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hello my name is Don Carson and you are
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watching the 13th session of the 14 part
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series the God who is there quite
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frankly this talks topic can be
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terrifying the God who is very angry yet
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the fact remains of the Bible dares to
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mention the wrath of God more than 600
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times it never does so out of some
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vicious glee that smirks at mention of
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Hell no the person who talks about Hell
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most frequently in the Bible is the Lord
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Jesus himself the same Lord Jesus who
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weeps over the city so I beg of you not
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to skip this session after all we are
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not talking about merely abstract ideas
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of judgment but about the judgment
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itself that all of us human beings must
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face we're not evaluating an abstract
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notion of punishment in hell we're
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talking about something that will be in
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our own future if we do not embrace the
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escape that God has graciously provided
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the Bible itself will drive us back from
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the portals of Hell to stand in the
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shadow of Jesus cross and in the
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entrance to his empty tomb here and here
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alone we will be secure
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as solemn as this topic is the God who
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is very angry there's a sense in which
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for anybody who's followed the storyline
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this far it should not be too surprising
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any residual ideas of God as a kind of
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slightly sleepy grandfather figure and
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nothing more simply will not stand up to
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the way the Bible portrays God's
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righteousness his sense of the most
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profound offense when his creatures wish
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to distance themselves from him when you
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stop to think through what the Bible
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says about judgment there's quite a lot
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there from Genesis 3 on or the judgment
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of the flood the sacrificial systems
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with all those dead animals the cycles
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of decay under the judges in Israel when
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the nation sank down again and faced
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certain kind of judgment the judgment
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that fell on the kings of Israel when
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they were increasingly perverse and
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corrupt and on and on and on all the way
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through and then there's Jesus himself
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with blistering language in a chapter
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like Matthew 23 condemning some of the
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sins in his own day so there is a sense
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in which none of this therefore if we
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follow the storyline at all should
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surprise us but in some ways in our
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culture it's harder to think about
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because then anger is often connected in
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the public mind with intolerance it's
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connected with narrow mindedness and
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bigotry the category of righteous anger
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is not for us near the top of our scale
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of virtues
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one of the most frightening passages in
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the Bible is found in Revelation 14
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we've come to the last book of the Bible
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there are many many passages to which we
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could turn to explore this theme but I'm
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going to focus on Revelation 14
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beginning at verse 6 to the end of the
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chapter I'm simply going to read it
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first of all and note that the section
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is divided into two The Herald's three
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angels and then the harvest two
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metaphors about harvest and and both
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sections talk about judgment in frankly
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horrendous terms 14:6 now you must
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understand now that this writing is
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another sort we often call it
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apocalyptic literature full of symbolism
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and and and figures that you don't find
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in other kinds of writing and I don't
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have time to unpack the background of
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all of the symbolism if it were another
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sort of course just on the book of
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Revelation well then I do take time to
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try to explain how this sort of
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symbolism works in detail but you will
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catch the thrust of it in any case then
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I saw another angel flying in midair and
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he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to
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those who live on the earth to every
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nation tribe language and people he sent
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in a loud voice fear God and give Him
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glory because the hour of his judgment
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has come worship Him who made the
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heavens the earth the sea and the
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springs of water a second angel followed
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and said fall and fall and his Babylon
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the Great which made all the nations
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drink the maddening wine of her
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adulteries the third angel followed them
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and said in a loud voice if anyone
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worships the Beast and its image and
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receives its mark on their forehead or
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on their hand they too will drink of the
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wine of God's fury which has been poured
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full strength into the cup of his wrath
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they will be tormented with burning
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sulfur in the
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presence of the Holy Angels and of the
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lamb and the smoke of their torment will
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rise forever and ever there will be no
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rest day or night for those who worship
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the Beast and its image or for anyone
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who receives the mark of its name this
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calls for patient endurance on the part
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of the people of God who keep his
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commands and remain faithful to Jesus
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then I heard a voice from heaven say
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write blessed are the dead who die in
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the Lord from now on yes says the spirit
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they will rest from their labor for
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their deeds will follow them
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I looked him there before me was a white
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cloud and seated on the cloud was one
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like a son of man with a crown of gold
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on his head and a sharp sickle in his
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hand then another angel came out of the
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temple and called in a loud voice to him
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who was sitting on the cloud take your
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sickle and reap because the time to reap
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has come for the harvest of the earth is
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ripe so he was seated on the clouds
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swung his sickle over the earth and the
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earth was harvested another angel came
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out of the temple in heaven and he too
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had a sharp sickle
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still another angel who had charge of
