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{\an8}So, this rosary ring was found,
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{\an8}I believe, in Tom's room.
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{\an8}It's not meant to be worn
around the neck.
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{\an8}It's an actual ring.
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{\an8}You wear it with the cross up
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{\an8}while you're saying the rosary.
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{\an8}But he takes it...
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{\an8}and is wearing it
with the cross down.
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Do you understand?
It's an inversion of the rosary.
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The fact that Tom wears it
with the cross going down...
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That's not a rosary ring.
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That's a mocking
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of the Blessed Mother
and the Lord Jesus.
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This is a mockery
of all that is sacred.
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This is spitting
in the face of God.
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14-year-old boy said
to be obsessed by Satan
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stabbed his mother to death
over the weekend
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and then committed suicide.
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Over the past month,
Tom had developed
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an unhealthy interest in Satan.
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I remember
walking into his bedroom,
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and on the bed is where
I saw some of the books.
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And opening the books,
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he had some
pretty strange writings
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of following Satan
and giving his life to Satan.
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He was the neighborhood
paperboy, a model student,
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and now, by his own admission,
a satanic murderer.
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I believe that Tom Jr.
had a relationship with Satan.
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Once a person is possessed,
they have no control.
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In that basement...
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...Tom was possessed
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by demonic forces
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to kill his mother.
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The killing of a mother
by her son
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is beyond comprehension.
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It is not natural.
It is not normal.
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It is anti-everything
that's holy and good.
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Evil conjures
a thousand images in our minds
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of twisted people,
unspeakable acts,
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and dark ideas.
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It's the darkness
we see in others
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and the darkness we fear
lurks within ourselves.
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But what happens when that evil
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stops becoming a concept
and takes shape?
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When Tommy Jr. killed his mother
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and turned a blade on himself,
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it pointed to something
that defied logic.
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Something truly evil.
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Thomas Sullivan
was 14 years old.
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And as Dave Roddy reports,
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his father is trying
to find a way to forgive him.
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I loved him dearly.
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But he also took my wife,
who I loved.
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If you're saying
to yourself something like this
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could never happen
in your community, think again.
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Morris County police are
broadening their investigation
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of a bizarre murder-suicide
to determine
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if it was linked
to a local satanic cult.
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{\an8} According to police,
Tom stabbed his mother
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{\an8}more than a dozen times
with a small penknife.
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{\an8}The body of Betty Ann Sullivan
was found in the basement.
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And the next day,
the body of Tom Sullivan Jr.
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was found in the snow.
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He had slashed
his wrist and throat.
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This was a brutal murder.
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This was a suicide that was,
you know, very, very violent.
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The crime-scene
photos and autopsy photos
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showed that he cut his wrist
and then took the knife,
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put it from one ear
to the other ear,
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and pulled it across his throat.
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Right across.
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Um, I mean, graphic.
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To see the picture
of his head being back
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and to see this gaping hole...
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You know, to kill himself
in the manner that he did...
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...it promotes
a lot of questions.
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For the average person,
it's like, well,
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if he was under
some influence of drugs,
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I mean, that can make people
do all kinds of things.
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But from the reports
and, you know,
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speaking with the detectives
at the time,
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there was no drugs, no alcohol.
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Um, you know, just, um...
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how did that happen?
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Tom Sullivan Jr.
is described by neighbors
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as the all-American kid,
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an eighth-grader
who loved baseball...
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How does a kid
going to the school there
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and having
all those advantages...
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You know, why did
this 13-, 14-year-old,
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eighth-grade
Catholic school kid do this?
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{\an8} He told some kids
that he had a vision,
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{\an8}that Satan came to him.
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{\an8}Satan had his face on it.
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{\an8}And Satan told him
to kill his family
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{\an8}and then go out
and preach Satanism.
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{\an8} My understanding was
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{\an8}that Tommy had written a paper
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{\an8}on Satanism in class.
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{\an8} I believe the school
paper started around October,
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{\an8}when it had to be done around
the Thanksgiving holidays.
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Something within his research
triggered his attachment to it,
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and then he just
stayed involved in it.
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But it went downhill
very quick with him.
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In just a couple of
weeks, Tommy's behavior changed.
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It's just mind-blowing.
It really is.
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It's really hard to, you know,
wrap your head around it.
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{\an8}It really is.
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{\an8} Family did say he was
getting involved in Satanism,
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{\an8}and that's what people
were worried about,
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{\an8}is him being possessed.
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Sister Philomena told us
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that they had been having some
concerns about Tommy's behavior.
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I was like,
"Well, let's go up to the school
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and find out
what they can tell us."
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The police were in my
office the following morning,
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on Monday morning.
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They said, "We want to go
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and get all his books
out of his desk."
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My first statement--
I felt I had to say it--
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was, "I have never dealt
with anything like this before."
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And I believe it was
Paul Hart who said...
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"Neither have we."
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It was very tense,
to put it mildly.
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There was a lot of concern
about what had gone on
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and how did this happen.
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The English teacher
had them doing journals.
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She was just trying
to get the students
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to put their thoughts down.
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The journal was personal,
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and I would never have looked
at a child's journal,
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but the police could.
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They started each day by writing
kind of a private journal.
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The initial sketches
were of cartoon characters.
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Mickey Mouse and all the things
you would imagine
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that a teenager, you know,
might be drawing.
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And then it progressively
got darker.
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You know, it went from
Mickey Mouse to pictures of,
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like, a horned person
resembling maybe the devil.
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There were some pentagrams.
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And as it got
kind of darker and darker,
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nothing came to light because
it wasn't anything they shared.
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The sketchbook
started taking on
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{\an8}a more ominous, angry
feeling about it.
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Tommy was not happy.
He was not a happy kid.
