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# Oh, freak out!
Le freak, c'est chic... #
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The sound of disco was everywhere.
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It was huge.
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# Oh... #
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We made people realise
that they could be themselves.
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# Freak out! #
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It started in the underground,
and then it became mainstream.
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# Have you heard
about the new dance craze...? #
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Last night, 29 of the 43
Grammy Awards
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went to disco artists and songs.
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Just a further indication
of how disco fever
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has swept the country.
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# Surely can be done... #
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We have created a culture
that's unstoppable.
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Exercise classes work out
to the beat.
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The fashion industry has created
clothes to match the music.
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National magazines do cover stories
about it, and business has never
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been better for dancing instructors.
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Once it started happening,
a lot of people wanted
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to capitalise on that.
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Disco got bloated.
It also got rich.
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You had songs out there
that was powerful.
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Then you come with corny songs,
you kill the whole vibe
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of what disco was.
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In every successful thing, it has
the seeds of its own destruction.
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That was personal.
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Disco started with soul,
but totally lost it.
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This was, "We want the money,
so let's do this bullshit."
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Not going to work.
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# Oh, freak out! #
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The Beatles, 15 years ago, had five
tracks on the chart.
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They also had the number
one that week -
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I Want To Hold Your Hand.
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Our number one this week is,
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of course, Village People.
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# There's no need to feel
down, I said, young man... #
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You've brought the Australian
audiences very much great pleasure.
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I'd just like to walk back
and I'd like you to take
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a bow for us.
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# No need to be unhappy,
young man
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# There's a place you can go
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# I said, young man
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# When you're short on your dough
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# You can stay there
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# And I'm sure you will find many
ways... #
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What would you like to sing
if you would decide yourself?
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YMCA.
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Let's hear it. OK.
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The Village People were
a studio band.
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That means that they were
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a group of musicians picked
to record a song
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that a producer wanted to make.
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# It's fun to stay at the YMCA... #
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The answer with a record company
is if there's money in it,
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I'm interested.
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People wanted it, they made it.
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I want to present to you the record
producer who is responsible
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for creating the Village People.
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Here from France
is record producer Jacques Morali.
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I met Jacques Morali in New York
in the '70s.
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He came to me and he said,
"I had a dream about you.
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"I wanted to build this new group
that I have an idea
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"about around you.
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"I'll come get you and I'll make
you a star."
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And Jacques had put
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an ad into
the trades asking for young men
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with moustaches to come to see
if they wanted to be a part
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of this group.
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The Village People
was from Greenwich Village.
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It's always been a place in New York
for alternative lifestyle.
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But this was a disco group put
together for the mainstream.
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They took all of the stereotypes
within gay culture,
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the cowboy,
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the construction worker,
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the leather man,
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and presented it to the mainstream
in a very tongue-in-cheek way.
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The first album was basically
about gay life.
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When I wrote the second album,
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I had to broaden the spectrum
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of it because I wasn't gay.
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When I would write lyrics,
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it could be taken by any type
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of lifestyle, more than just one.
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I wanted to write it to where it
could be comfortable for gay people
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or it could be comfortable
for straight.
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They were a great group of guys
and they were a lot of fun.
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They brought energy to a room
or to an audience and they knew
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how to perform.
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# Where can you find pleasure
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# Search the world for treasure
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# Learn science, technology...? #
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Their songs are very repeatable
and singalong.
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In The Navy or YMCA
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was universally loved
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and universally flew under the radar
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and still does, weirdly.
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But everybody who got it
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kind of couldn't believe
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how popular it became.
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# In the Navy
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# Yes, you can sail the seven seas
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# In the Navy
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# Yes, you can put your mind at ease
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# In the Navy
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# Come on now, people,
make a stand
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# In the Navy, in the Navy... #
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And what are the audiences like?
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Is it as much fun
as what we're seeing here?
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Oh, yeah, everywhere. They just love
the music and the group.
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Everywhere we go,
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places where they don't even
speak English,
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people just react to the music
and to the energy.
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And we have the same reaction.
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The US Navy wanted to use
In The Navy as a recruitment tool.
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The agreement was they would allow
us to use one of their ships
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to shoot the video if we allowed
them to use the song.
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They gave us the destroyer
The Reasoner, and at the end of it,
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they gave us jets that flew over.
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And it just proved to me
that the US Navy didn't get
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that the group was filled with gay
stereotypes and that it was kind
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of a off-colour joke to a lot
of people.
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# In the Navy
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# Yes, you can sail
the seven seas... #
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So mainstream audiences
didn't realise
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that the guys behind the scene
probably couldn't have gotten
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into the Navy just because they were
out and they were gay.
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# Can't you see we need a hand?
In the Navy... #
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Not a lot of people understood.
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And I say "hooray" to that.
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It was quite a Trojan horse.
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# In the Navy... #
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Gold represents $1,000,000
worth of sales in albums,
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and platinum means that two
of your albums have sold
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a million albums!
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Think what a great corporate entity
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you particular freaks are, you know?
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Now you're establishment
and you're worth millions
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and zillions of dollars.
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The Village People!
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The Village People and YMCA
and Macho Man and all of those
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sorts of things,
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you know, that was great, but that
was literally for people in Kansas.
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Queer people of colour, you know,
we weren't listening
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to those kinds of records
in the clubs.
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This was a time when New York
was the clubbing capital
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of the world.
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The club culture was just wide open.
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There were no holds barred.
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You know, a lot of people
lived for nights at Studio 54
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or Paradise Garage.
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The Paradise Garage for a lot
of people was church.
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Paradise Garage was an old garage
that was converted into this dance
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space, and it had the ramp that
you'd walk up to.
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You could hear the bass
through the wall.
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Whoomm! It's like, wow.
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It was extremely loud
and the quality of the sound
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was really, really good.
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My friends and I, we used to come
with different outfits.
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We made those outfits for the night.
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They had nothing to do with fashion.
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We came up with a theme
and we'd dress like fantasy.
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A lot of people who came
there, that was their life.
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They would become a persona
that made them feel free.
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There were no clocks,
there were no windows.
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There were no mirrors.
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There was no alcohol.
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Hmmm. What could they have done
to stay awake...?!
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Could it have been drugs? Ohh!
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There was a smell of poppers
in the air.
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There was the smell of marijuana.
