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We are rapidly approaching the conclusion of Better Call Saul, and I

to see what unfolds on next week's series finale. But first, tonight's

took us on a wild ride that was heartbreaking and hilarious and

Not only did Kim survive the Breaking Bad era, but she made a new life in

Florida, and she swapped arguing in court for small talk about what makes

mayonnaise mayonnaise.

But after a surprise phone call from Jean, Kim decided to come clean, try to

make amends for her role in Howard's death.

Meanwhile, Gene's brazen behavior seems to have caught up with him as Marion

thought through his con and alerted the police.

So, what will Saul do now that his cover's been blown? What will be the

of Kim's confession?

And what fate awaits Saul in next week's series finale?

On tonight's show, we're going to talk about all of it. We have interviews with

the cast and producers, including ones with Giancarlo Esposito, Tony Dalton,

Carol Burnett.

My guests are executive producers and creators of Better Call Saul, Vince

Gilligan, and Peter Gould. The one and only Bob Odenkirk, a .k .a. Jimmy, a .k

.a. Saul, a .k .a. Jean, and Kim Wexler herself, Ray Sehorne. I'm Chris

Hardwick, and this is Talking Saul.

Welcome.

Please welcome my guests, Vince Gilligan, Peter Gould, Bob Odenkirk, and

Sehorne are here.

Congratulations on the Emmy noms this season.

Very cool. Congratulations. Ray, is this your first nomination?

It appears to be my first nomination.

Yes. Well, congratulations.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

So, first of all, I was very relieved, as were a lot of people, to see that...

Kim survived like she made it through the Breaking Bad era. She's there.

Fear of living on on Twitter says, Kim Wexler still alive in Breaking Bad

timeline. Oh, my God, thank you.

PunisherBase on Twitter says, literally yelled, she's alive!

Like Marty at the end of Back to the Future 2.

Blair on Twitter says, Kim Wexler hanging out with Karen is the cruelest

of the entire Breaking Bad.

And Ray Sehorne in the house, phenomenal actress. Love that you are back in

Better Call Saul.

What was your reaction to Kim being very much alive in Florida?

Well, Peter had talked to me about the fact that I would come back because

and Vince have been very respectful of actors whenever they're gone forever and

letting them know. So I knew I would come back in some capacity.

But I didn't know what capacity.

So when I got this script, written by Vince and directed by Vince, I was very

surprised. I knew that I had some wig fittings.

And it was challenging.

But then it was so beautiful to understand that she is a shell of a

just kind of like living.

this life that for me was the answer to her saying i wanted more when she way

back when when she interviewed with schweikert and uh schweikert and cokley

said i just wanted more and i think she thinks she flew too close to the sun and

now she's tamping it all down and it was sad but she was still kim wexler she

didn't she had a new job and a new appearance but she still was kim wexler

She was, but you shouldn't see that till the birthday party scene when she's

singing. So one of the challenges that Vince and I had was, should you see

cracks in the armor prior to that? And we talked about it. And then we talked

Peter about it as far as like, how long has she been living this life?

And we truly believe that she's gotten so used to the performance she's doing.

It is sincere when she's like, let's sign the kitty cat card. It's real.

for that moment, and then you shouldn't see the cracks until Jimmy calls her.

Yeah, and when Gene, Jimmy, Saul, calls her, why is he so intense

with her?

Because she won't give him anything.

He hasn't seen her in, I don't know how long. What is it, a year and a half?

I think it's been six years. Oh, six years. Yeah, it's been a while. Okay,

that makes sense.

I don't watch this shit.

Six years.

But she won't give him anything.

And, you know, I mean, it's just a phone call. Can't you say anything nice or

anything at all? Yeah.

Peter, what did Kim's ultimate confession and visit to Cheryl

know if it symbolizes anything. I think she's, this has been a burden she's been

carrying.

I think if she had her way, she would have confessed right away. I think she

would have left the apartment and instead of going to Florida, I think she

have gone to the police if she could have, if she could have safely done that

and not involved Jimmy and not involved Gus and Mike and all that. So I think

she's living under a cloud because she hasn't been able to tell the truth.

Yeah, but she improvises this elegant lie to Cheryl at the gathering,

and it's so cold and so

precise that it's like, oh, my God, she's out jimmying Jimmy in this moment.

then, obviously, it all comes to a head, and she has this breakdown on the bus.

