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[Reporter] The BBC understands
that a former Russian spy
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is in a critical condition
in hospital in wiltshire.
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They were severely critically
ill, developing multi-organ failure.
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It's such a crazy kinda
story, it's almost unbelievable.
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[Man] I knew it was novichok,
a military-grade nerve agent.
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Even tiny amounts can kill
tens of thousands of people.
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[Sirens wailing]
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This is being treated as a major
incident involving attempted murder
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via a nerve agent.
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She was staring at nothing
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and foaming at the mouth.
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The first time in a century
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a chemical weapon had
been used in Western Europe.
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"It's only a matter of time
before I slip into a coma and die."
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[Theresa may] It is now clear
Mr. Skripal and his daughter
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were poisoned with a
military-grade nerve agent
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of the type developed by Russia.
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There was absolutely no
doubt that this is an operation
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controlled by Vladimir putin
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through Russian
military intelligence.
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The intent is to kill people.
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I've been caught up in an
international assassination attempt.
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The substance could potentially
be anywhere in the city.
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It was as though a bomb had
gone off on the streets of Salisbury.
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Ordinary people caught in
absolutely extraordinary circumstances.
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He's like, "I've literally
poisoned my girlfriend."
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You know?
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"Unknowingly, I've
killed me girlfriend."
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[Man] People would come from
far and wide to Salisbury to visit.
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It's always had a very nice
kind of feel and atmosphere.
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Such a small city.
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I was just a normal guy,
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a normal police
officer doing his job
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before march the
4th, 2018 happened.
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And it changed my life forever.
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My name is Nick Bailey.
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I was a detective sergeant
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in the criminal investigation
department in Salisbury.
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I was at my desk in
bourne hill police station.
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I just remember
hearing a call on the radio
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about two people that were found
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in the maltings, in the city.
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It's a stone's throw,
effectively, from the cathedral.
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They were unconscious
and slumped on a park bench,
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heavily salivating.
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[Woman] The air
ambulance had been spotted
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over Salisbury city center.
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And as I was heading
home that way,
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I said I would go
and investigate it.
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My name is Rebecca Hudson
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and I was a trainee reporter
at the Salisbury journal.
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There was a police cordon.
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They said that it was a couple who had
suffered some sort of drug-related incident
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and been taken to
hospital as a result.
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We didn't know anything about
what condition they were in.
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But to have that police cordon
seemed bizarre at the time,
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and it sparked a lot
of curiosity, I think.
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On the bench over there
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there was a man being
sick on the floor, leant over,
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and a woman lying on the floor.
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She was sort of leant in on him,
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it looked like she'd
passed out maybe.
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He was doing some
strange hand movements,
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looking up to the sky.
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Nobody knew what was going on,
we didn't know what had happened,
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we didn't know if a
crime had taken place.
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Maybe they'd been contaminated
or poisoned with something.
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It could have been
a drugs overdose.
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Didn't really know
why they were that ill.
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One of the police officers
said, "you might want to stay
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because something
interesting is going to happen."
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And when the fire crews arrived,
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a couple of them immediately
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started to put their
chemical Hazmat suits on.
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It looked like they were
swabbing the bench.
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And then we realized they
were cleaning something up,
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someone at the scene
had said it was vomit,
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and began a fairly
lengthy process of bagging
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and double-bagging and
triple-bagging this vomit up,
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and then put it inside
a metal container.
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I just didn't know why they
were taking so many precautions.
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There was no
explanation at the time.
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My uniformed colleagues
had found a driver's license,
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and on the driver's license it
said the name Sergei skripal
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and gave a local
Salisbury address.
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One of my team googled
Sergei skripal's name.
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I remember vividly him saying, "sarge,
you're gonna need to come and see this."
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And I walked over and looked
over his shoulder at the computer,
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and it was a picture
of Sergei skripal,
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and it was a newspaper headline.
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And it basically said that
he was a former Russian spy
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who'd been released as part of
some kind of international spy swap.
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That information
changed everything.
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He was deemed to
be a traitor to Russia.
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The biggest spy swap
since the cold war.
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[Reporter 1] Two planes, one
from america and one from Russia,
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met on the tarmac.
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[Reporter 2] The four men who
were released from Russian prisons
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had all been convicted of handling
highly classified information.
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[Speaking Russian]
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[Speaking Russian]
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[Dramatic music]
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[Nick] Sergei skripal was
not just a Russian spy,
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but a former double
agent working for MI6.
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He chose Salisbury, or
MI6 chose Salisbury for him.
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It is amazing that he'd gone
from being behind bars in Russia
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to suddenly being here,
in little old Salisbury.
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[Man] That is the first
time that I become aware
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that we've got a Russian spy
who was actually living in Salisbury.
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I'm Paul mills, I'm the deputy
chief constable of wiltshire police.
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The Salisbury
poisonings, without doubt,
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was the most complex, challenging policing
incident I've ever been involved in.
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[Man over radio] Approaching
christie Miller road.
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[Mills] After the
incident on the Sunday,
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we've got three officers that we decide
will go into Mr. Skripal's home address
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to look to see whether
there's any information or clues
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which would indicate
actually how they'd become ill.
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[Man over radio] They've
obtained key from the neighbor.
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[Rebecca] As a girl in her
early 20s in Salisbury at the time,
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I never in my wildest dreams
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thought I would
be writing headlines
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that were referencing
a spy living in Salisbury.
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To find out that there was a
spy living in christie Miller road,
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which was a road I'd walked past
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on my way to and
from school even,
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was bizarre, I couldn't
make any sense of it.
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We had to borrow
suits from the fire station,
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latex gloves, goggles and masks,
like, kind of breathing masks.
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We had to protect
the scene from us.
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We got kitted up on the
driveway of the house.
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So I unlocked the front door
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and undid the handle and
walked into Sergei skripal's house.
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I did think,
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"why is a former Russian
spy living in Salisbury?
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And how did we not
know that he was there?"
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Surely we should
have been made aware.
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By all accounts, no one knew.
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There was nothing
obvious in the house
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that would give us
any more of an idea
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as to why they were in
critical condition in hospital.
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I went home after
a 15-16 hour shift.
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I think I left the police station
at about half six in the morning.
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And I remember feeling
a bit kind of sweaty,
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my forehead was sweaty,
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which I put down
to just kind of...
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[Chuckles bitterly]
Stress and exhaustion.
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And I remember, as well,
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my pupils were quite small.
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But I didn't think
anything more of it.
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[Radio] A man and a woman
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are in hospital after an
incident in the maltings
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in Salisbury
yesterday afternoon.
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Firefighters were also called to
assist with a hazardous material.
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[Man] Salisbury's fairly sleepy.
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Who would have thought
someone had a spy living next door.
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My name is James haslam,
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I'm a consultant in anesthesia
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and intensive care
medicine here in Salisbury.
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I remember coming into
work on the Monday morning,
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was about to take over
the icu for the week.
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I'd heard that there'd been two
patients admitted the previous afternoon.
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There was an older
gentleman and a younger lady.
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They were getting
sicker and sicker.
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[Woman] In terms
of the symptoms,
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in the first 24-48 hours,
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it was a bit of a mystery
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why they were
with us in hospital.
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Whether that was an overdose,
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whether it was an
accidental poisoning,
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what had caused this?
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They were critically ill,
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they were requiring
full life support.
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[Dr. Haslam] In the handover, the working
diagnosis was opioid poisoning or toxicity.
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And I just, in my gut, I felt
like that wasn't quite right.
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They were
severely, critically ill,
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developing multi-organ failure.
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I thought, at that stage, it was likely
to have been an assassination attempt.
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And then your mind starts
spiraling as to what that means.
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I spent most of the night
on the Internet, researching.
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[Man] I got a phone
call from a doctor saying,
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"there has been an incident
in Salisbury, it's really bizarre.
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We think it might be some
sort of chemical incident.
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We're really unsure
what it is, so stand by.
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We might need some advice."
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My name is Hamish
De bretton-Gordon,
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I commanded the cbrn regiment,
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chemical, biological,
radiological and nuclear,
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for the UK and for NATO.
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When I saw the first pictures
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of Sergei skripal on the bench,
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almost frozen,
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it looked like this is
probably a nerve agent.
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And that's when the
alarm bells started ringing.
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[Heart monitors beeping]
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[Dr. Haslam] There was a real
sense of threat from this substance,
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which we didn't know much about.
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What we had to do was
kind of formulate a recipe
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of drugs that would
keep them alive
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and hopefully give
them time to get better.
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I was concerned
about these patients,
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I was worried that
they were gonna die.
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I was stunned.
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I mean, I'd dealt with biological
weapons attacks by al-qaeda,
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in both Iraq and Afghanistan,
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I had personally experienced
a chemical attack in Syria.
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One of the shocking
things was, you know,
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this is right on our doorstep,
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my family were in
Salisbury at the time.
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I rang my wife,
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"guys, you need to be careful.
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You're gonna hear pretty soon,
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this is gonna go
stratospheric in the media,
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there's a chemical
attack in Salisbury,
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there's something pretty
horrendous out there,
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we don't know what it is.
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I'd suggest you
stay out of the place."
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[Rebecca] The motto
for thesalisbury journal
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was "the heartbeat
of your community."
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You're just covering the small, often
fun stories that people love to read
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but that don't hold a
huge deal of news value.
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A cow that gave
birth to triplets,
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a cat that was stuck
under the bonnet of a car.
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This is the picture that our
photographer took at the scene,
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which then was used
all throughout the world.
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Given the level of secrecy,
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I was very proud
that we got this picture
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because there was
nobody else there
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who was documenting
what had happened.
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That picture was the beginning
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of Salisbury being known for an
international nerve agent attack
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on a Russian double agent.
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The biggest story
that I would ever cover,
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and I think that
Salisbury would ever see.
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[Nick] That Monday
morning I wasn't due to work.
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Three o'clock in the afternoon
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I was woken by a
phone call from work
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asking me some questions
about the events of the night before.
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I was a little bit anxious
about how I was feeling.
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I just didn't feel good at all.
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The start of a
migraine... I don't know.
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And at that point, I just put it
down to, I must be... just exhaustion.
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My wife and two
girls were at home
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and I said, "why I've
been at work for so long?
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Because we're dealing with
something that is potentially quite big,
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but we don't know a lot yet,
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but it's very strange,
it's very quite sinister."
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The BBC understands
that a former Russian spy
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is in a critical condition
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in hospital in wiltshire
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along with a
woman in her thirties.
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A major incident was declared
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and decontamination
teams were called
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into the local hospital
and part of the city.
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[Woman] "Is this some
kind of toxic poisoning?
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How many people could
potentially be at risk of harm?"
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To me was the thing that
was keeping me awake at night.
