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Oh, well, hi, guys. Come on in.

Hello. I'm Siren.

Tyler, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Hi, I'm Mackenzie.

Hi, please sit.

Don't you feel comfortable? Relax.

Oh.

Wait, you're filming this?

Oh.

Yes, I've got a couple cameras just so I can keep notes and kind of keep track

of our sessions as we make progress.

It doesn't go anywhere. It just stays right in my office just for my records.

You don't need to worry about any of those.

So like a cop would or something?

Kind of.

But again, no one has access to the database that I use for this. It's

encrypted. No one has access even to this office.

It is just for me.

Okay. Okay.

All right.

So, to start, I see that your parents made this appointment.

But before we get into the reason why, why don't you tell me a little bit about

yourselves, Tyler?

I just turned 18, just graduated.

I really don't do anything right now.

I'm just trying to, like, kind of find out, like, what I want to do.

Okay. I guess.

What are your interests?

I don't know. I'm still trying to figure everything out.

Didn't really like any classes in school or anything.

Really? Not really. Artistic type?

Mechanically inclined?

I don't want to do that kind of work.

Technology?

I don't know. Maybe.

But you're still young. There's plenty of time to figure out what you want to

in life.

What about you, Mackenzie?

Kind of same deal. I mean, we go to the same high school, so it's been a lot of

time together.

I just graduated, too.

Turned 18, not that long ago, too.

I like doing things, though. I actually like going out with my friends and

stuff.

Yeah, I know.

You guys are the same age.

Yeah. Are you twins?

No. No, no.

We don't look alike, come on. Well, fraternal twins can be boy -girl, you

have to look alike, but... So, stepbrother and step -sister.

Yeah. Okay, okay.

I've known him since I was a baby, so... Unfortunately.

Oh, no.

Be nice to your sister.

Okay, so, since when you made that comment, what's going on between you

Well, he gets to go out and do the things I want to do.

And my parents are okay with that.

But I'm not allowed to, just because he's a guy.

We're the same age, go to the same school, have the same friends.

But he can do it and I can't. That's because I don't get in trouble like you

Every time you go out, it's always been something.

Do you cause a little more trouble than your brother?

I wouldn't say that.

Oh, come on.

You're grounded like every weekend.

So are you.

Okay, so what are you guys doing to get yourself grounded? Why is there such a

difference?

I really don't even, like, do that much.

Yeah, but you took Mom's car out that one time.

That was once.

Okay.

And she said I could use it, but I was a few minutes late. That's it.

Yeah, well, I noticed.

How often do you break curfew?

It was just that one time.

And it was, like, two minutes late.

Not a big deal at all. You have a later curfew than me.

Okay, so there's definitely a lot of conflict between you two.

How often do you fight?

Well, since it was graduated, like, we can't even be in the same house.

Like, every day, we're all, we see each other, we're, like, together all the

time.

Yeah, we spend way too much time together.

Mm -hmm, I agree.

Hmm.

There's definitely a lot of... That's one thing we agree on.

That's true.

That you spend too much time together.

Yeah.

I think there's a lot more going on underneath there. There seems to be more

tension than you're allowing to admit.

Are you guys being completely open and honest?

I think so.

With what?

Your actual feelings.

How you're stressing on everything. The differences.

Sometimes parents do treat their kids different.

And a lot of times the boys do kind of get the better deal out of it. The

they're coddled a little more, a little more protective.

They think of us as not being able to handle ourselves. But as you do get

parents do kind of change and evolve.

But that shouldn't cause animosity between you two.

So I'm thinking that there's something else that underlines it. Anything you

think of?

Not really.

No, I don't think so.

Well, I want to try a couple things.

Look at some egg blots here.

I want you guys to look at this picture and tell me the first thing that pops in

your head.

Kind of looks like a woman's chest.

Okay, what about you, Tyler?

Of course you'd say that.

Why do you say that? Mom's done with tears. They get to the bottom of this

you're just goofing off.

I'm not giving up. She was honest. So what was the first thing that popped

your head? Because you're taking a long time to answer.

I don't know if I should really say it.

Just say it.

Everything here is completely safe.

We can be totally honest. Whatever comes to your mind, definitely say it.

I can't be the only one that takes this. What do you see?

Seriously, you don't see them?

What do you see?

It looks like there's a bunch of dicks just like...

sticking out okay all right what about that one

it's like a fish okay just looks like a

bad piece of art okay all right we'll do one more

like a butterfly or moth

Okay.

Okay.

It kind of helps me figure out what is more or less in your subconscious.

