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[suspenseful music]

- Four students at the University of Idaho

dead this morning, killed in what the local mayor calls

a crime of passion.

- Mic check, one, two. Mic check.

Can you hear me? Levels coming through?

- The facts of the case that we know right now--

we know that these homicides occurred

in the early-morning hours of Sunday, November 13th.

The four were stabbed with a knife inside the residence

on King Road.

But no weapon has been located at this time.

What we don't know-- the identity and location

of the suspect.

Currently, we have 25-plus investigators working

this case, as well as assistance

from the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

But we are asking citizens to contact us

with any information you may have

that will help in this investigation.

- Citizen sleuths across the USA

are focusing their attention on the brutal slayings

of four college kids.

- Who did it? Who's responsible?

Police have made zero arrests.

- We want justice for these victims.

We want justice for their families.

- Dozens of websites and postings

from armchair detectives are springing up.

- Who called 911?

We're learning that the caller was not

either of the two roommates who live in the house.

- How did the roommates not hear four people

getting brutally murdered?

- There's so much speculating happening right now.

Do I feel like it's harmful? Absolutely.

- What if the murderer is scrolling on their phone

right now watching all of us.

- We know that people want answers.

We want answers, too.

* *

[garbled speech]

- We know that these homicides--

homicide occurred--

[garbled speech]

In the early-morning hours--

- The Idaho College murders...

four students from the University of Idaho

were brutally stabbed to death in their sleep.

Four mysterious murders that have shocked the nation.

Four murders so brutal that blood

seeped through the walls.

What I do is I cover

true-crime stories.

Okay, hold on.

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

I have to, like, word it better.

I guess that is really what I do, yeah.

[spooky music]

I cover stories all across the world.

And I provide spotlight to them,

and I show a different perspective that most people

don't really see on the media.

Do not watch this unless you've seen part one.

You won't know what the heck I'm talking about, so--

My first TikTok video,

it was very artistic.

It had a "Stranger Things" vibe.

The iPhone 60, the last update before technology

was discontinued in 2068.

It went viral.

And I was like, whoa, this is crazy.

I had this urge to tell stories.

And then it started to lead into missing people.

- Gabby Petito never goes outside.

- I first heard about Gabi Petito on TikTok.

And then I saw it was on the news.

Gabby was still missing, and no one knew where she was.

And then Brian went missing.

And then that was a whole situation.

Where was he?

- On the ground and in the air,

the search for Brian Laundrie

led by the FBI resumed at this Florida reserve today.

- What makes me different than most online sleuths

is I like to sleuth at a physical location

where things are happening.

- No media out here.

So we're the only ones out here.

Media might not care.

We're going to get there, and we're going to just

see what the area looks like.

Chronicles of Olivia very nice person.

She had a platform way bigger than mine.

And, you know, she was

very passionate on trying

to find answers herself

and using her platform.

- Oh, God, I just almost stepped on something, yeah.

- It smells right here in this area, badly.

- I don't think there's, like, a competition

amongst content creators to get that stuff.

I think we're all collectively there for the same cause.

- You see something? - Yeah, there's bones.

It may be an animal's.

- You found bones? - It's a spine.

- It's a spine? - Of some sort.

- Oh!

That's the thing about sleuthing when

you are boots on the ground,

when you're in a physical location.

I received a tip last night.

A man said that he found a noose on a tree near where

Brian's remains were.

You get leads, and one lead will lead to another.

And it's a domino effect.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, I just found something.

I just found something.

- We started looking up all the pictures of Gabby Petito,

and lo and behold, it is the same water bottle.

We found Gabby Petito's water bottle.

We found evidence in the case.

Olivia has these spectacular videos, you know?

And then I have these, you know,

little spurts of information.

Oh, we're out here, because I didn't know what the heck

I was doing on TikTok.

I'm just throwing videos out.

A job or their high-school job.

So what had happened--

And the next thing you know, people are just interested.

You know, they were just interested.

And they just wanted so much information.

- Bullhorn Betty, what's amazing about her is she

has this drive.

- We want the truth from you.

- She's a spitfire but in a good way.

- Shame on you!

Shame on you, Laundrie family!

Shame on you!

That's where I got my name, Bullhorn Betty

is because of that.

Before that, I was just Andra.

- She went to school and studied law.

So she knows a lot of legal terminology.

- I say "behooved" and stuff like that, you know?

And "I digress."

I mean, you know?

- I can only do so much by myself.

- Olivia's like, I don't even know how she talks,

but she talks like this.

And she just has a way of talking to those younger kids.

So, yes, it's definitely beneficial.

- It's colder coming back. - Yes.

Because water fills in your shoes.

- Yeah.

- It was just something about her.

And we all just kind of gelled really quickly.

And here we.

We collaborate on many cases.

You really don't see a whole lot of Chronicles of Olivia

without Bullhorn Betty.

And you don't see a whole lot of Bullhorn Betty

without Chronicles of Olivia.

Olivia, Jonathan, and I kind of kicked the front door in

of social media and going out and looking

into these cases and not taking

mainstream media's word for it,

police department's word for it,

us going out there and finding out the truth.

- [laughs]

The information that we found out news stations

cannot legally talk about.

But because it's just me and my friends,

we are unbiased, unfiltered, and we provide raw footage.

I have more freedom,

where I can literally say whatever I want,

versus when you are working for a corporation, legally,

sometimes there's certain things

the reporters can't talk about.

