an answer to that.

Well, who better to ask

than someone
who would join an organization

whose whole premise
is hating people

who do not look like them?

So I began seeking out members
of the Ku Klux Klan.

They're not hard to find.

You know, they're really--
Trust me.

They--They're all over.

Well, CNN got wind of this
and wanted to do a story.

I got the name of the head
of the Klan in Maryland,

and they said, "Do you think
Mr. Kelly will even talk to us?"

I said,
"I'll do better than that.

"I'll get Mr. Kelly
to come back to my house,

"and you can interview the head
of the Ku Klux Klan

inside a black man's house."

And I believe in
separation of the races.

I believe that's in the
best interest of all races.

Does he, really?

Or has friendship
transcended the color barrier?

Listen to Kelly at a Klan rally.

I will follow that man
to Hell and back,

'cause I believe
in what he stands for,

and he believes
in what I stand for.

Lot of times we don't
agree with everything,

but at least he respects me
to sit down and listen to me,

and I respect him to sit down
and listen to him.

We're enemies.

He's the head of the Klan.
I'm a black guy,

but he respected me to sit down
and listen to him,

and in exchange, he sat down
and listened to me.

I did not respect
what he had to say.

I respected his right to say it.

We get to know one another,

and we do different things,
you know. It's--

It hasn't changed
my views about the Klan,

you know, because
my views on the Klan's

been pretty much cemented
in my mind for years.

We kept on doing that.

He and I became
the best of friends.

And over a period of time,

that cement
that was in his mind,

that held his ideas together,
began to crack,

and then it crumbled,

and then a few years later,

Roger Kelly quit
the Ku Klux Klan.

Today he no longer believes
in what he said on that video.

And when Roger Kelly
quit the Ku Klux Klan,

he gave me his robe and hood.

Okay, this is the robe
of the Klan leader,

the same one that you
saw him wearing in the video.

And of course the hood,

the hood and the mask.

We are living
in Space Age times,

but there are too many of us

still thinking
with Stone Age minds.

The way to solve this
is you people.

Let's talk to each other.

Let's get the job done.
Thank you all very much.

I enjoy sharing my story,

especially when other people
find it inspiring

and influential
on their own lives,

because then they, in turn,

go and share
that story with others.

In this bag,

I have three of the robes
of my collection.

This first robe
belonged to a Grand Dragon.

Grand Dragon is a state leader,
top man in the state.

And "Grand" is signified
by the green.

This fellow wore a dragon patch.

Under his green cape
is another dragon patch.

This Grand Dragon
preferred the satin.

This is the robe
of an Imperial Wizard,

the top guy.

This is a white cotton robe

with blue adornments,
blue stripes, blue sash,

and blue cape.

And of course you see
the Klan emblem, the MIOAK.

The red blood drop in the center

signifies that they
will shed their blood

to preserve the white race.

And if you look
along the white cross,

look at that--
that black line right there

and then these
two diagonal lines.

They form a "K."

So you see four Ks, essentially,

and that stands for
"Knights of the Ku Klux Klan."

Who makes such a thing?

Sometimes the Klan members'
wives make 'em.

There was a Mennonite woman
couple hours from here

who was making them
for the Klan.

They have a robe-making division

up in, uh, Shelton, Connecticut.

This is the hood--
It's often called a helmet.

Members who want anonymity,

they don't want you
to know who they are,

they wear this mask

and peep at you
through these eyelets.

How many robes like this
do you think you have?

I don't know.

Uh, it's hard to say.

I got a bunch of them. Um...

couple dozen or more, you know?

And they each represent

a different person...

Yes.

who is no longer in the Klan?

That is correct.
People always say to me,

"Daryl, how can you
have this stuff?

You know, why don't
you burn it?" Well, no.

As shameful as it is,

this is a part
of American history.

You don't burn
our history, regardless,

the good, the bad, the ugly.

And the Ku Klux Klan

is as American as baseball,

apple pie, and Chevrolet.

The Klan was
formed Christmas Eve, 1865,

at the end of the Civil War
by six Confederate generals.

And it was more or less
a social club

where people had the same
ideologies, same beliefs.

They'd dress up in these sheets,
pillowcases, or whatever,

cover their faces,

and they became
the para-law enforcement,

if you will.

A lot of the freed black slaves
at the time were superstitious,

and they would come on horseback

with their horses
draped in sheets as well

and tell these black people
that they were

the ghosts of, uh,
dead Confederate soldiers,

and this would of course,
you know, scare them

and keep them in line.

"These people are free,
but we can still control them."

Where we headed today, Daryl?

Oh, we're headed up to a town

in Washington County, Maryland,

to visit a former Great Titan,

which means a county leader.

He still has
some of those views,

but slowly, but surely,
they are diminishing

as his, uh, group of friends
begins to widen in diversity.

Hey, Gary.
How you doing, man?

How you doing?
Good to see you.

Here's my Great Titan robe here.

Had the black sash, stripes,

and the--the belt.

Want me to put it on?

Yeah.

I don't think it'll fit anymore.

You mean ideologically-wise,

or, uh, or physical?
It won't.

Little buffed up now, you know.

But it still fits ideological.

Yeah. Yeah, I--

Who's this to your right?

Uh, he's a friend
of mine, Daryl Davis.

He was taking a Grand
Dragon of the Klan

to, uh, do an interview
in-- at Howard University,

and I was one of the bodyguards.

And Daryl drove us down.
He was our butler.

Or--Or, uh...

not butler, but, uh, chauffer.

He was our chauffer
on the way down.

What prompted me to join was I--

I grew up in a neighborhood

where, you know,
it was mostly dominated by blacks,

and, you know,
we were kind of the minority,

and, you know,
if you got in a fight

with one of 'em,
then you had to fight 'em all.

You were kind of by yourself.

So did you get into a lot
of fights with black people?

Fighting a gang-- Yeah.
Yeah, I got in a lot of fights.

What was your title then?

think I was a Great Titan.

What does that mean?

Uh, he can explain more
of that than I can.

I don't really...

Gary went from
a rank-and-file member

to Exalted Cyclops.

He rose to the level
of Great Titan,

which means a county leader.

He didn't know what a Great
Titan was supposed to do,

and he was too embarrassed
to ask his higher-ups

what his new duties were,

'cause he hadn't studied
enough Klan-craft.

He called me.

All right, Daryl.

That's me at Stonehenge
in England when I was on tour.

That's my mom and dad.

That's my wife on a trip
to, uh, St. Louis.

Yeah, that was
a birthday party for me

at a gig that I played
in Delaware.

Down in Virginia Beach

playing piano
with the king of rock-'n'-roll.

I was born
in Chicago, Illinois, in 1958.

Well, my father started out

being a, uh,
Secret Service agent,

and then he left
the Secret Service

and joined the Foreign Service.

How unusual was that

for a black man in that
era to have that job?

At the time, it was--
it was rather rare.

This is a photo of my dad and I
at the Acropolis.

I first went overseas
when I was three years old.

It was great to see

all these different things
I had never seen before,

but I didn't reflect upon it
as something that was special,

because I figured
all kids did this.

I didn't know any better.

I lived in Guinea

from, uh, age 10 through age 12.

I learned to get along
with anybody and everybody,

regardless
of what they look like,

how they worshipped,
what they believed.

Uh, that was my experience
as a young child.

My school might as well
have been the United Nations,

'cause every embassy, uh, people
who had kids in that country

at that time, we all went
to the same school together.

That's how I grew up.

