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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:41,381 ~- Heil, workmen - Heil, my Führer$ 2 00:02:42,276 --> 00:02:46,036 ~One people, one Führer$ 3 00:03:00,622 --> 00:03:01,942 ~Get set$ 4 00:03:56,611 --> 00:04:00,451 Mrs Riefenstahl, if you had your life to live over again 5 00:04:01,251 --> 00:04:02,731 how would you live it? 6 00:04:02,971 --> 00:04:06,692 I think my life was very hard but also very rich 7 00:04:06,866 --> 00:04:10,027 I think I would say, "Yes, I want 8 00:04:11,133 --> 00:04:12,493 to live again" 9 00:04:12,693 --> 00:04:13,973 The same way you did? 10 00:04:14,173 --> 00:04:17,613 This I don't know, I hope I wouldn't make so many mistakes 11 00:04:18,453 --> 00:04:20,254 What are your mistakes? 12 00:04:20,453 --> 00:04:21,854 - My mistakes? - Yes 13 00:04:22,214 --> 00:04:26,495 Would you say that one of them was your close association with Hitler? 14 00:04:27,455 --> 00:04:29,175 Looking back now 15 00:04:53,123 --> 00:04:55,404 "The Blue Light" was my first film 16 00:04:55,604 --> 00:04:57,844 I was immersed in that world when I made it 17 00:04:57,980 --> 00:05:01,299 When I showed this scene of me climbing the rock face 18 00:05:01,563 --> 00:05:05,925 to my friend Carl Mayer, who was a famous screenwriter 19 00:05:06,124 --> 00:05:08,245 - Yes - He said to me, "If they" 20 00:05:10,578 --> 00:05:13,618 I don't know if the word "Nazi" existed back then, 21 00:05:13,817 --> 00:05:16,698 but to me it was like he said, "If the fascists, 22 00:05:16,897 --> 00:05:18,898 the National Socialists, 23 00:05:19,578 --> 00:05:20,978 saw you, 24 00:05:21,418 --> 00:05:23,779 you would become their idol" 25 00:05:27,459 --> 00:05:30,899 I have to tell you something Let me turn this off 26 00:05:31,127 --> 00:05:33,310 CONVERSATION WITH ALBRECHT KNAUS PUBLISHER -1978 27 00:05:38,501 --> 00:05:40,781 - Where were we again? - '32 28 00:05:40,981 --> 00:05:42,142 Yes, exactly 29 00:05:43,182 --> 00:05:48,901 The first time I ever heard about Hitler was in early 1932 30 00:05:51,302 --> 00:05:53,743 By then the term "Nazi" was in common use 31 00:05:54,743 --> 00:05:55,863 - Really? - Yes 32 00:05:56,063 --> 00:05:58,862 Yes? I need a handkerchief 33 00:06:09,145 --> 00:06:11,745 Then there was that rally in Berlin 34 00:06:12,866 --> 00:06:16,585 And as he spoke his very first words, 35 00:06:17,115 --> 00:06:20,155 "My national comrades" 36 00:06:23,916 --> 00:06:26,917 I was overcome by a very peculiar feeling 37 00:06:27,117 --> 00:06:30,596 My whole body was trembling and I had hot sweats 38 00:06:34,398 --> 00:06:36,918 And I was somehow 39 00:06:37,118 --> 00:06:40,238 captured, as if by a magnetic force 40 00:08:02,488 --> 00:08:06,089 If someone a 100 or 200 years from now 41 00:08:07,849 --> 00:08:10,010 takes a look at your work, 42 00:08:10,929 --> 00:08:13,569 what would you like for them to know about you? 43 00:08:13,770 --> 00:08:16,170 What is the most important thing you would like someone 44 00:08:16,370 --> 00:08:19,490 a 100 years or 200 years from now to know about you? 45 00:08:20,530 --> 00:08:24,212 I think, "The Blue Light", because it is the key for my life 46 00:09:07,977 --> 00:09:11,457 These photographs are from Riefenstahl's estate 47 00:09:14,176 --> 00:09:17,297 They document 101 years of her life 48 00:09:32,659 --> 00:09:36,860 The estate also includes her films and a large amount of footage 49 00:09:37,061 --> 00:09:39,901 that never appeared in her officially released works 50 00:09:41,461 --> 00:09:44,141 Some of the material appears to be random, 51 00:09:44,981 --> 00:09:49,221 while other items are well sorted, or even carefully arranged 52 00:09:53,143 --> 00:09:54,622 For something to be remembered, 53 00:09:55,942 --> 00:09:58,102 other things must be forgotten 54 00:11:19,873 --> 00:11:23,394 You said "naive" You used the word "naive" earlier 55 00:11:23,594 --> 00:11:25,234 - Did I say "naive"? - Yes 56 00:11:25,434 --> 00:11:26,754 Will you revise it? 57 00:11:26,953 --> 00:11:30,594 I should rather say I was inexperienced in that area 58 00:11:30,794 --> 00:11:32,155 You mean politically? 59 00:11:32,354 --> 00:11:33,955 Yes, most certainly 60 00:11:34,875 --> 00:11:36,395 Most certainly 61 00:11:36,795 --> 00:11:38,996 Politics 62 00:11:39,676 --> 00:11:41,955 is the opposite of everything 63 00:11:42,155 --> 00:11:45,836 that has fulfilled and fascinated me throughout my life 64 00:11:46,156 --> 00:11:48,837 - What is the opposite of politics? - Art 65 00:11:50,037 --> 00:11:51,877 For me, I think it's art 66 00:11:52,277 --> 00:11:56,757 Exploring things where you have to penetrate to a deeper level 67 00:11:57,317 --> 00:12:02,478 If you feel things intensely as an artist, and I was born that way, 68 00:12:02,958 --> 00:12:07,959 you live your life so ardently, so intensely, so passionately, 69 00:12:09,199 --> 00:12:13,039 that there's no room for interest in real-world issues 70 00:12:13,239 --> 00:12:14,439 So even today, 71 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,240 you don't believe that art and politics affect each other? 72 00:12:40,797 --> 00:12:42,667 THE WONDERFUL HORRIBLE LIFE OF LENI RIEFENSTAHL 73 00:12:42,691 --> 00:12:43,939 Now comes an interesting part 74 00:12:43,963 --> 00:12:46,764 This effect is created by the camera elevator 75 00:12:50,525 --> 00:12:52,205 Now the camera pans 76 00:12:54,085 --> 00:12:55,964 over to one side 77 00:12:56,484 --> 00:12:58,285 and then it pans back 78 00:12:58,765 --> 00:13:00,805 over to the other side 79 00:13:01,645 --> 00:13:05,286 And these two shots combine 80 00:13:05,486 --> 00:13:08,367 to create the form of a circle, 81 00:13:09,127 --> 00:13:12,166 and the resulting effect is very powerful 82 00:13:12,367 --> 00:13:14,887 The columns of flags overlap here 83 00:13:15,127 --> 00:13:17,327 Those are the Stahlhelm flags 84 00:13:20,368 --> 00:13:22,569 Exactly in sync with the music 85 00:13:31,329 --> 00:13:33,089 - Interesting? - Super 86 00:13:33,289 --> 00:13:35,970 That was the best scene of the day 87 00:13:36,170 --> 00:13:37,650 Wasn't it super? 88 00:13:40,211 --> 00:13:43,571 When you made "Triumph of the Will", you made it for Hitler 89 00:13:44,130 --> 00:13:46,291 Oh no, never I would say this 90 00:13:46,484 --> 00:13:49,371 I've got the order to do this and I've made my duty as good as I was able 91 00:13:49,429 --> 00:13:51,268 LENI RIEFENSTAHL IN HER OWN WORDS 92 00:13:51,292 --> 00:13:55,053 If Roosevelt gave me the order and I must make a film 93 00:13:55,252 --> 00:13:58,492 about the planes, I would do my best 94 00:13:58,686 --> 00:14:02,686 The same would be if I get the order of Stalin to make something 95 00:14:03,494 --> 00:14:07,774 In the moment I have the camera, the cameramen, the sound, everything 96 00:14:07,974 --> 00:14:09,774 I see the work 97 00:14:23,616 --> 00:14:25,655 ~They are mistaken$ 98 00:14:27,016 --> 00:14:30,776 ~The state does not give us orders,$ 99 00:14:30,977 --> 00:14:34,537 ~we give orders to the state$ 100 00:14:38,858 --> 00:14:42,618 ~The state did not create us,$ 101 00:14:43,418 --> 00:14:47,098 ~we are creating our state$ 102 00:14:59,460 --> 00:15:01,260 ~My Führer$ 103 00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:03,581 ~You are Germany$ 104 00:15:04,821 --> 00:15:08,142 ~When you act, the nation acts$ 105 00:15:08,341 --> 00:15:11,581 ~When you judge, the people judge$ 106 00:15:12,661 --> 00:15:16,302 You asked me if the film had a message 107 00:15:16,982 --> 00:15:21,023 When I edited the film, I did realize 108 00:15:21,223 --> 00:15:25,383 that there is a certain message You can find it in the film 109 00:15:29,904 --> 00:15:33,505 ~You have been our guarantor of victory$ 110 00:15:34,264 --> 00:15:37,065 Hess's rally speech in particular, 111 00:15:37,425 --> 00:15:41,865 when he says, "Hitler is our guarantor of peace" 112 00:15:42,305 --> 00:15:43,785 ~Adolf Hitler$ 113 00:15:44,225 --> 00:15:47,266 ~Sieg Heil$ 114 00:15:47,826 --> 00:15:51,107 "Peace, peace" That's a constant in the film 115 00:15:51,307 --> 00:15:54,268 There's no mention of other political goals or motives 116 00:15:54,467 --> 00:15:58,907 There's no mention of antisemitism, there's no mention of racial theory 117 00:15:59,107 --> 00:16:01,228 It's just about work and peace 118 00:16:07,269 --> 00:16:11,708 ~A people that does not hold dear its racial purity$ 119 00:16:11,909 --> 00:16:13,549 ~will perish$ 120 00:16:44,313 --> 00:16:48,193 But doesn't an artist who makes films have a broad impact on people? 121 00:16:48,394 --> 00:16:50,194 - Yes - And doesn't such an artist 122 00:16:50,394 --> 00:16:52,194 have a very special responsibility? 123 00:16:52,394 --> 00:16:54,154 What responsibility should I have? 124 00:16:54,354 --> 00:16:58,555 After all, back then 90 percent of the people were enthralled by Hitler 125 00:16:58,754 --> 00:17:01,435 You think I should have been a resistance fighter? 126 00:17:01,635 --> 00:17:03,716 There were only very few 127 00:17:03,915 --> 00:17:07,676 Should I have joined those few, or what do you mean? 128 00:18:23,925 --> 00:18:27,925 My two guests tonight are two elderly ladies, one could say 129 00:18:28,126 --> 00:18:30,647 They are both in their seventies 130 00:18:30,846 --> 00:18:33,567 Most of you will probably know one of them: 131 00:18:33,767 --> 00:18:34,727 Leni Riefenstahl 132 00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:38,127 Next to Mrs Riefenstahl is someone 133 00:18:38,487 --> 00:18:42,248 who I think very few people know, Elfriede Kretschmer 134 00:18:42,447 --> 00:18:45,248 Mrs Kretschmar, we know Mrs Riefenstahl made films 135 00:18:45,448 --> 00:18:46,808 What did you do? 136 00:18:47,128 --> 00:18:48,249 I worked 137 00:18:48,568 --> 00:18:50,009 I was a worker 138 00:18:54,769 --> 00:18:57,970 - Were you politically active back then? - Yes, very much so 139 00:18:58,610 --> 00:19:02,091 I couldn't go along with all of that I just couldn't do it 140 00:19:02,290 --> 00:19:06,211 My upbringing, my belief in a different Germany 141 00:19:06,411 --> 00:19:08,531 than what it became for 12 years 142 00:19:09,531 --> 00:19:13,012 I was lucky I was what you'd call a "German woman" 143 00:19:13,211 --> 00:19:15,612 I was blonde, blue-eyed, and so on 144 00:19:15,852 --> 00:19:18,252 But what the men went through in Hamburg 145 00:19:18,452 --> 00:19:20,333 I can only speak of Hamburg 146 00:19:20,613 --> 00:19:23,532 In the Fuhlsbüttel concentration camp, in Neuengamme 147 00:19:24,493 --> 00:19:28,254 Since you're both from the same generation, 148 00:19:28,453 --> 00:19:30,213 when was the first time 149 00:19:30,414 --> 00:19:32,054 you heard the name Riefenstahl? 