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~- Heil, workmen
- Heil, my Führer$
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~One people, one Führer$
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~Get set$
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Mrs Riefenstahl, if you had your
life to live over again
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how would you live it?
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I think my life was very hard
but also very rich
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I think I would say, "Yes, I want
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to live again"
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The same way you did?
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This I don't know, I hope I wouldn't
make so many mistakes
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What are your mistakes?
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- My mistakes?
- Yes
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Would you say that one of them was
your close association with Hitler?
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Looking back now
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"The Blue Light" was my first film
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I was immersed in that world
when I made it
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When I showed this scene
of me climbing the rock face
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to my friend Carl Mayer,
who was a famous screenwriter
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- Yes
- He said to me, "If they"
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I don't know if the word "Nazi"
existed back then,
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but to me it was like he said,
"If the fascists,
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the National Socialists,
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saw you,
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you would become their idol"
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I have to tell you something
Let me turn this off
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CONVERSATION WITH
ALBRECHT KNAUS PUBLISHER -1978
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- Where were we again?
- '32
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Yes, exactly
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The first time I ever heard
about Hitler was in early 1932
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By then the term "Nazi"
was in common use
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- Really?
- Yes
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Yes? I need a handkerchief
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Then there was that rally in Berlin
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And as he spoke his very first words,
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"My national comrades"
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I was overcome
by a very peculiar feeling
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My whole body was trembling
and I had hot sweats
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And I was somehow
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captured, as if by a magnetic force
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If someone a 100 or 200 years from now
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takes a look at your work,
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what would you like for them
to know about you?
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What is the most important thing
you would like someone
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a 100 years or 200 years from now
to know about you?
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I think, "The Blue Light",
because it is the key for my life
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These photographs
are from Riefenstahl's estate
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They document 101 years of her life
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The estate also includes her films
and a large amount of footage
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that never appeared
in her officially released works
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Some of the material appears to be random,
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while other items are well sorted,
or even carefully arranged
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For something to be remembered,
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other things must be forgotten
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You said "naive"
You used the word "naive" earlier
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- Did I say "naive"?
- Yes
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Will you revise it?
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I should rather say
I was inexperienced in that area
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You mean politically?
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Yes, most certainly
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Most certainly
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Politics
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is the opposite of everything
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that has fulfilled and fascinated me
throughout my life
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- What is the opposite of politics?
- Art
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For me, I think it's art
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Exploring things where you have
to penetrate to a deeper level
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If you feel things intensely
as an artist, and I was born that way,
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you live your life so ardently,
so intensely, so passionately,
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that there's no room for interest
in real-world issues
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So even today,
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you don't believe
that art and politics affect each other?
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THE WONDERFUL HORRIBLE
LIFE OF LENI RIEFENSTAHL
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Now comes an interesting part
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This effect is created
by the camera elevator
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Now the camera pans
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over to one side
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and then it pans back
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over to the other side
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And these two shots combine
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to create the form of a circle,
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and the resulting effect
is very powerful
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The columns of flags overlap here
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Those are the Stahlhelm flags
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Exactly in sync with the music
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- Interesting?
- Super
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That was the best scene of the day
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Wasn't it super?
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When you made "Triumph of the Will",
you made it for Hitler
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Oh no, never I would say this
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I've got the order to do this and
I've made my duty as good as I was able
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LENI RIEFENSTAHL IN HER OWN WORDS
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If Roosevelt gave me the order
and I must make a film
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about the planes,
I would do my best
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The same would be if I get
the order of Stalin to make something
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In the moment I have the camera,
the cameramen, the sound, everything
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I see the work
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~They are mistaken$
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~The state does not give us orders,$
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~we give orders to the state$
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~The state did not create us,$
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~we are creating our state$
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~My Führer$
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~You are Germany$
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~When you act, the nation acts$
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~When you judge, the people judge$
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You asked me if the film had a message
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When I edited the film, I did realize
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that there is a certain message
You can find it in the film
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~You have been our guarantor of victory$
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Hess's rally speech in particular,
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when he says,
"Hitler is our guarantor of peace"
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~Adolf Hitler$
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~Sieg Heil$
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"Peace, peace"
That's a constant in the film
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There's no mention
of other political goals or motives
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There's no mention of antisemitism,
there's no mention of racial theory
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It's just about work and peace
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~A people that does not
hold dear its racial purity$
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~will perish$
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But doesn't an artist who makes films
have a broad impact on people?
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- Yes
- And doesn't such an artist
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have a very special responsibility?
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What responsibility should I have?
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After all, back then 90 percent of
the people were enthralled by Hitler
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You think I should have been
a resistance fighter?
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There were only very few
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Should I have joined those few,
or what do you mean?
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My two guests tonight
are two elderly ladies, one could say
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They are both in their seventies
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Most of you
will probably know one of them:
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Leni Riefenstahl
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Next to Mrs Riefenstahl is someone
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who I think very few people know,
Elfriede Kretschmer
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Mrs Kretschmar,
we know Mrs Riefenstahl made films
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What did you do?
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I worked
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I was a worker
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- Were you politically active back then?
- Yes, very much so
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I couldn't go along with all of that
I just couldn't do it
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My upbringing,
my belief in a different Germany
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than what it became for 12 years
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I was lucky
I was what you'd call a "German woman"
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I was blonde, blue-eyed, and so on
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But what the men
went through in Hamburg
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I can only speak of Hamburg
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In the Fuhlsbüttel
concentration camp, in Neuengamme
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Since you're both
from the same generation,
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when was the first time
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you heard the name Riefenstahl?
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It was when I saw your film
"The Blue Light",
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which I found fascinating
on a technical level
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But with the later films
I was actually
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quite saddened that
a woman would make films
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that were against all of humanity
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And even today I still maintain
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that no one, or at least
no one who lived in a big city,
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can claim they didn't know
what was happening
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We were in our 30s at the time,
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and we knew what we were doing
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But how does someone end up
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shooting films like that?
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In my opinion, they are
Pied Piper films, if I may say so
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I could never accept anything like that
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I never wanted to make a documentary
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I was commissioned to do it
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- And I
- By whom?
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- By Hitler Hitler had
- I would have refused
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Yes, maybe
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But no one would've refused
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Back then, the whole world
was enthralled by Hitler
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One year after that, Mr Churchill said,
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"I envy the Germans for their leader"
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And I saw all the diplomats
at the Nuremburg rally
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They paid court to Hitler,
but I didn't film that
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- We're not accusing you
- The lady said she wouldn't do it
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The whole world?
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Back then, all the ambassadors
were represented there
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- Ambassadors aren't 'the world'
- Germany was admired
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But the entire press as well
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The entire press
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Back then, I couldn't foresee
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what was going to happen
Nor could millions of others
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And you just have to believe that
You can't always
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In retrospect, I'd be happy
if I'd witnessed it like you
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I'd be so happy about it
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Because then I could say,
"I witnessed it, I knew about it"
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But these days it's much more difficult
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for those who didn't know
because no one believes them
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No one believes them
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And that is very difficult, believe me
It's incredibly difficult
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CONTROVERSY FOLLOWING
LENI RIEFENSTAHL'S TV APPEARANCE
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GERMAN MAIL
(WEST)
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After the talk show appearance,
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Riefenstahl receives
hundreds of letters and phone calls
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She meticulously sorts and archives
the strong public reaction
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"I would like to congratulate you,
also on behalf of many people I know,
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on your courageous appearance
on the talk show"
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"How can you put a personality
of Leni Riefenstahl's caliber
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opposite someone like Mrs Kretschmar,
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who had nothing to say except that she
'worked' Who didn't have to work?"
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"As you have realized, the majority
of West Germans are on your side"
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~I would just like to say that, after
the program on Saturday evening,$
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~I deeply admire Mrs Riefenstahl$
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~Her whole demeanor impressed us
Thank you$
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Hello?
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~Dear Mrs Riefenstahl,$
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~don't let those swines
like Rosenbauer bring you down$
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~Justice will prevail in the end$
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~Certainly there were
many reactions$
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Many? It was more than anything
I've ever experienced
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I'm getting more and more letters
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Audience letters
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(1) Letters to the broadcaster
and newspapers
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(2) Normal mail/autograph requests
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(3) Letters with flowers,
telegrams, or money
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(4) Private letters
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(5) Foreign letters
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(6) Letters from National Socialists
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(7) Letters from those with
different views, Communists, Jews etc
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One moment, please
I have to call my assistant
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Horst? Horst
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Stay here with me, Horst
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Horst is my assistant
He's a student of mine
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He set it to 'record',
and now we've got so many cassettes
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Kettner, Mrs Riefenstahl's assistant
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~I wrote a reader's letter$
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- Yes?
~- And I made it very clear$
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~how disgraceful it was to watch$
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~Mrs Riefenstahl being humiliated$
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~by a clueless and crude talk master$
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~and turned into an object of agitation
by a hateful activist grandma$
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You phrased that very well
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~I'm a screenwriter by profession
I write TV scripts for "Crime Scene"$
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One man repeatedly crops up
in the photos taken during these years:
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Horst Kettner
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He is 40 years younger
than Riefenstahl
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Their relationship begins in 1967
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From that point on
they are partners in both life and work
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We didn't feel the age difference
be it younger or older
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We always felt the same age
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After all, when there's
a 40-year age difference,
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one partner must always give in
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And that's me
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Many people admire me
for putting up with her for so long
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It's the other way round
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- Leni says it's the other way
- The other way round
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In the late 1970s,
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Riefenstahl and Horst Kettner
move into a spacious home
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near the shores of Lake Starnberg
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It is from here that Riefenstahl,
aided by her numerous supporters,
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campaigns to influence
the public perception of her biography
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- Riefenstahl speaking
- ~I'd just like to say this:$
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~You have no reason to be nervous$
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~You have achieved
a great deal in your life$
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Yes, but the press derides it
They don't honor it at all
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~You shouldn't put so much store
in the gutter press, you know?$
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~I'm an editor at the "Abendzeitung"
in Munich, Mrs Riefenstahl$
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The "Abendzeitung" in Munich?
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So it's going to be another hatchet job?