- So you're basing this off of what the reporter told you?

It's not something we can,

from a legal standpoint, pull off.

- But I can talk about it.

And that was the beginning.

It is believed that between 3:00 and 4:00 a.m.

on November 13th, the unspeakable happened.

Four beautiful souls tragically lost their lives.

I decided to search the victims

on their social-media accounts.

And I looked up Kaylee Goncalves.

And I saw that it said "follow back."

[suspenseful music]

My heart just dropped.

It was an eerie feeling to think that she watched

my true-crime videos and my stories

and now her life ended in a crime.

That really solidified for me,

I have to find out what happened to her.

- First my deepest condolences to the families...

And friends of Ethan...

[voice breaking] Xana, Kaylee, and Madison.

- The victims appear to have been close friends.

On the same day they were killed,

Kaylee Goncalves posted this picture, showing

all four students smiling.

"One lucky girl to be surrounded by these people

every day," she wrote.

- This case has kind of rocked the world.

- I have daughters 26 and 30.

26 and 30.

This hit home to me right here.

- They had their whole entire lives ahead of them.

And I just can't imagine how their families feel.

- It was extremely chilling

because there was no obvious motive,

there was no obvious suspect.

Doors, like the doors of this house,

were all of a sudden getting locked at night.

- It seems like everyone that has been here for a while

is just devastated by it.

The last murder here was 2015, so seven years ago.

- It was like we were in a big city,

and we're not a big city.

We're just a bunch of provincial rural residents

that are almost a bubble, and our bubble got popped.

[suspenseful music]

- The crime scene law enforcement walked into

would have been grisly.

- The fact that there's blood outside of the house from what

had happened on the inside of the house

is horrific in itself.

- And one can only imagine the sheer amount of blood

in order for it to drip down an exterior like that.

- Spatter all over the walls, all over the ceiling.

It would have been gruesome, as gruesome

as any scene as anyone's ever seen in a movie.

- Do you think about it?

Do you think about, you know, there's someone

out there, maybe around here that

was capable of doing that? both: Yeah.

- I went to Moscow--

I had never been in the area--

alone with one female producer.

I think a lot of us felt like we were not just covering

a story but also figuring out

how to stay safe when there is such a gruesome killer

on the loose.

- We both came from a super-small town,

and nothing like this has, like, ever happened ever.

And so coming here and it happened

was like a big shock of like, oh, my gosh,

this stuff actually happens, like, it's

not just in the movies or, like, on the news.

Like, this is, like, where we live right now.

- Today downtown volunteers put up flyers

on store windows, asking anyone who has a home camera,

a security camera to look for anything suspicious the night

of the murders.

- If anyone in our community or across our nation

has any information, please call our tip line.

- From previous cases, I know that you ask for help

from public because there might be 10 out of 100 people

out there that have something interesting

or something that might help you.

After that, it's people--anybody that's

sitting in their house that logs up to their computer

day in and day out, they will throw everything

they think out on a tip line.

- How many tips have come in? - Over 1,000.

I don't have the number for today, but well over 1,000.

- Every call that comes in--I know this for a fact--

that every call that comes in is investigated.

[phone rings]

- They have to check on any lead,

because if they don't and one turns out to be valid,

they're in the soup.

But they don't have unlimited resources.

- I just looked up Moscow PD, and I think

they have 37 sworn officers.

So they're a small PD.

A couple detectives, supervisors.

You probably have 20 guys on patrol.

That's about it.

- In a small town like Moscow, Idaho,

they just don't have the resources.

They don't have the numbers to handle a case like this.

- Y'all do know that it's not just

the Moscow Police handling this.

Like, they have outside sources.

They have neighboring state troopers, FBI agents.

Like, it's not just them involved.

- And so we all sat on it.

We all said, well, they'll figure it out.

But once the media got here, it turned into almost a circus.

- There are film crews that are just

setting up every single day outside of the house.

- Showing up and asking us questions that we

didn't have answers to.

- Police revealed they are working with the two surviving

roommates who were home during the attack

but are not considered suspects.

- So the other two roommates were there

at the time of the attack?

- Yes, they were.

- How do the other two roommates not hear anything?

- Who knows? Who knows?

- We were descended upon

by every news agency in the world.

YouTubers and crime tourists putting a lot of pressure

on law enforcement to do something.

- Who among this tight-knit community

could have committed this heinous crime?

- Who did this crime?

[alarm blaring]

- Sorry.

That is a reminder to bathe my kid.

My name is Kathleen Hale, and I write

about crime in social media.

What's different today is that we're able

to not only watch

crime stories unfold in the news or in books

but on social media, which, for the first time,

makes crime stories interactive.

- What would you do?

- Like, I don't know. Tell me what you guys think.

- And I think it's why people are starting

to talk about true crime in terms of morality

and whether it is good or bad.

- At one point, you want to say,

when are we going to respect the privacy?

But on the other hand, we all want to know.

- In the days after the quadruple homicide,

students were quite scared.

And police were very tight-lipped.

- Why has there been such limited information

over the past couple days?

Why has it been so limited?

- That's a difficult--

We have a lot of information coming in.

- Police seem to be keeping

their information really close to the chest

that otherwise

would be important for a community to feel safe.

- What they have said from the start

is this was a targeted attack.

- Targeted attack.

- Targeted attack.

- Law enforcement did say that they

thought this was targeted.

- Targeted. - Targeted.

