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AUGUST 1966
THE START OF AN EXTRAORDINARY YEAR.
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It's easy to forget that London
was only 22 years into the war,
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so we have a Great Britain
that we recognize
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through photographs and images
of black and white news
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and then we have a kind of new era,
which is multicolored,
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and the Beatles were at the forefront of that,
they were pioneers.
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- Hello, John. Are you looking forward to the tour?
- Good morning, John. Yes.
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This religious controversy,
I know you don't want to say too much,
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worried that it will boil over
when you get to the United States?
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It worries me, yes, but I hope
everything will be all right in the end.
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Do you think this will be
a controversial tour,
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how was the Philippines?
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- No, not really.
- No, not really.
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No, it'll be fine.
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- What makes you say that, Paul?
- It's going to be fine. Take a look.
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The Klan, let's demonstrate,
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with different ways
to prevent this action.
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GO HOME
BEATLES
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Outside the Coliseum,
this little band of demonstrators...
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help keep communists
OUT OF THE UNITED STATES
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... it was the only sign
of a visible protest.
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You have to remember that the Beatles
were the biggest thing in the world.
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The Beatles were as big
as the presidents combined
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or heads of state
of seven large countries in one room.
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How are you?
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And they can say hello, can't they?
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- Hello.
- Hello.
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Say a cheerful hello, boys.
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- Hello!
- Hello!
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John, do you regret what you said?
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Yes. Yes, I am.
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I think that's true.
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I think the band
was much more popular.
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ISSUER
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I won't use the words "JC",
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but they were more popular than
the Church of England and religion.
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I don't think there's any doubt
about that.
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This is where the problem began,
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in the tiny studio on the top floor
of Station WAQY,
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"Wacky Radio" to three-quarters of a
million citizens of Birmingham, Alabama.
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Tommy Charles,
disc jockey and station manager,
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read in Datebook magazine
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John Lennon's statements
about Christianity,
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that had gone almost unnoticed
when they were published in Britain.
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Let's think about the past, how
important at his time...
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ROBERT STIGWOOD ORGANIZATION
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... maybe around 300 people
would have heard of him.
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In terms of an important industry,
even if we think in today's terms,
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what it means
for society in general terms,
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certainly in Europe,
the Beatles would have been more important.
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But,
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America in those days was obsessed with
Jesus, not the Beatles.
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JESUS DIED FOR YOU,
JOHN LENNON
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Regarding the purpose of this meeting with me,
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I thank God
may Jesus Christ be popular with me,
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because he saved me 31 years ago.
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And everyone here tonight,
if it's popular with you, say, "Amen."
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Amen!
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They were not qualified
to talk about
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the price of milk, let alone
about the state the world was in.
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They were sponges.
They absorbed so much feeling...
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FAMOUS BEATLES AUTHOR
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... so much emotion, so that
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thought they were aging
at twice the normal rate.
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I know Brian was very worried...
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BRIAN EPSTEIN'S SECRETARY
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... with all that,
before they left for the United States,
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and... but what John did
was something very innocent,
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because they were more important.
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More people wanted the Beatles
than those who wanted to go to church.
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Brian, are you in any way worried
about what might happen
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to the Beatles when they arrive?
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- Yes, I'm worried.
- About what?
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Security.
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What do you propose to do
to protect them?
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There's very little you can do,
because they...
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They have always enjoyed it in the country,
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maximum security
and digressions have always been
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exceptionally well planned
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and hope for the best.
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They were burning records in Memphis...
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AUTHOR/JOURNALIST
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... and the people on stage thought
they might get shot.
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We think: "Something strange is going on
that we don't quite understand."
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Most of the criticism came
from the southern Bible Belt
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and we're wondering if it's going to change
the Beatles' itinerary
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to avoid areas
where radio stations
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are burning your records
and your photos.
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This is highly unlikely.
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This morning,
I spoke to many of the promoters
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and when I leave I have a meeting
with several promoters,
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that they are not looking forward to
none of the concerts are canceled.
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In fact, if any of the prosecutors
were concerned
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and wanted a concert
to be canceled,
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I wouldn't object.
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In fact, the concert in Memphis,
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which is the closest to...
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From where it started,
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apparently sold more tickets yesterday
than they had sold up to that day.
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Tony Barrow was the person
who alerted Datebook
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for the existence of these interviews.
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He contacted Art Unger,
the editor, and said:
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AUTHOR OF "THE BEATLES '66"
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... "You'll love these interviews.
They're just your style."
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But Art Unger had the idea
of sending them to something that...
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Nowadays we call them
presenters,
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but he knew
that it would annoy some DJs,
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so he sent them to some DJs
in Birmingham, Alabama,
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and they got really angry.
That's when it really started.
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AUGUST 15TH, 1966
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Many of them hate us.
Did you see that?
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I saw a similar version
of what you say in the newspaper.
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If it makes other people
feel better, it makes me feel better.
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But there weren't as many upset people
as I was led to believe.
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And not so seriously upset.
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Brian Epstein was going to cancel the tour...
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MERSEYBEAT NEWSPAPER
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... but they decided to go ahead
if John apologized,
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and he very reluctantly did so,
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it was like an apology
at second hand.
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Well, I was originally told
that fact in reference to England...
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AUGUST 11, 1966
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... that we were more important to
children than Jesus or religion.
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I wasn't badmouthing or denigrating,
I was simply stating a fact,
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and it was... It's true,
even more so in England than here.
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I'm not saying
that we are better or bigger,
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or comparing ourselves to Jesus Christ,
as a person,
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or with God, as a thing,
or whatever.
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I just said what I said and it was wrong,
or was misinterpreted.
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And George said: "I don't care.
They'll just buy more albums
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to replace those who burned."
So.
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How do you feel about
this issue
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of the group to say what they think?
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Do you think it's possible
in their position?
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Absolutely.
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I never suggested
to do otherwise.
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Did you suggest that John apologize?
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We talked about it
and that was our mutual feeling.
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I never ordered
the boys to do anything,
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or in relation to music,
in artistic or discursive matters.
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They...
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We all have our opinions
and I contribute, I suppose, a fifth.
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This also happened at the end
of a long world tour,
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where other horrible things
had happened to the Beatles.
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They received death threats in Japan,
been squeezed in the Philippines...
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RETURN OF THE PHILIPPINES,
JULY 1966
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... for allegedly despising
the first lady, Imelda Marcos,
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when they didn't show up
at a reception she organized.
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This was just the last straw...
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YOU'RE ADORABLE, LENNON
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... and they were thinking
that they could be murdered.
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It was so early
that this kind of thing
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began to appear
in people's minds.
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John, what exactly happened
at Manila Airport?
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We were kicked and pushed
by some monkeys
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and we were very scared.
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How scared were you, George?
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Petrified, I would say.
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Yes, it was...
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It was very bad,
there were about five...
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Some very big guys,
strange looking,
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with weapons
and all the rest of the equipment.
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- Who did the kicking.
- Yes, and they
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had prepared...
It was so obvious.
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They prepared to put us through
the worst possible moment
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before we got to the airport.
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So,
diexagons of play and...
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Me, personally,
was always avoiding these people.
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They were the ones
causing the problems.
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Yes, just those five.
Because the others didn't bother me.
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Did you really have to carry
luggage through the airport?
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Hand luggage only.
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Our tour managers
carry large suitcases.
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- Because they know...
- They turned off our escalators
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and we had to carry them
up the stairs.
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- The amplifiers.
- That's their intelligence.
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How many people were
involved in this demonstration?
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I thought there were thirty.
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I've been telling everyone 30
and George says there were five.
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No, it was more like a
small army that beat us.
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There were about ten others, at the bottom
of a crowd of normal people,
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shouting "Boo".
We looked to see who it was,
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and they were little kids smiling,
about 18.
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And the guys behind,
like the Gestapo, going "Boo".
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I think they were
probably protesters.
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It was one of those places
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when we knew they were
waiting for a fight
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and they were provoking us,
if we had done something, they would have...
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- That's enough of that.
- Yes.
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And beyond the Philippines,
did you enjoy your trip?
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Yes, it was a great tour.
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Except this morning, actually.
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- Yes.
- Japan was fantastic, very pleasant.
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- And Delhi was good.
- Yes.
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Great people in Japan,
almost everyone we met.
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They occupied Manila in the war.
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Would they play in the Philippines again?
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- No, I don't.
- I don't even want to land there.
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No airplane would pass by with me
inside. Nor would it fly over.
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When they returned from Manila
and stopped in Delhi,
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that's when they started
talking about the possibility
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to give up riding on the road.
Brian was devastated by this,
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because it was obvious
that it wouldn't be necessary
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if all the appointments
were in the studio.
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Where would he come in? Because he gained
importance by scheduling tours,
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doing all those things
and following the Beatles.
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And he was a guy who loved
show business.
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I loved the theater. I'd been at RADA,
so I loved the theatrical side.
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From your dressing room,
in the nearby security area,
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the Beatles emerged
to play their second show,
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always closely watched
by Captain Barney Hicks' police,
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82 men, all working overtime
at 30 shillings an hour.
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It was total madness,
years ago around the Beatles.
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What's fantastic
is that they put up with it.
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They just did
what was expected of them.
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When we think about temperament
and egomania,
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even in today's
rock bands of today,
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what the Beatles could handle,
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in the name of the common good, because they were told
that's how it had to be,
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including John,
was extraordinary.
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When the Beatles' charter arrived...
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August 19, 1966
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... away from the hundreds
of fans in the terminal
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towards a deserted part of the runway,
used only by the National Guard.
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Only a handful of teenagers escaped
the tight security measures.
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Worried about your visit to the south,
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the Beatles could at least
with the success of the trip for the time being.
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With only half
of the concerts performed,
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had already raised
more than half a million dollars
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and his last single, "Yellow Submarine",
had sold a million.
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Is this your first trip to the south?
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No, we've been to Texas.
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Where will you go
when you leave here?
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I think to Cincinnati,
yes, that's it.
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And how long will they be in the United States?
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About two more weeks.
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- Two more weeks?
- Yes.
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What did you have for lunch?
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I didn't eat much.
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I didn't eat much.
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- Go on, I've got to go. It's boiling.
- Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
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BEATLE STREET
FOUR BOYS WHO ROCKED THE WORLD
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They appeared in the dressing room
and they were all sad.
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And John was saying:
"We should never have done this,
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ever."
- They've had two number ones in the meantime.
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Returning to a small club like this...
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But they promised to do another concert,
so all the best to them.
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There was only one dressing room.
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The dressing room was like
a phone booth.
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We were inside.
The Beatles were inside
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and someone else was there.
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They weren't very happy.
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And they all went on stage.
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John couldn't stop laughing.
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They had a piano on stage,
with a big cover.
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"What are you laughing at?"
"King Size Taylor left his mark."
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The Beatles started playing,
the girls couldn't stop screaming
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and the light went out,
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except for a small lamp on the stage.
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A small lamp on stage,
remember?
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- Yes, it's true.
- No speakers, nothing.
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Everyone was saying:
"What's going on?"
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So, Paul,
being Paul, jumps on the piano
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a song starts playing,
and I think John was with the acoustics.
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So at least they could hear
a bit of acoustic guitar.
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And for years and years,
we thought that Paul
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had started playing
one of his father's old songs,
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of the 20s,
because that's how it seemed to us,
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until we received the
Sgt. Pepper, you know...
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When I get older
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It was unbelievable.
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We had heard the song in 1963.
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It doesn't matter if they don't like our
or the way we look,
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or what we say.
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They have the right not to like us
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and we have the right
to have nothing to do with them,
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if we don't want to,
or if we don't care.
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We all have our rights,
Harold.
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Towards the end, it was crazy.
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They could have been anywhere.
They were in a room...
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FAN CLUB SECRETARY
OF THE BEATLES
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... and that room
could be in Wales or Tokyo.
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They didn't know.
It was just a hotel room.
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It's hard to imagine nowadays,
but the songs from Revolver,
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that could easily
be reproduced on stage now,
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they couldn't find a way to do it
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and played very little
Rubber Soul on stage.
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They didn't play anything from Revolver,
even though it was the last album,
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when they made their final tours.
- In addition to rock 'n' roll...
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BEATLES/BUZZCOCKS FAN
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... they developed
a more melodic Beatles
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and I think we needed
to hear the complexities of the songs
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and, as they developed musically,
they couldn't hear anything.
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I was in New York,
working with the Yardbirds,
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when the Beatles' big tour
was being prepared in New York,
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and Brian was there.
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I didn't deal with Brian, but I knew,
from the prosecutors, what was going on,
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and Brian and the group wanted to limit
the capacity to 10 or 15,000 seats,
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because of the sound problem.
They wanted to be able to play and be heard
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and not be drowned out by the shouting.
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But the police said they wouldn't accept it.
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They knew that
100 or 200,000 people,
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even if it was
a 10,000-seat hall.
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It would be very dangerous to have 10,000 people
inside and 90,000 outside.
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So the promoter wasn't greedy,
not the Beatles, not Brian Epstein.
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It was the police,
the way they got the license.
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They were trapped.
Imprisoned by the tours.
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They couldn't get out of prison
until they got home.
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They flew around the world,
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people shouted at them,
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they couldn't hear each other
and thought:
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"That wasn't the reason
to start doing this, guys."
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"We started doing this because it was
fun. Not anymore."
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John discussed it with me in detail
over dinner in 1980 in New York.
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He famously said
that when they played "Twist and Shout",
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he had changed the lyrics to
"I'm screwed by the drop",
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and thought it was hilarious,
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first, because it's a funny line,
and secondly, because nobody heard it.
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The front row of the audience were
children in wheelchairs.
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John, in particular,
was completely freaked out.
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He had a terrible phobia
about physical disability,
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but then these little
were taken to the dressing room,
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after the show, as if it were
a sanctuary and could heal people.
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But worse than that, some people,
without being responsible,
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grabbed a wheelchair
and pushed the children into the dressing room.
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It was a horrendous scene
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and they put up with it.
That's the fantastic part.
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They accepted.
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George talked a lot about the fact that
they weren't progressing musically,
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because they always made progress when they played
in front of audiences who could see
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and receiving this kind of
intimate response
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and now they couldn't see the audience.
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It's very sad.
In Candlestick Park, they were in a cage,
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literally in a cage on stage.
335
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Would it be possible to go
further from the Cavern?
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We used to work on the machines
that regulate the volume, the tone,
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the bottom, the three handles.
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We didn't have all these faders,
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or computers
or flashing lights.
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The Beatles' contract only said
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that the prosecutor should provide
two, maybe three microphones,
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and a suitable lighting system.
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Songs like "Eleanor Rigby"
even if they could play them on stage,
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weren't the kind of songs
the audience would respond to.
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First, because it wasn't a song
that you could jump or dance to
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and secondly, critics said
that it was a rather dark theme,
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churches, lonely women,
death and things like that.
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It didn't sound like the Beatles.
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The Beatles, for a long time,
succeeded,
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due to its tremendous popularity
all over the world,
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especially with younger people,
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were able to say
everything they wanted
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without thinking about
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common sense, maturity
or in the wisdom of what they were saying.
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Wasn't he just being honest?
356
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Your answers are so irreverent
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and their attitude is so bizarre,
in many cases,
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you never know
whether he's being honest or not.
359
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What difference did this confusion make
on your tour?
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If he did.
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Paul?
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I don't think it did much.
It made her more confused.
363
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It made
press conferences more important.
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People told us that
the last time we came,
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our answers were
a bit irreverent,
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why wasn't it like that this time?
367
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The point is that the issues are
a bit more serious this time.
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It didn't affect the reserves.
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The bookings have been...
The people who have come to the concerts
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have been the same,
except for the first show in Memphis,
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which was a bit low,
but then what?
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It was a very interesting change
in the music industry in England,
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in 1966, 67.
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It was the beginning of
of the word "rock".
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It had never been heard before.
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In 1967, the biggest event of the year
was the Monterey Pop Festival.
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"Pop" was a buzzword
and who was at the pop festival?
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All the people
who we now call rock stars.
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But little by little,
during that year,
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the press began, more and more,
to use the word "rock",
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and applied it to groups
that weren't puppets,
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who didn't play songs
of popular music writers
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and groups that played their own music,
without session musicians.
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Most of the groups that were like this
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wanted to establish their credentials
against the established regime
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with long hair
or the hard look
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00:20:15,567 --> 00:20:18,067
and the Stones were the archetype,
they were the first,
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00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:21,400
and The Who adapted later,
they switched from pop to rock.
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Are you going to play Beatles records again?
390
00:20:23,967 --> 00:20:26,867
I was asked
by the people at Capitol Records,
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who promote their albums in this country.
Brian Epstein wanted to know
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when we're going to lift the restriction,
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because it seemed that everyone expected
for us to take the first step,
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and wanted to know what it would take.
Well, I don't have a price.
395
00:20:39,933 --> 00:20:42,867
I'm not expecting
something the Beatles do.
396
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I don't know.
397
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I want them to
change my mind about them.
398
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I want to see...
399
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,800
I don't know.
I want to see them grow up a bit.
400
00:20:53,867 --> 00:20:57,300
DJ Tommy Charles,
who started this dispute,
401
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I said I wouldn't play your albums
until you grew up a bit.
402
00:21:00,567 --> 00:21:01,800
How do you feel about it?
403
00:21:01,867 --> 00:21:04,033
I don't care if
they play again.
404
00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:06,433
The question is this:
Everyone seems to think,
405
00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:08,333
when they hear us say things like that,
406
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that we are childish.
407
00:21:10,333 --> 00:21:13,467
You can't say things like that
if you're not a silly child.
408
00:21:13,533 --> 00:21:15,600
Do you feel that the Americans
want to harm you,
409
00:21:15,667 --> 00:21:18,100
that this has become
a witch hunt?
410
00:21:18,333 --> 00:21:21,433
Do you mind if I ask?
for example, in America, about Vietnam?
411
00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:23,100
- Does this seem useful to you?
- I don't know.
412
00:21:23,333 --> 00:21:24,833
If we can say
that war is not good
413
00:21:24,900 --> 00:21:27,367
and some people believing in us,
it can be good.
414
00:21:27,433 --> 00:21:29,367
But we can't say too much.
That's the problem.
415
00:21:29,433 --> 00:21:30,800
It seems stupid to be in America
416
00:21:30,867 --> 00:21:33,667
and no one talks about Vietnam,
as if nothing was happening.
417
00:21:33,733 --> 00:21:36,667
But why ask you?
You're successful artists.
418
00:21:36,733 --> 00:21:40,533
Because Americans always ask
artists what they think about it.
419
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:41,833
Just like the British.
420
00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:43,467
It's show business,
you know.
421
00:21:43,767 --> 00:21:46,533
But we must...
We can't keep quiet
422
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,833
in relation to what's going on in the world,
unless you're a monk.
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00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:51,967
I'm sorry, monks, I didn't mean it.
I meant to say, actually...
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They were leading
what was already happening...
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JOHN LENNON'S SISTER
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00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,733
... the adolescent revolution
into a complete human being.
427
00:22:03,733 --> 00:22:06,500
Swinging London was a huge movement.
428
00:22:06,567 --> 00:22:08,300
There was the counterculture part,
429
00:22:08,367 --> 00:22:12,033
when everyone had long hair
hair, beards and moustaches,
430
00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:15,667
things like that, and went to places
like the UFO Club and places like that.
431
00:22:15,733 --> 00:22:18,633
All the psychedelic stuff,
with Pink Floyd and all the others.
432
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,067
And there were miniskirts,
the new fashion, the boutiques,
433
00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:25,700
and things like that,
and it was always changing.
434
00:22:25,767 --> 00:22:27,833
I was the resident model
for Foale and Tuffin,
435
00:22:27,900 --> 00:22:31,833
but we also had a store and sometimes,
when I wasn't showing clothes...
436
00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:32,767
PATTI BOYD'S SISTER
437
00:22:32,833 --> 00:22:34,100
... I was going to work for the store
438
00:22:34,333 --> 00:22:37,300
and the boys from the
Carnaby Street
439
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to listen to and share records.