150 00:19:32,414 --> 00:19:35,854 It was when I saw your film "The Blue Light", 151 00:19:36,055 --> 00:19:39,094 which I found fascinating on a technical level 152 00:19:39,295 --> 00:19:42,495 But with the later films I was actually 153 00:19:43,455 --> 00:19:47,496 quite saddened that a woman would make films 154 00:19:47,696 --> 00:19:50,177 that were against all of humanity 155 00:19:50,417 --> 00:19:53,577 And even today I still maintain 156 00:19:55,536 --> 00:19:59,257 that no one, or at least no one who lived in a big city, 157 00:19:59,458 --> 00:20:02,298 can claim they didn't know what was happening 158 00:20:02,858 --> 00:20:05,459 We were in our 30s at the time, 159 00:20:05,659 --> 00:20:07,819 and we knew what we were doing 160 00:20:08,498 --> 00:20:10,658 But how does someone end up 161 00:20:10,859 --> 00:20:12,859 shooting films like that? 162 00:20:13,059 --> 00:20:16,500 In my opinion, they are Pied Piper films, if I may say so 163 00:20:16,700 --> 00:20:20,020 I could never accept anything like that 164 00:20:20,221 --> 00:20:22,341 I never wanted to make a documentary 165 00:20:22,540 --> 00:20:24,500 I was commissioned to do it 166 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:26,420 - And I - By whom? 167 00:20:26,620 --> 00:20:30,662 - By Hitler Hitler had - I would have refused 168 00:20:30,861 --> 00:20:32,102 Yes, maybe 169 00:20:32,302 --> 00:20:33,382 But no one would've refused 170 00:20:33,582 --> 00:20:36,262 Back then, the whole world was enthralled by Hitler 171 00:20:36,502 --> 00:20:39,422 One year after that, Mr Churchill said, 172 00:20:39,622 --> 00:20:41,703 "I envy the Germans for their leader" 173 00:20:41,902 --> 00:20:44,783 And I saw all the diplomats at the Nuremburg rally 174 00:20:45,263 --> 00:20:48,463 They paid court to Hitler, but I didn't film that 175 00:20:48,664 --> 00:20:52,464 - We're not accusing you - The lady said she wouldn't do it 176 00:20:52,704 --> 00:20:54,024 The whole world? 177 00:20:54,223 --> 00:20:57,024 Back then, all the ambassadors were represented there 178 00:20:57,224 --> 00:21:00,265 - Ambassadors aren't 'the world' - Germany was admired 179 00:21:00,505 --> 00:21:02,385 But the entire press as well 180 00:21:03,866 --> 00:21:05,426 The entire press 181 00:21:06,306 --> 00:21:08,625 Back then, I couldn't foresee 182 00:21:08,826 --> 00:21:12,266 what was going to happen Nor could millions of others 183 00:21:12,466 --> 00:21:15,787 And you just have to believe that You can't always 184 00:21:15,987 --> 00:21:19,667 In retrospect, I'd be happy if I'd witnessed it like you 185 00:21:19,868 --> 00:21:21,748 I'd be so happy about it 186 00:21:21,948 --> 00:21:25,868 Because then I could say, "I witnessed it, I knew about it" 187 00:21:26,068 --> 00:21:29,388 But these days it's much more difficult 188 00:21:29,589 --> 00:21:32,909 for those who didn't know because no one believes them 189 00:21:33,109 --> 00:21:34,390 No one believes them 190 00:21:34,590 --> 00:21:38,350 And that is very difficult, believe me It's incredibly difficult 191 00:21:56,391 --> 00:22:00,472 CONTROVERSY FOLLOWING LENI RIEFENSTAHL'S TV APPEARANCE 192 00:22:03,273 --> 00:22:05,393 GERMAN MAIL (WEST) 193 00:22:05,673 --> 00:22:07,553 After the talk show appearance, 194 00:22:07,753 --> 00:22:11,474 Riefenstahl receives hundreds of letters and phone calls 195 00:22:11,674 --> 00:22:16,035 She meticulously sorts and archives the strong public reaction 196 00:22:18,955 --> 00:22:22,835 "I would like to congratulate you, also on behalf of many people I know, 197 00:22:23,034 --> 00:22:25,715 on your courageous appearance on the talk show" 198 00:22:25,955 --> 00:22:29,236 "How can you put a personality of Leni Riefenstahl's caliber 199 00:22:29,436 --> 00:22:31,356 opposite someone like Mrs Kretschmar, 200 00:22:31,556 --> 00:22:35,478 who had nothing to say except that she 'worked' Who didn't have to work?" 201 00:22:35,677 --> 00:22:40,477 "As you have realized, the majority of West Germans are on your side" 202 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:54,839 ~I would just like to say that, after the program on Saturday evening,$ 203 00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:56,840 ~I deeply admire Mrs Riefenstahl$ 204 00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:01,080 ~Her whole demeanor impressed us Thank you$ 205 00:23:03,881 --> 00:23:04,961 Hello? 206 00:23:05,161 --> 00:23:07,120 ~Dear Mrs Riefenstahl,$ 207 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,601 ~don't let those swines like Rosenbauer bring you down$ 208 00:23:11,801 --> 00:23:14,641 ~Justice will prevail in the end$ 209 00:23:16,282 --> 00:23:19,283 ~Certainly there were many reactions$ 210 00:23:19,483 --> 00:23:23,282 Many? It was more than anything I've ever experienced 211 00:23:23,483 --> 00:23:26,003 I'm getting more and more letters 212 00:23:26,203 --> 00:23:28,083 Audience letters 213 00:23:28,603 --> 00:23:30,603 (1) Letters to the broadcaster and newspapers 214 00:23:30,804 --> 00:23:33,164 (2) Normal mail/autograph requests 215 00:23:33,364 --> 00:23:36,285 (3) Letters with flowers, telegrams, or money 216 00:23:36,484 --> 00:23:38,245 (4) Private letters 217 00:23:38,444 --> 00:23:40,165 (5) Foreign letters 218 00:23:40,365 --> 00:23:42,925 (6) Letters from National Socialists 219 00:23:43,125 --> 00:23:47,246 (7) Letters from those with different views, Communists, Jews etc 220 00:23:48,206 --> 00:23:51,485 One moment, please I have to call my assistant 221 00:23:51,686 --> 00:23:53,847 Horst? Horst 222 00:23:54,726 --> 00:23:56,807 Stay here with me, Horst 223 00:23:57,047 --> 00:24:00,487 Horst is my assistant He's a student of mine 224 00:24:00,688 --> 00:24:04,889 He set it to 'record', and now we've got so many cassettes 225 00:24:09,408 --> 00:24:11,648 Kettner, Mrs Riefenstahl's assistant 226 00:24:11,849 --> 00:24:14,889 ~I wrote a reader's letter$ 227 00:24:15,090 --> 00:24:17,090 - Yes? ~- And I made it very clear$ 228 00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:19,410 ~how disgraceful it was to watch$ 229 00:24:19,610 --> 00:24:21,969 ~Mrs Riefenstahl being humiliated$ 230 00:24:22,170 --> 00:24:25,450 ~by a clueless and crude talk master$ 231 00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:30,651 ~and turned into an object of agitation by a hateful activist grandma$ 232 00:24:30,851 --> 00:24:32,692 You phrased that very well 233 00:24:32,891 --> 00:24:37,011 ~I'm a screenwriter by profession I write TV scripts for "Crime Scene"$ 234 00:24:55,334 --> 00:24:59,654 One man repeatedly crops up in the photos taken during these years: 235 00:24:59,855 --> 00:25:01,695 Horst Kettner 236 00:25:06,735 --> 00:25:09,255 He is 40 years younger than Riefenstahl 237 00:25:12,416 --> 00:25:15,497 Their relationship begins in 1967 238 00:25:17,817 --> 00:25:22,057 From that point on they are partners in both life and work 239 00:25:39,739 --> 00:25:42,740 We didn't feel the age difference be it younger or older 240 00:25:42,940 --> 00:25:45,541 We always felt the same age 241 00:25:49,902 --> 00:25:53,461 After all, when there's a 40-year age difference, 242 00:25:53,661 --> 00:25:55,701 one partner must always give in 243 00:25:55,902 --> 00:25:57,422 And that's me 244 00:26:03,143 --> 00:26:07,023 Many people admire me for putting up with her for so long 245 00:26:07,222 --> 00:26:08,423 It's the other way round 246 00:26:08,623 --> 00:26:11,423 - Leni says it's the other way - The other way round 247 00:26:24,265 --> 00:26:25,945 In the late 1970s, 248 00:26:26,146 --> 00:26:29,106 Riefenstahl and Horst Kettner move into a spacious home 249 00:26:29,306 --> 00:26:31,706 near the shores of Lake Starnberg 250 00:26:34,867 --> 00:26:39,267 It is from here that Riefenstahl, aided by her numerous supporters, 251 00:26:39,467 --> 00:26:43,628 campaigns to influence the public perception of her biography 252 00:26:48,069 --> 00:26:51,469 - Riefenstahl speaking - ~I'd just like to say this:$ 253 00:26:51,949 --> 00:26:54,109 ~You have no reason to be nervous$ 254 00:26:54,309 --> 00:26:56,829 ~You have achieved a great deal in your life$ 255 00:26:57,029 --> 00:27:01,350 Yes, but the press derides it They don't honor it at all 256 00:27:01,550 --> 00:27:04,871 ~You shouldn't put so much store in the gutter press, you know?$ 257 00:27:05,069 --> 00:27:08,831 ~I'm an editor at the "Abendzeitung" in Munich, Mrs Riefenstahl$ 258 00:27:09,030 --> 00:27:11,391 The "Abendzeitung" in Munich? 259 00:27:11,591 --> 00:27:15,112 So it's going to be another hatchet job? 260 00:27:15,312 --> 00:27:18,432 ~For your information, newspapers such as BILD$ 261 00:27:18,632 --> 00:27:22,512 ~- are actually right-wing$ - Yes, but it has a Jewish slant 262 00:27:22,712 --> 00:27:27,273 ~Well, Springer publishers invested in big offices down there in Tel Aviv$ 263 00:27:27,473 --> 00:27:28,753 Yes, exactly 264 00:27:28,953 --> 00:27:33,274 BILD newspaper described them as "Pied Piper films" in their article 265 00:27:37,274 --> 00:27:39,914 "TRIUMPH OF THE WILL" 266 00:27:40,114 --> 00:27:41,795 NEGATIVE 267 00:27:47,436 --> 00:27:52,676 ~May the bright flame of our fervor never be extinguished$ 268 00:27:52,876 --> 00:27:56,316 ~It alone is what gives the creative art$ 269 00:27:56,517 --> 00:28:00,637 ~of modern political propaganda its light and warmth$ 270 00:28:09,078 --> 00:28:15,600 ~The era of excessive Jewish intellectualism is now over$ 271 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,280 ~The breakthrough of the German revolution$ 272 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,320 ~has cleared the path for the German spirit$ 273 00:28:28,641 --> 00:28:31,922 ~In one bold, grandiose sweep,$ 274 00:28:32,962 --> 00:28:36,722 ~we have herded together the enemies of this land$ 275 00:28:41,202 --> 00:28:43,242 ~They should beware$ 276 00:28:45,283 --> 00:28:48,484 ~One day our patience will run out,$ 277 00:28:48,684 --> 00:28:52,963 ~and then we will finally shut the Jews' impudent lying mouths$ 278 00:29:08,485 --> 00:29:11,806 It was a very big thing with Goebbels 279 00:29:12,006 --> 00:29:17,127 He was crazy because he practically risked his life to get me 280 00:29:17,888 --> 00:29:22,487 - So it was an adventure? - I had many adventures with Goebbels 281 00:29:22,687 --> 00:29:25,928 He read 'Zarathustra' to me, he kneeled before me 282 00:29:26,128 --> 00:29:28,728 He tried everything to get me 283 00:29:28,929 --> 00:29:33,569 One night, he drove away with me in my car and we turned it over 284 00:29:33,769 --> 00:29:35,928 - And - Like in a bad film? 285 00:29:36,929 --> 00:29:40,330 Yes By the way, I shouldn't forget to mention 286 00:29:40,810 --> 00:29:45,971 that two times, once when he was minister and we were in his apartment, 287 00:29:47,131 --> 00:29:49,850 he wanted to take me by force 288 00:29:55,030 --> 00:29:58,069 THE WONDERFUL, HORRIBLE LIFE OF LENI RIEFENSTAHL - UNRELEASED FOOTAGE 289 00:29:58,092 --> 00:30:00,532 45, 3047, 48, 49, 50 290 00:30:01,773 --> 00:30:05,893 - Rolling - Sound speed 291 00:30:06,092 --> 00:30:07,333 Okay 292 00:30:07,852 --> 00:30:13,253 Goebbels wanted to have me at any cost, he wanted to make me his lover 293 00:30:13,574 --> 00:30:16,895 But he wasn't my type at all 294 00:30:17,135 --> 00:30:19,734 I didn't feel attracted to him 295 00:30:19,934 --> 00:30:24,895 Hitler had no idea what had happened with Dr Goebbels 296 00:30:25,255 --> 00:30:29,416 All the affairs he had with me 297 00:30:29,616 --> 00:30:34,176 May I just correct you? You used an unfortunate phrasing: 298 00:30:34,376 --> 00:30:38,057 - "All the affairs he had with me" - No, that's not good 299 00:30:38,257 --> 00:30:40,017 Can we do it again, please? 