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~For your information,
newspapers such as BILD$
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~- are actually right-wing$
- Yes, but it has a Jewish slant
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~Well, Springer publishers invested
in big offices down there in Tel Aviv$
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Yes, exactly
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BILD newspaper described them
as "Pied Piper films" in their article
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"TRIUMPH OF THE WILL"
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NEGATIVE
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~May the bright flame of our fervor
never be extinguished$
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~It alone is what gives
the creative art$
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~of modern political propaganda
its light and warmth$
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~The era of excessive Jewish
intellectualism is now over$
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~The breakthrough of the German revolution$
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~has cleared the path
for the German spirit$
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~In one bold, grandiose sweep,$
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~we have herded together
the enemies of this land$
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~They should beware$
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~One day our patience
will run out,$
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~and then we will finally shut
the Jews' impudent lying mouths$
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It was a very big thing with Goebbels
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He was crazy because he
practically risked his life to get me
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- So it was an adventure?
- I had many adventures with Goebbels
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He read 'Zarathustra' to me,
he kneeled before me
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He tried everything to get me
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One night, he drove away with me
in my car and we turned it over
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- And
- Like in a bad film?
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Yes By the way,
I shouldn't forget to mention
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that two times, once when he was minister
and we were in his apartment,
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he wanted to take me by force
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THE WONDERFUL, HORRIBLE LIFE OF
LENI RIEFENSTAHL - UNRELEASED FOOTAGE
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45, 3047, 48, 49, 50
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- Rolling
- Sound speed
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Okay
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Goebbels wanted to have me at any cost,
he wanted to make me his lover
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But he wasn't my type at all
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I didn't feel attracted to him
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Hitler had no idea
what had happened with Dr Goebbels
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All the affairs he had with me
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May I just correct you?
You used an unfortunate phrasing:
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- "All the affairs he had with me"
- No, that's not good
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Can we do it again, please?
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When we read
Goebbels' diaries from early 1933,
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one has the impression you visited Hitler
and Goebbels at home like a good friend
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That's pure fantasy It's not true
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I know those comments in his diary
I never
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You visited him about ten times,
went to the cinema
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It can't be true, just do the math
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I wasn't with him ten times
That's untrue
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You should take a closer look, Mr Müller
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We need to stop
because it's not correct
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If you like, we'll check it
entry by entry that's written there
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But socially He would've had to
invite me to his home at least once
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- And he didn't?
- No Not once
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Not even to Schwanenwerder,
where they'd all go
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Not only did I not go,
I wasn't even invited
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- I'm so upset about what you said
- Let's take a break
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Unheard of
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- I can show it to you
- Then show me where it says
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that I would come and go
like a good friend
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- Okay, let's take a break
- Horsti
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- Horsti, I have to defend
- They're filming all of this
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Yes, maybe so
No, they can't film this
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I won't carry on if you keep filming
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outside of the interview when I'm upset
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- I won't go on No way
- I can show you
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- We're having a conversation
- No, you can film that,
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but not when I said stop
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- But we continued and you
- No
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I was talking off the record
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00:32:14,109 --> 00:32:17,109
- But it wasn't
- Would I say that in front of a camera?
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- You said I should prove it to you
- Yes No No
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But then we carried on
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No, everything from there must go
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- Calm down, this won't help
- Excuse me No
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- I won't be abused here
- You can't call it off now
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Take that away until it's cut
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~I read the interview with you
in yesterday's evening paper$
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- Yes
~- And you said$
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~- that you want to write your memoirs$
- Yes
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~And that would be a huge success$
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00:32:59,875 --> 00:33:03,434
~- You should do it It takes a long time$
- I know
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But I went through it all,
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it's all written in my body
and in my mind
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Riefenstahl works on her memoirs
for over ten years
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Page after page,
she grapples with the task
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of shaping how she will be remembered
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00:33:29,278 --> 00:33:31,638
I'm trying to find something here
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A new page
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Let's see what you wrote today
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I'll go around you
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The assault by Goebbels
is just one of many that she describes
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in the draft of her memoirs
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"Feelings of desperation"
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00:34:04,882 --> 00:34:08,523
"Father especially irritable"
353
00:34:08,763 --> 00:34:11,483
"without tenderness"
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00:34:11,684 --> 00:34:13,884
"The first man"
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00:34:19,324 --> 00:34:21,165
"Although I didn't want to admit it,
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00:34:21,364 --> 00:34:25,805
I had developed strong feelings
for the tennis player Otto Froitzheim
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I was informed that he intended
to invite me for tea
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at his flat in Tiergarten
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00:34:36,326 --> 00:34:38,606
He put on a gramophone record
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00:34:38,807 --> 00:34:42,327
and without resisting
I let him pull me out of my chair
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00:34:43,887 --> 00:34:46,688
I danced with him as if hypnotized
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00:34:47,887 --> 00:34:49,767
He practically tore my clothes off,
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00:34:51,208 --> 00:34:53,769
and tried to take me by brute force
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00:34:56,809 --> 00:34:57,969
He entered me,
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and I screamed out in pain"
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00:35:00,810 --> 00:35:03,369
"Shame"
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00:35:03,569 --> 00:35:05,770
"Love"
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00:35:10,290 --> 00:35:13,492
Riefenstahl describes the encounter
with Otto Froitzheim
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in exactly the same way in
different stages of the writing process
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00:35:18,412 --> 00:35:21,772
However, she varies
her accounts of other events
371
00:35:21,972 --> 00:35:25,052
Almost as if she needs
to make sure herself
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00:35:25,853 --> 00:35:28,773
"Rauchfangswerder"
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"My father often said,
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00:35:47,415 --> 00:35:50,135
'It's a pity you weren't born a boy'
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00:35:52,736 --> 00:35:57,177
I was barely five and my father
wanted me to learn how to swim
376
00:35:58,137 --> 00:36:00,658
He made me a life jacket out of reeds
377
00:36:00,857 --> 00:36:03,297
and tossed me into the water
378
00:36:06,017 --> 00:36:09,138
I can still remember
those seconds of drowning,
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00:36:10,418 --> 00:36:12,179
the thoughts
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00:36:13,058 --> 00:36:15,419
Before I lost consciousness in the water
381
00:36:15,619 --> 00:36:20,019
I was overcome by a feeling
that death by drowning was not so bad
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00:36:23,979 --> 00:36:26,461
I soon became a strong swimmer"
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00:36:35,061 --> 00:36:36,621
"the men"
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00:36:37,581 --> 00:36:39,341
"I saw my father"
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00:36:41,542 --> 00:36:43,302
During the writing process,
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00:36:43,503 --> 00:36:45,983
she records conversations
with her publisher
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00:36:46,183 --> 00:36:48,342
and other acquaintances on tape
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00:36:48,543 --> 00:36:50,183
CASSETTE TAPES
MANUSCRIPT
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MEMOIRS
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00:36:52,023 --> 00:36:55,904
Since you mention childhood,
another thing that happened
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00:36:56,104 --> 00:36:58,025
when I was about 12 or 13
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00:36:58,304 --> 00:37:01,104
- Is that clear enough?
- Yes, certainly
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00:37:01,522 --> 00:37:03,803
CONVERSATION WITH
DIETER WILD JOURNALIST
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00:37:06,025 --> 00:37:08,706
As children, we used to steal
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00:37:09,025 --> 00:37:13,627
One day, I was in a general store
396
00:37:14,787 --> 00:37:17,746
and I secretly took a bar of chocolate
397
00:37:19,306 --> 00:37:21,507
My father beat me half to death
398
00:37:22,147 --> 00:37:27,068
He had a coat hanger or something,
and he gave me a terrible beating
399
00:37:27,388 --> 00:37:33,268
Then he locked me up in a toilet
for about 12 hours
400
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:40,510
But I still wouldn't accept
that I was wrong Imagine that
401
00:37:40,709 --> 00:37:42,229
Just a moment
402
00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:55,111
These passages do not appear
in her published memoirs
403
00:37:55,671 --> 00:37:59,312
And in later interviews
she makes no mention of them
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00:38:26,476 --> 00:38:28,195
My mother
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00:38:28,915 --> 00:38:32,995
saw my life
as the fulfillment of her own life
406
00:38:36,797 --> 00:38:38,917
You mean your mother
was also ambitious?
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00:38:39,116 --> 00:38:42,637
She, too, had the wish to play a part?
408
00:38:44,637 --> 00:38:48,517
So basically
one could say that you are
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00:38:50,118 --> 00:38:53,359
the daughter of a stage mother,
to put it provocatively
410
00:38:53,558 --> 00:38:56,079
"Stage mother"? She was never on stage
411
00:38:56,279 --> 00:38:58,119
It's when a young girl's career
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00:38:58,319 --> 00:38:59,920
I see When the mother
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is dictated by a mother
who tries to achieve
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00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,920
what she herself dreamed of doing
415
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:09,201
Yes My mother would say,
"You can't give up, Leni
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00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,321
- You must persevere You really must"
- Yes
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00:40:11,528 --> 00:40:14,009
- Cheers
- Cheers Thank you
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00:40:14,209 --> 00:40:16,248
Isn't it nice to meet again?
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00:40:16,448 --> 00:40:18,769
This won't be the last time
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00:40:18,859 --> 00:40:21,870
CONVERSATION WITH SCHOOL FRIENDS
ALICE AND HERTHA
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00:40:22,329 --> 00:40:24,450
How sweet, Horst Thank you
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00:40:25,610 --> 00:40:27,770
Would you like another coffee?
423
00:40:28,171 --> 00:40:30,010
- No, thanks so much
- And you?
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00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:34,491
You know what I wanted
to ask you, Alice?
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00:40:34,971 --> 00:40:37,652
How old were we when we first met?
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00:40:37,851 --> 00:40:39,692
Well, I joined the school
427
00:40:40,692 --> 00:40:44,932
- and I noticed that you were very pretty
- yes?
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00:40:45,131 --> 00:40:48,052
You were incredibly ambitious
429
00:40:48,252 --> 00:40:49,493
You would throw a fit,
430
00:40:49,692 --> 00:40:53,014
sometimes it was an act
and sometimes it was genuine,
431
00:40:53,213 --> 00:40:55,174
if things didn't work out
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00:40:55,374 --> 00:40:58,214
or if you didn't get the praise
you expected for your work,
433
00:40:58,415 --> 00:41:00,013
if you didn't get an A
434
00:41:10,136 --> 00:41:12,096
You had a black tulle dress
435
00:41:12,296 --> 00:41:14,535
and you looked like a femme fatale
436
00:41:15,015 --> 00:41:17,496
And Mrs Kollmorgen said,
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00:41:17,936 --> 00:41:22,217
"Your daughter is a beauty",
and we looked up the word
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00:41:34,138 --> 00:41:35,898
You know what she did?
