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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,197 --> 00:00:33,575 {\an8}So, this rosary ring was found, 2 00:00:33,576 --> 00:00:34,410 {\an8}I believe, in Tom's room. 3 00:00:36,328 --> 00:00:37,705 {\an8}It's not meant to be worn around the neck. 4 00:00:39,248 --> 00:00:40,833 {\an8}It's an actual ring. 5 00:00:42,626 --> 00:00:44,461 {\an8}You wear it with the cross up 6 00:00:44,462 --> 00:00:46,504 {\an8}while you're saying the rosary. 7 00:00:46,505 --> 00:00:48,173 {\an8}But he takes it... 8 00:00:48,174 --> 00:00:50,425 {\an8}and is wearing it with the cross down. 9 00:00:50,426 --> 00:00:53,052 Do you understand? It's an inversion of the rosary. 10 00:00:57,141 --> 00:01:01,937 The fact that Tom wears it with the cross going down... 11 00:01:02,688 --> 00:01:04,314 That's not a rosary ring. 12 00:01:04,315 --> 00:01:05,899 That's a mocking 13 00:01:05,900 --> 00:01:08,943 of the Blessed Mother and the Lord Jesus. 14 00:01:08,944 --> 00:01:12,071 This is a mockery of all that is sacred. 15 00:01:12,072 --> 00:01:14,617 This is spitting in the face of God. 16 00:01:15,367 --> 00:01:18,119 14-year-old boy said to be obsessed by Satan 17 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,163 stabbed his mother to death over the weekend 18 00:01:20,164 --> 00:01:21,790 and then committed suicide. 19 00:01:21,791 --> 00:01:23,541 Over the past month, Tom had developed 20 00:01:23,542 --> 00:01:26,002 an unhealthy interest in Satan. 21 00:01:26,003 --> 00:01:27,670 I remember walking into his bedroom, 22 00:01:27,671 --> 00:01:30,632 and on the bed is where I saw some of the books. 23 00:01:30,633 --> 00:01:31,966 And opening the books, 24 00:01:31,967 --> 00:01:33,718 he had some pretty strange writings 25 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:36,721 of following Satan and giving his life to Satan. 26 00:01:36,722 --> 00:01:39,808 He was the neighborhood paperboy, a model student, 27 00:01:39,809 --> 00:01:42,977 and now, by his own admission, a satanic murderer. 28 00:01:42,978 --> 00:01:48,776 I believe that Tom Jr. had a relationship with Satan. 29 00:01:49,568 --> 00:01:53,572 Once a person is possessed, they have no control. 30 00:01:54,406 --> 00:01:55,490 In that basement... 31 00:01:56,909 --> 00:01:59,619 ...Tom was possessed 32 00:01:59,620 --> 00:02:02,205 by demonic forces 33 00:02:02,206 --> 00:02:03,791 to kill his mother. 34 00:02:05,668 --> 00:02:08,837 The killing of a mother by her son 35 00:02:08,838 --> 00:02:10,964 is beyond comprehension. 36 00:02:10,965 --> 00:02:13,883 It is not natural. It is not normal. 37 00:02:13,884 --> 00:02:17,096 It is anti-everything that's holy and good. 38 00:02:42,538 --> 00:02:46,040 Evil conjures a thousand images in our minds 39 00:02:46,041 --> 00:02:48,877 of twisted people, unspeakable acts, 40 00:02:48,878 --> 00:02:50,588 and dark ideas. 41 00:02:52,131 --> 00:02:54,257 It's the darkness we see in others 42 00:02:54,258 --> 00:02:58,428 and the darkness we fear lurks within ourselves. 43 00:02:58,429 --> 00:02:59,971 But what happens when that evil 44 00:02:59,972 --> 00:03:02,933 stops becoming a concept and takes shape? 45 00:03:04,518 --> 00:03:06,686 When Tommy Jr. killed his mother 46 00:03:06,687 --> 00:03:09,731 and turned a blade on himself, 47 00:03:09,732 --> 00:03:12,151 it pointed to something that defied logic. 48 00:03:14,153 --> 00:03:16,154 Something truly evil. 49 00:03:16,155 --> 00:03:18,239 Thomas Sullivan was 14 years old. 50 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:19,991 And as Dave Roddy reports, 51 00:03:19,992 --> 00:03:23,077 his father is trying to find a way to forgive him. 52 00:03:23,078 --> 00:03:24,370 I loved him dearly. 53 00:03:24,371 --> 00:03:27,040 But he also took my wife, who I loved. 54 00:03:33,088 --> 00:03:34,589 If you're saying to yourself something like this 55 00:03:34,590 --> 00:03:37,467 could never happen in your community, think again. 56 00:03:37,468 --> 00:03:39,385 Morris County police are broadening their investigation 57 00:03:39,386 --> 00:03:41,679 of a bizarre murder-suicide to determine 58 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,806 if it was linked to a local satanic cult. 59 00:03:43,807 --> 00:03:45,975 {\an8} According to police, Tom stabbed his mother 60 00:03:45,976 --> 00:03:48,394 {\an8}more than a dozen times with a small penknife. 61 00:03:48,395 --> 00:03:51,105 {\an8}The body of Betty Ann Sullivan was found in the basement. 62 00:03:51,106 --> 00:03:53,524 And the next day, the body of Tom Sullivan Jr. 63 00:03:53,525 --> 00:03:55,193 was found in the snow. 64 00:03:55,194 --> 00:03:57,528 He had slashed his wrist and throat. 65 00:03:57,529 --> 00:03:59,447 This was a brutal murder. 66 00:03:59,448 --> 00:04:03,034 This was a suicide that was, you know, very, very violent. 67 00:04:13,003 --> 00:04:16,130 The crime-scene photos and autopsy photos 68 00:04:16,131 --> 00:04:19,884 showed that he cut his wrist and then took the knife, 69 00:04:19,885 --> 00:04:21,844 put it from one ear to the other ear, 70 00:04:21,845 --> 00:04:23,388 and pulled it across his throat. 71 00:04:23,389 --> 00:04:24,555 Right across. 72 00:04:24,556 --> 00:04:26,976 Um, I mean, graphic. 73 00:04:28,686 --> 00:04:30,728 To see the picture of his head being back 74 00:04:30,729 --> 00:04:33,982 and to see this gaping hole... 75 00:04:33,983 --> 00:04:36,944 You know, to kill himself in the manner that he did... 76 00:04:38,404 --> 00:04:40,947 ...it promotes a lot of questions. 77 00:04:44,952 --> 00:04:46,828 For the average person, it's like, well, 78 00:04:46,829 --> 00:04:49,080 if he was under some influence of drugs, 79 00:04:49,081 --> 00:04:51,666 I mean, that can make people do all kinds of things. 80 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:53,793 But from the reports and, you know, 81 00:04:53,794 --> 00:04:55,586 speaking with the detectives at the time, 82 00:04:55,587 --> 00:04:57,714 there was no drugs, no alcohol. 83 00:04:57,715 --> 00:05:01,259 Um, you know, just, um... 84 00:05:01,260 --> 00:05:03,262 how did that happen? 85 00:05:05,389 --> 00:05:07,557 Tom Sullivan Jr. is described by neighbors 86 00:05:07,558 --> 00:05:09,183 as the all-American kid, 87 00:05:09,184 --> 00:05:11,644 an eighth-grader who loved baseball... 88 00:05:11,645 --> 00:05:13,688 How does a kid going to the school there 89 00:05:13,689 --> 00:05:15,815 and having all those advantages... 