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the fire came from the altar and called
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Ana loud voice to him who had the sharp
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sickle take your sharp sickle and gather
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the clusters of grapes from the Earth's
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vine because it's rape grapes are ripe
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the angel swung his sickle on the earth
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gathered its grapes and threw them into
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the great winepress of God's wrath
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they were trampled in the wine press
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outside the city and blood flowed out of
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the press rising as high as the horses
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bridles for a distance of 1600 stadia
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well I want to run through the passage
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so that we understand it reasonably well
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just to see what it's saying and then to
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think through with you biblically
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theologically what all this language of
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judgment and hell means we divide the
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passage into first of all the Herald's
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the three angels verses 6 to 13 you
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often find angels in apocalyptic
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literature and the proclamations here
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that they bring are interrelated and
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they're progressive the first angel
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summons all humankind to fear God and
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worship Him verses 6 and 7 I saw another
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angel flying in midair
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that is Midheaven is what is meant to be
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seen and heard by all and now he issues
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the proclamation it's to those who live
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on the earth is not for the angelic
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hordes of heaven it's for people living
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on the earth he had the eternal gospel
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to proclaim to those who live on the
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earth that's what he was there for to
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every nation tribe language and people
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so it's not restricted to merely one
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subset now the question is what is this
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eternal gospel there are two views one
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group says that the eternal gospel
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mentioned in verse 6 is given its
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content in verse 7 so the eternal gospel
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is what this angel says in verse 7 he
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said in a loud voice fear God and give
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Him glory because the hour of his
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judgment has come worship Him who made
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the heavens the earth the sea and the
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springs of water in which case it sounds
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as if this eternal gospel is somehow a
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kind of generic and oh you may not have
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heard of Jesus and you might not know
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the truth but sort of worship the God
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was manifested himself in nature and
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you'll be alright that really doesn't
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make any sense for two reasons first the
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word gospel by this time is already such
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a fixed word with real meaning by the
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time John writes this about 8090 or
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thereabouts
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moreover early
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on in this book in two spectacular
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chapters revelation four and five
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john has a vision that shows us what the
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gospel really is what it looks like
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it's spectacular I wish I had time just
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to expound those two chapters to you in
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those two chapters chapter 4 is to
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chapter 5 what a setting is to a drama
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in highly apocalyptic imagery God is
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presented in the setting as transcendent
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so spectacularly glorious that even the
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highest order of angels covered their
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faces before him and cry holy holy holy
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is the Lord God Almighty
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there were told that he's the god of
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creation and the entire created order
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lives and moves and has its being
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entirely because of him that's
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revelation 4 and then in Revelation 5
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the drama begins in the right hand of
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this God we're told is a scroll sealed
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with seven seals and this scroll it
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turns out is the scroll that contains
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all of God's purposes for judgment and
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blessing for the entire universe that's
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where the scroll contains all of God's
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purposes for judgment and blessing but
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it's sealed with seven seals and as the
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drama is set up in this vision an angel
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proclaims to the whole universe who is
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worthy to approach this God and take the
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scroll from the right hand of God
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himself and slit the seals and in the
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symbolism of the day that meant bring to
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pass everything that was in the scroll
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what angel could approach this God and
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be God's agent for bringing to pass all
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of God's purposes and no one is found to
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his worthy no angelic being no human
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being no one in the abodes of the dead
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no one after all he's the God who is
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described in such terrifying terms in
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the in the previous chapter if even the
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highest order of angels dare not look on
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him who's gonna come along and say here
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I'll do that no problem and John the
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seer the visionary he weeks
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he weeps not because he's a nosey Parker
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who can't see into the future he weeps
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because in the symbolism of the vision
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it means that unless somebody does come
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along and slit those seals God's
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purposes for judgment and blessing won't
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come to pass that is history becomes
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meaningless there is no final accounting
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there's no righteousness the sufferings
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of the church are useless and then one
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of the interpreting figures taps him on
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the shoulder and says stop your crying
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John look the Lion of the tribe of Judah
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he has prevailed to open the scroll so I
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look John said and I saw a lamb so a
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lion has been introduced and what he
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sees as a lamb we are not to think of
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two animals park side by side this is
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apocalyptic literature and one of the
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things that happens in apocalyptic
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literature is that you can mix your
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metaphors the lion is the lamb the lion
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of the tribe of Judah means the one who
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comes from the royal tribes the tribe of
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Judah is the tribe of David that the
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tribe of Judah is the one from whom the
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King comes the Messiah the promised the
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Promised One he he comes from the tribe
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of Judah the Royal figure he has come
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and he is prevailed after a struggle to
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take the scroll and bring God's purposes
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to pass but when John looks up he sees a
