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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:28,300 --> 00:01:31,700 AUGUST 1966 THE START OF AN EXTRAORDINARY YEAR. 2 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,633 It's easy to forget that London was only 22 years into the war, 3 00:01:37,300 --> 00:01:39,867 so we have a Great Britain that we recognize 4 00:01:39,933 --> 00:01:42,633 through photographs and images of black and white news 5 00:01:42,700 --> 00:01:46,100 and then we have a kind of new era, which is multicolored, 6 00:01:46,500 --> 00:01:49,500 and the Beatles were at the forefront of that, they were pioneers. 7 00:02:03,867 --> 00:02:06,533 - Hello, John. Are you looking forward to the tour? - Good morning, John. Yes. 8 00:02:06,967 --> 00:02:10,367 This religious controversy, I know you don't want to say too much, 9 00:02:10,433 --> 00:02:12,733 worried that it will boil over when you get to the United States? 10 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,367 It worries me, yes, but I hope everything will be all right in the end. 11 00:02:17,433 --> 00:02:19,600 Do you think this will be a controversial tour, 12 00:02:19,667 --> 00:02:20,800 how was the Philippines? 13 00:02:20,867 --> 00:02:22,367 - No, not really. - No, not really. 14 00:02:22,433 --> 00:02:23,600 No, it'll be fine. 15 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:27,033 - What makes you say that, Paul? - It's going to be fine. Take a look. 16 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,367 The Klan, let's demonstrate, 17 00:02:34,433 --> 00:02:37,500 with different ways to prevent this action. 18 00:02:37,567 --> 00:02:38,433 GO HOME BEATLES 19 00:02:38,500 --> 00:02:41,300 Outside the Coliseum, this little band of demonstrators... 20 00:02:41,367 --> 00:02:42,500 help keep communists OUT OF THE UNITED STATES 21 00:02:42,567 --> 00:02:44,467 ... it was the only sign of a visible protest. 22 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,967 You have to remember that the Beatles were the biggest thing in the world. 23 00:02:51,033 --> 00:02:54,467 The Beatles were as big as the presidents combined 24 00:02:54,533 --> 00:02:57,400 or heads of state of seven large countries in one room. 25 00:02:57,467 --> 00:02:58,967 How are you? 26 00:02:59,033 --> 00:03:00,833 And they can say hello, can't they? 27 00:03:01,067 --> 00:03:01,967 - Hello. - Hello. 28 00:03:02,033 --> 00:03:03,600 Say a cheerful hello, boys. 29 00:03:03,667 --> 00:03:04,533 - Hello! - Hello! 30 00:03:06,300 --> 00:03:08,033 John, do you regret what you said? 31 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:10,033 Yes. Yes, I am. 32 00:03:10,100 --> 00:03:11,367 I think that's true. 33 00:03:11,567 --> 00:03:13,633 I think the band was much more popular. 34 00:03:13,700 --> 00:03:14,567 ISSUER 35 00:03:14,633 --> 00:03:16,967 I won't use the words "JC", 36 00:03:17,333 --> 00:03:20,967 but they were more popular than the Church of England and religion. 37 00:03:21,033 --> 00:03:23,100 I don't think there's any doubt about that. 38 00:03:23,333 --> 00:03:24,933 This is where the problem began, 39 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,933 in the tiny studio on the top floor of Station WAQY, 40 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:34,333 "Wacky Radio" to three-quarters of a million citizens of Birmingham, Alabama. 41 00:03:34,633 --> 00:03:36,767 Tommy Charles, disc jockey and station manager, 42 00:03:36,833 --> 00:03:38,433 read in Datebook magazine 43 00:03:38,500 --> 00:03:41,033 John Lennon's statements about Christianity, 44 00:03:41,100 --> 00:03:45,067 that had gone almost unnoticed when they were published in Britain. 45 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:48,533 Let's think about the past, how important at his time... 46 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:49,467 ROBERT STIGWOOD ORGANIZATION 47 00:03:49,533 --> 00:03:51,833 ... maybe around 300 people would have heard of him. 48 00:03:51,900 --> 00:03:55,833 In terms of an important industry, even if we think in today's terms, 49 00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:58,033 what it means for society in general terms, 50 00:03:58,700 --> 00:04:01,333 certainly in Europe, the Beatles would have been more important. 51 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:02,100 But, 52 00:04:02,867 --> 00:04:06,033 America in those days was obsessed with Jesus, not the Beatles. 53 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:07,100 JESUS DIED FOR YOU, JOHN LENNON 54 00:04:07,333 --> 00:04:08,933 Regarding the purpose of this meeting with me, 55 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,933 I thank God may Jesus Christ be popular with me, 56 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,933 because he saved me 31 years ago. 57 00:04:15,667 --> 00:04:18,767 And everyone here tonight, if it's popular with you, say, "Amen." 58 00:04:18,833 --> 00:04:20,367 Amen! 59 00:04:20,433 --> 00:04:22,367 They were not qualified to talk about 60 00:04:23,367 --> 00:04:27,333 the price of milk, let alone about the state the world was in. 61 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,800 They were sponges. They absorbed so much feeling... 62 00:04:29,867 --> 00:04:30,733 FAMOUS BEATLES AUTHOR 63 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,067 ... so much emotion, so that 64 00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:36,600 thought they were aging at twice the normal rate. 65 00:04:36,667 --> 00:04:38,500 I know Brian was very worried... 66 00:04:38,567 --> 00:04:39,467 BRIAN EPSTEIN'S SECRETARY 67 00:04:39,533 --> 00:04:42,033 ... with all that, before they left for the United States, 68 00:04:43,733 --> 00:04:47,000 and... but what John did was something very innocent, 69 00:04:47,067 --> 00:04:49,800 because they were more important. 70 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,433 More people wanted the Beatles than those who wanted to go to church. 71 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:56,800 Brian, are you in any way worried about what might happen 72 00:04:56,867 --> 00:04:58,433 to the Beatles when they arrive? 73 00:04:59,433 --> 00:05:01,367 - Yes, I'm worried. - About what? 74 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:02,667 Security. 75 00:05:03,100 --> 00:05:05,767 What do you propose to do to protect them? 76 00:05:05,933 --> 00:05:08,767 There's very little you can do, because they... 77 00:05:08,833 --> 00:05:11,500 They have always enjoyed it in the country, 78 00:05:11,967 --> 00:05:14,433 maximum security and digressions have always been 79 00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:16,467 exceptionally well planned 80 00:05:18,333 --> 00:05:19,867 and hope for the best. 81 00:05:20,533 --> 00:05:22,300 They were burning records in Memphis... 82 00:05:22,367 --> 00:05:23,067 AUTHOR/JOURNALIST 83 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:25,800 ... and the people on stage thought they might get shot. 84 00:05:25,867 --> 00:05:28,967 We think: "Something strange is going on that we don't quite understand." 85 00:05:29,033 --> 00:05:32,000 Most of the criticism came from the southern Bible Belt 86 00:05:32,433 --> 00:05:36,000 and we're wondering if it's going to change the Beatles' itinerary 87 00:05:36,433 --> 00:05:38,333 to avoid areas where radio stations 88 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,633 are burning your records and your photos. 89 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,600 This is highly unlikely. 90 00:05:43,433 --> 00:05:46,367 This morning, I spoke to many of the promoters 91 00:05:46,667 --> 00:05:49,867 and when I leave I have a meeting with several promoters, 92 00:05:51,367 --> 00:05:56,433 that they are not looking forward to none of the concerts are canceled. 93 00:05:57,433 --> 00:06:00,467 In fact, if any of the prosecutors were concerned 94 00:06:00,533 --> 00:06:04,100 and wanted a concert to be canceled, 95 00:06:04,567 --> 00:06:06,533 I wouldn't object. 96 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:10,733 In fact, the concert in Memphis, 97 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,100 which is the closest to... 98 00:06:14,300 --> 00:06:16,033 From where it started, 99 00:06:16,667 --> 00:06:20,867 apparently sold more tickets yesterday than they had sold up to that day. 100 00:06:20,933 --> 00:06:23,600 Tony Barrow was the person who alerted Datebook 101 00:06:23,667 --> 00:06:25,467 for the existence of these interviews. 102 00:06:25,733 --> 00:06:28,500 He contacted Art Unger, the editor, and said: 103 00:06:28,567 --> 00:06:29,433 AUTHOR OF "THE BEATLES '66" 104 00:06:29,500 --> 00:06:32,333 ... "You'll love these interviews. They're just your style." 105 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,033 But Art Unger had the idea of sending them to something that... 106 00:06:35,667 --> 00:06:37,333 Nowadays we call them presenters, 107 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,633 but he knew that it would annoy some DJs, 108 00:06:39,700 --> 00:06:43,400 so he sent them to some DJs in Birmingham, Alabama, 109 00:06:43,467 --> 00:06:46,733 and they got really angry. That's when it really started. 110 00:06:48,333 --> 00:06:50,700 AUGUST 15TH, 1966 111 00:06:56,933 --> 00:06:59,567 Many of them hate us. Did you see that? 112 00:06:59,767 --> 00:07:04,033 I saw a similar version of what you say in the newspaper. 113 00:07:05,567 --> 00:07:08,800 If it makes other people feel better, it makes me feel better. 114 00:07:09,433 --> 00:07:12,900 But there weren't as many upset people as I was led to believe. 115 00:07:15,033 --> 00:07:16,967 And not so seriously upset. 116 00:07:17,033 --> 00:07:19,800 Brian Epstein was going to cancel the tour... 117 00:07:19,867 --> 00:07:20,733 MERSEYBEAT NEWSPAPER 118 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,100 ... but they decided to go ahead if John apologized, 119 00:07:23,333 --> 00:07:25,333 and he very reluctantly did so, 120 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,333 it was like an apology at second hand. 121 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,633 Well, I was originally told that fact in reference to England... 122 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:31,867 AUGUST 11, 1966 123 00:07:31,933 --> 00:07:36,967 ... that we were more important to children than Jesus or religion. 124 00:07:37,367 --> 00:07:40,900 I wasn't badmouthing or denigrating, I was simply stating a fact, 125 00:07:41,733 --> 00:07:45,533 and it was... It's true, even more so in England than here. 126 00:07:46,333 --> 00:07:49,000 I'm not saying that we are better or bigger, 127 00:07:49,067 --> 00:07:52,000 or comparing ourselves to Jesus Christ, as a person, 128 00:07:52,300 --> 00:07:54,800 or with God, as a thing, or whatever. 129 00:07:54,867 --> 00:07:58,100 I just said what I said and it was wrong, or was misinterpreted. 130 00:07:58,333 --> 00:08:01,867 And George said: "I don't care. They'll just buy more albums 131 00:08:01,933 --> 00:08:03,833 to replace those who burned." So. 132 00:08:04,467 --> 00:08:06,000 How do you feel about this issue 133 00:08:06,067 --> 00:08:08,100 of the group to say what they think? 134 00:08:08,333 --> 00:08:10,833 Do you think it's possible in their position? 135 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:11,900 Absolutely. 136 00:08:11,967 --> 00:08:14,433 I never suggested to do otherwise. 137 00:08:14,867 --> 00:08:16,833 Did you suggest that John apologize? 138 00:08:17,867 --> 00:08:21,967 We talked about it and that was our mutual feeling. 139 00:08:22,533 --> 00:08:25,367 I never ordered the boys to do anything, 140 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,667 or in relation to music, in artistic or discursive matters. 141 00:08:32,767 --> 00:08:33,633 They... 142 00:08:33,867 --> 00:08:38,533 We all have our opinions and I contribute, I suppose, a fifth. 143 00:08:38,867 --> 00:08:44,933 This also happened at the end of a long world tour, 144 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,633 where other horrible things had happened to the Beatles. 145 00:08:47,700 --> 00:08:51,033 They received death threats in Japan, been squeezed in the Philippines... 146 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:52,100 RETURN OF THE PHILIPPINES, JULY 1966 147 00:08:52,333 --> 00:08:54,833 ... for allegedly despising the first lady, Imelda Marcos, 148 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:57,467 when they didn't show up at a reception she organized. 149 00:08:57,533 --> 00:08:59,333 This was just the last straw... 150 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:00,100 YOU'RE ADORABLE, LENNON 151 00:09:00,333 --> 00:09:02,767 ... and they were thinking that they could be murdered. 152 00:09:02,833 --> 00:09:04,833 It was so early that this kind of thing 153 00:09:04,900 --> 00:09:07,033 began to appear in people's minds. 154 00:09:07,833 --> 00:09:09,900 John, what exactly happened at Manila Airport? 155 00:09:09,967 --> 00:09:12,667 We were kicked and pushed by some monkeys 156 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:15,433 and we were very scared. 157 00:09:15,967 --> 00:09:17,533 How scared were you, George? 158 00:09:18,733 --> 00:09:20,867 Petrified, I would say. 159 00:09:21,367 --> 00:09:22,633 Yes, it was... 160 00:09:22,700 --> 00:09:24,900 It was very bad, there were about five... 161 00:09:24,967 --> 00:09:28,333 Some very big guys, strange looking, 162 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,800 with weapons and all the rest of the equipment. 163 00:09:30,867 --> 00:09:33,667 - Who did the kicking. - Yes, and they 164 00:09:33,733 --> 00:09:35,767 had prepared... It was so obvious. 165 00:09:35,833 --> 00:09:39,000 They prepared to put us through the worst possible moment 166 00:09:39,067 --> 00:09:41,033 before we got to the airport. 167 00:09:41,867 --> 00:09:45,000 So, diexagons of play and... 168 00:09:45,067 --> 00:09:47,667 Me, personally, was always avoiding these people. 169 00:09:47,733 --> 00:09:49,700 They were the ones causing the problems. 170 00:09:49,767 --> 00:09:52,100 Yes, just those five. Because the others didn't bother me. 171 00:09:52,333 --> 00:09:55,100 Did you really have to carry luggage through the airport? 172 00:09:55,333 --> 00:09:56,900 Hand luggage only. 173 00:09:57,333 --> 00:09:59,567 Our tour managers carry large suitcases. 174 00:09:59,633 --> 00:10:02,367 - Because they know... - They turned off our escalators 175 00:10:02,433 --> 00:10:03,733 and we had to carry them up the stairs. 176 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,867 - The amplifiers. - That's their intelligence. 177 00:10:05,933 --> 00:10:08,433 How many people were involved in this demonstration? 178 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:10,000 I thought there were thirty. 179 00:10:10,467 --> 00:10:12,767 I've been telling everyone 30 and George says there were five. 180 00:10:12,833 --> 00:10:17,000 No, it was more like a small army that beat us. 181 00:10:17,067 --> 00:10:20,033 There were about ten others, at the bottom of a crowd of normal people, 182 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:23,000 shouting "Boo". We looked to see who it was, 183 00:10:23,067 --> 00:10:26,067 and they were little kids smiling, about 18. 184 00:10:26,300 --> 00:10:29,633 And the guys behind, like the Gestapo, going "Boo". 185 00:10:29,700 --> 00:10:31,633 I think they were probably protesters. 186 00:10:31,700 --> 00:10:33,100 It was one of those places 187 00:10:33,333 --> 00:10:35,833 when we knew they were waiting for a fight 188 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:39,433 and they were provoking us, if we had done something, they would have... 189 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:40,600 - That's enough of that. - Yes. 190 00:10:40,667 --> 00:10:43,100 And beyond the Philippines, did you enjoy your trip? 191 00:10:43,333 --> 00:10:45,833 Yes, it was a great tour. 192 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:47,667 Except this morning, actually. 193 00:10:48,067 --> 00:10:50,800 - Yes. - Japan was fantastic, very pleasant. 194 00:10:50,867 --> 00:10:52,633 - And Delhi was good. - Yes. 195 00:10:52,700 --> 00:10:56,467 Great people in Japan, almost everyone we met. 196 00:10:56,533 --> 00:10:58,300 They occupied Manila in the war. 197 00:11:00,067 --> 00:11:02,400 Would they play in the Philippines again? 198 00:11:02,467 --> 00:11:03,967 - No, I don't. - I don't even want to land there. 199 00:11:04,033 --> 00:11:07,300 No airplane would pass by with me inside. Nor would it fly over. 200 00:11:07,700 --> 00:11:09,867 When they returned from Manila and stopped in Delhi, 201 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:12,833 that's when they started talking about the possibility 202 00:11:12,900 --> 00:11:15,800 to give up riding on the road. Brian was devastated by this, 203 00:11:15,867 --> 00:11:18,333 because it was obvious that it wouldn't be necessary 204 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,667 if all the appointments were in the studio. 205 00:11:20,733 --> 00:11:24,733 Where would he come in? Because he gained importance by scheduling tours, 206 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,467 doing all those things and following the Beatles. 207 00:11:27,533 --> 00:11:29,100 And he was a guy who loved show business. 208 00:11:29,333 --> 00:11:33,333 I loved the theater. I'd been at RADA, so I loved the theatrical side. 209 00:11:33,700 --> 00:11:36,800 From your dressing room, in the nearby security area, 210 00:11:36,867 --> 00:11:39,400 the Beatles emerged to play their second show, 211 00:11:39,467 --> 00:11:42,967 always closely watched by Captain Barney Hicks' police, 212 00:11:43,033 --> 00:11:46,333 82 men, all working overtime at 30 shillings an hour. 213 00:11:46,667 --> 00:11:50,400 It was total madness, years ago around the Beatles. 214 00:11:50,767 --> 00:11:52,833 What's fantastic is that they put up with it. 215 00:11:53,067 --> 00:11:55,633 They just did what was expected of them. 216 00:11:55,700 --> 00:11:58,367 When we think about temperament and egomania, 217 00:11:58,433 --> 00:12:00,767 even in today's rock bands of today, 218 00:12:00,833 --> 00:12:03,067 what the Beatles could handle, 219 00:12:03,300 --> 00:12:06,800 in the name of the common good, because they were told that's how it had to be, 220 00:12:07,433 --> 00:12:09,033 including John, was extraordinary. 221 00:12:09,733 --> 00:12:12,000 When the Beatles' charter arrived... 222 00:12:12,067 --> 00:12:12,933 August 19, 1966 223 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,500 ... away from the hundreds of fans in the terminal 224 00:12:15,567 --> 00:12:18,800 towards a deserted part of the runway, used only by the National Guard. 225 00:12:18,867 --> 00:12:22,900 Only a handful of teenagers escaped the tight security measures. 226 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,967 Worried about your visit to the south, 227 00:12:34,333 --> 00:12:37,900 the Beatles could at least with the success of the trip for the time being. 228 00:12:38,333 --> 00:12:39,867 With only half of the concerts performed, 229 00:12:39,933 --> 00:12:42,667 had already raised more than half a million dollars 230 00:12:42,733 --> 00:12:45,967 and his last single, "Yellow Submarine", had sold a million. 231 00:12:46,033 --> 00:12:47,533 Is this your first trip to the south? 232 00:12:48,033 --> 00:12:49,800 No, we've been to Texas. 233 00:12:51,033 --> 00:12:52,867 Where will you go when you leave here? 234 00:12:53,667 --> 00:12:55,533 I think to Cincinnati, yes, that's it. 235 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,300 And how long will they be in the United States? 236 00:12:58,367 --> 00:13:00,800 About two more weeks. 237 00:13:00,867 --> 00:13:02,000 - Two more weeks? - Yes. 238 00:13:03,100 --> 00:13:04,500 What did you have for lunch? 239 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:06,900 I didn't eat much. 240 00:13:06,967 --> 00:13:07,933 I didn't eat much. 241 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,733 - Go on, I've got to go. It's boiling. - Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. 242 00:13:13,533 --> 00:13:16,533 BEATLE STREET FOUR BOYS WHO ROCKED THE WORLD 243 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,533 They appeared in the dressing room and they were all sad. 244 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,033 And John was saying: "We should never have done this, 245 00:13:24,633 --> 00:13:26,667 ever." - They've had two number ones in the meantime. 246 00:13:27,667 --> 00:13:29,500 Returning to a small club like this... 247 00:13:29,567 --> 00:13:32,967 But they promised to do another concert, so all the best to them. 248 00:13:33,033 --> 00:13:34,433 There was only one dressing room. 249 00:13:34,500 --> 00:13:36,700 The dressing room was like a phone booth. 250 00:13:36,967 --> 00:13:39,500 We were inside. The Beatles were inside 251 00:13:39,567 --> 00:13:41,700 and someone else was there. 252 00:13:42,067 --> 00:13:44,333 They weren't very happy. 253 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:45,467 And they all went on stage. 254 00:13:45,833 --> 00:13:47,367 John couldn't stop laughing. 255 00:13:47,433 --> 00:13:49,900 They had a piano on stage, with a big cover. 256 00:13:49,967 --> 00:13:52,800 "What are you laughing at?" "King Size Taylor left his mark." 257 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,100 The Beatles started playing, the girls couldn't stop screaming 258 00:13:56,333 --> 00:13:57,633 and the light went out, 259 00:13:58,767 --> 00:14:00,433 except for a small lamp on the stage. 260 00:14:00,500 --> 00:14:02,833 A small lamp on stage, remember? 261 00:14:02,900 --> 00:14:04,900 - Yes, it's true. - No speakers, nothing. 262 00:14:04,967 --> 00:14:06,700 Everyone was saying: "What's going on?" 263 00:14:06,767 --> 00:14:09,067 So, Paul, being Paul, jumps on the piano 264 00:14:09,767 --> 00:14:14,867 a song starts playing, and I think John was with the acoustics. 265 00:14:14,933 --> 00:14:18,067 So at least they could hear a bit of acoustic guitar. 266 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,933 And for years and years, we thought that Paul 267 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,067 had started playing one of his father's old songs, 268 00:14:23,500 --> 00:14:26,633 of the 20s, because that's how it seemed to us, 269 00:14:26,867 --> 00:14:30,067 until we received the Sgt. Pepper, you know... 270 00:14:30,567 --> 00:14:32,000 When I get older 271 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:33,467 It was unbelievable. 272 00:14:34,033 --> 00:14:36,100 We had heard the song in 1963. 273 00:14:36,733 --> 00:14:40,600 It doesn't matter if they don't like our or the way we look, 274 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:41,967 or what we say. 275 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:44,067 They have the right not to like us 276 00:14:44,300 --> 00:14:46,733 and we have the right to have nothing to do with them, 277 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,767 if we don't want to, or if we don't care. 278 00:14:49,467 --> 00:14:52,667 We all have our rights, Harold. 