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- All right.
- I gotta tell you,
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I'm real proud to introduce
this next artist
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whose name's become synonymous
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with courage and integrity.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
Sinéad O'Connor.
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Thank you.
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I didn't mean to be strong.
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I wasn't thinking to myself,
I must be strong.
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I didn't know I was strong.
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I did suffer through a lot
because everybody felt
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it was okay to kick
the shit out of me.
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I regret that I was
so sad because of it.
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I regret that I spent
so many years
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very lonely and isolated,
really.
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Ran down And the lady said it
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Got torn down
And the priest just said it
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Got burned down, ooh
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They give me five years
Ooh, five years
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It's my turn
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Oh, oh, Jerusalem
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Oh, oh, Jerusalem
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There was no therapy
when I was growing up.
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So the reason I got into
music group was therapy,
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which is why it was
such a shock for me
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to become a pop star,
it's not what I wanted.
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I just wanted to scream.
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Everybody in music has a story
in terms of their upbringing
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or where they came from
or what they went through.
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There's something they need
to get off their chest,
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and perhaps we all need
a bit of love and affection
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that we didn't get anywhere else
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but we get by making music.
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Come on over there and sit down.
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They're all, they're all
looking at you, Sinéad,
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out there in television land.
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They're saying "Mother of God,
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what did she do with her head?
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Isn't that a disgrace?
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I hope my daughter
wouldn't turn out like that."
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- Isn't that what you're saying?
- Yes, you are.
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- Already, you are.
- How are you then?
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- I'm fine, thank you. How are you?
- Well done so far.
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Now from Glenageary,
you were a difficult child,
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Sinéad O'Connor,
you were difficult growing up.
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You went through a lot
of schools, did you not?
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I think quite a few,
at the expense of my father.
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How many schools
did you go through and why?
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Um... I think, I don't know
how many, Dad? About five.
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Five or six.
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How many schools
did she go through?
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- I'd say no more than five or six.
- - Five or six.
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That's a bit
exaggerated actually.
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That's in one year, of course.
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And for me
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Some scarlet ribbons
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Scarlet ribbons
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For my hair...
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My very first musical memory
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is my father singing to me,
"Scarlet Ribbons".
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I just remember
being blown away.
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Like I remember like yesterday
I was lying on my pillow
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and my dad would
sing the song to me
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and I was like, "Oh, my God."
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The angels came in the window.
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...all the streets were dark.
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When I'm 11, my brother comes
home with " Slow Train Coming,"
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which completely changes my life
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and makes me want
to be a musician,
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and makes me
want to be an artist,
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and makes me know what
kind of artist I want to be
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because of the song
"Gotta Serve Somebody."
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And I was obsessed
with Bob Dylan from then on.
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My mother had this
fantastic record collection
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which she would spread out
on the dining room table
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every morning
like a deck of cards.
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Her musical tastes
ranged from John Lennon
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right through awful kind of
HMS Pinafore, Light Opera,
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right through to, like,
Porgy and Bess.
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And also in those days,
musicals were huge.
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That was all that
was ever on telly,
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was these just high class
musicals, you know.
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My mother always had
the soundtracks to them.
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My father was into cello,
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which I used to find just too
sad, given our circumstances.
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My parents separated
when I was quite young,
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and my mother
was a very violent woman,
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not a healthy woman
mentally at all.
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And she was physically
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and verbally
and psychologically,
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spiritually and
emotionally abusive.
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My mother was a beast,
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and I was able to soothe her
with my voice,
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I was able to use my voice
to make the devil fall asleep.
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My father is the type
of man that didn't want
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anyone talking
about what happened,
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and that's what
was wrong with me.
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It wasn't talked about,
even in the family.
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The cause of my own abuse
was the church's effect
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on this country,
which had produced my mother.
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I spent my entire childhood
being beaten up
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because of the social conditions
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under which my mother grew up
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and under which
her mother grew up
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and under which her mother
and her mother grew up.
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I would compare Ireland
to an abused child.
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I'd a terrible
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Broken heart
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I'd a terrible
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Broken heart...
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I began studying scriptures
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when I was very small,
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because I wanted to see
what was in this book
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that they were using
to oppress my people.
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Why were my grandparents
so miserable
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that they couldn't have a kiss
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without feeling like they
were going to burn in hell?
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The church
influenced everything.
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If it was a sin, then it was
against the law of the state.
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So divorce, contraception,
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and anything that
didn't agree entirely
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with a very narrow view
of the Catholic church,
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it was simply not allowed.
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It affected
every level of society.
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It was a mortal sin,
for example,
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to go to a dance
in some diocese,
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that didn't end at midnight.
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It was a mortal sin
to eat meat on a Friday.
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You could go to hell for
eating a sausage on a Friday.
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Everything was gathered around
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the power of the church
over its people.
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I had loved the Catholic church,
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and I had grown up so religious,
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like stupidly religious.
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I made my holy communion
and I took it seriously.
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That was a contract
with the holy spirit I made,
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and I believed it all,
and I was trying to live it.
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I went into care when I was 14,
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into care home for want
of a better description.
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I was a bit messed up.
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And it wasn't acknowledged
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what had happened to me
in my mother's house.
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I was unmanageable, really,
so they didn't want me at home.
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The place was called "An Grianan",
which means "The Sunrise."
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An Grianan was
a residential training centre
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run by a religious order,
by sisters.
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The girls came
from mixed backgrounds.
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Some had come from
other children's homes,
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have been in care
all their lives.
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Others had come from
insecure family settings
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and they needed somewhere
where there was structure
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and safety for a few years.
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They got a guitar teacher in
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who was the loveliest
woman alive,
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who I still know and
I still talk to now and then.
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She's bloody lovely.
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If not for her, I wouldn't have
made it through that place.
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The first night, I was there
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doing music with the girls,
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I asked her, would she like
to sing a song for us.
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And I won't forget it
as long as I live,
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because we were just stunned.
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We needed to encourage her
in this wonderful talent.
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Ooh, I'm freezing!
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When we decided to get married,
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I asked Sinéad then
to do the solo.
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And she sang "Evergreen,"
which was my favourite song.
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One love
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Ageless and ever
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Evergreen
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The emotion of the song
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almost brought people to tears.
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- It was stunning.
- It was absolutely stunning.
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In the congregation
was her brother, Paul Byrne,
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and then he was forming
this band called In Tua Nua.
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We were searching for a singer.
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So when I heard this voice,
it stopped me in my tracks.
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After chatting with Sinéad
on the steps of the church,
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I'd arranged to go up
and see her at An Grianan.
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We gave her a tape
and she phoned the next day.
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She had the lyrics
and the melody done.
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So we went back up the
next night and she sang it to us,
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and it was spectacular.
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We had to book a couple of
hours on a Wednesday afternoon
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because Sinéad got a half day
from school on a Wednesday.
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Picked her up, did two hours
of vocals with her,
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and then had her back before
the nuns noticed she was missing.
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So the first song that I wrote,
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which became their first single,
was called "Take My Hand."
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It was a result
of the punishment
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the nun meted out to me one day,
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the nun, she could
be terribly kind,
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but she could also be
terribly cruel as well.
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Where I was, was attached
to a Magdalene Laundry.
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She sent me to sleep in the
hospice part of the laundry
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as punishment a couple of times,
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to remind me that
if I didn't behave myself,
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I was going to end up
like these women.
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When I went up, there was
no staff there with the ladies.
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There was never
any nuns or nurses.
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And the poor ancient ladies
who were the Magdalene girls
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were lying in their beds
calling out for nurses all night
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that never came, it was awful.
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I didn't know what to do,
and obviously, I was terrified.
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Take my hand
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These women,
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we're now talking
about the early '80s,
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some of them have been
there from the 1920s.
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These women, who through
no fault of their own,
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had just been put in
by the courts and by men.
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Very often the cases were
they had been raped
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by maybe the local priest,
the doctor, the father,
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or some pillar of society.
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They had to pay the price
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and were locked away
for their whole lives.
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The whole of Ireland
talks about these ladies,
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but I met them, I met them
at their most vulnerable.
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These people convinced my
father that they could help me
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with whatever
behavioural issues I had
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as a result of what had
happened to me growing up.
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But they didn't, they just
shut the door in his face
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when he dropped me there,
they took his money.
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The problems were compounded.
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We all were walking around
thinking we were terrible people
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that didn't deserve to live.
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My father, I'm sure
the world would acknowledge,
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deserves a refund.
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Young woman
With a drink in her hand
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She liked to listen
To rock and roll
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She moves with the music
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'Cause it never gets old
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Sinéad and I met when we were
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both around 18 years old.
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We were very close
for a number of years
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until life kind of took us
in different directions.
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She really wanted
to be doing her music.
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I think she really knew
what she wanted to do,
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but I don't quite know
if she knew
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what path it would take her on.
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I put an ad
in Hot Press magazine
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that I was a singer and
I wanted to find a band to join.
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And I remember going
into these suburban houses,
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doing auditions for these
various different bands.
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Eventually I ended up meeting
this dude called Colm Farrelly
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who was
putting together this band.
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Ton Ton Macoute, so I became
the singer in that band.
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I had a job at the Bad Ass Cafe
on Crown Alley,
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and we used to rehearse
right across the road from it.
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We did nothing
but rehearse live,
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which is why I love
live performing.
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And every rehearsal
was like a gig.
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Nigel Grainge and Chris Hill
came over to Dublin
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to see us, Ton Ton Macoute.
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About six months later,
my mother unfortunately died,
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very selfishly.
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Months after that, I get a
phone call from Chris and Nigel.
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He said, "Well,
why don't you come to London
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and do some demos?"
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For five long years
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I thought you were my man
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But I found out
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I'm just a link
In your chain
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You got me
Where you want me
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I ain't nothin'
But your fool
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You treated me mean
265
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Oh, you treated me cruel
266
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I worked with Sinéad
from her arrival in London
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through to the development
of and the recording
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of her first album,
"Lion and the Cobra."
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Our job as a sort of group
of musicians from the outset
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was to help her
to find her feet.
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She'd already found her voice,
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but she wanted to find
the sort of musical clothing
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that she wanted to wrap
around that amazing voice.
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What's it called?
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Um, we haven't got
a name for it yet.
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So we went into
a rehearsal studio in Putney
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and started to routine the songs
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and get used to the dynamics
and arrangements.
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It makes a big difference
if you can go in
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and rehearse for a long time.
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Nigel Grange was the head
of Ensign at the time.
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He was quite used to putting
people into a position
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of being able to work
for long periods.
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So he's a kind of nurturer.
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I'm just as guilty as you
286
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I'm just as ashamed as you
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The first time
I heard Sinéad's voice,
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it's just unbelievable.
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It was jumping octaves
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and going from whisper
to scream in half a second.
291
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I mean, it was just amazing,
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a young kid from Dublin,
you know.
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And
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I'm just as guilty as you
295
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You often hear artists saying
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that they're
channelling something.
297
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I think actually
you're channelling yourself.
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Your subconscious
is talking to you.
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I just had these songs inside me
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that had to come out.
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They were very, very personal
302
00:19:17,070 --> 00:19:19,670
and they were
sort of cathartic, really.
303
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There were kind of songs
to help her, to heal her.
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In some respects,
I think the band that we were,
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the band of musicians
who were around her,
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were something of
a family for her.
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We were safe.
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Fachtna O'Ceallaigh had been
Boomtown Rats' manager
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and had run U2's label.
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He came over to London
and became Sinéad's manager.
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I had a great time
hanging out with Fachtna,
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and Fachtna used to bring me
to Portobello Road on Saturdays,
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where he had
his friend Lepkey, and Leroy.
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He used to have
the Dread Broadcasting Company
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and they had the open mics.
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Bearing in mind I'm Irish
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and I've come
from the theocracy,
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00:20:15,950 --> 00:20:17,470
and these guys were coming along
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roaring about the Pope
is the devil,
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and fucking burn the Vatican
and all this stuff,
321
00:20:20,990 --> 00:20:22,630
so that was like,
"Oh, my God, I'm home."
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I couldn't believe it.
323
00:20:24,270 --> 00:20:26,550
I fell in love with
Rasta at that point.
324
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Love to everyone. You're back
in tune to The Rankin' Miss P,
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on DBC, the Dread
Broadcasting Corporation,
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00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:44,550
103.8 every Friday.
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We're electric, y'all.
328
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She was really shy
329
00:20:58,750 --> 00:21:02,150
and she was living down
in east London with her auntie.
330
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She didn't know anyone,
and so we just hung out.
331
00:21:05,870 --> 00:21:08,310
We did a lot of driving
around London, you know,
332
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:11,310
with the stereo on, just having
a great time actually,
333
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just being kids, to be honest.
334
00:21:18,350 --> 00:21:23,870
Ensign wanted Sinéad
to be a musical commodity.
335
00:21:23,910 --> 00:21:26,190
They wanted me
to grow the hair long
336
00:21:26,190 --> 00:21:28,510
and wear short skirts
and high heels,
337
00:21:28,510 --> 00:21:30,470
makeup and the whole works,
338
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:32,230
write songs that wouldn't
challenge anything.
339
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:34,230
But then I come
from a country where
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00:21:34,270 --> 00:21:37,310
there used to be riots
in the streets over plays.
341
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That's what art is for.
342
00:21:43,310 --> 00:21:46,990
That led to her deciding
to shave off all her hair.
343
00:22:07,230 --> 00:22:09,230
At the time, I was
her closest female friend.
