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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 0 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Downloaded From www.AllSubs.org 1 00:04:10,583 --> 00:04:13,882 - And how did it happen? - Beat me up. 2 00:04:13,953 --> 00:04:18,515 They made me stand against the wall, like this with me arms outstretched... 3 00:04:18,625 --> 00:04:20,650 ...and my legs stretched out behind me. 4 00:04:22,562 --> 00:04:26,328 Kept me like this for ages, for over 30 hours or somethin' like that. 5 00:04:26,899 --> 00:04:30,130 And if I tried to relax or lower me arms, they hit me. 6 00:04:30,203 --> 00:04:32,569 And then they gave me the crab treatment. 7 00:04:32,939 --> 00:04:34,964 Were you arrested on Section 12? 8 00:04:35,041 --> 00:04:37,305 - Yeah. - Okay. Good. 9 00:04:37,944 --> 00:04:39,502 Do you have any idea why? 10 00:04:40,146 --> 00:04:44,515 Sort of like most of me mates were accused of belongin' to the IRA. 11 00:04:45,285 --> 00:04:47,685 Which he wasn't. That's why they let him go. 12 00:04:47,820 --> 00:04:50,914 Could you demonstrate this crab treatment to us? 13 00:04:51,124 --> 00:04:52,216 Yeah. 14 00:05:07,006 --> 00:05:09,133 One of them grabbed me... 15 00:05:10,143 --> 00:05:12,475 ...you know, with me arms back here... 16 00:05:13,046 --> 00:05:15,640 ...while his mate punched me in the stomach. 17 00:05:15,715 --> 00:05:17,342 He just punched me and punched me. 18 00:05:17,417 --> 00:05:20,250 And the other one kept askin' me questions... 19 00:05:20,586 --> 00:05:23,521 ...askin' more questions, and they punched me again. 20 00:05:23,823 --> 00:05:24,812 Okay? 21 00:05:25,425 --> 00:05:27,893 - Are you all right? - Yeah. 22 00:05:28,161 --> 00:05:31,358 Jim, why don't you tell them what happened to you? 23 00:05:31,898 --> 00:05:35,698 I was arrested the week before Michael and taken to Castlereagh. 24 00:05:36,069 --> 00:05:39,004 And then they threw me into a cell for about four hours. 25 00:05:39,238 --> 00:05:40,432 They took me out... 26 00:05:40,506 --> 00:05:42,997 ...brought me up to what they call an interview room. 27 00:05:43,076 --> 00:05:45,806 And two cops were sittin' there with me. 28 00:05:45,878 --> 00:05:48,847 One of the cops asked me my name. I never told him my name... 29 00:05:48,915 --> 00:05:52,351 ...'cause if they didn't know my name, they wouldn't have arrested me. 30 00:05:52,885 --> 00:05:57,879 At once, as soon as I told him, all four cops came rushin' in the room... 31 00:05:58,157 --> 00:06:01,058 ...took me off the chair, lifted me by the arms and legs... 32 00:06:01,127 --> 00:06:02,822 ...and held me over a table. 33 00:06:03,196 --> 00:06:05,357 And one of them put a towel round my face. 34 00:06:05,832 --> 00:06:08,528 He was holding it at the back of my neck here... 35 00:06:08,601 --> 00:06:12,435 ...and another one poured water over my nose and mouth. 36 00:06:12,505 --> 00:06:14,871 It was goin' up my nose and into my throat... 37 00:06:14,941 --> 00:06:16,636 ...I was gettin' the drowning feeling. 38 00:06:19,011 --> 00:06:20,035 Sullivan? 39 00:06:57,350 --> 00:06:59,045 Get the bastard! 40 00:07:22,575 --> 00:07:24,440 I don't believe it. 41 00:07:24,977 --> 00:07:27,707 - Tribal rites. - It's frightening. 42 00:07:40,827 --> 00:07:44,456 Can I take you onto the question of the treatment of prisoners... 43 00:07:44,530 --> 00:07:48,330 ...the question of interrogation techniques referred to in the press release. 44 00:07:48,401 --> 00:07:52,770 It suggests that these allegations of ill-treatment have reduced since 1978. 45 00:07:52,839 --> 00:07:55,239 Can I ask you to comment? Do you have a view... 46 00:07:55,308 --> 00:07:59,301 ...as to whether these forms of ill-treatment that you found are fair? 47 00:07:59,378 --> 00:08:01,141 What evidence do you have for them? 48 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:05,611 Not to be too dramatic, but these are all... 49 00:08:05,685 --> 00:08:10,179 ...statements of alleged maltreatment that we have collected over our time here. 50 00:08:10,256 --> 00:08:13,248 And that one? 51 00:08:13,559 --> 00:08:15,720 "Punching, slapping, kicking the plaintiff. 52 00:08:15,795 --> 00:08:20,562 "Causing, requiring, permitting the plaintiff to lie on the floor of an interview room. 53 00:08:20,633 --> 00:08:22,794 "Causing, requiring, permitting the plaintiff... 54 00:08:22,869 --> 00:08:25,463 "...to remove his coat and shoes in the interview room. 55 00:08:25,538 --> 00:08:28,166 "Punching the plaintiff in the abdominal area. 56 00:08:28,241 --> 00:08:31,768 "Banging the plaintiff's head off the wall of the interview room. 57 00:08:31,844 --> 00:08:35,371 "Standing on the plaintiff's shoulders, stomach, ankles and chest. 58 00:08:35,448 --> 00:08:39,316 "Squeezing the plaintiff's neck. Squeezing the plaintiff's testicles. 59 00:08:39,385 --> 00:08:41,580 "Causing, requiring, permitting the plaintiff... 60 00:08:41,654 --> 00:08:45,283 - "...to be spreadled..." - Spread-eagled. 61 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:49,393 "Between three members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary... 62 00:08:49,529 --> 00:08:54,296 "...while one kicked him with his heel in the area of the abdomen and raped..." 63 00:08:54,367 --> 00:08:56,528 Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 64 00:08:56,602 --> 00:08:58,502 These are unconfirmed allegations, right? 65 00:08:58,571 --> 00:09:00,903 Allegations for which there is no outside evidence. 66 00:09:00,973 --> 00:09:02,907 These are allegations from a group of people. 67 00:09:04,510 --> 00:09:06,910 A great deal of this evidence is corroborated. 68 00:09:07,046 --> 00:09:09,742 Is it a war situation or not? 69 00:09:09,815 --> 00:09:12,909 If it's a war situation, to solve that war situation... 70 00:09:12,985 --> 00:09:17,422 ...you have to negotiate, and so to accept that there are two sides... 71 00:09:18,057 --> 00:09:21,185 ...putting around a table to negotiate... 72 00:09:21,394 --> 00:09:24,022 ...and that, the British government doesn't accept. 73 00:09:24,263 --> 00:09:26,731 Does your report deal with the shoot-to-kill policy... 74 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:28,960 ...operatin' here in the six counties? 75 00:09:29,035 --> 00:09:33,199 Allegations of a shoot-to-kill policy carried out by the RUC... 76 00:09:33,506 --> 00:09:37,772 ...the UDR, and the British Army does form part of our report, yes. 77 00:09:37,843 --> 00:09:42,177 - Do you have any figures? - Yes, in... 78 00:09:43,082 --> 00:09:45,482 ...the period of 1969 to 1980... 79 00:09:45,551 --> 00:09:48,213 ...the evidence shows that at least 130 people... 80 00:09:48,287 --> 00:09:52,951 ...were killed by the security forces, and half of those deaths... 81 00:09:53,159 --> 00:09:56,390 ...were of civilians that had no connection... 82 00:09:56,462 --> 00:09:58,487 ...with paramilitary activities at all. 83 00:09:58,631 --> 00:10:03,227 Given the fact that there is a state of armed insurrection in Northern Ireland... 84 00:10:03,469 --> 00:10:06,131 ...do you not concede the government has every right... 85 00:10:06,205 --> 00:10:08,867 ...to take whatever measures it deems necessary to... 86 00:10:08,941 --> 00:10:10,636 ...stem this insurrection? 87 00:10:11,377 --> 00:10:15,939 Britain is recognized the world over as a democratic state. 88 00:10:16,515 --> 00:10:21,384 We will present our report based on the documented evidence. 89 00:10:22,088 --> 00:10:25,649 And hopefully, the British government will respond. 90 00:10:25,858 --> 00:10:27,587 I'm sure they will. 91 00:10:28,594 --> 00:10:30,653 Thank you. That's all we have time for. 92 00:10:30,730 --> 00:10:33,221 We're flying out tomorrow. Thank you. 93 00:10:40,172 --> 00:10:41,196 Hi. 94 00:10:41,273 --> 00:10:44,265 - I'm Teresa Doyle. Republican News. - Excuse me? 95 00:10:44,343 --> 00:10:45,935 Republican News. 96 00:10:46,746 --> 00:10:48,373 You know the shoot-to-kill? 97 00:10:48,447 --> 00:10:51,610 It happens all the time. I could show you a photograph. 98 00:10:51,684 --> 00:10:54,244 - Of what? - Of an execution. 99 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:55,810 You have that with you? 100 00:10:55,888 --> 00:10:59,984 It's not the sort of thing you carry around the streets of Belfast in your handbag. 101 00:11:00,059 --> 00:11:01,390 But I could get it to you. 102 00:11:02,194 --> 00:11:04,992 I'm sorry. Our investigation's concluded. 103 00:11:05,264 --> 00:11:09,166 - So you're not interested? - No, we're not here to be used. 104 00:11:09,669 --> 00:11:12,194 Maybe that's all you're here for. 105 00:11:27,319 --> 00:11:28,581 Paul? 106 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:44,333 - Is that the tape from yesterday? - Yeah. 107 00:11:45,204 --> 00:11:47,138 I'm glad we're leaving tomorrow. 108 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,140 Belfast reminds me of Chile. 109 00:11:50,876 --> 00:11:53,367 There's no comparison. How can you say that? 110 00:11:53,446 --> 00:11:54,879 That's the way it feels: 111 00:11:55,481 --> 00:11:58,109 Killings, torture, intrigue. 112 00:12:02,822 --> 00:12:06,883 A reality check: What happened in Chile can't happen here. 113 00:12:09,395 --> 00:12:11,488 - Let's eat. - Yeah. 114 00:12:15,434 --> 00:12:18,597 - You got any money? - Yes, I do. 115 00:12:18,838 --> 00:12:20,100 Good. 116 00:13:20,032 --> 00:13:23,763 So good night. See you tomorrow. Tough day. 117 00:13:27,506 --> 00:13:28,996 Good night. 118 00:13:35,881 --> 00:13:38,850 Can you believe he turned around and waved? 119 00:13:42,454 --> 00:13:45,981 - Do you know him? - I don't know. I thought I did. 120 00:13:48,594 --> 00:13:50,824 - No messages. - Okay, thanks. 121 00:15:03,002 --> 00:15:04,060 Yes. 122 00:15:04,303 --> 00:15:05,668 Harris? 123 00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:11,036 - I listened to your tape. - Have you come to a decision? 124 00:15:11,977 --> 00:15:13,001 I don't know. 125 00:15:13,345 --> 00:15:14,778 We must talk. 126 00:15:15,714 --> 00:15:17,443 They saw us together. 127 00:15:18,651 --> 00:15:22,087 - How do you know? - After I left you, I was followed. 128 00:15:22,288 --> 00:15:24,222 That means you're under surveillance. 129 00:15:24,823 --> 00:15:28,520 I really don't think that this is something that I should get involved in... 130 00:15:28,594 --> 00:15:30,289 ...but I'll tell you what I can do. 131 00:15:30,362 --> 00:15:33,092 I can turn the tape over to whatever authorities you deem... 132 00:15:33,165 --> 00:15:34,757 No! That would be crazy. 133 00:15:35,134 --> 00:15:36,761 We must meet. 134 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:40,967 - Where? - Near Dungannon. Now. 135 00:15:41,540 --> 00:15:43,474 It's less than an hour's drive away. 136 00:15:43,542 --> 00:15:45,772 Look, I've got a plane to catch. 137 00:15:46,812 --> 00:15:48,302 This won't take long. 138 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,712 Mr. Sullivan? 139 00:17:04,957 --> 00:17:07,619 - Where's Harris? - He's down the road, waiting on you. 140 00:17:07,693 --> 00:17:09,490 I am here to take you to him. 141 00:17:09,561 --> 00:17:12,724 You can leave your car here. We'll go in mine. 142 00:17:12,965 --> 00:17:15,195 - My car's okay here? - It's quite safe there. 143 00:17:15,267 --> 00:17:17,565 By the way, my name's Frank Molloy. 144 00:17:24,977 --> 00:17:27,343 - Did you bring the tape? - Yeah. 145 00:17:29,782 --> 00:17:31,010 1169. 146 00:17:32,351 --> 00:17:33,648 Sorry? 147 00:17:34,086 --> 00:17:38,216 800 years: That's how long we've been fightin' for independence. 148 00:17:38,791 --> 00:17:40,156 Sword... 149 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:42,857 ...famine, burnin'... 150 00:17:42,995 --> 00:17:46,761 ...hangin', shootin', transportation: We've had it all. 151 00:17:49,868 --> 00:17:51,460 Who's Harris? 152 00:17:52,538 --> 00:17:55,063 It's better he tells you himself. 153 00:17:58,877 --> 00:18:00,970 There's a car behind us. 154 00:18:02,448 --> 00:18:03,847 Is it following us? 155 00:18:04,716 --> 00:18:06,274 We'll soon find out. 156 00:18:07,152 --> 00:18:10,553 There's something wrong here. 157 00:18:10,856 --> 00:18:12,756 Get down! Get down! 158 00:19:21,226 --> 00:19:23,592 - Ms. Ingrid Jessner? - Yes. 159 00:19:23,962 --> 00:19:27,363 I'm afraid we've got some rather serious news for you. 160 00:19:27,432 --> 00:19:29,662 - May we come in? - What is it? 161 00:19:30,836 --> 00:19:32,929 It's about Mr. Sullivan. 162 00:19:33,272 --> 00:19:36,469 He's been involved in a rather serious incident. 163 00:19:38,243 --> 00:19:40,643 They were killed in a car crash early this morning... 164 00:19:40,712 --> 00:19:43,579 ... which involved a police checkpoint outside Dungannon. 165 00:19:43,782 --> 00:19:46,250 The men, who were driving a yellow Ford Cortina... 166 00:19:46,318 --> 00:19:48,081 ... were signaled by police to stop. 167 00:19:48,153 --> 00:19:52,419 Ignoring the warning, the car accelerated and drove directly at the officers. 168 00:19:52,491 --> 00:19:56,257 Police opened fire on the vehicle as it attempted to escape. 169 00:19:56,328 --> 00:19:59,525 The car then went out of control and careered off the road. 170 00:19:59,598 --> 00:20:03,466 Upon arrival at the crash scene, police found the occupants were dead. 171 00:20:03,535 --> 00:20:06,629 Names of the two men have not yet been released. 172 00:20:29,428 --> 00:20:32,829 Can you identify the body as that of Paul Sullivan? 173 00:20:54,987 --> 00:20:56,147 Yes. 174 00:21:18,477 --> 00:21:19,808 Ingrid. 175 00:21:22,681 --> 00:21:24,342 Come on. Let's go. 176 00:21:55,647 --> 00:21:58,047 Ms. Jessner, where have you just come from? 177 00:21:58,116 --> 00:21:59,913 Can you move away? 178 00:21:59,985 --> 00:22:03,284 It's said the man in the car with Mr. Sullivan was a terrorist suspect. 179 00:22:03,355 --> 00:22:04,344 Is that true? 180 00:22:04,423 --> 00:22:07,221 - What are you suggesting? - Who was with Mr. Sullivan? 