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♪ Jiffy Pop, Jiffy
Pop the magic treat ♪
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The new Barbie pool party.
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Now with a Barbie
sold separately.
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Coca-Cola...
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The personal
computer revolutin
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that's sweeping
the entire country.
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I am from Jefferson
Township, New Jersey.
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It's my hometown where
I've made the best friends
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that I've ever had in my life.
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1988, this terrible
thing happened
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a mile from where I grew up
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to a kid that I played
basketball with.
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There was this
explosion of violence
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that nobody saw coming.
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That just hasn't ever
made sense to me.
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A mother and son
from New Jersy
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are dead tonight.
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This was brutal.
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This was much more
than typical murder.
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Tommy was my age.
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Same socioeconomic background.
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We all grew up with
the same rules.
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Great kid, wrestler, baseball
player, good student.
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And his mom?
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Super, super lady.
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Such a small town with
such a tragic event.
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It was just all everybody
wanted to talk about.
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We prayed for Tom. We
prayed for Betty Ann.
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We prayed for the
family that was left.
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We prayed for ourselves.
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The rumor mill's running wild
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because people want answers.
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Morris County Police
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are broadening
their investigation
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to determine if it was linked
to a local satanic cult.
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We had a lotta things
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that pointed toward the
devil made him do it.
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Is that possible?
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Everybody was buying in
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that this was a Satanic murder.
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"To the greatest demons of hell,
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I'd like to make a solemn
exchange with you."
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When you make a
pact with a deity...
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...there has to be a sacrifice.
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This meeting in Morris County
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was set up to make people aware
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that Satanism exists.
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People in the community were
looking for something to blame.
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I just could not
believe what's going on.
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You can call it the boogeyman.
You can call it the devil.
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The devil doing it.
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It's not really a
satisfying explanation.
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What was going on
with this family?
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What's being hidden here?
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Parents were terrified that
their kids could be next
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or that they could be next.
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It's one of those moments
that you question your faith.
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How can this happen?
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The whole room got cold.
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The question was, was I
talking to Satan or Tom?
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It's horrifying. It's
scary. It's fascinating.
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It's mysterious. It's insane.
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You know, Satan comes
in many disguises.
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And he knows
everybody's weaknesses
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and he knows how
to manipulate them.
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What he did, I don't know, but
I know he played a part in it.
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It wasn't God.
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The suburbs in the 1980s
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was the ideal place
and time to be a kid.
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No phones, no social media.
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Just bikes, friends,
and freedom.
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The world felt safe and magical.
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A perfect little bubble.
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But beneath that innocence,
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there was this thing,
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this malevolence
creeping in the shadows.
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No one knew where or
when it would strike,
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but when it did,
it was shocking,
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and it shattered everything
we thought was real.
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I'm Eli Roth, and I've
spent decades writing
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and directing horror movies.
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They entertain,
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but they also tap into
real fears we all have
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about the darkness around us.
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I've been inspired
by true stories.
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They conjured images in my mind
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that were even scarier than any
ghost story I could make up.
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And it's these kinds of stories
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that haunt a whole
community for decades,
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just like what happened
in Jefferson, New Jersey,
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one cold, snowy night in 1988.
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I was a police officer
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for Jefferson
Township in the '80s.
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20-something years old.
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And I was really just
becoming an adult, really.
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Came from a family
of police officers.
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My dad was a police officer
in Jefferson Township, also,
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and spent most of my childhood
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around police and
police families.
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I always looked up to
my father and, you know,
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respected him and wanted to
follow in the path that he took.
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I knew the police life,
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and I understood it and just
always found it interesting,
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you know, dangerous, risky.
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And I kind of enjoyed
that, you know...
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the adrenaline, and something
I really liked to do.
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Usually on a Saturday night,
you'll get a call about a party
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or a bar fight or something.
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Officer McConley.
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The dispatch said,
"Oh, we got a call
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that a guy couldn't
find his wife."
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And it was kind of a weird call.
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You know, to me, it
sounds like, alright,
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does she have a boyfriend?
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Like, you know, like,
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"What do you mean, you
can't find your wife?"
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Copy that.
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I was young, so
I was aggressive.
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You know, I got there quick.
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It was cold and it was snowing.
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And I remember a lotta
snow on the ground.
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When I pulled up,
there was a yard
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that went up kinda like
a hill to the front door.
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There was a group of
people down by the road,
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and one of the kids I
played football with,
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Stuart Kennedy, was in
the yard with some people.
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He was my age.
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Yeah, we graduated
together and everything,
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and he was distraught.
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And I got out of the car and
I said, "What's up, Stuart?"
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And he said, "Oh, you might
need the first aid kit.
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She's bleeding."
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We proceeded into the house.
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It was a small
house. Very small.
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And so we went in
the front door,
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and there was, like,
a living room area.
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We proceeded straight, and
when we took the corner,
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there was the steps going
down to the basement.
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Never expected to come
across what I found.
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Hello?
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Is anybody here?
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This is police.
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Ma'am?
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Blood is like oil.
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If you take a quart of
oil and you drop it,
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it'll keep spreading.
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I remember I leaned over her
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'cause I didn't know if I
was gonna need to do CPR.
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That's when I saw that, like...
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I remember, like, an eyeball
hanging out of the head and all.
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It was...
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It was pretty, um...
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I don't know how to explain it.
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It's not something, you know,
you'd expect to see. Like...
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You know, it's like something
out of a horror movie.
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Then I saw weights on the floor,
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and the weights
were off to one end,
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so I assumed that her
head was bashed in,
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which caused her eyeball to
explode out of the socket.
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And at that point, I
knew that she was gone.
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I went into, like, my job mode.
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I didn't know if
somebody had broke
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into the house and killed her.
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Was it a burglary that
went bad? Was it...
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I had no idea what it was.
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I'm just, "Is there a
killer in this house?"
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Hello?
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The basement was small...
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...but then there was kind
of like a utility room.
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I thought for sure,
because the blood
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was still coming
out, like, slowly,
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that whoever did it was...
was maybe in the other room.
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You know, your blood's pumping.
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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!
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For a second, I didn't
know it was Stuart.
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So that was close.
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Hey.
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He was shooken up. Yeah.
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Once we realized there
was nobody there,
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then I went upstairs.
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A lotta people in town
had police electrons
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so they could hear everything
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that you talk about
on the radios.
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So, we were instructed that
if it's something major,
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call headquarters
from the phone.
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And then Bruce showed up.
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When Bart got on the radio,
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you could tell it was
obviously something serious.
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His voice was excited.
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He was calling for
the detectives,
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calling for the
medical examiner,
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calling for additional
help and resources.
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In 1988, I was 31 years old.
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At that time, I was a patrolman
in Jefferson Township.
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Married, no children
at the time,
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and just enjoying life.
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Well, it was a nice town.
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I mean, obviously I was
familiar with everybody.
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I grew up here.
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And that's the way the
town was back then.
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Everybody knew each other.
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It was just a normal,
good place to live.
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There's been other
homicides within the town,
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but not frequently.
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Maybe, you know, once a year
or once every two years.
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So, this was shocking.
