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Well, it's going to be a heck of a Tuesday for us, guys.

Where should we begin?

I'll tell you this.

Something is not right.

Something is not right.

And I am going to need you, whoever it is

that's listening to this podcast right now,

to wake up.

Because I am telling you this is

not a battle between left and right.

We all thought that at some point.

We believed that.

You're my enemy.

You're my enemy.

It is not a battle between Russia, Ukraine.

I don't care what your political issue of the day is.

What is happening right now in the world and

what just happened to my friend Charlie Kirk

is a battle of sheer evil versus goodness.

What do I have for you guys today?

Okay, well, first and foremost, the

indictment against Tyler Robinson was just released.

And I have a lot of questions that I think

need to be answered regarding his trans boyfriend,

Lance Twiggs.

I just spoke to a family member who told me

a lot about Lance Twiggs because the media

is kind of presenting him as this do-gooder.

You might be interested to know that

his family has a different perspective.

Also turning point employees are contacting me, a lot of them.

And I am not liking what I am hearing from

them about things that took place leading

up to that Hamptons event, some changes at

the organization in the months leading up

to that event and what had been happening

more broadly at the company over the last

year.

Speaking of which, Bill Ackman, you may have caught that he

responded to me about the Hamptons

with a lot of words to really say nothing at all.

And I want to be clear, I am not done, okay?

I'm coming for everybody.

Charlie Kirk's death is really just a beginning.

So welcome back.

Let's start with some major

updates regarding the Charlie Kirk case.

First and foremost, what always stood out to

us about this shooting was decoy boy, right?

We're all on social media.

We all watch the news.

We have all, whether we wanted to or not,

witnessed thanks to social media and the news

a lot of shootings, a lot of shootings,

whether it's gang related or otherwise.

And I have to say, I don't know if I'm the

only one, never in my entire life have I seen

a situation when a shooting happens and then somebody

completely unrelated to the shooting

that just happened jumps up and down and

says that they did it and gets arrested for

saying that they did it, implying that they did it.

Well, for whatever reason, George Zinn, who

is a 71-year-old man, was moved to do that,

right, instantly.

Charlie Kirk gets shot.

Suddenly the 71-year-old man jumps up and creates what is

obviously some sort of a distraction,

okay?

We have eyes.

That's not normal.

He creates a distraction.

So let's just take a look at this clip of

him being arrested in the aftermath of the

shooting.

Well, now it's about to get even stranger

because since he's been arrested, he's now

facing charges of obstruction of

justice because he didn't do it, right?

Why would you do that?

Why would you obstruct justice in this manner?

And now in addition to those charges, we learn that he's been

harboring images of child abuse,

okay?

He has kiddie porn.

This is the headline.

I can't make this up.

Man arrested for allegedly faking confession

to Charlie Kirk's killing, George Zinn, accused

of obstructing justice, was also booked in connection with

images on his cell phone related

to child abuse, okay?

So we learn from this article that after

being arrested, the 71-year-old man for this

second degree felony, which is obstruction

of justice, he was also when the police had

approached him, he was being weird

about giving them his cell phone, okay?

So they took him into custody.

They treated him for a medical condition.

And then they start asking this guy

questions about, you know, "What are you doing?

Can we see your cell phone?"

And he's being really cagey about giving over his cell phone.

They're like, "Okay, we're trying to get

to the bottom of why you would stand up and

scream shoot me, shoot me, immediately

following the aftermath of this murder, okay?"

And what they discover is that when asked by

an officer, okay, after he, like they figure

out that like he's not being

cooperative, is that he has images.

He has images of kiddie porn.

There's another way to say this,

related to child abuse on his cell phone.

Now what does that tell you about this guy, okay?

What does that tell you about George Zinn?

What that signals to me about George Zinn

is that I've, I mean, I've read a lot about

Jeffrey Epstein.

I've read a lot about blackmail operations.

The people they tend to go after are

people who are into children, full stop.

Now I'm not saying, obviously, he's just been charged here.

I guess we have to say allegedly, but that's

what's coming out now, that they found images

on his cell phone.

So this guy who is into this sort of thing,

we also figure out that in the past he has

given interviews related to September 11th and Al Qaeda.

He is in Utah and he is obstructing justice.

And he also happens to have this totally

disgusting addiction of some description.