181 00:22:07,292 --> 00:22:09,954 - I have no idea. - Police say he was a terrorist suspect. 182 00:22:10,028 --> 00:22:11,962 Did the car go through a police roadcheck? 183 00:22:12,030 --> 00:22:15,659 They say they opened fire after the car went through a checkpoint? 184 00:22:15,734 --> 00:22:17,998 Where were they going this morning? Did you know? 185 00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:22,769 As journalists, you must appreciate that I can't talk about this right now. 186 00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:30,871 The driver of the car in which the shooting occurred... 187 00:22:30,949 --> 00:22:34,441 ... has been named as Frank Molloy. Police said the car failed to stop... 188 00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:38,478 ... at a roadblock outside Dungannon around 6:15 this morning. 189 00:22:38,557 --> 00:22:41,219 An RUC statement said the driver accelerated... 190 00:22:41,293 --> 00:22:44,353 ... toward their officers, who opened fire on the fleeing car... 191 00:22:44,429 --> 00:22:46,294 ... causing it to swerve off the road. 192 00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:50,768 Also in the car was Paul Sullivan, an American lawyer and a leading figure... 193 00:22:50,836 --> 00:22:53,304 ... in the International League for Civil Liberties. 194 00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:54,805 What's puzzling observers... 195 00:22:54,873 --> 00:22:57,637 ... is why Mr. Sullivan should have driven out of Belfast... 196 00:22:57,709 --> 00:23:00,872 ... in the early hours of the morning to meet a man... 197 00:23:00,979 --> 00:23:03,641 ... who the police say is a terrorist suspect. 198 00:23:03,715 --> 00:23:06,912 This is Ivan Little, Ulster Television, Dungannon. 199 00:23:08,420 --> 00:23:10,081 With me in the studio to discuss... 200 00:23:10,155 --> 00:23:12,715 ... the political implications of today's shooting... 201 00:23:12,791 --> 00:23:14,281 ... is Mr. Alec Nevin... 202 00:23:14,726 --> 00:23:18,162 ... who is a Conservative Party spokesman on Northern Ireland. 203 00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:20,858 Mr. Nevin, earlier, we saw pictures of Americans... 204 00:23:20,932 --> 00:23:23,867 ... demonstrating outside the British embassy in Washington. 205 00:23:23,935 --> 00:23:27,530 Let's make a distinction. What we saw was a demonstration... 206 00:23:27,606 --> 00:23:29,506 ... by supporters of the IRA... 207 00:23:29,574 --> 00:23:30,734 Could I finish my question? 208 00:23:30,809 --> 00:23:32,936 The people who give comfort and weapons... 209 00:23:33,011 --> 00:23:34,376 ... to the men of violence. 210 00:23:34,446 --> 00:23:36,812 John Ware, Labour MP. 211 00:23:36,882 --> 00:23:39,373 A particularly embarrassing thing, I would think... 212 00:23:39,451 --> 00:23:44,354 ... was, of course, the death of this civil-liberties spokesman... 213 00:23:44,623 --> 00:23:47,421 It's quite clear that people will be asking the question: 214 00:23:47,492 --> 00:23:50,518 Does this mean the investigation has hit on a raw nerve... 215 00:23:50,595 --> 00:23:53,689 ... has revealed some of the things that have been perpetrated... 216 00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:56,859 ... by security forces due to their presence in Northern Ireland? 217 00:23:59,805 --> 00:24:02,000 Is Ms. Jessner coming down to talk to us today? 218 00:24:02,073 --> 00:24:04,439 - No. She's resting. - How is she? 219 00:24:04,509 --> 00:24:05,533 All right. 220 00:24:05,610 --> 00:24:07,840 Have you been told any more about what happened... 221 00:24:07,913 --> 00:24:10,473 ...on the morning of the shooting? 222 00:24:10,816 --> 00:24:14,752 The only thing that we know is that Mr. Sullivan has been murdered... 223 00:24:14,820 --> 00:24:17,380 ...by a member of the security forces... 224 00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:20,687 ...near Dungannon in a car, a rented car... 225 00:24:20,759 --> 00:24:23,091 ...with a man called Mr. Molloy. 226 00:24:23,295 --> 00:24:25,855 Did Mr. Sullivan have Republican sympathies? 227 00:24:25,931 --> 00:24:27,922 - No. - Was he a member of Noraid? 228 00:24:27,999 --> 00:24:30,832 - Not at all. - What kind of a man was he, Mr. Sullivan? 229 00:24:32,170 --> 00:24:37,130 The only thing I can say is he was a very good lawyer and a great fighter... 230 00:24:37,209 --> 00:24:40,406 ...for the civil rights all over the world and a marvelous friend. 231 00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:43,107 The British government have just appointed... 232 00:24:43,181 --> 00:24:45,081 ...Deputy Chief Constable Kerrigan... 233 00:24:45,150 --> 00:24:47,584 ...to head up the investigation on the shooting. 234 00:24:47,652 --> 00:24:48,983 What's your reaction to that? 235 00:24:49,054 --> 00:24:53,753 I've heard that Kerrigan is a fine investigator of the CID... 236 00:24:53,825 --> 00:24:56,521 ...but we would have preferred that... 237 00:24:56,595 --> 00:25:00,497 ...it would have been an independent, international inquiry. 238 00:25:00,565 --> 00:25:02,829 So you don't have any confidence in the inquiry? 239 00:25:02,901 --> 00:25:05,563 I've got a certain amount of skepticism about that. 240 00:25:06,071 --> 00:25:08,198 You said that you were skeptical. Why? 241 00:25:08,273 --> 00:25:10,798 Why will the Kerrigan inquiry not discover the truth? 242 00:25:10,876 --> 00:25:15,711 Because you had a lot of inquiries in the 13 past years... 243 00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:19,011 ... and it didn't change anything. 244 00:25:36,735 --> 00:25:39,863 Excuse me, sir. I'm Sgt. Hughes, your liaison for your stay. 245 00:25:39,971 --> 00:25:42,371 Hello. This is Chief Superintendent Maxwell. 246 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,738 How do you do? The car's just outside the front. 247 00:25:44,809 --> 00:25:47,141 - Can I take your bag? - Thank you. 248 00:25:52,551 --> 00:25:55,019 - This Jessner woman... - Sullivan's girlfriend. 249 00:25:55,086 --> 00:25:59,455 What time is it now? 4:00. Late in the day. 250 00:26:00,258 --> 00:26:02,453 What about this Mrs. Molloy? 251 00:26:03,161 --> 00:26:06,187 She lives in Fort William. 252 00:26:07,232 --> 00:26:09,496 How far is it to Fort William, Sergeant? 253 00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:13,231 Fort William's just over here on the right, sir, about a mile away. 254 00:26:15,173 --> 00:26:17,937 It might be a good idea if you spoke to them both together. 255 00:26:18,009 --> 00:26:19,567 Let them feed off each other. 256 00:26:44,569 --> 00:26:46,059 Your ID, Sarge? 257 00:27:02,921 --> 00:27:04,752 Might as well leave the cases in the car. 258 00:27:04,823 --> 00:27:08,122 - We'll be going to the hotel after. - Sure they'll be safe here? 259 00:27:08,193 --> 00:27:09,717 I hope so, sir. 260 00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:23,464 Just in here, sir. 261 00:27:30,348 --> 00:27:33,408 - We're a bit pushed for space, sir. - Not bad. 262 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,714 I want a large wall map of Northern Ireland and a blackboard. 263 00:27:37,789 --> 00:27:40,622 - Blackboard? - Those big black things you write on. 264 00:27:41,092 --> 00:27:42,491 Yes, sir. 265 00:27:42,694 --> 00:27:47,757 - I'll tell Mr. Brodie you're here, sir. - Thank you, Sergeant. That's kind of you. 266 00:27:54,439 --> 00:27:57,374 Hello. 267 00:27:58,710 --> 00:28:02,942 - I've seen Jack Cunningham lately. - What's he doing nowadays? 268 00:28:03,014 --> 00:28:06,415 - He runs his own security business. - He must be rolling in it. 269 00:28:06,484 --> 00:28:08,145 He's earned it. 270 00:28:09,087 --> 00:28:11,419 Pleasure to meet you, Mr. Kerrigan. 271 00:28:11,489 --> 00:28:13,150 Chief Superintendent Maxwell. 272 00:28:13,224 --> 00:28:14,384 Sir. 273 00:28:14,459 --> 00:28:16,427 - Good flight? - Bit cramped. 274 00:28:16,494 --> 00:28:18,257 Yeah, always is. 275 00:28:18,730 --> 00:28:20,755 This is not what you're used to, I suppose. 276 00:28:20,832 --> 00:28:23,699 It's the best we can do for one of Britain's top policemen. 277 00:28:23,768 --> 00:28:25,167 It's perfectly adequate. 278 00:28:26,504 --> 00:28:29,132 - Anything else you need? - Thank you. I'll ask. 279 00:28:29,207 --> 00:28:31,698 Detective Sgt. Hughes will be your liaison officer. 280 00:28:31,776 --> 00:28:34,404 He will organize all your internal appointments. 281 00:28:34,479 --> 00:28:38,677 - Yes, secretarial staff... - She'll be arriving tomorrow. 282 00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:40,340 Excuse me. 283 00:28:42,554 --> 00:28:45,785 - Have you read the CID interim report? - Yes. 284 00:28:46,958 --> 00:28:49,085 Now, as I understand it... 285 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,790 ...your terms of reference in the inquiry are to reexamine the evidence and... 286 00:28:53,865 --> 00:28:56,356 Or if necessary, reinvestigate the circumstances... 287 00:28:56,434 --> 00:28:59,460 ...which led to the shooting of Paul Sullivan and Frank Molloy. 288 00:28:59,938 --> 00:29:03,135 I'm sure that your expertise will be appreciated. 289 00:29:03,842 --> 00:29:07,073 However, I should warn you that you may encounter some prejudice. 290 00:29:07,645 --> 00:29:11,172 - From members of your force? - Possibly. But don't let that deter you. 291 00:29:11,249 --> 00:29:12,716 It won't. 292 00:29:13,618 --> 00:29:17,577 See, you have to bear in mind the situation here in Northern Ireland. 293 00:29:17,655 --> 00:29:20,283 We operate under enormous pressure. 294 00:29:20,925 --> 00:29:23,758 For the last 12 years, the Royal Ulster Constabulary... 295 00:29:23,828 --> 00:29:27,696 ...have fought to maintain the peace against the terrorists. 296 00:29:28,299 --> 00:29:30,859 140 people have given their lives. 297 00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:32,759 3,500 have been injured. 298 00:29:33,238 --> 00:29:36,537 And 155 medals for outstanding feats of gallantry. 299 00:29:37,041 --> 00:29:39,305 Naturally, when outsiders from the mainland... 300 00:29:39,377 --> 00:29:42,972 ...come here to the province to tell us... - I do understand. 301 00:29:44,949 --> 00:29:48,578 But rest assured, no obstacle will be placed in your path. 302 00:29:48,653 --> 00:29:51,986 - You'll receive my full cooperation. - Thank you. 303 00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:55,851 About accommodation, we have a couple of safe houses where RUC personnel... 304 00:29:55,927 --> 00:30:00,762 I think it would be better if we were to stay in a small hotel somewhere. 305 00:30:01,266 --> 00:30:02,290 Can I ask why? 306 00:30:02,367 --> 00:30:05,495 I don't want to socialize with officers I might have to question. 307 00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:08,095 Best keep it on a strictly professional basis. 308 00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:11,703 - Could I just say one thing, so... - Also, I'll need a car... 309 00:30:12,477 --> 00:30:14,240 ...without a driver. 310 00:30:14,979 --> 00:30:17,311 You realize that I can't guarantee your safety? 311 00:30:17,382 --> 00:30:18,406 Absolutely. 312 00:30:18,483 --> 00:30:21,509 Just let me say one thing, so there can be no misunderstanding. 313 00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:26,613 When you have completed your inquiry, you will deliver your report to me first. 314 00:30:27,992 --> 00:30:31,359 - I understood it was to go to the DPP first. - No, it comes to me first. 315 00:30:31,429 --> 00:30:34,057 I will forward it to the Director of Public Prosecutions. 316 00:30:34,132 --> 00:30:36,794 That is the constitutional position. 317 00:30:37,068 --> 00:30:40,731 We might as well keep that on a professional basis, too. 318 00:30:40,805 --> 00:30:43,239 - Okay. - Thank you. 319 00:30:53,785 --> 00:30:55,252 Ingrid... 320 00:30:55,987 --> 00:30:59,855 Henri and I will stay with you for as long as you need us. 321 00:31:00,258 --> 00:31:02,123 - I'm okay. - You sure? 322 00:31:03,127 --> 00:31:06,722 I think you can do more back home than you can do here. 323 00:31:14,973 --> 00:31:16,270 Hello? 324 00:31:17,308 --> 00:31:20,334 No, it isn't Ingrid. Who is calling? 325 00:31:22,914 --> 00:31:24,882 Can you wait a second? 326 00:31:25,717 --> 00:31:27,582 It's Paul's mother. 327 00:31:32,557 --> 00:31:34,047 All right? 328 00:31:37,795 --> 00:31:39,057 Rose? 329 00:31:46,271 --> 00:31:48,136 How are you? Are you all right? 330 00:31:48,206 --> 00:31:50,572 Is there somebody there? Is somebody with you? 331 00:31:50,642 --> 00:31:52,610 That's good. 332 00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:57,806 I'm all right. I have some friends here, and it's... 333 00:32:37,488 --> 00:32:40,889 What's the crack on this Insp. Stephens of CID? 334 00:32:41,125 --> 00:32:44,356 Stephens? Decent enough man. 335 00:32:45,129 --> 00:32:46,926 Is he handling the shooting? 336 00:32:46,998 --> 00:32:50,456 Yes. If he was one of my detectives, he'd be back in uniform. 337 00:32:50,535 --> 00:32:51,559 Why? 338 00:32:51,636 --> 00:32:55,128 Three hours after the shooting, the RUC issued a statement. 339 00:32:55,406 --> 00:32:56,964 It was fabricated. 340 00:32:57,542 --> 00:33:00,375 - Maybe they had a reason? - No resistance was offered. 341 00:33:00,445 --> 00:33:03,903 The weapon found in the car clearly didn't belong there. 342 00:33:04,048 --> 00:33:06,676 Forensic showed that the shot that killed the Yank... 343 00:33:06,751 --> 00:33:10,847 ...was fired at two meters. The trajectory was wrong. 344 00:33:11,889 --> 00:33:15,689 The officer that did the shooting claims he shot at 25 feet. 345 00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:18,893 None of this was in the interim report. 346 00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:23,491 What if there were witnesses, and it comes out at the inquest? 