440
00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:42,833
What mattered was the music
and how we looked.
441
00:22:43,367 --> 00:22:46,700
It started when Paul had
his motorcycle accident,
442
00:22:47,033 --> 00:22:50,067
broke his front tooth
and cut his lip
443
00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:55,367
the day before I made the videos
for "Rain" and "Paperback Writer".
444
00:22:55,967 --> 00:22:59,967
And he grew a moustache
to hide the shame of saying
445
00:23:00,033 --> 00:23:01,767
"I have a broken tooth".
446
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,000
You haven't thought about going to a dentist
and get your tooth fixed.
447
00:23:06,067 --> 00:23:08,567
He just stuck chewing gum in there,
for a while,
448
00:23:08,933 --> 00:23:13,800
but then he grew
a mustache to cover the war wound.
449
00:23:14,733 --> 00:23:17,567
And the others thought:
"That's cool."
450
00:23:17,633 --> 00:23:19,333
And they all grew moustaches.
451
00:23:19,767 --> 00:23:23,967
Suddenly,
mustaches, and things like that,
452
00:23:24,433 --> 00:23:27,300
drugs and looking at the world
differently...
453
00:23:27,733 --> 00:23:29,933
Whatever you do,
as musicians,
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00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,467
ends up on the recording
and a song somewhere.
455
00:23:33,867 --> 00:23:36,067
It's always related
to our experience.
456
00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:38,100
We smoked weed back then
457
00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:40,733
and that changes our perception,
458
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,567
I think it breaks down a lot of barriers.
459
00:23:44,833 --> 00:23:47,533
It was much more
to go against the regime
460
00:23:48,033 --> 00:23:50,467
and to get in touch
with our creativity.
461
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,867
I think they were constantly
trying to repudiate the image
462
00:23:53,933 --> 00:23:55,333
of the four
adorable mop heads.
463
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,067
I think that was
one of the reasons behind it,
464
00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:00,900
to look different,
dress differently, to look grown-up.
465
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,067
The Beatles are breaking up,
as a group?
466
00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:05,300
Absolutely not.
467
00:24:05,667 --> 00:24:08,300
Is there any truth in the story
that was published today,
468
00:24:08,367 --> 00:24:10,300
that could end
in the near future?
469
00:24:10,367 --> 00:24:11,400
None.
470
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You can tell me, then,
why you don't have any tours scheduled
471
00:24:13,967 --> 00:24:15,967
for Christmas
or to America next year?
472
00:24:16,033 --> 00:24:18,633
They were involved
in several different commitments.
473
00:24:19,033 --> 00:24:20,767
John Lennon has been
making a movie.
474
00:24:21,733 --> 00:24:25,633
Paul has been writing music
for the new Hayley Mills movie.
475
00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:26,767
E...
476
00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:28,767
I'm not...
477
00:24:28,833 --> 00:24:30,767
They must all be in this country
478
00:24:30,833 --> 00:24:33,100
at the end of December...
At the end of November.
479
00:24:33,467 --> 00:24:35,867
They're going to record a few more albums.
480
00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:40,033
And then they'll work
on the plans for the next movie.
481
00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:43,000
Will there be any change
in the work you do?
482
00:24:43,067 --> 00:24:44,767
Will there be fewer tours
next year?
483
00:24:47,067 --> 00:24:47,933
Possibly.
484
00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:53,033
As I said before, there is
dynamic or important change,
485
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,067
but the Beatles have always progressed
486
00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:57,933
and to progress,
there has to be change.
487
00:24:58,433 --> 00:25:02,333
They had great antennae, the Beatles.
They understood everything quickly.
488
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,033
They understood the way forward,
489
00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:06,467
was part of his upbringing.
490
00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:07,567
And they were...
491
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,300
They were, in a way,
492
00:25:09,767 --> 00:25:12,833
beyond "Penny Lane"
and "Strawberry Fields",
493
00:25:13,667 --> 00:25:14,900
were not being American.
494
00:25:14,967 --> 00:25:17,467
They were no longer being
pseudo-Americans.
495
00:25:17,533 --> 00:25:19,833
They didn't have American accents,
previously,
496
00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:22,533
had prompted Paul's father to say:
"Why do you sing 'Yeah, yeah'?
497
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,733
Why not 'Yes, yes'?"
498
00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:27,733
They were taking...
They were using their own culture,
499
00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:31,000
which is very interesting,
and Penny Lane is fantastic...
500
00:25:31,067 --> 00:25:33,033
They're both fantastic songs.
501
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,967
In fact, I think
the great tragedy of Sgt. Pepper
502
00:25:38,533 --> 00:25:39,767
was that these two songs
were not present.
503
00:25:39,833 --> 00:25:40,700
BARBEARIA
504
00:25:40,767 --> 00:25:44,067
It would have been a fantastic album.
I always thought they should
505
00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:47,300
to have added them and said:
"We did these two before.
506
00:25:47,367 --> 00:25:49,433
Here they are."
And they're the best.
507
00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:51,567
"Penny Lane
and "Strawberry Fields Forever".
508
00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:57,000
One is the very specific imagery,
very clear, of Paul McCartney in 1950,
509
00:25:57,067 --> 00:25:59,833
about a part of Liverpool
that everyone knew very well.
510
00:26:00,733 --> 00:26:04,467
The other is much more surreal,
John's, surreal to say the least,
511
00:26:04,967 --> 00:26:07,833
but we still have a feeling
that this is a real place,
512
00:26:08,033 --> 00:26:12,667
and is a kind of surreal vision of John
about a place he knew as a child.
513
00:26:13,033 --> 00:26:14,767
When they stopped touring,
forever...
514
00:26:14,833 --> 00:26:15,733
OFFICIAL BEATLES BIOGRAPHER
515
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,900
... became completely
responsible for themselves.
516
00:26:18,067 --> 00:26:20,867
They did their own thing
with Sgt. Pepper
517
00:26:21,033 --> 00:26:25,767
and began to ignore Brian Epstein,
who no longer controlled them.
518
00:26:25,967 --> 00:26:28,300
And they started bossing George Martin around.
519
00:26:28,533 --> 00:26:30,633
George only did the technical stuff.
520
00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:33,900
He would give his opinion, but they would say:
"Well, let's do one more take."
521
00:26:34,367 --> 00:26:37,400
In the beginning, it was George Martin
who said that.
522
00:26:37,567 --> 00:26:41,000
I'd say that when the tour ended,
Brian felt left out.
523
00:26:41,067 --> 00:26:43,733
When they were on tour,
he didn't do much.
524
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,967
I was only with them, because things
are done by the local prosecutor,
525
00:26:47,033 --> 00:26:48,467
by the local tour manager,
526
00:26:48,633 --> 00:26:50,467
but at least
Brian was traveling with them.
527
00:26:50,533 --> 00:26:52,367
He felt that he was part
of what they were doing.
528
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:54,900
When the tours stopped,
he didn't feel like he was part
529
00:26:54,967 --> 00:26:56,733
what they were doing in the studio.
530
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,467
He had never helped create
the songs, had never been in the studio.
531
00:26:59,533 --> 00:27:00,700
He was no George Martin,
532
00:27:00,767 --> 00:27:04,633
so he suddenly felt
without much to do.
533
00:27:05,367 --> 00:27:06,333
And that wore him down.
534
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,567
He started taking more drugs,
started spending more time playing
535
00:27:10,333 --> 00:27:13,967
and definitely
he felt that his relationship
536
00:27:14,033 --> 00:27:15,900
had somehow been cut off.
537
00:27:15,967 --> 00:27:19,633
Brian's role, like
their roles, was changing,
538
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,933
but I think he would always have been
the fifth Beatle, if you like.
539
00:27:25,667 --> 00:27:28,600
He took them from the Cavern
to the world stage.
540
00:27:28,967 --> 00:27:31,633
At the beginning of 1967,
because they made a...
541
00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:36,300
They made some music that was used
at a night rave in Roundhouse e,
542
00:27:36,667 --> 00:27:38,867
as far as I know,
543
00:27:38,933 --> 00:27:41,333
only Mark Lewisohn heard it,
beyond the Beatles,
544
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,933
but apparently
it's them knocking
545
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,833
on any type of
percussion instrument... metal trays,
546
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:51,733
tables, whatever was around the studio,
and doing it for seven minutes and...
547
00:27:52,833 --> 00:27:55,633
I think there was the idea
that whatever they did,
548
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,800
and the less limited the better,
549
00:27:57,867 --> 00:28:00,467
would be a kind of
of golden artistic powder,
550
00:28:00,533 --> 00:28:02,067
but it wasn't always.
551
00:28:02,467 --> 00:28:05,033
There was a problem.
They thought: "Where are we going next?"
552
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:08,467
They had been the biggest
on tour, then the biggest pop group.
553
00:28:08,533 --> 00:28:11,433
They had written the best songs,
ranked from first to fifth
554
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:13,400
consecutively
in the American charts.
555
00:28:13,467 --> 00:28:14,800
Where do you go next?
556
00:28:14,867 --> 00:28:17,700
And the only way to continue
is to make great art.
557
00:28:17,767 --> 00:28:20,533
"We have to go somewhere better,
go to a higher level.
558
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,467
If we can't become
rock musicians,
559
00:28:22,533 --> 00:28:25,100
we could move forward and put pop
on the same level as art,
560
00:28:25,333 --> 00:28:26,933
with great music and great painting."
561
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:29,333
I think that's what
they thought.
562
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,033
"There's no interest
in doing anything else.
563
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:33,833
There's no interest in releasing
another Revolver full of pop.
564
00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:36,367
We have to do something
absolutely wonderful."
565
00:28:36,433 --> 00:28:37,600
And they did.
566
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,900
I heard "Strawberry Fields"
and I was absolutely amazed,
567
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,433
because one of the things
I had told my editor
568
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:46,800
was that the Beatles
are still progressing,
569
00:28:47,033 --> 00:28:48,700
and I thought this was incredible.
570
00:28:48,767 --> 00:28:52,067
It's been a huge leap
since Love Me Do or something.
571
00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:54,333
No one seems
can clearly say
572
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,067
that "Penny Lane" was written to surpass
"Strawberry Fields" but it seems that,
573
00:28:58,467 --> 00:29:01,933
when John jumped in and did a
specific Liverpool song, Paul...
574
00:29:02,533 --> 00:29:05,867
Because there was a beautiful
spirit between John and Paul.
575
00:29:06,667 --> 00:29:08,467
Each pulled the other higher,
576
00:29:08,533 --> 00:29:10,600
because, in a very friendly way,
they thought:
577
00:29:10,667 --> 00:29:12,667
"I'll take the A-side
of the next single."
578
00:29:12,833 --> 00:29:15,500
Or: "He did that, I'm going to do that."
It was fantastic.
579
00:29:15,567 --> 00:29:18,300
Without any kind of poison, they...
580
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,000
They were both trying to outdo each other.
581
00:29:20,067 --> 00:29:23,833
That was the plan, to start again
and write an album all about Liverpool.
582
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:26,767
It's been said, do something,
583
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,533
maybe an album
related to Liverpool.
584
00:29:31,533 --> 00:29:35,833
And, of course, they had "Penny Lane"
ready, "Strawberry Fields"
585
00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:37,933
and "A Day in the Life".
586
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:42,700
And then, of course,
George Martin said:
587
00:29:42,767 --> 00:29:44,733
"They've been quiet for too long."
588
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,367
So they gave him that,
589
00:29:46,433 --> 00:29:48,533
but they insisted
for it to be a double A-side.
590
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,800
As a double side A,
they split the sales,
591
00:29:51,867 --> 00:29:53,733
so they were only able to reach
to number two.
592
00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:56,767
Meanwhile, in Liverpool,
593
00:29:56,833 --> 00:29:58,767
there was a group called The Hillsiders,
594
00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:01,400
and the manager, Spencer Lloyd Mason,
595
00:30:01,833 --> 00:30:06,367
noticed that one of the members
had found a country record
596
00:30:06,433 --> 00:30:07,867
they wanted to record,
597
00:30:07,933 --> 00:30:12,633
so they took him to the guy who handled
at Decca, Noel Walker,
598
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:14,767
who was also from Merseyside,
and said:
599
00:30:14,833 --> 00:30:17,500
"We want to do this
and can we do it with an orchestra?"
600
00:30:17,567 --> 00:30:19,467
It was a show called Release Me.
601
00:30:19,667 --> 00:30:22,000
And instead of recording it
with The Hillsiders,
602
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,567
he passed it on to people
who thought it would be an ideal record
603
00:30:25,633 --> 00:30:26,933
for Engelbert Humperdinck,
604
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:29,300
that made it to number one
605
00:30:29,367 --> 00:30:31,500
and kept the Beatles
out of the number one spot,
606
00:30:31,567 --> 00:30:33,667
for the first time
on several albums.
607
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:35,867
It was all the fault
of a group from Liverpool.
608
00:30:35,933 --> 00:30:38,767
Regarding the album about Liverpool,
in a way,
609
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:42,333
we have enough
in "Strawberry Fields" and "Penny Lane"
610
00:30:42,633 --> 00:30:44,300
for more than one album.
611
00:30:44,467 --> 00:30:45,933
They did it in a single.
612
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,500
They did it in a magnificent single,
double-A side.
613
00:30:49,567 --> 00:30:51,867
DECEMBER 1966
614
00:30:51,933 --> 00:30:53,833
- Can I have a word with you?
- Yes.
615
00:30:54,767 --> 00:30:57,567
The Beatles go
their lives in 1967?
616
00:30:58,067 --> 00:31:00,667
You can do it,
each on their own or together.
617
00:31:00,733 --> 00:31:03,067
We are always involved with
each other in whatever we do.
618
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:06,567
Can you imagine a time
when you weren't working together?
619
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,600
I can imagine us
not working together for a while,
620
00:31:09,667 --> 00:31:12,100
but we always get together,
for one reason or another.
621
00:31:12,333 --> 00:31:15,300
We also need other people
for ideas,
622
00:31:15,867 --> 00:31:18,100
and we all get on well.
623
00:31:18,333 --> 00:31:21,600
Are you going to make movies on your own
next year?
624
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,667
No, I don't want to make a career of it.
I did it because I felt like it
625
00:31:25,733 --> 00:31:29,433
and Dick Lester invited me
and I accepted,
626
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,567
I wouldn't have done it
if the others hadn't liked it.
627
00:31:32,633 --> 00:31:34,700
They said, "All right,
because we were on vacation.
628
00:31:34,767 --> 00:31:36,900
Do the others have ambitions
to make movies?
629
00:31:37,033 --> 00:31:39,000
No, nobody is
particularly interested in that.
630
00:31:39,067 --> 00:31:40,500
I don't really feel like it.
631
00:31:40,567 --> 00:31:42,633
- What do you really want to do?
- I don't know.
632
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:44,800
I just want to do a few things.
633
00:31:44,967 --> 00:31:46,967
And you haven't decided exactly what?
634
00:31:47,433 --> 00:31:48,767
No, I'm going to try out a few things,
635
00:31:48,833 --> 00:31:53,300
but I learned a bit more
about making movies by doing so.
636
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,000
The team songwriting thing
637
00:31:56,067 --> 00:31:57,867
will it continue no matter what?
638
00:31:57,933 --> 00:32:01,433
Yes, we'll probably continue
writing songs forever,
639
00:32:01,667 --> 00:32:04,600
whatever we do,
because we can't stop.
640
00:32:04,667 --> 00:32:07,633
We do it, regardless of
whether we want to or not.
641
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:10,000
But do you think that tours,
like American tours
642
00:32:10,067 --> 00:32:12,300
and the English,
there are fans in England...
643
00:32:12,367 --> 00:32:16,000
But there must be a point
when they no longer work,
644
00:32:16,067 --> 00:32:19,800
because they are not related
to what we're doing on the albums.
645
00:32:19,867 --> 00:32:22,967
They knew they were taking
big risks in '66 and '67.
646
00:32:23,033 --> 00:32:25,600
They didn't know
that people would follow them,
647
00:32:25,967 --> 00:32:28,800
who were going with them,
and they calculated,
648
00:32:28,867 --> 00:32:31,033
something like: "We could lose
a big slice of our market,
649
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:32,533
we're being too bold."
650
00:32:57,633 --> 00:32:59,700
Then they decided it should be
651
00:32:59,767 --> 00:33:02,700
what was actually called
a concept album,
652
00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:05,700
because Frank Zappa
had done one called Freak Out,
653
00:33:05,767 --> 00:33:08,400
and McCartney was very keen
in making it so.
654
00:33:08,467 --> 00:33:12,333
But then, as Ringo said
later on, they made some songs
655
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,833
and thought:
"Let's forget about the concept album.
656
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:15,900
We're going to make more songs."
657
00:33:16,567 --> 00:33:20,533
But of course it was created
in a strange way.
658
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,800
It was all the Beatles being
very adventurous
659
00:33:24,867 --> 00:33:26,867
but very sentimental,
at the same time.
660
00:33:26,933 --> 00:33:29,067
There are many different strands
on this album.
661
00:33:29,467 --> 00:33:33,367
And John, as funny as he is,
is the one who brings them all together,
662
00:33:33,433 --> 00:33:35,367
not only with his wonderful...
663
00:33:36,467 --> 00:33:38,100
His masterpiece "A Day in the Life",
664
00:33:38,733 --> 00:33:41,833
but he also adds
small phrases
665
00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:43,967
that seem to be part of
of "A Day in the Life"
666
00:33:44,033 --> 00:33:46,433
and part of Paul's song "Lovely Rita".
667
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:49,533
So it seems
that it's a concept altogether,
668
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,533
although they didn't think
that they were going to make a concept album.
669
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:53,800
- Paul.
- Yes?
670
00:33:53,867 --> 00:33:55,067
- Good evening.
- Hello.
671
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:56,667
- Don Edwards, ITN.
- How are you doing?
672
00:33:56,733 --> 00:33:59,733
Can we talk? If I never
go on tour again, would you be worried?
673
00:34:01,467 --> 00:34:02,333
I don't know.
674
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,933
- I don't think so.
- Wouldn't I?
675
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:09,033
But because the only thing
is that the performance, for us,
676
00:34:09,767 --> 00:34:12,500
plummeted.
677
00:34:12,567 --> 00:34:14,500
We can't evolve
when no one can hear us.
678
00:34:14,567 --> 00:34:16,033
You see? So, for us,
679
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:19,033
acting is difficult. It's always difficult.
680
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:22,067
It means they don't listen,
so you don't want to do it.
681
00:34:22,433 --> 00:34:25,033
Yes, we want to do it,
but if they don't listen to us,
682
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:26,967
and we can't even hear
ourselves,
683
00:34:27,033 --> 00:34:29,933
then we can't improve,
we can't get better.
684
00:34:30,667 --> 00:34:33,633
That's why we're trying to improve
through recording.
685
00:34:33,700 --> 00:34:36,800
It took many months
and a huge amount of money.
686
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:39,533
And again, it was part of...
687
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,333
It wasn't just Sgt. Pepper,
but other good albums of the time
688
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,667
who reversed the market
who always said that...
689
00:34:47,733 --> 00:34:49,733
What mattered was the single,
690
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,800
and then the album profits from the single,
691
00:34:52,867 --> 00:34:55,100
that's why it has the single
and a few other things in it,
692
00:34:55,333 --> 00:34:58,000
usually with the name of the single,
like Please Please Me.
693
00:34:58,067 --> 00:35:00,733
But then the album started to be
694
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,633
the absolute focus on what the bands did
and what pop groups did.
695
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:08,500
They made albums
and then the singles came off the album.
696
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:10,633
- How are you?
- Merry Christmas!
697
00:35:10,867 --> 00:35:12,100
- How are you?
- Fine.
698
00:35:12,333 --> 00:35:13,900
- Can I ask you a few questions?
- Yes.
699
00:35:13,967 --> 00:35:15,633
- I'm going to turn it this way.
- Which way?
700
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:16,833
- Yes, this way.
- Hello, there.
701
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:19,800
- You look very well.
- Yes, I've had a bath.
702
00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:23,700
Is it true that the Beatles
doing less together next year?