- Targeted.

- And that indeed the community

didn't have to worry about anything.

- Authorities say there is no imminent threat

to the community at large.

- False. - It is an imminent threat.

- And I just got an email from the police department saying

that this has been an internal miscommunication between

detectives and my office.

To clarify, investigators

do not believe the murders were random,

but we cannot unequivocally state

the residents or any occupants were specifically targeted.

- Everyone jumped on that, because at that point,

I think everyone felt misled.

- It was nerve-racking to hear them say that we are

no longer, like, totally safe.

- As scary as it is, and I know that they're

trying to prevent mass panic, no one is safe right now.

- And we want to reassure the community

that the Moscow Police Department

and everybody working on this will do everything we can.

- I think it caused definite mistrust

in the social-media communities...

- Trust the police and what they're saying and blah-blah.

- In the mainstream media...

- Four people were stabbed to death in their home,

and to not have anyone as a suspect?

- In the public's view.

- And we will do everything we can to solve this.

Thank you.

- And there was this narrative that emerged

that the Moscow Police were inept,

you know, small-town cops in over their head.

- Listen, they could be great cops.

But they just don't have the equipment and the manpower

to handle a big case like this.

- Because there was silence,

because there were not any answers,

sleuthing really went into overdrive.

- I'm taking you to the scene of the crime.

This was in Moscow, Idaho, which is a small town.

- So we're going to talk about this Idaho case

because I have a lot to say.

- I am analyzing each of the victims,

trying to figure out who did this crime.

- Social media caught fire.

- This is Queen Road, okay?

This is King Road.

- And if you zoom right in between that gap

of the apartments, there's a stairway that leads--

- You have the second level.

And then you have the third level.

- And it really started to just take a life of its own.

- The suspect's likely male.

- And apparently there was no bloody trail, footprint.

- Based on reports that all five--

- In the house at the scene. - Random psycho.

- [sighs] What happened?

Everyone be safe. God bless.

- A timeline is now emerging,

showing where all four victims were

in the hours before the attacks.

[keys clacking]

- [sighs] On the night they died,

Kaylee was not meant to be in town.

Kaylee was all packed up and ready to go start

a new life in Austin, Texas.

She had gotten a job. She was graduating.

But she had just used her own money

to buy herself a Range Rover.

She only came home that night to show her new car

to her best friend.

And while she was there, they decided to go out.

They went out to the Corner Club.

They had a great time.

They went to a taco truck.

- Hello. - Hi.

- Welcome back. - Thanks.

- And they took an Uber home.

[suspenseful music]

* *

Ethan and Xana went to a party at Sigma Chi.

They returned home around the same time

as Kaylee and Maddie.

And there's reason to believe that in the minutes leading up

to her murder that she was scrolling through TikTok,

the same platform where all these sleuths

would later pontificate

on what happened to her that night.

- Hey, YouTube, it's me right now.

I am driving to Moscow, Idaho.

I'm here with Bullhorn Betty, my friend.

We-- - Hey-o!

- Do you remember the early days, like, what

sort of information you got? - Yes, I do.

I remember this case.

I review it daily.

But, yes, I remember.

Basically, we had nothing.

All that we had at the beginning

was the four victims' names and the location of this.

- We think it's in the general vicinity.

Let's look down there and see if there's any stairs...

- I have breaking news, everyone.

Chronicles of Olivia and Bullhorn Betty

are outside the crime scene right now.

Those two actually gave me access

to track their movements.

There's reason to believe that whoever

did this crime is still in that area

around that home.

You see them moving.

- Now, if you look down this pathway,

you can see right there is the house.

- I will--I'm constantly in contact with them.

So when they provide me with some updates,

I'll share it with you guys.

So definitely subscribe to my channel,

like, hit the notification button.

Check out my other videos. - There's the house.

The very first time I went to 122 King Road

and I walked up that hill

and I was standing in front of the house,

I was showing people how it looked like during the day

and at nighttime in correlation to the frat house.

And everything is left how it was found.

The lights were still on.

You could see the neon sign that said "good vibes."

It's like the house is stuck in time.

And when I see the house, I keep imagining in my head

that they're still in there.

[suspenseful music]

Kaylee and Maddie, between 10:00 to 1:30 a.m.,

went to the Corner Club.

After, they went to a food truck called Grub Truck.

These 10 minutes of live footage are haunting to watch.

This is the last time the girls were seen before they

went home and met their fate.

- Hey. Have a good night.

- Bye. - Hello.

- Hi. - Welcome back.

Thanks.

I think I would like the carbonara.

- No, she picked you up, bro. No.

- Here you go. - Cool. Thank you.

- Absolutely.

Where'd the pen go, guys?

Where is my pen? How are you guys doing?

- Good. How are you?

- Extra slaw, is that a charge?

No, it's not a charge. It's just a modifier.

- In the video, the girls are clearly there

getting their food.

And there is a man there, who we now know of as JS.

Many people refer to as "hoodie guy.:

- Hoodie guy. - Hoodie guy.

[suspenseful music]

- Now look at this.

Video shows Madison pointing at a man

in a hoodie who appeared to have

followed them to the truck.

- He's kind of standing around, looking at the girls.

Looks like he tries

to interact with them a little bit.

- When the girls leave, the gentleman in the white hoodie

lifts his hand and then walks off.

- There was recently footage released

of what appears to be Kaylee and Madison

hours before their murders.