I'm assuming it's an addiction and that's what he's harboring.

He's harboring child abuse images on his phone.

That's what I'm going to tell you.

That's my instinct immediately.

I don't like this guy.

That is suspect, okay?

Something to watch.

Now in terms of this indictment, now that

we can formally read the indictment, there's

been a lot that's been said that I think a lot of the

miscommunication is perhaps coming

from Governor Cox.

I think he in and of himself, I

probably should look into Governor Cox.

I'm not sure why he said some

things that are apparently untrue.

Maybe he misspoke.

I understand there is a lot of

pressure when it comes to this investigation.

But let's just take us through this indictment.

I think it's important for us to go through

it so that we can see the setup here of what

took place on September 10th.

Now first, they provide

basically an overview in this indictment.

It's a probable cause statement.

They tell us that basically after 33

hours, they really love saying 33 hours.

I don't know why they keep signaling that to us.

On September 11, 2025, when Tyler James

Robinson surrendered to police at Washington County

Sheriff's office, that was when it happened.

They found DNA consistent with Robinson on the rifle trigger.

After shooting Mr. Kirk, Robinson hid the gun.

They're going to get into that.

They ordered the clothing that he was wearing

when he fired the rifle and he told his lover

slash roommate to delete incriminating

text messages and not to speak with police.

And also they will be charging him count

six because children were present at the time

of the shooting.

Okay.

Now to get through this, we are told that

the suspect after this shooting took place

that there was a police officer who

immediately looked upward and realized he had heard the

sign of a rifle, knew that it was

obviously coming from the rooftops.

They then began crawling through the

footage, began crawling through the footage to see

what had happened.

They tell us that this discovery led to an intensive review.

Let me go actually back up to this paragraph.

Police reviewed surveillance from the

camera that was covering the roof and discovered

that it recorded an individual that was dressed in dark

clothing who had crossed the railing

from the public walkway and dropped

onto the roof at approximately 12, 15 PM.

Now just very quickly, I'm going to just

tell you according to our timeline, we know that

Charlie gets shot at 12, 23 PM.

So they're now telling us that he

was on that roof since 12, 15 PM.

So he's setting up that shot, we

can assume for about eight minutes.

Okay.

It goes on, "Although the individual moved

out of the camera's view for a short time,

the camera again captured the individual running across the

roof and then low crawling to the

area that the officer had recognized as where the suspected

sniper had dropped into a prone

shooting position.

After a short time, which matches the known

time of the shot, the individual arose and

then ran across the roof to the northeast."

So nothing in here implies that he had taken apart the shotgun.

I mean, that just seems to be now

removed from the narrative altogether.

It goes on to read that, "This discovery

led to an intensive review of UVU surveillance

recordings to attempt to track and identify the suspect.

Surveillance revealed the following that at

approximately 11, 51 AM, the suspect had entered

campus from the north.

He is wearing a black shirt with an American flag in its

center, a dark baseball cap, large

sunglasses.

Throughout the surveillance, the suspect keeps his head down

and rarely raises his head enough

to get a clear image of his face.

As he proceeds across the campus, he

is seen walking with an unusual gait.

The suspect walks with very little bending

in his right leg, consistent with a rifle

being hidden in his pants.

This unusual gait continues until the

suspect is seen crossing the railing off the open

walkway and onto the roof where he leaves the camera's view."

Okay, so the first thing I'm going to say

is they've only sent us screenshots, right?

We've only seen a picture of him coming up the staircase.

It looked to me like both his legs were bending.

I don't see why they don't just release.

Why don't they just release this fully so

we can make sure that this is the same person

that we see walking across with a limp, right?

That footage, which was provided by TMZ.

Also you will notice that nowhere in this

indictment as we go on are they going to mention

which Governor Cox spoke about.

Like first he came in a different outfit.

Remember Governor Cox said he was

wearing the light shorts and marooned shirts.

The implication here being that maybe he

came to come scout things, to check things out.

At first this is him, but then

he comes back in the black outfit.

This is missing from the indictment and I'm wondering why.

What is the explanation for that?

That would be a part of it if you were scouting the shooting.

Now they're just like, "Let's jump into the

guy that is wearing black and we're not going

to give you footage.

We're going to tell you that this is him and

you can assume that he slowly walked up this

staircase and was obscuring his face from view."