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And they say that the punch
was spiked with acid.
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Grace Jones, Mick Jagger,
Boy George, Michael Jackson -
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they would all come and hang out
at the Paradise Garage.
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Gay, straight. Any colour.
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It was mostly gay.
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Back in the day, the best
crowd WAS the gay crowd.
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Never any violence.
Never any arguments.
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Never any drama.
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It was quite a place.
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Then I started to hear
about Larry Levan,
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who was the DJ at Paradise Garage.
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Larry was always up front
and grand entrance.
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And I'm here.
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I'm queer. Get used to it.
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Larry and I were friends.
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And one afternoon Larry said to me,
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"Nicky, would you teach me
how to play records?"
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From that moment on,
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I would work
with him on mixing techniques,
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on how to beat match, how to pick
the next record.
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Immediately, I saw in Larry
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that eye for making stuff
become fabulous.
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# Have a good time... #
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No other clubs had a DJ like Larry
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who played the kind of music
Larry played,
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who made the decisions
that he made,
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who was as much in charge
of the night as Larry.
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He would be messing with the sound
system as people were coming
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into the club.
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That's how obsessed he was
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with making sure that the sound
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wrenched your guts out.
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He could do anything.
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Larry could stop a room cold
and people would just start,
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"Larry, Larry," just waiting for the
next thing that he was going to do.
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And he might just not do anything.
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He'd stop the music, get out
a ladder and clean the mirror ball
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at two o'clock in the morning with
1,000 people sitting on the floor.
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And then he'd take the ladder down,
shut the lights, put a record on,
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and the place would go crazy.
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Larry definitely controlled
the crowd.
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He had magic.
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He would remix, he would play
new things all the time.
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He would tell you stories.
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He got the idea of saying,
"Look, I want to play stuff
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"that I feel strongly about."
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You've got the trend of music
that you didn't hear no place else.
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It was incredible.
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Larry was way ahead of his time.
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The first DJ remixer,
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the first DJ producer,
the first DJ artist.
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He is the modern template
of what a DJ is now.
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Larry would often go into
the recording studio,
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see through all the excess tracks,
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and pull out the gold
that would make a hit.
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# Oh, baby... #
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Ain't No Mountain High is
what we call a "Garage classic".
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So if you've ever heard the record,
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it starts off with just
ta-da-da-da...
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..da-da-da-da...
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And then Jocelyn Brown sang...
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# Oooh, I ain't going nowhere... #
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What a great voice.
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# I'll be right here
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# As long as you want me, baby... #
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Ain't No Mountain High Enough
had been such a huge song
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back in the day, in the '60s.
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But Larry took risks.
He didn't care.
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He thought this was something
that he could turn into a signature
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piece for her.
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# Ain't no mountain high enough
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# Ain't no valley low enough... #
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Larry Levan allowed me to sing
it the way I sang it, and it allowed
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another generation of time
to come back around,
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but in a different manner.
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It might not have been number one,
but it was number one in a lot
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of people's heart.
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And that's what was major to me,
you know?
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# Cos, baby, there ain't no
mountain high enough... #
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Performing the song at the Garage
was one of the most major situations
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I've ever been involved in
in my life.
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Everybody was singing.
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It was fantastic,
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and I'm trying
to stay a good girl and not cry,
255
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because sometimes the way it musters
inside your soul
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about things that were touching on
that level
257
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because it's more spiritual
than anything else,
258
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it tore me up, and it still
tears me up.
259
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Fast Frankie Crocker at radio
station WMCA in New York
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reaches one of the biggest and
youngest audiences in the country.
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Every promoter wants his song
on Fast Frankie's show.
262
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Frankie Crocker from WBLS, number
one radio in New York City, would
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come to the Garage and steal things
from Larry or force him
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to give it to him. And then the next
day, you'd hear records
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on WBLS that were not going to come
out for six months
266
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and that suddenly everybody
267
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was crying to get a copy of
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and could not buy it
because it's not out.
269
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All these record companies
were like,
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"Get Larry this record!
Get Larry this record.
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"It'll be on the radio next week."
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The DJ had power in those days.
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Like, Larry's fame made
the Garage bigger,
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then the Garage itself got so big,
it made Larry's fame even bigger.
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And when I would go overseas
to work or visit other countries,
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they'd be, "The Garage,
the Garage, the Garage!"
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That's when I realised to myself,
I said, "Wow...
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"The Garage has infiltrated Europe
and in other countries.
279
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"This is incredible."
280
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I mean, it's just, really,
a simple little weekend club,
281
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but it became more than that.
282
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At that time in the '70s,
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there was this really beautiful
energy...and vibe.
284
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Corporations did come in.
285
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Record companies came in.
286
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Clothing companies came in
and capitalised on that.
287
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"We are part of this movement."
288
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"We are part of this dance culture."
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"We are here to make your life
beautiful."
290
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You know, figured out ways
to market it.
291
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Fun. That's disco. That's really
what it's all about.
292
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It's also all about money.
293
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It's got a lot to do with it.
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Big money.
295
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A lot of money.
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Record company business was
very much like the film business
297
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back then. The big hit
paid for the losers.
298
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And so, record companies really went
for the big hit.
299
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And the more you sold,
the more money you made.
300
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# I'm glad you're home
301
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# Now did you really miss me? #
302
00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,080
How innocent! My goodness.
303
00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,160
# ..you did by the look in your eye
In your eye
304
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# Look in your eye... #
305
00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,400
Was that Top Of The Pops?
306
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That just came to me!
307
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I was trying to... Top Of The Pops!
308
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That was a big show!
309
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# ..you and me can rock-a-bye
310
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# You can ring my bell
311
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# Ring my bell... #
312
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When I was younger, I never thought
about having a hit record.
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That never came to my mind at all.
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I graduated from college in '78
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with a degree in psychology because
I wanted to be a counsellor.
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After teaching for
about four months,
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Ring My Bell came out.
318
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It was a hit overnight.
319
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# You can ring my bell
320
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# Ring my bell
Ring my bell
321
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# Ding-dong-ding, ah! #
322
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I actually would have preferred
to have done more ballads
323
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and probably more R&B,
but everybody was doing disco.
324
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They didn't think
they were going to make it...
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..in life, if they didn't do
something disco!
326
00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,840
They really did not push that song.