347 00:33:23,568 --> 00:33:26,036 You know as well as I how long these things take. 348 00:33:26,104 --> 00:33:28,937 I know of two cases: One seven years ago, the other was five. 349 00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:32,238 - There's still no inquest in either of them. - This one's different. 350 00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:35,370 There's a lot of dead bodies in Northern Ireland, Peter. 351 00:33:35,780 --> 00:33:40,149 Jack, you haven't been followin' the news. Why the hell do you think I'm here? 352 00:33:40,351 --> 00:33:44,287 - A prominent American was involved. - Brodie was hoping you'd do a snow job. 353 00:33:44,355 --> 00:33:45,879 Not a chance. 354 00:33:45,957 --> 00:33:47,925 Next to the Pope, you're about to become... 355 00:33:47,992 --> 00:33:50,825 ...the most unpopular man in Northern Ireland. 356 00:33:50,895 --> 00:33:54,387 What you have to understand is Special Branch control the whole thing. 357 00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:56,523 Why do you think I got out? 358 00:33:57,168 --> 00:34:01,002 As soon as my time was up, I just grabbed my pension and ran. 359 00:34:02,707 --> 00:34:05,301 These three policemen involved in the shooting... 360 00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:08,736 - Cowboys, not policemen. - Tell me about them. 361 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,109 Members of an antiterrorist squad, operating undercover. 362 00:34:13,184 --> 00:34:15,379 SSU, Special Support Unit... 363 00:34:15,853 --> 00:34:17,787 ...code-named Echo 4 Alpha. 364 00:34:17,855 --> 00:34:20,323 - Answerable to whom? - Don't ask. 365 00:34:20,725 --> 00:34:22,249 I have to know. 366 00:34:22,627 --> 00:34:25,187 I'm not saying we shouldn't use them against the IRA... 367 00:34:25,263 --> 00:34:30,098 ...but the fact is, they're out of control. They're off the wire, trigger-happy. 368 00:34:31,302 --> 00:34:33,167 They go where they want, do what they want. 369 00:34:33,237 --> 00:34:35,967 They shoot first, no questions asked. 370 00:34:36,841 --> 00:34:40,038 The other side don't play by the rules either. 371 00:34:40,178 --> 00:34:41,611 We're not the IRA. 372 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,971 Goin' back to these three policemen... 373 00:34:45,049 --> 00:34:47,517 If they were involved, then it's a covert operation. 374 00:34:47,585 --> 00:34:50,349 - What about Special Branch? - They are Special Branch. 375 00:34:50,421 --> 00:34:54,016 - Sanctioned by them? - Or Ml5 or Ml6. 376 00:34:54,792 --> 00:34:57,056 Take your pick. We all piss in the same pot. 377 00:35:00,832 --> 00:35:03,323 If the British public knew half of what goes on... 378 00:35:03,401 --> 00:35:06,495 ...in Northern Ireland, they wouldn't sleep in their beds. 379 00:35:06,571 --> 00:35:11,008 - I don't know what the answer is. - Good night, Jack. Thanks. 380 00:35:11,275 --> 00:35:12,902 Do yourself a favor, Peter. 381 00:35:12,977 --> 00:35:15,445 I know it goes against the grain, but toe the line. 382 00:35:15,513 --> 00:35:17,913 Give them what they want, and get back to England. 383 00:35:17,982 --> 00:35:20,678 - We'll see. - You're a pillock! 384 00:35:20,751 --> 00:35:21,979 Mind how you go. 385 00:35:22,220 --> 00:35:25,678 Nobody gives a shit what happens in Northern Ireland. 386 00:36:37,061 --> 00:36:40,497 - What's wrong? - I found this on the seat of my car. 387 00:36:41,432 --> 00:36:44,401 "The next bullet is for you if you don't get out of Ireland. 388 00:36:44,468 --> 00:36:46,197 "Our day will come." 389 00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:48,536 IRA? 390 00:36:52,577 --> 00:36:54,545 It's a 9-millimeter. 391 00:36:54,612 --> 00:36:56,477 Walther PPK pistol. 392 00:36:58,282 --> 00:37:01,683 That's a weapon favored by the cowboys we talked about earlier. 393 00:37:02,853 --> 00:37:04,878 - Echo 4 Alpha? - Yeah. 394 00:37:06,958 --> 00:37:08,425 So where are you taking me? 395 00:37:09,927 --> 00:37:11,758 It's one of ours, Peter. 396 00:37:13,097 --> 00:37:14,758 Excuse me. Hi. 397 00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:18,229 Good afternoon, Ms. Jessner. 398 00:37:18,636 --> 00:37:20,331 - Any further news yet? - No, none. 399 00:37:20,404 --> 00:37:22,463 - What are your plans now? - I have none... 400 00:37:22,540 --> 00:37:25,634 ...and I don't want to say anything. Please, now, thank you. 401 00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:27,138 - Ms. Jessner. - Mr. Kerrigan. 402 00:37:27,211 --> 00:37:28,872 - Thank you for seeing me. - Of course. 403 00:37:28,946 --> 00:37:30,971 Did you get in touch with Mrs. Molloy? 404 00:37:31,048 --> 00:37:33,516 Yes. She's expecting us. 405 00:37:34,285 --> 00:37:36,583 How are your skills as a navigator? 406 00:37:56,374 --> 00:37:57,966 This is Paradox. 407 00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:00,978 Subjects leaving location. 408 00:38:01,612 --> 00:38:03,375 Tabs on now, please. 409 00:38:10,788 --> 00:38:13,256 Paul was murdered, Mr. Kerrigan. 410 00:38:13,891 --> 00:38:17,554 - Why would the police want to kill him? - I don't know, but they did. 411 00:38:18,229 --> 00:38:20,754 - What proof do you have? - None. 412 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,868 But I do know what goes on here. 413 00:38:25,269 --> 00:38:29,262 Torture, paid informants, roadside executions, death squads. 414 00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:39,643 Mr. Kerrigan, when I was going through Paul's things... 415 00:38:39,717 --> 00:38:42,652 ...I found something I think might be important. 416 00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:44,949 It's an empty cassette box. 417 00:38:45,690 --> 00:38:48,921 Paul was meticulous, and I can't find that tape. 418 00:38:49,627 --> 00:38:51,822 - Did you ask about it? - I told the police. 419 00:38:51,896 --> 00:38:55,992 - And what did they say? - They would look into it and call me back. 420 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,191 - And did they? - No. 421 00:38:59,437 --> 00:39:01,268 What was on the tape? 422 00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:05,002 I don't know, but he was listening to it the night before. 423 00:39:11,515 --> 00:39:13,005 This is it. 424 00:39:17,321 --> 00:39:21,485 I also found this list of names. 425 00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:23,754 - Is this his writing? - Yes. 426 00:39:30,568 --> 00:39:33,128 This is a pretty formidable group. 427 00:39:34,138 --> 00:39:37,198 Lord Randall, Alec Nevin, Sir Gerald Binning... 428 00:39:39,877 --> 00:39:41,344 Why did he write these six names? 429 00:39:41,412 --> 00:39:43,676 - I don't know. - Had he met them? 430 00:39:43,748 --> 00:39:45,773 No, not that I know of. 431 00:39:47,551 --> 00:39:49,485 Have you shown this to anyone else? 432 00:39:49,553 --> 00:39:52,681 No. Why, what do you think it is? 433 00:39:52,957 --> 00:39:54,891 What do you think? 434 00:39:55,993 --> 00:39:58,621 Could be people targeted, hit list. 435 00:40:00,865 --> 00:40:04,995 - I'm not saying it is, but... - Paul was not involved with terrorists. 436 00:40:05,069 --> 00:40:06,934 Perhaps innocently. 437 00:40:07,138 --> 00:40:10,505 - Maybe he was being used. - He was too smart to be manipulated. 438 00:40:10,574 --> 00:40:12,599 He was a good lawyer. He thought like one. 439 00:40:12,676 --> 00:40:14,644 Then why did he write down these six names? 440 00:40:14,712 --> 00:40:18,273 And why did he leave the hotel at 5:00 in the morning, leaving you? 441 00:40:18,916 --> 00:40:21,146 What was he doing driving around Dungannon... 442 00:40:21,218 --> 00:40:23,652 ...with a fringe member of the IRA? 443 00:40:24,922 --> 00:40:27,288 He must have been mixed up in something. 444 00:40:28,092 --> 00:40:30,720 Mrs. Molloy, is this Frank's father? 445 00:40:30,795 --> 00:40:33,355 - That's his father. - Who's that? 446 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:38,368 Them's his friends, lifelong friends. They just can't believe it either. 447 00:40:39,937 --> 00:40:44,806 Those were taken on holiday. It was the last holiday we had. 448 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:49,838 Have you a religion, Mr. Kerrigan? 449 00:40:50,915 --> 00:40:52,348 Catholic. 450 00:40:52,416 --> 00:40:56,079 In the heel of the hunt, we'll all be answerable to God. 451 00:40:56,387 --> 00:40:59,254 I curse the bloody day we ever came back here. 452 00:40:59,323 --> 00:41:00,847 Why did you? 453 00:41:01,158 --> 00:41:05,288 No choice. He was workin' for the Ministry of Defense in London. 454 00:41:05,629 --> 00:41:10,464 Some bright spark sent him on this course. Then he was transferred over here. 455 00:41:10,534 --> 00:41:12,798 What kind of work did he do? 456 00:41:13,204 --> 00:41:15,069 It came under the army... 457 00:41:15,306 --> 00:41:18,434 ...to do with education and publishing things. 458 00:41:19,410 --> 00:41:23,005 To tell you the truth, he never talked much about it... 459 00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:25,080 ...but he wasn't happy. 460 00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:27,014 That's why he left? 461 00:41:27,718 --> 00:41:31,347 Under a cloud. Said he couldn't stomach it anymore. 462 00:41:32,323 --> 00:41:34,553 Can I take a look at these? 463 00:41:36,727 --> 00:41:39,753 - Who's that? - That's Grace's weddin'. 464 00:41:40,531 --> 00:41:43,694 - It's your daughter? - That was a beautiful day. 465 00:41:43,767 --> 00:41:45,667 She looks wonderful. 466 00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:47,632 Mrs. Molloy... 467 00:41:49,907 --> 00:41:52,398 Did your husband ever mention Paul to you? 468 00:41:52,476 --> 00:41:53,670 No. 469 00:41:54,845 --> 00:41:57,643 They must have known each other, though, don't you think? 470 00:41:57,715 --> 00:42:00,843 They must've. But I never heard Frank mention him. 471 00:42:01,151 --> 00:42:03,517 You were telling us earlier... 472 00:42:03,821 --> 00:42:06,255 ...that the house was searched. 473 00:42:06,524 --> 00:42:08,458 Yes. Two days after. 474 00:42:09,793 --> 00:42:12,227 Do you know who authorized it? Was it the police? 475 00:42:12,396 --> 00:42:14,660 The big knock authorized it. 476 00:42:14,999 --> 00:42:19,197 1:00 in the mornin', you either open up, or your door goes in. 477 00:42:19,837 --> 00:42:21,828 Did they question you? 478 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,507 Asked me if I knew Capt. Harris. 479 00:42:25,175 --> 00:42:26,164 Capt. Harris? 480 00:42:26,577 --> 00:42:30,274 Frank's old boss. Worked in a unit at Lisburn. 481 00:42:30,614 --> 00:42:33,708 - And what did you tell them? - Told them the truth. 482 00:42:33,784 --> 00:42:36,412 The last time I saw Capt. Harris... 483 00:42:36,921 --> 00:42:38,218 ...was at the weddin'. 484 00:42:38,489 --> 00:42:40,957 Did they find anything? 485 00:42:41,592 --> 00:42:44,959 They took away some papers and all his cassette tapes. 486 00:42:45,029 --> 00:42:47,020 - Tapes? - The lot. 487 00:42:47,765 --> 00:42:50,734 Capt. Harris, if he was at the wedding... 488 00:42:50,801 --> 00:42:53,395 ...he might be in one of these photographs. 489 00:42:53,470 --> 00:42:55,461 You've just been looking at it. 490 00:42:55,539 --> 00:42:59,532 - This one? - That's him, next to the groom. 491 00:43:02,012 --> 00:43:03,377 I know him. 492 00:43:03,614 --> 00:43:06,412 - You met him? - No, I know his face. 493 00:43:07,952 --> 00:43:10,648 He was talking to Paul at the Orange Parade. 494 00:43:11,722 --> 00:43:15,658 - Here are the documents you asked for, sir. - Thank you, Chief. 495 00:43:27,972 --> 00:43:30,702 Could you initial there, Mr. Maxwell? 496 00:43:38,182 --> 00:43:42,744 And you'll have to sign the secured-documents book as well. 497 00:43:48,392 --> 00:43:51,623 And how did you get involved in civil liberties? 498 00:43:52,763 --> 00:43:54,287 I was in Chile. 499 00:43:54,598 --> 00:43:56,623 I was doing some research... 500 00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:59,396 ...for a TV documentary called The Disappeared. 501 00:43:59,937 --> 00:44:03,236 It was about the victims of Pinochet after the coup. 502 00:44:03,307 --> 00:44:07,471 - Paul was there working for the League. - When was that? 503 00:44:08,045 --> 00:44:09,535 1975. 504 00:44:10,381 --> 00:44:13,509 There was a technical adviser working with us... 505 00:44:14,051 --> 00:44:16,519 ...a young Chilean journalist. 506 00:44:17,021 --> 00:44:20,513 He disappeared one day and I went to the League and Paul... 507 00:44:20,591 --> 00:44:23,856 ...to see if they could find out what happened to him. 508 00:44:26,263 --> 00:44:28,561 - And did they? - No. 509 00:44:31,068 --> 00:44:33,866 It was a year before we found out he'd been executed. 510 00:44:34,571 --> 00:44:36,562 What happened to the film? 511 00:44:36,774 --> 00:44:39,902 - Never got made. - Too controversial? 512 00:44:39,977 --> 00:44:41,274 Too honest, I think. 513 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,139 It was about how Mr. Kissinger, the CIA, and the Pentagon... 514 00:44:45,215 --> 00:44:47,945 ...had made Chile safe for democracy. 515 00:44:51,188 --> 00:44:53,622 So I quit TV and joined the league. 516 00:44:54,224 --> 00:44:56,317 Got to know Paul better. 517 00:44:59,029 --> 00:45:01,429 How about you? You have a wife? 518 00:45:01,498 --> 00:45:02,692 Yes. 519 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,792 - Kids? - Three. 520 00:45:05,536 --> 00:45:08,334 Two at university, one away at school. 521 00:45:08,505 --> 00:45:11,065 - See them much? - Not as often as I'd like. 522 00:45:11,141 --> 00:45:14,474 May I have your attention, please? Telephone call for Mr. Kerrigan. 523 00:45:14,545 --> 00:45:17,742 - Would a Mr. Kerrigan please... - Excuse me. 524 00:45:17,815 --> 00:45:19,282 Thank you. 525 00:45:26,623 --> 00:45:27,817 Yes? 526 00:45:28,025 --> 00:45:31,324 It's Tom. I got that stuff on Harris, what there is of it. 527 00:45:31,395 --> 00:45:32,589 Go ahead. 