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lamb because the lion is the lamb the
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one who is the promised king is also the
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sacrificial slaughtered lamb and we're
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told that he does not come from the
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outside and go in he emerges from the
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center of the throne he's one with God
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himself you're coming back to the
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complexity of the one God and as he
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manifests himself the lion lamb all
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around the throne countless millions
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around the throne break out in a new
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song as they address this Christ figure
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this lion land and say you are worthy
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you are worthy to take the scroll and
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break the seals for you have purchased
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people for God from every tongue and
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tribe and people and nation with your
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own blood and made them to be a kingdom
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and priests to serve our God in other
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words the gospel is the same gospel as
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you find in Paul it's what God has
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ordained through his son this lion lamb
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to pay the price of sin to take on the
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the effects of the curse to to release
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his people to gather and transform men
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and women from every tongue and tribe
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and people and nation it's it's the good
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news it's it's the gospel life changing
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focus on who Christ is and what he has
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done that is the gospel in which case
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here in revelation 14:6 and 7 the
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connection between those these two
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verses has got to be seen the other way
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it's not that verse 17 gives us the
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content of the gospel the content of the
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gospel is defined by Jesus on the cross
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and has already been laid out for us in
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revelation 4 in Revelation 5 the
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connection between 6 and 7 is a little
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different listen granted that the gospel
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is here granted that it's being
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proclaimed granted that it is being
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announced granted that this is the sole
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means by which God's purposes for
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salvation and judgment come to pass then
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fear God and give Him glory because the
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hour of his judgment has come worship
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Him who made the heavens the earth the
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sea in the springs of water
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you're tied back to responsibility to
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the creator and eventually this time of
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salvation and patience will close the
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time comes fear him then the second
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angel announces the impending downfall
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of paganism verse 8 the second angel
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says fallen fallen is Babylon the Great
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which made all the nations drink the
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maddening wine of her adulteries now
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historic Babylon of course
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was the capital of the Babylonian Empire
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in the tigris-euphrates system and at
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one point was the capital of the
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regional superpower the superpower that
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destroyed the southern part of the Land
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of Israel that is the tribes of Judah
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and Benjamin destroy the temple in 586
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BC but it becomes in the Bible a kind of
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symbol for paganism that runs amok and
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is finally destroyed the Great King
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boasts powerfully in the Book of Daniel
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of of this Babylon is not this mighty
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Babylon that I have built but it becomes
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almost a symbol for arrogance for
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vaunted self independence it's a symbol
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for the spirit of godlessness which in
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every age lives in those who worship
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anything but the Creator society set
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free from God is its own worst enemy and
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now in New Testament times Babylon has
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already been destroyed
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it's a piddling little village at this
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juncture but the name of Babylon is
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picked up and applied in a symbol Laden
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way to the city of Rome which was at
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that time the capital city of the
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regional superpower and the mark of
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paganism unbelief arrogance
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and now as the final account is readied
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the second angel says fallen fallen is
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Babylon the Great that is there is an
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announcement of the impending
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destruction of all society and life and
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arrogance that sets itself up over
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against God himself in the first century
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manifested in particular in paganism it
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made all the nations drink the maddening
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wine of her adulteries these adultery's
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in biblical language have to do not
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first and foremost with merely sexual
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adultery if I may dare put it that way
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but adultery becomes a figure for the
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kind of apostasy in which in which
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you're not as it were tied intimately
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and covenant aliy with God but you
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prostitute yourself to other gods so
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that adultery becomes almost a symbol or
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betrayal of God and this massive pagan
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voice has made the nations drunk with a
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maddening wine of her adulteries and the
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third angel the third angel vividly
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portrays the torments awaiting those who
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worship the Beast
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now the reference to the Beast is from
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the previous two chapters chapter 12
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pictures the devil himself referred to
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as that old serpent hauling you back you
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see to chapter 3 of Genesis again that
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old serpent who then calls forth some
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beasts as it were as his functionaries
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there's one beast that is particularly
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strong and powerful and there's another
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beast which is deceptive sometimes
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called a false prophet and in John's
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language the devil and the first beast
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and the second beast functioned together
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as a kind of eighth trinity pretending
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to be God trying to act like Father Son
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and spirit but only evil only
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destructive
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never able to be gone and the beast then
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wants everybody to be stamped by His
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image and come under his way in control
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that's part of the language of the
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previous chapter that we don't have time
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to press but now with that presuppose
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the third angel says in a loud voice if
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anyone worships the Beast that is
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Satan's own emissary the Beast and its
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image and receives its mark on their