What was that?

moment like for you and for her um yeah

that memorial scene but also the scene where I go to her and confess you're

right those are and Vince and I and and Peter we like we really thought about

how to calibrate that because I think that Kim does not think she deserves to

the one who needs to feel anyone needs to feel sorry for in that moment so I do

think that she suppresses i'm here to do penance i'm here to allow the victims

to actually be the victims and then um on the bus scene and we were on a

real tram right fence going around uh abq airport and uh

they vince told me and peter told me it's um

this is not this episode's letting go this is six Six seasons,

seven years of her letting go of what she's become, what she has done to

herself.

And I understood that. And it hurt in my chest.

Vince, what do you remember about directing that scene?

I just remember I was nervous about it all day. I didn't have any reason to be

because, you know, Ray, I knew she'd crush it.

But it was just.

You know, we put four cameras, locked them down in the back of this bus. It's

real bus. If you go to Albuquerque now and, you know, rent a car there flying

into the airport, the odds of you riding this actual bus are probably pretty

good. And you say that now a bunch of Breaking Bad fans and Better Call Saul

fans are going to be like, why are our trams so full of people not flying

anywhere?

Yeah, that's true. That's true. Tourism dollars. Yeah. But it was.

It was just, and my sweetie Holly is sitting next to Ray.

Yeah. Yes!

Yeah, Holly's in there.

And it was just fun. We did two takes of it. I felt guilty, Ray, making you do a

second take because you were perfect on the first one. But I'm just, you know,

I'm neurotic. I've got to have more than one take.

But you just nailed it. I think we did use the second take, if that makes you

feel better. But it was just, she just crushed it. And it was, you know, it was

just perfect.

Two times, and it was a lot of fun, but I was anxious. I think I was kind of

anxious for Ray leading up to it.

Well, we're going to take a quick break. We have interviews of the cast and

crew, including ones with Giancarlo Esposito, Tony Dalton, and Carol

We'll be right back on Talking Thaw.

Marion is the mother of the cab driver who identified Gene as Saul.

And what happens is that she has really liked Gene a whole lot.

And she finds out that he is indeed Saul Goodman. And she is very upset and hurt

and angry.

And he is very upset.

And he's also kind of threatening.

and she pulls out her life alert, and she blows a whistle on him, and he

It's really hard to be mad at each other, so we really have to pull out our

acting chops, I have to say.

I'm going to miss a lot of the group. There's a lot of love in this group, and

know they've been together since Breaking Bad, and this is a family, and

feel it.

And as I said, there's a lot of love.

Oh, my gosh.

We'll go back to talking stall. That was the legendary Carol Burnett.

Which, by the way, we're shooting in, we're one floor above where they shot

Carol Burnett show.

The talent entrance to the building is called the Carol Burnett Talent

So this is legendary for a legend.

YML11 on Twitter says, Carol Burnett was not on my Better Call Saul bingo card.

A total treat.

Mr. Jim Messina says, there's nothing more wholesome than watching a legend

Carol Burnett enjoying a kitten riding a Roomba and calling her a cutie

patootie.

Oybe on Twitter says, kudos to casting Carol Burnett.

national treasure uh and uh what was it like shooting the scene where you kind

of threatened the national treasure carol burnett bob odenkirk super fun oh

god that was the greatest i loved her so much i mean just as a person and hers

of course, her career and her show, but working with her was a joy. And she's

just so present and giving and sweet and such a great actress. I mean,

if you see that last scene where Saul is, you know, I don't know, going to

strangle her or something, and then the sweetness of her face and her

hurt on her heart that hurt so much in that moment melts his...

steely anger and uh and he remembers that he's human again briefly

and can't do it thank god i couldn't actually do it no i'm glad which is to

obviously i couldn't actually do it but i couldn't i wouldn't like if you had

written that solve kills i was really i was really close but he gets close which

is crazy but you know what's great about that it's the furthest length that he's

gone

It's great that he really is doing this whole scam just to burn up

his life. He's trying to destroy himself. I'm glad you said that because

trying to figure out, like, what is his angle at this point? And also, so many

times. It's like the movie Leaving Las Vegas.

Yeah. I'm going to do these scams until you catch me and I go down or something.

I'm just going to burn this down because he's not enjoying.