And then this is Jack Showalter,

aka hoodie guy.

- "They're going to get you girls, Maddie.

I swear to God."

* *

I grew up in New Orleans, Louisiana,

one of the top three--

Shout out... [laughs] Right?

If we're going to shout out for anything,

I guess shout out for that.

Like, at least we're winning at something--

places for murder.

There's so many people that are murdered.

And nothing--it doesn't get solved.

Okay. So the Moscow Police are somehow saying,

hey, guys, everybody needs to travel in groups.

Like, travel in groups, what the [...] does that do?

How many people were in the goddamn house?

I don't fit into any niche.

Am I a beauty influencer?

Am I a lifestyle influencer?

Am I a true-crime influencer?

I really don't know.

I have no idea. I do all of it.

But that's who I am.

I'm a true-crime conspiracy theorist.

Also, I am a weather conspiracy theorist.

And I will fucking track a hurricane

before the goddamn news station actually does so.

If there's a theory, I'm going to share it.

And I'm going to put my own little spicy opinion on it.

I don't really filter anything.

I just kind of say it how I feel.

If it's going to piss you off, scroll on now.

You're always going to find somebody

that likes your content.

For all my people that have been following me forever

and you know what the fuck is up, love you.

When I first found out about the murders,

I kind of went down a social-media rabbit hole.

* *

- We're almost into December.

They don't even have a murder weapon.

- We know that the autopsies determined

that it was likely all four victims who

were asleep during the attack.

Some of the victims had defensive wounds,

and each victim was stabbed multiple times.

- There's speculation that one of the four were targeted.

- Their means of death don't match.

- The father of Kaylee Goncalves,

one of the four University of Idaho students,

has new information.

- Maddie's and Kaylee's cause of death--

it does not match based on the autopsy report.

- [sighs] No. - They don't match.

- Kaylee's father said they were found in the same room

and in the same bed.

- Kaylee Gonzalez's injuries were significantly more brutal

than her best friend, Maddie's.

- The way Kaylee was found and murdered,

she possibly could have been the targeted person.

Steve shared with Fox News how

he asked the coroner, Cathy, how many times were

each of the victims stabbed?

In Kathy's disturbing response, she says,

sir, I don't think stabs is the right word.

It was like tears.

Like, this was a strong weapon, not a stab.

Steve shares the knife slashed open Kaylee's liver and lungs.

- You can find out anything on the Internet.

You can figure out everything.

And if not, I'll call my godfather and figure it out.

[line trilling]

- Hey, what's up?

- My godfather works in intelligence.

I go to him for everything.

When would you see a case with a knife involved usually?

- A lot of times--there's exclusions to every rule.

But a lot of times when we saw knives,

it was heat of passion, like, with domestic type.

- The mayor has called it a crime of passion.

- Is there any indication that that's true?

- A crime of passion makes us think

it has to be somebody close to the victims, not a stranger.

So the speculation starts going.

- A lot of people--

- When I called my godfather,

the very first thing he said was,

sounds like a crazy ex-boyfriend possibly.

[suspenseful music]

- Regarding the boyfriend, how can we be sure

he was properly ruled out?

And I understand why people are going after him.

- Kaylee and Jack had been dating for five years

when she broke things off with him just

three weeks before the murder.

- Is it Jack?

Kaylee called Jack how many times that night?

- Before their final moments, between 2:26 and 2:52 a.m.,

Kaylee called ex-boyfriend Jack seven times.

Her best friend, Maddie, called him three times

between 2:44 and 2:52 a.m.

- Why would you not text them back?

Why would you not call them back?

- There is some footage going around

of what appeared to be Kaylee Goncalves

and Madison Mogen hours before their murder

at the Corner Club.

They appear to be talking to an individual,

and there's been a lot of speculation

about who this individual is.

- Now, I took this photo, put it in Photoshop,

super-darkened it, did a little adjustment,

just because I wanted to compare the hat

to this, JD's profile photo.

- Just because he's in the Corner Club

does not mean he killed the girls.

- I'm not accusing Jack of anything.

And I really-- I'm a girl.

I've been in those situations before

where we've called our exes many, many times,

you know, way back in the day.

- In a fluid situation with an unsolved crime,

people are going to point fingers to them.

Don't take it personally.

People just genuinely care,

and they want to find out who did this.

- There's no accountability for TikTok stars

who have gone, you know, on social media and made

clearly false statements.

- Online there is no vetting mechanism.

- Nobody vets it.

Nobody says, is that true?

- You have to question everything,

or you're not going to get down to the bottom line.

It could have been this person.

It could have been that person. It could have been whoever.

No one is out of the question.

People want to say, why would you question

this person, that person?

Well, the fucking police did, so why can't I?

- I feel like the big question we need to be asking is,

where the fuck are the roommates at?

[suspenseful music]

- So the other two roommates were there

at the time of the attack?

- Yes, there were.

- There were two surviving roommates

in the home that night.

A 911 call was not made until 11:56 a.m.

- So you have other roommates in the house when these four

were murdered, and they didn't call

the police till hours later.

- This is not adding up.

There's something fishy about this case.

- We don't know why that call came in at noon

and not in the middle of the night.

- They may have been passed out.

And I'm not suggesting that they were.

I'm just saying that-- [garbled speech]

May have been that case.

- What if people were on D-R-U-G-S.

- We've all known that

that house was a party house.

- It was known kind of as a party house.

- It was a known party house.

