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I think the main reason we're all
sitting in front of the camera
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and exposing our demons,
if you like, or our truths,
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is because the financial abuse
in football
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and the dark side of football
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is something that's gone
under the radar for too long.
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And Murphy...scores!
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I know the amounts. I've lost...
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..four, maybe, five.
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Four or five million, roughly.
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A lot of people think,
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"You're overpaid, anyway. Big deal.
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"You were fortunate. You messed
it up. Now you're like us."
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People will assume I've got
another four. Well, I haven't.
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The financial abuse I've suffered
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has caused me monumental problems
in my life.
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Unfortunately, I am certainly
not a lone wolf in this story.
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What an outstanding goal!
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To Tommy Johnson!
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It's Craig Short.
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And Deane scores!
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Thousands of football players
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have been manipulated...
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..by financial advisers
and had their money taken.
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Players have been left in
a devastating financial position.
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The only people that have
made money are the advisers.
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On top of that,
they've got crippling tax bills...
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..which will, in some cases,
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bankrupt them
and make them homeless.
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Marriages have broken down.
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Friendships have been destroyed.
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People are suicidal.
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Justice is for those
who want it the most.
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You've got to fight for it.
It doesn't come easy.
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You've just got to keep going.
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This has been the scandal of
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the Premier League era...
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..and it needs to be exposed.
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I don't want to be here today.
I'm sure my former team-mates
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and colleagues
don't want to be here either.
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We've been pulled together
for the last decade
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to fight this scandal.
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But today is about highlighting
a silent epidemic that is affecting
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people from all walks of life,
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with sometimes tragic consequences.
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We want justice. We want
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the Government to take notice.
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From our group, the V11,
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we've been together
nigh on ten years now.
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Everybody has come at us,
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but we just keep on fighting.
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And we won't stop
until we get justice.
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What do we want? Justice!
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When do we want it? Now!
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Enough's enough!
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Financial misconduct is a huge
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problem for people all over the UK.
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Enough is enough. And we stand
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shoulder to shoulder
with all these victims
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to march and campaign for reform.
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Thank you very much.
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We want justice!
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What do we want? Justice!
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When do we want it? Now!
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What do we want? Justice!
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When do we want it? Now!
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You're invincible
when you're playing.
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Everyone loves you.
You're getting paid every week.
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Everything's done for you,
given to you on a plate.
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Murphy...
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Oh, my goodness!
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Danny Murphy!
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All right?
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I've got someone in my ear
to tell me if I do it wrong.
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But there's loads of
pitfalls out there.
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How long have we got?
Are we on time?
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All right, then, stand by VT...
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Counting into the
programme in four,
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three, two, one... Mix 4, cue Gary.
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Hello.
Six games on the way,
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with last-minute winners,
floodlight failures,
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and even a drone stopping play.
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And speaking of drones,
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Alan Shearer and Danny Murphy
are here!
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- Camera 1.
- At West Ham...
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As the Premier League grew and
finances grew, the sharks...grew.
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Rhythm Is A Dancer
by Snap
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A whole new ballgame.
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An historic season for English
football begins on Saturday...
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Whatever it takes.
The biggest change in
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the 104-year history
of English football.
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As the Premier League kicks off...
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What a goal! Yeah, they've got it!
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The day the Premier League
started, in 1992,
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was the day when football
changed overnight.
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Money flooded into the game.
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With the TV revenues coming in...
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MUSIC OFF
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..suddenly, these young kids,
who haven't often had much money,
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and their families haven't
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had much money,
are suddenly awash with money.
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Inevitably, you're going to
get these people coming in,
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trying to get a piece of it.
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I don't think the clubs
cared too much, really.
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If you were a friend of a player
and you were in finance,
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you could get access to anyone.
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You could get in the training
ground and speak to the lads.
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So before you know it, you're under
the wing of a financial adviser
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or a company that you don't know.
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We were in an environment where
we should have felt protected.
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All we came to do
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was play football,
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you know, and if you're playing
elite-level football,
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you need to be able
to trust somebody.
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At the very heart of this
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are Kingsbridge Asset Management.
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They inserted themselves
in the space between the players,
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the agent and the club.
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And they said, "What we have
is the financial expertise
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"to manage your money."
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And there weren't many people
offering that at that time.
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They were founded by
David McKee and Kevin McMenamin.
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They started out in Nottingham.
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The Premier League took them into
a complete different stratosphere.
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Off the car! Off the car!
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McKee always claimed that he'd
played for Ross County
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and, therefore,
he understood the football world.
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Can't get away from
all these autographs!
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So his pitch to the footballers was,
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"I understand what's driving you
and your needs.
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"This is a big family,
and you're a member of the family.
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"Come in the warm embrace
of Kingsbridge.
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"We'll look after you."
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Kingsbridge, they seemed to be
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in line with what everybody
wanted at the time,
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which was to have somebody
looking after your finances
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for when you finish playing.
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It was like wildfire word of mouth.
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"I'm being looked after
by these guys.
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"Maybe you should talk to them."
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So if they got the, you know,
the most influential person
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in the changing rooms, you felt
that you were in a safe place.
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You see all these super-big names
who you've looked up to.
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The brochure, this big company,
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all these wonderful
international footballers...
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Never mind just players - managers.
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The really smart move very
early on was getting into
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the League Managers Association.
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Kingsbridge ran the website for
the League Managers Association.
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They had a quote where
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chairman Howard Wilkinson
endorsed Kingsbridge.
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Once they were in with the managers,
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the pressure on everybody else in
the dressing room is just immense.
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Leeds United have today signed
the Wallace twins,
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Rod and Raymond, from Southampton.
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Leeds have been chasing
Rod for months,
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and although Rod,
on the left, is the star,
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Leeds are glad to have both of them.
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It's expected the deal
will cost Leeds about
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a million-and-a-half pounds.
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OK, gentlemen...
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That was a record signing
at the time,
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which is, like, peanuts now,
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but it was a record
signing for Leeds.
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The signing of the contract!
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If the opportunity for me to have
a terrifically balanced team,
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age-wise, comes along, I'm going to
dive in and take that opportunity.
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But I think we can win next week
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by signing Old Mother Riley,
then we'll sign her.
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LAUGHTER
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Howard Wilkinson was the manager.
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A Sergeant Major.
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He had his, he had his character of,
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you know, being strict
and all that sort of stuff.
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INAUDIBLE OVER CROWD NOISE
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In that first season,
we won the First Division.
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Now Speed. Wallace again.
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He was a bit lucky then.
I think he might have been
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trying to play it back to Speed,
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but on he goes.
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He's made his own luck.
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Rodney Wallace...
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What an outstanding goal,
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on an outstanding day
for Leeds United!
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It's their finest hour.
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Leeds United are worthy champions.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
the man who has made it possible.
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Please welcome...Sergeant Wilko,
Howard Wilkinson!
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CHEERING
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Here he comes,
complete with family...
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You all right? Mm-hm. You?
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Hello!
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Hey! Hello. Come on...
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It was one of
the major advantages for us
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to know that our managers
were involved in
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the, uh, in the company,
Kingsbridge.
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Me and my wife were looking to,
uh, have a family.
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Just make sure that our finances
were in a good place.
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So it was just a natural thing,
really, to go with them.
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2008 or '09,
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I knew that something
was going wrong.
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I'm a practising investment
fraud lawyer, and dual-qualified
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as a chartered financial planner.
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I got introduced to Rod Wallace
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by a sporting football charity.
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He appeared to essentially be
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in a desperate financial position,
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as a result of all of the
advice and the investments
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that he'd been advised to take out.
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Film schemes were a really
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integral part to the story.
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British films with budgets of
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15 million or less will qualify for
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100% write-off for tax purposes,
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when the film is completed...
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The origin of the film schemes
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lies with the UK Government.
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What the Government wanted to do
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was invest in
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the film industry in this country.
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So what they did was to say that
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if ordinary people
invested in making films,
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we would be allowed
to write that investment off
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against our own tax.
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It was, in its conception,
entirely legitimate,
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and it's what people
wanted to happen.
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What the Government didn't envisage
was that the tax advantages
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that they'd put into legislation
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would be abused and would be
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turned into a financial product.
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They're insanely complicated.
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The easy part is saying
you get a tax break.