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When I arrived at the scene,
it was 11:00 at night,
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about a dozen people
out in the front yard.
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As soon as I got out,
all kinds of people
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are telling me what's going on
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and, you know, trying
to sort out who was who
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and who actually even
lived in the house.
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When I first entered, I noticed
the smell of burnt paper.
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There was books
scattered about the floor
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that had been on fire.
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I remember just a lotta
confusion, you know,
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trying to figure out
what was going on.
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So, I'm up by the kitchen now,
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and this guy comes
storming in the house...
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Excuse me, sir. It's
a closed crime scene.
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Officers, this is who did it.
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This is my son. I live here.
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...and says, "My son did
it," like, aggressively.
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What's your son's name?
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Thomas Sullivan Jr.
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How old is your son?
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14.
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He grabs a photo.
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Looked like a school
photo of a young boy.
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And that kind of threw me back.
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I said, "Well, who's that?"
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And he said, "That's
my son Tommy.
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He killed my wife.
She's downstairs."
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He was excited and
upset. Understandably.
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I was trying to calm him down.
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He was adamant that
it was... You know,
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Tommy was the one that did it.
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But I just couldn't comprehend
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that a young boy would be
able to do that to his mother.
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You know, an eighth grader.
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I mean, he looked
like... He was a child.
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If you looked at the
picture, it was a child.
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Whatever he did to my wife.
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I remember he seemed credible
when I first spoke to him.
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He did that. Did you see
downstairs? It was him.
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He was very adamant...
"My son did this. Get him.
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"Look, he tried to burn the
house down," buh-buh-buh.
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That's what really threw me off.
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I have seen everything.
I've seen the circle.
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The father made him a
suspect... I've seen my wife.
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...which I found
unusual because...
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I don't think a father
would want to blame his kid
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until he knew.
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Wouldn't you be worried
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00:14:44,968 --> 00:14:46,220
that maybe they
abducted your son, too?
256
00:14:46,303 --> 00:14:47,887
Killed the wife
and took the son?
257
00:14:47,971 --> 00:14:51,433
A father would
protect his child.
258
00:14:51,516 --> 00:14:53,935
None of it made sense to me.
259
00:14:58,231 --> 00:14:59,691
There are several
police reports
260
00:14:59,774 --> 00:15:01,484
available from that night,
261
00:15:01,568 --> 00:15:04,404
and one is a write-up from
Officer Bart McConley.
262
00:15:04,487 --> 00:15:06,823
In his report,
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00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:09,034
he recounts a statement from
the father of the house,
264
00:15:09,117 --> 00:15:13,455
Tom Sullivan Sr., about
his whereabouts that night.
265
00:15:13,538 --> 00:15:18,793
"He advised me that he was
sick and went to bed early.
266
00:15:18,877 --> 00:15:23,715
"As he was sleeping, he heard
the smoke detector go off.
267
00:15:23,798 --> 00:15:26,009
"He got up to see what was wrong
268
00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:28,511
"and found what he thought
were newspapers burning
269
00:15:28,595 --> 00:15:31,139
"on his living room couch.
270
00:15:31,222 --> 00:15:34,601
"After distinguishing the
fire, he went to the door
271
00:15:34,684 --> 00:15:38,104
"and saw his automobile
rolling down the driveway
272
00:15:38,188 --> 00:15:41,608
"and into the snowbank
across the street.
273
00:15:41,691 --> 00:15:44,069
"He then went over
to the neighbors
274
00:15:44,152 --> 00:15:46,237
and he had his neighbor
call the police."
275
00:15:50,659 --> 00:15:52,911
I was at a party at
a friend's house,
276
00:15:52,994 --> 00:15:56,498
which was right across the
street from the Sullivans'.
277
00:15:56,581 --> 00:15:57,707
All of a sudden,
somebody started rapping
278
00:15:57,790 --> 00:15:59,501
on the door real loud...
279
00:16:01,086 --> 00:16:04,673
And it was Tom Sr.
from across the street.
280
00:16:04,756 --> 00:16:06,758
And he's just, like,
hyperventilating, sweating.
281
00:16:06,841 --> 00:16:08,802
I mean, the guy's a mess.
282
00:16:08,885 --> 00:16:10,428
And he said that his
house was on fire
283
00:16:10,512 --> 00:16:12,764
and he can't find his family.
284
00:16:12,847 --> 00:16:14,599
So they immediately
called the cops.
285
00:16:14,683 --> 00:16:17,727
I said, "Well, let's
go over there."
286
00:16:17,811 --> 00:16:21,022
Went into the house with him,
287
00:16:21,106 --> 00:16:24,234
and there were books on the
floor that were on fire.
288
00:16:25,694 --> 00:16:28,613
We started stamping it all out.
289
00:16:28,697 --> 00:16:31,741
And the books that were
on fire were Satanic books
290
00:16:31,825 --> 00:16:33,705
that were set up in a
circle in the living room.
291
00:16:35,745 --> 00:16:37,706
It was unnerving,
that's for sure.
292
00:16:44,587 --> 00:16:48,383
The younger son comes
out of his bedroom.
293
00:16:48,466 --> 00:16:50,135
I mean, that kid was young.
294
00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:55,014
So, I said, "Well,
let's check downstairs."
295
00:16:56,558 --> 00:16:57,767
Betty Ann?
296
00:17:04,607 --> 00:17:06,651
Get halfway downstairs,
297
00:17:08,153 --> 00:17:11,531
Tom looks to his
left, sees his wife...
298
00:17:11,614 --> 00:17:13,074
Betty Ann!
299
00:17:13,157 --> 00:17:14,617
...and just flipped out.
300
00:17:14,701 --> 00:17:16,744
He ran up, picked the kid up,
301
00:17:16,828 --> 00:17:19,455
and ran across the street
to my friend's house.
302
00:17:19,539 --> 00:17:21,249
And I just followed.
303
00:17:23,167 --> 00:17:26,296
He turned to me and
said, "Tommy did it."
304
00:17:28,006 --> 00:17:29,716
I was scared shitless.
305
00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:31,426
Scared shitless.
306
00:17:36,264 --> 00:17:39,809
We received a phone call.
307
00:17:39,893 --> 00:17:42,562
We lived probably a mile,
308
00:17:42,645 --> 00:17:45,815
a mile and a half
from the scene.
309
00:17:45,899 --> 00:17:48,693
In 1988, I was a detective
310
00:17:48,777 --> 00:17:50,445
and a juvenile officer
311
00:17:50,528 --> 00:17:53,323
for the Township of
Jefferson Police Department.
312
00:17:53,406 --> 00:17:54,908
Any kids that got in trouble
313
00:17:54,991 --> 00:17:56,243
usually ended up sitting
in front of my desk
314
00:17:56,326 --> 00:17:58,328
or me paying a visit.
315
00:17:58,411 --> 00:18:00,914
I had never heard of Tommy
or his brother, Brian,
316
00:18:00,997 --> 00:18:03,833
so they had no history with
me as a juvenile officer
317
00:18:03,917 --> 00:18:05,502
or the department.
318
00:18:05,585 --> 00:18:08,254
We started looking at what
was going on with this family.