279 00:15:00,767 --> 00:15:02,467 Towards the end, it was crazy. 280 00:15:02,533 --> 00:15:05,300 They could have been anywhere. They were in a room... 281 00:15:05,367 --> 00:15:06,067 FAN CLUB SECRETARY OF THE BEATLES 282 00:15:06,300 --> 00:15:09,433 ... and that room could be in Wales or Tokyo. 283 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:12,367 They didn't know. It was just a hotel room. 284 00:15:14,067 --> 00:15:16,867 It's hard to imagine nowadays, but the songs from Revolver, 285 00:15:16,933 --> 00:15:19,433 that could easily be reproduced on stage now, 286 00:15:19,500 --> 00:15:21,067 they couldn't find a way to do it 287 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:23,833 and played very little Rubber Soul on stage. 288 00:15:23,900 --> 00:15:27,567 They didn't play anything from Revolver, even though it was the last album, 289 00:15:27,633 --> 00:15:30,667 when they made their final tours. - In addition to rock 'n' roll... 290 00:15:30,733 --> 00:15:31,600 BEATLES/BUZZCOCKS FAN 291 00:15:31,667 --> 00:15:33,867 ... they developed a more melodic Beatles 292 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:38,000 and I think we needed to hear the complexities of the songs 293 00:15:38,067 --> 00:15:41,533 and, as they developed musically, they couldn't hear anything. 294 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,033 I was in New York, working with the Yardbirds, 295 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:47,467 when the Beatles' big tour was being prepared in New York, 296 00:15:47,733 --> 00:15:48,767 and Brian was there. 297 00:15:48,833 --> 00:15:52,500 I didn't deal with Brian, but I knew, from the prosecutors, what was going on, 298 00:15:52,567 --> 00:15:56,300 and Brian and the group wanted to limit the capacity to 10 or 15,000 seats, 299 00:15:56,367 --> 00:15:59,667 because of the sound problem. They wanted to be able to play and be heard 300 00:15:59,733 --> 00:16:01,500 and not be drowned out by the shouting. 301 00:16:01,567 --> 00:16:03,633 But the police said they wouldn't accept it. 302 00:16:03,700 --> 00:16:06,300 They knew that 100 or 200,000 people, 303 00:16:06,367 --> 00:16:08,467 even if it was a 10,000-seat hall. 304 00:16:08,533 --> 00:16:12,567 It would be very dangerous to have 10,000 people inside and 90,000 outside. 305 00:16:12,633 --> 00:16:16,533 So the promoter wasn't greedy, not the Beatles, not Brian Epstein. 306 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,767 It was the police, the way they got the license. 307 00:16:18,833 --> 00:16:21,767 They were trapped. Imprisoned by the tours. 308 00:16:21,833 --> 00:16:24,033 They couldn't get out of prison until they got home. 309 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:26,400 They flew around the world, 310 00:16:26,467 --> 00:16:28,400 people shouted at them, 311 00:16:28,467 --> 00:16:30,633 they couldn't hear each other and thought: 312 00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:33,300 "That wasn't the reason to start doing this, guys." 313 00:16:33,367 --> 00:16:36,833 "We started doing this because it was fun. Not anymore." 314 00:16:36,900 --> 00:16:41,900 John discussed it with me in detail over dinner in 1980 in New York. 315 00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:46,033 He famously said that when they played "Twist and Shout", 316 00:16:46,100 --> 00:16:49,400 he had changed the lyrics to "I'm screwed by the drop", 317 00:16:49,900 --> 00:16:52,300 and thought it was hilarious, 318 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,633 first, because it's a funny line, and secondly, because nobody heard it. 319 00:16:57,700 --> 00:17:01,967 The front row of the audience were children in wheelchairs. 320 00:17:02,733 --> 00:17:04,900 John, in particular, was completely freaked out. 321 00:17:04,967 --> 00:17:09,067 He had a terrible phobia about physical disability, 322 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:13,033 but then these little were taken to the dressing room, 323 00:17:13,100 --> 00:17:17,800 after the show, as if it were a sanctuary and could heal people. 324 00:17:17,867 --> 00:17:21,467 But worse than that, some people, without being responsible, 325 00:17:21,533 --> 00:17:25,467 grabbed a wheelchair and pushed the children into the dressing room. 326 00:17:25,533 --> 00:17:27,633 It was a horrendous scene 327 00:17:27,700 --> 00:17:30,600 and they put up with it. That's the fantastic part. 328 00:17:30,667 --> 00:17:31,800 They accepted. 329 00:17:31,867 --> 00:17:35,633 George talked a lot about the fact that they weren't progressing musically, 330 00:17:35,833 --> 00:17:39,300 because they always made progress when they played in front of audiences who could see 331 00:17:39,367 --> 00:17:41,333 and receiving this kind of intimate response 332 00:17:41,667 --> 00:17:43,633 and now they couldn't see the audience. 333 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:46,033 It's very sad. In Candlestick Park, they were in a cage, 334 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:47,933 literally in a cage on stage. 335 00:17:48,733 --> 00:17:50,633 Would it be possible to go further from the Cavern? 336 00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:55,367 We used to work on the machines that regulate the volume, the tone, 337 00:17:57,367 --> 00:17:59,900 the bottom, the three handles. 338 00:17:59,967 --> 00:18:02,367 We didn't have all these faders, 339 00:18:02,433 --> 00:18:06,000 or computers or flashing lights. 340 00:18:06,500 --> 00:18:09,033 The Beatles' contract only said 341 00:18:09,467 --> 00:18:14,400 that the prosecutor should provide two, maybe three microphones, 342 00:18:14,467 --> 00:18:16,667 and a suitable lighting system. 343 00:18:16,733 --> 00:18:19,900 Songs like "Eleanor Rigby" even if they could play them on stage, 344 00:18:19,967 --> 00:18:23,567 weren't the kind of songs the audience would respond to. 345 00:18:23,633 --> 00:18:27,100 First, because it wasn't a song that you could jump or dance to 346 00:18:27,467 --> 00:18:30,633 and secondly, critics said that it was a rather dark theme, 347 00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:33,767 churches, lonely women, death and things like that. 348 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,633 It didn't sound like the Beatles. 349 00:18:35,967 --> 00:18:38,633 The Beatles, for a long time, succeeded, 350 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:41,500 due to its tremendous popularity all over the world, 351 00:18:41,567 --> 00:18:43,067 especially with younger people, 352 00:18:43,833 --> 00:18:46,667 were able to say everything they wanted 353 00:18:46,733 --> 00:18:48,100 without thinking about 354 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:52,600 common sense, maturity or in the wisdom of what they were saying. 355 00:18:52,667 --> 00:18:53,867 Wasn't he just being honest? 356 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,100 Your answers are so irreverent 357 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,400 and their attitude is so bizarre, in many cases, 358 00:18:59,467 --> 00:19:01,400 you never know whether he's being honest or not. 359 00:19:01,767 --> 00:19:04,767 What difference did this confusion make on your tour? 360 00:19:04,933 --> 00:19:05,800 If he did. 361 00:19:07,033 --> 00:19:07,900 Paul? 362 00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:12,367 I don't think it did much. It made her more confused. 363 00:19:12,567 --> 00:19:14,900 It made press conferences more important. 364 00:19:16,033 --> 00:19:18,100 People told us that the last time we came, 365 00:19:18,333 --> 00:19:19,900 our answers were a bit irreverent, 366 00:19:20,533 --> 00:19:21,767 why wasn't it like that this time? 367 00:19:21,833 --> 00:19:24,900 The point is that the issues are a bit more serious this time. 368 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,067 It didn't affect the reserves. 369 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:29,867 The bookings have been... The people who have come to the concerts 370 00:19:29,933 --> 00:19:32,600 have been the same, except for the first show in Memphis, 371 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,733 which was a bit low, but then what? 372 00:19:35,967 --> 00:19:38,967 It was a very interesting change in the music industry in England, 373 00:19:39,033 --> 00:19:40,833 in 1966, 67. 374 00:19:41,033 --> 00:19:43,500 It was the beginning of of the word "rock". 375 00:19:43,567 --> 00:19:44,933 It had never been heard before. 376 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:50,067 In 1967, the biggest event of the year was the Monterey Pop Festival. 377 00:19:50,300 --> 00:19:53,367 "Pop" was a buzzword and who was at the pop festival? 378 00:19:53,433 --> 00:19:55,467 All the people who we now call rock stars. 379 00:19:55,533 --> 00:19:56,933 But little by little, during that year, 380 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,867 the press began, more and more, to use the word "rock", 381 00:19:59,933 --> 00:20:02,500 and applied it to groups that weren't puppets, 382 00:20:02,567 --> 00:20:04,800 who didn't play songs of popular music writers 383 00:20:04,867 --> 00:20:08,733 and groups that played their own music, without session musicians. 384 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,567 Most of the groups that were like this 385 00:20:10,633 --> 00:20:13,400 wanted to establish their credentials against the established regime 386 00:20:13,467 --> 00:20:15,500 with long hair or the hard look 387 00:20:15,567 --> 00:20:18,067 and the Stones were the archetype, they were the first, 388 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:21,400 and The Who adapted later, they switched from pop to rock. 389 00:20:21,467 --> 00:20:23,900 Are you going to play Beatles records again? 390 00:20:23,967 --> 00:20:26,867 I was asked by the people at Capitol Records, 391 00:20:26,933 --> 00:20:30,333 who promote their albums in this country. Brian Epstein wanted to know 392 00:20:31,467 --> 00:20:33,600 when we're going to lift the restriction, 393 00:20:34,333 --> 00:20:36,767 because it seemed that everyone expected for us to take the first step, 394 00:20:36,833 --> 00:20:39,867 and wanted to know what it would take. Well, I don't have a price. 395 00:20:39,933 --> 00:20:42,867 I'm not expecting something the Beatles do. 396 00:20:42,933 --> 00:20:43,833 I don't know. 397 00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:48,500 I want them to change my mind about them. 398 00:20:48,567 --> 00:20:49,933 I want to see... 399 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,800 I don't know. I want to see them grow up a bit. 400 00:20:53,867 --> 00:20:57,300 DJ Tommy Charles, who started this dispute, 401 00:20:57,433 --> 00:21:00,500 I said I wouldn't play your albums until you grew up a bit. 402 00:21:00,567 --> 00:21:01,800 How do you feel about it? 403 00:21:01,867 --> 00:21:04,033 I don't care if they play again. 404 00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:06,433 The question is this: Everyone seems to think, 405 00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:08,333 when they hear us say things like that, 406 00:21:08,633 --> 00:21:10,100 that we are childish. 407 00:21:10,333 --> 00:21:13,467 You can't say things like that if you're not a silly child. 408 00:21:13,533 --> 00:21:15,600 Do you feel that the Americans want to harm you, 409 00:21:15,667 --> 00:21:18,100 that this has become a witch hunt? 410 00:21:18,333 --> 00:21:21,433 Do you mind if I ask? for example, in America, about Vietnam? 411 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:23,100 - Does this seem useful to you? - I don't know. 412 00:21:23,333 --> 00:21:24,833 If we can say that war is not good 413 00:21:24,900 --> 00:21:27,367 and some people believing in us, it can be good. 414 00:21:27,433 --> 00:21:29,367 But we can't say too much. That's the problem. 415 00:21:29,433 --> 00:21:30,800 It seems stupid to be in America 416 00:21:30,867 --> 00:21:33,667 and no one talks about Vietnam, as if nothing was happening. 417 00:21:33,733 --> 00:21:36,667 But why ask you? You're successful artists. 418 00:21:36,733 --> 00:21:40,533 Because Americans always ask artists what they think about it. 419 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:41,833 Just like the British. 420 00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:43,467 It's show business, you know. 421 00:21:43,767 --> 00:21:46,533 But we must... We can't keep quiet 422 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,833 in relation to what's going on in the world, unless you're a monk. 423 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:51,967 I'm sorry, monks, I didn't mean it. I meant to say, actually... 424 00:21:53,633 --> 00:21:57,000 They were leading what was already happening... 425 00:21:57,067 --> 00:21:57,933 JOHN LENNON'S SISTER 426 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,733 ... the adolescent revolution into a complete human being. 427 00:22:03,733 --> 00:22:06,500 Swinging London was a huge movement. 428 00:22:06,567 --> 00:22:08,300 There was the counterculture part, 429 00:22:08,367 --> 00:22:12,033 when everyone had long hair hair, beards and moustaches, 430 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:15,667 things like that, and went to places like the UFO Club and places like that. 431 00:22:15,733 --> 00:22:18,633 All the psychedelic stuff, with Pink Floyd and all the others. 432 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,067 And there were miniskirts, the new fashion, the boutiques, 433 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:25,700 and things like that, and it was always changing. 434 00:22:25,767 --> 00:22:27,833 I was the resident model for Foale and Tuffin, 435 00:22:27,900 --> 00:22:31,833 but we also had a store and sometimes, when I wasn't showing clothes... 436 00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:32,767 PATTI BOYD'S SISTER 437 00:22:32,833 --> 00:22:34,100 ... I was going to work for the store 438 00:22:34,333 --> 00:22:37,300 and the boys from the Carnaby Street 439 00:22:37,367 --> 00:22:39,667 to listen to and share records. 440 00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:42,833 What mattered was the music and how we looked. 441 00:22:43,367 --> 00:22:46,700 It started when Paul had his motorcycle accident, 442 00:22:47,033 --> 00:22:50,067 broke his front tooth and cut his lip 443 00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:55,367 the day before I made the videos for "Rain" and "Paperback Writer". 444 00:22:55,967 --> 00:22:59,967 And he grew a moustache to hide the shame of saying 445 00:23:00,033 --> 00:23:01,767 "I have a broken tooth". 446 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,000 You haven't thought about going to a dentist and get your tooth fixed. 447 00:23:06,067 --> 00:23:08,567 He just stuck chewing gum in there, for a while, 448 00:23:08,933 --> 00:23:13,800 but then he grew a mustache to cover the war wound. 449 00:23:14,733 --> 00:23:17,567 And the others thought: "That's cool." 450 00:23:17,633 --> 00:23:19,333 And they all grew moustaches. 451 00:23:19,767 --> 00:23:23,967 Suddenly, mustaches, and things like that, 452 00:23:24,433 --> 00:23:27,300 drugs and looking at the world differently... 453 00:23:27,733 --> 00:23:29,933 Whatever you do, as musicians, 454 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,467 ends up on the recording and a song somewhere. 455 00:23:33,867 --> 00:23:36,067 It's always related to our experience. 456 00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:38,100 We smoked weed back then 457 00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:40,733 and that changes our perception, 458 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,567 I think it breaks down a lot of barriers. 459 00:23:44,833 --> 00:23:47,533 It was much more to go against the regime 460 00:23:48,033 --> 00:23:50,467 and to get in touch with our creativity. 461 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,867 I think they were constantly trying to repudiate the image 462 00:23:53,933 --> 00:23:55,333 of the four adorable mop heads. 463 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,067 I think that was one of the reasons behind it, 464 00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:00,900 to look different, dress differently, to look grown-up. 465 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,067 The Beatles are breaking up, as a group? 466 00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:05,300 Absolutely not. 467 00:24:05,667 --> 00:24:08,300 Is there any truth in the story that was published today, 468 00:24:08,367 --> 00:24:10,300 that could end in the near future? 469 00:24:10,367 --> 00:24:11,400 None. 470 00:24:11,767 --> 00:24:13,900 You can tell me, then, why you don't have any tours scheduled 471 00:24:13,967 --> 00:24:15,967 for Christmas or to America next year? 472 00:24:16,033 --> 00:24:18,633 They were involved in several different commitments. 473 00:24:19,033 --> 00:24:20,767 John Lennon has been making a movie. 474 00:24:21,733 --> 00:24:25,633 Paul has been writing music for the new Hayley Mills movie. 475 00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:26,767 E... 476 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:28,767 I'm not... 477 00:24:28,833 --> 00:24:30,767 They must all be in this country 478 00:24:30,833 --> 00:24:33,100 at the end of December... At the end of November. 479 00:24:33,467 --> 00:24:35,867 They're going to record a few more albums. 480 00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:40,033 And then they'll work on the plans for the next movie. 481 00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:43,000 Will there be any change in the work you do? 482 00:24:43,067 --> 00:24:44,767 Will there be fewer tours next year? 483 00:24:47,067 --> 00:24:47,933 Possibly. 484 00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:53,033 As I said before, there is dynamic or important change, 485 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,067 but the Beatles have always progressed 486 00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:57,933 and to progress, there has to be change. 487 00:24:58,433 --> 00:25:02,333 They had great antennae, the Beatles. They understood everything quickly. 488 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,033 They understood the way forward, 489 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:06,467 was part of his upbringing. 490 00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:07,567 And they were... 491 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,300 They were, in a way, 492 00:25:09,767 --> 00:25:12,833 beyond "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields", 493 00:25:13,667 --> 00:25:14,900 were not being American. 494 00:25:14,967 --> 00:25:17,467 They were no longer being pseudo-Americans. 495 00:25:17,533 --> 00:25:19,833 They didn't have American accents, previously, 496 00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:22,533 had prompted Paul's father to say: "Why do you sing 'Yeah, yeah'? 497 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,733 Why not 'Yes, yes'?" 498 00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:27,733 They were taking... They were using their own culture, 499 00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:31,000 which is very interesting, and Penny Lane is fantastic... 500 00:25:31,067 --> 00:25:33,033 They're both fantastic songs. 501 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,967 In fact, I think the great tragedy of Sgt. Pepper 502 00:25:38,533 --> 00:25:39,767 was that these two songs were not present. 503 00:25:39,833 --> 00:25:40,700 BARBEARIA 504 00:25:40,767 --> 00:25:44,067 It would have been a fantastic album. I always thought they should 505 00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:47,300 to have added them and said: "We did these two before. 506 00:25:47,367 --> 00:25:49,433 Here they are." And they're the best. 507 00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:51,567 "Penny Lane and "Strawberry Fields Forever". 508 00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:57,000 One is the very specific imagery, very clear, of Paul McCartney in 1950, 509 00:25:57,067 --> 00:25:59,833 about a part of Liverpool that everyone knew very well. 510 00:26:00,733 --> 00:26:04,467 The other is much more surreal, John's, surreal to say the least, 511 00:26:04,967 --> 00:26:07,833 but we still have a feeling that this is a real place, 512 00:26:08,033 --> 00:26:12,667 and is a kind of surreal vision of John about a place he knew as a child. 513 00:26:13,033 --> 00:26:14,767 When they stopped touring, forever... 514 00:26:14,833 --> 00:26:15,733 OFFICIAL BEATLES BIOGRAPHER 515 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,900 ... became completely responsible for themselves. 516 00:26:18,067 --> 00:26:20,867 They did their own thing with Sgt. Pepper 517 00:26:21,033 --> 00:26:25,767 and began to ignore Brian Epstein, who no longer controlled them. 518 00:26:25,967 --> 00:26:28,300 And they started bossing George Martin around. 519 00:26:28,533 --> 00:26:30,633 George only did the technical stuff. 520 00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:33,900 He would give his opinion, but they would say: "Well, let's do one more take." 521 00:26:34,367 --> 00:26:37,400 In the beginning, it was George Martin who said that. 522 00:26:37,567 --> 00:26:41,000 I'd say that when the tour ended, Brian felt left out. 523 00:26:41,067 --> 00:26:43,733 When they were on tour, he didn't do much. 524 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,967 I was only with them, because things are done by the local prosecutor, 525 00:26:47,033 --> 00:26:48,467 by the local tour manager, 526 00:26:48,633 --> 00:26:50,467 but at least Brian was traveling with them. 527 00:26:50,533 --> 00:26:52,367 He felt that he was part of what they were doing. 528 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:54,900 When the tours stopped, he didn't feel like he was part 529 00:26:54,967 --> 00:26:56,733 what they were doing in the studio. 530 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,467 He had never helped create the songs, had never been in the studio. 531 00:26:59,533 --> 00:27:00,700 He was no George Martin, 532 00:27:00,767 --> 00:27:04,633 so he suddenly felt without much to do. 533 00:27:05,367 --> 00:27:06,333 And that wore him down. 534 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,567 He started taking more drugs, started spending more time playing 535 00:27:10,333 --> 00:27:13,967 and definitely he felt that his relationship 536 00:27:14,033 --> 00:27:15,900 had somehow been cut off. 537 00:27:15,967 --> 00:27:19,633 Brian's role, like their roles, was changing, 538 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,933 but I think he would always have been the fifth Beatle, if you like. 539 00:27:25,667 --> 00:27:28,600 He took them from the Cavern to the world stage. 