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Hello, everyone. Today is October 15th, and this is our session number six of
the WICA practical course.
I thought that all of the sessions so far kind of had a very positive
feedback.
Maybe we have missed some of the material here and there, but except for
feel like um all of the feedback was really positive so we'll we'll try to
some of the uh some of the material that you guys are interested just you know
keep reminding me please uh just because a lot is going into the one class as
you could see i mean like each class has maybe like what 30 not 20 slides at
least or something like this
So I could definitely include some of the material, just need a reminder.
Okay, today, bias game as usual, anatomy of the trade.
We have kind of like a dilemma there, so let's solve it.
Q &As, we have a bunch today.
Market update, I thought that, you know, let's just go through that as well.
We're going to continue our discussion on effort versus results, specifically
the concept of synchronicity.
And with that, we are going to do a quick exercise there on bias.
And then we're going to continue our action sequence exercise as well.
As usual, all of our classes are for educational purposes.
All right, well, let's go into the bias game. I actually was not.
that disappointed with your results, guys.
And the reason why is because this was a tough one.
This was probably one of those where
you see both, and I think one of you in your emails wrote this,
or something to this regard, where the volume signature goes down and both
supply and demand goes down as well.
and you kind of have this structure that looks like a horizontal reaccumulation,
but then it means completely opposite thing.
So I want to know what was the difficulty except for that, and I wonder
guys could maybe write it down really quickly and tell me what were the issues
with this chart working with this.
And I'm giving you right away the definition, you know, of the downside
distribution.
I just want to approach this maybe from a slightly different perspective. And
maybe we could have a discussion here. Maybe somebody wants to step in and just
say, like, okay, I thought that this was this.
And then let's look into how is it that, you know, we could observe it in a
different way or give it a different meaning.
So let me know quickly, and while you're thinking, guys, here. So a couple of
interesting spots here.
When we have the supply coming in on the change of character, it kind of
gives out a clue on the next sign of weakness right here, this whole area.
At least I thought that that was a little bit of a giveaway.
are early on in the trading ranges to what kind of buys we're going to have.
It comes on a lot of supply.
It stays very heavy relative to the previous averages.
And then it increases again once the price goes down.
So usually we would like to see the deterioration of selling.
Like we're seeing it, let's say, from here to here to here.
And we could see first acceleration and then
de -acceleration of the supply signature.
Something like this.
So that would suggest some kind of rally.
Rally fails here, so whatever demand comes in,
it's probably still has capacity to lift the price, but this Higher than
average volume signature probably suggests that supply is there.
And if supply is heavy, then we're going to have another reaction and it comes
on increased volume signature. So this action right here is a little bit more
complex and suggests that supply is available and there was a lot of
After that, that's when you kind of...
have to take this maybe as a guidance, right? So why is it so much supply
here?
Substantial increase of the supply.
And there is a progression to the downside with the lower law right here.
So if you would be thinking that the buyers for you tentatively
And that's kind of like my message to you, more advanced Wyckoffians.
You have to create some kind of hypothesis as to what bias this is by
the chart, price, volume, momentum, sentiment,
duration.
And as you form this hypothesis, you really should not care what this
is.
Because the market truly will tell you whether this hypothesis is right or it's
wrong.
And in both cases, whether it's right or your hypothesis is right or wrong, you
can still initiate the position.
Because on the failed signal, this is the signal that in technical analysis is
one of the best signals. When you thought one thing was showing...
and then it turned out to be a completely different thing.
So we'll talk about this a little bit more.
Okay,
I forgot what I wanted to write down here.
Okay, so after this increase of the supply, what do we have? Kind of that
of inactivity where the rally does not have a lot of volume signature.
So something has happened here, and then they
just went away, and they became inactive.
What did they do here? What is it in the price that we see? Well, quite a lot of
selling waves, and obviously the volume shows that supply
signature. We also could judge that...
By not overcoming previous support, which is the preliminary supply here,
that much, it suggested that we're going to have a rally. It suggested that we
might still consolidate.
It suggested that there is still some demand at this place as well. So that
demand observed whatever possible supply was available, and there is no more
demand to push the price up. So price kind of drifts up.
It's more of a technical rally that we are observing.
And technical rally always is going to be associated with the weak hands
volume signature.
Kind of like this. The lower volume signature dull and the movement is going
be not with a lot of momentum. So you could see in the spread even how, except
for maybe... couple of bars, everything else is kind of like small movements,
small movements.
Well, if we miss this, then definitely this probably should catch our
attention.
And in which way, by the way? Well, we definitely see down spread
increase.
We have big spreads to the downside.
We see that velocity has increased, momentum increased to the downside,
volatility in general increased.
And we also see that this is the largest reaction.
It's bigger than the one from the bind climax.
The largest reaction.
It also had an intent to commit to the downside, didn't really do that, we're
still on this line right here, but it definitely tried.
It tried to do so on smaller volume, relative to what we've seen, let's say
or here.
So smaller effort.
And we quickly go to the same price level to the same support.
So some kind of ease of movement in the way how price moves to the downside
requires less effort.
But yet everything is so aggressive. So you're still thinking here probably
bearish. Or if you haven't seen this before, then this should be a little bit
a concern.
Because of how the price moves really quickly through the trading range.
The test suggests a rally.
And now here is a great opportunity for us to judge the rally against its
previous predecessor, this rally right here.
And we could see that both rallies have the same characteristics.
We see that the volume signature is extremely low. It's even lower on the
rally. We see that the price spread to the upside, those momentum bars, are
decreasing in size.
So that suggests that there is not a lot of buying.
And if we see an occasional volume signature increase,
you know, it doesn't produce big momentum bars.
So that buying is of poor quality. That buying is not of the aggressive
institutional quality.
And we kind of anticipate that we're going to have a lower high.
If this is a lower high, then we're going to have a higher high as an
a change of character.
in a big decline, a lower high on diminishing volume
characteristics, it's probably showing us that the demand is of such poor
quality that the price is just going to start drifting down, and it does.
But not only that, the price also increases supply characteristics on the
down. So that gives us, again, this idea of the ease of movement.
where maybe supply does not increase so much, but the price still moves to the
downside. Last rally has minimal demand behind it, and just on the
definition of the demand presence and how this demand
diminishes throughout these rallies, you can build a case for the distribution.
I want to reiterate something and then we'll go to questions.
I was thinking a lot and kind of, you know, deeply about what would be the
easiest way for students to go through the
bias game.
I mean, what is that algorithm as to how we define the bias and how that
bias changes?
And I think I'm very close to that definition. And usually, guys, you kind
help me out. When I throw out some ideas, you come back to me. You give me
other ideas, you know, suggestions and so on and so forth. So I'm sure we're
going to find a solution here.
Here is what I'm alluding to.
I think that the main thing in the Wyckoff story, and that's kind
of very interesting how we chose this name, Wyckoff story.
we're kind of saying that there is a story that is unfolding. A story is
unfolding. So through this unfolding of a Wyckoff story, we want to see the
changes and we want to change our bias with those changes.
So we were in the uptrend here first.
It's a very easy bias for us to identify.
And then we see how the character of the next reaction
changes the bias for us, and now it's to the downside.
The rally really confirms more of a bearish bias than a bullish bias.
The next reaction still confirms a bearish bias.
Test suggests a rally, but rally itself still confirms a bearish bias.
Reaction confirms the bearish bias.
and then the rally confirms the bearish bias, and we are going into the trend or
the downtrend with the confirmed story.
And sometimes that story could change really quickly from
one structure to another or mini structure
in the trading range. But if you would follow that story from one swing to
another,
then you should logically come to the conclusion on the bias by the end of
And I think that that's what kind of like I'm alluding to when I'm saying
maybe this would be the best way to go about defining the bias. And you could
through the story multiple times. Sometimes I want to look only at the
and I'm saying, okay, I'm going to compare this rally to this rally to this
rally and then to this rally.
Then I'm going to compare.
only supply, and I'm going to compare all of these reactions that they have.
Then I'm going to look at the whole formation, and I'm going to look at the
structure, and I'm going to try to define where my phases are, and just
try to figure out also structurally maybe some scenarios are not
materializing. So for instance, maybe I was thinking that this is phase C. Well,
after phase C, we should have a sign of strength and this doesn't look like a
sign of strength by the character nor by the result of it and so on so forth
all right let's look at some questions
simon
i'm great grateful that you could be here in this in this class i know that
can't attend this session so We'll try to answer as many of your questions as
possible. The low, low where you have secondary test labeled.
Low, low secondary test.
Is it this chart right here, Simon?
Or was it a different chart?
This low, low right here?
Yes, okay.
The low, low, how do we not mistake this for accumulation buying
at the bottom of the trading range support price at the low, low?
Yeah, and the same here, by the way, right?
Here is that thing. Remember, we were going through this synchronicity, right?
So we were saying as the price goes up, there is this force.
in the increased selling that comes and produces stopping action.
And then after this, because this is kind of like a
big energy event,
both of the forces are exhausted, so we're gonna see that both supply and
are gonna diminish.
in their signatures.
And it's usually because of the diminished supply characteristic that
we're going to have some kind of mini or substructure,
however you want to call this.
And this mini structure is going to have elements that are going to be
reaccumulation type of elements.
What are those?
Higher lows, sometimes higher highs.
And then we are going to see how the volatility is going to diminish. Because
that decrease of volatility and the stop
in action, we're going to have some kind of rally. Another way of thinking about
this is think about big institutions.
They're getting out of the positions. What do they do?
Sell, sell,
sell, sell, sell, sell, sell, sell, sell, sell
again, sell again, stop selling.
That's when they stop selling, this happens.
And then if they stop selling in the stock that was moving with a lot of
momentum and was the outperformer,
A lot of this is going to materialize in an attempt to continue the uptrend.
And that's what we're seeing in that rally.
And that's how the whole distribution is unfolding. It's not necessarily going
to unfold on one bar or on two bars.
in a very quick phase. It's gonna take some time for them to get rid of their
positions.
Where do they sell again?
Where do they start selling again?
Well, they're selling a little bit here at the resistance, very natural spot for
mean reversion trades, for short selling trades, and so on and so forth.