This is
my fourth-grade class photo.

from Payson Park
Elementary School

in Belmont, Massachusetts.

As you can see,

I am the only black kid
in the class.

In fact, I was one of two
black kids in the entire school.

Most of my friends
were fourth- and fifth-graders.

Consequently,
they all were white.

And a lot of my guy friends
were members

of the, uh, Cub Scouts.

I'd only been in town
a couple months in 1968,

and they invited me
to join the Cub Scouts.

So, you know,
it sounded like fun.

You know, get to tie some knots,
go camping,

and I--I joined the Cub Scouts.

On Scout Day, we had a march.

I was the only black Scout
in that parade,

and my den mother,

uh, let me carry
the American flag.

So as I'm marching down
this parade route

with my fellow Scouts,

you know, the--the sidewalks
are lined with people

waving flags and cheering
and carrying on.

And somewhere
down the parade route,

I began getting hit
with, uh, bottles and rocks,

soda-pop cans,
and me, being naive,

having never experienced
anything like this,

my first inclination was, "Oh,

"that group of people over there
on the sidewalk

doesn't like the Scouts."

Of course, you know,
they were white people.

It did not occur to me
until my den mother,

my troop leader, my pack leader,
and my Cubmaster,

you know,
all came back in the line

and huddled over me
with their bodies to shield me

and protect me and escort me
out of the danger,

that I was the only target
of--of these projectiles.

So naturally I said, "Well,
well, why are they hitting me?"

And, uh, all they would say is,
"Shh. Move along, Daryl. Hurry.

Move along. Move along.
It'll be okay."

They never answered my question.

And so when I got home,

my mother and father,
who were not at the march,

uh, were fixing me up
and asking me,

"How did you fall down
and get all scraped up?"

I told them I didn't fall down.
I told them what happened.

And for the first time
in my life,

my mom and dad sat me down

and explained
why I was being hit.

I did not believe them.

My mom and dad were lying to me,

and my mom and dad
had never lied to me.

But they said
something to the effect

of there are people
who simply do not like you

for no other reason
than the color of your skin.

Having been
all over the world by age 10,

I saw all kinds of colors
of people.

My classes were filled
with people from Nigeria, Japan,

Russia, England,
France, Germany,

you know, China.

So they were all hues,
all colors,

and we all got along.

And so now you're gonna tell me

somebody doesn't like
somebody else's skin color,

and they're gonna
throw things at you?

It was incomprehensible to me.

In 1983, I was three years
graduated from--from college

with my degree in music,

and country music had made
a resurgence in this country.

A lot of clubs that were playing
Top-40 and whatever else

had switched over to country.

There'd been this movie
called "Urban Cowboy,"

and they had
this mechanical bull,

and everybody was doing
these line dances and stuff,

so a lot of the bars, you know,

were now turning
into country bars.

And if you wanted
to play music full time,

you know,
you had to go with the flow.

And so I joined a country band.

Well, we played a truck stop

up in a place
called Frederick, Maryland,

called The Silver Dollar Lounge.

So here I was with this band,

only black person in the whole--
in the band or in the lounge.

We finished the first set,

and on the break,
I came down off the bandstand.

I'm walking
across the dance floor,

and this white gentleman
in his 40s

walks up behind me and puts
his arm around my shoulder,

and he says, "I really like
your all's music."

I said, "Thank you.
I appreciate that,"

shook his hand.

And he says, "You know,
this is the first time

I ever heard a black man play
piano like Jerry Lee Lewis."

I just said,
"Well, where do you think

"Jerry Lee Lewis
learned how to play?

Some black blues and
boogie-woogie piano players."

"Ah, no, no, no.
Jerry Lee invented that."

I said, "No, he didn't."
We argued back and forth,

but he wanted to buy me a drink.

Now, I don't drink, but I agreed
to go back to his table.

So I go back there.

He had a buddy
sitting there at the table.

He pulls a chair
around the other side,

sits next to his buddy,
and I sit opposite both of them.

And then he says, "You know,
this is the first time

I ever sat down,
had a drink with a black man."

I asked him why,
and he didn't answer me.

He stared down
at the, uh, tabletop.

His buddy said,
"Tell him. Tell him. Tell him,"

elbowing him in the ribs.

I said, "Tell me. I mean,
what's this big secret?"

He looks at me just
as plain as day, and he says,

"I'm a member
of the Ku Klux Klan."

He gave me his phone number

and wanted me to call him

anytime I was to come back
to this bar with this band,

'cause he wanted to bring
his--his friends.

You know, his friends.

He come with these Klansmen
and other Klanswomen,

and, um, they'd gather around
and watch me play piano

and then get on the dance floor
and dance.

Not in their robes and hoods.

You know, they came
in regular clothes, right?

One more time, Daryl.

Why do you prefer

to meet Klan members
face to face?

They can't know the real me

through e-mail
or through Facebook.

Just sitting
across from somebody,

meeting somebody,
getting that sense of them,

that's the key right there.

If you have an adversary,

someone with
an opposing point of view,

regardless of how extreme
it may be--

and believe me,
I've heard things

that have cut me to the bone--

but give that person a platform.

Allow them to air their views,

and when you
do things like that,

there is an excellent chance
that people will reciprocate.

Jeff Schoep currently heads
the National Socialist Movement.

The National Socialist Movement

is the largest neo-Nazi group
in the United States.

40-year-old Jeff Schoep,
who goes by the title Commander,

leads about 55 chapters
of the NSM.

Jeff Schoep,
National Socialist Movement.

Daryl Davis.
Nice to meet you.

My pleasure. I've heard
a lot about you for years.

National Socialist Movement
travels all over the country

on behalf of white citizens,

on behalf of white rights.

You know, if people ask me,
"Are you a white supremacist?"

No, I'm not a white supremacist.

White separatist,
white nationalist, yeah, sure.

Basically when you have white
people that are standing up

in society today,
that are talking

about white pride
or white issues,

they're often called racists
or bigots or hatemongers.

If you watch any of my
speeches or things like that,

I'm not out there
saying "nigger," "kike,"

or cuss words or things
of that nature.

Most of our leadership
doesn't either.

You know, white people
should be able

to stand up for white issues
just as the other races have

without it being called hate.

Would you compare yourself
to Martin Luther King?

In some ways.

In some ways.
Which way?

He was, uh, campaigning
for his causes

in a peaceful manner,
and that's what we're doing.

A black gentlemen
came up, and he says,

"It's just black rage.
It's just black rage.

"That's why I say
he's doing that.

"It's just young black kids
taking it out on whitey,

'cause it's black rage."

Well, guess what, black man.

There's white rage, too.

The American
melting pot experiment

is something that we
believe hasn't worked.

History has proven that
we can't all get along.

I'm from Detroit,
so my experience

living amongst many black people

is that a lot of 'em
feel that, uh,

white people have oppressed
them and held them down--

Is there any truth
to that at all?

I don't feel there is.
Really?

I don't feel there is.

When they were brought over here

against their will,
forced to work for nothing?

Their women were raped
by the slave masters.

Their children were sold
on the courthouse steps.

As far as slavery is concerned,

it was a travesty,
a human travesty,

and it was something that
should have never happened

and should have
never taken place,

and it was very unfortunate,

even though it's been
hundreds of years,

and some of the animosity,

I think, is still there.

Even go back 50 years,

we still had Jim Crow laws.

This was, you know,
a hundred years after slavery,

and we--we still
see it lingering today.

I'm not justifying hatred,

but I'm just giving you
a reason why

there is some animosity there.