703
00:35:25,367 --> 00:35:26,633
Yes, we're not going to...
704
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,633
To do things together,
the four of us,
705
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:32,300
it's going to be the old stuff again.
706
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,000
- You don't want to do that?
- We don't want to do what we did.
707
00:35:36,367 --> 00:35:38,733
The point is,
in relation to the movie,
708
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,767
we couldn't come up with a decent script,
or we're still trying to get one.
709
00:35:42,767 --> 00:35:43,700
If we can't,
710
00:35:43,767 --> 00:35:46,533
we'll probably do
something different next year.
711
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,433
- Alone?
- Yes, but...
712
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:51,900
We won't finish.
We'll get together at the end.
713
00:35:52,533 --> 00:35:54,400
- Thank you very much, Ringo.
- Thank you, Ringo.
714
00:35:54,467 --> 00:35:57,100
- Are you going to work now?
- I'll see what they're doing.
715
00:35:57,567 --> 00:36:00,000
I think it might be time for tea,
with a bit of luck. Goodbye.
716
00:36:00,467 --> 00:36:04,000
Paul had started working
on the idea of the ghost band.
717
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,100
Invent a band,
and they could be the band, but no...
718
00:36:08,333 --> 00:36:09,500
And not the Beatles.
719
00:36:11,333 --> 00:36:12,567
How is it? Can I stop it?
720
00:36:12,633 --> 00:36:13,967
- Well...
- Can I have a word with you?
721
00:36:14,033 --> 00:36:16,100
- Yes, I did.
- I just wanted to ask you
722
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:17,967
if you think that in the new year,
723
00:36:18,033 --> 00:36:20,033
will each go their own way?
724
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:21,900
- No, no.
- No?
725
00:36:21,967 --> 00:36:23,433
No. Definitely not.
726
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:24,600
How about another word?
727
00:36:25,933 --> 00:36:27,500
The words are all yours.
728
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:30,833
They were a little tired
of being the Beatles,
729
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:32,000
or rather,
they weren't tired
730
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,400
of existing as the Beatles,
731
00:36:34,467 --> 00:36:37,700
but the name, "The Beatles",
began to overwhelm them a little,
732
00:36:37,767 --> 00:36:40,667
and had the idea
to create an alter ego,
733
00:36:40,733 --> 00:36:42,767
which would be called Sgt. Pepper,
734
00:36:42,833 --> 00:36:45,967
and was in line with the great
of military tunics.
735
00:36:46,033 --> 00:36:48,000
It was in the mid-60s.
736
00:36:48,433 --> 00:36:49,733
But if you look,
737
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:54,000
there's a photo of Paul's father,
Jim McCartney,
738
00:36:54,067 --> 00:36:57,633
who had a small dance band,
in the 1920s and 1930s in Liverpool.
739
00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:01,300
He played piano by ear
in the Jim Mac Jazz Band.
740
00:37:01,367 --> 00:37:04,100
There's a photo of them,
at the end of the 20s,
741
00:37:04,467 --> 00:37:07,033
and around a drum,
742
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,533
seemed like the concept of Sgt. Pepper,
743
00:37:11,433 --> 00:37:12,300
without marijuana.
744
00:37:13,567 --> 00:37:19,667
They became the forerunners of what became
became almost a rock 'n' roll joke.
745
00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:22,733
How much time you can spend in the studio,
on a project,
746
00:37:22,933 --> 00:37:24,433
and how much will it cost?
747
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:27,833
The Beatles were in the studio
making Sgt. Pepper,
748
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,833
to what everyone would say:
"That must have been exciting."
749
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,300
It was the most boring time
of their lives.
750
00:37:38,967 --> 00:37:43,900
We were used to recording albums
in two, three days, maybe a week.
751
00:37:44,633 --> 00:37:46,533
Revolver took a few weeks,
752
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,933
but Sgt. Pepper dragged on,
753
00:37:50,533 --> 00:37:52,300
because they hadn't written it together.
754
00:37:53,333 --> 00:37:57,067
The only one who had prepared
to go to the studio was Paul.
755
00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:00,567
When they went to the studio,
women weren't allowed in,
756
00:38:00,633 --> 00:38:02,067
or their wives, nothing.
757
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:03,867
And they...
758
00:38:03,933 --> 00:38:07,067
Even during tours,
they were always
759
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:08,600
only the boys.
760
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:12,967
And I think it was only Chris O'Dell
who had the audacity to say it:
761
00:38:13,033 --> 00:38:14,667
"Can I come to a session?"
762
00:38:14,933 --> 00:38:16,700
Because none of us would dream
763
00:38:16,767 --> 00:38:19,600
thinking that we could
watch them record.
764
00:38:19,667 --> 00:38:23,400
Everyone wonders why the groups
have more and more time to record.
765
00:38:23,467 --> 00:38:25,533
Firstly, it's not the publisher's money.
766
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,067
It's an advance on the rights
the group, the companies don't care.
767
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:32,300
At first, the companies worry.
"We're giving them time in the studio.
768
00:38:32,367 --> 00:38:34,500
If they don't succeed,
we'll be the ones to pay."
769
00:38:34,567 --> 00:38:37,467
Once the group is successful,
you can give it as much time as you like.
770
00:38:37,533 --> 00:38:39,567
They're the ones paying.
It's coming out of their rights.
771
00:38:39,633 --> 00:38:41,533
This is not well explained to the groups,
772
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,000
so the groups think they are
using the publisher's money.
773
00:38:44,067 --> 00:38:47,033
And by now,
you already have some money to spare.
774
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,767
to buy drugs,
smoke and do things in the studio
775
00:38:49,833 --> 00:38:54,467
that are not compatible with speed
and recordings take longer and longer.
776
00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:56,000
Paul was in charge.
777
00:38:56,633 --> 00:38:59,900
Obviously, George and John were
responsible when it was their music,
778
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,667
that they had composed,
but Paul was usually the boss.
779
00:39:04,833 --> 00:39:07,333
And he'd say: "Just the same."
And they did
780
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,967
dozens and dozens of takes
of the same thing,
781
00:39:10,033 --> 00:39:12,767
and I thought:
"It was brilliant the first time.
782
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:15,967
I wish they'd pack up
and go home, I'm exhausted."
783
00:39:16,033 --> 00:39:18,067
Even trained engineers
784
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:21,033
were amazed at what the Beatles
were asking them to do.
785
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:22,867
No one had ever done that.
786
00:39:25,033 --> 00:39:28,567
That way,
Abbey Road was a blessing for them.
787
00:39:28,633 --> 00:39:32,333
They were full of enthusiasm
and ideas,
788
00:39:32,733 --> 00:39:35,700
and often these are
the best periods of our lives,
789
00:39:35,767 --> 00:39:38,833
in their 20s,
and they could do what they wanted.
790
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:42,333
They had the strength to go to Abbey Road
and say: "We want to say things"
791
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,733
which is fantastic,
because when they went there the first time,
792
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,467
entered through the side door.
Now they're at the front door.
793
00:39:47,533 --> 00:39:49,700
"Whatever you want to do,
Paul, we're with you."
794
00:39:49,767 --> 00:39:53,100
The point is that the Beatles prepared
many things that we take for granted,
795
00:39:53,333 --> 00:39:55,100
like spending three months in the studio.
796
00:39:55,333 --> 00:39:58,667
We don't even think about it when U2 takes
a year or two to make an album.
797
00:39:58,733 --> 00:40:00,467
The Beatles were the first to do so.
798
00:40:00,533 --> 00:40:03,700
The Beatles were the first to make
albums like this,
799
00:40:03,767 --> 00:40:07,100
who were trying to do much more
than pop albums,
800
00:40:07,333 --> 00:40:10,533
that weren't just a soundtrack
to dance to or play in the car.
801
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:14,067
Personally,
I think John is a genius.
802
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:16,367
I don't think there's any doubt about that.
803
00:40:16,433 --> 00:40:17,300
ON THE ROAD TO GREECE, JULY 1967
804
00:40:17,367 --> 00:40:19,667
And how many geniuses would
in a group of four?
805
00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:26,000
But without Paul, I don't think John
would have done what he did in his life.
806
00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:28,733
As I said,
I call them the dream team.
807
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:31,533
Paul had lost his mother
when he was fourteen,
808
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,833
spent a lot of time with us,
in our house.
809
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:35,533
My mother, ironically, said:
810
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,733
"That poor boy, he's lost his mother."
811
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,900
And, of course, when our mother died,
812
00:40:43,533 --> 00:40:48,967
that was a connection,
a real connection, between them,
813
00:40:49,433 --> 00:40:53,433
and I think that relationship was
the basis of the Beatles.
814
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:56,700
John had a reputation.
815
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:01,767
People were attracted to him,
because of his sharp wit,
816
00:41:01,833 --> 00:41:04,967
and for being a bit of a rebel,
817
00:41:05,033 --> 00:41:07,533
who didn't seem to
concerned about anything.
818
00:41:08,367 --> 00:41:11,633
Paul was very polite,
819
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:14,833
therefore, people
are always drawn to the rebel,
820
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,800
as I was when I first met him.
That's what attracted me to him.
821
00:41:18,867 --> 00:41:21,867
Paul was also exploring
the avant-garde. It was very important.
822
00:41:21,933 --> 00:41:25,433
No idea was too crazy
823
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:27,933
for Paul to explore.
I'd been reading a lot,
824
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:29,467
I used to go to art exhibitions,
825
00:41:29,533 --> 00:41:32,000
I listened to avant-garde composers,
I listened to jazz,
826
00:41:32,433 --> 00:41:36,567
and developed a lot that way,
in a meaningful way.
827
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,667
John...
828
00:41:38,833 --> 00:41:41,367
John read a lot
and composed a lot,
829
00:41:41,433 --> 00:41:44,033
but mostly at home,
because I had family commitments.
830
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:46,833
Paul was ahead of him in that sense:
"Let's explore London,
831
00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:49,533
the avant-garde, let's get
in the underground movement.
832
00:41:49,867 --> 00:41:50,733
John was...
833
00:41:50,967 --> 00:41:52,600
He liked it, but he didn't have...
834
00:41:52,667 --> 00:41:56,467
I wasn't bold enough at the time
to pursue him personally.
835
00:41:56,533 --> 00:41:58,800
But in November,
he meets Yoko Ono,
836
00:41:58,867 --> 00:42:01,400
at the pre-opening of Galeria Indica,
with Yoko's work.
837
00:42:01,467 --> 00:42:02,767
LONDON, AUGUST 1966
838
00:42:02,833 --> 00:42:05,067
And we all know where that led.
839
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:06,467
One of the great myths,
840
00:42:06,533 --> 00:42:08,767
that still bothers Paul McCartney
to this day,
841
00:42:08,833 --> 00:42:10,800
because it still tends to survive,
842
00:42:10,967 --> 00:42:13,967
John was the great experimenter,
towards the avant-garde.
843
00:42:14,033 --> 00:42:18,567
Paul was sweeter,
safe and smiling, without taking risks.
844
00:42:19,567 --> 00:42:20,667
That's not true.
845
00:42:21,333 --> 00:42:23,367
As Tony Bramwell said,
846
00:42:23,433 --> 00:42:27,467
John was a lazy man,
who stayed at home in the suburbs.
847
00:42:27,867 --> 00:42:29,533
Paul lived in the middle of London.
848
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,367
Paul always had
that desire to improve himself.
849
00:42:32,433 --> 00:42:36,300
He used to buy books on modern art when
he was at school, 12 or 13 years old,
850
00:42:36,367 --> 00:42:39,733
and was closely linked
to the avant-garde movement in London,
851
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,633
with very difficult music,
brave, very contemporary,
852
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:47,100
that had nothing to do
with pop music. People like John Cage,
853
00:42:47,333 --> 00:42:49,300
Luciano Berio, people like that.
854
00:42:49,367 --> 00:42:50,567
He knew all this.
855
00:42:50,633 --> 00:42:52,000
Magnetic tape cycles, all of it.
856
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,367
Paul was the leader.
857
00:42:53,433 --> 00:42:55,833
There was a bookshop
and gallery called Indica,
858
00:42:55,900 --> 00:43:00,033
and Paul had an open order,
in that store for something new
859
00:43:00,467 --> 00:43:02,067
and then told John.
860
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:04,500
So it was Paul
who told John:
861
00:43:04,567 --> 00:43:08,000
"Relax, turn off your mind
and let yourself go with the flow."
862
00:43:08,067 --> 00:43:12,367
John read the book,
then wrote "Tomorrow Never Knows"
863
00:43:12,433 --> 00:43:14,667
and John became
the avant-garde element.
864
00:43:15,033 --> 00:43:18,467
They were more involved
in modern art,
865
00:43:18,967 --> 00:43:24,433
modern classical music and
fashion designers than they gave them credit for.
866
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:26,500
Don't forget that you went to
very selective schools.
867
00:43:27,333 --> 00:43:31,900
And they continued, in John's case,
to an art school.
868
00:43:32,567 --> 00:43:36,600
They were, unlike
some rock 'n' roll stars...
869
00:43:36,667 --> 00:43:38,633
I have to choose
the names carefully.
870
00:43:38,833 --> 00:43:42,533
... who had left school at 15
and could barely read and write.
871
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,433
The Beatles were - apart from Ringo,
who had never been to school...
872
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:50,100
The Beatles were boys from good schools
who had read Shakespeare at school,
873
00:43:50,333 --> 00:43:53,367
who had read novels and poetry.
874
00:43:54,067 --> 00:43:58,633
John and George
were living in the countryside
875
00:43:59,467 --> 00:44:01,867
and Paul lived in the middle of London.
876
00:44:03,567 --> 00:44:06,567
They no longer spent
much time together.
877
00:44:06,767 --> 00:44:11,400
Until 1966,
they always walked together.
878
00:44:11,467 --> 00:44:14,433
They were a kind of
monster with four heads.
879
00:44:16,333 --> 00:44:17,933
You couldn't see one without the others.
880
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,533
Paul was also the most musical,
by far,
881
00:44:20,733 --> 00:44:21,900
and taught John a lot.
882
00:44:22,767 --> 00:44:25,967
So it was much more subtle.
883
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,400
The idea that Paul
was the right guy,
884
00:44:30,667 --> 00:44:32,433
and dealt with public relations,
885
00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:33,933
well, that part was true,
it really was him,
886
00:44:34,567 --> 00:44:37,533
but he was also
extremely gifted.
887
00:44:38,333 --> 00:44:41,500
There had been many rumors
888
00:44:42,667 --> 00:44:45,800
of a different kind of music,
that came from the past,
889
00:44:45,867 --> 00:44:47,067
that came out of Revolver.
890
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:49,700
There was a lot of expectation
for Rubber Soul and Revolver,
891
00:44:49,767 --> 00:44:53,033
but I don't remember as much anticipation
as there was for Sgt. Pepper.
892
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:56,433
This was partly due to
the time they spent in the studio
893
00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:59,433
and this was constantly mentioned
in the news,
894
00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:02,100
the money they were spending,
the time they were taking.
895
00:45:02,333 --> 00:45:06,367
There were four geniuses there
with George Martin.
896
00:45:06,433 --> 00:45:09,833
If you spend so much time on something,
it has to be incredible,
897
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:11,900
because it can't be
anything less.
898
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,333
SGT PEPPER EXHIBITION
THE HISTORY OF THE BEATLES
899
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,500
We have to go back
to the time when it was launched.
900
00:45:22,333 --> 00:45:24,900
People don't realize
the difficulties.
901
00:45:24,967 --> 00:45:28,567
It was made on a four-channel machine.
902
00:45:28,633 --> 00:45:31,533
George Martin said it was
very difficult to work with.
903
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,400
Nowadays, we see what they can do
in the studios, and with the rest,
904
00:45:35,467 --> 00:45:40,867
however, this album, made on a
four-channel machine, is magical.
905
00:45:40,933 --> 00:45:44,333
I remember when they decided to
to put the words on the cover because,
906
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,333
as you know, on all the albums
that came out before,
907
00:45:48,533 --> 00:45:50,800
we discussed words.
908
00:45:51,333 --> 00:45:52,800
We weren't sure...
909
00:45:53,433 --> 00:45:56,500
One of the joys of the Beatles
is that they still sang
910
00:45:56,933 --> 00:45:58,100
with a Liverpool accent.
911
00:45:58,333 --> 00:46:00,033
A great story for me was...
912
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,500
When I was in Stafford Street...
913
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:06,067
George came in one day and said:
914
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:09,500
"I have these letters,
can you machine them?
915
00:46:09,567 --> 00:46:11,333
Because they're hard to read."
916
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,033
He said:
"I'll sit next to you,
917
00:46:14,733 --> 00:46:17,667
I'll read them to you
and you can write them down."
918
00:46:18,367 --> 00:46:20,467
That's what I did,
919
00:46:20,933 --> 00:46:24,700
and whenever he finished a song,
he would play it for me
920
00:46:25,367 --> 00:46:26,700
and I'd throw it in the trash.
921
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,633
All the lyrics from Sgt. Pepper
have gone to waste.
922
00:46:33,733 --> 00:46:34,867
If only I'd known...
923
00:46:35,567 --> 00:46:37,500
EMI was very shocked
924
00:46:37,567 --> 00:46:42,433
with what they had to spend
on the album cover,
925
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:46,900
and also because they want
the letters completely,
926
00:46:47,067 --> 00:46:50,333
of course, the Beatles were making
their own bed,
927
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,867
because once people knew
the lyrics, it would be crazy
928
00:46:53,933 --> 00:46:57,867
interpreting letters
929
00:46:57,933 --> 00:47:01,767
and assigning meanings that,
probably weren't there.
930
00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:05,967
They had a design made
to a group called The Fool,
931
00:47:06,033 --> 00:47:07,900
it was a psychedelic design
932
00:47:08,467 --> 00:47:11,900
and Robert Fraser,
who was hired to advise them,
933
00:47:11,967 --> 00:47:13,900
owned a gallery and said:
934
00:47:13,967 --> 00:47:17,067
"That won't do,
it'll be out of date soon."
935
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:22,833
So they decided to go with a concept
that, Paul said:
936
00:47:23,433 --> 00:47:29,300
"We're going to write a list of all
our heroes and that will be the cover,
937
00:47:29,367 --> 00:47:32,833
all the heroes and people
we admire will be on this album."
938
00:47:33,567 --> 00:47:37,300
Brian Epstein was
in New York at the time,
939
00:47:37,533 --> 00:47:39,333
and was horrified when he found out.
940
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,100
He thought: "So many people.
It's the Beatles that matter."
941
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:45,467
He decided to return to London,
942
00:47:45,533 --> 00:47:48,333
but he had a vision
that he would die in a plane crash,
943
00:47:48,633 --> 00:47:52,533
so he left a message
for Nat Weiss' lawyer:
944
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:57,733
"Brown paper covers
for the Sgt. Pepper album."
945
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,067
People expected
to be at the forefront of everything.
946
00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:03,367
People thought:
"No. The Beatles do this first
947
00:48:03,433 --> 00:48:04,833
and then everyone follows."
948
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,833
Then, of course,
came the era of military tunics,
949
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:12,833
that Sgt. Pepper hit the nail on the head.
Then there was the hippie era.
950
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:15,600
Of course, you can understand
that John Lennon, typically,
951
00:48:15,667 --> 00:48:17,767
wanted Jesus Christ, Hitler.
952
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:21,900
Hitler is in the picture,
but he's hiding behind something.
953
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,367
And when Sir Joseph Lockwood,
of EMI, came in
954
00:48:26,433 --> 00:48:29,333
and saw the image of Gandhi, he was livid.
955
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,533
"We can't do that.
We sell a lot in India."
956
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,633
It has been removed.
957
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:34,067
But...
958
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:38,500
And Peter Blake got
nine wax figures
959
00:48:38,567 --> 00:48:41,100
from Madame Tussaud's,
960
00:48:41,333 --> 00:48:43,333
four of the Beatles
and others
961
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,700
such as Sonny Liston and Diana Dors,
who also appear.