327
00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,560
It was one of those songs
they didn't have to.
328
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The song was such a huge success.
329
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# Ring my, ring my, ring
330
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# You can ring my bell
331
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# You can ring my bell
332
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# Ding-dong-ding, ah!
333
00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,480
# Ring it!
334
00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,520
# You can ring my bell any time... #
335
00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,080
I was called a one-hit wonder,
336
00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,200
which, in the beginning,
when I was trying,
337
00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,120
I'm saying,
"Well, that's not very nice."
338
00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:03,080
# Ding-dong-ding, ah! #
339
00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,160
"You're a commodity.
That's what you are.
340
00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,720
"You're just the latest new car
that came out."
341
00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,080
But the song was in 14 movies.
342
00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:14,640
If that's the kind of
one-hit wonder...
343
00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,440
I don't think that's too bad.
344
00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,320
OK!
345
00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:19,680
# Ah! Ring it!
346
00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,600
# You can ring my bell
Any time, anywhere... #
347
00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:28,200
They weren't seen as artists,
per se.
348
00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,280
They were seen by the
record company owners
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as vehicles for the producers,
350
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which was a very,
very different thing.
351
00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,520
# You can ring my bell
Any time, anywhere... #
352
00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,000
Most of the one-hit wonders
were on independent labels.
353
00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,320
Independent labels were always
looking for the next hit.
354
00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,480
They weren't looking
to develop the artists.
355
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,960
Did you get a chance to listen
to that Tuxedo Junction,
356
00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,600
Chattanooga Choo Choo single?
357
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,640
Chances are you haven't
heard about Butterfly Records.
358
00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,800
Well, it was put together last
summer, mostly with borrowed money.
359
00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,040
Since then, they've put out
five albums, four of them disco.
360
00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,840
All they wanted to know was,
what songs do people want?
361
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,360
And we did a lot of music testing
as to which songs people liked,
362
00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:15,800
and there was kind of a
universal like for the same songs.
363
00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,560
So they looked for more artists
who sounded like that.
364
00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,600
And that's always
the route to mediocrity.
365
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,840
It's like making
multiple copies of something -
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00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,480
eventually, they start to fade.
367
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,760
The popularity of disco can be seen
right here in Billboard,
368
00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,760
which is the Bible of the music
industry.
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00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,800
In its chart of the 100 top hits
across the country today,
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at least 50 of them
are disco recordings.
371
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,440
That's what the record labels do.
372
00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,120
They didn't understand
what was going on half the time.
373
00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:50,720
They oversaturated a market
that was...that couldn't absorb it.
374
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,240
Everything became disco,
disco, disco.
375
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,120
So much money to be made
from the business of disco.
376
00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:00,680
Now the sales are going
to substantially increase.
377
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:07,200
They had commercialised it
so massively
378
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,840
that every record was sounding
exactly the same.
379
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:16,680
And I no longer had interest in
words that said,
380
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,600
"Shake your booty,"
or, "Get up and disco dance."
381
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,400
I didn't want to hear about it.
382
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,360
I thought,
"This is turning into a shitshow."
383
00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:29,480
# ..to a party the other night...
384
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,440
# All the ladies were treating me
right... #
385
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,200
There was novelty songs,
386
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,680
and I think that's what people
387
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,160
were starting to get upset about.
388
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,600
You took away...
like, the feeling of what disco was.
389
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:46,040
# Disco, disco duck... #
390
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,360
# Disco, disco duck... #
391
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:54,680
You had garbage cash-grab music
coming out of
392
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,400
garbage cash-grab record labels.
393
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,240
# Disco duck... #
394
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,280
All right!
395
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,800
I really hated it...
396
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,040
It was just so corny to me,
you know, like...
397
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,160
# Disco, disco duck... #
398
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,440
There were some goofy disco songs.
399
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,720
# When the music stopped
I returned to my seat
400
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,680
# But there's no stoppin' a duck
and his beat... #
401
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,800
Artists could not get
their music out!
402
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:28,160
You put out a record and you were
just a regular ballad singer
403
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,760
or a regular folk singer,
country singer.
404
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,120
You couldn't get your music out!
405
00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:34,920
People wouldn't listen
to your music.
406
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,200
They were too busy disco-ing,
you know?
407
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,920
So...
408
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,800
It had a real impact
on the music industry.
409
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,160
It was too much.
I think people were sick of it.
410
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,840
I think if...if you're going to
oversaturate...
411
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,320
..the culture with a sound to that
degree,
412
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,840
people are going to turn on it.
413
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,720
The fact that rock and roll was
414
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,920
overtaken, for a while, by disco
415
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,920
to a lot of people in the country
416
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,560
had a really negative effect.
417
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:14,840
People saw disco as a threat to a
hegemony that white straight people
418
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,760
had had for the better part of
a decade, decade and a half.
419
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,400
And so, I think there was
a racial backlash because so many
420
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,640
of the disco stars,
like Donna Summer,
421
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,680
Gloria Gaynor, were black
422
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,360
and they were huge, huge stars.
423
00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:35,560
And I don't think that white
rock-and-roll America
424
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,680
was really ready for that
in the '70s.
425
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:46,160
Eventually, there became a lot of
negative backlash.
426
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,280
Like, "You sold me a record
with a disco banner
427
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,080
"that was absolute crap."
428
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:55,080
"My girlfriend went out again with
those fucking gay guys
429
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,960
"to go out dancing
instead of being home with me!"
430
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:03,200
And then you had Studio 54 turning
away about 1,000 people a night.
431
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,640
It's three in the morning
in Manhattan and still,
432
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,280
at Studio 54, people crowd the doors
hoping to get in.
433
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,080
But first they have to do
something even harder
434
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,520
than finding a place to park here,
and that's to win the approval
435
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,320
of the owner, 28-year-old
Steve Rubell.
436
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,880
Oh, you're not shaved.
There's no way
437
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,160
any of you guys are going to get in.
438
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,760
It doesn't matter, if you're not
shaven. Listen, just go home.
439
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,320
So every night, almost,
the news cameras were there
440
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,360
showing people being turned away,
441
00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:37,120
showing people being turned
into losers,
442
00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:40,880
showing people being turned
into unworthy.