And then they're selling really heavily into this rally.
And then on the way down.
And then again, somebody's picking up the value, short term value.
And then after that, where do they sail again? They come as they start sailing
somewhere here.
And all of this kind of like on the way down.
And then late institutional capitulation happens here. You could see that from
the volume signature.
So these are the institutions that are giving up at the last
cliffhanger moment.
They see that the performance is starting to deteriorate.
And in this particular case, utilities were outperforming the market for
quite some time in 2007 and then in 2008 as well.
It was the whole market they started to capitulate.
And they are starting to capitulate into the climax of the market.
So kind of like an overall deterioration of the market, even utilities can't
escape. All right, guys, what else?
Other questions.
I was thinking the change of character came in phase B before the minus sign of
weakness.
I can see it does look somewhat different after the buying climax,
are including the volume and supply increase after the buying climax is also
part of the change of character as well.
Okay, so Sharon is saying, Sharon, I think that you're basically saying that
this looked like a change of character, right?
The big reaction in the middle.
rather than the one before, and would that mean that you would be thinking
this is a buying climax right here, and this whole thing here is distribution?
Is that how, yeah, okay, yes, okay, great.
I actually think that this is a very valid point.
And I would naturally go with this because sometimes we have those things
we're going to have a climactic run, then we're going to have this
distributional type where bind climax and upthrust are kind of going to match
little bit in where they happen and how they happen. So I kind of see it here.
And usually this distribution would be more...
for a potential reaccumulation and kind of like a continuation to the upside.
Here, this is slightly different because we could see that in this structure,
there is a lot of selling.
So that's why we have to combine these two together because
it kind of shows us where this selling happens.
And it happens not at the same time, just gradually with time.
And we have to go through all of those swings.
And the hardest part of it is just to make sure that we
see how the swing ends and we see how the swing begins.
And we'll talk about the significant bars today again. So that's going to be
important for us.
Okay, another question. How do we not get confused with rally?
with the increased effort versus a rally, which is the ease of movement.
Okay, well, which rally was what we're talking about? Probably this one, right?
So we're talking about a rally.
Well, I would say probably we usually, Simon, would be thinking about the rally
that would have diminished volume characteristics, right? Or let's say
diminishing demand.
Or we're going to be talking about the ease of movement, a rally that would
the same characteristics, right? So that rally also would have the
characteristics of the volume decrease and with that demand decrease.
I think that's the question, right?
So the very simplistic answer to this is this.
Always think of the ease of movement as an
action that expands the result.
Where there is some kind of commitment and that result is being shown through
this commitment.
So we could have, for instance, a rally.
If this rally right here would stay above the resistance and would show the
commitment to be above that resistance, then we would say that this volume
signature was an ease of movement.
But it fails in the upthrust manner.
And that's kind of like the logic of it.
So when we look into this rally right here and...
the volume is diminishing we cannot say that this is an ease of movement rally
because it doesn't do really in anything uh except for maybe like a temporary
commitment above this high right here but on this sloping range it doesn't
do that it doesn't commit above the the actual slope so
therefore there is no commitment
there is no ease of movement and this is more of the weak hands uh poor demand
and that's the big difference so
hopefully guys you know you'll remember this
Would it be fair to say that the ease of movement would need an initial energy
effort to start the trend with an ease of movement continuing path based on its
existing momentum?
That's an interesting question. Usually, you know, each movement is going to be
associated with something, right, with some kind of technical catalyst. For
instance, there is some buying.
that observes the supply and the price starts to go up.
And even though, let's say, we might be talking about this rally because this is
the rally that produces this conversation, so a smaller volume
look what has happened before.
There is still absorption here.
It's absorption by weak hands, but still it's an absorption.
So there is something that...
precedes the rally itself.
So I would say that it probably could start in different ways.
It could have the initial momentum or it could be just an absorption that starts
the rally like that.
All right, great.
Let's jump to the next segment. This is your next bias game.
Yeah, I'm just looking at this chart.
It's going to be probably difficult.
I'll make sure that we have maybe much clearer charts in the
future.
Not my favorite, but still, let's go through this. Same exercise.
So let's do this. And by the way, guys, I want you to record your BIOS games.
the score how many out of how many because at the end of the semester we're
gonna have our uh you know i'm gonna ask you to email me your score so please
keep it let's talk about the markets really quick um
so i think that you know last time we were somewhere here
right here yeah on this red bar
So the key was not to penetrate these lows and obviously
not these lows.
And as we are seeing the change, how does the change happen?
This bar right here, it actually committed to the downside.
The close was below the last significant bar that committed above.
the last bar to the downside.
So we have a down movement, an up movement, a down movement,
and then this bar reverses the previous bar, an up movement.
So if we're not being caught up with an idea of like going after each swing,
then this looks like a test and this looks like a failed screen.
which we would label as last point of support, and all of the bars that are
coming out of this area, out of the higher low, are momentum bars.
Now what's interesting is the volume signature is not supporting that
in terms of like, oh, there is not enough bind.
My argument to that would be there was a lot of bind right here, and then this
higher low is just a function of the smaller selling pressure.
right now so therefore whatever absorption
happened here in this at this level we don't need to have uh such a strong
demand presence to push the price up and
if the price would commit above let's say this level this cluster
Then we would be talking about the ease of movement.
We would say the price is moving on deteriorating volume signature, on
decreasing volume signature, but yet it's progressing to the upside and
committing above the
specific levels.
that we identify here as the resistance so that would be definitely that ease of
movement all right what else are we looking at um so we were discussing
this in wmd and then suddenly i don't know why we were discussing phase c here
um i later returned to this uh chart and i was like um that was a great
call right here to the downside uh why are we even talking about accumulation
here if we're still in the downtrend that's what i was talking with students
yesterday in wtc so this reminds me a little bit of this kind of like again
inactivity selling and inactivity meaning that institutions are out they
not buyers there nobody's buying there so i think it's just going to drift and
then it's going to break again to the downside
The original goal that I had there goes to around 5 ,000.
So let's just see if that's going to materialize. Oil is very finicky and
interesting as kind of like a puzzle, a challenge here, because it
feels that the character of the move to the downside had characteristics that
were bullish.
High or low suggested a reversal.
Reversal has happened. And then on the news, price goes down again. It doesn't
really go down that much. But, you know, we want to see the lift, and there is
no lift here. So I would be kind of very cautious about that market.
Gold also just short -term have objectives to the downside.
That's in line with the market's rally.
and some of the gold trades that were on the upside are going to unwind. I think
all of this speculation should go away before we're going to see the next big
move. A lot of the central banks were buying.
And I think a lot of the, I was just thinking, why would the central banks
lot of gold? Well, for a lot of reasons. But I think with the situation with
tariffs is basically suggesting
A lot of the manipulation and wars with currencies.
So your most stable asset is always gold because this is the asset where
investors by default go in the time of the crisis. The more you own that,
the more stable your currency could be.
Kind of like that again, gold standard.
And therefore, central banks are buying a lot of gold.
um so um if they bought in if we're looking at the big picture right if they
bought in and let me just do this let's
let's look at gold for a second so
if there were bars on the way up and we see kind of uh they
probably not even Most
likely, they've been buying as a program
for quite some time, all throughout 2016, 17, 18, and 19.
And they just accelerated their buying.
But what I want to say that in this rally, you clearly could see where
speculation started to take place.
Probably somewhere here.
This is a very speculative volume signature increase.
So all of this speculation has to get out of the system.
So that supports the idea that we might have lower prices in gold
for the short term being something like this, maybe like into this area right
here.
And that would take all of these speculators out of their positions. They
be closing their positions.
And on that capitulation, so we have to have maybe like a day or two where gold
is going to be in the news and gold is going to be doubted as that favorable
position, that's when the big operators are going to come in and that liquidity
will allow them to get into the more meaningful position.
Looks a little bit bearish here, right? But at the same time,
yeah, look at this. Lower highs, sign of weakness.
Lower high again.
And it's just breaking to the downside.
And it's breaking both on the diminution supply and diminution demand.
But because there is a change of character right here, the bias is to the
downside.
or consolidation in, so that's what it's doing.
All right.
Okay, great. Let's come back.
Yeah, this is something that I tweeted out today.
I was thinking about tweeting it out, you know, like even on Friday. I
made this on Saturday, I think, or on Sunday.
but wanted to see the news on tariffs on Monday, so delayed this, but
this was kind of like a Friday close, not Monday close.
The idea here is just to look at the whole formation and to see if
we could time the entry and this latest reaccumulation. How do we
do that?
Well, we need to have the original count, which is the campaign count.
And in this case, I'm taking the most conservative count for the large
structure. And the most conservative count is going to be in phase C, from
C to phase A.
So it's always going to be at the lows. And when you have a shakeout, it's going
to have this.
weird shape.
So it's almost like, what am I measuring?
But you're measuring this whole formation.
You could also measure it from the test. Test happened here slightly higher.
So this would be also another count that you could have.
47 boxes with one point reversal. And please note, I've defined the
user scale myself.
I didn't allow
the ATR to define the scale because ATR defined the scale of 36
points per box, which I thought was a little bit too much.
How did I define the box size of 25?
Well, the rule here is very easy. At least, you know, I kind of have this
shortcut rule which I use just looking at the price.
I look at the chart. We are somewhere in the middle of 2 ,500.
So 1 % move of that is going to be 25 points.
And it's just easier this way. So box size 25,
reversal 1.
And then we have 47 boxes times 25 boxes,
1 ,175.
And we put this on the line, on the 23 .50 line, and we get the price
of 35 .25.
I think it's a very different move for us from here.
This is going to be, what, more than 10%. And
I'm just thinking about the timing.
So the timing mechanism works like this.
When you have the original target, which is 3525,
you need to create in the reaccumulation,
in the confirming count, the same number of boxes
that would cover
the count in such way that would bring it to the same objective, 3 ,500.
So we could back engineer it when we can say, okay, well, if, for instance, we
need to get to 3 ,500 on S &P in this reaccumulation, how many columns
would we need to create?