962
00:48:45,767 --> 00:48:47,767
At first he said to them:
963
00:48:47,833 --> 00:48:51,667
"You have all your heroes,
movie stars and musicians.
964
00:48:52,333 --> 00:48:53,833
Why don't they have a footballer?"
965
00:48:53,900 --> 00:48:56,933
And the answer was that none of the four
was interested in soccer,
966
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,767
even though they grew up in Liverpool.
967
00:48:58,933 --> 00:49:02,333
As a teenager,
they didn't go to soccer matches.
968
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,633
They weren't fans, really,
969
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:07,767
because they were so busy playing
guitar, playing in The Quarrymen.
970
00:49:08,467 --> 00:49:11,667
I saw that Paul, later on,
said he came from an Everton family,
971
00:49:11,967 --> 00:49:15,000
but he never mentioned it at the time,
when you were with him,
972
00:49:15,433 --> 00:49:18,300
and your father never mentioned it.
973
00:49:19,033 --> 00:49:21,833
So they said
"Yes, that's a good idea."
974
00:49:22,367 --> 00:49:24,867
and put a footballer
in the whole lineup:
975
00:49:25,767 --> 00:49:26,933
Albert Stubbins.
976
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,767
And John chose Albert Stubbins
because the name amused him.
977
00:49:30,833 --> 00:49:32,467
If it had been any other year,
978
00:49:32,533 --> 00:49:34,667
Ravi Shankar would be there
and the Maharishi.
979
00:49:34,733 --> 00:49:37,033
Many of them were Americans,
so we had...
980
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:41,333
Back then,
we didn't have emails.
981
00:49:41,967 --> 00:49:44,667
We had to write to them,
ask their permission,
982
00:49:44,733 --> 00:49:46,367
and if they were dead,
983
00:49:46,433 --> 00:49:49,667
we needed permission from the families.
984
00:49:50,067 --> 00:49:52,433
So I had a file this thick
985
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:57,800
with all the correspondence
from Sgt. Pepper.
986
00:49:58,667 --> 00:49:59,567
Chertsey.
987
00:49:59,633 --> 00:50:01,900
Ready to set off for Weybridge,
a gypsy-style caravan.
988
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:05,400
A present for a four-year-old boy
who probably has everything.
989
00:50:05,833 --> 00:50:08,300
His name: Julian Lennon,
son of John Lennon.
990
00:50:08,367 --> 00:50:09,467
Who else but the Beatle?
991
00:50:10,467 --> 00:50:13,900
It's a renovated carriage, with cheerful
about 4,000 pounds,
992
00:50:13,967 --> 00:50:15,800
a big toy
for a small child.
993
00:50:16,367 --> 00:50:17,867
He even needed a police escort,
994
00:50:18,067 --> 00:50:21,667
but not all parents spend
this kind of money on their children.
995
00:50:21,967 --> 00:50:25,400
This could be an occasion
when money can buy love.
996
00:50:25,933 --> 00:50:28,967
If I ever decide to leave home,
and it doesn't seem likely,
997
00:50:29,367 --> 00:50:31,700
will be the
on the road.
998
00:50:34,467 --> 00:50:37,367
I visited a friend,
near King's Road,
999
00:50:37,433 --> 00:50:40,367
and there were quite a few of us,
sitting around the table,
1000
00:50:40,433 --> 00:50:44,100
listening to great music,
smoking weed
1001
00:50:44,333 --> 00:50:46,500
and nobody said much.
1002
00:50:46,567 --> 00:50:49,733
I remember there were
some books on the table.
1003
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,567
They were always spiritual books
very interesting.
1004
00:50:52,633 --> 00:50:56,733
I remember picking up one called
Karma and Rebirth,
1005
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,033
from someone called
Christmans Humphreys.
1006
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:02,733
I was leafing through the book
and I saw a sentence that said:
1007
00:51:03,033 --> 00:51:05,700
"Life goes on inside you
and without you."
1008
00:51:06,667 --> 00:51:08,733
And I thought:
"This is very special."
1009
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,700
I immediately called
Patti and George,
1010
00:51:10,767 --> 00:51:13,667
George answered and I said:
"Listen to this:
1011
00:51:13,733 --> 00:51:16,033
'Life goes on inside you
and without you.'"
1012
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:17,900
He loved it and, of course,
1013
00:51:17,967 --> 00:51:20,033
that became the song
"Within You Without You.
1014
00:51:20,567 --> 00:51:23,800
George Martin told me, years later,
after George Harrison died:
1015
00:51:23,967 --> 00:51:26,100
"The reason for being
the first song
1016
00:51:26,333 --> 00:51:28,367
on the second side of Sgt. Pepper
1017
00:51:28,433 --> 00:51:33,800
is so that people can skip
to the second track without hearing it."
1018
00:51:34,467 --> 00:51:35,800
And I never thought it would work.
1019
00:51:36,433 --> 00:51:40,933
The presence of the sitar in music,
in rock or psychedelic music,
1020
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,733
was something very important
on the Sgt. Pepper album.
1021
00:51:45,533 --> 00:51:46,900
No one had...
1022
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:49,533
We had seen Elvis
and Little Richard,
1023
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,367
but we wouldn't imagine someone
using a sitar
1024
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,567
in a popular band,
at that time.
1025
00:51:55,633 --> 00:51:58,533
Paul said, quite rightly,
that when he was a child,
1026
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,100
album covers
were very important,
1027
00:52:01,333 --> 00:52:04,900
the colors of the brands
and even the smell of the album.
1028
00:52:04,967 --> 00:52:08,333
He was very aware
of the visual and tactile aspects
1029
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,600
of an album and all the
details that, as children, we absorb,
1030
00:52:11,667 --> 00:52:14,433
even the
of Garrod and Lofthouse,
1031
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:16,367
the printer, at the bottom.
1032
00:52:16,433 --> 00:52:18,433
He wanted it to be
full of good things,
1033
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:21,900
with good illustrations
and details inside.
1034
00:52:21,967 --> 00:52:24,100
Fool had done...
1035
00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:27,033
A splash of color
on the inside of the cover.
1036
00:52:27,633 --> 00:52:30,033
It did what it said on the packaging.
It was stunning.
1037
00:52:30,967 --> 00:52:33,767
When we picked them up, they were dressed
in Sgt. Pepper gear,
1038
00:52:34,667 --> 00:52:36,867
then we pull back the cover
and think:
1039
00:52:36,933 --> 00:52:39,567
"We can cut out Pepper's moustache."
1040
00:52:39,933 --> 00:52:43,367
There was Sgt. Pepper.
We can cut it out and put it up.
1041
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:44,733
I think the dilemma was:
1042
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,767
"Do I leave it as it is,
so as not to ruin it?"
1043
00:52:47,833 --> 00:52:50,567
That's what I did, because I thought
I wouldn't last long
1044
00:52:50,633 --> 00:52:52,967
wearing a cardboard moustache.
1045
00:52:53,733 --> 00:52:55,433
Especially at the age of ten.
1046
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,933
I still have it as it was,
flattened on the spot.
1047
00:53:00,433 --> 00:53:05,067
But that was the kind of thing
that wrapped us in the cape.
1048
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:06,967
It was all Paul's idea.
1049
00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:10,467
I saw sketches of what I was doing.
I heard the discussions.
1050
00:53:10,533 --> 00:53:12,600
I've heard discussions about the title.
1051
00:53:12,667 --> 00:53:14,800
I heard how they were going to fix it.
1052
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,600
And I passed by one day and he said:
"Let's do the photography tonight."
1053
00:53:18,733 --> 00:53:21,467
So, I entered your Mini Minor
1054
00:53:21,667 --> 00:53:26,700
and we went to Michael Cooper's studio
in Flood Street.
1055
00:53:27,467 --> 00:53:30,933
As we were leaving Paul's house,
which he still owns, around the corner,
1056
00:53:31,633 --> 00:53:34,633
he said: "We'll need things
to decorate the front."
1057
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:38,967
They had seen drawings and were still
experimenting and changing their minds.
1058
00:53:39,033 --> 00:53:42,067
I had seen suits arriving at the house.
They tried them on and said:
1059
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:44,100
"No, it's not that.
I want a different one."
1060
00:53:44,567 --> 00:53:49,433
Then he said: "Choose something
to put in front of the picture."
1061
00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:53,400
I looked around
and from his shelf I took a statue.
1062
00:53:53,467 --> 00:53:55,533
I think, actually,
I didn't know what it was.
1063
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:56,667
It was like this:
1064
00:53:57,967 --> 00:54:02,000
Like a spaceship, which they had
a few years earlier.
1065
00:54:02,067 --> 00:54:05,333
John had offered his
to a fan who came to his door,
1066
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,367
gave it to him.
1067
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,667
So I took it down from the fireplace,
next to her Magritte.
1068
00:54:09,733 --> 00:54:10,767
He loved Magritte
1069
00:54:10,833 --> 00:54:14,100
and had bought Magritte's portrait
with the apple,
1070
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,533
which was used
by the Apple company.
1071
00:54:16,933 --> 00:54:19,600
And Linda bought it too
1072
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:23,867
the easel and the pallet
Magritte's original palette,
1073
00:54:24,333 --> 00:54:26,967
and he wanted to include Magritte,
but no, the old one...
1074
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,900
Robert Fraser's people,
for whom he was an agent.
1075
00:54:33,067 --> 00:54:36,067
For me,
that was a bit of a disaster.
1076
00:54:36,433 --> 00:54:40,000
It could have been a wonderful concept,
1077
00:54:40,467 --> 00:54:43,300
all their heroes
and all the people who influenced them,
1078
00:54:43,367 --> 00:54:46,067
which would have given us a
privileged view of the Beatles,
1079
00:54:46,467 --> 00:54:50,833
was rejected, so don't think
that this is the genuine cover,
1080
00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:54,000
authentic Sgt. Pepper,
because it's not.
1081
00:54:54,467 --> 00:54:56,900
It was a kind of deductive logic,
of thinking:
1082
00:54:57,833 --> 00:54:59,533
"Who did they leave out?
1083
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:00,567
Why all these?"
1084
00:55:00,633 --> 00:55:02,700
But they were all people of the time,
1085
00:55:02,767 --> 00:55:04,000
all the big ones.
1086
00:55:05,567 --> 00:55:08,033
We didn't know if they were raising them
1087
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:10,367
or saying:
"These are our heroes."
1088
00:55:10,667 --> 00:55:15,633
I wasn't sure, but
for me, there was a lot of irony.
1089
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:16,567
I thought:
1090
00:55:16,833 --> 00:55:19,333
"You know what?
They're making fun of it."
1091
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,767
They put all those people
more than themselves,
1092
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,467
they're putting them in there:
"These are our friends."
1093
00:55:25,533 --> 00:55:28,667
And that lovely detail:
"Welcome to the Rolling Stones."
1094
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,100
It was incredibly expensive
1095
00:55:31,333 --> 00:55:33,333
and EMI thought they were crazy.
1096
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,567
Why would they want to do all this
on a pop album
1097
00:55:36,633 --> 00:55:39,433
that will be replaced
within six months?
1098
00:55:39,633 --> 00:55:41,867
So...
They didn't understand.
1099
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,667
The Beatles had enormous ambition.
1100
00:55:45,067 --> 00:55:49,567
Huge ambition, talent and ego.
1101
00:55:49,633 --> 00:55:52,100
"We're going to do something special.
This is going to be really good."
1102
00:55:52,333 --> 00:55:57,367
These are almost the medals
and Pete Best's father
1103
00:55:57,767 --> 00:56:01,033
was a boxing promoter in Liverpool,
at the Liverpool Stadium,
1104
00:56:01,567 --> 00:56:02,933
and had...
1105
00:56:03,867 --> 00:56:08,433
A kind of cup
that was awarded to him in Liverpool,
1106
00:56:08,867 --> 00:56:13,067
that Neil Aspinall brought
to be used on the cover.
1107
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:15,533
My mother's family,
even though they're English,
1108
00:56:16,533 --> 00:56:20,100
was born during British rule
in India, was a military family.
1109
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:23,933
Her father, my grandfather,
1110
00:56:24,867 --> 00:56:28,033
was a major in the Lancers.
1111
00:56:28,667 --> 00:56:32,633
And she was very proud of the fact
her father had several medals.
1112
00:56:33,433 --> 00:56:36,333
I think on several occasions,
while I was regaling them,
1113
00:56:36,633 --> 00:56:39,433
she showed these medals
to the four of them.
1114
00:56:39,867 --> 00:56:41,800
Brian stopped by the house,
obviously in 1967,
1115
00:56:41,867 --> 00:56:44,600
when they were assimilating everything
for Sgt. Pepper.
1116
00:56:44,767 --> 00:56:48,367
John remembered the medals
1117
00:56:48,867 --> 00:56:51,433
and said: "I think they would be
perfect for Sgt. Pepper.
1118
00:56:51,867 --> 00:56:55,033
Can you ask Mona
if I can borrow them?"
1119
00:56:55,867 --> 00:56:59,433
She said to Neil:
"Take them with my blessing.
1120
00:56:59,967 --> 00:57:02,367
But tell John I want them back."
1121
00:57:03,467 --> 00:57:05,100
So Neil took them to London.
1122
00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:08,367
At the time of the decision,
1123
00:57:08,433 --> 00:57:10,500
looking at the medals
and the other pieces,
1124
00:57:10,567 --> 00:57:12,967
John decided that the medals
he would wear
1125
00:57:13,033 --> 00:57:14,867
would be part of that collection,
1126
00:57:14,933 --> 00:57:17,900
so we can see them
in Sgt. Peps.
1127
00:57:20,033 --> 00:57:23,367
The beauty is that he remained
true to his word,
1128
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:29,833
because he sent the medals
back to Mona via Neil.
1129
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:34,700
And that's how the family
got involved in Sgt. Pepper.
1130
00:57:34,767 --> 00:57:38,333
The album became
the best-selling album in the world
1131
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,333
e...
1132
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:42,967
They are there.
1133
00:57:43,667 --> 00:57:46,600
But for many years,
nobody knew.
1134
00:57:46,967 --> 00:57:49,033
Chas and Jimi were
good friends of mine
1135
00:57:49,567 --> 00:57:53,067
and I had an acetate of Sgt. Pepper.
1136
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,667
I gave it to Chas
and he played it for Jimi,
1137
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,533
Jimi immediately got attached,
1138
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,867
rehearsed and composed it.
1139
00:58:04,633 --> 00:58:06,733
I heard him play it at the Saville Theatre,
1140
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,633
on the Sunday after the premiere of Pepper,
1141
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:13,333
he touched it.
1142
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,667
McCartney stopped by and loved it.
1143
00:58:16,033 --> 00:58:17,833
He felt very complimented,
1144
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:21,833
because she was a rock star
very, very tough,
1145
00:58:21,900 --> 00:58:25,333
playing his material.
He was a composer.
1146
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,667
He loved it when other people
played his songs.
1147
00:58:27,933 --> 00:58:30,700
When Sgt. Pepper came out,
on June 1st, 1967,
1148
00:58:30,767 --> 00:58:33,667
was announced for so long
that we knew it was coming.
1149
00:58:33,733 --> 00:58:35,733
The anticipation was enormous,
1150
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,967
we read that NME, Melody Maker,
were waiting for this.
1151
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,633
Wherever we went
on King's Road, anywhere,
1152
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:46,300
was ringing, in all the boutiques,
all the stores.
1153
00:58:46,633 --> 00:58:47,867
It was an event.
1154
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:52,100
And the album, when I saw the cover,
the cover itself was an event.
1155
00:58:52,333 --> 00:58:54,733
It was as if they were saying:
"We're not joking.
1156
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,600
This is special."
1157
00:58:56,667 --> 00:58:58,000
It was a huge presentation.
1158
00:58:58,067 --> 00:59:03,000
When we were making
the movie for "Strawberry Fields",
1159
00:59:03,667 --> 00:59:06,367
was filmed in Sevenoaks, Kent,
1160
00:59:06,433 --> 00:59:10,367
and there was a small hotel there
called Bright's Hotel
1161
00:59:10,433 --> 00:59:12,467
and next door was
an antique shop.
1162
00:59:13,067 --> 00:59:15,933
The poster was there, on the wall,
1163
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,800
and he bought it for half a crown,
or a pound, something like that.
1164
00:59:22,067 --> 00:59:23,533
Basically, it said:
1165
00:59:24,633 --> 00:59:27,700
"For the benefit of Mr. Kite",
and listed all the numbers
1166
00:59:27,767 --> 00:59:30,067
Pablo Fanque's fair,
and all that stuff.
1167
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:32,900
The dancing horse.
1168
00:59:34,067 --> 00:59:38,600
He framed it and put it
in his office in Weybridge,
1169
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:41,367
and wrote the music...
1170
00:59:41,433 --> 00:59:42,567
THE BIGGEST NIGHT OF THE SEASON!
1171
00:59:42,633 --> 00:59:43,833
FOR CHARITY
MR. KITE
1172
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:45,833
... directly from the poster.
1173
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:48,733
He turned it into poetry.
1174
00:59:49,633 --> 00:59:55,700
And then George Martin added
the wonderful fairground effects,
1175
00:59:55,767 --> 00:59:57,667
a masterpiece.
1176
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,533
Because he received
inspiration in other ways.
1177
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,733
On the album Sgt. Pepper,
1178
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,100
and also the Daily Mail article
about his friend, Tara Browne,
1179
01:00:06,333 --> 01:00:07,967
who died in a car accident.
1180
01:00:08,033 --> 01:00:11,300
And the same happened to Paul,
taking the idea from the Daily Mail
1181
01:00:11,367 --> 01:00:13,500
for "She's Leaving Home"
about Melanie Coe...
1182
01:00:13,567 --> 01:00:14,767
MISSING...
THE YOUNG WOMAN WHO 'HAS IT ALL'
1183
01:00:14,833 --> 01:00:16,500
... who ran away with her man.
1184
01:00:16,567 --> 01:00:18,600
Paul added that it was
with a man in the car business.
1185
01:00:18,667 --> 01:00:21,333
He invented it and everyone thinks
it was Terry Doran,
1186
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:22,500
but Paul says no.
1187
01:00:22,567 --> 01:00:25,933
Terry Doran was their friend
who ran the car business.
1188
01:00:26,633 --> 01:00:27,533
Chertsey.
1189
01:00:29,433 --> 01:00:32,633
It was one of the wheels on John Lennon's Rolls.
It's superb.
1190
01:00:32,700 --> 01:00:34,700
If you're over 80,
it means you're fabulous.
1191
01:00:35,033 --> 01:00:39,933
A 1965 Phantom weighing 6000 pounds,
as wonderful on the inside as it is on the outside.
1192
01:00:40,467 --> 01:00:41,700
Or maybe not so much,
1193
01:00:42,300 --> 01:00:44,700
now that the supercar has been
tremendously improved.
1194
01:00:44,767 --> 01:00:46,667
Not even a Beatle could ask for more.
1195
01:00:48,933 --> 01:00:50,967
When Paul went public
about LSD,
1196
01:00:51,033 --> 01:00:54,333
talking to a reporter
from LIFE magazine,
1197
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:55,467
that was used.
1198
01:00:55,533 --> 01:00:58,400
I certainly remember reading it
on the cover of the Daily Mirror and,
1199
01:00:58,467 --> 01:01:03,733
of course, the news agencies
came on board.
1200
01:01:04,067 --> 01:01:06,033
I think John was
a bit sulky
1201
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:08,933
because he and George were
the first to take LSD
1202
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,300
and Paul,
who tried it relatively late,
1203
01:01:11,367 --> 01:01:13,533
was the first to say:
"I took LSD."
1204
01:01:14,100 --> 01:01:16,467
They thought it was
a bit unfair to them,
1205
01:01:16,533 --> 01:01:18,733
because they had been
pioneers in this area.
1206
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,467
Paul, how many times have you taken LSD?
1207
01:01:21,533 --> 01:01:22,933
TELEVISION NEWS INTERVIEW
JUNE 1967
1208
01:01:23,667 --> 01:01:24,767
About four times.
1209
01:01:25,700 --> 01:01:27,000
And where did you get it?