443
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,200
Now, this is a country that had
just, ten years earlier,
444
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,600
gone through a period of
massive inclusion where, you know,
445
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,440
racial walls were torn down
for the first time in a century,
446
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,840
everyone wanted to "kumbaya",
love their brother and sister
447
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,200
and sing in a circle.
448
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,440
And then, all of a sudden, the news
cameras all over the country
449
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,560
show people being excluded.
450
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,040
I was really not a fan of disco.
451
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,640
I was definitely more in
the rock category.
452
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,960
The Studio 54 image was terrible
among rock listeners
453
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,640
because you couldn't get in
unless you looked the right way
454
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,880
or acted the right way or just had
that we'll-let-you-in look.
455
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:32,040
America in general saw New York City
as being this very decadent,
456
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,440
wild, drug-taking,
457
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,480
everybody-sleeping-with-everybody-
else kind of place.
458
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:48,040
There was already in America a move
to turn the stations that were disco
459
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,240
back to a rock format.
460
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,400
Well, now, where're you folks
going with all that disco?
461
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,960
Uh, here, Oregon.
462
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,160
Here in Oregon, we like rock and
roll, nice and pure, KGON style.
463
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,680
You don't want to be bringing that
unnatural music up here now, do you?
464
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:17,880
So you had a lot of stations doing
things like disco demolitions.
465
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,280
# How deep is your
love? How deep is your love?
466
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,000
# I really need to know. #
467
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,040
Gimme a kiss.
468
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:35,840
There was a radio station
in Chicago in 1979, and the morning
469
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,160
disc jockey, a guy named Steve Dahl,
came up with the idea of, well,
470
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,720
let's blow up disco records
on the air.
471
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,120
So he'd play a few bars of
a Bee Gees song and then, boom,
472
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:47,400
blow it up.
473
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,360
And listeners loved it because
it was like somebody standing
474
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:53,200
up for rock and roll in the face
of this disco menace.
475
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,000
And that's when stations in other
markets started copying
476
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,880
the disco demolition idea.
477
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,800
Kaboom. Kaboom.
478
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,040
I think we'd better do it.
479
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,760
Not this record! Not this record!
Not this record!
480
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,040
Aaaah!
481
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,360
I think it came to a head
at Comiskey Park.
482
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,920
Let's go to the videotape.
Let's pick it up right here.
483
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,720
Comiskey Park, July 12th, 1979.
484
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:32,280
It was billed as Teen Night
at Comiskey Park for the twi-night
485
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,640
double-header between the Chicago
White Sox and the Detroit Tigers.
486
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,920
The feature attraction was
a Disco Demolition between games.
487
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,240
Local radio morning man
Steve Dahl was the catalyst.
488
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,160
He is anti disco.
489
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,960
Tickets were 99 cents,
which is really, really cheap.
490
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,720
So it was packed.
491
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,240
People brought their kids.
Everybody was there.
492
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,600
Why? 99-cent tickets.
493
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,680
Hard to beat, double-header.
Two games.
494
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,200
It's the best bargain in the world.
495
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,360
Chicago's a very segregated city.
496
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,400
90% of black people prefer
the White Sox.
497
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,560
The Cubs are more North Side
and have a lot more white fans.
498
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,440
Between games, Dahl was to lead
the crowd in song and chants
499
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,160
and then finish by blowing
up a box full of disco records,
500
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,440
which the fans were to bring
with them to the ballpark.
501
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,520
So you had all these white people
coming to a White Sox game to blow
502
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,000
up disco records.
503
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,360
They were really pushing it,
504
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,000
blowing up black people's records
on the South Side.
505
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,600
People were just taking an album
they didn't like and throwing it in.
506
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,960
They weren't throwing
anything they wanted in there,
507
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,400
because they just wanted
to see something blow up.
508
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,640
Steve Dahl goes out in Comiskey Park
509
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,720
in a Jeep and he's in full military
gear.
510
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,760
Morning radio was theatre.
511
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,480
Everyone knew that.
512
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,840
They knew it wasn't real,
but they all wanted to play along.
513
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,160
The listeners did.
514
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,920
There was a countdown on the
scoreboard, ten, nine, eight,
515
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,360
seven...boom...
516
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,240
..and the records blow up.
517
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,640
But it didn't stop there.
518
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,680
Dahl departed the field, but some
7,000 to 10,000 fans poured onto
519
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,080
the field, ripping up bases, setting
bonfires in centrefield and burning
520
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,480
more disco records, and ultimately
delaying game two for over
521
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,720
an hour-and-a-half.
522
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,240
The crowd was too big, the crowd got
too crazy, and they had to cancel
523
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,520
the game, which, by the way,
to this day in Chicago
524
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,080
was the great crime there -
525
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,720
was cancelling the second
game of the double-header.
526
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,880
You know, the people might have got
hurt or whatever.
527
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,240
"Oh, yeah.
But they cancelled the game."
528
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,800
I remember seeing it on television.
529
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,880
There was rioting involved
and that kind of thing.
530
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:04,680
I didn't see any rioting
on the South Side, but it was a lot
531
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,680
of outrage about it.
532
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,320
It was an amazing promotion, one
of the greatest promotions probably
533
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,080
in the history of radio.
534
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,960
It's kind of like Woodstock.
Everybody was there.
535
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,000
Of course they weren't.
They say they were.
536
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,960
And it was either the greatest
moment in rock and roll
537
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,840
or just evil, like burning books.
538
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,040
It depends who you talk to.
539
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,600
But at the time, it was
sort of the perfect storm.
540
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,240
The Christian right, or the
Bible-thumping people, were like,
541
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,040
"Nnnng," trying to press it down
as it was coming up
542
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,080
and the record companies
were pushing it.
543
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,840
And the crushing and the destruction
of disco, I think, was not aimed
544
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,160
at the singers and everything.
545
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,920
I think it was aimed
at the record companies.
546
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,280
But, of course, the singers
are the ones that get hurt.
547
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,160
No-one was ringing my bell any more
to check to see could I come
548
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,520
to a show. That wasn't happening.
549
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,920
And so I did go back to teaching.
550
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,560
I hate disco because I can't find a
white three-piece suit that fits me
551
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,120
off the rack that hangs well,
and I'm allergic to gold jewellery
552
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,760
and I don't like pina coladas.
I'm allergic to coconut.
553
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,520
So what does it hold for me?
554
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,120
Probably nothing.