300 00:30:41,697 --> 00:30:45,218 When we read Goebbels' diaries from early 1933, 301 00:30:45,418 --> 00:30:50,058 one has the impression you visited Hitler and Goebbels at home like a good friend 302 00:30:50,258 --> 00:30:52,819 That's pure fantasy It's not true 303 00:30:53,018 --> 00:30:56,019 I know those comments in his diary I never 304 00:30:56,219 --> 00:30:59,939 You visited him about ten times, went to the cinema 305 00:31:00,140 --> 00:31:02,901 It can't be true, just do the math 306 00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:05,900 I wasn't with him ten times That's untrue 307 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:09,141 You should take a closer look, Mr Müller 308 00:31:09,341 --> 00:31:11,941 We need to stop because it's not correct 309 00:31:12,141 --> 00:31:17,222 If you like, we'll check it entry by entry that's written there 310 00:31:17,422 --> 00:31:22,622 But socially He would've had to invite me to his home at least once 311 00:31:22,822 --> 00:31:25,703 - And he didn't? - No Not once 312 00:31:25,903 --> 00:31:28,183 Not even to Schwanenwerder, where they'd all go 313 00:31:28,423 --> 00:31:31,664 Not only did I not go, I wasn't even invited 314 00:31:32,864 --> 00:31:36,063 - I'm so upset about what you said - Let's take a break 315 00:31:36,264 --> 00:31:37,344 Unheard of 316 00:31:37,544 --> 00:31:41,065 - I can show it to you - Then show me where it says 317 00:31:41,265 --> 00:31:44,745 that I would come and go like a good friend 318 00:31:44,945 --> 00:31:47,186 - Okay, let's take a break - Horsti 319 00:31:47,386 --> 00:31:50,265 - Horsti, I have to defend - They're filming all of this 320 00:31:50,505 --> 00:31:54,266 Yes, maybe so No, they can't film this 321 00:31:54,586 --> 00:31:57,227 I won't carry on if you keep filming 322 00:31:57,426 --> 00:32:00,268 outside of the interview when I'm upset 323 00:32:00,467 --> 00:32:04,107 - I won't go on No way - I can show you 324 00:32:04,307 --> 00:32:07,507 - We're having a conversation - No, you can film that, 325 00:32:07,708 --> 00:32:09,348 but not when I said stop 326 00:32:09,548 --> 00:32:11,468 - But we continued and you - No 327 00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:13,909 I was talking off the record 328 00:32:14,109 --> 00:32:17,109 - But it wasn't - Would I say that in front of a camera? 329 00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:21,150 - You said I should prove it to you - Yes No No 330 00:32:21,469 --> 00:32:23,870 But then we carried on 331 00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:25,910 No, everything from there must go 332 00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:28,911 - Calm down, this won't help - Excuse me No 333 00:32:29,111 --> 00:32:31,712 - I won't be abused here - You can't call it off now 334 00:32:31,952 --> 00:32:34,391 Take that away until it's cut 335 00:32:47,872 --> 00:32:51,833 ~I read the interview with you in yesterday's evening paper$ 336 00:32:52,033 --> 00:32:53,953 - Yes ~- And you said$ 337 00:32:54,154 --> 00:32:56,314 ~- that you want to write your memoirs$ - Yes 338 00:32:56,514 --> 00:32:58,754 ~And that would be a huge success$ 339 00:32:59,875 --> 00:33:03,434 ~- You should do it It takes a long time$ - I know 340 00:33:03,635 --> 00:33:05,474 But I went through it all, 341 00:33:05,675 --> 00:33:08,835 it's all written in my body and in my mind 342 00:33:15,397 --> 00:33:19,237 Riefenstahl works on her memoirs for over ten years 343 00:33:20,956 --> 00:33:23,757 Page after page, she grapples with the task 344 00:33:23,957 --> 00:33:26,558 of shaping how she will be remembered 345 00:33:29,278 --> 00:33:31,638 I'm trying to find something here 346 00:33:32,199 --> 00:33:33,918 A new page 347 00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:38,119 Let's see what you wrote today 348 00:33:38,679 --> 00:33:40,360 I'll go around you 349 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,400 The assault by Goebbels is just one of many that she describes 350 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,921 in the draft of her memoirs 351 00:34:01,642 --> 00:34:04,682 "Feelings of desperation" 352 00:34:04,882 --> 00:34:08,523 "Father especially irritable" 353 00:34:08,763 --> 00:34:11,483 "without tenderness" 354 00:34:11,684 --> 00:34:13,884 "The first man" 355 00:34:19,324 --> 00:34:21,165 "Although I didn't want to admit it, 356 00:34:21,364 --> 00:34:25,805 I had developed strong feelings for the tennis player Otto Froitzheim 357 00:34:29,646 --> 00:34:32,965 I was informed that he intended to invite me for tea 358 00:34:33,166 --> 00:34:35,206 at his flat in Tiergarten 359 00:34:36,326 --> 00:34:38,606 He put on a gramophone record 360 00:34:38,807 --> 00:34:42,327 and without resisting I let him pull me out of my chair 361 00:34:43,887 --> 00:34:46,688 I danced with him as if hypnotized 362 00:34:47,887 --> 00:34:49,767 He practically tore my clothes off, 363 00:34:51,208 --> 00:34:53,769 and tried to take me by brute force 364 00:34:56,809 --> 00:34:57,969 He entered me, 365 00:34:58,449 --> 00:35:00,490 and I screamed out in pain" 366 00:35:00,810 --> 00:35:03,369 "Shame" 367 00:35:03,569 --> 00:35:05,770 "Love" 368 00:35:10,290 --> 00:35:13,492 Riefenstahl describes the encounter with Otto Froitzheim 369 00:35:13,691 --> 00:35:17,811 in exactly the same way in different stages of the writing process 370 00:35:18,412 --> 00:35:21,772 However, she varies her accounts of other events 371 00:35:21,972 --> 00:35:25,052 Almost as if she needs to make sure herself 372 00:35:25,853 --> 00:35:28,773 "Rauchfangswerder" 373 00:35:45,255 --> 00:35:47,134 "My father often said, 374 00:35:47,415 --> 00:35:50,135 'It's a pity you weren't born a boy' 375 00:35:52,736 --> 00:35:57,177 I was barely five and my father wanted me to learn how to swim 376 00:35:58,137 --> 00:36:00,658 He made me a life jacket out of reeds 377 00:36:00,857 --> 00:36:03,297 and tossed me into the water 378 00:36:06,017 --> 00:36:09,138 I can still remember those seconds of drowning, 379 00:36:10,418 --> 00:36:12,179 the thoughts 380 00:36:13,058 --> 00:36:15,419 Before I lost consciousness in the water 381 00:36:15,619 --> 00:36:20,019 I was overcome by a feeling that death by drowning was not so bad 382 00:36:23,979 --> 00:36:26,461 I soon became a strong swimmer" 383 00:36:35,061 --> 00:36:36,621 "the men" 384 00:36:37,581 --> 00:36:39,341 "I saw my father" 385 00:36:41,542 --> 00:36:43,302 During the writing process, 386 00:36:43,503 --> 00:36:45,983 she records conversations with her publisher 387 00:36:46,183 --> 00:36:48,342 and other acquaintances on tape 388 00:36:48,543 --> 00:36:50,183 CASSETTE TAPES MANUSCRIPT 389 00:36:50,383 --> 00:36:51,823 MEMOIRS 390 00:36:52,023 --> 00:36:55,904 Since you mention childhood, another thing that happened 391 00:36:56,104 --> 00:36:58,025 when I was about 12 or 13 392 00:36:58,304 --> 00:37:01,104 - Is that clear enough? - Yes, certainly 393 00:37:01,522 --> 00:37:03,803 CONVERSATION WITH DIETER WILD JOURNALIST 394 00:37:06,025 --> 00:37:08,706 As children, we used to steal 395 00:37:09,025 --> 00:37:13,627 One day, I was in a general store 396 00:37:14,787 --> 00:37:17,746 and I secretly took a bar of chocolate 397 00:37:19,306 --> 00:37:21,507 My father beat me half to death 398 00:37:22,147 --> 00:37:27,068 He had a coat hanger or something, and he gave me a terrible beating 399 00:37:27,388 --> 00:37:33,268 Then he locked me up in a toilet for about 12 hours 400 00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:40,510 But I still wouldn't accept that I was wrong Imagine that 401 00:37:40,709 --> 00:37:42,229 Just a moment 402 00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:55,111 These passages do not appear in her published memoirs 403 00:37:55,671 --> 00:37:59,312 And in later interviews she makes no mention of them 404 00:38:26,476 --> 00:38:28,195 My mother 405 00:38:28,915 --> 00:38:32,995 saw my life as the fulfillment of her own life 406 00:38:36,797 --> 00:38:38,917 You mean your mother was also ambitious? 407 00:38:39,116 --> 00:38:42,637 She, too, had the wish to play a part? 408 00:38:44,637 --> 00:38:48,517 So basically one could say that you are 409 00:38:50,118 --> 00:38:53,359 the daughter of a stage mother, to put it provocatively 410 00:38:53,558 --> 00:38:56,079 "Stage mother"? She was never on stage 411 00:38:56,279 --> 00:38:58,119 It's when a young girl's career 412 00:38:58,319 --> 00:38:59,920 I see When the mother 413 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,759 is dictated by a mother who tries to achieve 414 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,920 what she herself dreamed of doing 415 00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:09,201 Yes My mother would say, "You can't give up, Leni 416 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,321 - You must persevere You really must" - Yes 417 00:40:11,528 --> 00:40:14,009 - Cheers - Cheers Thank you 418 00:40:14,209 --> 00:40:16,248 Isn't it nice to meet again? 419 00:40:16,448 --> 00:40:18,769 This won't be the last time 420 00:40:18,859 --> 00:40:21,870 CONVERSATION WITH SCHOOL FRIENDS ALICE AND HERTHA 421 00:40:22,329 --> 00:40:24,450 How sweet, Horst Thank you 422 00:40:25,610 --> 00:40:27,770 Would you like another coffee? 423 00:40:28,171 --> 00:40:30,010 - No, thanks so much - And you? 424 00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:34,491 You know what I wanted to ask you, Alice? 