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It's a no-brainer.
They're safe and secure,
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government-backed, like a pension.
Who's going to say no?
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Kingsbridge, for recommending
these schemes,
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would have been paid
very significant commissions.
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In some cases, £60,000,
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£70,000 per scheme.
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What was beautiful about the film
scheme, in terms of Kingsbridge,
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it gave them instant access
to 40% of the total investment
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on each and every film scheme.
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I'm the football player,
for example.
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Kingsbridge is saying to me,
"Give me 100 grand."
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I say, "Yes, I trust you."
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You take my 100 grand,
you then leverage another £900,000
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from a variety of
well-known, famous banks.
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Kingsbridge put that money
in the film schemes...
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..and for that million quid,
you get 400 grand back.
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You could do as you see fit
with that money, as long as
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you pay the thing back
in 15 years' time.
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The problem was the 400 grand
never got invested properly.
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Often, it went into property schemes
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which were controlled by
Kingsbridge, which then failed.
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When it all collapses...
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..you have no money, and HMRC
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come and say, you do owe the tax.
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My worth at the time
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would have been 1.9 million.
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With the film schemes...
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HE CHUCKLES
..it's gone. Yeah, it's gone.
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You try and keep the house
as happy as possible.
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Having the chats about
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what we've been going through...
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..you can't really do that.
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No, we don't really
talk about it too much.
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I mean, it's been going on
for so long that
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unless there's, you know, like,
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some major change...
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..I suppose you try not to
think about it too much. No.
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Well, it's just
heartbreaking, really.
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Kingsbridge have landed me with
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a 1.6-million tax bill.
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If the HMRC get their way,
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then that would be
the end of my financial life.
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I'll be bankrupt, erm, homeless...
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Yeah, it would be...
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It would be devastating.
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If someone says, "I want to put
all this money aside for the future,
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"because I've got a long
retirement ahead of me,"
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and the adviser recommends something
that's completely different to that,
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then absolutely,
that is both negligent advice
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and, in some cases,
it will be illegal.
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Rod then introduced me to
a number of other players
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that he was close to,
and the scale of it became apparent.
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You've got the number-one
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financial advisory company promoting
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a secure future for its clients
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and taking the cream of
the Premier League,
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the internationals, the top players,
the top managers,
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and ruining lives.
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Sometimes, I wish
I'd never been a professional.
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Marcus!
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Enjoy it. All right?
Try and relax, OK?
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Use it!
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I think he can go... Look, Cameron!
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I started off non-league.
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Years later,
I'm going for a record fee
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as a defender.
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And I thought, right,
I'm going to be made for life
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if I invest my money properly.
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I thought I was given
the right advice.
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The more we've researched,
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then you understand then, the anger
has just grown and grown and grown.
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Once Kingsbridge got the money in
from the film schemes,
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then the next stage was to say,
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"Well, what we'll do is, we'll
put you into property schemes."
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Charlotte Harbor was a development
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on the West Coast of Florida,
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of condominiums.
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Commission on some of these
very risky products
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could have been 20% or 30%
of the amounts invested.
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Many of these schemes were
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unregulated, overseas,
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high-risk structures,
with a high chance of failure.
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I remember them putting
a big plan out on the table
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at the training ground.
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Players are gathering round
who are clients of Kingsbridge.
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"That's where the money's
going to go. It's a safe bet."
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And that's when everyone just said,
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"OK, then, we'll put
our money in there."
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Charlotte Harbor
was promised to be...
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..a sort of cross between
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Long Island and California.
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Charlotte Harbor actually was
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a windswept stretch of sand,
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next to an industrial complex.
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They were ridiculously overvalued,
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and it appears now
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that the people who had
the vested interest
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in Charlotte Harbor were the people
involved in Kingsbridge.
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Nobody properly advised
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would have put their money
into that scheme.
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I was told the valuation
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was at about 25% higher
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than what we purchased them for.
338
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Within a few years, you realised
that it was nowhere near that.
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The first one
had no value whatsoever.
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I had a huge mortgage on it,
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which I just couldn't
afford the repayments,
342
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so the easiest thing for me
to do was walk away,
343
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giving the keys back.
344
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I never even went there!
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For these people to come
into my life and be my friends
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and then take my money...
347
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..and be able to get away with it...
348
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,520
I mean, sometimes,
you want to hurt people.
349
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,720
They came into my life for years
350
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and then financially abused me.
351
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All of his investments have gone...
352
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,320
..and he's facing
a £1 million liability,
353
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,120
If you pay the Revenue
£50,000 a year,
354
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it would take 30 years.
355
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The... The anger and the...
356
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,280
And... See, even now,
I'm talking now, I can feel it now.
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I'm fortunate, I've got
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00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,800
a very good job,
359
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:05,720
but people I thought were my
friends took away my future.
360
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
361
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,120
The problems came
when Craig retired.
362
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,680
He started receiving
brown envelopes from HMRC.
363
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,800
The bills were huge,
364
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,240
absolutely huge.
365
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,520
We discovered that Craig's
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00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,000
total liability was £1.6 million.
367
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,200
Thank you for all your
support for the family.
368
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,920
So thank you all, and
happy birthday. All the best.
369
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,240
So the first thing we did
was reach out to HMRC.
370
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,240
Unfortunately, we didn't
get a very good response.
371
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,240
What they said to Craig was,
372
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,120
"We're going to bankrupt you
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"every year of your working life."
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00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,200
He also received a bankruptcy
petition on Christmas Eve.
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00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,320
I'm sitting there thinking, "God,
I'm accused of being a tax avoider."
376
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,600
I broke down in the meeting,
377
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,160
and that was the end of
the meeting, really.
378
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:04,480
She could have easily
just walked away.
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00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,040
Easily walked away.
380
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,840
When there's letters
coming through the door,
381
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,600
when there's bailiffs knocking
on the door, most people would.
382
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,600
Thank you. Could I get a taxi
to Farringdon, please? Yeah.
383
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,000
I began my career as a solicitor
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00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,560
and criminal defence lawyer.
385
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,200
I'm devoted to this cause.
386
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,880
It has completely transformed
everything, really.
387
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,440
I'm Carly Barnes. You all know me.
388
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,920
I'm chairing the panel.
I'm also Secretariat for the APPG.
389
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,040
I obviously felt
completely protective of Craig
390
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,000
and that I needed to help Craig
as my partner,
391
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,880
but also, at the same time,
392
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,080
we were hearing amongst our network,
393
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,080
if you like, of all these stories.
394
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,400
That's right, Carly. Obviously,
I'll walk it through... Mm.
395
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,880
They'd ask how he is.
He'd say, "I'm good, apart from..."
396
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,440
And then that would trigger
a conversation, where they'd say,
397
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,040
"Oh, my God, you as well!"
398
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,000
Hiya, Sean, it's Carly.
I just got your message...
399
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,800
Word started getting round
that I was trying to help people,
400
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,040
because of my legal background.
401
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,120
In Craig's case, he had bailiffs
coming to the training ground,
402
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:19,040
when he was trying to work.
403
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,400
I said, "Look,
I haven't got the money.
404
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,480
"I'm at the end of my career.
I'm done."
405
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:30,760
We had about 200 Kingsbridge
clients reach out to us,
406
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,720
and it was just like
a chain reaction.
407
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,040
They don't want to hear from
408
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,120
the individuals themselves.
409
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:39,600
Make them understand
410
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,120
the humanity of this.
411
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,400
So what I came up with was,
412
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,960
why don't we form a team...
413
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,600
..of 11 people that will represent
everybody, eventually?
414
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,600
And 11 people from different walks
of life, different circumstances...
415
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,200
..that are really committed
to finding a solution.
416
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,320
It was March 2016
417
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,120
when we first got together.
418
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,480
We have, within the group,
419
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,960
team captains...
420
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,960
..Premier League title holders,
421
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,520
Champions League winners...
422
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:27,880
..FA Cup winners.
423
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,720
This is a group of
extraordinarily successful players.
424
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,440
The group is called the V11.
425
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,720
V is for victors.
426
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,600
They were big names in the game.
427
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,480
They created some of the biggest
428
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,200
sports stories in British history.
429
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,480
A good ball by Dixon.
430
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,320
Finding Smith. For Thomas.