344
00:22:09,230 --> 00:22:12,110
I think... I went
to see some friends,
345
00:22:12,110 --> 00:22:14,150
and when I got back to her flat,
346
00:22:14,150 --> 00:22:16,070
she wouldn't open the door.
347
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:18,110
She just said,
"I can't, I can't.
348
00:22:18,150 --> 00:22:20,030
You got to look
through the letter box,
349
00:22:20,030 --> 00:22:21,910
I've done something
and you're going to kill me."
350
00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:23,750
I looked through the letterbox
and there she was
351
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:26,510
with a completely shaved head.
352
00:22:32,910 --> 00:22:35,030
The label were
trying to brand Sinéad
353
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with those really obvious
generic female labels.
354
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:40,470
Obviously she was having
absolutely none of it.
355
00:22:43,870 --> 00:22:45,550
You just looked at
somebody and went,
356
00:22:45,550 --> 00:22:47,990
"We know now what
we're dealing with."
357
00:22:50,110 --> 00:22:53,590
It's a powerful statement
for a woman because she says,
358
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:54,710
"Don't fuck with me."
359
00:22:59,750 --> 00:23:02,070
Me and John
were friends for a year
360
00:23:02,110 --> 00:23:04,510
before, you know, we ever
went out with each other.
361
00:23:04,550 --> 00:23:06,550
We were both going out with
different people and everything.
362
00:23:06,550 --> 00:23:08,110
And then we just kind
of drifted into it,
363
00:23:08,150 --> 00:23:09,710
and then within a month
I was pregnant.
364
00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:15,430
The record companies in
those days had their own doctors
365
00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:17,550
that they sent you to.
366
00:23:17,550 --> 00:23:20,430
The doctor announces that
the record company have spent
367
00:23:20,430 --> 00:23:22,150
a hundred thousand pounds
making your record,
368
00:23:22,150 --> 00:23:24,350
you owe it to them
not to have this baby.
369
00:23:26,030 --> 00:23:28,550
Ensign tried to dissuade her
370
00:23:28,550 --> 00:23:32,870
from carrying on the pregnancy
and giving birth to Jake,
371
00:23:32,910 --> 00:23:37,550
and thankfully, she
obviously stood her ground,
372
00:23:37,550 --> 00:23:41,190
but they did put pressure on
her to terminate the pregnancy.
373
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:45,070
That was the final straw for me.
374
00:23:45,070 --> 00:23:47,270
I was sick of the
fuckin' record anyway.
375
00:23:47,270 --> 00:23:48,430
I hated the fuckin' record.
376
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:53,710
There was a big fallout.
377
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:57,070
Fachtna O'Ceallaigh
was working very hard
378
00:23:57,070 --> 00:24:00,110
to persuade the label
to just give her scope,
379
00:24:00,110 --> 00:24:02,070
to just change tack.
380
00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:05,190
Basically they said,
"Have a go."
381
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:07,070
In my part,
it was a response to them
382
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:09,430
telling me I owe it to them
to not have my baby.
383
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:10,750
And I was like,
"well, it ain't worth it
384
00:24:10,750 --> 00:24:13,230
for a shit fuckin' record."
385
00:24:13,270 --> 00:24:16,270
I just knew that I didn't
want any man telling me
386
00:24:16,270 --> 00:24:19,630
who I could be or what I could
be or what to sound like.
387
00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:21,470
I came from
a patriarchal country
388
00:24:21,470 --> 00:24:23,670
where I'm being told
everything I can and can't do
389
00:24:23,670 --> 00:24:25,750
because I'm a girl.
390
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:28,070
I figured, well, if I didn't
take it from the system
391
00:24:28,110 --> 00:24:29,830
and I didn't take
it from my daddy,
392
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:31,710
I ain't taking it
from anybody else.
393
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:33,270
Can I do two?
394
00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:46,070
The whole of
"The Lion and the Cobra"
395
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:49,310
was completely scrapped
and we started again.
396
00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:52,430
That was a really important
turning point in that record.
397
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:57,550
The second version was fresher,
younger, and spontaneous.
398
00:24:57,550 --> 00:24:59,270
Put your hands on me
399
00:24:59,270 --> 00:25:05,030
Put 'em on, put 'em on
Put 'em on me
400
00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:13,910
Hands, gimme love
401
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:23,190
Hands, gimme those
402
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:28,790
I want your
403
00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:30,270
Gimme, yes
404
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:35,710
Gimme this
405
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:40,950
When we got
the first album cover,
406
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:43,150
I was frozen like a rabbit
in the headlights
407
00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:44,390
getting my picture taken.
408
00:25:46,750 --> 00:25:49,750
Put on the album and got me
to scream along with the album.
409
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:51,110
So that's why
there's the picture of me
410
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:52,750
looks like I'm screaming,
411
00:25:52,750 --> 00:25:54,270
which they wouldn't
use in America
412
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:55,590
because it was too
aggressive-looking
413
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:57,990
as far as they were concerned.
414
00:25:58,030 --> 00:25:59,390
I didn't realize
that they'd have to do
415
00:25:59,430 --> 00:26:01,310
a different one for America.
416
00:26:01,310 --> 00:26:02,910
It was only when it came out
and I thought,
417
00:26:02,910 --> 00:26:04,670
"Yeah, of course
they couldn't have
418
00:26:04,670 --> 00:26:06,430
a picture of her screaming."
419
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:09,510
You know, that would
scare too many people.
420
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:11,790
I had to photograph
her for the cover
421
00:26:11,790 --> 00:26:14,310
from the shoulders up
422
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:16,430
because the record company
didn't want to see her pregnant.
423
00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:18,230
Once we had got the pictures
424
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:21,030
that we knew
the record company needed,
425
00:26:21,030 --> 00:26:23,710
we just did what we wanted.
426
00:26:23,710 --> 00:26:26,150
It was, you know,
a joy to photograph
427
00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:28,750
this little girl with her
bald head and her big belly,
428
00:26:28,750 --> 00:26:31,710
amazing looking.
429
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:35,390
I think her image
screamed more than feminism,
430
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:37,110
beyond feminism at the time.
431
00:26:37,150 --> 00:26:40,910
I think it was just
like non-binary,
432
00:26:40,910 --> 00:26:46,310
incredible intersectional
feminist attitude.
433
00:26:46,350 --> 00:26:51,070
Her fashion sense was like
35 years ahead of the time.
434
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:56,070
People found it
problematic just because
435
00:26:56,070 --> 00:27:00,230
they read the language of
skinhead into the shaved head.
436
00:27:00,230 --> 00:27:03,150
It suggested some
kind of aggression,
437
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:05,390
but actually the beauty
of her features,
438
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:07,030
the quality of her eyes,
439
00:27:07,030 --> 00:27:10,910
it created a fantastic
contradiction.
440
00:27:10,910 --> 00:27:13,670
As a filmmaker, gave me
a very graphic, powerful image
441
00:27:13,670 --> 00:27:16,270
from the get-go.
442
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:17,870
Anytime I worked
with John Maybury,
443
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:19,390
it was amazing 'cos he came with
444
00:27:19,390 --> 00:27:22,470
a whole gang of glorious queens.
445
00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:27,110
The set makers, stylists,
the makeup people, you know,
446
00:27:27,150 --> 00:27:31,190
and they like
genuinely adored me.
447
00:27:39,550 --> 00:27:42,310
I felt so safe and looked after.
448
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:44,070
I felt like I had like
a hundred daddies.
449
00:27:49,550 --> 00:27:53,630
You do
450
00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:57,550
Something to me
451
00:28:01,030 --> 00:28:04,190
She recognized
in us kind of a sense of
452
00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:07,830
some kind of kindred spirit,
but there was no judgement.
453
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:11,430
There was no critiquing
in any kind of personal terms.
454
00:28:11,470 --> 00:28:14,470
And she was free to be who
she wanted to be within that
455
00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:18,670
because everyone else was free
to be who they wanted to be.
456
00:28:18,670 --> 00:28:21,750
I had never, until I went
to London, seen gay people.
457
00:28:21,790 --> 00:28:24,070
They were so inspiring
and still are to me,
458
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:26,470
especially the ones that
were dressing like women.
459
00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:30,110
You couldn't do that in Ireland.
460
00:28:30,150 --> 00:28:31,710
You'd have the shit kicked
out of you, you know?
461
00:28:35,150 --> 00:28:38,190
Let me live 'neath your spell
462
00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:42,270
Do do that voodoo
463
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:45,910
That you do so well
464
00:28:47,550 --> 00:28:52,430
For you do
465
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:56,630
Something to me
466
00:28:56,670 --> 00:29:01,030
That nobody else
467
00:29:01,030 --> 00:29:06,590
Can do
468
00:29:06,590 --> 00:29:11,630
That nobody else
469
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:19,070
Can do
470
00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:31,110
Why I like performing
and why I like singing loud
471
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:33,230
and stuff like that is because
472
00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:36,870
I am quietly spoken
and quite withdrawn...
473
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:40,350
and into myself, and in
my, sort of, normal life,
474
00:29:40,350 --> 00:29:43,670
so it's quite a release to climb
on the stage and scream for an hour.
475
00:29:43,710 --> 00:29:47,350
At the end of my day
476
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:49,230
Nothing would
477
00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:53,270
Nothing would
Please me better
478
00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:58,790
Than I find that you're there
When I wake
479
00:30:01,110 --> 00:30:05,110
Just like you
Said it would be
480
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:07,710
Just like you
Said it would be
481
00:30:09,670 --> 00:30:11,950
Just like you
Said it would be
482
00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:16,550
Just like you
Said it would be
483
00:30:18,190 --> 00:30:22,390
Will you be my lover?
484
00:30:22,390 --> 00:30:26,150
Will you be my mama?
485
00:30:26,150 --> 00:30:29,950
I said will you my my mama?
486
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:34,910
There are a lot
of songs that I've written
487
00:30:34,910 --> 00:30:38,270
about my mother's death
or in response to her death.
488
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:40,590
And " Troy," I think
was the first one.
489
00:30:42,270 --> 00:30:44,270
It's also the first song
I've wrote
490
00:30:44,270 --> 00:30:46,950
where I'm telling anybody
about anything that's happened.
491
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:48,950
I'll remember it
492
00:30:51,550 --> 00:30:55,390
Dublin in a rainstorm
493
00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:59,830
And sitting
In the long grass in summer
494
00:30:59,830 --> 00:31:03,070
Keeping warm...
495
00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:04,670
One of the very traumatic things
496
00:31:04,670 --> 00:31:06,430
that happened to me growing up,
497
00:31:06,430 --> 00:31:08,390
was that my mother
had me living in the garden.
498
00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:10,230
So once when I was
eight-and-a-half,
499
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:14,950
I lived in the garden
24/7 for a week or two.
500
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:17,470
I'm talking in that song
about that experience,
501
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:19,550
the whole thing of sitting
in the long grass in summer
502
00:31:19,550 --> 00:31:22,390
trying to keep warm.
503
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:24,510
So I'm out in the garden
in the fucking dark
504
00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:26,310
and when it's coming to dusk
and I still hate dusk
505
00:31:26,350 --> 00:31:28,230
to this day, I don't mind
if it's day or night,
506
00:31:28,270 --> 00:31:30,790
but dusk, I don't like.
507
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:32,790
And I'd be looking up
at the only window
508
00:31:32,790 --> 00:31:34,950
at the side of the house
where she'd have a light on
509
00:31:34,990 --> 00:31:37,470
and I'd be screaming,
begging her to let me in.
510
00:31:37,470 --> 00:31:39,070
And she wouldn't let me in,
the light would go off,
511
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:40,750
the house go dark.
512
00:31:43,710 --> 00:31:46,150
Every other song I'm writing
is about somebody else
513
00:31:46,150 --> 00:31:47,830
or from the point of view
of somebody else.
514
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:50,350
"Troy" is the first song
I've written about me.
515
00:31:50,390 --> 00:31:54,110
It's not a song,
it's a fucking testament.
516
00:31:56,950 --> 00:32:00,230
And you should've
Left the light on
517
00:32:00,230 --> 00:32:04,590
You should've
Left the light on
518
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:09,470
Then I wouldn't have tried
You'd never have known
519
00:32:12,750 --> 00:32:16,150
And I wouldn't have
Pulled you tighter
520
00:32:16,150 --> 00:32:20,190
No, I wouldn't have
Pulled you close
521
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:21,630
I wouldn't have screamed
522
00:32:21,670 --> 00:32:25,030
No, I can't let you go
523
00:32:25,030 --> 00:32:28,110
If the door wasn't closed
524
00:32:28,150 --> 00:32:31,990
No, I wouldn't have
Pulled you to me
525
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:36,070
No, I wouldn't have kissed
Your face
526
00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:38,830
You wouldn't have
Begged me to hold you
527
00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:43,390
If we hadn't been there
In the first place
528
00:32:43,390 --> 00:32:48,870
Oh, but I know you
Wanted me to be there
529
00:32:48,910 --> 00:32:52,310
Oh, oh
530
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:57,750
Every look
That you threw told me so
531
00:33:01,190 --> 00:33:02,950
"Troy" is not safe.
532
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:04,670
I don't need
to dig that up again.
533
00:33:04,670 --> 00:33:06,110
It's like trauma therapy.
534
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:10,230
There would've been
no point writing
535
00:33:10,270 --> 00:33:12,550
and/or going around
the world screaming "Troy"
536
00:33:12,550 --> 00:33:14,670
into microphones, if there
wasn't going to come a day,
537
00:33:14,670 --> 00:33:17,030
one day that I didn't
need to do that anymore.