The Cinnabon job.

And he's not enjoying being hidden away. And as hard as it is, Ray's talking

about Kim struggling and her six years of suffering as this other version of

herself in Florida. Well, it's even worse, I would say, for Jimmy to be

mute as his effusive character is.

He can't handle it. He's having like a heart attack or something in that.

into cinnamon what he has a brain yeah what does he have there a stroke well he

does like a panic attack panic attack that takes him down sends him to the

hospital there are points throughout this where you're okay i feel like Your

character, okay, maybe he's going to have a redemption arc. And then you see,

like, Kim's character has a redemption arc where she comes clean.

And then, you know, two things. You almost kill that poor guy on the stairs.

And then you approach Carol Burnett. You wanted to see me kill him.

That's different. No, I do. I feel like, you know, by the end of the episode,

I'm like, I don't know if that redemption arc is coming. Like, I feel

idea of, like, what's going to happen in the final episode where it ends with

you almost killing Carol Burnett. Like, I can't imagine, like, is it possible

for this character to be redeemed at this point?

Well, I don't want any spoiler alert, but he does try to jump Snake River

Canyon.

But other than that, there's nothing to see.

Greer J on Facebook says, Vince, how did you get Carol Burnett on the show?

Well, I tell you, I'll try to make it quick. This is a real Hollywood story,

way we met. But we've known each other now for six or seven years.

We met in the most Hollywood of ways. We both have a favorite.

Limbo driver.

A guy named Jason, who was awesome.

And, you know, we'd get, you know, I don't travel this way every day, I

But every now and then, if you go to the Emmys or whatnot, if you're lucky

enough to get to go, the studio sends you. And Jason, our driver, would say,

hey, you know, my friend Carol's a real big fan of yours. She loves Breaking

Bad. This was back in the Breaking Bad days. And I said, great, Carol who?

Burnett. I was like, what?

Jason was our intermediary. We met cute through Jason, our driver.

And, like, one day we'd be, Holly and I would be in the car and we'd get a box

set of the Carol Burnett show. Oh, my gosh. I've seen them all anyway. But,

like, it was a gift from her. And then I got her a barrel set, which I gave to

her through Jason.

Finally, one day I get in the car and Jason says, Carol just says, you know,

let's cut out the middleman. And she suggests that you guys all have.

Oh, my gosh. That's how we met.

That would become like you send her a note like, Carol Burnett, do you like

Check yes or no.

By the way, no one would judge you if you wrote limos all the time. You've

created and co -created some of the best television shows on the planet.

If you,

if I saw you.

If I saw you riding a tiger on top of a limo that was also a jet, I'd be like,

that totally is fine with me. But you're the nicest man in the world. I wouldn't

worry about it.

Bob, I want to talk about the scene where Gene, where he trains Jeff how to

the store. Like, where we finally see the present present in black and white.

Oh, you're talking about, like, what episode is that?

Episode 11.

10 in the snowy wonderland or running around.

That was so fun, man. So fun. Because he's torturing this guy.

Go faster!

And he's enjoying it.

This guy who's had something over on him, this guy who's going to give him

and destroy everything, and he's now got him under his thumb, and he's going to,

you know, drive him crazy. Try to.

And it was a lot of fun. And shout out to Pat Healy, who plays the character.

Pat Healy plays it great.

Yeah. And we are.

We were on The Post together, the movie The Post, and got to know each other

there, and this was really fun to work with him again.

I think another big question, Ray, difference between Miracle Whip and

mayonnaise? It was a big debate in this last episode.

So I'm here in New Hampshire with my family, and I have Richmond and

family.

This just happens to be in the house. I can see because it's happened.

I think Miracle Whip is too sweet.

I don't do Miracle Whip.

But Vince and I had a good discussion on that day of like, would you think this

would work in a recipe? And the fact is, it is sweet. If you had a recipe that

wanted mayonnaise.

and you had relatives in Virginia or Maryland that wanted Duke's, it would

actually be a conundrum. You'd have to give some thought to it.

You know how dumb we are, by the way? We didn't get paid for any of this

product. Oh, come on.

I'm watching the show going, Duke's mayonnaise must be there.

Cinnabon must have backed a truck of money up to, you know. No. No.

That's great.

Wait, Vince, Vince, you wish we got free, man.