528 00:45:32,663 --> 00:45:37,032 The first name's James John. Born Gateshead, 1942. 529 00:45:37,334 --> 00:45:41,600 Religion, Protestant. Joined the army, 1960, as a private soldier. 530 00:45:41,805 --> 00:45:44,365 Promoted to the rank of lieutenant in '64. 531 00:45:45,042 --> 00:45:47,875 Doesn't say which mob. 1971... 532 00:45:48,112 --> 00:45:49,306 ...he attended a course... 533 00:45:49,379 --> 00:45:53,873 ...at the United States Army Special Warfare School at Fort Bragg. 534 00:45:54,118 --> 00:45:56,279 A year later, 1972... 535 00:45:56,653 --> 00:46:01,283 ...he was seconded to the Psychological Warfare Unit... 536 00:46:01,492 --> 00:46:02,652 ...known as PSYOPS. 537 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,058 - The same place Molloy went to. - Right. 538 00:46:05,129 --> 00:46:09,088 In 1973, he was sent to Northern Ireland as a senior captain. 539 00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:14,704 That's it, apart from a list of postings at various regiments. 540 00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:16,865 - Nothing else? - Dead end. 541 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,337 And since '73? 542 00:46:19,009 --> 00:46:21,375 - Classified. - They told you that? 543 00:46:21,445 --> 00:46:23,675 With great emphasis. The shutters came down. 544 00:46:30,854 --> 00:46:33,880 If there is a connection between Paul's death and Harris... 545 00:46:33,957 --> 00:46:35,686 There has to be. 546 00:46:35,959 --> 00:46:38,359 Then I need to know more about the background. 547 00:46:38,428 --> 00:46:40,692 Why not start with where he is? 548 00:46:40,764 --> 00:46:43,324 According to the colonel I spoke to in Lisburn... 549 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,834 ...Harris is away on leave and can't be traced. 550 00:46:47,905 --> 00:46:50,169 There was a hint he may be suffering from stress. 551 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,140 Do you believe that? 552 00:46:52,409 --> 00:46:53,569 No. 553 00:46:54,845 --> 00:46:56,107 Mr. Kerrigan... 554 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,939 How far are you willing to go with this? 555 00:46:59,850 --> 00:47:00,908 Lf... 556 00:47:01,552 --> 00:47:03,611 ...and it's still a big if... 557 00:47:03,687 --> 00:47:07,453 ...but if Harris is, in any way, connected with this shooting... 558 00:47:08,025 --> 00:47:10,619 ...I don't care whose toes I tread on. 559 00:47:10,694 --> 00:47:15,063 He becomes part of the investigation, no more, no less. 560 00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:18,731 - Okay? - Okay. 561 00:47:20,204 --> 00:47:23,571 What it boils down to, Sergeant, is that you're in deep trouble. 562 00:47:23,907 --> 00:47:27,172 You're in a shit storm, and it's blowing around your ears. 563 00:47:27,244 --> 00:47:29,576 We're not just talking about disciplinary charges. 564 00:47:29,646 --> 00:47:31,511 It goes beyond that. 565 00:47:31,582 --> 00:47:34,244 You could be facing a murder charge. 566 00:47:34,551 --> 00:47:37,145 This man Sullivan was no run-of-the-mill Paddy... 567 00:47:37,221 --> 00:47:39,189 ...you could just blow away. 568 00:47:39,256 --> 00:47:42,020 He was an American lawyer with an international reputation. 569 00:47:42,092 --> 00:47:45,152 Now, there is no way this will be brushed under the carpet. 570 00:47:46,763 --> 00:47:48,492 How old are you? 571 00:47:49,333 --> 00:47:50,493 37. 572 00:47:51,368 --> 00:47:54,667 - How long have you been on the force? - Twelve years. 573 00:48:00,177 --> 00:48:03,510 Two years ago, you shot dead a Republican in the Falls. 574 00:48:03,580 --> 00:48:06,879 - It was either him or me, sir. - I'm not criticizing you, Sergeant. 575 00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:08,781 You should have been given a commendation. 576 00:48:08,852 --> 00:48:11,412 - I was. - I'm on your side. 577 00:48:13,624 --> 00:48:15,524 But if you go down for this... 578 00:48:16,293 --> 00:48:20,320 ...how long do you think you'd last in the Crumlin Road Prison? 579 00:48:25,269 --> 00:48:27,464 - You searched the bodies? - Yes, sir. 580 00:48:27,537 --> 00:48:30,062 - Took away all personal effects? - Yes, sir. 581 00:48:30,207 --> 00:48:32,437 Find anything interesting on Sullivan? 582 00:48:32,776 --> 00:48:37,475 Usual stuff: Wallet, money, ID card. 583 00:48:38,482 --> 00:48:40,973 What about the tape he was carrying? 584 00:48:43,587 --> 00:48:45,646 There was no tape, sir. 585 00:48:47,257 --> 00:48:49,623 - Are you getting all this? - Yes, sir. 586 00:48:49,693 --> 00:48:52,287 - Read out that last bit. - From where? 587 00:48:52,362 --> 00:48:53,989 From me asking about the tape. 588 00:48:54,498 --> 00:48:59,265 "What about the tape he was carrying?" "There was no tape, sir." 589 00:49:00,470 --> 00:49:02,529 Do you want me to leave it at that? 590 00:49:02,673 --> 00:49:06,200 It's up to you. You've already lied once in your statement to the CID. 591 00:49:06,276 --> 00:49:10,736 - I'm bound by the Official Secrets Act. - Not anymore, you're not. 592 00:49:11,848 --> 00:49:14,078 All constraints are lifted. 593 00:49:14,985 --> 00:49:18,216 You can wipe the slate clean and tell me everything that happened... 594 00:49:18,288 --> 00:49:21,689 ...and you might get off with a reprimand, or you bury yourself deeper. 595 00:49:22,426 --> 00:49:24,223 So what's it gonna be? 596 00:49:32,369 --> 00:49:34,166 After the shooting... 597 00:49:35,439 --> 00:49:38,636 ...we returned to the barracks for the debriefing. 598 00:49:40,978 --> 00:49:42,707 We were told... 599 00:49:43,580 --> 00:49:46,310 ...by a senior officer what to say. 600 00:49:47,718 --> 00:49:48,946 Name? 601 00:49:50,721 --> 00:49:52,348 Superintendent Fraser. 602 00:49:53,357 --> 00:49:55,587 He instructed you to lie to the CID? 603 00:49:55,792 --> 00:49:57,191 Yes, sir. 604 00:49:57,260 --> 00:50:00,252 He said it was to protect our source of information. 605 00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:02,321 Do you know what that source was? 606 00:50:02,399 --> 00:50:04,560 No, sir. We were only told to intercept. 607 00:50:05,602 --> 00:50:08,230 Were you ordered to shoot on sight? 608 00:50:09,439 --> 00:50:11,373 Not in so many words. 609 00:50:12,275 --> 00:50:13,572 What does that mean? 610 00:50:14,544 --> 00:50:18,605 We were told that the two men in the car were armed and dangerous... 611 00:50:18,682 --> 00:50:21,742 ...and we mustn't take any chances with them. 612 00:50:22,619 --> 00:50:24,849 How did you interpret that? 613 00:50:25,756 --> 00:50:28,691 I got the feeling that we were being given clear signals... 614 00:50:28,759 --> 00:50:32,786 ...to bring them back dead or alive, and there'd be no questions asked. 615 00:50:33,630 --> 00:50:35,894 Now, tell me about the tape. 616 00:50:37,734 --> 00:50:39,998 We took it from the American. 617 00:50:40,070 --> 00:50:41,367 Go on. 618 00:50:42,272 --> 00:50:44,502 When we got back to the barracks... 619 00:50:45,108 --> 00:50:47,133 ...Mr. Fraser was there to meet us. 620 00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:49,337 And there was someone else along with him. 621 00:50:49,413 --> 00:50:52,644 - A police officer? - More like Special Branch. 622 00:50:52,949 --> 00:50:55,577 - What was his name? - I don't know. 623 00:50:55,652 --> 00:50:57,244 But he seemed to be in charge. 624 00:50:58,555 --> 00:51:00,489 Can you describe him? 625 00:51:00,957 --> 00:51:02,390 English... 626 00:51:03,326 --> 00:51:04,588 ...tall... 627 00:51:05,262 --> 00:51:06,991 ...thinning on top... 628 00:51:07,631 --> 00:51:09,223 ...age, about 40. 629 00:51:11,268 --> 00:51:13,031 So what happened? 630 00:51:14,738 --> 00:51:18,333 The first thing the tall man asked about was the tape. 631 00:51:19,709 --> 00:51:22,143 - Which he took with him? - Yes, sir. 632 00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:26,445 - Have you any idea what was on the tape? - Not a clue, sir. 633 00:51:29,853 --> 00:51:31,115 Okay. 634 00:51:32,656 --> 00:51:36,217 We'll just run through it again. Then you can sign it. 635 00:51:40,564 --> 00:51:42,725 Do you have his statement? 636 00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:48,160 Here. Now. 637 00:51:48,872 --> 00:51:52,501 The senior officer that did the debriefing, Superintendent Fraser, yeah... 638 00:51:52,576 --> 00:51:54,908 ...I want to see him today. 639 00:51:55,045 --> 00:51:56,137 What do you think? 640 00:51:56,213 --> 00:51:58,875 I think it's time I had a word with Mr. Brodie... 641 00:51:58,949 --> 00:52:03,352 ...after I've interviewed Fraser. There's something else I want you to do. 642 00:52:03,653 --> 00:52:07,089 Before he left the hotel, Sullivan wrote a list of names. 643 00:52:07,157 --> 00:52:09,284 I want you to check them. 644 00:52:09,626 --> 00:52:13,494 The connection is obvious. Famous punters, what have you. 645 00:52:14,397 --> 00:52:16,797 I want something more specific. 646 00:52:17,334 --> 00:52:20,963 - Has Brodie seen this? - No. We'll keep it in the family. 647 00:52:27,577 --> 00:52:28,976 538, please. 648 00:52:32,516 --> 00:52:35,644 Here's your key, and there's a message for you as well. 649 00:54:00,103 --> 00:54:02,833 - Hiya. Come on in. - Thanks. 650 00:54:12,048 --> 00:54:13,208 Hey. 651 00:54:14,617 --> 00:54:16,517 - Kevin. - Here you are. 652 00:54:17,253 --> 00:54:18,618 Thanks. 653 00:54:18,888 --> 00:54:22,324 Look, I was really sorry to hear about Mr. Sullivan. 654 00:54:22,659 --> 00:54:24,058 Thanks. 655 00:54:27,163 --> 00:54:28,653 Do you smoke? 656 00:54:28,732 --> 00:54:32,190 - Here. - Yes. Thanks. 657 00:54:33,136 --> 00:54:35,798 - So is it just you and Kevin? - Yeah. 658 00:54:36,339 --> 00:54:39,069 His dad's doing 12 years in the Kesh. 659 00:54:40,543 --> 00:54:41,373 What for? 660 00:54:42,145 --> 00:54:45,012 Possession of arms and IRA membership. 661 00:54:45,315 --> 00:54:49,115 He was doing a punishment for the IRA on some local gangsters... 662 00:54:49,185 --> 00:54:53,713 ...who were robbin' their own community, and he got caught by the RUC. 663 00:54:54,324 --> 00:54:57,316 Just like him. He never did have much luck. 664 00:54:58,895 --> 00:55:02,854 So you said in your note that you might have some information. 665 00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:05,431 I'm just delivering a message. 666 00:55:06,202 --> 00:55:09,501 Harris wants to meet you and the policeman Kerrigan. 667 00:55:10,340 --> 00:55:12,331 - When? - Tomorrow night. 668 00:55:13,877 --> 00:55:17,313 Look, after what's happened, can you trust Kerrigan? 669 00:55:18,214 --> 00:55:23,083 - Yeah, I trust him. I think he's different. - Anyway, Harris wants him there. 670 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,749 You're to meet at a Republican club off Falls Road. I have the address. 671 00:55:28,525 --> 00:55:30,618 Will Kerrigan be safe in a Republican club? 672 00:55:30,693 --> 00:55:33,890 He'll be safe as long as you're with him. 673 00:55:34,464 --> 00:55:37,592 I'll get you that photograph I told you about. 674 00:55:39,836 --> 00:55:41,326 This is it. 675 00:55:43,139 --> 00:55:45,471 He's an officer in the SAS. 676 00:55:46,276 --> 00:55:48,904 He led a killer squad across the border. 677 00:55:48,978 --> 00:55:51,412 That's where this photograph was taken. 678 00:55:59,956 --> 00:56:02,891 Is there anything in Sgt. Kennedy's statement... 679 00:56:02,959 --> 00:56:05,689 ...you disagree with, Superintendent? 680 00:56:06,629 --> 00:56:07,994 No, sir. 681 00:56:08,298 --> 00:56:11,734 He says that you instructed him to lie to the CID... 682 00:56:12,335 --> 00:56:15,736 ...about the shooting of Paul Sullivan and Frank Molloy. Is this true? 683 00:56:17,340 --> 00:56:19,331 It was to protect our source of information. 684 00:56:19,409 --> 00:56:22,776 - Can you tell me what that source was? - That's classified information. 685 00:56:22,846 --> 00:56:26,077 - On whose orders? - On the orders of Mr. Brodie. 686 00:56:29,486 --> 00:56:33,217 When your men returned to the barracks, they were given a debriefing. 687 00:56:33,456 --> 00:56:35,981 Were they given a cover-up story? 688 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,190 Certain evidence was withheld, yes. 689 00:56:39,262 --> 00:56:43,028 A dress rehearsal, so they could decide what to tell the CID? 690 00:56:44,567 --> 00:56:46,364 - Yes, sir. - By you? 691 00:56:47,537 --> 00:56:50,404 Yes, sir, but I was acting under orders. 692 00:56:53,376 --> 00:56:55,276 This Englishman... 693 00:56:57,013 --> 00:56:59,641 ...tall, thinning hair, about 40... 694 00:57:00,416 --> 00:57:02,748 ...who took the tape, who is he? 695 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,514 - Don't know, sir. - Have you seen him before? 696 00:57:08,925 --> 00:57:11,052 Once, with Mr. Brodie. 697 00:57:11,394 --> 00:57:12,691 Where? 698 00:57:13,963 --> 00:57:15,988 Here, in this building. 699 00:57:16,633 --> 00:57:20,433 - Did he show you his authority? - No, sir. 700 00:57:21,638 --> 00:57:24,300 He just walked in and took the tape? 701 00:57:25,108 --> 00:57:27,975 I received a phone call from Mr. Brodie. 702 00:57:28,645 --> 00:57:30,237 He told you to give it to him? 703 00:57:31,748 --> 00:57:33,147 Yes, sir. 704 00:57:35,552 --> 00:57:38,020 - Would you mind if I smoke, sir? - Yes, I do. 705 00:57:55,605 --> 00:57:57,095 Go! 706 00:57:57,607 --> 00:57:58,869 Move! Move it! 707 00:57:59,242 --> 00:58:01,210 Get out of here! 708 00:58:02,278 --> 00:58:05,179 - Police! - Get out of my house! 709 00:58:06,916 --> 00:58:10,249 - There's nobody in there! Just get out! - Get inside, get in there. 710 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,585 What do you want? My baby's in there. Don't let them go in there! 711 00:58:13,656 --> 00:58:16,056 I'm arresting you under the Emergency Provisions Act. 712 00:58:16,125 --> 00:58:18,992 - Get your clothes on now! - What are they doing? 