540 00:27:28,967 --> 00:27:31,633 At the beginning of 1967, because they made a... 541 00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:36,300 They made some music that was used at a night rave in Roundhouse e, 542 00:27:36,667 --> 00:27:38,867 as far as I know, 543 00:27:38,933 --> 00:27:41,333 only Mark Lewisohn heard it, beyond the Beatles, 544 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,933 but apparently it's them knocking 545 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,833 on any type of percussion instrument... metal trays, 546 00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:51,733 tables, whatever was around the studio, and doing it for seven minutes and... 547 00:27:52,833 --> 00:27:55,633 I think there was the idea that whatever they did, 548 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,800 and the less limited the better, 549 00:27:57,867 --> 00:28:00,467 would be a kind of of golden artistic powder, 550 00:28:00,533 --> 00:28:02,067 but it wasn't always. 551 00:28:02,467 --> 00:28:05,033 There was a problem. They thought: "Where are we going next?" 552 00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:08,467 They had been the biggest on tour, then the biggest pop group. 553 00:28:08,533 --> 00:28:11,433 They had written the best songs, ranked from first to fifth 554 00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:13,400 consecutively in the American charts. 555 00:28:13,467 --> 00:28:14,800 Where do you go next? 556 00:28:14,867 --> 00:28:17,700 And the only way to continue is to make great art. 557 00:28:17,767 --> 00:28:20,533 "We have to go somewhere better, go to a higher level. 558 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,467 If we can't become rock musicians, 559 00:28:22,533 --> 00:28:25,100 we could move forward and put pop on the same level as art, 560 00:28:25,333 --> 00:28:26,933 with great music and great painting." 561 00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:29,333 I think that's what they thought. 562 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,033 "There's no interest in doing anything else. 563 00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:33,833 There's no interest in releasing another Revolver full of pop. 564 00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:36,367 We have to do something absolutely wonderful." 565 00:28:36,433 --> 00:28:37,600 And they did. 566 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,900 I heard "Strawberry Fields" and I was absolutely amazed, 567 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,433 because one of the things I had told my editor 568 00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:46,800 was that the Beatles are still progressing, 569 00:28:47,033 --> 00:28:48,700 and I thought this was incredible. 570 00:28:48,767 --> 00:28:52,067 It's been a huge leap since Love Me Do or something. 571 00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:54,333 No one seems can clearly say 572 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,067 that "Penny Lane" was written to surpass "Strawberry Fields" but it seems that, 573 00:28:58,467 --> 00:29:01,933 when John jumped in and did a specific Liverpool song, Paul... 574 00:29:02,533 --> 00:29:05,867 Because there was a beautiful spirit between John and Paul. 575 00:29:06,667 --> 00:29:08,467 Each pulled the other higher, 576 00:29:08,533 --> 00:29:10,600 because, in a very friendly way, they thought: 577 00:29:10,667 --> 00:29:12,667 "I'll take the A-side of the next single." 578 00:29:12,833 --> 00:29:15,500 Or: "He did that, I'm going to do that." It was fantastic. 579 00:29:15,567 --> 00:29:18,300 Without any kind of poison, they... 580 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,000 They were both trying to outdo each other. 581 00:29:20,067 --> 00:29:23,833 That was the plan, to start again and write an album all about Liverpool. 582 00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:26,767 It's been said, do something, 583 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,533 maybe an album related to Liverpool. 584 00:29:31,533 --> 00:29:35,833 And, of course, they had "Penny Lane" ready, "Strawberry Fields" 585 00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:37,933 and "A Day in the Life". 586 00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:42,700 And then, of course, George Martin said: 587 00:29:42,767 --> 00:29:44,733 "They've been quiet for too long." 588 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,367 So they gave him that, 589 00:29:46,433 --> 00:29:48,533 but they insisted for it to be a double A-side. 590 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,800 As a double side A, they split the sales, 591 00:29:51,867 --> 00:29:53,733 so they were only able to reach to number two. 592 00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:56,767 Meanwhile, in Liverpool, 593 00:29:56,833 --> 00:29:58,767 there was a group called The Hillsiders, 594 00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:01,400 and the manager, Spencer Lloyd Mason, 595 00:30:01,833 --> 00:30:06,367 noticed that one of the members had found a country record 596 00:30:06,433 --> 00:30:07,867 they wanted to record, 597 00:30:07,933 --> 00:30:12,633 so they took him to the guy who handled at Decca, Noel Walker, 598 00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:14,767 who was also from Merseyside, and said: 599 00:30:14,833 --> 00:30:17,500 "We want to do this and can we do it with an orchestra?" 600 00:30:17,567 --> 00:30:19,467 It was a show called Release Me. 601 00:30:19,667 --> 00:30:22,000 And instead of recording it with The Hillsiders, 602 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,567 he passed it on to people who thought it would be an ideal record 603 00:30:25,633 --> 00:30:26,933 for Engelbert Humperdinck, 604 00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:29,300 that made it to number one 605 00:30:29,367 --> 00:30:31,500 and kept the Beatles out of the number one spot, 606 00:30:31,567 --> 00:30:33,667 for the first time on several albums. 607 00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:35,867 It was all the fault of a group from Liverpool. 608 00:30:35,933 --> 00:30:38,767 Regarding the album about Liverpool, in a way, 609 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:42,333 we have enough in "Strawberry Fields" and "Penny Lane" 610 00:30:42,633 --> 00:30:44,300 for more than one album. 611 00:30:44,467 --> 00:30:45,933 They did it in a single. 612 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,500 They did it in a magnificent single, double-A side. 613 00:30:49,567 --> 00:30:51,867 DECEMBER 1966 614 00:30:51,933 --> 00:30:53,833 - Can I have a word with you? - Yes. 615 00:30:54,767 --> 00:30:57,567 The Beatles go their lives in 1967? 616 00:30:58,067 --> 00:31:00,667 You can do it, each on their own or together. 617 00:31:00,733 --> 00:31:03,067 We are always involved with each other in whatever we do. 618 00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:06,567 Can you imagine a time when you weren't working together? 619 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,600 I can imagine us not working together for a while, 620 00:31:09,667 --> 00:31:12,100 but we always get together, for one reason or another. 621 00:31:12,333 --> 00:31:15,300 We also need other people for ideas, 622 00:31:15,867 --> 00:31:18,100 and we all get on well. 623 00:31:18,333 --> 00:31:21,600 Are you going to make movies on your own next year? 624 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,667 No, I don't want to make a career of it. I did it because I felt like it 625 00:31:25,733 --> 00:31:29,433 and Dick Lester invited me and I accepted, 626 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,567 I wouldn't have done it if the others hadn't liked it. 627 00:31:32,633 --> 00:31:34,700 They said, "All right, because we were on vacation. 628 00:31:34,767 --> 00:31:36,900 Do the others have ambitions to make movies? 629 00:31:37,033 --> 00:31:39,000 No, nobody is particularly interested in that. 630 00:31:39,067 --> 00:31:40,500 I don't really feel like it. 631 00:31:40,567 --> 00:31:42,633 - What do you really want to do? - I don't know. 632 00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:44,800 I just want to do a few things. 633 00:31:44,967 --> 00:31:46,967 And you haven't decided exactly what? 634 00:31:47,433 --> 00:31:48,767 No, I'm going to try out a few things, 635 00:31:48,833 --> 00:31:53,300 but I learned a bit more about making movies by doing so. 636 00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,000 The team songwriting thing 637 00:31:56,067 --> 00:31:57,867 will it continue no matter what? 638 00:31:57,933 --> 00:32:01,433 Yes, we'll probably continue writing songs forever, 639 00:32:01,667 --> 00:32:04,600 whatever we do, because we can't stop. 640 00:32:04,667 --> 00:32:07,633 We do it, regardless of whether we want to or not. 641 00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:10,000 But do you think that tours, like American tours 642 00:32:10,067 --> 00:32:12,300 and the English, there are fans in England... 643 00:32:12,367 --> 00:32:16,000 But there must be a point when they no longer work, 644 00:32:16,067 --> 00:32:19,800 because they are not related to what we're doing on the albums. 645 00:32:19,867 --> 00:32:22,967 They knew they were taking big risks in '66 and '67. 646 00:32:23,033 --> 00:32:25,600 They didn't know that people would follow them, 647 00:32:25,967 --> 00:32:28,800 who were going with them, and they calculated, 648 00:32:28,867 --> 00:32:31,033 something like: "We could lose a big slice of our market, 649 00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:32,533 we're being too bold." 650 00:32:57,633 --> 00:32:59,700 Then they decided it should be 651 00:32:59,767 --> 00:33:02,700 what was actually called a concept album, 652 00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:05,700 because Frank Zappa had done one called Freak Out, 653 00:33:05,767 --> 00:33:08,400 and McCartney was very keen in making it so. 654 00:33:08,467 --> 00:33:12,333 But then, as Ringo said later on, they made some songs 655 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,833 and thought: "Let's forget about the concept album. 656 00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:15,900 We're going to make more songs." 657 00:33:16,567 --> 00:33:20,533 But of course it was created in a strange way. 658 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,800 It was all the Beatles being very adventurous 659 00:33:24,867 --> 00:33:26,867 but very sentimental, at the same time. 660 00:33:26,933 --> 00:33:29,067 There are many different strands on this album. 661 00:33:29,467 --> 00:33:33,367 And John, as funny as he is, is the one who brings them all together, 662 00:33:33,433 --> 00:33:35,367 not only with his wonderful... 663 00:33:36,467 --> 00:33:38,100 His masterpiece "A Day in the Life", 664 00:33:38,733 --> 00:33:41,833 but he also adds small phrases 665 00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:43,967 that seem to be part of of "A Day in the Life" 666 00:33:44,033 --> 00:33:46,433 and part of Paul's song "Lovely Rita". 667 00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:49,533 So it seems that it's a concept altogether, 668 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,533 although they didn't think that they were going to make a concept album. 669 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:53,800 - Paul. - Yes? 670 00:33:53,867 --> 00:33:55,067 - Good evening. - Hello. 671 00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:56,667 - Don Edwards, ITN. - How are you doing? 672 00:33:56,733 --> 00:33:59,733 Can we talk? If I never go on tour again, would you be worried? 673 00:34:01,467 --> 00:34:02,333 I don't know. 674 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,933 - I don't think so. - Wouldn't I? 675 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:09,033 But because the only thing is that the performance, for us, 676 00:34:09,767 --> 00:34:12,500 plummeted. 677 00:34:12,567 --> 00:34:14,500 We can't evolve when no one can hear us. 678 00:34:14,567 --> 00:34:16,033 You see? So, for us, 679 00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:19,033 acting is difficult. It's always difficult. 680 00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:22,067 It means they don't listen, so you don't want to do it. 681 00:34:22,433 --> 00:34:25,033 Yes, we want to do it, but if they don't listen to us, 682 00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:26,967 and we can't even hear ourselves, 683 00:34:27,033 --> 00:34:29,933 then we can't improve, we can't get better. 684 00:34:30,667 --> 00:34:33,633 That's why we're trying to improve through recording. 685 00:34:33,700 --> 00:34:36,800 It took many months and a huge amount of money. 686 00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:39,533 And again, it was part of... 687 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,333 It wasn't just Sgt. Pepper, but other good albums of the time 688 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,667 who reversed the market who always said that... 689 00:34:47,733 --> 00:34:49,733 What mattered was the single, 690 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,800 and then the album profits from the single, 691 00:34:52,867 --> 00:34:55,100 that's why it has the single and a few other things in it, 692 00:34:55,333 --> 00:34:58,000 usually with the name of the single, like Please Please Me. 693 00:34:58,067 --> 00:35:00,733 But then the album started to be 694 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,633 the absolute focus on what the bands did and what pop groups did. 695 00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:08,500 They made albums and then the singles came off the album. 696 00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:10,633 - How are you? - Merry Christmas! 697 00:35:10,867 --> 00:35:12,100 - How are you? - Fine. 698 00:35:12,333 --> 00:35:13,900 - Can I ask you a few questions? - Yes. 699 00:35:13,967 --> 00:35:15,633 - I'm going to turn it this way. - Which way? 700 00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:16,833 - Yes, this way. - Hello, there. 701 00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:19,800 - You look very well. - Yes, I've had a bath. 702 00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:23,700 Is it true that the Beatles doing less together next year? 703 00:35:25,367 --> 00:35:26,633 Yes, we're not going to... 704 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,633 To do things together, the four of us, 705 00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:32,300 it's going to be the old stuff again. 706 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,000 - You don't want to do that? - We don't want to do what we did. 707 00:35:36,367 --> 00:35:38,733 The point is, in relation to the movie, 708 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,767 we couldn't come up with a decent script, or we're still trying to get one. 709 00:35:42,767 --> 00:35:43,700 If we can't, 710 00:35:43,767 --> 00:35:46,533 we'll probably do something different next year. 711 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,433 - Alone? - Yes, but... 712 00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:51,900 We won't finish. We'll get together at the end. 713 00:35:52,533 --> 00:35:54,400 - Thank you very much, Ringo. - Thank you, Ringo. 714 00:35:54,467 --> 00:35:57,100 - Are you going to work now? - I'll see what they're doing. 715 00:35:57,567 --> 00:36:00,000 I think it might be time for tea, with a bit of luck. Goodbye. 716 00:36:00,467 --> 00:36:04,000 Paul had started working on the idea of the ghost band. 717 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,100 Invent a band, and they could be the band, but no... 718 00:36:08,333 --> 00:36:09,500 And not the Beatles. 719 00:36:11,333 --> 00:36:12,567 How is it? Can I stop it? 720 00:36:12,633 --> 00:36:13,967 - Well... - Can I have a word with you? 721 00:36:14,033 --> 00:36:16,100 - Yes, I did. - I just wanted to ask you 722 00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:17,967 if you think that in the new year, 723 00:36:18,033 --> 00:36:20,033 will each go their own way? 724 00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:21,900 - No, no. - No? 725 00:36:21,967 --> 00:36:23,433 No. Definitely not. 726 00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:24,600 How about another word? 727 00:36:25,933 --> 00:36:27,500 The words are all yours. 728 00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:30,833 They were a little tired of being the Beatles, 729 00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:32,000 or rather, they weren't tired 730 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,400 of existing as the Beatles, 731 00:36:34,467 --> 00:36:37,700 but the name, "The Beatles", began to overwhelm them a little, 732 00:36:37,767 --> 00:36:40,667 and had the idea to create an alter ego, 733 00:36:40,733 --> 00:36:42,767 which would be called Sgt. Pepper, 734 00:36:42,833 --> 00:36:45,967 and was in line with the great of military tunics. 735 00:36:46,033 --> 00:36:48,000 It was in the mid-60s. 736 00:36:48,433 --> 00:36:49,733 But if you look, 737 00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:54,000 there's a photo of Paul's father, Jim McCartney, 738 00:36:54,067 --> 00:36:57,633 who had a small dance band, in the 1920s and 1930s in Liverpool. 739 00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:01,300 He played piano by ear in the Jim Mac Jazz Band. 740 00:37:01,367 --> 00:37:04,100 There's a photo of them, at the end of the 20s, 741 00:37:04,467 --> 00:37:07,033 and around a drum, 742 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,533 seemed like the concept of Sgt. Pepper, 743 00:37:11,433 --> 00:37:12,300 without marijuana. 744 00:37:13,567 --> 00:37:19,667 They became the forerunners of what became became almost a rock 'n' roll joke. 745 00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:22,733 How much time you can spend in the studio, on a project, 746 00:37:22,933 --> 00:37:24,433 and how much will it cost? 747 00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:27,833 The Beatles were in the studio making Sgt. Pepper, 748 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,833 to what everyone would say: "That must have been exciting." 749 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,300 It was the most boring time of their lives. 750 00:37:38,967 --> 00:37:43,900 We were used to recording albums in two, three days, maybe a week. 751 00:37:44,633 --> 00:37:46,533 Revolver took a few weeks, 752 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,933 but Sgt. Pepper dragged on, 753 00:37:50,533 --> 00:37:52,300 because they hadn't written it together. 754 00:37:53,333 --> 00:37:57,067 The only one who had prepared to go to the studio was Paul. 755 00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:00,567 When they went to the studio, women weren't allowed in, 756 00:38:00,633 --> 00:38:02,067 or their wives, nothing. 757 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:03,867 And they... 758 00:38:03,933 --> 00:38:07,067 Even during tours, they were always 759 00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:08,600 only the boys. 760 00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:12,967 And I think it was only Chris O'Dell who had the audacity to say it: 761 00:38:13,033 --> 00:38:14,667 "Can I come to a session?" 762 00:38:14,933 --> 00:38:16,700 Because none of us would dream 763 00:38:16,767 --> 00:38:19,600 thinking that we could watch them record. 764 00:38:19,667 --> 00:38:23,400 Everyone wonders why the groups have more and more time to record. 765 00:38:23,467 --> 00:38:25,533 Firstly, it's not the publisher's money. 766 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,067 It's an advance on the rights the group, the companies don't care. 767 00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:32,300 At first, the companies worry. "We're giving them time in the studio. 768 00:38:32,367 --> 00:38:34,500 If they don't succeed, we'll be the ones to pay." 769 00:38:34,567 --> 00:38:37,467 Once the group is successful, you can give it as much time as you like. 770 00:38:37,533 --> 00:38:39,567 They're the ones paying. It's coming out of their rights. 771 00:38:39,633 --> 00:38:41,533 This is not well explained to the groups, 772 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,000 so the groups think they are using the publisher's money. 773 00:38:44,067 --> 00:38:47,033 And by now, you already have some money to spare. 774 00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,767 to buy drugs, smoke and do things in the studio 775 00:38:49,833 --> 00:38:54,467 that are not compatible with speed and recordings take longer and longer. 776 00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:56,000 Paul was in charge. 777 00:38:56,633 --> 00:38:59,900 Obviously, George and John were responsible when it was their music, 778 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,667 that they had composed, but Paul was usually the boss. 779 00:39:04,833 --> 00:39:07,333 And he'd say: "Just the same." And they did 780 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,967 dozens and dozens of takes of the same thing, 781 00:39:10,033 --> 00:39:12,767 and I thought: "It was brilliant the first time. 782 00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:15,967 I wish they'd pack up and go home, I'm exhausted." 783 00:39:16,033 --> 00:39:18,067 Even trained engineers 784 00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:21,033 were amazed at what the Beatles were asking them to do. 785 00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:22,867 No one had ever done that. 786 00:39:25,033 --> 00:39:28,567 That way, Abbey Road was a blessing for them. 787 00:39:28,633 --> 00:39:32,333 They were full of enthusiasm and ideas, 788 00:39:32,733 --> 00:39:35,700 and often these are the best periods of our lives, 789 00:39:35,767 --> 00:39:38,833 in their 20s, and they could do what they wanted. 790 00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:42,333 They had the strength to go to Abbey Road and say: "We want to say things" 791 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,733 which is fantastic, because when they went there the first time, 792 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,467 entered through the side door. Now they're at the front door. 793 00:39:47,533 --> 00:39:49,700 "Whatever you want to do, Paul, we're with you." 794 00:39:49,767 --> 00:39:53,100 The point is that the Beatles prepared many things that we take for granted, 795 00:39:53,333 --> 00:39:55,100 like spending three months in the studio. 796 00:39:55,333 --> 00:39:58,667 We don't even think about it when U2 takes a year or two to make an album. 