You're going to get it now.

You're going to get it, and Cameron is going to send it to you, is how it's

going to work out. My heart's desire, yeah.

When we come back, we have one more interview with the cast, including ones

John Carlos Esposito and Tony Dalton. We'll be right back on Talking...

Walt and Jesse were certainly at the center of Breaking Bad.

And Brian and Aaron are just two people that are exceptionally special human

beings and have always been generous about being willing to step back into

world, which is an unbelievable privilege to have those actors willing

that. For Vince, Peter, the big question was... When and how do you use them?

And I think restraint was very much like a, you know, an element in that.

Because if you go too far too fast, then you're shifting the focus in a way that

really doesn't service the story that we've been telling with Better Call

Seeing Walt and Jesse does give you context for Jimmy's arc into Saul.

Like, you're reminded of who Saul was, and you're reminded of how far we've

in the story. And I think that's really important.

Won't Jesse become a measuring stick of sorts in terms of the growth or...

lack thereof. Having Brian and Aaron on set is definitely, again, a marker of,

like, oh, it really is the end. The show is going to finish. It was a sign of

that. Having those guys around is just a celebration.

Like, they're just so joyful, and having them on set was just fun.

Welcome back to Talking Soul. That was executive producer, Mr.

Bernstein. Welcoming Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul back to set to reprise their

roles of Walt and Jesse. We're back with Vince, Peter, Bob, and Ray.

The Walt and Jesse reactions, Trek 8, LFC on Twitter says, I literally got

goosebumps seeing Jesse and Walt in Better Call Saul.

Adamo Giancola says, Walt and Jesse's return was absolutely glorious.

And so I guess, you know, it's interesting to see as we revisit this.

Saul's first scene in Breaking Bad with Brian and Aaron. Now that we have all

this other information, it just gives it a lot more weight.

Yeah. I mean, it was amazing to be in Winnebago with them.

And it was just fun to do that.

But I couldn't believe they were there and that we were doing it. It's

interesting, Peter.

Bringing back Walt and Jesse now, it almost kind of feels like we're able to

kind of retcon a little bit. There's more of Saul in the picture than you

realize with Breaking Bad. He might have been a little more kind of commanding.

scenario than we originally realized.

Yeah, we're seeing the show from a whole different point of view. And shooting

that, by the way, was so weird coming back all these years later, and there

a sandstorm when we shot the first version of it on Breaking Bad, and then

sandstorm on the second version. Yeah, but you couldn't see the damn sand.

Yeah, but it was going right up your nose.

Yeah, we were suffering it. But then I can't wait to watch it on screen and

the audience go, these guys are such heroes.

And you can't see the sand. You can't see the sand.

You can't see the sand. They're going to put the sand on the screen. And it was

cold, too.

Having said all that, we thought it would be really fascinating to see the

of Breaking Bad from this other point of view. To see that maybe Breaking Bad in

some ways was Walt and Jesse's story, but this is...

Saul or Jimmy's story, and now we see what they meant to him.

And, yeah, you've got to wonder if Walt hadn't walked into that office, the

story of Breaking Bad would be, I think, pretty different.

I'm sorry, just that moment where he realizes they cooked the blue stuff. And

that's what he's been waiting for.

He's been waiting for somebody like that to walk into his life.

And that's why he suspected that could happen, and here they are. It's amazing.

So he learned nothing from dealing with Lalo.

Nothing at all.

No, he did.

I think that he sees Walt as like, this guy is not an off -the -rails

guy. This guy has a life. He has a wife and kids, and he's a teacher, right?

So this is the difference. It's like, what if I could get a mastermind

who's not out of his... Mine.

Well, I think I got him. I'm going to try this terrible thing again, except

time I'm going to get it right. Okay, there we go. And he almost does.

Ray, you know, one of the big questions for Kim was like, you know, seeing Kim

throughout this whole series in the back of your head going, she's not in

Breaking Bad, so is she okay?

And then seeing that scene with Kim and Jesse, can you talk about that

connection?

Yeah, well, so...

So I've met Aaron and Brian because they come to our premieres all the time. And

they are as lovely as you would want your hero actors to be. They are

wonderful people. And I'm thrilled to come back and help us tell our story.

watch Better Call Saul.