713 00:58:19,062 --> 00:58:20,552 My baby's in the other room. 714 00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:23,190 Okay, that's too bad. Get your clothes on! 715 00:58:23,266 --> 00:58:25,962 - No! What are you arresting me for? - Get your clothes on. 716 00:58:26,035 --> 00:58:29,334 - I'm arresting you under Section 11! - I haven't done anything! 717 00:58:29,405 --> 00:58:32,966 - We'll see about that! - Will you, now? I'm going nowhere! 718 00:58:33,042 --> 00:58:35,237 Tell him to get out of there! My baby's in there! 719 00:58:35,311 --> 00:58:38,280 - Get your clothes on now! - I'm putting no clothes on! 720 00:58:41,918 --> 00:58:44,284 Get off! 721 00:58:44,354 --> 00:58:46,720 - You bitch! - Get off! 722 00:58:49,592 --> 00:58:52,584 - Get off me! - Just calm down! 723 00:58:52,662 --> 00:58:54,721 I'm going nowhere until I've seen a solicitor! 724 00:58:54,797 --> 00:58:58,528 - Just calm down! Open the door, Sam. - What about my baby next door? 725 00:58:58,801 --> 00:59:01,133 Open that door. We're going downtown. 726 00:59:01,704 --> 00:59:04,036 - I'm going nowhere! - Hold her! 727 00:59:12,682 --> 00:59:15,913 - Has Brodie's office returned my call yet? - No. 728 00:59:16,986 --> 00:59:18,613 Try again now. 729 00:59:25,428 --> 00:59:27,157 Mr. Kerrigan's secretary. 730 00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:30,666 Did you set up that appointment with Mr. Brodie yet? 731 00:59:31,067 --> 00:59:34,264 Why not? I've been trying since 12:00 yesterday. 732 00:59:36,472 --> 00:59:38,667 Excuse me. He can't meet you today. 733 00:59:38,741 --> 00:59:41,938 - He has an official engagement. - Playing games. 734 00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:44,671 Find out when he's leaving. 735 00:59:45,982 --> 00:59:48,075 Is Mr. Brodie there now? 736 00:59:49,085 --> 00:59:51,849 What time's his appointment? Thank you. 737 00:59:52,522 --> 00:59:53,921 He's there until 2:30. 738 01:00:06,302 --> 01:00:09,567 Two statements: Fraser's and Sgt. Kennedy's. 739 01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:12,802 - I'd like to see them. - They'll be in my report. 740 01:00:12,975 --> 01:00:15,375 - And now you want to question me? - Interview you. 741 01:00:15,445 --> 01:00:18,346 - Make an appointment. - All right. When? 742 01:00:18,781 --> 01:00:22,012 - At my convenience. - Will you get off your fuckin' high horse? 743 01:00:22,618 --> 01:00:25,644 I don't ask your cooperation! I demand it! 744 01:00:27,590 --> 01:00:31,287 - What is it you want? - Everything, chapter and verse. 745 01:00:32,228 --> 01:00:34,389 - That might not be possible. - Why not? 746 01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:36,825 Give me your question, and please try to hurry. 747 01:00:36,899 --> 01:00:39,367 I've got another funeral to attend. 748 01:00:39,435 --> 01:00:43,531 Both Superintendent Fraser and Sgt. Kennedy admit there was a cover-up. 749 01:00:44,807 --> 01:00:47,833 - Fraser says you ordered it. - Classified. 750 01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:49,343 Then the buck stops here? 751 01:00:49,445 --> 01:00:51,970 - It's classified. - I can't accept that. 752 01:00:52,048 --> 01:00:54,949 Then put that in your report, too. Next question. 753 01:00:55,485 --> 01:00:56,816 - He says... - Who says? 754 01:00:56,886 --> 01:01:01,346 Fraser says it was in order to protect the source. 755 01:01:01,691 --> 01:01:04,626 - That's acceptable. - Not to me, it isn't. 756 01:01:04,694 --> 01:01:06,889 That's because you have been meddling in things... 757 01:01:06,963 --> 01:01:11,263 Meddling? I am conducting an investigation, for Christ's Sake! 758 01:01:12,502 --> 01:01:14,766 Cover-up stories are used to protect informants... 759 01:01:14,837 --> 01:01:17,465 ...whose lives might be endangered. 760 01:01:17,707 --> 01:01:18,935 Look. 761 01:01:19,108 --> 01:01:23,067 The last thing I want to do is to probe into sensitive areas. 762 01:01:23,379 --> 01:01:25,939 But these civil-liberties people are organized. 763 01:01:26,015 --> 01:01:28,916 They're sending over a lawyer from the States for the inquest. 764 01:01:28,985 --> 01:01:29,974 So? 765 01:01:30,052 --> 01:01:32,680 They'll make mincemeat out of you. They'll ask questions. 766 01:01:32,755 --> 01:01:34,723 I've got a couple questions of my own. 767 01:01:35,291 --> 01:01:36,883 There was no roadblock. 768 01:01:36,959 --> 01:01:39,519 No witnesses were questioned, no resistance offered. 769 01:01:39,595 --> 01:01:41,756 The weapon found in the car had no fingerprints. 770 01:01:41,831 --> 01:01:43,992 Forensic showed the shot that killed Sullivan... 771 01:01:44,066 --> 01:01:48,332 ...was fired at a distance of two meters after the car had crashed. 772 01:01:48,404 --> 01:01:50,872 The officers involved were acting on the assumption... 773 01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:53,067 ...that both men were armed and dangerous. 774 01:01:53,142 --> 01:01:54,541 Prove it. 775 01:01:56,312 --> 01:01:59,873 What was Sullivan doing in Dungannon at 5:00 in the morning with Molloy? 776 01:01:59,949 --> 01:02:01,382 Was there a warrant out for them? 777 01:02:01,450 --> 01:02:03,782 - No, there wasn't. - Then you've no case. 778 01:02:03,853 --> 01:02:06,788 There's no law against two men deciding to go out for a drive. 779 01:02:06,856 --> 01:02:09,848 When that comes out in court, your cover story will be blown... 780 01:02:09,926 --> 01:02:13,123 ...because neither Kennedy nor Fraser are prepared to carry the can. 781 01:02:13,196 --> 01:02:15,790 - That's for the DPP to decide. - Will he have a choice? 782 01:02:15,865 --> 01:02:19,596 When that lawyer gets him at the inquest, he'll squeeze him like toothpaste. 783 01:02:19,669 --> 01:02:22,695 Do you think I give a shit about a smart-arsed American lawyer? 784 01:02:22,772 --> 01:02:24,672 I would, if I were you! 785 01:02:24,740 --> 01:02:29,370 Yes. The RUC do run covert operations, but so do the IRA! 786 01:02:29,579 --> 01:02:33,208 If you want to bring home the bacon, you first of all have to kill the pig. 787 01:02:34,283 --> 01:02:36,410 Now, if you will excuse me... 788 01:02:36,853 --> 01:02:39,788 ...three of our young men are being buried this morning. 789 01:02:39,856 --> 01:02:41,585 Blown up by a land mine. 790 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,152 I have more questions. 791 01:02:46,229 --> 01:02:48,720 Two of them were married with young children. 792 01:02:48,798 --> 01:02:50,561 I want that tape. 793 01:02:52,602 --> 01:02:53,660 What tape? 794 01:02:53,736 --> 01:02:57,604 The tape they found on Sullivan's body and brought back to Gough Barracks. 795 01:02:58,341 --> 01:02:59,672 This Fraser again? 796 01:02:59,742 --> 01:03:01,710 And Kennedy. It's in both their statements. 797 01:03:01,777 --> 01:03:03,972 - I don't have the tape. - But you know who does. 798 01:03:04,046 --> 01:03:07,140 - Classified information. - "Classified" bullshit! 799 01:03:07,416 --> 01:03:11,614 What the fuck are you people runnin' here? Your own private shooting war? 800 01:03:11,687 --> 01:03:13,587 Checks and balances, Mr. Kerrigan. 801 01:03:13,656 --> 01:03:15,954 Between the jigs and the reels, we are winning. 802 01:03:16,025 --> 01:03:18,858 And innocent lives are being saved as a result! 803 01:03:19,695 --> 01:03:22,493 The source you wish to protect is Army Intelligence. 804 01:03:22,698 --> 01:03:24,063 Am I right? 805 01:03:27,003 --> 01:03:29,096 - What did you say? - I'll say it again quickly. 806 01:03:29,171 --> 01:03:31,332 Molloy and Sullivan were killed for that tape... 807 01:03:31,407 --> 01:03:34,934 ...and Army Intelligence, Ml5, Ml6, call it what you want, are involved... 808 01:03:35,011 --> 01:03:38,071 ...and I want to know why, Mr. Brodie. 809 01:03:38,414 --> 01:03:40,974 - Then take it up with them. - You ordered it. 810 01:03:41,050 --> 01:03:43,951 My participation was limited to policing the operation. 811 01:03:44,020 --> 01:03:46,682 - That will sound wonderful in court. - What court? 812 01:03:46,822 --> 01:03:49,017 There will be accounting. Charges will be made. 813 01:03:49,091 --> 01:03:51,218 - By you? - I'll recommend it in my report. 814 01:03:51,294 --> 01:03:53,660 Which I shall take to the DPP for him to decide. 815 01:03:53,729 --> 01:03:55,026 - It won't work. - What won't? 816 01:03:55,097 --> 01:03:57,190 Not at my expense, it won't. 817 01:03:57,433 --> 01:04:01,699 My God, you're catchin' the Irish disease. You're gettin' paranoid. 818 01:04:02,004 --> 01:04:04,871 If necessary, I'm prepared to resign over this... 819 01:04:04,941 --> 01:04:07,739 ...and start telling tales out of school. 820 01:04:07,810 --> 01:04:11,507 I don't think you will. You're a career officer like me. 821 01:04:12,615 --> 01:04:15,277 - I mean it. - You'd resign the force and go public? 822 01:04:15,351 --> 01:04:16,943 If I have to. 823 01:04:17,453 --> 01:04:21,287 Listen, we're both professionals. We observe certain rules. 824 01:04:21,490 --> 01:04:23,355 Then understand. 825 01:04:23,626 --> 01:04:25,287 Without access to that tape... 826 01:04:25,361 --> 01:04:28,524 ...it is impossible for me to evaluate the evidence. 827 01:04:28,597 --> 01:04:33,296 I'm afraid I can't help you there. I have neither seen nor heard that tape. 828 01:04:33,436 --> 01:04:37,566 And frankly, I don't want the burden. Now, if you will excuse me. 829 01:04:41,444 --> 01:04:43,036 Who's Harris? 830 01:04:44,647 --> 01:04:45,978 Harris? 831 01:04:46,449 --> 01:04:48,542 I've never heard of him. 832 01:04:53,222 --> 01:04:56,988 Ms. McKechnie, will you show Mr. Kerrigan out of my office, please? 833 01:05:12,208 --> 01:05:14,802 I wonder what Harris' connection with the Provos is? 834 01:05:15,077 --> 01:05:18,046 - Why do you think he has one? - Why else meet in an IRA club? 835 01:05:18,114 --> 01:05:20,344 - It's a Republican club. - Same difference. 836 01:05:20,416 --> 01:05:23,112 Not every Republican supports the IRA. 837 01:05:23,352 --> 01:05:26,810 Let's hope you're right. I could be putting my head in a noose. 838 01:05:26,889 --> 01:05:29,050 I don't think you have to worry. 839 01:05:29,191 --> 01:05:31,955 You can count on the IRA to be predictable. 840 01:05:32,028 --> 01:05:34,496 Yes. They shoot policemen. 841 01:05:53,382 --> 01:05:55,350 Did you lock the door? 842 01:06:19,208 --> 01:06:21,369 - Are you lookin' for someone? - Teresa Doyle. 843 01:06:21,444 --> 01:06:23,674 - You have to be signed in by a member. - Pardon? 844 01:06:23,746 --> 01:06:27,842 - You have to be signed in by a member. - That's why I'm waiting for her to come. 845 01:06:27,917 --> 01:06:32,513 It's okay, Danny. I know these people. I take full responsibility for them. 846 01:06:32,588 --> 01:06:34,920 Welcome to the James Connolly Republican Club. 847 01:06:34,990 --> 01:06:38,016 I'm Liam Philbin, Sinn Fein rep for this area and club secretary. 848 01:06:38,094 --> 01:06:39,322 Ingrid Jessner. 849 01:06:39,395 --> 01:06:40,828 Hello. Peter Kerrigan. 850 01:06:41,664 --> 01:06:43,791 - Got here okay, then? - Yeah, fine, thanks. 851 01:06:43,866 --> 01:06:46,858 Would you like to buy a football ticket? Football ticket. 852 01:06:47,169 --> 01:06:48,568 Never misses a trick. 853 01:06:48,637 --> 01:06:51,037 - Fifty pence. - Four. 854 01:06:51,841 --> 01:06:52,899 Thank you. 855 01:06:54,910 --> 01:06:58,607 Congratulations. You've just contributed to a fund for Republican prisoners. 856 01:06:58,681 --> 01:06:59,670 Thank you very much. 857 01:06:59,748 --> 01:07:01,909 - Here's a present. - Down to you. 858 01:07:01,984 --> 01:07:04,452 - Shall we go in? - Sure. Is Teresa here? 859 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,318 - No, Teresa got lifted on Monday. - Lifted? What for? 860 01:07:07,389 --> 01:07:09,949 Harassment. Happens all the time. 861 01:07:10,292 --> 01:07:11,782 - Is she all right? - She's okay. 862 01:07:11,861 --> 01:07:14,523 - And the baby? - They're being looked after. 863 01:07:14,597 --> 01:07:16,724 "In the Maidstone and the Maze 864 01:07:16,932 --> 01:07:20,891 "I thought about my land throughout these days 865 01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:24,264 "Why my country was divided 866 01:07:24,540 --> 01:07:26,940 "Why I was now in jail 867 01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:30,840 "Imprisoned without crime or without trial 868 01:07:32,214 --> 01:07:36,947 "And now I love my country I am not a bitter man 869 01:07:37,186 --> 01:07:41,179 "I've seen cruelty and injustice at first hand 870 01:07:42,925 --> 01:07:47,692 "And then one fateful mornin' I shook bold freedom's hand 871 01:07:48,063 --> 01:07:51,328 "For right or wrong, I tried to free my land 872 01:07:52,801 --> 01:07:57,704 "And you dare call me a terrorist while you look down your gun 873 01:07:57,907 --> 01:08:01,673 "When I think of all the deeds that you have done 874 01:08:02,778 --> 01:08:07,579 "You have plundered many nations, divided many lands 875 01:08:07,850 --> 01:08:12,651 "You have terrorized their people You've ruled with an iron hand 876 01:08:12,821 --> 01:08:16,723 "And you've brought this reign of terror to my land 877 01:08:18,260 --> 01:08:22,959 "And you dare call me a terrorist while you look down your gun 878 01:08:23,365 --> 01:08:27,233 "When I think of all the deeds that you have done 879 01:08:28,337 --> 01:08:33,001 "You have plundered many nations, divided many lands 880 01:08:33,175 --> 01:08:38,078 "You have terrorized their people You've ruled with an iron hand 881 01:08:38,247 --> 01:08:42,274 "And you've brought this reign of terror to my land 882 01:08:43,786 --> 01:08:48,655 "You've brought this reign of terror to my land" 883 01:08:49,992 --> 01:08:51,459 Thank you. 884 01:08:57,666 --> 01:09:00,260 Jimmy here's gonna do the next one. 885 01:09:02,905 --> 01:09:05,567 On the wall, you see a picture of James Connolly... 