Well, we need about 24 columns, and that's exactly where we are right now.
From the last point of the support,
to the change of character where supply has increased and showed us you know
some you know elements of the supply uh we need 24 boxes and that those 24 boxes
materialize so that gives us the timing and it basically tells us that if this
is the reaccumulation it should be completed by this time and the price
leave the trading range that's the only timing mechanism that we have with PNF.
And it's just so nicely kind of like showing in today's market. Hopefully we
are right on the bias.
So we'll see how that's going to go.
Trade count, we are taking this formation right here. I already shown,
the LPS and change of character points.
Here we have the possibility to take the maximum and minimum because we have two
count lines, 2750 and 2900, 24
boxes times 25, 600, 3350 and 35.
So here are your two confirming counts.
One is from their regional zone, from their regional trading range, and then
another one on the backing up action of it, which acts as the reaccumulation.
And I think that there is another one. So tomorrow in WMD, I'm going to show
guys a different count, which could
take us all the way through this formation. So kind of like interesting
if there is anything there.
On the labeling.
Any questions on the label? And I kind of tried to stay at the higher level.
Stopping action, phase A with both tests. So kind of like would even say
that this is phase A, phase B, phase C, sign of strength,
backing up action. So everything seems to be logical, at least for now, until
it's broken.
Arvin is asking.
StockCharts does not allow annotation.
What do you use to annotate this PNF?
Well, I just take StockCharts, as you could see.
I copy -paste it to Paintbrush or
PowerPoint, and that's where I
manipulate the image.
So that's all. That's all to that.
All right.
Okay, great.
Now let's talk about the sand power because I even don't remember, guys,
specifically what did we say. I think that we said that the stop loss is going
to be slightly below $10. Am I correct?
Do I remember this correctly?
You kind of have to keep record on this for me.
and by the way here ronnie is showing us that exactly that idea right so we're
looking at 10 boxes box size um half a dollar uh and then it takes us
to the target of 10.
um well of course i mean like if it's a target of 10 then probably the stop loss
should be somewhere lower but it did go actually let me just see where
what was the lowest
it did go to maybe like nine something, 9 .10, 9 .20.
So I think that it would take us out just even on this bar right here or on
the bars below that.
And here is a very interesting question.
I mean, if, let's say, if you wouldn't be in this position,
how would you think about this stock? That's number one.
Secondly, where do you think in the formation we are?
Thirdly, if you know where we are in the formation and the structure, then what
would be the action here?
And fourthly, with the trade that we had, what was the mistake?
So let's address those issues maybe like one by one.
Let's start with this. Where do you think, guys, we are in the price cycle?
for this stock.
And we've talked, and you could just kind of like tell me.
Okay, so if this is the price cycle, where do you think we are?
Accumulation.
Distribution.
Okay, Sharon is saying still in the downtrend. Well, Sharon, we're probably,
what, talking about this downtrend right here?
so this is very short term right so i'm going to say in the distribution okay uh
yes we were okay and like both of you are right because if we look at the
short term right we're going to say yes we are in the downtrend like sharon was
saying and we could say that well partially we are in the distributional
formation with that is short term
Ricky's saying distribution,
Francis is saying long term looks still like a backing up action.
Yes, so the long term, and this is just a short term chart, the long term looks
like this.
And we did just this.
So we had phase C, we had a major sign of strength, and we are in the backing
action right now.
So let's define where we are in the price cycle first.
We are probably somewhere here.
Where would we observe that major sign of strength?
We probably observe it in the emergence of the trend quadrant, right?
So therefore, we are somewhere at the beginning of the trend.
Institutions got in into the stock. They own the supply of the stock.
And right now, backing up action is happening.
How is this backing up action is unfolding.
That's what we are trying to figure out. And then based on that, that's how we
should be thinking about our trades.
Well, we see that we have a very definitive buying climax.
into the major sign of strength high.
Then we have a distributional top.
And then, what do you think, guys, this is?
This reaction?
How would we label that?
Because you're thinking about the distribution here, but i want you to
okay so i'm going to relabel this and i'm going to say this whole thing here
this range is the bind climax trading range then
this reaction would be labeled how and what is it
yes
automatic reaction exactly
Remember that pattern in the reaccumulation?
We're going into the climactic action.
Then we're going to have like a small distributional top.
Then we're going to have some kind of shakeout, like a downtrend, which is
to be our automatic reaction, and then a consolidation.
Out of that consolidation, then we're going to have a resumption of the trend.
So I think that maybe that's what's kind of like happening here.
We were in this small distributional top that suggested to move to the downside.
Here's this move.
Look at how the volume signature is just diminishing.
There's no progression to the downside.
I think that there is some kind of exhaustion of selling.
We had our last momentum kickoff was...
up to this area right here so we are right in that zone where um you know
should be some kind of stop in action uh and we see that but still
short -term weakness is still there both on the relative from the momentum or in
price and we are probably somewhere here
so you could see how
we would be thinking that in the bigger price cycle, which is at the beginning
of the trend, we're just going through a potential reaccumulation as a backing
up action.
And then in the backing up action, we are probably still on a change of
character going into the automatic rally phase.
So from this point of view, think about the trades that are available to us.
Those trades are...
probably gonna be what? We are either opening the trade here with an
that this could be a low, a low in this whole backing up action. And then we are
willing to go through this backing up action and we are okay.
Or we could go for a short -term trade.
which would be a secondary test trade into the highs.
Something like this. And I think that from here, especially if the price would
stop here and would start going up, you could have a small causality to push the
price in an attempt to retest 14, 15, 16 bucks.
So I think only those trades are available here. A low probability trade.
To the downside, after such strong accumulation pattern, is a low
trade. It might happen, but we'll probably catch a lot of people off
And then if that happens,
we most definitely, like if the price goes down and then some of the people
were buying on the way up, what are they going to do? They're going to start
capitulating. So here, that capitulation would be quite intense.
But we see that selling is diminishing, so our expectation is that there's gonna
be an attempt to go up.
And as it happens, we need to make a judgment.
Does it have a lot of momentum behind it to sustain the trend, or at least to
sustain the rally, let's say to 14, 15, and so on and so forth.
But don't we observe significant bars that make the automatic
reaction be earlier in the chart?
Don't we observe significant parts that make automatic earlier be earlier in the
chart? What do you mean, Simon?
Here is our significant bar as the reversal of this close,
this, this,
and then we probably would combine this too.
Then this one right here.
You can combine these two. So you would be still in the downswing at this point,
and you would be thinking any type of bar that closes above 10 would be a
reversal type of bar. That would suggest that the downswing is done and that we
could potentially go up.
Here is the question. Why is the automatic reaction so late in the chart
the buying climax?
Okay, well, that's the thing.
Formations, right? So how do they form? How does the price movement stops?
It stops on the bars that have some kind of selling present
behind them.
And we definitely see that in these bars that I've highlighted here. All of
these bars have those characteristics where they are making the new high,
breaking to the upside of, let's say, either a long -term or just a local
breakout.
And they have...
volume spikes behind them that suggest that there is supply signature behind
those bars.
So we are identifying where the selling starts
into the distributional pattern, and we're just saying that this whole thing
just that distributional trading range that has elements of selling
into the strength, and then that stops the whole move to the downside.
So on its own, it's a substructure, it's like a mini structure.
So we want to recognize that.
And we would label this as a buying climax trading range or something like
But it could have its own structure, buying climax, automatic reaction,
secondary test, sign of weakness, up thrust, and you could... have it like
phase c but then this downtrend is going to be a part of a large instruction by
buying climax trading range automatic reaction
yes simon it's its own mini
structure yeah
okay can we look at
the weekly chart sure
Okay, really quickly and then we're gonna go from
there.
By the way, here is a daily. You don't have to see weekly.
Just condense all of the data and you could see the whole structure. So we're
sitting exactly on this levels that we've had before in the price structure.
So I would say that if you're thinking that the price is going to be somewhere
here in the future, so future value, then this probably presents a very
interesting, unique opportunity to get into the position, probably something
like this, where we have a lot of momentum to the downside.
I mean, if the price recovers and then goes to that level, it probably would be
the lowest point here, and that's how...
the stride of the trend probably would be created something like that and then
acceleration is going to happen in this area um but we need to see some kind of
reversal out of this area and you know around nine ten dollars all right great
think we're done with this right guys for today okay great
um other questions
Okay, so let's see. What is the time? Four o 'clock. Yeah, we're still okay.
When you discuss mean reversion traders, you advise that they would usually
trade around the overbought, oversold regions of a trend line or a trend
channel. In the chart below, would you say that there would be two groups of
mean reversion traders?
those that use the horizontal trend channel and those that use down sloping
trend channel. Okay, so right away, Simon, I think I'm going to kind of like
stop this discussion right here.
I think what they're using is a mean reversion
channel. They want to understand statistically how the price deviates.
above or below the mean.
So in this case, we're still seeing the downtrend.
So therefore, our mean is gonna be somewhere here.
So whenever the price hits the support, it's gonna be an oversold condition.
And whenever the price hits the resistance, it's gonna be an overbought
condition. So every time it comes to the resistance, they're gonna sell.
Every time it comes to the support, they're going to buy.
And that strategy is just going to be in and out, in and out. And then don't
forget that when I say the mean reversion, I don't necessarily mean a
group of traders.
I mean a specific group of traders that use this strategy.
This group could consist of different type of institutions, professional
traders, but also just money managers.
And money managers, they are inclined to take the profit at the points of
extreme.
So overbought, oversold conditions obviously would be very favorable.
Now, having said this, this is definitely more of, you know, if
institutions are trading here, those are professional types, you know, because
we're looking at Aussie and U .S. dollar.
And this is a smaller timeframe.
So it's all of the trading around the needs of the importers, exporters that
need the specific currency on a specific day and so on and so forth.
And technical traders definitely would use linear regression there.
Okay.
Okay, so this here we're going to discuss in the November special,
about the momentum.
So probably let's talk about it there.
Okay, next question.
Okay, I've identified the breakout bar and the associated backing up
action.