Everybody sees those as different things.

And depending on what is festering will kind of pop out. That's why you always

want to say what first comes to your mind on those.

That definitely gave me some good insight.

But I want to talk to you a little bit more and see if we can't get to the

bottom of this whole thing. When did you really start fighting with each other?

Do you remember?

Well, we used to actually be close.

We actually liked hanging out when we were kids.

Okay. And then about what age?

Fourth, fifth grade, we started hating each other.

And you don't know why? You caused it.

How did I cause it?

Seriously, she was always telling on me in school.

Then it caused Mom and Dad to start getting me in trouble, like punishing

guess. Do you blame her for your misdeeds?

Well, it doesn't matter who did it. She's the one that told.

I mean, if he didn't tell, I would have never got in trouble.

Okay. Did he?

retaliate in any way.

Yeah, kind of. He pushed Mom and Dad to let him do more things that he knew

could piss me off.

Hmm.

Okay. And it all started quite a few years ago.

Yeah. A long time ago.

It's been a long time since we were local.

And what has your parents been doing with all of this fighting?

They get pissed. Tell us to shut up.

Send us here.

Well, you guys are definitely saying a lot of negativity between yourself and

about the other person.

Is there anything that you can think of that is positive, Tyler?

Look at your sister.

Is there anything positive that you can think about her?

Well, you're a really good snitch.

That's not positive.

To her, it is. I mean, she does it all the time.

Obviously, she likes doing it.

Well, maybe.

There's a little smile on her face.

All right, Mackenzie, look at your brother.

Is there anything actually positive you can think of?

Not at all.

No, sorry.

Okay.

Now, is this your first therapy session?

Well, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, we talked about it with family members, but never like a

professional. Okay. All right. Well, we can definitely try

hypnosis.

If you guys are up to that, it's actually a good way to try and figure

trigger. There is definitely something that happened around that age of

8, 9, 10, where something happened.

that just totally separated your relationship and caused you guys to just

each other and fight all the time.

The hypnosis a lot of times will figure what that day or that situation was.

I don't know if I want to do anything that's going to check me into doing

something.

No, not at all. You will remember everything that we've talked about.

You won't go totally under, but kind of like a halfway point.

You'll feel really relaxed.

You'll be open. Your memories will start flooding in.

And then I wake you, and then we can talk about what you guys remember.

So it's nothing that's secretive. It's nothing that is going to be any sort of

trickery. I don't think so. It's all to just help you guys figure this out and

start getting along.

Well, see, of course she's up for it once I start to question that a little

It's like this all the time. That's all she ever does.

Well, she seems to be the more bold person. You seem to be more cautious,

there's nothing wrong with that.

Opposites actually do have good things for each other.

What do you think? Give it a shot.

Maybe for a few minutes, but... I mean, I've got my degree. It actually does

show that I have been doing this for many, many years, and it does include

emphasis. And it really does help people from eating habits to smoking to

hidden memories, regret memories.

I've heard about hypnosis before, and I've heard it actually works wonders.

Yeah, on the radio you've heard it.

You have actually did, like, research.

But whatever, I mean... She knows what she's talking about. If this will get us

out of here quicker, then I'll do it.

It'll be a good start.

It'll all be up to you and how open your mind are and if you're allowing

yourself to actually remember that memory.

Okay?

All right.

Well, what we're going to do, I want you guys to just sit back.

I want you to put your hands, whether you're comfortable on your lap or down

your sides.

I want your body to be completely relaxed.

No fear.

Just relax.

There you go.

Close your eyes.

And then take a deep breath in and out.

In and out.

In and out.

I want you to concentrate on the sound of your breathing.

Keep breathing in and out.

And the sound of my voice as I talk to you.

You'll see yourself down a little tunnel.

The farther you go in the tunnel, the more relaxed you feel.

Start with your toes.

You go farther down the tunnel.

Keep breathing.

Now you're feeling this warm, fuzzy feeling go up your legs.

To your fingertips.

Keep going down this tunnel.

In and out.

Now you feel relaxed up to your chest.

To your shoulders.

You start to see the end of this tunnel a beautiful light.

Float into that right.

Relax anymore.

One deep breath in.

And out.

You find yourself now in a beautiful meadow.

You're completely relaxed.

Just enjoy being in this meadow.

You're peaceful.

You're safe.

Now, think about the time when you were both seven years old.

Were you happy playing together?

Or were you already starting to fun?

Were you happy?

No. What were you playing?

Soccer. No.

How about when you were eight years old?