439
00:41:36,099 --> 00:41:38,099
She once said to her mother,
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00:41:38,299 --> 00:41:43,100
"You know, Mommy? I think Hertha
will look quite nice when she's older"
441
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:45,259
So very gracious of her
442
00:41:45,619 --> 00:41:48,260
That's so typical of my friend Leni
443
00:41:49,860 --> 00:41:52,781
- You were the first one to
- I was an early developer
444
00:41:52,981 --> 00:41:54,741
I looked like your nanny
445
00:41:54,941 --> 00:41:58,742
We showed each other our breasts,
and mine were the biggest
446
00:41:58,942 --> 00:42:02,822
I was a terribly late developer
in that area
447
00:42:03,021 --> 00:42:06,463
I began stuffing socks
into my bra in my schooldays
448
00:42:06,782 --> 00:42:09,743
- Because I had no breasts yet and
- We can't say that
449
00:42:09,943 --> 00:42:11,423
Sure, we can
450
00:42:11,624 --> 00:42:14,263
- I did all sorts of things
- You used paint
451
00:42:14,463 --> 00:42:19,664
- I put red paint on my knickers
- To show off her period
452
00:42:22,384 --> 00:42:24,065
But she hadn't had one yet
453
00:42:24,264 --> 00:42:27,985
I thought that none of you
took me seriously
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00:42:45,647 --> 00:42:48,062
THE WHITE HELL OF PIZ PALU
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00:43:06,389 --> 00:43:10,710
From the mid-1920s
Riefenstahl works with Arnold Fanck,
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00:43:10,911 --> 00:43:14,511
the famous director
of many successful "mountain films"
457
00:43:16,751 --> 00:43:19,271
Although she had never acted before,
458
00:43:19,471 --> 00:43:21,631
Riefenstahl demands a leading role
459
00:43:33,633 --> 00:43:36,674
The film is shot under extreme conditions
460
00:43:39,935 --> 00:43:42,674
STORM OVER MONT BLANC
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00:43:59,276 --> 00:44:04,317
Tethered by a rope, she once
plunges 15 meters into a crevasse
462
00:44:05,637 --> 00:44:09,638
She risks frostbite
while shooting at minus 20 degrees
463
00:44:17,438 --> 00:44:20,399
Riefenstahl is the only woman on set
464
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:25,080
All of the men
are First World War veterans
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00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:42,642
"Memory is the only paradise
from which we cannot be banished"
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00:45:07,765 --> 00:45:10,045
STORM OVER MONT BLANC
467
00:45:15,246 --> 00:45:19,447
In 1933, Ernst Udet writes in his memoirs:
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00:45:21,367 --> 00:45:24,407
"My generation has been shaped by the war
469
00:45:24,968 --> 00:45:27,448
The weaker ones were broken by it
470
00:45:28,247 --> 00:45:32,288
But for the rest of us,
the will to live has grown stronger
471
00:45:37,848 --> 00:45:40,210
We were soldiers without a flag
472
00:45:41,129 --> 00:45:43,529
But the Führer gave us one to hold up"
473
00:46:55,978 --> 00:46:59,979
You say, you were just there to take a
picture of what was going on in Nuremberg
474
00:47:00,178 --> 00:47:03,139
Absolut
It was nothing made for the film
475
00:47:03,339 --> 00:47:07,940
I was only six days before
the rally was starting in Nuremberg
476
00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:12,260
You have been quoted as saying
that it was staged for your benefit
477
00:47:12,460 --> 00:47:16,061
This have written journalists but not I
It was nothing staged
478
00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:18,621
You've probably read also,
479
00:47:18,821 --> 00:47:21,862
there was one critic who said
that this film could never have been made
480
00:47:22,062 --> 00:47:24,702
by anyone not fanatically at one
with the events depicted
481
00:47:24,902 --> 00:47:26,342
And another critic called it
482
00:47:26,543 --> 00:47:29,742
"a hymn of praise
to brute strength and mindless hysteria"
483
00:47:29,942 --> 00:47:32,863
This is the opinion of critic people
484
00:47:33,063 --> 00:47:35,544
But this has nothing to do with the truth
485
00:49:26,078 --> 00:49:28,597
~We want you,$
486
00:49:28,797 --> 00:49:31,358
~German boys and German girls,$
487
00:49:33,118 --> 00:49:35,799
~to take in all of this$
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00:49:40,919 --> 00:49:43,679
~The Führer of the German youth
has the floor$
489
00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:45,959
~We want to ensure$
490
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:49,880
~that this people
will not one day end up enfeebled,$
491
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,801
~but that it can instead be tough$
492
00:49:53,161 --> 00:49:57,761
~And while you are young,
you must harden yourselves for this$
493
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,081
~You must learn to endure hardship$
494
00:50:03,722 --> 00:50:06,002
~without ever$
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00:50:07,402 --> 00:50:09,163
~collapsing$
496
00:50:09,603 --> 00:50:12,802
~Because whatever we achieve today,$
497
00:50:13,683 --> 00:50:17,684
~and whatever we do, we will pass away$
498
00:50:18,404 --> 00:50:21,524
~But in you, Germany will live on$
499
00:50:21,724 --> 00:50:24,365
~And when there is nothing left of us,$
500
00:50:24,564 --> 00:50:26,684
~you must take the flag$
501
00:50:26,884 --> 00:50:30,444
~that we raised from nothing,$
502
00:50:30,845 --> 00:50:33,406
~and hold it in your fists$
503
00:51:16,211 --> 00:51:19,492
This is side 1, Leni Riefenstahl,
504
00:51:19,691 --> 00:51:23,172
November 14, 1976
505
00:51:23,272 --> 00:51:26,055
CONVERSATION WITH ERNEST A OSTRO
JOURNALIST
506
00:51:26,251 --> 00:51:30,372
Can you remember
the first time you met Speer in person?
507
00:51:31,933 --> 00:51:36,013
It was one day before the rally,
on a lawn somewhere
508
00:51:36,253 --> 00:51:38,334
- At the grounds?
- Yes
509
00:51:38,774 --> 00:51:40,573
It was in 1933
510
00:51:42,054 --> 00:51:43,454
And
511
00:51:44,774 --> 00:51:47,974
I said, "It doesn't matter
whether he's a National Socialist,
512
00:51:48,175 --> 00:51:50,015
or a Jew, or whatever,
513
00:51:50,215 --> 00:51:53,096
this man is a great person"
514
00:51:54,776 --> 00:51:58,256
We immediately felt a rapport
515
00:51:58,456 --> 00:52:01,776
when it came to art and our professions
516
00:52:03,017 --> 00:52:05,617
We were somehow quite similar
517
00:52:06,617 --> 00:52:09,738
Strong willed, idealistic,
518
00:52:09,938 --> 00:52:13,618
prepared to make sacrifices,
and also uncompromising
519
00:52:27,379 --> 00:52:31,500
It's so nice to meet you As the
Reich Architect, you built all this
520
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:33,301
What can you tell us?
521
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:36,501
The Luitpoldarena
will be finished this year
522
00:52:36,741 --> 00:52:39,622
The Luitpoldhalle is finished too
523
00:52:39,821 --> 00:52:43,982
But everything you see here is just
the beginning of a huge ensemble
524
00:52:44,181 --> 00:52:46,662
that will be built in the coming years
525
00:52:48,903 --> 00:52:51,863
The architect Albert Speer was responsible
526
00:52:52,103 --> 00:52:55,182
for the construction planning
of the Nuremberg Rally
527
00:52:57,743 --> 00:53:03,944
In 1942, Hitler appointed him
Reich Minister of Armaments and Munitions
528
00:53:06,625 --> 00:53:11,144
Speer organized the mass recruitment
of concentration camp inmates
529
00:53:11,345 --> 00:53:15,345
and forced laborers
for the German armaments industry
530
00:53:17,226 --> 00:53:19,266
Hundreds of thousands of prisoners
531
00:53:19,466 --> 00:53:22,587
succumbed to the
inhumane working conditions
532
00:53:26,746 --> 00:53:29,467
Speer is convicted at
the Nuremberg Trial
533
00:53:29,667 --> 00:53:32,668
and sentenced to 20 years in prison
534
00:53:37,149 --> 00:53:39,828
He is released in 1966
535
00:53:45,629 --> 00:53:49,270
While in prison he begins
writing his memoirs,
536
00:53:49,950 --> 00:53:52,350
which become a worldwide success
537
00:54:05,872 --> 00:54:07,993
I don't want to hold a press conference
538
00:54:08,192 --> 00:54:10,872
- Just one question
- No, no questions whatsoever
539
00:54:12,313 --> 00:54:15,393
On the day he was released he said,
540
00:54:15,593 --> 00:54:18,713
"Oh, I'm quite fine"
He deliberately downplayed it
541
00:54:19,834 --> 00:54:22,875
And I thought,
my God, how is that possible?
