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You can't understand modern
Ireland without first
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understanding our history.
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Fifty years ago, the nation said
its final farewell
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to Éamon de Valera.
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From his emergence in the run-up
to the Easter Rising,
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until his death in
1975, he had come to personify
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Ireland's difficult
journey to independence.
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The State Funeral was
an opportunity to pay respects
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to a leader who left an indelible
mark on our national story.
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A leader whose legacy to this
day still divides the jury.
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His capacity to bend expectation
to his will and bring the public
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with him was absolutely superb.
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His actions caused a lot of Irish
deaths,
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a lot of needless brutality.
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He was a great statesman.
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A man who embedded a very
reactive, conservative state.
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His willingness to serve Ireland,
making a society where
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there is religious liberties.
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It's hard to know whether he
was a force for good or evil.
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♪ (music builds)
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He had a meteoric rise through
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the ranks of Irish nationalism...
(gunshots)
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and then ruled as the dominant
figure
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in our 20th century history.
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But are we still living in
De Valera's Ireland?
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♪ (dramatic music)
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♪ (rippling piano music)
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Decoding Dev is no easy task.
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Plenty of people have had
a go, myself included.
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I spent a few years of my life
in this library,
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researching and writing
a two-volume biography about
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the man they called The Chief.
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As part of my research, I asked
people to tell me the first word
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that sprang to mind when they
heard the name Éamon de Valera,
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and the results were
a bit surprising.
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At the time of his death,
De Valera's reputation seemed
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unassailable, but 50 years later,
a much more critical
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view has taken root.
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But between hagiography and
hatchet job,
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where lies the history?
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♪ (calm piano music,
film reel clicking)
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To tell this tale, we need to go
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back to the very beginning.
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Éamon de Valera's story begins
when his mother, Kate Coll,
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left rural Limerick for a fresh
start in Manhattan in 1878.
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She was one of millions of people
who sailed into New York
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looking for a better life.
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She found work as a domestic
servant,
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and in late 1882,
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while living in the shadow
of Grand Central Station,
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she gave birth to a child
who would reshape Irish history.
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Six weeks later, he was
baptised in the local church.
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So we have to find the years.
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Okay.
This should be it.
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These are all the records from
'82.
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It should be here somewhere.
Yeah, see?
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There it is!
Okay, there he is, yeah!
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As you can see, the name is
Edward,
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which is obviously English.
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It was changed to Eamon.
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In the actual book?
Yeah.
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And his surname is down as
De Valeros... Yeah. "o s".
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Yes. And that's been corrected as
well, to De Valera. Yes.
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Is it usual for records to be
corrected like that,
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or just if you... When they have
some kind of
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information that is not correct
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in a record, if it's a direct
relative
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of somebody, then they
usually would change it.
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They will correct it, yeah.
Yeah. Okay.
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So... Well, thank you very much.
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Oh, you're very welcome.
Yes. (laughs)
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A misspelt surname is
certainly a little odd.
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Maybe the official records
in the New York City Archives
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could shed more light.
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They contain millions of documents
dating back to the early 1600s.
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Given the scale of the material
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you have here, you must have
something
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on Éamon de Valera.
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I think, yes, we do,
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and I was able to locate the
certificate...
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Wow! 352241, and here it is.
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Wow. So we have a State
of New York birth return.
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This is the actual original...
Sorry, I...
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(laughs) That's so cool.
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Name of child:
George De Valero.
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Hmm. Okay.
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Vivian De Valero, Kate De Valero,
but "maiden name Kate Coll."
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So that is exactly as
we would expect it.
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Birthplace: Ireland, birthplace of
father: Spain,
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father is an artist.
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There doesn't seem to be any
suggestion
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that Kate and Vivian are
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anything other than
a married couple.
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I don't think they even
asked the question.
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They just said "Who's
the name of the mother?
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Who's the name of the father?"
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They write it down on the form,
and that was that.
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The fact that the first
name is incorrect.
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She said subsequently that she
originally wanted
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to call the child George.
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She changed her mind
and gave him the name Edward.
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So it's a little bit odd?
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A little bit odd, yes.
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A lot of mysteries, shall we say.
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There is a correction.
Oh.
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This is a very unusual situation.
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There's a second birth
certificate. Okay.
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Same number.
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And as you can see, it says
there, "corrected certificate".
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Okay. So "Edward de Valera"
with a lowercase d
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and finishing with an a.