1210
01:01:27,733 --> 01:01:30,467
If I told you where I got it,
1211
01:01:30,533 --> 01:01:32,967
as it is illegal,
it would be stupid to say that.
1212
01:01:33,100 --> 01:01:34,100
I'd rather not say.
1213
01:01:34,333 --> 01:01:37,900
Don't you think it's a question
you should keep private?
1214
01:01:38,733 --> 01:01:42,433
The point is that a journalist
asked me a question,
1215
01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:48,000
so the decision was between
telling a lie or...
1216
01:01:49,367 --> 01:01:50,667
Tell him the truth.
1217
01:01:51,467 --> 01:01:52,900
I decided to tell him the truth,
1218
01:01:54,633 --> 01:01:57,667
but I didn't want to say anything,
1219
01:01:57,733 --> 01:01:59,067
because if it were my decision,
1220
01:01:59,733 --> 01:02:02,700
if it were the way I want it,
I wouldn't have told anyone,
1221
01:02:02,767 --> 01:02:05,667
because I'm not trying to
spread the word.
1222
01:02:06,033 --> 01:02:10,067
But the newspaper man is the
of mass communication.
1223
01:02:10,300 --> 01:02:14,733
I would have kept it private,
if he had done the same.
1224
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,033
But he wanted to spread the word,
1225
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:20,100
so it's his responsibility,
for spreading it, not mine.
1226
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,367
But you are a public figure
and it was you who said it.
1227
01:02:24,433 --> 01:02:27,367
I should have known
that it would be in the papers.
1228
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,400
But in saying that he was only
telling the truth.
1229
01:02:31,467 --> 01:02:32,933
I'm telling you the truth.
1230
01:02:33,333 --> 01:02:35,400
I don't know why they're so angry.
1231
01:02:35,833 --> 01:02:39,100
Do you think you've encouraged your fans
to take drugs?
1232
01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:41,400
I don't think it makes any difference.
1233
01:02:41,467 --> 01:02:44,867
I don't think my fans
take drugs just because I did.
1234
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:47,800
But that's not the point.
1235
01:02:47,867 --> 01:02:49,533
They wondered if he had done it.
1236
01:02:50,467 --> 01:02:54,433
From there,
the point reached
1237
01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:56,533
and the number of people
it will encourage
1238
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,500
it depends on the newspapers,
and on you, on television.
1239
01:02:59,967 --> 01:03:02,333
You are spreading it,
right now, as we speak.
1240
01:03:02,767 --> 01:03:05,533
This goes for every home
in Great Britain,
1241
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:08,100
and I'd rather it wasn't.
1242
01:03:08,467 --> 01:03:10,700
But you're asking me the questions.
You want me to be honest.
1243
01:03:10,767 --> 01:03:11,900
I'll be honest.
1244
01:03:12,467 --> 01:03:15,833
But as a public figure,
you will certainly have a responsibility...
1245
01:03:15,900 --> 01:03:17,967
No, it's your responsibility.
1246
01:03:18,733 --> 01:03:21,500
You have a responsibility
not to spread it now.
1247
01:03:21,967 --> 01:03:26,667
I'm prepared to keep this
a private matter, if you are too.
1248
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,733
If you remain silent
about this, I will too.
1249
01:03:29,067 --> 01:03:31,833
We have to remember
that the emergence of LSD,
1250
01:03:31,900 --> 01:03:36,367
the first was at a time
when it wasn't illegal in this country,
1251
01:03:36,433 --> 01:03:40,100
in a place called
International Psychedelic Center,
1252
01:03:40,333 --> 01:03:42,500
where we could enter
to try it out on the street.
1253
01:03:42,567 --> 01:03:44,900
It was spread on a piece of bread.
1254
01:03:44,967 --> 01:03:46,733
Soon, it was outlawed,
1255
01:03:47,567 --> 01:03:51,600
and several very plausible
very plausible,
1256
01:03:51,667 --> 01:03:53,833
that it was something fantastic.
1257
01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:57,467
John always said
"Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"
1258
01:03:57,533 --> 01:04:00,333
was actually Julian, her son,
who had come home from school
1259
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,967
with a drawing, and it was of Lucy,
a girl from school,
1260
01:04:05,333 --> 01:04:06,900
in the sky, with diamonds.
1261
01:04:07,367 --> 01:04:09,300
And John always said
that it wasn't about LSD,
1262
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,333
and he thought he wasn't.
1263
01:04:11,733 --> 01:04:14,467
I think it probably was,
honestly.
1264
01:04:15,467 --> 01:04:17,300
John would have to be dyslexic
1265
01:04:17,367 --> 01:04:21,633
not to see that "Lucy in the Sky
with Diamonds" was LSD,
1266
01:04:21,700 --> 01:04:23,533
and we know that John
was not dyslexic.
1267
01:04:23,967 --> 01:04:26,667
Although John says
it was just an accident,
1268
01:04:26,733 --> 01:04:30,500
we can use a little
artistic freedom
1269
01:04:30,933 --> 01:04:34,533
to think that it was a little more
than a coincidence.
1270
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,533
The initials "LSD" are random.
1271
01:04:39,067 --> 01:04:39,933
They...
1272
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,600
I don't believe there was
code anywhere,
1273
01:04:43,933 --> 01:04:47,567
but from time to time,
in things like "I Am The Walrus",
1274
01:04:47,667 --> 01:04:49,867
people would ask:
"What does that mean, John?
1275
01:04:49,933 --> 01:04:52,300
Can we clarify that?"
1276
01:04:52,967 --> 01:04:57,800
He would deliberately say
meaningless things.
1277
01:04:57,933 --> 01:05:00,567
I have a quote in my book that says:
"Let them figure it out for themselves.
1278
01:05:00,633 --> 01:05:02,633
Let them find out.
It will confuse them."
1279
01:05:03,067 --> 01:05:06,800
He wasn't sending messages.
He was sending diversions.
1280
01:05:06,867 --> 01:05:08,767
The Beatles have
a very good history
1281
01:05:08,933 --> 01:05:11,333
about why "Lucy in the Sky
with Diamonds" is not about LSD,
1282
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,967
but it was probably written
by Brian Epstein, wasn't it?
1283
01:05:14,833 --> 01:05:17,433
I think it would probably be
about LSD
1284
01:05:17,633 --> 01:05:19,567
and they were told
that it would be better if it didn't.
1285
01:05:19,633 --> 01:05:23,400
As for the rest, the BBC was right,
that's what it was,
1286
01:05:23,467 --> 01:05:26,433
but you were wrong to ban it,
because it was part of youth culture.
1287
01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:28,700
In Sgt. Pepper,
they knew what they were doing.
1288
01:05:28,767 --> 01:05:32,400
They were adding little jokes...
There were jokes before
1289
01:05:33,767 --> 01:05:36,600
in Penny Lane,
Fish and finger pie".
1290
01:05:36,933 --> 01:05:38,500
They added it on purpose.
1291
01:05:38,967 --> 01:05:40,833
It was a bit vulgar, actually.
1292
01:05:41,467 --> 01:05:42,533
Teenage obscenity.
1293
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,100
They banned "A Day in the Life".
They got it wrong.
1294
01:05:46,333 --> 01:05:49,000
"Too many holes to fill
in the Albert Hall",
1295
01:05:49,067 --> 01:05:50,967
was based on an article
in the Daily Mail...
1296
01:05:51,033 --> 01:05:52,033
THE POTHOLES IN OUR ROADS
1297
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:54,467
... about potholes
in Blackburn, Lancashire,
1298
01:05:54,867 --> 01:05:57,700
and thought it was related
with needles in the arm,
1299
01:05:58,333 --> 01:05:59,033
so they banned it.
1300
01:05:59,433 --> 01:06:01,767
That was the kind of attitude
that existed in those days.
1301
01:06:02,300 --> 01:06:05,967
There's no doubt that, on that album,
they were taking risks.
1302
01:06:06,033 --> 01:06:08,100
They knew they were
taking risks
1303
01:06:08,733 --> 01:06:11,933
when they made the long cry
of "I'd love to turn you on".
1304
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:14,967
They knew what they were doing,
1305
01:06:15,533 --> 01:06:18,500
they had gotten away with so much,
1306
01:06:18,567 --> 01:06:21,800
who thought they could get away
with this, and to a large extent, they did.
1307
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:25,000
They introduced the world
1308
01:06:25,067 --> 01:06:27,833
to psychedelics
and psychedelic drugs.
1309
01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:28,967
They had the platform.
1310
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,367
There were
many things were happening in America,
1311
01:06:31,667 --> 01:06:34,300
a lot of drugs and Timothy Leary.
1312
01:06:34,933 --> 01:06:38,900
And to use that great phrase
from the Tibetan Book of the Dead:
1313
01:06:40,367 --> 01:06:42,500
"She said: 'I know what it's like to be dead'",
1314
01:06:42,567 --> 01:06:43,900
which was stunning.
1315
01:06:43,967 --> 01:06:46,600
Suddenly, they went
from "She Loves You" to that.
1316
01:06:47,333 --> 01:06:49,400
It was a dramatic statement.
1317
01:06:49,467 --> 01:06:52,300
Usually, it was Mick,
Keith and his group
1318
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,433
that they carried on their heads
for being a terrible influence,
1319
01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:59,100
the kind of people we wouldn't let
our daughter go out with.
1320
01:07:00,700 --> 01:07:03,467
But the Beatles were no saints.
Certainly not themselves,
1321
01:07:04,067 --> 01:07:06,700
collectively, they would admit it.
1322
01:07:07,100 --> 01:07:10,533
Somehow,
it wasn't seen as drugs
1323
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,767
that have always terrified the British,
1324
01:07:12,833 --> 01:07:16,667
like cocaine,
which was always present.
1325
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,600
People used to say, in the 20s,
people like Lady Diana Cooper,
1326
01:07:20,667 --> 01:07:22,467
a great social figure of the 20s,
1327
01:07:22,533 --> 01:07:25,633
he said later,
when he met pop stars:
1328
01:07:25,700 --> 01:07:28,733
"In the 1920s, we used to go to dinners
1329
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,633
and there were silver salt shakers
full of cocaine."
1330
01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:33,100
So I wasn't very young.
1331
01:07:33,733 --> 01:07:37,300
Lennon was reading Lewis Carrol,
and things like that,
1332
01:07:37,367 --> 01:07:39,767
were absorbing
all this kind of stuff.
1333
01:07:39,833 --> 01:07:43,367
At the time, I suppose
the drugs seemed progressive:
1334
01:07:43,433 --> 01:07:45,667
"We can find an inner light
1335
01:07:45,733 --> 01:07:47,800
and interpret it in certain ways."
1336
01:07:47,867 --> 01:07:51,300
Music is a spiritual thing,
in many ways.
1337
01:07:51,367 --> 01:07:53,600
They retreated
to the men's room.
1338
01:07:53,667 --> 01:07:55,433
They didn't do it in the studio.
1339
01:07:55,500 --> 01:07:58,033
Or they'd duck behind something
1340
01:07:58,100 --> 01:08:00,000
to take a quick puff on a joint.
1341
01:08:00,700 --> 01:08:03,633
But there was a moment
when John had to climb onto the roof,
1342
01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:06,533
and, once again, this shows
the closeness between them.
1343
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:10,500
Paul took him home, to
Paul's house in St. John's Wood,
1344
01:08:10,567 --> 01:08:12,500
and Neil Aspinall was there too,
1345
01:08:12,567 --> 01:08:15,800
and looked after John, as he needed
care because of the LSD.
1346
01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:19,033
The issue with acids
1347
01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:23,600
is that we always know that
whatever happens during the journey,
1348
01:08:23,667 --> 01:08:25,033
we knew it was there,
1349
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:29,733
and now it's just a question of
of living with that information,
1350
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,400
instead of continuing to consume.
1351
01:08:31,467 --> 01:08:34,000
That's why it was easy
when the Maharishi showed up,
1352
01:08:34,067 --> 01:08:35,733
because everyone was ready.
1353
01:08:36,567 --> 01:08:42,367
The Maharishi era begins, in fact,
with George's wife, Patti Boyd,
1354
01:08:42,433 --> 01:08:44,567
who had heard of the Maharishi.
1355
01:08:44,633 --> 01:08:47,667
The Maharishi had been coming to London
years before that.
1356
01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:50,767
I remember seeing his picture
in the Metropolitan
1357
01:08:50,833 --> 01:08:53,400
long before the Beatles
discovered it.
1358
01:08:54,033 --> 01:08:58,433
They were in a position
where wealth, luxury and fame
1359
01:08:58,500 --> 01:09:01,000
start to get bored.
They were looking for something else.
1360
01:09:01,067 --> 01:09:03,633
They were looking for something beyond that,
something spiritual,
1361
01:09:03,700 --> 01:09:06,700
and the Maharishi was a shortcut
1362
01:09:07,033 --> 01:09:09,100
for inner joy
and enlightenment.
1363
01:09:09,333 --> 01:09:11,667
All they had to do was
half an hour a day, or something like that,
1364
01:09:11,733 --> 01:09:14,567
perfect for the attention span
of a rock star.
1365
01:09:15,467 --> 01:09:18,367
One evening, I received
a phone call from Michael McCartney
1366
01:09:19,067 --> 01:09:21,400
who told me:
"There's going to be an event."
1367
01:09:22,433 --> 01:09:24,467
And there were always events
in the 60s.
1368
01:09:24,533 --> 01:09:27,367
It could just be
a hamburger and a Coke.
1369
01:09:27,433 --> 01:09:28,867
That was an event.
1370
01:09:29,467 --> 01:09:31,900
And he said:
"They're going to Bangor tomorrow."
1371
01:09:31,967 --> 01:09:33,100
I said, "Where? Bangor?"
1372
01:09:33,900 --> 01:09:35,700
"To see the Maharishi."
"Who is he?"
1373
01:09:36,367 --> 01:09:37,867
"They met him last night."
1374
01:09:38,567 --> 01:09:41,900
And they'd been to one of his events
at the Hilton,
1375
01:09:41,967 --> 01:09:43,767
in some hotel, and they heard him,
1376
01:09:44,333 --> 01:09:45,033
and they were so...
1377
01:09:45,533 --> 01:09:48,467
George was already interested
in Indian mysticism,
1378
01:09:48,533 --> 01:09:51,900
spiritual awareness
and Indian music.
1379
01:09:51,967 --> 01:09:53,800
EUSTON STATION, LONDON,
AUGUST 1967
1380
01:09:53,867 --> 01:09:56,000
I got on the train
with the four Beatles
1381
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:57,833
and sat down in a compartment.
1382
01:09:57,900 --> 01:09:59,533
It was 1967.
1383
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,067
It was a
compartment,
1384
01:10:01,500 --> 01:10:03,733
in those days,
we had a corridor
1385
01:10:03,933 --> 01:10:07,067
and a first-class
compartment. We could draw the curtains.
1386
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:09,100
And I was sitting there
with the four Beatles,
1387
01:10:09,333 --> 01:10:12,033
me, Mick Jagger
and Marianne Faithfull,
1388
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:13,933
and we traveled to Bangor.
1389
01:10:14,667 --> 01:10:17,333
While we were traveling,
we stopped a few times
1390
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:18,767
in places like Chester.
1391
01:10:19,467 --> 01:10:22,367
There were kids on the platform
screaming, shouting and getting up
1392
01:10:22,433 --> 01:10:25,067
autograph books...
We could open the windows in those days.
1393
01:10:25,300 --> 01:10:28,700
And every now and then, a kid would get
the autographs of three Beatles, but not
1394
01:10:28,767 --> 01:10:31,533
from John. He said, "I'm not signing that.
I'm sick of signing it."
1395
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,567
And I was in tears, so
I signed it "John Lennon". Anyway...
1396
01:10:34,900 --> 01:10:38,067
The Maharishi was on the same train.
That's why it was vital to catch that
1397
01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:39,900
train. We all went to his carriage
1398
01:10:39,967 --> 01:10:42,667
and he gave us a mantra
that I can't reveal.
1399
01:10:54,033 --> 01:10:56,467
The Beatles seem to be
among their supporters.
1400
01:10:56,533 --> 01:10:57,767
What do you think about it?
1401
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,433
I feel a great promise
for the younger generation,
1402
01:11:01,767 --> 01:11:05,400
because if the Beatles adopt
Transcendental Meditation,
1403
01:11:05,700 --> 01:11:08,567
they are the ideal
of energy and intelligence
1404
01:11:08,633 --> 01:11:09,900
the younger generation
1405
01:11:10,067 --> 01:11:12,800
and that will put the youth
1406
01:11:12,867 --> 01:11:16,067
at a very good level
of understanding and intelligence.
1407
01:11:16,633 --> 01:11:20,067
I'm very happy about that,
that we met last night,
1408
01:11:20,500 --> 01:11:23,500
for talking to me
for about an hour.
1409
01:11:23,733 --> 01:11:26,433
They seem to be very intelligent
and honest.
1410
01:11:27,333 --> 01:11:29,800
So he thinks that if the Beatles
adopt his teachings,
1411
01:11:29,867 --> 01:11:32,333
can spread them
among the young people of England?
1412
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,367
Much more easily, not only
in England, but all over the world,
1413
01:11:35,433 --> 01:11:38,533
because the word "Beatle"
is known on every continent
1414
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,900
and young people are
fascinated by this name.
1415
01:11:42,333 --> 01:11:43,833
What do you think of the Beatles?
1416
01:11:43,900 --> 01:11:47,667
They're very good, intelligent young people,
there's a lot of potential.
1417
01:11:47,733 --> 01:11:48,667
What about their music?
1418
01:11:49,367 --> 01:11:50,433
I didn't hear the music,
1419
01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:53,367
but how they are appreciated
all over the world,
1420
01:11:53,433 --> 01:11:55,900
must have something
in their music.
1421
01:12:05,467 --> 01:12:09,667
Cynthia was the Candide of Beatles history.
of the Beatles, she was always left behind.
1422
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:13,700
When they went to visit
the Maharishi to Wales,
1423
01:12:13,767 --> 01:12:16,467
she stayed at the station.
She missed the train.
1424
01:12:16,900 --> 01:12:20,100
They all got on the train.
She was crying at the station.
1425
01:12:20,333 --> 01:12:23,500
I think the Maharishi was intelligent
and knew how to get publicity.
1426
01:12:23,567 --> 01:12:25,433
AUTHOR "THE BEATLES '66"
1427
01:12:25,500 --> 01:12:28,000
People from previous generations
1428
01:12:28,067 --> 01:12:31,300
had done the same and had
glued themselves to the rich and famous
1429
01:12:31,367 --> 01:12:33,567
because they knew that
1430
01:12:33,633 --> 01:12:36,933
if your ideas caught on
with the more intelligent,
1431
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,367
would pass on to normal people,
1432
01:12:39,433 --> 01:12:42,700
so this was nothing new,
but the Maharishi did it
1433
01:12:42,933 --> 01:12:44,700
and the Hare Krishna people did it,
1434
01:12:44,767 --> 01:12:46,567
because they sensed things at Apple
1435
01:12:46,633 --> 01:12:49,333
and ended up with a recording agreement.
1436
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,000
And if anyone knows
the Hare Krishna movement,
1437
01:12:52,067 --> 01:12:53,700
I would turn it on
1438
01:12:53,767 --> 01:12:57,933
the popularity they achieved
through the Beatles.
1439
01:13:28,833 --> 01:13:30,833
But I think
given what you've experienced,
1440
01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:32,633
and knowing what I experienced,
1441
01:13:33,333 --> 01:13:34,667
at a lower level than them,
1442
01:13:34,733 --> 01:13:38,100
but I've experienced some
of the things you do in a band,
1443
01:13:38,333 --> 01:13:41,767
we want to find more, you know?
1444
01:13:42,567 --> 01:13:44,533
There's the part about playing live on stage,
1445
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,800
playing music,
fantastic experiences
1446
01:13:47,867 --> 01:13:50,800
and fantastic introductions
into our lives
1447
01:13:51,467 --> 01:13:54,433
and the way we deal with it,
how we look at it.