However, I'm a little bit confused as to whether the next white spread bar an
increased volume buying climax okay um is
actually a buying climax or a continuation of the price up move of
this one right here and then this one right here okay um so
this
This bar came right here.
So we are still, what did we do here from this treatment range? And see, it's
little bit of a limited data that you're giving me here, Simon. So I might be
completely off here, but from what I see, I would say that this is the sign
strength. This is a backing up action right here. This is the breakout of the
backing up action.
And then the next bar definitely could be a buying climax.
But you have to consider different factors. You have to consider how long
causality have you had to have such a short advancement.
So I think that the key here, if you're not sure as to what
kind of,
where reversal potentially,
or rather where the trend could stop.
I would just use a trailing stop loss.
And it seems like, you know, this particular pair allows you to do so on
hourly because with the significant bars, you would be moving your stop loss
probably like this.
And you still would be in this position as of the last bar. So this way, you
don't have to think a lot about, oh, you know, it's a buying climax.
type of thing or you could think about this and you could scale out you can
say okay i'm going to scale out like one fourth i'm going to scale out another
one fourth but then half of my position is still going to be on and i would get
out of this last half just based on the trailing stop rather than you know
identification of the buying climax because sometimes when you know we could
early identifying the buying climax and then you're out of the position and i've
been in those moments and you know they're just kind of like not cool all
so uh what else um
okay so i think that b
is kind of like negated because of that as price unfolds in real time
okay um all right so
all of this basically comes to the question of how do we actually analyze a
trading range?
If you're thinking that this is a buy -in climax, then you have to go through
all of the labeling, right? So, and phases. We should have automatic
secondary test, another test in B, another test in B, potential phase C,
and then phase D, something like this. So that's how you would be thinking
that.
All right.
From Dimitri, is it recommended to have positions both long and short, assuming
we found stock in accumulation and distribution?
Very interesting question, more kind of like of the institutional type. Usually
retail traders would have the positions kind of like directionally only in one
direction, not necessarily in two.
So there are so many answers to this question.
I'm going to give you main ideas here.
You could have a definition of your portfolio between
longs and shorts based on
let's say, market context.
So allow the market to define the weight of your long positions against your
short positions. So you could say, for instance, in the
bull market, you could have,
let's say, 100 % exposure
in your loans, and you could have maybe like 10 % exposure in your
shorts. What it means is that you're using the leverage here a little bit,
you can do this even like this, 90 % loans, 10 % shorts, or 5 % shorts.
Because in the bull market, you want to stay with the market itself.
And especially, like I wouldn't be advising, and sometimes I don't quite
understand that.
part of the institutional thinking.
Like, especially in the times like we have right now, where the initial
out of the consolidation, you know, has a push to the upside.
And it's very difficult to find the positions that are going to be having
moments to the downside in a meaningful way.
because those are gonna be more rare in the markets like this.
So I would also be timing it, right? So I would also not only base
it on the market context, but I also would time it
with some kind of momentum characteristics. And we will talk about
November special, where those momentum characteristics come.
at which spots of the trend to sustain the trend.
And at those spots, those are not favorable for short positions.
Short positions are gonna be favorable in the long -term
uptrend structure when you have short -term, let's say,
cyclical weakness.
These are gonna work on
And for sophisticated and advanced retail traders, I actually do advise
for you guys to use hedges.
I constantly hedge my portfolio, not just going to cash, but actually having
some positions and hedging against them. And I could hedge either against the
position itself or I can hedge my full portfolio against the market volatility
in general.
And that's how you sustain your equity line in the times of
market, you know, local volatility.
Also, you could be thinking about the distribution of your loans and
shorts.
So we have based on market context, okay, so you find that.
So when at that time, we would be thinking, okay, yeah, so it's just
the same, yeah.
Whenever we have those type of short -term volatility events in the secular
bull market, that's when we would usually want to hedge.
So for the retail trader, I think it's more useful to stay with the main
trend and then to short when there is an increase in short -term volatility.
That would be my answer to that.
Maybe a few long positions on accumulations and one or two shorts on
distribution to keep the equity curve smoother.
That's the idea, Dmitry, so you're in the right direction here.
Or is it recommended to have position 100 % and think with what we believe the
market is?
So as I said, majority of your position or positions,
majority of your portfolio should be in line with the major trend.
Because that's how we're making the money. Having said this, some pockets in
market are going to have bear markets. Those are going to be rotational markets
where the money are taken out of that specific market. You could definitely
operate there.
You have to coincide it with the major market corrections, though. So that's
main kind of requirement there.
All right.
From Simon, and here a couple of questions on labeling. This is a bias
game chart from two weeks ago, I believe.
Question number one, not sure how to label the WICO phases for this upsloping
trading range.
All right, so not a trading range, Simon.
Just...
I mean, I kind of see the logic here in thinking if you're thinking maybe this
is a bind climax, and then this is an automatic reaction secondary test, B,
B, and then C. So there is some kind of structure to that. But it's not
horizontal. It's not really...
the upslope here is just too much for the trading range,
even upsloping trading range. So I would be thinking that this is still an
uptrend, and I would be thinking that there is a deteriorating momentum
signature on this uptrend. Look at the momentum on this leg, and then look at
how momentum is diminishing, and then it diminishes even more.
So with that, One of the interesting ideas that we're going to explore in the
November special is going to be looking at this momentum, where do you think,
guys, the price should retest as it reacts to the downside?
Probably into the area of the value where before they bought in.
Where did they buy in, where the momentum was present?
So anything below that is a buy.
and you kind of could see how multiple times that was the case, and that
became a reaccumulation.
So that's how they define their value, but we could see from the footsteps on
the chart that there is no bind on this wave, there is no bind on this wave.
We're probably gonna retest this area again.
there are quite a few short positions that we could open here one short is
to be around this area because this is going to be that small distributional
area remember we've talked about this today that buying climax trading
range which is distributional this cause creates the movement to the downside
and change of character happens
And we've seen this today twice, one on bias game chart and one on sun power.
So that's kind of like looks somewhat the same structurally. Let me just come
back really quick.
Again, look at this bind climax and then distributional formation and then
automatic reaction.
distributional formation, automatic reaction, right?
How do we identify the distributional trading range? Is it evident by the
increase in the volume signature?
Well, first of all, I'm looking also kind of like very briefly through the
chart.
identifying the whole trading range right here and thinking, where is my
of character? So here it is. What comes before that? There should be some kind
of climactic run.
I don't see that.
So then if that's not the case, then probably diminished momentum character,
which we see. So this was the last wave.
And then we're seeing how maybe this acts a little bit.
As the buying climax, there is a little bit of the acceleration here.
And then this in between seems to be like a transitional element,
menu structure between the change of character and the conclusion of the
uptrend.
What would it be?
Probably just a small local distribution that leads to the change of character
itself.
And this pattern is actually...
such a repeatable pattern, especially in the reaccumulations.
This is how usually change of character would start after a smaller formation
like this.
All right, so yeah, I definitely would be still thinking that this is an
uptrend. I would be labeling this trading range.
I would be labeling this trading range. I would be labeling this trading range.
We could label definitely this trading range.
We could label this trading range. We could label this trading range.
we can label this trading range.
So as smaller trading ranges, Simon, these are the ones that I would be
labeling.
And then just kind of like from a much larger perspective, bigger
vision, reaccumulation. So we're thinking about three phases, three
tests for us. Test number one, test number two, test number three. And I
that we went through this before.
How do we identify the upslope and downslope and tracking ranges then?
Okay, so if we are thinking about the downslope, in this case, lower lows,
we would do this.
And then we would be thinking major sign of strength.
And then a backing up action.
That would be our downslope.
I don't see any upsloping ranges here, maybe just this one, but this looks more
like an apex, but you could think of this as an upslope.
All right.
The trading range did not evolve. Does it mean that my labeling of buying
automatic rally secondary test was incorrect?
So I think we went through this.
Why does the big supply result?
in a sign of strength rally so shortly afterwards, no trading range was
to absorb the supply, was this a shakeout? So we're talking about this
here. It does have characteristics of a shakeout, but because it commits to the
downside only on one close, and then the price comes back into the trading
range, I probably would put this as a spring.
Just trying to understand the question, Simon.
Why does the big supply result in a sign of strength
rally so shortly afterwards? So why does this action happens very shortly?
Okay, well, I think that we need to kind of like look through the volume
signature here. So obviously not as much volume signature initially, and then
the volatility comes.
So I think it's from this volatility where there is this rotational exchange
between institutions and, you know, from one hand, the stock goes into
other hands.
So once this happens, that's when...
you know, everything resumes, and that's why we're having this rally.
But it's just a little bit too fast, be an overbought, mean reversion, some kind
of volatility here, and that's kind of like what happens.
I would call this a spring timer, not a shakeout.
All right.
Let's talk about something else. We had a conversation about significant bars,
and there is still some questions that are left on this, specifically the
definition of the significant bar. And as I was preparing this slide, I
that I actually do not have a definition, so I'm going to give you one
usually use in the classroom, and maybe you could put it in your notes.
This is more...
the swing reversal mechanism rather than the significant bar itself.
So we'll start with the description.
So what do we want to see? We want to see the bar that has a significant body,
significant spread, big spread.
And you could define that spread by
being above average by a certain percent. So if you're coding,
bar, that would be one of your code definitions.
Then the close, we want to have the close either above or below one half of
spread. So obviously for the up bar above one half and for the down
bar below one half of the spreads.
We also are giving our significant bar a definition of commitment.
So that bar has to commit to the downside or to the upside relative to
previous bar high or low and or relative to the most recent
resistance support actions.
But if we're talking about just definition for the significant bar, I
that significant bar is the price.
progression and commitment in the direction of the institutional effort.
It defines the commitment of institutions and it
also defines the possible commitment line in the
opposite direction, where if we see the commitment in the opposite way,
then most likely that
swing is done.
Okay, a little bit wordy, but you know, I'll think about this. So Stephen,
hopefully, satisfactory maybe at this point, and then I'll think about more
about, you know, like the definition itself.
All right, from Clement again, I really enjoyed your synchronicity of effort in
the result explanation. I sort of had it in my mind that it has a life cycle of
four states.