And that's what I'm saying.

It's better if we separate

amongst the racial groups

so we don't have
these--these sorts of things.

Do you predict that there
will be a race war,

or do you think
it will be averted?

To speak a little more frankly

and a little bit more radically,

we wouldn't like
to see a race war,

but if it comes, you know,
we intend to finish it.

What we'd like to see
is a white nation-state.

We would like to see
our country liberated

from the Zionists,
first and foremost,

and then handle the
racial issues from there.

So you consider Jews to be a
race as opposed to a religion.

Absolutely, and we
feel that they're--

they're basically
an enemy of the state.

Are you a big proponent

of the ideology
of, uh, Adolf Hitler?

We are inspired by the political
ideology of Adolf Hitler,

but I don't like to get
into the Holocaust or,

as we'd say,
the so-called Holocaust, you know.

Do you believe that--that it did
happen, didn't happen,

or did not happen to the degree
that we're taught it happened?

I-It did not happen
to the degree

that we're taught it--
taught it happened.

Could I join the NSM?

There are white people
in the NAACP.

The membership is--is
just open to white people.

So it's racist.

I wouldn't say it's racist.

Well, what is it? Heh.

It's--It's geared
towards white people.

You men and women
that are here today,

if we are going to take back
this nation,

we have to stand
in solidarity. White power.

White power!
White power!

What kind of music
do you like, uh, Jeff?

All kinds of music.
Yeah?

Rock, hard-core,
Oi!, R.A.C.,

Rock Against Communism.

And do you realize that rock
was invented by black musicians?

Oh, we're not gonna
go there, are we?

Oh, yes, we are.
Oh, yes, we are.

Yes, my brother,
we're going there.

Well, who--
who invented rock, then?

Elvis Presley.

You're not being serious, right?

Why not?

I--I know a man

as intelligent as you are--

and trust me, I am one of the
biggest Elvis fans you'll ever meet,

but Elvis Presley himself told--

would say he did not
invent rock-'n'-roll.

He attributed it to people like
Chuck Berry and Fats Domino

and the blues.

You're a musician,
so you probably, uh,

know some more things
about music than I do,

as far as going back
and all that,

but I think it's irrelevant.

You know, whoever
created the music,

if music is good, music is good.

It doesn't matter
who created it, does it?

Well, it matters that credit
is given where credit is due,

'cause, you know,
you're trying to give credit

to the, uh,
white forefathers of this country.

What difference does it make?
I'm here now.

Ben Franklin's not sitting here.
No.

Abraham Lincoln's
not sitting here.

I don't give a shit about
Abraham Lincoln or Ben Franklin.

I'm just saying
like you're saying.

What difference does it make?

I know black people
invented peanut butter,

and I like that.

What was his name?

I...

Come on, come on...
Was it--

Carver.

First name?

George Washington Carver.

My man. My man.

Country music and the blues,

they're kissing cousins.

They share the same chords,

often the same
chord progressions,

but society has categorized them

as one being predominantly white

and the other being
predominantly black.

I consider Hank Williams Sr.
to have been a blues singer,

'cause he--he wrote songs
and sang songs from the soul.

The only thing
that differentiated him

was the color of his skin
and the twang in his voice.

But Hank Williams Sr. said
he learned to play guitar

from a black street
blues guitar player

here on the streets
of Montgomery, Alabama,

a fella named
Rufus "Tee-Tot" Payne

If you listen to Hank's songs,
"Your Cheatin' Heart,"

"You Win Again,"
"Hey, Hey Good-Lookin',"

those are basically blues.

And you take Hank Williams
as the father of country music,

and you take the boogie-woogie
of Pinetop Perkins,

the jump blues of Louis Jordan
and T-Bone Walker,

Chuck Berry took all of that,
assimilated it,

and created rock-'n'-roll.

My name is Mark Potok.

I'm a senior fellow at the
Southern Poverty Law Center,

uh, in whose offices we
are now in Montgomery, Alabama.

The Center
was formed, uh, in 1971,

and essentially
the idea of the Center

was that it would
continue the work,

uh, of the civil rights
movement,

which, in a kind
of formal sense,

ended with the assassination
of Martin Luther King in '68.

The Center really is best known
for its suits against Klan groups

and other related hate groups.

I am trying to get into the
minds of people like that

by actually not
putting them, you know,

on the spot
following the research,

but in social situations.

Like I am
a professional musician.

I would invite them to my
gigs to see my band play,

try to sit down,
have dinner with people.

And, uh, through that process,

some of them have-- have
rethought their ideology.

Of course, there'll be those
who will go to their graves

being hateful and being violent

and who will never leave,

you know, that-- that ideology.

But I come from more of a
thing of trying to understand

and trying to set an example

and trying to explain things

and see if they can't
take a stand themselves

to redirect their thinking

and perhaps rehabilitate,
you know, their own ideology.

Our intention is, if possible,

to destroy these groups.

Uh, if that's not possible,

to marginalize them politically.

We've helped a lot of
people out of groups,

but we don't go in
and have coffee,

uh, with the Klan leader
at all. I mean,

my experience has been
that, by and large,

people come out of these
groups when they're ready to.

Frank Ancona is the President

and Imperial Wizard
of the True Invisible Empire

Traditionalist American Knights
of the KKK.

The Klan being
a Christian organization,

our belief is that
for America to survive,

it needs to be
under white Christian rule.

We're on our way right now

to see Frank Ancona,
who is the Imperial Wizard

of the Traditionalist American
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan,

which is currently the largest

Ku Klux Klan organization
in our country.

Hey, Frank.
How you doing, man?

Doing great.
Good to see you.

How are you?
All right, great.

Have a seat.
All right.

I've known Frank for a
little over three years now.

I consider Frank
to be my friend.

I consider Daryl
to be my friend as well.

We met through, uh, someone

who was wanting
to do an interview.

So I think we talked
for a few months

even before the interview.

Yeah, we did.
Had a lot

of good conversations
with each other.

Felt like, hey,
this is somebody I can relate to.

I had joined because of the
heritage, the history.

I like the fraternal brotherhood
aspect of it, you know,

the mysteriousness of the Klan.

We're called the Traditionalist
American Knights,

because we are an
American organization.

We want--We believe in
traditional American values.

You made a statement to me.

"The crow and the eagle
don't fly together,

but yet they're
both birds."

How far does
the T.A.K. go?

Where is the separation?

You know, we--we can
go to school together.

We can work jobs together.

Uh, we can play
together in the park.

As far as reproducing,
we believe--

Miscegenation.
Right.

We don't believe in the
mixing of-- of the races.

There's a, you know,
story about the Tower of Babel,

where God kind of...
Spread out.

spread 'em out all each
with their own tribe,

culture, race, so, I mean,

we believe there's a
biblical principle to it.

I raise my children as
far as Christian beliefs.

I don't push
Klan doctrine on 'em.

You know, I don't--
That's their decision.

You know, if they ask me a
question about it, I'll answer it.

I got a daughter
that's 12 years old.

She's got no interest in it.

She's into, uh, playing her XBox

and going shopping at the mall.

Now explain why some Klan groups

will accept neo-Nazis
into their group,

uh, and some Klan groups
you know, reject neo-Nazis.

Really, we don't believe
in the same thing.

I mean, the Nazis basically
want a white homeland.

That's not the mission
of the Klan.

Nazism, socialism,
that's anti-American.

We're supposed to support the U.S.
Constitution.

We believe in the free
exercise of our--our rights.