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Right away,
you could see he was influenced,
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obsessed by the satanic world.
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The evidence
of what he was thinking of
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on a daily basis
was in that book.
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Along with
Tommy's sketchbook,
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the Jefferson PD uncovered
several journal entries,
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{\an8}such as this one.
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{\an8}"Today is really cool.
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{\an8}I really do hate God and love.
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{\an8}The devil is my idol.
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{\an8}I will rise and conquer the good
of mankind for eternity.
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{\an8}And when the apocalypse
comes around,
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{\an8}I will descend to hell
to fulfill Lucifer's will.
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{\an8}Well, I really
do have to go now.
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{\an8}So, bye."
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{\an8}I mean, this is his journal.
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{\an8}This isn't for
public consumption.
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This is what he was
really feeling.
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{\an8}Yeah.
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{\an8}I've studied
that kind of imagery.
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{\an8}I think it reflects Tommy's
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{\an8}deep understanding
of Satan or the occult.
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{\an8}And I see telltale signs there
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{\an8}of somebody who's in the know.
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{\an8}As a historian,
I study Satanism.
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I'm an occultist.
I'm a seeker. I'm on the path.
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And I document
what I find on the path,
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both in terms
of history and practice.
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To me, understanding the occult,
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participating
in occult movements,
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requires skin in the game.
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{\an8}It requires a lot of
hands-on research and practice.
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{\an8}So here we see he's holding
the reverse crucifix
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{\an8}in his left hand.
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{\an8}And the left-hand path
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{\an8}is said to be the path
of the satanic,
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{\an8}where the individual seeker
is attempting
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{\an8}to develop
certain superhuman powers--
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{\an8}levitation or bilocation
or super strength.
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{\an8}So the belief that the
left-hand forces hold that power
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that maybe he was unable to find
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in the other,
more conventional doorways
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that were open to him,
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he's calling on Satan
to seek power.
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{\an8}This is fascinating to me
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{\an8}because what we're seeing
in this image most obviously
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{\an8}is a horned figure
with someone's severed head.
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{\an8}This time, Tommy creates
a language, a kind of script.
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{\an8}The words at the top
of the image seem to me
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{\an8}to be "evil world"
written backwards.
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{\an8}One piece of satanic lore
that runs through the ages
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is that demons,
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as the term
is conventionally used,
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they like things backwards.
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{\an8}They like things upside down.
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{\an8}He clearly brought details
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{\an8}a little more sophisticated
than you might find
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{\an8}in books from
the local public library.
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{\an8}In this drawing,
you're clearly seeing somebody
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{\an8}who is more fully grokking
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{\an8}to the brutalization
of what he's depicting.
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{\an8} That drawing,
during the investigation,
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{\an8}well, it's one of those
pieces of information
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{\an8}that's stuck up here.
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{\an8} The victim
has an expression of despair.
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{\an8}With the hand cut off,
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{\an8}damage to the body,
to the head and the face.
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There's a...
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a reveling in cruelty
in the image.
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{\an8}You would look at it
and you could say...
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{\an8}that was a depiction, drawing
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{\an8}of ultimately what happened
to his mother.
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Tommy wasn't alone
in his interest
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{\an8}or in how he expressed himself.
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{\an8}I myself
have stacks of notebooks
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{\an8}with similar drawings I made
when I was his age.
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And the thing is,
I turned out fine.
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In fact, those inspirations
served me very well
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throughout my career
and continue to do so.
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But sometimes
the signs can't be ignored.
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As a parent now,
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I understand that fear
of not knowing
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what's going through
my kid's head.
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How can I?
And how could anyone know
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what was going through
Tommy's mind
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and that he would
cross that line
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from fantasy
into something physical?
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That day when
I talked to Tom in my office...
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Tom,
can you tell me...
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...the steel look in his eyes.
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I've never had anyone
look at me like that, ever.
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He said, "It's too late."
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And I felt...
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it was too late.
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The whole room got cold.
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I was feeling...
just so chilled.
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So...
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It's too late.
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I cannot describe it in words.
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I can only say...
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that, for me...
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that scared me the most.
248
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Satan is real.
249
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Satan is the opposite...
250
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and the antagonist of God.
251
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It is very hard for me...
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to really...
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understand...
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evil.
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But I know it exists.
256
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And I know it takes people away.
257
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And I know
that people choose evil.
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I walked back to my office.
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My vice principal said,
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"Did you want to speak
to Mrs. Sullivan?"
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And I said, "Oh, yes."
262
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Betty Ann,
it's good to see you.
263
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Mrs. Sullivan was a faithful
volunteer in the school.
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At lunchtime,
she would go into a classroom
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and be there for the kids
as they were eating
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and then take them out
on the playground.
267
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It was a heroic job,
and she did it faithfully.
268
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She was a stay-at-home mom.
269
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She did not have any other job.
270
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So she made her children
a priority.
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I wanted
to check in with you...
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I said the children
had come to me.
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They were concerned.
The teachers are concerned.
274
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We're all concerned
about what he's talking about,
275
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which includes Satan.
276
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She says, "I know all about it.
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He took every single book
out of the library,
278
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and he read every single one
cover to cover."
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And she said,
"I was so glad he was reading.
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I didn't care what he read."
281
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And I said, "But there are
other things to read."
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I said, "Please.
283
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I encourage you and your husband
to talk to him."
284
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That was Thursday.
285
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Friday, we had a snow day.
286
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A 14-year old boy
said to be obsessed by Satan
287
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stabbed his mother to death
over the weekend
288
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and then committed suicide.
289
00:17:48,610 --> 00:17:52,321
He had killed his mother
on Saturday night.
290
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And somewhere before they found
him, he had killed himself.
291
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So now we had a homicide
and a suicide in our school.