1448
01:13:54,967 --> 01:13:57,067
They must have thought:
1449
01:13:57,733 --> 01:14:00,033
"Let's take this spiritual scene
to another level."
1450
01:14:00,633 --> 01:14:04,600
The Maharishi was intelligent. He had
a lady from American high society
1451
01:14:04,667 --> 01:14:06,733
that promoted it in America
1452
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,800
and it was her son
who became Bungalow Bill
1453
01:14:08,867 --> 01:14:11,733
in the song on The White Album.
1454
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:18,467
He knew the advertising value
to have, probably,
1455
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,900
the four most famous types
in the world,
1456
01:14:20,967 --> 01:14:23,533
certainly the most famous
music group.
1457
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,733
Although I probably
didn't know their music,
1458
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:27,967
would know the incredible value
1459
01:14:28,033 --> 01:14:29,567
to spread their message.
1460
01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:33,733
Yes, the Maharishi
was a smart businessman
1461
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,467
and he had a degree,
I think, in physics.
1462
01:14:36,533 --> 01:14:39,700
He studied physics at university,
so he had a scientific side,
1463
01:14:39,767 --> 01:14:41,833
an advertising side
1464
01:14:41,900 --> 01:14:44,733
and there was also the spiritual side.
1465
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,967
When we arrived in Bangor,
that night,
1466
01:15:04,700 --> 01:15:06,733
the roadies
had not yet arrived.
1467
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:08,033
I went to the city,
1468
01:15:08,100 --> 01:15:10,333
me and the four Beatles,
to have a meal.
1469
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:11,967
We went to a Chinese restaurant.
1470
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,533
The bill was ten pounds
1471
01:15:14,967 --> 01:15:17,333
and I only had five pounds on me.
1472
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,767
And he said: "I'm sorry, these
are the Beatles." I'm upset.
1473
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:25,033
They were Chinese employees, from Hong Kong,
who had just arrived,
1474
01:15:25,100 --> 01:15:26,367
probably the day before,
1475
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,933
and all they could hear was
the Liverpool accent.
1476
01:15:29,667 --> 01:15:31,733
It was very common,
on a Saturday night,
1477
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,400
people from Liverpool showed up,
1478
01:15:34,833 --> 01:15:37,000
accumulate a huge bill and run away.
1479
01:15:37,633 --> 01:15:40,000
So they thought.
They were closing the doors,
1480
01:15:40,067 --> 01:15:41,833
sharpening knives
1481
01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:44,533
and I said: "Listen,
I'm a journalist at the Sunday Times,
1482
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,867
I've written a lot of books. Here's
my card. I'll get some money."
1483
01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:50,300
It was getting complicated,
1484
01:15:50,367 --> 01:15:53,700
until George put his foot on the table,
1485
01:15:53,767 --> 01:15:56,900
was wearing Indian sandals
handmade sandals,
1486
01:15:57,467 --> 01:16:00,600
asked for a knife
and cut off the top.
1487
01:16:01,433 --> 01:16:05,333
The problem was that the Beatles had been famous
four years ago,
1488
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,800
like the Royal Family,
had stopped carrying money.
1489
01:16:09,433 --> 01:16:12,067
The roadies carried the money.
They didn't pay anything.
1490
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,367
Then George tore off his sandal
1491
01:16:15,433 --> 01:16:17,033
and took out a £20 note.
1492
01:16:17,733 --> 01:16:19,333
Three or four years later,
1493
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,600
had become the
people in the world
1494
01:16:21,667 --> 01:16:23,300
and multimillionaires on paper,
1495
01:16:23,767 --> 01:16:26,533
but they didn't carry any money.
He thought: "One of these days,
1496
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:28,700
I'm going to need money,
1497
01:16:28,767 --> 01:16:30,433
otherwise,
there could be problems."
1498
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:31,767
And it was that night.
1499
01:16:35,333 --> 01:16:39,800
Brian Epstein organized
a party to celebrate Sgt. Pepper.
1500
01:16:39,867 --> 01:16:43,100
The Beatles originally wanted it,
1501
01:16:43,433 --> 01:16:48,100
make a movie or a show
special promotional
1502
01:16:48,333 --> 01:16:51,300
linked to the album,
which didn't happen.
1503
01:16:51,867 --> 01:16:57,367
But Brian had gotten into the game,
1504
01:16:57,833 --> 01:16:59,933
I had taken too many pills,
1505
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,567
and everything else,
and he was walking away.
1506
01:17:02,633 --> 01:17:05,567
Even Cilla Black and her husband
1507
01:17:05,633 --> 01:17:07,967
went to see Brian to tell him:
"Cilla wants a new agent.
1508
01:17:08,033 --> 01:17:09,967
You're not paying attention anymore."
1509
01:17:10,033 --> 01:17:13,633
He cried at that meeting
and asked her to stay with him.
1510
01:17:13,700 --> 01:17:14,733
Brian was
1511
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:17,667
homosexual.
1512
01:17:18,567 --> 01:17:21,900
And the people in the middle
realized that.
1513
01:17:22,767 --> 01:17:24,933
The strangest thing was that he...
1514
01:17:26,767 --> 01:17:29,767
Everyone, when they hear this,
thought he must like Paul,
1515
01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:32,433
because Paul was
the cute one in the Beatles.
1516
01:17:32,867 --> 01:17:36,967
But no, he liked John,
because he preferred masculine boys.
1517
01:17:37,567 --> 01:17:41,100
When I was going to the hitch in London,
1518
01:17:42,300 --> 01:17:44,733
always tried to pick up guys
who weren't homosexual.
1519
01:17:45,533 --> 01:17:47,533
He filled them up with drink, took them...
1520
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:48,900
I only discovered this later.
1521
01:17:49,100 --> 01:17:50,833
He took them to his beautiful home,
1522
01:17:51,767 --> 01:17:52,900
tried to get them into bed
1523
01:17:53,300 --> 01:17:54,700
and then they beat him up
1524
01:17:55,367 --> 01:17:56,533
and that was his pleasure.
1525
01:17:57,567 --> 01:17:59,467
He was a masochist,
he liked to be beaten.
1526
01:18:00,533 --> 01:18:05,333
And then they stole... things,
1527
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,000
often stole acetate records
to sell to Radio Luxembourg,
1528
01:18:09,067 --> 01:18:10,767
and it was absolute panic,
1529
01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:13,867
not that they stole jewels or money,
1530
01:18:13,933 --> 01:18:17,533
but to steal Beatles songs
that hadn't been released.
1531
01:18:17,900 --> 01:18:19,967
There wasn't much for Brian to do.
1532
01:18:20,033 --> 01:18:23,033
We have to remember that NEMS,
1533
01:18:23,100 --> 01:18:24,067
Brian's company,
1534
01:18:24,567 --> 01:18:28,400
had become the largest
entertainment agency in the world.
1535
01:18:28,467 --> 01:18:30,900
They represented everyone.
1536
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,667
The Beatles, Andy Williams,
the Bee Gees, Cream, Donovan,
1537
01:18:35,367 --> 01:18:39,800
Tony Bennett, and everything had grown
in the last three, four years.
1538
01:18:40,933 --> 01:18:44,500
If the Beatles had stopped
stopped touring, what would they have done?
1539
01:18:46,567 --> 01:18:49,067
and the contract with the publisher
1540
01:18:50,367 --> 01:18:51,767
was sealed and signed,
1541
01:18:51,833 --> 01:18:54,433
and the music promotion contract
was signed,
1542
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,433
there was very little for an agent to do,
to negotiate.
1543
01:18:58,767 --> 01:19:01,600
Now they were looking for someone else
for advice,
1544
01:19:01,667 --> 01:19:05,000
about how to live
and how to spend your free time,
1545
01:19:05,067 --> 01:19:06,600
how to use your mind.
1546
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,400
Brian felt more and more apart,
he began to take more drugs,
1547
01:19:10,467 --> 01:19:14,333
finding new boyfriends
1548
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:15,400
and being promiscuous.
1549
01:19:15,967 --> 01:19:17,733
He was isolating himself from them
1550
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,300
as much as they were
isolating themselves from him.
1551
01:19:24,867 --> 01:19:28,600
They signed up to his
Transcendental Meditation movement,
1552
01:19:28,667 --> 01:19:32,333
have all agreed to join a course,
in Bangor, North Wales.
1553
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,500
It was a huge circus
when they left by train
1554
01:19:35,567 --> 01:19:38,967
for a very unlikely environment,
1555
01:19:39,033 --> 01:19:40,533
a kind of college
teacher training college.
1556
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:45,100
But, of course, that's when the news
of Brian Epstein's death reached them.
1557
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,733
He was found in the
on the second floor,
1558
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:49,467
shortly after 2pm this afternoon,
by her maid.
1559
01:19:49,533 --> 01:19:50,600
AUGUST 27, 1967
1560
01:19:50,667 --> 01:19:52,733
She said it was his habit
to sleep late at the weekend,
1561
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,033
especially if you've had a
week at work.
1562
01:19:56,700 --> 01:19:58,900
She said that yesterday
spent the whole day at home,
1563
01:19:58,967 --> 01:20:01,333
just like the night before,
which wasn't normal for him.
1564
01:20:01,767 --> 01:20:04,333
Mr. Epstein hasn't been well for months
1565
01:20:04,933 --> 01:20:08,367
and usually takes pills
to help you sleep at night.
1566
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,367
Recently,
just over a month ago,
1567
01:20:10,433 --> 01:20:13,300
was even more upset
by his father's sudden death.
1568
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:18,067
His friends have been trying to convince him
to take a long vacation.
1569
01:20:18,633 --> 01:20:22,033
But just yesterday, I said to one of them:
"I feel on top of the world."
1570
01:20:22,833 --> 01:20:25,033
Just over half an hour ago,
a friend...
1571
01:20:25,100 --> 01:20:27,033
Friends have been arriving
throughout the afternoon.
1572
01:20:27,100 --> 01:20:30,700
They have visited the house to see
your lawyer, Mr. David Jacobs.
1573
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:34,400
And one of them went out half an hour ago
and said to the people around him:
1574
01:20:34,833 --> 01:20:35,900
"It was an accident."
1575
01:20:35,967 --> 01:20:38,833
He was an unhappy person.
1576
01:20:39,633 --> 01:20:42,867
He's never had a real partner.
1577
01:20:42,967 --> 01:20:46,100
He had several partners,
several of them worked for Apple,
1578
01:20:46,333 --> 01:20:49,867
but it never became
a serious relationship.
1579
01:20:49,933 --> 01:20:54,733
And when these things happened,
he had the boys and it went badly,
1580
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:56,533
he would get depressed.
1581
01:20:57,533 --> 01:21:00,533
He took pills,
I'd get suicidal.
1582
01:21:01,367 --> 01:21:03,700
When he died, he didn't commit suicide,
but he had...
1583
01:21:04,333 --> 01:21:06,800
There had been a previous
suicide attempt.
1584
01:21:07,700 --> 01:21:11,100
And that made him very depressed.
1585
01:21:12,833 --> 01:21:15,500
Do you have a tribute you'd like
Mr. Epstein?
1586
01:21:16,033 --> 01:21:19,633
We don't know what to say.
We loved him, he was one of us.
1587
01:21:19,967 --> 01:21:23,767
- We can't...
- We can't do it in words.
1588
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:25,700
What are your plans now?
1589
01:21:26,333 --> 01:21:29,900
Return to London
and do what we can.
1590
01:21:30,833 --> 01:21:33,100
Did Maharishi give you
any words of comfort?
1591
01:21:34,933 --> 01:21:35,900
Yes, well...
1592
01:21:35,967 --> 01:21:40,633
Your meditation gives us the confidence
to deal with something like this.
1593
01:21:40,767 --> 01:21:42,633
even with the little we've done.
1594
01:21:44,467 --> 01:21:47,567
What we came to know...
1595
01:21:49,067 --> 01:21:52,467
There is no such thing as death.
1596
01:21:52,567 --> 01:21:54,633
There is death on a physical level, but...
1597
01:21:55,333 --> 01:21:58,767
Life goes on everywhere,
we do, in fact.
1598
01:21:59,700 --> 01:22:00,567
But...
1599
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,867
The point is
it's not as discouraging as...
1600
01:22:04,567 --> 01:22:05,967
It is and it isn't, you know?
1601
01:22:06,833 --> 01:22:11,667
And the comfort is knowing
that he's okay.
1602
01:22:13,033 --> 01:22:17,833
I understand that this afternoon
the Maharishi conferred with you.
1603
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:20,633
May I ask
what advice did I have for you?
1604
01:22:21,767 --> 01:22:22,633
He told us...
1605
01:22:24,367 --> 01:22:26,833
not to let ourselves
overwhelmed by sorrow and...
1606
01:22:26,900 --> 01:22:29,633
Whatever our thoughts
about Brian, to keep them happy,
1607
01:22:30,067 --> 01:22:34,467
because our thoughts about him
will travel to him wherever he is.
1608
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,400
Did he know Mr. Epstein?
1609
01:22:36,467 --> 01:22:38,567
No, but I was looking forward
to meet him.
1610
01:22:39,467 --> 01:22:40,633
- Tomorrow?
- Yes.
1611
01:22:41,300 --> 01:22:42,533
Thank you very much.
1612
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,733
If we see that recording,
John was completely stunned.
1613
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,033
They were blown away by Maharishi.
1614
01:22:48,100 --> 01:22:51,600
It wasn't just another diversion.
1615
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,000
They really believed in him.
1616
01:22:53,900 --> 01:22:57,833
They had been plunged
in a chaotic world.
1617
01:22:57,900 --> 01:22:59,300
Brian was dead.
1618
01:23:00,067 --> 01:23:01,100
And that was...
1619
01:23:01,333 --> 01:23:02,600
EPSTEIN (THE PRINCE OF POP
WHO CREATED THE BEATLES) DIES AT 32
1620
01:23:02,667 --> 01:23:08,967
I think we all have a time in our lives
when we turn to religion,
1621
01:23:09,100 --> 01:23:14,767
as a way of life, as a philosophy,
in search of answers.
1622
01:23:15,033 --> 01:23:17,467
And that's what they were doing.
1623
01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:21,600
I got the call from a friend,
right at the beginning.
1624
01:23:22,033 --> 01:23:25,367
And I couldn't believe it.
1625
01:23:25,433 --> 01:23:29,833
I remember thinking:
"What do we do from here?"
1626
01:23:30,967 --> 01:23:34,333
It was a complete shock
for everyone.
1627
01:23:35,767 --> 01:23:37,600
What do we do?
1628
01:23:37,667 --> 01:23:40,900
But I remember Maharishi telling them:
1629
01:23:42,633 --> 01:23:44,567
"Don't worry, he...
1630
01:23:45,433 --> 01:23:47,400
He moved on to the next stage
in his life.
1631
01:23:47,933 --> 01:23:50,300
You don't have to be sad.
1632
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,400
He's gone and he's going to turn into this,
he's going to do..."
1633
01:23:53,467 --> 01:23:55,633
He was saying all this crap.
1634
01:23:56,333 --> 01:23:58,567
And, unfortunately,
the Beatles were interviewed
1635
01:23:59,367 --> 01:24:01,333
almost immediately afterwards.
1636
01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:05,900
The Maharishi had been throwing
all these things, which was...
1637
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:08,433
They seemed insensitive.
1638
01:24:09,500 --> 01:24:13,900
And Brian's mother,
as well as Brian's brother Clive,
1639
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:16,067
were bothered by this.
1640
01:24:16,300 --> 01:24:18,033
The way it was reported.
It was unintentional.
1641
01:24:18,100 --> 01:24:20,733
The week Brian thought
about going to Bangor,
1642
01:24:20,967 --> 01:24:22,800
didn't go, he stayed at home.
1643
01:24:23,033 --> 01:24:26,667
And that same weekend,
Robert Stigwood invited me
1644
01:24:26,733 --> 01:24:28,300
for drinks one afternoon.
1645
01:24:28,367 --> 01:24:30,367
When I got there,
Brian was at his house,
1646
01:24:30,433 --> 01:24:32,600
the three of us sat down and watched...
1647
01:24:32,667 --> 01:24:35,633
I don't know, we were watching athletics
on TV and drinking.
1648
01:24:35,700 --> 01:24:37,533
Then we went to the Battersea Fun Fair
1649
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,900
and we spent a few hours
walking around and having fun.
1650
01:24:39,967 --> 01:24:42,300
We probably smoked weed,
because we were smiling a lot.
1651
01:24:42,367 --> 01:24:44,033
I don't remember the grass,
but I remember the smiles,
1652
01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:46,000
and one wouldn't exist without the other.
1653
01:24:46,567 --> 01:24:48,333
Then we went to dinner together.
1654
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,667
At the end of dinner, Brian said:
"I'd love to have dinner with you,
1655
01:24:51,833 --> 01:24:54,867
when are you free?" And we agreed
dinner the next day.
1656
01:24:54,933 --> 01:24:57,467
The next day I met up with Brian,
I went to his house,
1657
01:24:57,533 --> 01:25:00,867
we drove to Fredericks,
in Islington, and had dinner there.
1658
01:25:01,367 --> 01:25:04,600
Then we went back to his house
for a drink.
1659
01:25:04,933 --> 01:25:07,933
And it became clear to me,
after a few brandys,
1660
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,833
that Brian was thinking
I was going to stay.
1661
01:25:09,967 --> 01:25:12,433
And I definitely
was not going to stay.
1662
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:16,567
So I said, "I'm going",
and Brian got a bit temperamental.
1663
01:25:16,633 --> 01:25:19,367
And I said: "No, I'm sorry.
I'm leaving." And I did.
1664
01:25:19,733 --> 01:25:21,733
And he told me...
As I was leaving, he said:
1665
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:23,600
"Please,
come spend the weekend with me?"
1666
01:25:23,667 --> 01:25:25,300
And once again,
what was the point?
1667
01:25:25,367 --> 01:25:28,400
I knew what he wanted
and it wasn't something I wanted.
1668
01:25:28,467 --> 01:25:31,733
So I said: "I'll talk to you later."
The next day, he called me and said:
1669
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,800
"Are you coming to the country for the weekend?"
1670
01:25:33,867 --> 01:25:35,300
I said:
"No, I'm going to Ireland."
1671
01:25:35,733 --> 01:25:37,900
What do we know
about the end of Brian's life?
1672
01:25:38,567 --> 01:25:39,433
We don't know.
1673
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,433
And we'll probably never know.
1674
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:47,333
Obviously, I spoke to Jo,
the next day, and she...
1675
01:25:49,100 --> 01:25:51,100
They couldn't...
1676
01:25:51,567 --> 01:25:53,067
They didn't even know I was home.
1677
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,067
He should be
in his country house.
1678
01:25:56,367 --> 01:25:59,900
E... then she said
that she'd received a phone call
1679
01:25:59,967 --> 01:26:03,067
of his driver,
saying he couldn't open the door.
1680
01:26:03,633 --> 01:26:07,967
She went there
and found him, basically.
1681
01:26:08,833 --> 01:26:11,367
And I said at the time:
1682
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:15,800
"I don't understand, because he was
so happy to be there.
1683
01:26:16,700 --> 01:26:18,033
Why would I go home?
1684
01:26:19,500 --> 01:26:21,433
In the middle of the weekend?"
1685
01:26:22,933 --> 01:26:25,667
But I don't think anyone will know the story,
really.
1686
01:26:26,300 --> 01:26:27,000
So...
1687
01:26:28,433 --> 01:26:30,800
You know my story with Brian.
Do you want me to tell it?
1688
01:26:30,867 --> 01:26:31,967
- Yes, please.
- Okay.
1689
01:26:32,433 --> 01:26:35,800
While I was in Ireland,
I received a phone call from a friend
1690
01:26:35,867 --> 01:26:37,500
saying that Brian Epstein had died.
1691
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,533
I immediately looked at the newspapers,
1692
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,867
the newspapers said that he had been found
that morning and he had died of an overdose.
1693
01:26:43,933 --> 01:26:47,600
I had in my house
the first answering machine
1694
01:26:47,667 --> 01:26:50,467
that a company had made
especially for me,
1695
01:26:50,533 --> 01:26:53,633
because they were experimenting
what could be done with telephones.