Daryl had been interviewed by
different media personalities.

He actually came to the defense

of Traditionalist American
Knights on-- on a couple things,

so I wanted to present this,
uh, certificate of friendship

to, uh, Daryl.

Thank you very much.
It says,

"Traditionalist American
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan

"Certificate of Friendship,

"presented to Daryl Davis
in recognition

"for his friendship
and contributions

"to the Traditionalist
American Knights

and demonstrating
true friendship."

While I don't necessarily agree

with his, uh,
separatist ideology,

uh, I consider Frank Ancona
to be a friend of mine.

Actually, I consider him to
be a very good friend of mine.

Um, I've been into his home.

I've met his wife
a-and daughter,

and, uh, we've had
great conversations

for several years now.

Whatever the man may
say at the dinner table,

however nicely he treats
his kids and his dog,

the fact is he is pouring, uh,
hatred out there into the public square

which goes way beyond,
uh, Frank Ancona.

I don't know if my...

my point's, uh, pointing.

Don't want to be limp.

Ah.
All right.

The--The hood is supposed to
symbolize the head of a dove,

and then the--the cape
symbolizes the wings.

I mean, yeah, look, I think you're
working on a retail strategy.

We're working
a wholesale strategy.

Uh, you know, we--
we can't wait around.

Yeah, I understand--
Maybe Frank Ancona

will find redemption,
and good for him.

I'm not motivated by personal
hatred of Frank Ancona.

There's a larger poison
at work here,

uh, than just the question of is
Frank Ancona personally a bad man.

This is the charter of the
United Klans of America,

which was one of the most
dangerous Klan groups,

the most violent Klan groups
during the civil rights movement,

between 1954 and 1968.

Uh, this charter was surrendered
to the Southern Poverty Law Center,

uh, at the conclusion of our
civil case against the U.K.A.

Well, one day, I'm going to
bring, uh, Frank Ancona

and his family to--
to Washington, D.C.

Bring your daughter
and your wife,

and just, oh, hang out
and see the sights

and have dinner
with me and my wife and...

Sounds like a good--good plan.

Absolutely.
We're gonna do that.

Good time.

This went to become known
as the million-dollar quartet.

Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins,
Johnny Cash, and Elvis Presley.

I've had the pleasure of meeting
all four of these gentlemen.

We're here in, uh, Sun Studios
in Memphis, Tennessee,

where a lot of famous people
were put on the map

right here in this studio.

Elvis Presley recorded here,

Roy Orbison, Billy Lee Riley,

Charlie Feathers,
great musicians of all genres.

One of my favorites,
who taught me how to play piano,

Pinetop Perkins.

B.B. King, Rufus Thomas,

Chester Burnett,
otherwise known as Howlin' Wolf.

During the daytime,
they have tours here.

But in the evenings,
musicians come in

and actually record here,

so they can say they recorded
in the same space

as some of these great legends.

Ready?

Even though I got
my degree in music,

my parents still were very leery

of my ability to make a living,

and because they
didn't have that confidence,

I did not invite them
to my shows.

I was out playing with
the Coasters, Chuck Berry,

and different people,
and they had no clue.

One day, I was
playing this big concert,

and I happened to look out
in the audience,

and there were my mom and dad.

Even though their confidence
in me was building,

even on my mom's deathbed,
my mom pulled me down to her

and said, "Daryl,
if it doesn't work out,

you can always
do something else."

Thank you.
Thank you very much.

All right.

Uh, we're standing
in front of the Lorraine Motel

in Memphis, Tennessee,

the site of the assassination
of Martin Luther King, Jr.

These cars were
actually as they were,

you know,
when Dr. King was here.

We've kept the room
exactly as it was,

both rooms, actually,

exactly as it was, uh,
on April 4, 1968.

You know, I was 10 years old

when the assassination
took place,

and I was watching "Bewitched."

All of a sudden,

in the middle of this program

that I'm entranced in watching,

beep, beep, beep,
beep, beep, beep.

And the words
"special bulletin" appears.

And this guy comes on
saying, you know, um,

"We are interrupting
this program

to bring you
this special announcement."

Good evening.

Dr. Martin Luther King,

the apostle of nonviolence
and the civil rights movement

has been shot to death
in Memphis, Tennessee.

Initially,
I could not understand.

Why couldn't it wait
until the 6:00 news

like everything else?

Maybe my father
would know who he is.

And I told him about this guy
who came on TV

and said that somebody named Martin
Luther King had just been assassinated.

And my father's head
fell into his hands.

And I'd seen my mom cry.

I had never seen my father cry,

but he cried then.

And I didn't get it.
I didn't understand it.

And then my father
explained to me

who Martin Luther King was

and that my father had marched
with Martin Luther King

and all the great things
that he had done.

And so almost instantly,
this guy became a hero to me,

and I learned very quickly,
you know, who he was,

his significance,
and his importance,

not just in my life,
but in a lot of people's lives

and--and what he was
trying to accomplish

in bringing our society together

because of the people
like the ones

who threw rocks
and things at me.

These same kinds of people
threw bombs inside his house

and his churches
where he would preach.

Oh, you know,
it's really important

that it not just be
considered history.

This is not a history museum,

although we have history
chronicled in it. Right.

It is a museum that talks
about what was going on

during a period that was one of the
most significant in American history

and that it parallels
what's going on today.

We're still fighting to vote.

We're celebrating
50 years of Selma

and passing
of the Voting Rights Act,

and we still have folks
that cannot vote.

That's why when we talk
about the civil rights movement,

we don't talk about it
in the past.

So what's gonna happen when
Obama gets out of office?

Are we only gonna study Obama

in the month of February
'cause he's black,

put him in the February box?

The National Civil Rights Museum

is 365/24/7 black history

in the context
of it being American history.

This country is-- is what it is,

and it's been through
a lot of growth...

But it can change, yes.

yes.
It's come a long ways,

but it still has
a long ways to go.

And awful long way,
as news will tell you.

Get back!
Get back! Get back!

Get back!

You always gotta prove yourself

that you a bad motherfucker.

Say something to me.
Say something to me.

That's what I thought.

What aspects of his
dream would you say

have, uh, become reality?

And which ones still
need to--to be, um...

Oh, wow. That's--

You know,
that's a huge question.

How long is this document...

It's a living documentary.

Right. It's got to be.

It must be--
It's gonna be like "Roots."

You can kill the dreamer,

but you can't kill the dream...
Right.

and that is-- that's so true

if you understand
what that dream was about.

I'm standing here on the tomb

of a murderer and a coward
and a terrible general.

He was also a slave trader

who went on to murder his slaves
instead of freeing them

like all other
Confederate generals did

at the end of the Civil War.

His name was
Nathan Bedford Forrest,

who went on to become the first
Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

Now is--is there a place

for Nathan Bedford Forrest
besides Hell?

Uh, yes, there is, you know,

perhaps in a museum
or in the history books.

But I don't think
he should be somewhere,

you know, where--
where you honor somebody.

I wouldn't have a problem

leaving the name
as Confederate Park

and having all
the Confederate stuff

placed right here,

you know, rather than
scattered all over town.

It's sort of like,
you know, going to see

an internment camp
in Germany or something.

The Director of the Ku Klux Klan

is hoping the remains
of a Confederate general

will be relocated
from Memphis to Arkansas.

General Nathan Bedford Forrest

is believed to have
started the KKK.

Now, in recent weeks,
a statue that sits

atop the remains
of Forrest and his wife

had "Black Lives Matter"
spray-painted on it.