292
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Truth be told...
I thought it was my fault.
293
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Because I asked her
to talk to him.
294
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It's a horrible thing
to think that in two weeks
295
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a young man could change
296
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and become this monster,
you know...
297
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and this interest in Satan.
298
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No, there's not enough time
for that to happen.
299
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It's obvious to me,
300
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based on what I've experienced
in my own life
301
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and in ministry
working with folks,
302
00:18:49,546 --> 00:18:51,630
that we're dealing
with something here
303
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that is deeply dark, paranormal,
304
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nefarious, and dangerous...
305
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and real.
306
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Is it possible
that Tommy was in touch
307
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with some kind of unseen entity,
308
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some sort
of metaphysical presence,
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what a person
might call possession?
310
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Of course it's possible.
Of course it's possible.
311
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I do feel certain that there are
some cases of possession
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that elude all explanation.
313
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I will never take
the supernatural
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or the extraphysical
off the table.
315
00:19:35,967 --> 00:19:40,762
Possession and exorcism
are widely referenced topics
316
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that most everyone has heard of,
317
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due chiefly to entertainment.
318
00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:52,566
Take a look at the number
of movies that involve Satanism.
319
00:19:52,567 --> 00:19:54,735
In "The Exorcist,"
it is the tremendous power
320
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of the devil himself
controlling a little girl's body
321
00:19:57,614 --> 00:20:00,116
against the will of a priest.
322
00:20:01,117 --> 00:20:03,161
I love films
about possession and evil.
323
00:20:04,954 --> 00:20:06,830
Movies like "Rosemary's Baby"...
324
00:20:06,831 --> 00:20:09,541
This is no dream!
This is really happening!
325
00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:12,044
The power of Christ
compels you!
326
00:20:12,045 --> 00:20:14,630
- ..."The Exorcist"...
- It's all for you!
327
00:20:14,631 --> 00:20:17,049
...and a personal favorite
of mine, "The Omen,"
328
00:20:17,050 --> 00:20:20,093
sparked a cultural wildfire.
329
00:20:20,094 --> 00:20:22,971
But they weren't just about
the supernatural horror.
330
00:20:22,972 --> 00:20:25,766
They were stories
about regular, everyday people
331
00:20:25,767 --> 00:20:28,310
thrust into something
they couldn't explain.
332
00:20:28,311 --> 00:20:31,689
And that's terrifying.
It hits you on a primal level.
333
00:20:33,942 --> 00:20:37,778
"The Exorcist" was based
on the true case of Roland Doe,
334
00:20:37,779 --> 00:20:40,739
a boy in the 1940s
who allegedly became possessed
335
00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:41,908
after using a Ouija board.
336
00:20:44,369 --> 00:20:48,080
His story spread,
sparking a debate.
337
00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:51,541
Was it possession
or something else?
338
00:20:53,294 --> 00:20:56,254
By fictionalizing Doe's story
into "The Exorcist,"
339
00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:59,132
filmmakers took that fear
and amplified it,
340
00:20:59,133 --> 00:21:01,134
shaping a generation
into thinking
341
00:21:01,135 --> 00:21:04,973
that anything strange
could be a sign of the devil.
342
00:21:06,057 --> 00:21:10,185
Oh, God, son of God.
Unconquered might!
343
00:21:10,186 --> 00:21:12,521
How many exorcisms
have you performed yourself?
344
00:21:12,522 --> 00:21:14,606
{\an8}I've been doing it
for about five years now
345
00:21:14,607 --> 00:21:16,650
{\an8}and about 20 a year,
so it's about 100.
346
00:21:16,651 --> 00:21:21,321
{\an8}There's been an uptick
of supposed possession cases
347
00:21:21,322 --> 00:21:24,366
over the past 20 years or so
here in the United States,
348
00:21:24,367 --> 00:21:27,327
so much so that the Vatican
349
00:21:27,328 --> 00:21:30,872
has just about quintupled
350
00:21:30,873 --> 00:21:35,460
the number of church-sanctioned
exorcists here in the U.S.
351
00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:40,048
{\an8}It is deeply controversial,
and yet word
352
00:21:40,049 --> 00:21:42,926
{\an8}from a conference in Italy
is that more priests
353
00:21:42,927 --> 00:21:45,178
{\an8}are to be trained in exorcism.
354
00:21:54,647 --> 00:21:56,523
I have the feeling in my hands.
355
00:21:56,524 --> 00:21:59,401
I didn't move them myself.
356
00:21:59,402 --> 00:22:01,111
They were moved for me.
357
00:22:01,112 --> 00:22:03,113
Rest in peace...
358
00:22:03,114 --> 00:22:07,284
I have performed what we refer
to in the church as exorcism.
359
00:22:09,662 --> 00:22:15,417
I've seen a woman
where there was spirit
360
00:22:15,418 --> 00:22:19,713
that were literally
fighting her from her body...
361
00:22:21,591 --> 00:22:24,176
...like fists coming out of her,
so to speak,
362
00:22:24,177 --> 00:22:27,180
punching me
while I was praying for her.
363
00:22:29,140 --> 00:22:34,936
I've spoken to people that
have been controlled by evil.
364
00:22:34,937 --> 00:22:38,732
Their eyes change.
Their voices change.
365
00:22:38,733 --> 00:22:40,317
You feel a presence.
366
00:22:40,318 --> 00:22:43,570
You sense beyond
the shadow of a doubt
367
00:22:43,571 --> 00:22:46,157
you are not with the
regular person that you know.
368
00:23:00,838 --> 00:23:03,548
Tom Sullivan's found.
369
00:23:03,549 --> 00:23:05,384
Wrist cut.
370
00:23:06,344 --> 00:23:10,097
And then neck cut
all the way to the bone.