1696
01:26:53,700 --> 01:26:56,000
And I had a sixth sense in my mind
that told me
1697
01:26:56,067 --> 01:26:59,967
that when he returned to London
and press the button,
1698
01:27:00,333 --> 01:27:01,833
I'd have a message from Brian.
1699
01:27:01,900 --> 01:27:04,467
And, of course,
when I returned and pressed the button,
1700
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,567
I had several messages from Brian.
1701
01:27:06,700 --> 01:27:08,767
He had gone to the countryside,
just as planned.
1702
01:27:10,333 --> 01:27:12,967
He called me at home when I wasn't there,
I was in Ireland.
1703
01:27:13,333 --> 01:27:16,400
And he said, "If you're there,
please come to my country house."
1704
01:27:16,467 --> 01:27:18,633
And then he said:
"I'm coming back from the field,
1705
01:27:18,700 --> 01:27:19,733
can you come over?"
1706
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,633
I didn't go, because I didn't hear
the messages, I was in Ireland.
1707
01:27:22,700 --> 01:27:25,800
The messages continued
and became more and more distorted.
1708
01:27:26,300 --> 01:27:28,333
It was quite obvious,
when I heard them,
1709
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,800
that he was taking
or something else.
1710
01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:35,367
He'd probably go to sleep, wake up,
forgot and took another one.
1711
01:27:35,567 --> 01:27:37,700
Finally, the last message
was very distorted,
1712
01:27:37,767 --> 01:27:40,500
he said: "I wish you were here",
and other things...
1713
01:27:40,967 --> 01:27:43,633
Other personal things,
not worth repeating.
1714
01:27:44,100 --> 01:27:45,333
And then he died.
1715
01:27:45,933 --> 01:27:47,867
So I was a bit
involved in that.
1716
01:27:47,933 --> 01:27:51,000
And, of course, I took
the right and stupid British attitude.
1717
01:27:51,067 --> 01:27:52,700
I immediately erased the tape.
1718
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,067
I didn't even hear it a second time.
1719
01:27:58,433 --> 01:27:59,300
And here we are.
1720
01:27:59,700 --> 01:28:01,600
I didn't know the value of these things.
1721
01:28:10,767 --> 01:28:15,767
SEP 19, 1934 - AUG 27, 1967
1722
01:28:21,533 --> 01:28:23,967
Brian Epstein was always
part of everything.
1723
01:28:24,033 --> 01:28:25,667
And it was a big shock,
1724
01:28:25,733 --> 01:28:27,933
because we think:
"Will they continue?
1725
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:29,300
What's going to happen now?"
1726
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:34,567
In retrospect, it's almost as if
as if he had played his part.
1727
01:28:35,067 --> 01:28:38,400
I had gone on to another
spiritual world, and...
1728
01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:40,967
They were still elsewhere.
1729
01:28:42,033 --> 01:28:46,967
They realized that
a protective shield.
1730
01:28:47,033 --> 01:28:49,400
Like a father... A protective father.
1731
01:28:49,833 --> 01:28:54,067
Brian's business wasn't always
the best deals for the Beatles.
1732
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,967
Because he was following precedent,
the deals that had been done before.
1733
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,800
He didn't realize
that this was new territory.
1734
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:07,500
But on the other hand, he was completely
dedicated to protecting them.
1735
01:29:08,500 --> 01:29:09,667
How...
1736
01:29:10,433 --> 01:29:13,600
In the famous case of the
"more popular than Jesus",
1737
01:29:13,667 --> 01:29:14,767
John's.
1738
01:29:15,300 --> 01:29:17,700
Brian would have canceled
that American tour,
1739
01:29:17,767 --> 01:29:19,600
I was very concerned
about their safety.
1740
01:29:19,900 --> 01:29:23,467
And in the end, contractually,
he couldn't, but he wanted to.
1741
01:29:24,100 --> 01:29:27,367
That's what had disappeared,
a shield. A waterproof shield
1742
01:29:27,700 --> 01:29:30,367
that he has always given them
since he met them.
1743
01:29:30,767 --> 01:29:34,400
He helped protect them
in that sense, and Brian...
1744
01:29:35,433 --> 01:29:38,300
Brian's group.
1745
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,867
Peter Brown and the other people
in the NEMS office,
1746
01:29:44,433 --> 01:29:46,433
they served the Beatles.
1747
01:29:46,500 --> 01:29:47,800
They paid all their bills,
1748
01:29:48,467 --> 01:29:50,433
bought presents
for their girlfriends,
1749
01:29:50,500 --> 01:29:52,300
bought presents
for their wives.
1750
01:29:52,367 --> 01:29:54,100
Many people say
that Brian wasn't a great agent.
1751
01:29:54,333 --> 01:29:56,933
I might not be great at managing them
as a mega group,
1752
01:29:57,033 --> 01:29:59,000
handling money
at the highest level.
1753
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:00,933
But without him,
they wouldn't have happened.
1754
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,467
It was his persistence,
your affection for them,
1755
01:30:03,533 --> 01:30:05,867
his absolute certainty
that they would happen
1756
01:30:05,933 --> 01:30:07,300
and that his music was great.
1757
01:30:07,367 --> 01:30:09,567
And he did other things
that agents have to do
1758
01:30:09,633 --> 01:30:10,700
and he did it very well.
1759
01:30:10,767 --> 01:30:12,900
How to keep
away from them.
1760
01:30:12,967 --> 01:30:15,567
He erected a barrier
between them and the hangers-on.
1761
01:30:15,933 --> 01:30:18,700
Which is strange, because it has never managed to
erect a barrier
1762
01:30:18,767 --> 01:30:20,867
between him
and his own hangers-on,
1763
01:30:20,933 --> 01:30:23,500
who clung to him
and sucked a lot of money out of him.
1764
01:30:23,567 --> 01:30:25,400
But he was very good at it
with the Beatles.
1765
01:30:25,467 --> 01:30:26,867
And I kept those people away.
1766
01:30:26,933 --> 01:30:31,667
So without him,
now that his careful attitude
1767
01:30:31,733 --> 01:30:36,100
with the money and finances had
disappeared, the hangers-on flocked.
1768
01:30:37,033 --> 01:30:39,500
When you're part of a band,
sometimes you need a referee.
1769
01:30:39,567 --> 01:30:42,000
Not many groups
agree on everything.
1770
01:30:42,367 --> 01:30:45,000
I know we saw you on Help!
1771
01:30:45,067 --> 01:30:48,300
when they all entered the same door
and lived in the same house,
1772
01:30:48,367 --> 01:30:50,300
but that was just
a moment in the movie.
1773
01:30:50,367 --> 01:30:52,733
Everyone
who's ever been in a band knows
1774
01:30:53,033 --> 01:30:55,867
that the characters
develop in a group.
1775
01:30:56,533 --> 01:30:58,300
And we don't always agree,
1776
01:30:58,367 --> 01:31:02,767
but somewhere,
we have something that makes it all work.
1777
01:31:02,967 --> 01:31:05,367
Some consensus,
where everyone in the band
1778
01:31:05,433 --> 01:31:08,467
agrees with everything and moves on.
1779
01:31:08,733 --> 01:31:13,567
When Brian died,
there was no referee to supervise them.
1780
01:31:13,633 --> 01:31:15,600
They couldn't
do anything on their own.
1781
01:31:16,067 --> 01:31:17,700
They never had to do anything on their own.
1782
01:31:17,767 --> 01:31:20,367
They always had him.
1783
01:31:22,633 --> 01:31:26,767
As a band, he was the thing
that had held them together so far.
1784
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,633
They got up very quickly,
1785
01:31:29,700 --> 01:31:31,500
if we think logically.
1786
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:32,967
And they opened Apple.
1787
01:31:33,033 --> 01:31:36,600
Apple was a financial measure,
to try to consolidate their fortunes...
1788
01:31:36,667 --> 01:31:38,333
OPENING OF THE APPLE STORE,
DECEMBER 1967
1789
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,833
... and try to save them from an
horrendous amount of taxes,
1790
01:31:42,333 --> 01:31:44,767
they could save
if they invested in a business.
1791
01:31:45,433 --> 01:31:48,500
The point is that at the base,
and that was a mistake,
1792
01:31:48,967 --> 01:31:53,400
was not to protect
and consolidate their copyright.
1793
01:31:53,867 --> 01:31:56,700
It was a short-term
in the short term, actually.
1794
01:31:57,300 --> 01:32:01,933
It was going to be a publishing house
but with other ancillary businesses.
1795
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:06,567
Because the Beatles' influence
to other areas, such as fashion.
1796
01:32:06,900 --> 01:32:08,567
They were going to open a boutique...
1797
01:32:09,567 --> 01:32:11,333
They were going to do everything, really.
1798
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:13,800
But it would be like
a hippie Council of the Arts,
1799
01:32:14,033 --> 01:32:20,633
where young and creative people
could find support and sympathy.
1800
01:32:20,733 --> 01:32:23,633
Because the Beatles remember
when they were...
1801
01:32:23,700 --> 01:32:24,933
When they didn't have...
1802
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,967
The Beatles have always had
fantastic support.
1803
01:32:27,333 --> 01:32:28,533
It was a myth.
1804
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,567
They had Brian Epstein,
George Martin.
1805
01:32:32,500 --> 01:32:34,333
They had Dick James.
1806
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:36,667
There were three men
basically honest
1807
01:32:36,967 --> 01:32:39,567
who were encouraging them
as much as they could.
1808
01:32:39,633 --> 01:32:43,033
But no, they suffered.
So now they were going to help
1809
01:32:43,100 --> 01:32:45,867
the suffering masses
of the creative community.
1810
01:32:45,933 --> 01:32:48,567
I interviewed Paul
and he was full of ideas
1811
01:32:48,633 --> 01:32:51,400
about this
of Communist Mark & Spencer.
1812
01:32:51,733 --> 01:32:54,733
All these things, and I thought:
"God, this isn't going to work."
1813
01:32:54,867 --> 01:32:58,033
And I was thinking:
"I'm not sure about this."
1814
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,833
Because he had said:
"Really, very interesting, but...
1815
01:33:02,433 --> 01:33:04,033
It's Paul,
1816
01:33:04,100 --> 01:33:07,833
and they could have been right.
Apparently, they weren't right.
1817
01:33:07,900 --> 01:33:11,733
This is how Alice Pollock and Ossie Clark
think young women will be walking this summer.
1818
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:13,833
And, come to think of it, a couple of Beatles.
1819
01:33:13,900 --> 01:33:16,667
George Harrison, whose wife
Patti Boyd, was a model in the show,
1820
01:33:16,733 --> 01:33:17,767
and John Lennon.
1821
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,100
From curls to dresses, or,
to be more precise,
1822
01:33:26,333 --> 01:33:28,867
a leather suit called Baz,
worth 25 guineas.
1823
01:33:30,833 --> 01:33:32,600
Patti Boyd dressing up as the African Queen.
1824
01:33:32,867 --> 01:33:35,067
It's made of crepe and costs
nine and a half guineas.
1825
01:33:35,433 --> 01:33:38,333
Less formal, a
white satin jacket and black pants.
1826
01:33:38,467 --> 01:33:39,433
Ten guineas for the whole.
1827
01:33:39,500 --> 01:33:42,100
I worked in the Apple boutique
from the beginning.
1828
01:33:42,733 --> 01:33:47,667
I was there for the three months before
we left for India.
1829
01:33:48,067 --> 01:33:52,067
And it was so different
from anything that existed.
1830
01:33:52,367 --> 01:33:55,367
To begin with, the beautiful trinkets
from India,
1831
01:33:55,433 --> 01:33:59,067
the Ganesha posters,
of the gods and goddesses.
1832
01:34:00,433 --> 01:34:04,567
It was very exciting to work there,
and it was so different.
1833
01:34:04,633 --> 01:34:08,833
But it was also appropriate
to the way we felt at the time.
1834
01:34:09,700 --> 01:34:11,833
That...
1835
01:34:13,067 --> 01:34:16,533
The world can be full of color,
it doesn't have to be black and white.
1836
01:34:16,933 --> 01:34:18,000
Have they seen him?
1837
01:34:18,933 --> 01:34:20,300
- Last night?
- Yesterday.
1838
01:34:20,367 --> 01:34:23,700
Yesterday, the moment they arrived,
they were with me for ten minutes.
1839
01:34:25,433 --> 01:34:28,567
And now they've been with me
since 10:00.
1840
01:34:29,533 --> 01:34:30,933
After breakfast.
1841
01:34:31,967 --> 01:34:33,367
How long were they with you?
1842
01:34:34,067 --> 01:34:36,667
From 10 a.m. until now.
I think three hours.
1843
01:34:37,367 --> 01:34:38,300
And what did they do?
1844
01:34:38,367 --> 01:34:39,833
Did they meditate or talk?
1845
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:44,600
Meditation, some conversation and meditation.
They are very intelligent.
1846
01:34:45,433 --> 01:34:49,900
And they will be...
graduated meditation guides?
1847
01:34:50,467 --> 01:34:52,300
- What will their status be?
- I hope so.
1848
01:34:53,100 --> 01:34:56,000
What do you have to do
to achieve it?
1849
01:34:56,433 --> 01:35:02,333
To achieve this, they need a clear
experience of being.
1850
01:35:02,733 --> 01:35:07,633
I was told, although it wasn't true,
by a doctor that I had tonsillitis.
1851
01:35:07,700 --> 01:35:09,400
In fact, it was something else.
1852
01:35:09,467 --> 01:35:11,433
And different people came to visit me.
1853
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:14,067
John and Cynthia came one day,
1854
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:17,367
and John said:
"I have a drawing for you."
1855
01:35:17,767 --> 01:35:22,067
It was a drawing of an Indian man
with a turban on his head.
1856
01:35:22,567 --> 01:35:26,433
He was playing the flute,
sitting cross-legged,
1857
01:35:26,500 --> 01:35:29,833
and had a basket on his feet,
with a basket coming out.
1858
01:35:30,033 --> 01:35:31,500
And the inscription was:
1859
01:35:31,967 --> 01:35:34,600
"By inner power
and by external power,
1860
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,900
I kick your headlight out of my tonsils.
Sincerely, John and Cyn."
1861
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,700
George used to say a lot:
"Taking LSD
1862
01:35:42,767 --> 01:35:46,067
it gave me a glimpse of this and that,
but it was like climbing a mountain
1863
01:35:46,300 --> 01:35:49,600
and when I looked up, I realized
that there was another mountain range to follow."
1864
01:35:49,667 --> 01:35:51,900
So I think I wanted to chase him
1865
01:35:52,967 --> 01:35:54,833
in a drug-free way,
if you like.
1866
01:35:54,900 --> 01:35:58,500
What's more,
it was a natural break for them.
1867
01:35:58,567 --> 01:36:02,967
He gave them an excuse to be
another, relatively quiet place together.
1868
01:36:03,033 --> 01:36:05,933
I'm not sure how Maharishi came
into their lives,
1869
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:07,467
but it wasn't the first.
1870
01:36:07,933 --> 01:36:10,933
Because I was always with the group.
1871
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,767
I saw them every night
at the Scotch of St. James.
1872
01:36:13,833 --> 01:36:17,400
And we all knew they were
seeing someone else like that.
1873
01:36:17,733 --> 01:36:19,733
I think Maharishi was the second.
1874
01:36:19,900 --> 01:36:22,900
As they climbed the ladder
of Indian mysticism,
1875
01:36:22,967 --> 01:36:26,933
realized that their Maharishi,
or whoever he was, wasn't top-notch.
1876
01:36:27,467 --> 01:36:30,100
So they went to India
with this other Maharishi.
1877
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:32,967
Which, subsequently,
we all learned was a fraud,
1878
01:36:33,033 --> 01:36:34,800
and it wasn't exactly
the best.
1879
01:36:34,933 --> 01:36:38,000
But he gave them good rooms
and five-star hotels.
1880
01:36:38,533 --> 01:36:40,900
It's good,
to get into Indian mysticism,
1881
01:36:40,967 --> 01:36:45,567
in all its ascetic need,
but in a five-star hotel.
1882
01:36:46,100 --> 01:36:47,467
There's a funny story.
1883
01:36:47,533 --> 01:36:50,433
When they decided to go
to the Maharishi in India.
1884
01:36:51,533 --> 01:36:55,933
Maureen, Ringo's wife,
had a horror of insects.
1885
01:36:56,567 --> 01:37:00,333
So she went to Harrods
and bought some baby overalls,
1886
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:01,767
but in adult size.
1887
01:37:02,067 --> 01:37:04,400
So that they couldn't
approach her.
1888
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:09,400
And Richie, who has always had
a very sensitive stomach,
1889
01:37:09,467 --> 01:37:10,900
because I had been ill
when I was a child,
1890
01:37:11,867 --> 01:37:16,900
said to me: "You can get me the medicine
Dr. Collis Browne, several liters,
1891
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,367
and baked beans,
and fill a suitcase?
1892
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,667
Baked beans, Collis Browne."
1893
01:37:24,500 --> 01:37:27,433
And that's what I did, I was full.
1894
01:37:27,900 --> 01:37:30,300
A whole suitcase
by Collis Browne and...
1895
01:37:31,533 --> 01:37:33,433
And two weeks later they were home.
1896
01:37:34,567 --> 01:37:36,933
I said to Maureen:
"That was a long stay.
1897
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,567
Did you get rid of
all the baked beans?"
1898
01:37:40,467 --> 01:37:42,933
There is no doubt
that the whole Apple concept
1899
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:44,667
had been thought of
before Brian died.
1900
01:37:44,733 --> 01:37:46,567
It was something else that worried him,
1901
01:37:46,633 --> 01:37:50,467
because it would exclude him even more.
He wasn't part of the planning.
1902
01:37:50,533 --> 01:37:52,900
They weren't pushing him, nor were they saying:
"You're not involved."
1903
01:37:52,967 --> 01:37:56,533
But it certainly wasn't something
his idea.
1904
01:37:56,633 --> 01:38:00,300
And I'd already heard about Apple
several weeks before Brian died.
1905
01:38:00,467 --> 01:38:02,933
I think it was something else
that made you feel
1906
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:04,633
who was no longer part of them.
1907
01:38:05,633 --> 01:38:06,833
When they had Apple,
1908
01:38:07,967 --> 01:38:11,667
we used to have lunch
in the main office.
1909
01:38:13,633 --> 01:38:16,333
We had a chef and everything...
1910
01:38:17,700 --> 01:38:19,000
Paul came in one day,
1911
01:38:19,467 --> 01:38:22,700
and they were losing money.
It looked like they were giving it away.
1912
01:38:23,633 --> 01:38:28,933
He said: "Here comes a guy
to tell us what we're doing wrong
1913
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,567
with our business plans."
1914
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:34,700
And it was Beeching.
1915
01:38:35,500 --> 01:38:37,100
He showed up,
invited to lunch...
1916
01:38:37,333 --> 01:38:39,033
DOCTOR BEECHING - CHAIRMAN
OF BRITISH RAILWAYS
1917
01:38:39,100 --> 01:38:43,300
... basically to use the brain
to tell us what we were doing wrong.
1918
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:45,867
They then organized this lunch,
1919
01:38:46,867 --> 01:38:50,000
and I was jotting down the minutes
for the next meeting,
1920
01:38:52,767 --> 01:38:55,033
he looked at Paul and said:
1921
01:38:56,067 --> 01:38:58,833
"I have to say that I don't think
I'm not going to be much use here.
1922
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:03,700
Because I work for organizations
much bigger than Apple."
1923
01:39:04,333 --> 01:39:06,867
And Paul said, "Oh, my God."
1924
01:39:09,100 --> 01:39:12,100
I looked at Paul and said:
"I think so."
1925
01:39:12,900 --> 01:39:15,600
They had some good ideas,
but also some crazy ideas.
1926
01:39:15,667 --> 01:39:18,833
They wanted to open a school,
they wanted to publish books.
1927
01:39:18,900 --> 01:39:23,033
They wanted to do everything. Great ambitions.