797 00:39:58,733 --> 00:40:00,467 The Beatles were the first to do so. 798 00:40:00,533 --> 00:40:03,700 The Beatles were the first to make albums like this, 799 00:40:03,767 --> 00:40:07,100 who were trying to do much more than pop albums, 800 00:40:07,333 --> 00:40:10,533 that weren't just a soundtrack to dance to or play in the car. 801 00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:14,067 Personally, I think John is a genius. 802 00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:16,367 I don't think there's any doubt about that. 803 00:40:16,433 --> 00:40:17,300 ON THE ROAD TO GREECE, JULY 1967 804 00:40:17,367 --> 00:40:19,667 And how many geniuses would in a group of four? 805 00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:26,000 But without Paul, I don't think John would have done what he did in his life. 806 00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:28,733 As I said, I call them the dream team. 807 00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:31,533 Paul had lost his mother when he was fourteen, 808 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,833 spent a lot of time with us, in our house. 809 00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:35,533 My mother, ironically, said: 810 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,733 "That poor boy, he's lost his mother." 811 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,900 And, of course, when our mother died, 812 00:40:43,533 --> 00:40:48,967 that was a connection, a real connection, between them, 813 00:40:49,433 --> 00:40:53,433 and I think that relationship was the basis of the Beatles. 814 00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:56,700 John had a reputation. 815 00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:01,767 People were attracted to him, because of his sharp wit, 816 00:41:01,833 --> 00:41:04,967 and for being a bit of a rebel, 817 00:41:05,033 --> 00:41:07,533 who didn't seem to concerned about anything. 818 00:41:08,367 --> 00:41:11,633 Paul was very polite, 819 00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:14,833 therefore, people are always drawn to the rebel, 820 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,800 as I was when I first met him. That's what attracted me to him. 821 00:41:18,867 --> 00:41:21,867 Paul was also exploring the avant-garde. It was very important. 822 00:41:21,933 --> 00:41:25,433 No idea was too crazy 823 00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:27,933 for Paul to explore. I'd been reading a lot, 824 00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:29,467 I used to go to art exhibitions, 825 00:41:29,533 --> 00:41:32,000 I listened to avant-garde composers, I listened to jazz, 826 00:41:32,433 --> 00:41:36,567 and developed a lot that way, in a meaningful way. 827 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,667 John... 828 00:41:38,833 --> 00:41:41,367 John read a lot and composed a lot, 829 00:41:41,433 --> 00:41:44,033 but mostly at home, because I had family commitments. 830 00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:46,833 Paul was ahead of him in that sense: "Let's explore London, 831 00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:49,533 the avant-garde, let's get in the underground movement. 832 00:41:49,867 --> 00:41:50,733 John was... 833 00:41:50,967 --> 00:41:52,600 He liked it, but he didn't have... 834 00:41:52,667 --> 00:41:56,467 I wasn't bold enough at the time to pursue him personally. 835 00:41:56,533 --> 00:41:58,800 But in November, he meets Yoko Ono, 836 00:41:58,867 --> 00:42:01,400 at the pre-opening of Galeria Indica, with Yoko's work. 837 00:42:01,467 --> 00:42:02,767 LONDON, AUGUST 1966 838 00:42:02,833 --> 00:42:05,067 And we all know where that led. 839 00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:06,467 One of the great myths, 840 00:42:06,533 --> 00:42:08,767 that still bothers Paul McCartney to this day, 841 00:42:08,833 --> 00:42:10,800 because it still tends to survive, 842 00:42:10,967 --> 00:42:13,967 John was the great experimenter, towards the avant-garde. 843 00:42:14,033 --> 00:42:18,567 Paul was sweeter, safe and smiling, without taking risks. 844 00:42:19,567 --> 00:42:20,667 That's not true. 845 00:42:21,333 --> 00:42:23,367 As Tony Bramwell said, 846 00:42:23,433 --> 00:42:27,467 John was a lazy man, who stayed at home in the suburbs. 847 00:42:27,867 --> 00:42:29,533 Paul lived in the middle of London. 848 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,367 Paul always had that desire to improve himself. 849 00:42:32,433 --> 00:42:36,300 He used to buy books on modern art when he was at school, 12 or 13 years old, 850 00:42:36,367 --> 00:42:39,733 and was closely linked to the avant-garde movement in London, 851 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,633 with very difficult music, brave, very contemporary, 852 00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:47,100 that had nothing to do with pop music. People like John Cage, 853 00:42:47,333 --> 00:42:49,300 Luciano Berio, people like that. 854 00:42:49,367 --> 00:42:50,567 He knew all this. 855 00:42:50,633 --> 00:42:52,000 Magnetic tape cycles, all of it. 856 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,367 Paul was the leader. 857 00:42:53,433 --> 00:42:55,833 There was a bookshop and gallery called Indica, 858 00:42:55,900 --> 00:43:00,033 and Paul had an open order, in that store for something new 859 00:43:00,467 --> 00:43:02,067 and then told John. 860 00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:04,500 So it was Paul who told John: 861 00:43:04,567 --> 00:43:08,000 "Relax, turn off your mind and let yourself go with the flow." 862 00:43:08,067 --> 00:43:12,367 John read the book, then wrote "Tomorrow Never Knows" 863 00:43:12,433 --> 00:43:14,667 and John became the avant-garde element. 864 00:43:15,033 --> 00:43:18,467 They were more involved in modern art, 865 00:43:18,967 --> 00:43:24,433 modern classical music and fashion designers than they gave them credit for. 866 00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:26,500 Don't forget that you went to very selective schools. 867 00:43:27,333 --> 00:43:31,900 And they continued, in John's case, to an art school. 868 00:43:32,567 --> 00:43:36,600 They were, unlike some rock 'n' roll stars... 869 00:43:36,667 --> 00:43:38,633 I have to choose the names carefully. 870 00:43:38,833 --> 00:43:42,533 ... who had left school at 15 and could barely read and write. 871 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,433 The Beatles were - apart from Ringo, who had never been to school... 872 00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:50,100 The Beatles were boys from good schools who had read Shakespeare at school, 873 00:43:50,333 --> 00:43:53,367 who had read novels and poetry. 874 00:43:54,067 --> 00:43:58,633 John and George were living in the countryside 875 00:43:59,467 --> 00:44:01,867 and Paul lived in the middle of London. 876 00:44:03,567 --> 00:44:06,567 They no longer spent much time together. 877 00:44:06,767 --> 00:44:11,400 Until 1966, they always walked together. 878 00:44:11,467 --> 00:44:14,433 They were a kind of monster with four heads. 879 00:44:16,333 --> 00:44:17,933 You couldn't see one without the others. 880 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,533 Paul was also the most musical, by far, 881 00:44:20,733 --> 00:44:21,900 and taught John a lot. 882 00:44:22,767 --> 00:44:25,967 So it was much more subtle. 883 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,400 The idea that Paul was the right guy, 884 00:44:30,667 --> 00:44:32,433 and dealt with public relations, 885 00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:33,933 well, that part was true, it really was him, 886 00:44:34,567 --> 00:44:37,533 but he was also extremely gifted. 887 00:44:38,333 --> 00:44:41,500 There had been many rumors 888 00:44:42,667 --> 00:44:45,800 of a different kind of music, that came from the past, 889 00:44:45,867 --> 00:44:47,067 that came out of Revolver. 890 00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:49,700 There was a lot of expectation for Rubber Soul and Revolver, 891 00:44:49,767 --> 00:44:53,033 but I don't remember as much anticipation as there was for Sgt. Pepper. 892 00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:56,433 This was partly due to the time they spent in the studio 893 00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:59,433 and this was constantly mentioned in the news, 894 00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:02,100 the money they were spending, the time they were taking. 895 00:45:02,333 --> 00:45:06,367 There were four geniuses there with George Martin. 896 00:45:06,433 --> 00:45:09,833 If you spend so much time on something, it has to be incredible, 897 00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:11,900 because it can't be anything less. 898 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,333 SGT PEPPER EXHIBITION THE HISTORY OF THE BEATLES 899 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,500 We have to go back to the time when it was launched. 900 00:45:22,333 --> 00:45:24,900 People don't realize the difficulties. 901 00:45:24,967 --> 00:45:28,567 It was made on a four-channel machine. 902 00:45:28,633 --> 00:45:31,533 George Martin said it was very difficult to work with. 903 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,400 Nowadays, we see what they can do in the studios, and with the rest, 904 00:45:35,467 --> 00:45:40,867 however, this album, made on a four-channel machine, is magical. 905 00:45:40,933 --> 00:45:44,333 I remember when they decided to to put the words on the cover because, 906 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,333 as you know, on all the albums that came out before, 907 00:45:48,533 --> 00:45:50,800 we discussed words. 908 00:45:51,333 --> 00:45:52,800 We weren't sure... 909 00:45:53,433 --> 00:45:56,500 One of the joys of the Beatles is that they still sang 910 00:45:56,933 --> 00:45:58,100 with a Liverpool accent. 911 00:45:58,333 --> 00:46:00,033 A great story for me was... 912 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,500 When I was in Stafford Street... 913 00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:06,067 George came in one day and said: 914 00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:09,500 "I have these letters, can you machine them? 915 00:46:09,567 --> 00:46:11,333 Because they're hard to read." 916 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,033 He said: "I'll sit next to you, 917 00:46:14,733 --> 00:46:17,667 I'll read them to you and you can write them down." 918 00:46:18,367 --> 00:46:20,467 That's what I did, 919 00:46:20,933 --> 00:46:24,700 and whenever he finished a song, he would play it for me 920 00:46:25,367 --> 00:46:26,700 and I'd throw it in the trash. 921 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,633 All the lyrics from Sgt. Pepper have gone to waste. 922 00:46:33,733 --> 00:46:34,867 If only I'd known... 923 00:46:35,567 --> 00:46:37,500 EMI was very shocked 924 00:46:37,567 --> 00:46:42,433 with what they had to spend on the album cover, 925 00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:46,900 and also because they want the letters completely, 926 00:46:47,067 --> 00:46:50,333 of course, the Beatles were making their own bed, 927 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,867 because once people knew the lyrics, it would be crazy 928 00:46:53,933 --> 00:46:57,867 interpreting letters 929 00:46:57,933 --> 00:47:01,767 and assigning meanings that, probably weren't there. 930 00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:05,967 They had a design made to a group called The Fool, 931 00:47:06,033 --> 00:47:07,900 it was a psychedelic design 932 00:47:08,467 --> 00:47:11,900 and Robert Fraser, who was hired to advise them, 933 00:47:11,967 --> 00:47:13,900 owned a gallery and said: 934 00:47:13,967 --> 00:47:17,067 "That won't do, it'll be out of date soon." 935 00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:22,833 So they decided to go with a concept that, Paul said: 936 00:47:23,433 --> 00:47:29,300 "We're going to write a list of all our heroes and that will be the cover, 937 00:47:29,367 --> 00:47:32,833 all the heroes and people we admire will be on this album." 938 00:47:33,567 --> 00:47:37,300 Brian Epstein was in New York at the time, 939 00:47:37,533 --> 00:47:39,333 and was horrified when he found out. 940 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,100 He thought: "So many people. It's the Beatles that matter." 941 00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:45,467 He decided to return to London, 942 00:47:45,533 --> 00:47:48,333 but he had a vision that he would die in a plane crash, 943 00:47:48,633 --> 00:47:52,533 so he left a message for Nat Weiss' lawyer: 944 00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:57,733 "Brown paper covers for the Sgt. Pepper album." 945 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,067 People expected to be at the forefront of everything. 946 00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:03,367 People thought: "No. The Beatles do this first 947 00:48:03,433 --> 00:48:04,833 and then everyone follows." 948 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,833 Then, of course, came the era of military tunics, 949 00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:12,833 that Sgt. Pepper hit the nail on the head. Then there was the hippie era. 950 00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:15,600 Of course, you can understand that John Lennon, typically, 951 00:48:15,667 --> 00:48:17,767 wanted Jesus Christ, Hitler. 952 00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:21,900 Hitler is in the picture, but he's hiding behind something. 953 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,367 And when Sir Joseph Lockwood, of EMI, came in 954 00:48:26,433 --> 00:48:29,333 and saw the image of Gandhi, he was livid. 955 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,533 "We can't do that. We sell a lot in India." 956 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,633 It has been removed. 957 00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:34,067 But... 958 00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:38,500 And Peter Blake got nine wax figures 959 00:48:38,567 --> 00:48:41,100 from Madame Tussaud's, 960 00:48:41,333 --> 00:48:43,333 four of the Beatles and others 961 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,700 such as Sonny Liston and Diana Dors, who also appear. 962 00:48:45,767 --> 00:48:47,767 At first he said to them: 963 00:48:47,833 --> 00:48:51,667 "You have all your heroes, movie stars and musicians. 964 00:48:52,333 --> 00:48:53,833 Why don't they have a footballer?" 965 00:48:53,900 --> 00:48:56,933 And the answer was that none of the four was interested in soccer, 966 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,767 even though they grew up in Liverpool. 967 00:48:58,933 --> 00:49:02,333 As a teenager, they didn't go to soccer matches. 968 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,633 They weren't fans, really, 969 00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:07,767 because they were so busy playing guitar, playing in The Quarrymen. 970 00:49:08,467 --> 00:49:11,667 I saw that Paul, later on, said he came from an Everton family, 971 00:49:11,967 --> 00:49:15,000 but he never mentioned it at the time, when you were with him, 972 00:49:15,433 --> 00:49:18,300 and your father never mentioned it. 973 00:49:19,033 --> 00:49:21,833 So they said "Yes, that's a good idea." 974 00:49:22,367 --> 00:49:24,867 and put a footballer in the whole lineup: 975 00:49:25,767 --> 00:49:26,933 Albert Stubbins. 976 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,767 And John chose Albert Stubbins because the name amused him. 977 00:49:30,833 --> 00:49:32,467 If it had been any other year, 978 00:49:32,533 --> 00:49:34,667 Ravi Shankar would be there and the Maharishi. 979 00:49:34,733 --> 00:49:37,033 Many of them were Americans, so we had... 980 00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:41,333 Back then, we didn't have emails. 981 00:49:41,967 --> 00:49:44,667 We had to write to them, ask their permission, 982 00:49:44,733 --> 00:49:46,367 and if they were dead, 983 00:49:46,433 --> 00:49:49,667 we needed permission from the families. 984 00:49:50,067 --> 00:49:52,433 So I had a file this thick 985 00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:57,800 with all the correspondence from Sgt. Pepper. 986 00:49:58,667 --> 00:49:59,567 Chertsey. 987 00:49:59,633 --> 00:50:01,900 Ready to set off for Weybridge, a gypsy-style caravan. 988 00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:05,400 A present for a four-year-old boy who probably has everything. 989 00:50:05,833 --> 00:50:08,300 His name: Julian Lennon, son of John Lennon. 990 00:50:08,367 --> 00:50:09,467 Who else but the Beatle? 991 00:50:10,467 --> 00:50:13,900 It's a renovated carriage, with cheerful about 4,000 pounds, 992 00:50:13,967 --> 00:50:15,800 a big toy for a small child. 993 00:50:16,367 --> 00:50:17,867 He even needed a police escort, 994 00:50:18,067 --> 00:50:21,667 but not all parents spend this kind of money on their children. 995 00:50:21,967 --> 00:50:25,400 This could be an occasion when money can buy love. 996 00:50:25,933 --> 00:50:28,967 If I ever decide to leave home, and it doesn't seem likely, 997 00:50:29,367 --> 00:50:31,700 will be the on the road. 998 00:50:34,467 --> 00:50:37,367 I visited a friend, near King's Road, 999 00:50:37,433 --> 00:50:40,367 and there were quite a few of us, sitting around the table, 1000 00:50:40,433 --> 00:50:44,100 listening to great music, smoking weed 1001 00:50:44,333 --> 00:50:46,500 and nobody said much. 1002 00:50:46,567 --> 00:50:49,733 I remember there were some books on the table. 1003 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,567 They were always spiritual books very interesting. 1004 00:50:52,633 --> 00:50:56,733 I remember picking up one called Karma and Rebirth, 1005 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,033 from someone called Christmans Humphreys. 1006 00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:02,733 I was leafing through the book and I saw a sentence that said: 1007 00:51:03,033 --> 00:51:05,700 "Life goes on inside you and without you." 1008 00:51:06,667 --> 00:51:08,733 And I thought: "This is very special." 1009 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,700 I immediately called Patti and George, 1010 00:51:10,767 --> 00:51:13,667 George answered and I said: "Listen to this: 1011 00:51:13,733 --> 00:51:16,033 'Life goes on inside you and without you.'" 1012 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:17,900 He loved it and, of course, 1013 00:51:17,967 --> 00:51:20,033 that became the song "Within You Without You. 1014 00:51:20,567 --> 00:51:23,800 George Martin told me, years later, after George Harrison died: 1015 00:51:23,967 --> 00:51:26,100 "The reason for being the first song 1016 00:51:26,333 --> 00:51:28,367 on the second side of Sgt. Pepper 1017 00:51:28,433 --> 00:51:33,800 is so that people can skip to the second track without hearing it." 1018 00:51:34,467 --> 00:51:35,800 And I never thought it would work. 1019 00:51:36,433 --> 00:51:40,933 The presence of the sitar in music, in rock or psychedelic music, 1020 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,733 was something very important on the Sgt. Pepper album. 1021 00:51:45,533 --> 00:51:46,900 No one had... 1022 00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:49,533 We had seen Elvis and Little Richard, 1023 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,367 but we wouldn't imagine someone using a sitar 1024 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,567 in a popular band, at that time. 1025 00:51:55,633 --> 00:51:58,533 Paul said, quite rightly, that when he was a child, 1026 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,100 album covers were very important, 1027 00:52:01,333 --> 00:52:04,900 the colors of the brands and even the smell of the album. 1028 00:52:04,967 --> 00:52:08,333 He was very aware of the visual and tactile aspects 1029 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,600 of an album and all the details that, as children, we absorb, 1030 00:52:11,667 --> 00:52:14,433 even the of Garrod and Lofthouse, 1031 00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:16,367 the printer, at the bottom. 1032 00:52:16,433 --> 00:52:18,433 He wanted it to be full of good things, 1033 00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:21,900 with good illustrations and details inside. 1034 00:52:21,967 --> 00:52:24,100 Fool had done... 1035 00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:27,033 A splash of color on the inside of the cover. 1036 00:52:27,633 --> 00:52:30,033 It did what it said on the packaging. It was stunning. 1037 00:52:30,967 --> 00:52:33,767 When we picked them up, they were dressed in Sgt. Pepper gear, 1038 00:52:34,667 --> 00:52:36,867 then we pull back the cover and think: 1039 00:52:36,933 --> 00:52:39,567 "We can cut out Pepper's moustache." 1040 00:52:39,933 --> 00:52:43,367 There was Sgt. Pepper. We can cut it out and put it up. 1041 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:44,733 I think the dilemma was: 1042 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,767 "Do I leave it as it is, so as not to ruin it?" 1043 00:52:47,833 --> 00:52:50,567 That's what I did, because I thought I wouldn't last long 1044 00:52:50,633 --> 00:52:52,967 wearing a cardboard moustache. 1045 00:52:53,733 --> 00:52:55,433 Especially at the age of ten. 1046 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,933 I still have it as it was, flattened on the spot. 1047 00:53:00,433 --> 00:53:05,067 But that was the kind of thing that wrapped us in the cape. 1048 00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:06,967 It was all Paul's idea. 1049 00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:10,467 I saw sketches of what I was doing. I heard the discussions. 1050 00:53:10,533 --> 00:53:12,600 I've heard discussions about the title. 1051 00:53:12,667 --> 00:53:14,800 I heard how they were going to fix it. 1052 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,600 And I passed by one day and he said: "Let's do the photography tonight." 1053 00:53:18,733 --> 00:53:21,467 So, I entered your Mini Minor 1054 00:53:21,667 --> 00:53:26,700 and we went to Michael Cooper's studio in Flood Street. 1055 00:53:27,467 --> 00:53:30,933 As we were leaving Paul's house, which he still owns, around the corner, 1056 00:53:31,633 --> 00:53:34,633 he said: "We'll need things to decorate the front." 1057 00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:38,967 They had seen drawings and were still experimenting and changing their minds. 