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My name is Tracy daszkiewicz.
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I was director of public
health for the wiltshire council
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during the time of the
Salisbury poisonings.
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"Was it an
assassination attempt?"
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Those sorts of
questions start to emerge.
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That's a really
horrible feeling,
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that something like that
can happen in peace time
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in a place like Salisbury.
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The information
that was disclosed,
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I wasn't able to share
that with anybody.
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A nerve agent is
a chemical weapon
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developed by the Nazis.
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One molecule of this
stuff is enough to kill you.
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The challenge then is to
work out where it could be.
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[Tracy] The imagination
then breeds fear and anxiety.
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In those early days,
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it could've easily been full
scale of fatalities and casualties.
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[Rebecca] At thejournal,
we had heard a rumor
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that there was runoff
from the nerve agent
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in the river avon.
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And that that was
flowing through the city
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and that that had come
about when the fire service
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hosed down the bench
the skripals were found on.
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Ducks and swans in the city
were being poisoned or were dying.
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We couldn't rule any
of these rumors out.
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This substance could
potentially be anywhere in the city
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and that anyone could
have come into contact with it.
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[Tracy] For the community
living in Salisbury,
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it was frightening,
unusual, very scary.
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It's quite daunting really,
and it's just quite worrying
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to know what's
gonna happen next.
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Because the fact there's a
Russian spy living right next door
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and we never knew about it.
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And then for something
like this to happen,
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it's quite concerning.
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People are nervous about it
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because it's so close to home.
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It's the not knowing and
what's going on, really.
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I mean, there's a lot of security
around and a lot of police around.
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So, yeah.
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Within the space of less
than 24 hours, it was clear
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it was clear that there was a
major incident evolving here.
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The world's press
descended upon Salisbury.
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[Woman] It was becoming crazy.
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The city streets themselves
are part of the news.
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My name is Olga ivshina,
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I'm a senior reporter
for BBC Russian service.
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I was on the phone
talking Russian.
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Just saw that there is
an old lady staring at me
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and sort of waiting
for me to finish the call.
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I put down the
phone and she said,
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"oh, it's you Russians! What
have you done to our city?
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What have you done?
Why do you do this to us?"
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It was a moment which
told you the story, in a way.
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How frightened and
angry people are.
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There you are in Salisbury,
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but give us your perspective
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as a journalist for the BBC
Russian service, about how this...
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[Olga] I was the only Russian
speaker which worked on that news.
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And they said, "listen,
your job is very important.
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To learn more
about Sergei skripal,
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about his family, about
his past in Russia."
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We know that there
was someone with Sergei,
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some other woman who
was sitting next to him
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and who's also in the
hospital at the moment
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in a very bad condition.
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But that's it, we didn't
know anything else.
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During these days, BBC
spoke to a number of experts,
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and all say that we
should be cautious...
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And certainly we shouldn't issue
any accusations at the moment.
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Some day, at like
six A.M. London time,
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I got a message saying,
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"yes, I am a niece of
Sergei skripal, call me."
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[Speaking Russian]
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You could hear
her voice trembling.
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And then she said,
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"what's going on, is she alive?"
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And then I had to tell her that she's
in the hospital in critical condition.
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[Dr. Haslam] By this
stage, on the Tuesday,
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the patients were
close to death.
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We had armed guards
at the end of our icu.
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Is anybody gonna come back
and try and finish our patients off?
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And could we get
caught in any crossfire?
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That was certainly something
that we worried about.
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[Machines beeping]
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[Olga] When
viktoria skripal said,
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"what have they done to him?"
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I asked her, "who do you mean?"
345
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And she said, "security services,
Russian security services."
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That was her initial reaction.
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[Nick] Tuesday night, that's when
things started to change for me.
348
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They were like nightmares
or hallucinations.
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Like, pure hate and flames
right in front of my eyes.
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As if you were able to get close
enough to the surface of the sun,
351
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it was like a Tsunami
of pure hate and fire.
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That was terrifying, but when
I woke up I was boiling hot
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and I was literally
pouring with sweat,
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just pouring with sweat.
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And I got out of bed and
I staggered downstairs
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'cause I needed to
get a drink of water,
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and I felt really, really
unsteady on my feet.
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And my vision was impaired,
359
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it was like still frames that
were jittering from one to the next,
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that's how my eyesight was,
361
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and it was horrible.
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I looked at the mirror again
and my pupils were still tiny,
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and I was scared, physically,
by how I was feeling.
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It was terrifying,
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so I went to
hospital, to a&E.
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That's the first
time I met James.
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[Dr. Haslam] I went
down to examine him
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and, by this stage,
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I know what nerve
agent poisoning looks like,
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although nothing had
been officially confirmed.
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But there were lots of
conversations behind closed doors.
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[Hamish] I've seen how
these things kill people.
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So, when your body
starts shutting down,
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the initial look is statuesque,
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where people are frozen
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because their
muscles can't move.
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There will be choking
because you can't breathe,
378
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you get pin-pointed pupils
379
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because your eyes
are shutting down.
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[Dr. Haslam] I had to
break the news to him
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that there was a class of
nerve agents called "novichok,"
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something that is
extremely terrifying.
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It was designed to kill
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on a mass scale.
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And then there is the
horror, the fear factor,
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of being poisoned.
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[Nick] James came in and said,
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"you have a nerve agent
called novichok in your system."
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We were in completely
unknown territory now.
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I'd been caught up in an
international assassination attempt.
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Even the staff of the
hospital were scared
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about how this was gonna work
393
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and what was going on.
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And I... yeah, it's pure terror.
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I cried a lot
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'cause I was so scared.
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I thought it's only
a matter of time
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before I slip into
a coma and die.
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[Machines beeping]
400
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[Dr. Haslam] I felt
under a lot of pressure.
401
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I was really worried
about my three patients.
402
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The ramifications were
starting to play out in my mind.
403
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This is going to be some
sort of international scandal
404
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if one of them died.
405
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That could be the start of war.
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[Woman] It was outrageous
that two people living in Salisbury
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had been attacked in this way.
408
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It was as though a bomb had
gone off on the streets of Salisbury.
409
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This was almost an act of war.
410
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As a cabinet minister
and as a home secretary,
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you feel the affrontery,
really, of the violence
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of this act on British soil.
413
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And so we attributed
it as a terrorist attack.
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Until we could actually
pinpoint it as attributed
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to an individual
leading a nation-state.
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[Camera shutters clicking]
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[Man shouts] Are you ready
to retaliate, prime minister?
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How will you hit back?
419
00:24:02,172 --> 00:24:07,000
[Amber rudd] But Theresa may was
determined that we shouldn't rush it
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in order to have
a proper response.
421
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[Man] It's hard to imagine a situation
where the stakes could be higher.
422
00:24:13,896 --> 00:24:15,724
"International
terrorist operations"
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fundamentally goes to
the defense of the realm
424
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and the security of the country.
425
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My name is Mark rowley.
426
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When the Salisbury
poisonings happened,
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I was the head of UK
counter terrorism policing,
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leading that national
responsibility from Scotland yard.
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[Rowley] It is being
treated as a major incident
430
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involving attempted murder
431
00:24:36,448 --> 00:24:38,896
by administration
of a nerve agent
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finding the weapon,
finding the suspects
433
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was a massively high priority.
434
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The challenge was we didn't
know how it'd been brought in,
435
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and who'd brought it in.
436
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So many unknowns.
437
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[Paul mills] What's
really, really critical
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is to catch those
who have done it.
439
00:24:59,137 --> 00:25:01,448
It was tense, but
we had a job to do.
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The counter-terrorism police
441
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had to firstly establish where the
skripals had actually been poisoned
442
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and ultimately, by who.
443
00:25:09,896 --> 00:25:12,000
Clearly at the center
of that was cctv.
444
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Piecing all of that together and
then tracing that back to Russia
445
00:25:17,379 --> 00:25:23,103
was one of the most complex investigations
I would say in recent policing history.
446
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[Mark rowley] We've got the police
forensic experts on the ground,
447
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:30,103
armed specialist
protection officers
448
00:25:30,137 --> 00:25:32,827
protecting the
skripals at the hospital.
449
00:25:32,862 --> 00:25:34,896
The lead intelligence
agencies, mi5 and MI6,
450
00:25:34,931 --> 00:25:36,586
it's like bringing an
orchestra together
451
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from scratch at high speed.
452
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One of the key
things about novichok
453
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that the Russians
designed into it,
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that it was undetectable.
455
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And after they were first
infected with nerve agent,
456
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they were spreading
contamination.
457
00:25:54,103 --> 00:25:55,551
It's a bit like your DNA,
458
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you leave it whatever you touch.
459
00:25:57,793 --> 00:26:00,517
So one had to find the source
460
00:26:00,551 --> 00:26:03,413
and then track where
the skripals had been.
461
00:26:03,448 --> 00:26:06,448
Trying to trace all the novichok
was a absolute nightmare.
462
00:26:07,827 --> 00:26:13,241
You're looking for the
smallest smears of a liquid
463
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across a whole city.
464
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But the forensic examination
465
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is far harder, far slower
466
00:26:20,379 --> 00:26:22,068
than the normal
forensic examination.
467
00:26:22,103 --> 00:26:23,517
It's a long, slow process
468
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requiring immense care.
469
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Being a reporter, you know,
470
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you have to be close.
471
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You can't see it,
but it might be there
472
00:26:32,137 --> 00:26:34,000
and it might be really,
really dangerous.
473
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[Paul mills] We had to
sample every blade of grass,
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take it to a mass spectrometer
475
00:26:41,655 --> 00:26:44,620
and work out whether
there was novichok there.
476
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The threat was massive.
477
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[Mark] Due to the
nature of novichok,
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this stuff lives for a very, very
long time, it doesn't degrade.
479
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All of those people
that actually responded,
480
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whether or not that
was police officers,
481
00:27:00,379 --> 00:27:03,724
ambulance staff, the hospital,
other members of the public,
482
00:27:03,758 --> 00:27:06,206
that had actually come
into contact with the skripals,
483
00:27:06,241 --> 00:27:07,965
the potential for
chronic illness
484
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meant we had to destroy 18
police vehicles, nine ambulances...
485
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We start to lock
down all of the scenes.
486
00:27:14,379 --> 00:27:16,275
It was huge.
487
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:18,206
[Hamish] We buried 37 vehicles.
488
00:27:18,241 --> 00:27:20,206
So little of it can be fatal
489
00:27:20,241 --> 00:27:22,275
that you have to
track every molecule,
490
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:24,758
but we're talking about millions
and millions of molecules.
491
00:27:26,689 --> 00:27:28,729
[Paul] Early on, every
option has to be on the table
492
00:27:28,758 --> 00:27:29,907
if it's gonna help save lives.