886 01:09:05,641 --> 01:09:07,734 ...one of our greatest-ever Irish leaders. 887 01:09:07,843 --> 01:09:11,609 Connolly said, many years ago, that England has no more moral right... 888 01:09:11,847 --> 01:09:13,644 ...to administer Irish affairs... 889 01:09:13,716 --> 01:09:16,708 ...than it has to administer the affairs of America or Japan. 890 01:09:17,052 --> 01:09:21,182 No more moral right to police us than it has a moral right to shoot us. 891 01:09:21,257 --> 01:09:23,225 That is the answer: British withdrawal. 892 01:09:23,292 --> 01:09:24,725 That's the answer... 893 01:09:25,527 --> 01:09:29,258 ...but innocent people have been killed. 894 01:09:29,331 --> 01:09:33,097 Yes, innocent people have been killed and are being killed. 895 01:09:33,168 --> 01:09:36,035 But if you look at all the colonies, for instance, America. 896 01:09:36,105 --> 01:09:38,573 George Washington was called a terrorist in his time. 897 01:09:38,641 --> 01:09:42,771 Jomo Kenyatta was a terrorist. Archbishop Makarios was a terrorist. 898 01:09:42,845 --> 01:09:46,372 Unfortunately, colonies appear to have to fight for their freedom. 899 01:09:46,448 --> 01:09:49,212 It is never granted willingly. They must struggle for it. 900 01:09:49,285 --> 01:09:50,616 Liam... 901 01:09:51,053 --> 01:09:53,851 Do you know why Paul was with Mr. Molloy that morning? 902 01:09:53,922 --> 01:09:57,380 Yes. Molloy was taking him to meet Harris, in fact. 903 01:09:57,459 --> 01:09:59,552 - Where? - At a safe house. 904 01:09:59,928 --> 01:10:01,020 That you provided? 905 01:10:01,096 --> 01:10:04,827 - Yes. Our interests coincided. - In what way? 906 01:10:05,868 --> 01:10:08,462 Let's just say that our enemies became his enemies. 907 01:10:08,904 --> 01:10:10,701 Where is he, Liam? 908 01:10:10,939 --> 01:10:15,069 He's out the back here, waitin' for you. If you like, we'll go now and see him. 909 01:10:15,144 --> 01:10:17,374 - Yes. - Good, then. Come on. 910 01:10:24,386 --> 01:10:26,513 "Gloucester's crumbling pushed us westward 911 01:10:26,588 --> 01:10:29,921 "To liberate all the Irish Some of us that came to fight 912 01:10:29,992 --> 01:10:32,392 "From Tipperary mountainside" 913 01:10:36,565 --> 01:10:37,998 Here's your visitors now. 914 01:10:39,034 --> 01:10:41,901 - Thank you, Liam. - Okay. I'll leave you to it. 915 01:10:41,970 --> 01:10:43,198 Thank you. 916 01:10:43,906 --> 01:10:46,033 - Harris? - Yes. 917 01:10:47,176 --> 01:10:50,737 - How much has Liam told you? - Only that Molloy brought you here... 918 01:10:50,879 --> 01:10:53,871 ...and that you were sheltered by the IRA. 919 01:10:53,949 --> 01:10:57,385 - And you find that reprehensible? - For Molloy? No. 920 01:10:57,686 --> 01:10:59,483 No. He has his loyalties. 921 01:10:59,555 --> 01:11:03,685 But for you, an officer serving in the British Army, yes. 922 01:11:09,465 --> 01:11:12,298 I am terribly sorry about what happened. 923 01:11:12,368 --> 01:11:14,632 I really didn't think they'd go that far. 924 01:11:15,537 --> 01:11:17,869 Why did you want to see Paul? 925 01:11:18,173 --> 01:11:21,904 - I gave him a tape. Didn't you know that? - Not till later. 926 01:11:24,113 --> 01:11:25,808 Coming here could cost me my life. 927 01:11:25,881 --> 01:11:30,045 Mine, too, but unlike you, I don't have the IRA to protect me. 928 01:11:30,185 --> 01:11:32,380 I gave the IRA nothing. 929 01:11:49,505 --> 01:11:52,633 I was an Army Intelligence officer co-opted to work with Ml6... 930 01:11:52,708 --> 01:11:54,403 ...and Ml5 when they took over. 931 01:11:54,543 --> 01:11:55,908 PSYOPS. 932 01:11:56,378 --> 01:11:59,438 Our cover name was "Information Policy Unit." 933 01:11:59,948 --> 01:12:03,111 Our official function was to liaise with the press... 934 01:12:03,185 --> 01:12:06,245 ...and prepare public relations programs. 935 01:12:06,922 --> 01:12:08,549 And unofficial? 936 01:12:09,124 --> 01:12:10,955 We had our own printing press. 937 01:12:11,026 --> 01:12:14,621 We'd forge documents attributed to Republican sources. 938 01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:18,923 We'd provide material for the media: Newspapers, magazines, television. 939 01:12:19,001 --> 01:12:20,593 - Black propaganda? - Yes. 940 01:12:20,669 --> 01:12:22,694 What kind of material? 941 01:12:23,505 --> 01:12:25,973 Whatever we thought was necessary. 942 01:12:26,041 --> 01:12:29,408 We'd invent stories, leak truths, leak lies... 943 01:12:29,912 --> 01:12:31,106 ...leak half-truths. 944 01:12:31,547 --> 01:12:33,981 Accountable to the politicians. 945 01:12:35,784 --> 01:12:38,412 Let us get one thing straight, Kerrigan. 946 01:12:38,620 --> 01:12:40,781 We were accountable to no one. 947 01:12:40,856 --> 01:12:44,952 The Prime Minister, Parliament, the courts, the great British public... 948 01:12:45,027 --> 01:12:48,963 It made no difference. They were all there to be manipulated. 949 01:12:49,131 --> 01:12:53,227 - And that didn't bother you? - Not against the IRA, it didn't. 950 01:12:54,203 --> 01:12:57,263 But during the election of '74... 951 01:12:58,740 --> 01:13:01,573 ...our work became increasingly political. 952 01:13:01,643 --> 01:13:03,702 Ml5 were running things. 953 01:13:03,779 --> 01:13:05,974 Our long-term objectives were abandoned. 954 01:13:06,148 --> 01:13:09,709 The new emphasis was on assassination teams, bounty hunters. 955 01:13:10,185 --> 01:13:12,779 But the PSYOPS unit continued to operate? 956 01:13:13,021 --> 01:13:15,489 Yes, but with fresh targets. 957 01:13:16,558 --> 01:13:20,494 During the '70s, the Conservative Party was demoralized and divided. 958 01:13:20,562 --> 01:13:22,587 They saw their party leader, Edward Heath... 959 01:13:22,664 --> 01:13:26,031 ...cave in against the miners' strike of '74 and were searching for... 960 01:13:26,101 --> 01:13:28,763 ...a new leader from the hard right. 961 01:13:31,206 --> 01:13:34,437 We circulated stories about his private life. 962 01:13:35,177 --> 01:13:36,235 Heath was dumped. 963 01:13:36,512 --> 01:13:38,639 And replaced by Thatcher. 964 01:13:38,780 --> 01:13:40,839 Yeah, but that wasn't enough. 965 01:13:40,916 --> 01:13:43,578 There was concern amongst business and the military... 966 01:13:43,652 --> 01:13:46,143 ...that Labour were heading for a third term in office. 967 01:13:46,221 --> 01:13:48,712 The moderates would be replaced by the left-wingers... 968 01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:52,317 ...who, in turn, would be opposed to NATO and nuclear weapons. 969 01:13:52,394 --> 01:13:56,728 Remember, inflation was running rife, industry was crippled by strikes. 970 01:13:57,065 --> 01:13:59,260 What is this leading up to? 971 01:13:59,334 --> 01:14:01,063 Treason, Mr. Kerrigan. 972 01:14:02,004 --> 01:14:05,337 Pressure came from the CIA to get rid of the Labour government. 973 01:14:05,407 --> 01:14:06,465 Jesus. 974 01:14:06,808 --> 01:14:10,039 They fed information to Ml5 that Prime Minister Wilson... 975 01:14:10,112 --> 01:14:12,103 ...was a KGB agent. 976 01:14:12,514 --> 01:14:15,278 It was a joint CIA-Ml5 operation... 977 01:14:15,751 --> 01:14:17,776 ...supported by others in Whitehall. 978 01:14:18,253 --> 01:14:21,313 Yeah, the whole bag of dirty tricks was used: 979 01:14:22,224 --> 01:14:26,752 Smears, break-ins, burglaries, phone-tapping, blackmail, disinformation. 980 01:14:31,166 --> 01:14:34,499 - Lf what you say is true... - It all landed on my desk. 981 01:14:34,570 --> 01:14:37,664 - And you believed it? - I did when it was used by Alec Nevin... 982 01:14:38,206 --> 01:14:40,936 ...the future Prime Minister's closest political ally... 983 01:14:41,009 --> 01:14:44,706 ...the principal architect of her victory over Edward Heath. 984 01:14:44,780 --> 01:14:48,079 You're saying that Thatcher was involved in this? 985 01:14:50,452 --> 01:14:53,444 No, but she was the main beneficiary. 986 01:14:55,557 --> 01:15:00,017 The files and documents I got from Ml5 I turned into articles and essays... 987 01:15:00,095 --> 01:15:02,063 ...for selected journalists... 988 01:15:02,331 --> 01:15:04,424 ...and speeches for Alec Nevin. 989 01:15:06,835 --> 01:15:10,532 - Why should I believe you? - Because it's all on the tape. 990 01:15:11,239 --> 01:15:13,707 Why else do you think they tried to get rid of me? 991 01:15:13,809 --> 01:15:16,300 If this comes out, with Nevin's explicit connections... 992 01:15:16,378 --> 01:15:19,313 ...to the Prime Minister, the spotlight falls on Number 10. 993 01:15:19,381 --> 01:15:22,612 - That's why his name is on the list. - What list? 994 01:15:22,985 --> 01:15:25,351 Paul made a list of six names. 995 01:15:28,156 --> 01:15:30,989 - Do you have them with you? - I took them. 996 01:15:31,059 --> 01:15:33,755 Then I suggest you study that list very carefully. 997 01:15:33,829 --> 01:15:36,423 - Why? - Because they are the prime movers... 998 01:15:36,965 --> 01:15:40,731 ...Nevin's ideological counterparts in business, industry, the military. 999 01:15:40,802 --> 01:15:42,770 Together they form the nucleus. 1000 01:15:42,838 --> 01:15:46,774 Their priority was to ruin Labour's chances of winning another general election... 1001 01:15:46,842 --> 01:15:49,436 ...and if necessary, were prepared to go even further. 1002 01:15:49,511 --> 01:15:52,036 You want wrapping up in a blanket. 1003 01:15:52,114 --> 01:15:55,709 Paul knew this. He heard the tape. He had the tape. 1004 01:15:55,784 --> 01:15:58,412 - That's why they murdered him. - I think you're insane. 1005 01:15:58,487 --> 01:15:59,545 I can prove it. 1006 01:15:59,621 --> 01:16:03,148 - Why would he lie? - I don't know: Guilt, pressure... 1007 01:16:05,093 --> 01:16:06,720 ...acute paranoia. 1008 01:16:06,828 --> 01:16:08,989 - I'm as sane as you are. - And I believe him. 1009 01:16:09,064 --> 01:16:11,055 It couldn't happen. 1010 01:16:11,133 --> 01:16:12,464 It did. 1011 01:16:24,513 --> 01:16:26,504 Why didn't you resign? 1012 01:16:30,485 --> 01:16:32,510 I was a career officer. 1013 01:16:33,722 --> 01:16:36,657 One hoped that the situation would change. 1014 01:16:37,793 --> 01:16:40,728 But I also saw what happened to people in a similar position. 1015 01:16:41,196 --> 01:16:42,925 Good men ruined. 1016 01:16:43,065 --> 01:16:44,692 So you went along with it? 1017 01:16:45,267 --> 01:16:46,427 No. 1018 01:16:47,035 --> 01:16:51,233 I asked questions about it. At first, they were very understanding. 1019 01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:55,240 They said I was suffering from stress, mental fatigue, physical exhaustion. 1020 01:16:55,310 --> 01:16:57,540 That I needed a break from Northern Ireland. 1021 01:16:57,612 --> 01:16:59,443 So they sent me to the mainland... 1022 01:16:59,514 --> 01:17:02,847 ...as an instructor to the School of Intelligence. 1023 01:17:05,620 --> 01:17:08,214 In late '77, I was posted back here. 1024 01:17:10,125 --> 01:17:14,061 - How did they find out about this tape? - Because I behaved stupidly. 1025 01:17:14,396 --> 01:17:17,456 Instead of keeping my head down, I had a row about it all. 1026 01:17:17,532 --> 01:17:20,023 Consequently, I was put under close surveillance. 1027 01:17:20,102 --> 01:17:22,764 Mail was opened, phones were tapped. 1028 01:17:22,838 --> 01:17:25,671 They searched my room and found a backup copy of the tape... 1029 01:17:25,741 --> 01:17:27,709 ...stitched in the lining of my beret. 1030 01:17:27,876 --> 01:17:30,606 So I took the original tape and ran. 1031 01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,211 Still running. 1032 01:17:35,016 --> 01:17:37,246 You say you have this tape? 1033 01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:43,155 It's all there: Names, dates. I bugged their meetings. 1034 01:17:43,425 --> 01:17:45,325 I wanted Sullivan to publicize it. 1035 01:17:45,393 --> 01:17:47,884 Being an American citizen and a civil rights lawyer... 1036 01:17:47,963 --> 01:17:49,453 ...I thought he was beyond reach. 1037 01:17:49,531 --> 01:17:51,192 You were wrong. 1038 01:17:53,535 --> 01:17:57,198 I'm afraid media exposure is the only protection I have. 1039 01:17:57,272 --> 01:17:58,796 Do you have it with you? 1040 01:18:01,276 --> 01:18:03,301 I have certain demands. 1041 01:18:03,678 --> 01:18:04,702 What demands? 1042 01:18:04,780 --> 01:18:07,908 When I deliver the tape, I want to be taken into protective custody. 1043 01:18:07,983 --> 01:18:10,850 And I want you, Ms. Jessner, to make it public. 1044 01:18:10,919 --> 01:18:13,012 - Agreed. - I can't do that. 1045 01:18:13,088 --> 01:18:14,453 Why not? 1046 01:18:15,257 --> 01:18:19,193 Because he's not under my authority. He's military personnel. 1047 01:18:19,361 --> 01:18:23,195 You were brought here to investigate Paul Sullivan's death. 1048 01:18:23,265 --> 01:18:25,995 He was murdered because of that tape. 1049 01:18:28,136 --> 01:18:31,105 - Where is it? - Do I have your agreement? 1050 01:18:34,342 --> 01:18:35,536 Yes. 1051 01:18:39,047 --> 01:18:40,378 Dublin. 1052 01:18:40,749 --> 01:18:42,740 The IRA found me a safe house. 1053 01:18:42,818 --> 01:18:45,286 They're hoping I'll come to a prearranged meeting... 1054 01:18:45,353 --> 01:18:47,218 ...and denounce British imperialism. 1055 01:18:47,289 --> 01:18:49,757 - When can we have it? - You'll have to come to Dublin. 1056 01:18:49,825 --> 01:18:51,759 - When? - Day after tomorrow. 1057 01:18:51,827 --> 01:18:53,089 Where? 1058 01:18:55,096 --> 01:18:58,065 - O'Connell Bridge, 11:00 a.m. - We'll be there. 1059 01:19:02,237 --> 01:19:03,864 One last thing. 1060 01:19:04,573 --> 01:19:06,336 Nevin has a man working for him. 1061 01:19:06,474 --> 01:19:09,671 His name is McKee, a former member of the SAS. 1062 01:19:10,779 --> 01:19:13,612 - Look out for him. - What's he look like? 1063 01:19:14,549 --> 01:19:17,712 Big man, tall, bland face, thinning hair. 1064 01:19:18,820 --> 01:19:21,755 He's quite ruthless, capable of anything. 1065 01:19:39,341 --> 01:19:42,868 Am I wrong, Mr. Kerrigan, or is it illegal to kill people... 