1058 00:53:39,033 --> 00:53:42,067 I had seen suits arriving at the house. They tried them on and said: 1059 00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:44,100 "No, it's not that. I want a different one." 1060 00:53:44,567 --> 00:53:49,433 Then he said: "Choose something to put in front of the picture." 1061 00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:53,400 I looked around and from his shelf I took a statue. 1062 00:53:53,467 --> 00:53:55,533 I think, actually, I didn't know what it was. 1063 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:56,667 It was like this: 1064 00:53:57,967 --> 00:54:02,000 Like a spaceship, which they had a few years earlier. 1065 00:54:02,067 --> 00:54:05,333 John had offered his to a fan who came to his door, 1066 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,367 gave it to him. 1067 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,667 So I took it down from the fireplace, next to her Magritte. 1068 00:54:09,733 --> 00:54:10,767 He loved Magritte 1069 00:54:10,833 --> 00:54:14,100 and had bought Magritte's portrait with the apple, 1070 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,533 which was used by the Apple company. 1071 00:54:16,933 --> 00:54:19,600 And Linda bought it too 1072 00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:23,867 the easel and the pallet Magritte's original palette, 1073 00:54:24,333 --> 00:54:26,967 and he wanted to include Magritte, but no, the old one... 1074 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,900 Robert Fraser's people, for whom he was an agent. 1075 00:54:33,067 --> 00:54:36,067 For me, that was a bit of a disaster. 1076 00:54:36,433 --> 00:54:40,000 It could have been a wonderful concept, 1077 00:54:40,467 --> 00:54:43,300 all their heroes and all the people who influenced them, 1078 00:54:43,367 --> 00:54:46,067 which would have given us a privileged view of the Beatles, 1079 00:54:46,467 --> 00:54:50,833 was rejected, so don't think that this is the genuine cover, 1080 00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:54,000 authentic Sgt. Pepper, because it's not. 1081 00:54:54,467 --> 00:54:56,900 It was a kind of deductive logic, of thinking: 1082 00:54:57,833 --> 00:54:59,533 "Who did they leave out? 1083 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:00,567 Why all these?" 1084 00:55:00,633 --> 00:55:02,700 But they were all people of the time, 1085 00:55:02,767 --> 00:55:04,000 all the big ones. 1086 00:55:05,567 --> 00:55:08,033 We didn't know if they were raising them 1087 00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:10,367 or saying: "These are our heroes." 1088 00:55:10,667 --> 00:55:15,633 I wasn't sure, but for me, there was a lot of irony. 1089 00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:16,567 I thought: 1090 00:55:16,833 --> 00:55:19,333 "You know what? They're making fun of it." 1091 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,767 They put all those people more than themselves, 1092 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,467 they're putting them in there: "These are our friends." 1093 00:55:25,533 --> 00:55:28,667 And that lovely detail: "Welcome to the Rolling Stones." 1094 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,100 It was incredibly expensive 1095 00:55:31,333 --> 00:55:33,333 and EMI thought they were crazy. 1096 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,567 Why would they want to do all this on a pop album 1097 00:55:36,633 --> 00:55:39,433 that will be replaced within six months? 1098 00:55:39,633 --> 00:55:41,867 So... They didn't understand. 1099 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,667 The Beatles had enormous ambition. 1100 00:55:45,067 --> 00:55:49,567 Huge ambition, talent and ego. 1101 00:55:49,633 --> 00:55:52,100 "We're going to do something special. This is going to be really good." 1102 00:55:52,333 --> 00:55:57,367 These are almost the medals and Pete Best's father 1103 00:55:57,767 --> 00:56:01,033 was a boxing promoter in Liverpool, at the Liverpool Stadium, 1104 00:56:01,567 --> 00:56:02,933 and had... 1105 00:56:03,867 --> 00:56:08,433 A kind of cup that was awarded to him in Liverpool, 1106 00:56:08,867 --> 00:56:13,067 that Neil Aspinall brought to be used on the cover. 1107 00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:15,533 My mother's family, even though they're English, 1108 00:56:16,533 --> 00:56:20,100 was born during British rule in India, was a military family. 1109 00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:23,933 Her father, my grandfather, 1110 00:56:24,867 --> 00:56:28,033 was a major in the Lancers. 1111 00:56:28,667 --> 00:56:32,633 And she was very proud of the fact her father had several medals. 1112 00:56:33,433 --> 00:56:36,333 I think on several occasions, while I was regaling them, 1113 00:56:36,633 --> 00:56:39,433 she showed these medals to the four of them. 1114 00:56:39,867 --> 00:56:41,800 Brian stopped by the house, obviously in 1967, 1115 00:56:41,867 --> 00:56:44,600 when they were assimilating everything for Sgt. Pepper. 1116 00:56:44,767 --> 00:56:48,367 John remembered the medals 1117 00:56:48,867 --> 00:56:51,433 and said: "I think they would be perfect for Sgt. Pepper. 1118 00:56:51,867 --> 00:56:55,033 Can you ask Mona if I can borrow them?" 1119 00:56:55,867 --> 00:56:59,433 She said to Neil: "Take them with my blessing. 1120 00:56:59,967 --> 00:57:02,367 But tell John I want them back." 1121 00:57:03,467 --> 00:57:05,100 So Neil took them to London. 1122 00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:08,367 At the time of the decision, 1123 00:57:08,433 --> 00:57:10,500 looking at the medals and the other pieces, 1124 00:57:10,567 --> 00:57:12,967 John decided that the medals he would wear 1125 00:57:13,033 --> 00:57:14,867 would be part of that collection, 1126 00:57:14,933 --> 00:57:17,900 so we can see them in Sgt. Peps. 1127 00:57:20,033 --> 00:57:23,367 The beauty is that he remained true to his word, 1128 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:29,833 because he sent the medals back to Mona via Neil. 1129 00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:34,700 And that's how the family got involved in Sgt. Pepper. 1130 00:57:34,767 --> 00:57:38,333 The album became the best-selling album in the world 1131 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,333 e... 1132 00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:42,967 They are there. 1133 00:57:43,667 --> 00:57:46,600 But for many years, nobody knew. 1134 00:57:46,967 --> 00:57:49,033 Chas and Jimi were good friends of mine 1135 00:57:49,567 --> 00:57:53,067 and I had an acetate of Sgt. Pepper. 1136 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,667 I gave it to Chas and he played it for Jimi, 1137 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,533 Jimi immediately got attached, 1138 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,867 rehearsed and composed it. 1139 00:58:04,633 --> 00:58:06,733 I heard him play it at the Saville Theatre, 1140 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,633 on the Sunday after the premiere of Pepper, 1141 00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:13,333 he touched it. 1142 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,667 McCartney stopped by and loved it. 1143 00:58:16,033 --> 00:58:17,833 He felt very complimented, 1144 00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:21,833 because she was a rock star very, very tough, 1145 00:58:21,900 --> 00:58:25,333 playing his material. He was a composer. 1146 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,667 He loved it when other people played his songs. 1147 00:58:27,933 --> 00:58:30,700 When Sgt. Pepper came out, on June 1st, 1967, 1148 00:58:30,767 --> 00:58:33,667 was announced for so long that we knew it was coming. 1149 00:58:33,733 --> 00:58:35,733 The anticipation was enormous, 1150 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,967 we read that NME, Melody Maker, were waiting for this. 1151 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,633 Wherever we went on King's Road, anywhere, 1152 00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:46,300 was ringing, in all the boutiques, all the stores. 1153 00:58:46,633 --> 00:58:47,867 It was an event. 1154 00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:52,100 And the album, when I saw the cover, the cover itself was an event. 1155 00:58:52,333 --> 00:58:54,733 It was as if they were saying: "We're not joking. 1156 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,600 This is special." 1157 00:58:56,667 --> 00:58:58,000 It was a huge presentation. 1158 00:58:58,067 --> 00:59:03,000 When we were making the movie for "Strawberry Fields", 1159 00:59:03,667 --> 00:59:06,367 was filmed in Sevenoaks, Kent, 1160 00:59:06,433 --> 00:59:10,367 and there was a small hotel there called Bright's Hotel 1161 00:59:10,433 --> 00:59:12,467 and next door was an antique shop. 1162 00:59:13,067 --> 00:59:15,933 The poster was there, on the wall, 1163 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,800 and he bought it for half a crown, or a pound, something like that. 1164 00:59:22,067 --> 00:59:23,533 Basically, it said: 1165 00:59:24,633 --> 00:59:27,700 "For the benefit of Mr. Kite", and listed all the numbers 1166 00:59:27,767 --> 00:59:30,067 Pablo Fanque's fair, and all that stuff. 1167 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:32,900 The dancing horse. 1168 00:59:34,067 --> 00:59:38,600 He framed it and put it in his office in Weybridge, 1169 00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:41,367 and wrote the music... 1170 00:59:41,433 --> 00:59:42,567 THE BIGGEST NIGHT OF THE SEASON! 1171 00:59:42,633 --> 00:59:43,833 FOR CHARITY MR. KITE 1172 00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:45,833 ... directly from the poster. 1173 00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:48,733 He turned it into poetry. 1174 00:59:49,633 --> 00:59:55,700 And then George Martin added the wonderful fairground effects, 1175 00:59:55,767 --> 00:59:57,667 a masterpiece. 1176 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,533 Because he received inspiration in other ways. 1177 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,733 On the album Sgt. Pepper, 1178 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,100 and also the Daily Mail article about his friend, Tara Browne, 1179 01:00:06,333 --> 01:00:07,967 who died in a car accident. 1180 01:00:08,033 --> 01:00:11,300 And the same happened to Paul, taking the idea from the Daily Mail 1181 01:00:11,367 --> 01:00:13,500 for "She's Leaving Home" about Melanie Coe... 1182 01:00:13,567 --> 01:00:14,767 MISSING... THE YOUNG WOMAN WHO 'HAS IT ALL' 1183 01:00:14,833 --> 01:00:16,500 ... who ran away with her man. 1184 01:00:16,567 --> 01:00:18,600 Paul added that it was with a man in the car business. 1185 01:00:18,667 --> 01:00:21,333 He invented it and everyone thinks it was Terry Doran, 1186 01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:22,500 but Paul says no. 1187 01:00:22,567 --> 01:00:25,933 Terry Doran was their friend who ran the car business. 1188 01:00:26,633 --> 01:00:27,533 Chertsey. 1189 01:00:29,433 --> 01:00:32,633 It was one of the wheels on John Lennon's Rolls. It's superb. 1190 01:00:32,700 --> 01:00:34,700 If you're over 80, it means you're fabulous. 1191 01:00:35,033 --> 01:00:39,933 A 1965 Phantom weighing 6000 pounds, as wonderful on the inside as it is on the outside. 1192 01:00:40,467 --> 01:00:41,700 Or maybe not so much, 1193 01:00:42,300 --> 01:00:44,700 now that the supercar has been tremendously improved. 1194 01:00:44,767 --> 01:00:46,667 Not even a Beatle could ask for more. 1195 01:00:48,933 --> 01:00:50,967 When Paul went public about LSD, 1196 01:00:51,033 --> 01:00:54,333 talking to a reporter from LIFE magazine, 1197 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:55,467 that was used. 1198 01:00:55,533 --> 01:00:58,400 I certainly remember reading it on the cover of the Daily Mirror and, 1199 01:00:58,467 --> 01:01:03,733 of course, the news agencies came on board. 1200 01:01:04,067 --> 01:01:06,033 I think John was a bit sulky 1201 01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:08,933 because he and George were the first to take LSD 1202 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,300 and Paul, who tried it relatively late, 1203 01:01:11,367 --> 01:01:13,533 was the first to say: "I took LSD." 1204 01:01:14,100 --> 01:01:16,467 They thought it was a bit unfair to them, 1205 01:01:16,533 --> 01:01:18,733 because they had been pioneers in this area. 1206 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,467 Paul, how many times have you taken LSD? 1207 01:01:21,533 --> 01:01:22,933 TELEVISION NEWS INTERVIEW JUNE 1967 1208 01:01:23,667 --> 01:01:24,767 About four times. 1209 01:01:25,700 --> 01:01:27,000 And where did you get it? 1210 01:01:27,733 --> 01:01:30,467 If I told you where I got it, 1211 01:01:30,533 --> 01:01:32,967 as it is illegal, it would be stupid to say that. 1212 01:01:33,100 --> 01:01:34,100 I'd rather not say. 1213 01:01:34,333 --> 01:01:37,900 Don't you think it's a question you should keep private? 1214 01:01:38,733 --> 01:01:42,433 The point is that a journalist asked me a question, 1215 01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:48,000 so the decision was between telling a lie or... 1216 01:01:49,367 --> 01:01:50,667 Tell him the truth. 1217 01:01:51,467 --> 01:01:52,900 I decided to tell him the truth, 1218 01:01:54,633 --> 01:01:57,667 but I didn't want to say anything, 1219 01:01:57,733 --> 01:01:59,067 because if it were my decision, 1220 01:01:59,733 --> 01:02:02,700 if it were the way I want it, I wouldn't have told anyone, 1221 01:02:02,767 --> 01:02:05,667 because I'm not trying to spread the word. 1222 01:02:06,033 --> 01:02:10,067 But the newspaper man is the of mass communication. 1223 01:02:10,300 --> 01:02:14,733 I would have kept it private, if he had done the same. 1224 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,033 But he wanted to spread the word, 1225 01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:20,100 so it's his responsibility, for spreading it, not mine. 1226 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,367 But you are a public figure and it was you who said it. 1227 01:02:24,433 --> 01:02:27,367 I should have known that it would be in the papers. 1228 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,400 But in saying that he was only telling the truth. 1229 01:02:31,467 --> 01:02:32,933 I'm telling you the truth. 1230 01:02:33,333 --> 01:02:35,400 I don't know why they're so angry. 1231 01:02:35,833 --> 01:02:39,100 Do you think you've encouraged your fans to take drugs? 1232 01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:41,400 I don't think it makes any difference. 1233 01:02:41,467 --> 01:02:44,867 I don't think my fans take drugs just because I did. 1234 01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:47,800 But that's not the point. 1235 01:02:47,867 --> 01:02:49,533 They wondered if he had done it. 1236 01:02:50,467 --> 01:02:54,433 From there, the point reached 1237 01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:56,533 and the number of people it will encourage 1238 01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,500 it depends on the newspapers, and on you, on television. 1239 01:02:59,967 --> 01:03:02,333 You are spreading it, right now, as we speak. 1240 01:03:02,767 --> 01:03:05,533 This goes for every home in Great Britain, 1241 01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:08,100 and I'd rather it wasn't. 1242 01:03:08,467 --> 01:03:10,700 But you're asking me the questions. You want me to be honest. 1243 01:03:10,767 --> 01:03:11,900 I'll be honest. 1244 01:03:12,467 --> 01:03:15,833 But as a public figure, you will certainly have a responsibility... 1245 01:03:15,900 --> 01:03:17,967 No, it's your responsibility. 1246 01:03:18,733 --> 01:03:21,500 You have a responsibility not to spread it now. 1247 01:03:21,967 --> 01:03:26,667 I'm prepared to keep this a private matter, if you are too. 1248 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,733 If you remain silent about this, I will too. 1249 01:03:29,067 --> 01:03:31,833 We have to remember that the emergence of LSD, 1250 01:03:31,900 --> 01:03:36,367 the first was at a time when it wasn't illegal in this country, 1251 01:03:36,433 --> 01:03:40,100 in a place called International Psychedelic Center, 1252 01:03:40,333 --> 01:03:42,500 where we could enter to try it out on the street. 1253 01:03:42,567 --> 01:03:44,900 It was spread on a piece of bread. 1254 01:03:44,967 --> 01:03:46,733 Soon, it was outlawed, 1255 01:03:47,567 --> 01:03:51,600 and several very plausible very plausible, 1256 01:03:51,667 --> 01:03:53,833 that it was something fantastic. 1257 01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:57,467 John always said "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" 1258 01:03:57,533 --> 01:04:00,333 was actually Julian, her son, who had come home from school 1259 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,967 with a drawing, and it was of Lucy, a girl from school, 1260 01:04:05,333 --> 01:04:06,900 in the sky, with diamonds. 1261 01:04:07,367 --> 01:04:09,300 And John always said that it wasn't about LSD, 1262 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,333 and he thought he wasn't. 1263 01:04:11,733 --> 01:04:14,467 I think it probably was, honestly. 1264 01:04:15,467 --> 01:04:17,300 John would have to be dyslexic 1265 01:04:17,367 --> 01:04:21,633 not to see that "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" was LSD, 1266 01:04:21,700 --> 01:04:23,533 and we know that John was not dyslexic. 1267 01:04:23,967 --> 01:04:26,667 Although John says it was just an accident, 1268 01:04:26,733 --> 01:04:30,500 we can use a little artistic freedom 1269 01:04:30,933 --> 01:04:34,533 to think that it was a little more than a coincidence. 1270 01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,533 The initials "LSD" are random. 1271 01:04:39,067 --> 01:04:39,933 They... 1272 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,600 I don't believe there was code anywhere, 1273 01:04:43,933 --> 01:04:47,567 but from time to time, in things like "I Am The Walrus", 1274 01:04:47,667 --> 01:04:49,867 people would ask: "What does that mean, John? 1275 01:04:49,933 --> 01:04:52,300 Can we clarify that?" 1276 01:04:52,967 --> 01:04:57,800 He would deliberately say meaningless things. 1277 01:04:57,933 --> 01:05:00,567 I have a quote in my book that says: "Let them figure it out for themselves. 1278 01:05:00,633 --> 01:05:02,633 Let them find out. It will confuse them." 1279 01:05:03,067 --> 01:05:06,800 He wasn't sending messages. He was sending diversions. 1280 01:05:06,867 --> 01:05:08,767 The Beatles have a very good history 1281 01:05:08,933 --> 01:05:11,333 about why "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" is not about LSD, 1282 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,967 but it was probably written by Brian Epstein, wasn't it? 1283 01:05:14,833 --> 01:05:17,433 I think it would probably be about LSD 1284 01:05:17,633 --> 01:05:19,567 and they were told that it would be better if it didn't. 1285 01:05:19,633 --> 01:05:23,400 As for the rest, the BBC was right, that's what it was, 1286 01:05:23,467 --> 01:05:26,433 but you were wrong to ban it, because it was part of youth culture. 1287 01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:28,700 In Sgt. Pepper, they knew what they were doing. 1288 01:05:28,767 --> 01:05:32,400 They were adding little jokes... There were jokes before 1289 01:05:33,767 --> 01:05:36,600 in Penny Lane, Fish and finger pie". 1290 01:05:36,933 --> 01:05:38,500 They added it on purpose. 1291 01:05:38,967 --> 01:05:40,833 It was a bit vulgar, actually. 1292 01:05:41,467 --> 01:05:42,533 Teenage obscenity. 1293 01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,100 They banned "A Day in the Life". They got it wrong. 1294 01:05:46,333 --> 01:05:49,000 "Too many holes to fill in the Albert Hall", 1295 01:05:49,067 --> 01:05:50,967 was based on an article in the Daily Mail... 1296 01:05:51,033 --> 01:05:52,033 THE POTHOLES IN OUR ROADS 1297 01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:54,467 ... about potholes in Blackburn, Lancashire, 1298 01:05:54,867 --> 01:05:57,700 and thought it was related with needles in the arm, 1299 01:05:58,333 --> 01:05:59,033 so they banned it. 1300 01:05:59,433 --> 01:06:01,767 That was the kind of attitude that existed in those days. 1301 01:06:02,300 --> 01:06:05,967 There's no doubt that, on that album, they were taking risks. 1302 01:06:06,033 --> 01:06:08,100 They knew they were taking risks 1303 01:06:08,733 --> 01:06:11,933 when they made the long cry of "I'd love to turn you on". 1304 01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:14,967 They knew what they were doing, 1305 01:06:15,533 --> 01:06:18,500 they had gotten away with so much, 1306 01:06:18,567 --> 01:06:21,800 who thought they could get away with this, and to a large extent, they did. 1307 01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:25,000 They introduced the world 1308 01:06:25,067 --> 01:06:27,833 to psychedelics and psychedelic drugs. 1309 01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:28,967 They had the platform. 1310 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,367 There were many things were happening in America, 1311 01:06:31,667 --> 01:06:34,300 a lot of drugs and Timothy Leary. 1312 01:06:34,933 --> 01:06:38,900 And to use that great phrase from the Tibetan Book of the Dead: 1313 01:06:40,367 --> 01:06:42,500 "She said: 'I know what it's like to be dead'", 1314 01:06:42,567 --> 01:06:43,900 which was stunning. 1315 01:06:43,967 --> 01:06:46,600 Suddenly, they went from "She Loves You" to that. 1316 01:06:47,333 --> 01:06:49,400 It was a dramatic statement. 1317 01:06:49,467 --> 01:06:52,300 Usually, it was Mick, Keith and his group 1318 01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,433 that they carried on their heads for being a terrible influence, 1319 01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:59,100 the kind of people we wouldn't let our daughter go out with. 1320 01:07:00,700 --> 01:07:03,467 But the Beatles were no saints. Certainly not themselves, 1321 01:07:04,067 --> 01:07:06,700 collectively, they would admit it. 1322 01:07:07,100 --> 01:07:10,533 Somehow, it wasn't seen as drugs 1323 01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,767 that have always terrified the British, 1324 01:07:12,833 --> 01:07:16,667 like cocaine, which was always present. 1325 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,600 People used to say, in the 20s, people like Lady Diana Cooper, 1326 01:07:20,667 --> 01:07:22,467 a great social figure of the 20s, 1327 01:07:22,533 --> 01:07:25,633 he said later, when he met pop stars: 1328 01:07:25,700 --> 01:07:28,733 "In the 1920s, we used to go to dinners 1329 01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,633 and there were silver salt shakers full of cocaine." 1330 01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:33,100 So I wasn't very young. 