493
00:27:29,931 --> 00:27:32,551
A mass evacuation of
large areas of Salisbury
494
00:27:32,586 --> 00:27:34,137
to protect the public
495
00:27:34,172 --> 00:27:35,344
was a possibility.
496
00:27:37,655 --> 00:27:39,665
[Man] A chemical weapon hadn't
been used in Western Europe
497
00:27:39,689 --> 00:27:41,586
since world war I.
498
00:27:41,620 --> 00:27:44,448
And it was clearly
and unlawful use
499
00:27:44,482 --> 00:27:46,758
of a very reckless form of force
500
00:27:46,793 --> 00:27:50,034
against the UK and
against a British citizen.
501
00:27:50,896 --> 00:27:53,551
Novichok was a new nerve agent
502
00:27:53,586 --> 00:27:56,000
developed in the late
years of the Soviet union
503
00:27:56,034 --> 00:27:57,448
in the 1980s.
504
00:27:57,482 --> 00:28:00,206
As soon as it became clear that
the nerve agent was a novichok,
505
00:28:00,241 --> 00:28:06,344
we knew that only Russia
possessed that kind of capability.
506
00:28:06,379 --> 00:28:09,137
Me, as the national security
advisor advising the prime minister,
507
00:28:09,172 --> 00:28:12,413
I was always clear that the
Russians were the prime suspect.
508
00:28:12,448 --> 00:28:13,827
[Speaking Russian]
509
00:28:19,517 --> 00:28:21,482
[Hamish] The Russians
were trying to put across
510
00:28:21,517 --> 00:28:25,655
that this novichok had
not originated in Russia,
511
00:28:25,689 --> 00:28:30,034
creating the view that the
brits were responsible for it,
512
00:28:31,241 --> 00:28:33,275
you know, they'd
done it to themselves.
513
00:28:33,310 --> 00:28:35,896
Near everybody had done
it, except the Russians.
514
00:28:35,931 --> 00:28:38,896
Yet every news channel
was full of this stuff.
515
00:28:38,931 --> 00:28:43,172
Information warfare,
disinformation, or propaganda,
516
00:28:43,206 --> 00:28:45,379
it is part of the
Russian armory.
517
00:28:47,241 --> 00:28:49,137
[Man] Why don't you ask
yourselves the question,
518
00:28:49,172 --> 00:28:52,206
"how can the British
authorities so quickly
519
00:28:53,551 --> 00:28:56,241
manage to designate
the nerve agent used
520
00:28:56,275 --> 00:28:57,965
as something called novichok?
521
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,044
It has a chemical signature
that they were able to...
522
00:29:00,068 --> 00:29:03,758
But when you have a
nerve agent or whatever,
523
00:29:03,793 --> 00:29:07,862
you check it against certain samples
that you retain in your laboratory.
524
00:29:10,137 --> 00:29:12,758
[Man] The defence science
and technology laboratory
525
00:29:12,793 --> 00:29:15,344
at porton down,
just near Salisbury
526
00:29:15,379 --> 00:29:18,896
I've worked with most
of my military career.
527
00:29:18,931 --> 00:29:21,103
They are the world's experts
528
00:29:21,137 --> 00:29:23,827
in chemical and
biological type warfare.
529
00:29:24,827 --> 00:29:28,655
Porton down is the
largest military facility
530
00:29:28,689 --> 00:29:30,000
in the United Kingdom
531
00:29:30,034 --> 00:29:34,448
that has been dealing with
chemical weapons research.
532
00:29:34,482 --> 00:29:39,103
And it's actually only
eight miles from Salisbury.
533
00:29:39,137 --> 00:29:40,620
I've lived in Salisbury
my whole life,
534
00:29:40,655 --> 00:29:42,344
but I couldn't tell
you a great deal about
535
00:29:42,379 --> 00:29:45,103
what actually goes
on inside porton down.
536
00:29:45,137 --> 00:29:48,517
Porton down does have a
reputation for being quite mysterious,
537
00:29:48,551 --> 00:29:54,448
and for having strange conspiracies
and stories that surround it.
538
00:29:54,482 --> 00:29:58,586
They're investigating aliens,
they're talking about mass poisonings,
539
00:29:58,620 --> 00:30:02,137
they're doing all sorts of
experiments to do with animal testing.
540
00:30:07,965 --> 00:30:09,586
Porton down, I am sure,
541
00:30:09,620 --> 00:30:13,965
has the files and details of what
novichok is and how to make it.
542
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,103
We certainly have the formulas
543
00:30:16,137 --> 00:30:19,000
and that was from people
who'd defected from Russia
544
00:30:19,034 --> 00:30:21,137
back in the 70s and 80s.
545
00:30:22,517 --> 00:30:25,310
But the fact that a level
four biosecure laboratory
546
00:30:25,344 --> 00:30:28,068
where the most deadly
pathogens are stored
547
00:30:28,103 --> 00:30:30,344
and worked on is in Salisbury
548
00:30:30,379 --> 00:30:31,827
is just a quirk of fate.
549
00:30:33,379 --> 00:30:34,907
[Olga] For the
Russians, in spy stories,
550
00:30:34,931 --> 00:30:36,517
there is never any coincidence.
551
00:30:36,551 --> 00:30:39,896
You're not suggesting that porton
down is responsible for this nerve agent?
552
00:30:39,931 --> 00:30:41,517
I don't know. I don't know...
553
00:30:41,551 --> 00:30:44,758
I don't have an evidence of
anything be... having been used.
554
00:30:44,793 --> 00:30:51,068
I was following the Russian
take on the story quite closely.
555
00:30:51,103 --> 00:30:54,448
The Salisbury journal
website was flooded
556
00:30:54,482 --> 00:30:57,896
with hundreds of comments
that were from Russia.
557
00:31:01,413 --> 00:31:02,907
[Lord Mark sedwill]
Through various means
558
00:31:02,931 --> 00:31:05,586
they put out dozens and
dozens of different stories,
559
00:31:05,620 --> 00:31:08,172
some of them
completely implausible,
560
00:31:08,206 --> 00:31:12,413
just simply in order
to confuse people.
561
00:31:12,448 --> 00:31:16,241
[Speaking Russian]
562
00:31:26,379 --> 00:31:30,000
People believed the
conspiracy narrative.
563
00:31:30,034 --> 00:31:34,758
I think in that first week after the
attack we lost the information war.
564
00:31:34,793 --> 00:31:37,206
[Crowd jeering]
565
00:31:38,862 --> 00:31:42,103
It is now clear that
Mr. Skripal and his daughter
566
00:31:42,137 --> 00:31:47,172
were poisoned with a military-grade
nerve agent known as novichok.
567
00:31:47,206 --> 00:31:50,241
Based on the positive
identification of this chemical agent
568
00:31:50,275 --> 00:31:54,103
by world leading experts at the
defense, science and technology laboratory
569
00:31:54,137 --> 00:31:58,482
at porton down, the government
has concluded that it is highly likely
570
00:31:58,517 --> 00:32:00,275
that Russia was responsible.
571
00:32:00,310 --> 00:32:04,586
[Russian anthem plays]
572
00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:08,206
[Lord sedwill] The willingness to use
chemical weapons, targeted assassination,
573
00:32:08,241 --> 00:32:11,931
operations of the kind we
saw against the skripals,
574
00:32:11,965 --> 00:32:16,103
it's inconceivable that a program of
that kind would have been conducted
575
00:32:16,137 --> 00:32:18,448
without the approval
of president putin.
576
00:32:18,482 --> 00:32:20,896
[Russian anthem continues]
577
00:32:39,586 --> 00:32:42,026
[Woman] Are you strong enough
to take on putin, prime minister?
578
00:32:44,413 --> 00:32:47,148
[Theresa may] Mr. Speaker, this
was not just an act of attempted murder
579
00:32:47,172 --> 00:32:52,206
in Salisbury, it is an affront to the
prohibition on the use of chemical weapons.
580
00:32:52,241 --> 00:32:56,448
The United Kingdom will now
expel 23 Russian diplomats
581
00:32:56,482 --> 00:32:58,620
- [audience murmurs]
- Who have been identified
582
00:32:58,655 --> 00:33:01,206
as undeclared
intelligence officers.
583
00:33:03,620 --> 00:33:06,551
Nerve agents are a
weapon of mass destruction.
584
00:33:08,517 --> 00:33:10,241
Having been chucked
in the deep end,
585
00:33:10,275 --> 00:33:17,448
and I had to learn on the job how
these evil toxic substances work.
586
00:33:17,482 --> 00:33:20,034
You know, that's why I didn't
sleep much that first week
587
00:33:20,068 --> 00:33:24,275
because every sinew
was straining for that.
588
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:28,448
Given it was such an evil act
we felt like we wanted to beat it.
589
00:33:29,896 --> 00:33:33,034
[Nick Bailey] My room in
intensive care became my world.
590
00:33:33,068 --> 00:33:35,665
The doctors and the nurses, the
consultants would come in to see me
591
00:33:35,689 --> 00:33:41,482
in completely, like,
full suits, masks, visors,
592
00:33:41,517 --> 00:33:43,344
double, triple gloves.
593
00:33:43,379 --> 00:33:45,034
You know, they have
to protect themselves,
594
00:33:45,068 --> 00:33:48,172
but that kind of fueled
my fear of the unknown.
595
00:33:48,206 --> 00:33:53,517
It fueled my terror. I've got no
idea how this is gonna play out.
596
00:33:53,551 --> 00:33:58,379
I thought that I was gonna be
locked up in a mental institute.
597
00:34:02,620 --> 00:34:05,140
[Amber rudd] Very dramatic, it
felt to me, visiting the hospital.
598
00:34:06,862 --> 00:34:10,379
I was taken up to see
detective sergeant Nick Bailey.
599
00:34:10,413 --> 00:34:15,172
I've never seen so many
wires going into a man's body.
600
00:34:15,206 --> 00:34:18,034
It was a shock just to
see him in that state.
601
00:34:18,068 --> 00:34:22,103
I was conscious throughout
my time in hospital,
602
00:34:22,137 --> 00:34:24,551
whereas Sergei
and yulia weren't.
603
00:34:24,586 --> 00:34:26,413
They were worse
because they had, probably,
604
00:34:26,448 --> 00:34:29,206
had a stronger
hit of it than I did,
605
00:34:29,241 --> 00:34:31,827
and as such I didn't
fall unconscious
606
00:34:31,862 --> 00:34:34,482
or wasn't needed
to put into a coma.
607
00:34:34,517 --> 00:34:36,793
[Rudd] The consultant
who was in charge
608
00:34:36,827 --> 00:34:40,310
was on the verge of
tears as I spoke to him.