Okay, then it tells us that a camera later

captures the suspect as he runs across the

roof.

It gets into the shooting position and then

immediately after the shot was fired, we know

that he runs across carrying an item

whose shape is consistent with a rifle.

The suspect is then seen climbing down the roof.

He appears to drop the item that he was

carrying as he hits the ground in a controlled fall.

He then picks up the item and runs

toward the northeast end of the campus.

It tells us that's how they then

expand their crime scene investigation.

They followed his escape path to the northeast end of the

campus where they believe the suspect

left campus and entered a wooded area.

In that wooded area, investigators found

a bolt-action rifle wrapped in a towel.

So again, there was no disassembly.

It's wrapped in a towel.

Presumably that's how he covered it while he was running.

The rifle contained one spent round and three unspent rounds.

This is consistent with the facts officers

observed at the time of and immediately after

the shooting.

No shell casings that were found on the roof suggesting a

bolt-action rather than an auto-loading

weapon and only a single round was fired.

Then they tell us what was actually inscribed.

These are essentially memes.

"Hey fascist, catch!" says one on one cartridge.

You've got "Notices bulge."

What's this on another cartridge?

"Oh Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Chow Chow."

On the third cartridge and on the fourth

cartridge it reads, "If you read this, you

are gay, LMAO."

Okay, they detailed that.

The rifle, the ammunition rounds and the

towel were then sent for forensic processing and

that the DNA was consistent with Robinson

that was found on the trigger and other parts

of the rifle, the fired cartridge casing and

two of the three unfired cartridges and the

towel.

Okay, they were able to immediately locate the shooter.

They were unable, pardon me, to immediately

locate the shooter so that's when they published

the photos of the shooter from their

surveillance and they asked for the public's help.

Now we're going to get a little bit

more of a narrative change, right?

They tell us that as they continued their

investigation on September 11th, Tyler James

Robinson then walked in to the Washington

County Sheriff's Office and he is accompanied

by his parents and a family friend to turn himself in, okay?

Now again, he didn't confess yet

but he's here to turn himself in.

Robinson's mother stated the following to

police that on September 11th, the day after

the shooting, she saw the photo of the shooter in the news and

thought that the shooter looked

like her son.

She then called her son and asked him where he was.

He said he was at homesick and that he had

also been homesick on yesterday, September

10th, when the shooting occurred.

Robinson's mother expressed concern to her

husband that the suspected shooter looked

like Robinson.

So she's calling her husband and she's

going, "Hey, this kind of looks like our son."

And then his father agrees that that looks like their son.

So Robinson's mother explained to the

officers that over the last year or so, Robinson had

become increasingly more political.

He had started to lean more left.

He was becoming more pro-gay and more trans-right oriented,

that Robinson began to date his

roommate which is a biological

male who was transitioning genders.

We're going to get to him in a second.

This resulted in several discussions with

family members but especially between Robinson

and his father who have very difficult,

different, pardon me, political views.

In one conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned

that Charlie Kirk would be holding

this event at UVU which Robinson

said was a stupid venue for the event.

Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate.

Robinson's father reported that when his wife showed him that

surveillance image of a suspected

shooter in the news, he agreed that it looked like their son.

He also believed that the rifle that the

police had suspected the shooter had used matched

a rifle that was given to his son as a

gift and as a result, he then contacts his son

and asks him to send a photo of

the rifle that was gifted to him.

Robinson did not respond to that.

However, Robinson's father spoke on the

phone with Tyler at that moment and Tyler implied

that he planned to take his own life.

Now his parents were then able to convince

him to meet at their home, not to do that.

And as they discussed the situation,

Robinson implied, implied is the word they use here,

that he was the shooter and stated that he

could not go to jail and that he just wanted

to end things.

When asked why he did it, Robinson

explained that there was too much evil and that this

guy Charlie Kirk spreads too much hate.

They talked about Robinson turning himself in and they

convinced Robinson to speak with

the family friend who happens to be a retired deputy sheriff.

And at Robinson's father's request, the

family friend met with Robinson and his parents and

they convinced Robinson to turn himself in.

Okay.

Again, he did not confess, but he turned himself in.

And they then detail that they tell him, "Hey,

look, also bring in any clothes that you used

because you don't want the police to then

have to search the property of your parents.

So anything that you used, you need to bring over."

Okay.