90 00:05:15,816 --> 00:05:20,570 You know, why did this 13-, 14-year-old, 91 00:05:20,571 --> 00:05:25,199 eighth-grade Catholic school kid do this? 92 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,037 {\an8} He told some kids that he had a vision, 93 00:05:29,038 --> 00:05:30,621 {\an8}that Satan came to him. 94 00:05:30,622 --> 00:05:32,958 {\an8}Satan had his face on it. 95 00:05:33,751 --> 00:05:35,293 {\an8}And Satan told him to kill his family 96 00:05:35,294 --> 00:05:37,545 {\an8}and then go out and preach Satanism. 97 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:44,802 {\an8} My understanding was 98 00:05:44,803 --> 00:05:46,763 {\an8}that Tommy had written a paper 99 00:05:46,764 --> 00:05:49,475 {\an8}on Satanism in class. 100 00:05:50,893 --> 00:05:54,270 {\an8} I believe the school paper started around October, 101 00:05:54,271 --> 00:05:57,524 {\an8}when it had to be done around the Thanksgiving holidays. 102 00:05:58,609 --> 00:06:03,654 Something within his research triggered his attachment to it, 103 00:06:03,655 --> 00:06:05,615 and then he just stayed involved in it. 104 00:06:05,616 --> 00:06:09,494 But it went downhill very quick with him. 105 00:06:09,495 --> 00:06:14,082 In just a couple of weeks, Tommy's behavior changed. 106 00:06:14,083 --> 00:06:15,958 It's just mind-blowing. It really is. 107 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:18,377 It's really hard to, you know, wrap your head around it. 108 00:06:18,378 --> 00:06:20,296 {\an8}It really is. 109 00:06:20,297 --> 00:06:22,590 {\an8} Family did say he was getting involved in Satanism, 110 00:06:22,591 --> 00:06:24,300 {\an8}and that's what people were worried about, 111 00:06:24,301 --> 00:06:25,968 {\an8}is him being possessed. 112 00:06:25,969 --> 00:06:28,054 Sister Philomena told us 113 00:06:28,055 --> 00:06:30,723 that they had been having some concerns about Tommy's behavior. 114 00:06:32,768 --> 00:06:35,103 I was like, "Well, let's go up to the school 115 00:06:35,104 --> 00:06:36,979 and find out what they can tell us." 116 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:48,825 The police were in my office the following morning, 117 00:06:48,826 --> 00:06:50,536 on Monday morning. 118 00:06:51,912 --> 00:06:53,454 They said, "We want to go 119 00:06:53,455 --> 00:06:56,416 and get all his books out of his desk." 120 00:06:57,334 --> 00:07:00,419 My first statement-- I felt I had to say it-- 121 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:03,965 was, "I have never dealt with anything like this before." 122 00:07:03,966 --> 00:07:08,052 And I believe it was Paul Hart who said... 123 00:07:08,053 --> 00:07:10,596 "Neither have we." 124 00:07:10,597 --> 00:07:14,225 It was very tense, to put it mildly. 125 00:07:14,226 --> 00:07:16,978 There was a lot of concern about what had gone on 126 00:07:16,979 --> 00:07:20,148 and how did this happen. 127 00:07:25,946 --> 00:07:28,698 The English teacher had them doing journals. 128 00:07:31,118 --> 00:07:33,411 She was just trying to get the students 129 00:07:33,412 --> 00:07:35,705 to put their thoughts down. 130 00:07:41,378 --> 00:07:44,213 The journal was personal, 131 00:07:44,214 --> 00:07:47,717 and I would never have looked at a child's journal, 132 00:07:47,718 --> 00:07:49,969 but the police could. 133 00:08:02,524 --> 00:08:06,819 They started each day by writing kind of a private journal. 134 00:08:20,876 --> 00:08:24,879 The initial sketches were of cartoon characters. 135 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,506 Mickey Mouse and all the things you would imagine 136 00:08:27,507 --> 00:08:30,176 that a teenager, you know, might be drawing. 137 00:08:36,934 --> 00:08:39,810 And then it progressively got darker. 138 00:08:39,811 --> 00:08:43,981 You know, it went from Mickey Mouse to pictures of, 139 00:08:43,982 --> 00:08:48,028 like, a horned person resembling maybe the devil. 140 00:08:51,448 --> 00:08:54,033 There were some pentagrams. 141 00:08:54,034 --> 00:08:58,329 And as it got kind of darker and darker, 142 00:08:58,330 --> 00:09:01,500 nothing came to light because it wasn't anything they shared. 143 00:09:03,085 --> 00:09:05,253 The sketchbook started taking on 144 00:09:05,254 --> 00:09:09,715 {\an8}a more ominous, angry feeling about it. 145 00:09:13,470 --> 00:09:17,223 Tommy was not happy. He was not a happy kid. 146 00:09:19,893 --> 00:09:25,147 Right away, you could see he was influenced, 147 00:09:25,148 --> 00:09:28,360 obsessed by the satanic world. 148 00:09:29,486 --> 00:09:32,154 The evidence of what he was thinking of 149 00:09:32,155 --> 00:09:35,200 on a daily basis was in that book. 150 00:09:37,119 --> 00:09:38,953 Along with Tommy's sketchbook, 151 00:09:38,954 --> 00:09:42,373 the Jefferson PD uncovered several journal entries, 152 00:09:42,374 --> 00:09:44,709 {\an8}such as this one. 153 00:09:44,710 --> 00:09:46,877 {\an8}"Today is really cool. 154 00:09:46,878 --> 00:09:49,297 {\an8}I really do hate God and love. 155 00:09:49,298 --> 00:09:51,716 {\an8}The devil is my idol. 156 00:09:51,717 --> 00:09:56,345 {\an8}I will rise and conquer the good of mankind for eternity. 157 00:09:56,346 --> 00:09:58,556 {\an8}And when the apocalypse comes around, 158 00:09:58,557 --> 00:10:01,935 {\an8}I will descend to hell to fulfill Lucifer's will. 159 00:10:02,853 --> 00:10:05,479 {\an8}Well, I really do have to go now. 160 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,357 {\an8}So, bye." 161 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:10,776 {\an8}I mean, this is his journal. 162 00:10:10,777 --> 00:10:12,862 {\an8}This isn't for public consumption. 163 00:10:12,863 --> 00:10:14,989 This is what he was really feeling. 164 00:10:30,297 --> 00:10:32,007 {\an8}Yeah. 165 00:10:33,050 --> 00:10:36,093 {\an8}I've studied that kind of imagery. 166 00:10:36,094 --> 00:10:37,887 {\an8}I think it reflects Tommy's 167 00:10:37,888 --> 00:10:40,765 {\an8}deep understanding of Satan or the occult. 168 00:10:40,766 --> 00:10:43,267 {\an8}And I see telltale signs there 169 00:10:43,268 --> 00:10:45,853 {\an8}of somebody who's in the know. 170 00:10:45,854 --> 00:10:49,732 {\an8}As a historian, I study Satanism. 171 00:10:49,733 --> 00:10:53,778 I'm an occultist. I'm a seeker. I'm on the path. 172 00:10:53,779 --> 00:10:56,364 And I document what I find on the path, 173 00:10:56,365 --> 00:10:58,950 both in terms of history and practice. 174 00:11:01,078 --> 00:11:04,705 To me, understanding the occult, 175 00:11:04,706 --> 00:11:07,124 participating in occult movements, 176 00:11:07,125 --> 00:11:08,918 requires skin in the game. 177 00:11:08,919 --> 00:11:12,588 {\an8}It requires a lot of hands-on research and practice. 