609
00:34:40,344 --> 00:34:42,275
[Machines beeping]
610
00:34:46,862 --> 00:34:51,655
I went into intensive
care as a profession,
611
00:34:51,689 --> 00:34:55,896
partly because my dad was
critically ill when I was a kid.
612
00:34:56,931 --> 00:34:58,310
And...
613
00:34:59,172 --> 00:35:02,413
The icu guys saved his life.
614
00:35:02,448 --> 00:35:06,206
And so, [voice shaking] Yeah, that's
what I wanted to do for my patients
615
00:35:06,241 --> 00:35:08,034
was to save their lives.
616
00:35:10,034 --> 00:35:14,758
- [Siren wailing] - [Rudd] I realized
that Nick Bailey was going to live
617
00:35:14,793 --> 00:35:19,758
because the consultant
slept hardly at all in days,
618
00:35:19,793 --> 00:35:23,827
trying to keep his patients
alive and he was winning.
619
00:35:25,724 --> 00:35:31,793
There were so, so many people,
doctors, nurses, consultants
620
00:35:31,827 --> 00:35:34,793
that were involved
in looking after me.
621
00:35:34,827 --> 00:35:37,620
Undoubtedly, they saved my life.
622
00:35:37,655 --> 00:35:40,068
James haslam was
one of those people
623
00:35:40,103 --> 00:35:41,965
and he's got a tiny
little place in my heart
624
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,655
because he's part of that
horrific ordeal in hospital,
625
00:35:46,689 --> 00:35:48,931
and I'm incredibly grateful.
626
00:35:48,965 --> 00:35:53,862
At heart, I'm an emotional
englishman and I...
627
00:35:53,896 --> 00:35:57,241
[Scoffs] Emotions are just
below the surface for me.
628
00:35:57,275 --> 00:36:04,241
I've looked after all kinds
of dying, sick patients and...
629
00:36:05,689 --> 00:36:10,724
I think every patient
who survives is...
630
00:36:10,758 --> 00:36:14,206
Wonderful, and that's
why we do the job.
631
00:36:14,241 --> 00:36:16,448
I do care deeply about patients.
632
00:36:18,103 --> 00:36:21,482
With all the press around,
we had to sneak Nick out
633
00:36:21,517 --> 00:36:22,797
of the backdoor of the hospital.
634
00:36:29,068 --> 00:36:32,551
[Woman] Sergeant Nick Bailey's condition
has now improved, and he was discharged
635
00:36:32,586 --> 00:36:35,241
from Salisbury district
hospital this afternoon.
636
00:36:36,620 --> 00:36:39,689
I personally want to wish
Nick and his family well,
637
00:36:39,724 --> 00:36:42,379
and I know that the staff
right across the hospital
638
00:36:42,413 --> 00:36:44,896
will want me to share
their very best wishes.
639
00:36:44,931 --> 00:36:49,206
I also want to update you on
the condition of Sergei skripal.
640
00:36:49,241 --> 00:36:52,344
He's responding well to
treatment, improving rapidly,
641
00:36:52,379 --> 00:36:55,413
and is no longer in
a critical condition.
642
00:36:55,448 --> 00:36:58,275
[Dr. Haslam] My sickest
patients, two Russian nationals,
643
00:36:58,310 --> 00:37:00,620
had dramatically turned a corner
644
00:37:00,655 --> 00:37:04,413
and had stabilized physiologically,
which was a huge relief.
645
00:37:04,448 --> 00:37:07,137
[Machines beeping]
646
00:37:07,172 --> 00:37:09,931
[Lorna wilkinson] And, as
the skripals started to wake up,
647
00:37:09,965 --> 00:37:14,724
they both made quick
strides in their recovery.
648
00:37:14,758 --> 00:37:18,137
It actually was then
shorter than we expected
649
00:37:18,172 --> 00:37:22,448
from that time to them
actually gaining consciousness,
650
00:37:22,482 --> 00:37:25,413
being awake, being
able to converse with us.
651
00:37:25,448 --> 00:37:30,068
But, obviously, very quickly
the police got involved.
652
00:37:30,103 --> 00:37:32,172
This was part of a
major investigation.
653
00:37:33,655 --> 00:37:38,068
This had so much complexity
to it. It had the political angle,
654
00:37:38,103 --> 00:37:41,379
it had the world of espionage,
655
00:37:41,413 --> 00:37:46,241
and took us to
the edge of a world
656
00:37:46,275 --> 00:37:49,344
that most of us don't
even know exists.
657
00:37:49,379 --> 00:37:53,586
We think it's the stuff
ofjames bond films.
658
00:37:55,482 --> 00:38:00,103
The Russians like
using exotic methods
659
00:38:00,137 --> 00:38:04,310
to take out people who
they don't approve of.
660
00:38:04,344 --> 00:38:07,344
You know, the stabbing,
the spraying or whatever.
661
00:38:07,379 --> 00:38:12,586
You know, litvinenko, polonium-210,
a drop being put in his tea.
662
00:38:12,620 --> 00:38:16,689
You let mother Russia down and
mother Russia will take you down.
663
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,206
[Speaking Russian]
664
00:38:26,551 --> 00:38:31,482
A case like this is enormously
complex, and just one strand of that
665
00:38:31,517 --> 00:38:35,896
was Sergei and yulia
skripal's movements
666
00:38:35,931 --> 00:38:39,793
on the day the poisons
took a hold on them.
667
00:38:39,827 --> 00:38:42,724
In terms of the investigation
tracking down ground zero,
668
00:38:42,758 --> 00:38:45,413
where was novichok administered?
669
00:38:46,448 --> 00:38:48,655
The cctv was giving
us the picture of
670
00:38:48,689 --> 00:38:51,137
the movement of the
skripals during that day.
671
00:38:59,586 --> 00:39:03,862
[Ebru ozturk] Mr. Skripal was
one of my favorite customers.
672
00:39:03,896 --> 00:39:06,000
He made me always smile.
673
00:39:08,275 --> 00:39:14,448
He's very kind, very
happy, cheerful, never rush.
674
00:39:14,482 --> 00:39:17,448
He's very slow,
calm, you know, the...
675
00:39:17,482 --> 00:39:21,275
And he use, "no problem."
676
00:39:21,310 --> 00:39:24,172
He's always used
this, "no problem."
677
00:39:24,206 --> 00:39:26,827
This phrases always
remind me of him.
678
00:39:26,862 --> 00:39:30,620
He's like a proper, proper
grandfather, you know?
679
00:39:32,172 --> 00:39:36,344
Last time Mr. Skripal
came to my shop,
680
00:39:36,379 --> 00:39:39,448
he mentioned the daughter
is coming to see him
681
00:39:39,482 --> 00:39:41,413
and they're going to
spend time together
682
00:39:41,448 --> 00:39:44,448
which make him very happy.
683
00:39:44,482 --> 00:39:46,310
You know, he was excited.
684
00:39:50,068 --> 00:39:52,931
That was the last
time I saw him.
685
00:40:00,310 --> 00:40:02,551
Yulia has recently
arrived from Russia,
686
00:40:02,586 --> 00:40:05,517
looking forward to a
holiday with her dad.
687
00:40:05,551 --> 00:40:08,172
We know that one of the first
things she did when she got to the UK
688
00:40:08,206 --> 00:40:12,517
was go and visit her mom's
grave, which they had done together.
689
00:40:13,793 --> 00:40:15,413
We know they've been into a pub.
690
00:40:15,448 --> 00:40:17,389
[Paul mills] We know they've
then been to a restaurant
691
00:40:17,413 --> 00:40:18,862
and then they've become unwell.
692
00:40:18,896 --> 00:40:20,655
And we've got nine
different scenes
693
00:40:20,689 --> 00:40:23,275
that are up and
running in Salisbury.
694
00:40:23,310 --> 00:40:26,068
We learned more and
more, and what was very clear
695
00:40:26,103 --> 00:40:27,758
that everybody
that had become ill
696
00:40:27,793 --> 00:40:30,724
had been directly in contact with
the front door of Sergei's house.
697
00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:41,172
[Nick] A couple of weeks
after leaving hospital
698
00:40:41,206 --> 00:40:43,931
I was shocked to learn that
it was on the door handle.
699
00:40:45,103 --> 00:40:46,562
I was the first person
through the door
700
00:40:46,586 --> 00:40:48,586
after they had become poisoned,
701
00:40:48,620 --> 00:40:55,310
and so it got onto my glove, and somehow
got onto my skin, and into my blood system.
702
00:40:55,344 --> 00:40:59,275
[Tracy daszkiewicz] That door was
removed, and at that point we then knew
703
00:40:59,310 --> 00:41:01,965
that the science that we'd
use to track his movements
704
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,172
had been the right approach.
705
00:41:04,206 --> 00:41:07,965
[Nick] Such a brazen
attempt on someone's life,
706
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,758
and anybody could have
touched that door handle.
707
00:41:10,793 --> 00:41:11,793
It angered me.
708
00:41:13,689 --> 00:41:16,068
Novichok, without
a doubt, is a killer.
709
00:41:16,103 --> 00:41:20,551
Let's be clear, it's a
military-grade chemical weapon.
710
00:41:20,586 --> 00:41:23,758
Those that came to
target Mr. Skripal and yulia
711
00:41:23,793 --> 00:41:25,448
were intending to kill them.
712
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,827
[Speaking Russian]
713
00:41:35,793 --> 00:41:39,448
[Rebecca Hudson] Russian
disinformation was intensifying.
714
00:41:39,482 --> 00:41:43,517
There were dozens of wild
theories about what I had done
715
00:41:43,551 --> 00:41:45,172
or what I hadn't done.
716
00:41:45,206 --> 00:41:49,758
I was accused of having burner
phones buried in my back garden
717
00:41:49,793 --> 00:41:56,793
that I would dig up at night to contact all
sorts of people to help plan these attacks.
718
00:41:56,827 --> 00:41:59,241
[Nick] At one point, I was
accused of being the assassin.
719
00:41:59,275 --> 00:42:03,517
I was accused of
being Sergei's handler.
720
00:42:03,551 --> 00:42:05,896
I was accused of
working for MI6.
721
00:42:05,931 --> 00:42:12,689
The most ridiculous of those, I think,
was that I had stolen the skripal's cat.
722
00:42:12,724 --> 00:42:14,344
Obviously, none of this true.
723
00:42:16,965 --> 00:42:21,241
One of the lines that was
coming out in Russian reporting
724
00:42:21,275 --> 00:42:24,172
was that Sergei and yulia
skripal were being, almost,
725
00:42:24,206 --> 00:42:26,827
held against their
will in the hospital
726
00:42:26,862 --> 00:42:29,862
and not being allowed to talk
to relatives or see relatives.