1331 01:07:33,733 --> 01:07:37,300 Lennon was reading Lewis Carrol, and things like that, 1332 01:07:37,367 --> 01:07:39,767 were absorbing all this kind of stuff. 1333 01:07:39,833 --> 01:07:43,367 At the time, I suppose the drugs seemed progressive: 1334 01:07:43,433 --> 01:07:45,667 "We can find an inner light 1335 01:07:45,733 --> 01:07:47,800 and interpret it in certain ways." 1336 01:07:47,867 --> 01:07:51,300 Music is a spiritual thing, in many ways. 1337 01:07:51,367 --> 01:07:53,600 They retreated to the men's room. 1338 01:07:53,667 --> 01:07:55,433 They didn't do it in the studio. 1339 01:07:55,500 --> 01:07:58,033 Or they'd duck behind something 1340 01:07:58,100 --> 01:08:00,000 to take a quick puff on a joint. 1341 01:08:00,700 --> 01:08:03,633 But there was a moment when John had to climb onto the roof, 1342 01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:06,533 and, once again, this shows the closeness between them. 1343 01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:10,500 Paul took him home, to Paul's house in St. John's Wood, 1344 01:08:10,567 --> 01:08:12,500 and Neil Aspinall was there too, 1345 01:08:12,567 --> 01:08:15,800 and looked after John, as he needed care because of the LSD. 1346 01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:19,033 The issue with acids 1347 01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:23,600 is that we always know that whatever happens during the journey, 1348 01:08:23,667 --> 01:08:25,033 we knew it was there, 1349 01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:29,733 and now it's just a question of of living with that information, 1350 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,400 instead of continuing to consume. 1351 01:08:31,467 --> 01:08:34,000 That's why it was easy when the Maharishi showed up, 1352 01:08:34,067 --> 01:08:35,733 because everyone was ready. 1353 01:08:36,567 --> 01:08:42,367 The Maharishi era begins, in fact, with George's wife, Patti Boyd, 1354 01:08:42,433 --> 01:08:44,567 who had heard of the Maharishi. 1355 01:08:44,633 --> 01:08:47,667 The Maharishi had been coming to London years before that. 1356 01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:50,767 I remember seeing his picture in the Metropolitan 1357 01:08:50,833 --> 01:08:53,400 long before the Beatles discovered it. 1358 01:08:54,033 --> 01:08:58,433 They were in a position where wealth, luxury and fame 1359 01:08:58,500 --> 01:09:01,000 start to get bored. They were looking for something else. 1360 01:09:01,067 --> 01:09:03,633 They were looking for something beyond that, something spiritual, 1361 01:09:03,700 --> 01:09:06,700 and the Maharishi was a shortcut 1362 01:09:07,033 --> 01:09:09,100 for inner joy and enlightenment. 1363 01:09:09,333 --> 01:09:11,667 All they had to do was half an hour a day, or something like that, 1364 01:09:11,733 --> 01:09:14,567 perfect for the attention span of a rock star. 1365 01:09:15,467 --> 01:09:18,367 One evening, I received a phone call from Michael McCartney 1366 01:09:19,067 --> 01:09:21,400 who told me: "There's going to be an event." 1367 01:09:22,433 --> 01:09:24,467 And there were always events in the 60s. 1368 01:09:24,533 --> 01:09:27,367 It could just be a hamburger and a Coke. 1369 01:09:27,433 --> 01:09:28,867 That was an event. 1370 01:09:29,467 --> 01:09:31,900 And he said: "They're going to Bangor tomorrow." 1371 01:09:31,967 --> 01:09:33,100 I said, "Where? Bangor?" 1372 01:09:33,900 --> 01:09:35,700 "To see the Maharishi." "Who is he?" 1373 01:09:36,367 --> 01:09:37,867 "They met him last night." 1374 01:09:38,567 --> 01:09:41,900 And they'd been to one of his events at the Hilton, 1375 01:09:41,967 --> 01:09:43,767 in some hotel, and they heard him, 1376 01:09:44,333 --> 01:09:45,033 and they were so... 1377 01:09:45,533 --> 01:09:48,467 George was already interested in Indian mysticism, 1378 01:09:48,533 --> 01:09:51,900 spiritual awareness and Indian music. 1379 01:09:51,967 --> 01:09:53,800 EUSTON STATION, LONDON, AUGUST 1967 1380 01:09:53,867 --> 01:09:56,000 I got on the train with the four Beatles 1381 01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:57,833 and sat down in a compartment. 1382 01:09:57,900 --> 01:09:59,533 It was 1967. 1383 01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,067 It was a compartment, 1384 01:10:01,500 --> 01:10:03,733 in those days, we had a corridor 1385 01:10:03,933 --> 01:10:07,067 and a first-class compartment. We could draw the curtains. 1386 01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:09,100 And I was sitting there with the four Beatles, 1387 01:10:09,333 --> 01:10:12,033 me, Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithfull, 1388 01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:13,933 and we traveled to Bangor. 1389 01:10:14,667 --> 01:10:17,333 While we were traveling, we stopped a few times 1390 01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:18,767 in places like Chester. 1391 01:10:19,467 --> 01:10:22,367 There were kids on the platform screaming, shouting and getting up 1392 01:10:22,433 --> 01:10:25,067 autograph books... We could open the windows in those days. 1393 01:10:25,300 --> 01:10:28,700 And every now and then, a kid would get the autographs of three Beatles, but not 1394 01:10:28,767 --> 01:10:31,533 from John. He said, "I'm not signing that. I'm sick of signing it." 1395 01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,567 And I was in tears, so I signed it "John Lennon". Anyway... 1396 01:10:34,900 --> 01:10:38,067 The Maharishi was on the same train. That's why it was vital to catch that 1397 01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:39,900 train. We all went to his carriage 1398 01:10:39,967 --> 01:10:42,667 and he gave us a mantra that I can't reveal. 1399 01:10:54,033 --> 01:10:56,467 The Beatles seem to be among their supporters. 1400 01:10:56,533 --> 01:10:57,767 What do you think about it? 1401 01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,433 I feel a great promise for the younger generation, 1402 01:11:01,767 --> 01:11:05,400 because if the Beatles adopt Transcendental Meditation, 1403 01:11:05,700 --> 01:11:08,567 they are the ideal of energy and intelligence 1404 01:11:08,633 --> 01:11:09,900 the younger generation 1405 01:11:10,067 --> 01:11:12,800 and that will put the youth 1406 01:11:12,867 --> 01:11:16,067 at a very good level of understanding and intelligence. 1407 01:11:16,633 --> 01:11:20,067 I'm very happy about that, that we met last night, 1408 01:11:20,500 --> 01:11:23,500 for talking to me for about an hour. 1409 01:11:23,733 --> 01:11:26,433 They seem to be very intelligent and honest. 1410 01:11:27,333 --> 01:11:29,800 So he thinks that if the Beatles adopt his teachings, 1411 01:11:29,867 --> 01:11:32,333 can spread them among the young people of England? 1412 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,367 Much more easily, not only in England, but all over the world, 1413 01:11:35,433 --> 01:11:38,533 because the word "Beatle" is known on every continent 1414 01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,900 and young people are fascinated by this name. 1415 01:11:42,333 --> 01:11:43,833 What do you think of the Beatles? 1416 01:11:43,900 --> 01:11:47,667 They're very good, intelligent young people, there's a lot of potential. 1417 01:11:47,733 --> 01:11:48,667 What about their music? 1418 01:11:49,367 --> 01:11:50,433 I didn't hear the music, 1419 01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:53,367 but how they are appreciated all over the world, 1420 01:11:53,433 --> 01:11:55,900 must have something in their music. 1421 01:12:05,467 --> 01:12:09,667 Cynthia was the Candide of Beatles history. of the Beatles, she was always left behind. 1422 01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:13,700 When they went to visit the Maharishi to Wales, 1423 01:12:13,767 --> 01:12:16,467 she stayed at the station. She missed the train. 1424 01:12:16,900 --> 01:12:20,100 They all got on the train. She was crying at the station. 1425 01:12:20,333 --> 01:12:23,500 I think the Maharishi was intelligent and knew how to get publicity. 1426 01:12:23,567 --> 01:12:25,433 AUTHOR "THE BEATLES '66" 1427 01:12:25,500 --> 01:12:28,000 People from previous generations 1428 01:12:28,067 --> 01:12:31,300 had done the same and had glued themselves to the rich and famous 1429 01:12:31,367 --> 01:12:33,567 because they knew that 1430 01:12:33,633 --> 01:12:36,933 if your ideas caught on with the more intelligent, 1431 01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,367 would pass on to normal people, 1432 01:12:39,433 --> 01:12:42,700 so this was nothing new, but the Maharishi did it 1433 01:12:42,933 --> 01:12:44,700 and the Hare Krishna people did it, 1434 01:12:44,767 --> 01:12:46,567 because they sensed things at Apple 1435 01:12:46,633 --> 01:12:49,333 and ended up with a recording agreement. 1436 01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,000 And if anyone knows the Hare Krishna movement, 1437 01:12:52,067 --> 01:12:53,700 I would turn it on 1438 01:12:53,767 --> 01:12:57,933 the popularity they achieved through the Beatles. 1439 01:13:28,833 --> 01:13:30,833 But I think given what you've experienced, 1440 01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:32,633 and knowing what I experienced, 1441 01:13:33,333 --> 01:13:34,667 at a lower level than them, 1442 01:13:34,733 --> 01:13:38,100 but I've experienced some of the things you do in a band, 1443 01:13:38,333 --> 01:13:41,767 we want to find more, you know? 1444 01:13:42,567 --> 01:13:44,533 There's the part about playing live on stage, 1445 01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,800 playing music, fantastic experiences 1446 01:13:47,867 --> 01:13:50,800 and fantastic introductions into our lives 1447 01:13:51,467 --> 01:13:54,433 and the way we deal with it, how we look at it. 1448 01:13:54,967 --> 01:13:57,067 They must have thought: 1449 01:13:57,733 --> 01:14:00,033 "Let's take this spiritual scene to another level." 1450 01:14:00,633 --> 01:14:04,600 The Maharishi was intelligent. He had a lady from American high society 1451 01:14:04,667 --> 01:14:06,733 that promoted it in America 1452 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,800 and it was her son who became Bungalow Bill 1453 01:14:08,867 --> 01:14:11,733 in the song on The White Album. 1454 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:18,467 He knew the advertising value to have, probably, 1455 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,900 the four most famous types in the world, 1456 01:14:20,967 --> 01:14:23,533 certainly the most famous music group. 1457 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,733 Although I probably didn't know their music, 1458 01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:27,967 would know the incredible value 1459 01:14:28,033 --> 01:14:29,567 to spread their message. 1460 01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:33,733 Yes, the Maharishi was a smart businessman 1461 01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,467 and he had a degree, I think, in physics. 1462 01:14:36,533 --> 01:14:39,700 He studied physics at university, so he had a scientific side, 1463 01:14:39,767 --> 01:14:41,833 an advertising side 1464 01:14:41,900 --> 01:14:44,733 and there was also the spiritual side. 1465 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,967 When we arrived in Bangor, that night, 1466 01:15:04,700 --> 01:15:06,733 the roadies had not yet arrived. 1467 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:08,033 I went to the city, 1468 01:15:08,100 --> 01:15:10,333 me and the four Beatles, to have a meal. 1469 01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:11,967 We went to a Chinese restaurant. 1470 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,533 The bill was ten pounds 1471 01:15:14,967 --> 01:15:17,333 and I only had five pounds on me. 1472 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,767 And he said: "I'm sorry, these are the Beatles." I'm upset. 1473 01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:25,033 They were Chinese employees, from Hong Kong, who had just arrived, 1474 01:15:25,100 --> 01:15:26,367 probably the day before, 1475 01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,933 and all they could hear was the Liverpool accent. 1476 01:15:29,667 --> 01:15:31,733 It was very common, on a Saturday night, 1477 01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,400 people from Liverpool showed up, 1478 01:15:34,833 --> 01:15:37,000 accumulate a huge bill and run away. 1479 01:15:37,633 --> 01:15:40,000 So they thought. They were closing the doors, 1480 01:15:40,067 --> 01:15:41,833 sharpening knives 1481 01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:44,533 and I said: "Listen, I'm a journalist at the Sunday Times, 1482 01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,867 I've written a lot of books. Here's my card. I'll get some money." 1483 01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:50,300 It was getting complicated, 1484 01:15:50,367 --> 01:15:53,700 until George put his foot on the table, 1485 01:15:53,767 --> 01:15:56,900 was wearing Indian sandals handmade sandals, 1486 01:15:57,467 --> 01:16:00,600 asked for a knife and cut off the top. 1487 01:16:01,433 --> 01:16:05,333 The problem was that the Beatles had been famous four years ago, 1488 01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,800 like the Royal Family, had stopped carrying money. 1489 01:16:09,433 --> 01:16:12,067 The roadies carried the money. They didn't pay anything. 1490 01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,367 Then George tore off his sandal 1491 01:16:15,433 --> 01:16:17,033 and took out a £20 note. 1492 01:16:17,733 --> 01:16:19,333 Three or four years later, 1493 01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,600 had become the people in the world 1494 01:16:21,667 --> 01:16:23,300 and multimillionaires on paper, 1495 01:16:23,767 --> 01:16:26,533 but they didn't carry any money. He thought: "One of these days, 1496 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:28,700 I'm going to need money, 1497 01:16:28,767 --> 01:16:30,433 otherwise, there could be problems." 1498 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:31,767 And it was that night. 1499 01:16:35,333 --> 01:16:39,800 Brian Epstein organized a party to celebrate Sgt. Pepper. 1500 01:16:39,867 --> 01:16:43,100 The Beatles originally wanted it, 1501 01:16:43,433 --> 01:16:48,100 make a movie or a show special promotional 1502 01:16:48,333 --> 01:16:51,300 linked to the album, which didn't happen. 1503 01:16:51,867 --> 01:16:57,367 But Brian had gotten into the game, 1504 01:16:57,833 --> 01:16:59,933 I had taken too many pills, 1505 01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,567 and everything else, and he was walking away. 1506 01:17:02,633 --> 01:17:05,567 Even Cilla Black and her husband 1507 01:17:05,633 --> 01:17:07,967 went to see Brian to tell him: "Cilla wants a new agent. 1508 01:17:08,033 --> 01:17:09,967 You're not paying attention anymore." 1509 01:17:10,033 --> 01:17:13,633 He cried at that meeting and asked her to stay with him. 1510 01:17:13,700 --> 01:17:14,733 Brian was 1511 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:17,667 homosexual. 1512 01:17:18,567 --> 01:17:21,900 And the people in the middle realized that. 1513 01:17:22,767 --> 01:17:24,933 The strangest thing was that he... 1514 01:17:26,767 --> 01:17:29,767 Everyone, when they hear this, thought he must like Paul, 1515 01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:32,433 because Paul was the cute one in the Beatles. 1516 01:17:32,867 --> 01:17:36,967 But no, he liked John, because he preferred masculine boys. 1517 01:17:37,567 --> 01:17:41,100 When I was going to the hitch in London, 1518 01:17:42,300 --> 01:17:44,733 always tried to pick up guys who weren't homosexual. 1519 01:17:45,533 --> 01:17:47,533 He filled them up with drink, took them... 1520 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:48,900 I only discovered this later. 1521 01:17:49,100 --> 01:17:50,833 He took them to his beautiful home, 1522 01:17:51,767 --> 01:17:52,900 tried to get them into bed 1523 01:17:53,300 --> 01:17:54,700 and then they beat him up 1524 01:17:55,367 --> 01:17:56,533 and that was his pleasure. 1525 01:17:57,567 --> 01:17:59,467 He was a masochist, he liked to be beaten. 1526 01:18:00,533 --> 01:18:05,333 And then they stole... things, 1527 01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,000 often stole acetate records to sell to Radio Luxembourg, 1528 01:18:09,067 --> 01:18:10,767 and it was absolute panic, 1529 01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:13,867 not that they stole jewels or money, 1530 01:18:13,933 --> 01:18:17,533 but to steal Beatles songs that hadn't been released. 1531 01:18:17,900 --> 01:18:19,967 There wasn't much for Brian to do. 1532 01:18:20,033 --> 01:18:23,033 We have to remember that NEMS, 1533 01:18:23,100 --> 01:18:24,067 Brian's company, 1534 01:18:24,567 --> 01:18:28,400 had become the largest entertainment agency in the world. 1535 01:18:28,467 --> 01:18:30,900 They represented everyone. 1536 01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,667 The Beatles, Andy Williams, the Bee Gees, Cream, Donovan, 1537 01:18:35,367 --> 01:18:39,800 Tony Bennett, and everything had grown in the last three, four years. 1538 01:18:40,933 --> 01:18:44,500 If the Beatles had stopped stopped touring, what would they have done? 1539 01:18:46,567 --> 01:18:49,067 and the contract with the publisher 1540 01:18:50,367 --> 01:18:51,767 was sealed and signed, 1541 01:18:51,833 --> 01:18:54,433 and the music promotion contract was signed, 1542 01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,433 there was very little for an agent to do, to negotiate. 1543 01:18:58,767 --> 01:19:01,600 Now they were looking for someone else for advice, 1544 01:19:01,667 --> 01:19:05,000 about how to live and how to spend your free time, 1545 01:19:05,067 --> 01:19:06,600 how to use your mind. 1546 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,400 Brian felt more and more apart, he began to take more drugs, 1547 01:19:10,467 --> 01:19:14,333 finding new boyfriends 1548 01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:15,400 and being promiscuous. 1549 01:19:15,967 --> 01:19:17,733 He was isolating himself from them 1550 01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,300 as much as they were isolating themselves from him. 1551 01:19:24,867 --> 01:19:28,600 They signed up to his Transcendental Meditation movement, 1552 01:19:28,667 --> 01:19:32,333 have all agreed to join a course, in Bangor, North Wales. 1553 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,500 It was a huge circus when they left by train 1554 01:19:35,567 --> 01:19:38,967 for a very unlikely environment, 1555 01:19:39,033 --> 01:19:40,533 a kind of college teacher training college. 1556 01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:45,100 But, of course, that's when the news of Brian Epstein's death reached them. 1557 01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,733 He was found in the on the second floor, 1558 01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:49,467 shortly after 2pm this afternoon, by her maid. 1559 01:19:49,533 --> 01:19:50,600 AUGUST 27, 1967 1560 01:19:50,667 --> 01:19:52,733 She said it was his habit to sleep late at the weekend, 1561 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,033 especially if you've had a week at work. 1562 01:19:56,700 --> 01:19:58,900 She said that yesterday spent the whole day at home, 1563 01:19:58,967 --> 01:20:01,333 just like the night before, which wasn't normal for him. 1564 01:20:01,767 --> 01:20:04,333 Mr. Epstein hasn't been well for months 1565 01:20:04,933 --> 01:20:08,367 and usually takes pills to help you sleep at night. 1566 01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,367 Recently, just over a month ago, 1567 01:20:10,433 --> 01:20:13,300 was even more upset by his father's sudden death. 1568 01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:18,067 His friends have been trying to convince him to take a long vacation. 1569 01:20:18,633 --> 01:20:22,033 But just yesterday, I said to one of them: "I feel on top of the world." 1570 01:20:22,833 --> 01:20:25,033 Just over half an hour ago, a friend... 1571 01:20:25,100 --> 01:20:27,033 Friends have been arriving throughout the afternoon. 1572 01:20:27,100 --> 01:20:30,700 They have visited the house to see your lawyer, Mr. David Jacobs. 1573 01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:34,400 And one of them went out half an hour ago and said to the people around him: 1574 01:20:34,833 --> 01:20:35,900 "It was an accident." 1575 01:20:35,967 --> 01:20:38,833 He was an unhappy person. 1576 01:20:39,633 --> 01:20:42,867 He's never had a real partner. 1577 01:20:42,967 --> 01:20:46,100 He had several partners, several of them worked for Apple, 1578 01:20:46,333 --> 01:20:49,867 but it never became a serious relationship. 1579 01:20:49,933 --> 01:20:54,733 And when these things happened, he had the boys and it went badly, 1580 01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:56,533 he would get depressed. 1581 01:20:57,533 --> 01:21:00,533 He took pills, I'd get suicidal. 1582 01:21:01,367 --> 01:21:03,700 When he died, he didn't commit suicide, but he had... 1583 01:21:04,333 --> 01:21:06,800 There had been a previous suicide attempt. 1584 01:21:07,700 --> 01:21:11,100 And that made him very depressed. 1585 01:21:12,833 --> 01:21:15,500 Do you have a tribute you'd like Mr. Epstein? 1586 01:21:16,033 --> 01:21:19,633 We don't know what to say. We loved him, he was one of us. 1587 01:21:19,967 --> 01:21:23,767 - We can't... - We can't do it in words. 1588 01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:25,700 What are your plans now? 1589 01:21:26,333 --> 01:21:29,900 Return to London and do what we can. 1590 01:21:30,833 --> 01:21:33,100 Did Maharishi give you any words of comfort? 1591 01:21:34,933 --> 01:21:35,900 Yes, well... 1592 01:21:35,967 --> 01:21:40,633 Your meditation gives us the confidence to deal with something like this. 1593 01:21:40,767 --> 01:21:42,633 even with the little we've done. 1594 01:21:44,467 --> 01:21:47,567 What we came to know... 1595 01:21:49,067 --> 01:21:52,467 There is no such thing as death. 1596 01:21:52,567 --> 01:21:54,633 There is death on a physical level, but... 1597 01:21:55,333 --> 01:21:58,767 Life goes on everywhere, we do, in fact. 1598 01:21:59,700 --> 01:22:00,567 But... 1599 01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,867 The point is it's not as discouraging as... 1600 01:22:04,567 --> 01:22:05,967 It is and it isn't, you know? 1601 01:22:06,833 --> 01:22:11,667 And the comfort is knowing that he's okay. 1602 01:22:13,033 --> 01:22:17,833 I understand that this afternoon the Maharishi conferred with you. 1603 01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:20,633 May I ask what advice did I have for you? 1604 01:22:21,767 --> 01:22:22,633 He told us... 1605 01:22:24,367 --> 01:22:26,833 not to let ourselves overwhelmed by sorrow and... 1606 01:22:26,900 --> 01:22:29,633 Whatever our thoughts about Brian, to keep them happy, 1607 01:22:30,067 --> 01:22:34,467 because our thoughts about him will travel to him wherever he is. 1608 01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,400 Did he know Mr. Epstein? 