That doesn't exactly make sense because

Robinson is living with his trans boyfriend, but that

is apparently Robinson replies that at

that moment that he had disposed of clothes in

different area.

So they're looking into that.

Okay.

Now we're getting to the roommate portion,

which is very interesting to me and I will

tell you why.

It's interesting to me because I

obviously have had a lot of tips.

I've had a lot of conversations with

people that knew both of these individuals.

When I say both, I'm referring to Tyler Robinson who was being

indicted, but also his boyfriend

who has not been indicted.

And the conversation that I am having is that Tyler's

classmates and the neighborhood are

very shocked that Tyler would be first

and foremost involved in this at all.

So right away they told me, "No way.

This guy is wearing the same outfit

from 33 hours ago because he was very tidy.

He sort of kept to himself, but he worked

with his hands and he was kind of a good person."

There were no signs here.

Like this appears to them to be like this

is a very good family and that there were

certain narratives out there that didn't make sense to them.

They could not compute them as it pertained to Tyler Robinson.

Okay.

And they're saying there's no way if like

they're not saying he couldn't have been

involved.

I very much want to be clear.

I believe that Tyler Robinson was involved

on the basis of this evidence, but rather

that there's no way he could have acted alone.

That this had to be a part of some wider plot.

Okay.

And when I'm speaking to people that are close to this

situation, what they are shocked about

is the fact that only Tyler could have been

arrested because it's a different perspective

when it comes to Tyler's trans boyfriend.

Okay.

Tyler's trans boyfriend's name is Lance Twiggs.

And they are very shocked.

In fact, the people that are intimately involved in the

situation are saying, "We thought he

was definitely going to get charged because

apparently," and again, I'm going to say this

allegedly, "he had been arrested or taken in on the same day."

Now the media narrative is that

that guy was being really cooperative.

He had nothing to do with anything.

Okay.

We're going to go through that.

And again, I'm going to tell you what his family is saying.

I'm referring now to Lance Twiggs.

Let's get to what the indictment tells us about him.

Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a

biological male who was involved in a romantic

relationship with Robinson.

The roommate told police that he had received messages from

Tyler Robinson about the shooting

and he provided those messages to police.

And then it goes on describing those messages.

On September 10, 2025, oh wait,

they're not telling us the time.

I don't like that.

I hope that's just you forgot, but I need to

know exactly when you're saying these messages

were sent, okay?

Because I need to fit them into my timeline, okay?

Clearly on the basis of what I'm about to

read, these messages had to have gone out

after Charlie Kirk was shot, if I'm using my

context clues, my blues clues to put things

together, but they're not clear here.

They just say on September 10, 2025, no time given, the

roommate received a text message

from Robinson which said, "Drop what

you are doing and look under my keyboard."

The roommate, Lance, then looks under his

keyboard and he finds a note that states,

"I had the opportunity to take out

Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it."

The structure that is weird.

"I had the opportunity to take out

Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it."

Okay, that's just structurally,

that's not proper English, okay?

It's either "I have," okay, or "I had."

Past tense, again, not clear.

Police found a photograph of this note and

the following text exchange then took place.

After reading that note, the

roommate texts Tyler and he says, "What?

You're joking, right?"

Robinson writes, "I'm still okay, my love,

but I am stuck in a ram for a little while

longer yet.

Shouldn't be long until I can come

home, but I got to grab my rifle still.

To be honest, I had hoped to keep

this secret till I died of old age.

I am sorry to involve you."

The roommate replies, "You weren't the one who did it, right?"

Robinson replies, "I am.

I'm sorry."

The roommate replies, "I thought they caught the person."

Robinson replies, "No, they grabbed some crazy old dude that

interrogated someone in similar

clothing.

I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop

point shortly after, but most of that side

of town got locked down.

It's quiet, almost enough to get out,

but there's one vehicle still lingering."

The roommate says, "Why?"

Robinson says, "Why did I do it?"

Roommate says, "Yeah."

Robinson says, "I had enough of his hatred.

Some hate can't be negotiated out.

If I am able to grab my rifle

unseen, I will have left no evidence.

Going to attempt to retrieve it

again, hopefully they have moved on.

I haven't seen anything about them finding it."

Roommate says, "How long have you been planning this?"

Robinson says, "A bit over a week, I believe.

I can get close to it," referring to the

rifle, "but there is a squad car parked right by

it.