555
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,040
Nothing.
556
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,240
I was so mad at him.
557
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,120
What is wrong with you?
Come burning all our disco records?
558
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,960
Shame on you, Steve.
559
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,840
What are you burning?
560
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,120
What the hell are you burning?
561
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:41,120
A song that you gave the label to
as disco. The singer didn't.
562
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,480
You put the name on it
and now you want to crush it?
563
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,560
Black, anti-gay was never
a factor in the creation
564
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:49,880
of the anti-disco movement.
565
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,800
It just never crossed our minds.
566
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,360
If anything, it was a musical thing.
567
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,040
Rock and roll was about guitars.
568
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,680
Disco wasn't.
569
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,440
Rock and roll was about, you know,
drummers. Disco had electronics.
570
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,160
Rock and roll, long hair, T-shirts,
grabbing a beer
571
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,560
and disco was about champagne.
572
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,800
And so just so many cultural
and musical factors
573
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,000
that really drove the whole
thing rather than racial
574
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,400
or sexual matters.
575
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,640
They just bought a black
person's record to blow up.
576
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,840
They didn't know
whether it was disco or not.
577
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,280
They just said,
"Disco sucks, disco sucks."
578
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,560
They didn't know
what they were blowing up.
579
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,960
So that's the racial edge of it.
580
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,520
Disco stations
all ran for their lives.
581
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,840
The musicians who were making
that music were shifting
582
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,080
to something else.
583
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,000
You didn't have another
hit disco movie.
584
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,280
It was kind of end of an era.
585
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:55,200
Someone came up to me in '79
at the DJ booth and said, "Nicky,
586
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,080
"they're saying disco is dead.
587
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,240
"What do you think?"
588
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,600
I said, "It's pretty much dead."
589
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,320
Scientists at the National Centers
for Disease Control in Atlanta today
590
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,880
released the results of a study
which shows that the lifestyle
591
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,200
of some male homosexuals
has triggered an epidemic of a rare
592
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,560
form of cancer.
593
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,760
Robert Bazell now in Atlanta.
594
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,680
It was happening in San
Francisco and California,
595
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,280
and then it started to hit New York.
596
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,800
They were talking about this
gay cancer and how friends
597
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,760
of theirs had it and how friends
of theirs were dying.
598
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,040
This suggested to Dr Dritz
and her colleagues at the Centers
599
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,200
for Disease Control that their
worst-case scenario was the answer -
600
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,560
a new and lethal infectious agent.
601
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,360
A virus was loose
in the gay community.
602
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,400
I was scared to death.
603
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,000
We didn't know how it was spread
or...
604
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,880
..whether it was really going
605
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,200
to be fatal for everybody.
606
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,000
It was a horrific time.
607
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,800
There is a one-in-five chance
a victim will die
608
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,760
within the first year of
the illness.
609
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,560
We quickly learned that
having a diagnosis of Aids meant
610
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,480
you had two years to live.
611
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,560
In the past six months,
the number of people who have come
612
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,840
down with Aids has nearly doubled.
613
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,440
The vast majority of those people
will eventually die.
614
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,200
So as the numbers increase,
so does something else -
615
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,720
and that is fear.
616
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,000
Gays became stigmatised
because of it.
617
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,800
People who would go out to clubs
at night didn't necessarily
618
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,200
want to go out to clubs
because at that point in time,
619
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,080
you didn't know
how you contracted Aids.
620
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,600
It was scary shit because people
who you've known for decades
621
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,760
all of a sudden, you know,
were gone.
622
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,640
I lost two partners from Aids.
623
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,000
So...
624
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,560
So many people disappeared.
625
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,400
It's like coming back from a war.
626
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,520
Seeing people like,
"Oh, you made it out."
627
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,520
And I'm serious,
you made it out of a war.
628
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,000
During that period, I lost friends.
629
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,360
I lost my business partner to that.
630
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,680
You know, my business partner,
he was my partner from
631
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,080
New York with me.
632
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,480
And I was scared to even go
over to his house or touch him,
633
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,320
you know, and he was like, "Why are
you acting funny?" You know?
634
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,480
But that was because of my ignorance
to the disease, you know,
635
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,080
I didn't exactly know what was
going on and where it came from.
636
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,760
It was, like, overwhelming.
637
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,760
Three years ago,
I was just one of the guys.
638
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,840
I was one of the people
in the crowds.
639
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,960
And then this diagnosis came
along and all of a sudden
640
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:21,880
I was stereotyped as a fast-lane
liver, as the sick person
641
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,840
that was going to bring contagion
to the rest of the world.
642
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,240
What was awful about it was
the ostracism, the incomprehension
643
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:35,800
and the total lack of any empathy
whatsoever
644
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,800
from the general US population.
645
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,000
"Yeah, you're gay, you deserve it,"
or whatever.
646
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,480
You know, "Good riddance."
647
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,440
It was just bad in every way.
648
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:53,320
There was never a moment the Garage
looked emptier, but you'd notice one
649
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,680
person not in that group,
and you would say, "Where is he?"
650
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,480
And they would look at you sad,
and you knew he's either very sick
651
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,720
or he died.
652
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:09,440
And that would start to happen once
a month, twice a month, three times
653
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,840
a month, two different groups
in a month.
654
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,400
It was happening more and more.
655
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,600
Most of my friends
have died of Aids.
656
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:27,200
David Rodriguez, one of the greatest
people - funny, DJ -
657
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,960
was the first person I knew
close to me died of Aids.
658
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,920
Walter Gibbons,
fabulous DJ, died of Aids.
659
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,360
Michael Brody, the owner
of the Paradise Garage.
660
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:48,320
Steve Rubell, the builder
and owner of Studio 54.
661
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,640
The list goes on and on of talented,
artistic people
662
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,280
who were lost to Aids.
663
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:01,080
It got so bad that I started,
like, a notebook and I would write
664
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,600
somebody's name on it and then put
down my personal thoughts
665
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,120
about that person
so I wouldn't forget them.
666
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,880
It got really overwhelming.
667
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,360
That was a huge part of what changed
668
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,040
the club culture during that time,
669
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,760
and that's about the time
that Ronald Reagan came into power.
670
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,200
I consider the trust that
you have placed in me sacred.
671
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,600
And I give you my sacred oath
that I will do my utmost
672
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,240
to justify your faith.