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This second version is signed
by Catherine Wheelwright,
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as she was by this stage.
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So this is De Valera's mother. Oh!
Has remarried a man
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called Charles Wheelwright.
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The details are the same,
October 14, 1882.
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The date of the corrected
certificate
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is June the 30th, 1916.
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In 1916, De Valera was
involved in the Easter Rising.
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He was sentenced to death.
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So we know that his mother
campaigned on his behalf
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in the United States. Okay.
That explains
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why she's looking for the
corrected version at this time.
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It doesn't explain why
the original version is incorrect.
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Dr. Murray, you can see
his signature there.
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He is not the man who filled out
this part of the certificate.
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Handwriting is different.
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Quite like that, though, isn't it?
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Now that you say that... Huh.
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So it looks
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very similar to Catherine
Wheelwright...
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Yeah! Or Kate Coll or Kate
De Valera's handwriting,
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doesn't it? It does, doesn't it?
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She filled out
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the original birth return,
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and then it was signed by
Dr. Murray.
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It's all a bit unusual, isn't it?
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I agree. I've seen
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many, many birth certificates,
and this
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is an exceptional situation.
It truly is.
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Kate Coll always said
that the father of her child was
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Vivian De Valera,
an artist who fell into ill health
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and died when his son was just 2.
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The search for the Spanish side
of De Valera's story brings me
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across the Hudson River
to New Jersey.
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This is where Kate Coll says she
married Vivian De Valera
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on the 19th of September, 1881.
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The only problem is there's no
record of that marriage here
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in this church, or in any Catholic
church in New Jersey,
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or in any Catholic church across
the river in New York City.
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And the absent marriage
certificate
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isn't the only bit of missing
paperwork.
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There is no record of Vivian de
Valera entering the United States.
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He's not mentioned in any US
census,
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and there's no record of his
death.
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As far as the official record
goes,
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it's almost as if he didn't exist.
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You might ask, does it matter if
his parents were really married?
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Does it matter who his
father really was?
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But the point is,
it mattered to him.
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It shaped his character.
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And so did his mother's decision
to send him,
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aged just two and a half,
back to Ireland to be
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raised by his grandmother.
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The doubts about his paternity
and his rejection by his mother
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left him with questions about his
identity,
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which would preoccupy him
throughout his long life.
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His uncertain start meant
that Bruree in County Limerick
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was where he he'd call home.
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I was born on the 29th of April,
1927.
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I'm 98 years, but I feel young,
and I would advise everyone,
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go dancing! (both laugh)
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So Mary, this is where
Éamon de Valera, grew up,
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and it was a fairly tough
upbringing, wasn't it?
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It was very, very hard.
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I don't know how he survived it.
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Unfortunately, the grandmother
died when she was only aged 50.
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So he was left then with his
uncle Pat,
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who was a very, very strict man.
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They were very poor.
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Actually, my father
gave them some land.
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That was what they
were depending on.
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They had two or three cows.
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De Valera, then, as he grew up,
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he did every kind of a job in the
farm,
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raking the hay, cutting the hay,
cleaning out the hen house,
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and look after the cows.
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And when they would be milking
the cows,
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he would be reading books.
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He was always reading books.
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He always enjoyed
coming back to Bruree.
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Loved it.
He was happy when he came back.
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He said to me one time,
"Oh," he said, "Mary,
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I would love to go back to that
little home."
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And he said "Sit at the fire and
read a book."
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He said "Mary,
that's what I would love."
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Whatever it was about this place,
it made his character
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because he's unique.
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Where did he get it?
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He got it from here.
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De Valera loved to romanticise his
childhood here in Bruree
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once he'd left the place far
behind him.
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But when he lived here,
he wanted to get out.
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His mother escaped
through the emigrant ship.
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His exit was through education.
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♪ (electronic music)
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(gulls crying)
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An obvious flair for the books
caught the eye
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of the local parish priest who
arranged a scholarship
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to Blackrock College.
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(rugby crowd chanting)
About to turn 16, De Valera moved
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from Limerick to Dublin, a short
distance,
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but a million miles away
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from the world he knew.
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(crowd chanting)
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So Paul, you have the advantage
over me
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'cause you actually had
a face-to-face encounter with Dev.
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Well, I saw him lying
in state, David, it was
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the year I turned five, queued
for what seemed like hours.