178 00:11:15,258 --> 00:11:18,803 {\an8}So here we see he's holding the reverse crucifix 179 00:11:18,804 --> 00:11:21,055 {\an8}in his left hand. 180 00:11:21,056 --> 00:11:23,557 {\an8}And the left-hand path 181 00:11:23,558 --> 00:11:27,228 {\an8}is said to be the path of the satanic, 182 00:11:27,229 --> 00:11:31,816 {\an8}where the individual seeker is attempting 183 00:11:31,817 --> 00:11:37,321 {\an8}to develop certain superhuman powers-- 184 00:11:37,322 --> 00:11:41,742 {\an8}levitation or bilocation or super strength. 185 00:11:41,743 --> 00:11:46,997 {\an8}So the belief that the left-hand forces hold that power 186 00:11:46,998 --> 00:11:48,624 that maybe he was unable to find 187 00:11:48,625 --> 00:11:53,170 in the other, more conventional doorways 188 00:11:53,171 --> 00:11:54,755 that were open to him, 189 00:11:54,756 --> 00:11:57,925 he's calling on Satan to seek power. 190 00:12:00,637 --> 00:12:02,680 {\an8}This is fascinating to me 191 00:12:02,681 --> 00:12:07,351 {\an8}because what we're seeing in this image most obviously 192 00:12:07,352 --> 00:12:11,439 {\an8}is a horned figure with someone's severed head. 193 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:17,404 {\an8}This time, Tommy creates a language, a kind of script. 194 00:12:19,072 --> 00:12:22,199 {\an8}The words at the top of the image seem to me 195 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,037 {\an8}to be "evil world" written backwards. 196 00:12:27,372 --> 00:12:31,542 {\an8}One piece of satanic lore that runs through the ages 197 00:12:31,543 --> 00:12:33,419 is that demons, 198 00:12:33,420 --> 00:12:35,546 as the term is conventionally used, 199 00:12:35,547 --> 00:12:36,922 they like things backwards. 200 00:12:36,923 --> 00:12:40,176 {\an8}They like things upside down. 201 00:12:40,177 --> 00:12:42,803 {\an8}He clearly brought details 202 00:12:42,804 --> 00:12:45,681 {\an8}a little more sophisticated than you might find 203 00:12:45,682 --> 00:12:48,351 {\an8}in books from the local public library. 204 00:12:51,730 --> 00:12:55,483 {\an8}In this drawing, you're clearly seeing somebody 205 00:12:55,484 --> 00:12:58,194 {\an8}who is more fully grokking 206 00:12:58,195 --> 00:13:01,239 {\an8}to the brutalization of what he's depicting. 207 00:13:02,407 --> 00:13:05,242 {\an8} That drawing, during the investigation, 208 00:13:05,243 --> 00:13:07,369 {\an8}well, it's one of those pieces of information 209 00:13:07,370 --> 00:13:10,206 {\an8}that's stuck up here. 210 00:13:10,207 --> 00:13:13,335 {\an8} The victim has an expression of despair. 211 00:13:14,669 --> 00:13:16,837 {\an8}With the hand cut off, 212 00:13:16,838 --> 00:13:19,715 {\an8}damage to the body, to the head and the face. 213 00:13:19,716 --> 00:13:22,510 There's a... 214 00:13:22,511 --> 00:13:25,638 a reveling in cruelty in the image. 215 00:13:25,639 --> 00:13:28,974 {\an8}You would look at it and you could say... 216 00:13:28,975 --> 00:13:31,644 {\an8}that was a depiction, drawing 217 00:13:31,645 --> 00:13:34,688 {\an8}of ultimately what happened to his mother. 218 00:13:37,067 --> 00:13:39,985 Tommy wasn't alone in his interest 219 00:13:39,986 --> 00:13:42,905 {\an8}or in how he expressed himself. 220 00:13:42,906 --> 00:13:45,157 {\an8}I myself have stacks of notebooks 221 00:13:45,158 --> 00:13:47,826 {\an8}with similar drawings I made when I was his age. 222 00:13:57,045 --> 00:13:59,672 And the thing is, I turned out fine. 223 00:13:59,673 --> 00:14:01,924 In fact, those inspirations served me very well 224 00:14:01,925 --> 00:14:04,718 throughout my career and continue to do so. 225 00:14:04,719 --> 00:14:07,346 But sometimes the signs can't be ignored. 226 00:14:07,347 --> 00:14:08,806 As a parent now, 227 00:14:08,807 --> 00:14:10,558 I understand that fear of not knowing 228 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,059 what's going through my kid's head. 229 00:14:12,060 --> 00:14:14,395 How can I? And how could anyone know 230 00:14:14,396 --> 00:14:16,313 what was going through Tommy's mind 231 00:14:16,314 --> 00:14:18,232 and that he would cross that line 232 00:14:18,233 --> 00:14:21,026 from fantasy into something physical? 233 00:14:30,328 --> 00:14:34,790 That day when I talked to Tom in my office... 234 00:14:34,791 --> 00:14:37,001 Tom, can you tell me... 235 00:14:37,002 --> 00:14:39,921 ...the steel look in his eyes. 236 00:14:41,006 --> 00:14:44,383 I've never had anyone look at me like that, ever. 237 00:14:48,597 --> 00:14:52,017 He said, "It's too late." 238 00:14:53,643 --> 00:14:56,478 And I felt... 239 00:14:56,479 --> 00:14:58,105 it was too late. 240 00:15:05,530 --> 00:15:07,198 The whole room got cold. 241 00:15:08,450 --> 00:15:13,495 I was feeling... just so chilled. 242 00:15:13,496 --> 00:15:15,289 So... 243 00:15:15,290 --> 00:15:17,166 It's too late. 244 00:15:17,167 --> 00:15:20,002 I cannot describe it in words. 245 00:15:20,003 --> 00:15:23,380 I can only say... 246 00:15:23,381 --> 00:15:26,383 that, for me... 247 00:15:26,384 --> 00:15:28,803 that scared me the most. 248 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,474 Satan is real. 249 00:15:36,978 --> 00:15:40,023 Satan is the opposite... 250 00:15:42,525 --> 00:15:47,322 and the antagonist of God. 251 00:15:48,615 --> 00:15:51,992 It is very hard for me... 252 00:15:51,993 --> 00:15:55,829 to really... 253 00:15:55,830 --> 00:15:58,916 understand... 254 00:15:58,917 --> 00:16:00,876 evil. 255 00:16:00,877 --> 00:16:03,295 But I know it exists. 256 00:16:03,296 --> 00:16:05,924 And I know it takes people away. 257 00:16:06,841 --> 00:16:09,302 And I know that people choose evil. 258 00:16:11,805 --> 00:16:14,223 I walked back to my office. 259 00:16:14,224 --> 00:16:15,683 My vice principal said, 260 00:16:15,684 --> 00:16:18,268 "Did you want to speak to Mrs. Sullivan?" 261 00:16:18,269 --> 00:16:20,312 And I said, "Oh, yes." 262 00:16:20,313 --> 00:16:23,649 Betty Ann, it's good to see you. 263 00:16:23,650 --> 00:16:30,072 Mrs. Sullivan was a faithful volunteer in the school. 264 00:16:30,073 --> 00:16:33,200 At lunchtime, she would go into a classroom 265 00:16:33,201 --> 00:16:36,161 and be there for the kids as they were eating 266 00:16:36,162 --> 00:16:38,706 and then take them out on the playground. 267 00:16:38,707 --> 00:16:42,544 It was a heroic job, and she did it faithfully. 268 00:16:44,170 --> 00:16:46,588 She was a stay-at-home mom. 269 00:16:46,589 --> 00:16:48,632 She did not have any other job. 270 00:16:48,633 --> 00:16:51,635 So she made her children a priority. 271 00:16:51,636 --> 00:16:53,470 I wanted to check in with you... 272 00:16:53,471 --> 00:16:56,432 I said the children had come to me. 273 00:16:56,433 --> 00:17:00,102 They were concerned. The teachers are concerned. 