371
00:23:10,098 --> 00:23:13,267
And the head just hanging on
by the neck bone.
372
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:17,270
Now, what, did the person cut
his neck and then do his--
373
00:23:17,271 --> 00:23:19,564
These? His hands? No.
374
00:23:19,565 --> 00:23:22,651
Or do the hands first
and then do-- No.
375
00:23:22,652 --> 00:23:24,487
It's not possible.
376
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:27,823
There was something
otherworldly about it...
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00:23:27,824 --> 00:23:30,118
as if he was controlled
or possessed by a spirit.
378
00:23:43,798 --> 00:23:46,550
Usually an individual
gets possessed
379
00:23:46,551 --> 00:23:52,389
by something that he or she
has not gone looking for.
380
00:24:01,149 --> 00:24:03,901
But Tommy willfully
sought this experience.
381
00:24:09,991 --> 00:24:13,786
So I wouldn't specifically
describe it as possession.
382
00:24:14,704 --> 00:24:16,830
Something
takes possession of you.
383
00:24:16,831 --> 00:24:19,708
It's not an invited guest.
384
00:24:19,709 --> 00:24:21,376
If Tommy got in touch
with something,
385
00:24:21,377 --> 00:24:23,171
it was an invited guest.
386
00:24:39,979 --> 00:24:42,856
When Tom
wrote a pact with Satan,
387
00:24:42,857 --> 00:24:45,984
it was like a legal contract,
if you will.
388
00:24:50,031 --> 00:24:53,492
{\an8}The whole story
is in the pact that he wrote.
389
00:24:56,078 --> 00:24:57,162
Alright. So...
390
00:24:57,163 --> 00:24:58,705
"To the greatest demons of hell.
391
00:24:58,706 --> 00:25:00,999
I, Tom Sullivan,
would like to make
392
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,294
a solemn exchange with you."
393
00:25:04,045 --> 00:25:07,923
If you give me the most extreme
of all magical powers...
394
00:25:13,888 --> 00:25:16,264
...I will use them wisely
395
00:25:16,265 --> 00:25:19,351
to tempt as many people
as possible
396
00:25:19,352 --> 00:25:21,771
and to do evil and follow you."
397
00:25:23,564 --> 00:25:27,235
This is so disconcerting.
To actually see it written.
398
00:25:29,237 --> 00:25:32,072
When you play with evil
at this level...
399
00:25:33,574 --> 00:25:39,287
...and you call upon
the deceiver directly
400
00:25:39,288 --> 00:25:41,206
and the hounds of hell...
401
00:25:43,459 --> 00:25:45,335
...they will respond.
402
00:25:51,175 --> 00:25:52,468
They will respond.
403
00:25:55,054 --> 00:25:57,639
Tommy, what are you
doing down here?
404
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,307
You should be in bed.
405
00:25:59,308 --> 00:26:01,935
{\an8} "I will kill
many Christian followers
406
00:26:01,936 --> 00:26:04,437
{\an8}who are serious
in their religious beliefs."
407
00:26:04,438 --> 00:26:06,773
{\an8}Hm.
408
00:26:06,774 --> 00:26:08,484
It just, uh...
409
00:26:10,111 --> 00:26:11,945
It's so deliberate.
410
00:26:11,946 --> 00:26:13,571
I don't know
what's gotten into you.
411
00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:15,074
I really don't.
412
00:26:17,785 --> 00:26:20,036
It was spiritual forces...
413
00:26:20,037 --> 00:26:22,289
You won't even
talk to me anymore.
414
00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:23,832
...that can manifest...
415
00:26:23,833 --> 00:26:25,041
I'm really worried
about you.
416
00:26:25,042 --> 00:26:26,960
...in the physical realm.
417
00:26:26,961 --> 00:26:29,671
How am I supposed to help you
if you won't talk to me?
418
00:26:35,886 --> 00:26:40,598
And when you
make a pact with a deity...
419
00:26:47,648 --> 00:26:48,941
...there has to be a sacrifice.
420
00:26:52,069 --> 00:26:54,696
Die, Mother! Die!
421
00:26:54,697 --> 00:26:57,283
Mother, die!
Die! Die!
422
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,078
"Throughout my new life...
423
00:27:03,706 --> 00:27:06,833
I promise to perform
any satanic rituals.
424
00:27:12,131 --> 00:27:16,718
I will do these to prove my
loyalty to the demons of hell."
425
00:27:20,097 --> 00:27:22,766
He's giving himself, bargaining.
426
00:27:22,767 --> 00:27:28,063
I mean, it's determined,
even-keeled, well thought-out.
427
00:27:28,064 --> 00:27:29,189
Wow.
428
00:27:42,078 --> 00:27:44,496
"Exactly 20 years
from this day...
429
00:27:45,956 --> 00:27:48,209
...I promise
to commit suicide.
430
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,296
At this time,
I will go directly to hell
431
00:27:53,297 --> 00:27:56,091
and to work with you
as a demon.
432
00:27:57,843 --> 00:28:01,805
I believe that evil
will once again rise
433
00:28:01,806 --> 00:28:04,015
and conquer the love of God."
434
00:28:17,196 --> 00:28:22,076
"If this pact is to
your approval, sign below."
435
00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:34,129
He was not conscious
of what he was doing
436
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:36,756
when he slit his throat.
437
00:28:36,757 --> 00:28:38,466
He could be there himself,
438
00:28:38,467 --> 00:28:42,138
but the entities that were there
worked through him.
439
00:28:43,013 --> 00:28:45,640
In fact,
I wouldn't say it was a suicide.
440
00:28:45,641 --> 00:28:48,685
I'd say it was a double murder.
441
00:28:48,686 --> 00:28:51,312
Tom killed his mother.