727
00:42:29,896 --> 00:42:31,586
We want to see the evidence.
728
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:35,413
We want to have access
to Russian nationals.
729
00:42:35,448 --> 00:42:36,896
We are denied.
730
00:42:36,931 --> 00:42:40,655
And we want to make
our own investigation,
731
00:42:40,689 --> 00:42:42,896
and we want to understand
what happened there.
732
00:42:42,931 --> 00:42:45,655
The Russians suggested
that the skripals had been
733
00:42:45,689 --> 00:42:49,758
abducted by UK
authorities in some form,
734
00:42:49,793 --> 00:42:51,689
which, obviously, was
completely ridiculous
735
00:42:51,724 --> 00:42:54,586
but it was part of their
disinformation campaign.
736
00:42:54,620 --> 00:42:58,206
[Speaking Russian]
737
00:43:01,310 --> 00:43:05,586
There were people even
within the city, a minority,
738
00:43:05,620 --> 00:43:11,103
but who started to question, "is
this real? This hadn't happened.
739
00:43:11,137 --> 00:43:16,310
These patients weren't here. Sergei
didn't survive. He couldn't have survived.
740
00:43:17,275 --> 00:43:18,551
This was all fake."
741
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,517
He absolutely did survive,
the same as yulia survived
742
00:43:27,379 --> 00:43:29,000
so yeah, they're wrong.
743
00:43:30,068 --> 00:43:32,413
[Speaking Russian]
744
00:43:46,793 --> 00:43:49,344
[Speaking Russian]
745
00:44:03,206 --> 00:44:05,482
[Lorna] Yulia had survived.
746
00:44:05,517 --> 00:44:09,310
We hadn't thought anybody
would survive novichok poisoning.
747
00:44:09,344 --> 00:44:12,172
I think that, collectively,
748
00:44:12,206 --> 00:44:16,896
there was almost a sadness
at saying goodbye to her
749
00:44:16,931 --> 00:44:19,862
because she was also
saying goodbye to somebody
750
00:44:19,896 --> 00:44:24,241
who you knew would get
swallowed up into a secret world.
751
00:44:24,275 --> 00:44:28,413
We all knew that her life
would be changed forever.
752
00:44:30,137 --> 00:44:35,034
It was Sergei's choice to be a
professional spy and he answers for that.
753
00:44:35,068 --> 00:44:39,655
But then, suddenly, you know, it affects
other people who never signed up for that.
754
00:44:39,689 --> 00:44:43,137
Did his daughter sign
up for that? No, she didn't.
755
00:44:43,896 --> 00:44:46,931
[Speaking Russian]
756
00:44:51,689 --> 00:44:53,620
[Duncan Murray] Sergei
had been really sick.
757
00:44:53,655 --> 00:44:56,862
In extraordinary circumstances
someone had tried to kill him.
758
00:44:56,896 --> 00:44:58,689
My name's Duncan Murray,
759
00:44:58,724 --> 00:45:03,034
and I'm a consultant anesthetist
and intensive care specialist.
760
00:45:03,068 --> 00:45:07,413
I happened to be the
attending consultant
761
00:45:07,448 --> 00:45:11,793
at the time that he was
able to breathe unassisted.
762
00:45:11,827 --> 00:45:15,000
He didn't die when he
was in Salisbury hospital.
763
00:45:15,034 --> 00:45:18,724
I don't know what's happened
beyond that, but, yeah.
764
00:45:18,758 --> 00:45:21,620
The last time I saw him
[Laughing] he was alive,
765
00:45:21,655 --> 00:45:23,310
and I've got no
reason to believe that
766
00:45:23,344 --> 00:45:25,103
he didn't leave
the hospital alive.
767
00:45:25,137 --> 00:45:26,724
Yeah.
768
00:45:28,172 --> 00:45:30,344
[Dr. Haslam] On
discharging our last patient
769
00:45:30,379 --> 00:45:33,241
there was a real sense of
relief, of accomplishment.
770
00:45:33,275 --> 00:45:35,137
Things started to
return to normal.
771
00:45:35,172 --> 00:45:38,689
All the fanfare of the press
and everything had gone.
772
00:45:38,724 --> 00:45:41,275
- [Bells chiming]
- In the back of our minds
773
00:45:41,310 --> 00:45:45,517
there was a sense that the
police hadn't found the novichok,
774
00:45:45,551 --> 00:45:47,827
and so there was
a niggling feeling.
775
00:45:47,862 --> 00:45:51,241
Could it still be out there?
Do we need to be worried?
776
00:45:51,275 --> 00:45:56,620
When a story involves
spies and exiles,
777
00:45:56,655 --> 00:46:00,103
the public will want to know, "well, what
really went on? What's under the surface?"
778
00:46:01,344 --> 00:46:03,172
In terms of the investigation,
779
00:46:03,206 --> 00:46:08,068
we're very interested in finding
the team behind this, the suspects.
780
00:46:08,103 --> 00:46:12,413
[Paul] Slowly but surely, the counterterrorism
police were able to narrow down
781
00:46:12,448 --> 00:46:16,000
with the cctv imaging, and
then have that Eureka moment.
782
00:46:20,931 --> 00:46:25,689
We're able to see our two
suspects arriving at the train station.
783
00:46:25,724 --> 00:46:28,137
Well, if they're only in Salisbury
for a short period of time,
784
00:46:28,172 --> 00:46:31,379
and then we'd know that they
go back to London after the attack,
785
00:46:31,413 --> 00:46:36,586
and certainly by early evening
they're on a flight back to Russia.
786
00:46:36,620 --> 00:46:40,551
Counterterrorism police needed
to identify those two suspects.
787
00:46:41,965 --> 00:46:44,931
[Sir Mark rowley] It was quite
possible that the offenders
788
00:46:44,965 --> 00:46:47,724
may have taken the
exact novichok agent,
789
00:46:47,758 --> 00:46:51,344
that was used to attempt to
kill Sergei skripal, with them.
790
00:46:51,379 --> 00:46:53,872
They may have destroyed it in a
completely different part of the country,
791
00:46:53,896 --> 00:46:55,862
but it stayed high
on our list of priorities
792
00:46:55,896 --> 00:46:58,448
because public safety
was the number one issue.
793
00:46:58,482 --> 00:47:01,448
[Paul] It's back to the
needle in the haystack.
794
00:47:01,482 --> 00:47:03,068
The novichok
getting where that was
795
00:47:03,103 --> 00:47:07,482
is still a major, major
question Mark for us.
796
00:47:07,517 --> 00:47:12,931
We had gone through everything in
terms of checking and checking again.
797
00:47:12,965 --> 00:47:16,862
I felt Salisbury was
safe. I wasn't in any doubt.
798
00:47:19,793 --> 00:47:20,872
[Radio reporter] First of all,
799
00:47:20,896 --> 00:47:22,586
spire fm news at three o'clock.
800
00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:24,665
[Radio reporter 2] Prince Charles
and the duchess of cornwall
801
00:47:24,689 --> 00:47:29,551
have visited Salisbury to help drum
up trade after the nerve agent attack.
802
00:47:29,586 --> 00:47:33,965
[Rebecca] By June, we
were just returning to normality
803
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,689
and not writing about Russians
or nerve agents in every paper.
804
00:47:41,344 --> 00:47:43,586
The big story at the
Salisbury journal at the time
805
00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:47,931
was people coming from all over
the country, or from all over the world,
806
00:47:47,965 --> 00:47:51,172
to celebrate the summer
solstice at stonehenge.
807
00:47:51,206 --> 00:47:54,896
- Not many cities have a druid community.
- [Man] Diva.
808
00:47:54,931 --> 00:48:00,620
-[All] Diva.
-[Man] ♪ diva, diva ♪
809
00:48:00,655 --> 00:48:04,689
The stonehenge solstice that
happens in June every year
810
00:48:04,724 --> 00:48:08,034
is our biggest
policing operation.
811
00:48:08,068 --> 00:48:11,275
Over 10,000 people. You're
there as the sun comes up
812
00:48:11,310 --> 00:48:14,137
and it's a wonderful
place to be.
813
00:48:14,172 --> 00:48:15,872
[Arthur pendragon] And if
you grew up around here,
814
00:48:15,896 --> 00:48:20,275
Salisbury and stonehenge are
part and parcel of the same thing
815
00:48:20,310 --> 00:48:21,655
and it's in your DNA.
816
00:48:22,655 --> 00:48:24,482
Solstice 2018,
817
00:48:24,517 --> 00:48:29,103
this was the first ceremony
we'd had here after the poisoning.
818
00:48:29,137 --> 00:48:33,793
We said some prayers
for all those affected.
819
00:48:33,827 --> 00:48:36,965
This is rural wiltshire.
Everybody knows everybody.
820
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,172
Salisbury is a small community and
we jokingly refer to it as smallsbury,
821
00:48:41,206 --> 00:48:44,793
so everybody knew someone
who was touched by it.
822
00:48:47,827 --> 00:48:51,413
[Rebecca] We had been told
repeatedly that Salisbury was safe
823
00:48:51,448 --> 00:48:56,551
and that the nerve agent
areas had all been identified.
824
00:48:57,413 --> 00:48:58,413
And then... [sighs]
825
00:48:59,482 --> 00:49:01,758
We had heard that there had been
826
00:49:02,517 --> 00:49:04,310
an unexplained incident.
827
00:49:04,344 --> 00:49:10,034
There were a lot of parallels with
what had happened back in march.
828
00:49:10,068 --> 00:49:12,010
[Reporter] A major incident's
been declared in amesbury,
829
00:49:12,034 --> 00:49:14,206
where police think a man
and a woman left critically ill
830
00:49:14,241 --> 00:49:16,896
may have been exposed
to an unknown substance.
831
00:49:16,931 --> 00:49:18,931
[Rebecca] I didn't
recognize Charlie rowley,
832
00:49:18,965 --> 00:49:21,517
but Charlie had been
arrested a few times
833
00:49:21,551 --> 00:49:23,758
and the journal
had reported on that.
834
00:49:25,896 --> 00:49:30,758
[Charlie] I found a novichok
bottle a week after my girlfriend,
835
00:49:30,793 --> 00:49:33,206
dawn, done the summer solstice.
836
00:49:33,241 --> 00:49:37,724
Dawn, basically, grew up in
the closest village to stonehenge.
837
00:49:39,827 --> 00:49:44,172
My name is Charlie rowley. I went
through a state of homelessness.
838
00:49:45,689 --> 00:49:47,344
But it, you know,
and it got better.
839
00:49:47,379 --> 00:49:50,827
You know, and I got me own
place. It was like a dream come true.
840
00:49:52,034 --> 00:49:55,310
I had a lovely, lovely
girlfriend, dawn.