The Memphis city council
has voted

to remove the remains
and statue,

but KKK Director Tom Robb
is concerned

they could still be damaged
if they stay in Tennessee.

We feel this would be a proper
place in a Christian setting.

Robb says the relocated remains
could potentially end up

just a few yards
in front of the main office,

but he says
relocating those remains

outside of the city,
let alone the state,

could be a long shot.

But then miracles do happen.

Thomas Robb
has the oldest Klan group

in the country currently.

He believes in--
in white supremacy.

He also believes
in white separatism.

He knows the history
of the Klan,

which is why he's gotten
his image away from them,

but yet he still maintains
the name Ku Klux Klan,

because it
draws attention to him.

I'll defend my race,
my faith, and my homeland,

come what may.

White people did
dominate this country,

control this country,
created this country.

We're the architects
of the country.

They want to preserve,

uh, their neighborhoods,
their ethnic identity,

all those things that-- that they
can identify with as a people.

Now, I guess in your opinion,

you would call it being defiled

if you were to have
black blood in you

or if your daughter or
one of your family members

were to have some
black blood in them.

I would consider it probably
a further erosion

of white people to the ultimate
conclusion of white genocide.

You know Daryl's wife is white?

I-I'm aware of that.
How do you feel about that?

I certainly find it
re-reprehensible, uh, but--

What is reprehensible about it?

Pardon?
What is reprehensible about it?

She loves me.
I love her.

Whatever. You know,
I'm not gonna try to argue,

even discuss it, argue with--

The point is, you know,
you're a black man.

You see the world from a
different worldview than I do.

Well, apparently she and
I see the same worldview.

Well, just telling you
the way I see it.

I've heard you use
the term genocide,

but I understand you don't
believe the Holocaust happened.

Are you talking the holocaust
of the Russian people?

I just read that--

I mean, 63 million,
uh, Russian Christians,

Ukrainians were killed and
murdered by the Soviets in 192--

Are you talking
about that holocaust?

I read that you awakened to
the myth of the Holocaust

at, like, around age 13.
It was in one of your--

Oh. Well, yeah, I don't
think the Holocaust happened.

What would you
say to people like me

who will say to you

that, yes,
white people came here,

they took over this land
from the Native Americans

they built this country on
the backs of my ancestors,

on the backs of black slaves,

so now where's my place
in this country?

Well, first off,
I would like to hear

some appre--
words of appreciation.

Think of the, uh,
thousands of farm boys

who died in some battlefield
in the Civil War

and spilt their blood,
that eventually

purchased the freedom
of the African slave,

and I never heard
anybody say, "Thank you."

I'd like to hear that
to begin with,

and then I would like
to hear some appreciation

for the millions of dollars
that is spent every year

on public housing,
for, uh, healthcare,

and for all
the other things that--

that the black community
benefits from.

What you've benefitted from
here in this country

is much better than
what you'd be receiving

if you lived in, uh,
Kenya or Rwanda.

You came here voluntarily, okay?

I--I came here by force.

I can't help it if our--

my ancestors who stand
on the shoreline of England

envisioned ships and
went back into the woods

and cut down timber
and made ships and sails

and conquered a new land.

I can't help it
that my ancestors

could visualize and see
new lands beyond the horizon.

The moment, the very, very,
very split second you become proud,

you become a conqueror again!

The only man today that has a
national holiday in this country

wasn't even American.

He was a rapist,
and he was a murderer,

and he didn't discover anything,

'cause how do you get here
and claim you discovered it

when people were already here?

Well, let me tell you something.

If you're going to disparage

the history of Columbus--
Yes, I am.

Okay, then I'm not interested in
doing an interview any further.

Well, tell me why.

I don't need to know why.

I hear enough
anti-White rhetoric.

I am not anti-White,
but I'm pointing out--

Sure you are.
No, I'm not.

Yes, you are--
How do you figure--

How do you figure that
I'm anti-White, Tom?

Would you consider him
anti-White, Rachel?

Sitting here next to me

is Rachel Robb Pendergraft,

the daughter of Pastor Tom Robb.

Rachel is the highest
ranking woman

in what you would call
the Ku Klux Klan

out of all the factions.

Even though I have
the position I do,

I consider myself
a stay-at-home mom.

I home-schooled three children.

I have six grandchildren.

This is a situation,
white genocide,

that men and women both
need to work on together

and help, uh, protect our
children, our families.

Hi. My name is Andrew.

And my name is Alex.

This show is for all the
white kids out there.

Is everybody having
a good Christmas?

I am.

Have you seen the new
Disney princess movie?

No.
It's called--

It's called "The
Princess and the Frog."

The princess is a black,
so that is good

for all the black kids
out there,

but the prince is white.

It is all about how
race mixing is good.

But race mixing is wrong.

As all the people mix all up,

there won't be
any more white kids.

So don't race mix.

Be white and proud,
and tune in next week.

Like Pastor Robb said,

it's not all doom and gloom.

We do have a powerful
message for our people.

I have so much love in my
heart for-- for my family,

and I want other people to have love
in their hearts for their family also.

My family, I love more,
is--is my white family.

I mean, who really cares
about race mixing

if we're not God's divinely
appointed "authority" on Earth?

I mean, who would really care?

It's bringing
like-minded people together,

and so one of the ways that
we do that is with billboards.

I have no problems with your
billboard, WhitePrideRadio,

and I've said that on
national media before.

I'm speaking from
a white perspective here.

I can't have
a community of my own.

I can't have a church to my own.

I can't have a club to my own.

I can't have
a golf course to my own.

I can't have anything that I
can say is mine, my people,

without them saying,
"You got to accept me."

Okay, so what can we all
do together as a nation,

all of us, blacks and whites,

to--to help--

Help save the white race.

Help save the white race.

Absolutely.

Tom Robb will tell you
that he is not my friend.

He'll--He'll make that
very clear to you.

I am Tom Robb's friend,

and I feel that, one day,
he will come around.

There is growing outrage tonight

after an unarmed
African-American teenager

was shot and killed by police

in the St. Louis suburb
of Ferguson, Missouri.

Why can't we fix it
and make a dialogue

instead of that happening?

Why don't they come
and walk with us?

This is they everyday life,

and they mad.

They're mad.

I'm mad.

We should all be mad, man.

We should all be angry

because of what's
going right now.

There is a fundamental
lack of trust

and lack of empathy between
minorities and police in America.

On the way
to this particular set,

I was stopped because the officer
said I looked like someone.

The first time that an officer
pulled a gun out on me,

I was 12 years old.

He told me that I
looked like someone.

So we're talking about
a 30-year gap in my life

in which I continue
to look like someone

that the police officers
are interested in.

We're standing here
in Ferguson, Missouri,

right in front of the Ferguson
city police department.

As we know,
Ferguson was the center

of the media controversy
and violence here

just a few months ago.

A black man by the name
of Michael Brown,

who was unarmed,
ended up being shot

and dying
right there on the street,

and his body was left there
for four hours.

All of this was
not about Michael Brown

or Darren Wilson,
for that matter.

It was about decades
of police abuse.

We've seen
many of these incidents

throughout the country.

3-21, we have shots fired.

We have one suspect down.

I felt safer with the Klan.

When I see a Klansman walking
towards me in a robe and hood,

I know what he stands for.

When I see a police officer
in a uniform

with a badge and gun,

I know what they're
supposed to stand for.

There are certainly many, many honest, decent
police officers throughout our country,

but there is a percentage
who are bad cops.