319
00:18:08,338 --> 00:18:09,756
How did this come about?
320
00:18:12,592 --> 00:18:15,720
The family, Betty
Ann and Tom Sr.,
321
00:18:15,804 --> 00:18:17,472
to the best of my knowledge,
322
00:18:17,555 --> 00:18:20,141
had never had any contact
with the police department.
323
00:18:20,225 --> 00:18:22,269
It wasn't a place, as soon
as they gave out the address,
324
00:18:22,352 --> 00:18:23,854
you know who it was,
that type of thing.
325
00:18:23,937 --> 00:18:26,815
We had certainly had plenty
of those over the years.
326
00:18:26,898 --> 00:18:28,734
I had never had any
dealings with this family
327
00:18:28,817 --> 00:18:32,237
at all prior to
this and after this.
328
00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,840
They weren't on the
radar for anything.
329
00:18:35,406 --> 00:18:37,534
Betty Ann was a
devout Catholic.
330
00:18:37,617 --> 00:18:40,161
From what we understood,
she went to Mass every day.
331
00:18:40,245 --> 00:18:42,747
She made sure that
Tommy got to Mass
332
00:18:42,831 --> 00:18:46,125
usually at least once a week
on Sunday, and maybe even more.
333
00:18:48,253 --> 00:18:51,422
We have no real idea
of why this happened.
334
00:18:51,506 --> 00:18:53,716
We need to facilitate
the gathering
335
00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,511
of whatever forensic evidence
might be available at the scene.
336
00:18:59,180 --> 00:19:00,890
There was still
some smoke evident
337
00:19:00,974 --> 00:19:02,725
in the house at the time.
338
00:19:02,809 --> 00:19:05,228
I'm just looking at
remnants of a newspaper fire
339
00:19:05,311 --> 00:19:08,231
where somebody balled some
newspaper up and lit it.
340
00:19:08,314 --> 00:19:10,817
And then there were the books
that were in the circle.
341
00:19:12,318 --> 00:19:14,612
After I got down
to the basement,
342
00:19:14,696 --> 00:19:17,740
the first thing I saw
was Mrs. Sullivan.
343
00:19:17,824 --> 00:19:20,201
And it was obviously...
344
00:19:20,285 --> 00:19:21,620
You know, she was
deceased at that point.
345
00:19:21,703 --> 00:19:23,538
It wasn't even a
matter of, you know,
346
00:19:23,621 --> 00:19:25,707
an ambulance to transport
her 'cause she may make it.
347
00:19:28,126 --> 00:19:30,545
What we initially
took away from it
348
00:19:30,628 --> 00:19:31,880
was the level of violence.
349
00:19:33,798 --> 00:19:36,092
People can get
upset, have a fight,
350
00:19:36,175 --> 00:19:39,220
maybe lose their
temper, hit someone,
351
00:19:39,304 --> 00:19:41,931
have a weapon and use it,
352
00:19:42,015 --> 00:19:44,475
you know, in the
heat of passion or...
353
00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:46,394
But this was brutal.
354
00:19:47,687 --> 00:19:50,398
She was stabbed multiple
times about the upper torso
355
00:19:50,481 --> 00:19:51,983
and the face,
356
00:19:52,066 --> 00:19:53,610
and just the
saturation of the blood
357
00:19:53,693 --> 00:19:57,196
down in the basement was...
kinda sticks in my mind.
358
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,407
And she had to have
put up a fight.
359
00:19:59,490 --> 00:20:04,120
She did have wounds to her
arms, mostly to her upper torso,
360
00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:07,123
which I'm guessing
after she had collapsed
361
00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:09,208
that they continued
stabbing her.
362
00:20:09,292 --> 00:20:12,003
These were serious wounds.
363
00:20:12,086 --> 00:20:14,297
The number 47 sticks in my mind.
364
00:20:14,380 --> 00:20:16,507
The ones to the face...
365
00:20:16,591 --> 00:20:20,303
It appeared that there
was almost an attempt
366
00:20:20,386 --> 00:20:23,765
to peel the skin off the face.
367
00:20:26,309 --> 00:20:28,811
I was the traffic
officer for a while
368
00:20:28,895 --> 00:20:31,689
and handling many
accident investigations.
369
00:20:31,773 --> 00:20:33,441
And quite honestly, I can say
370
00:20:33,524 --> 00:20:35,443
I've never even had a
motor vehicle accident
371
00:20:35,526 --> 00:20:39,948
that was... the victims
were as, you know,
372
00:20:40,031 --> 00:20:41,471
disfigured as what
Mrs. Sullivan was.
373
00:20:43,159 --> 00:20:45,995
It was definitely a homicide.
374
00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:48,706
At that point, I'm trying to
piece everything together.
375
00:20:48,790 --> 00:20:50,625
Mr. Sullivan was inside,
along with Mr. Eastman,
376
00:20:50,708 --> 00:20:52,210
one of the neighbors.
377
00:20:52,293 --> 00:20:54,879
So, I'm trying to figure out
the time frame of everything
378
00:20:54,963 --> 00:20:55,922
that had happened at this point.
379
00:20:58,132 --> 00:21:00,385
We had everybody accounted
for in the family...
380
00:21:00,468 --> 00:21:02,679
Tom Sr., who was the father;
381
00:21:02,762 --> 00:21:04,931
Betty Ann, who was the mother,
and she was the victim;
382
00:21:05,014 --> 00:21:08,393
and then Brian Sullivan
was also at the house.
383
00:21:08,476 --> 00:21:12,438
We hadn't seen or there
was no account of Tommy Jr.
384
00:21:12,522 --> 00:21:14,691
The question became,
where is Tommy?
385
00:21:20,071 --> 00:21:24,534
I was the next-door
neighbor of Tom.
386
00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:26,411
I could walk and
knock on Tommy's door
387
00:21:26,494 --> 00:21:28,538
and it would take me 30 seconds.
388
00:21:30,498 --> 00:21:32,917
Tommy was my age.
We grew up together.
389
00:21:33,001 --> 00:21:34,502
We were in the same class
390
00:21:34,585 --> 00:21:37,088
and wrestled on the same team.
391
00:21:37,171 --> 00:21:40,174
Jefferson, it was just
like a regular, I guess,
392
00:21:40,258 --> 00:21:42,552
middle-class-type town.
393
00:21:42,635 --> 00:21:45,054
There was a bunch of kids all
the same age on that street.
394
00:21:45,138 --> 00:21:47,432
Wait up. So, we
would all hang out.
395
00:21:49,851 --> 00:21:52,478
There was this
old burnt-out tree
396
00:21:52,562 --> 00:21:55,773
that had, like, 20
Playboys underneath.
397
00:21:55,857 --> 00:21:58,901
We would always ride our bikes
there and look at the Playboys.
398
00:21:58,985 --> 00:22:01,029
If the weather wasn't nice,
399
00:22:01,112 --> 00:22:02,405
you'd try to play
video games inside.
400
00:22:02,488 --> 00:22:04,615
Yikes. Oh, no.
401
00:22:04,699 --> 00:22:06,284
I remember we had
a ColecoVision.