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forehead or on their head they too will
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drink of the wine of God's fury which
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has been poured full strength into the
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cup of his wrath they will be tormented
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with burning sulfur in the presence of
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the holy angels and of the lamb and the
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smoke of their torment will rise forever
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and ever there will be no rest day or
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night for those who worship the Beast
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and its image
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God's wrath poured out in full strength
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the image is drawn from wine drinking
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practices in the ancient world when you
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produce wine it comes out about 30 proof
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that is about 15 percent alcohol it can
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go up or down a bit but it's not a
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distilled product where you can control
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the amount of alcohol it's a fermented
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process and so it depends on the sugar
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and the temperature and the kind of
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berry and so on but it's about 30 proof
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15 percent alcohol but in the ancient
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world it was very common to cut the wine
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with water somewhere between one part in
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ten one part of wine to ten parts of
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water and three and one so most table
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wine that people drank in the ancient
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world was cut this image is saying this
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is now the wine of God's wrath poured
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out full strength any manifestation of
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God's wrath that you've seen so far the
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exile for example plagues in the Old
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Testament disease war any of these
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things that you have seen as horrible
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manifestations of God's wrath let me
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tell you the author is saying that was
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the dilute form
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now God's wrath is poured out full
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strength
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different images are used burning sulfur
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in the presence of the Holy Angels in
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the Lamb does not mean the angels in the
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lamb are sitting there laughing and
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saying I told you so it means there is
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enough awareness of these people in
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these people of the Angels and the lamb
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to whom they no longer ever can have
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access that that is part of the
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tournament there is no way out
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and the smoke of their torment will rise
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forever and ever
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now the harvest verses 14 to 20 here the
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arrival of God's judgment is depicted in
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to agricultural portraits first the
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grain harvest verses 14 to 16 the whole
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point of these three verses is very
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simple it is saying that a time is
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coming a set time when the harvest takes
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place and there's no escaping it the Son
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of Man is Christ himself
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with a sharp sickle in his hand and the
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voice through the angel from the temple
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it's a way of saying from his heavenly
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father says take your sickle and reap
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because the time to reap has come for
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the harvest of the earth is ripe so he
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who was seated on the cloud swung his
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sickle over the earth and the earth was
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harvested in other words life does not
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go on and on and on endlessly this is
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not Hinduism where there are cycles and
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recycles and recycles of incarnation
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where you sort of rise and fall history
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and the Bible is telling a logical that
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is it goes somewhere it begins somewhere
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and it ends somewhere it heads toward an
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end and when the time comes and the Lord
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Himself swings a sickle time as we know
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it will be no more
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and finally the trading of the winepress
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in the last verse is 17 to 20 emphasizes
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the violent thoroughness of God's wrath
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when it is finally poured out you need
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to understand how these things worked in
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the ancient world they would take the
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grapes and put them into a great stone
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VAT in a large vineyard a large stone
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VAT at the bottom of the VAT where
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little holes and the juice could come
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out of those holes and run through stone
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channels into collecting pots or the
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like so you put in the grapes into this
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VAT and the servant girls would pick off
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their sandals pick up their skirts and
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go in and stamp down the grapes and the
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juice would flow and then the juice
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would be collected and from it would
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come the fermentation and the wine and
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the drink and all the rest but now this
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imagery is used to portray people being
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thrown into the great winepress of God's
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wrath who are being trampled underfoot
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so thoroughly that the blood flows out
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from the channels to a height of a
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horse's bridle for a distance of almost
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200 miles
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now I know it's imagery the sulfurous
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imagery - and elsewhere darkness and
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chains no doubt our imagery but they're
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not imagery of nothing in each case they
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are meant to tell us something important
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and hear what is being conveyed is the
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violent thoroughness of God's wrath when
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it is finally poured out what shall we
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as Christians make of this there are a
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lot of Christians today who want to say
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that surely it's better to think of Hell
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as a place where there will be some
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temporary punishments until eventually
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you simply lose all consciousness
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annihilation others think that it is
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manipulative and cruel to speak of Hell
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at all just talk about the love of God
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there are several things that really
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have to be said this is not an easy
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topic but they have to be said first the
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person in the Bible who talks most of
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hell is Jesus he is the one who
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introduces almost all of the horrendous
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and colorful images he can openly say to
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followers of his who are at risk of
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being crucified and beaten and sawn
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asunder all the rest he says do not fear
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those who can only kill your body fear
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him rather who after killing your body
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can consign both body and spirit to hell
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he talks about two dungeons and chains
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outer darkness people sometimes say well
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I'd like to go to hell all my friends