673
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,280
It was like we needed somebody
strong. It was right after Carter.
674
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,640
I mean, he was the cowboy
that fought the Indians.
675
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,360
He was strong in his image.
676
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,720
One of the worst days of my life was
watching Ronald Reagan get elected.
677
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:50,480
I knew how bad it was going to be.
678
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,360
Angry demonstrators
managed to close down
679
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,040
the Food and Drug Administration
today.
680
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,040
They accused the agency
under President Reagan of wasting
681
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,320
time in the war against Aids.
682
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,760
For some of the protesters,
time is a precious commodity.
683
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,720
Storm the NIH!
Storm the NIH!
684
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,640
The Government was not
very concerned about Aids
685
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,800
because it was affecting
a population that they didn't want
686
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:15,840
to talk about.
687
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,400
Seize control of the FDA!
52 will die today!
688
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,040
Ronald Reagan was hoisted in effigy
this morning as hundreds of Aids
689
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,840
activists descended on
the Food and Drug Administration.
690
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,680
The demand - that the FDA speed
up approval of drugs that show
691
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,520
any promise against Aids.
692
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,120
Seize control of the FDA!
693
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,880
Ronald Reagan wouldn't close
the blood banks, and blood
694
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:43,360
was being transfused, and straights
then started getting HIV and Aids,
695
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,840
and it all fell on Reagan
as being anti-gay and everything.
696
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,560
What do we want? Money for
Aids. When do we want it? Now.
697
00:38:55,720 --> 00:39:00,080
I remember where I was when Ronald
Reagan first said the word Aids.
698
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,080
That was a very historic moment.
699
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:08,400
We'll not stop, we'll not rest,
until we've sent Aids the way of
700
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,000
smallpox and polio.
701
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:20,560
I'm not sure how much the disco
world came back after the Aids
702
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,040
crisis began to dissipate.
703
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,560
I don't think it did.
704
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,960
Sex is the other major way
to transmit Aids.
705
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,440
Bathhouses and nightclubs
that cater to casual sex
706
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,840
are going out of business.
707
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,600
Casual sex has become
a fearful thing.
708
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,560
The hardcore disco life
in Manhattan changed.
709
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,200
Kind of felt a little frivolous
going out to dance
710
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,520
when, you know, so many people who
used to be there with you
711
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,880
are no longer there.
712
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:59,280
But unless you want to sit home
and dwell on yourself
713
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,160
and be miserable,
people had to live, you know,
714
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,920
you just keep it moving.
715
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,200
As we all know, the music industry
is always on the lookout
716
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,880
for new million-sellers.
717
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,000
I went to America to look at
the latest sound to make an impact
718
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,440
on the charts, which has its origins
in Chicago's black gay scene.
719
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,440
You can't stop creativity.
720
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:40,880
Yeah, you got rid of the disco.
721
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,160
Now, wait till you see
what's coming next!
722
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,680
We, as poor and moderate-income
people, cannot afford condominiums.
723
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,360
But we need some place to live.
724
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,120
We want to stay in the city,
where transportation is.
725
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,240
Chicago was an interesting place
because you had the migration
726
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:15,560
of the South, you know, people
that came up from Mississippi
727
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,160
and that kind of thing or, you know,
came from west, you know, Kansas.
728
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,480
Like, my folks are from Kansas.
729
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,040
But the city
is more industrialised.
730
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,560
There's more opportunities,
you know, to not be busting
731
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,840
your hands out with cotton
and breaking your back in the sun
732
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,640
and this kind of thing, you know.
733
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:36,160
So, a combination of factory work,
bartending, you know, whatever.
734
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,640
Also, let's be clear, there was just
a big budding scene, if you will,
735
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,600
that was happening on the
underground outside of the factory.
736
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,800
You know, you could be a musician.
737
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,280
What happened in Chicago
is what African-Americans do.
738
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:55,120
We take the scraps off the table
and we turn them into something
739
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,920
high cuisine, if you will.
740
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,760
And that's exactly what
house music is.
741
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,920
Oh, that's a nice tight kick.
742
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,200
A house record is the coolest
743
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,200
underground dance music.
744
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,120
So I have the four on the floor
right now.
745
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,440
Next, I select another instrument.
746
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,440
I'm going to select
the snare drum now.
747
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,480
OK.
748
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:33,640
A house record is anything that Ron
Hardy, David Mancuso, Larry Levan
749
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,800
or Frankie Knuckles would
have played at their clubs.
750
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,120
Next, I'll bring in
a closed hi-hat.
751
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,440
Frankie Knuckles is considered
the godfather of house.
752
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,720
And so if you know anything
about early house music,
753
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:55,680
it was basically disco breaks
in R&B songs, and Frankie Knuckles
754
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,640
used to play a lot of things
on reel-to-reel,
755
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,320
and he had early drum machines.
756
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,040
And so he was using these drum
machines and these disco break
757
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,880
loops, and he was creating
this new genre of music
758
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,360
without anyone really knowing it.
759
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,600
Frankie worked at the Warehouse,
and house music,
760
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,520
the term house music,
came from the Warehouse.
761
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,000
Then later it became synonymous
with a style or genre
762
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,000
that was being created
out of Chicago producers
763
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,000
that were influenced by the music
that Frankie was playing.
764
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,040
House music was disco's revenge.
765
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,800
The very parts of disco
that were lost, the parts of black
766
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,680
and brown creativity,
its queerness,
767
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,760
its ways that disco was part of
a soundtrack of exploration
768
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,560
before its whitewashing,
769
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,400
house music kind of picked that up
and ran off with it.
770
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,840
And there you have
your basic house beat.
771
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,360
Now you can bring in different stuff
after that.
772
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,360
Bring in claps
773
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,200
and other instruments.
774
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,400
That's house music.
775
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,240
Underground, cool dance.
776
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,280
Oh, man, I might put this track out.
777
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,400
Listen to the crescendo.
778
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,320
When the disco sucks movement came,
all the budgets got cut.
779
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,200
You know, strings were such
a big part of disco music
780
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,720
in the '70s, and suddenly there was
no money for them any more.
781
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:37,560
But I think those cut budgets
made people have to become
782
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,840
more innovative with the sound.