- We're only here for a noise complaint.

Come to the damn door.

Who lives here?

- We're not actually sure.

- Who lives here?

- A lot of times, you know, students

may have been involved in activities

that maybe their parents weren't super excited about.

You know, they don't want to provide us information or tips

because they're afraid that they might get in trouble.

- But not to call law enforcement for eight hours,

I don't care how off your rockers you may be, it just--

it's going to be hard to get away from that.

And then them not releasing the 911 call,

it makes us become conspiracy theorists.

[phone rings]

- Were they the 911 caller?

- I'm not going to divulge who our 911 caller is.

- Was the killer the 911 caller?

- I will tell you no.

- Why haven't they released the 911 call?

At this point, what difference does it make?

- They've cleared the people that

are involved in the 911 call.

But yet they aren't releasing the information.

So it must be valuable.

- The person that was inside the home that called 911 that

was not one of the roommates,

can you conclusively rule that person out

as a suspect at this point?

- I don't think I said that it wasn't one of the roommates.

I said that it was used with the roommate's phone.

- I believe--

- I kept going back to police and begging

them for an explanation because it made no sense to me.

And what I got from them was never

a direct response but more of, that's not the whole story.

- There is a side of the story that we're not being told yet

about that morning.

What happened the morning of November 13th

still remains a mystery.

In this video, I interview a mother who tells shocking info

about that morning.

Kim originally was speaking out on different platforms.

Didn't I message her on Facebook?

Do you remember, Mom?

She was on "DRUNK Turkey Show." Okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[line trilling] It's ringing.

- Hello? Hello? - Hello, Kim.

- This is Daniel from the "DRUNK Turkey Show."

You called a couple times, so I wanted to return your call.

- I did call a couple times. I did call a couple times.

I just really feel it's important that there are so

many other areas in this case that are just not being told,

nor should they have to be.

- Her story was that her daughter had told her

that before the first 911 call was made,

there were some Snapchat groups.

And in those Snapchat groups,

there were conversations of what had happened in detail.

So I thought that I would put her on my platform.

Do you remember details about what

was in the Snapchat group?

I want to kind of dive in more into the Snapchat.

- I do remember details, yeah. - Yeah.

- So the details were the roommates were home.

They were awake, aware, and had locked themselves

in the downstairs bedroom.

And then they called friends to come over.

- Locals are coming out claiming

their kids or friends were at the home

between 8:00 to 10:00 a.m.

This user says that her nephew said a lot of people

were at the home by 11:00.

This is still one hour before the first 911 call.

- There was a ton of college-aged kids

outside of the house when the police arrived.

- I don't know why they would be so many people there.

- You think that they were calling

their friends like, come over and look at these dead bodies?

You think that's what happened?

- If it is true that there were Snapchat groups

and people knew about it so early,

then why was 911 not called?

- I'm not against the surviving roommates,

but it doesn't add up to me.

- What if the reason to call friends over first,

instead of 911, was, in fact, to contaminate

the crime scene?

- What's the reason behind those eight hours

of not calling the police?

Why would the roommates not call police first?

- I think that very deep pockets are involved in this.

I think it involves drugs.

And I think it involves other trafficking

situations in this area that are pretty rampant.

- She said, basically, that it was a drug house.

They had drugs going in and out of there.

There was some sort of drug relation.

- What I heard--

and I'm not sure which of the girls said it--

was, they were getting rid of everything in the house.

They were cleaning the house.

- I mean to get rid of, you know, [bleep], it's like,

it doesn't take four hours.

So it's like-- - Yeah.

So I don't know. They were coming up.

I think they were coming up with a narrative.

They're lying.

They have created a narrative to protect something

or somebody or themselves.

- After listening to Kim speak about what she knows about

that morning, she appears to be telling the truth

and appears to be sincere.

What do you think?

- I listened to the entire thing.

And as much as you want to say...

[scoffs] This person's full of shit,

maybe there's a little bit of, you know, meat in there.

- I don't buy it.

I think there'd be way more people than just

one person telling that story.

- I can't corroborate her information.

She would not be somebody that would be on my show.

If any portion of that was wrong,

I would literally have six months of hate behind it.

[suspenseful music]

- Olivia's been getting a decent amount

of hate over this video.

- People thought she was lying.

- This W-S-U woman, like, I don't know

why she just came forward or if she then came forward.

- I was getting tons of emails, almost threats.

And it's like, okay, let me just take it down

so that this goes away.

And I took it down.

- Do you guys know if Kim was a real person?

Because someone's thinking that someone's

pretending to be her.

Because I saw a clip too where she was like,

oh, someone's pretending to be me.

So I don't know.

There might be two, an impersonator and then her.

* *

- Police are asking for the public's help,

looking for occupants of a white Hyundai Elantra.

- Hyundai Elantra between 2011

and 2013.

- We're looking for that car because we

believe that that car was in the area

during the time of the murders.

- When they announced the Elantra, it was quite a frenzy

at that time.

- People went insane.

- Police body cam footage picked this vehicle up

driving down Taylor Avenue.

- Somebody's seen it.

Somebody saw it riding down a road.

- Could have been a rental vehicle.

It could have been a borrowed vehicle.

It could have been hot.

You couldn't drive a white Elantra

in this, you know, month period of time

without them being like, oh,

you're the one that did it.

- It must be that guy in the Elantra.

- Recently a white Hyundai Elantra was found

abandoned in Eugene, Oregon.