542
00:54:34,235 --> 00:54:38,597
Albert, you know,
I need your advice about something
543
00:54:38,796 --> 00:54:42,756
Before I finish my memoirs
I need advice about the contract
544
00:54:42,956 --> 00:54:44,396
~Your memoirs? Yes, sure$
545
00:54:44,597 --> 00:54:47,917
- So I don't make any mistakes
~- Don't you have someone$
546
00:54:48,117 --> 00:54:53,719
- Oh, lots, whoever I like
~- Well, especially in that case$
547
00:54:53,918 --> 00:54:55,797
Yes, well, I mean
548
00:54:56,798 --> 00:55:01,279
almost all of the big publishers
are basically waiting for it
549
00:56:02,286 --> 00:56:04,686
I've always fought
as if my life was at stake
550
00:56:07,168 --> 00:56:09,087
Until I got my way
551
00:56:14,167 --> 00:56:16,168
The Reich Ministry of Propaganda
552
00:56:16,368 --> 00:56:20,369
grants Riefenstahl a huge budget
for her film "Olympia",
553
00:56:20,569 --> 00:56:25,809
which at the time is the most costly
documentary project in film history
554
00:56:42,371 --> 00:56:45,011
When you're obsessed with your work
555
00:56:46,772 --> 00:56:51,372
it radiates a certain kind of energy
that is very persuasive to people
556
00:57:06,614 --> 00:57:09,094
Back then, a lot was
uncharted territory
557
00:57:09,815 --> 00:57:12,935
I'd already developed some innovations
558
00:57:13,695 --> 00:57:16,215
I practiced for months in advance
559
00:57:16,776 --> 00:57:21,616
because I knew it was the only way
to transcend the "Wochenschau" newsreels
560
00:57:22,737 --> 00:57:25,657
It was the only way
to make a really vibrant film
561
00:57:41,818 --> 00:57:47,740
So I assigned the camera operators
according to their skills and abilities
562
00:57:50,780 --> 00:57:53,340
They all wanted to outdo each other
563
00:57:54,259 --> 00:57:58,141
They were very competitive
and wanted to do the best possible work
564
00:58:02,142 --> 00:58:04,302
~The long jump competition$
565
00:58:04,502 --> 00:58:07,382
~has come down to a battle
between the German Luz Long$
566
00:58:07,582 --> 00:58:11,582
~and the fastest runner in the world
Jesse Owens$
567
00:58:32,265 --> 00:58:33,466
~806 meters$
568
00:58:41,706 --> 00:58:43,826
~Asakuma for Japan$
569
00:58:54,147 --> 00:58:57,788
~Meter by meter, Germany's starter
Emmy Albus is catching up to$
570
00:58:57,988 --> 00:59:01,149
~the outside runners
from Holland and Canada$
571
00:59:10,910 --> 00:59:13,550
~The deciding race
in the 100-meter sprint$
572
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:15,790
~The world's six fastest runners$
573
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:17,310
~are lining up$
574
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:19,111
~Borchmeyer,$
575
00:59:19,751 --> 00:59:20,911
~Wykoff,$
576
00:59:21,352 --> 00:59:22,391
~Owens$
577
00:59:22,590 --> 00:59:27,112
~USA USA
Owens, Owens, Owens$
578
00:59:28,272 --> 00:59:29,752
Why Jesse Owens?
579
00:59:30,392 --> 00:59:33,272
Well, Jesse Owens stood out for me
580
00:59:33,473 --> 00:59:36,714
It was the first time
I'd ever seen black people
581
00:59:37,008 --> 00:59:39,792
CONVERSATION WITH RAIMUND LE VISEUR
JOURNALIST
582
00:59:41,073 --> 00:59:43,473
And I was electrified
583
00:59:43,674 --> 00:59:45,074
Yes Why?
584
00:59:45,274 --> 00:59:47,594
They were very well built
585
00:59:47,834 --> 00:59:50,275
- and moved like big cats
- Yes
586
00:59:50,475 --> 00:59:51,875
~Get set$
587
00:59:55,355 --> 00:59:57,555
During the actual competition
588
00:59:57,755 --> 01:00:00,676
I wasn't aware
that I'd focused on him so much
589
01:00:00,876 --> 01:00:03,597
I only realized during the editing
590
01:00:11,557 --> 01:00:12,797
Madame
591
01:00:13,237 --> 01:00:17,278
Madame, I'm very pleased to be
interviewing you for Pathé Journal
592
01:00:17,478 --> 01:00:19,279
How is the lighting?
593
01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:22,799
- Invited by Tobis Berlin
- Wait a moment What?
594
01:00:24,295 --> 01:00:25,832
PARI'S WORLD'S FAIR
595
01:00:26,279 --> 01:00:27,719
Don't talk
596
01:00:27,919 --> 01:00:31,560
I'm sure your film
will be a great success
597
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,561
because all of Paris
is already talking about it
598
01:00:36,561 --> 01:00:38,160
Thank you very much
599
01:00:40,801 --> 01:00:42,321
That's it
600
01:00:50,122 --> 01:00:51,602
- Okay
- Okay?
601
01:02:18,173 --> 01:02:20,134
I've seen several of the films
602
01:02:20,333 --> 01:02:21,813
you've made
603
01:02:22,013 --> 01:02:26,534
I was always fascinated by
the camera techniques you employed
604
01:02:26,734 --> 01:02:29,415
For the time, it was sensational
605
01:02:29,614 --> 01:02:31,455
But what you did
606
01:02:32,495 --> 01:02:35,975
In the Olympia film,
there were these beautiful,
607
01:02:36,695 --> 01:02:40,216
very nobly-figured people
portrayed on screen
608
01:02:41,056 --> 01:02:43,496
I didn't make them
they were like that
609
01:02:43,736 --> 01:02:47,777
Yes, and you portrayed them
But I asked myself the question:
610
01:02:47,977 --> 01:02:49,777
Would you have made a film
611
01:02:49,977 --> 01:02:52,337
- about disabled people?
- No
612
01:02:52,537 --> 01:02:54,417
- Would it have interested you?
- No
613
01:02:54,618 --> 01:02:56,898
- Why not?
- That's not my job
614
01:02:57,098 --> 01:02:59,058
That's what I mean If you say,
615
01:02:59,258 --> 01:03:01,539
- "I won't make a documentary"
- Wait
616
01:03:01,779 --> 01:03:04,820
At the Olympics,
I didn't have a choice
617
01:03:05,019 --> 01:03:07,618
I had 30 cameramen filming the event
618
01:03:07,819 --> 01:03:12,100
And that's what's in the film
Nothing was staged or reconstructed
619
01:03:12,299 --> 01:03:16,380
I didn't alter the people,
dress them up, or have them pose
620
01:03:16,581 --> 01:03:20,301
What you see in the film
was shot by 30 different cameramen
621
01:03:20,501 --> 01:03:22,740
from very different positions
622
01:03:22,941 --> 01:03:25,501
And they filmed reality as it was
623
01:03:25,702 --> 01:03:29,262
Of course I didn't film,
or the cameramen
624
01:03:29,462 --> 01:03:32,783
I didn't shoot it myself,
I just told them where to stand
625
01:03:32,983 --> 01:03:37,463
And of course they didn't film
Jesse Owens wiping his bum or anything
626
01:03:37,662 --> 01:03:41,943
They preferred to film him in his
concentration, on the start line
627
01:03:42,144 --> 01:03:46,464
It was the Olympics,
and everyone wants to be the best
628
01:03:46,664 --> 01:03:49,985
That goes for all Olympics,
not just the German Olympics
629
01:03:50,185 --> 01:03:53,745
It's the same in Montreal,
in Rome, in Japan, everywhere
630
01:03:53,944 --> 01:03:56,585
It's very puzzling
why people always accuse me
631
01:03:56,785 --> 01:03:59,146
of embellishing things in that film
632
01:03:59,386 --> 01:04:03,747
Of course the athletes look much fitter
than a man with a fat belly,
633
01:04:03,947 --> 01:04:05,426
but I can't help it
634
01:04:05,626 --> 01:04:08,586
I didn't conjure them up or anything
635
01:04:42,831 --> 01:04:46,192
We needed some images
of people for the prologue
636
01:04:46,432 --> 01:04:50,432
So we decided to shoot by the sea,
at the Curonian Spit,
637
01:04:50,631 --> 01:04:53,552
because of the sky
and the calm background
638
01:04:58,673 --> 01:05:02,194
I delegated the conception
of the prologue to Zielke
639
01:05:03,114 --> 01:05:05,674
He was a brilliant creator of images
640
01:05:05,873 --> 01:05:11,675
No other, let's say, 'regular',
cinematographer could measure up to him
641
01:05:11,875 --> 01:05:14,995
Because of his ideas and his methods
642
01:05:15,195 --> 01:05:19,396
you knew he'd do things
you had to keep in check
643
01:05:26,876 --> 01:05:30,998
I'd seen some of the footage
Zielke had shot, and it was fabulous
644
01:05:31,197 --> 01:05:34,398
It was very stylized
He filmed against the light
645
01:05:34,877 --> 01:05:38,798
so the bodies were only half-lit
and looked very beautiful
646
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:52,240
We worked together on the somewhat
difficult scene of the transformation
647
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:56,240
In a slow-motion shot we see
648
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:01,001
Myron's discus thrower
gradually starts to awaken,
649
01:06:01,201 --> 01:06:03,681
like a statue coming to life
650
01:06:26,604 --> 01:06:29,764
Willy Zielke works
to the point of exhaustion
651
01:06:30,924 --> 01:06:34,324
Not long after the film shoot,
he suffers a breakdown
652
01:06:34,564 --> 01:06:39,085
and is committed to an institution
due to an alleged psychosis
653
01:06:42,606 --> 01:06:46,286
Riefenstahl is regularly informed
about his condition,
654
01:06:46,487 --> 01:06:48,447
but does not react
655
01:06:55,407 --> 01:07:00,049
In August 1937, Zielke
is forcibly sterilized in accordance
656
01:07:00,248 --> 01:07:03,849
with the Law for the Prevention
of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring
657
01:07:16,930 --> 01:07:19,810
"What makes the Greek ideal
of beauty immortal
658
01:07:20,050 --> 01:07:24,131
is the wonderful combination
of the most magnificent physical beauty
659
01:07:24,331 --> 01:07:27,571
with brilliant mind and noblest soul
660
01:07:28,212 --> 01:07:31,052
This, too,
is in the interest of the nation
661
01:07:31,253 --> 01:07:34,532
that the most beautiful bodies
should find one another
662
01:07:34,732 --> 01:07:37,733
and so help
to give the nation new beauty"
663
01:07:38,852 --> 01:07:41,853
Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf"
664
01:07:52,735 --> 01:07:54,574
Do you remember the premiere?