Go through your memories of that year.

I think that's when it started.

Okay.

What do you see?

Me and time out because you told.

Okay.

What else?

She was laughing because she got me in trouble.

You're laughing normal.

Brothers and sisters laugh at each other.

I remember slamming the door.

I wanted to get out.

Okay.

Go a little farther.

What else?

I got this phone from the bathroom.

I left the bathroom.

I thought no one was home.

Then I saw Tyler there.

They were staring at each other.

Okay.

What was he doing?

He wasn't dressed either. He went to just take a shower too.

It was really awkward.

Okay. He stared for a second and then he went right away.

Tyler, what is your memory of that day?

Well, I was just going to like take a shower and I don't know if he was

there either.

And I don't know. I just opened the door and she was there.

And I didn't really know what to do because it was pretty awkward.

So I just, like, ran away, like, back to my room.

Okay.

I think we remembered what the catalyst was.

I'm going to bring you out of here.

What I'm going to do is I'm going to count to ten backwards.

With each number, you're going to become...

And you're going to remember everything that we talked about and how you felt

about that day of crossing paths in the bathroom.

9, 10, 9,

8, 9, 7,

6, 7,

Almost out of the tunnel.

Two.

One.

Now wake up.

Okay.

So.

There was a little situation when you guys were about eight years old. Do you

remember?

Yeah.

Okay. What was that?

My weird day.

We accidentally saw each other naked, and

it was just, like, really embarrassing and awkward.

Yeah, weird.

Yeah.

Ever since that, it was just, like, weird.

Wow. Did it be weird the whole time?

No. As you grew up? We started just hating each other. I forgot about that.

forgot all about that.

I just knew I hated him.

And then as you both grew and grew up into young adults, what did you think

about Mackenzie?

That she's just always out to get me.

Still. Okay.

Mackenzie. It felt like it wasn't fair.

The way our parents treated it. He gets to do more and it pissed me off.

Okay. Maybe better.

And neither one of you thought back to that time where you thought of each

other? No.

I tried to forget.

A long time ago.

Those are formidable years. There's a lot of things that you pick up and

You know, your hormones are just starting to change as you get into

that tween, preteen age.

And then as puberty, now when you guys hit middle school.

Did you find that your fighting got worse?

I think I just forgot that it got worse.

As you got older?

Like, day by day, really.

Okay.

You guys have definitely had some tension.

And it's probably stemming from, actually, sexual tension of seeing each

You don't believe me.

Maybe it's more of you're feeling the fear.

of actually being attracted to your future?

No, I'm not attracted to her at all.

Like, the thought never crossed my mind.

Your subconscious will actually do a lot of things. I mean, you have your

parents. You guys have lived together all your life, right?

And it's natural.

You grow up, you live with someone, and you see each other naked.

Once.

Yeah.

But that started something.

It started an attraction.

An attraction? Are you sure about that?

But then the fear behind that made you start fighting more and more because

you wanted to cover up that fear and turn it into anger and hatred.

Does that kind of make sense?

Like 10 years?

Because you never went back to that one time and

figured it out.

I think it really is a deep -beated emotion that you guys have buried.

You really do find each other attractive very, very deeply.

You don't want to admit it, and it does.

those repressed feelings, the memories, they will fester, and they get worse,

and they get worse, and they get bigger, until it finally blows up.

I feel so gross, I think.

Yeah, and like, it's not even like, even if that was the case, it's like, we

can't do anything about it because we're brother and sister.

Well, you're technically dead. Like, literally can't.

Why?

Because of...

Because it looks weird and wrong.

You don't need to worry about that at all.

We can explore everything here in my office. This is a complete safe zone.

Nothing like at school where you do something, you tattle, and you

In here, everything is basically laid out on the table.

Let's open up.

And get to the root of your feelings. Let's get rid of this facade of anger

hatred and start to realize this attraction that you do obviously have

each other.

Is it obvious?

No.

Well, when you think about it, you know, little kids, when they like each other,

what do they do? The boys hit the little girls because I like you, so I'm going

to give you attention.

And I'm going to do whatever I can to get attention back.

That's what you guys are doing, but you're doing it on the negative side,

the positive side.

That's a good point.

And again, whatever happens here, happens here.

I feel so uncomfortable now.

Yeah, I don't really like talking about this.

Why don't we try another exercise? Let's have you guys stand up.

Now, just look at each other in the eye.

And this is going to take a lot of courage from both of you guys.

Don't look back. This is a safe place.

Let your guards down.