And Aaron was lovely. I was a little nervous.

to work with him because I'm a big fan. And he's a big fan of Kim Whistler. And

so he was so sweet to me. And then we really enjoyed the fact that scene that

and I have where I'm smoking out there.

My character is at the end of the arc of realizing what going down

a rabbit hole can do to your conscience.

And her erosion of her conscience, she's gone all the way through.

He's beginning it.

This is even pre -Breaking Bad.

So we really love that idea of, like, if they could tell each other what they've

learned, she could tell him what she's learned, would he change what he's

I don't know. And instead, it's just these two people, like, missing each

in the moment. And she's also coming from what she had inside and signing

divorce papers and that terrible scene.

killed me with Saul.

And him wanting to know, like, is he a good lawyer? And I loved that moment of

her just answering that. He was when I knew him.

Vincent Peter, what did it mean that Mike goes and has a conversation with

Nacho's dad and says, here's what happened?

Boy. Yeah, you should take that one. I think Mike identifies with Nacho's dad.

Mike lost a son.

Nacho's dad lost a son, and Mike thinks that they are alike in some way. And he

goes and has this heart -rending scene, and he finds out, no, they don't. He

thinks that maybe telling the dad that there was revenge, that revenge

is coming, is somehow going to make dad feel not better, not going to heal him,

but is going to keep that rage.

Keep that rage and help him to go on.

And, in fact, boy, you know, I think Nacho's dad puts Mike in his place. He

does. He really does. Puts him back on his heels, doesn't he? He just, you

Mike is always the guy that gets the last word. He's the guy in control. And

this guy makes him look.

Kind of sad and small.

Diminishes them. Yeah, you don't see that every day.

Yeah, because he's basically saying it's like it's never going to end for you.

There's no end. There's no amount of revenge. It's always revenge upon

upon revenge upon revenge.

And it's pointless.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Well, before we go to break, I want to remind you to make sure to tune in for

the series finale of Better Call Saul next Monday, August 15th on AMC and

Coming up, we have more interviews, including Giancarlo Esposito and Tony

Dalton. We'll be right back.

It's great to be part of this whole universe and to have people really sort

embrace the character and like him.

He's such a complex character because he has sort of this charisma and this

charm.

yet ruthless killer, which makes it even scarier.

There was a fun character to play.

I'm sad to say goodbye to him.

I'm going to miss everybody here. It was a great crew, and it was a wonderful

part to play, and it really was an honor. I mean, everybody here was just

great. I mean, my alarm clock in the morning, it would ring. I'd get a smile

my face because I'd come and work with all these guys.

Every day was great, and I'm going to miss that.

Welcome back to Talking Saul. That was Tony Dalton on what it means to him to

have been a part of the Better Call Saul.

We're here with Vince, Peter, Bob, and Ray.

Vince and Peter, how would you describe Lalo's impact on the Breaking Bad

universe?

I think Peter should...

Take the second half. The first half is there wouldn't have been a Lalo if it

had been up to me. That's how dumb I am. I got really lazy.

You know, Lalo is mentioned in the very first episode. It's a throwaway line,

the very first episode of Breaking Bad that Saul appears in. He says, Lalo,

a throwaway.

And Peter kept saying, we got to pay this off. Who is Lalo? Who's this guy

that Thal's so scared of? And I said, oh, for God's sake, you don't have to

every I here.

And Peter kept on, he said, and the writers and everyone looked at me like

like the feeble uncle.

They're just like, you know, just kind of, you know, humoring here. And they

were so right.

to keep pushing because we wouldn't have had Tony Dalton. And it would have

been, the whole universe would have been poorer for it. So, Peter, what is the,

so, my hat is off to you, my friend. Well, thank you. My hat's right back off

you also.

My hair, too.

Yeah, look, Tony is just so special.

And the character.

We just thought it was time to introduce a different kind of Salamanca.

We thought it would be really interesting to see a killer who enjoys

isn't so grim, who kind of has a spring in his step.

And boy, Tony brought it, and he's got charm, and he's got a...

He's joyful. He's probably one of the maybe the happiest character on the

You know, you meet him and he's cooking away and singing and

he's delighted with life. And then he'll kill you if you get in his way. So I

think it was just a really it was, you know, with all these actors, it's a it's

a special alchemy of the role and the actor and the great fun.

of getting to do what we do is that we get to write for these actors and to

up on all the things that they do. And so Tony became kind of the

charming James Bond cartel.