442
00:28:51,313 --> 00:28:53,231
But Tom was killed
443
00:28:53,232 --> 00:28:56,776
by the entity that killed
his mother through Tom.
444
00:29:09,123 --> 00:29:12,292
Committing that
you're gonna murder your family.
445
00:29:14,962 --> 00:29:18,299
{\an8}That's the part that gets people
all freaked out.
446
00:29:20,009 --> 00:29:21,551
{\an8}And that's where
he writes on the side,
447
00:29:21,552 --> 00:29:23,511
{\an8}"I've already killed my family."
448
00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:26,681
{\an8}I mean,
it gives me chills right now,
449
00:29:26,682 --> 00:29:28,475
even just reading it again.
450
00:29:28,476 --> 00:29:30,018
Whew. Wow.
451
00:29:30,019 --> 00:29:32,188
I haven't seen this
in quite some time.
452
00:29:33,272 --> 00:29:34,732
Interesting.
453
00:29:36,734 --> 00:29:37,985
Hm.
454
00:29:39,069 --> 00:29:42,405
You have to surmise he was
definitely taken over by,
455
00:29:42,406 --> 00:29:47,285
you know, an outside force,
you know, the devil.
456
00:30:03,761 --> 00:30:06,471
I remember, you know,
being at the funeral.
457
00:30:08,724 --> 00:30:11,893
You could barely even
get in the church.
458
00:30:11,894 --> 00:30:14,479
Everybody showed up.
459
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,105
I mean,
the whole school was there.
460
00:30:16,106 --> 00:30:17,358
Like, the whole town was there.
461
00:30:20,694 --> 00:30:22,946
People that didn't even
really know him, you know,
462
00:30:22,947 --> 00:30:24,822
like, just in tears.
463
00:30:28,202 --> 00:30:30,662
It was a combination
of people just being terrified
464
00:30:30,663 --> 00:30:32,497
and trying to understand stuff,
465
00:30:32,498 --> 00:30:34,165
and everybody
was so affected by it.
466
00:30:38,128 --> 00:30:39,879
I remember
when it was coming time
467
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,631
for him to be buried.
468
00:30:41,632 --> 00:30:44,467
It's still on the increase,
so keep an eye in the open...
469
00:30:44,468 --> 00:30:47,512
We actually got briefed.
470
00:30:47,513 --> 00:30:52,892
They wanted to let us know
that these satanic cults,
471
00:30:52,893 --> 00:30:58,231
if they believed that Tommy
was actually possessed,
472
00:30:58,232 --> 00:31:01,568
they would come
to try to dig the grave up,
473
00:31:01,569 --> 00:31:05,113
to take the long bones
of the body
474
00:31:05,114 --> 00:31:06,281
as something sacred.
475
00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:10,285
{\an8}I'm Gordon Coulter.
476
00:31:10,286 --> 00:31:12,579
{\an8}Today it's my privilege
to host this program
477
00:31:12,580 --> 00:31:15,206
{\an8}on a little-known area
in law enforcement.
478
00:31:15,207 --> 00:31:18,251
{\an8}It's the area of satanic cults.
479
00:31:18,252 --> 00:31:19,919
There are many different
satanic symbols.
480
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,671
{\an8}And, you know, you're told when
481
00:31:21,672 --> 00:31:23,423
{\an8}you go to the police academy
you're going to deal with
482
00:31:23,424 --> 00:31:25,925
{\an8}- all kinds of stuff.
- ...the anarchy...
483
00:31:25,926 --> 00:31:31,014
{\an8}But certainly not satanic,
demonic possessions.
484
00:31:31,015 --> 00:31:34,226
That was not in the training.
485
00:31:35,728 --> 00:31:37,645
Slayings that go unexplained.
486
00:31:37,646 --> 00:31:39,522
Symbols next to victims.
487
00:31:39,523 --> 00:31:42,567
Well, there's reports
all the time of occult activity.
488
00:31:42,568 --> 00:31:44,611
We've had reports of the youth
489
00:31:44,612 --> 00:31:46,362
becoming more and more
aware of this
490
00:31:46,363 --> 00:31:48,114
and more and more involved.
491
00:31:48,115 --> 00:31:50,158
Perhaps the most
dangerous kind of devil worship
492
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:52,827
comes in the form
of underground cults.
493
00:31:52,828 --> 00:31:54,746
Most of them are very secretive,
494
00:31:54,747 --> 00:31:57,666
usually organizing clandestine
rituals in the dark of night.
495
00:31:59,585 --> 00:32:01,502
Here in Northern New Jersey,
496
00:32:01,503 --> 00:32:04,672
there have been cultic groups
that have been active.
497
00:32:04,673 --> 00:32:06,466
There was recruiting.
498
00:32:08,844 --> 00:32:12,263
I believe that Tom
was connected to a group
499
00:32:12,264 --> 00:32:14,308
that had been involved
with grooming him.
500
00:32:15,309 --> 00:32:18,645
...as we welcome
our dark prince.
501
00:32:18,646 --> 00:32:21,981
And he was used as a tip
of the sword that night by evil.
502
00:32:21,982 --> 00:32:24,359
Hail Satan.
Hail Satan.
503
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,444
This is part of a continuum...
504
00:32:26,445 --> 00:32:29,239
and that Tom was
only one of the players.
505
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:31,699
There's a lot more.
506
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:36,121
We're looking at a small snippet
of what was taking place.
507
00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:38,206
Police take away boxes
508
00:32:38,207 --> 00:32:41,209
full of bones
and satanic paraphernalia.
509
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:43,252
We were standing
across the street,
510
00:32:43,253 --> 00:32:45,838
and they brought a mannequin
with blood.