431
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,600
Charging through the midfield,
432
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,720
Thomas! It's up for grabs now!
433
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,160
Thomas!
434
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,800
Right at the end!
435
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,680
I'm just living like a clown.
436
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,560
All fun on the outside,
laughing and joking...
437
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,000
..but every day...
438
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,600
..I think about a lot of things.
439
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,120
Self-harming...
440
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,760
And I'm one of the lucky ones.
441
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,200
It was tough even just to speak out,
442
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,680
but I thought, I have to speak out
443
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,800
for people who are
suffering in silence.
444
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,360
There's sportsmen out there
445
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,760
who are struggling,
446
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,680
all by themselves,
447
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,200
without no help at all,
448
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,560
who are frightened
to turn to anybody.
449
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,840
You feel like, how could
you have been so stupid?
450
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,480
You look around at your family,
you don't feel worthy.
451
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,120
But having said all of that,
452
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,240
you actually have to
go out every day,
453
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,360
and you put your veneer on
and you say...
454
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,000
You smile, you get dressed, you say,
455
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,480
"Well, I'm Brian Deane
and everything's great.
456
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,520
"Everything's fantastic."
457
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,920
My advice was
the V11 engage some investigators
458
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,640
who can actually look at it
and say, is it mis-selling,
459
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,280
or is it actually
much worse than that?
460
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,640
We began work on this
461
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,800
back in May of 2016.
462
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:59,520
We've amassed 60,000 pieces of
information and documentation.
463
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,800
Forgeries, hidden interests,
464
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,440
alleged criminality.
465
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,760
And we've got reports
and witness statements
466
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,640
from key staff members
at Kingsbridge.
467
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,600
Those that were there to guide,
support them,
468
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,560
left them with no money,
469
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,440
no prospects and a retirement
of pain and anguish.
470
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,040
The stark reality is,
they're on a knife edge.
471
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,280
We are doing this for nothing.
472
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,800
It's a matter of justice.
473
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,080
Tommy Johnson,
you promised me that goal
474
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,720
before the game, and you got it.
475
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,000
Yeah, can't believe it.
476
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,720
I think promotion, we come here
for first, and then to score,
477
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,120
it's brilliant.
478
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,840
CROWD CHANT AND CHEER
479
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,120
All I ever wanted to
do was play football.
480
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,160
School team, district, county...
481
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,920
..then got spotted by Notts County.
482
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,480
Turned pro, 75 quid a week.
483
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,960
Got in the first team, 17, 18.
484
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,280
We got promotion in
successive seasons.
485
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,360
Getting it into Tommy Johnson.
486
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,720
A brilliant goal!
487
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,480
Tommy Johnson, his second!
488
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,120
You're 19 and 20, playing at
Wembley and scoring goals.
489
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,240
Can you just say a couple of words?
490
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,000
Went to Derby, then went to Villa.
491
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,360
Then went to Celtic.
492
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,400
I was on £8,000 a week.
493
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,960
Four-and-a-half years.
494
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,040
Larsson! It opens up for him...
495
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,600
Unselfishly to Tommy Johnson!
496
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,680
Johnson gets the party going!
497
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,000
Won the league!
We've won the league!
498
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,360
Winning the treble, scoring a goal,
499
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,240
win the league...
No, doesn't get any better.
500
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,400
Oh, here we are!
501
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,040
Box of photos.
502
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,920
Can have a look through these.
503
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,480
Kingsbridge started representing me
504
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,240
through our ex-agent.
505
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,320
Holidays...
506
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,920
We all lived in Nottingham,
507
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,520
so we had that connection.
508
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,360
There were my financial advisers
509
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,840
and a lot of the players'
financial advisers at Villa.
510
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,520
Oh, hang on!
511
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,360
League Cup, 1996. Dear me!
512
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,360
They were there.
513
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,640
Got them tickets.
514
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,800
Probably one of the best games ever
515
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,440
for Aston Villa.
516
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,640
Here's Villa with another attack.
517
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,680
Savo Milosevic...
518
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,680
Oh, a terrific goal!
519
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,960
The Coca Cola Cup final
520
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,120
has been won by Aston Villa.
521
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,480
Oh, there you go!
522
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,040
Wow!
523
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,600
Them two and me in the background.
524
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,400
Oh, here we are.
525
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,040
Me, obviously, there.
526
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,040
We've won... We won 3-0.
527
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,520
And then Dave McKee,
528
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,040
Kevin McMenamin.
529
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,640
Not many people get to hold
530
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,240
the League Cup in their hands,
do they? And...
531
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,360
..drinking out of it.
532
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,800
Bastards.
533
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:10,600
That just shows how close they were.
534
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,920
People will turn round and say
they were just financial advisers.
535
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,040
They weren't. They were friends.
536
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:44,200
I was probably
the closest one to them.
537
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,200
We went away together.
538
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,360
They came to my wedding.
539
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,560
These guys have just
ruined our lives.
540
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,040
They've got so embedded
in their lifestyle,
541
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,280
they know their family,
they know the children.
542
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,160
They'll run their lives,
their financial lives for them.
543
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,760
It becomes a relationship of trust.
544
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,400
And of course, the more it grows,
545
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,520
the bigger the scope for dishonesty,
546
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,160
because nobody is checking at all.
547
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,480
These guys didn't have a chance.
548
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,400
The way that their advisers
were working,
549
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,000
they could not have
stopped this happening.
550
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,800
So this is a, this is an investment
report that was provided
551
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,720
for a professional footballer
in December 2006.
552
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:28,840
Was setting out some recommendations
and a summary of his asset base,
553
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,880
really dealing with
his income needs in retirement.
554
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:39,240
You know, this report tells him
that his assets are £12.2 million.
555
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:43,560
And in terms of liabilities,
there's no real mention of,
556
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,960
you know, the millions of pounds
of film scheme liabilities
557
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,120
that we, that we know he's got
which, you know, in my view,
558
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:56,480
would have given him
a completely false understanding
559
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,480
of what his true position was
and his true net worth.
560
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,400
The reality of where he's at today
is a million miles away.
561
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,000
Because of Kingsbridge,
the largest tax bill I've seen
562
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,480
is about 20 million.
563
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,840
For the V11...
564
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,600
..the average is
north of £1 million.
565
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,400
People say to me,
oh, you don't really talk that much.
566
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,840
You don't ask questions.
567
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,760
Turn around...
568
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,560
My dad used to say,
569
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,880
"Ask no questions,
get told no lies."
570
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:45,160
And this whole saga's
been full of lies,
571
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,640
full of greed.
572
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,480
Davis... Oh, what a finish!
573
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,320
Sean Davis secures
574
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,440
the First Division title for Fulham!
575
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,840
Oh, it's fantastic.
I've been here a long time now
576
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,880
and this is,
it's the best time ever.
577
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,360
Bring on the Premiership!
578
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,120
I'll get this in.
579
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,400
Split up with my ex
580
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,040
about three years ago now.
581
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,320
We get on quite well.
582
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,000
Duvet on...
583
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,600
I started getting the brown letters
through the door, HMRC,
584
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,680
and it was a big shock to
the system,
585
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,920
and I kind of took
it onboard myself.
586
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,280
Shut myself off.
587
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,000
To have any successful relationship,
communication's key,
588
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,800
and I kind of
destroyed that, really.
589
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,400
This is the one.
590
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:01,600
That was the first
591
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,280
Premier League game I played.
592
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,680
Away to Man United.
593
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:13,280
I can tell people that
594
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,440
I outran Henry and Vieira.
595
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,960
I don't think I did,
596
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,160
but it looks like I did!
597
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,520
HE LAUGHS
598
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,400
Good times.
599
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,200
Yeah.
600
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,520
The Premier League signing here.
601
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:32,920
It's always a good thing.
602
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,960
I've been painting and decorating
with my mate.
603
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,120
I wish I would have just
enjoyed the money more.
604
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,240
The sad thing is, when I'm at my
happiest is when I've had a drink...
605
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,480
..cos you kind of forget about it.
606
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,560
But then when I wake up
the next day,
607
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:57,960
that's when I'm at my worst.
608
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,960
I literally want to kill myself
the next day. That's how I feel.
609
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,840
That's why I love fishing.