1066 01:19:42,944 --> 01:19:44,536 ...and try to steal a country? 1067 01:19:44,613 --> 01:19:48,413 Don't assume it happened just because Harris said it did. 1068 01:19:48,750 --> 01:19:51,810 Paul's dead! Molloy's dead! That happened. 1069 01:19:51,887 --> 01:19:54,913 Save your outrage till we've heard the tape. 1070 01:19:59,594 --> 01:20:01,858 - Good evening, love. - Good evening, sir. 1071 01:20:01,930 --> 01:20:02,919 Thank you. 1072 01:20:03,465 --> 01:20:06,593 - Have you seen Mr. Maxwell? - He's in the bar, sir. 1073 01:20:16,278 --> 01:20:19,372 - How'd it go? - It was interesting. 1074 01:20:19,881 --> 01:20:21,314 Did you see Harris? 1075 01:20:21,383 --> 01:20:23,510 Yes. He didn't have the tape. 1076 01:20:24,085 --> 01:20:26,315 You've had a call from Ml5. 1077 01:20:26,588 --> 01:20:28,556 The spook department? 1078 01:20:29,424 --> 01:20:31,654 - Who? - Sir Robert Neil. 1079 01:20:31,893 --> 01:20:36,159 He wants to meet you for lunch tomorrow. He's sending his car at 12:00. 1080 01:20:39,301 --> 01:20:42,202 - Time for a drink? - No. I've had enough. 1081 01:20:43,071 --> 01:20:45,005 You two okay? 1082 01:20:46,107 --> 01:20:48,769 - Yes, thank you, Mr. Kerrigan. - Fine. 1083 01:20:49,844 --> 01:20:52,779 - Mind how you go. - See you in the morning. 1084 01:21:20,108 --> 01:21:23,077 - Good morning, Mr. Kerrigan. - Good morning. 1085 01:21:28,016 --> 01:21:29,711 - Come in, Mr. Kerrigan. - Sir Robert. 1086 01:21:29,784 --> 01:21:31,911 Marvelous day. This way. 1087 01:21:39,194 --> 01:21:40,525 Do you know Alec Nevin? 1088 01:21:41,396 --> 01:21:43,887 No, I don't believe we've met. 1089 01:21:43,965 --> 01:21:46,832 I'm delighted to meet you. I've heard a great deal about you. 1090 01:21:46,901 --> 01:21:48,528 How do you do? 1091 01:21:48,770 --> 01:21:51,796 - Sherry? - No, thank you. 1092 01:22:08,890 --> 01:22:11,450 You've got your coffee, have you? 1093 01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:16,888 So, Mr. Kerrigan, how has your inquiry progressed? 1094 01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,530 Sullivan and Molloy were killed because of a tape. 1095 01:22:21,603 --> 01:22:23,093 What tape? 1096 01:22:23,571 --> 01:22:25,038 According to a Capt. Harris... 1097 01:22:25,106 --> 01:22:27,131 - You've met him? - Last night. 1098 01:22:27,208 --> 01:22:28,607 Go on. 1099 01:22:29,878 --> 01:22:33,006 - Your name surfaced, Mr. Nevin. - Really? 1100 01:22:35,150 --> 01:22:38,779 He claims that he possesses a tape which will prove that you and others... 1101 01:22:38,853 --> 01:22:42,414 ...conspired to destabilize the last Labour government. 1102 01:22:43,858 --> 01:22:46,691 He says he gave a copy of this tape to Paul Sullivan... 1103 01:22:46,761 --> 01:22:49,992 ...hoping he would publicize it, and that's why Sullivan was killed. 1104 01:22:50,398 --> 01:22:55,062 - You've not heard the tape then? - Not yet, but I will. 1105 01:22:55,703 --> 01:22:58,900 - You're seeing Harris again? - I can't tell you. 1106 01:23:00,442 --> 01:23:03,411 Although he was strictly Army, Harris worked for me. 1107 01:23:03,478 --> 01:23:05,503 Yes, I know. 1108 01:23:07,382 --> 01:23:11,546 - He was rather good at what he did. - He was a traitorous bastard. 1109 01:23:11,719 --> 01:23:13,619 When I arrived just now... 1110 01:23:13,688 --> 01:23:17,556 ...there was a man who greeted me at the car: Tall, thinning hair. 1111 01:23:17,625 --> 01:23:20,492 - What about him? - I might want to question him. 1112 01:23:20,595 --> 01:23:23,325 After the tape was taken from Sullivan's body... 1113 01:23:23,398 --> 01:23:26,299 ...the police gave it to someone answering his description. 1114 01:23:26,367 --> 01:23:30,326 I have four witnesses to identify him. Did he give the tape to you? 1115 01:23:30,405 --> 01:23:33,806 - Are you interrogating me? - Are you obstructing me? 1116 01:23:36,144 --> 01:23:40,740 If you let me listen to that tape, I can eliminate Harris from my inquiry. 1117 01:23:41,649 --> 01:23:43,276 You have no choice, Alec. 1118 01:23:44,285 --> 01:23:47,516 Do you remember the disorders of the 1970s... 1119 01:23:48,223 --> 01:23:49,656 ...Mr. Kerrigan? 1120 01:23:49,724 --> 01:23:51,954 The kind of chaos we faced... 1121 01:23:52,327 --> 01:23:54,488 ...strikes, riots... 1122 01:23:55,296 --> 01:23:58,527 ...miners bringing down a Conservative government... 1123 01:23:58,633 --> 01:24:02,865 ...inflation going through the roof, our European creditors... 1124 01:24:02,937 --> 01:24:04,700 ...queuing up to pounce on us? 1125 01:24:05,140 --> 01:24:08,041 How Europe enjoyed our discomfiture. 1126 01:24:09,878 --> 01:24:12,540 Instead of just letting it happen... 1127 01:24:13,815 --> 01:24:17,307 ...a few of us got together to do something about it. 1128 01:24:17,585 --> 01:24:20,383 So there was a conspiracy. 1129 01:24:20,989 --> 01:24:25,619 - My dear chap, politics is a conspiracy. - The point is, our paths converge. 1130 01:24:25,693 --> 01:24:28,389 - In what way? - We both serve the state. 1131 01:24:28,463 --> 01:24:31,159 No, I defend the state. 1132 01:24:31,866 --> 01:24:33,561 You subvert it. 1133 01:24:33,635 --> 01:24:36,695 All right, let's be frank with one another. 1134 01:24:37,338 --> 01:24:42,037 Illegal methods were used in an attempt to bring down the Labour government. 1135 01:24:42,177 --> 01:24:44,441 But that's all in the past. 1136 01:24:44,579 --> 01:24:47,639 Do you think by scrutinizing mistakes made... 1137 01:24:47,715 --> 01:24:51,014 ...you'll help restore respect for law and order? 1138 01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,655 Don't play hide and seek with reality, Mr. Kerrigan. 1139 01:24:56,357 --> 01:24:59,986 If you want to see the release of that tape, and its contents made public... 1140 01:25:00,261 --> 01:25:01,751 ...go right ahead. 1141 01:25:01,829 --> 01:25:04,059 But first, consider the consequences. 1142 01:25:04,566 --> 01:25:07,296 Every agitator, every intellectual... 1143 01:25:07,368 --> 01:25:10,769 ...every bleeding-heart liberal with his rhetoric about civil rights... 1144 01:25:10,838 --> 01:25:12,567 ...will seize on it. 1145 01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,234 Now, you say you defend the state. 1146 01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:16,968 So do I. 1147 01:25:17,579 --> 01:25:20,912 But Parliament and its institutions are the state. 1148 01:25:21,082 --> 01:25:23,949 And anything that threatens the government... 1149 01:25:24,319 --> 01:25:27,755 ...the rule of law, the credibility of Parliament... 1150 01:25:28,022 --> 01:25:30,286 ...is a threat to the state. 1151 01:25:30,992 --> 01:25:33,426 Leave well alone, Mr. Kerrigan. 1152 01:25:33,561 --> 01:25:36,860 Let the historians discover it in 50 years' time. 1153 01:25:38,233 --> 01:25:41,566 - Our duty is to protect Number 10. - It wouldn't be published anyway. 1154 01:25:41,636 --> 01:25:44,503 Strictly speaking, it's none of your concern. 1155 01:25:44,572 --> 01:25:47,063 It's an intelligence matter, outside your jurisdiction. 1156 01:25:47,141 --> 01:25:49,234 - I don't accept that. - Accept this... 1157 01:25:49,310 --> 01:25:52,802 What Alec and the others did eight years ago was terribly wrong. 1158 01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:56,111 It wasn't just terribly wrong. It was criminal. 1159 01:25:56,184 --> 01:25:58,744 It was wrong for the right reasons. 1160 01:25:58,820 --> 01:26:02,221 These were, and still are, honorable men. 1161 01:26:02,290 --> 01:26:05,259 - They broke the law. - We've agreed on that. 1162 01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,456 But tell me, as a professional policeman... 1163 01:26:08,529 --> 01:26:12,693 ...don't you find that hardened criminals often benefit from the restraints... 1164 01:26:12,767 --> 01:26:15,395 ...imposed on the police by the courts? 1165 01:26:15,470 --> 01:26:16,801 Absolutely, yes. 1166 01:26:16,871 --> 01:26:21,672 And when, to secure a conviction, the police remove those constraints... 1167 01:26:22,076 --> 01:26:25,341 ...when, for example, they illegally tap a phone... 1168 01:26:25,413 --> 01:26:29,975 ...to apprehend political terrorists whose aim is to overthrow democracy... 1169 01:26:31,085 --> 01:26:33,110 ...is this ever justified? 1170 01:26:33,788 --> 01:26:35,779 It depends on the circumstances. 1171 01:26:36,224 --> 01:26:38,317 Let's be more specific. 1172 01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,888 In 1974, the IRA blew up a Birmingham pub. 1173 01:26:42,497 --> 01:26:46,263 21 young people were killed. 162 were injured. 1174 01:26:47,235 --> 01:26:51,695 The police, your colleagues, arrested six Irishmen. 1175 01:26:52,974 --> 01:26:56,102 They were subjected to what is euphemistically referred to... 1176 01:26:56,177 --> 01:26:57,974 ...as "in-depth interrogation." 1177 01:26:58,413 --> 01:27:00,711 They kicked the hell out of the murdering swine. 1178 01:27:00,782 --> 01:27:04,218 - And obtained a confession. - Which held up in court. 1179 01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:06,550 Was that justified? 1180 01:27:06,821 --> 01:27:09,585 If they did that, then they were out of order. 1181 01:27:09,657 --> 01:27:11,522 Tell that to the people of Birmingham. 1182 01:27:11,592 --> 01:27:13,457 The point I'm trying to make... 1183 01:27:13,528 --> 01:27:16,895 I understand the point you're trying to make, Sir Robert. 1184 01:27:16,964 --> 01:27:20,730 That to maintain the system, the abuse of power is sometimes necessary. 1185 01:27:20,868 --> 01:27:22,062 Yes. 1186 01:27:22,503 --> 01:27:26,439 It allows us to enjoy the freedom of living in a free society. 1187 01:27:27,508 --> 01:27:30,341 A price the public are prepared to pay. 1188 01:27:30,912 --> 01:27:33,142 That's a dangerous concept. 1189 01:27:33,348 --> 01:27:35,316 But a realistic one. 1190 01:27:38,386 --> 01:27:40,650 You're forgetting one thing. 1191 01:27:40,722 --> 01:27:43,213 What's to stop Harris from making copies of the tape? 1192 01:27:43,291 --> 01:27:48,024 Nothing at all, except without Harris, there's no authenticity, no documentation. 1193 01:27:48,096 --> 01:27:51,156 Everyone would think it was an IRA fake. 1194 01:27:52,934 --> 01:27:54,595 And my investigation? 1195 01:27:55,570 --> 01:27:59,233 I have a solution that is both effective and acceptable. 1196 01:27:59,674 --> 01:28:02,734 You have the culprits that did the shooting. 1197 01:28:03,411 --> 01:28:04,878 Nail them. 1198 01:28:13,554 --> 01:28:15,818 It really is a gorgeous day. 1199 01:28:16,624 --> 01:28:20,458 You know, Ireland would be a lovely place if it wasn't for the Irish. 1200 01:28:24,599 --> 01:28:27,500 Was Ms. Jessner with you when you met Harris? 1201 01:28:27,735 --> 01:28:28,793 Yes. 1202 01:28:29,337 --> 01:28:32,238 I wonder why Harris chose Paul Sullivan. 1203 01:28:34,876 --> 01:28:38,277 Did you know, before she met him, she lived with a Communist? 1204 01:28:38,346 --> 01:28:40,974 - No, I didn't. - It was all rather sad. 1205 01:28:41,048 --> 01:28:43,539 A Chilean. She had an abortion. 1206 01:28:46,554 --> 01:28:49,318 There is something I want to show you. 1207 01:28:54,595 --> 01:28:56,961 Not very pleasant, I'm afraid. 1208 01:29:02,670 --> 01:29:06,367 Liam Philbin. Served seven years in H-Block. 1209 01:29:06,841 --> 01:29:09,366 Suspected of murdering two policemen. 1210 01:29:10,445 --> 01:29:13,608 That's you making a contribution to IRA funds... 1211 01:29:13,681 --> 01:29:15,876 ...unintentionally, of course. 1212 01:29:18,319 --> 01:29:20,583 These make my stomach turn. 1213 01:29:23,991 --> 01:29:27,552 Alec wanted to turn them over to his newspaper friends. 1214 01:29:27,662 --> 01:29:29,755 I persuaded him not to. 1215 01:29:30,264 --> 01:29:33,290 Apart from the damage it could do to your career... 1216 01:29:34,368 --> 01:29:37,132 I'm a family man myself, Mr. Kerrigan. 1217 01:29:37,839 --> 01:29:41,798 I know the harm this sort of thing can do to a happy marriage. 1218 01:29:42,810 --> 01:29:44,277 Take them. 1219 01:29:44,779 --> 01:29:46,178 Who keeps the negatives? 1220 01:29:47,248 --> 01:29:49,011 Alec keeps them. 1221 01:29:52,353 --> 01:29:53,752 Fuck you. 1222 01:29:57,225 --> 01:29:59,716 First, they threw the book at me. 1223 01:30:00,127 --> 01:30:01,924 Not in the national interest. 1224 01:30:01,996 --> 01:30:03,657 Violation of security. 1225 01:30:04,065 --> 01:30:05,259 Then... 1226 01:30:07,268 --> 01:30:10,601 ...this infantile, laughable comic-book stuff. 1227 01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,440 Don't underestimate it, Peter. 1228 01:30:17,111 --> 01:30:21,514 I've been a policeman for 26 years. I've never met anything like this. 1229 01:30:25,086 --> 01:30:27,782 If you go to Dublin, see him, get the tape. 1230 01:30:27,855 --> 01:30:30,323 Neil would argue it was used for intelligence... 1231 01:30:30,391 --> 01:30:34,157 ...and that it couldn't be admitted in court as evidence. 1232 01:30:35,696 --> 01:30:37,857 So what are we left with? 1233 01:30:37,932 --> 01:30:38,990 The shooting. 1234 01:30:39,066 --> 01:30:41,193 Which is flameproof. We have the statements... 1235 01:30:41,269 --> 01:30:43,499 Which we can make stick... 1236 01:30:44,205 --> 01:30:47,106 ...provided we make no references to the tape. 1237 01:30:47,174 --> 01:30:49,404 Concession offered by Neil. 1238 01:30:53,781 --> 01:30:55,078 Jesus. 1239 01:30:56,484 --> 01:30:58,509 What does that make me? 1240 01:31:00,688 --> 01:31:03,680 I came here as the cop that couldn't be bought. 1241 01:31:03,758 --> 01:31:07,455 - Nobody bought you. - I've been manipulated from day one... 1242 01:31:08,396 --> 01:31:10,489 ...put through the hoop. 1243 01:31:16,704 --> 01:31:20,663 What happens if I choose to take this to the limit... 1244 01:31:23,277 --> 01:31:25,268 ...to the powers that be? 1245 01:31:26,547 --> 01:31:28,674 What support would I get? 1246 01:31:30,151 --> 01:31:31,618 Too risky. 