- I just don't think this car has anything to do with it.

- They have surveillance footage of that white car

passing very, very fast.

[gasps, screams]

- This is not the vehicle that we are looking for.

- [groans]

My God.

- Here's the problem.

There is no license plate.

- So far, we have a list

of approximately 22,000 registered

white Hyundai Elantras

that fit into our criteria that we're sorting through.

- And there's probably 100,000 white Hyundai Elantras

throughout the country, okay?

- So, you know, you're talking about a needle in a haystack.

- Hey, maybe your neighbor has one in the garage

that they don't drive very often.

Maybe...

* *

- There was a vigil held last night in Boise,

about 300 miles from the scene of the crime,

but there's still no suspect, not even a murder weapon.

- What's the likelihood that the killer

could be at the vigil?

- The public can be rest assured

that we are aware of this potential,

and that we're working on it.

- I would like to start by saying,

my name is Stacy Chapin.

[voice breaking] I'm Ethan's mom.

We are eternally grateful that we

spent so much time with him.

And I want to remind you that that's the most important

message that we have for you and your families,

because time is precious,

and it's something you can't get back.

- Xana, you will not be forgotten.

You have impacted so many lives

and have given people so much love.

- She taught me how to be a dad.

And I didn't know that until she was gone, you know?

- My heart aches knowing I can't see

her again in this lifetime.

We'll find justice for you.

We love you all so much.

- These girls, they've been friends since sixth grade.

And every day they did homework together,

they came to our house together,

they shared everything.

Then they started looking at colleges.

They came here together.

They eventually get into the same apartment together.

And in the end, they died together in the same room,

in the same bed.

- We still don't know much.

And I think it's sad that the family stated

that they know just as much as the public do,

which is pretty much nothing.

- It is so, so difficult to be patient

when you lose somebody.

- When do we stop with hiding all these things?

I mean, there's nothing more painful to the family

than just to sit around doing nothing.

- Steve Goncalves was very involved early on.

He did not believe enough was being done.

He was really calling into question the investigation.

He was clearly frustrated.

- Let's stop playing games, guys!

I need somebody to step up and be an outfit.

Be somebody to be a leader. Don't make me do it.

I don't want to do it.

- He was very outspoken.

And I don't think police wanted that.

I think police wanted the victim's families

to kind of hush down.

And he was amplifying it.

- Steve shared that their family is currently raising

funds and hope to have the public step

forward with information.

They would like to offer a reward

and possibly hire a private investigator.

- And it's his right.

He wanted answers.

I called him America's dad.

- There were so many people wanting him

to speculate at that time about who he thought

might have done it.

- Is there anyone that you have a weird feeling about?

- We weren't there for that.

We were there to tell their story.

* *

- What is your goal when you're going out there?

What do you have in your mind?

You've got boots on the ground. You're in a rental car.

What are you expecting?

- I think the goal is finding the information.

The next goal is finding the interviews.

* *

We were driving down the road.

It was snowing.

- And I got an email.

And the email said "Goncalves" on it.

- My heart was, like, literally in my throat.

And she's like, I think this is Steve.

I think Steve just reached out to me.

- I was, like shaking, like, oh, my gosh.

[dramatic music]

- The email was very simple. It was couple words.

And it was like, hey, let me know if you want to talk.

Gave him a call.

And that was the beginning of my friendship

with the Goncalves family.

What Steve says is that he was looking

at who Kaylee was following on TikTok, and my name popped up.

And he wanted to reach out to someone who

Kaylee felt comfortable with.

Because I have such a large platform,

I can get the story exposure.

* *

My friend Bullhorn Betty and I had the honor of meeting

the Goncalves family.

They welcomed us into their home.

- I hate having the date of death on there.

- They were doing everything the way that...

you tell your kid to go.

- They Ubered out together.

They only went to known locations

that they had been before.

They traveled only together on well-lit, known streets

to get food before taking a private ride

from the same individual who had picked them up.

- Everything was perfect.

Everything was good all the way up to where they went to bed

and went to sleep. - Yeah.

- And that I can't control.

- I want to touch a little bit on Jack, her boyfriend,

because he's come under great scrutiny.

- He came here immediately.

I asked him, did he have any scratches?

Did he had any bruises?

- He can prove that he had none.

Can they?

I want to see photos of everyone the police cleared

that didn't have scratches

because I have the photos of Jack.

I've cleared him in my family. He's good with us.

We went and investigated Adam.

What did you tell him? - Mm-hmm.

- We went through that whole thing.

Adam is about her trying to get back with Jack.

[suspenseful music]

Anyone who thinks that one department can do this alone,

they're crazy. - Yeah.

- This takes the whole community.

This takes all of us to solve. - Yes.

- If it's, you know, going down to Moscow,

going door to door, asking for cameras,

asking for testimony,

whatever it is, we're not going to stop.

And we're not trying to say

we're not going to follow the rules.

We're just saying, you need new rules,

because, obviously, the ones that you're using

aren't working in every case. - Mm-hmm.

- I don't even know if "sleuths"

is, like, a good term to use in the first place.

But we dive in so much deeper.

We find out information.

We make personal relationships

with people directly connected to these people.

And I think that social media is

really taking over the game.

- Now, what is your skill set?

It's one thing to go down and walk around in a field

and find a water bottle, which is a great little piece

of personal industry.

But what do you bring to the table,

and how did you develop those skills?