It just gets me away.
610
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,200
Davis...
611
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,360
Oh, what a finish!
612
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,960
I used to be the life and soul.
613
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,800
Now stands the clock
at five to three,
614
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,680
and once more, there's
football here to see.
615
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,160
Carl Bradshaw with the long throw.
616
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,680
Cork waiting on the edge of
617
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,160
the six-yard area.
618
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,560
And Deane scores!
619
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,120
I go over to see my
parents every week
620
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,200
and I come through the door, my mum,
621
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,000
she treats me like
a little kid still, you know?
622
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,760
Yeah, we're happy to know that,
you know, he's a footballer
623
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,680
and his name be in the papers
624
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,000
and sometimes on television.
625
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,720
You know, it makes us feel happy.
626
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,000
To be able to say,
627
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,120
"Mum, Daddy, I'm going to help you,"
628
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,760
those things mean more to me
629
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,880
than scoring the first goal.
630
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,120
I left Sheffield United
631
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,760
and it was Howard Wilkinson
who signed me at Leeds.
632
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,840
At Elland Road,
633
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,720
Howard Wilkinson
is always in demand.
634
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,120
There is no hotter property
than the Leeds United manager.
635
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,440
He was up there with
a lot of the top managers
636
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,480
across Europe at the time.
637
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,000
It seemed like a match
made in heaven, really.
638
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,080
Here is Brolin. Chipped in...
639
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,280
And it's there!
640
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,480
Football was
an opportunity to dream.
641
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,120
Go this way. Go! Come on.
642
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,080
Fast as you can,
stand upright, come on.
643
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,600
My dad had said,
644
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,040
having your own house,
645
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,440
having no debt, if there's
one thing that you can have,
646
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,720
nobody can tell you what to do
in your own house, type thing.
647
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,240
So that was always
at the back of my mind.
648
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,840
I bought my first house
when I was 20.
649
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,880
I had a tenant in there.
650
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,360
I was doing good.
651
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,280
That's Michael Thomas's
wedding, in the Bahamas.
652
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,960
There's Mickey.
653
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,520
There's me, on Mickey's shoulder.
654
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,800
And there's McKee.
655
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,960
Now, that's somebody who is
656
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,640
quite happy to observe
657
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,320
and look for the opportunities.
658
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,760
As soon as I met McKee, it felt
quite invasive because he says,
659
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,600
"Right, what are you earning?
What have you got?"
660
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,240
And then he came back and he says,
"Right, OK, well,
661
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,520
"probably a good idea
to sell your house."
662
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:17,600
If I'm ashamed to say,
663
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,960
I just kind of thought that
they knew better than me.
664
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,080
They knew every penny that we had
665
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,840
and they were going to
666
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,240
invest it for us.
667
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,640
Monte Resina is this
block of ten flats in Spain.
668
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,760
Nothing was as it really seemed.
669
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,560
Four of the 11 end up buying
670
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,520
apartments in Monte Resina.
671
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,800
They pay over 600,000 euros
for each one.
672
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,160
Yeah, I went out and played golf
with McKee out there.
673
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,200
They brought it to me
and the other lads
674
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,640
like it was
a very exclusive development...
675
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,680
..that was just too good to miss.
676
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,640
Going back to what my dad had said,
677
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:40,480
property, you know, it gave me
that assurance of safety.
678
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:43,920
McKee and McMenamin
owned the apartments
679
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,120
and instructed a Spanish company
called Ogreda to manage them.
680
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,400
Ogreda's Director was Dawn Yates.
681
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:57,360
You can see in emails between
Kingsbridge and their law firm
682
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,160
that it was Kingsbridge
who was actually running Ogreda...
683
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,040
..and Dawn Yates
was Dave McKee's wife.
684
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,760
I mean, talk about
conflicts of interest!
685
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,640
McKee and McMenamin
686
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,600
set the apartment prices
687
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,920
and then advised their clients
to buy them.
688
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,040
These prices were overinflated...
689
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,880
..as an independent
valuation later showed.
690
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,080
Whether it's incompetence,
whether it's stupidity,
691
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,000
whether it's straightforward greed,
692
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,080
the end result of that
693
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,680
extraordinary algorithm of forces
694
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,720
is the players lose their money.
695
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,640
It's the hurt, the shame...
696
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,720
..the humiliation.
697
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,800
You have a group of people who just
want to get on with their lives,
698
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,280
but feel trapped.
699
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,320
LAUGHTER
700
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,040
Happy days!
701
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,080
You can be having a good time,
702
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,920
and then your mind
will just flip to...
703
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,080
HE CLICKS HIS FINGERS
704
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,400
"..Oh, but don't get
too carried away,
705
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,080
"because don't forget that
this is hanging over you."
706
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,840
When I think about losing my dad...
707
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,760
..when I think about the time
708
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,080
leading up to where I lost my mum,
709
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,640
my mum used to say to me,
"Brian, what's wrong with you?
710
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,920
"I can tell that
you're not in the room."
711
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,960
And he scores!
712
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,160
My mind was elsewhere.
713
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,400
And now, that time's gone,
and she's gone.
714
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,960
And, um...
715
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,160
It would have broken their hearts
to know the full extent
716
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,760
of what had happened.
717
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,200
How do you know, though,
that Kingsbridge didn't just make
718
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,840
an innocent mistake,
that they genuinely thought
719
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,240
all of this was great stuff
and would work?
720
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:27,800
How would you know that it wasn't?
721
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,280
I think every professional
adviser makes mistakes,
722
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,800
but the volume of, and the
consistency of these complex,
723
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,600
high-risk, unregulated investments
724
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,880
that were just totally unsuitable
for young, naive kind of...
725
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,560
you know, financially
inexperienced footballers.
726
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,640
And then when you start seeing
investments where the advisory firm
727
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,800
themselves have got an interest
in the projects,
728
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,440
or they're involved somehow,
729
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,360
um, that's not a mistake.
730
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,760
I first got involved when an
ex-player came up to me and said,
731
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,440
was I aware that
732
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,200
hundreds, if not thousands of people
733
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,040
had been affected by
very serious financial
734
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,600
abuse and malpractice?
735
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:01,880
Hi, everyone.
736
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,960
Hi, Andy. Andy, all right? Hi, Andy.
737
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,760
It took me back to one of
the first jobs I ever had,
738
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,840
which was working in football
in the 1990s.
739
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,080
I was working on the Government's
football taskforce.
740
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,720
It's really just an update. Yeah.
741
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:20,880
To bring you up to speed with
where we are and, if we can,
742
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,880
to just draw on your advice...
743
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,280
There were a huge number of vested
interests swirling round the game.
744
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,400
So I kind of, you know,
pieced together what I knew
745
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,440
and felt back then, and I realised
that, yeah, there was something
746
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,320
seriously untoward here.
747
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,240
We know there are many other people
who don't have the same profile,
748
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:41,880
who go through exactly the same.
749
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,560
I think you're kind of speaking
for thousands of others
750
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,640
whose voices don't get heard.
751
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,240
Fighting this kind of injustice
752
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,400
is a really difficult thing to do.
753
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,840
So I referred this matter to
the City of London Police
754
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,960
and asked them
to open an investigation.
755
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:02,360
Great to see you all. Keep fighting.
756
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,240
Good seeing you. Keep fighting.
757
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,040
January the 9th, 2018.
758
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,040
That's when the City of
London Police
759
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,400
commenced their investigation.
760
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,280
They were the global lead
on fraud investigation.
761
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,360
We thought, "Utopia".
762
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,240
As the national police lead
for fraud and economic crime
763
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:29,600
at the time, I got the phone call
764
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,400
and then started making
my own enquiries.
765
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,080
It appeared to me to be
766
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,120
the biggest fraud that
I'd seen in football.
767
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,600
A decision was made that we were
going to launch a full-scale
768
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,080
investigation, based on
the review.
769
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,440
What we saw were the main suspects
in the case,
770
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,480
the directors of
Kingsbridge Asset Management.
771
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,520
It's going to take a major
investigation to work this one.
772
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:17,200
I found people who had worked at
Kingsbridge, a very good witness...
773
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,000
..and I asked him about
how it worked.
774
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,520
The investments we went into
had the highest commission.