665
01:07:54,775 --> 01:07:57,175
- Yes, very well
- Tell me about it
666
01:07:57,375 --> 01:08:00,095
Shortly before, they told me:
667
01:08:00,296 --> 01:08:03,297
"The film cannot be shown"
668
01:08:03,496 --> 01:08:05,656
The reason they gave me
669
01:08:06,016 --> 01:08:09,057
was the "Anschluss" with Austria
670
01:08:20,977 --> 01:08:23,138
Many of the countries
whose representatives
671
01:08:23,338 --> 01:08:24,978
raised their arms in the Hitler salute
672
01:08:25,739 --> 01:08:30,259
will fall victim to his
expansionist policies a few years later
673
01:08:31,059 --> 01:08:32,740
Austria is the first casualty
674
01:08:32,940 --> 01:08:33,699
AUSTRIA
675
01:08:33,900 --> 01:08:38,100
In March 1938,
German troops march over the border
676
01:08:38,300 --> 01:08:41,541
Hitler calls it the "Anschluss",
the annexation
677
01:08:46,061 --> 01:08:50,702
After Riefenstahl's premiere is cancelled
she follows him to Innsbruck
678
01:08:51,701 --> 01:08:53,302
It was incredible
679
01:08:53,902 --> 01:08:57,623
He was still beaming
from his success
680
01:09:02,544 --> 01:09:06,864
I said, "Forgive me, my Führer,
for addressing you here,
681
01:09:08,184 --> 01:09:11,264
but I am so deeply upset
682
01:09:11,465 --> 01:09:14,905
that my premiere has been postponed"
683
01:09:16,626 --> 01:09:18,545
Then I had an idea and I said,
684
01:09:18,745 --> 01:09:21,825
"I'd know of a good date: your birthday"
685
01:09:23,025 --> 01:09:25,546
Then he looked at me and said,
686
01:09:25,746 --> 01:09:28,786
"Yes, but I have
so many parades to attend
687
01:09:30,347 --> 01:09:32,948
and so many appointments"
688
01:09:33,147 --> 01:09:36,827
And then he said,
"You know what? It's not a bad idea
689
01:09:37,547 --> 01:09:40,228
Let's do it on my birthday"
690
01:09:56,430 --> 01:09:58,871
A FILM BY LENI RIEFENSTAHL
691
01:10:29,554 --> 01:10:32,475
During her extensive
premiere tour for "Olympia",
692
01:10:32,675 --> 01:10:34,515
she writes to Hitler:
693
01:10:34,714 --> 01:10:40,276
"My Führer, you know how to bring joy
to others better than anyone else
694
01:10:40,915 --> 01:10:44,036
When I arrived at the Lido
for the Film Biennale,
695
01:10:44,236 --> 01:10:46,637
the first thing I found
were the beautiful roses
696
01:10:46,837 --> 01:10:49,116
and birthday telegram you sent to me
697
01:10:49,836 --> 01:10:53,477
I could hardly believe that you
found time in your hectic schedule
698
01:10:53,677 --> 01:10:55,837
to think of me for even a moment
699
01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:16,000
The film's impact as German propaganda
700
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,520
is much greater
than I could have imagined
701
01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:22,161
And your image, my Führer,
is always applauded,
702
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,281
even in Finland
703
01:11:25,601 --> 01:11:29,642
I will be traveling to Oslo,
England and America
704
01:11:36,162 --> 01:11:39,602
I am so happy that you have not
completely forgotten me
705
01:11:39,803 --> 01:11:41,483
I am always thinking of you
706
01:11:41,683 --> 01:11:44,283
Yours truly, Leni Riefenstahl"
707
01:12:19,584 --> 01:12:21,519
KONSKIE
POLAND
708
01:12:28,929 --> 01:12:31,650
My life would have been nicer
709
01:12:31,850 --> 01:12:35,130
if I'd died at the peak of my career
710
01:12:37,290 --> 01:12:39,330
And that was exactly
711
01:12:39,850 --> 01:12:45,171
up until the outbreak of war
on September 1, 1939
712
01:12:46,252 --> 01:12:50,531
Up to that point,
my star had been constantly rising
713
01:12:59,213 --> 01:13:03,773
In the early days of the war, the Reich
Chancellery commissions Riefenstahl
714
01:13:03,973 --> 01:13:07,054
to film the Wehrmacht's
campaign in Poland
715
01:13:10,614 --> 01:13:12,494
Shortly after her arrival,
716
01:13:12,695 --> 01:13:15,655
she is confronted
with the reality of warfare
717
01:13:44,699 --> 01:13:47,379
Riefenstahl leaves Końskie
718
01:13:47,578 --> 01:13:53,140
A few weeks later she asks to be released
from her position as a war correspondent
719
01:13:54,820 --> 01:13:59,300
Less than a year later
she begins shooting "Lowlands"
720
01:13:59,501 --> 01:14:02,420
It is her last big project for the regime
721
01:14:03,060 --> 01:14:06,421
A film based on one
of Hitler's favorite operas
722
01:14:07,941 --> 01:14:13,022
Riefenstahl writes the screenplay,
directs, and plays the leading role
723
01:14:39,665 --> 01:14:42,706
While on set,
she becomes acquainted with Peter Jacob,
724
01:14:43,466 --> 01:14:47,425
a member of the SA
and a major in the mountain infantry
725
01:14:49,146 --> 01:14:54,827
According to his Wehrmacht records,
Jacob is a hands-on, committed Nazi
726
01:14:57,548 --> 01:15:00,068
They marry in 1944
727
01:15:00,868 --> 01:15:03,708
and spend the last year
of the war together
728
01:15:15,949 --> 01:15:21,190
The last conversation I had with Hitler
was during the war, in 1944
729
01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:26,071
All I can remember is that
he'd just shaken my husband's hand
730
01:15:26,271 --> 01:15:28,272
He barely acknowledged him
731
01:15:30,432 --> 01:15:33,712
He spoke in a kind of monologue
for almost an hour
732
01:15:36,352 --> 01:15:39,553
He talked about England,
Mussolini, and Italy
733
01:15:40,273 --> 01:15:43,434
He still firmly believed
that he would win the war
734
01:15:44,234 --> 01:15:46,753
And that was the last time I saw him
735
01:16:08,637 --> 01:16:12,797
We heard on the radio
that Hitler had committed
736
01:16:12,997 --> 01:16:14,998
- that Hitler was dead
- Yes
737
01:16:16,157 --> 01:16:18,877
My whole past rose up before me
738
01:16:19,078 --> 01:16:22,518
All the past impressions
I'd had of that man,
739
01:16:22,718 --> 01:16:26,399
And that was all over now,
I was destroyed
740
01:16:39,055 --> 01:16:41,168
LENI RIEFENSTAHL IN HER OWN WORDS
741
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:43,761
Leni Riefenstahl,
742
01:16:43,961 --> 01:16:47,680
you became famous as,
one might say, the focal point
743
01:16:47,881 --> 01:16:51,561
of many things that were going on
in Germany at the time,
744
01:16:51,761 --> 01:16:53,321
Hitler-Germany
745
01:16:54,202 --> 01:16:55,642
And
746
01:16:56,482 --> 01:16:58,883
with the end of that period
747
01:16:59,723 --> 01:17:03,162
a long silence
This silence needs explanation
748
01:17:04,283 --> 01:17:06,403
Why? What has happened?
749
01:17:07,363 --> 01:17:09,684
You mean the time after the war?
750
01:17:09,884 --> 01:17:11,244
Yes
751
01:17:14,485 --> 01:17:16,404
We have lost the war
752
01:17:17,564 --> 01:17:18,925
I think
753
01:17:19,484 --> 01:17:21,405
that is the question, yes?
754
01:17:22,005 --> 01:17:23,166
We have lost the war
755
01:17:33,303 --> 01:17:36,537
Special Interrogation Series No 3
756
01:17:39,304 --> 01:17:42,373
Leni Riefenstahl (wife of
Wehrmacht Major Jacob) was
757
01:17:42,396 --> 01:17:45,465
arrested by American troops
in her house in Kitzbuehel
758
01:17:45,488 --> 01:17:47,528
I don't know
759
01:17:47,728 --> 01:17:49,769
Natural, I can say
something what I have seen
760
01:17:50,249 --> 01:17:52,049
from my point and so
761
01:17:52,249 --> 01:17:53,449
But we are
762
01:17:53,650 --> 01:17:55,890
not thinking about
763
01:17:56,089 --> 01:17:59,809
what can happen later
That was really our mistake
764
01:18:01,050 --> 01:18:04,050
Just the same,
from the point of your enthusiasm,
765
01:18:04,451 --> 01:18:07,811
did you feel that Hitler
had a very strong personal magnetism then?
766
01:18:08,011 --> 01:18:12,172
I mean, natural Now it is
perhaps dangerous to say it but it was
767
01:18:12,372 --> 01:18:14,212
I think it's perfectly reasonable to
768
01:18:15,812 --> 01:18:19,093
It was, it was, natural Yes
It was
769
01:18:19,865 --> 01:18:22,041
One may or may not
consider R's statements
770
01:18:22,065 --> 01:18:24,582
reliable Nevertheless
they give one the impression
771
01:18:24,606 --> 01:18:26,856
of honesty, and dread
which she expresses
772
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,818
about the Regime and
its leaders seem sincere
773
01:18:33,069 --> 01:18:36,468
During all these years R
had heard of Kzs now and then,
774
01:18:36,491 --> 01:18:39,890
but had no actual conception
of what they really meant
775
01:18:41,736 --> 01:18:45,335
I have only heard the one name
of the concentration camp Dachau
776
01:18:45,575 --> 01:18:49,176
And for this I have asked
two or three times and they told me,
777
01:18:49,376 --> 01:18:53,177
in this camp are people,
not Jewish people,
778
01:18:53,417 --> 01:18:57,818
there are people
who are spies or so people
779
01:18:59,058 --> 01:19:02,538
But when people disappeared,
this interests me
780
01:19:02,738 --> 01:19:05,138
- What is "disappeared"?
- When people went missing
781
01:19:05,338 --> 01:19:07,699
How I know this?
How I know this?
782
01:19:07,899 --> 01:19:10,739
My friends, my Jewish friends,
783
01:19:10,939 --> 01:19:13,139
they go away much earlier
784
01:19:13,340 --> 01:19:16,419
The latest was my doctor
'38 he was going to America, yes?
785
01:19:16,619 --> 01:19:20,580
And so I don't know one people who goes
786
01:19:21,100 --> 01:19:22,060
How?