425 00:40:34,971 --> 00:40:37,652 How old were we when we first met? 426 00:40:37,851 --> 00:40:39,692 Well, I joined the school 427 00:40:40,692 --> 00:40:44,932 - and I noticed that you were very pretty - yes? 428 00:40:45,131 --> 00:40:48,052 You were incredibly ambitious 429 00:40:48,252 --> 00:40:49,493 You would throw a fit, 430 00:40:49,692 --> 00:40:53,014 sometimes it was an act and sometimes it was genuine, 431 00:40:53,213 --> 00:40:55,174 if things didn't work out 432 00:40:55,374 --> 00:40:58,214 or if you didn't get the praise you expected for your work, 433 00:40:58,415 --> 00:41:00,013 if you didn't get an A 434 00:41:10,136 --> 00:41:12,096 You had a black tulle dress 435 00:41:12,296 --> 00:41:14,535 and you looked like a femme fatale 436 00:41:15,015 --> 00:41:17,496 And Mrs Kollmorgen said, 437 00:41:17,936 --> 00:41:22,217 "Your daughter is a beauty", and we looked up the word 438 00:41:34,138 --> 00:41:35,898 You know what she did? 439 00:41:36,099 --> 00:41:38,099 She once said to her mother, 440 00:41:38,299 --> 00:41:43,100 "You know, Mommy? I think Hertha will look quite nice when she's older" 441 00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:45,259 So very gracious of her 442 00:41:45,619 --> 00:41:48,260 That's so typical of my friend Leni 443 00:41:49,860 --> 00:41:52,781 - You were the first one to - I was an early developer 444 00:41:52,981 --> 00:41:54,741 I looked like your nanny 445 00:41:54,941 --> 00:41:58,742 We showed each other our breasts, and mine were the biggest 446 00:41:58,942 --> 00:42:02,822 I was a terribly late developer in that area 447 00:42:03,021 --> 00:42:06,463 I began stuffing socks into my bra in my schooldays 448 00:42:06,782 --> 00:42:09,743 - Because I had no breasts yet and - We can't say that 449 00:42:09,943 --> 00:42:11,423 Sure, we can 450 00:42:11,624 --> 00:42:14,263 - I did all sorts of things - You used paint 451 00:42:14,463 --> 00:42:19,664 - I put red paint on my knickers - To show off her period 452 00:42:22,384 --> 00:42:24,065 But she hadn't had one yet 453 00:42:24,264 --> 00:42:27,985 I thought that none of you took me seriously 454 00:42:45,647 --> 00:42:48,062 THE WHITE HELL OF PIZ PALU 455 00:43:06,389 --> 00:43:10,710 From the mid-1920s Riefenstahl works with Arnold Fanck, 456 00:43:10,911 --> 00:43:14,511 the famous director of many successful "mountain films" 457 00:43:16,751 --> 00:43:19,271 Although she had never acted before, 458 00:43:19,471 --> 00:43:21,631 Riefenstahl demands a leading role 459 00:43:33,633 --> 00:43:36,674 The film is shot under extreme conditions 460 00:43:39,935 --> 00:43:42,674 STORM OVER MONT BLANC 461 00:43:59,276 --> 00:44:04,317 Tethered by a rope, she once plunges 15 meters into a crevasse 462 00:44:05,637 --> 00:44:09,638 She risks frostbite while shooting at minus 20 degrees 463 00:44:17,438 --> 00:44:20,399 Riefenstahl is the only woman on set 464 00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:25,080 All of the men are First World War veterans 465 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:42,642 "Memory is the only paradise from which we cannot be banished" 466 00:45:07,765 --> 00:45:10,045 STORM OVER MONT BLANC 467 00:45:15,246 --> 00:45:19,447 In 1933, Ernst Udet writes in his memoirs: 468 00:45:21,367 --> 00:45:24,407 "My generation has been shaped by the war 469 00:45:24,968 --> 00:45:27,448 The weaker ones were broken by it 470 00:45:28,247 --> 00:45:32,288 But for the rest of us, the will to live has grown stronger 471 00:45:37,848 --> 00:45:40,210 We were soldiers without a flag 472 00:45:41,129 --> 00:45:43,529 But the Führer gave us one to hold up" 473 00:46:55,978 --> 00:46:59,979 You say, you were just there to take a picture of what was going on in Nuremberg 474 00:47:00,178 --> 00:47:03,139 Absolut It was nothing made for the film 475 00:47:03,339 --> 00:47:07,940 I was only six days before the rally was starting in Nuremberg 476 00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:12,260 You have been quoted as saying that it was staged for your benefit 477 00:47:12,460 --> 00:47:16,061 This have written journalists but not I It was nothing staged 478 00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:18,621 You've probably read also, 479 00:47:18,821 --> 00:47:21,862 there was one critic who said that this film could never have been made 480 00:47:22,062 --> 00:47:24,702 by anyone not fanatically at one with the events depicted 481 00:47:24,902 --> 00:47:26,342 And another critic called it 482 00:47:26,543 --> 00:47:29,742 "a hymn of praise to brute strength and mindless hysteria" 483 00:47:29,942 --> 00:47:32,863 This is the opinion of critic people 484 00:47:33,063 --> 00:47:35,544 But this has nothing to do with the truth 485 00:49:26,078 --> 00:49:28,597 ~We want you,$ 486 00:49:28,797 --> 00:49:31,358 ~German boys and German girls,$ 487 00:49:33,118 --> 00:49:35,799 ~to take in all of this$ 488 00:49:40,919 --> 00:49:43,679 ~The Führer of the German youth has the floor$ 489 00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:45,959 ~We want to ensure$ 490 00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:49,880 ~that this people will not one day end up enfeebled,$ 491 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,801 ~but that it can instead be tough$ 492 00:49:53,161 --> 00:49:57,761 ~And while you are young, you must harden yourselves for this$ 493 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,081 ~You must learn to endure hardship$ 494 00:50:03,722 --> 00:50:06,002 ~without ever$ 495 00:50:07,402 --> 00:50:09,163 ~collapsing$ 496 00:50:09,603 --> 00:50:12,802 ~Because whatever we achieve today,$ 497 00:50:13,683 --> 00:50:17,684 ~and whatever we do, we will pass away$ 498 00:50:18,404 --> 00:50:21,524 ~But in you, Germany will live on$ 499 00:50:21,724 --> 00:50:24,365 ~And when there is nothing left of us,$ 500 00:50:24,564 --> 00:50:26,684 ~you must take the flag$ 501 00:50:26,884 --> 00:50:30,444 ~that we raised from nothing,$ 502 00:50:30,845 --> 00:50:33,406 ~and hold it in your fists$ 503 00:51:16,211 --> 00:51:19,492 This is side 1, Leni Riefenstahl, 504 00:51:19,691 --> 00:51:23,172 November 14, 1976 505 00:51:23,272 --> 00:51:26,055 CONVERSATION WITH ERNEST A OSTRO JOURNALIST 506 00:51:26,251 --> 00:51:30,372 Can you remember the first time you met Speer in person? 507 00:51:31,933 --> 00:51:36,013 It was one day before the rally, on a lawn somewhere 508 00:51:36,253 --> 00:51:38,334 - At the grounds? - Yes 509 00:51:38,774 --> 00:51:40,573 It was in 1933 510 00:51:42,054 --> 00:51:43,454 And 511 00:51:44,774 --> 00:51:47,974 I said, "It doesn't matter whether he's a National Socialist, 512 00:51:48,175 --> 00:51:50,015 or a Jew, or whatever, 513 00:51:50,215 --> 00:51:53,096 this man is a great person" 514 00:51:54,776 --> 00:51:58,256 We immediately felt a rapport 515 00:51:58,456 --> 00:52:01,776 when it came to art and our professions 516 00:52:03,017 --> 00:52:05,617 We were somehow quite similar 517 00:52:06,617 --> 00:52:09,738 Strong willed, idealistic, 518 00:52:09,938 --> 00:52:13,618 prepared to make sacrifices, and also uncompromising 519 00:52:27,379 --> 00:52:31,500 It's so nice to meet you As the Reich Architect, you built all this 520 00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:33,301 What can you tell us? 521 00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:36,501 The Luitpoldarena will be finished this year 522 00:52:36,741 --> 00:52:39,622 The Luitpoldhalle is finished too 523 00:52:39,821 --> 00:52:43,982 But everything you see here is just the beginning of a huge ensemble 524 00:52:44,181 --> 00:52:46,662 that will be built in the coming years 525 00:52:48,903 --> 00:52:51,863 The architect Albert Speer was responsible 526 00:52:52,103 --> 00:52:55,182 for the construction planning of the Nuremberg Rally 527 00:52:57,743 --> 00:53:03,944 In 1942, Hitler appointed him Reich Minister of Armaments and Munitions 528 00:53:06,625 --> 00:53:11,144 Speer organized the mass recruitment of concentration camp inmates 529 00:53:11,345 --> 00:53:15,345 and forced laborers for the German armaments industry 530 00:53:17,226 --> 00:53:19,266 Hundreds of thousands of prisoners 531 00:53:19,466 --> 00:53:22,587 succumbed to the inhumane working conditions 532 00:53:26,746 --> 00:53:29,467 Speer is convicted at the Nuremberg Trial 533 00:53:29,667 --> 00:53:32,668 and sentenced to 20 years in prison 534 00:53:37,149 --> 00:53:39,828 He is released in 1966 535 00:53:45,629 --> 00:53:49,270 While in prison he begins writing his memoirs, 536 00:53:49,950 --> 00:53:52,350 which become a worldwide success 537 00:54:05,872 --> 00:54:07,993 I don't want to hold a press conference 538 00:54:08,192 --> 00:54:10,872 - Just one question - No, no questions whatsoever 539 00:54:12,313 --> 00:54:15,393 On the day he was released he said, 540 00:54:15,593 --> 00:54:18,713 "Oh, I'm quite fine" He deliberately downplayed it 541 00:54:19,834 --> 00:54:22,875 And I thought, my God, how is that possible? 542 00:54:34,235 --> 00:54:38,597 Albert, you know, I need your advice about something 543 00:54:38,796 --> 00:54:42,756 Before I finish my memoirs I need advice about the contract 544 00:54:42,956 --> 00:54:44,396 ~Your memoirs? Yes, sure$ 545 00:54:44,597 --> 00:54:47,917 - So I don't make any mistakes ~- Don't you have someone$ 546 00:54:48,117 --> 00:54:53,719 - Oh, lots, whoever I like ~- Well, especially in that case$ 547 00:54:53,918 --> 00:54:55,797 Yes, well, I mean 548 00:54:56,798 --> 00:55:01,279 almost all of the big publishers are basically waiting for it 549 00:56:02,286 --> 00:56:04,686 I've always fought as if my life was at stake 550 00:56:07,168 --> 00:56:09,087 Until I got my way 551 00:56:14,167 --> 00:56:16,168 The Reich Ministry of Propaganda 552 00:56:16,368 --> 00:56:20,369 grants Riefenstahl a huge budget for her film "Olympia", 553 00:56:20,569 --> 00:56:25,809 which at the time is the most costly documentary project in film history 554 00:56:42,371 --> 00:56:45,011 When you're obsessed with your work 555 00:56:46,772 --> 00:56:51,372 it radiates a certain kind of energy that is very persuasive to people 556 00:57:06,614 --> 00:57:09,094 Back then, a lot was uncharted territory 557 00:57:09,815 --> 00:57:12,935 I'd already developed some innovations 558 00:57:13,695 --> 00:57:16,215 I practiced for months in advance 559 00:57:16,776 --> 00:57:21,616 because I knew it was the only way to transcend the "Wochenschau" newsreels 560 00:57:22,737 --> 00:57:25,657 It was the only way to make a really vibrant film 561 00:57:41,818 --> 00:57:47,740 So I assigned the camera operators according to their skills and abilities 562 00:57:50,780 --> 00:57:53,340 They all wanted to outdo each other 563 00:57:54,259 --> 00:57:58,141 They were very competitive and wanted to do the best possible work 564 00:58:02,142 --> 00:58:04,302 ~The long jump competition$ 565 00:58:04,502 --> 00:58:07,382 ~has come down to a battle between the German Luz Long$ 566 00:58:07,582 --> 00:58:11,582 ~and the fastest runner in the world Jesse Owens$ 567 00:58:32,265 --> 00:58:33,466 ~806 meters$ 568 00:58:41,706 --> 00:58:43,826 ~Asakuma for Japan$ 569 00:58:54,147 --> 00:58:57,788 ~Meter by meter, Germany's starter Emmy Albus is catching up to$ 570 00:58:57,988 --> 00:59:01,149 ~the outside runners from Holland and Canada$ 571 00:59:10,910 --> 00:59:13,550 ~The deciding race in the 100-meter sprint$ 572 00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:15,790 ~The world's six fastest runners$ 573 00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:17,310 ~are lining up$ 574 00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:19,111 ~Borchmeyer,$ 575 00:59:19,751 --> 00:59:20,911 ~Wykoff,$ 576 00:59:21,352 --> 00:59:22,391 ~Owens$ 577 00:59:22,590 --> 00:59:27,112 ~USA USA Owens, Owens, Owens$ 578 00:59:28,272 --> 00:59:29,752 Why Jesse Owens? 