775
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,480
I remember very early on, he said,
776
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,440
"Oh, yes, and we just routinely
forged documents."
777
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,200
I was a bit shocked!
778
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,240
There are two types of forgery
779
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:49,680
that I have seen evidenced.
The first is,
780
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,520
"I've signed it, but
I haven't got a clue
781
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,440
"what it is that
I have agreed to."
782
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,360
The signing of documents...
783
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,560
..it became easy for them.
784
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,560
They'd turn up at your house
or hotel.
785
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,240
You know, you'd have
half an hour before you had to eat
786
00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:16,680
or have a team meeting.
787
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,880
And you'd go through
the conversation about
788
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,000
what investment you
might be doing next.
789
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,040
At the end of the meeting, there'd
be, say, three, six, eight
790
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,640
documents that needed signing.
791
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,120
And they'd be stacked,
792
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,920
so you could just sign them
793
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,480
on top of each other.
794
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,560
"Yeah, no problem."
795
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,320
People ask, "Why are you
stupid enough to sign?",
796
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,360
but that isn't the right question.
797
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,800
You sign because your
trusted adviser says,
798
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,280
"We're doing this. Sign here."
799
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,400
It is forgery because
800
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,920
the signature is procured
801
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,440
to something you do not understand.
802
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:19,280
The second type is what everybody
would describe as forgery.
803
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,480
"I know nothing about the document,
but my signature is on it,"
804
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,800
and that's because somebody else
has signed it.
805
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,680
I went to see one footballer
and I went through all his papers
806
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,800
with him, and he kept going,
807
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,760
"I didn't know I had
that bank account."
808
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,520
And they went, "What?
That bank account? What?
809
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,800
"And this film... I didn't even
know I was in that film scheme."
810
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,600
And he just didn't know. And I said,
"Well, that's your signature."
811
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,160
And he said,
"That's not my signature.
812
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,240
"That's not my signature."
813
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,080
So we took them to a
handwriting expert.
814
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,240
I was presented with documents
bearing 27 signatures
815
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:59,000
of a former footballer.
816
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,320
Some signatures appeared different
to the naked eye.
817
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,720
By that, I mean that the person
who has written them made no attempt
818
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:13,880
to simulate the appearance of
the signature.
819
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:21,360
Once they had an original
signature for somebody,
820
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,080
they would go to the window,
821
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,760
they would hold that up
onto the window,
822
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,920
they'd put the new document on top,
823
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,320
trace over it...
824
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:33,360
..and that was how
the forgeries were done.
825
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:36,800
It was shocking.
826
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,360
In my opinion, all 27
827
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,680
of the questioned signatures
were not
828
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,880
original signatures, produced
by the individual in question.
829
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,680
27 out of the 27 signatures,
there was evidence of forgery.
830
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:03,360
Not that some of them are forged.
Every single one.
831
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,520
I was also presented with
832
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,200
three documents
833
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,320
pertaining to
Rod and Rachel Wallace.
834
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,120
Yeah.
835
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,040
So that's what that was.
836
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,360
My signature.
837
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,840
There's yours. That is nothing
like mine whatsoever.
838
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,160
And look at yours. Yeah, they've
written it exactly the same.
839
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,280
Yeah. Just a few more squiggles.
840
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,320
This... It's criminal.
841
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,440
No-one's checked it. It's criminal.
842
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,320
When I compared the two
questioned signatures in the name
843
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,640
Rachel Wallace, I was able
to conclude, very strong evidence,
844
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,880
that they were not produced by her.
845
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,000
That's the original.
846
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,600
That's supposed to be yours.
847
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,400
How do you even get away with that?
848
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,400
Look. Mm.
849
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,800
And also, I found strong evidence
850
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,640
that they were not genuine
signatures written by Rod Wallace.
851
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:27,880
That's your real one. Mm.
That's the fake one. Yeah.
852
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,680
This is a long-term manipulation
853
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,080
of someone who's going to earn
854
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,360
lots of money for
a ten or 15-year period.
855
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,000
The guys were completely
steam-rollered, in my opinion.
856
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,640
There were maybe six investments...
857
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,440
..that we were looking to prove
858
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,280
that they were fraudulent
by nature,
859
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:33,840
from the very onset...
860
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,960
..through to the eventual
861
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,040
collapse of that scheme.
862
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,120
I formed the opinion, with the team,
that it was necessary to...
863
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,480
..make arrests.
864
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,360
Two men from the East Midlands
have been arrested
865
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,360
as part of a national investigation
into fraud.
866
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,000
City of London Police are looking
867
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,400
into a financial advice firm,
868
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,800
Kingsbridge Asset Management.
869
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,680
That was a very emotional moment
870
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,040
for the group.
871
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:12,040
It's alleged numerous victims
suffered significant losses.
872
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:16,640
Firstly, devastation that on hearing
the words that this had happened
873
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,200
to them, but also,
a sense of relief
874
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,000
that somebody
was taking it seriously.
875
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,760
Now, we've been abused,
we've been cheated,
876
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,480
we've been defrauded,
we've been manipulated.
877
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:36,480
Hopefully, with the help of
different authorities and experts,
878
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,880
we can get to the end of
this and put it to bed.
879
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,040
We were absolutely moving forward,
880
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,680
and it was just a question of when
881
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,360
we're going to be in court.
882
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,040
I have, throughout my career,
883
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,520
done heavy fraud.
884
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,160
I've never seen a case so big.
885
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,920
It is enormous.
886
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,320
The police need to get
their investigation finished
887
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,680
and we need to expose this fraud.
888
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,120
Can I say fraud, or do I have to say
alleged fraud?
889
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,760
But we have to expose it,
because there's a generation
890
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,600
of footballers out there
who have been ruined.
891
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,680
I want them found guilty
and I want them put in jail.
892
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,480
I can't let this thing go.
893
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,440
And, you know,
I need to see justice.
894
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,840
Fraud is complicated.
895
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,680
It's a jigsaw. You piece it together
896
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,120
one account, one document at a time.
897
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,200
End of February 2019...
898
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,640
..I left policing.
899
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,760
Around about a year later or so...
900
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,040
..the case was concluded.
901
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:10,440
Well...
902
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:17,600
..I've just received
some shit news today
903
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,640
from City of London Police,
904
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,360
that there's not enough evidence
905
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,360
to go forward to prosecute.
906
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,240
Incompetence, in my opinion.
907
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,760
Angry, disgusted.
908
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,960
Unbelievable.
909
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,000
Two years, they've been at it,
910
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,760
and they've just dropped it
through a lack of evidence.
911
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,160
What more do they need?
912
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,560
"The City of London Police
have made the decision
913
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,200
"that there is insufficient
evidence to support a realistic
914
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,000
"prospect of conviction."
915
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,760
"This is not to suggest that the
victim accounts are not believed,
916
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,360
"just that the material
we have reviewed does not meet
917
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,640
"the requirements for a
successful prosecution.
918
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,800
"To be clear,
the allegation of crime
919
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,160
"remains on
our crime management system,
920
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:11,880
"and each of the 11 are identified
as a victim on that crime."
921
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,120
Insufficient evidence to support
a realistic prospect of conviction
922
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:22,520
means it has failed what's
called the evidential test.
923
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,960
It's very mixed messaging
because on the one hand,
924
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,360
it's sort of saying
there's insufficient evidence,
925
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:36,520
but they're not saying you
are not victims of crime.
926
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:37,600
That's very clear.
927
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,920
So, you know, as far as
they're concerned, they are victims.
928
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,840
Oh, this... Oh, fucking hell.
929
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:58,200
I just hope this doesn't drag
me down again in depression.
930
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:04,160
I'm just angry that these people...
931
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,320
..get away with it...
932
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,640
..left, right and centre.
933
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,040
I'm just pissed.
934
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,000
Pissed, pissed, pissed.
935
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,800
That's enough.
936
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,000
The police decided that they didn't
937
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,880
have enough evidence to charge
938
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,040
the people that had been arrested,
but they did make it very clear
939
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:58,160
to the V11 that they considered
that they were victims of crime.
940
01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:59,880
The players have been left in
941
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:01,680
a really difficult position.
942
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,240
The HMRC are saying, well,
943
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:07,840
irrespective of the fact that
944
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,880
you're a victim of crime,
your name is attached to
945
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,040
that very investment,
and so you're the person
946
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,520
we're going to go after
for the tax that's owed.