274 00:17:00,103 --> 00:17:04,898 We're all concerned about what he's talking about, 275 00:17:04,899 --> 00:17:06,775 which includes Satan. 276 00:17:12,490 --> 00:17:13,866 She says, "I know all about it. 277 00:17:13,867 --> 00:17:16,034 He took every single book out of the library, 278 00:17:16,035 --> 00:17:18,787 and he read every single one cover to cover." 279 00:17:18,788 --> 00:17:20,664 And she said, "I was so glad he was reading. 280 00:17:20,665 --> 00:17:23,751 I didn't care what he read." 281 00:17:23,752 --> 00:17:26,837 And I said, "But there are other things to read." 282 00:17:29,424 --> 00:17:31,216 I said, "Please. 283 00:17:31,217 --> 00:17:33,510 I encourage you and your husband to talk to him." 284 00:17:36,264 --> 00:17:38,515 That was Thursday. 285 00:17:38,516 --> 00:17:41,227 Friday, we had a snow day. 286 00:17:42,061 --> 00:17:44,730 A 14-year old boy said to be obsessed by Satan 287 00:17:44,731 --> 00:17:46,982 stabbed his mother to death over the weekend 288 00:17:46,983 --> 00:17:48,609 and then committed suicide. 289 00:17:48,610 --> 00:17:52,321 He had killed his mother on Saturday night. 290 00:17:52,322 --> 00:17:56,201 And somewhere before they found him, he had killed himself. 291 00:17:58,036 --> 00:18:04,082 So now we had a homicide and a suicide in our school. 292 00:18:09,005 --> 00:18:12,967 Truth be told... I thought it was my fault. 293 00:18:15,970 --> 00:18:20,140 Because I asked her to talk to him. 294 00:18:24,521 --> 00:18:27,189 It's a horrible thing to think that in two weeks 295 00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:29,483 a young man could change 296 00:18:29,484 --> 00:18:34,530 and become this monster, you know... 297 00:18:34,531 --> 00:18:36,240 and this interest in Satan. 298 00:18:36,241 --> 00:18:39,493 No, there's not enough time for that to happen. 299 00:18:42,038 --> 00:18:43,622 It's obvious to me, 300 00:18:43,623 --> 00:18:46,834 based on what I've experienced in my own life 301 00:18:46,835 --> 00:18:49,545 and in ministry working with folks, 302 00:18:49,546 --> 00:18:51,630 that we're dealing with something here 303 00:18:51,631 --> 00:18:54,758 that is deeply dark, paranormal, 304 00:18:54,759 --> 00:18:58,136 nefarious, and dangerous... 305 00:18:58,137 --> 00:18:59,805 and real. 306 00:19:04,102 --> 00:19:06,478 Is it possible that Tommy was in touch 307 00:19:06,479 --> 00:19:10,232 with some kind of unseen entity, 308 00:19:10,233 --> 00:19:13,193 some sort of metaphysical presence, 309 00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:15,362 what a person might call possession? 310 00:19:15,363 --> 00:19:18,324 Of course it's possible. Of course it's possible. 311 00:19:20,451 --> 00:19:25,914 I do feel certain that there are some cases of possession 312 00:19:25,915 --> 00:19:28,626 that elude all explanation. 313 00:19:29,586 --> 00:19:31,545 I will never take the supernatural 314 00:19:31,546 --> 00:19:33,756 or the extraphysical off the table. 315 00:19:35,967 --> 00:19:40,762 Possession and exorcism are widely referenced topics 316 00:19:40,763 --> 00:19:42,973 that most everyone has heard of, 317 00:19:42,974 --> 00:19:46,561 due chiefly to entertainment. 318 00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:52,566 Take a look at the number of movies that involve Satanism. 319 00:19:52,567 --> 00:19:54,735 In "The Exorcist," it is the tremendous power 320 00:19:54,736 --> 00:19:57,613 of the devil himself controlling a little girl's body 321 00:19:57,614 --> 00:20:00,116 against the will of a priest. 322 00:20:01,117 --> 00:20:03,161 I love films about possession and evil. 323 00:20:04,954 --> 00:20:06,830 Movies like "Rosemary's Baby"... 324 00:20:06,831 --> 00:20:09,541 This is no dream! This is really happening! 325 00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:12,044 The power of Christ compels you! 326 00:20:12,045 --> 00:20:14,630 - ..."The Exorcist"... - It's all for you! 327 00:20:14,631 --> 00:20:17,049 ...and a personal favorite of mine, "The Omen," 328 00:20:17,050 --> 00:20:20,093 sparked a cultural wildfire. 329 00:20:20,094 --> 00:20:22,971 But they weren't just about the supernatural horror. 330 00:20:22,972 --> 00:20:25,766 They were stories about regular, everyday people 331 00:20:25,767 --> 00:20:28,310 thrust into something they couldn't explain. 332 00:20:28,311 --> 00:20:31,689 And that's terrifying. It hits you on a primal level. 333 00:20:33,942 --> 00:20:37,778 "The Exorcist" was based on the true case of Roland Doe, 334 00:20:37,779 --> 00:20:40,739 a boy in the 1940s who allegedly became possessed 335 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:41,908 after using a Ouija board. 336 00:20:44,369 --> 00:20:48,080 His story spread, sparking a debate. 337 00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:51,541 Was it possession or something else? 338 00:20:53,294 --> 00:20:56,254 By fictionalizing Doe's story into "The Exorcist," 339 00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:59,132 filmmakers took that fear and amplified it, 340 00:20:59,133 --> 00:21:01,134 shaping a generation into thinking 341 00:21:01,135 --> 00:21:04,973 that anything strange could be a sign of the devil. 342 00:21:06,057 --> 00:21:10,185 Oh, God, son of God. Unconquered might! 343 00:21:10,186 --> 00:21:12,521 How many exorcisms have you performed yourself? 344 00:21:12,522 --> 00:21:14,606 {\an8}I've been doing it for about five years now 345 00:21:14,607 --> 00:21:16,650 {\an8}and about 20 a year, so it's about 100. 346 00:21:16,651 --> 00:21:21,321 {\an8}There's been an uptick of supposed possession cases 347 00:21:21,322 --> 00:21:24,366 over the past 20 years or so here in the United States, 348 00:21:24,367 --> 00:21:27,327 so much so that the Vatican 349 00:21:27,328 --> 00:21:30,872 has just about quintupled 350 00:21:30,873 --> 00:21:35,460 the number of church-sanctioned exorcists here in the U.S. 351 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:40,048 {\an8}It is deeply controversial, and yet word 352 00:21:40,049 --> 00:21:42,926 {\an8}from a conference in Italy is that more priests 353 00:21:42,927 --> 00:21:45,178 {\an8}are to be trained in exorcism. 354 00:21:54,647 --> 00:21:56,523 I have the feeling in my hands. 355 00:21:56,524 --> 00:21:59,401 I didn't move them myself. 356 00:21:59,402 --> 00:22:01,111 They were moved for me. 357 00:22:01,112 --> 00:22:03,113 Rest in peace... 358 00:22:03,114 --> 00:22:07,284 I have performed what we refer to in the church as exorcism. 