579 00:59:30,392 --> 00:59:33,272 Well, Jesse Owens stood out for me 580 00:59:33,473 --> 00:59:36,714 It was the first time I'd ever seen black people 581 00:59:37,008 --> 00:59:39,792 CONVERSATION WITH RAIMUND LE VISEUR JOURNALIST 582 00:59:41,073 --> 00:59:43,473 And I was electrified 583 00:59:43,674 --> 00:59:45,074 Yes Why? 584 00:59:45,274 --> 00:59:47,594 They were very well built 585 00:59:47,834 --> 00:59:50,275 - and moved like big cats - Yes 586 00:59:50,475 --> 00:59:51,875 ~Get set$ 587 00:59:55,355 --> 00:59:57,555 During the actual competition 588 00:59:57,755 --> 01:00:00,676 I wasn't aware that I'd focused on him so much 589 01:00:00,876 --> 01:00:03,597 I only realized during the editing 590 01:00:11,557 --> 01:00:12,797 Madame 591 01:00:13,237 --> 01:00:17,278 Madame, I'm very pleased to be interviewing you for Pathé Journal 592 01:00:17,478 --> 01:00:19,279 How is the lighting? 593 01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:22,799 - Invited by Tobis Berlin - Wait a moment What? 594 01:00:24,295 --> 01:00:25,832 PARI'S WORLD'S FAIR 595 01:00:26,279 --> 01:00:27,719 Don't talk 596 01:00:27,919 --> 01:00:31,560 I'm sure your film will be a great success 597 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,561 because all of Paris is already talking about it 598 01:00:36,561 --> 01:00:38,160 Thank you very much 599 01:00:40,801 --> 01:00:42,321 That's it 600 01:00:50,122 --> 01:00:51,602 - Okay - Okay? 601 01:02:18,173 --> 01:02:20,134 I've seen several of the films 602 01:02:20,333 --> 01:02:21,813 you've made 603 01:02:22,013 --> 01:02:26,534 I was always fascinated by the camera techniques you employed 604 01:02:26,734 --> 01:02:29,415 For the time, it was sensational 605 01:02:29,614 --> 01:02:31,455 But what you did 606 01:02:32,495 --> 01:02:35,975 In the Olympia film, there were these beautiful, 607 01:02:36,695 --> 01:02:40,216 very nobly-figured people portrayed on screen 608 01:02:41,056 --> 01:02:43,496 I didn't make them they were like that 609 01:02:43,736 --> 01:02:47,777 Yes, and you portrayed them But I asked myself the question: 610 01:02:47,977 --> 01:02:49,777 Would you have made a film 611 01:02:49,977 --> 01:02:52,337 - about disabled people? - No 612 01:02:52,537 --> 01:02:54,417 - Would it have interested you? - No 613 01:02:54,618 --> 01:02:56,898 - Why not? - That's not my job 614 01:02:57,098 --> 01:02:59,058 That's what I mean If you say, 615 01:02:59,258 --> 01:03:01,539 - "I won't make a documentary" - Wait 616 01:03:01,779 --> 01:03:04,820 At the Olympics, I didn't have a choice 617 01:03:05,019 --> 01:03:07,618 I had 30 cameramen filming the event 618 01:03:07,819 --> 01:03:12,100 And that's what's in the film Nothing was staged or reconstructed 619 01:03:12,299 --> 01:03:16,380 I didn't alter the people, dress them up, or have them pose 620 01:03:16,581 --> 01:03:20,301 What you see in the film was shot by 30 different cameramen 621 01:03:20,501 --> 01:03:22,740 from very different positions 622 01:03:22,941 --> 01:03:25,501 And they filmed reality as it was 623 01:03:25,702 --> 01:03:29,262 Of course I didn't film, or the cameramen 624 01:03:29,462 --> 01:03:32,783 I didn't shoot it myself, I just told them where to stand 625 01:03:32,983 --> 01:03:37,463 And of course they didn't film Jesse Owens wiping his bum or anything 626 01:03:37,662 --> 01:03:41,943 They preferred to film him in his concentration, on the start line 627 01:03:42,144 --> 01:03:46,464 It was the Olympics, and everyone wants to be the best 628 01:03:46,664 --> 01:03:49,985 That goes for all Olympics, not just the German Olympics 629 01:03:50,185 --> 01:03:53,745 It's the same in Montreal, in Rome, in Japan, everywhere 630 01:03:53,944 --> 01:03:56,585 It's very puzzling why people always accuse me 631 01:03:56,785 --> 01:03:59,146 of embellishing things in that film 632 01:03:59,386 --> 01:04:03,747 Of course the athletes look much fitter than a man with a fat belly, 633 01:04:03,947 --> 01:04:05,426 but I can't help it 634 01:04:05,626 --> 01:04:08,586 I didn't conjure them up or anything 635 01:04:42,831 --> 01:04:46,192 We needed some images of people for the prologue 636 01:04:46,432 --> 01:04:50,432 So we decided to shoot by the sea, at the Curonian Spit, 637 01:04:50,631 --> 01:04:53,552 because of the sky and the calm background 638 01:04:58,673 --> 01:05:02,194 I delegated the conception of the prologue to Zielke 639 01:05:03,114 --> 01:05:05,674 He was a brilliant creator of images 640 01:05:05,873 --> 01:05:11,675 No other, let's say, 'regular', cinematographer could measure up to him 641 01:05:11,875 --> 01:05:14,995 Because of his ideas and his methods 642 01:05:15,195 --> 01:05:19,396 you knew he'd do things you had to keep in check 643 01:05:26,876 --> 01:05:30,998 I'd seen some of the footage Zielke had shot, and it was fabulous 644 01:05:31,197 --> 01:05:34,398 It was very stylized He filmed against the light 645 01:05:34,877 --> 01:05:38,798 so the bodies were only half-lit and looked very beautiful 646 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:52,240 We worked together on the somewhat difficult scene of the transformation 647 01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:56,240 In a slow-motion shot we see 648 01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:01,001 Myron's discus thrower gradually starts to awaken, 649 01:06:01,201 --> 01:06:03,681 like a statue coming to life 650 01:06:26,604 --> 01:06:29,764 Willy Zielke works to the point of exhaustion 651 01:06:30,924 --> 01:06:34,324 Not long after the film shoot, he suffers a breakdown 652 01:06:34,564 --> 01:06:39,085 and is committed to an institution due to an alleged psychosis 653 01:06:42,606 --> 01:06:46,286 Riefenstahl is regularly informed about his condition, 654 01:06:46,487 --> 01:06:48,447 but does not react 655 01:06:55,407 --> 01:07:00,049 In August 1937, Zielke is forcibly sterilized in accordance 656 01:07:00,248 --> 01:07:03,849 with the Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring 657 01:07:16,930 --> 01:07:19,810 "What makes the Greek ideal of beauty immortal 658 01:07:20,050 --> 01:07:24,131 is the wonderful combination of the most magnificent physical beauty 659 01:07:24,331 --> 01:07:27,571 with brilliant mind and noblest soul 660 01:07:28,212 --> 01:07:31,052 This, too, is in the interest of the nation 661 01:07:31,253 --> 01:07:34,532 that the most beautiful bodies should find one another 662 01:07:34,732 --> 01:07:37,733 and so help to give the nation new beauty" 663 01:07:38,852 --> 01:07:41,853 Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" 664 01:07:52,735 --> 01:07:54,574 Do you remember the premiere? 665 01:07:54,775 --> 01:07:57,175 - Yes, very well - Tell me about it 666 01:07:57,375 --> 01:08:00,095 Shortly before, they told me: 667 01:08:00,296 --> 01:08:03,297 "The film cannot be shown" 668 01:08:03,496 --> 01:08:05,656 The reason they gave me 669 01:08:06,016 --> 01:08:09,057 was the "Anschluss" with Austria 670 01:08:20,977 --> 01:08:23,138 Many of the countries whose representatives 671 01:08:23,338 --> 01:08:24,978 raised their arms in the Hitler salute 672 01:08:25,739 --> 01:08:30,259 will fall victim to his expansionist policies a few years later 673 01:08:31,059 --> 01:08:32,740 Austria is the first casualty 674 01:08:32,940 --> 01:08:33,699 AUSTRIA 675 01:08:33,900 --> 01:08:38,100 In March 1938, German troops march over the border 676 01:08:38,300 --> 01:08:41,541 Hitler calls it the "Anschluss", the annexation 677 01:08:46,061 --> 01:08:50,702 After Riefenstahl's premiere is cancelled she follows him to Innsbruck 678 01:08:51,701 --> 01:08:53,302 It was incredible 679 01:08:53,902 --> 01:08:57,623 He was still beaming from his success 680 01:09:02,544 --> 01:09:06,864 I said, "Forgive me, my Führer, for addressing you here, 681 01:09:08,184 --> 01:09:11,264 but I am so deeply upset 682 01:09:11,465 --> 01:09:14,905 that my premiere has been postponed" 683 01:09:16,626 --> 01:09:18,545 Then I had an idea and I said, 684 01:09:18,745 --> 01:09:21,825 "I'd know of a good date: your birthday" 685 01:09:23,025 --> 01:09:25,546 Then he looked at me and said, 686 01:09:25,746 --> 01:09:28,786 "Yes, but I have so many parades to attend 687 01:09:30,347 --> 01:09:32,948 and so many appointments" 688 01:09:33,147 --> 01:09:36,827 And then he said, "You know what? It's not a bad idea 689 01:09:37,547 --> 01:09:40,228 Let's do it on my birthday" 690 01:09:56,430 --> 01:09:58,871 A FILM BY LENI RIEFENSTAHL 691 01:10:29,554 --> 01:10:32,475 During her extensive premiere tour for "Olympia", 692 01:10:32,675 --> 01:10:34,515 she writes to Hitler: 693 01:10:34,714 --> 01:10:40,276 "My Führer, you know how to bring joy to others better than anyone else 694 01:10:40,915 --> 01:10:44,036 When I arrived at the Lido for the Film Biennale, 695 01:10:44,236 --> 01:10:46,637 the first thing I found were the beautiful roses 696 01:10:46,837 --> 01:10:49,116 and birthday telegram you sent to me 697 01:10:49,836 --> 01:10:53,477 I could hardly believe that you found time in your hectic schedule 698 01:10:53,677 --> 01:10:55,837 to think of me for even a moment 699 01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:16,000 The film's impact as German propaganda 700 01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,520 is much greater than I could have imagined 701 01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:22,161 And your image, my Führer, is always applauded, 702 01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,281 even in Finland 703 01:11:25,601 --> 01:11:29,642 I will be traveling to Oslo, England and America 704 01:11:36,162 --> 01:11:39,602 I am so happy that you have not completely forgotten me 705 01:11:39,803 --> 01:11:41,483 I am always thinking of you 706 01:11:41,683 --> 01:11:44,283 Yours truly, Leni Riefenstahl" 707 01:12:19,584 --> 01:12:21,519 KONSKIE POLAND 708 01:12:28,929 --> 01:12:31,650 My life would have been nicer 709 01:12:31,850 --> 01:12:35,130 if I'd died at the peak of my career 710 01:12:37,290 --> 01:12:39,330 And that was exactly 711 01:12:39,850 --> 01:12:45,171 up until the outbreak of war on September 1, 1939 712 01:12:46,252 --> 01:12:50,531 Up to that point, my star had been constantly rising 713 01:12:59,213 --> 01:13:03,773 In the early days of the war, the Reich Chancellery commissions Riefenstahl 714 01:13:03,973 --> 01:13:07,054 to film the Wehrmacht's campaign in Poland 715 01:13:10,614 --> 01:13:12,494 Shortly after her arrival, 716 01:13:12,695 --> 01:13:15,655 she is confronted with the reality of warfare 717 01:13:44,699 --> 01:13:47,379 Riefenstahl leaves Końskie 718 01:13:47,578 --> 01:13:53,140 A few weeks later she asks to be released from her position as a war correspondent 719 01:13:54,820 --> 01:13:59,300 Less than a year later she begins shooting "Lowlands" 720 01:13:59,501 --> 01:14:02,420 It is her last big project for the regime 721 01:14:03,060 --> 01:14:06,421 A film based on one of Hitler's favorite operas 722 01:14:07,941 --> 01:14:13,022 Riefenstahl writes the screenplay, directs, and plays the leading role 723 01:14:39,665 --> 01:14:42,706 While on set, she becomes acquainted with Peter Jacob, 724 01:14:43,466 --> 01:14:47,425 a member of the SA and a major in the mountain infantry 725 01:14:49,146 --> 01:14:54,827 According to his Wehrmacht records, Jacob is a hands-on, committed Nazi 726 01:14:57,548 --> 01:15:00,068 They marry in 1944 727 01:15:00,868 --> 01:15:03,708 and spend the last year of the war together 728 01:15:15,949 --> 01:15:21,190 The last conversation I had with Hitler was during the war, in 1944 729 01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:26,071 All I can remember is that he'd just shaken my husband's hand 730 01:15:26,271 --> 01:15:28,272 He barely acknowledged him 731 01:15:30,432 --> 01:15:33,712 He spoke in a kind of monologue for almost an hour 732 01:15:36,352 --> 01:15:39,553 He talked about England, Mussolini, and Italy 733 01:15:40,273 --> 01:15:43,434 He still firmly believed that he would win the war 734 01:15:44,234 --> 01:15:46,753 And that was the last time I saw him 735 01:16:08,637 --> 01:16:12,797 We heard on the radio that Hitler had committed 736 01:16:12,997 --> 01:16:14,998 - that Hitler was dead - Yes 737 01:16:16,157 --> 01:16:18,877 My whole past rose up before me 738 01:16:19,078 --> 01:16:22,518 All the past impressions I'd had of that man, 739 01:16:22,718 --> 01:16:26,399 And that was all over now, I was destroyed 740 01:16:39,055 --> 01:16:41,168 LENI RIEFENSTAHL IN HER OWN WORDS 741 01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:43,761 Leni Riefenstahl, 742 01:16:43,961 --> 01:16:47,680 you became famous as, one might say, the focal point 743 01:16:47,881 --> 01:16:51,561 of many things that were going on in Germany at the time, 744 01:16:51,761 --> 01:16:53,321 Hitler-Germany 745 01:16:54,202 --> 01:16:55,642 And 746 01:16:56,482 --> 01:16:58,883 with the end of that period 747 01:16:59,723 --> 01:17:03,162 a long silence This silence needs explanation 748 01:17:04,283 --> 01:17:06,403 Why? What has happened? 749 01:17:07,363 --> 01:17:09,684 You mean the time after the war? 750 01:17:09,884 --> 01:17:11,244 Yes 751 01:17:14,485 --> 01:17:16,404 We have lost the war 752 01:17:17,564 --> 01:17:18,925 I think 753 01:17:19,484 --> 01:17:21,405 that is the question, yes? 754 01:17:22,005 --> 01:17:23,166 We have lost the war 755 01:17:33,303 --> 01:17:36,537 Special Interrogation Series No 3 756 01:17:39,304 --> 01:17:42,373 Leni Riefenstahl (wife of Wehrmacht Major Jacob) was 757 01:17:42,396 --> 01:17:45,465 arrested by American troops in her house in Kitzbuehel 758 01:17:45,488 --> 01:17:47,528 I don't know 759 01:17:47,728 --> 01:17:49,769 Natural, I can say something what I have seen 760 01:17:50,249 --> 01:17:52,049 from my point and so 761 01:17:52,249 --> 01:17:53,449 But we are 762 01:17:53,650 --> 01:17:55,890 not thinking about 763 01:17:56,089 --> 01:17:59,809 what can happen later That was really our mistake 764 01:18:01,050 --> 01:18:04,050 Just the same, from the point of your enthusiasm, 765 01:18:04,451 --> 01:18:07,811 did you feel that Hitler had a very strong personal magnetism then? 766 01:18:08,011 --> 01:18:12,172 I mean, natural Now it is perhaps dangerous to say it but it was 767 01:18:12,372 --> 01:18:14,212 I think it's perfectly reasonable to 768 01:18:15,812 --> 01:18:19,093 It was, it was, natural Yes It was 769 01:18:19,865 --> 01:18:22,041 One may or may not consider R's statements 770 01:18:22,065 --> 01:18:24,582 reliable Nevertheless they give one the impression 771 01:18:24,606 --> 01:18:26,856 of honesty, and dread which she expresses 772 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,818 about the Regime and its leaders seem sincere 773 01:18:33,069 --> 01:18:36,468 During all these years R had heard of Kzs now and then, 774 01:18:36,491 --> 01:18:39,890 but had no actual conception of what they really meant 775 01:18:41,736 --> 01:18:45,335 I have only heard the one name of the concentration camp Dachau 776 01:18:45,575 --> 01:18:49,176 And for this I have asked two or three times and they told me, 777 01:18:49,376 --> 01:18:53,177 in this camp are people, not Jewish people, 778 01:18:53,417 --> 01:18:57,818 there are people who are spies or so people 779 01:18:59,058 --> 01:19:02,538 But when people disappeared, this interests me 780 01:19:02,738 --> 01:19:05,138 - What is "disappeared"? - When people went missing 781 01:19:05,338 --> 01:19:07,699 How I know this? How I know this? 782 01:19:07,899 --> 01:19:10,739 My friends, my Jewish friends, 783 01:19:10,939 --> 01:19:13,139 they go away much earlier 784 01:19:13,340 --> 01:19:16,419 The latest was my doctor '38 he was going to America, yes? 785 01:19:16,619 --> 01:19:20,580 And so I don't know one people who goes 786 01:19:21,100 --> 01:19:22,060 How? 787 01:19:40,622 --> 01:19:43,423 Footage from the shooting of "Lowlands" 788 01:19:47,343 --> 01:19:52,344 Riefenstahl procures 50 Sinti and Roma from an internment camp 789 01:19:52,544 --> 01:19:54,464 to work as extras 790 01:19:54,664 --> 01:19:56,585 Many of them are children 791 01:20:04,185 --> 01:20:07,986 "Siegfried, our little Gypsy" 792 01:20:13,867 --> 01:20:17,227 "Siegfried, a test for Leni's patience" 793 01:20:35,589 --> 01:20:40,231 Over the next few years, most of these extras are deported to Auschwitz 794 01:20:40,430 --> 01:20:42,070 where they are murdered 795 01:20:43,631 --> 01:20:45,950 "Deceased" 796 01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:51,431 After the war, Riefenstahl claims that she has met all the extras 797 01:20:51,632 --> 01:20:53,992 and that they are alive and well 798 01:21:17,114 --> 01:21:18,794 Well 799 01:21:19,754 --> 01:21:21,475 Please 800 01:21:22,515 --> 01:21:24,716 Better you finish 801 01:21:24,915 --> 01:21:26,636 I am too excited 802 01:21:48,718 --> 01:21:52,079 BADEN STATE COMMISSARIAT FOR POLITICAL CLEANSING 803 01:21:52,279 --> 01:21:54,840 FREIBURG TRIBUNAL 2ND DEPARTMENT 804 01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:03,000 RULING IN POLITICAL CLEANSING PROCESS 805 01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:07,841 "It is certain that, in a formal context, Mrs Leni Riefenstahl, born 22081902, 806 01:22:08,041 --> 01:22:12,081 was neither a member of the NSDAP nor any of its organizations 807 01:22:12,282 --> 01:22:16,922 and thus there is no presumption of guilt in accordance with Directive 38" 808 01:22:17,121 --> 01:22:21,363 "She had no interest whatsoever in producing propaganda for the NSDAP 809 01:22:21,562 --> 01:22:25,803 Her acceptance of the two film commissions (Nuremberg Rally and Olympia) 810 01:22:26,003 --> 01:22:29,003 does not indicate anything to the contrary" 811 01:22:29,203 --> 01:22:31,924 RULING IN POLITICAL CLEANSING PROCESS 812 01:22:32,123 --> 01:22:34,884 AGAINST RIEFENSTAHL-JACOB, LENI 813 01:22:35,205 --> 01:22:37,245 FOLLOWER / SYMPATHIZER 814 01:22:37,445 --> 01:22:39,045 SANCTIONS IMPOSED: 815 01:22:39,245 --> 01:22:42,406 THE OFFENDER IS BARRED FROM HOLDING PUBLIC OFFICE 816 01:22:42,846 --> 01:22:48,406 The tribunal's ruling in December 1949 is tantamount to an acquittal 817 01:22:50,446 --> 01:22:55,127 Three years later, Riefenstahl's past catches up with her once again 818 01:22:55,327 --> 01:22:58,046 ~Poland$ 819 01:23:13,929 --> 01:23:17,930 "Revue" magazine confronts her with new accusations 820 01:23:18,929 --> 01:23:22,570 LENI RIEFENSTAHL IS SILENT ABOUT THIS 821 01:23:22,770 --> 01:23:27,211 "In reality, Leni Riefenstahl is one of the few German women 822 01:23:27,412 --> 01:23:31,171 who not only knew about the terrible crimes 823 01:23:31,371 --> 01:23:34,692 but who actually saw them with her own eyes" 824 01:23:44,252 --> 01:23:48,613 I don't know if you've heard of the book titled "The Final Solution", 825 01:23:48,813 --> 01:23:50,934 but it contains a passage 826 01:23:52,334 --> 01:23:56,134 that describes an event during the Polish Campaign 827 01:23:57,113 --> 01:23:59,896 CONVERSATION WITH ERNEST A OSTRO JOURNALIST 828 01:24:01,054 --> 01:24:03,215 - Come on, drink up - Thanks 829 01:24:03,415 --> 01:24:07,536 - It's my second cup - No, be my guest 830 01:24:08,096 --> 01:24:11,537 Anyway, "On 10 September 1939, 831 01:24:12,496 --> 01:24:18,297 Leni Riefenstahl was in the office of Generalmajor Langhäuser, 832 01:24:18,497 --> 01:24:20,737 she entered his office 833 01:24:21,217 --> 01:24:25,499 She witnessed the shooting of 22 Jews" 834 01:24:25,698 --> 01:24:28,218 - No, that's not true - May I continue? 835 01:24:28,418 --> 01:24:31,658 - You see how unheard of that is? - Wait a moment 836 01:24:31,859 --> 01:24:36,339 "She said she could not carry on with her work, 837 01:24:36,540 --> 01:24:39,260 - with her film crew" - It's all lies 838 01:24:40,180 --> 01:24:44,660 - "when such atrocities were" - I never saw any atrocities 839 01:24:44,860 --> 01:24:46,741 - Happening" - It's just not true 840 01:24:59,261 --> 01:25:02,823 The estate contains a letter dated 1952 841 01:25:03,023 --> 01:25:08,424 written by an adjutant to Riefenstahl's now divorced husband Peter Jacob 842 01:25:09,984 --> 01:25:13,543 The adjutant describes details of the massacre: 843 01:25:15,504 --> 01:25:18,665 "According to a report submitted to the 10th Army, 844 01:25:18,865 --> 01:25:21,185 your wife is alleged to have said 845 01:25:21,385 --> 01:25:25,866 (probably referring to a scene that was to be filmed on the market place): 846 01:25:26,546 --> 01:25:29,426 'But the Jews have to be removed from there' 847 01:25:30,946 --> 01:25:33,586 It's what anyone else would have said too, 848 01:25:33,787 --> 01:25:36,707 because having a bunch of people working in a ditch, 849 01:25:36,907 --> 01:25:40,268 surrounded by more or less disciplined German soldiers, 850 01:25:40,468 --> 01:25:43,148 isn't a good background for filming 851 01:25:48,708 --> 01:25:51,389 A lance corporal passed on these comments 852 01:25:51,589 --> 01:25:54,389 and it ended up sounding like this: 853 01:25:54,589 --> 01:25:56,590 'Get rid of the Jews' 854 01:25:57,989 --> 01:26:01,390 Prompted by this remark and a few persuasive kicks, 855 01:26:01,590 --> 01:26:03,950 some Poles attempted to flee 856 01:26:05,070 --> 01:26:07,431 and then shots were fired" 857 01:26:13,471 --> 01:26:15,192 If this statement is true, 858 01:26:15,391 --> 01:26:20,312 Riefenstahl's set direction played a role in the death of the Jews in Końskie 859 01:26:27,273 --> 01:26:30,953 Mrs Riefenstahl, we should decide if