787
01:19:40,622 --> 01:19:43,423
Footage from the shooting of "Lowlands"
788
01:19:47,343 --> 01:19:52,344
Riefenstahl procures 50 Sinti and Roma
from an internment camp
789
01:19:52,544 --> 01:19:54,464
to work as extras
790
01:19:54,664 --> 01:19:56,585
Many of them are children
791
01:20:04,185 --> 01:20:07,986
"Siegfried, our little Gypsy"
792
01:20:13,867 --> 01:20:17,227
"Siegfried, a test for Leni's patience"
793
01:20:35,589 --> 01:20:40,231
Over the next few years, most of
these extras are deported to Auschwitz
794
01:20:40,430 --> 01:20:42,070
where they are murdered
795
01:20:43,631 --> 01:20:45,950
"Deceased"
796
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:51,431
After the war, Riefenstahl claims
that she has met all the extras
797
01:20:51,632 --> 01:20:53,992
and that they are alive and well
798
01:21:17,114 --> 01:21:18,794
Well
799
01:21:19,754 --> 01:21:21,475
Please
800
01:21:22,515 --> 01:21:24,716
Better you finish
801
01:21:24,915 --> 01:21:26,636
I am too excited
802
01:21:48,718 --> 01:21:52,079
BADEN STATE COMMISSARIAT
FOR POLITICAL CLEANSING
803
01:21:52,279 --> 01:21:54,840
FREIBURG TRIBUNAL 2ND DEPARTMENT
804
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:03,000
RULING IN POLITICAL CLEANSING PROCESS
805
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:07,841
"It is certain that, in a formal context,
Mrs Leni Riefenstahl, born 22081902,
806
01:22:08,041 --> 01:22:12,081
was neither a member of the NSDAP
nor any of its organizations
807
01:22:12,282 --> 01:22:16,922
and thus there is no presumption of guilt
in accordance with Directive 38"
808
01:22:17,121 --> 01:22:21,363
"She had no interest whatsoever
in producing propaganda for the NSDAP
809
01:22:21,562 --> 01:22:25,803
Her acceptance of the two film
commissions (Nuremberg Rally and Olympia)
810
01:22:26,003 --> 01:22:29,003
does not indicate
anything to the contrary"
811
01:22:29,203 --> 01:22:31,924
RULING IN POLITICAL CLEANSING PROCESS
812
01:22:32,123 --> 01:22:34,884
AGAINST RIEFENSTAHL-JACOB, LENI
813
01:22:35,205 --> 01:22:37,245
FOLLOWER / SYMPATHIZER
814
01:22:37,445 --> 01:22:39,045
SANCTIONS IMPOSED:
815
01:22:39,245 --> 01:22:42,406
THE OFFENDER IS BARRED
FROM HOLDING PUBLIC OFFICE
816
01:22:42,846 --> 01:22:48,406
The tribunal's ruling in December 1949
is tantamount to an acquittal
817
01:22:50,446 --> 01:22:55,127
Three years later, Riefenstahl's past
catches up with her once again
818
01:22:55,327 --> 01:22:58,046
~Poland$
819
01:23:13,929 --> 01:23:17,930
"Revue" magazine confronts her
with new accusations
820
01:23:18,929 --> 01:23:22,570
LENI RIEFENSTAHL IS SILENT ABOUT THIS
821
01:23:22,770 --> 01:23:27,211
"In reality, Leni Riefenstahl
is one of the few German women
822
01:23:27,412 --> 01:23:31,171
who not only knew about
the terrible crimes
823
01:23:31,371 --> 01:23:34,692
but who actually saw them
with her own eyes"
824
01:23:44,252 --> 01:23:48,613
I don't know if you've heard of the book
titled "The Final Solution",
825
01:23:48,813 --> 01:23:50,934
but it contains a passage
826
01:23:52,334 --> 01:23:56,134
that describes an event
during the Polish Campaign
827
01:23:57,113 --> 01:23:59,896
CONVERSATION WITH ERNEST A OSTRO
JOURNALIST
828
01:24:01,054 --> 01:24:03,215
- Come on, drink up
- Thanks
829
01:24:03,415 --> 01:24:07,536
- It's my second cup
- No, be my guest
830
01:24:08,096 --> 01:24:11,537
Anyway, "On 10 September 1939,
831
01:24:12,496 --> 01:24:18,297
Leni Riefenstahl was in the office
of Generalmajor Langhäuser,
832
01:24:18,497 --> 01:24:20,737
she entered his office
833
01:24:21,217 --> 01:24:25,499
She witnessed the shooting of 22 Jews"
834
01:24:25,698 --> 01:24:28,218
- No, that's not true
- May I continue?
835
01:24:28,418 --> 01:24:31,658
- You see how unheard of that is?
- Wait a moment
836
01:24:31,859 --> 01:24:36,339
"She said she could not
carry on with her work,
837
01:24:36,540 --> 01:24:39,260
- with her film crew"
- It's all lies
838
01:24:40,180 --> 01:24:44,660
- "when such atrocities were"
- I never saw any atrocities
839
01:24:44,860 --> 01:24:46,741
- Happening"
- It's just not true
840
01:24:59,261 --> 01:25:02,823
The estate contains a letter dated 1952
841
01:25:03,023 --> 01:25:08,424
written by an adjutant to Riefenstahl's
now divorced husband Peter Jacob
842
01:25:09,984 --> 01:25:13,543
The adjutant
describes details of the massacre:
843
01:25:15,504 --> 01:25:18,665
"According to a report
submitted to the 10th Army,
844
01:25:18,865 --> 01:25:21,185
your wife is alleged to have said
845
01:25:21,385 --> 01:25:25,866
(probably referring to a scene that was
to be filmed on the market place):
846
01:25:26,546 --> 01:25:29,426
'But the Jews have to be
removed from there'
847
01:25:30,946 --> 01:25:33,586
It's what anyone else would have said too,
848
01:25:33,787 --> 01:25:36,707
because having a bunch of people
working in a ditch,
849
01:25:36,907 --> 01:25:40,268
surrounded by more or less
disciplined German soldiers,
850
01:25:40,468 --> 01:25:43,148
isn't a good background for filming
851
01:25:48,708 --> 01:25:51,389
A lance corporal passed on these comments
852
01:25:51,589 --> 01:25:54,389
and it ended up sounding like this:
853
01:25:54,589 --> 01:25:56,590
'Get rid of the Jews'
854
01:25:57,989 --> 01:26:01,390
Prompted by this remark
and a few persuasive kicks,
855
01:26:01,590 --> 01:26:03,950
some Poles attempted to flee
856
01:26:05,070 --> 01:26:07,431
and then shots were fired"
857
01:26:13,471 --> 01:26:15,192
If this statement is true,
858
01:26:15,391 --> 01:26:20,312
Riefenstahl's set direction played a role
in the death of the Jews in Końskie
859
01:26:27,273 --> 01:26:30,953
Mrs Riefenstahl, we should decide
if you want to take a different stand
860
01:26:31,154 --> 01:26:34,954
so you don't feel
that you're being judged here
861
01:26:35,154 --> 01:26:37,635
I'm here,
and I'll do what's demanded of me
862
01:26:37,835 --> 01:26:40,235
- And what is that?
- Whatever you like
863
01:26:40,435 --> 01:26:44,595
I'll answer, just ask me
If I shouldn't talk, then I won't
864
01:26:44,795 --> 01:26:49,036
As you like
I'm not really free to choose
865
01:26:49,436 --> 01:26:52,316
We, Mrs Kretschmar,
Mr Kiesewetter, and others,
866
01:26:52,637 --> 01:26:56,396
can't always share the opinions
that you represent
867
01:26:56,597 --> 01:26:59,797
- You must understand that
- You don't know my opinions
868
01:26:59,997 --> 01:27:02,677
- I haven't even been asked
- May I ask you now?
869
01:27:03,237 --> 01:27:05,558
I can only say this:
870
01:27:05,758 --> 01:27:09,279
The people
who lived during the Third Reich,
871
01:27:09,478 --> 01:27:12,998
the people who endured so much
872
01:27:13,198 --> 01:27:16,359
and had the opportunity
to learn about those things
873
01:27:16,559 --> 01:27:21,640
that I understand that they react
with bitterness to those times
874
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,161
But there were many people,
including myself,
875
01:27:25,361 --> 01:27:28,080
who only saw it from the positive side
876
01:27:28,281 --> 01:27:30,401
And for whom, only when
it became known
877
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,921
when I was in prison
and the war was over
878
01:27:33,121 --> 01:27:35,682
and I'd heard about these
terrible crimes
879
01:27:35,881 --> 01:27:39,002
a whole world fell apart
880
01:27:39,323 --> 01:27:43,202
We experienced such
a shock that I, and many others,
881
01:27:43,403 --> 01:27:47,603
will never be able to heal and recover
882
01:27:47,803 --> 01:27:51,404
That's why I have always
avoided these talk shows
883
01:27:51,603 --> 01:27:55,804
This is the first one
I've agreed to do in many years
884
01:27:56,004 --> 01:28:00,004
because those wounds
have still not healed
885
01:28:14,526 --> 01:28:17,046
~- Madame, may I say something to you?$
- Yes
886
01:28:17,247 --> 01:28:20,368
~Right until the end of the war,
I also knew nothing$
887
01:28:20,567 --> 01:28:23,208
~about the gassings in Auschwitz$
888
01:28:23,448 --> 01:28:26,728
Yes, but that's historically
well established by now
889
01:28:26,928 --> 01:28:31,008
~But today, Hitler is portrayed as one of
the worst political criminals in history$
890
01:28:31,208 --> 01:28:35,569
Everyone knows that, of course
But no one asked me about that
891
01:28:35,769 --> 01:28:38,169
Wait, no one asked me about that
892
01:28:41,889 --> 01:28:44,530
~I also knew Hitler, Mrs Riefenstahl$
893
01:28:44,730 --> 01:28:47,931
~- I had dinner with him seven times$
- Yes
894
01:28:48,531 --> 01:28:51,692
~Well, I did condemn him$
895
01:28:51,891 --> 01:28:54,732
~because of the gassings he did$
896
01:28:55,252 --> 01:28:57,212
You knew about that before?
897
01:28:57,411 --> 01:29:00,732
And how did you find out
that he was doing these gassings?
898
01:29:00,932 --> 01:29:03,972
~- Oh, I just knew$
~- $ Who told you?
899
01:29:04,533 --> 01:29:08,814
~The Reich Chamber of Film
received a secret correspondence$
900
01:29:09,013 --> 01:29:11,253
~- every two weeks$
- Yes
901
01:29:11,813 --> 01:29:16,494
~My husband would bring
the letters home overnight$
902
01:29:16,694 --> 01:29:18,414
~That's where I read it$
903
01:29:18,614 --> 01:29:22,375
Can you remember
when you first had written proof
904
01:29:22,575 --> 01:29:25,136
that the gas ovens had been built?