359 00:22:09,662 --> 00:22:15,417 I've seen a woman where there was spirit 360 00:22:15,418 --> 00:22:19,713 that were literally fighting her from her body... 361 00:22:21,591 --> 00:22:24,176 ...like fists coming out of her, so to speak, 362 00:22:24,177 --> 00:22:27,180 punching me while I was praying for her. 363 00:22:29,140 --> 00:22:34,936 I've spoken to people that have been controlled by evil. 364 00:22:34,937 --> 00:22:38,732 Their eyes change. Their voices change. 365 00:22:38,733 --> 00:22:40,317 You feel a presence. 366 00:22:40,318 --> 00:22:43,570 You sense beyond the shadow of a doubt 367 00:22:43,571 --> 00:22:46,157 you are not with the regular person that you know. 368 00:23:00,838 --> 00:23:03,548 Tom Sullivan's found. 369 00:23:03,549 --> 00:23:05,384 Wrist cut. 370 00:23:06,344 --> 00:23:10,097 And then neck cut all the way to the bone. 371 00:23:10,098 --> 00:23:13,267 And the head just hanging on by the neck bone. 372 00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:17,270 Now, what, did the person cut his neck and then do his-- 373 00:23:17,271 --> 00:23:19,564 These? His hands? No. 374 00:23:19,565 --> 00:23:22,651 Or do the hands first and then do-- No. 375 00:23:22,652 --> 00:23:24,487 It's not possible. 376 00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:27,823 There was something otherworldly about it... 377 00:23:27,824 --> 00:23:30,118 as if he was controlled or possessed by a spirit. 378 00:23:43,798 --> 00:23:46,550 Usually an individual gets possessed 379 00:23:46,551 --> 00:23:52,389 by something that he or she has not gone looking for. 380 00:24:01,149 --> 00:24:03,901 But Tommy willfully sought this experience. 381 00:24:09,991 --> 00:24:13,786 So I wouldn't specifically describe it as possession. 382 00:24:14,704 --> 00:24:16,830 Something takes possession of you. 383 00:24:16,831 --> 00:24:19,708 It's not an invited guest. 384 00:24:19,709 --> 00:24:21,376 If Tommy got in touch with something, 385 00:24:21,377 --> 00:24:23,171 it was an invited guest. 386 00:24:39,979 --> 00:24:42,856 When Tom wrote a pact with Satan, 387 00:24:42,857 --> 00:24:45,984 it was like a legal contract, if you will. 388 00:24:50,031 --> 00:24:53,492 {\an8}The whole story is in the pact that he wrote. 389 00:24:56,078 --> 00:24:57,162 Alright. So... 390 00:24:57,163 --> 00:24:58,705 "To the greatest demons of hell. 391 00:24:58,706 --> 00:25:00,999 I, Tom Sullivan, would like to make 392 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,294 a solemn exchange with you." 393 00:25:04,045 --> 00:25:07,923 If you give me the most extreme of all magical powers... 394 00:25:13,888 --> 00:25:16,264 ...I will use them wisely 395 00:25:16,265 --> 00:25:19,351 to tempt as many people as possible 396 00:25:19,352 --> 00:25:21,771 and to do evil and follow you." 397 00:25:23,564 --> 00:25:27,235 This is so disconcerting. To actually see it written. 398 00:25:29,237 --> 00:25:32,072 When you play with evil at this level... 399 00:25:33,574 --> 00:25:39,287 ...and you call upon the deceiver directly 400 00:25:39,288 --> 00:25:41,206 and the hounds of hell... 401 00:25:43,459 --> 00:25:45,335 ...they will respond. 402 00:25:51,175 --> 00:25:52,468 They will respond. 403 00:25:55,054 --> 00:25:57,639 Tommy, what are you doing down here? 404 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,307 You should be in bed. 405 00:25:59,308 --> 00:26:01,935 {\an8} "I will kill many Christian followers 406 00:26:01,936 --> 00:26:04,437 {\an8}who are serious in their religious beliefs." 407 00:26:04,438 --> 00:26:06,773 {\an8}Hm. 408 00:26:06,774 --> 00:26:08,484 It just, uh... 409 00:26:10,111 --> 00:26:11,945 It's so deliberate. 410 00:26:11,946 --> 00:26:13,571 I don't know what's gotten into you. 411 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:15,074 I really don't. 412 00:26:17,785 --> 00:26:20,036 It was spiritual forces... 413 00:26:20,037 --> 00:26:22,289 You won't even talk to me anymore. 414 00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:23,832 ...that can manifest... 415 00:26:23,833 --> 00:26:25,041 I'm really worried about you. 416 00:26:25,042 --> 00:26:26,960 ...in the physical realm. 417 00:26:26,961 --> 00:26:29,671 How am I supposed to help you if you won't talk to me? 418 00:26:35,886 --> 00:26:40,598 And when you make a pact with a deity... 419 00:26:47,648 --> 00:26:48,941 ...there has to be a sacrifice. 420 00:26:52,069 --> 00:26:54,696 Die, Mother! Die! 421 00:26:54,697 --> 00:26:57,283 Mother, die! Die! Die! 422 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,078 "Throughout my new life... 423 00:27:03,706 --> 00:27:06,833 I promise to perform any satanic rituals. 424 00:27:12,131 --> 00:27:16,718 I will do these to prove my loyalty to the demons of hell." 425 00:27:20,097 --> 00:27:22,766 He's giving himself, bargaining. 426 00:27:22,767 --> 00:27:28,063 I mean, it's determined, even-keeled, well thought-out. 427 00:27:28,064 --> 00:27:29,189 Wow. 428 00:27:42,078 --> 00:27:44,496 "Exactly 20 years from this day... 429 00:27:45,956 --> 00:27:48,209 ...I promise to commit suicide. 430 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,296 At this time, I will go directly to hell 431 00:27:53,297 --> 00:27:56,091 and to work with you as a demon. 432 00:27:57,843 --> 00:28:01,805 I believe that evil will once again rise 433 00:28:01,806 --> 00:28:04,015 and conquer the love of God." 434 00:28:17,196 --> 00:28:22,076 "If this pact is to your approval, sign below." 435 00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:34,129 He was not conscious of what he was doing 436 00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:36,756 when he slit his throat. 437 00:28:36,757 --> 00:28:38,466 He could be there himself, 438 00:28:38,467 --> 00:28:42,138 but the entities that were there worked through him. 439 00:28:43,013 --> 00:28:45,640 In fact, I wouldn't say it was a suicide. 440 00:28:45,641 --> 00:28:48,685 I'd say it was a double murder. 441 00:28:48,686 --> 00:28:51,312 Tom killed his mother. 442 00:28:51,313 --> 00:28:53,231 But Tom was killed 443 00:28:53,232 --> 00:28:56,776 by the entity that killed his mother through Tom. 444 00:29:09,123 --> 00:29:12,292 Committing that you're gonna murder your family. 445 00:29:14,962 --> 00:29:18,299 {\an8}That's the part that gets people all freaked out. 446 00:29:20,009 --> 00:29:21,551 {\an8}And that's where he writes on the side, 447 00:29:21,552 --> 00:29:23,511 {\an8}"I've already killed my family." 448 00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:26,681 {\an8}I mean, it gives me chills right now, 449 00:29:26,682 --> 00:29:28,475 even just reading it again. 450 00:29:28,476 --> 00:29:30,018 Whew. Wow. 451 00:29:30,019 --> 00:29:32,188 I haven't seen this in quite some time. 452 00:29:33,272 --> 00:29:34,732 Interesting. 