947
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,040
So what are we, really?
948
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,400
It's frustrating. It's hard to take.
949
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,280
It's tiring. Um...
950
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,000
You know, it's upsetting.
951
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,760
You can't live like that.
952
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,080
The financial abuse,
953
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,960
that's one trauma.
954
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,880
They think, "Was it my fault?
955
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,400
"It's not great,
but I can probably survive that.
956
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,320
"But then what happens to me
957
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:48,680
"is then I discover that
958
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,320
"in actual fact, I now owe tax."
959
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,040
One on top of the other,
960
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,720
that is the stuff
that takes people to the edge.
961
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,880
It doesn't matter who you
are within that situation,
962
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,760
it will take everybody to the edge.
963
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,520
The way HMRC have treated the V11
964
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:10,840
was initially indefensible.
965
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:17,240
The culture was,
chase them and make them pay.
966
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:21,320
Bankruptcy petitions
on Christmas Eve.
967
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:26,760
No state organisation should treat
an individual citizen like that.
968
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,240
That had the most unhappy effects.
969
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,600
If I talk about the former player
970
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,400
that we nearly lost...
971
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,640
..um, I mean, it's even...
972
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,960
I find it even really difficult
to talk about now,
973
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,560
but he rang to say
974
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,440
he'd purchased a rope.
975
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:02,040
He said he was taking his own life,
to save his family from HMRC.
976
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:08,600
He thought that if he took his own
life, the liabilities would go away.
977
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,320
Unfortunately,
they wouldn't have gone away.
978
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,160
His wife would have inherited them.
979
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,000
I think it's that reason
that he didn't take his life.
980
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:26,880
We need to collect tax.
981
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,800
It needs to be done,
we need all to pay tax.
982
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:31,960
But this system is relentless.
983
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,320
We can make public
interest decisions.
984
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,240
Actually, is it in
the public interest
985
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,440
for a person to kill themselves
over a tax bill?
986
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,040
I can't see that it is.
987
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:55,600
Carly's aim now is to change the law
in this country, to protect
988
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,080
the victims of investment fraud from
989
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,600
very serious tax charges.
990
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,840
Because there are other people
out there who are victims of crime,
991
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:10,440
victims of fraud, who are battling
life-changing tax bills.
992
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,160
There's a room we've been given
to meet the MP, so we'll meet
993
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,360
Sean, Rod and Mickey first,
at 10:00.
994
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,360
Meet the MPs who've supported us.
995
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,120
There are many Members of Parliament
996
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,480
who believe that the country
997
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,520
doesn't handle
these issues properly
998
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,320
and doesn't support
victims properly.
999
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:43,160
There's clearly an overwhelming
need for a law change.
1000
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:47,640
Constituent MPs created
an All-Party Parliamentary Group
1001
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,280
for investment fraud.
1002
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,840
This will benefit
not just footballers,
1003
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,360
it will benefit
everybody in society.
1004
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:03,080
The investigator extraordinaire.
I love it. Yeah, I love it.
1005
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,560
When you think about HMRC, you think
of the anger. The letters.
1006
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,640
The letters, the sleepless nights,
sleepless nights.
1007
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,080
You know, sometimes
life-threatening.
1008
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,160
It is life-threatening, sometimes.
You think about
1009
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,160
the dark side all the time.
1010
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:23,840
Is it going to take one of us...
1011
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,720
I'm going to say, is it going to
take one of us to commit suicide,
1012
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,440
for people to stand up and realise
that this is actually a serious
1013
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,840
problem? And people who are not
footballers that get defrauded,
1014
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,720
who can't afford anything,
and they're out on the street.
1015
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,560
I was scared to tell anyone.
I thought it was just my own fault.
1016
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,480
I was being naive,
trusted the wrong people.
1017
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,520
And it was embarrassing, to be fair.
1018
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,320
But it's the truth.
1019
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,440
We can't just sit by any longer,
1020
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,080
you know, being in this position
1021
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,320
and just allow it
to kind of carry on.
1022
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,440
We need to speak up and tell people
about what's happened to us.
1023
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,200
The same thing can
happen to anybody.
1024
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,160
Just that these guys have got
a bit more public profile,
1025
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,320
and they may have had a little bit
more money than the ordinary person
1026
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,600
to invest,
but the losses are the same.
1027
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:09,920
The risks are the same.
1028
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,600
Losing your house,
losing your pension.
1029
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,440
Within the group, there's wildly
different financial situations.
1030
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:23,840
At the sharp end, you've got
members of the group who are,
1031
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,160
you know, facing
complete and utter wipe-out,
1032
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,800
who've lost virtually everything.
1033
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,320
In the middle, you've got people
who've earned a good living.
1034
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:36,040
They have had significant losses,
but they're still all right.
1035
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,560
But it's the tax aspect
1036
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,760
that is causing extreme,
1037
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:42,720
life-changing issues.
1038
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,440
And then we've got members of
the group who've had significant
1039
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:48,440
financial losses,
but have very small tax bills
1040
01:08:48,440 --> 01:08:50,000
that they could pay tomorrow,
1041
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,320
but they are doing this for
the other members of the group
1042
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,640
because they feel
it's inherently wrong,
1043
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,600
and for wider society.
1044
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:13,880
Kingsbridge floated as
Kingsbridge Holdings in 2000...
1045
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:19,120
..and they were the only game
in town, really.
1046
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,040
Some of the biggest names
in football were shareholders,
1047
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,240
including Howard Wilkinson.
1048
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,040
Sergeant Wilko, Howard Wilkinson!
1049
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,800
Howard Wilkinson, at Leeds, manages
1050
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,400
Rod Wallace and Brian Deane.
1051
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,160
Chance here for Deane.
Oh, it's there!
1052
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,400
Also, Howard Wilkinson
was the chairman of
1053
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,720
the League Managers Association
and he was a very powerful figure.
1054
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,080
You know, he was England manager
and manager of Leeds,
1055
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,360
and a big noise in
the League Managers Association.
1056
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:56,240
He'd been chairman
since its formation in 1992.
1057
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,200
So it was hugely important
for Kingsbridge to maintain
1058
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,520
their relationship with him,
because if the managers
1059
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,920
began to distance themselves
from Kingsbridge,
1060
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,400
the players
would most likely do the same.
1061
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,920
We were given
1062
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,560
the "opportunity" to buy shares,
1063
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:21,800
depending on who your adviser
was. Mine was David McKee.
1064
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:26,360
He said, "Look, these are going to
do very well and it'll be good
1065
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,400
"to have these
in your portfolio as well."
1066
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,120
Here's my first purchase
of shares ever.
1067
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,960
I was just told
that they'd just bombed.
1068
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,440
You know, just went.
1069
01:10:40,440 --> 01:10:42,080
Yeah, it's just gone.
1070
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,480
Did you receive any compensation?
1071
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:50,320
What do you mean? Did Kingsbridge
1072
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,720
pay you any money for the fact
that you had lost money?
1073
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:54,960
No!
1074
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,440
Why would they?
1075
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,360
Part of the documents,
the evidence that we've got,
1076
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,280
is this letter
that was passed on to you.
1077
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,600
It's for a Mr H Wilkinson.
1078
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:16,000
It's Dave McKee, Director.
1079
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,360
"In recognition of the fact that
you, as chairman of the LMA,
1080
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,920
"after consultation with me,
1081
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,680
"held the majority of your shares
1082
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:30,480
"in Kingsbridge Holdings at a time
when you could have taken
1083
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:34,840
"a high profit, and subsequently,
during a falling market,
1084
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,600
"we have agreed to pay you
1085
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:42,760
"£2,033.33 per month for four years.
1086
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,200
"It is recognised that the decision
1087
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:47,720
"not to sell was made solely on
1088
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,280
"the best interests of the
LMA's business partnership
1089
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,280
"with Kingsbridge Holdings.
1090
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,560
"I look forward to our meeting."
1091
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,280
We weren't paid that.
We never got anything.
1092
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,240
The way they've done it
is just wrong.
1093
01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:10,600
Dave McKee was trying to just
keep him sweet,
1094
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,120
as he was the chairman of the LMA.