511
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,716
Officials now think
mutilated dog carcasses
512
00:32:48,717 --> 00:32:50,885
found along a Millville Road
may have been the work
513
00:32:50,886 --> 00:32:52,512
of devil worshipers.
514
00:32:52,513 --> 00:32:54,305
Connecting cults
and the supernatural
515
00:32:54,306 --> 00:32:56,891
in New Jersey
isn't really a stretch.
516
00:32:56,892 --> 00:32:59,435
The line between what's real
and otherworldly
517
00:32:59,436 --> 00:33:01,229
has always felt
a little blurry here.
518
00:33:01,230 --> 00:33:03,398
...the outline
of something moving along
519
00:33:03,399 --> 00:33:05,858
in the woods, kept
right along the side of it.
520
00:33:05,859 --> 00:33:07,777
Take the Jersey Devil,
for example.
521
00:33:07,778 --> 00:33:10,530
They found tracks.
I found tracks.
522
00:33:10,531 --> 00:33:12,657
It's one of my favorite
campfire stories.
523
00:33:12,658 --> 00:33:15,159
This deformed, winged
child demon
524
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,245
with cloven hooves and a tail,
525
00:33:17,246 --> 00:33:20,415
born one stormy night
in Colonial America...
526
00:33:20,416 --> 00:33:22,917
The footprint was where
that green car is now.
527
00:33:22,918 --> 00:33:25,712
...and today said
to haunt the Pine Barrens.
528
00:33:25,713 --> 00:33:27,505
And then there's
Weird New Jersey,
529
00:33:27,506 --> 00:33:29,882
a magazine
which dives into the strange
530
00:33:29,883 --> 00:33:32,051
and paranormal happenings
around here,
531
00:33:32,052 --> 00:33:34,679
feeding the public's fascination
with the bizarre.
532
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,139
{\an8}Mutilated animals
showing up
533
00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:37,932
{\an8}by the dozens
in North Bergen.
534
00:33:37,933 --> 00:33:39,851
A grisly discovery in Newark.
535
00:33:39,852 --> 00:33:42,603
{\an8} Police found only
the victim's lower torso.
536
00:33:42,604 --> 00:33:44,605
When you add in
the media frenzy of the time...
537
00:33:44,606 --> 00:33:46,649
They use a cauldron.
They use human bones.
538
00:33:46,650 --> 00:33:50,153
...pouncing on stories of
satanic rituals, mind control,
539
00:33:50,154 --> 00:33:51,696
and dark pacts with the devil...
540
00:33:51,697 --> 00:33:53,406
Well, there are
a great number of people
541
00:33:53,407 --> 00:33:55,283
who believe
in that sort of thing.
542
00:33:55,284 --> 00:33:58,661
...well, every crime,
every unexplainable tragedy
543
00:33:58,662 --> 00:34:02,206
seemed to be part of a much
bigger, darker conspiracy.
544
00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:05,585
The perfect storm of local
folklore and real-life horror.
545
00:34:16,972 --> 00:34:18,931
The general feeling
at the time
546
00:34:18,932 --> 00:34:22,769
was that there were
underground satanic cults
547
00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:27,316
that were looking for
isolated places in the woods.
548
00:34:30,152 --> 00:34:31,986
We heard there was
this cult in the woods
549
00:34:31,987 --> 00:34:34,739
just a couple miles out of town.
550
00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:37,950
Animal sacrifices, pentagrams
carved in trees and stuff.
551
00:34:37,951 --> 00:34:40,787
The latest incident,
the bodies of six dead animals
552
00:34:40,788 --> 00:34:42,538
arranged on a pentagram.
553
00:34:42,539 --> 00:34:45,042
It's an area
infested with phenomenon.
554
00:34:47,211 --> 00:34:49,337
It's like a crescent,
from this part of Jersey
555
00:34:49,338 --> 00:34:51,464
all the way to Manhattan.
556
00:34:51,465 --> 00:34:54,968
It's a hotbed, if you will,
for occultic activity.
557
00:34:56,512 --> 00:34:58,971
Different stories
and different types
558
00:34:58,972 --> 00:35:00,598
of abuse and tragedies
559
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:03,351
and desecrations
of sacred places...
560
00:35:03,352 --> 00:35:05,478
The broken statue
of the Virgin Mary
561
00:35:05,479 --> 00:35:07,146
and a note that read,
562
00:35:07,147 --> 00:35:09,190
"It's Satan's power
which gives us strength."
563
00:35:09,191 --> 00:35:10,483
...and cults.
564
00:35:10,484 --> 00:35:11,943
Then he walked over to me
565
00:35:11,944 --> 00:35:13,903
and dripped the blood onto me
566
00:35:13,904 --> 00:35:16,739
and made the sign
of a pentagram.
567
00:35:23,789 --> 00:35:25,790
During the Gilded Age,
568
00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:28,918
which was around
the turn of the century,
569
00:35:28,919 --> 00:35:33,714
this area was a playground
for people from New York.
570
00:35:33,715 --> 00:35:36,926
It's putting aside
all worldly things
571
00:35:36,927 --> 00:35:39,554
in a purely spiritual act
of worship.
572
00:35:41,974 --> 00:35:43,558
Groups would meet,
573
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:46,185
and they would be debaucherous,
so to speak.
574
00:35:46,186 --> 00:35:49,106
They would also always involve
some sort of a sacrifice.
575
00:35:50,399 --> 00:35:51,607
Fidelio.
576
00:35:51,608 --> 00:35:53,359
If you know the film
"Eyes Wide Shut"
577
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,027
by Stanley Kubrick,
578
00:35:55,028 --> 00:35:56,238
that might give you
a little context.
579
00:35:59,408 --> 00:36:02,118
There was a massive estate
580
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:04,203
back at the turn
of the 20th century
581
00:36:04,204 --> 00:36:06,914
{\an8}built by an industrialist
named Richard Cross.