In context of an uptrend, value selling, stopping action, deterioration of
demand while supply is present, synchronicity of effort versus result to
downside, and ease of movement, would that be a fair thought?
Yeah, that's this traffic light that we have here.
Stopping supply first, that produces weakness in the supply,
both in the supply and the demand. It's not just in one.
like you have here, deterioration of the demand. It's in both.
Supply also deteriorates because it's exhausted, absorbing that demand that
comes in.
And then increase of the supply that produces synchronicity with price
and only after that an ease of movement.
All right, and with that, let's look at the time, 420, great.
So I need to volunteer, say yes.
What we're gonna do here is we're gonna go into a bias exercise.
And based on this bias exercise, we'll be thinking and talking about
synchronicity.
And we'll be kind of like trying to figure out
how we could use this concept in our bias definition.
All right, a volunteer?
All right.
Simon, I'm glad that you are volunteering on the day when you can
class.
Yes,
I can hear you now.
How are you doing?
I'm well, thank you. How are you?
Yeah, good, good, good.
All right, so we'll kind of keep the synchronicity as an idea at the back of
minds.
But here, okay, so here is our chart, obviously an IPO.
What do you see in general?
Like when you look at the chart?
What is the general sense that you get? Maybe something that catches your mind
right away and you start thinking about specific buyers.
I sort of see a lot of volatility, specifically with a lot of supply
see in May a big gap down, and then the sort of volatility sort of goes
away from about June.
Yes, and that's my observation as well. So I'm looking into like two periods on
this chart. I'm looking into period number one and then period number two.
just has different textures.
And I think that you
could see that not necessarily
just in the price spread itself, right?
we definitely could say okay look at the down spread here here here here
here here even in the uptrend you have those big volatility uh
spikes you know big spreads and obviously all of it here to the downside
the huge gap and then going into the second uh texture uh what do we have
Probably with an exception of this bar, there is really nothing else.
Maybe this, but I wouldn't even pay attention to this.
This.
There is really nothing else.
So I would totally agree with Simon that volatility is kind of like vanished.
And that's great. That just gives us what kind of bias in general, Simon?
Initial thought is it's biased to the downside.
only based on that first period that first section which you've identified
but usually wouldn't the uh decrease of volatility be associated with bullish
bias uh yes um but what i'm not seeing there is that
um it's oh no it is making higher lows and higher highs well i
just kind of like as an idea guys um
volatility as a term always being associated with the moves to the
We kind of expand this definition a little bit and we're saying that even
bars to the upside like this, this is a lot of volatility to the upside.
This is a lot of volatility to the upside.
So when we talk about diminished volatility, we usually would be
talking about the areas where selling is subsiding, there is not a
lot of selling, and therefore with no selling, we would be expecting a bullish
bias. So that's what I was kind of like thinking, Simon, when you said
diminished volatility.
So instantly my thought was that you're thinking about the bullish bias.
Okay, so if we're thinking about the bearish bias, then what are the
main tenets here?
for the case of the distribution?
So if I was looking for characteristics of distribution, I would be looking at
selling at the top of the trading range.
So it's an increase in volume.
Yeah, but I don't see an increase in volume there. So I would have
as to whether or not it was distribution, but then that big... gap
sort of makes me sort of not be so sure in terms of my initial
thoughts.
Okay. I think you're on the right track here. So again,
I do not see this as a big mistake
to have a different bias.
at the beginning of the trading range when you start analyzing it.
I think what needs to happen, like in the bias game, you should have the
capacity to see the change and then to be able to change that bias as the price
goes through a specific change.
So we have identified a couple of changes here, right? So we've identified
probably this reaction as the main element of change.
We said that on both sides, there is such an increase of volatility to the
downside where there is a gap, where there is, you know, increased in the
signature. This is the highest volume signature since, you know, the first two
initial days of the IPO.
So there is a tremendous volatility right there.
But at the same time, and I think Simon mentioned this, a higher low, that's
very unusual.
Because the effort has increased so much.
So on the increased effort, we're making a higher low.
That just tells us that the result to the downside is diminution.
And we could expect some kind of rally out of this. The trading range goes
through the shorter period of absorption, and then here we are. We
rally.
So, Simon, coming back to this reaction, this higher low.
that suggests the rally, but could it also suggest that the bias might
be different?
Yeah, I guess one thing that I sort of have clear in my mind is what the
process is when first looking at a chart and trying to understand which bias it
is, either up or down.
Well, I would... go one you know structure by structure so element by
element number one element number two element number three element number four
five six seven eight
nine and then ten and then wyckoff story would be created
through all of these elements right
So let's just go through this really quickly.
Element number one, a very bullish IPO bar that suggests the
bias is to the upside, but it also suggests element of the supply. So we
see what's going to come next as a test.
The test comes, and in two or three days, we see that supply is still very
strong. So that suggests that.
uh you know uh there's some selling uh at least at the minimum we could go into
the trading range as we go through the trading range second point of excitement
right here sign of weakness lpsy a downtrend so bias now is to
the downside for sure element number four um accumulation
very short accumulation so we're not expecting a prolonged trend here
Our target is here. As we come there, there's another element here with
sign of weakness.
And then a drop to the downside into the higher low at seven. So as we said,
you know, bullish result. We're anticipating some kind of bullish
happens. Element number nine, a rally.
And then what happens?
What's the story there?
So I just went through all of this.
And then what's the conclusion, Simon?
So just a couple of questions then. So in the section two, would that be
regarded as an upside bias still because we're making higher lows and higher
highs? We would be thinking that we're still in the upward bias until we see,
let's say,
this supply coming in and then we would be saying at this point the character is
Suggesting maybe a bearish scenario But we need to see some kind of confirmation
of that What would be a confirmation for instance another attempt to go up and
then a failure? So it's sign of weakness here access that confirmation So
throughout we're still going to be having let's say a bias to the upside to
confirmed or to fail And then let's say on this bar right here, we would be
saying that this bar confirms that the up bias is down, has failed,
and now the bias is to the downside.
As well as the bar like this would also act as a confirmation.
Yep. And then does it revert back up to the upside after it leaves the area
four where we start to then make the high lows and high highs again?
So how does the change happen here? Okay, so first we observe this selling
climax, automatic rally that have a change of characteristics, and we're
thinking, okay, the bias could change here. So to confirm or to fail, we're
going down, not committing to the downside that much.
That's a confirmation of the up bias.
We are rallying with more momentum again, and then we are reacting just
So that confirms, again, the bullish bias.
And then here, our final confirmation on the breakout. So that would become an
up bias.
But you are defining the bias based on the swing's reversals.
You are not defining the bias for the whole formation.
When you're thinking about the whole formation, the first question that I've
asked was the correct question because you're looking at the whole formation
you just want to basically figure out is there more selling that's happening
or there is no selling.
And that's basically what we want to kind of...
gauge from the first look and it feels to me that you know that's why we have
these two textures here one has more volatility one has less volatility
therefore one has more selling one has less selling if we're going from the
environment where we have more selling into in the environment where we have
less selling the question is who's holding the supply from that selling and
was it Was it sufficient to absorb the initial supply?
And is this low volatility area shows us that now is the time?
So those are kind of like the questions that I would have there.
Okay, well, how would we interpret, let's say, let's approach this from a
different angle, Simon.
How about this?
I want you to analyze just this portion right here.
and don't look at what has happened before at all.
Don't even think about this.
Think that this is the IPO price right here.
How would you analyze this chart?
I would say the Dow moved down to that last bar as the
selling price.
Okay. So there'll be a trading range which is formed, and then there'll be
the... automatic rally, and then the secondary test.
And probably maybe even something like this, we see that swing.
So this could be a secondary test right here. This could be the conclusion of
phase A. The trading range is small, so phases come really fast, okay?
Off -thrust, okay? And then where do you think phase C is?
Probably about that.
between the 20th and 27th of June.
Yeah, so somewhere there.
So this as a spring?
Yeah.
And then you have a sign of spring, which gets tested.
Uh -huh, and a test.
So therefore, probably this is our phase C was the first test.
Okay, everything in between is B.
And then phase D, where is our phase D?
It would just be after the breakout.
Okay, so sign of strength, backing up action, phase D.
Okay, and then we go into another formation.
Would you say that just kind of like looking at this too, could it be that
was like a minor sign of strength and this could be a major?
Just one formation on another.
I mean, you have to entertain this thought. Why? Because what bias do you
here in the original formation? You have a bias of the accumulation, right?
Yes. So when we are doing something like this, jumping out, our first
thought is going to be, could we have a much major sign of strength?
We definitely see a lot of supply here that comes in that suggests that we're
going to go into a trading range.
We define the trading range by the boundary of the change of character.
Here it is.
So now we have to look through this range. So let's look through this range,
Simon.
What do you see?
Do we have distributional characteristics in this range?
Well, usually my guideline is for distribution characteristics is sort of
price which is around the top of the trading range, which has increased
And I sort of see that in the Doji bar, the top of the trading range,
at about, is it the 22nd?
Yeah, so I see that there's a lot of, there's a big volume spike there. So
there's some sort of opposing force that's stopping the price from moving
upwards.
And that's the supply, and that's probably natural because that's, I
natural supply zone based on that first big up bar and that big momentum move.
And what does the supply do here?
We're seeing that supply is actually diminishing, right?
So around the resistance. So we went to the zone to 12 .5 or what is it, 12 .35.
And we've encountered supply.
There was a lot of supply.
What kind of effect did it produce relative to the previous rally into this
supply?
Not a large effect, I don't think, because if you have a look after that
supply that comes in at about the 22nd, price doesn't fall immediately, sort of
falls slowly.
And then it sort of only takes out.
I guess the last commitment to the upside in about the 12th of September
that significant down bar?
Well, think about what happens here with these two bars, right? So they are
analog bars. They happen at the same contextual place at the point of the
resistance. They have the same intention behind it. Commit above 1225,
both fail.
So also the volume spike increase is similar in the volume signature itself.
But what's interesting is that the first bar, when supply increases, has the
result like this.
The second bar, when supply increases, has a result like this.