1247 01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:35,517 You blow the whistle, when the shouting stopped... 1248 01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:38,115 ...they reach an accommodation... 1249 01:31:38,225 --> 01:31:40,090 ...you're finished. 1250 01:31:41,829 --> 01:31:44,354 You know, Tom, I think I am naive. 1251 01:31:45,032 --> 01:31:46,021 I've always believed... 1252 01:31:46,100 --> 01:31:49,001 ...that given half a chance, the system would work. 1253 01:31:49,070 --> 01:31:51,800 Look, we've got the men who did the shooting. 1254 01:31:51,872 --> 01:31:54,432 - Everything I've stood for... - Our job's done. 1255 01:31:54,542 --> 01:31:55,702 No. 1256 01:31:56,744 --> 01:31:58,609 That's unacceptable. 1257 01:32:00,381 --> 01:32:03,748 I walk away from this, it's a lifetime wasted. 1258 01:32:06,187 --> 01:32:07,552 They want this thing buried... 1259 01:32:07,622 --> 01:32:10,182 ...and if necessary, they will bury you alongside it. 1260 01:32:10,257 --> 01:32:13,385 - But there was a conspiracy. - What proof have we got? 1261 01:32:13,461 --> 01:32:15,986 - Neil admitted it. - He'll deny it. 1262 01:32:16,530 --> 01:32:19,363 That conversation never took place. 1263 01:32:22,770 --> 01:32:25,102 Turn your back on this, Peter. 1264 01:32:29,744 --> 01:32:32,679 What about Ingrid Jessner? What about her? 1265 01:32:32,847 --> 01:32:34,610 Not your problem. 1266 01:32:35,349 --> 01:32:39,115 This is all politics. We have the men that did the shooting. 1267 01:32:39,186 --> 01:32:41,450 Are you willing to settle for that? 1268 01:32:41,522 --> 01:32:43,387 What else is there? 1269 01:32:44,125 --> 01:32:45,558 And if I persist? 1270 01:32:46,661 --> 01:32:49,323 Then you're on a hiding to nothing. 1271 01:32:50,765 --> 01:32:52,426 What about you? 1272 01:32:53,634 --> 01:32:56,228 - I'm a career policeman. - So was I. 1273 01:33:00,841 --> 01:33:02,638 I'm sorry, Peter. 1274 01:33:02,910 --> 01:33:06,141 I'm not prepared to risk my future, not in this. 1275 01:33:10,584 --> 01:33:12,108 Thanks, Tom. 1276 01:33:13,387 --> 01:33:15,651 You've just proved my point. 1277 01:34:17,618 --> 01:34:20,610 Listen, if a Mr. Kerrigan calls, will you tell him I've left? 1278 01:34:20,688 --> 01:34:22,781 - Yes, certainly. - Thanks. 1279 01:34:23,190 --> 01:34:25,988 Ms. Jessner? I'm Mr. Kerrigan's secretary. 1280 01:34:26,060 --> 01:34:28,392 He asked me to give you that. 1281 01:34:43,210 --> 01:34:44,734 Any message? 1282 01:34:45,279 --> 01:34:48,339 - When's his flight? - Mid-afternoon, I expect. 1283 01:34:50,017 --> 01:34:51,348 Thanks. 1284 01:35:07,802 --> 01:35:09,667 Echo 1 to Control. 1285 01:35:10,037 --> 01:35:13,234 - Go ahead, Echo 1. - We're on the Dublin Road. 1286 01:35:14,675 --> 01:35:16,768 Are the others in place? 1287 01:35:18,145 --> 01:35:19,339 Yes. 1288 01:35:19,914 --> 01:35:21,905 Signing off now, Control. 1289 01:35:22,783 --> 01:35:25,684 Give it another minute, then overtake her quite quickly. 1290 01:35:25,753 --> 01:35:27,983 I want to get ahead of her. 1291 01:35:41,669 --> 01:35:43,227 Come in, Echo 2. 1292 01:35:43,604 --> 01:35:44,764 Echo 2. 1293 01:35:45,472 --> 01:35:49,909 - Is everything all right, Echo 2? - Yes, she's about 200 yards in front of me. 1294 01:35:49,977 --> 01:35:52,946 In a little while you'll see a petrol station on your left. 1295 01:35:53,013 --> 01:35:55,948 You pull in, and I'll take up the follow. 1296 01:36:45,499 --> 01:36:46,989 Echo 2... 1297 01:36:47,701 --> 01:36:49,259 ...she's making for the bridge. 1298 01:36:49,336 --> 01:36:51,361 I'm having trouble gettin' through this lot. 1299 01:36:51,438 --> 01:36:52,928 Bang your fucking horn, man! 1300 01:37:17,331 --> 01:37:19,026 - Where's Kerrigan? - I don't know. 1301 01:37:19,099 --> 01:37:21,693 - That's no answer. - I know, I don't know where he is. 1302 01:37:21,769 --> 01:37:23,259 Let's walk. 1303 01:37:26,273 --> 01:37:29,265 - You'll see that it's published? - I'll try. 1304 01:37:31,946 --> 01:37:33,743 Don't let me down. 1305 01:37:34,515 --> 01:37:35,914 Trust me. 1306 01:37:36,183 --> 01:37:37,172 I do. 1307 01:38:24,231 --> 01:38:25,858 Where to, love? 1308 01:38:27,601 --> 01:38:30,297 - I have to hire a car. - You want a car-hire place? 1309 01:38:30,371 --> 01:38:32,703 - Yeah. - Which one in particular do you want? 1310 01:38:32,773 --> 01:38:35,867 - Any one in particular? - No. It doesn't matter. You decide. 1311 01:38:35,943 --> 01:38:39,470 Do you want an expensive car or a cheap car? 1312 01:38:39,546 --> 01:38:41,036 It doesn't matter. I don't care. 1313 01:38:41,115 --> 01:38:44,448 Look, I've had Americans before. I just want to know what type car... 1314 01:38:44,518 --> 01:38:45,576 Just go. 1315 01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:47,651 It doesn't matter! Just go! 1316 01:38:47,721 --> 01:38:50,451 Okay. There's a friend of mine over at one place. 1317 01:38:50,524 --> 01:38:52,788 - Fine. - I'll bring you there, will I? 1318 01:38:52,860 --> 01:38:53,986 Fine. Great. 1319 01:39:06,006 --> 01:39:08,668 What you will hear on this tape is a conversation... 1320 01:39:08,742 --> 01:39:11,233 ... which took place at the home of Mr. Alec Nevin. 1321 01:39:11,311 --> 01:39:14,041 Its purpose was to establish a Conservative government... 1322 01:39:14,114 --> 01:39:17,379 ... with a right-wing leadership. I had shown support... 1323 01:39:17,451 --> 01:39:19,919 ... and therefore was invited to attend the meeting. 1324 01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:23,146 I wore a recording device activated by voice. 1325 01:39:25,225 --> 01:39:28,683 Letting people off the leash a bit, in that direction... 1326 01:39:29,363 --> 01:39:33,060 ... the military and our friends in the intelligence community... 1327 01:39:33,133 --> 01:39:37,433 ... is really enhancing the case for quite dramatic... 1328 01:39:37,504 --> 01:39:40,701 ... constitutional resolution of this crisis... 1329 01:39:40,774 --> 01:39:42,969 Indeed. Don't underestimate the flexibility... 1330 01:39:43,043 --> 01:39:46,945 We need to pressure the Palace into giving legitimacy to what we need to do. 1331 01:39:47,014 --> 01:39:49,744 Indeed. You underestimate, we all underestimate... 1332 01:39:49,817 --> 01:39:54,277 ... the flexibility of this constitution of ours. We can do almost anything. 1333 01:39:54,621 --> 01:39:57,249 What are his weaknesses? 1334 01:39:57,925 --> 01:40:00,223 What can we have circulated? 1335 01:40:01,328 --> 01:40:04,525 And what rumors can we make stick? 1336 01:40:04,832 --> 01:40:08,791 We all know about Heath. We all know what we think about him. 1337 01:40:08,869 --> 01:40:12,805 We should look to 5 to... 1338 01:40:13,607 --> 01:40:15,040 ... assist in this matter. 1339 01:40:16,076 --> 01:40:19,102 Can you try Ms. Jessner's room again, please? 1340 01:40:23,317 --> 01:40:25,182 Have you paged her? 1341 01:40:27,054 --> 01:40:29,454 No. No message. Thanks. 1342 01:40:30,824 --> 01:40:33,691 - I don't suppose we'll be needing this? - What's that? 1343 01:40:33,861 --> 01:40:37,353 It's the dossier you asked me to prepare on those six names. 1344 01:40:37,431 --> 01:40:38,762 Thanks. 1345 01:40:40,334 --> 01:40:41,801 Insurance. 1346 01:40:42,169 --> 01:40:46,071 - Shall I take the luggage down now, sir? - Please do. 1347 01:41:00,921 --> 01:41:02,821 It isn't your fault. 1348 01:41:05,492 --> 01:41:07,687 They must have followed her. 1349 01:41:09,363 --> 01:41:12,332 I'll pick up the rest of this stuff later. 1350 01:41:14,001 --> 01:41:17,129 - You know about Harris? - I heard on the radio. 1351 01:41:17,738 --> 01:41:20,400 They kneecapped him, then they blew half his head away. 1352 01:41:20,474 --> 01:41:22,203 Typical IRA execution. 1353 01:41:28,248 --> 01:41:30,341 - What about Ingrid Jessner? - What about her? 1354 01:41:30,417 --> 01:41:32,510 - You know, if this thing leaks out... - It won't. 1355 01:41:32,586 --> 01:41:34,486 A crime has been committed. 1356 01:41:35,489 --> 01:41:38,322 - What crime is that? - I'm not just talkin' about Harris. 1357 01:41:38,392 --> 01:41:40,860 Everything is covered by the Official Secrets Act. 1358 01:41:41,028 --> 01:41:45,590 - God, you people live in the Dark Ages. - And what about you? Listen... 1359 01:41:45,966 --> 01:41:48,434 You and I are cut from the same cloth. 1360 01:41:48,502 --> 01:41:50,834 I am what I have to be, but you? 1361 01:41:51,104 --> 01:41:55,040 You're no better. Like me, you observe rule Number 1. 1362 01:41:55,108 --> 01:41:57,133 Keep your balls intact. 1363 01:41:57,878 --> 01:42:01,712 Have a good flight. And don't forget to send me that report. 1364 01:42:01,949 --> 01:42:03,416 Okey-doke? 1365 01:42:04,918 --> 01:42:07,978 We need to get some agent provocateurs into these... 1366 01:42:08,055 --> 01:42:11,582 ... strikes that are taking place, local government strikes... 1367 01:42:11,658 --> 01:42:13,956 ... to cause a lot of unpleasantness and disruption. 1368 01:42:14,027 --> 01:42:17,258 We need that to run through until the election and give it a shot. 1369 01:42:17,798 --> 01:42:20,665 The question is, can we rely upon democracy? 1370 01:42:21,034 --> 01:42:23,935 - Just my opinion, but... - With a little push here and there. 1371 01:42:24,004 --> 01:42:27,235 Well, I agree with the little push. 1372 01:42:27,307 --> 01:42:30,765 I agree that is the point, in a way, why we're here, isn't it? 1373 01:42:30,844 --> 01:42:35,372 If there's a run on the pound, that's fine. If there's a lot of stuff circulating about... 1374 01:42:35,449 --> 01:42:39,180 ... Wilson and Moscow, which we all know to be the case... 1375 01:42:39,253 --> 01:42:42,120 ... I think Wilson's somebody we should home in very much on. 1376 01:42:42,189 --> 01:42:44,817 A lot of stuff should be circulated about Wilson. 1377 01:42:51,598 --> 01:42:53,122 Ms. Jessner. 1378 01:42:54,635 --> 01:42:56,500 She hasn't seen us. 1379 01:42:58,438 --> 01:42:59,871 Wait here. 1380 01:43:03,543 --> 01:43:04,567 What are you doing here? 1381 01:43:04,645 --> 01:43:06,203 - Where were you? - Did you get my note? 1382 01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:08,612 - Why did you change your mind? - There are reasons. 1383 01:43:08,682 --> 01:43:11,617 - Tell me. - I don't have to. I'm sorry. 1384 01:43:13,353 --> 01:43:15,321 What about Mr. Nevin? 1385 01:43:15,522 --> 01:43:16,921 What about Harris? 1386 01:43:16,990 --> 01:43:18,651 Harris is dead. 1387 01:43:18,992 --> 01:43:20,721 They're blaming the IRA. 1388 01:43:20,794 --> 01:43:22,591 - But it was them! - Please. 1389 01:43:22,663 --> 01:43:25,894 - I saw it happen! - Please, keep your voice down. 1390 01:43:28,035 --> 01:43:30,435 - I told you not to go. - You told me a lot of things... 1391 01:43:30,504 --> 01:43:32,938 - Did you speak to Harris? - Yes. 1392 01:43:33,507 --> 01:43:36,943 - Did you tell them we were meeting? - Of course not. You were followed! 1393 01:43:37,177 --> 01:43:39,702 But you did talk to them. Why? 1394 01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,708 - Did he give you the tape? - You're not gonna... 1395 01:43:42,783 --> 01:43:46,275 - Are you going to do anything about this? - There's nothing I can do. 1396 01:43:46,353 --> 01:43:48,344 They've committed murder and treason. 1397 01:43:48,422 --> 01:43:50,947 At 11:00 this morning, a man was assassinated... 1398 01:43:51,024 --> 01:43:54,323 ...by orders of British Intelligence, and you can do nothing! 1399 01:43:54,428 --> 01:43:55,452 I wish I could. 1400 01:43:56,029 --> 01:44:00,329 This is a final call for flight BTH-9 to London, Heathrow. 1401 01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:02,095 You have connections I don't have. 1402 01:44:02,169 --> 01:44:04,967 Your reputation brought you here. People will listen to you. 1403 01:44:05,038 --> 01:44:07,768 With you as my witness? A civil-liberties group member... 1404 01:44:07,841 --> 01:44:10,901 ...accusing the British government of torture and shoot-to-kill? 1405 01:44:10,977 --> 01:44:15,778 "I don't care whose toes I tread on." That's what you said, and I believed it. 1406 01:44:16,483 --> 01:44:19,179 - Look, I have to go. - Go. 1407 01:44:19,252 --> 01:44:21,152 - I'm a policeman. - Yes, you are. 1408 01:44:21,421 --> 01:44:23,912 The men responsible for Paul's death will be charged. 1409 01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:28,154 - To know and do nothing, close your eyes. - You can't win against these people. 1410 01:44:28,228 --> 01:44:30,162 Forget it. Go home. 1411 01:44:30,230 --> 01:44:32,357 That's how fascism starts. 1412 01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:35,960 What do you think of your fine British law now? 1413 01:44:36,036 --> 01:44:37,469 This has nothing to do with law. 1414 01:44:37,537 --> 01:44:40,062 - What is it then? - It's politics. 1415 01:44:41,541 --> 01:44:44,772 To enforce the rules of a police state is politics. 1416 01:44:44,845 --> 01:44:47,405 Good guys like you cover it up so bad guys are safe. 1417 01:44:47,481 --> 01:44:50,279 You're a puppet, and the men pulling the strings know it. 1418 01:44:51,251 --> 01:44:53,048 Did he give you the tape? 1419 01:44:53,487 --> 01:44:55,717 - No. - What are you gonna do? 1420 01:44:57,357 --> 01:44:59,484 Tell people, newspapers. 1421 01:45:00,394 --> 01:45:02,385 - They won't print it. - We'll see. 1422 01:45:05,632 --> 01:45:07,429 Go back to America. 1423 01:45:07,934 --> 01:45:10,903 Get out of Belfast. You're in danger here. 1424 01:45:13,306 --> 01:45:15,866 Ingrid, it's finished. 1425 01:45:17,511 --> 01:45:21,003 Not for them, it isn't. Not for Nevin and the others. 1426 01:45:22,282 --> 01:45:25,877 They're not going to disappear. They're still in place. 1427 01:45:31,591 --> 01:45:33,923 You have a plane to catch, Mr. Kerrigan. 1428 01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,009 What? Yes. 1429 01:45:56,009 --> 01:46:06,009 Downloaded From www.AllSubs.org 118034

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