582
00:36:06,915 --> 00:36:10,418
{\an8}A bunch of freaky stuff
apparently went down there.
583
00:36:10,419 --> 00:36:15,590
Cross was an occultist
who had varied interests,
584
00:36:15,591 --> 00:36:19,594
would have these crazy parties
with the elite of New York.
585
00:36:21,471 --> 00:36:25,224
And apparently that's where
586
00:36:25,225 --> 00:36:27,603
these satanic rituals
were happening.
587
00:36:28,562 --> 00:36:30,938
And then by the time
we were kids,
588
00:36:30,939 --> 00:36:35,818
it was just a stone shell
of a once-huge mansion.
589
00:36:39,531 --> 00:36:41,157
During high school,
590
00:36:41,158 --> 00:36:44,244
one of those boring nights
we have nothing to do...
591
00:36:46,163 --> 00:36:48,122
we got our courage
and we're like,
592
00:36:48,123 --> 00:36:50,458
"Let's go walk through
the ruins of Cross Castle,"
593
00:36:50,459 --> 00:36:52,335
in the middle of the night.
594
00:36:58,091 --> 00:37:01,135
It's a really cool place
to visit during the day.
595
00:37:01,136 --> 00:37:02,971
At night... it's terrifying.
596
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:09,769
Because, first of all, does this
satanic cult in the woods exist?
597
00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:11,480
Is that real?
598
00:37:12,564 --> 00:37:17,944
If it does, how does that happen
under our noses, right?
599
00:37:17,945 --> 00:37:20,321
A pentagram where
mutilated ducks were found.
600
00:37:20,322 --> 00:37:21,781
{\an8}It's very scary to think
601
00:37:21,782 --> 00:37:24,450
{\an8}that it's right outside
your backyard.
602
00:37:24,451 --> 00:37:27,787
It seems like
there's a little bit more meat
603
00:37:27,788 --> 00:37:29,914
on the paranormal bone
in Jefferson
604
00:37:29,915 --> 00:37:31,208
than other places
that I've heard of.
605
00:37:33,961 --> 00:37:36,170
I don't think
it was unheard of
606
00:37:36,171 --> 00:37:40,174
that reports
of kind of strange gatherings
607
00:37:40,175 --> 00:37:41,759
or gatherings in the woods.
608
00:37:44,054 --> 00:37:46,264
It was a rural, suburban area.
609
00:37:47,975 --> 00:37:49,850
There's thousands
and thousands of acres
610
00:37:49,851 --> 00:37:52,395
that most people don't access.
611
00:37:52,396 --> 00:37:57,233
So it provides
an area of privacy.
612
00:37:57,234 --> 00:38:00,194
A lot of places where people
could get off on their own
613
00:38:00,195 --> 00:38:01,154
if they were doing rituals.
614
00:38:07,077 --> 00:38:10,663
I know of at least one,
personally, that I documented.
615
00:38:15,961 --> 00:38:18,546
A kind of occult type of scene.
616
00:38:18,547 --> 00:38:21,841
Candles and...
617
00:38:21,842 --> 00:38:24,385
Laying on the ground,
618
00:38:24,386 --> 00:38:26,929
there was half a coconut.
619
00:38:26,930 --> 00:38:31,392
And I saw that these
look like bandanas
620
00:38:31,393 --> 00:38:33,561
that had been around
somebody's head and on
621
00:38:33,562 --> 00:38:35,813
and taken off and tossed.
622
00:38:35,814 --> 00:38:37,691
And there were some, uh...
623
00:38:39,443 --> 00:38:43,988
hair remains,
like pieces of animals.
624
00:38:43,989 --> 00:38:46,282
We say, oh, this is
kind of weird, you know?
625
00:38:46,283 --> 00:38:48,951
Bits and pieces around.
626
00:38:48,952 --> 00:38:52,956
It was a little spooky because
it seemed to be so fresh.
627
00:38:54,916 --> 00:38:57,752
Somehow an animal
628
00:38:57,753 --> 00:39:02,173
apparently played
into this belief.
629
00:39:12,142 --> 00:39:14,394
I had a really strange
experience.
630
00:39:16,021 --> 00:39:17,397
I don't-- It's weird
even talking about it.
631
00:39:27,115 --> 00:39:30,035
So, Clinton Road
is just outside of town.
632
00:39:32,037 --> 00:39:33,537
No streetlights.
633
00:39:33,538 --> 00:39:35,998
Just inky, terrifying blackness
634
00:39:35,999 --> 00:39:37,208
with woods forever
on both sides.
635
00:39:44,216 --> 00:39:46,967
People were scared
to go into the area.
636
00:39:49,304 --> 00:39:52,681
It was deemed to be the
most haunted road in America...
637
00:39:52,682 --> 00:39:54,850
by people in North Jersey.
638
00:39:54,851 --> 00:39:57,770
And there were a lot of rumors
639
00:39:57,771 --> 00:40:00,982
and a lot of ghost stories
associated with Clinton Road.
640
00:40:02,025 --> 00:40:05,653
But I'm not really
a believer of that, right?
641
00:40:09,783 --> 00:40:11,909
Me and two buddies of mine...
642
00:40:16,331 --> 00:40:20,334
This is like a year and a half
later, you know, after Tom.
643
00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:27,258
And we're walking down
this path into the woods.
644
00:40:30,554 --> 00:40:32,346
And...
645
00:40:32,347 --> 00:40:35,516
crossing in front of us was...
646
00:40:42,232 --> 00:40:44,233
...a cloaked figure,
647
00:40:44,234 --> 00:40:46,444
like, wearing a mask.