So which bar has better absorption of the supply?
The second bar.
the second bar exactly we are at the same price level and supply is coming
in i mean okay there could be an argument it's smaller supply but at the
time this is the bar number three on this chart so if there is a lot of
that's coming in right there And yet, absorption happens like this. So in it
itself, this action where absorption happens at the same price level and that
doesn't move the price, you know, is bullish in this regard.
But because there is a lot of supply that's coming in, we're still expecting
reaction. What kind of reaction do we have? Does it increase in the result?
No.
Does it have...
towards the end of this reaction?
Yes, it does.
Does it increase or decrease?
It decreases.
Does it produce the intention of committing below
the support?
No.
What about the next reaction after that?
This one right here.
Does the selling increase or decrease?
The selling decreases.
Does it produce the same, an increasing downward result?
No, it doesn't. I see that the volatility or the price spread to the
a lot narrower than the previous reaction.
If I would be asking you, Simon, you know, where is the selling has happened
this latest trading range?
I would probably just hear from you these two bars.
But there's really nothing else.
And then as you said, volatility is really low. Volatility is really low. So
when we look into this area, then we're looking into the accumulation and then
we're looking into probably reaccumulation right here. So we're
kind of continuation.
there is really nothing else in this area that we could see. Whatever supply
comes in, it's all being observed.
So that's why there is such a big difference between these two areas,
the first area there is so much volatility, and then in the second one,
kind of like a very controlled move to the upside.
Whatever supply comes in does not produce a big reaction. Whatever supply
in after that...
absorption happens at the higher level.
So with that, I think it would be kind of like on the very big level to think
that this is an accumulation just because of how volatility has been
diminished to this point. And then go to the structural analysis and just think
where we are. Where do you think in the structure we are here?
Maybe entering phase C?
Yes, BB, possible phase C. So we would be looking for maybe
some kind of bar that would reverse. That would be our point of entry. We
also enter as the price goes through the high of the last bar to the downside.
We could do that.
Let's look at the result.
Okay, so that was square, and we were right here. So here is that bar
that reverses, and then that would be our point of entry. Our next point of
entry will be Simon where?
On the Simon Strength bar in about November.
There you go. Could we buy on the next bar?
Yeah.
We can. So the problem here is going to be that, you know, we can't really use
the stop loss like this, but it's still a sign of strength bar.
Momentum is dimension, so we kind of know that we're going to hit the
and going to have that reaction.
So our stop loss is probably going to be still low.
But here's our first point of entry. Here is our second point of entry. Where
the next point of entry?
After the backing up action.
Which is where?
14th of November.
14th of November. This one right here?
The one before it. The one before it. Okay.
Where's the next one?
Potentially it was at one, two, three bars later, that little sort of hammer
candle.
Okay, this one right here, or this one right here?
Yeah, that one, yeah.
Yeah, I probably would be thinking maybe this one right here, but most
definitely this, the breakout.
Breakout again.
Then what is the next one, what do you think?
Would it be the next sign of strength bar?
Which is one, two, three, four.
This one right here?
Yeah. Well, think about where we want to open our positions, right? So we want
to open our positions as the trend emerges.
In our cases here, as the swing emerges, right? So we're probably going to be
talking about anything before sign of strength backing up action.
So I think that we've kind of concluded our...
entering the position right here. Most likely it's going to be in the next
where it's going to be more or less oversold.
So probably somewhere here.
We could also consider it here with an idea that this could be the lowest low
the potential reaccumulation that still will touch the support line right here.
So here and here, something like this.
The same idea here.
But at least we know that the buying climax has happened and we have had a
consolidation. So maybe like a breakout right here. So we basically want to
enter the position closer to the area of the short term overall
sold condition.
And we'll talk about this in December when we will discuss long term campaigns
and how to swing trade them.
And, you know, that will be kind of like one of the main discussion points for
us.
All right, Simon, so what else could we discuss here on the bias
that could help us to define the bias quicker and better?
I guess initially the things that I look for is lower highs and lower lows, and
that would sort of define the up bias.
Okay, yeah, that definitely would help, right? So if we would
be defining higher highs as, let's say, one formation over
another, then this would be a higher high, this would be a higher low
so you would have that sequence. So right here you would be looking for a
position because you would be thinking that you could be in potential uptrend.
Yeah.
Okay. All right, Simon. Well, thank you.
Thank you, Roman.
Great. Let's talk about synchronicity.
Same concept, same kind of chart, same type of exercise, and we are
talking about the same concepts.
We want to find first a stop in demand in
the
when we have the price going to the downside, we've talked about
from the opposite side, you know, on the distributional side.
Now let's talk about the demand rather than the
supply. How would demand absorb the supply?
So as we could see, the stopping demand would always come in the area of
the climactic action.
or in the reaccumulation, it will come at the low of the automatic
reaction.
Why is that?
Well, because a change of character is going to produce an increase of the
supply, and that increase of the supply will need to be observed by that demand.
And that's why demand has to increase its present at that point of time.
and that's what stops the first change of character.
In the accumulation, we're just going to have a regular selling climax where
demand comes in, and that stops the price from moving further down, and that
produces also a rally that has some short covering behind it in the
and that just exhausts both supply and demand.
both energies are increasing and colliding with each other, and that
produces this big, big volatility. After that, there's going to be an exhaustion
between demand and supply.
Both are going to be exhausted and their signatures will go down.
Then demand is going to win in the accumulation, and this is where we're
to observe the increase of the demand.
and increasing the result as well.
Once that is done, the price could travel up on lower demand signature that
would identify an ease of movement.
This process will repeat itself over and over.
Selling climax with immersion demand, exhaustion of the demand and of the
supply into phase B.
Emergence of the demand, this is not that visible here, but emergence of the
demand off the lows in phase C, and then ease of movement either in D or out.
Reaccumulation is going to be slightly different.
Demand is going to come in on the first initial rotation in phase A. This is
where the profit taking is taking place.
we could have a rotational reaccumulation, right? So this is where
from one hand's strong hands could come to other strong hands.
And in both cases would be institutions.
They need the liquidity. So phase A provides that liquidity for them. And
why institutions are not really going away from phase A.
when they are buying into the position, if their future valuation is somewhere
up there, then it doesn't really matter whether they are buying in phase A or
whether they are buying in phase D.
The time factor for them is less important than, let's say, for the
traders.
Liquidity is more important, so they're going to buy at the point where
liquidity is the highest.
So therefore, increase in the demand.
On the second reaction, we're going to have the exhaustion of both supply and
the demand. So the reaction and the rally are not going to be that great.
And then off the lows in phase C, we're going to have demand coming in and
producing some result.
And after that, on the diminishing demand signature, we're going to see how
price starts to move up.
Ease of movement.
That's going to repeat again.
Change of character, demand comes in, produces the rally.
Phase B, no demand, no supply.
Phase C, demand signature increases, and then an ease of movement
after that.
Again, change of character, demand comes in.
It looks like supply, but there is a demand that is hidden there. We know it.
see it.
And then after that, we see the exhaustion of the demand and the supply.
Demand produces a result, and then ease of movement as the price goes on low
volume and lifts the trading range.
That's the concept of change, and that's the concept of how synchronicity is
being reached.
And we definitely want to use
these elements and to identify those points where we start seeing
synchronicity of effort versus result.
So everything in green, this is gonna be our first points of where we would be
thinking and considering opening our positions from the perspective of
timing.
So we would be thinking about that.
All right.
I've read somewhere before that for the market to go up or down, we need effort
or volume.
Would this be an oversimplified explanation that it's more complex than
statement? Yeah, so we need the volume signature that basically tells us that
there are more market participants and they are either buying or selling.
There are moments in the marketplace when There are no buyers, no sellers,
volume is low.
A really good day like that was yesterday in the markets when we have a
holiday in the U .S. And then we also, in
the market, we're kind of like, you know, very
in anticipation waiting for the news on tariffs.
So those type of days are going to be, you
know, low volatility days.
And they're going to represent that phase B type of, you know, demand and
both are not there.
And then there's going to be days like this where synchronicity is going to be
there. We want to recognize those, and we want to open or to add on those days.
And you can go through the trading range with this traffic light and try to
define where exactly that synchronicity takes place, where exactly the timing
becomes more apparent, and especially in the swing analysis. And you can use
this for the bar -to -bar.
You can use this for swing -to -swing, and you can use this for phase analysis.
There are multiple uses of this tool.
So hopefully that's helpful.
All right.
Five o 'clock.
That's great. We have 30 minutes. Let's jump into our action sequence.
Let me know who wants to volunteer, and we'll do this together.
And meanwhile, I'm just going to go through this really quick.
um so that you would remember where we are we started with the stock that also
was an ipo stock uh very aggressive initial buys that we see
off the uh off the bat uh no selling
and then they're still buying on the way up once they bought on those two waves
they're not buying they're not buying they're not buying and that leads to a
more meaningful trading range.
We saw this as a change of character, and we said that, okay, well, maybe this
is where we are in this range, and this is where the price is going to be for
the time being.
Also, the latest gap right here on the increased volume signature suggested
we're going to stay here or even have, you know, maybe like some kind of
reaction.
We had that reaction.
And I don't know if I remember correctly, I'm not sure if we've talked
this.
This decline had that low volatility signature.
And usually we would say that this is a very bullish sign.
This means that there is no selling.
And with this type of movement, the timing of the end.
of this move is usually gonna be an increase in the volume signature because
this increase in the volume signature would identify to us emergence of the
demand. And it happens somewhere here.
So basically on this bar right here, you're just saying, okay, well now
is there.
We just need to define that reversal bar, which comes right here. So here's
reversal significant bar.
Please note, you know, Stephen, on the definition of this bar, what is this?
This is the commitment to the upside above actually multiple closes,
most recent closes that we had to the downside.
And that commitment shows the commitment of strong hands to the upside, at least
at this point of time.
The significant bar should be an expanding bar.
the close should be above one half of the spread for the bullish up bar.
And we want to see that significant bar committing above the level of the
resistance that was defined by the opposite force.
So from here we're expecting some kind of rally where two probably into this
area right here.