402
00:22:06,367 --> 00:22:08,828
The Sullivans had an Atari.
403
00:22:08,911 --> 00:22:10,622
His mother would bring us
up snacks, make, you know...
404
00:22:10,705 --> 00:22:12,415
bring juice or whatnot.
405
00:22:12,498 --> 00:22:13,833
She was always
really nice to us.
406
00:22:13,916 --> 00:22:15,043
Thanks, Mom.
407
00:22:17,962 --> 00:22:20,339
Being in the house was
just, like, kinda normal.
408
00:22:22,050 --> 00:22:26,095
We would see the mom and the
boys at church pretty regularly,
409
00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:30,516
and they were, you know, for
the most part, just super quiet.
410
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,640
They were just like every
other family on the block.
411
00:22:34,479 --> 00:22:37,148
There wasn't really anything
out of the ordinary.
412
00:22:37,231 --> 00:22:39,400
Being on your own
is a responsibility
413
00:22:39,484 --> 00:22:42,570
that begins as soon
as you leave school.
414
00:22:42,653 --> 00:22:45,615
'80s kids had so much freedom.
415
00:22:45,698 --> 00:22:48,910
Summer breaks and weekends
were spent playing all day,
416
00:22:48,993 --> 00:22:51,996
either riding bikes until
the streetlights flicked on
417
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,041
or retina burn from
an arcade screen.
418
00:22:55,124 --> 00:22:56,834
At some point, someone's
mom would scream,
419
00:22:56,918 --> 00:22:58,586
"It's dinnertime,"
and we'd all go home
420
00:22:58,669 --> 00:23:01,130
and dine on blue-box mac
and cheese and burgers.
421
00:23:03,049 --> 00:23:05,802
But underneath that
independence was something new.
422
00:23:05,885 --> 00:23:08,638
Everyone looks
forward to growing up,
423
00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:11,516
and it's a good feeling to
be given more responsibilit.
424
00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:13,392
For many families,
425
00:23:13,476 --> 00:23:15,020
this was the first time
that both Mom and Dad
426
00:23:15,103 --> 00:23:16,562
had full-time jobs,
427
00:23:16,646 --> 00:23:17,855
so when you got outta school,
428
00:23:17,939 --> 00:23:20,108
you'd come home
to an empty house.
429
00:23:20,191 --> 00:23:24,112
They called us latchkey kids,
and, of course, it was fun,
430
00:23:24,195 --> 00:23:27,782
but it made us vulnerable
and it made people nervous.
431
00:23:27,865 --> 00:23:29,951
-It's 10:00 p.m.
-It's 10:00 p.m.
432
00:23:30,034 --> 00:23:31,911
It's 10:00 p.m.
433
00:23:31,994 --> 00:23:34,622
Do you know where
your children are?
434
00:23:34,705 --> 00:23:36,833
That wasn't just a PSA.
435
00:23:36,916 --> 00:23:39,127
It was more of a warning.
436
00:23:39,210 --> 00:23:42,588
'Cause when no one's paying
attention, anything can happen.
437
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,552
I'll never forget that night.
438
00:23:53,683 --> 00:23:55,560
What the...
439
00:23:55,643 --> 00:23:58,104
There's police in the backyard.
440
00:23:58,187 --> 00:24:00,398
There was yellow caution tape.
441
00:24:00,481 --> 00:24:02,233
I remember seeing
the dogs going around
442
00:24:02,316 --> 00:24:04,569
and sniffing things in
the woods and whatnot.
443
00:24:04,652 --> 00:24:06,613
You could see a ton of
footprints all over the place,
444
00:24:06,696 --> 00:24:08,906
so people have been
trampling all around the snow
445
00:24:08,990 --> 00:24:10,992
in between his
house and our house,
446
00:24:11,075 --> 00:24:13,911
and in both backyards and
the front lawn and whatnot.
447
00:24:13,995 --> 00:24:15,913
Growing up in the
town we grew up in,
448
00:24:15,997 --> 00:24:19,542
I mean, you never really
saw... saw any cops.
449
00:24:19,625 --> 00:24:22,587
You're like, "Oh, my
God, is everybody okay?
450
00:24:22,670 --> 00:24:24,255
What the hell
happened next door?"
451
00:24:25,923 --> 00:24:27,509
The first thing that
clicked in my head
452
00:24:27,592 --> 00:24:29,385
was just, "Find Tommy and
find out what was going on."
453
00:24:37,768 --> 00:24:40,188
Did a search of the house to
make sure Tommy wasn't there.
454
00:24:42,732 --> 00:24:44,775
I remember walking
into his bedroom.
455
00:24:51,449 --> 00:24:53,492
The room was fairly dark.
456
00:24:53,576 --> 00:24:55,244
Bed was there.
457
00:24:55,328 --> 00:24:57,728
It was still made, so we knew
he didn't go to bed that night.
458
00:24:59,874 --> 00:25:01,084
I have to look under the beds
459
00:25:01,167 --> 00:25:02,247
to see if he's under there.
460
00:25:04,503 --> 00:25:06,797
With all these cuts and
everything on this woman,
461
00:25:08,424 --> 00:25:09,926
I'm thinking I'm gonna
get stabbed in the fa...
462
00:25:10,009 --> 00:25:11,344
I didn't know, you know? Like...
463
00:25:23,564 --> 00:25:25,942
There was some things
referring to some heavy metal.
464
00:25:36,285 --> 00:25:41,207
I did notice some drawings that
he had made... ram's skull,
465
00:25:41,290 --> 00:25:43,542
some pentagrams
that he had drawn,
466
00:25:43,626 --> 00:25:45,336
just on scrap
paper and notebooks
467
00:25:45,419 --> 00:25:46,499
on the covers of the books.
468
00:25:48,923 --> 00:25:50,925
The one that I
remember in particular
469
00:25:51,008 --> 00:25:52,927
was one of Satan's face.
470
00:25:54,971 --> 00:25:57,598
You could tell that he
was not of a normal mind
471
00:25:57,682 --> 00:25:59,767
of what was going
on at that point.
472
00:25:59,850 --> 00:26:01,602
Heavy metal.
473
00:26:01,686 --> 00:26:03,479
Is it harmless for your children
474
00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:05,606
or an invitation to drugs,
violence, even suicide?
475
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:09,318
Every decade has its own
unique teenage rebellion.
476
00:26:09,402 --> 00:26:12,697
Pop culture to help them
rage against the status quo.
477
00:26:12,780 --> 00:26:14,573
The '80s were no different.
478
00:26:14,657 --> 00:26:17,618
Alienated boys taking comfort
in the aggressive sounds
479
00:26:17,702 --> 00:26:20,788
of Ozzy Osbourne,
Anthrax, Metallica.
480
00:26:20,871 --> 00:26:22,665
Laughing at the
tongue-in-cheek slasher films
481
00:26:22,748 --> 00:26:25,459
like "Friday the 13th" or
"Nightmare on Elm Street."
482
00:26:25,543 --> 00:26:27,753
It's the one and
only Freddy Krueger.
483
00:26:27,837 --> 00:26:30,214
Aah!