I think they already swept that

spot, but I don't want to chance it."

Robinson says, "I'm wishing I had circled

back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my

vehicle.

I'm worried what my old man would do

if I didn't bring back grandpa's rifle.

I don't know if it had a serial

number, but it wouldn't trace to me.

I worry about prints.

I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits.

Didn't have the ability or time to bring it with.

I might have to abandon it and

hopefully they don't find prints.

How the eff will I explain losing it to my old man?

Anything I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel."

What?

You're worried about explaining

losing the rifle to your father.

Not worried that you left the rifle and therefore it's

obviously going to be found out.

The only thing that you left was the murder weapon?

This is weird.

This chain is weird to me.

It's weird to me that we don't know what time.

I don't know what he means.

Where is he stuck here, guys?

Do you have a clue here?

I'm stuck in a room for a little while longer.

It shouldn't be long until I can come home.

Is it a typo?

I should have asked you guys.

That's the town?

Okay.

Okay.

That's the town.

I'm stuck here for a little while longer.

It shouldn't be long until I can come

home, but I got to grab my rifle still.

So is this happening during lockdown?

He tells him to check under and to see.

Oh, check under quickly and see.

And I took care of it and he's where.

And now he's giving him an accounting of

exactly what's taking place, which means if

this is right after and they're still in lockdown, he's what?

Monitoring the situation?

Because this is going to give us a timeline, whether they tell

us when these messages happened

or not.

The fact that he already knows that they grabbed some crazy old

dude and that they also interrogated

someone in similar clothing, we're going to

be able to go back and plot exactly when that

happened or at least when the public was

informed because this whole correspondence

is very strange to me.

It's very strange to me.

He then is even more explicit, talk about

trying to cover your tracks, but then explicitly

texting everything to your lover.

He says, "The only thing I left

was the rifle wrapped in a towel.

Remember how I was engraving bullets?

The effing messages are mostly a meme.

If I see notices bulge on Fox News, I might have a stroke."

All right, I'm going to have to leave it.

That really effing sucks.

Okay, so if this is our guy, oh, we're not done.

Let's finish.

Finish.

That really sucks.

He's got to leave it.

And then he says, "Judging from today,

I'd say grandpa's gun does just fine.

I think that was a $2,000 scope."

And then he does a winky face.

And then he tells him, "Delete this exchange."

And then Robinson says, "My dad wants photos of the rifle."

He says, "Grandpa wants to know who has what.

The feds released a photo of the rifle and it is very unique.

He's calling me right now, not answering.

His dad's calling him.

Okay, well, the dad, this is interesting.

When is this text chain taking place?

Because we just heard that the

dad, they figured it out the next day.

They're making it sound like this all happened back to back.

Is this happening over two days?

Why not tell us this instantly

so I can work it into my timeline?

Okay, are these messages day one?

And then what?

They had no correspondence at all until he

jumps right back in and says, "My dad's calling

me.

Where were you when your dad called you?

You guys live together.

Why are you texting at all?

Why didn't this kid immediately call?

If they're in lockdown and he needs to go

back and get his rifle, right, this kid could

have," and I'm speaking about Lance,

"could have contacted immediately and said, "I'm

getting a confession right now."

I don't like that we are not being told the

exact timestamp of these messages because,

you know, my timeline demands it."

To close loop on how this enters, again,

not knowing when this happened, Robinson says,

"My dad wants photos of the rifle."

He says, "Grandpa wants to know who has what.

The Feds released a photo and it's very unique.

He's calling me right now, not answering."

Robinson says, "Well, since Trump got into

office, my dad has been pretty diehard magga."

Robinson says, "I'm going to turn myself in willingly.

One of my neighbors is here.

He is a deputy for the sheriff."

Robinson says, "You are all I worry about, love.

I'm much more worried."

The roommate says, Lance says,

"I'm much more worried about you."

Robinson says, "Don't talk to the media, please.

Don't take any interviews or make any comments.

If any police ask you questions,

ask for a lawyer and stay silent."

How are you guys feeling about that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mark is going to jump on and say something.

Go ahead, Mark.

Yeah, he's the guy that's always in my ear.

Not always.

I just noticed that around some of these

exchanges, there's ellipses above them.

You want to break it up a little bit?

What did you say?

Around some of these exchanges, there's ellipses.