Good cops need to stop obeying
that code of silence.

It says a lot to how far
we have not come.

Who's that?
A friend of yours?

That was my son.
It was your son?

This afternoon, we met
Tracy Martin at the crime scene.

He says his 17-year-old son,
Trayvon Martin,

was shot to death.

He just walked out the
house to go to the store.

He was going to the store.

Police in South Carolina

are looking for a gunman

following a shooting at a church

in downtown Charleston
Wednesday night.

The shooter walked into
the Emanuel AME Church

and opened fire.

Here is the situation
in Dallas, Texas.

We have had 11 police officers
hit by gunfire

during an otherwise
peaceful protest.

We know that the overwhelming
majority of police officers

do an incredibly hard
and dangerous job

fairly and professionally.

We also know...

that centuries
of racial discrimination,

they didn't simply vanish with
the end of lawful segregation.

As a society, we choose

to underinvest
in decent schools.

We allow poverty to fester

so that entire neighborhoods

offer no prospect
for gainful employment.

We refuse to fund drug treatment

and mental health programs.

And if we can not even
talk about these things,

if we cannot talk
honestly and openly,

not just in the comfort
of our own circles,

but with those
who look different than us

or bring
a different perspective...

then we will never break
this dangerous cycle.

We're here at, uh,
Saint Vincent's Church

in Baltimore, right off of, uh,

Lexington Street
and Front Street,

and we're handing out,
uh, clothes and food

to the homeless
and to the needy.

So we've made
several hundred lunches

and gotten donations of clothes
and different items,

toiletries, toys, et cetera.

Want some lunch?

Here. Have a bag.

Thanks for this.
You're welcome.

It seems like the uprising

really brought everyone
together in Baltimore,

so this is like
an extension of that,

how--how it continues on.

Don't mind if we do.

That's the last one I got there.

Aww. But I'll get some more, though.
Okay.

Michael Wood is
a very honest, uh, individual.

He was not liked
by the Baltimore City Police,

because he didn't play
the good-old-boy network game.

I want police
to actually find ways,

when they see a drug dealer
on the corner,

to figure out
what the root cause is.

He doesn't want
to be on that corner.

Drug dealer's
probably the worst job.

Cops are looking for you.
Robbers looking for you.

Other drug dealers
are looking for you,

so it's the worst job
in the world.

They don't want that job,

so actively find a way
to solve that problem.

So if he can't get a job

because he's got
a felony conviction,

well, we need to find a way--
an employer that will take him.

Or we need to fight and say,
look, we can't put

felony convictions
on applications,

because it's sowing
the seeds of crime.

I think the story says you're,
like, the only black Klansman.

No, that story's wrong.
I'm not in the Klan.

There are no black
people in the Klan.

If there were,
there wouldn't be a Klan.

No, what I do
is I meet with them,

sit 'em down, and talk with them

and interview them
and find out, you know,

what's going on up here.
And as a result,

some of them have
become friends of mine,

good friends of mine,
and some of them

have ended up leaving the Klan,

and now I own
their robes and hoods.

Oh, wow.
Yeah.

What do you do with them?

I have a collection of them.

One day, I'm gonna
open up a museum.

Really?

Well, I think it's interesting

that--and even provocative.

I know a lot of people are mad

that a black man
has the Klan robes.

Yeah. Yeah.
So--

Well, you know what?
It's better that I have 'em

than they have 'em.
Yeah.

The police culture's amuck.

I-It's gone so far
that the idea right now

is that if an officer is afraid,

then he can do
whatever he wants.

He--He can kill at that moment.

As long as he uses that
phrase, "I fear for my life."

Right.
And we have a society

that has determined that we
should fear the black man.

Where does that culture come from
initially in the police department?

It's that us versus them.

You are superior,

because you are
that thin blue line.

The legal system and
the culture are designed

that these people
are never wrong.

In Maryland,
the literal perception

is that the city police,

their purpose is
to control the monkeys

and keep them contained within
the confines of Baltimore.

That is how people in the
suburbs see city residents.

So how do I get a cop that
comes from that environment

to sit down and talk

and to actually see
that person as a human?

The first thing you would do is
invite that person to the table

and--and see what he
or she would say

and say, "Look,
if somebody is willing to talk to you

"and learn something from you,

"don't you think that you have

a responsibility
to reciprocate?"

I've been
in 53 different countries.

I've been exposed to many,
many different cultures,

races, religions,

socioeconomic statuses,
et cetera.

I look at--at the Ku Klux Klan
as simply just another culture.

I didn't look at them the same
way I might have looked at them

had I grown up in this country

and had to fight bigotry,
you know, my whole life.

Yes, I've fought it,
but not as much as somebody

who, say, lived in the middle
of it their whole life.

Robert White got busted

for assault and
attempted murder,

two black men, with a shotgun.

He went on to become
a very good friend of mine.

Will you come to my wedding?

Sure I'll be at your wedding
if you want me there.

Why would--Why would
you go to his wedding

if you don't believe
in the mixing of races?

I will attend his wedding
if he wants me there,

just to-- because it's Daryl.

As a result of our
friendship, he left the Klan.

This is his Klan robe,
his Grand Dragon robe.

His day job was this.

This is his jacket.

Baltimore city police officer.

And I'm glad that I
have this stuff,

because it shows that people
can indeed change.

It also shows what a lot
of people don't believe.

Systemic racism in
America invades hiring.

It invades education.

It invades policing.

It invades residency.
Mm-hmm.

So every lane is important,

and every lane
needs to be fought.

We will fight for Freddie Gray

all night!
All day!

Take back... Baltimore!

Take back...
Baltimore!

Daryl Davis.

Tariq Touré.
My pleasure.

Kwame Rose.
My pleasure. Daryl Davis.

I'm a 21-year-old
college dropout.

Most people know me from April.

During the Baltimore uprising,

I'm the guy that
confronted Geraldo Rivera.

Because you're not here
reporting about the--

the boarded-up homes and the
homeless people under MLK.

You're not reporting
about the poverty levels

up and down North Avenue.

You're here for the black riots.

You hear that?
Geraldo ought to run, y'all?

Since the death
of Trayvon Martin,

there's been, uh,
a trending hashtag on social media,

#BlackLivesMatter.

I mean, that's kind of put

in the spotlight
the fact that police

have been killing unarmed
black people.

April 12, Freddie Gray
was racially profiled

by three white officers.

He got chased down.
He got beat up.

By the time he got to the
Western Police District,

his spine was 90% severed.

He died April 19.

Working-class people,
poor black people,

rich black people,
and all of our allies

took to the streets
for almost a month

and let it be known
that, you know,

this was not gonna be a
trend here in Baltimore.

Look at your neighbor,
and tell 'em, "I got your back."

I got your back.

Where do you feel
Martin Luther King fits in?

For me, personally,
Martin was that charismatic leader

who came from royalty,
who got put into a great position.

People never talk about
the last three years

of Martin Luther King's life,
when he became "radicalized."

Dr. King told
Harry Belafonte, 1968,

"I fear I integrated my
people into a burning house."

We gotta talk about how we
gotta end white supremacy,

how we gotta build independent
black institutions,

and how we all relate to that.

This country is
built off economics,

so if we're not talking
about getting our wealth back

or--or building our wealth,

then we really ain't
talking about anything.

We can go off the rhetoric,
all the history.

It doesn't work for me.
Okay,

so in kind of a roundabout way,

you're more into segregation
than integration?