841
00:49:55,344 --> 00:50:00,827
And the whole thing of getting
a new flat was overwhelming.
842
00:50:00,862 --> 00:50:04,379
You know, it blew me socks off.
843
00:50:04,413 --> 00:50:08,448
I knew that there was gonna be
sunshine at the end of the cloud.
844
00:50:08,482 --> 00:50:10,458
[Reporter] The pair in their
forties were found unconscious
845
00:50:10,482 --> 00:50:13,517
at a property in muggleton
road on Saturday evening.
846
00:50:13,551 --> 00:50:19,206
Charlie got a brand new flat and he
invited dawn to come and live with him.
847
00:50:19,241 --> 00:50:22,448
And the pair of 'em were like,
"wow, it's the perfect family home.
848
00:50:22,482 --> 00:50:24,344
It's a brand new fresh start."
849
00:50:25,206 --> 00:50:27,482
A dream home
for the pair of them.
850
00:50:27,517 --> 00:50:32,448
And so, they set about building
their little love nest up together.
851
00:50:36,344 --> 00:50:39,862
[Charlie] I furnished my flat with
stuff that had been thrown away,
852
00:50:39,896 --> 00:50:46,000
and my past time was going
around various charity shop bins
853
00:50:46,034 --> 00:50:51,275
and get electrical equipment,
or kitchenware and stuff.
854
00:50:52,137 --> 00:50:55,931
Just digging in deep, really.
855
00:50:55,965 --> 00:51:00,344
You could find, like, all sorts
of things, like gold necklaces,
856
00:51:00,379 --> 00:51:03,068
to silver, to earings
and all sorts.
857
00:51:03,103 --> 00:51:05,344
And it would all
be proper and gold.
858
00:51:05,379 --> 00:51:08,689
And I would have treasures
to take back to dawn.
859
00:51:08,724 --> 00:51:11,344
She would look forward
to seeing me the next day
860
00:51:11,379 --> 00:51:13,655
to see what I'd
pull out of my sack.
861
00:51:13,689 --> 00:51:17,896
One person's rubbish is
another man's gold as they say.
862
00:51:21,862 --> 00:51:26,206
[Charlie] But I remember going
to the bin and going through it,
863
00:51:26,241 --> 00:51:31,620
and I found a
perfume box for dawn.
864
00:51:31,655 --> 00:51:33,275
I thought, "hey,
winner, winner."
865
00:51:33,310 --> 00:51:38,172
And it was all in plastic, all
sealed, and it looked expensive.
866
00:51:38,206 --> 00:51:39,793
So I put it in me pocket.
867
00:51:39,827 --> 00:51:41,896
He loves little treasures
that he finds, but then,
868
00:51:41,931 --> 00:51:44,034
obviously, he come
across this bottle
869
00:51:44,068 --> 00:51:45,689
which he thought
was a good treasure,
870
00:51:45,724 --> 00:51:47,965
a bottle of perfume.
871
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,010
He ended up doing something
the police didn't achieve
872
00:51:50,034 --> 00:51:51,862
by finding the novichok bottle.
873
00:51:55,413 --> 00:51:57,275
I mean, we think there
was about a a quarter,
874
00:51:57,310 --> 00:51:58,424
an eighth of a cup of novichok.
875
00:51:58,448 --> 00:52:01,172
If you administered
that correctly
876
00:52:01,206 --> 00:52:04,379
it could have killed tens
of thousands of people.
877
00:52:06,137 --> 00:52:08,586
This wasn't a standard
Nina ricci bottle.
878
00:52:08,620 --> 00:52:13,931
This had been manufactured
so that the applicator was key.
879
00:52:13,965 --> 00:52:18,448
Finding the perfume bottle was the
most important piece of the puzzle.
880
00:52:23,275 --> 00:52:25,551
[Charlie] It was
Saturday, the 30th of June.
881
00:52:25,586 --> 00:52:30,827
I gave the bottle of perfume
to my girlfriend, dawn.
882
00:52:30,862 --> 00:52:33,620
She said, "oh, that's a good
one. That's a good make."
883
00:52:33,655 --> 00:52:36,620
And I thought I'd done
well then, you know?
884
00:52:39,310 --> 00:52:45,413
So, it was in a cardboard box
in a heat sealed kind of package.
885
00:52:45,448 --> 00:52:47,241
It was, like,
molded to the bottle
886
00:52:47,275 --> 00:52:52,310
so I had to use a sharp
kitchen knife to cut it open.
887
00:52:52,344 --> 00:52:56,724
I then put the top nozzle
on to the glass bottle
888
00:52:56,758 --> 00:52:58,758
and covered me
hands in the spray.
889
00:52:59,931 --> 00:53:05,000
I washed it off and
then gave it to dawn.
890
00:53:05,034 --> 00:53:09,172
And she was quite happy
and sprayed it on herself.
891
00:53:09,206 --> 00:53:13,448
She had one squirt on her wrists,
like that, and rubbed them together.
892
00:53:15,862 --> 00:53:18,655
Yeah, one squirt on the
wrists and rubbed them.
893
00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:32,793
I carry a hell of a lot of guilt
894
00:53:32,827 --> 00:53:37,172
because I gave that...
Novichok to my girlfriend.
895
00:53:39,172 --> 00:53:41,551
I knew that she
cared for me and stuff,
896
00:53:41,586 --> 00:53:45,586
and she said that she wanted a
sapphire ring for an engagement ring,
897
00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:49,862
but she would quite happily
settle for a haribo ring,
898
00:53:49,896 --> 00:53:51,241
and that said it all, really.
899
00:53:51,896 --> 00:53:52,896
Yeah.
900
00:53:54,689 --> 00:54:00,655
I went into the bathroom
and she was in a bad way.
901
00:54:00,689 --> 00:54:06,413
Like, staring at nothing and foaming
at the mouth. So I called her name.
902
00:54:06,448 --> 00:54:10,620
Um...
903
00:54:10,655 --> 00:54:15,655
I shook her and then realized
that I had got no response.
904
00:54:15,689 --> 00:54:19,241
Dawn had given up
breathing for herself.
905
00:54:40,413 --> 00:54:42,689
[Siren wailing]
906
00:54:45,793 --> 00:54:50,827
I seen an ambulance outside Charlie's
house, and then I see getting dawn
907
00:54:50,862 --> 00:54:54,310
taken out on a stretcher, and...
908
00:54:54,344 --> 00:54:58,068
Yeah, it wasn't a nice sight. She
didn't look very well at all there,
909
00:54:58,103 --> 00:55:00,551
and it was quite
upsetting to see that.
910
00:55:04,931 --> 00:55:07,793
[Sam Hobson] We'd gone back
to the flat and Charlie was in bits,
911
00:55:07,827 --> 00:55:10,103
like, emotional wreck, crying,
912
00:55:10,137 --> 00:55:13,758
and then, suddenly, he started
acting all weird and paranoid.
913
00:55:13,793 --> 00:55:15,620
And then he just started
to try to attack me.
914
00:55:15,655 --> 00:55:17,241
I had him by the neck.
915
00:55:17,275 --> 00:55:20,586
I was trying to strangle him because
I thought he'd kill me, try to kill me,
916
00:55:20,620 --> 00:55:22,379
and I thought he'd
done the same to dawn.
917
00:55:22,413 --> 00:55:23,700
I said, "Charlie,
what are you doing?
918
00:55:23,724 --> 00:55:25,493
I'm your friend and I'm
not going to leave you,
919
00:55:25,517 --> 00:55:27,034
even though you're attacking me.
920
00:55:27,068 --> 00:55:29,044
I'm gonna stay with you
because it's the right thing to do,
921
00:55:29,068 --> 00:55:30,655
because this isn't you."
922
00:55:33,344 --> 00:55:38,517
But that's when he started showing
symptoms of frothing at the mouth,
923
00:55:38,551 --> 00:55:43,758
sweating loads, and his eyes going
glazed and red and milky colored.
924
00:55:43,793 --> 00:55:50,275
[Charlie] Oh, well, it's just like
something out of a horror movie kind of,
925
00:55:50,310 --> 00:55:51,551
or a zombie film.
926
00:55:51,586 --> 00:55:53,517
I was acting really weird.
927
00:55:54,413 --> 00:55:55,758
Yeah.
928
00:55:56,620 --> 00:55:57,689
Yeah.
929
00:55:57,724 --> 00:55:59,493
Then he started rocking
backwards and forwards
930
00:55:59,517 --> 00:56:02,310
and muttering some
weird tongue language.
931
00:56:02,344 --> 00:56:06,344
I don't know what it was but I
couldn't get any sense out of him at all.
932
00:56:06,379 --> 00:56:08,838
So, that's when I thought there's
something definitely wrong here.
933
00:56:08,862 --> 00:56:10,310
So I had to call 999.
934
00:56:12,034 --> 00:56:13,896
[Charlie] He'd done
the right thing.[Chuckles]
935
00:56:13,931 --> 00:56:15,851
He'd done the right thing
'cause I'd be dead now.
936
00:56:20,965 --> 00:56:23,448
[Ambulance wailing]
937
00:56:24,862 --> 00:56:26,689
[Dr. Haslam] The
first I heard about it,
938
00:56:26,724 --> 00:56:30,724
one of my colleagues had
admitted two patients in sequence
939
00:56:30,758 --> 00:56:36,000
who had unusual... An
unusual presentation.
940
00:56:36,034 --> 00:56:38,448
And again, alarm
bells were ringing.
941
00:56:38,482 --> 00:56:40,448
Could this be similar to before?
942
00:56:40,482 --> 00:56:42,931
It can't be, can it?
943
00:56:42,965 --> 00:56:46,206
As we confirmed in the
early hours of this morning,
944
00:56:46,241 --> 00:56:50,620
wiltshire police and partners
have declared a major incident
945
00:56:50,655 --> 00:56:55,517
after two people were hospitalized
following their potential exposure
946
00:56:55,551 --> 00:56:57,000
to an unknown substance.
947
00:56:57,586 --> 00:56:58,965
I was so shocked.
948
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,862
I was so shocked when actually
one of my special advisors,
949
00:57:02,896 --> 00:57:04,551
when I'd been home secretary,
950
00:57:04,586 --> 00:57:06,931
texted me and said,
"it's happening again."
951
00:57:08,103 --> 00:57:09,103
Oh, god.
952
00:57:11,034 --> 00:57:13,862
[Rebecca] I was angry
that the message had been
953
00:57:13,896 --> 00:57:16,862
that Salisbury was
completely safe for so long.
954
00:57:18,793 --> 00:57:20,827
If Salisbury had
been safe then...
955
00:57:21,862 --> 00:57:24,034
The second incident
wouldn't have happened.