905
01:29:25,334 --> 01:29:29,295
That's historically important,
but no one has figured it out yet
906
01:29:29,576 --> 01:29:32,816
You'd be the only person
in the world who had such proof
907
01:29:33,016 --> 01:29:35,257
It would be fabulous
908
01:29:35,457 --> 01:29:38,017
if you had such documents
909
01:29:38,217 --> 01:29:42,537
containing the dates, times,
and details of how people were burned
910
01:29:42,737 --> 01:29:45,338
- It's outrageous
~- Gassed, yes$
911
01:29:45,538 --> 01:29:49,818
That's what I meant: Gassed,
or burned, or whatever happened
912
01:30:04,380 --> 01:30:05,700
The sound running
913
01:30:06,980 --> 01:30:08,381
Scene one, take two
914
01:30:09,901 --> 01:30:12,301
~Rostock's Lichtenhagen district$
915
01:30:12,500 --> 01:30:16,302
~has seen four days
of widespread anti-immigrant rioting$
916
01:30:16,502 --> 01:30:19,982
~The residents applaud
Police and politicians look away$
917
01:30:20,582 --> 01:30:22,102
~Foreigners out$
918
01:30:28,263 --> 01:30:30,506
How do you feel
when you see such images today?
919
01:30:30,530 --> 01:30:32,912
THE WONDERFUL, HORRIBLE LIFE OF
LENI RIEFENSTAHL UNRELEASED FOOTAGE
920
01:30:32,936 --> 01:30:36,057
Terrible I think it's terrible
921
01:30:37,425 --> 01:30:43,265
How can people act like that
against women and innocent children?
922
01:30:44,625 --> 01:30:46,985
Doesn't it stir up memories?
923
01:30:47,785 --> 01:30:50,586
We've seen images like this
in Germany before
924
01:30:50,786 --> 01:30:53,906
I never witnessed that in Germany
It never happened
925
01:30:54,786 --> 01:30:57,587
Terrible things happened
in Germany after the war,
926
01:30:57,786 --> 01:31:00,747
but not that
I never saw anything like that
927
01:31:01,827 --> 01:31:03,027
Do you think
928
01:31:03,228 --> 01:31:07,429
Listen, I don't want to get into
political things like that
929
01:31:07,628 --> 01:31:11,348
Because then people will say
I don't want to comment on that
930
01:31:11,548 --> 01:31:14,829
- But you can just say
- But then I'll be a neo-Nazi
931
01:31:15,028 --> 01:31:19,310
If I say that, I'll be labeled
a neo-Nazi again That's how it is
932
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:21,630
That's why you can't speak the truth
933
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:24,070
Because if you do they execute you
934
01:31:24,270 --> 01:31:28,390
They execute you if you speak the truth
It's all lies
935
01:31:35,191 --> 01:31:37,272
LENI RIEFENSTAHL TO SUE
936
01:31:37,952 --> 01:31:42,192
"I NEVER HAD ANYONE GASSED"
937
01:31:43,352 --> 01:31:46,873
It's really terrible,
all the lies and deception
938
01:31:47,073 --> 01:31:49,233
All the stuff they make up
939
01:31:51,234 --> 01:31:54,154
I have never said anything antisemitic
940
01:31:54,354 --> 01:31:57,954
nor have I ever said
anything against Jews Never
941
01:31:59,875 --> 01:32:03,395
I just told you that
I was never in that camp
942
01:32:03,595 --> 01:32:07,235
All I can do is tell you
God damn it
943
01:32:07,876 --> 01:32:09,995
- Rolling
- Action
944
01:32:15,276 --> 01:32:18,197
There are over 50
court cases documented here
945
01:32:18,717 --> 01:32:23,598
These are the facts
In most cases it was slander
946
01:32:23,798 --> 01:32:25,597
They say you used Gypsies
947
01:32:25,798 --> 01:32:28,438
from a concentration camp
as extras in "Lowlands"
948
01:32:28,638 --> 01:32:31,679
That's the most evil lie
that was circulated
949
01:32:31,878 --> 01:32:33,919
My blood boils when I hear that
950
01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:41,599
Just a moment
951
01:32:42,559 --> 01:32:44,960
I'm suing for defamation
952
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,760
If you were defamed
you might sue as well
953
01:32:59,162 --> 01:33:02,962
I wouldn't say Gypsies have to lie,
but you have to decide
954
01:33:03,162 --> 01:33:07,204
who's more likely to commit perjury,
me or the Gypsies
955
01:33:11,123 --> 01:33:15,324
This whole affair
has put me under such strain
956
01:33:15,523 --> 01:33:19,765
that I am leaving Germany for
an extended period, for several months
957
01:33:19,964 --> 01:33:23,605
I will probably
only return to Germany for visits
958
01:33:44,207 --> 01:33:46,448
In 1962 to '63,
959
01:33:46,648 --> 01:33:50,049
Riefenstahl makes
her first expedition to Sudan
960
01:33:51,129 --> 01:33:53,369
I'll just describe it as it is -
961
01:33:54,048 --> 01:33:57,729
Natu is playing various melodies
on the guitar
962
01:34:10,890 --> 01:34:14,611
Over the years, she frequently returns
to the Nuba people,
963
01:34:14,811 --> 01:34:17,451
often for months at a time
964
01:34:22,093 --> 01:34:25,652
In Sudan, nobody asks questions
about her past
965
01:34:33,653 --> 01:34:36,015
A report for the Sunday Times
966
01:34:37,494 --> 01:34:43,455
The headline: "Why did I live
with an African tribe for months
967
01:34:43,655 --> 01:34:45,615
and take these photos?"
968
01:34:49,816 --> 01:34:53,215
When I think about this question,
969
01:34:53,656 --> 01:34:55,256
I'd have to say
970
01:34:56,256 --> 01:34:58,856
that this work is the
logical development
971
01:34:59,057 --> 01:35:01,537
of my entire professional career
972
01:35:02,658 --> 01:35:05,578
In all the films I've made so far
973
01:35:05,778 --> 01:35:10,098
I was always captivated
by the beauty of the subject
974
01:35:12,818 --> 01:35:15,019
In particular the harmony
975
01:35:15,219 --> 01:35:20,860
that radiates when outer beauty
is combined with inner beauty
976
01:35:35,502 --> 01:35:37,462
That was in 1968/69,
977
01:35:37,662 --> 01:35:40,181
when Horst joined me
for the first time
978
01:35:40,902 --> 01:35:44,303
and we had a car,
979
01:35:45,302 --> 01:35:47,503
that made it much easier
980
01:35:56,943 --> 01:35:58,744
That's where I slept
981
01:35:58,944 --> 01:36:02,985
I lived there for months, and there,
982
01:36:03,185 --> 01:36:06,506
it may sound incredible,
but I was very happy there
983
01:36:07,984 --> 01:36:10,305
That's me with the children and women
984
01:36:10,505 --> 01:36:14,266
The first contact I made
was through the children
985
01:36:16,347 --> 01:36:19,307
I put on a small children's
wrestling match
986
01:36:24,347 --> 01:36:28,747
- Why does it say "Sport Schuster"?
- Because Schuster sponsored me
987
01:36:28,948 --> 01:36:32,429
They gave me
two tents and some other things
988
01:36:40,109 --> 01:36:42,789
Riefenstahl on her fourth expedition
989
01:36:43,629 --> 01:36:48,471
She relies on the support of numerous
German companies to finance the trip
990
01:36:49,311 --> 01:36:53,030
In return, she grants them
free use of the images
991
01:36:58,151 --> 01:37:00,912
That was two years after my first visit
992
01:37:01,112 --> 01:37:05,112
They carried me on their shoulders
and shouted "Leni, Leni, Leni"
993
01:37:05,313 --> 01:37:09,993
Their children were named after me,
and a mountain too: "Monte Leni"
994
01:37:10,233 --> 01:37:12,994
I wish I could have stayed forever
995
01:39:49,053 --> 01:39:53,173
THE NUBA
996
01:39:54,973 --> 01:39:59,174
THE PEOPLE OF KAU
997
01:40:22,536 --> 01:40:26,698
What was it that made you want to go
look for this tribe and make this book?
998
01:40:26,897 --> 01:40:29,698
You mentioned you were worried about
civilization coming to these tribes
999
01:40:29,898 --> 01:40:33,979
but do you not help to bring civilization
to them by photographing them?
1000
01:40:34,219 --> 01:40:39,259
No and I have make the most
of these photos with long lenses
1001
01:40:39,458 --> 01:40:41,979
I was very far from them
1002
01:40:42,180 --> 01:40:44,859
That had not destroy their life
1003
01:40:45,060 --> 01:40:48,981
But the civilization must come, natural
But slowly
1004
01:40:49,341 --> 01:40:51,180
Very slowly
1005
01:40:51,380 --> 01:40:56,741
I have seen that especially money
gives this people not luck
1006
01:40:57,422 --> 01:40:59,462
Let's talk about your photographs
1007
01:40:59,662 --> 01:41:03,543
You say in your book that physical health
and beauty are the Nuba ideal
1008
01:41:03,742 --> 01:41:07,222
There was a period when this
was the ideal in Germany also
1009
01:41:07,422 --> 01:41:12,343
I think it was also an ideal in Rome
and in Greece and in many countries
1010
01:41:12,543 --> 01:41:14,944
Not only in Germany
1011
01:41:15,144 --> 01:41:18,704
With these photographs you immortalize
this beauty, health and strength
1012
01:41:18,905 --> 01:41:21,024
People will draw parallels
1013
01:41:21,223 --> 01:41:25,184
with that film which became
so controversial, "Triumph of the Will",
1014
01:41:25,385 --> 01:41:29,946
which also, many people say, was a glori-
fication of healthy, handsome German men
1015
01:41:30,145 --> 01:41:34,466
If they write about you things
what is not true and what is very bad
1016
01:41:34,666 --> 01:41:37,226
then you will have the same thing
1017
01:41:37,986 --> 01:41:40,707
Natural I have suffered horrible
about this
1018
01:41:40,906 --> 01:41:44,507
Because through these rumors
and these difficulties
1019
01:41:44,708 --> 01:41:47,748
it was not possible more to work for me
1020
01:41:51,748 --> 01:41:54,108
It's a fantastic book
1021
01:41:55,149 --> 01:41:57,909
I'll show you
some of my favorite head shots
1022
01:41:58,109 --> 01:41:59,549
That would be nice
1023
01:41:59,749 --> 01:42:02,670
For example, this one is very beautiful
1024
01:42:04,510 --> 01:42:06,550
Let's see how close I can get
1025
01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:09,670
That's interesting
1026
01:42:12,751 --> 01:42:13,791
So
1027
01:42:15,991 --> 01:42:18,471
I'll put this here carefully
1028
01:42:19,592 --> 01:42:21,312
Somewhere down here
1029
01:42:22,351 --> 01:42:24,592
There are no birds here
1030
01:42:25,312 --> 01:42:28,552
But they
How much should I put in, Horst?