1609 01:22:36,467 --> 01:22:38,567 No, but I was looking forward to meet him. 1610 01:22:39,467 --> 01:22:40,633 - Tomorrow? - Yes. 1611 01:22:41,300 --> 01:22:42,533 Thank you very much. 1612 01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,733 If we see that recording, John was completely stunned. 1613 01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,033 They were blown away by Maharishi. 1614 01:22:48,100 --> 01:22:51,600 It wasn't just another diversion. 1615 01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,000 They really believed in him. 1616 01:22:53,900 --> 01:22:57,833 They had been plunged in a chaotic world. 1617 01:22:57,900 --> 01:22:59,300 Brian was dead. 1618 01:23:00,067 --> 01:23:01,100 And that was... 1619 01:23:01,333 --> 01:23:02,600 EPSTEIN (THE PRINCE OF POP WHO CREATED THE BEATLES) DIES AT 32 1620 01:23:02,667 --> 01:23:08,967 I think we all have a time in our lives when we turn to religion, 1621 01:23:09,100 --> 01:23:14,767 as a way of life, as a philosophy, in search of answers. 1622 01:23:15,033 --> 01:23:17,467 And that's what they were doing. 1623 01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:21,600 I got the call from a friend, right at the beginning. 1624 01:23:22,033 --> 01:23:25,367 And I couldn't believe it. 1625 01:23:25,433 --> 01:23:29,833 I remember thinking: "What do we do from here?" 1626 01:23:30,967 --> 01:23:34,333 It was a complete shock for everyone. 1627 01:23:35,767 --> 01:23:37,600 What do we do? 1628 01:23:37,667 --> 01:23:40,900 But I remember Maharishi telling them: 1629 01:23:42,633 --> 01:23:44,567 "Don't worry, he... 1630 01:23:45,433 --> 01:23:47,400 He moved on to the next stage in his life. 1631 01:23:47,933 --> 01:23:50,300 You don't have to be sad. 1632 01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,400 He's gone and he's going to turn into this, he's going to do..." 1633 01:23:53,467 --> 01:23:55,633 He was saying all this crap. 1634 01:23:56,333 --> 01:23:58,567 And, unfortunately, the Beatles were interviewed 1635 01:23:59,367 --> 01:24:01,333 almost immediately afterwards. 1636 01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:05,900 The Maharishi had been throwing all these things, which was... 1637 01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:08,433 They seemed insensitive. 1638 01:24:09,500 --> 01:24:13,900 And Brian's mother, as well as Brian's brother Clive, 1639 01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:16,067 were bothered by this. 1640 01:24:16,300 --> 01:24:18,033 The way it was reported. It was unintentional. 1641 01:24:18,100 --> 01:24:20,733 The week Brian thought about going to Bangor, 1642 01:24:20,967 --> 01:24:22,800 didn't go, he stayed at home. 1643 01:24:23,033 --> 01:24:26,667 And that same weekend, Robert Stigwood invited me 1644 01:24:26,733 --> 01:24:28,300 for drinks one afternoon. 1645 01:24:28,367 --> 01:24:30,367 When I got there, Brian was at his house, 1646 01:24:30,433 --> 01:24:32,600 the three of us sat down and watched... 1647 01:24:32,667 --> 01:24:35,633 I don't know, we were watching athletics on TV and drinking. 1648 01:24:35,700 --> 01:24:37,533 Then we went to the Battersea Fun Fair 1649 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,900 and we spent a few hours walking around and having fun. 1650 01:24:39,967 --> 01:24:42,300 We probably smoked weed, because we were smiling a lot. 1651 01:24:42,367 --> 01:24:44,033 I don't remember the grass, but I remember the smiles, 1652 01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:46,000 and one wouldn't exist without the other. 1653 01:24:46,567 --> 01:24:48,333 Then we went to dinner together. 1654 01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,667 At the end of dinner, Brian said: "I'd love to have dinner with you, 1655 01:24:51,833 --> 01:24:54,867 when are you free?" And we agreed dinner the next day. 1656 01:24:54,933 --> 01:24:57,467 The next day I met up with Brian, I went to his house, 1657 01:24:57,533 --> 01:25:00,867 we drove to Fredericks, in Islington, and had dinner there. 1658 01:25:01,367 --> 01:25:04,600 Then we went back to his house for a drink. 1659 01:25:04,933 --> 01:25:07,933 And it became clear to me, after a few brandys, 1660 01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,833 that Brian was thinking I was going to stay. 1661 01:25:09,967 --> 01:25:12,433 And I definitely was not going to stay. 1662 01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:16,567 So I said, "I'm going", and Brian got a bit temperamental. 1663 01:25:16,633 --> 01:25:19,367 And I said: "No, I'm sorry. I'm leaving." And I did. 1664 01:25:19,733 --> 01:25:21,733 And he told me... As I was leaving, he said: 1665 01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:23,600 "Please, come spend the weekend with me?" 1666 01:25:23,667 --> 01:25:25,300 And once again, what was the point? 1667 01:25:25,367 --> 01:25:28,400 I knew what he wanted and it wasn't something I wanted. 1668 01:25:28,467 --> 01:25:31,733 So I said: "I'll talk to you later." The next day, he called me and said: 1669 01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,800 "Are you coming to the country for the weekend?" 1670 01:25:33,867 --> 01:25:35,300 I said: "No, I'm going to Ireland." 1671 01:25:35,733 --> 01:25:37,900 What do we know about the end of Brian's life? 1672 01:25:38,567 --> 01:25:39,433 We don't know. 1673 01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,433 And we'll probably never know. 1674 01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:47,333 Obviously, I spoke to Jo, the next day, and she... 1675 01:25:49,100 --> 01:25:51,100 They couldn't... 1676 01:25:51,567 --> 01:25:53,067 They didn't even know I was home. 1677 01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,067 He should be in his country house. 1678 01:25:56,367 --> 01:25:59,900 E... then she said that she'd received a phone call 1679 01:25:59,967 --> 01:26:03,067 of his driver, saying he couldn't open the door. 1680 01:26:03,633 --> 01:26:07,967 She went there and found him, basically. 1681 01:26:08,833 --> 01:26:11,367 And I said at the time: 1682 01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:15,800 "I don't understand, because he was so happy to be there. 1683 01:26:16,700 --> 01:26:18,033 Why would I go home? 1684 01:26:19,500 --> 01:26:21,433 In the middle of the weekend?" 1685 01:26:22,933 --> 01:26:25,667 But I don't think anyone will know the story, really. 1686 01:26:26,300 --> 01:26:27,000 So... 1687 01:26:28,433 --> 01:26:30,800 You know my story with Brian. Do you want me to tell it? 1688 01:26:30,867 --> 01:26:31,967 - Yes, please. - Okay. 1689 01:26:32,433 --> 01:26:35,800 While I was in Ireland, I received a phone call from a friend 1690 01:26:35,867 --> 01:26:37,500 saying that Brian Epstein had died. 1691 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,533 I immediately looked at the newspapers, 1692 01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,867 the newspapers said that he had been found that morning and he had died of an overdose. 1693 01:26:43,933 --> 01:26:47,600 I had in my house the first answering machine 1694 01:26:47,667 --> 01:26:50,467 that a company had made especially for me, 1695 01:26:50,533 --> 01:26:53,633 because they were experimenting what could be done with telephones. 1696 01:26:53,700 --> 01:26:56,000 And I had a sixth sense in my mind that told me 1697 01:26:56,067 --> 01:26:59,967 that when he returned to London and press the button, 1698 01:27:00,333 --> 01:27:01,833 I'd have a message from Brian. 1699 01:27:01,900 --> 01:27:04,467 And, of course, when I returned and pressed the button, 1700 01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,567 I had several messages from Brian. 1701 01:27:06,700 --> 01:27:08,767 He had gone to the countryside, just as planned. 1702 01:27:10,333 --> 01:27:12,967 He called me at home when I wasn't there, I was in Ireland. 1703 01:27:13,333 --> 01:27:16,400 And he said, "If you're there, please come to my country house." 1704 01:27:16,467 --> 01:27:18,633 And then he said: "I'm coming back from the field, 1705 01:27:18,700 --> 01:27:19,733 can you come over?" 1706 01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,633 I didn't go, because I didn't hear the messages, I was in Ireland. 1707 01:27:22,700 --> 01:27:25,800 The messages continued and became more and more distorted. 1708 01:27:26,300 --> 01:27:28,333 It was quite obvious, when I heard them, 1709 01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,800 that he was taking or something else. 1710 01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:35,367 He'd probably go to sleep, wake up, forgot and took another one. 1711 01:27:35,567 --> 01:27:37,700 Finally, the last message was very distorted, 1712 01:27:37,767 --> 01:27:40,500 he said: "I wish you were here", and other things... 1713 01:27:40,967 --> 01:27:43,633 Other personal things, not worth repeating. 1714 01:27:44,100 --> 01:27:45,333 And then he died. 1715 01:27:45,933 --> 01:27:47,867 So I was a bit involved in that. 1716 01:27:47,933 --> 01:27:51,000 And, of course, I took the right and stupid British attitude. 1717 01:27:51,067 --> 01:27:52,700 I immediately erased the tape. 1718 01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,067 I didn't even hear it a second time. 1719 01:27:58,433 --> 01:27:59,300 And here we are. 1720 01:27:59,700 --> 01:28:01,600 I didn't know the value of these things. 1721 01:28:10,767 --> 01:28:15,767 SEP 19, 1934 - AUG 27, 1967 1722 01:28:21,533 --> 01:28:23,967 Brian Epstein was always part of everything. 1723 01:28:24,033 --> 01:28:25,667 And it was a big shock, 1724 01:28:25,733 --> 01:28:27,933 because we think: "Will they continue? 1725 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:29,300 What's going to happen now?" 1726 01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:34,567 In retrospect, it's almost as if as if he had played his part. 1727 01:28:35,067 --> 01:28:38,400 I had gone on to another spiritual world, and... 1728 01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:40,967 They were still elsewhere. 1729 01:28:42,033 --> 01:28:46,967 They realized that a protective shield. 1730 01:28:47,033 --> 01:28:49,400 Like a father... A protective father. 1731 01:28:49,833 --> 01:28:54,067 Brian's business wasn't always the best deals for the Beatles. 1732 01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,967 Because he was following precedent, the deals that had been done before. 1733 01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,800 He didn't realize that this was new territory. 1734 01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:07,500 But on the other hand, he was completely dedicated to protecting them. 1735 01:29:08,500 --> 01:29:09,667 How... 1736 01:29:10,433 --> 01:29:13,600 In the famous case of the "more popular than Jesus", 1737 01:29:13,667 --> 01:29:14,767 John's. 1738 01:29:15,300 --> 01:29:17,700 Brian would have canceled that American tour, 1739 01:29:17,767 --> 01:29:19,600 I was very concerned about their safety. 1740 01:29:19,900 --> 01:29:23,467 And in the end, contractually, he couldn't, but he wanted to. 1741 01:29:24,100 --> 01:29:27,367 That's what had disappeared, a shield. A waterproof shield 1742 01:29:27,700 --> 01:29:30,367 that he has always given them since he met them. 1743 01:29:30,767 --> 01:29:34,400 He helped protect them in that sense, and Brian... 1744 01:29:35,433 --> 01:29:38,300 Brian's group. 1745 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,867 Peter Brown and the other people in the NEMS office, 1746 01:29:44,433 --> 01:29:46,433 they served the Beatles. 1747 01:29:46,500 --> 01:29:47,800 They paid all their bills, 1748 01:29:48,467 --> 01:29:50,433 bought presents for their girlfriends, 1749 01:29:50,500 --> 01:29:52,300 bought presents for their wives. 1750 01:29:52,367 --> 01:29:54,100 Many people say that Brian wasn't a great agent. 1751 01:29:54,333 --> 01:29:56,933 I might not be great at managing them as a mega group, 1752 01:29:57,033 --> 01:29:59,000 handling money at the highest level. 1753 01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:00,933 But without him, they wouldn't have happened. 1754 01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,467 It was his persistence, your affection for them, 1755 01:30:03,533 --> 01:30:05,867 his absolute certainty that they would happen 1756 01:30:05,933 --> 01:30:07,300 and that his music was great. 1757 01:30:07,367 --> 01:30:09,567 And he did other things that agents have to do 1758 01:30:09,633 --> 01:30:10,700 and he did it very well. 1759 01:30:10,767 --> 01:30:12,900 How to keep away from them. 1760 01:30:12,967 --> 01:30:15,567 He erected a barrier between them and the hangers-on. 1761 01:30:15,933 --> 01:30:18,700 Which is strange, because it has never managed to erect a barrier 1762 01:30:18,767 --> 01:30:20,867 between him and his own hangers-on, 1763 01:30:20,933 --> 01:30:23,500 who clung to him and sucked a lot of money out of him. 1764 01:30:23,567 --> 01:30:25,400 But he was very good at it with the Beatles. 1765 01:30:25,467 --> 01:30:26,867 And I kept those people away. 1766 01:30:26,933 --> 01:30:31,667 So without him, now that his careful attitude 1767 01:30:31,733 --> 01:30:36,100 with the money and finances had disappeared, the hangers-on flocked. 1768 01:30:37,033 --> 01:30:39,500 When you're part of a band, sometimes you need a referee. 1769 01:30:39,567 --> 01:30:42,000 Not many groups agree on everything. 1770 01:30:42,367 --> 01:30:45,000 I know we saw you on Help! 1771 01:30:45,067 --> 01:30:48,300 when they all entered the same door and lived in the same house, 1772 01:30:48,367 --> 01:30:50,300 but that was just a moment in the movie. 1773 01:30:50,367 --> 01:30:52,733 Everyone who's ever been in a band knows 1774 01:30:53,033 --> 01:30:55,867 that the characters develop in a group. 1775 01:30:56,533 --> 01:30:58,300 And we don't always agree, 1776 01:30:58,367 --> 01:31:02,767 but somewhere, we have something that makes it all work. 1777 01:31:02,967 --> 01:31:05,367 Some consensus, where everyone in the band 1778 01:31:05,433 --> 01:31:08,467 agrees with everything and moves on. 1779 01:31:08,733 --> 01:31:13,567 When Brian died, there was no referee to supervise them. 1780 01:31:13,633 --> 01:31:15,600 They couldn't do anything on their own. 1781 01:31:16,067 --> 01:31:17,700 They never had to do anything on their own. 1782 01:31:17,767 --> 01:31:20,367 They always had him. 1783 01:31:22,633 --> 01:31:26,767 As a band, he was the thing that had held them together so far. 1784 01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,633 They got up very quickly, 1785 01:31:29,700 --> 01:31:31,500 if we think logically. 1786 01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:32,967 And they opened Apple. 1787 01:31:33,033 --> 01:31:36,600 Apple was a financial measure, to try to consolidate their fortunes... 1788 01:31:36,667 --> 01:31:38,333 OPENING OF THE APPLE STORE, DECEMBER 1967 1789 01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,833 ... and try to save them from an horrendous amount of taxes, 1790 01:31:42,333 --> 01:31:44,767 they could save if they invested in a business. 1791 01:31:45,433 --> 01:31:48,500 The point is that at the base, and that was a mistake, 1792 01:31:48,967 --> 01:31:53,400 was not to protect and consolidate their copyright. 1793 01:31:53,867 --> 01:31:56,700 It was a short-term in the short term, actually. 1794 01:31:57,300 --> 01:32:01,933 It was going to be a publishing house but with other ancillary businesses. 1795 01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:06,567 Because the Beatles' influence to other areas, such as fashion. 1796 01:32:06,900 --> 01:32:08,567 They were going to open a boutique... 1797 01:32:09,567 --> 01:32:11,333 They were going to do everything, really. 1798 01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:13,800 But it would be like a hippie Council of the Arts, 1799 01:32:14,033 --> 01:32:20,633 where young and creative people could find support and sympathy. 1800 01:32:20,733 --> 01:32:23,633 Because the Beatles remember when they were... 1801 01:32:23,700 --> 01:32:24,933 When they didn't have... 1802 01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,967 The Beatles have always had fantastic support. 1803 01:32:27,333 --> 01:32:28,533 It was a myth. 1804 01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,567 They had Brian Epstein, George Martin. 1805 01:32:32,500 --> 01:32:34,333 They had Dick James. 1806 01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:36,667 There were three men basically honest 1807 01:32:36,967 --> 01:32:39,567 who were encouraging them as much as they could. 1808 01:32:39,633 --> 01:32:43,033 But no, they suffered. So now they were going to help 1809 01:32:43,100 --> 01:32:45,867 the suffering masses of the creative community. 1810 01:32:45,933 --> 01:32:48,567 I interviewed Paul and he was full of ideas 1811 01:32:48,633 --> 01:32:51,400 about this of Communist Mark & Spencer. 1812 01:32:51,733 --> 01:32:54,733 All these things, and I thought: "God, this isn't going to work." 1813 01:32:54,867 --> 01:32:58,033 And I was thinking: "I'm not sure about this." 1814 01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,833 Because he had said: "Really, very interesting, but... 1815 01:33:02,433 --> 01:33:04,033 It's Paul, 1816 01:33:04,100 --> 01:33:07,833 and they could have been right. Apparently, they weren't right. 1817 01:33:07,900 --> 01:33:11,733 This is how Alice Pollock and Ossie Clark think young women will be walking this summer. 1818 01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:13,833 And, come to think of it, a couple of Beatles. 1819 01:33:13,900 --> 01:33:16,667 George Harrison, whose wife Patti Boyd, was a model in the show, 1820 01:33:16,733 --> 01:33:17,767 and John Lennon. 1821 01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,100 From curls to dresses, or, to be more precise, 1822 01:33:26,333 --> 01:33:28,867 a leather suit called Baz, worth 25 guineas. 1823 01:33:30,833 --> 01:33:32,600 Patti Boyd dressing up as the African Queen. 1824 01:33:32,867 --> 01:33:35,067 It's made of crepe and costs nine and a half guineas. 1825 01:33:35,433 --> 01:33:38,333 Less formal, a white satin jacket and black pants. 1826 01:33:38,467 --> 01:33:39,433 Ten guineas for the whole. 1827 01:33:39,500 --> 01:33:42,100 I worked in the Apple boutique from the beginning. 1828 01:33:42,733 --> 01:33:47,667 I was there for the three months before we left for India. 1829 01:33:48,067 --> 01:33:52,067 And it was so different from anything that existed. 1830 01:33:52,367 --> 01:33:55,367 To begin with, the beautiful trinkets from India, 1831 01:33:55,433 --> 01:33:59,067 the Ganesha posters, of the gods and goddesses. 1832 01:34:00,433 --> 01:34:04,567 It was very exciting to work there, and it was so different. 1833 01:34:04,633 --> 01:34:08,833 But it was also appropriate to the way we felt at the time. 1834 01:34:09,700 --> 01:34:11,833 That... 1835 01:34:13,067 --> 01:34:16,533 The world can be full of color, it doesn't have to be black and white. 1836 01:34:16,933 --> 01:34:18,000 Have they seen him? 1837 01:34:18,933 --> 01:34:20,300 - Last night? - Yesterday. 1838 01:34:20,367 --> 01:34:23,700 Yesterday, the moment they arrived, they were with me for ten minutes. 1839 01:34:25,433 --> 01:34:28,567 And now they've been with me since 10:00. 1840 01:34:29,533 --> 01:34:30,933 After breakfast. 1841 01:34:31,967 --> 01:34:33,367 How long were they with you? 1842 01:34:34,067 --> 01:34:36,667 From 10 a.m. until now. I think three hours. 1843 01:34:37,367 --> 01:34:38,300 And what did they do? 1844 01:34:38,367 --> 01:34:39,833 Did they meditate or talk? 1845 01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:44,600 Meditation, some conversation and meditation. They are very intelligent. 1846 01:34:45,433 --> 01:34:49,900 And they will be... graduated meditation guides? 1847 01:34:50,467 --> 01:34:52,300 - What will their status be? - I hope so. 1848 01:34:53,100 --> 01:34:56,000 What do you have to do to achieve it? 1849 01:34:56,433 --> 01:35:02,333 To achieve this, they need a clear experience of being. 1850 01:35:02,733 --> 01:35:07,633 I was told, although it wasn't true, by a doctor that I had tonsillitis. 1851 01:35:07,700 --> 01:35:09,400 In fact, it was something else. 1852 01:35:09,467 --> 01:35:11,433 And different people came to visit me. 1853 01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:14,067 John and Cynthia came one day, 1854 01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:17,367 and John said: "I have a drawing for you." 1855 01:35:17,767 --> 01:35:22,067 It was a drawing of an Indian man with a turban on his head. 1856 01:35:22,567 --> 01:35:26,433 He was playing the flute, sitting cross-legged, 1857 01:35:26,500 --> 01:35:29,833 and had a basket on his feet, with a basket coming out. 1858 01:35:30,033 --> 01:35:31,500 And the inscription was: 1859 01:35:31,967 --> 01:35:34,600 "By inner power and by external power, 1860 01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,900 I kick your headlight out of my tonsils. Sincerely, John and Cyn." 1861 01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,700 George used to say a lot: "Taking LSD 1862 01:35:42,767 --> 01:35:46,067 it gave me a glimpse of this and that, but it was like climbing a mountain 1863 01:35:46,300 --> 01:35:49,600 and when I looked up, I realized that there was another mountain range to follow." 1864 01:35:49,667 --> 01:35:51,900 So I think I wanted to chase him 1865 01:35:52,967 --> 01:35:54,833 in a drug-free way, if you like. 1866 01:35:54,900 --> 01:35:58,500 What's more, it was a natural break for them. 1867 01:35:58,567 --> 01:36:02,967 He gave them an excuse to be another, relatively quiet place together. 1868 01:36:03,033 --> 01:36:05,933 I'm not sure how Maharishi came into their lives, 1869 01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:07,467 but it wasn't the first. 1870 01:36:07,933 --> 01:36:10,933 Because I was always with the group. 1871 01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,767 I saw them every night at the Scotch of St. James. 1872 01:36:13,833 --> 01:36:17,400 And we all knew they were seeing someone else like that. 1873 01:36:17,733 --> 01:36:19,733 I think Maharishi was the second. 1874 01:36:19,900 --> 01:36:22,900 As they climbed the ladder of Indian mysticism, 1875 01:36:22,967 --> 01:36:26,933 realized that their Maharishi, or whoever he was, wasn't top-notch. 1876 01:36:27,467 --> 01:36:30,100 So they went to India with this other Maharishi. 1877 01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:32,967 Which, subsequently, we all learned was a fraud, 1878 01:36:33,033 --> 01:36:34,800 and it wasn't exactly the best. 1879 01:36:34,933 --> 01:36:38,000 But he gave them good rooms and five-star hotels. 