- What I can do is just bring awareness

and help cases that are slowly dying or becoming cold

get the exposure that they need.

We have this ingrained idea that you

need a diploma and a degree in order to do something.

But we're living in a new generation,

where there's other loopholes to get

to where you want to be.

- I do think it's worth thinking

about how much credibility we ascribe to these people,

and the fact that we do consider them news sources.

It's a job just like any other job,

but we can't conflate it with journalism,

because it's not.

- Thank you for having me on your show, Chris.

- It's a new age.

There is a new coming of how you receive your news.

[hip-hop music]

When it comes down to it, we're all

just playing the same game.

- We had the video and audio from the clip enhanced,

and you can hear her using an expletive.

"Blank you, mister," she says.

- We're clickbait, but you're not?

How?

Come on.

So what the hell is the difference

between us and them,

except for we're being real?

And I think

that threatens them.

- It's true that I'll say TikTok, web sleuths,

Reddit, I don't believe that everybody in those platforms

is lying.

But there are distinctions,

especially when it comes to true crime.

At vetted news institutions, we have standards.

There are other platforms that don't have those standards,

who are not going to lose a broadcast license

for saying the wrong thing,

who are only going to gain by inflaming stories.

And what makes something viral is something sensational.

- I want to address several areas of speculation,

conjecture, and misinformation that has circulated

on social-media platforms and otherwise.

- In the very beginning, it really was--

pardon my language-- a shit show.

- There's so much speculating happening right now.

Do I feel like it's harmful? Absolutely.

- These are all the people

that we've had Internet sleuths

pointing fingers at so far.

- We do not believe the following individuals

are involved in this crime--

the two surviving roommates,

a male seen at the Grub Truck food vendor,

specifically wearing a white hoodie.

Investigators are aware that multiple phone calls

from Madison and Kaylee's phone

were made to a male subject.

- They were all cleared. They were all cleared.

But still there was a lot of people in social media

that just would not listen to that.

- Just because you're cleared by the police

doesn't mean that you're not going

to come in for a second interview

or a third interview or a tenth interview.

It means that you talked to the police,

and they just don't have enough evidence to convict.

- Like, every day they were having

to add to their rumors page.

- Because as you know, speculation

is literally out of hand, to the point

where they have a rumor section.

- It's the first time that I've ever seen

police devote an entire page of their website

to myth busting.

There was so much misinformation

out there because of web sleuths and rumors.

They had to put out all of that information

that they knew was not true for us in the media

to know how to sort through basically the fake news.

- Stop with any kind of rumors and just seek

official information that comes out

of the Moscow Police Department.

- If I really think that you are guilty of a crime,

there is no stopping me from putting you on blast.

Somebody knew this house.

Somebody got in and out undetected.

That could very easily be a neighbor.

Now, there's a lot of online rumors going on right now

about a neighbor that lives right by the house.

His name...

- To do that, before I moved up to Moscow, moved to Moscow,

thought it was super safe, and then this happened.

And so, until they find who did it,

I'm going to continue carrying a weapon on me again.

As I would take my dog in and out to go to the bathroom,

I would just be walking by.

I would look up, and I would see people in the windows

almost every night.

Yeah, obviously, anyone that can just

go out and kill four people is a danger to the community.

I hope that he's caught, preferably before I get

back from Thanksgiving break.

- They're like, oh, my God, that guy is so weird.

He must have did it because he's so weird.

- People are speculating it's him based off

the way he gave the interviews, looking

at his facial features.

- There is a dark side to Internet sleuthing.

Certain individuals will get targeted,

and their lives could essentially be ruined.

- Jeremy was being harassed.

He was being what is called doxxed.

It was awful.

- People were messaging his grandmother and his family

and death threats and all this stuff.

- Okay.

- I'm gonna get, like, B-roll footage and stuff.

I told him, I can provide a platform for you

to share your side of the story.

- Yeah, I think as long as I keep doing interviews,

people are going to keep hating me.

- We try to stay factual, and we try to help.

- Yeah. - There's a difference.

We're not-- - Yeah.

- We're not like everyone-- We're not like everyone else.

- Yeah.

- About what time did you come in and call

it a night that night?

I was in my house pretty much all day.

I don't really do a whole lot unless my friends

invite me out. - Right.

- So I was just already in my house.

- Just chilling?

- Yeah, either watching TV or playing

on my phone or something, sitting on my couch.

- And you were up running around town at 3:00

in the morning? - Nope.

I was in my bed asleep.

- Is there a message that you want to get out there?

'Cause we will help you get that out there.

- I mean, I wish I would have been able to say on there

that sleuthing can ruin people's lives.

Luckily, I have a thick skin.

I can handle whatever Internet trolls throw at me,

but other people can't.

- I don't think-- when I'm speculating

other people's names, I don't think it's wrong.

I think it's a duty you have to do that.

We want to eliminate suspects in real time

by putting stuff out.

I never flat out blame people.

I just speculate.

I want to be very, very careful.

- Whatever I'm going to say,

I'm going to make sure I'm not going to get sued for it.

And like we said on the podcast, this is all alleged.

So I always say "allegedly," or "this is just a theory."

And if I post a rumor, I'm going to say "it's all rumor."

And as long as we're not saying anything

matter of fact when we don't know it's a fact,

what are you going to do?

- We knew it was coming.

Someone is being sued over what's

being said on the Internet.