Now, I want you to look at each other as if you didn't know each other at all.

New student at school.

Never met.

They and you crossed each other in the hallway.

Okay? Can you look at Tyler?

What do you think?

It's not that bad if you don't have a brother.

We're not brother and sister.

We don't know.

We don't know each other.

Brand new student. First day of school.

Depending. Right? Get out of your mind that you know each other.

What happens when you see a new student that you think, wow, she's pretty?

Yeah. Okay.

So, no sister, no brother.

You see her. She's the new student.

Just walked into your classroom.

Yeah, she's pretty.

I don't know what else to say.

Well, I think you're kind of cute too.

Here, why don't you let's touch up.

And then keep looking at each other.

I don't know what happened.

It was a little uncomfortable, but we were kind of close, too.

Yeah, I mean, closer than we've been in the past, like, ten years.

Yeah. I think about the times when you were getting along.

You can't be fighting all the time.

Yeah, we used to have good times. Yeah, we did.

Yeah.

I think I'm tired.

I think I'm actually a nice guy.

Yeah, I mean, I really don't have, like, that many problems with you.

Would you like to touch your breath?

Her what?

Her breath.

My breath.

That's gonna fix what?

It'll help open up and get you close to the heart.

Um... You'll have her touch your chest. I don't know if Mom and Dad really pay

for this.

Your mom and dad paid to get all of this resolved.

Again,

what happens here, happens here. No one knows.

She's such a smart stuff already. I would believe her.

Doctor pays your privilege.

It's okay.

Like this?

Just touch.

See, the fact that you wanted to squeeze them shows that you've got some

underlying passion under there. That's just, like, normal, like, to do to them.

It is normal to do to them, yes.

Right.

Would you like to see your sister's breath?

I don't know.

Technically, I've already seen them, like, once before.

older and you're starting to admit your feeling.

That's not like pushing it too far?

No.

No. Feelings are natural.

What about you? Would you like to see Tyler with his shirt off?

Hmm.

I guess so.

Like, we could try, but it's still, like, kind of pushing boundaries.

It's human nature to be nude.

We're all basically the same.

All women are the same. All men are the same.

People are close ones.

And there's nothing wrong with nudity.

Okay.

All right.

So go ahead and take your shirt off, and you can take your jacket off.

Okay. Doing this also opens you guys up a little bit more. A lot of times,

clothes give us this mask, per se, that we hide behind.

We get rid of those clothing, and it kind of opens up the heart, opens up the

mind a little bit more.

I can take your own shirt off.

Would it help if I take my blouse off?

Yeah. Honestly, yeah. Okay.

You'll look awkward. Yeah. Sure.

All the way?

Yeah, all the way.

Yep, all the way up.

Okay, wow.

Wow.

Now, I want you to just stand there for a minute and look at each other.

Really looking at each other.

Okay. And you can see what you see.

I look kind of cute.

She's pretty.

I know.

Do you like the boy?

Yeah, I do.

What about you?

Yeah.

And how would you like to touch your boyfriend?

Sure.

Just let your instincts let it happen.

Whatever you think, just do it.

Don't overthink it.

That's it.

There you go.

Catch it up closer.

Smell yourself.

Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm.

Very good.

Very good. Kiss each other again.

Wait a second. Didn't you say you were recording this? Oh,

it's okay. Again, this is it. It's not going anywhere.

These are encrypted.

No one can figure out my password to get into this. They go in a file.

I just go back, I'll feel like our next session, to remind what we did so I can

continue our work.

Only you will see it.

Only I will see it, I promise.

Okay. Let's go, let's go.

How does that feel?

It feels good. Really good.

Do you like her hands on you, Tyler?

I love it.

What do her lips feel like?

Really soft and smooth.

I can't think of what Tyler's lips feel like.

Keep rubbing it.

Feels really good, sis.

And you like that?

Good.

And Mackenzie, what does that do to you? How does that make you feel, knowing

that his penis is high for you?

All over your body?

Or in between your legs?

In between my legs.

Good.

I'm so happy that you guys are allowing your actual deep -seated feelings to

cloud. This is good. Very good progress.

Yeah.

I want to take it a step further.

Okay. Okay. We can get further than this.

Oh, we can get much farther than this.

Would you like to actually please repeat?

Yeah.

Would you like to show me what's down there?

No.

If she wants to see it.

I want to see it.

Can I keep touching?

Absolutely.

Do you want to reach down and touch your vagina?

Can I?

Keep doing that for a minute.

Get into each other.

Let you around the light.

Yes, that's it.