1095
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,360
That's what it looks like.
1096
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,800
We talk about
power and how it's wielded.
1097
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:29,360
Back in those days, players
1098
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,400
were hugely influenced by managers.
1099
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:40,160
It's just sinking in now
and I'm getting pretty pissed off.
1100
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,920
We were inconsequential.
1101
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,440
If money and all the rest of it
is their god,
1102
01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:51,040
then let them have it.
I just want to be happy.
1103
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,560
And that's the same for Rod.
That's the same for
1104
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,720
a lot of the other guys.
We just want peace.
1105
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,720
Can I get a return to Westminster?
1106
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,680
Is that what it is? I never know.
1107
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,400
You've got this image
of footballers,
1108
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,920
and there's a process of envy
that sits inside that.
1109
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,280
So rather than kind of saying,
"Actually, there's these guys
1110
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,600
"going through this terrible,
awful time,"
1111
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:51,960
what we get, "Oh, well, actually,
you're just footballers.
1112
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,520
"It doesn't matter. You've got
money. Don't worry about it."
1113
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,000
Thank you.
1114
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,000
Actually, yes, this matters.
1115
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,400
You want someone to make it
go away with a magic wand.
1116
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,600
All these issues about
what you're going to do next...
1117
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,240
..makes you really
struggle to sleep.
1118
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,600
So, I escaped from that
1119
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,240
with chemicals.
1120
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,880
Cannabis, cocaine.
1121
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:35,960
Started gambling.
1122
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,560
Chasing the money I'd lost,
because it was a domino effect,
1123
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:45,200
which then impacted me to
be even in a darker place.
1124
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,840
Addiction, depression,
1125
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,360
anxiety, isolation.
1126
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:53,960
All those things come to anybody
1127
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,520
when you're going through
something so enormous.
1128
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:03,560
It's the shame,
embarrassment and guilt
1129
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:07,640
of getting yourself in a position
that you think you're better than.
1130
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,240
When we're talking about trauma,
what we're really talking about
1131
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,040
is an experience
which turns my world inside out.
1132
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,240
The normality that I knew
and the way the world
1133
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,880
that I thought worked
suddenly doesn't.
1134
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,280
That's post-traumatic
stress disorder.
1135
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:37,200
I think for them, it's absolutely
vital, absolutely vital
1136
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:38,720
that they're part of this group.
1137
01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:42,800
Our energy, as a whole,
1138
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,240
is much greater than just
11 individual people.
1139
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,760
"I'm not alone."
1140
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,240
That bit matters.
1141
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:02,960
Well, we're off for a meeting
with HMRC up in London.
1142
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,800
A little bit apprehensive,
to be honest.
1143
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:09,880
Try and explain our situation
some more and give them a reality
1144
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:13,600
on the way their actions and
their behaviours impact us.
1145
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,320
I just hope
I represent the lads well.
1146
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,000
That's all I can do, really.
1147
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,960
Hiya, you all right? Back again!
1148
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,880
Long time, that, wasn't it?
It's like Groundhog Day. Yeah.
1149
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,680
You ready for this?
1150
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,880
Ready to fire up.
I've not written nothing down.
1151
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,400
Just fire in.
1152
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,960
Dealing with HMRC,
1153
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:49,600
you just can't move on.
1154
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:56,280
The cyclical nature of it has caused
a horrendous amount of trauma.
1155
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,680
There were no real
1156
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:05,520
satisfactory conclusions.
It's still there.
1157
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,920
I just hope that they can put
it to the back of their mind
1158
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,680
for the festive period. But we're,
you know, unfortunately,
1159
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,400
we've got to deal with it
as soon as Christmas is over.
1160
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,960
We get to a point where we feel
that we're making progress,
1161
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:23,080
they start to look at the evidence,
and then they'll change position.
1162
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,400
Extremely aggressive behaviour.
1163
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,960
Bailiffs at the door, potentially.
1164
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,280
Not know whether
you're having to pay, one minute,
1165
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,120
next minute, you are.
1166
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:35,920
And that has just happened again.
1167
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:46,360
PHONE CONNECTION TONE
1168
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:55,280
Hi, everybody. Hi. Sean on?
Sean's on. Sean's on.
1169
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:59,040
Sorry, Sean. Haven't got
my glasses on, Sean, sorry.
1170
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,360
Rod, um...
1171
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,960
Yeah. I'm not the bearer
of good news, I'm afraid.
1172
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,920
So we've had a letter from HMRC
1173
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:08,640
to say that they'd be looking to
1174
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,560
hand this over to debt management.
1175
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,040
This is potentially putting a group
1176
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,240
of victims to bankruptcy or similar,
1177
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,040
where there is no way back.
1178
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,520
They're trying to scare you
into panicking into making
1179
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,640
rash decisions
and giving them what you can,
1180
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,520
ultimately. The most important thing
is that we sort of fight back
1181
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,080
and put a good strategy in place.
1182
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:30,640
I'm confident that,
1183
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,600
long-term, we'll be able to
change the law.
1184
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,400
The question is, can we kick this
into the long grass
1185
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:40,040
for long enough to get this properly
debated and to get the MPs
1186
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,840
behind it,
and to get the law change?
1187
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,480
One of the reasons
I'm still in a position
1188
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:47,760
where I can even sit here
and talk to you in a very
1189
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:52,480
compos-mentis way is that
you guys have supported me
1190
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,080
and been there, and got us to this.
1191
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,320
To go off on our own now
and try and find a resolution
1192
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:00,480
on our own, I think will fail.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1193
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:04,000
That's the strength,
isn't it, of all of us?
1194
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,880
Comes back to what
we did as players.
1195
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:09,280
You know, it was a team, you know?
1196
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,840
And that's where we've gained
that strength from.
1197
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:17,200
HMRC trying to pursue the victims,
without question,
1198
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:21,360
that has caused more pain than
the actual alleged fraud itself
1199
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:22,720
and the financial losses.
1200
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,800
I don't want to see another family
go through this.
1201
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:29,000
Not the best news, but,
you know, we fight on.
1202
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,320
Absolutely.
Thank you to everyone as well.
1203
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,520
Yeah, thank you.
1204
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,520
It's amazing what you guys
are doing, all of you.
1205
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:36,920
Thank you.
1206
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:38,280
Take care, everybody.
1207
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,600
I'm worried about a couple of
members of the team
1208
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,400
because they dropped off the call
and were messaging me,
1209
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,760
and I felt really worried.
1210
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,640
All the guys
deal with it differently...
1211
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,160
..but for Sean, he goes off-grid.
1212
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:00,160
I don't think he can cope with it.
1213
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:06,840
On the group, we had a Zoom call
1214
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,080
and found out that HMRC
1215
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,000
are still coming after us.
1216
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:15,760
They're still, "No, we want
our money, we want our money.
1217
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,760
"We don't care what's happened.
1218
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:20,840
"We want our money."
1219
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,840
So, we could get letters
through the door any day now.
1220
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,960
330-odd thousand,
they're saying I owe them.
1221
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,520
The interest is going up.
1222
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:42,600
It just seems that HMRC have
just got no, no understanding
1223
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,280
of what this is doing to people
and people's lives.
1224
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,920
Oh, it's gone too high.
It's gone too high.
1225
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:55,600
If we can be the group
that gets this law changed...
1226
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,480
..loads of people
can benefit from it.
1227
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,560
Perfect.
1228
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,040
There's never really been
money in my family.
1229
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,920
My mum was a dinner lady.
1230
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:20,640
My old man was a butcher.
1231
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,640
Oh, wow. It's whenever
I talk about my dad...
1232
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,360
The worst thing is my old man
liked my old financial adviser.
1233
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,760
He liked him. And my dad was
a good judge of character,
1234
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,280
so he kind of pulled the wool over
his eyes as well.
1235
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,720
I don't even think I cried
at my dad's funeral.
1236
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,360
I haven't told anyone, really.
1237
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:04,640
I don't want to be saying all this
and then there's no change.
1238
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,280
That would be even worse.
That'd feel like I'm losing again.
1239
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:37,480
Thomas
charging through the midfield.
1240
01:22:37,480 --> 01:22:40,400
Thomas! It's up for grabs now.
1241
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,320
Thomas, right at the end!