484
00:26:30,298 --> 00:26:32,008
When it comes to fashion,
485
00:26:32,091 --> 00:26:33,551
if you couldn't find a
pentagram shirt or a band
486
00:26:33,634 --> 00:26:35,428
you liked at the local mall,
487
00:26:35,511 --> 00:26:37,972
you just got out a black
marker and did it yourself.
488
00:26:38,055 --> 00:26:40,141
In fact, I remember
being around Tommy's age
489
00:26:40,224 --> 00:26:42,226
and I silk-screened
an Iron Maiden Eddie
490
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:44,645
on the back of my "Texas
Chainsaw Massacre" shirt.
491
00:26:44,729 --> 00:26:46,439
It was an innocent expression,
492
00:26:46,522 --> 00:26:48,482
a way to feel tough
and in control.
493
00:26:48,566 --> 00:26:50,526
Unless it wasn't.
494
00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:52,903
Unless it was something darker.
495
00:26:52,987 --> 00:26:55,364
But how would anyone know?
496
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,372
The main thing at that
point was secure the scene.
497
00:27:03,456 --> 00:27:06,000
Hey! Hey, come on, guys!
498
00:27:06,083 --> 00:27:08,377
In the house, we probably
had about maybe six people
499
00:27:08,461 --> 00:27:10,171
that didn't belong
there that went in.
500
00:27:10,254 --> 00:27:12,548
Outside, we probably
had about another seven
501
00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:15,092
or so that didn't
belong on the property.
502
00:27:15,176 --> 00:27:18,179
They all knew the Sullivans
and they were trying to help.
503
00:27:18,262 --> 00:27:20,348
It was kinda overwhelming
trying to control the scene
504
00:27:20,431 --> 00:27:22,850
when you have, you know, a
dozen people wandering around.
505
00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:24,560
And it was then at that point
506
00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:26,145
we realized the scene was
completely contaminated.
507
00:27:26,228 --> 00:27:28,356
This is the police department.
508
00:27:28,439 --> 00:27:31,942
I got everybody outta
there and secured the area.
509
00:27:32,026 --> 00:27:33,903
And that's when we started
doing our searching
510
00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:35,321
of the outside area.
511
00:27:37,907 --> 00:27:41,202
The Sullivans' car was
out of the driveway
512
00:27:41,285 --> 00:27:45,373
in... kind of perpendicular
to the roadway, almost,
513
00:27:45,456 --> 00:27:47,666
maybe a 45-degree angle,
stuck in a snowbank.
514
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:49,877
At that point, the
big problem was,
515
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,380
we didn't have really
many witnesses,
516
00:27:52,463 --> 00:27:54,423
you know, other than the father.
517
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,809
I was 19-years old,
going to college.
518
00:28:04,892 --> 00:28:07,144
Coming back that
first winter break,
519
00:28:07,228 --> 00:28:10,398
that was my first
time being back home.
520
00:28:10,481 --> 00:28:13,150
I remember just feeling
on top of the world.
521
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,238
Chris Eastman, he
was a friend of mine.
522
00:28:17,321 --> 00:28:19,532
We used to always have
parties at his house.
523
00:28:21,033 --> 00:28:22,410
So, there was one that night.
524
00:28:22,493 --> 00:28:23,661
You know, I knew all my
friends were gonna be there,
525
00:28:23,744 --> 00:28:25,955
or a lot of my friends anyway.
526
00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:28,124
And, yeah, so it was just
an exciting time to get back
527
00:28:28,207 --> 00:28:29,527
and just connected
with everybody.
528
00:28:32,211 --> 00:28:36,382
Parked probably about maybe
six or seven houses away.
529
00:28:36,465 --> 00:28:38,676
I remember just
getting out of the car
530
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:40,803
and I was just in
a good mental spot.
531
00:28:40,886 --> 00:28:42,805
I remember singing
a song, you know.
532
00:28:42,888 --> 00:28:44,348
I know it's a little corny,
533
00:28:44,432 --> 00:28:46,142
but I was just in
that good a mood.
534
00:28:46,225 --> 00:28:49,061
I was humming, singing,
and as I was doing that,
535
00:28:49,145 --> 00:28:52,231
I noticed up the block
somebody come running outside
536
00:28:52,314 --> 00:28:55,109
with something
shiny in their hand.
537
00:28:55,192 --> 00:28:57,361
I thought it was a
flashlight at first,
538
00:28:57,445 --> 00:28:59,822
but then I realized the way
it was moving in the light,
539
00:28:59,905 --> 00:29:01,907
that it was something else.
540
00:29:01,991 --> 00:29:03,909
And I had no idea, but
I knew it was metallic.
541
00:29:03,993 --> 00:29:05,578
I kinda stopped
542
00:29:05,661 --> 00:29:06,620
'cause I just
thought it was weird
543
00:29:06,704 --> 00:29:08,581
that they were moving so fast.
544
00:29:08,664 --> 00:29:10,374
I couldn't tell how
old the person was.
545
00:29:10,458 --> 00:29:12,377
I probably couldn't tell you
if it was a guy or a girl.
546
00:29:12,460 --> 00:29:14,628
That's how far away I
was and it was dark out.
547
00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:18,799
Hopped in the car, started
it, and pulled out right away.
548
00:29:18,883 --> 00:29:21,343
It was like, there was no
warm-up or anything like that.
549
00:29:21,427 --> 00:29:23,596
So, I was like, "Wow,
this is really weird."
550
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:26,182
Backed out very aggressively
into a snow mound.
551
00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:27,600
We had a lotta
snow at that time.
552
00:29:29,143 --> 00:29:31,645
And the car got
stuck in the mound.
553
00:29:31,729 --> 00:29:34,982
Couldn't get out.
Opened the car door.
554
00:29:35,065 --> 00:29:37,902
They didn't go in the back and
try to dig it out, you know.
555
00:29:37,985 --> 00:29:40,779
They didn't even go and look
at it, why it was stuck.
556
00:29:40,863 --> 00:29:45,451
Left the door open and ran back
up their driveway to the right.
557
00:29:45,534 --> 00:29:47,411
And they went in
between the houses
558
00:29:47,495 --> 00:29:49,580
that was directly to
the right of them...
559
00:29:51,499 --> 00:29:52,666
...and disappeared.
560
00:29:56,587 --> 00:29:58,756
I went joyriding with
my friends in Jefferson
561
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:00,925
before... before
we were, you know,
562
00:30:01,008 --> 00:30:04,136
of age, so I thought that
might have been the situation,
563
00:30:04,220 --> 00:30:06,680
where somebody just
was trying to joyride
564
00:30:06,764 --> 00:30:09,600
and made a mistake and
just kinda just took off
565
00:30:09,683 --> 00:30:12,019
'cause they were scared.
566
00:30:12,102 --> 00:30:13,687
I headed back to Chris' party.
567
00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:16,273
What's up, buddy?
568
00:30:16,357 --> 00:30:18,025
Hey. Hey.
569
00:30:18,108 --> 00:30:19,485
What's up, dude? What's
up, dude? How are we doing?
570
00:30:19,568 --> 00:30:21,070
So, I went inside
and I told Chris.