And it seems like every time we have some kind of supply characteristics, we
into new high, we have that supply characteristic. And we said, you know,
time that this was very interesting. Supply is going lower and we have better
closes. We have better absorption. We just kind of repeated that concept,
look at the absorption here and look at the absorption here so different type of
absorption so this one suggests that maybe that's going to be a continuation
our target is going to be somewhere here so if we're in the trade that that's
how we're trading it all right and this is where we are this was the last
chart uh so um volunteer
and we'll go from there We have 30 minutes, so that's great.
All right.
Oh, we have two answers, so we'll go, you know.
Actually, let me not
mispronounce this.
Thibaut, how do I pronounce your name? I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing it.
Hi, Thibaut, can you hear me? Thibaut, yeah, okay, great. Yes, I can.
Yeah.
Okay, how are you doing today?
Good, how are you? Good, good.
All right, so this is where we've ended last time.
And Tivo, let me just ask you this question. This last reaction, what does
remind you of? Is there something specific about this reaction that tells
something about, let's say, the rally that we are in?
Yes, there is a change of character.
Okay, great. Yeah, and why is this change of character?
Well, we had a big move from April to October to late September. Yes, great.
And then why is this a change of character? Yeah, so we have that rally.
What does it tell us that this is a change of character?
Well, just looking at the bar, but the volume.
It's not showing any supply.
Okay, interesting.
So those are kind of contradicting ideas, right? So we need to
maybe slow down here and think about this for a second. So we're seeing a
of character. Why?
Because the downspread bars are increasing.
Also, Thibaut, what about the length of this reaction?
Just by itself. So it's like 22 bucks, 22 and a half dollars. Before that, what
kind of reactions do we have? So obviously all of those reactions.
The spread is much wider.
Yeah, the spread is wider.
The downswing is bigger in distance.
And then we have, you said that we have some kind of increase of the supply.
But it's not really.
a distributional increase of the supply, we're probably just having
some kind of profit taken at this point.
So what could we expect with this change of character, Thibault?
A resume of the trend?
Yeah, a resume. It could be like an automatic reaction if we go to a phase.
Okay, yeah, so this would mean that the highest point here is probably buying
climax, right? So we might be going into a trading range.
That's idea number one. We might be going to some kind of reaction, but that
reaction, judging by the volume signature, is probably going to have
bullish characteristics.
So we need to see if this whole scenario, the reaction that we're going
or the trading range that we're gonna have is gonna have some kind of either
reaccumulation for the trading range or bullish characteristics
for the reaction.
Okay, well let's see what comes next. So here is our reaction.
So TiVo, what do you think now? Is this, you know, we said that two scenarios,
either a trading range, And then we have to look for, you know, obviously
some bullish characteristics.
Or we're going to have some kind of reaction, okay, reaccumulation
characteristics. And this reaction for us to stay bullish should have some kind
of bullish characteristics.
So obviously not number one, we are not in the trading range. So let's answer
this second question. Is this reaction has...
does this reaction have bullish characteristics or bearish
Well, that's bearish.
Okay, so let's show that bearishness. So where do you see that bearishness?
Well, there is the, I would say like automatic reaction like early October.
Okay. But it fell right in like 65.
Right, so there is some kind of hypodermic almost action, right?
Speculation on the way up.
And then urgent distribution on the way down. Urgent selling on the
way down.
Okay, so you said something about the automatic reaction.
Okay, what about it?
Well, it's fair like it resume and then we have a bit spread down mm -hmm So
that that's showing continuation And I probably like how would you even like
label this?
What do you think Well
from the top we have like two
lower low.
So the first one would be like a secondary test.
And the third one, like in early November, would be last point of supply?
Yeah. Well, because this is a hypodermic, then our
phases are going to collapse, right? So they're going to be extremely short.
So you could do something like this is phase C.
This is phase A.
This is phase B.
Major sign of weakness, LPSY.
And then a downtrend.
You could also have it in a different way. You could have a structure here.
And you can say this looks climactic. This looks like a buying climax
And then change of character, secondary test, test.
and then phase C has kind of like this more prolonged phase, and then sign of
weakness into this, and then LPSY, and then the downtrend. So this probably
would be even more preferred labeling.
You can do either.
Okay, so we were talking about different distribution characteristics. So I see
the distribution characteristics here.
I see the distributional characteristics on the increase of the supply on the
reaction. I see distributional characteristics on the institutional
right here.
What happens after that?
The spread is diminishing, but there's still supply available.
Okay.
relative to supply that we have had, let's say here, what is this
supply doing?
Maybe slightly lower.
Slightly lower, yeah.
Okay, so not as much selling producing kind of like this
laborious move to the downside where the spread is just diminishing. I mean,
like compare the spread in this area to this and this.
This is just such a big difference.
What does this remind you of? Does this remind you of maybe like this action
right here?
Yes, it's similar. And it could be like a stopping action from where it started.
Like if you draw a horizontal line, that's basically where we have the gap
Yeah, look at that zone where that happens. It's almost like it's
Where is our supply and high volatility and at which price
level? So somewhere here, I'm just quickly trying to figure out where
we have those big spikes of selling.
And we kind of see that it's this zone right here.
But it's not like the price cannot stay there. It actually spends a lot of time.
in that zone. It actually spends more time in that zone than let's say below
or below it. And whenever it's below, it seems like the selling is just like not
there.
So could we be part of a larger structure where this would be the value
Yeah. And we have to wait to see the phases develop?
Yeah. So we kind of seen there that the selling was at this level, then the
selling became at higher level and it just that the price just dipped down
into the value zone where there were a lot of buys before.
We don't see a lot of selling.
So this looks bullish at the end of this reaction.
And maybe it would suggest that we could potentially have some kind of another
rally here.
you know, just based on the analog and based on the supply signature.
Okay, well, I wonder what kind of confirmation of the
rally we should have. We should probably have something like this, right? Where
we either have a trading range or we have some kind of, you know, a series of
tests. So let's see what comes next. By the way, would we be buyers here?
Yes.
Okay.
I would wait to develop because it could go further down.
Let's wait for a test.
Okay. So let's just ask the whole class.
What do you guys think? Would we be biased here?
I mean, do we have the – we've talked about the bias, the short -term bias. We
see the deterioration of selling.
So we're assuming that we're going to have a rally here.
but would we be buying now would we be waiting for the trading
range to unfold
no
wait for the short cover and test of the low first wait for the test volume
looks still high now
Okay, so what volume are we talking about?
So we're talking probably about the selling volume, right? So here is one,
is two, here is three. So we kind of see that the supply definitely diminishes.
We see that probably this is a relatively
easy pickup for us here, which is thinking that we're
probably experiencing this.
return to value. Where is the value for them? I think that here, this area right
here where, you know, some additional institutions came in into this position
and established a new position.
Then again, somewhere here in this area especially, as it jumps out, and
then again here.
So throughout this whole level, we see elements of big high volume
signature that suggests a lot of presence of institutions.
So it seems that the value, the fair value for them is somewhere here around
bucks.
So from here, probably we're going to have a rally right into this zone. And
then we're going to have maybe like a small consolidation right there.
So we could build some kind of trade around here.
There is definitely demand that is coming in.
and then look at how now demand is moving freely right so
we have that synchronicity now where uh there is an almost like an ease of
movement okay well let's see what happens next let me see some other
i mean right now we we at the
edge i i would i would be
I mean, you're mentioning you would just go in. I would be hesitant.
Go ahead.
The volume is starting showing up, like it is of movement.
Would it be better just to wait for retest and see are your volume kicking
Yes, absolutely.
Yes, that would be the next test.
So the next test would be a bar like this, and then we would be coming in on
bar like this. The next test would be a high or low, and then the resumption. So
we would be coming in here, and we would be coming in here.
What's the logic here of me saying that we're probably going to go into 50?
It happened before multiple times on this chart.
So look at this. We're thinking that the value, It's somewhere here, right,
around $50. Then what happens next?
So we're deviating above that value.
And if we know that the value is, let's say, at $50, we know that there's going
to be at some point a mean reversion trade.
And usually when there is, you know, a good profit built in into that, that's
when it's going to happen. And we know that we want to observe the bar that's
going to have an increase volume characteristic.
and then increase price characteristics. So these two bars right here would
identify for us that that mean reversion trade to $50 is probably taking place.
The same happens here, right? So we're seeing how there is no momentum here.
There is no momentum here. There is no momentum here.
And there is a vanishing momentum here. And it's all around the same price where
we have the momentum going into the fair value, and then we have
the momentum diminishing, and the same to the downside, the same to the upside,
the same to the upside.
So I'm thinking about that type of trade, where we're trading into the fair
value, into about 50 bucks, and then hopefully that momentum is going to
us over. We just have to make a judgment what kind of momentum we're going to
see here.
all right so let's uh that's why i'm saying that maybe out of this oversold
condition we could get in right away but we also could wait we could wait for
more definitive characteristics here let's see what comes next okay
so here is that one big bar another big bar we kind of jumping into that
value zone still not at 50 but close and then look at this test
so that's great we're thinking okay we're in the value zone we
could maybe continue that move um how would we label this by the way what do
think people when the you have the gappers that would be a buying climax
the gap center is very yeah so like all the way up
Well, it looks more like, you know, we were talking about like hypodermic
activity here, right? So it's hypodermic reverse, so like a V -shaped bottom.
Okay.
So, you know, this looks more like a sign of strength and then a backing up
action and more like a minor sign of strength.
So then if that's the case, then this would be phase C.
And then where is the stop in action?
Probably somewhere here.
This is a slightly different labeling, guys, that you usually would be
accustomed to.
So phase A and phase B here, then oversold into phase C, quick recovery
value zone again, and then into the backing up action continuation.
All right.
So what do you think about the rally itself?
Is it a better rally than we have had before?
What do you think?
It's kind of similar, a bit faster.
There is big momentum, but it stops at a resistant level.
Well, yeah, we're looking at the characteristics.
So momentum has increased. It takes less time now to get to the same highs.
And volume is much lighter.
We can see much larger volume than before.
The volume is much larger than before.