1880 01:36:38,533 --> 01:36:40,900 It's good, to get into Indian mysticism, 1881 01:36:40,967 --> 01:36:45,567 in all its ascetic need, but in a five-star hotel. 1882 01:36:46,100 --> 01:36:47,467 There's a funny story. 1883 01:36:47,533 --> 01:36:50,433 When they decided to go to the Maharishi in India. 1884 01:36:51,533 --> 01:36:55,933 Maureen, Ringo's wife, had a horror of insects. 1885 01:36:56,567 --> 01:37:00,333 So she went to Harrods and bought some baby overalls, 1886 01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:01,767 but in adult size. 1887 01:37:02,067 --> 01:37:04,400 So that they couldn't approach her. 1888 01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:09,400 And Richie, who has always had a very sensitive stomach, 1889 01:37:09,467 --> 01:37:10,900 because I had been ill when I was a child, 1890 01:37:11,867 --> 01:37:16,900 said to me: "You can get me the medicine Dr. Collis Browne, several liters, 1891 01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,367 and baked beans, and fill a suitcase? 1892 01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,667 Baked beans, Collis Browne." 1893 01:37:24,500 --> 01:37:27,433 And that's what I did, I was full. 1894 01:37:27,900 --> 01:37:30,300 A whole suitcase by Collis Browne and... 1895 01:37:31,533 --> 01:37:33,433 And two weeks later they were home. 1896 01:37:34,567 --> 01:37:36,933 I said to Maureen: "That was a long stay. 1897 01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,567 Did you get rid of all the baked beans?" 1898 01:37:40,467 --> 01:37:42,933 There is no doubt that the whole Apple concept 1899 01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:44,667 had been thought of before Brian died. 1900 01:37:44,733 --> 01:37:46,567 It was something else that worried him, 1901 01:37:46,633 --> 01:37:50,467 because it would exclude him even more. He wasn't part of the planning. 1902 01:37:50,533 --> 01:37:52,900 They weren't pushing him, nor were they saying: "You're not involved." 1903 01:37:52,967 --> 01:37:56,533 But it certainly wasn't something his idea. 1904 01:37:56,633 --> 01:38:00,300 And I'd already heard about Apple several weeks before Brian died. 1905 01:38:00,467 --> 01:38:02,933 I think it was something else that made you feel 1906 01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:04,633 who was no longer part of them. 1907 01:38:05,633 --> 01:38:06,833 When they had Apple, 1908 01:38:07,967 --> 01:38:11,667 we used to have lunch in the main office. 1909 01:38:13,633 --> 01:38:16,333 We had a chef and everything... 1910 01:38:17,700 --> 01:38:19,000 Paul came in one day, 1911 01:38:19,467 --> 01:38:22,700 and they were losing money. It looked like they were giving it away. 1912 01:38:23,633 --> 01:38:28,933 He said: "Here comes a guy to tell us what we're doing wrong 1913 01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,567 with our business plans." 1914 01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:34,700 And it was Beeching. 1915 01:38:35,500 --> 01:38:37,100 He showed up, invited to lunch... 1916 01:38:37,333 --> 01:38:39,033 DOCTOR BEECHING - CHAIRMAN OF BRITISH RAILWAYS 1917 01:38:39,100 --> 01:38:43,300 ... basically to use the brain to tell us what we were doing wrong. 1918 01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:45,867 They then organized this lunch, 1919 01:38:46,867 --> 01:38:50,000 and I was jotting down the minutes for the next meeting, 1920 01:38:52,767 --> 01:38:55,033 he looked at Paul and said: 1921 01:38:56,067 --> 01:38:58,833 "I have to say that I don't think I'm not going to be much use here. 1922 01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:03,700 Because I work for organizations much bigger than Apple." 1923 01:39:04,333 --> 01:39:06,867 And Paul said, "Oh, my God." 1924 01:39:09,100 --> 01:39:12,100 I looked at Paul and said: "I think so." 1925 01:39:12,900 --> 01:39:15,600 They had some good ideas, but also some crazy ideas. 1926 01:39:15,667 --> 01:39:18,833 They wanted to open a school, they wanted to publish books. 1927 01:39:18,900 --> 01:39:23,033 They wanted to do everything. Great ambitions. And they appealed to people: 1928 01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:25,800 "Send us your poems, your stories, your novels." 1929 01:39:25,867 --> 01:39:28,600 And, of course, they found rooms full of it 1930 01:39:28,667 --> 01:39:31,567 and they couldn't review them. They weren't ready for that. 1931 01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:35,000 And this was another area in which the Beatles were pioneers. 1932 01:39:35,067 --> 01:39:37,300 They didn't do it completely, but they have started 1933 01:39:37,367 --> 01:39:39,433 to have more control over your product. 1934 01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:43,367 Control over album covers. 1935 01:39:43,433 --> 01:39:45,100 The appearance of things and, 1936 01:39:45,333 --> 01:39:47,100 eventually, control over the material. 1937 01:39:47,333 --> 01:39:50,300 But not at the level of the percentages we have today. 1938 01:39:50,367 --> 01:39:52,333 The problem with Apple and Apple Boutique, 1939 01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,467 and everything that happened in that building on Baker Street, 1940 01:39:54,533 --> 01:39:58,300 was that they had money, they had freedom, 1941 01:39:58,367 --> 01:40:01,467 had ideas from India, of the Maharishi. 1942 01:40:02,900 --> 01:40:04,467 They had a lot of hangers-on. 1943 01:40:04,667 --> 01:40:06,533 And the hangers-on were very good at being... 1944 01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:08,567 Hangers are usually very good at what they do. 1945 01:40:08,633 --> 01:40:10,000 Like Magic Alex. 1946 01:40:10,633 --> 01:40:16,400 Who would have thought that we could get a roll of wallpaper with microphones 1947 01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,033 that would give us the best sound ever? 1948 01:40:19,767 --> 01:40:20,833 Magic Alex. 1949 01:40:21,467 --> 01:40:25,833 And I think, of all people, John was convinced he was a magician. 1950 01:40:27,533 --> 01:40:28,400 They were quite... 1951 01:40:30,100 --> 01:40:31,667 I think we were all naive. 1952 01:40:31,733 --> 01:40:33,867 It was all a new experience. 1953 01:40:35,033 --> 01:40:37,433 But I think it was good 1954 01:40:37,767 --> 01:40:40,700 have not been selfish with their fame. 1955 01:40:41,633 --> 01:40:43,467 Almost everyone who came up with an idea... 1956 01:40:43,533 --> 01:40:45,567 If someone came in and said: "I make great cream", 1957 01:40:45,633 --> 01:40:48,600 John would say: "Let's all eat cream with lunch every day." 1958 01:40:48,667 --> 01:40:51,000 Anyone could get a job there. 1959 01:40:51,300 --> 01:40:54,333 It was crowded with people. Second-rate people... 1960 01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:56,800 They were very charming, most of them, but second-rate. 1961 01:40:57,433 --> 01:40:59,433 And the Apple Boutique worked the same way. 1962 01:40:59,500 --> 01:41:01,467 If someone designed clothes that was interesting 1963 01:41:01,533 --> 01:41:04,433 and obviously not commercial, was for the Apple Boutique. 1964 01:41:04,767 --> 01:41:07,300 Almost everything they played, at the time, 1965 01:41:07,367 --> 01:41:09,533 seemed to be completely uncommercial. 1966 01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:13,800 Neil was incredibly conscientious and such a good man. 1967 01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,667 And Peter worked hard. 1968 01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:23,300 So the office ran smoothly and efficiently. 1969 01:41:24,567 --> 01:41:27,533 I had an office between Neil and Peter. 1970 01:41:28,533 --> 01:41:32,767 Neil and Mal were doing the beginning, basically, 1971 01:41:32,833 --> 01:41:37,400 from "The Long and Winding Road", reminiscent of a cassette. 1972 01:41:38,467 --> 01:41:40,800 And at the time, I was doing 1973 01:41:43,467 --> 01:41:44,933 all the letters to America. 1974 01:41:45,900 --> 01:41:50,667 All the news agencies were asking for old footage of the Beatles. 1975 01:41:51,767 --> 01:41:54,500 And that's how we recovered all things America. 1976 01:41:54,567 --> 01:41:56,400 They were very good, they did everything. 1977 01:41:56,767 --> 01:42:01,900 And one night in particular, I was passing by Neil's side. 1978 01:42:02,833 --> 01:42:06,400 And Neil and Mal, I'll never forget, were by the fire. 1979 01:42:07,333 --> 01:42:09,567 And I had to climb on top... 1980 01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:12,467 God, I shouldn't say that. 1981 01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:16,600 Derek Taylor, who was having sex on the floor, 1982 01:42:16,933 --> 01:42:18,733 and I couldn't get through. 1983 01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:21,300 The cartoon makes fun a bit with the Maharishi, 1984 01:42:21,367 --> 01:42:23,833 this means that you have ended the relationship with him 1985 01:42:24,067 --> 01:42:27,500 and he's a source of amusement? - We're not done, we're past that stage. 1986 01:42:27,700 --> 01:42:29,033 It was a bit of a phase. 1987 01:42:29,500 --> 01:42:31,800 But he's a good guy and we're all fine, 1988 01:42:31,867 --> 01:42:33,867 but we don't go out with him anymore. 1989 01:42:35,633 --> 01:42:39,367 I thought he was a fraud, ever since I heard about him. 1990 01:42:39,433 --> 01:42:40,400 I thought, "My God." 1991 01:42:40,767 --> 01:42:42,900 One of the problems, and John was the worst, 1992 01:42:42,967 --> 01:42:44,867 because he clung to things. 1993 01:42:44,933 --> 01:42:48,567 He really held on to things and was easily taken. 1994 01:42:50,467 --> 01:42:53,367 This could be a problem, as they had been somewhat protected. 1995 01:42:53,433 --> 01:42:55,967 They had been used to being the Beatles for so long. 1996 01:42:56,467 --> 01:42:57,633 They were... 1997 01:42:58,033 --> 01:43:02,567 And I thought: "This guy is a scammer." 1998 01:43:02,633 --> 01:43:05,300 And I'm sure it's related... 1999 01:43:05,367 --> 01:43:08,700 Meditation is probably a healthy for those who like it, of course. 2000 01:43:08,767 --> 01:43:12,433 But I didn't believe and I still don't. 2001 01:43:12,500 --> 01:43:16,767 The Beatles believed in the spiritual side of things. 2002 01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:20,033 And they wanted to spread the word. 2003 01:43:20,667 --> 01:43:23,533 And the Maharishi saw the Beatles as... 2004 01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:27,033 were world famous. 2005 01:43:28,733 --> 01:43:30,733 And they could spread his message. 2006 01:43:31,300 --> 01:43:34,567 Originally, the idea was that they would install 2007 01:43:34,633 --> 01:43:36,833 a TM meditation site in London 2008 01:43:37,033 --> 01:43:39,100 and the Beatles would be part of that. 2009 01:43:40,067 --> 01:43:43,000 Patti had some dreams about the Maharishi 2010 01:43:43,067 --> 01:43:45,733 that gave a different idea of him. 2011 01:43:46,700 --> 01:43:47,633 E... 2012 01:43:48,700 --> 01:43:51,600 And I think it was with Mia Farrow. 2013 01:43:51,667 --> 01:43:53,600 There were a lot of people. 2014 01:43:53,667 --> 01:43:56,400 But I also think that we were away from everything, 2015 01:43:57,567 --> 01:44:00,000 it was a different lifestyle, and here we were, 2016 01:44:00,567 --> 01:44:03,533 meditating, six, seven hours at a time, 2017 01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:05,567 maybe overnight, or for a couple of days. 2018 01:44:05,900 --> 01:44:07,600 And it was so different 2019 01:44:07,667 --> 01:44:11,500 than everyone used to, especially the Beatles. 2020 01:44:11,567 --> 01:44:14,900 In a way, the Maharishi got bad press, 2021 01:44:14,967 --> 01:44:17,000 but it was harmless. 2022 01:44:17,067 --> 01:44:20,800 And it was very... It looked strange. 2023 01:44:20,867 --> 01:44:24,633 But nowadays, we couldn't say that. 2024 01:44:24,700 --> 01:44:27,433 There was a great deal of ridicule of this figure. 2025 01:44:27,500 --> 01:44:31,500 And he just said things we couldn't answer, 2026 01:44:31,567 --> 01:44:34,533 like love one another, and things like that. 2027 01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:38,700 It was largely an extension of the hippie philosophy. 2028 01:44:39,100 --> 01:44:43,300 The poor Maharishi was warned that his prize troupe was leaving, 2029 01:44:43,367 --> 01:44:45,600 and he was sitting there, watching us go by, 2030 01:44:45,667 --> 01:44:48,600 with someone holding an umbrella over your head. 2031 01:44:48,667 --> 01:44:50,533 He kept saying: "Why are you leaving?" 2032 01:44:50,767 --> 01:44:52,300 He had no idea. 2033 01:44:52,733 --> 01:44:55,833 I know there's a famous quote, in which John said... 2034 01:44:55,900 --> 01:44:57,667 I don't remember this, but John did: 2035 01:44:57,733 --> 01:45:00,633 "If it's so cosmic, you should know." 2036 01:45:01,700 --> 01:45:02,567 And so it was. 2037 01:45:06,100 --> 01:45:10,700 CLOSING OF THE APPLE BOUTIQUE, JULY 1968 2038 01:45:11,333 --> 01:45:13,767 The Beatles' brief in the trade is over. 2039 01:45:13,933 --> 01:45:16,833 They say they are very tired of this particular toy. 2040 01:45:28,900 --> 01:45:31,900 No, I'm so shaken up. I don't even know what I'm doing here. 2041 01:45:31,967 --> 01:45:34,633 I've been here since 7:00 a.m. and I was pushed inside. 2042 01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:36,700 Are you shaken up because of the hit-and-run outside? 2043 01:45:36,767 --> 01:45:38,400 I've never seen anything like it. 2044 01:45:38,533 --> 01:45:39,767 I'm from Canada and this... 2045 01:45:40,900 --> 01:45:44,700 - What kind of clothes are you looking for? - I don't know. Suits, anything. 2046 01:45:44,767 --> 01:45:46,633 - Anything I can get my hands on? - Anything cool. 2047 01:45:47,067 --> 01:45:48,367 What are you looking for? 2048 01:45:48,467 --> 01:45:50,067 I don't know. Anything that's free. 2049 01:45:50,300 --> 01:45:52,567 Would you buy something here if it wasn't free? 2050 01:45:52,633 --> 01:45:53,767 It's too expensive for me. 2051 01:45:54,100 --> 01:45:55,100 What do you expect? 2052 01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:57,767 Anything. I'm not weird when it comes to haute couture. 2053 01:45:57,900 --> 01:45:59,700 A dress, I guess, or pants. 2054 01:45:59,833 --> 01:46:02,400 Would you buy something here if it wasn't free? 2055 01:46:02,467 --> 01:46:04,767 I've bought before. I've bought several things here. 2056 01:46:04,833 --> 01:46:07,733 It's not because it's free. It's because I like the store. 2057 01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:09,333 We have to ask ourselves 2058 01:46:09,933 --> 01:46:12,733 how long the relationship between the band 2059 01:46:13,933 --> 01:46:15,567 and the agent would last. 2060 01:46:16,500 --> 01:46:19,767 Then we have to add Yoko Ono 2061 01:46:20,967 --> 01:46:25,100 and his growing influence, certainly on John. 2062 01:46:25,833 --> 01:46:28,867 Then we started to look at the Beatles as a business. 2063 01:46:29,533 --> 01:46:31,433 Then we arrived at Allen Klein. 2064 01:46:31,933 --> 01:46:34,100 Then we get to the ever-changing face 2065 01:46:34,667 --> 01:46:37,767 of the history of this brilliant group. 2066 01:46:49,467 --> 01:46:50,433 For me... 2067 01:46:52,367 --> 01:46:55,033 is the ultimate album. 2068 01:46:55,933 --> 01:46:59,833 Because it meant so much and still does. 2069 01:46:59,900 --> 01:47:02,567 He continued after all this time. 2070 01:47:02,833 --> 01:47:08,500 It's the best rock music album in the world. 2071 01:47:09,033 --> 01:47:13,433 As far as I'm concerned, there isn't a bad Beatles album. 2072 01:47:13,500 --> 01:47:14,500 They're all brilliant. 2073 01:47:15,067 --> 01:47:17,800 And I suppose it's my best. 2074 01:47:17,867 --> 01:47:19,833 I think it's my best because that's what 2075 01:47:19,900 --> 01:47:21,600 I followed it from start to finish. 2076 01:47:22,367 --> 01:47:26,433 And it was very revolutionary in concept and cover. 2077 01:47:26,500 --> 01:47:27,933 So it was my best album. 2078 01:47:28,567 --> 01:47:31,800 It was huge, because at that time they had the capacity 2079 01:47:31,867 --> 01:47:33,533 to advertise it in a fantastic way. 2080 01:47:33,833 --> 01:47:36,067 And they all had in the palm of their hands. 2081 01:47:36,300 --> 01:47:38,400 We were all completely by the Beatles. 2082 01:47:38,467 --> 01:47:41,700 Hardly anyone criticized them. Everyone thought the cover was genius, 2083 01:47:41,767 --> 01:47:43,833 the songs were genius, the presentation... 2084 01:47:43,900 --> 01:47:46,900 For me, it was a miniature masterpiece. 2085 01:47:46,967 --> 01:47:51,067 It was like a pop symphony and it had a wonderful continuity. 2086 01:47:51,667 --> 01:47:57,033 The main scene, the title track, was at the beginning, it was at the end. 2087 01:47:57,400 --> 01:47:59,567 Everything followed everything else. 2088 01:47:59,900 --> 01:48:01,333 It was an absolute joy. 2089 01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:04,300 There's something about the Beatles for every mood. 2090 01:48:04,367 --> 01:48:07,100 The world, posterity, says it's the best album ever. 2091 01:48:07,933 --> 01:48:08,900 It's fantastic. 2092 01:48:08,967 --> 01:48:12,933 Who else do we have that has continued for 50 years, 2093 01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:16,700 and how many generations still hear it? 2094 01:48:16,967 --> 01:48:22,033 Listen to it in mono and don't worry about the stereo. 2095 01:48:22,100 --> 01:48:24,600 Because the Beatles weren't there when it was mixed. 2096 01:48:25,033 --> 01:48:29,667 They were in India. Where the four of them were, 2097 01:48:29,733 --> 01:48:33,000 listened to everything and made decisions. It was the mono version. 2098 01:48:33,633 --> 01:48:36,833 That's the most important thing I can say about Sgt. Pepper. 2099 01:48:37,100 --> 01:48:41,300 You know when you buy an album, and there's a... 2100 01:48:41,367 --> 01:48:42,533 That was years ago. 2101 01:48:43,633 --> 01:48:47,800 There are one or two, perhaps, on the whole album, 2102 01:48:47,867 --> 01:48:49,633 that we really like, 2103 01:48:49,700 --> 01:48:52,667 and the others... They're in the album. 2104 01:48:52,833 --> 01:48:56,900 Back in the day when we did it manually. 2105 01:48:58,700 --> 01:49:01,000 The Beatles' albums were the other way around. 2106 01:49:01,067 --> 01:49:03,100 There could be one that we didn't like very much 2107 01:49:03,333 --> 01:49:04,833 and we'd go crazy with the others. 2108 01:49:04,900 --> 01:49:07,967 They captured the moment, captured it. 2109 01:49:08,500 --> 01:49:10,733 They were perfect 2110 01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:13,633 and dragged everyone behind them, like a locomotive. 2111 01:49:13,700 --> 01:49:15,533 They dragged everything behind them. 2112 01:49:15,967 --> 01:49:17,600 And I think that if they had put 2113 01:49:18,667 --> 01:49:23,933 "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields" in Sgt. Pepper would have been different. 2114 01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:27,300 It would have been, literally, the best album ever made. 2115 01:49:27,467 --> 01:49:28,700 I contradict myself, 2116 01:49:28,867 --> 01:49:31,933 because sometimes I think: "I can't believe this is happening." 2117 01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:36,800 But then I think: "Well, but... I knew it would last forever." 2118 01:49:36,900 --> 01:49:38,500 That the music would last forever. 2119 01:49:38,833 --> 01:49:43,000 It's also a great window to an era of incredible change. 2120 01:49:43,067 --> 01:49:45,600 If you study the Beatles, at any level, 2121 01:49:45,667 --> 01:49:47,667 will be studying the 60s 2122 01:49:48,333 --> 01:49:51,567 and the history of the West, in a way, and how it has changed. 2123 01:49:51,633 --> 01:49:53,033 But it's a timeless question. 2124 01:49:53,533 --> 01:49:57,033 Just as people still study Shakespeare years later. 2125 01:49:58,033 --> 01:50:02,300 With the Beatles, there was also a feel-good factor. 2126 01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:06,667 I always used to say to my friends: "If you're down, listen to the Beatles." 2127 01:50:07,667 --> 01:50:10,400 It helps us see the world in much better places. 2128 01:50:10,467 --> 01:50:12,600 It has healing properties. 2129 01:50:12,667 --> 01:50:16,333 Four guys, it worked. 2130 01:50:16,733 --> 01:50:18,000 And the talent was there. 2131 01:50:19,300 --> 01:50:23,600 And I don't think other Beatles. 2132 01:50:24,667 --> 01:50:27,067 Back to the Liverpool Echo, 2133 01:50:27,300 --> 01:50:29,367 where there was an article with Brian Epstein. 2134 01:50:30,067 --> 01:50:33,600 He said: "I think the Beatles will be bigger than Elvis." 2135 01:50:34,467 --> 01:50:36,333 And everyone laughed. They said: 2136 01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:40,333 "How does a band from Liverpool from this small stage at the Cavern, 2137 01:50:40,533 --> 01:50:42,800 with all this leather, 2138 01:50:43,100 --> 01:50:44,433 can become bigger than Elvis?" 2139 01:50:44,500 --> 01:50:46,967 Because Elvis was there. He was in America, 2140 01:50:47,033 --> 01:50:48,800 was the biggest star in the world. 2141 01:50:49,467 --> 01:50:53,500 But he was proved right, it was the greatest band ever. 2142 01:50:53,567 --> 01:50:54,967 He saw something we didn't. 2143 01:50:55,033 --> 01:50:57,567 I think the Beatles were embarrassed by that, 2144 01:50:57,633 --> 01:51:00,033 and I think a lot of Liverpool bands too. 2145 01:51:00,467 --> 01:51:02,800 "Bigger than Elvis? Come on." 2146 01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:04,567 But Brian was right. 2147 01:51:05,333 --> 01:51:08,867 Even today, charisma and excitement 2148 01:51:08,933 --> 01:51:11,000 that the name "Beatles" creates... 2149 01:51:12,300 --> 01:51:15,467 Not just in Liverpool, all over the world, it doesn't matter. 2150 01:51:15,533 --> 01:51:19,400 In Mexico, in South America, Japan, Germany, wherever you want. 2151 01:51:19,833 --> 01:51:22,433 On a small island in Samoa, somewhere. 2152 01:51:23,300 --> 01:51:25,700 If you mention the Beatles, it's a euphoria. 2153 01:51:25,767 --> 01:51:26,633 That's it... 2154 01:51:27,433 --> 01:51:29,100 That's the legacy they left behind. 2155 01:51:29,333 --> 01:51:31,633 And whether anyone will overcome this legacy, 2156 01:51:31,700 --> 01:51:32,567 God only knows. 2157 01:51:33,500 --> 01:51:34,733 But it's an incredible legacy. 2158 01:51:35,033 --> 01:51:39,633 And it's fantastic for me, to have been a small part of that. 2159 01:51:50,933 --> 01:51:52,833 538 DAYS AFTER THE RELEASE OF SGT PEPPER, 2160 01:51:52,900 --> 01:51:54,967 THE BEATLES HAVE RELEASED A DOUBLE ALBUM WITH 2161 01:51:55,033 --> 01:51:57,800 30 NEW SONGS IN A SIMPLE WHITE COVER... 2162 01:51:57,867 --> 01:52:02,533 WENT STRAIGHT TO NUMBER 1 WORLDWIDE... 2163 01:53:22,733 --> 01:53:24,733 Subtitles: Luís Perat 2164 01:53:28,333 --> 01:53:29,867 Guys, where is the dog whistle? 171604

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