783
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,080
Back in the day, obviously, the,
you know, the four on the floor,
784
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,800
you know, boom, boom, boom, boom,
785
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,520
it might have been a drum machine
and one keyboard or, you know,
786
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,280
one turntable.
787
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,880
Whatever you could
kind of get your hands on.
788
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,280
We're talking about teenagers.
789
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,600
We're talking about people
that don't have money trying
790
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,520
to figure out how to express
themselves with this equipment.
791
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,240
It was unique. It was different.
792
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:07,200
It was fresh off the block.
793
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,040
Sort of in the same way that
hip-hop grew out of the physical
794
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,640
disinvestment in the black and brown
communities in New York,
795
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:23,920
house music also grew out of
these neglected spaces and became
796
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,680
spaces of community and creativity,
and also entrepreneurship.
797
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,240
I didn't go to Chicago to open a
club, but when we saw this
798
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:39,520
little Art Deco building,
which was 206 South Jefferson,
799
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,680
and I was like,
800
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,720
"Oh, that's
a cute building. It's for rent."
801
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:44,400
We ended up getting it.
802
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:49,360
The Warehouse was primarily a gay
803
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,200
club with African-American members,
804
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:56,760
though other folks came as well,
and it was a place where you could
805
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,040
go and dance, and feel safe.
806
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,320
I asked Larry Levan, "Would
you come out and look at the club
807
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,120
"and possibly think about
playing for me?"
808
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,360
And he replied with, "No, Robert.
809
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,280
"The way you talked about Chicago
the last time you were there."
810
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,680
I was like, "Oh, darn."
811
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,840
The only person I thought
was Frankie.
812
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:26,520
That was Frankie's entree to
Chicago, was when Larry said no.
813
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,160
Your Love
by Jamie Principle
& Frankie Knuckles
814
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,080
I didn't get drawn into the whole
culture until I met Frankie.
815
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,400
I wanted to do something
a little bit different.
816
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,920
I didn't want to be, like, the norm.
817
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,880
# When I'm with you I believe
818
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,880
# That your love is true
819
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,840
# When we love you turn me out
820
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,840
# You know what to do... #
821
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,960
How do I feel about being the first
house vocalist?
822
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,560
I didn't know I was going
to be the figurehead
823
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,840
of that, because I look at myself,
I sing all right, but I've heard
824
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,600
other singers and they do great.
825
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,120
Maybe I was the first person
that people gravitated
826
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,800
towards that they could actually see
and feel connected with.
827
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,680
# I begin to sweat
828
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,000
# When we touch I lose control
829
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,720
# Now you know what's next
830
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:26,040
# Fantasising all the time... #
831
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,800
His sound was ethereal.
832
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,400
It's got, like, somewhat of
a rock drum line.
833
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,440
I mean, it's real basic,
you know what I'm saying?
834
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,600
But the strings and the bass line
and then his vocals -
835
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,680
it was something else.
836
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,400
# Well, I need your love
837
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,240
# I need your love... #
838
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:48,440
It's a formula that Jamie
put together that I don't think
839
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:49,920
people really understand.
840
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,760
It's very simple, but very powerful.
841
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,480
# Don't make me wait too long... #
842
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,600
Your Love was actually
a three-minute song,
843
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,840
but Frankie wanted it to have a
certain feel in his club, so he said
844
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,920
he was going to strip certain parts
down and bring in certain things.
845
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,600
He wanted it to build.
846
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,680
So it was mostly an arrangement
thing, but all of the writing
847
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,280
and playing is me.
848
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:28,920
Frankie Knuckles would do a mix tape
and give one copy to someone.
849
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,960
And from that copy there would be,
like, 10,000 other copies!
850
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,200
That was our version of going viral.
851
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,760
That's what the DJ is doing,
is actually taking the music
852
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,040
and presenting it to the people,
and that's how a lot of records got
853
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,640
introduced to the public.
854
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,080
I didn't know how, like, popular
the song was.
855
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,080
But there was a traffic
jam on a Saturday.
856
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,280
Me and my boy was in the car,
and he was like,
857
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,520
"That's your song playing."
858
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,840
And it was jumping from one car
to another car to another car,
859
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,440
and we were, like, stuck in traffic.
He was like, "You should tell
them that's your song."
860
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,480
I was like, "Really? You think
they're going to believe
that that's me?"
861
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,600
But I was hearing Your Love
and all of the songs,
862
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,280
like, being played at the same time.
863
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,920
That's when I kind of, like, figured
how widespread it was becoming.
864
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,120
Crocodile Rock
by Elton John
865
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,400
# I remember when rock was young
866
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,280
# Me and Susie had so much fun
867
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,000
# Holding hands... #
868
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,320
I just love piano because of
Elton John.
869
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,120
It sounded like he came
straight out of the church, right?
870
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,440
Elton John had so much soul
in the '70s,
871
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,880
they had to put him on Soul Train.
872
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,200
It really affected my music-making.
873
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,800
That's where the house piano
came from.
874
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:08,200
Marshall's a smart man and he came
up with something, you know,
875
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,720
that changed the pulse.
876
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:15,560
At that time, there was nothing
even remotely resembling
877
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,160
piano in house music.
878
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,680
I was at work on a letter-sorting
machine, and a song came to me.
879
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,960
You would type in the postcodes
on the keys
880
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,600
midnight to 8:30am every night.
881
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,400
The graveyard shift.
882
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,920
It was as boring as it sounds.
883
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:39,640
I'm hearing music
cos I'm making music now.
884
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:40,960
"Oh, this is a cut."
885
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,600
# Gotta have house music
886
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,240
# All night long... #
887
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:50,040
# Give me that house music
to set me free
888
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,480
# Lost in house music
is where I wanna be. #
889
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,360
And that's it. Four lines.
890
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,080
Trick was getting home
and recording it before I forgot it.
891
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,320
I have this thing called
a Yamaha QX1,
892
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,880
two keyboards,
893
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,880
a Prophet 2000, a Roland JX-8P,
894
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,840
a drum machine, 707. That's it.
895
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,720
The entire session, recording
and mixing, took about two hours
896
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:20,840
and we were gone for the day.
897
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,480
# Rock your body
Rock your body
898
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,120
# It's gonna set you free... #
899
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,600
I still hadn't been asleep yet.
900
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,360
I said, "I've got to give it to
Ron Hardy at the Music Box."