No, but do we need to separate
our dollars and fund our own stuff

and fund our own institutions

and fund our own
businesses? Absolutely,

because so far, our dollars

just going up
like a mushroom cloud.

I mean, I know you know
a little bit about Daryl.

What's your perspective
on his work?

I would just want to know
what the end goal is,

is for the layman
of Latrobe projects

who is receiving
all the--the ills

of white supremacy
and that hate, right,

and on the day-to-day level?

How do they even
begin to even think

about that conversation
that you're engaging in?

My end goal is
to bring people together.

Okay? Bring--
Bring white supremacists

together with--
with their nemesis

as we learn how
to get along with one another.

This country is--

But why I gotta
get along with them?

Pardon me?
Why I gotta get along with them?

Because they are
our fellow Americans.

We all have to live
in this country together.

Shit.
Okay? We--We do.

Otherwise, we're gonna
end up self-destructing.

So what is this museum?
Who is it for?

It was-- People like you.

Oh, no, I'm good.
Oh.

Oh, yeah.
No, you're not good.

You ever heard of something
called intergenerational trauma?

Intergenerational trauma?
Yes.

No. Explain it to me.

Trauma passed on
from generations

through images, symbols,
different things like that.

So I have a daughter.
She's one years old.

However, whenever
the museum gets built,

let's say she's 15...
Okay.

it's no way in hell
I'm bringing her there

so she can relive that
and see all of that.

No, not at all.
What's the point?

Because in order
to know where you're going,

you have to know
where you came from.

White folks need to go see that.

How many robes
have you collected?

Roughly I'd say maybe 25, 26.

How long you been
doing that for?

Uh, since about 1990.

And you only got 26 robes?

You only got 25 robes?

You asked me about robes.
You didn't say Klan memorabilia.

I got tons of stuff.

So since 1990,

which is longer than
I've been alive,

you been trying to
infiltrate the Klan...

Okay-- but what does
that do for people?

Well, I tell you what.
I tell you what it does, okay?

The state of Maryland
had a large Klan organization.

When the Imperial Wizard,

which means the national leader,

when he turned in
his robe to me,

the Maryland Ku Klux Klan
fell apart.

Today, there is
no more Ku Klux Klan--

I beg to differ.

Let me finish.

Today--Well, you can't,

because I--
I got the facts, okay?

Today there is no more Ku Klux
Klan in the state of Maryland.

Infiltrating the Klan
ain't freeing your people.

I disagree with you.

I--I don't see how.

What about, um, Timothy McVeigh?

I don't ca-- He's in jail.

Oh, he is?
Or wasn't he killed,

something like that?
So what?

Obviously you're
very uneducated about it.

Well, I-- And you
uneducated about the reality

of most of the people
that look like you.

Every day on the hour,
young black men

and women are being snatched...
On the minute.

and kidnapped off the streets.

They're ruining
people's lives, right?

Not rehabilitating them
and sending them

right back in
the same neighborhoods

that are already
screwed up, anyway.

So when you say, "Oh,
well, we need to be worried

about--about somebody
blowing something up," no!

Somebody's getting
locked up right now

that's 16 years old,
that never may see the light of day again

just because
they look like my skin

or Kwame's skin or your
skin, for that matter.

So did--We talking
about the energy

that you putting into
all them years.

That's a whole lot of years
to be doing that,

to be stuck--
It sound like a fetish.

Befriending a white person

who don't have to go
through the same struggles

as you, me, the son in the
barbershop or their father,

that's not an accomplishment.

That's a new friend.

That's somebody you can call.

And this is coming
from a dropout.

You don't tell Steve
Jobs he ain't successful.

He ain't have no college degree.

Bill Gates ain't got
no college degree.

But listen.
But what I got--

You being disrespectful now.

You can be in the streets

building with people, right?

So stop wasting your time

going into people's houses
that don't love you,

a house where they want to
throw you under the basement.

So you believe
that nobody can change?

No, you--I believe you believe
the wrong people can change.

What do you mean the
wrong people can change?

The white supremacists
can't change.

You don't believe
they can change?

No, white supremacists
can't change,

but I can change your mind,
'cause you look like me.

You ain't doing nothing
but collecting something

that's gonna build
your own credibility.

You nothing
but a pimp in a pulpit.

And you're nothing but ignorant.

Hey, I'm Daryl Davis.

Sorry, Daryl.
After that,

I can't shake
your hand right now.

Okay, that's fine.

I just want to be resp--

I'm not trying
to be disrespectful,

but I just want to say
a couple things to you

about the interactions
that I just saw.

First of all, man,
you an old head like me.

I remember the day when
Martin Luther King was shot.

I was six years old,
and on that day,

I realized I was black.
Not my skin color,

but I realized what it
meant to be black.

I realized that I could die because
I got this skin color right here.

That's insane that we
live in this world,

that we live in this country

where your skin color
determines your longevity.

For you to come to
Baltimore and disrespect

some of the people who are on
the front line here in Baltimore

in the way that you did
is reprehensible.

Just like the young man
said to you,

you could have done
a whole lot more work

in the black community
from the '90s to now

to move our people forward

rather than coming in here,
trying to uplift somebody

that you got a hood
off of their head.

They still wear those hoods.

And while you were saying
the KKK doesn't exist,

I looked up the KKK in Maryland,

and there's a Klan group
in Maryland right now

still very active.
You look it up yourself.

So I'm saying you talking--you
calling somebody ignorant.

You might want to check your
own ignorance around this

before you start calling
my young men in Baltimore

who are out here putting
their lives on the line--

Kwame marches hard
with me in Baltimore.

Kwame gets arrested
in Baltimore.

Where were you when the
marches were going on?

You were sitting
with your Klan people

and disrespecting my people.

If you can't respect
black people

and respect my people for
doing the work that they doing,

take your ass, and you
hang out with them.

Freddie Gray is dead.

Tyrone West is dead.

Anthony Anderson is dead.

All that shit you talking
about these Klan--

these KKK hoods,
who gives a shit?

I don't give a shit about
you or your KKK hoods.

Don't come to Baltimore
doing this shit again.

Oh, I-- Don't come back here.

Oh, I can't talk now?

You can talk, but don't
talk that shit to me.

Why don't you sit down and be
quiet and let me talk then?

Get the fuck out of my face.

See how you are?
You show your own ignorance, man.

No, no, don't disrespect
black people, man.

You got some black in you,

but you sound like you
should have a hood on.

You won't let me talk,
and you walk away...

Well, don't call me ignorant.

Then what are you showing?

Don't come here
calling my people that.

I just did.

Don't fuck with my people, man.

You don't talk to the white
supremacists like that.

You don't know what I do.

You don't know what I do.

Let me tell you something.

Walk through where we come from,

and you gonna have some--

Let's walk together.

You wasn't there!

And we not gonna walk now!

All of you, if you didn't know
him, you know him now.

This man hate himself.
For real.

If y'all following this dude,

y'all part of the problem.

Do you feel disconnected
from black Millennials

or from that age group?

I-I've met people
like him before,

uh, and--and have had confrontations
with people like him before, not many.

A Klansman hates a white person

who "sells out," so to speak,

more so than they hate
a black person,

just like the young boy hated me

more than he hated
some white guy,

because he feels--
felt I sold out my own race.

He was very definite

that, uh, white people
could not change.

How is he gonna advance
any agenda in this country,

as diverse as it is?

Well, as you know,

this is the nation's
capital, Washington, D.C.,

and it was designed by a
fella named Benjamin Banneker,

but another fella
named Pierre L'Enfant

got a lot of the credit for it,

and Pierre L'Enfant was
a white guy from France,

and Benjamin Banneker,
of course,

was a black guy from here.