538
00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:24,630
Make no difference
What you say
539
00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:26,550
You're still a liar
540
00:33:28,750 --> 00:33:30,550
You're still a liar
541
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:35,750
You're still a liar
542
00:33:49,270 --> 00:33:51,630
Sinéad was pregnant
all through the making
543
00:33:51,670 --> 00:33:53,270
of "The Lion and the Cobra"
544
00:33:53,310 --> 00:33:55,310
And I think in many
ways, actually,
545
00:33:55,310 --> 00:33:58,710
it was quite grounding
to have a baby very young.
546
00:33:58,710 --> 00:34:01,910
In some way, I think it
probably kept us sane.
547
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:08,110
There's nothing more deep
and real than a baby.
548
00:34:08,150 --> 00:34:09,990
And there's nothing more
fake and unimportant
549
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:13,230
than fame, really.
550
00:34:13,230 --> 00:34:15,150
Dana Dane making her first
appearance on Top of the Pops.
551
00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:17,110
Here's another lady making
her first appearance.
552
00:34:17,110 --> 00:34:18,670
She's got an excellent
new album out at the moment
553
00:34:18,670 --> 00:34:20,230
called "The Lion and the Cobra",
554
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:22,550
and a single Mandinka
at 22 in the charts.
555
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:24,390
This is Sinéad O'Connor.
556
00:34:26,670 --> 00:34:28,390
I remember watching
557
00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:30,110
Sinéad on Top of the Pops.
558
00:34:30,110 --> 00:34:32,710
It's just seemed quite
surreal to be honest,
559
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:34,830
because she was just my friend,
560
00:34:34,830 --> 00:34:39,510
but she was this other person
in other people's eyes.
561
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:44,790
I'm dancing the seven veils
562
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:48,790
Want you to pick up
My scarf
563
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:52,550
See how
The black moon fades
564
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:56,350
Soon I can give you
My heart
565
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:12,790
I don't know no shame
566
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:14,150
I feel no pain
567
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:18,950
I can't see the flame
568
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:25,870
But I do know Mandinka
569
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:33,990
I do know Mandinka
570
00:35:36,270 --> 00:35:41,470
I do know Mandinka
571
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:45,350
I do
572
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:50,710
When "Mandinka" was released,
573
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:52,550
it just jumps out of the
radio, it was one of those songs.
574
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:57,790
Oh, oh, oh
Oh, oh, oh
575
00:35:57,790 --> 00:36:02,670
I do, oh, oh, oh
576
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:09,670
I said I do
577
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:15,030
I swear I do...
578
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:16,830
You know, it was almost
like she had always been there
579
00:36:16,830 --> 00:36:19,350
once she came on the scene
because you really
580
00:36:19,350 --> 00:36:21,910
couldn't imagine your life
without her at that point.
581
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:26,070
I do Mandinka...
582
00:36:26,070 --> 00:36:29,910
I heard "Mandinka"
at a club in Boulder, Colorado.
583
00:36:29,950 --> 00:36:32,470
I just remember hearing
the voice and it's nothing
584
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:36,110
other than something
that stops you in your tracks.
585
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:38,470
Soon I can give
You my heart...
586
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:41,870
I hear that voice
and I feel comforted.
587
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:52,510
And that first album, like,
588
00:36:52,510 --> 00:36:55,390
the entire thing
was just stunning.
589
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:58,950
Telling me he'd be home
590
00:36:58,990 --> 00:37:02,630
Sailed the seas
For a hundred years
591
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:07,710
Leaving me all alone
592
00:37:07,710 --> 00:37:10,790
"The Lion and the Cobra"
was an amazing album
593
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:13,190
just because there
was no filler on it.
594
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:14,910
So as a critic, you know,
that was one of the first things
595
00:37:14,910 --> 00:37:16,870
that drew me to it.
596
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:19,990
She also has a very
singular voice and perspective
597
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:23,870
and very strong
personality-wise.
598
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:25,710
To me, it was like
the whole package.
599
00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:28,110
I remember the day
The young man came
600
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:31,830
He said, "Your Jackie's gone
We got lost in the rain"
601
00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:35,070
And I ran to the beach
602
00:37:35,070 --> 00:37:36,910
And laid me down...
603
00:37:36,910 --> 00:37:39,150
The thing about
"The Lion and the Cobra" is,
604
00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:42,510
you don't get that as
a debut album every day.
605
00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:45,470
Those things come
like once in a lifetime.
606
00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:47,070
Like the back of his hand
607
00:37:47,070 --> 00:37:49,990
He'll be back sometime
608
00:37:50,030 --> 00:37:52,070
Laughing at you...
609
00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:53,870
And many times
in your performances,
610
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:56,670
there's an intensity, almost
a rage burning inside of you.
611
00:37:56,670 --> 00:37:58,190
Where does that come from?
612
00:37:58,230 --> 00:38:00,670
You're a small, demure,
quiet sort of person.
613
00:38:00,670 --> 00:38:02,270
I don't know.
614
00:38:02,270 --> 00:38:03,590
Perhaps there's something
twisted about me
615
00:38:03,590 --> 00:38:06,190
that I haven't realized yet.
616
00:38:06,190 --> 00:38:08,830
You've also said that
non-traditional Irish musicians
617
00:38:08,830 --> 00:38:12,470
seem to have to leave
Ireland to make it.
618
00:38:12,510 --> 00:38:15,630
If you're a woman
in particular, and unless
619
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:18,830
you're very sort of timid
and you want to make
620
00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:21,630
nice Irish music,
which I respect and everything,
621
00:38:21,630 --> 00:38:23,430
life can be very difficult
for you because people
622
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:26,270
can't actually handle a woman
doing anything different.
623
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:34,230
When I leave Ireland,
it's virtually unheard of
624
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:36,630
for a woman to be
making her own living
625
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:38,710
and independent of men.
626
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:45,030
The Irish fucking constitution
still contains the wording
627
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:47,070
that a woman's place
is in the home.
628
00:38:47,070 --> 00:38:51,630
So I was very lucky, from 1985
I was making my own living.
629
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:54,670
So many people in this country,
women in particular,
630
00:38:54,670 --> 00:38:58,830
had to say no when they wanted
to say yes to themselves,
631
00:38:58,870 --> 00:39:01,710
or be open about their anger.
632
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:04,830
At that time in Ireland, women
weren't allowed to be angry.
633
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:06,670
And I think that might've
been hard for some of them
634
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:08,670
because, you know,
they had spent their whole life
635
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:10,390
saying no to themselves.
636
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:22,470
Tonight, the Grammy
awards are presenting
637
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:24,990
best rock vocal
performance female.
638
00:39:24,990 --> 00:39:27,070
Our first performer
is 21 years old,
639
00:39:27,110 --> 00:39:29,310
comes from Ireland
and with her very first album,
640
00:39:29,310 --> 00:39:31,670
"The Lion and the Cobra",
she has served notice
641
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:33,510
that this is no ordinary talent.
642
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:36,030
Ladies and gentlemen,
please meet Sinéad O'Connor.
643
00:39:51,830 --> 00:39:55,670
I'm dancing the seven veils
644
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:59,430
Want you to pick up
My scarf
645
00:39:59,430 --> 00:40:03,310
See how
The black moon fades
646
00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:06,990
Soon I can
Give you my heart...
647
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:08,910
I remember talking to
her the next day and she said,
648
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:12,230
"Oh, my God, I went
on stage and Stevie Wonder
649
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:14,870
was sitting in the front row."
650
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:18,790
And we were
Stevie Wonder freaks.
651
00:40:18,830 --> 00:40:21,390
So this was quite a leap,
you know.
652
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:23,750
I don't know no shame
653
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:25,270
I feel no pain
654
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:30,150
I can't see the flame
655
00:40:32,070 --> 00:40:37,750
But I do know Man-din-ka
656
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:42,150
You know,
you're there and you're looking
657
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:43,910
at all these people that
you've watched on the television
658
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:45,710
and there's people like
Quincy Jones and Stevie Wonder
659
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:47,350
and I was just like...
660
00:40:47,350 --> 00:40:51,150
I do know Mandinka...
661
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:53,350
As I sang Mandinka,
I had "Jake's baby girl"
662
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:55,870
on the back of my pants and
I had Public Enemy logo painted
663
00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:57,750
into the side of my head.
664
00:40:57,750 --> 00:41:00,030
They decided they
wouldn't go to the Grammy's
665
00:41:00,030 --> 00:41:02,390
quite rightly because
they were protesting.
666
00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:08,710
I protested the Grammy's in 1989
667
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:10,710
because they refused
to recognize
668
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:12,630
rap music and hip-hop
669
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:15,110
as a legitimate
musical category.
670
00:41:15,110 --> 00:41:17,710
I thought it was like admirable
671
00:41:17,710 --> 00:41:21,030
when she put the Public
Enemy logo on her head.
672
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:23,190
With Sinéad O'Connor,
you didn't get the sense
673
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:24,870
that she was
just being pretentious,
674
00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:26,550
that she was fake.
675
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:28,070
It was like, yeah,
676
00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:30,790
she seriously
has issues with this.
677
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:33,030
This is what's going
to drive her artistry,
678
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:34,390
she's committed to that.
679
00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:45,510
It was a brilliant performance.
680
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:47,750
At that point, she was
the darling of everyone.
681
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:54,870
In one way, I loved it.
682
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:57,270
Obviously I was
a very young woman
683
00:41:57,270 --> 00:42:00,030
and you kind of fantasize
about being famous.
684
00:42:00,070 --> 00:42:03,630
In another way,
I was frightened by it.
685
00:42:03,630 --> 00:42:06,030
What maybe was difficult
for me was the timing
686
00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:07,990
of the success thing,
it meant that I suddenly had
687
00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:12,070
this identity and I didn't
feel like it was really me.
688
00:42:12,070 --> 00:42:15,790
To be honest, I also had
very little self-esteem.
689
00:42:15,830 --> 00:42:18,710
I couldn't understand why
anyone liked my records.
690
00:42:22,350 --> 00:42:24,910
Let me tell you
how stupid I am. Um...
691
00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:26,990
Okay.
692
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:28,790
We were sitting here
doing this interview
693
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:31,510
and I had accepted the fact
that your head was shaved
694
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:34,190
and didn't even think
about it very much.
695
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:36,510
Well, that's good, that means
we don't have to talk about it.
696
00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:38,550
I know, but I see,
everybody else in America
697
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:40,310
is looking at me saying,
698
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:42,630
"Why doesn't that idiot ask her
why her head is shaved?"
699
00:42:42,670 --> 00:42:44,870
So now I'm doing it.
700
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:47,910
I just cut my hair because
I wanted to cut my hair, you know?
701
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:50,110
It's like, you know,
I wear red knickers one day
702
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:52,470
because I want to wear
red knickers, you know?
703
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:54,310
And then black another day.
704
00:42:54,310 --> 00:42:55,950
We wouldn't call those
knickers though, we'd call it...
705
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:57,750
No.
706
00:43:05,710 --> 00:43:09,910
We got married at the
spiritualist centre in Sloane Square
707
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:13,070
and we'd been going to
the spiritualist centre a lot
708
00:43:13,070 --> 00:43:15,630
because obviously,
Sinéad lost her mom,
709
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:17,830
I'd lost my dad and a sister.
710
00:43:17,830 --> 00:43:20,070
And we were kind
of trying to make
711
00:43:20,070 --> 00:43:23,830
some kind of spiritual
connections if we could.
712
00:43:23,830 --> 00:43:26,430
It was a sort of
a therapy for us in a way.
713
00:43:26,430 --> 00:43:29,950
We had an amazing time there,
so we got married there.
714
00:43:29,950 --> 00:43:31,710
It was brilliant,
it was a great day.
715
00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:48,670
In 1989, we filmed
Hush-a-Bye Baby in Derry.
716
00:43:48,670 --> 00:43:51,270
And it was in that
film Hush-a-Bye Baby
717
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:53,710
that Sinéad made
her acting debut.
718
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:57,270
She came over with John.
719
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:59,710
She was fairly newly married,
I think.
720
00:43:59,710 --> 00:44:01,710
She brought
her little son, Jake,
721
00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:04,270
who was just a toddler
at that stage.
722
00:44:04,310 --> 00:44:08,790
Of course, I only have
eyes for Lecce Loves.
723
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:18,830
Jesus Christ, Nigella.
724
00:44:18,830 --> 00:44:21,230
We'll be barred
and it'll be your fault.
725
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:23,710
Sloppy tit, going on
about what's his face.
726
00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:31,350
We were trying
to contribute to the debate
727
00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:35,070
that was raging in Ireland at
the time about abortion rights
728
00:44:35,070 --> 00:44:38,350
and women's sexuality and
how women were being treated.
729
00:44:38,350 --> 00:44:40,310
And I think she had
exactly the same feelings
730
00:44:40,350 --> 00:44:43,430
like so many thousands
of other women,
731
00:44:43,470 --> 00:44:46,830
especially young women.
732
00:44:46,830 --> 00:44:49,790
It's about a 15-year-old
school girl who gets pregnant
733
00:44:49,830 --> 00:44:53,470
and about the obvious
trauma and awfulness
734
00:44:53,470 --> 00:44:55,470
that she goes through
because of the fact
735
00:44:55,470 --> 00:44:57,470
that she's pregnant and the
fact that teenage pregnancy
736
00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:59,670
is just the worst thing
that could possibly happen
737
00:44:59,670 --> 00:45:02,550
and people aren't very
supportive about it in general.
738
00:45:02,590 --> 00:45:05,310
And girls are made
to feel as if they're sluts
739
00:45:05,310 --> 00:45:08,310
and they're some sort
of whore, you know,
740
00:45:08,310 --> 00:45:10,190
for sleeping with somebody
and things like that.