956
00:57:25,793 --> 00:57:28,586
You speak to the police and
obviously they can't comment.
957
00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:31,586
And all you want to
know is are you safe?
958
00:57:31,620 --> 00:57:32,793
Do you have to do anything?
959
00:57:32,827 --> 00:57:34,379
Is your family gonna be safe?
960
00:57:34,413 --> 00:57:37,586
Is there going to be
a further escalation?
961
00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:40,620
[Mills] A real challenge for
us with the poisoning of Charlie
962
00:57:40,655 --> 00:57:43,172
was to establish
where the novichok was
963
00:57:43,206 --> 00:57:46,724
between incident number
one and incident number two.
964
00:57:46,758 --> 00:57:50,344
Where was that novichok
for that three month period?
965
00:57:50,379 --> 00:57:54,310
[Rowley] The applicator
had been left in Salisbury,
966
00:57:54,344 --> 00:57:58,689
and clearly the
police hadn't found it.
967
00:57:58,724 --> 00:58:01,113
And, of course, you'll always look
back on things like that and think,
968
00:58:01,137 --> 00:58:05,827
is there something on my watch
we could have done differently?
969
00:58:05,862 --> 00:58:09,517
But in the absence of any clues
for where they'd abandoned it,
970
00:58:09,551 --> 00:58:12,103
I'm just not sure how
we could have got there.
971
00:58:12,137 --> 00:58:13,862
[Reporter 1] Spy
affair news at 6:00.
972
00:58:13,896 --> 00:58:16,700
[Reporter 2] Counter terror police
aren't ruling out more people falling ill
973
00:58:16,724 --> 00:58:18,931
as a result of the
Salisbury spy poisoning.
974
00:58:18,965 --> 00:58:22,931
Charlie rowley and dawn sturgess
remain in a critical condition.
975
00:58:22,965 --> 00:58:24,620
[Rebecca] Salisbury's
not a big place.
976
00:58:24,655 --> 00:58:27,310
You recognize and
know a lot of people.
977
00:58:27,344 --> 00:58:29,965
Dawn was someone
who I'd often walked past
978
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,896
or seen on my way
to and from work
979
00:58:32,931 --> 00:58:35,103
who was now in
hospital being treated
980
00:58:35,137 --> 00:58:37,172
for a nerve agent attack.
981
00:58:38,275 --> 00:58:41,206
Their photographs were
passed around the tables,
982
00:58:41,241 --> 00:58:42,976
and I realized the dawn
that we're talking about
983
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,689
I'd spent some time with.
984
00:58:46,931 --> 00:58:50,310
So I felt devastated
985
00:58:50,344 --> 00:58:51,862
that she was so ill.
986
00:58:52,931 --> 00:58:54,655
I spontaneously cried.
987
00:58:55,931 --> 00:58:57,689
And, of course, she
died later that day.
988
00:59:03,172 --> 00:59:05,689
Someone died and it was
a mom with three children.
989
00:59:06,896 --> 00:59:08,379
And that is harrowing.
990
00:59:11,310 --> 00:59:13,482
She was always bright and
breezy up in the morning.
991
00:59:13,517 --> 00:59:14,655
She was a morning girl.
992
00:59:14,689 --> 00:59:17,068
Yeah, I think her name
fitted her down to a t.
993
00:59:17,103 --> 00:59:22,241
Yeah, she was a bright flame of light,
love, and laughter in a little shell,
994
00:59:22,275 --> 00:59:24,034
and she had so
much love to give.
995
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,689
She liked glittery
objects [Chuckling]
996
00:59:27,724 --> 00:59:29,931
And took a chance
on a perfume bottle.
997
00:59:30,517 --> 00:59:32,068
So...
998
00:59:32,103 --> 00:59:34,482
Yeah, real bright soul
that I'm gonna miss daily.
999
00:59:37,241 --> 00:59:40,517
I think dawn dying was a real...
1000
00:59:40,551 --> 00:59:42,424
It was a heartbreaking
moment for the whole team.
1001
00:59:42,448 --> 00:59:45,689
Any patient who dies
under our care affects us.
1002
00:59:51,068 --> 00:59:53,206
[Neil basu] It is both
shocking and utterly appalling
1003
00:59:53,241 --> 00:59:57,862
that a British citizen has died having
been exposed to a novichok nerve agent.
1004
00:59:58,379 --> 01:00:00,034
But make no mistake.
1005
01:00:00,068 --> 01:00:04,931
We are determined to find out how
dawn and her partner Charlie rowley
1006
01:00:04,965 --> 01:00:07,931
came into contact with
such a deadly substance.
1007
01:00:07,965 --> 01:00:10,586
The police liaison officers
1008
01:00:10,620 --> 01:00:14,586
got hold of me to confirm
that it was novichok.
1009
01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:19,206
They organized for me to go
to the hospital to visit Charlie.
1010
01:00:20,862 --> 01:00:23,379
He had so many
machines around him,
1011
01:00:24,413 --> 01:00:25,413
and it was...
1012
01:00:26,103 --> 01:00:28,241
It was my brother.
1013
01:00:28,275 --> 01:00:30,482
It was heartbreaking to see it.
1014
01:00:31,379 --> 01:00:33,172
It really was.
1015
01:00:33,206 --> 01:00:35,931
I thought that was the
last time I'm gonna see him.
1016
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,793
[Charlie] When I came
round out of my coma,
1017
01:00:49,827 --> 01:00:54,137
the police said about a
perfume bottle that they'd found,
1018
01:00:54,172 --> 01:00:57,551
and they said it contained
the nerve agent novichok.
1019
01:00:58,413 --> 01:01:01,379
I was like, "no, no.
It was perfume."
1020
01:01:01,413 --> 01:01:04,413
When he woke up and
came off the ventilator,
1021
01:01:04,448 --> 01:01:07,896
we had to explain to
him what had happened.
1022
01:01:07,931 --> 01:01:14,931
And it fell to me to be the one
to tell Charlie that dawn had died.
1023
01:01:14,965 --> 01:01:17,068
Yeah, I still to this day...
1024
01:01:17,103 --> 01:01:18,482
You know, it chokes me.
1025
01:01:19,551 --> 01:01:21,344
Yeah, it's my girlfriend I lost.
1026
01:01:21,379 --> 01:01:22,689
My partner.
1027
01:01:22,724 --> 01:01:23,965
My soul mate.
1028
01:01:25,413 --> 01:01:26,724
Mmm.
1029
01:01:32,793 --> 01:01:34,551
[Members of
parliament] Hear, hear.
1030
01:01:34,586 --> 01:01:36,586
[Theresa may] With
permission Mr. Speaker,
1031
01:01:36,620 --> 01:01:41,275
I would like to update the house on the
investigation into the attempted murder
1032
01:01:41,310 --> 01:01:43,827
of Sergei and yulia skripal,
1033
01:01:43,862 --> 01:01:47,965
and the subsequent poisoning of
dawn sturgess and Charlie rowley.
1034
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,068
Since then, around
250 detectives
1035
01:01:51,103 --> 01:01:55,620
have trawled through more
than 11,000 hours of cctv
1036
01:01:55,655 --> 01:01:58,862
and taken more than
1,400 statements.
1037
01:01:59,724 --> 01:02:01,379
Working around the clock,
1038
01:02:01,413 --> 01:02:04,586
they have carried out
painstaking and methodical work
1039
01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:08,448
to ascertain exactly which
individuals were responsible
1040
01:02:08,482 --> 01:02:11,482
and the methods they
used to carry out this attack.
1041
01:02:14,689 --> 01:02:17,241
[Neil basu] Today we're
releasing images of two individuals
1042
01:02:17,275 --> 01:02:19,724
Alexander Petrov
and ruslan boshirov.
1043
01:02:19,758 --> 01:02:23,103
They're Russian nationals who traveled
to this country on Russian passports.
1044
01:02:23,137 --> 01:02:25,068
The reason we're releasing
that footage today is
1045
01:02:25,103 --> 01:02:26,551
we need the public's help.
1046
01:02:26,586 --> 01:02:29,758
We strongly believe they
entered this country under aliases.
1047
01:02:29,793 --> 01:02:31,551
Somebody out there
will recognize them.
1048
01:02:31,586 --> 01:02:33,137
Somebody out there knows them.
1049
01:02:33,172 --> 01:02:36,206
We'd like those people to come
forward and tell us who they really are.
1050
01:02:36,241 --> 01:02:37,838
So, what we now know
from the investigation is
1051
01:02:37,862 --> 01:02:41,620
that Petrov and boshirov
come in via Gatwick
1052
01:02:41,655 --> 01:02:44,827
on Friday afternoon
on the 2nd of march.
1053
01:02:46,965 --> 01:02:48,389
[Mills] On the day
of the poisonings,
1054
01:02:48,413 --> 01:02:52,275
you've got these two white
males dressed for the weather,
1055
01:02:52,310 --> 01:02:53,965
and they've got a
backpack with them.
1056
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,482
And we see them
arrive at the train station
1057
01:02:56,517 --> 01:02:59,620
and then ultimately make
their way out of the city.
1058
01:02:59,655 --> 01:03:01,689
We have good lines of inquiry
1059
01:03:01,724 --> 01:03:03,206
to try and establish
who they are,
1060
01:03:03,241 --> 01:03:04,310
but I need the evidence.
1061
01:03:04,344 --> 01:03:05,689
I need somebody to come forward
1062
01:03:05,724 --> 01:03:07,103
and give me their real names.
1063
01:03:09,379 --> 01:03:13,448
[Roman dobrokhotov] They ask
everybody for some more evidence
1064
01:03:14,413 --> 01:03:16,206
about what happened,
1065
01:03:16,241 --> 01:03:19,379
and it was pretty easy for us,
1066
01:03:19,413 --> 01:03:21,413
I mean the insider
and bellingcat,
1067
01:03:21,448 --> 01:03:22,413
to investigate them.
1068
01:03:22,448 --> 01:03:25,655
They made so many
very stupid mistakes.
1069
01:03:25,689 --> 01:03:26,896
My name is Roman dobrokhotov.
1070
01:03:26,931 --> 01:03:28,620
I'm editor-in-chief
of the insider,
1071
01:03:28,655 --> 01:03:31,241
which is Russian
investigative online media.
1072
01:03:34,413 --> 01:03:36,034
We found a lot of information.
1073
01:03:36,068 --> 01:03:37,793
When we started to pull it up,
1074
01:03:37,827 --> 01:03:41,344
we saw these people
in passport database,
1075
01:03:41,379 --> 01:03:44,517
but all the passport
info was empty.
1076
01:03:44,551 --> 01:03:46,586
It means that these
are fake people.