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will be there there are no friends in
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hell
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he can speak of weeping and wailing and
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gnashing of teeth
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not surprising he weeps over the city
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and as for manipulating you you see it's
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only manipulating you if it's not true
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if it's true and I rest first and
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foremost on Jesus authority it's warning
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you and it would be unkind and
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uncharitable for me not to warn you as I
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must warn myself
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moreover there are some small hints that
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this place goes on did you notice the
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line in 1411 the smoke of their torment
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will rise forever and ever
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this does not sound like a place where
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it comes to an end or again a few
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chapters on in Revelation 20
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fire came down from heaven and devoured
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them 2010 and the devil who deceived
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them was thrown into the lake of burning
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sulfur where the beast and the false
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prophet had been thrown they will be
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tormented day and night forever and ever
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let me hasten to say that any Christian
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who teaches on these things with anger
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and without tears is betraying Jesus
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we don't need Elmer Gantry x' who take a
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kind of vicious glee over the tragic
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ends of others we don't need that and we
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will be the first to say as Paul calls
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the Christians in Ephesians 2 the
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passage we saw in the last section that
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we are by nature all children of Wrath
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it is only by the grace of the gospel
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then we know anything different
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but there's more I cannot quite prove
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this but I think that there are enough
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biblical hints to hold that it is true
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hell is not going to be filled with
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people who say all right all right you
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win
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I'm so sorry I do repent I really would
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like another chance I really would like
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now to trust Jesus I really now would
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like to go to heaven it's not gonna be
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filled with people like that the last
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book of the Bible says let him who is
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filthy be filthy still that him who is
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unjust be unjust still let him who is
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righteous be righteous still that is you
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move into the new heaven and the new
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earth you move into Hell itself and you
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remain in principle what you are already
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if it's a Christian you are already seen
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as righteous in Christ if you have
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already been increasingly conformed to
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the likeness of Christ you you move into
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a new heaven and a new earth and
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righteousness becomes yours without
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footnotes or exceptions or tendencies
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away or the influences of the old nature
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let him who is righteous be righteous
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still there's the culmination of this
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righteousness are you moving to hell and
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you don't suddenly turn over a new leaf
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and become spotless but him who is
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filthy be filthy still hell is full of
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people who don't want to be there but
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still do not want to bend the knee and
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for all eternity they still hate God
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they still despise the cross they still
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sin and hate each other in this endless
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cycle of self chosen sin and iniquity
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and rebellion and anarchy and idolatry
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and its consequences it's horrendous it
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so much is that part of their stamp and
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their makeup that if they went suddenly
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transported to heaven they'd hate it in
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exactly the same way as we saw in John
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chapter three in the passage on God's
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love when the light comes people love
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darkness rather than light because their
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deeds are evil that is the horrible
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awfulness of it
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ongoing punishment and still god help us
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no repentance not ever not ever
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and that's why the Bible dare say flee
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flee from the wrath to come
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biblically faithful Christianity does
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not present itself as a nice religious
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structure that makes happier parents and
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well ordered children and good taxpaying
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citizens it may produce better parents
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and better taxpaying citizens but the
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issues at stake in biblical Christianity
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have to do with eternity
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and heaven and hell' matters of the
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utmost significance your relationship to
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your maker what God has provided in
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Christ what the cross is about the
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resurrection for at the end of the day
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what hell measures is how much Christ
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paid for those who escaped hell the
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measure of his torment in ways I don't
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pretend even to begin to understand the
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measures of his torment as the god man
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is the measure of torment that we
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deserve and he bore
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and if you see that and believe it you
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will find it difficult to contemplate
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the cross for very long without tears
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let us pray
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open our eyes Lord God so that we can
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see the eternal significance of the
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glorious gospel of Christ help us to see
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that the terrors of the world the
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threats and torments offered often
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enough across history by the world are
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nothing compared to the wrath of lamb we
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face some kind of choice whether we will
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live our lives terrified of people who
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can do damage to us in this world but
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then can't do anything or whether we
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will leave our lie lead our lives in the
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submissive fear of him who can destroy
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body and soul in hell
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Oh Lord God from the heart of each one
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of us help us to turn to our only escape
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to him who bore our sin with its guilt
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and penalty in his own body on the tree
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that we might be made the righteousness
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of God in him
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and so we sing Oh help me understand it
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Oh help me take it in what it meant to
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thee thou Holy One to take away my sin
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Lord God be merciful to me a sinner for
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Jesus sake amen
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you
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you
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