453 00:29:36,734 --> 00:29:37,985 Hm. 454 00:29:39,069 --> 00:29:42,405 You have to surmise he was definitely taken over by, 455 00:29:42,406 --> 00:29:47,285 you know, an outside force, you know, the devil. 456 00:30:03,761 --> 00:30:06,471 I remember, you know, being at the funeral. 457 00:30:08,724 --> 00:30:11,893 You could barely even get in the church. 458 00:30:11,894 --> 00:30:14,479 Everybody showed up. 459 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,105 I mean, the whole school was there. 460 00:30:16,106 --> 00:30:17,358 Like, the whole town was there. 461 00:30:20,694 --> 00:30:22,946 People that didn't even really know him, you know, 462 00:30:22,947 --> 00:30:24,822 like, just in tears. 463 00:30:28,202 --> 00:30:30,662 It was a combination of people just being terrified 464 00:30:30,663 --> 00:30:32,497 and trying to understand stuff, 465 00:30:32,498 --> 00:30:34,165 and everybody was so affected by it. 466 00:30:38,128 --> 00:30:39,879 I remember when it was coming time 467 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,631 for him to be buried. 468 00:30:41,632 --> 00:30:44,467 It's still on the increase, so keep an eye in the open... 469 00:30:44,468 --> 00:30:47,512 We actually got briefed. 470 00:30:47,513 --> 00:30:52,892 They wanted to let us know that these satanic cults, 471 00:30:52,893 --> 00:30:58,231 if they believed that Tommy was actually possessed, 472 00:30:58,232 --> 00:31:01,568 they would come to try to dig the grave up, 473 00:31:01,569 --> 00:31:05,113 to take the long bones of the body 474 00:31:05,114 --> 00:31:06,281 as something sacred. 475 00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:10,285 {\an8}I'm Gordon Coulter. 476 00:31:10,286 --> 00:31:12,579 {\an8}Today it's my privilege to host this program 477 00:31:12,580 --> 00:31:15,206 {\an8}on a little-known area in law enforcement. 478 00:31:15,207 --> 00:31:18,251 {\an8}It's the area of satanic cults. 479 00:31:18,252 --> 00:31:19,919 There are many different satanic symbols. 480 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,671 {\an8}And, you know, you're told when 481 00:31:21,672 --> 00:31:23,423 {\an8}you go to the police academy you're going to deal with 482 00:31:23,424 --> 00:31:25,925 {\an8}- all kinds of stuff. - ...the anarchy... 483 00:31:25,926 --> 00:31:31,014 {\an8}But certainly not satanic, demonic possessions. 484 00:31:31,015 --> 00:31:34,226 That was not in the training. 485 00:31:35,728 --> 00:31:37,645 Slayings that go unexplained. 486 00:31:37,646 --> 00:31:39,522 Symbols next to victims. 487 00:31:39,523 --> 00:31:42,567 Well, there's reports all the time of occult activity. 488 00:31:42,568 --> 00:31:44,611 We've had reports of the youth 489 00:31:44,612 --> 00:31:46,362 becoming more and more aware of this 490 00:31:46,363 --> 00:31:48,114 and more and more involved. 491 00:31:48,115 --> 00:31:50,158 Perhaps the most dangerous kind of devil worship 492 00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:52,827 comes in the form of underground cults. 493 00:31:52,828 --> 00:31:54,746 Most of them are very secretive, 494 00:31:54,747 --> 00:31:57,666 usually organizing clandestine rituals in the dark of night. 495 00:31:59,585 --> 00:32:01,502 Here in Northern New Jersey, 496 00:32:01,503 --> 00:32:04,672 there have been cultic groups that have been active. 497 00:32:04,673 --> 00:32:06,466 There was recruiting. 498 00:32:08,844 --> 00:32:12,263 I believe that Tom was connected to a group 499 00:32:12,264 --> 00:32:14,308 that had been involved with grooming him. 500 00:32:15,309 --> 00:32:18,645 ...as we welcome our dark prince. 501 00:32:18,646 --> 00:32:21,981 And he was used as a tip of the sword that night by evil. 502 00:32:21,982 --> 00:32:24,359 Hail Satan. Hail Satan. 503 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,444 This is part of a continuum... 504 00:32:26,445 --> 00:32:29,239 and that Tom was only one of the players. 505 00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:31,699 There's a lot more. 506 00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:36,121 We're looking at a small snippet of what was taking place. 507 00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:38,206 Police take away boxes 508 00:32:38,207 --> 00:32:41,209 full of bones and satanic paraphernalia. 509 00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:43,252 We were standing across the street, 510 00:32:43,253 --> 00:32:45,838 and they brought a mannequin with blood. 511 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,716 Officials now think mutilated dog carcasses 512 00:32:48,717 --> 00:32:50,885 found along a Millville Road may have been the work 513 00:32:50,886 --> 00:32:52,512 of devil worshipers. 514 00:32:52,513 --> 00:32:54,305 Connecting cults and the supernatural 515 00:32:54,306 --> 00:32:56,891 in New Jersey isn't really a stretch. 516 00:32:56,892 --> 00:32:59,435 The line between what's real and otherworldly 517 00:32:59,436 --> 00:33:01,229 has always felt a little blurry here. 518 00:33:01,230 --> 00:33:03,398 ...the outline of something moving along 519 00:33:03,399 --> 00:33:05,858 in the woods, kept right along the side of it. 520 00:33:05,859 --> 00:33:07,777 Take the Jersey Devil, for example. 521 00:33:07,778 --> 00:33:10,530 They found tracks. I found tracks. 522 00:33:10,531 --> 00:33:12,657 It's one of my favorite campfire stories. 523 00:33:12,658 --> 00:33:15,159 This deformed, winged child demon 524 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,245 with cloven hooves and a tail, 525 00:33:17,246 --> 00:33:20,415 born one stormy night in Colonial America... 526 00:33:20,416 --> 00:33:22,917 The footprint was where that green car is now. 527 00:33:22,918 --> 00:33:25,712 ...and today said to haunt the Pine Barrens. 528 00:33:25,713 --> 00:33:27,505 And then there's Weird New Jersey, 529 00:33:27,506 --> 00:33:29,882 a magazine which dives into the strange 530 00:33:29,883 --> 00:33:32,051 and paranormal happenings around here, 531 00:33:32,052 --> 00:33:34,679 feeding the public's fascination with the bizarre. 532 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,139 {\an8}Mutilated animals showing up 533 00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:37,932 {\an8}by the dozens in North Bergen. 534 00:33:37,933 --> 00:33:39,851 A grisly discovery in Newark. 535 00:33:39,852 --> 00:33:42,603 {\an8} Police found only the victim's lower torso. 536 00:33:42,604 --> 00:33:44,605 When you add in the media frenzy of the time... 537 00:33:44,606 --> 00:33:46,649 They use a cauldron. They use human bones. 