741
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:11,990
And because of things
like the church
742
00:45:12,030 --> 00:45:14,670
and the contraceptive laws
and all that sort of thing
743
00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:15,750
and the abortion laws.
744
00:45:21,150 --> 00:45:25,350
In the 80s and 90s and
obviously the decades before that,
745
00:45:25,350 --> 00:45:28,950
women were treated
abominably in Ireland.
746
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:34,870
Women's lives were patrolled
and investigated and surveilled
747
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:39,070
and tampered with
every minute of their lives.
748
00:45:39,110 --> 00:45:40,750
It was appalling.
749
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:47,710
There was
a sense of being in this
750
00:45:47,710 --> 00:45:49,830
little backward place, you know,
751
00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:51,790
where the light wasn't
really shining brightly
752
00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:53,870
and you couldn't
get contraception,
753
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:57,870
you couldn't get condoms,
so this was a big issue.
754
00:45:57,870 --> 00:46:01,150
You didn't talk about sex and you
certainly didn't talk about abortion.
755
00:46:04,270 --> 00:46:06,670
It's quite a similar story
to your own, isn't it?
756
00:46:06,670 --> 00:46:08,470
No.
757
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:10,630
You had a baby
when you were very young.
758
00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:14,870
Last time you told me that there
were certain attitudes in Ireland.
759
00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:16,550
Yeah, except I had
a baby when I was 20
760
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:18,550
and I was living in London
and I had enough money
761
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:20,990
to get a nanny and I had a
boyfriend who was living with me
762
00:46:20,990 --> 00:46:23,110
and I wasn't in school.
763
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:27,710
And I was in a society that
doesn't look down on pregnancy
764
00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:29,630
as much as Ireland does.
765
00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:33,590
So I don't think you can compare
that to a 15-year-old girl
766
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:36,630
who has no money
and no boyfriend and no support
767
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:38,070
from anybody,
you know what I mean?
768
00:46:38,110 --> 00:46:41,670
- I think I was in very...
- nice circumstances
769
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:44,030
compared to those girls.
770
00:46:53,310 --> 00:46:56,910
It seems years
Since you held the baby...
771
00:46:56,910 --> 00:46:58,630
When you put
your first album out,
772
00:46:58,670 --> 00:47:00,470
you don't really expect
anything to happen.
773
00:47:00,470 --> 00:47:03,070
You don't have any expectations
in you when you do that.
774
00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:07,030
You're not aware
of the whole world
775
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:08,910
of goodies and baddies
776
00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:11,350
to be discovered.
777
00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:14,630
And I remember I was quite
taken aback by the whole thing,
778
00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:17,590
amused at the idea of me
sitting and doing press conferences
779
00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:18,710
and things like that
because it was just
780
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:21,710
like completely ludicrous.
781
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:23,710
You know, at the time
that I had my baby
782
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:25,790
and put my album out I was 20,
783
00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:28,150
which was extremely young.
784
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:31,630
And now I'm 23 which
is still extremely young
785
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:36,230
and I'm still developing my
"personality", in inverted commas.
786
00:47:36,270 --> 00:47:39,270
And I'm still discovering
things about myself
787
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:41,430
and about the world, you know?
788
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:44,670
So naturally,
I'm not going to be the same
789
00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:46,150
as I was when I was 20.
790
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:51,830
When the album "I Do Not
Want What I Haven't Got",
791
00:47:51,830 --> 00:47:56,310
was finished, we took it
into Nigel Grange in Ensign
792
00:47:56,350 --> 00:47:59,310
and he said, "This is like
reading somebody's diaries.
793
00:47:59,350 --> 00:48:01,310
I'm not putting it out."
794
00:48:01,310 --> 00:48:03,230
Sinéad just said,
"Well, that's it,"
795
00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:05,990
you know, end of story.
796
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:07,670
Didn't compromise it in any way.
797
00:48:09,830 --> 00:48:12,710
Well, I am far more
proud of this album
798
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:14,270
than I was of the last one.
799
00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:16,390
I feel that it's much
more truly reflective
800
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:18,110
of me than the last one was.
801
00:48:18,110 --> 00:48:19,470
And I've had much
more involvement in it
802
00:48:19,470 --> 00:48:20,550
than I had in the last one.
803
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:25,230
The way she grew in confidence
804
00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:26,830
was something else.
805
00:48:28,750 --> 00:48:32,110
She's a powerful, sexual being.
806
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:36,990
I think she was enjoying
playing with the gender roles,
807
00:48:36,990 --> 00:48:38,910
the kind of toughness
of the leather jacket
808
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:42,030
and the toughness of denim
or the Dr. Martin boots
809
00:48:42,030 --> 00:48:46,310
or whatever it was that she
was bringing at the time.
810
00:48:46,350 --> 00:48:48,830
There's always
still this beautiful woman,
811
00:48:48,830 --> 00:48:50,430
beautiful girl inside of that.
812
00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:53,510
So she was playing
with gender herself.
813
00:48:57,830 --> 00:49:03,030
She came to understand
the nature of what we were doing
814
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:05,470
with pop videos and also,
obviously, at a certain point
815
00:49:05,470 --> 00:49:09,990
with a certain video, we came
to understand just how much
816
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:13,790
the videos could change
the perception of the music
817
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:15,150
and her as a musician.
818
00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:32,270
"The Nothing
Compares To You" video,
819
00:49:32,310 --> 00:49:35,870
she came back with all
the rushes on a VHS
820
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:38,030
and we've stuck it into the
video machine, I was watching it.
821
00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:41,110
And that's when I thought,
"Wow, this is really,
822
00:49:41,110 --> 00:49:42,710
really special."
823
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:50,030
The video was shot
both in studio and it was shot
824
00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:53,750
in the Parc Saint-Cloud,
which is this beautiful
825
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:56,950
18th-century park
just outside of Paris.
826
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:05,910
The extraordinary close-up
work that John did
827
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:09,310
with the lighting camerawoman,
Dominique Le Rigoleur,
828
00:50:09,310 --> 00:50:13,150
who we chose particularly
because we wanted a female
829
00:50:13,150 --> 00:50:17,710
to create a relationship
between Sinéad and the camera.
830
00:50:24,270 --> 00:50:26,350
In between takes,
831
00:50:26,350 --> 00:50:30,030
Sinéad would click on some
really heavy duty dub reggae
832
00:50:30,070 --> 00:50:32,750
and light up a spliff, and
be bopping around the studio.
833
00:50:36,070 --> 00:50:38,750
We weren't in a kind of
particularly sombre mood.
834
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:44,510
Looking into my monitor,
looking down that lens,
835
00:50:44,510 --> 00:50:48,390
I saw right there, this
connection coming down the camera...
836
00:50:49,590 --> 00:50:51,670
It was like, "Oh, okay,
837
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:54,550
this is really something else.
838
00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:57,590
It's not my direction,
it's not the cinematography,
839
00:50:57,590 --> 00:50:59,150
it's entirely her."
840
00:51:02,350 --> 00:51:04,310
If you don't
841
00:51:04,350 --> 00:51:06,710
identify emotionally
with a song, you can't sing it.
842
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:29,350
I didn't know I was
gonna cry singing it.
843
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:30,990
I didn't cry in the studio,
844
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:32,590
it was just because
of the big eye on me
845
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:34,270
in the form of a camera.
846
00:51:38,990 --> 00:51:41,630
Every time I sing the song,
I think of my mother.
847
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:46,910
I never stopped crying
for my mother for, Jesus,
848
00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:50,150
I couldn't face being
in Ireland for 13 years.
849
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:53,510
I never even called home,
I just cut myself off entirely
850
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:57,750
but it took me, I would say,
25 years to stop crying.
851
00:51:57,790 --> 00:52:01,070
So yeah, I was thinking of her
and I suppose my subconscious
852
00:52:01,070 --> 00:52:03,750
was thinking of that little
girl that sat in the garden.
853
00:52:08,910 --> 00:52:11,510
I think it's funny that
the world fell in love with me
854
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:13,790
because of crying and a tear.
855
00:52:13,830 --> 00:52:15,470
I went and did a lot of crying
856
00:52:15,470 --> 00:52:16,670
and everybody was like,
"Oh, you crazy bitch,"
857
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:18,710
but actually, hold on.
858
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:20,670
You fell in love with
that tear, that was a mirror.
859
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:32,550
Sit yourself down, well done.
860
00:52:32,550 --> 00:52:35,030
- The hair is growing!
- Just a little bit.
861
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:36,910
Just a little bit, a wee bit.
862
00:52:36,910 --> 00:52:38,430
How are you then?
863
00:52:38,430 --> 00:52:40,110
I'm grand, I'm a bit tired,
but I'm fine.
864
00:52:40,110 --> 00:52:41,750
- A little bit tired, yeah.
- So we're told.
865
00:52:41,790 --> 00:52:43,430
Good to see you. Will you
be number one on Monday?
866
00:52:43,470 --> 00:52:44,710
I don't know, you know.
867
00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:48,830
You're all very kind.
868
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:49,910
I don't want to
count my chickens.
869
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:52,150
You know what I mean?
870
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:54,670
Half of me sorta says,
oh, well, you know,
871
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:56,190
it doesn't really
make a difference,
872
00:52:56,190 --> 00:52:57,870
but then the other
half is sort of going,
873
00:52:57,870 --> 00:52:59,790
oh, please, God, please.-
874
00:52:59,790 --> 00:53:01,510
It would be nice, wouldn't it?
875
00:53:01,550 --> 00:53:02,950
We shouldn't even be
thinking about this.
876
00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:03,990
Shouldn't even be
thinking about it, okay.
877
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:05,750
When will you know?
878
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:07,830
Ten to three
on Sunday afternoon.
879
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:13,310
But I've got to try
not to think about it.
880
00:53:13,350 --> 00:53:15,030
The song went number one,
881
00:53:15,070 --> 00:53:18,070
everywhere in the world
pretty much.
882
00:53:18,070 --> 00:53:20,070
Then everything
changed overnight.
883
00:53:20,110 --> 00:53:23,910
- And the winner is...
- Sinéad O'Connor.
884
00:53:23,950 --> 00:53:26,110
- Sinéad O'Connor.
- Sinéad O'Connor.
885
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:30,510
I don't really know what to say,
886
00:53:30,510 --> 00:53:31,790
except thank you very much.
887
00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:34,710
You know, peace.
888
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:41,310
It's Sinéad O'Connor.
889
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:45,150
Sinéad,
"Nothing Compares To You."
890
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:49,670
The level of when
"Nothing Compares To You"
891
00:53:49,710 --> 00:53:51,430
became a hit was extraordinary.
892
00:53:51,470 --> 00:53:53,030
It really was off the scale.
893
00:53:54,270 --> 00:53:56,190
She was the biggest thing.
894
00:53:56,190 --> 00:53:57,630
I mean you think of artists
like Billie Eilish now
895
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:59,910
or Amy Winehouse,
896
00:53:59,910 --> 00:54:02,430
you know that level of
intensity that's on you.
897
00:54:02,430 --> 00:54:06,950
And also if you're incredibly
iconic in your look
898
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:08,950
and your style and your passion,
899
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:10,710
then there's a lot
of focus on you.
900
00:54:15,590 --> 00:54:18,510
I didn't realize how huge
the single and the album were.
901
00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:20,150
I really didn't.
902
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:21,590
And I looked in some
magazine the other day
903
00:54:21,630 --> 00:54:24,030
and it said that
the record had been
904
00:54:24,070 --> 00:54:27,310
something like the fourth
biggest record in America,
905
00:54:27,350 --> 00:54:28,830
I nearly dropped dead.
906
00:54:28,830 --> 00:54:30,630
I didn't have
the slightest idea.
907
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:32,870
The single
went to number one in America.
908
00:54:32,910 --> 00:54:35,670
She was suddenly a major act.
909
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:44,790
Hello!
910
00:54:47,590 --> 00:54:49,990
The tour got bigger and bigger
instead of theatres,
911
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:53,590
we got into arenas and stadiums.
912
00:54:55,470 --> 00:54:58,510
It seems like years
Since you held the baby
913
00:54:58,510 --> 00:55:01,830
While I wrecked the bedroom
914
00:55:01,870 --> 00:55:05,990
You said it was
Dangerous after Sunday
915
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:09,110
And I knew you loved me...
916
00:55:09,110 --> 00:55:11,390
She seemed
to take it all in her stride.
917
00:55:11,390 --> 00:55:13,790
There were some days
when she was sort of like,
918
00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:16,990
"Oh, this is a bit much," most of
the time she seemed to enjoy it.
919
00:55:16,990 --> 00:55:18,590
There was obviously
a feeling of like,
920
00:55:18,590 --> 00:55:20,190
"Oh, well, this is
going to be great."
921
00:55:20,190 --> 00:55:21,790
It was going to be good anyway,
922
00:55:21,830 --> 00:55:23,350
but this is going
to be really good.
923
00:55:34,270 --> 00:55:39,150
I am stretched
On your grave
924
00:55:39,150 --> 00:55:44,430
And will lie there forever
925
00:55:44,430 --> 00:55:49,550
If your hands were in mine
926
00:55:49,550 --> 00:55:54,310
I'd be sure we'd not sever
927
00:55:57,230 --> 00:56:03,590
My apple tree
My brightness
928
00:56:03,590 --> 00:56:09,030
It's time we were together
929
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:17,750
For I smell of the earth
930
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:23,670
And am worn
By the weather...