Keep doing that.

Go ahead, Tamara.

Can you take your underwear off?

You can also ask the same one with Henny.

Yeah, can you take yours off too?

Okay.

Yeah, just feel good.

stress and pressure and tension.

And like I said, it was sexual tension.

Right? Yeah, I guess so.

Okay.

Does it feel good in your hands?

Yeah. Did you like touching her vagina?

Yeah, I really did.

Is it soft?

Yeah, it's soft and wet.

Mackenzie, would you like to put an earpiece in your mouth and suck on it?

No.

Mm -hmm.

I don't know.

Well, what if I did and showed you how to do it?

Okay. I'm more comfortable that way. Then it's okay.

Yeah.

Can I look?

Yeah, we could do that.

Okay.

Get closer to where you guys are.

You guys are really good at that.

See, this way, we're just two women.

We're not a therapist.

We're watching something.

We're just people.

Enjoying sensations of flesh.

You

are

really good at that too.

I'm paper.

She does a very good job of that.

Yes, she does.

Whoa.

Take a month to get it all in.

She does such a good job.

um um um

I think your metals are getting a little high.

They are, yeah.

You did such a good job with that.

I think I'm a little overdressed.

Well, you've got to match us.

I do, right? To make you guys more comfortable.

Now we're all equal.

Is it possible to go farther than him?

Would you like to feel his penis in your vagina?

Oh my God.

Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

Oh, yes.

Oh, did you hear that? Your favorite sister.

How does this penis feel?

So good.

oh my god

Yes, help me, girl.

I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm coming.

Oh, yes.

I want you to look. Watch what he's doing.

There you go.

That's it.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I want to know what it tastes like.

You're a lucky girl.

Oh, my God.

You're doing a good job, sis.

Yes. Oh, my God.

Oh, God.

It is very big.

oh my god

Oh my God.

Oh, you can see it right there.

Everything good, everything positive.

Throw away all the negative.

Oh, my

God.

Oh, my God. Oh,

my God.

If you do right, you'll make an orgasm again.

I do.

And this is a beautiful position for that, isn't it?

Yes.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

It's so deep.

It's very deep this way.

I feel it all.

Oh,

my God. I can feel it in my face.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Yes. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Yes.

Yes. Oh, God.

It's amazing.

It's so good.

Yes. It's so good.

Oh, my God.

You want her to go in deeper.

You wanna cum, just cum.

Let it go.

Oh my god.

Oh my god, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Oh my god. Oh fuck.

Fuck. Oh my god.

Oh fuck.

Oh my god. I'm gonna cum again.

I'm gonna cum again.

Yeah. Keep going. Keep going.

Yeah, yeah, it's like that. It's like that.

Oh, fuck, yeah, it's like that. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, oh, my God.

Oh,

fuck, I love you. I love you, good girl.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God.

Fuck, yeah.

You're feeling more and more relaxed.

Yeah. Yeah.

How about you, Tyler?

Starting to get love.

I'm going to make sure you guys feel good first.

Good.

Yes.

You're actually very self -love.

Oh, my God.

That's so good.

Oh,

my

God,

yeah.

You've got something to distract you and the distractions can be good too.

Oh, God. Oh, God.

Oh, my God. Oh,

my God.

Oh,

my God.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

There you go. Yeah, that's the kid behind me.

Oh, wow, you look beautiful, Nina.

That's such a good job, isn't it?

Oh. Oh. Yeah.

I think we'll be coming back.

I think I'm going to get ready to come soon. Oh, good.

You deserve it.

It's your turn to feel completely relaxed and open.

Can I come all over you guys with pretty face?

Sure. Would you want me?

I'd love to get some.

All right.

Ready?

Welcome to the castle.

I think we'll definitely be coming back.

We can definitely make a session next week.

You can set it up with my secretary outside.

Before we go, I do want you to say one last thing.

Tell each other that you love them.

I love you, Seth.

Love you, bro.

Stand up and hug.

I'm so happy you're closing it. Me too. I can't wait.

Thank you.

You guys are very, very welcome.

Thank you.

I can't wait for our next session.

Yeah. All right. See you next week.

Okay. See you next week. All right. Bye, guys.

Go pick up your clothes and go make your appointment.

Okay.

Don't go to the bathroom.

In the hallway.

And then, you guys, there is actually a bathroom in the hallway, so you kind of

clean up before you get out. Okay, good.

All right.

We made amazing progress today, you guys. We sure did.

I didn't think it was possible.

Me neither.

I'm very happy with you two.