538 00:33:46,650 --> 00:33:50,153 ...pouncing on stories of satanic rituals, mind control, 539 00:33:50,154 --> 00:33:51,696 and dark pacts with the devil... 540 00:33:51,697 --> 00:33:53,406 Well, there are a great number of people 541 00:33:53,407 --> 00:33:55,283 who believe in that sort of thing. 542 00:33:55,284 --> 00:33:58,661 ...well, every crime, every unexplainable tragedy 543 00:33:58,662 --> 00:34:02,206 seemed to be part of a much bigger, darker conspiracy. 544 00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:05,585 The perfect storm of local folklore and real-life horror. 545 00:34:16,972 --> 00:34:18,931 The general feeling at the time 546 00:34:18,932 --> 00:34:22,769 was that there were underground satanic cults 547 00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:27,316 that were looking for isolated places in the woods. 548 00:34:30,152 --> 00:34:31,986 We heard there was this cult in the woods 549 00:34:31,987 --> 00:34:34,739 just a couple miles out of town. 550 00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:37,950 Animal sacrifices, pentagrams carved in trees and stuff. 551 00:34:37,951 --> 00:34:40,787 The latest incident, the bodies of six dead animals 552 00:34:40,788 --> 00:34:42,538 arranged on a pentagram. 553 00:34:42,539 --> 00:34:45,042 It's an area infested with phenomenon. 554 00:34:47,211 --> 00:34:49,337 It's like a crescent, from this part of Jersey 555 00:34:49,338 --> 00:34:51,464 all the way to Manhattan. 556 00:34:51,465 --> 00:34:54,968 It's a hotbed, if you will, for occultic activity. 557 00:34:56,512 --> 00:34:58,971 Different stories and different types 558 00:34:58,972 --> 00:35:00,598 of abuse and tragedies 559 00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:03,351 and desecrations of sacred places... 560 00:35:03,352 --> 00:35:05,478 The broken statue of the Virgin Mary 561 00:35:05,479 --> 00:35:07,146 and a note that read, 562 00:35:07,147 --> 00:35:09,190 "It's Satan's power which gives us strength." 563 00:35:09,191 --> 00:35:10,483 ...and cults. 564 00:35:10,484 --> 00:35:11,943 Then he walked over to me 565 00:35:11,944 --> 00:35:13,903 and dripped the blood onto me 566 00:35:13,904 --> 00:35:16,739 and made the sign of a pentagram. 567 00:35:23,789 --> 00:35:25,790 During the Gilded Age, 568 00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:28,918 which was around the turn of the century, 569 00:35:28,919 --> 00:35:33,714 this area was a playground for people from New York. 570 00:35:33,715 --> 00:35:36,926 It's putting aside all worldly things 571 00:35:36,927 --> 00:35:39,554 in a purely spiritual act of worship. 572 00:35:41,974 --> 00:35:43,558 Groups would meet, 573 00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:46,185 and they would be debaucherous, so to speak. 574 00:35:46,186 --> 00:35:49,106 They would also always involve some sort of a sacrifice. 575 00:35:50,399 --> 00:35:51,607 Fidelio. 576 00:35:51,608 --> 00:35:53,359 If you know the film "Eyes Wide Shut" 577 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,027 by Stanley Kubrick, 578 00:35:55,028 --> 00:35:56,238 that might give you a little context. 579 00:35:59,408 --> 00:36:02,118 There was a massive estate 580 00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:04,203 back at the turn of the 20th century 581 00:36:04,204 --> 00:36:06,914 {\an8}built by an industrialist named Richard Cross. 582 00:36:06,915 --> 00:36:10,418 {\an8}A bunch of freaky stuff apparently went down there. 583 00:36:10,419 --> 00:36:15,590 Cross was an occultist who had varied interests, 584 00:36:15,591 --> 00:36:19,594 would have these crazy parties with the elite of New York. 585 00:36:21,471 --> 00:36:25,224 And apparently that's where 586 00:36:25,225 --> 00:36:27,603 these satanic rituals were happening. 587 00:36:28,562 --> 00:36:30,938 And then by the time we were kids, 588 00:36:30,939 --> 00:36:35,818 it was just a stone shell of a once-huge mansion. 589 00:36:39,531 --> 00:36:41,157 During high school, 590 00:36:41,158 --> 00:36:44,244 one of those boring nights we have nothing to do... 591 00:36:46,163 --> 00:36:48,122 we got our courage and we're like, 592 00:36:48,123 --> 00:36:50,458 "Let's go walk through the ruins of Cross Castle," 593 00:36:50,459 --> 00:36:52,335 in the middle of the night. 594 00:36:58,091 --> 00:37:01,135 It's a really cool place to visit during the day. 595 00:37:01,136 --> 00:37:02,971 At night... it's terrifying. 596 00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:09,769 Because, first of all, does this satanic cult in the woods exist? 597 00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:11,480 Is that real? 598 00:37:12,564 --> 00:37:17,944 If it does, how does that happen under our noses, right? 599 00:37:17,945 --> 00:37:20,321 A pentagram where mutilated ducks were found. 600 00:37:20,322 --> 00:37:21,781 {\an8}It's very scary to think 601 00:37:21,782 --> 00:37:24,450 {\an8}that it's right outside your backyard. 602 00:37:24,451 --> 00:37:27,787 It seems like there's a little bit more meat 603 00:37:27,788 --> 00:37:29,914 on the paranormal bone in Jefferson 604 00:37:29,915 --> 00:37:31,208 than other places that I've heard of. 605 00:37:33,961 --> 00:37:36,170 I don't think it was unheard of 606 00:37:36,171 --> 00:37:40,174 that reports of kind of strange gatherings 607 00:37:40,175 --> 00:37:41,759 or gatherings in the woods. 608 00:37:44,054 --> 00:37:46,264 It was a rural, suburban area. 609 00:37:47,975 --> 00:37:49,850 There's thousands and thousands of acres 610 00:37:49,851 --> 00:37:52,395 that most people don't access. 611 00:37:52,396 --> 00:37:57,233 So it provides an area of privacy. 612 00:37:57,234 --> 00:38:00,194 A lot of places where people could get off on their own 613 00:38:00,195 --> 00:38:01,154 if they were doing rituals. 614 00:38:07,077 --> 00:38:10,663 I know of at least one, personally, that I documented. 615 00:38:15,961 --> 00:38:18,546 A kind of occult type of scene. 616 00:38:18,547 --> 00:38:21,841 Candles and... 617 00:38:21,842 --> 00:38:24,385 Laying on the ground, 618 00:38:24,386 --> 00:38:26,929 there was half a coconut. 619 00:38:26,930 --> 00:38:31,392 And I saw that these look like bandanas 620 00:38:31,393 --> 00:38:33,561 that had been around somebody's head and on 621 00:38:33,562 --> 00:38:35,813 and taken off and tossed. 622 00:38:35,814 --> 00:38:37,691 And there were some, uh... 623 00:38:39,443 --> 00:38:43,988 hair remains, like pieces of animals. 624 00:38:43,989 --> 00:38:46,282 We say, oh, this is kind of weird, you know? 625 00:38:46,283 --> 00:38:48,951 Bits and pieces around. 626 00:38:48,952 --> 00:38:52,956 It was a little spooky because it seemed to be so fresh. 