931
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:25,670
About halfway
through the tour,
932
00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:27,790
we did a place in New Jersey.
933
00:56:27,790 --> 00:56:29,870
It was an open air venue.
934
00:56:29,870 --> 00:56:32,230
For some reason,
935
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:33,790
they always played the National
Anthem before the main act.
936
00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:34,910
Sinéad got to hear
about it, and said
937
00:56:34,910 --> 00:56:37,350
"There's no way.
938
00:56:37,350 --> 00:56:39,670
I'm not going on stage if
you play the National Anthem."
939
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:42,870
So there was a bit of an
argument between management
940
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:45,070
and management of the venue,
941
00:56:45,070 --> 00:56:46,950
but in the end, the
venue relented, they said,
942
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:48,270
- "Alright, alright.
- If you don't want it played,
943
00:56:48,310 --> 00:56:50,710
we won't play it."
944
00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:52,710
And I thought, "Oh, this is
going to be everywhere tomorrow."
945
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:55,830
Going down to breakfast,
you hear the immortal words.
946
00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:58,190
"Oh, God, have you
seen the papers?"
947
00:56:58,190 --> 00:57:03,630
First, the explosion,
then the fallout.
948
00:57:03,630 --> 00:57:06,070
Hi, 95.5 PLJ, it's Fast Jimmy,
949
00:57:06,070 --> 00:57:09,070
and you will hear no Sinéad
O'Connor on this radio station.
950
00:57:09,070 --> 00:57:11,110
Sinéad O'Connor is being shaved
951
00:57:11,110 --> 00:57:13,630
from the airwaves because
of a recent refusal
952
00:57:13,630 --> 00:57:16,830
to perform in concert if the
National Anthem was played.
953
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:18,910
With American soldiers
on foreign soil
954
00:57:18,910 --> 00:57:20,550
poised for conflict,
955
00:57:20,590 --> 00:57:22,910
patriotism is running
at fever pitch.
956
00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:25,110
We decided Monday morning,
that since we played
957
00:57:25,150 --> 00:57:26,910
the National Anthem
on our station
958
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:29,190
to support the troops
over in the Middle East,
959
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:30,790
that she probably
wouldn't welcome
960
00:57:30,790 --> 00:57:32,110
being played on
our station either.
961
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:33,790
The wrong time, the wrong place
962
00:57:33,790 --> 00:57:35,710
and the wrong way
to throw a tantrum.
963
00:57:35,710 --> 00:57:36,830
Someone should just
have said to her,
964
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:38,070
within her own management,
965
00:57:38,110 --> 00:57:40,230
"Sinéad, shut up."
966
00:57:40,270 --> 00:57:42,230
You don't like America,
then get the hell out.
967
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:44,550
My opinion is she
should go back to Ireland
968
00:57:44,550 --> 00:57:46,510
or wherever the
hell she is from.
969
00:57:46,510 --> 00:57:50,110
Don't tell my country, you
can't play the National Anthem.
970
00:57:50,110 --> 00:57:54,310
I didn't put the marine green on to
listen to some bald-headed Irish girl
971
00:57:54,310 --> 00:57:56,670
tell me I can't hear
my National Anthem.
972
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:59,390
She wants the money,
the fame and the glorification.
973
00:57:59,390 --> 00:58:01,870
But she's going to have to
be sensitive to some issues.
974
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:04,350
One extreme
patriot is Frank Sinatra,
975
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:06,710
who said he would
like to kick her ass.
976
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:09,150
"At his age, he couldn't
lift his leg high enough
977
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:11,470
to kick her ass", says
Sinéad's father, John O'Connor.
978
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:16,670
As soon as someone highlighted
979
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:18,390
that it had to be played,
she would say,
980
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:20,030
- "- Well, you can't censor me.
- This is my show
981
00:58:20,070 --> 00:58:22,670
and why are you
telling me what to do?"
982
00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:25,190
America is the land of free
speech, and they're telling her
983
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:28,310
she's not allowed
to have her free speech.
984
00:58:28,310 --> 00:58:33,110
- Issue number 3, the bald chick.
- What's with her head?
985
00:58:33,110 --> 00:58:36,030
- Let's start with the chick.
- What gives, Cue ball?
986
00:58:36,070 --> 00:58:39,230
I'm looking at you. I'm thinking
14 in the side pocket.
987
00:58:42,830 --> 00:58:44,550
I can't believe you're talking
988
00:58:44,550 --> 00:58:46,590
about my hair with all
the bloody starvation
989
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:48,830
and the suffering in
the world right now.
990
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:55,670
- Come on, swing baby, you're platinum.
- Forget the head.
991
00:58:55,710 --> 00:58:58,870
Put a bag over it
and do your business.
992
00:58:58,870 --> 00:59:00,790
I think that,
certainly, the industry
993
00:59:00,790 --> 00:59:03,910
can be extremely patronizing
towards women.
994
00:59:03,950 --> 00:59:06,110
You're supposed to have
long hair wear push-up bras
995
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:09,230
and lip gloss, you know,
and shut up and sing.
996
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:11,830
Maybe if I was a man, there
wouldn't be such a fuss about it
997
00:59:11,830 --> 00:59:13,550
you know what I mean?
998
00:59:13,590 --> 00:59:15,270
It's just not expected
of women, I don't know.
999
00:59:15,310 --> 00:59:18,990
But then nothing about me,
particularly, in people's minds,
1000
00:59:18,990 --> 00:59:22,230
conforms to what a woman
should conform to.
1001
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:23,870
But I don't know if it's
so much a conscious problem
1002
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:26,310
that they have
because I'm a woman.
1003
00:59:26,310 --> 00:59:30,910
I think it's because I'm not
a conformist on any level.
1004
00:59:30,910 --> 00:59:33,070
You know what I mean?
1005
00:59:33,070 --> 00:59:34,190
Tell me about this row
about the National Anthem,
1006
00:59:34,190 --> 00:59:36,310
were you right to get into that?
1007
00:59:36,350 --> 00:59:38,550
I don't think it was a situation
being wrong or right.
1008
00:59:38,550 --> 00:59:40,590
It was a situation of,
I acted at the time
1009
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:44,430
in the way that I felt
would be most true to myself.
1010
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:46,350
I didn't mean to offend anybody.
1011
00:59:46,350 --> 00:59:50,030
I did it because
I have a huge problem
1012
00:59:50,030 --> 00:59:51,510
with the censorship movement
1013
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:52,750
that's happening
in America at the moment.
1014
00:59:52,750 --> 00:59:54,750
It has terrible implications.
1015
00:59:54,750 --> 00:59:56,630
The idea that artists, you know,
1016
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:58,790
painters, photographers,
musicians, poets,
1017
00:59:58,830 --> 01:00:00,350
and people like that
1018
01:00:00,350 --> 01:00:02,030
are being told what
they may and may not say
1019
01:00:02,070 --> 01:00:03,750
and what they may
or may not write about.
1020
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:05,710
- Where is that happening?
- -In America,
1021
01:00:05,710 --> 01:00:08,830
in particular among the
Black community it's happening.
1022
01:00:08,830 --> 01:00:10,750
So, I have two problems with it.
1023
01:00:10,750 --> 01:00:12,830
First of all, that I don't
think censorship should happen
1024
01:00:12,830 --> 01:00:14,510
at all to anybody.
1025
01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:15,710
But secondly, I think
that a lot of the time
1026
01:00:15,710 --> 01:00:16,910
there's a lot of White artists
1027
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:18,750
who are very offensive as well,
1028
01:00:18,750 --> 01:00:20,150
and they don't get censored.
1029
01:00:20,190 --> 01:00:22,270
So it leaves me
thinking that it's
1030
01:00:22,270 --> 01:00:25,030
a slightly racist
problem as well.
1031
01:00:25,070 --> 01:00:27,030
So, you know,
if it happened now,
1032
01:00:27,070 --> 01:00:29,470
I might've reacted
in a different way,
1033
01:00:29,470 --> 01:00:31,750
I didn't realize that people
would take such offence to it.
1034
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:34,510
- Because I didn't mean offence.
- You know what I mean?
1035
01:00:34,510 --> 01:00:35,870
The problem is that
a lot of people would say,
1036
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:37,910
well, you didn't
not take the money.
1037
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:39,350
You know, if they
asked me for the money,
1038
01:00:39,350 --> 01:00:40,870
I would gladly
have given it to them.
1039
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:42,190
- You would, you would.
- All the money?
1040
01:00:42,190 --> 01:00:44,470
- Absolutely.
- All the money, Sinéad?
1041
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:47,110
Can't go through life
giving back the money.
1042
01:00:47,150 --> 01:00:48,710
I don't perform or make
records or do anything
1043
01:00:48,750 --> 01:00:50,150
in order to make money.
1044
01:00:50,190 --> 01:00:51,390
It's not the thing that I hold
1045
01:00:51,390 --> 01:00:53,470
most important in my life.
1046
01:00:53,470 --> 01:00:55,590
Well, I heard that she
doesn't like Ireland
1047
01:00:55,590 --> 01:00:58,390
and she doesn't like the USA.
1048
01:00:58,390 --> 01:01:00,990
So they're going to be
handing out American flags.
1049
01:01:01,030 --> 01:01:04,070
So we're going to wave it at her
and see what she does.
1050
01:01:04,070 --> 01:01:06,750
Controversy surrounds
her wherever she is.
1051
01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:07,870
Why do you think that is?
1052
01:01:07,870 --> 01:01:09,710
Just because of who she is.
1053
01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:12,230
- I don't think she gets a fair...
- because of the way she looks,
1054
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:13,710
I don't think people
treat her fairly.
1055
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:17,670
It's a very patriotic country.
1056
01:01:17,710 --> 01:01:19,710
And a lot of people
have been told
1057
01:01:19,710 --> 01:01:23,030
that I have some sort of
anti-American feeling,
1058
01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:25,430
which is very irresponsible
on behalf of the media,
1059
01:01:25,470 --> 01:01:29,270
because that does
put a person in a situation
1060
01:01:29,310 --> 01:01:30,990
where literally
their life could be at risk.
1061
01:01:30,990 --> 01:01:32,510
You know what I mean?
1062
01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:36,790
When the press
started to attack her
1063
01:01:36,790 --> 01:01:39,270
that was really difficult.
1064
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:43,310
They arrived at the door
in London and Jake was with me
1065
01:01:43,310 --> 01:01:45,510
and he was only very young
1066
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:47,710
and they started
to fire questions,
1067
01:01:47,710 --> 01:01:49,910
you know, while
Jake was next to me.
1068
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:52,750
- And I just, I just was...
- I was absolutely furious.
1069
01:01:57,910 --> 01:02:03,310
Margaret Thatcher on TV
1070
01:02:03,310 --> 01:02:08,470
Shocked by the deaths
That took place in Beijing...
1071
01:02:08,510 --> 01:02:11,070
She's always championed justice.
1072
01:02:11,070 --> 01:02:13,070
You know,
if something wasn't right,
1073
01:02:13,070 --> 01:02:15,750
she would step in and try
and do something about it.
1074
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:20,630
Listen, this song that I heard,
1075
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:22,310
"Black Boys on Mopeds"
1076
01:02:22,310 --> 01:02:24,510
about the treatment
of Black people in England.
1077
01:02:24,510 --> 01:02:27,550
Very political, Sinéad.
1078
01:02:27,550 --> 01:02:29,270
Well you can't really
talk about racism
1079
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:30,790
without being political.
1080
01:02:30,790 --> 01:02:33,910
Yes. True, true.
1081
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:35,550
England's not
The mythical land
1082
01:02:35,550 --> 01:02:38,830
Of Madame George and roses
1083
01:02:38,830 --> 01:02:42,070
It's the home of police
1084
01:02:42,070 --> 01:02:45,870
Who kill Black boys
On mopeds
1085
01:02:45,870 --> 01:02:48,910
And I love my boy
1086
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:52,870
And that's why I'm leaving
1087
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:56,510
I don't want him
To be aware that there's
1088
01:02:56,510 --> 01:03:00,510
Any such thing as grieving
1089
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:08,270
Young mother
Down at Smithfield
1090
01:03:08,310 --> 01:03:12,670
5:00 a.m., looking for food
For her kids...
1091
01:03:12,670 --> 01:03:14,670
We were
living in Stoke Newington
1092
01:03:14,710 --> 01:03:17,510
when she wrote that song,
you know, it was around us,
1093
01:03:17,550 --> 01:03:21,270
you know, that kind of police
versus the Black community.
1094
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:22,910
It was ugly at that point,
1095
01:03:22,910 --> 01:03:24,910
particularly in
that part of London.
1096
01:03:24,910 --> 01:03:26,870
The police
are picking on children!
1097
01:03:26,910 --> 01:03:28,310
I write songs about things
1098
01:03:28,350 --> 01:03:30,270
that I feel strongly about.
1099
01:03:30,310 --> 01:03:32,150
It's not consciously
to write a political song
1100
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:33,670
or consciously to make
a statement about anything.
1101
01:03:33,710 --> 01:03:36,150
And I think that that's
what every person's duty
1102
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:39,710
to themselves is, is to act
on their feelings and to say,
1103
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:42,190
when they think
something's wrong.
1104
01:03:42,190 --> 01:03:44,030
It doesn't matter whether they're, you
know, a singer, or whatever they are.
1105
01:03:44,030 --> 01:03:46,070
Yes, and take the consequences.
1106
01:03:46,110 --> 01:03:47,350
I imagine so.
1107
01:03:52,510 --> 01:03:54,310
I'm an Irish artist,
1108
01:03:54,350 --> 01:03:55,870
and there's a tradition
among Irish artists
1109
01:03:55,870 --> 01:03:57,830
of being agitators
and activists.