1077
01:03:46,620 --> 01:03:49,344
These are not real identities.
1078
01:03:49,379 --> 01:03:54,482
We learned that boshirov and
Petrov are really mishkin and chepiga.
1079
01:03:54,517 --> 01:03:57,482
Chepiga participated in
the conflict in chechnya.
1080
01:03:57,517 --> 01:04:02,517
Mishkin was a military doctor, so he was
supposed to save, actually, people's lives.
1081
01:04:02,551 --> 01:04:04,034
Not to kill them.
1082
01:04:05,103 --> 01:04:08,517
There is a picture of
chepiga and Vladimir putin
1083
01:04:08,551 --> 01:04:12,689
where Vladimir putin is giving
a medal of hero of Russia,
1084
01:04:12,724 --> 01:04:15,620
handing it directly to chepiga.
1085
01:04:15,655 --> 01:04:21,827
There were absolutely no doubt that
this is an operation controlled by kremlin
1086
01:04:21,862 --> 01:04:23,620
through Russian
military intelligence.
1087
01:04:25,793 --> 01:04:28,000
[Speaking Russian]
1088
01:04:55,551 --> 01:04:57,758
[Speaking Russian]
1089
01:05:01,689 --> 01:05:03,482
Perhaps the most
extraordinary moment
1090
01:05:03,517 --> 01:05:05,931
in some ways in this case was
1091
01:05:05,965 --> 01:05:09,689
the interview the two
Russian gru officers,
1092
01:05:09,724 --> 01:05:10,941
the military
intelligence officers,
1093
01:05:10,965 --> 01:05:12,137
gave on Russia today.
1094
01:05:12,931 --> 01:05:14,758
[Speaking Russian]
1095
01:05:32,413 --> 01:05:33,965
I'm thinking it's
dumb and dumber.
1096
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,458
I think... I... You
know, I don't know
1097
01:05:35,482 --> 01:05:37,034
what the Russians were thinking.
1098
01:05:37,068 --> 01:05:38,862
I mean, they... yeah.
1099
01:05:38,896 --> 01:05:40,344
I'm hugely surprised.
1100
01:05:40,379 --> 01:05:41,793
They were...
1101
01:05:41,827 --> 01:05:44,310
Maybe this was
part of their joke.
1102
01:05:44,344 --> 01:05:47,586
They thought that people
in britain would fall for this.
1103
01:05:48,413 --> 01:05:50,517
[Speaking Russian]
1104
01:05:57,965 --> 01:06:02,103
It's not like James
Bond style spies.
1105
01:06:02,137 --> 01:06:08,448
It's more like Johnny
English kind of spy.
1106
01:06:08,482 --> 01:06:12,310
I think probably in some ways it was
the moment at which the rest of the world
1107
01:06:12,344 --> 01:06:15,137
woke up to the Russian
disinformation campaign
1108
01:06:15,172 --> 01:06:20,379
and realized that actually
what we had been telling them
1109
01:06:20,413 --> 01:06:23,379
about this case and about these
two individuals really was true.
1110
01:06:27,034 --> 01:06:29,251
[Dobrokhotov] But this actually
was only the beginning of the story
1111
01:06:29,275 --> 01:06:34,379
because we didn't believe
that two people is enough
1112
01:06:34,413 --> 01:06:36,034
for this kind of operation.
1113
01:06:36,068 --> 01:06:39,000
So there must be a
team helping them.
1114
01:06:40,206 --> 01:06:41,413
We found a third guy.
1115
01:06:41,448 --> 01:06:43,517
His real name is denis sergeev.
1116
01:06:43,551 --> 01:06:46,448
His fake name is sergey fedotov.
1117
01:06:46,482 --> 01:06:50,896
We found seven other gru agents
participated in the Salisbury poisoning.
1118
01:06:51,724 --> 01:06:54,172
We found a lot of other spies.
1119
01:06:54,206 --> 01:06:56,379
We found chain of command.
1120
01:06:56,413 --> 01:07:02,793
Now we know almost everything about
this program of extrajudicial murders
1121
01:07:02,827 --> 01:07:05,068
by Russian killing squads.
1122
01:07:07,827 --> 01:07:10,413
So, the police investigation
has now got evidence
1123
01:07:11,137 --> 01:07:13,241
to a criminal standard
1124
01:07:13,275 --> 01:07:16,000
of three people
involved in the attack.
1125
01:07:17,689 --> 01:07:21,551
We shouldn't assume that that's
where the investigation finishes,
1126
01:07:21,586 --> 01:07:26,275
and we shouldn't assume that
there were only three people involved.
1127
01:07:26,310 --> 01:07:30,517
Russian military intelligence would
often deploy more people than that
1128
01:07:30,551 --> 01:07:32,379
for overseas assassinations.
1129
01:07:36,344 --> 01:07:39,206
[Alexander yakovenko]
I think this is 1942.
1130
01:07:39,241 --> 01:07:40,896
So there's a war...
[Camera clicking]
1131
01:07:40,931 --> 01:07:42,862
[Charlie] We got invited,
me and my brother,
1132
01:07:42,896 --> 01:07:45,137
to see the Russian
ambassador in London.
1133
01:07:46,448 --> 01:07:49,034
And he seemed very pleasant,
1134
01:07:50,379 --> 01:07:51,965
friendly,
1135
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:57,448
but he was very much
trying to pass the buck,
1136
01:07:57,482 --> 01:07:58,586
so to speak,
1137
01:07:58,620 --> 01:08:00,068
and it was all denial
1138
01:08:00,103 --> 01:08:01,241
all the way.
1139
01:08:01,275 --> 01:08:03,448
For us, this is the
blessing from Russia.
1140
01:08:03,482 --> 01:08:08,137
I asked the ambassador if
his country killed my girlfriend,
1141
01:08:09,310 --> 01:08:11,379
and he said, "no."
1142
01:08:17,586 --> 01:08:19,275
It's my flat.
1143
01:08:19,310 --> 01:08:21,931
It's the first flat
that I've ever had.
1144
01:08:21,965 --> 01:08:23,827
They had to tear it down.
1145
01:08:24,965 --> 01:08:27,517
The perfume bottle that I had
1146
01:08:27,551 --> 01:08:30,034
could have wiped out
thousands of people.
1147
01:08:31,724 --> 01:08:33,103
Thousands of people,
1148
01:08:33,137 --> 01:08:36,965
with the amount of
nerve agent that was
1149
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:41,655
in the perfume
bottle found in my flat.
1150
01:08:41,689 --> 01:08:45,413
What I was told was that they had
discovered that there was nerve agent
1151
01:08:45,448 --> 01:08:47,379
in almost every
room of our house,
1152
01:08:47,413 --> 01:08:50,241
including my youngest
daughter's bedroom.
1153
01:08:50,275 --> 01:08:52,034
[Mills] Wedding rings, watches,
1154
01:08:52,068 --> 01:08:54,482
items from family members...
1155
01:08:54,517 --> 01:08:56,310
We had to say to
Nick and his family,
1156
01:08:56,344 --> 01:08:59,241
"sorry, you can take a couple
of possessions we can test,
1157
01:08:59,275 --> 01:09:02,724
but actually the rest we're gonna
have to, with partners, destroy."
1158
01:09:02,758 --> 01:09:04,241
That was a horrible moment.
1159
01:09:04,275 --> 01:09:07,896
[Nick] You know, the children
lost their toys, their books,
1160
01:09:07,931 --> 01:09:11,241
their clothes,
school certificates...
1161
01:09:11,275 --> 01:09:14,275
They lost everything that
meant something to them.
1162
01:09:14,310 --> 01:09:16,206
We lost everything that
meant something to us.
1163
01:09:17,862 --> 01:09:19,206
We had to move house
1164
01:09:19,241 --> 01:09:21,172
and we did lose about
all of our belongings,
1165
01:09:21,206 --> 01:09:24,862
but I'm incredibly lucky
that that's all we lost.
1166
01:09:29,758 --> 01:09:32,034
[Dr. Haslam] The whole
community was affected by this.
1167
01:09:32,068 --> 01:09:34,517
It was a traumatizing
experience.
1168
01:09:34,551 --> 01:09:36,151
I still feel emotional
thinking about it.
1169
01:09:36,724 --> 01:09:40,275
And I would say I was, um...
1170
01:09:40,310 --> 01:09:41,689
Drained
1171
01:09:41,724 --> 01:09:43,586
physically,
emotionally, mentally
1172
01:09:43,620 --> 01:09:46,482
for probably six
months after this.
1173
01:09:46,517 --> 01:09:48,793
It took a toll on all of us.
1174
01:09:50,655 --> 01:09:54,655
I suppose one of the
really unanswered questions
1175
01:09:54,689 --> 01:09:57,275
about the Salisbury affair is,
1176
01:09:57,310 --> 01:10:00,068
you know, have we
found all of the novichok?
1177
01:10:00,103 --> 01:10:02,827
Was there another
delivery device?
1178
01:10:02,862 --> 01:10:08,517
I personally believe they probably
had a second perfume dispenser
1179
01:10:08,551 --> 01:10:12,655
because, you know, they wanted
to be sure that they'd do a good job.
1180
01:10:12,689 --> 01:10:17,689
I believe that it wasn't the same
bottle that poisoned the skripals
1181
01:10:17,724 --> 01:10:19,896
for the simple reason
the poison turned up
1182
01:10:19,931 --> 01:10:23,310
three months after
the initial poisoning.
1183
01:10:24,034 --> 01:10:25,310
It was in a box,
1184
01:10:25,344 --> 01:10:28,931
a sealed box in
a sealed package,
1185
01:10:28,965 --> 01:10:30,758
which I had to break open
1186
01:10:30,793 --> 01:10:36,206
and physically put two
parts of the pump together
1187
01:10:36,241 --> 01:10:37,655
to make it work.
1188
01:10:40,482 --> 01:10:42,596
[Rebecca] I don't think we know
everything that there is to know
1189
01:10:42,620 --> 01:10:44,827
about the nerve agent attack,
1190
01:10:46,241 --> 01:10:48,655
and part of me thinks we
probably won't ever know
1191
01:10:48,689 --> 01:10:51,206
the full ins and outs
of what happened.
1192
01:10:55,827 --> 01:11:00,931
[Nick] I retired from the
police in October 2018.
1193
01:11:00,965 --> 01:11:05,241
I was medically pensioned
through grounds of ill-health.
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I was deemed not to be able to be
capable of being a police officer anymore
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under mental health reasons
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and psychological reasons
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because of the
Salisbury poisonings.
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[Charlie] I literally
poisoned my girlfriend.
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You know, unknowingly,
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but I still did it.
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Killed my girlfriend.
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You know?
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It's not a good...
Thing to live with.
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Mmm.
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