you want to take a different stand 860 01:26:31,154 --> 01:26:34,954 so you don't feel that you're being judged here 861 01:26:35,154 --> 01:26:37,635 I'm here, and I'll do what's demanded of me 862 01:26:37,835 --> 01:26:40,235 - And what is that? - Whatever you like 863 01:26:40,435 --> 01:26:44,595 I'll answer, just ask me If I shouldn't talk, then I won't 864 01:26:44,795 --> 01:26:49,036 As you like I'm not really free to choose 865 01:26:49,436 --> 01:26:52,316 We, Mrs Kretschmar, Mr Kiesewetter, and others, 866 01:26:52,637 --> 01:26:56,396 can't always share the opinions that you represent 867 01:26:56,597 --> 01:26:59,797 - You must understand that - You don't know my opinions 868 01:26:59,997 --> 01:27:02,677 - I haven't even been asked - May I ask you now? 869 01:27:03,237 --> 01:27:05,558 I can only say this: 870 01:27:05,758 --> 01:27:09,279 The people who lived during the Third Reich, 871 01:27:09,478 --> 01:27:12,998 the people who endured so much 872 01:27:13,198 --> 01:27:16,359 and had the opportunity to learn about those things 873 01:27:16,559 --> 01:27:21,640 that I understand that they react with bitterness to those times 874 01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,161 But there were many people, including myself, 875 01:27:25,361 --> 01:27:28,080 who only saw it from the positive side 876 01:27:28,281 --> 01:27:30,401 And for whom, only when it became known 877 01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,921 when I was in prison and the war was over 878 01:27:33,121 --> 01:27:35,682 and I'd heard about these terrible crimes 879 01:27:35,881 --> 01:27:39,002 a whole world fell apart 880 01:27:39,323 --> 01:27:43,202 We experienced such a shock that I, and many others, 881 01:27:43,403 --> 01:27:47,603 will never be able to heal and recover 882 01:27:47,803 --> 01:27:51,404 That's why I have always avoided these talk shows 883 01:27:51,603 --> 01:27:55,804 This is the first one I've agreed to do in many years 884 01:27:56,004 --> 01:28:00,004 because those wounds have still not healed 885 01:28:14,526 --> 01:28:17,046 ~- Madame, may I say something to you?$ - Yes 886 01:28:17,247 --> 01:28:20,368 ~Right until the end of the war, I also knew nothing$ 887 01:28:20,567 --> 01:28:23,208 ~about the gassings in Auschwitz$ 888 01:28:23,448 --> 01:28:26,728 Yes, but that's historically well established by now 889 01:28:26,928 --> 01:28:31,008 ~But today, Hitler is portrayed as one of the worst political criminals in history$ 890 01:28:31,208 --> 01:28:35,569 Everyone knows that, of course But no one asked me about that 891 01:28:35,769 --> 01:28:38,169 Wait, no one asked me about that 892 01:28:41,889 --> 01:28:44,530 ~I also knew Hitler, Mrs Riefenstahl$ 893 01:28:44,730 --> 01:28:47,931 ~- I had dinner with him seven times$ - Yes 894 01:28:48,531 --> 01:28:51,692 ~Well, I did condemn him$ 895 01:28:51,891 --> 01:28:54,732 ~because of the gassings he did$ 896 01:28:55,252 --> 01:28:57,212 You knew about that before? 897 01:28:57,411 --> 01:29:00,732 And how did you find out that he was doing these gassings? 898 01:29:00,932 --> 01:29:03,972 ~- Oh, I just knew$ ~- $ Who told you? 899 01:29:04,533 --> 01:29:08,814 ~The Reich Chamber of Film received a secret correspondence$ 900 01:29:09,013 --> 01:29:11,253 ~- every two weeks$ - Yes 901 01:29:11,813 --> 01:29:16,494 ~My husband would bring the letters home overnight$ 902 01:29:16,694 --> 01:29:18,414 ~That's where I read it$ 903 01:29:18,614 --> 01:29:22,375 Can you remember when you first had written proof 904 01:29:22,575 --> 01:29:25,136 that the gas ovens had been built? 905 01:29:25,334 --> 01:29:29,295 That's historically important, but no one has figured it out yet 906 01:29:29,576 --> 01:29:32,816 You'd be the only person in the world who had such proof 907 01:29:33,016 --> 01:29:35,257 It would be fabulous 908 01:29:35,457 --> 01:29:38,017 if you had such documents 909 01:29:38,217 --> 01:29:42,537 containing the dates, times, and details of how people were burned 910 01:29:42,737 --> 01:29:45,338 - It's outrageous ~- Gassed, yes$ 911 01:29:45,538 --> 01:29:49,818 That's what I meant: Gassed, or burned, or whatever happened 912 01:30:04,380 --> 01:30:05,700 The sound running 913 01:30:06,980 --> 01:30:08,381 Scene one, take two 914 01:30:09,901 --> 01:30:12,301 ~Rostock's Lichtenhagen district$ 915 01:30:12,500 --> 01:30:16,302 ~has seen four days of widespread anti-immigrant rioting$ 916 01:30:16,502 --> 01:30:19,982 ~The residents applaud Police and politicians look away$ 917 01:30:20,582 --> 01:30:22,102 ~Foreigners out$ 918 01:30:28,263 --> 01:30:30,506 How do you feel when you see such images today? 919 01:30:30,530 --> 01:30:32,912 THE WONDERFUL, HORRIBLE LIFE OF LENI RIEFENSTAHL UNRELEASED FOOTAGE 920 01:30:32,936 --> 01:30:36,057 Terrible I think it's terrible 921 01:30:37,425 --> 01:30:43,265 How can people act like that against women and innocent children? 922 01:30:44,625 --> 01:30:46,985 Doesn't it stir up memories? 923 01:30:47,785 --> 01:30:50,586 We've seen images like this in Germany before 924 01:30:50,786 --> 01:30:53,906 I never witnessed that in Germany It never happened 925 01:30:54,786 --> 01:30:57,587 Terrible things happened in Germany after the war, 926 01:30:57,786 --> 01:31:00,747 but not that I never saw anything like that 927 01:31:01,827 --> 01:31:03,027 Do you think 928 01:31:03,228 --> 01:31:07,429 Listen, I don't want to get into political things like that 929 01:31:07,628 --> 01:31:11,348 Because then people will say I don't want to comment on that 930 01:31:11,548 --> 01:31:14,829 - But you can just say - But then I'll be a neo-Nazi 931 01:31:15,028 --> 01:31:19,310 If I say that, I'll be labeled a neo-Nazi again That's how it is 932 01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:21,630 That's why you can't speak the truth 933 01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:24,070 Because if you do they execute you 934 01:31:24,270 --> 01:31:28,390 They execute you if you speak the truth It's all lies 935 01:31:35,191 --> 01:31:37,272 LENI RIEFENSTAHL TO SUE 936 01:31:37,952 --> 01:31:42,192 "I NEVER HAD ANYONE GASSED" 937 01:31:43,352 --> 01:31:46,873 It's really terrible, all the lies and deception 938 01:31:47,073 --> 01:31:49,233 All the stuff they make up 939 01:31:51,234 --> 01:31:54,154 I have never said anything antisemitic 940 01:31:54,354 --> 01:31:57,954 nor have I ever said anything against Jews Never 941 01:31:59,875 --> 01:32:03,395 I just told you that I was never in that camp 942 01:32:03,595 --> 01:32:07,235 All I can do is tell you God damn it 943 01:32:07,876 --> 01:32:09,995 - Rolling - Action 944 01:32:15,276 --> 01:32:18,197 There are over 50 court cases documented here 945 01:32:18,717 --> 01:32:23,598 These are the facts In most cases it was slander 946 01:32:23,798 --> 01:32:25,597 They say you used Gypsies 947 01:32:25,798 --> 01:32:28,438 from a concentration camp as extras in "Lowlands" 948 01:32:28,638 --> 01:32:31,679 That's the most evil lie that was circulated 949 01:32:31,878 --> 01:32:33,919 My blood boils when I hear that 950 01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:41,599 Just a moment 951 01:32:42,559 --> 01:32:44,960 I'm suing for defamation 952 01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,760 If you were defamed you might sue as well 953 01:32:59,162 --> 01:33:02,962 I wouldn't say Gypsies have to lie, but you have to decide 954 01:33:03,162 --> 01:33:07,204 who's more likely to commit perjury, me or the Gypsies 955 01:33:11,123 --> 01:33:15,324 This whole affair has put me under such strain 956 01:33:15,523 --> 01:33:19,765 that I am leaving Germany for an extended period, for several months 957 01:33:19,964 --> 01:33:23,605 I will probably only return to Germany for visits 958 01:33:44,207 --> 01:33:46,448 In 1962 to '63, 959 01:33:46,648 --> 01:33:50,049 Riefenstahl makes her first expedition to Sudan 960 01:33:51,129 --> 01:33:53,369 I'll just describe it as it is - 961 01:33:54,048 --> 01:33:57,729 Natu is playing various melodies on the guitar 962 01:34:10,890 --> 01:34:14,611 Over the years, she frequently returns to the Nuba people, 963 01:34:14,811 --> 01:34:17,451 often for months at a time 964 01:34:22,093 --> 01:34:25,652 In Sudan, nobody asks questions about her past 965 01:34:33,653 --> 01:34:36,015 A report for the Sunday Times 966 01:34:37,494 --> 01:34:43,455 The headline: "Why did I live with an African tribe for months 967 01:34:43,655 --> 01:34:45,615 and take these photos?" 968 01:34:49,816 --> 01:34:53,215 When I think about this question, 969 01:34:53,656 --> 01:34:55,256 I'd have to say 970 01:34:56,256 --> 01:34:58,856 that this work is the logical development 971 01:34:59,057 --> 01:35:01,537 of my entire professional career 972 01:35:02,658 --> 01:35:05,578 In all the films I've made so far 973 01:35:05,778 --> 01:35:10,098 I was always captivated by the beauty of the subject 974 01:35:12,818 --> 01:35:15,019 In particular the harmony 975 01:35:15,219 --> 01:35:20,860 that radiates when outer beauty is combined with inner beauty 976 01:35:35,502 --> 01:35:37,462 That was in 1968/69, 977 01:35:37,662 --> 01:35:40,181 when Horst joined me for the first time 978 01:35:40,902 --> 01:35:44,303 and we had a car, 979 01:35:45,302 --> 01:35:47,503 that made it much easier 980 01:35:56,943 --> 01:35:58,744 That's where I slept 981 01:35:58,944 --> 01:36:02,985 I lived there for months, and there, 982 01:36:03,185 --> 01:36:06,506 it may sound incredible, but I was very happy there 983 01:36:07,984 --> 01:36:10,305 That's me with the children and women 984 01:36:10,505 --> 01:36:14,266 The first contact I made was through the children 985 01:36:16,347 --> 01:36:19,307 I put on a small children's wrestling match 986 01:36:24,347 --> 01:36:28,747 - Why does it say "Sport Schuster"? - Because Schuster sponsored me 987 01:36:28,948 --> 01:36:32,429 They gave me two tents and some other things 988 01:36:40,109 --> 01:36:42,789 Riefenstahl on her fourth expedition 989 01:36:43,629 --> 01:36:48,471 She relies on the support of numerous German companies to finance the trip 990 01:36:49,311 --> 01:36:53,030 In return, she grants them free use of the images 991 01:36:58,151 --> 01:37:00,912 That was two years after my first visit 992 01:37:01,112 --> 01:37:05,112 They carried me on their shoulders and shouted "Leni, Leni, Leni" 993 01:37:05,313 --> 01:37:09,993 Their children were named after me, and a mountain too: "Monte Leni" 994 01:37:10,233 --> 01:37:12,994 I wish I could have stayed forever 995 01:39:49,053 --> 01:39:53,173 THE NUBA 996 01:39:54,973 --> 01:39:59,174 THE PEOPLE OF KAU 997 01:40:22,536 --> 01:40:26,698 What was it that made you want to go look for this tribe and make this book? 998 01:40:26,897 --> 01:40:29,698 You mentioned you were worried about civilization coming to these tribes 999 01:40:29,898 --> 01:40:33,979 but do you