1110
01:03:57,870 --> 01:03:59,870
You know, whether
they're playwrights or poets.
1111
01:04:02,070 --> 01:04:04,870
An artists job
is sometimes to create
1112
01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:07,710
the difficult conversations
that need to be had.
1113
01:04:07,710 --> 01:04:09,430
And it's none of my business,
1114
01:04:09,470 --> 01:04:11,550
what anyone thinks of me
when I do that.
1115
01:04:16,310 --> 01:04:18,430
The right to choose an abortion,
1116
01:04:18,430 --> 01:04:21,350
the right to information
on where to obtain one.
1117
01:04:21,350 --> 01:04:24,110
In Dublin's O'Connell street,
singer Sinéad O'Connor
1118
01:04:24,110 --> 01:04:28,030
speaks out against her
country's stringent abortion laws.
1119
01:04:28,070 --> 01:04:31,270
Abortion will be legalized
in this country very soon.
1120
01:04:31,310 --> 01:04:33,070
Let's have another referendum
1121
01:04:33,110 --> 01:04:36,110
when only women
of childbearing age vote
1122
01:04:36,110 --> 01:04:38,870
for the right to choose
their own destiny.
1123
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:41,310
What I believe is that
you cannot take away
1124
01:04:41,310 --> 01:04:43,070
a person's right to choose.
1125
01:04:43,070 --> 01:04:45,750
It is not a pro-abortion
or an anti-abortion issue.
1126
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:47,950
The issue is
the right to choose.
1127
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:50,590
The church deliberately
distract us from that,
1128
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:53,790
by making it into
an either anti or for,
1129
01:04:53,790 --> 01:04:55,630
- you know what I mean?
- But it's not that.
1130
01:04:55,630 --> 01:04:57,590
It's the right to choose
your own destiny.
1131
01:04:57,590 --> 01:04:59,270
And it's none of
anybody else's business,
1132
01:04:59,270 --> 01:05:02,310
not your mother or your father
or anybody else.
1133
01:05:02,310 --> 01:05:03,430
Or your priest.
1134
01:05:06,310 --> 01:05:08,550
I never felt
that Sinéad would cave
1135
01:05:08,590 --> 01:05:11,990
to any pressure. Ever.
1136
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:17,430
Then she just seemed to become
really controversial about everything.
1137
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:19,310
Two weeks before the Grammys,
1138
01:05:19,310 --> 01:05:21,670
O'Connor threw down
the gauntlet to her peers
1139
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:24,030
announcing she would not
attend the ceremonies
1140
01:05:24,030 --> 01:05:26,470
because the music industry
was driven by greed
1141
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:28,230
and artists
were not speaking out
1142
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:30,310
against the war in the Gulf.
1143
01:05:30,350 --> 01:05:32,870
It is the creative community
that are driven by greed.
1144
01:05:32,910 --> 01:05:34,670
That's why none of them
are saying anything
1145
01:05:34,670 --> 01:05:36,030
because
they're afraid their careers
1146
01:05:36,030 --> 01:05:37,630
are going to be in jeopardy.
1147
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:40,390
It's why nobody has said
anything about the war.
1148
01:05:40,430 --> 01:05:42,710
When Sinéad refused
to perform at the Grammys,
1149
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:44,990
I was under a lot of pressure
to change her mind.
1150
01:05:45,030 --> 01:05:47,750
As if that were even possible.
1151
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:50,390
It wasn't like
threatening-threatening,
1152
01:05:50,430 --> 01:05:54,710
but I felt that my career
could certainly be in jeopardy,
1153
01:05:54,750 --> 01:05:56,310
and Sinéad's as well.
1154
01:05:56,350 --> 01:05:58,190
These were powerful people
in the industry.
1155
01:06:01,510 --> 01:06:04,430
I didn't think that the
powers that be were ready for her.
1156
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:08,070
Where she's from,
1157
01:06:08,070 --> 01:06:12,590
artists had always
stepped forward and said things,
1158
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:15,350
but maybe in different genres,
1159
01:06:15,390 --> 01:06:18,830
and not so much
as a pop superstar.
1160
01:06:18,830 --> 01:06:21,950
And Sinéad O'Connor, well,
she was becoming a pop superstar.
1161
01:06:28,030 --> 01:06:30,910
Okay, so this is my favourite
place in the universe,
1162
01:06:30,910 --> 01:06:32,830
which is St. Mark's place.
1163
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:34,950
All the Rastas live there,
1164
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:36,630
and all the Irish people
live here, which is why I like it,
1165
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:37,910
because Rastas and Irish
people should live together,
1166
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:39,910
since they're both the same.
1167
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:41,470
And this is Siné.
1168
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:47,270
The object of my game coming
into the music business was
1169
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:50,870
I really saw it as something
like a bit of a chess game.
1170
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:52,950
Could I get from one side
of the board to the other
1171
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:55,310
and still be myself
and still be true to my reasons
1172
01:06:55,310 --> 01:06:57,230
for being in the music business?
1173
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:59,350
And also, I suppose,
spiritually true to myself,
1174
01:06:59,390 --> 01:07:01,350
do you know what I mean?
1175
01:07:01,390 --> 01:07:02,790
The music business can be
a bit of a vampiric arena.
1176
01:07:02,790 --> 01:07:04,310
That's Charlie.
1177
01:07:04,310 --> 01:07:06,110
The first one's Charlie,
and that's Charlton.
1178
01:07:06,110 --> 01:07:08,230
- Say hello to Jake.
- Hi, Jake.
1179
01:07:08,270 --> 01:07:09,750
Gary.
1180
01:07:09,790 --> 01:07:11,030
- Yes?
- Say hello to Jake.
1181
01:07:11,070 --> 01:07:12,350
- Him Jake.
- That's Gary.
1182
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:13,390
Maybe we'll get
to see you, Jake.
1183
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:14,590
He's really mad.
1184
01:07:14,590 --> 01:07:17,190
Hi, Jake, how're you doing?
1185
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:20,910
- Say hello to Jake.
- Jake. How are you?
1186
01:07:20,910 --> 01:07:22,670
You can go around
trying to please everyone
1187
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:24,990
as if you're in
a popularity contest,
1188
01:07:24,990 --> 01:07:27,270
and yeah, that might get
you lots and lots of money,
1189
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:29,590
but that's not necessarily
going to be keeping the contract
1190
01:07:29,590 --> 01:07:30,790
that you made with yourself.
1191
01:07:38,030 --> 01:07:39,470
That was the last one,
wasn't it?
1192
01:07:39,470 --> 01:07:41,030
That was the very last one.
1193
01:07:41,030 --> 01:07:43,270
Okay, can we go on
from a bit before?
1194
01:07:43,310 --> 01:07:46,030
- Yes.
- - I didn't want to fall into that trap then
1195
01:07:46,070 --> 01:07:48,430
of you know, the follow up
album to the number one, single.
1196
01:07:48,430 --> 01:07:50,470
And so I was kind of buying
myself some time really,
1197
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:52,270
creatively speaking.
1198
01:07:52,270 --> 01:07:53,910
Because you've had
that hit record,
1199
01:07:53,950 --> 01:07:55,750
all of a sudden
you could go in there
1200
01:07:55,750 --> 01:07:57,270
and tell them you want
to make a record of farts,
1201
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:58,270
and they'll say,
"Yeah, sure. Okay."
1202
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:06,190
Let's listen back and make
sure we love this arrangement.
1203
01:08:06,190 --> 01:08:09,510
- Okay?
- - I think there's a huge pressure from labels
1204
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:12,270
when an artist has
a worldwide number one.
1205
01:08:12,270 --> 01:08:15,270
And I think with the,
"Am I Not Your Girl" album,
1206
01:08:15,310 --> 01:08:18,830
this was a great antidote,
really to what happened.
1207
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:23,710
And it had the most amazing
team of arrangers, musicians,
1208
01:08:23,710 --> 01:08:26,910
and of course, legendary
Phil Ramone producing.
1209
01:08:26,910 --> 01:08:29,910
It was just such
a joy that record.
1210
01:08:44,830 --> 01:08:48,310
We used to go out walking
1211
01:08:48,310 --> 01:08:51,750
Hand in hand
1212
01:08:51,750 --> 01:08:55,430
You told me all
The big things
1213
01:08:55,470 --> 01:08:58,510
You had planned...
1214
01:08:58,510 --> 01:09:00,110
I did love the record,
and I loved making it.
1215
01:09:00,150 --> 01:09:02,270
It was just astonishing
being in a room
1216
01:09:02,270 --> 01:09:03,990
with that band every day.
It was just like, "Oh, my God."
1217
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:05,550
I was quite
intimidated actually.
1218
01:09:05,550 --> 01:09:07,470
I was quite scared
to open my mouth
1219
01:09:07,470 --> 01:09:09,310
because the band were just
so ridiculously brilliant
1220
01:09:09,350 --> 01:09:12,670
and I couldn't see myself
as being anyway good.
1221
01:09:12,670 --> 01:09:16,150
Am I not your girl?
1222
01:09:16,190 --> 01:09:19,670
Am I not your girl?
1223
01:09:19,670 --> 01:09:22,510
Am I not your girl?
1224
01:09:22,510 --> 01:09:24,830
Am I not.
1225
01:09:30,670 --> 01:09:33,110
There were things
going on in my own life.
1226
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:34,910
Things I was discovering
that my mother had done
1227
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:37,030
that I didn't know about.
1228
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:40,990
And then I had come across
an article about families
1229
01:09:40,990 --> 01:09:43,310
who had been trying
to lodge complaints
1230
01:09:43,310 --> 01:09:45,710
against the church
for sexual abuse
1231
01:09:45,710 --> 01:09:47,950
and were being silenced.
1232
01:09:50,510 --> 01:09:54,630
Basically fucking everything I
had been raised to believe was a lie.
1233
01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:57,470
You know, that everything about
the Catholic church was a lie.
1234
01:09:59,310 --> 01:10:04,670
Ave, ave, ave Maria
1235
01:10:04,710 --> 01:10:07,350
At the end of the line
of bishops, walked the Pope.
1236
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:10,390
And as the crowd noticed him,
they broke into cheering and clapping.
1237
01:10:13,710 --> 01:10:16,550
I took two things
out of my mother's house.
1238
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:18,070
One was her cookery book,
1239
01:10:18,110 --> 01:10:20,150
and the next was
a picture of the Pope,
1240
01:10:20,190 --> 01:10:22,790
which had been
on her bedroom wall.
1241
01:10:22,830 --> 01:10:25,110
Young people of Ireland,
1242
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:27,710
I love you.
1243
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:34,350
He didn't fucking love me.
1244
01:10:34,350 --> 01:10:36,670
And I could fuckin' cry
right now saying it.
1245
01:10:37,950 --> 01:10:39,790
You know, it was such a lie.
1246
01:10:39,790 --> 01:10:41,870
Now we know what a lie that was.
1247
01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:43,950
He was so involved
in covering up
1248
01:10:43,950 --> 01:10:46,750
what happened to everybody.
1249
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:48,830
And I had a right
to fight that evil
1250
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:50,990
because I loved the church.
1251
01:10:50,990 --> 01:10:52,710
I'm going to go on
Saturday Night Live
1252
01:10:52,750 --> 01:10:54,350
and I've got fuck all to lose
1253
01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:55,830
because no one could
do jack shit to me
1254
01:10:55,870 --> 01:10:57,430
that hasn't been done already.
1255
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:12,150
I had booked her
on Saturday Night Live.
1256
01:11:12,150 --> 01:11:14,110
Now this was for
her third record,
1257
01:11:14,150 --> 01:11:17,950
which was,
"Am I Not Your Girl."
1258
01:11:17,950 --> 01:11:20,910
It's a great booking,
the record was just coming out,
1259
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:23,790
and this would really help it.
1260
01:11:23,790 --> 01:11:25,910
Ladies and gentlemen,
Sinéad O'Connor.
1261
01:11:35,390 --> 01:11:39,150
Until the philosophy
1262
01:11:39,150 --> 01:11:42,510
Which holds one
Race superior
1263
01:11:42,510 --> 01:11:46,270
And another
1264
01:11:46,270 --> 01:11:49,150
Inferior
1265
01:11:49,150 --> 01:11:51,910
Is finally
1266
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:54,910
And permanently
1267
01:11:54,910 --> 01:11:56,950
Discredited...
1268
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:58,990
The song is also very important.
1269
01:11:58,990 --> 01:12:01,030
You know, it's a Rastafari song.
1270
01:12:04,030 --> 01:12:05,990
It's a speech that
the Emperor Haile Selassie
1271
01:12:06,030 --> 01:12:08,710
had made at the United Nations,
and then Bob Marley
1272
01:12:08,750 --> 01:12:10,950
turned it into a song.
1273
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:14,870
First class and second class
Citizens of any nation
1274
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:17,910
Until the colour Of a man's skin
1275
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:20,830
Is of no more significance
1276
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:22,790
Than the colour of his eyes
1277
01:12:22,830 --> 01:12:24,750
I've got to say war...