And we kind of like the IPO volume is just large, you know, in it by itself.
here we see a definitive increase in the volume signature over the previous
area, over the previous rally. So what does that mean?
Well, the institution are buying in.
So we should expect that. Are you present?
Absolutely. And because we have a rally, what are they doing? Institutions are
buyers.
And are there a lot of buyers?
Yes.
There is an increase in their participation.
Is there an urgency to get into this position?
Yes. Yes, we see this from the increased momentum signature.
Okay, great. So then it kind of tells us that maybe we're close to getting above
the previous highs because there is some kind of urgency.
Okay, what about the latest trading range that we have right here?
What do you think about that?
Well, that would be a climax on the first one. We have a test.
Possibly a C phase and going to like a last point of support, going to backing
up action.
Something like that.
So would we be considering a position here at this point?
Yes. When exactly?
I would probably would like to wait for the last point of support.
Just wait for a little pullback because we can see the volume is decreasing.
So there may be a reaction there before resuming the up move.
Yeah. So I would say that anything in the break of this line right here
would just tell us that we would be expecting to go in and to the position.
the way, guys, look at what kind of stock this is.
It went to $75 in two, two and a half months.
So this is times three.
This is a high momentum stock.
So once it breaks out, it's probably going to, you know, run away from us.
So we want to make sure that we are in the position. It looks like the volume
signature is pretty bullish.
I mean, look at this, all of these bars to the upside.
There is no really a big reaction after the rally either.
And it rests on the support of the first distributional formation
that we had there.
So it looks ready to go. But let's come back to this trade that we discussed
before. So point of entry here, point of entry here. Those are going to be kind
of like very risky probe type of trades.
those are not going to be your regular trades. Your regular trade is going to
come here, here, maybe here.
And you would be thinking your target zone somewhere here in this area.
Going into this bar, you're going to be thinking that this is probably where we
might be having some kind of stopping action.
So a swing trader would get out somewhere here and on the way up,
the change of character bar. The long -term trader, is gonna do nothing.
There's gonna be maybe an attempt to hedge, but the way how
the momentum unfolded suggests that we're not gonna have a prolonged
reaccumulation, a very deep reaccumulation.
Okay, what else could we notice here?
Change of character bar, well defined, suggests that we are done.
we are done with this uh rally and we are going to go at the minimum into the
consolidation uh you know steve has said the dimension volume characteristics
suggesting continuation okay let's see if it would get us into the position so
somewhere here on at the open we could get into the position throughout uh this
whole day on the breakout at the close event on the test the test kind of gives
us an idea that you know we probably could get into the position but we would
have to see what kind of momentum we are going to have here momentum diminishes
and we would be expecting the price to come probably to around this level which
it does so kibo what are we going to do now
That could be one of my problems.
I'm usually very early to exit, and I don't sit on the threat to let it
So here, you know, I would see a climax. I would be intended to exit and wait
for the range, a new range to develop.
Okay. Yeah, so a new range, something like this. So we are probably, what,
somewhere here, right?
Yes.
somewhere here so at least you know at the minimum we want to have some kind of
free test so we could wait for the second low hopefully it's going
to be a higher low and we could come in somewhere on the higher low we are
definitely in the uptrend at this point of time where are we in the price cycle
tivo what do you think
We have great momentum, so I would be expecting to start fading at
some point.
Right, but where are we in the price cycle?
The trend is still up, so we're still in an uptrend.
There is no sign of distribution yet, so I guess we have to wait and see how it
develops. Okay, so accumulation is segment number one.
emergence of the trend is segment number two, uptrend segment number three,
change of character into the distribution four,
distribution five, six, seven.
So that could be your number four.
Number four? Number four, possibly.
Okay, well, think about this.
I mean, if we are at number four, you're basically saying that we have concluded
the whole price cycle, the markup of the price cycle, right?
So, and think about the causality that we have. So what is the causality here?
No,
we're still in the uptrend.
We are still in the uptrend, yes. But the question is, how would you define
causality here?
Where did accumulation happen?
Yes, in May we just had the backing up action, so we should expect higher
pricing.
Right, so we really need to think about where we are in the price cycle to
define what to do.
So we're thinking...
we're seeing accumulation on the way up, on the way up,
on the way up, so all of this absorption there,
on the way up right here,
on the way down, on the way up.
So we're seeing a lot of the accumulation on the way up and also in
formation right here.
So this looks like, you know, a trading range.
So this is the whole causality. So if we would be measuring, you know, by P and
F, this would be the count, this whole thing. And probably we wouldn't
you know, the IPO.
So for this type of the causality that lasts more than a year, let's say a year
and a half.
Do you think that they're going to get out of the position after six months?
Would you call this like a major sign of strength and going to backing up
action? Probably.
It's a major sign of strength. Yes, correct.
So major sign of strength into the backing up action.
And we're probably still early on in the cycle itself.
So then you... hopefully that will help you with the long -term positions and
you can stay there for some time if you could recognize that the causality was
huge enough and that the price still has not reached
that target. Okay, well, let's see what happens next.
We do have this higher low here.
And this looks like an earnings gap right here.
So we said that somewhere here, probably on this bar,
you know, we could have that point of entry.
Yeah, and that looks like a really good point of entry for us right here because
it's in the oversold condition.
Okay, well, we are on the last bar.
Thibault, how would we interpret where we are?
It would be like a climax.
Yeah, it looks like a climax. Possibly a trading range or a small consolidation.
Okay, so take the position here.
I mean, take the profit here.
Yeah, volume is very strong. There is like no selling.
Yeah, there is no selling, so what does it mean?
It's continuing up.
Yeah, probably could be a continuation.
If we're thinking about an oversold condition, whenever we have some kind of
gap or big bar spread that breaks to the
upside, how do we judge what comes next?
we usually look at the test.
And what we want to see is both the price being able to stay
at that level where the big bar finished.
And then the second thing we want to look at how much supply comes in.
So in this case, there is a lot of effort to push the price down, but the
to the downside is limited.
So this is bullish.
Here, there's not that much supply as there was at the previous instance.
So that suggests a continuation.
Here, we're seeing that supply is also not as much as let's say in the first
case. Let's say right here.
So we're expecting a continuation.
Here, we don't have a lot of supply, but This demand is also not that great
relative to the previous attempts to break out.
And then the price kind of drifts down and look how quickly it goes to the low
of that bar. So that suggests that we are going to have some kind of reaction
here. And here we are still holding and supply is not that great.
It's actually the smallest supply on any type of situations like this that we
have had.
So this shows a lot of strength and that suggests still, you know, an immediate
continuation.
It's a very strange spot.
I actually was right into this spot just recently.
And I couldn't bring myself to bind here.
I couldn't bring myself to bind into the continuation. But, you know, there are
some stocks where you have to have that faith in the momentum.
And the continuation because next what happens is something like this.
And then you still have a runaway market.
And you go from, let's say, 130 to 175. So that's about,
what, 25 % return right there.
So have to be really cognizant of how this happens and maybe scale out here
just. one -fourth on what you think is the buy -in climax, and then allow the
test to happen, and then just write the last one with all of those left
shares that you have.
Okay, well, Thibaut, really quickly, we're at 5 .30, so what do you think is
happening now?
You can see the volume is starting.
Coming and the spread coming down. So we we might see that being a great up move
So we must stop seeing some supply And I would be cautious after this. So how
would we label this move to the downside?
Like a buying climax, okay buying climax We changing the character
And we are probably in some kind of reaction here
Something like this.
So now look at this whole big picture.
Here's your huge trading range.
Here's your phase C.
Here's your minor sign of strength, LPS.
And then some major sign of strength, backing up action. But then another
major sign of strength, just like such a huge move.
in such a short period of time.
And this was the start of the end for this rally
that lasted from what, from about $25 to $175. Wow,
what a move.
Let's see what happens next.
Here's that reaction.
So for those of you who recognize, who traded the stock, Rocco.
one of my favorite momentum stocks right here had a couple of trades here we had
a really good call here um i actually bought the stock right here uh sold some
on the way up right here into that same logic of the climactic action the
smallest portion was sold right here but still not the greatest of the trades
and then uh obviously a very clear change of character changes
of character bars, and then I started to buying this stock right here, so I'm
currently in the position.
I think that this is an opportunity.
The way how I'm buying this is not speculative.
I'm gonna hold on to this stock for a couple of years, maybe three years,
the cycle, depending on the market as well.
So my idea here is that this is the stock that's gonna be
interesting stock for institutions.
Look at how the volume is increasing.
So they're still getting into the position.
And this latest reaction to the downside is actually looking like a very
interesting opportunity for them to get at $100 or close to that in the stock
that has moved from 30 to 175 and showing such huge potential
on how the business is going to unfold.
All right, well, Thibaut, thank you so much.
Thank you very much. And I think, you know, the price cycle you explained,
that's light up some ideas.
Okay, great, great. I'm glad to hear that.
All right, guys.
Let's just see, maybe last question. Between March and May.
March and May.
If we hypothesize that this is an accumulation in phase B, don't see high
at the bottom of the trading range, that may provide evidence to my hypothesis,
or is it because supply has been observed?
So I'm somewhere here.
We are definitely seeing a lot of
Buying in this area right here. This is just a period of an activity. It was
just you know some local spikes and
We would be thinking here that you know this
looks like an accumulation so our Trade here is going to be to the upside.
We probably would be Thinking of getting out somewhere here
And then just restarting the trade somewhere here, here, and then somewhere
here.
Okay, well, I don't know, Simon, does that answer the question?
Yep, okay, great.
All right, guys, that's it for this class. Don't forget your homework, which
the bias game.
Here it is.
So for next class, we're going to go through that.
And obviously, I want to know as to, you know, what are we going to do with
the anatomy of the trade. So
we have to think about that.
And then at some point at the end of October, we're going to...
Start talking about the process as well. So we're going to do this as a home
assignment. We're going to establish the process, and you guys are going to
bring me the homework on the selection. So that's going to be interesting.
So that's going to be at the end of October.
All right, guys, that's it for today.
I will see you next Tuesday.
Happy week. Thank you, guys. Bye -bye.
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