571
00:30:21,153 --> 00:30:22,655
I said, "Hey, your
neighbor just backed out
572
00:30:22,738 --> 00:30:24,198
and left a car running
with the door open
573
00:30:24,281 --> 00:30:25,991
kind of in the middle
of the street."
574
00:30:26,075 --> 00:30:27,660
You know, I guess me
just passing that piece
575
00:30:27,743 --> 00:30:31,121
of information to him
satisfied me, you know?
576
00:30:31,205 --> 00:30:32,457
I was like, "Oh, I
kinda did my job.
577
00:30:32,540 --> 00:30:34,208
I let him know that there
was something outside
578
00:30:34,291 --> 00:30:37,127
that was a little unusual,
and he's not worried about it,
579
00:30:37,211 --> 00:30:38,491
so I'm not gonna
worry about it."
580
00:30:40,172 --> 00:30:41,674
I started having a couple beers.
581
00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:46,136
You know, it was
just a good time.
582
00:30:47,805 --> 00:30:50,558
I was down there for
maybe about 20 minutes.
583
00:30:52,142 --> 00:30:54,895
Then the Jefferson
police came.
584
00:30:54,979 --> 00:30:56,855
Detective Hart here. Police.
585
00:30:56,939 --> 00:30:58,732
Most people there
at Chris' house
586
00:30:58,816 --> 00:31:02,278
weren't 21 years old, you know,
so I was one of the minors.
587
00:31:02,361 --> 00:31:04,655
So I was really worried
about being in trouble
588
00:31:04,738 --> 00:31:06,240
for underage drinking.
589
00:31:06,323 --> 00:31:07,617
There was an incident
earlier tonight.
590
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:10,744
But they hit us right away with
591
00:31:10,828 --> 00:31:13,998
"Did anybody see
anything next door?"
592
00:31:14,081 --> 00:31:17,126
And I just kinda raised my
hand and opened my mouth.
593
00:31:17,209 --> 00:31:19,378
I saw something.
594
00:31:19,461 --> 00:31:21,338
Do you mind coming
with me, please?
595
00:31:21,422 --> 00:31:22,840
Yeah.
596
00:31:22,923 --> 00:31:24,758
They took me down to
the police station
597
00:31:24,842 --> 00:31:27,402
'cause they said they wanted to,
you know, do some questioning...
598
00:31:29,513 --> 00:31:31,307
You knew something happened,
599
00:31:31,390 --> 00:31:33,142
and that's when I really
started to get scared.
600
00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:52,328
I am a lifelong resident
of Jefferson Township,
601
00:31:52,411 --> 00:31:53,579
born and raised in the
Lake Shawnee section
602
00:31:53,662 --> 00:31:54,997
of the community.
603
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,540
I loved growing up there,
604
00:31:56,624 --> 00:31:58,042
raised my own family there
605
00:31:58,125 --> 00:32:00,461
in the house that I
actually grew up in.
606
00:32:00,544 --> 00:32:02,144
So can't get any more
hometown than that.
607
00:32:03,464 --> 00:32:05,299
For the last six years now,
608
00:32:05,382 --> 00:32:07,426
I've been the mayor
in Jefferson Township.
609
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:09,178
But in 1988,
610
00:32:09,261 --> 00:32:11,055
I was on the Jefferson
Township Police Department,
611
00:32:11,138 --> 00:32:12,681
at that point, about two years.
612
00:32:15,059 --> 00:32:17,770
That night, I was working
the midnight shift.
613
00:32:17,853 --> 00:32:20,105
At that point, they
were gonna do a search
614
00:32:20,189 --> 00:32:22,524
of the area looking
for Tommy Sullivan.
615
00:32:23,817 --> 00:32:26,612
For a lot of reasons, you know,
you wanna try to find him.
616
00:32:26,695 --> 00:32:28,280
What happened? Was
anybody else there?
617
00:32:28,364 --> 00:32:30,032
I mean, at that
point, you don't know.
618
00:32:30,115 --> 00:32:32,076
He was the missing
piece of, you know,
619
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:33,952
anybody at the home at the time,
620
00:32:34,036 --> 00:32:36,664
so, naturally, he's
the first suspect.
621
00:32:36,747 --> 00:32:39,249
On foot, he couldn't
have gotten too, too far,
622
00:32:39,333 --> 00:32:41,502
but it was imperative
to try to find him.
623
00:32:43,379 --> 00:32:46,173
At that time, we were
about 30 officers,
624
00:32:46,256 --> 00:32:48,008
which is relatively
small in New Jersey.
625
00:32:48,092 --> 00:32:51,095
We had a large area to
cover, 42 square miles.
626
00:32:51,178 --> 00:32:52,805
Not a big population.
627
00:32:52,888 --> 00:32:54,306
I think at that time
628
00:32:54,390 --> 00:32:58,769
we were probably running
about 18,000 people.
629
00:32:58,852 --> 00:33:00,854
But a wide area, a large area.
630
00:33:03,774 --> 00:33:06,819
My understanding is that my
parents talked to the police
631
00:33:06,902 --> 00:33:08,862
and said that Tommy
was not in there,
632
00:33:08,946 --> 00:33:10,823
and they were
literally just looking.
633
00:33:10,906 --> 00:33:12,408
Like, the police came in,
looked around in all the houses
634
00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:14,368
to see if Tommy was there,
635
00:33:14,451 --> 00:33:16,078
and then they went to the next
house to see if he was there.
636
00:33:16,161 --> 00:33:18,330
And it was just like kind
of a manhunt for Tommy.
637
00:33:18,414 --> 00:33:20,290
As all the investigators
start arriving,
638
00:33:20,374 --> 00:33:21,500
I started to become
more involved
639
00:33:21,583 --> 00:33:22,584
with the outside search.
640
00:33:25,421 --> 00:33:28,757
It started out where we
had to organize in teams.
641
00:33:28,841 --> 00:33:30,468
We didn't wanna damage
the scenes any more
642
00:33:30,551 --> 00:33:32,052
than what it was, so we held off
643
00:33:32,136 --> 00:33:33,846
on doing a foot search
of the general area.
644
00:33:36,765 --> 00:33:40,185
Initially, took a while
to get the K-9 unit there.
645
00:33:40,269 --> 00:33:42,855
You wanna get the K-9
there as quick as possible
646
00:33:42,938 --> 00:33:45,232
so that the scent
is still fresh.
647
00:33:45,315 --> 00:33:47,693
You know, another animal
comes through or anything
648
00:33:47,776 --> 00:33:50,028
that can distract the dog
off that particular scent.
649
00:33:51,655 --> 00:33:53,031
They started at the car
650
00:33:53,115 --> 00:33:55,075
where it was stuck
in a snowbank,
651
00:33:55,159 --> 00:33:56,660
and went across the street,
652
00:33:56,744 --> 00:33:58,162
through the neighbor's yard,
653
00:33:58,245 --> 00:34:00,497
and down and across
through the woods.
654
00:34:01,874 --> 00:34:04,293
White Rock is kind of a
planned community, you know,
655
00:34:04,376 --> 00:34:08,338
houses on one side, houses on
the other, and woods behind.