1242
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:49,280
I have to speak out.
1243
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,680
The more people speak up about it,
1244
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,880
then we can change the law.
1245
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,160
It's not just me, a sportsman,
1246
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:09,680
but someone who worked
in the Civil Service,
1247
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,520
to a cleaner who's working in
the hospitals.
1248
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:14,160
They're all the same.
1249
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,000
Fraud doesn't care what you are.
1250
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,360
And we're trying to protect
everybody, really.
1251
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,400
I'm Caroline Nokes.
I'm one of the co-chairs of
1252
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,720
the APPG on Investment Fraud.
1253
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:38,360
The whole issue crossed my door when
one of my constituents was impacted,
1254
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,280
and the thing that struck me then
1255
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,640
was this was not a man
who had set out
1256
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:46,040
in any way to defraud the taxman.
1257
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:51,680
What we want ultimately
to come up with is a report
1258
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,400
that highlights the injustice,
1259
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,000
that tells the personal stories
1260
01:23:56,000 --> 01:24:01,080
and makes a compelling case to
HMRC and to Treasury ministers
1261
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:04,400
that the people they're going
after are the wrong targets.
1262
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:10,440
Sorry.
HE CLEARS THROAT
1263
01:24:10,440 --> 01:24:14,360
I fluctuate from deep bouts of
depression, sadness and anger.
1264
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,040
I ask myself daily,
"How is this happening?"
1265
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:19,080
HMRC will probably enforce.
1266
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,480
I have nothing to give them.
1267
01:24:21,480 --> 01:24:25,200
It's damaged me in ways that, um,
1268
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,120
won't change
until I'm no longer here.
1269
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:33,280
I put a brave face on it,
a good show, um...
1270
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,360
..but it's a constant fight
when the door closes.
1271
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,920
It's a horrible place
to be, to be honest,
1272
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:45,200
because the way I've been
brought up, with integrity,
1273
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:49,120
you don't know anything else
than to be the way you are.
1274
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,120
Obviously, I work in the
football industry still.
1275
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:57,000
I'm a mentor for
the young players in Liverpool,
1276
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:00,200
but I'm thinking, if I'm going to
pass on advice to young players
1277
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,760
with a ridiculous amount
more money now,
1278
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:04,680
how the hell is this going to...
1279
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:06,800
It's going to keep on happening
and happening and happening.
1280
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,440
Yeah. So what is the point,
if we can sort this out right now?
1281
01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:13,600
Has it changed the law?
I just don't understand it.
1282
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,080
I think that's one of
the really important points.
1283
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:22,080
Young lads, surrounded by sharks,
who are going to want to take
1284
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,240
advantage of them at every turn.
We'll write up a report.
1285
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:26,880
We'll go round the block again,
1286
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,480
because you can't let it drop.
1287
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,120
You just can't let it drop.
1288
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:42,600
Due to them bastards from HMRC, I'm
getting my house valued tomorrow,
1289
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:46,200
which is mainly because of HMRC
1290
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:49,240
enforcing tax liabilities.
1291
01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:01,000
You can wake up feeling angry
1292
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:02,640
and remembering stuff.
1293
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,520
Yes, you have bad days,
and you think about,
1294
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,760
"Oh, what about that?
What about this?"
1295
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,000
So I'll just get up and run.
1296
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:20,160
It clears your head.
1297
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:27,360
Are you going to get a letter?
1298
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:28,760
Are you going to get a phone call?
1299
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,040
It's just the worry
of that every day.
1300
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:36,960
We want to help people.
That's why we're doing this.
1301
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,080
But deep down, it's hard.
1302
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:45,880
I had to move.
1303
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,200
The case was, yeah, we
had to sell the house.
1304
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:58,200
But I've said from day one,
"I'm not paying it."
1305
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,120
Johnson
gets the party going!
1306
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,040
If then I need to go to jail...
1307
01:27:06,440 --> 01:27:08,080
..I'll go to jail for it.
1308
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:28,960
It is tough,
talking about all of this...
1309
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,040
..but it needs to be said.
1310
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,280
I live in Surrey.
1311
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:43,880
It's been a good place to live,
1312
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:48,480
but time...time, yeah, tells
us that we have to move on now...
1313
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:55,560
..because of an eviction notice
that we was given.
1314
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,200
Nothing in the bank.
1315
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:08,880
That's the whole crux of this, um,
1316
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,160
problem that we've got now.
1317
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:13,160
We won't have anywhere to live.
1318
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:20,880
We're just, like, living
day-by-day at the minute.
1319
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:26,680
It's not possible to, like, have
any sort of plans, going forward.
1320
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:31,160
Apart from, the moment
that we ever get the chance,
1321
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:33,280
we'll be out of this
country like a shot.
1322
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,920
As a family, I've tried
to protect them as much as I could.
1323
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:43,160
Then there came a point where it was
just like, I had to say something.
1324
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,680
Um...
1325
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,760
And since that moment, we've all...
1326
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,720
We've all, uh... We've all
stuck together, haven't we?
1327
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:58,680
It's just...it's gone on for
so long now that it's just...
1328
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:00,960
Yeah, like,
you can't dwell on it. Mm.
1329
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:02,600
You have to, um...
1330
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,200
..put your focus on something else.
1331
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:09,800
It's just trying to create, like,
1332
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,200
good memories now, if possible.
1333
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:17,520
It's going to be hard,
1334
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,560
but I'm sure we'll be able to do it.
1335
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,400
I just hope, um,
1336
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,640
that the family do the same.
1337
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,480
Rachel... Rachel does the same,
1338
01:29:25,480 --> 01:29:27,480
stays positive,
rather than negative,
1339
01:29:27,480 --> 01:29:30,560
and then there's a chance
that we can get through it.
1340
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:35,520
Cos it has been difficult.
1341
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,560
And it's not ending yet.
1342
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:30,640
Since meeting with HMRC,
1343
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,440
it's basically been backwards
and forwards ever since.
1344
01:30:34,440 --> 01:30:36,520
It's legal technicalities,
1345
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:41,480
whether the tax is rightfully
due in law or not.
1346
01:30:41,480 --> 01:30:43,880
Those arguments continue.
1347
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,440
We're marching for justice,
1348
01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:48,960
for the victims of financial crime.
1349
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:52,880
Justice is a curious word.
1350
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:57,080
Justice for one person might mean
seeing somebody in prison
1351
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,360
and being punished.
1352
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:01,520
For others, it may mean
something else.
1353
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:05,560
It might mean actually just
being able to move on with my life.
1354
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,040
There are so many of us,
1355
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:13,760
tens of thousands of people
who are suffering.
1356
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,000
What do we want? Justice!
1357
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:17,680
When do we want it? Now!
1358
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:19,680
What do we want? Justice!
1359
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:21,400
When do we want it? Now!
1360
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,840
To HM Treachery, it's that way.
1361
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,880
Thank you very much indeed.
Thank you.
1362
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:33,240
Fighting for justice
is a hard thing to do.
1363
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:36,200
It does require people
to be relentless.
1364
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,440
It's something that will
test people on every level,
1365
01:31:40,440 --> 01:31:43,000
when you feel so wronged
1366
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,040
and, yet, you're in the wilderness,
not being heard.
1367
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:49,120
It's about getting the law changed.
1368
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,200
I refuse to give up,
1369
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,040
because it's not in my nature.
1370
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,120
I wasn't brought up like that.
1371
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:03,160
It's about trying to achieve reform
1372
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:05,200
where it's obvious
that there's failures.
1373
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:09,800
For me, it's just trying to find
a resolution that we can live with.
1374
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:13,280
There's something that's really
important about their story,
1375
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:15,320
not just for them,
but for all of us.
1376
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:19,280
All the while we're still breathing,
there's something we can do.
1377
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,200
That's what matters.
1378
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:24,240
HM Treachery! Shame on you!
1379
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:27,200
HM Treachery! Shame on you!
1380
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:30,280
HM Treachery! Shame on you!
1381
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,760
If it wasn't for the group,
1382
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:57,520
I don't know where I'd be now.
1383
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:00,920
It's definitely saved lives.
1384
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:08,640
You've got to keep trying to fight
for justice, because otherwise,
1385
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:11,800
you just give in and you lose
everything you've got.
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