not help to bring civilization to them by photographing them? 1000 01:40:34,219 --> 01:40:39,259 No and I have make the most of these photos with long lenses 1001 01:40:39,458 --> 01:40:41,979 I was very far from them 1002 01:40:42,180 --> 01:40:44,859 That had not destroy their life 1003 01:40:45,060 --> 01:40:48,981 But the civilization must come, natural But slowly 1004 01:40:49,341 --> 01:40:51,180 Very slowly 1005 01:40:51,380 --> 01:40:56,741 I have seen that especially money gives this people not luck 1006 01:40:57,422 --> 01:40:59,462 Let's talk about your photographs 1007 01:40:59,662 --> 01:41:03,543 You say in your book that physical health and beauty are the Nuba ideal 1008 01:41:03,742 --> 01:41:07,222 There was a period when this was the ideal in Germany also 1009 01:41:07,422 --> 01:41:12,343 I think it was also an ideal in Rome and in Greece and in many countries 1010 01:41:12,543 --> 01:41:14,944 Not only in Germany 1011 01:41:15,144 --> 01:41:18,704 With these photographs you immortalize this beauty, health and strength 1012 01:41:18,905 --> 01:41:21,024 People will draw parallels 1013 01:41:21,223 --> 01:41:25,184 with that film which became so controversial, "Triumph of the Will", 1014 01:41:25,385 --> 01:41:29,946 which also, many people say, was a glori- fication of healthy, handsome German men 1015 01:41:30,145 --> 01:41:34,466 If they write about you things what is not true and what is very bad 1016 01:41:34,666 --> 01:41:37,226 then you will have the same thing 1017 01:41:37,986 --> 01:41:40,707 Natural I have suffered horrible about this 1018 01:41:40,906 --> 01:41:44,507 Because through these rumors and these difficulties 1019 01:41:44,708 --> 01:41:47,748 it was not possible more to work for me 1020 01:41:51,748 --> 01:41:54,108 It's a fantastic book 1021 01:41:55,149 --> 01:41:57,909 I'll show you some of my favorite head shots 1022 01:41:58,109 --> 01:41:59,549 That would be nice 1023 01:41:59,749 --> 01:42:02,670 For example, this one is very beautiful 1024 01:42:04,510 --> 01:42:06,550 Let's see how close I can get 1025 01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:09,670 That's interesting 1026 01:42:12,751 --> 01:42:13,791 So 1027 01:42:15,991 --> 01:42:18,471 I'll put this here carefully 1028 01:42:19,592 --> 01:42:21,312 Somewhere down here 1029 01:42:22,351 --> 01:42:24,592 There are no birds here 1030 01:42:25,312 --> 01:42:28,552 But they How much should I put in, Horst? 1031 01:42:29,193 --> 01:42:30,593 All of it? 1032 01:42:32,553 --> 01:42:35,233 - Go for a walk, shall we? - Fine 1033 01:42:35,833 --> 01:42:37,113 Come on 1034 01:42:38,753 --> 01:42:40,154 Go inside 1035 01:42:51,235 --> 01:42:53,315 - Albert, how lovely - ~Yes, hello$ 1036 01:42:53,596 --> 01:42:55,796 What about your house in the Allgäu? 1037 01:42:55,996 --> 01:42:59,077 ~- We're going there now$ ~- $ Is it finished now? 1038 01:42:59,276 --> 01:43:01,277 ~- Yes$ ~- $ Great 1039 01:43:01,477 --> 01:43:05,117 So tell me, when are you there in case I want to call you? 1040 01:43:05,317 --> 01:43:10,158 ~I'll give you the number I only give it to my closest, most intimate friends$ 1041 01:43:10,358 --> 01:43:12,558 ~- That includes you$ - Oh, thank you 1042 01:43:12,758 --> 01:43:17,959 Albert, I wanted to ask you how much you get paid 1043 01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:19,439 ~It depends$ 1044 01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:23,199 ~Usually, when I go to the BBC for an hour or so,$ 1045 01:43:23,399 --> 01:43:25,319 ~they pay a few hundred marks$ 1046 01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,000 Oh, how about that 1047 01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:31,761 Well, I don't do any smaller things for less than 5,000 marks 1048 01:43:32,361 --> 01:43:37,161 And Canada already paid 10,000 ten years ago 1049 01:44:15,927 --> 01:44:19,366 Ella, isn't it like in Germany, that when programs are broadcast 1050 01:44:19,566 --> 01:44:21,927 the TV guides do the advertising? 1051 01:44:22,126 --> 01:44:24,967 ~Yes, and it says what I told Leni:$ 1052 01:44:25,447 --> 01:44:28,008 ~"The Nazi-era filmmaker"$ 1053 01:44:46,570 --> 01:44:48,010 And I'm in danger, 1054 01:44:48,211 --> 01:44:50,890 because there are so many anti-Nazis in Switzerland 1055 01:44:51,090 --> 01:44:55,771 that when I go there for a show and I'm introduced as a Nazi whatever, 1056 01:44:55,971 --> 01:44:58,172 - you can imagine what it's like ~- Yes$ 1057 01:45:02,452 --> 01:45:04,892 - Hello? ~- This is Swiss TV in Geneva$ 1058 01:45:05,092 --> 01:45:07,052 - One moment, please - ~Thank you$ 1059 01:45:09,372 --> 01:45:11,292 ~Claude Torracinta$ 1060 01:45:12,973 --> 01:45:15,054 You know, Mr Claude, 1061 01:45:15,253 --> 01:45:18,815 you don't realize how often they've put me through the mangle 1062 01:45:19,013 --> 01:45:24,095 Every time I go on television they claim that I share the blame 1063 01:45:24,294 --> 01:45:27,375 for all the atrocities, for the concentration camps, 1064 01:45:27,575 --> 01:45:30,896 all the crimes It always happens 1065 01:45:31,095 --> 01:45:34,855 If someone ever used the word "Holocaust", 1066 01:45:35,055 --> 01:45:37,536 - I would end the interview ~- Yes$ 1067 01:45:37,736 --> 01:45:41,017 ~Mrs Riefenstahl, it's just archive material$ 1068 01:45:41,217 --> 01:45:43,857 - It's such a ~- What I'd like to say$ 1069 01:45:44,057 --> 01:45:47,537 I am not responsible for what happened 1070 01:45:47,738 --> 01:45:49,457 Why do you want to show that? 1071 01:45:56,379 --> 01:46:00,820 TONIGHT LENI RIEFENSTAHL 1072 01:46:02,860 --> 01:46:04,219 Good evening 1073 01:46:04,419 --> 01:46:06,739 For the first time in the history of "Destins", 1074 01:46:06,940 --> 01:46:09,020 our invited guest is absent 1075 01:46:10,781 --> 01:46:14,621 Today, Mrs Riefenstahl demanded that we cut 1076 01:46:14,821 --> 01:46:16,941 certain political scenes, 1077 01:46:17,382 --> 01:46:20,341 especially those about the fate of the Jews 1078 01:46:32,223 --> 01:46:35,943 When she demanded that we cut certain scenes, 1079 01:46:36,143 --> 01:46:41,144 we assured her that we would not edit the show 1080 01:46:41,344 --> 01:46:43,504 by cutting political scenes, 1081 01:46:43,704 --> 01:46:47,825 especially those concerning the Jews in Germany 1082 01:46:48,025 --> 01:46:50,145 Mrs Riefenstahl then decided 1083 01:46:50,345 --> 01:46:53,225 not to participate in our studio interview 1084 01:46:53,425 --> 01:46:56,586 where she would have been free to share 1085 01:46:57,066 --> 01:46:59,387 her convictions with the audience 1086 01:46:59,587 --> 01:47:01,667 by responding to my questions 1087 01:47:02,947 --> 01:47:05,627 Thank you for watching Good night 1088 01:47:23,269 --> 01:47:26,549 Your assistant already put two cushions on the chair 1089 01:47:27,750 --> 01:47:29,710 - There - Everything's nicely prepared 1090 01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:31,791 - Exactly - Yes 1091 01:47:32,271 --> 01:47:33,790 I'll hold the chair 1092 01:47:33,990 --> 01:47:36,390 Hold tight so you land properly 1093 01:47:36,591 --> 01:47:38,511 - I have to - There 1094 01:47:38,804 --> 01:47:41,037 Tell us how you want it so you're comfy, okay? 1095 01:47:41,093 --> 01:47:43,574 SPEER AND HITLER: THE DEVIL'S ARCHITECT UNRELEASED FOOTAGE 1096 01:47:43,597 --> 01:47:44,969 - Is that okay? - I have to Where is the camera? 1097 01:47:44,993 --> 01:47:47,113 The camera is here, look 1098 01:47:47,513 --> 01:47:49,992 - We're talking - It's where my hand is 1099 01:47:50,192 --> 01:47:52,553 - You talk towards me - Towards you? 1100 01:47:52,753 --> 01:47:56,553 Yes, we'll be talking and we'll open the frame to the right 1101 01:47:57,753 --> 01:48:00,715 Okay, let's see if I can see anything 1102 01:48:01,154 --> 01:48:02,715 I have to 1103 01:48:03,234 --> 01:48:07,354 Put them away for a moment I have to let my eyes adjust 1104 01:48:08,515 --> 01:48:09,835 I can see it 1105 01:48:10,035 --> 01:48:13,876 This wrinkle here has to go It should be hidden 1106 01:48:14,075 --> 01:48:16,716 Okay, let's put the box on the other side 1107 01:48:16,917 --> 01:48:18,916 So the wrinkles are hidden 1108 01:48:19,115 --> 01:48:22,116 I'll just go past Let's move the cable over here 1109 01:48:22,317 --> 01:48:24,957 We'll do it differently, it's no problem 1110 01:48:25,997 --> 01:48:28,638 - As long as it looks good - Exactly 1111 01:48:29,478 --> 01:48:31,438 - Careful - Yes, exactly 1112 01:48:33,558 --> 01:48:35,838 - I'll bring the - It's okay 1113 01:48:39,278 --> 01:48:42,119 It would be good if the light came from there 1114 01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:44,160 Sure, we can do that 1115 01:48:47,679 --> 01:48:51,320 Now the light is on the camera axis, Mrs Riefenstahl 1116 01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:53,401 Let me take that from you 1117 01:48:56,001 --> 01:48:57,281 That's about right 1118 01:49:01,442 --> 01:49:03,881 You can turn it Just let it run 1119 01:49:04,481 --> 01:49:07,042 You can't block it out any more, can you? 1120 01:49:07,242 --> 01:49:09,082 The overhead lighting? 1121 01:49:12,843 --> 01:49:15,444 The overhead lighting can't be 1122 01:49:49,807 --> 01:49:54,768 Decades after filming "The Blue Light", Riefenstahl returns to the waterfall 1123 01:49:59,169 --> 01:50:03,528 This is the last footage Horst Kettner shoots with her in the mountains 1124 01:50:08,530 --> 01:50:11,370 It shows how she would like to be remembered 1125 01:50:16,771 --> 01:50:19,331 And what she wants to be forgotten 1126 01:50:35,092 --> 01:50:38,854 - Riefenstahl speaking ~- I'll say it to you straight:$ 1127 01:50:39,094 --> 01:50:43,894 ~When I see all the fuss nowadays, I ask myself:$ 1128 01:50:44,094 --> 01:50:46,255 ~Who is actually honest?$ 1129 01:50:46,455 --> 01:50:51,295 ~And who was ever more honest than Leni Riefenstahl?$ 1130 01:50:51,495 --> 01:50:54,215 ~That little woman who portrayed$ 1131 01:50:54,415 --> 01:50:58,536 ~the most beautiful human beings and not the cripples$ 1132 01:50:58,736 --> 01:51:03,096 ~She was condemned, judged, and persecuted$ 1133 01:51:04,097 --> 01:51:07,897 ~That shows the rotten state of this bloody country,$ 1134 01:51:08,097 --> 01:51:10,257 ~and that's why I condemn it$ 1135 01:51:17,138 --> 01:51:20,378 ~We need to have a certain detachment$ 1136 01:51:20,578 --> 01:51:24,059 ~- when it comes to today's chaotic times$ - Yes 1137 01:51:24,260 --> 01:51:28,980 ~And one has to understand that this chaos was inevitable$ 1138 01:51:29,180 --> 01:51:33,380 ~It won't take all that long, but it will take one or two generations$ 1139 01:51:33,580 --> 01:51:36,261 - Yes ~- And then we will return to morality,$ 1140 01:51:36,461 --> 01:51:38,661 ~decency, and virtue$ 1141 01:51:38,861 --> 01:51:42,222 Yes, the German people are predestined for that 91743

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