656
00:34:08,422 --> 00:34:11,467
We're walking through the woods
just looking for anything,
657
00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:13,177
looking for tracks,
looking for...
658
00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:15,053
You know, K-9 will lead you
659
00:34:15,137 --> 00:34:18,181
in different directions
and stuff like that.
660
00:34:18,264 --> 00:34:20,893
I was with the handler from
the sheriff's department
661
00:34:20,976 --> 00:34:22,978
tracking the dog from
White Rock Boulevard.
662
00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:24,730
We ended up all the way
out to Schoolhouse Road,
663
00:34:24,813 --> 00:34:26,190
which is a road
that runs parallel
664
00:34:26,273 --> 00:34:27,690
with White Rock Boulevard.
665
00:34:31,195 --> 00:34:33,279
Turns out what we were tracking
was one of the neighbors
666
00:34:33,362 --> 00:34:36,658
that thought they were being
helpful, trying to find Tommy.
667
00:34:40,746 --> 00:34:43,248
When the K-9 search didn't
come up with anything,
668
00:34:43,331 --> 00:34:44,792
then we started
branching out more
669
00:34:44,875 --> 00:34:46,668
and doing a search
of the neighborhood.
670
00:34:49,463 --> 00:34:50,714
A lot of things
going on in my mind
671
00:34:50,797 --> 00:34:52,299
about which way to proceed next.
672
00:34:52,382 --> 00:34:53,967
Wintertime, nighttime,
673
00:34:54,051 --> 00:34:55,678
so he's not gonna be
hanging around outside.
674
00:34:55,761 --> 00:34:57,888
So, you know, first thing
you're worried about
675
00:34:57,971 --> 00:34:59,098
is he trying to break
into somebody's home?
676
00:34:59,181 --> 00:35:00,891
He'd be known in the area
677
00:35:00,974 --> 00:35:02,643
'cause the neighbors
all knew each other,
678
00:35:02,726 --> 00:35:04,895
so they would know if
he tried to their house,
679
00:35:04,978 --> 00:35:06,939
they'd be calling us right away.
680
00:35:07,022 --> 00:35:09,024
At some point, it was
decided we needed to
681
00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:12,027
take Brian and his father
to the police station.
682
00:35:28,752 --> 00:35:33,841
A gentleman and his
son were in a room.
683
00:35:33,924 --> 00:35:35,843
They were, you know, very upset.
684
00:35:37,219 --> 00:35:38,720
I was scared.
685
00:35:42,641 --> 00:35:44,393
I didn't know what was going on,
686
00:35:44,476 --> 00:35:46,478
and I could tell the father
was really emotional.
687
00:35:49,398 --> 00:35:51,900
The father was pacing
back and forth...
688
00:35:54,444 --> 00:35:56,572
...saying, "I don't know
if I'm gonna hug him
689
00:35:56,655 --> 00:35:58,156
or if I'm gonna to kill him.
690
00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:59,950
When they find him, I
don't know if I'm gonna
691
00:36:00,033 --> 00:36:02,703
hug him or if I'm
gonna kill him."
692
00:36:02,786 --> 00:36:04,538
And that's when I
realized something,
693
00:36:04,621 --> 00:36:05,831
you know, really bad happened.
694
00:36:10,627 --> 00:36:12,796
Tom.
695
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,548
They took the father out,
696
00:36:14,631 --> 00:36:17,009
and they left me in the
room with the young boy.
697
00:36:20,721 --> 00:36:23,140
And I could hear a lot of
commotion through the door,
698
00:36:23,223 --> 00:36:25,392
and I realized that
somebody... somebody died.
699
00:36:29,062 --> 00:36:31,982
The boy was sitting
there crying.
700
00:36:44,661 --> 00:36:48,624
You know, I went over and,
you know, he didn't know me,
701
00:36:48,707 --> 00:36:49,791
I didn't know him.
702
00:36:49,875 --> 00:36:51,585
But, you know, he was crying.
703
00:36:51,668 --> 00:36:54,713
And then, you know,
I started crying.
704
00:36:54,796 --> 00:36:57,716
Not sure why. Don't know why.
705
00:36:57,799 --> 00:37:01,053
Maybe I was feeling
compassion for the boy.
706
00:37:01,136 --> 00:37:04,181
Maybe I was scared
that somebody died
707
00:37:04,264 --> 00:37:08,810
and I'm in the police station
and I'm being questioned, um...
708
00:37:08,894 --> 00:37:12,648
It was just a really
emotional experience for me.
709
00:37:12,731 --> 00:37:15,233
But I remember I was just
trying to comfort the boy,
710
00:37:15,317 --> 00:37:17,903
and I don't know
how long it was,
711
00:37:17,986 --> 00:37:21,073
but they pulled me in
for some questioning.
712
00:37:23,075 --> 00:37:25,035
I just remember
I needed to focus
713
00:37:25,118 --> 00:37:27,579
and give them every bit of
information as best I could,
714
00:37:27,663 --> 00:37:30,916
but it was certainly
a tough time for sure.
715
00:37:33,961 --> 00:37:36,755
There was a lot of concern
about Brian that night.
716
00:37:38,382 --> 00:37:40,092
Tell me everything
you remember tonight.
717
00:37:42,761 --> 00:37:46,223
And then he started
talking about it.
718
00:37:46,306 --> 00:37:50,352
And what he related to me was
his interaction with Tommy.
719
00:37:55,482 --> 00:37:58,068
Brian Sullivan, age 10,
720
00:37:58,151 --> 00:38:00,153
states that he and
his brother Tom
721
00:38:00,237 --> 00:38:02,781
had watched TV in the
downstairs family room
722
00:38:02,864 --> 00:38:06,368
from approximately 8:00
p.m. to 10:00 p. m.
723
00:38:06,451 --> 00:38:07,953
During this time,
724
00:38:08,036 --> 00:38:10,330
his mother remained
upstairs with his father,
725
00:38:10,414 --> 00:38:11,414
who wasn't feeling well.
726
00:38:13,458 --> 00:38:14,501
Did you see that?
727
00:38:25,053 --> 00:38:27,723
Brian, come on.
It's time for bed.
728
00:38:27,806 --> 00:38:29,224
Say good night.
729
00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:30,600
Good night, Tom.
730
00:38:34,646 --> 00:38:36,982
At approximately 10:00 p.m.,
731
00:38:37,065 --> 00:38:38,734
he went to his
room to go to bed.
732
00:38:40,569 --> 00:38:42,029
Hail Mary, who art in heaven...
733
00:38:42,112 --> 00:38:43,989
He said his prayers.
734
00:38:44,072 --> 00:38:46,783
...On Earth as it is in heaven.
735
00:38:46,867 --> 00:38:48,744
Give us this day
our daily bread.
736
00:38:48,827 --> 00:38:52,581
A short time later, he got
up to go to the bathroom.
737
00:38:52,664 --> 00:38:56,334
He got up and came basically
face-to-face with Tommy.
738
00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:01,089
He saw his brother Tom,
739
00:39:01,173 --> 00:39:04,217
who appeared all hyped
up, shaking, and nervous.
740
00:39:04,301 --> 00:39:05,844
Tom?