648
00:40:48,947 --> 00:40:52,783
Like, what the quintessential
Satan worshiper would look like.
649
00:40:52,784 --> 00:40:56,412
And we stopped
dead in our tracks.
650
00:40:56,413 --> 00:40:58,622
No one was breathing.
651
00:40:58,623 --> 00:41:00,666
I look at him.
I'm like, "Dude, did you s--
652
00:41:00,667 --> 00:41:02,334
Like, am I the only one?"
And they're like,
653
00:41:02,335 --> 00:41:04,295
"We gotta get the fuck
out of here," right?
654
00:41:04,296 --> 00:41:05,839
And we just sprinted
back to the car.
655
00:41:08,133 --> 00:41:10,426
And we're like, "Was that real?"
656
00:41:10,427 --> 00:41:13,220
So we-- you had to have this--
657
00:41:13,221 --> 00:41:15,306
an honest moment with ourselves
658
00:41:15,307 --> 00:41:17,224
that, like, all
that we'd been hearing
659
00:41:17,225 --> 00:41:21,228
that we'd been dismissing
to religious zealots is true.
660
00:41:24,232 --> 00:41:26,984
Then it's like...
who's involved in it?
661
00:41:26,985 --> 00:41:29,945
Is it our teachers
or the guy at the deli?
662
00:41:29,946 --> 00:41:31,907
Is it our mailman?
Like, who is it?
663
00:41:33,116 --> 00:41:34,993
Everybody could be a suspect.
664
00:41:36,828 --> 00:41:39,831
So that was
a very sobering moment.
665
00:41:41,374 --> 00:41:44,001
Well, those ceremonies
sometimes involve the sharing
666
00:41:44,002 --> 00:41:46,545
of animal blood to gain power,
they say.
667
00:41:46,546 --> 00:41:48,547
But cult members
believe their strength
668
00:41:48,548 --> 00:41:50,549
really comes from secrecy.
669
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:52,301
Beyond a shadow of a doubt,
670
00:41:52,302 --> 00:41:55,304
there was stuff going on.
671
00:41:55,305 --> 00:41:57,765
And I believe
that Tom was involved
672
00:41:57,766 --> 00:42:02,061
with cultic activities
in the wooded areas
673
00:42:02,062 --> 00:42:06,273
months, months
before the murder.
674
00:42:10,695 --> 00:42:13,155
Tom was never the puppet master.
675
00:42:13,156 --> 00:42:14,740
He was always a puppet.
676
00:42:17,827 --> 00:42:19,620
One of the bigger fears
was that there was
677
00:42:19,621 --> 00:42:22,957
an underground satanistic cult
within the community,
678
00:42:22,958 --> 00:42:24,375
and they were afraid
that their children
679
00:42:24,376 --> 00:42:25,834
were gonna get involved in it.
680
00:42:25,835 --> 00:42:27,586
To this day,
it hasn't been proven.
681
00:42:27,587 --> 00:42:29,588
If there was,
it certainly wasn't as serious
682
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:31,674
as what Tommy Sullivan
was involved in
683
00:42:31,675 --> 00:42:33,634
because nobody else killed
their mother in that manner
684
00:42:33,635 --> 00:42:34,386
or violent way that he did.
685
00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:41,475
There was nothing that showed
that he was involved
686
00:42:41,476 --> 00:42:44,770
in any type of rituals
other than what he was
687
00:42:44,771 --> 00:42:46,731
learning about
through his own reading.
688
00:42:48,858 --> 00:42:50,859
There were enough skeptics
689
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:52,945
that it certainly kept
the conversation going.
690
00:42:55,073 --> 00:42:58,284
There are things
that can't be explained.
691
00:42:58,285 --> 00:43:00,077
{\an8}I would tell them,
"I feel the same way."
692
00:43:03,623 --> 00:43:08,168
{\an8}We had a 14-year-old boy write,
and this is what he did.
693
00:43:08,169 --> 00:43:10,963
And that's not to say
that the devil made him do it.
694
00:43:10,964 --> 00:43:13,674
It's just that
whatever he bought into
695
00:43:13,675 --> 00:43:19,888
in that belief system
somehow validated these...
696
00:43:19,889 --> 00:43:22,892
feelings of anger and hostility.
697
00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:28,355
So what we wanted to know was,
how did this come about
698
00:43:28,356 --> 00:43:30,274
and what was going on
with this family.
699
00:43:35,739 --> 00:43:39,783
1988, I was 19 years old.
700
00:43:39,784 --> 00:43:44,663
I was neighbors
of the Sullivan family.
701
00:43:44,664 --> 00:43:49,460
And the Sullivans
were like family to me.
702
00:43:49,461 --> 00:43:51,587
I may have bought
the satanic thing
703
00:43:51,588 --> 00:43:54,882
for a very short period of time
because that was the narrative,
704
00:43:54,883 --> 00:43:56,468
but there's no way.
705
00:43:59,054 --> 00:44:01,221
I think that
the police didn't do
706
00:44:01,222 --> 00:44:04,600
very much investigation at all,
and I just don't know
707
00:44:04,601 --> 00:44:08,020
that he would have killed
his own mother.
708
00:44:08,021 --> 00:44:10,690
Especially as brutally
as that was.
709
00:44:11,775 --> 00:44:14,234
Because I believe
Tommy Jr. is innocent
710
00:44:14,235 --> 00:44:17,446
of what he's being
accused of...
711
00:44:17,447 --> 00:44:19,574
and what he's been accused of
since 1988.
712
00:44:22,035 --> 00:44:25,537
And it has bothered me
for years and years and years
713
00:44:25,538 --> 00:44:29,501
that, you know, he was
depicted as a murderer.
714
00:44:31,711 --> 00:44:33,504
There's just no way.
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