- University of Idaho Professor Rebecca Scofield

is suing a TikToker who has posted more than a dozen

videos alleging that the professor

had a role in these murders.

- Flat out calling her a murderer,

just saying awful things and basing a lot of this,

I think, on tarot cards, on reading tarot cards.

- I took a deeper look into Rebecca Scofield and Kaylee's

relationship with each other.

Rebecca Scofield mentored Kaylee.

Kaylee and Rebecca dated.

In her mind, she started getting really bad anxiety

and paranoia that because Kaylee and Madison were

together and Kaylee and Rebecca

was no longer together--

they took a break-- that this would

turn into them telling on her.

So she was so paranoid

that she decided to order their murder.

- What?

And you are getting all this from a tarot card reading?

You do realize this is stupid, right?

- That's a really heavy accusation to make.

Like, I'm legitimately worried about her now.

Like, she's probably going to get hurt because of this.

- As a result,

Professor Scofield's life was completely upended.

In dozens of videos,

she shares Rebecca Scofield's picture, full name,

email address, phone number, address.

And it gets to the point where she

starts to worry for her safety and the safety

of her children.

- What I'm saying is true.

And Rebecca knows what I'm saying

is true because she did it.

- There's so much content on TikTok

that it's impossible to moderate.

They don't even know it's there.

- False accusations-- that's essentially bullying.

And the only way to stop bullies is to push back.

- Not everything is about you, you narcissist.

- You are not in the same state.

You have zero connection to these people.

- You're retraumatizing the victims.

You're retraumatizing the families.

- I hope someone tells you soon to stop

fucking posting videos.

- In some ways, perhaps this lawsuit, if it does land,

maybe it could spell the end of cancelation,

because so far, there have not been any repercussions.

- We didn't know fact from fiction at this time.

You got a lot of stuff coming in on 4Chan,

which are all anonymous people.

You've got stuff coming on Reddit.

It's hard to confirm.

And then you hear about this knife sheath on Facebook

from this Pappa Rodger character.

Is there really a knife sheath?

- There's so much information that's got to come in.

You got so many different people

working on it at one time.

It's unbelievable.

- Right.

- And they get tips that come in.

And everybody thinks, oh, they got a tip.

It's going to be good.

You know, a lot of the tips that come in,

they're not good.

- It's overwhelming sometimes with the amount

of information that comes in on these tip lines.

- We've received 7,600 email tips.

We've received 4,300 phone tips.

We've received 4,500 digital tips.

- The bottom line is, is social media is here.

It's going literally nowhere. It's moving at lightning speed.

And they need to figure out how to handle it.

- 911, location of your emergency?

- Yes, my name is Andra Griffin.

I am here covering a case, and a gentleman

was out here on my first time when I was out--

- Tracking down rumors and quelling rumors

about specific individuals is a huge distraction

for investigators.

- When I was out here the--

- Which agents are you with?

- What do you mean?

- You said you're covering a case. For who?

- Okay, my name is Andra Griffin.

I'm with the Bullhorn Betty channel.

- MPD has detectives, support personnel,

and a communications team

to try to keep everything together.

But it is still a daunting task.

[soft music]

- Xana Kernodle.

[bell chimes]

- It's frustrating to sit back and see all of the focus

be on how they ended and not who they were.

- Ethan Chapin.

[bell chimes]

- For me, they were so much more than that.

They were laughter.

And they were tears. And they were pranks.

- Kaylee Goncalves.

[bell chimes]

- And even jealousy and frustrations

and all of these very human emotions

that make them human because that's what they are.

- Madison Mogen.

[bell chimes]

- And I feel like that has kind of taken a back seat

to, you know,

let's dig through every rabbit hole we can find.

Let's throw out every accusation we can.

- Good night and God bless.

[suspenseful music]

- We were actually in front of 1122 King Road.

That was the day that they were coming

in there to clean all the biohazard out of the house.

All right, we're going to go back

and set up before everybody takes my spots.

And we were sitting there.

We got our cameras set up, you know?

We're ready to watch this.

You know, we don't know what to expect

with the cleaning crew.

- And there was a bunch of media out there.

I remember a reporter walked by me and said, hey,

suspect was just arrested.

- [exhales sharply] Okay, I got goose bumps.

- Oh, my gosh, this is a great day.

- And, literally, as they're leaving,

everybody is blowing up Olivia's phone, my phone.

- And it was just, like, breaking, like, by the minute.

- 12 minutes ago, suspect arrested

in connection to the University of Idaho murders.

- Honest to God, this is great news that they

got somebody in custody.

- Moscow police announce press conference today at 1:00 p.m.

- I'll do another video

right after the press conference at 1:00.

- Here we go! Here the fuck we go!

Here the fuck we--

* *

- Last night, in conjunction

with the Pennsylvania State Police,

Federal Bureau of Investigation,

detectives arrested 28-year-old Bryan Christopher Kohberger.

- And we're like...

who's Bryan Kohberger?

- He wasn't on my radar. He wasn't on anyone's radar.

- What the fuck? You know what I mean?

- So he just popped up like a wild card,

which is so insane.

- My worst fear is the wrong person gets accused

and, sadly, someone else dies.

- Who the fuck is Bryan Christopher Kohberger?

- Now, these details are very disturbing,

and they're surfacing quickly.

- There's people in my comments every day

saying there's no way he could have done it alone.

- I actually have the chills right now.

- Do you understand the implication?

- He could have been getting information from us

that helped him.