1031
01:42:29,193 --> 01:42:30,593
All of it?
1032
01:42:32,553 --> 01:42:35,233
- Go for a walk, shall we?
- Fine
1033
01:42:35,833 --> 01:42:37,113
Come on
1034
01:42:38,753 --> 01:42:40,154
Go inside
1035
01:42:51,235 --> 01:42:53,315
- Albert, how lovely
- ~Yes, hello$
1036
01:42:53,596 --> 01:42:55,796
What about your house in the Allgäu?
1037
01:42:55,996 --> 01:42:59,077
~- We're going there now$
~- $ Is it finished now?
1038
01:42:59,276 --> 01:43:01,277
~- Yes$
~- $ Great
1039
01:43:01,477 --> 01:43:05,117
So tell me, when are you there
in case I want to call you?
1040
01:43:05,317 --> 01:43:10,158
~I'll give you the number I only give it
to my closest, most intimate friends$
1041
01:43:10,358 --> 01:43:12,558
~- That includes you$
- Oh, thank you
1042
01:43:12,758 --> 01:43:17,959
Albert, I wanted to ask you
how much you get paid
1043
01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:19,439
~It depends$
1044
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:23,199
~Usually, when I go to the BBC
for an hour or so,$
1045
01:43:23,399 --> 01:43:25,319
~they pay a few hundred marks$
1046
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,000
Oh, how about that
1047
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:31,761
Well, I don't do any smaller things
for less than 5,000 marks
1048
01:43:32,361 --> 01:43:37,161
And Canada already
paid 10,000 ten years ago
1049
01:44:15,927 --> 01:44:19,366
Ella, isn't it like in Germany,
that when programs are broadcast
1050
01:44:19,566 --> 01:44:21,927
the TV guides do the advertising?
1051
01:44:22,126 --> 01:44:24,967
~Yes, and it says what I told Leni:$
1052
01:44:25,447 --> 01:44:28,008
~"The Nazi-era filmmaker"$
1053
01:44:46,570 --> 01:44:48,010
And I'm in danger,
1054
01:44:48,211 --> 01:44:50,890
because there are so many
anti-Nazis in Switzerland
1055
01:44:51,090 --> 01:44:55,771
that when I go there for a show and
I'm introduced as a Nazi whatever,
1056
01:44:55,971 --> 01:44:58,172
- you can imagine what it's like
~- Yes$
1057
01:45:02,452 --> 01:45:04,892
- Hello?
~- This is Swiss TV in Geneva$
1058
01:45:05,092 --> 01:45:07,052
- One moment, please
- ~Thank you$
1059
01:45:09,372 --> 01:45:11,292
~Claude Torracinta$
1060
01:45:12,973 --> 01:45:15,054
You know, Mr Claude,
1061
01:45:15,253 --> 01:45:18,815
you don't realize how often
they've put me through the mangle
1062
01:45:19,013 --> 01:45:24,095
Every time I go on television
they claim that I share the blame
1063
01:45:24,294 --> 01:45:27,375
for all the atrocities,
for the concentration camps,
1064
01:45:27,575 --> 01:45:30,896
all the crimes
It always happens
1065
01:45:31,095 --> 01:45:34,855
If someone ever used
the word "Holocaust",
1066
01:45:35,055 --> 01:45:37,536
- I would end the interview
~- Yes$
1067
01:45:37,736 --> 01:45:41,017
~Mrs Riefenstahl,
it's just archive material$
1068
01:45:41,217 --> 01:45:43,857
- It's such a
~- What I'd like to say$
1069
01:45:44,057 --> 01:45:47,537
I am not responsible
for what happened
1070
01:45:47,738 --> 01:45:49,457
Why do you want to show that?
1071
01:45:56,379 --> 01:46:00,820
TONIGHT
LENI RIEFENSTAHL
1072
01:46:02,860 --> 01:46:04,219
Good evening
1073
01:46:04,419 --> 01:46:06,739
For the first time
in the history of "Destins",
1074
01:46:06,940 --> 01:46:09,020
our invited guest is absent
1075
01:46:10,781 --> 01:46:14,621
Today, Mrs Riefenstahl
demanded that we cut
1076
01:46:14,821 --> 01:46:16,941
certain political scenes,
1077
01:46:17,382 --> 01:46:20,341
especially those about
the fate of the Jews
1078
01:46:32,223 --> 01:46:35,943
When she demanded
that we cut certain scenes,
1079
01:46:36,143 --> 01:46:41,144
we assured her
that we would not edit the show
1080
01:46:41,344 --> 01:46:43,504
by cutting political scenes,
1081
01:46:43,704 --> 01:46:47,825
especially those
concerning the Jews in Germany
1082
01:46:48,025 --> 01:46:50,145
Mrs Riefenstahl then decided
1083
01:46:50,345 --> 01:46:53,225
not to participate
in our studio interview
1084
01:46:53,425 --> 01:46:56,586
where she would have been free
to share
1085
01:46:57,066 --> 01:46:59,387
her convictions with the audience
1086
01:46:59,587 --> 01:47:01,667
by responding to my questions
1087
01:47:02,947 --> 01:47:05,627
Thank you for watching Good night
1088
01:47:23,269 --> 01:47:26,549
Your assistant
already put two cushions on the chair
1089
01:47:27,750 --> 01:47:29,710
- There
- Everything's nicely prepared
1090
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:31,791
- Exactly
- Yes
1091
01:47:32,271 --> 01:47:33,790
I'll hold the chair
1092
01:47:33,990 --> 01:47:36,390
Hold tight so you land properly
1093
01:47:36,591 --> 01:47:38,511
- I have to
- There
1094
01:47:38,804 --> 01:47:41,037
Tell us how you want it
so you're comfy, okay?
1095
01:47:41,093 --> 01:47:43,574
SPEER AND HITLER: THE DEVIL'S
ARCHITECT UNRELEASED FOOTAGE
1096
01:47:43,597 --> 01:47:44,969
- Is that okay?
- I have to Where is the camera?
1097
01:47:44,993 --> 01:47:47,113
The camera is here, look
1098
01:47:47,513 --> 01:47:49,992
- We're talking
- It's where my hand is
1099
01:47:50,192 --> 01:47:52,553
- You talk towards me
- Towards you?
1100
01:47:52,753 --> 01:47:56,553
Yes, we'll be talking
and we'll open the frame to the right
1101
01:47:57,753 --> 01:48:00,715
Okay, let's see if I can see anything
1102
01:48:01,154 --> 01:48:02,715
I have to
1103
01:48:03,234 --> 01:48:07,354
Put them away for a moment
I have to let my eyes adjust
1104
01:48:08,515 --> 01:48:09,835
I can see it
1105
01:48:10,035 --> 01:48:13,876
This wrinkle here has to go
It should be hidden
1106
01:48:14,075 --> 01:48:16,716
Okay, let's put the box
on the other side
1107
01:48:16,917 --> 01:48:18,916
So the wrinkles are hidden
1108
01:48:19,115 --> 01:48:22,116
I'll just go past
Let's move the cable over here
1109
01:48:22,317 --> 01:48:24,957
We'll do it differently, it's no problem
1110
01:48:25,997 --> 01:48:28,638
- As long as it looks good
- Exactly
1111
01:48:29,478 --> 01:48:31,438
- Careful
- Yes, exactly
1112
01:48:33,558 --> 01:48:35,838
- I'll bring the
- It's okay
1113
01:48:39,278 --> 01:48:42,119
It would be good
if the light came from there
1114
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:44,160
Sure, we can do that
1115
01:48:47,679 --> 01:48:51,320
Now the light is on the camera axis,
Mrs Riefenstahl
1116
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:53,401
Let me take that from you
1117
01:48:56,001 --> 01:48:57,281
That's about right
1118
01:49:01,442 --> 01:49:03,881
You can turn it
Just let it run
1119
01:49:04,481 --> 01:49:07,042
You can't block it out any more, can you?
1120
01:49:07,242 --> 01:49:09,082
The overhead lighting?
1121
01:49:12,843 --> 01:49:15,444
The overhead lighting can't be
1122
01:49:49,807 --> 01:49:54,768
Decades after filming "The Blue Light",
Riefenstahl returns to the waterfall
1123
01:49:59,169 --> 01:50:03,528
This is the last footage Horst Kettner
shoots with her in the mountains
1124
01:50:08,530 --> 01:50:11,370
It shows how she would like
to be remembered
1125
01:50:16,771 --> 01:50:19,331
And what she wants to be forgotten
1126
01:50:35,092 --> 01:50:38,854
- Riefenstahl speaking
~- I'll say it to you straight:$
1127
01:50:39,094 --> 01:50:43,894
~When I see all the fuss nowadays,
I ask myself:$
1128
01:50:44,094 --> 01:50:46,255
~Who is actually honest?$
1129
01:50:46,455 --> 01:50:51,295
~And who was ever more honest
than Leni Riefenstahl?$
1130
01:50:51,495 --> 01:50:54,215
~That little woman who portrayed$
1131
01:50:54,415 --> 01:50:58,536
~the most beautiful human beings
and not the cripples$
1132
01:50:58,736 --> 01:51:03,096
~She was condemned,
judged, and persecuted$
1133
01:51:04,097 --> 01:51:07,897
~That shows the rotten state
of this bloody country,$
1134
01:51:08,097 --> 01:51:10,257
~and that's why I condemn it$
1135
01:51:17,138 --> 01:51:20,378
~We need to have a certain detachment$
1136
01:51:20,578 --> 01:51:24,059
~- when it comes to today's chaotic times$
- Yes
1137
01:51:24,260 --> 01:51:28,980
~And one has to understand
that this chaos was inevitable$
1138
01:51:29,180 --> 01:51:33,380
~It won't take all that long,
but it will take one or two generations$
1139
01:51:33,580 --> 01:51:36,261
- Yes
~- And then we will return to morality,$
1140
01:51:36,461 --> 01:51:38,661
~decency, and virtue$
1141
01:51:38,861 --> 01:51:42,222
Yes, the German people
are predestined for that
91743
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