Capo. I mean, it was a flawless performance, too, because he didn't play

the villain.

He went into that mode when he was in that mode and then all smiles the rest

the time. But again, it's sort of a testament to that. And I think we talked

about this when we were doing Talking Bad all those years ago, is that one of

favorite things about what y 'all created.

just something that seems like a throwaway, just a very small detail,

seasons later becomes an entire storyline.

And it's that kind of like respected detail for your audience.

that we get to enjoy that. We get to watch this pay off.

You know, that it wasn't just a throwaway. It actually had depth and

it. We have to take a quick break. But before we do, I'm excited to announce

that you can have the opportunity to take home an actual piece of Better Call

Saul. Sony Pictures is partnering with Prop Store, which is a great auction

house. My wife and I have bought a ton of film and television and movie props

from there.

250 props and costumes from all six seasons of Better Call Saul. Go to

.com. slash Better Call Saul.

You can register and see a preview of what will be available.

We have a handful of items that are around the set that will be available as

part of the auction as well, including Hector Salamanca's bell, which would be

amazing. We have a tequila bottle stopper. We have Jimmy's second best

mug. There's a ton of stuff.

So bidding starts August 18th. A portion of the proceeds will be donated to

local Albuquerque charities.

Make sure to check it out for your chance to take home a piece of pop

Coming up, more interviews with the cast and producers. But first, here's

Jonathan Banks on what portraying Mike Ehrmantraut has meant to him. Check it

out.

Mike Ehrmantraut's a pretty great character.

I like Mike a lot.

What are my feelings as this comes to an end?

I don't think I'll know what my emotions are until a month, a year

after.

Right now, I'm ready to go home.

ready to put it to bed with a lot of gratitude.

Oh, my God, a lot of gratitude.

And that will choke me up.

You hear guys saying, I'm the luckiest guy in the world.

I would like to remind you that's sincere, not on just my part, but a lot

the people who are saying it.

To the point you can't take it in, it's so lucky.

It's an emotional moment for me inside to let a character go and, in this case,

been so blessed to have him come back.

in a different incarnation slightly, so it gives me something else to play.

I was talking to Tony Dalton. We were talking about how blessed we are to have

been in a situation with such great creators. For an actor, it's all about

writing and where the character goes and how it is very meticulously put

together. And then the other part of letting go, this is the family of

filmmakers. There's no actor on the show who I have not enjoyed working with.

It's a difficult one to let go of because the longer you're in the

whether you're actor, director, stunt person, when you have an experience that

is somehow so very special and it's indescribable in words, you mark it. You

feel it. It's an energetic feeling that you never want to forget.

Welcome back to Talking Saul.

That was Giancarlo Esposito. And also, a huge hand for Giancarlo Esposito,

please.

That's amazing.

And now it is my pleasure to introduce our featured fan.

Please welcome Radova from Bordeaux, France.

Hi, Radova, how are you?

Hi, I'm doing great.

Thanks so much for having me.

And I have a question, and the question is for Ray.

Are there any plans to exhibit the amazing artwork you've made for the

Okay, Radha, let's talk about the artwork behind you. Is this your

Yes, these are mine.

That's incredible.

Okay, I think we need to plan your exhibition, not mine.

Thank you, thank you. Did you do artwork for the show, Ray?

Yes, Kim's bedroom has...

Bird paintings above the bed in the condo that are my actual paintings. They

two paintings collaged together.

And let's see, the bedroom, sorry, the bathroom has one

of sheets and the living room has two, an owl and a woman laying on her back

with her legs crossed.

And if you're looking at the condo at the couch, the left wall.

uh bookcase that painting uh how she's laying i duplicated no one will know

but i duplicated now you will um when uh the episode that um i was allowed to

direct and had a glorious time doing 604 uh when jimmy is describing pulling the

sign out of the cement uh i duplicated the posture if anyone ever saw it it's

kim laying in the exact same position as the drawing that i did on the other

side of the wall Oh, my God. That's fantastic.

That is a hell of an Easter egg.

Raghava, I want to thank you so much for your question. As you can see in the

background, these incredible portraits he has made for the cast and creators.

And he actually had sent some of his artwork.

We were going to have it here so it could be given as gifts to you all, but

got stuck in customs.