And they appealed to people:
1928
01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:25,800
"Send us your poems,
your stories, your novels."
1929
01:39:25,867 --> 01:39:28,600
And, of course, they found rooms
full of it
1930
01:39:28,667 --> 01:39:31,567
and they couldn't review them.
They weren't ready for that.
1931
01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:35,000
And this was another area in which
the Beatles were pioneers.
1932
01:39:35,067 --> 01:39:37,300
They didn't do it completely,
but they have started
1933
01:39:37,367 --> 01:39:39,433
to have more control
over your product.
1934
01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:43,367
Control over album covers.
1935
01:39:43,433 --> 01:39:45,100
The appearance of things and,
1936
01:39:45,333 --> 01:39:47,100
eventually,
control over the material.
1937
01:39:47,333 --> 01:39:50,300
But not at the level of the percentages
we have today.
1938
01:39:50,367 --> 01:39:52,333
The problem with Apple
and Apple Boutique,
1939
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,467
and everything that happened
in that building on Baker Street,
1940
01:39:54,533 --> 01:39:58,300
was that they had money,
they had freedom,
1941
01:39:58,367 --> 01:40:01,467
had ideas from India,
of the Maharishi.
1942
01:40:02,900 --> 01:40:04,467
They had a lot of hangers-on.
1943
01:40:04,667 --> 01:40:06,533
And the hangers-on were
very good at being...
1944
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:08,567
Hangers are usually
very good at what they do.
1945
01:40:08,633 --> 01:40:10,000
Like Magic Alex.
1946
01:40:10,633 --> 01:40:16,400
Who would have thought that we could get
a roll of wallpaper with microphones
1947
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,033
that would give us the best sound ever?
1948
01:40:19,767 --> 01:40:20,833
Magic Alex.
1949
01:40:21,467 --> 01:40:25,833
And I think, of all people,
John was convinced he was a magician.
1950
01:40:27,533 --> 01:40:28,400
They were quite...
1951
01:40:30,100 --> 01:40:31,667
I think we were all naive.
1952
01:40:31,733 --> 01:40:33,867
It was all a new experience.
1953
01:40:35,033 --> 01:40:37,433
But I think it was good
1954
01:40:37,767 --> 01:40:40,700
have not been
selfish with their fame.
1955
01:40:41,633 --> 01:40:43,467
Almost everyone
who came up with an idea...
1956
01:40:43,533 --> 01:40:45,567
If someone came in and said:
"I make great cream",
1957
01:40:45,633 --> 01:40:48,600
John would say: "Let's all eat
cream with lunch every day."
1958
01:40:48,667 --> 01:40:51,000
Anyone could
get a job there.
1959
01:40:51,300 --> 01:40:54,333
It was crowded with people.
Second-rate people...
1960
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:56,800
They were very charming, most of them,
but second-rate.
1961
01:40:57,433 --> 01:40:59,433
And the Apple Boutique worked
the same way.
1962
01:40:59,500 --> 01:41:01,467
If someone designed clothes
that was interesting
1963
01:41:01,533 --> 01:41:04,433
and obviously not commercial,
was for the Apple Boutique.
1964
01:41:04,767 --> 01:41:07,300
Almost everything they played,
at the time,
1965
01:41:07,367 --> 01:41:09,533
seemed to be
completely uncommercial.
1966
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:13,800
Neil was incredibly conscientious
and such a good man.
1967
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,667
And Peter worked hard.
1968
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:23,300
So the office ran
smoothly and efficiently.
1969
01:41:24,567 --> 01:41:27,533
I had an office
between Neil and Peter.
1970
01:41:28,533 --> 01:41:32,767
Neil and Mal were doing
the beginning, basically,
1971
01:41:32,833 --> 01:41:37,400
from "The Long and Winding Road",
reminiscent of a cassette.
1972
01:41:38,467 --> 01:41:40,800
And at the time, I was doing
1973
01:41:43,467 --> 01:41:44,933
all the letters to America.
1974
01:41:45,900 --> 01:41:50,667
All the news agencies were asking for
old footage of the Beatles.
1975
01:41:51,767 --> 01:41:54,500
And that's how we recovered
all things America.
1976
01:41:54,567 --> 01:41:56,400
They were very good,
they did everything.
1977
01:41:56,767 --> 01:42:01,900
And one night in particular,
I was passing by Neil's side.
1978
01:42:02,833 --> 01:42:06,400
And Neil and Mal, I'll never forget,
were by the fire.
1979
01:42:07,333 --> 01:42:09,567
And I had to climb on top...
1980
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:12,467
God, I shouldn't say that.
1981
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:16,600
Derek Taylor,
who was having sex on the floor,
1982
01:42:16,933 --> 01:42:18,733
and I couldn't get through.
1983
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:21,300
The cartoon makes fun
a bit with the Maharishi,
1984
01:42:21,367 --> 01:42:23,833
this means that you have ended
the relationship with him
1985
01:42:24,067 --> 01:42:27,500
and he's a source of amusement?
- We're not done, we're past that stage.
1986
01:42:27,700 --> 01:42:29,033
It was a bit of a phase.
1987
01:42:29,500 --> 01:42:31,800
But he's a good guy
and we're all fine,
1988
01:42:31,867 --> 01:42:33,867
but we don't go out with him anymore.
1989
01:42:35,633 --> 01:42:39,367
I thought he was a fraud,
ever since I heard about him.
1990
01:42:39,433 --> 01:42:40,400
I thought, "My God."
1991
01:42:40,767 --> 01:42:42,900
One of the problems,
and John was the worst,
1992
01:42:42,967 --> 01:42:44,867
because he clung to things.
1993
01:42:44,933 --> 01:42:48,567
He really held on to things
and was easily taken.
1994
01:42:50,467 --> 01:42:53,367
This could be a problem,
as they had been somewhat protected.
1995
01:42:53,433 --> 01:42:55,967
They had been used to being
the Beatles for so long.
1996
01:42:56,467 --> 01:42:57,633
They were...
1997
01:42:58,033 --> 01:43:02,567
And I thought:
"This guy is a scammer."
1998
01:43:02,633 --> 01:43:05,300
And I'm sure it's related...
1999
01:43:05,367 --> 01:43:08,700
Meditation is probably a healthy
for those who like it, of course.
2000
01:43:08,767 --> 01:43:12,433
But I didn't believe
and I still don't.
2001
01:43:12,500 --> 01:43:16,767
The Beatles believed
in the spiritual side of things.
2002
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:20,033
And they wanted to spread the word.
2003
01:43:20,667 --> 01:43:23,533
And the Maharishi saw the Beatles as...
2004
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:27,033
were world famous.
2005
01:43:28,733 --> 01:43:30,733
And they could spread his message.
2006
01:43:31,300 --> 01:43:34,567
Originally, the idea
was that they would install
2007
01:43:34,633 --> 01:43:36,833
a TM meditation site in London
2008
01:43:37,033 --> 01:43:39,100
and the Beatles would be part of that.
2009
01:43:40,067 --> 01:43:43,000
Patti had
some dreams about the Maharishi
2010
01:43:43,067 --> 01:43:45,733
that gave a different idea of him.
2011
01:43:46,700 --> 01:43:47,633
E...
2012
01:43:48,700 --> 01:43:51,600
And I think it was
with Mia Farrow.
2013
01:43:51,667 --> 01:43:53,600
There were a lot of people.
2014
01:43:53,667 --> 01:43:56,400
But I also think that we were
away from everything,
2015
01:43:57,567 --> 01:44:00,000
it was a different lifestyle,
and here we were,
2016
01:44:00,567 --> 01:44:03,533
meditating,
six, seven hours at a time,
2017
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:05,567
maybe overnight,
or for a couple of days.
2018
01:44:05,900 --> 01:44:07,600
And it was so different
2019
01:44:07,667 --> 01:44:11,500
than everyone used to,
especially the Beatles.
2020
01:44:11,567 --> 01:44:14,900
In a way,
the Maharishi got bad press,
2021
01:44:14,967 --> 01:44:17,000
but it was harmless.
2022
01:44:17,067 --> 01:44:20,800
And it was very...
It looked strange.
2023
01:44:20,867 --> 01:44:24,633
But nowadays,
we couldn't say that.
2024
01:44:24,700 --> 01:44:27,433
There was a great deal of ridicule
of this figure.
2025
01:44:27,500 --> 01:44:31,500
And he just said
things we couldn't answer,
2026
01:44:31,567 --> 01:44:34,533
like love one another,
and things like that.
2027
01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:38,700
It was largely
an extension of the hippie philosophy.
2028
01:44:39,100 --> 01:44:43,300
The poor Maharishi was warned
that his prize troupe was leaving,
2029
01:44:43,367 --> 01:44:45,600
and he was sitting there,
watching us go by,
2030
01:44:45,667 --> 01:44:48,600
with someone holding
an umbrella over your head.
2031
01:44:48,667 --> 01:44:50,533
He kept saying:
"Why are you leaving?"
2032
01:44:50,767 --> 01:44:52,300
He had no idea.
2033
01:44:52,733 --> 01:44:55,833
I know there's a famous quote,
in which John said...
2034
01:44:55,900 --> 01:44:57,667
I don't remember this,
but John did:
2035
01:44:57,733 --> 01:45:00,633
"If it's so cosmic,
you should know."
2036
01:45:01,700 --> 01:45:02,567
And so it was.
2037
01:45:06,100 --> 01:45:10,700
CLOSING OF THE APPLE BOUTIQUE,
JULY 1968
2038
01:45:11,333 --> 01:45:13,767
The Beatles' brief
in the trade is over.
2039
01:45:13,933 --> 01:45:16,833
They say they are very tired
of this particular toy.
2040
01:45:28,900 --> 01:45:31,900
No, I'm so shaken up.
I don't even know what I'm doing here.
2041
01:45:31,967 --> 01:45:34,633
I've been here since 7:00 a.m.
and I was pushed inside.
2042
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:36,700
Are you shaken up
because of the hit-and-run outside?
2043
01:45:36,767 --> 01:45:38,400
I've never seen anything like it.
2044
01:45:38,533 --> 01:45:39,767
I'm from Canada and this...
2045
01:45:40,900 --> 01:45:44,700
- What kind of clothes are you looking for?
- I don't know. Suits, anything.
2046
01:45:44,767 --> 01:45:46,633
- Anything I can get my hands on?
- Anything cool.
2047
01:45:47,067 --> 01:45:48,367
What are you looking for?
2048
01:45:48,467 --> 01:45:50,067
I don't know.
Anything that's free.
2049
01:45:50,300 --> 01:45:52,567
Would you buy something here
if it wasn't free?
2050
01:45:52,633 --> 01:45:53,767
It's too expensive for me.
2051
01:45:54,100 --> 01:45:55,100
What do you expect?
2052
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:57,767
Anything. I'm not weird
when it comes to haute couture.
2053
01:45:57,900 --> 01:45:59,700
A dress, I guess,
or pants.
2054
01:45:59,833 --> 01:46:02,400
Would you buy something here
if it wasn't free?
2055
01:46:02,467 --> 01:46:04,767
I've bought before.
I've bought several things here.
2056
01:46:04,833 --> 01:46:07,733
It's not because it's free.
It's because I like the store.
2057
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:09,333
We have to ask ourselves
2058
01:46:09,933 --> 01:46:12,733
how long the relationship
between the band
2059
01:46:13,933 --> 01:46:15,567
and the agent would last.
2060
01:46:16,500 --> 01:46:19,767
Then we have to add Yoko Ono
2061
01:46:20,967 --> 01:46:25,100
and his growing influence,
certainly on John.
2062
01:46:25,833 --> 01:46:28,867
Then we started to look at
the Beatles as a business.
2063
01:46:29,533 --> 01:46:31,433
Then we arrived at Allen Klein.
2064
01:46:31,933 --> 01:46:34,100
Then we get to
the ever-changing face
2065
01:46:34,667 --> 01:46:37,767
of the history of this brilliant group.
2066
01:46:49,467 --> 01:46:50,433
For me...
2067
01:46:52,367 --> 01:46:55,033
is the ultimate album.
2068
01:46:55,933 --> 01:46:59,833
Because it meant so much
and still does.
2069
01:46:59,900 --> 01:47:02,567
He continued
after all this time.
2070
01:47:02,833 --> 01:47:08,500
It's the best
rock music album in the world.
2071
01:47:09,033 --> 01:47:13,433
As far as I'm concerned,
there isn't a bad Beatles album.
2072
01:47:13,500 --> 01:47:14,500
They're all brilliant.
2073
01:47:15,067 --> 01:47:17,800
And I suppose it's my best.
2074
01:47:17,867 --> 01:47:19,833
I think it's my best
because that's what
2075
01:47:19,900 --> 01:47:21,600
I followed it from start to finish.
2076
01:47:22,367 --> 01:47:26,433
And it was very revolutionary
in concept and cover.
2077
01:47:26,500 --> 01:47:27,933
So it was my best album.
2078
01:47:28,567 --> 01:47:31,800
It was huge,
because at that time they had the capacity
2079
01:47:31,867 --> 01:47:33,533
to advertise it in a fantastic way.
2080
01:47:33,833 --> 01:47:36,067
And they all had
in the palm of their hands.
2081
01:47:36,300 --> 01:47:38,400
We were all completely
by the Beatles.
2082
01:47:38,467 --> 01:47:41,700
Hardly anyone criticized them. Everyone
thought the cover was genius,
2083
01:47:41,767 --> 01:47:43,833
the songs were genius,
the presentation...
2084
01:47:43,900 --> 01:47:46,900
For me,
it was a miniature masterpiece.
2085
01:47:46,967 --> 01:47:51,067
It was like a pop symphony
and it had a wonderful continuity.
2086
01:47:51,667 --> 01:47:57,033
The main scene, the title track,
was at the beginning, it was at the end.
2087
01:47:57,400 --> 01:47:59,567
Everything followed
everything else.
2088
01:47:59,900 --> 01:48:01,333
It was an absolute joy.
2089
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:04,300
There's something about the Beatles
for every mood.
2090
01:48:04,367 --> 01:48:07,100
The world, posterity,
says it's the best album ever.
2091
01:48:07,933 --> 01:48:08,900
It's fantastic.
2092
01:48:08,967 --> 01:48:12,933
Who else do we have
that has continued for 50 years,
2093
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:16,700
and how many generations
still hear it?
2094
01:48:16,967 --> 01:48:22,033
Listen to it in mono
and don't worry about the stereo.
2095
01:48:22,100 --> 01:48:24,600
Because the Beatles weren't there
when it was mixed.
2096
01:48:25,033 --> 01:48:29,667
They were in India.
Where the four of them were,
2097
01:48:29,733 --> 01:48:33,000
listened to everything and made decisions.
It was the mono version.
2098
01:48:33,633 --> 01:48:36,833
That's the most important thing
I can say about Sgt. Pepper.
2099
01:48:37,100 --> 01:48:41,300
You know when you buy an album,
and there's a...
2100
01:48:41,367 --> 01:48:42,533
That was years ago.
2101
01:48:43,633 --> 01:48:47,800
There are one or two, perhaps,
on the whole album,
2102
01:48:47,867 --> 01:48:49,633
that we really like,
2103
01:48:49,700 --> 01:48:52,667
and the others... They're in the album.
2104
01:48:52,833 --> 01:48:56,900
Back in the day
when we did it manually.
2105
01:48:58,700 --> 01:49:01,000
The Beatles' albums were the other way around.
2106
01:49:01,067 --> 01:49:03,100
There could be one
that we didn't like very much
2107
01:49:03,333 --> 01:49:04,833
and we'd go crazy with the others.
2108
01:49:04,900 --> 01:49:07,967
They captured the moment,
captured it.
2109
01:49:08,500 --> 01:49:10,733
They were perfect
2110
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:13,633
and dragged everyone behind them,
like a locomotive.
2111
01:49:13,700 --> 01:49:15,533
They dragged everything behind them.
2112
01:49:15,967 --> 01:49:17,600
And I think that if they had put
2113
01:49:18,667 --> 01:49:23,933
"Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields"
in Sgt. Pepper would have been different.
2114
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:27,300
It would have been, literally,
the best album ever made.
2115
01:49:27,467 --> 01:49:28,700
I contradict myself,
2116
01:49:28,867 --> 01:49:31,933
because sometimes I think:
"I can't believe this is happening."
2117
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:36,800
But then I think: "Well, but...
I knew it would last forever."
2118
01:49:36,900 --> 01:49:38,500
That the music would last forever.
2119
01:49:38,833 --> 01:49:43,000
It's also a great window
to an era of incredible change.
2120
01:49:43,067 --> 01:49:45,600
If you study the Beatles,
at any level,
2121
01:49:45,667 --> 01:49:47,667
will be studying the 60s
2122
01:49:48,333 --> 01:49:51,567
and the history of the West,
in a way, and how it has changed.
2123
01:49:51,633 --> 01:49:53,033
But it's a timeless question.
2124
01:49:53,533 --> 01:49:57,033
Just as people still study
Shakespeare years later.
2125
01:49:58,033 --> 01:50:02,300
With the Beatles, there was also
a feel-good factor.
2126
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:06,667
I always used to say to my friends:
"If you're down, listen to the Beatles."
2127
01:50:07,667 --> 01:50:10,400
It helps us see the world
in much better places.
2128
01:50:10,467 --> 01:50:12,600
It has healing properties.
2129
01:50:12,667 --> 01:50:16,333
Four guys, it worked.
2130
01:50:16,733 --> 01:50:18,000
And the talent was there.
2131
01:50:19,300 --> 01:50:23,600
And I don't think
other Beatles.
2132
01:50:24,667 --> 01:50:27,067
Back to the Liverpool Echo,
2133
01:50:27,300 --> 01:50:29,367
where there was an article
with Brian Epstein.
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He said: "I think the Beatles will be
bigger than Elvis."
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And everyone laughed.
They said:
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"How does a band from Liverpool
from this small stage at the Cavern,
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with all this leather,
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can become bigger than Elvis?"
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Because Elvis was there.
He was in America,
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was the biggest star in the world.
2141
01:50:49,467 --> 01:50:53,500
But he was proved right,
it was the greatest band ever.
2142
01:50:53,567 --> 01:50:54,967
He saw something we didn't.
2143
01:50:55,033 --> 01:50:57,567
I think the Beatles were
embarrassed by that,
2144
01:50:57,633 --> 01:51:00,033
and I think a lot of
Liverpool bands too.
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01:51:00,467 --> 01:51:02,800
"Bigger than Elvis? Come on."
2146
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:04,567
But Brian was right.
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01:51:05,333 --> 01:51:08,867
Even today,
charisma and excitement
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01:51:08,933 --> 01:51:11,000
that the name "Beatles" creates...
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01:51:12,300 --> 01:51:15,467
Not just in Liverpool,
all over the world, it doesn't matter.
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01:51:15,533 --> 01:51:19,400
In Mexico, in South America,
Japan, Germany, wherever you want.
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01:51:19,833 --> 01:51:22,433
On a small island in Samoa, somewhere.
2152
01:51:23,300 --> 01:51:25,700
If you mention the Beatles,
it's a euphoria.
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01:51:25,767 --> 01:51:26,633
That's it...
2154
01:51:27,433 --> 01:51:29,100
That's the legacy they left behind.
2155
01:51:29,333 --> 01:51:31,633
And whether anyone will overcome this legacy,
2156
01:51:31,700 --> 01:51:32,567
God only knows.
2157
01:51:33,500 --> 01:51:34,733
But it's an incredible legacy.
2158
01:51:35,033 --> 01:51:39,633
And it's fantastic for me,
to have been a small part of that.
2159
01:51:50,933 --> 01:51:52,833
538 DAYS AFTER
THE RELEASE OF SGT PEPPER,
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THE BEATLES HAVE RELEASED
A DOUBLE ALBUM WITH
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30 NEW SONGS
IN A SIMPLE WHITE COVER...
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01:51:57,867 --> 01:52:02,533
WENT STRAIGHT TO NUMBER 1
WORLDWIDE...
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Subtitles:
Luís Perat
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Guys, where is
the dog whistle?
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