You see where those people
are standing right there

on this first tier,
the black people?

Oh, okay, yeah.

Right there
where they're standing

is where Martin Luther King
gave his speech,

"I Have a Dream."

Take a picture of that.

I'm Scott Shepherd.

I was a sworn racist,

a former member
of the Ku Klux Klan.

Scott Shepherd can relate to
members of the Ku Klux Klan.

I was full of anger,
full of hate.

He was one of them for 21 years.

He even ran for office,

appearing on national talk shows
as a racist.

And I'll be apologizing the rest
of my life, but that's okay.

I was born and raised
in Indianola, Mississippi,

which was a hotbed of racial
turmoil and--and friction.

The issues
of my dad's alcoholism

played a big part in my life.

There were some
incidents of violence

that would instill
PTSD in a soldier,

and that affected me
growing up, you know.

It left me with low self-esteem,

and I projected this hatred
that I had for myself

and this anger out towards
people of color.

At the age of 16,

I entered the Knights
of the Ku Klux Klan

and lived a life as a racist.

They fed me the spiel.

"We can take you in,

"give you a sense
of family and belonging,

protect you."

Because they play on fear.

How'd you feel to get that call?

Important.

And that's the idea, right?

Exactly.
And what was their goal?

White supremacy
by any means necessary,

including murder.

It destroyed my family. My older
sister, she would call me on the phone,

and she asked me
what I thought I was doing.

I wasn't raised this way.

They have the spot marked?
Huh?

Do they have it marked?

Barely. Barely.

Hmm.
Right here.

Wouldn't even
be able to see it...

Exactly.
if you didn't know it.

That's him right there.

There's the Monument.

So he's standing right here.
Let's see.

Here he is.
Here's the back of him.

See the Pool?
Mm-hmm.

That's it, ain't it?

Uh-huh.
Yeah,

I've seen that
many a times on TV.

Hey, would you, uh,
snap a picture of my friend and I?

My changing point was in
Nashville, Tennessee.

I was, uh, at a restaurant,

had a few drinks.

Police pulled me over,
and they got me,

and I failed a sobriety test.

That threw me
into the court system.

I was forced into a rehab
to get out of trouble.

I said, you know,
I'm gonna go to rehab,

take the paperwork to the judge,

have charges dropped,
and go on with my racist life.

Didn't happen that way. I went in that
rehab one person and came out another.

I was forced to take a cold,
hard look in the mirror,

and I saw the problem.

The problem was Scott Shepherd.

When she was on her deathbed,
I was talking to my sister,

and she said, "You ever regret
some of the things you've done?"

I said, "Every day."

And she said,
"Well, you know, you can--

you can use your past
to help people."

I opened up a blog.

Once you hit that publish
button, it's out there.

I was scared to death what
people were gonna say or think,

and I was totally surprised

by the outpouring of love
and--and support that I got.

It gets emotional
that--you know, for me,

because I fell for that crap.

It is very easy to do

when you're
in the mind-frame that I was

at 16, 17 years old.

Do you think any of this,
going in that direction

was your way of showing
rebelliousness?

Very extreme rebellion,
because I was raised by a black lady.

I went without seeing her
for years and years...

'Cause you couldn't face her.

Exactly.
Ironically when--

you know, when I got out of the
movement and stuff, went to her house...

her arms were open.

As they always were.

Right.

I saw Daryl
on Discovery Channel,

and he was making friends
with Klansmen.

And--And I thought
he was a crackpot.

I looked him up
on Facebook or by e-mail,

and we've been friends
ever since.

I didn't mean to put you in
the back of the bus, Daryl.

Yeah, me and Rosa Parks, right.

Looks smaller than
what it does on TV,

doesn't it?
Yeah.

It looks just slightly
bigger than Graceland.

Yeah.

Basically Daryl can probably
accomplish more than I could.

I never thought I'd stand here

in front of this house
with a black man.

Ha ha ha. There you go.

With a black man
inside the house.

Right, with a black man
inside the house.

Yeah. So, you know,

it is possible that--
that change can occur.

So Obama lives upstairs?

I'm not sure where his room is.

Bet them windows are
bulletproof, aren't they?

How are you all
doing this evening?

All right.

When you have
an alcohol or drug problem,

the alcohol and drugs
are not the problem

They're just the symptom.
There's a deeper problem.

And the same way with racism.
You know, that's just a symptom.

I didn't have to address racism.

I just had to address those
issues, you know, within myself.

This city is very, uh,
festive around the holidays.

Of course we have
the National Christmas tree.

I really, really have
a strong kinship with Scott.

He has seen the light,

and he feels
the need to give back.

When I first began
interviewing Klan members,

oftentimes they would
answer the question,

but they wouldn't
turn around and say,

"Well, you know,
what do you think?"

They felt I was inferior,

I had nothing to offer
in terms of my opinion.

Mind over matter.
I don't mind, 'cause you don't matter.

But then, over time,

as the relationship develops,

slowly, but surely,
they began asking me questions.

That was the first clue
that a tide was turning.

Oh, all of a sudden,
my opinion matters?

Let's see where this is going.

All right, my friend.

Somebody violated their oath.

I think one day, Frank Ancona

will leave the Klan,
and I think one day,

I'm gonna be hanging
this robe up in my museum.

Frank, how do you
feel about that?

Would you like to see Daryl's

blue shirt hanging
in your museum?

Actually I wouldn't
mind giving him

one of our Traditionalist
American Knights T-shirts.

I appreciate that.
Thank you.

I don't know where
I would wear it, but...

Right.

The friends that I've made,

I continue to keep.

I never set out
to convert anybody.

I just set out to get
that answer to my question,

how can you hate me
when you don't even know me?

And in my quest
to have that answer,

they couldn't answer it,

and some of them ended up
converting themselves.

Actually changing people's
minds and hearts, that's--

I think that's
a testament to his character,

the power of what he was doing.

Can you get a picture
of Mike and I?

Yeah, that'd be awesome, man.

I do think that white
supremacy is the main problem,

and privilege is
the main problem,

and if we can get past that,

then we can focus
on all the nuances

of how to make it beautiful.

I will say this.
For people coming out of the movement,

role models, I think,
are incredibly important.

I have seen things change.

I have seen people change,

and that inspires me.
I've changed.

Well, I would hope
that by the time I'm gone,

things like this
would not be as prevalent.

But if they are,
perhaps this film

will encourage others
to do the same

and do a better job, you know,
than I've been able to do.

You won.

Say it again.
I didn't hear you.

You won.
That's right.

I said to the American people,

regardless of which side
you were on in the election,

the sun would come up
in the morning,

and that is
one bit of prognosticating

that actually came true.

Not all people who voted
for Donald Trump are racist,

but all racists
voted for Donald Trump.

The Klan has been preaching
much of the same thing

that the President-Elect
ran his campaign upon,

and now they have a leader

who is sharing their sentiment
and emboldening them.

I do believe
he's doing us a favor,

because it is bringing out
all the ugliness

from out under the carpet,

and we all
have seen it firsthand,

and we cannot address it
until we see it.

I feel very hopeful
and optimistic for the future.

You know,
Americans are survivors,

and fortunately
there are enough of us

from all religious backgrounds,
all skin tones,

that feel, you know,
if we come together,

we can survive anything,

and I think, uh, Donald Trump
is gonna show us the way,

whether it's intentional
on his part or not.