741
00:39:08,513 --> 00:39:10,515
Noticed that Tommy was
getting cleaned up.
742
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:13,018
It looked like he had
blood on his hands,
743
00:39:13,101 --> 00:39:15,145
bloody towel, that
type of thing.
744
00:39:15,228 --> 00:39:17,105
And asked him what had happened.
745
00:39:17,189 --> 00:39:19,858
And Tommy just kind of
said, "Don't worry about it.
746
00:39:19,941 --> 00:39:22,402
I just cut myself. It's
all taken care of."
747
00:39:22,486 --> 00:39:24,946
Tom then told Brian
to go back to bed
748
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:26,740
and "Don't wake up Daddy."
749
00:39:29,117 --> 00:39:31,453
Brian then states
he became scared
750
00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:34,581
and went back to his bedroom
to find his stuffed animals.
751
00:39:37,667 --> 00:39:39,294
It wasn't long after that
752
00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:41,630
that the smoke alarm
in the house went off,
753
00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:44,883
and that's what kind of
sparked the series of events
754
00:39:44,966 --> 00:39:48,470
that led to the discovery of
Betty Ann in the basement.
755
00:40:00,899 --> 00:40:03,944
I would say it was maybe
45 minutes to an hour
756
00:40:04,027 --> 00:40:05,362
before I was sent
back on patrol.
757
00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:11,993
So, I'm driving and I remember
758
00:40:12,077 --> 00:40:13,745
a lot of things were
going through my mind
759
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:15,622
thinking about what
the father told me.
760
00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:21,294
Just didn't feel right to me.
761
00:40:21,378 --> 00:40:24,464
For a father to draw a
conclusion that quickly,
762
00:40:24,548 --> 00:40:26,800
to go from knowing
nothing to saying,
763
00:40:26,883 --> 00:40:29,886
"Get my son," when you don't
even know where your son is.
764
00:40:29,970 --> 00:40:32,514
He was very adamant,
"My son did this.
765
00:40:32,597 --> 00:40:36,476
"Look, he tried to burn the
house down," buh-buh-buh.
766
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,895
But how do you know
that? You were sleeping.
767
00:40:38,979 --> 00:40:42,232
Said that the smoke
detector woke him up.
768
00:40:42,315 --> 00:40:44,818
And already in my
mind, I'm thinking,
769
00:40:44,901 --> 00:40:46,570
"That brutal murder
didn't wake you up
770
00:40:46,653 --> 00:40:48,572
in that little tiny house?"
771
00:40:48,655 --> 00:40:50,490
I found it a little odd.
772
00:40:51,992 --> 00:40:53,451
You never searched your house.
773
00:40:53,535 --> 00:40:54,953
Why are you gonna look
at a high school party?
774
00:40:55,036 --> 00:40:57,122
Why wouldn't you look
in your house first?
775
00:40:57,205 --> 00:41:01,376
And why did you have
teenagers call headquarters?
776
00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:03,712
How did you go from going
down the street to the party,
777
00:41:03,795 --> 00:41:05,755
to coming back and knowing
that your son did this?
778
00:41:07,048 --> 00:41:08,925
At minimum,
779
00:41:09,009 --> 00:41:11,219
I felt like he knew a lot
more than he was telling me.
780
00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:19,060
My shift ended.
I didn't go home.
781
00:41:19,144 --> 00:41:21,730
I went to my parents' house,
782
00:41:21,813 --> 00:41:23,857
and I remember I was
still in uniform,
783
00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:26,359
and my dad came out and
said, "What's going on?"
784
00:41:28,278 --> 00:41:31,239
I was really just
becoming an adult, really,
785
00:41:31,323 --> 00:41:33,158
like 20-something years old.
786
00:41:33,241 --> 00:41:35,035
Didn't experience much in life.
787
00:41:36,786 --> 00:41:40,165
And I just kind of
told him what happened.
788
00:41:40,248 --> 00:41:44,127
You know, that we found
this woman that was,
789
00:41:44,211 --> 00:41:46,671
like, brutally murdered,
790
00:41:46,755 --> 00:41:49,841
and I was trying to process it.
791
00:41:49,925 --> 00:41:51,551
It was terrible.
792
00:41:53,261 --> 00:41:54,804
And it bothered me.
793
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,351
My dad, he was like,
"You know, it's terrible,
794
00:41:59,434 --> 00:42:02,604
but imagine what
kids in Vietnam saw.
795
00:42:02,687 --> 00:42:04,527
You know, like, they went
through a lot worse."
796
00:42:06,858 --> 00:42:09,402
Back then you didn't
really discuss
797
00:42:09,486 --> 00:42:11,988
your emotions or anything.
798
00:42:12,072 --> 00:42:15,033
He always taught us to be men.
799
00:42:15,116 --> 00:42:17,994
And so I just buried
it. Compartmentalized.
800
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,625
You know, you can't
be a cry baby.
801
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:41,185
Not only did we
search the woods
802
00:42:41,268 --> 00:42:43,144
behind the homes
across the street,
803
00:42:43,228 --> 00:42:45,272
but we had a condo development
804
00:42:45,355 --> 00:42:47,023
that were just being
built at that time,
805
00:42:47,107 --> 00:42:50,652
and you're talking a
couple hundred units.
806
00:42:50,735 --> 00:42:53,655
You just don't know what
you were going to run into,
807
00:42:53,738 --> 00:42:58,994
if in fact, you found him or,
you know, other people with him.
808
00:42:59,077 --> 00:43:00,745
You have to have that
little sense of fear
809
00:43:00,829 --> 00:43:03,248
just to get the adrenaline
going a little bit,
810
00:43:03,331 --> 00:43:05,333
you know, and to help
you do your job better.
811
00:43:05,417 --> 00:43:06,710
So it was pretty intense.
812
00:43:11,214 --> 00:43:13,300
We don't know if
we have a teenager
813
00:43:13,383 --> 00:43:15,844
or young boy that
is out of his mind
814
00:43:15,927 --> 00:43:18,138
somewhere with a
knife doing something,
815
00:43:18,221 --> 00:43:20,390
or we don't know if
he hurt himself or...
816
00:43:20,473 --> 00:43:22,073
you know, we don't
know much of anything.
817
00:43:23,601 --> 00:43:25,520
Was he gonna hurt neighbors?
818
00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:27,689
What was he gonna do?
You know, where was he?
819
00:43:29,691 --> 00:43:31,901
What happened? Was
anybody else there?
820
00:43:31,985 --> 00:43:33,403
I mean, at that
point, you don't know.
821
00:43:33,486 --> 00:43:35,447
Was there other people involved?
822
00:43:35,530 --> 00:43:37,282
I mean, he could be
another homicide victim,
823
00:43:37,365 --> 00:43:38,950
for all we know at
that point in time.
824
00:43:39,034 --> 00:43:40,660
Was there a fight?
825
00:43:40,744 --> 00:43:42,246
Did the kid run because
he saw something?
826
00:43:42,329 --> 00:43:44,372
Don't know.
827
00:43:44,456 --> 00:43:46,666
He's the missing link.
828
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:48,335
He's the one that
will have answers.
60412
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