1278
01:12:24,750 --> 01:12:26,270
...war
1279
01:12:26,270 --> 01:12:29,710
War in the east
1280
01:12:29,710 --> 01:12:32,950
War in the west
1281
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:36,070
War up north
1282
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:39,230
War down south
1283
01:12:39,230 --> 01:12:42,110
There's war
1284
01:12:42,150 --> 01:12:45,670
And rumours of war
1285
01:12:45,670 --> 01:12:48,150
Until that day
1286
01:12:48,150 --> 01:12:53,950
There is no continent
Which will know peace
1287
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:59,470
Children, children
1288
01:12:59,470 --> 01:13:01,470
Fight
1289
01:13:01,510 --> 01:13:04,870
We find it necessary
1290
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:08,150
We know we will win
1291
01:13:08,190 --> 01:13:11,070
We have confidence
1292
01:13:11,070 --> 01:13:13,750
In the victory
1293
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:16,670
Of good
1294
01:13:16,670 --> 01:13:21,830
Over evil
1295
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:26,710
Fight the real enemy.
1296
01:13:33,710 --> 01:13:36,750
Nobody knows what to do.
1297
01:13:36,750 --> 01:13:39,950
My blood has run cold.
1298
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:42,510
She blows a candle out,
she goes off stage,
1299
01:13:42,510 --> 01:13:45,110
she goes into her dressing room
and she's so happy.
1300
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:47,230
You know,
she had pulled this off.
1301
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:50,310
And I had gone into
the dressing room after her,
1302
01:13:50,350 --> 01:13:53,310
and I said, "You know,
I can't get you out of this."
1303
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:55,750
- And she said, "You know what?
- I don't want you to."
1304
01:13:58,550 --> 01:14:00,390
What effect do you think
1305
01:14:00,390 --> 01:14:01,710
this is gonna have on
your career, Sinéad?
1306
01:14:02,910 --> 01:14:05,070
I don't know.
1307
01:14:05,070 --> 01:14:07,030
Do you care?
1308
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:10,670
Um, well, it depends on
what you mean by...
1309
01:14:10,670 --> 01:14:13,230
- I don't know.
- You'd have to say what you meant.
1310
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:16,070
Do you think what you have done
1311
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:18,470
will make you more popular
with your fans?
1312
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:20,230
Less popular with your fans?
1313
01:14:20,230 --> 01:14:24,470
Or will it just be something
that Sinéad O'Connor did
1314
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:25,710
in a rash moment?
1315
01:14:27,150 --> 01:14:29,470
- Well, I can't really say.
- I don't know.
1316
01:14:29,470 --> 01:14:32,910
Are you prepared
to accept the consequences,
1317
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:36,030
which you said don't seem
to be negative, right?
1318
01:14:36,030 --> 01:14:37,510
Of what you're doing?
1319
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:38,950
What consequences?
1320
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:41,710
Well, look at the alternative.
1321
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:44,550
Sinéad O'Connor
is no stranger to controversy.
1322
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:46,950
A master of the shock tactics.
1323
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:49,230
But this time some are
questioning whether she went too far.
1324
01:14:49,230 --> 01:14:50,750
No response yet from the Pope,
1325
01:14:50,750 --> 01:14:52,750
but church spokesmen say
that he will no doubt
1326
01:14:52,750 --> 01:14:55,230
forgive Sinéad O'Connor
for her bout of Vatican bashing
1327
01:14:55,230 --> 01:14:57,270
on NBC's Saturday Night Live.
1328
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:58,990
The controversy for singer
Sinéad O'Connor
1329
01:14:58,990 --> 01:15:01,070
as she strikes a sour
note with Catholics.
1330
01:15:01,070 --> 01:15:03,070
NBC has been at pains to stress
1331
01:15:03,070 --> 01:15:05,470
it doesn't condone what she did.
1332
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:07,470
The network says O'Connor's
tirade caught them off guard.
1333
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:09,710
NBC logged a thousand
complaint calls...
1334
01:15:09,710 --> 01:15:12,630
Her actions Saturday
night were spontaneous,
1335
01:15:12,670 --> 01:15:14,990
certainly unauthorized by NBC,
1336
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:17,910
and NBC was offended
by what she did.
1337
01:15:17,950 --> 01:15:20,670
The Catholic league
for religious and civil rights
1338
01:15:20,670 --> 01:15:23,950
is pressuring record stores
to stop selling recordings
1339
01:15:23,950 --> 01:15:26,230
by O'Connor
and her record company.
1340
01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:29,150
During the lunch hour,
they passed out leaflets,
1341
01:15:29,150 --> 01:15:31,630
urging customers
to join their boycott.
1342
01:15:31,630 --> 01:15:33,950
Some didn't need
any encouragement.
1343
01:15:33,950 --> 01:15:35,950
I thought it was repulsive.
1344
01:15:35,950 --> 01:15:39,070
Anyone that sends
us in their tapes,
1345
01:15:39,070 --> 01:15:40,830
we're going to chop
up these tapes.
1346
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:42,910
Actually, we were just
going to send them to her.
1347
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:45,230
Someone said,
don't send the tapes new.
1348
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:48,030
Break them up,
'cause she'll sell them again.
1349
01:15:48,030 --> 01:15:49,510
So we're going to break them up
1350
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:51,110
and put them in a trunk,
1351
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:52,750
and have someone
deliver them to her
1352
01:15:52,750 --> 01:15:54,190
in Ireland
or wherever she may be.
1353
01:15:57,630 --> 01:16:00,030
I would've grabbed her
by her eyebrows.
1354
01:16:01,790 --> 01:16:04,270
Sinéad O'Connor...,
you know and so on.
1355
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:06,110
Or you just don't like that she
tore up a picture of the Pope.
1356
01:16:06,110 --> 01:16:08,310
Oh, no, Sinéad O'Connor
is completely a robot brain.
1357
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:10,390
- She has messages...
- She's like Victorian,
1358
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:13,390
she has messages where she
slaps onto art like labels.
1359
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:14,990
But I'll tell you one thing,
she was very lucky
1360
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:17,190
it wasn't my show.
1361
01:16:17,190 --> 01:16:20,430
'Cause if it was my show,
I would've gave her such a smack.
1362
01:16:24,710 --> 01:16:26,470
Sinéad O'Conner, who's
big theme is child abuse...
1363
01:16:26,510 --> 01:16:28,310
- All right?
- It all comes from child abuse.
1364
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:30,310
In the case of Sinéad O'Conner,
child abuse was justified.
1365
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:37,630
I got a little bit worried,
1366
01:16:37,630 --> 01:16:40,630
you know when things were
going really badly in the press for her.
1367
01:16:40,670 --> 01:16:43,950
It was a terrible time for us.
1368
01:16:43,950 --> 01:16:45,750
And just created this hatred.
1369
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:48,070
It was unbelievable.
1370
01:16:48,110 --> 01:16:51,430
I had fan letters
with death threats to myself,
1371
01:16:51,470 --> 01:16:53,150
death threats to Sinéad,
1372
01:16:53,150 --> 01:16:55,710
and one day I took in
a sack load of letters
1373
01:16:55,710 --> 01:16:57,790
that were directly
threatening either to her
1374
01:16:57,830 --> 01:17:00,790
or to me, or any of our team.
1375
01:17:00,790 --> 01:17:03,990
I was watching it with
some friends as it happened.
1376
01:17:04,030 --> 01:17:07,510
And we were all applauding
and cheering and were like,
1377
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:09,590
"Feminist performance art,
on TV.
1378
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:12,630
When does that ever happen?"
1379
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:15,830
I can't sit here and tell
you that I was all like,
1380
01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:17,590
- "- Oh, no, Sinéad O'Connor is an icon.
- She's ahead of her time."
1381
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:20,070
I don't think I was
saying that then.
1382
01:17:20,110 --> 01:17:22,990
I think I probably was joining in,
"Oh, God, what's she doing now?"
1383
01:17:22,990 --> 01:17:25,070
There was this idea that
she was a bit of a joke.
1384
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:28,430
Fight the real enemy.
1385
01:17:28,430 --> 01:17:30,990
When she does
a concert in New York city,
1386
01:17:30,990 --> 01:17:33,190
if she has the guts
to ever do a concert
1387
01:17:33,190 --> 01:17:34,870
in New York City again,
1388
01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:36,390
after one of her songs,
1389
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:38,510
I'm going to jump up on stage
1390
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:40,830
and tear up a photo
of Uncle Fester.
1391
01:17:50,230 --> 01:17:52,550
Do you enjoy shocking people?
1392
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:54,710
No, but I enjoy a good debate.
1393
01:17:54,710 --> 01:17:56,910
Did you realize
the consequences at the time?
1394
01:17:56,910 --> 01:18:02,270
I don't think it's a good idea
to talk about it here, tonight.
1395
01:18:02,270 --> 01:18:04,670
So you don't want
to talk about it at all.
1396
01:18:04,710 --> 01:18:06,350
Some other time,
I'll talk to you about it.
1397
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:07,990
But obviously
you don't have any regrets.
1398
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:09,310
No, absolutely not.
1399
01:18:11,390 --> 01:18:14,390
I'm real proud...
1400
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:16,910
to introduce this next artist
1401
01:18:16,910 --> 01:18:21,070
whose name's become
synonymous with courage,
1402
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:23,470
and integrity.
1403
01:18:23,470 --> 01:18:26,070
Ladies and gentleman,
Sinéad O'Connor.
1404
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:48,190
Thank you.
1405
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:55,110
I'm on stage and the
audience start making this
1406
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:56,670
mad noise where half
of them are booing
1407
01:18:56,710 --> 01:18:58,230
and half of them are cheering.
1408
01:18:58,270 --> 01:19:00,310
And it's the fucking
weirdest noise
1409
01:19:00,350 --> 01:19:01,990
- I've ever heard in my life.
- And it makes me want to puke.
1410
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:20,470
My song that I was
supposed to sing
1411
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:23,270
at Madison Square Garden
was "I Believe in You."
1412
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:26,230
This song was to be
sung in a whisper,
1413
01:19:26,230 --> 01:19:27,670
and I knew that I couldn't
1414
01:19:27,670 --> 01:19:29,670
because I wouldn't be heard,
1415
01:19:29,670 --> 01:19:31,350
I would have been drowned out
and I couldn't have that.
1416
01:19:33,790 --> 01:19:36,630
"Are you going to stand by me"
1417
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:38,790
was almost what I felt
God was saying to me.
1418
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:40,790
"Are you going to
fucking stand by me,
1419
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:42,270
or are you going
to pussy out here
1420
01:19:42,270 --> 01:19:43,430
and walk off stage."
1421
01:19:48,990 --> 01:19:51,590
Okay, turn this up.
1422
01:19:51,630 --> 01:19:54,710
Until the philosophy
1423
01:19:54,710 --> 01:19:57,390
Which holds one
Race superior
1424
01:19:57,430 --> 01:20:01,630
And another inferior
1425
01:20:01,670 --> 01:20:03,670
Is finally
1426
01:20:03,670 --> 01:20:08,150
And permanently discredited
1427
01:20:08,150 --> 01:20:10,190
And abandoned
1428
01:20:10,230 --> 01:20:14,070
Everywhere is war
1429
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:17,230
Until there's no longer
1430
01:20:17,230 --> 01:20:20,950
First class or
Second class citizens
1431
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:23,150
Of any nation
1432
01:20:23,150 --> 01:20:26,270
Until the colour
Of a man's skin
1433
01:20:26,270 --> 01:20:29,710
Is of no more significance
1434
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:31,710
Than the colour of his eyes
1435
01:20:31,710 --> 01:20:34,230
I've got to say war
1436
01:20:34,270 --> 01:20:38,030
Until, the basic Human rights
1437
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:40,870
Are equally
Guaranteed to all
1438
01:20:40,910 --> 01:20:43,310
Without regard to race
1439
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:45,550
I say war
1440
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:47,350
And until
1441
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:50,470
The ignoble
And unhappy regime
1442
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:52,830
Which holds all
Of us through
1443
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:55,870
Child abuse, yeah
1444
01:20:55,870 --> 01:20:58,430
Child abuse, yeah
1445
01:20:58,430 --> 01:21:01,710
Subhuman bondage
1446
01:21:01,710 --> 01:21:03,790
Has been toppled
1447
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:06,270
Utterly destroyed
1448
01:21:06,270 --> 01:21:09,710
Everywhere is war
1449
01:21:17,870 --> 01:21:20,790
Everything kind of
coalesced into that moment.
1450
01:21:20,830 --> 01:21:22,430
Someone who grew up
in a household
1451
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:24,630
of abuse and rejection,
1452
01:21:24,630 --> 01:21:26,630
then being rejected,
1453
01:21:26,670 --> 01:21:29,510
by what probably felt like
the whole entire world,
1454
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:33,870
re-traumatizing her
in front of the world,
1455
01:21:33,870 --> 01:21:36,550
it made me feel demoralized,
as a woman.
1456
01:21:38,190 --> 01:21:39,870
People that would boo
Sinéad O'Connor,
1457
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:43,590
what were they doing
at a Bob Dylan concert?
1458
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:45,910
She's taken quite a beating,
in the world,
1459
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:48,110
because, the world
does not take kindly,
1460
01:21:48,110 --> 01:21:51,350
to having its
program interrupted.
1461
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:53,950
The smooth flow of entertainment
must not be interrupted.
1462
01:21:59,150 --> 01:22:00,550
"My name is Sinéad O'Connor,
1463
01:22:00,550 --> 01:22:02,110
and I'm learning to love myself.
1464
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:04,830
I am deserving,
1465
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:07,110
I deserve to be
treated with respect,
1466
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:09,310
I deserve not to be
treated like dirt,
1467
01:22:09,310 --> 01:22:10,630
I deserve to be listened to.
1468
01:22:10,630 --> 01:22:12,430
My name is Sinéad O'Connor,
1469
01:22:12,430 --> 01:22:15,430
I am a woman,
I have something to offer,
1470
01:22:15,470 --> 01:22:17,110
I am and have always been
carrying a lot of grief,
1471
01:22:17,150 --> 01:22:19,430
from my lost childhood,
1472
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:21,270
and for the effects of its
horror and violence on my life.