627 00:38:54,916 --> 00:38:57,752 Somehow an animal 628 00:38:57,753 --> 00:39:02,173 apparently played into this belief. 629 00:39:12,142 --> 00:39:14,394 I had a really strange experience. 630 00:39:16,021 --> 00:39:17,397 I don't-- It's weird even talking about it. 631 00:39:27,115 --> 00:39:30,035 So, Clinton Road is just outside of town. 632 00:39:32,037 --> 00:39:33,537 No streetlights. 633 00:39:33,538 --> 00:39:35,998 Just inky, terrifying blackness 634 00:39:35,999 --> 00:39:37,208 with woods forever on both sides. 635 00:39:44,216 --> 00:39:46,967 People were scared to go into the area. 636 00:39:49,304 --> 00:39:52,681 It was deemed to be the most haunted road in America... 637 00:39:52,682 --> 00:39:54,850 by people in North Jersey. 638 00:39:54,851 --> 00:39:57,770 And there were a lot of rumors 639 00:39:57,771 --> 00:40:00,982 and a lot of ghost stories associated with Clinton Road. 640 00:40:02,025 --> 00:40:05,653 But I'm not really a believer of that, right? 641 00:40:09,783 --> 00:40:11,909 Me and two buddies of mine... 642 00:40:16,331 --> 00:40:20,334 This is like a year and a half later, you know, after Tom. 643 00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:27,258 And we're walking down this path into the woods. 644 00:40:30,554 --> 00:40:32,346 And... 645 00:40:32,347 --> 00:40:35,516 crossing in front of us was... 646 00:40:42,232 --> 00:40:44,233 ...a cloaked figure, 647 00:40:44,234 --> 00:40:46,444 like, wearing a mask. 648 00:40:48,947 --> 00:40:52,783 Like, what the quintessential Satan worshiper would look like. 649 00:40:52,784 --> 00:40:56,412 And we stopped dead in our tracks. 650 00:40:56,413 --> 00:40:58,622 No one was breathing. 651 00:40:58,623 --> 00:41:00,666 I look at him. I'm like, "Dude, did you s-- 652 00:41:00,667 --> 00:41:02,334 Like, am I the only one?" And they're like, 653 00:41:02,335 --> 00:41:04,295 "We gotta get the fuck out of here," right? 654 00:41:04,296 --> 00:41:05,839 And we just sprinted back to the car. 655 00:41:08,133 --> 00:41:10,426 And we're like, "Was that real?" 656 00:41:10,427 --> 00:41:13,220 So we-- you had to have this-- 657 00:41:13,221 --> 00:41:15,306 an honest moment with ourselves 658 00:41:15,307 --> 00:41:17,224 that, like, all that we'd been hearing 659 00:41:17,225 --> 00:41:21,228 that we'd been dismissing to religious zealots is true. 660 00:41:24,232 --> 00:41:26,984 Then it's like... who's involved in it? 661 00:41:26,985 --> 00:41:29,945 Is it our teachers or the guy at the deli? 662 00:41:29,946 --> 00:41:31,907 Is it our mailman? Like, who is it? 663 00:41:33,116 --> 00:41:34,993 Everybody could be a suspect. 664 00:41:36,828 --> 00:41:39,831 So that was a very sobering moment. 665 00:41:41,374 --> 00:41:44,001 Well, those ceremonies sometimes involve the sharing 666 00:41:44,002 --> 00:41:46,545 of animal blood to gain power, they say. 667 00:41:46,546 --> 00:41:48,547 But cult members believe their strength 668 00:41:48,548 --> 00:41:50,549 really comes from secrecy. 669 00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:52,301 Beyond a shadow of a doubt, 670 00:41:52,302 --> 00:41:55,304 there was stuff going on. 671 00:41:55,305 --> 00:41:57,765 And I believe that Tom was involved 672 00:41:57,766 --> 00:42:02,061 with cultic activities in the wooded areas 673 00:42:02,062 --> 00:42:06,273 months, months before the murder. 674 00:42:10,695 --> 00:42:13,155 Tom was never the puppet master. 675 00:42:13,156 --> 00:42:14,740 He was always a puppet. 676 00:42:17,827 --> 00:42:19,620 One of the bigger fears was that there was 677 00:42:19,621 --> 00:42:22,957 an underground satanistic cult within the community, 678 00:42:22,958 --> 00:42:24,375 and they were afraid that their children 679 00:42:24,376 --> 00:42:25,834 were gonna get involved in it. 680 00:42:25,835 --> 00:42:27,586 To this day, it hasn't been proven. 681 00:42:27,587 --> 00:42:29,588 If there was, it certainly wasn't as serious 682 00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:31,674 as what Tommy Sullivan was involved in 683 00:42:31,675 --> 00:42:33,634 because nobody else killed their mother in that manner 684 00:42:33,635 --> 00:42:34,386 or violent way that he did. 685 00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:41,475 There was nothing that showed that he was involved 686 00:42:41,476 --> 00:42:44,770 in any type of rituals other than what he was 687 00:42:44,771 --> 00:42:46,731 learning about through his own reading. 688 00:42:48,858 --> 00:42:50,859 There were enough skeptics 689 00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:52,945 that it certainly kept the conversation going. 690 00:42:55,073 --> 00:42:58,284 There are things that can't be explained. 691 00:42:58,285 --> 00:43:00,077 {\an8}I would tell them, "I feel the same way." 692 00:43:03,623 --> 00:43:08,168 {\an8}We had a 14-year-old boy write, and this is what he did. 693 00:43:08,169 --> 00:43:10,963 And that's not to say that the devil made him do it. 694 00:43:10,964 --> 00:43:13,674 It's just that whatever he bought into 695 00:43:13,675 --> 00:43:19,888 in that belief system somehow validated these... 696 00:43:19,889 --> 00:43:22,892 feelings of anger and hostility. 697 00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:28,355 So what we wanted to know was, how did this come about 698 00:43:28,356 --> 00:43:30,274 and what was going on with this family. 699 00:43:35,739 --> 00:43:39,783 1988, I was 19 years old. 700 00:43:39,784 --> 00:43:44,663 I was neighbors of the Sullivan family. 701 00:43:44,664 --> 00:43:49,460 And the Sullivans were like family to me. 702 00:43:49,461 --> 00:43:51,587 I may have bought the satanic thing 703 00:43:51,588 --> 00:43:54,882 for a very short period of time because that was the narrative, 704 00:43:54,883 --> 00:43:56,468 but there's no way. 705 00:43:59,054 --> 00:44:01,221 I think that the police didn't do 706 00:44:01,222 --> 00:44:04,600 very much investigation at all, and I just don't know 707 00:44:04,601 --> 00:44:08,020 that he would have killed his own mother. 708 00:44:08,021 --> 00:44:10,690 Especially as brutally as that was. 709 00:44:11,775 --> 00:44:14,234 Because I believe Tommy Jr. is innocent 710 00:44:14,235 --> 00:44:17,446 of what he's being accused of... 711 00:44:17,447 --> 00:44:19,574 and what he's been accused of since 1988. 712 00:44:22,035 --> 00:44:25,537 And it has bothered me for years and years and years 713 00:44:25,538 --> 00:44:29,501 that, you know, he was depicted as a murderer. 714 00:44:31,711 --> 00:44:33,504 There's just no way. 55716

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