901
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,840
Ron Hardy listens to it.
902
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,200
Plays it six times in a row.
903
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,400
Everybody, "Aaaaah!"
904
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,560
And that's been the default
response ever
905
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,160
since for the following
30-plus years.
906
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,240
# Move your body
907
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:53,720
# Sexy body. #
908
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:57,400
Very underground. It was different.
909
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:58,800
There was nothing like it.
910
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,080
This freedom of expression certainly
seems to be selling house records.
911
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,200
But is it a passing fad?
912
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,480
No.
913
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,640
It's like... It's reminiscent
of the old disco.
914
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,040
It's the kind of music that is just
simple music that's exciting
915
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,120
and gets people moving.
916
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,160
And that's why it's going
to be around for a while.
917
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,120
And it will become classic music,
classic disco music,
918
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,080
because it has an energy of its own.
919
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:35,200
Probably April or May of 1986
is when it started really blowing
920
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,800
up and leaving the city.
921
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,480
And that's because all these
magazines flew to Chicago
922
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,760
and started interviewing me.
923
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,800
They started interviewing
everybody else
924
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,320
that had something to do
with house music.
925
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:53,960
All of us just got record deals
and with major labels.
926
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:58,040
And that's when it really
started blowing up.
927
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,160
House music started becoming
the big thing.
928
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,160
But Larry hated the word house
because we played house music
929
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,800
that came out of Chicago,
that came out of the Warehouse,
930
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,040
and then suddenly all kind of dance
music, because the word house
931
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,120
was cute, was put under the umbrella
of house.
932
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:22,600
So if that means EDM, that means
Afro house, that means tech house...
933
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,800
There was Latin house,
there was soul house...
934
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,000
..Nu-disco. That means hip house.
935
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,480
..my house, there was your house,
there was Aunt Ethel's house.
936
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,200
You have this whole alternative
937
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,320
expression where people
938
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,760
were marrying punk and disco
939
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,760
and new wave.
940
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,200
It was just a wildly, wildly
creative time.
941
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,360
Disco didn't go away.
Just the name went away.
942
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,360
The beat, the rhythm,
the sounds of disco carried on.
943
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,720
Everybody stands on
somebody's shoulders.
944
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:55,360
Let's be very clear.
945
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,240
Hell, talk about hip-hop.
946
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:59,360
I used to be into disco rap.
947
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:00,960
That's how I got started.
948
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,240
Later '80s, early '90s,
949
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:07,320
here comes rave culture.
950
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:12,560
The scene is now being taken
over by this new crop of people.
951
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,080
It turned into another whole thing.
952
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,280
Now the story is being rewritten
a bit.
953
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:26,160
But if you take all the music today,
every genre of electronic music owes
954
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,840
everything to disco.
955
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,640
If it wasn't for Mancuso,
or if it wasn't for Siano,
956
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,520
if it wasn't for Levan
and Francois, and those DJs
957
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,720
that first went in the studio
and mixed records and made hits,
958
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:45,160
all these big DJs nowadays
that really produce music and travel
959
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,640
the world and make millions
of dollars wouldn't happen.
960
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,560
Never in a million years
would have thought that my world
961
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,040
would have the impact of
how it is now.
962
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,200
Today, disco has a real resurgence.
963
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,520
People love to dance.
964
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,040
You know, we're all going out
and we're all dancing to a variation
965
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,360
of what disco was.
966
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,640
It just always evokes something
in you somehow.
967
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,440
There's a lot of new artists
that are coming
968
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,760
through that are still carrying
that torch.
969
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,880
Like Bruno Mars.
970
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,760
And Madonna continues to do
it in different ways as well.
971
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:40,240
Rihanna and Beyonce, they are making
this same type of music
972
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:42,240
we were making back in the '70s.
973
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:45,000
Different lyrics, same beat.
974
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,200
Beyonce is doing a great job
at saying
975
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,760
remember the Loleatta Holloways,
976
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,760
remember the Anita Wards,
977
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,280
remember the Sisters Sledges.
978
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,880
It's their voices that you dance to.
979
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,400
Dance floors do what religions
and governments do not.
980
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,680
They bring people together
from all walks of life.
981
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,000
As a trans woman of colour
this is where I found home.
982
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,800
This is where I found my community.
983
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,960
And I was celebrated for who I was.
984
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,600
# I think I deserve
to be choosy... #
985
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,360
Everything that we do now as queer
people living freely, being able
986
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,120
to live our truth,
987
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,120
has come from the people
at Stonewall,
988
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,080
fighting for their right to just be.
989
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,920
Today, the mainstream culture
has sort of caught
990
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:48,720
up to what happened back
in the '70s in New York.
991
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:51,480
The consciousness that, like,
OK, we're all here together
992
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,560
and we're all having fun.
It's all OK.
993
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,840
That person is definitely different
than me, but that's OK.
994
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,560
They're cool, you know?
995
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,800
That's what's so nice about it.
996
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:10,480
Disco's legacy is there to teach,
educate, inspire, elevate.
997
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,080
And I think a dance floor
that's playing disco is always
998
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:18,040
going to be a generous, joyful
and liberating space,
999
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,480
a safe space, a fun space.
1000
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,600
It must be protected at all costs.
1001
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,960
The future of disco is more disco.
1002
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:34,360
Don't Leave Me This Way
by Thelma Houston
1003
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,880
I'm very thankful for
the forefathers.
1004
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,760
I'm very thankful for the kings and
queens and everything in between.
1005
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,880
Let's continue the legacy
of great dance music made
1006
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,680
by queer people -
1007
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,280
for, by, with, all of those things.
1008
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:58,720
Thank you to everyone for having me,
for doing this, for making a record
1009
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:03,520
of times gone by, because it's so
important that people know this.
1010
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,720
This is history. I thank you.
1011
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,400
# Don't leave me this way... #
1012
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:10,920
Bye.
1013
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,240
# I can't survive
1014
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:19,080
# I can't stay alive
without your love
1015
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:20,680
# Oh, baby
1016
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,680
# Don't leave me this way
1017
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,240
# No, I can't exist
1018
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:33,360
# I'll surely miss your tender kiss
1019
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,600
# Don't leave me this way
1020
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:40,120
# Ahhh, baby!
1021
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,320
# My heart is full of love
and desire for you... #
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