1473
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:23,230
I find it hard to be myself,
1474
01:22:23,230 --> 01:22:25,110
to show my feelings.
1475
01:22:25,150 --> 01:22:27,150
To get to the joy,
1476
01:22:27,150 --> 01:22:28,870
I need to release the pain,
which is blocking me.
1477
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:32,230
If I do not do this,
I will not survive.
1478
01:22:32,230 --> 01:22:34,670
I was angry before,
because I was frightened,
1479
01:22:34,710 --> 01:22:37,190
but I know that if you
could really listen,
1480
01:22:37,190 --> 01:22:39,190
you'd see that we do not
know what we are doing,
1481
01:22:39,190 --> 01:22:41,870
when we mock the expression
of human feeling.
1482
01:22:41,870 --> 01:22:44,710
When we scoff at the sound
of our children's keening,
1483
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:46,990
there's a mirror into
which we are not looking.
1484
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:52,710
There's no way
I'm going to shut my mouth,
1485
01:22:52,710 --> 01:22:54,310
I am a battered child,
1486
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:56,550
and the whole bloody world
is gonna know about it,
1487
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:58,390
the same as they are gonna know
about every other battered child.
1488
01:22:58,390 --> 01:23:00,390
They are not going to
be able to shut us up,
1489
01:23:00,430 --> 01:23:02,470
just because they don't
want to hear about it.
1490
01:23:05,470 --> 01:23:08,110
We all have,
mental health issues,
1491
01:23:08,110 --> 01:23:10,070
you know, on one level,
1492
01:23:10,110 --> 01:23:12,030
and it's very important
for us to recognize that,
1493
01:23:12,030 --> 01:23:14,270
and I think that's something
that Sinéad O'Connor
1494
01:23:14,270 --> 01:23:15,950
did way before anybody else.
1495
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:20,070
I was always being
crazied by the media,
1496
01:23:20,110 --> 01:23:22,270
made out to be crazy.
1497
01:23:22,270 --> 01:23:25,070
I don't blame anybody,
for thinking I was crazy,
1498
01:23:25,070 --> 01:23:26,910
or for hating me for it,
or whatever,
1499
01:23:26,910 --> 01:23:28,710
'cause they didn't know,
I mean, it was a crazy idea,
1500
01:23:28,710 --> 01:23:30,230
I mean, this bitch
is saying that,
1501
01:23:30,230 --> 01:23:31,350
priests are raping children,
1502
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:32,950
I mean, Jesus Christ,
1503
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:34,510
of course it seemed
crazy to them.
1504
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:39,030
Sinéad was put into isolation.
1505
01:23:39,070 --> 01:23:40,990
She, was still
making great music,
1506
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:42,790
still making great records,
1507
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:45,430
but we didn't hear them
and we didn't see them.
1508
01:23:45,470 --> 01:23:48,230
In those days, if the press
weren't talking about you,
1509
01:23:48,270 --> 01:23:50,910
if you weren't on the radio,
if you weren't on TV screens,
1510
01:23:50,910 --> 01:23:53,030
you might as well
have not existed.
1511
01:23:53,070 --> 01:23:54,670
Which is what
happened with Sinéad,
1512
01:23:54,670 --> 01:23:56,070
she just disappears.
1513
01:23:58,990 --> 01:24:01,390
I have about a ten-year period
1514
01:24:01,390 --> 01:24:03,150
I don't remember much,
1515
01:24:03,190 --> 01:24:04,150
because it suddenly
became a free for all
1516
01:24:04,190 --> 01:24:06,230
for everybody around me,
1517
01:24:06,230 --> 01:24:09,710
personally and publicly to
treat me like shit basically.
1518
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:14,350
They didn't like what
they saw on the mirror,
1519
01:24:14,350 --> 01:24:15,910
I understand that now,
1520
01:24:15,950 --> 01:24:17,710
but when I was younger,
I was just hurt.
1521
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:28,270
The
willingness to tell her story,
1522
01:24:28,270 --> 01:24:31,310
to share her personal pain,
her struggles,
1523
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:34,630
to share them, with Ireland
and with the world,
1524
01:24:34,630 --> 01:24:37,990
I think has given people,
the courage to do the same.
1525
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:44,710
On behalf of this state,
1526
01:24:44,710 --> 01:24:47,590
the government and our citizens,
1527
01:24:47,630 --> 01:24:51,510
deeply regret,
and apologize unreservedly,
1528
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:53,110
to all those women,
1529
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:55,110
for the hurt
that was done to them,
1530
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:57,270
for the, any stigma
they have suffered,
1531
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:59,670
as a result
of the time they spent,
1532
01:24:59,670 --> 01:25:01,230
in the Magdalene Laundries.
1533
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:06,270
Today, we live in
a very different country,
1534
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:08,270
with a very different
consciousness,
1535
01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:09,910
and a very different awareness.
1536
01:25:14,150 --> 01:25:16,710
An Ireland where we have
more compassion,
1537
01:25:16,710 --> 01:25:21,230
more empathy,
more insight, more heart.
1538
01:25:21,230 --> 01:25:26,350
We do, because at last, we are
learning those terrible lessons.
1539
01:25:26,350 --> 01:25:29,710
We do, because at last
we're giving up our secrets.
1540
01:25:34,750 --> 01:25:37,310
In Ireland, it's being
called a quiet revolution,
1541
01:25:37,310 --> 01:25:38,910
and a victory for women.
1542
01:25:38,910 --> 01:25:41,230
The once
conservative nation, voted yes
1543
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:44,150
to repeal a constitutional
ban on abortion.
1544
01:25:52,430 --> 01:25:53,910
Yeah,
I'm proud to be Irish today.
1545
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:55,990
I think Ireland's coming so far,
1546
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:58,110
in the last ten years,
and I think it's really showing
1547
01:25:58,110 --> 01:25:59,230
that we're not so influenced
1548
01:25:59,230 --> 01:26:01,030
by the church as much anymore.
1549
01:26:04,190 --> 01:26:05,990
Wherever there's
that righteous anger
1550
01:26:06,030 --> 01:26:08,150
of a woman now,
who is making a difference,
1551
01:26:08,190 --> 01:26:10,190
who's changing things,
1552
01:26:10,230 --> 01:26:12,310
who's standing up
and being courageous.
1553
01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:15,790
That is where the little
sparks of Sinéad are.
1554
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:25,470
We are seeing the rights that
people fought for being pulled back,
1555
01:26:25,510 --> 01:26:27,350
being diminished,
1556
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:29,790
and... to look at the power
of speaking out,
1557
01:26:29,790 --> 01:26:32,950
and she is the absolute epitome
of what that power is.
1558
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:37,510
We need to keep showing
how effective it is,
1559
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:39,430
and how important it is.
1560
01:26:46,270 --> 01:26:48,430
Women's bodies are under attack!
1561
01:26:48,430 --> 01:26:50,190
- What do we do?
- Stand up, fight back!
1562
01:26:58,590 --> 01:27:00,470
There's a lot
of artists that came afterward,
1563
01:27:00,470 --> 01:27:03,230
that were able to say
and speak their mind,
1564
01:27:03,230 --> 01:27:04,510
and spill their soul.
1565
01:27:06,590 --> 01:27:09,590
She broke the ice
for a whole decade
1566
01:27:09,630 --> 01:27:11,430
or two decades
of artists after her.
1567
01:27:29,710 --> 01:27:31,590
A government inquiry last year
1568
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:32,790
found some Irish bishops
1569
01:27:32,830 --> 01:27:34,630
put their church's reputation
1570
01:27:34,670 --> 01:27:36,790
before the interests
of their flock,
1571
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:40,510
actively covering up clerical
child abuse for 30 years.
1572
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:42,790
But the scandals
go far beyond Ireland,
1573
01:27:42,830 --> 01:27:44,830
and touch the Vatican directly.
1574
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:47,470
Last week, it was alleged
that Pope Benedict,
1575
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:49,310
then known as
Cardinal Ratzinger,
1576
01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:51,510
had prevented the church trial,
1577
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:54,670
of an American paedophile
priest, in the 1990s.
1578
01:27:54,710 --> 01:27:58,110
The church in Ireland,
must acknowledge before the Lord
1579
01:27:58,150 --> 01:28:01,590
and others,
the serious sins committed
1580
01:28:01,630 --> 01:28:03,870
against defenceless children.
1581
01:28:09,790 --> 01:28:13,230
Sinéad O'Connor as an artist,
forged her own path
1582
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:16,310
in a world that just
was not ready for her.
1583
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:18,190
This young upstart,
1584
01:28:18,190 --> 01:28:20,550
with the most beautiful voice
you can imagine,
1585
01:28:20,590 --> 01:28:26,350
showed up, and just rocked
the shit out of the horse cart.
1586
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:28,350
I don't want to see
her as a martyr,
1587
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:30,310
because she's a
three-dimensional human being.
1588
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:32,790
She makes mistakes,
she's a weirdo, she's great,
1589
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:35,550
she's a lot of different things.
1590
01:28:35,550 --> 01:28:37,350
She did not deserve
what she got.
1591
01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:46,150
I regret that people
treated me like shit,
1592
01:28:46,150 --> 01:28:50,390
and I regret that I was
so wounded already
1593
01:28:50,430 --> 01:28:54,110
that that really,
really killed me and hurt me.
1594
01:28:54,150 --> 01:28:56,230
You know?
1595
01:28:56,230 --> 01:28:58,470
They all thought that I should
be made a mockery of
1596
01:28:58,470 --> 01:29:01,150
for throwing
my career down the drain.
1597
01:29:01,150 --> 01:29:02,750
I never set out
to be a pop star,
1598
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:04,750
it didn't suit me
being a pop star.
1599
01:29:04,750 --> 01:29:07,790
So I didn't throw away any
fucking career that I wanted.
1600
01:29:07,790 --> 01:29:11,070
Didn't change my attitude.
1601
01:29:11,070 --> 01:29:12,990
I wasn't sorry,
I didn't regret it,
1602
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:16,750
it was the proudest thing
I've ever done as an artist.
1603
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:20,510
They broke my heart and
they killed me, but I didn't die.
1604
01:29:22,590 --> 01:29:24,270
They tried to bury me,
1605
01:29:24,270 --> 01:29:25,710
they didn't realize
I was a seed.
1606
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:33,710
Thank you for hearing me
1607
01:29:35,710 --> 01:29:40,630
Thank you for hearing me
1608
01:29:42,670 --> 01:29:47,550
Thank you for hearing me
1609
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:54,870
Thank you for hearing me
1610
01:30:00,630 --> 01:30:06,630
Thank you for loving me
1611
01:30:06,670 --> 01:30:11,550
Thank you for loving me
1612
01:30:12,910 --> 01:30:18,510
Thank you for loving me
1613
01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:23,750
Thank you for loving me
1614
01:30:28,110 --> 01:30:33,870
Which means forsaking me
1615
01:30:33,870 --> 01:30:39,710
Thank you for seeing me
1616
01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:45,750
Thank you for seeing me
1617
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:51,350
Thank you for seeing me
1618
01:30:55,710 --> 01:31:01,430
And for not leaving me
1619
01:31:01,470 --> 01:31:06,550
And for not leaving me
1620
01:31:07,950 --> 01:31:13,910
And for not leaving me
1621
01:31:13,910 --> 01:31:19,150
And for not leaving me
1622
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:29,110
Thank you
For staying with me
1623
01:31:29,150 --> 01:31:35,550
Thank you
For staying with me
1624
01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:40,910
Thank you
For staying with me
1625
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:46,670
Thank you
For staying with me
1626
01:31:50,710 --> 01:31:56,470
Thanks for not hurting me
1627
01:31:56,470 --> 01:32:01,950
Thanks for not hurting me
1628
01:32:01,950 --> 01:32:07,910
Thanks for not hurting me
1629
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:13,710
Thanks for not hurting me
1630
01:32:18,270 --> 01:32:24,190
You are gentle with me
1631
01:32:24,230 --> 01:32:29,070
You are gentle with me
1632
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:36,590
You are gentle with me
1633
01:32:36,590 --> 01:32:42,070
You are gentle with me
1634
01:32:45,790 --> 01:32:51,590
Thanks for silence with me
1635
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:56,750
Thanks for silence with me
1636
01:32:58,150 --> 01:33:04,030
Thanks for silence with me
1637
01:33:04,030 --> 01:33:09,350
Thanks for silence with me
1638
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:20,070
Thank you for holding me
1639
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:26,430
And saying I could be
1640
01:33:26,430 --> 01:33:32,270
Thank you
For saying, "Baby"
1641
01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:37,150
Thank you for holding me
1642
01:33:41,670 --> 01:33:47,310
Thank you for helping me
1643
01:33:47,310 --> 01:33:53,110
Thank you for helping me
1644
01:33:53,150 --> 01:33:58,910
Thank you for helping me
1645
01:33:58,950 --> 01:34:02,710
Thank you
1646
01:34:02,710 --> 01:34:06,310
Thank you for helping me
1647
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:15,230
Thank you
For breaking my heart
1648
01:34:15,230 --> 01:34:20,990
Thank you
For tearing me apart
1649
01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:24,390
Now I've a strong
1650
01:34:24,430 --> 01:34:27,430
Strong heart
1651
01:34:27,470 --> 01:34:30,590
Thank you
1652
01:34:30,630 --> 01:34:36,470
For breaking my heart
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