But we will get it, and we will get them to you. We will make sure that those

portraits arrive.

Your artwork is stunning. Thank you so much for your question, and thank you

being a fan.

Thank you. It was a pleasure. Thank you.

LongLiveCinema on Instagram says, Bob, what do you think is the most dangerous

trait of Saul Goodman?

His excitement and interest in being, you know, he gets too carried away with

his plots and plans.

And that's the problem. He just, he's a good guy deep down.

He's so happy to have plans and to make them complicated.

This is the great shopping crime in the mall, you know.

It reminds me of Tom Sawyer. I mean, I don't know if you guys ever intended for

that, but Saul's complicated plans, which seem sometimes too unnecessarily

complicated, reminds me of... Tom Sawyer and like, you know, Huck Finn, you're

going to be an old widow and I'm going to be a little girl. I'm going through

the window.

Why don't you just open the window and go, you don't have to put on a dress.

But it's just his excitement, his exuberance gets him into trouble and

makes things worse because he takes it too far. He can't get out of his own

We have to take a quick break. When we come back, more interviews with the cast

and producers. We'll be right back with more Talking Soul.

Welcome back to Talking Saul. I'm back with Vince, Peter, Bob, and Ray.

All right. So we have three minutes and 40 seconds before this is done. And then

there's another episode left. So I want to try to encapsulate as best we can.

It's going to be a tall order. How should fans prepare themselves for the

episode next week?

Buy stock up and depend.

Stock up and depend.

It's a big one. I can't say how great it is because I didn't write it and I

didn't direct it. It depends on you. You name check a lot of brands. And I never

get paid for any of them.

We are not getting enough free mayonnaise or diapers.

Now it's people riding the tram at the Albuquerque airport, eating mayonnaise,

crying, and then crapping their pants. You need it because it goes right

you. Ray,

how would you describe the series finale in three words? Could you even do that?

You can't leave that to me.

As always, we can't spoil anything.

I think it is one of the most, and I've watched many of my favorite series, and

it's such a hard, hard job to do.

My hat off.

I have multiple hats I'm taking off right now to Peter.

And just wrapping this whole thing up, it's so thoughtful. It's so respectful

the intelligence level of our fans.

Heart level of our fans. It tugged at my heart. I'm still thinking about the

ending. I can't wrap it up in three words. My apologies.

That's fine.

Bob, rather than asking the three -word question, someone asked a social media

question.

He can do that. You want to answer it? Okay, go ahead. Hard -won truth. Do it.

You do it.

Hard won truth. Hard won truth. You so prepared that.

I literally prepared that while you were bumpering around for years.

Bumpering? What century is this?

Thank you for the bumpering.

Someone asked on social media, do you see Saul as a tragic character?

Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah, because he knows he's got a good sense of what's

right. And he can't help himself.

And that's tragic.

I also feel like the worst thing is he can't let go of things. You've got to be

able to let go of things.

And that's his biggest flaw, I'd say.

How are you feeling, the finale, being a week away, this journey that started so

many years ago?

I can't believe it. I can't believe we're almost done.

I'm super proud of the... I hope people...

Find somebody who will let you hang on to them and grab them. And that's how

should watch the finale.

Yeah, I'm excited for people to see it, but I can't believe it's almost over.

Well, I always gush about how much I respect you for what you've done and for

what you've built and how you, you know. And Bob, for what you've done to take

this character from the other show and then spin him off into this whole other

character with depth to see the other side of the wall from the other show.

as pie.

And watching all of you do amazing work and your careers blossom, it's just, I'm

a fan of you both professionally and personally, and I want to thank you so

much. much for making this incredible show. Thanks. Next week is the series

finale of Better Call Saul. My guests have been Vince Gilligan, Peter Gould,

Odenkirk, and the wonderful Ray Sehorne. I hope you win all the Emmys. And I

want to say congratulations.

To everyone else, the rest of the incredible path and crew on this amazing

journey. You should also be so proud. Also, Better Call Saul fans, thank you

showing up and enjoying the ride. I can't wait to see how this wraps up.

That's the series finale next Monday, August 15th on AMC and AMC+. Stay safe.

Take care of each other.

I'm Chris Hardwick. I'll see you in the fall for Walking and Talking Dead. Bye

-bye.