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And I whinged the whole way
through,
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but having seen the body,
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I wanted to go back and queue
again.
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It was... it's one of my earliest
memories.
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(crowd cheering, feet stamping)
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Blackrock College, a very elite
sort of an establishment.
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Really not what you'd
expect for de Valera.
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Blackrock is a launching pad
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which defined the rest of his
life.
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He wanted to rise up out of
poverty into the middle classes,
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and he used education as
the conduit to do that.
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(crowd cheering and clapping)
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And this is a guy who has lacked
emotional support
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in both places he'd lived
previously.
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He spoke always of a loneliness
in Bruree, and all the while,
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there's New York,
where his mother is,
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like, thousands of miles away,
that he's separated from.
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(crowd roars)
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But even in Blackrock College,
he was conscious that he needed
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to earn the scholarships
that would keep him there.
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He was always conscious of where
he came from,
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and it marked him apart.
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It takes time,
but there's a gathering momentum
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around his life,
and you can feel it moving on.
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I know you have to be very
careful here not to
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look at that in hindsight and say
it was obvious
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that he was going to come through
it
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in the manner in which he did,
and that
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he would gather momentum.
That wasn't clear.
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He drove himself on.
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(crowd cheering)
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It goes a bit against the grain
that this great Nationalist
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has a real enthusiasm for rugby.
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Oh, he loved rugby and was
always interested in the game.
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Throughout his life,
he retained that interest.
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(crowd cheering, feet stamping)
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(crowd roars)
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He loved playing the game.
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He was good enough to get a trial
for the Munster rugby team
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in a North v South match,
and his opposite number
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outperformed him slightly and
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became an Irish international.
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So that road was almost
taken by de Valera.
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(whistle blows, crowd cheers)
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De Valera strove for excellence
in everything that he did.
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Blackrock is that place where he
revealed once more his ambition,
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his capacity for work.
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People came through those gates
and walked out
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into the professions, and that's
what de Valera wished to do.
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There's this lovely photograph
that really sums up
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Eddie de Valera as he then was.
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It's a group shot,
a couple of lads standing around,
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they're holding rugby balls,
they're about to go off
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and have a game, it looks like.
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And de Valera is the only one
holding a book.
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He has a finger marking
his place in the book.
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A bit of a swot.
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He stayed in Blackrock for his
final years of school,
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and then he stayed here to study
for his university exams,
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but he ended up with a pass
degree,
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which was a huge disappointment to
him.
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The problem was with a pass
degree, he ended up doing
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different bits of part-time
teaching jobs,
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kind of scraping an existence.
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It was for career advancement
that he signed up for classes in
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the Gaelic League to learn Irish.
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They gave him a cause which he
pursued for the rest of his life,
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the restoration
of the Irish language.
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It gave him a new name.
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Eddie de Valera became
Éamon de Valera,
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and most important of all, it gave
him a wife.
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Sinéad Ní Fhlannagáin was his
teacher in the Gaelic League,
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and they got married very soon
after they met.
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Conradh na Gaeilge,
where love stories begin.
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(slide projector clicking)
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By the time he turned 30 in
October 1912,
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he had a permanent teaching
job in Carysfort College.
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He was married with a growing
family, and he seemed destined
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for middle class obscurity.
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But then, everything changed
on the island of Ireland.
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Ulster loyalists pledged to
protect the Union with Britain
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through violence, if necessary.
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Nationalists responded by forming
the Irish Volunteers in 1913,
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determined to see the promise
of independence become a reality.
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Éamon de Valera signed up,
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and his drive and
single-mindedness
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saw him quickly rise
through the ranks.
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♪ (dramatic music)
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(marching feet)
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♪ (gentle music)
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By the time the Rising came along
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in 1916, De Valera was Commandant
of the Third Battalion,
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a key position for what
was about to unfold.
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(gull crying)
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Dev did his homework. He always
did his homework,
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and he did his study, as he always
did his study.
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To avoid suspicion,
he used to take his son Vivian
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with him, he was only
3 or 4 at the time.
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They'd take what looked like
a Sunday stroll, but actually,
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he was assessing the lie of the
land.
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He knew where they'd be able
to find water if they needed it.
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He knew where they'd
be able to find tools.
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He was completely on top
of every single detail.
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The rising began on Easter Monday,
1916, when Irish volunteers
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and the Irish Citizen Army
seized key buildings in Dublin.
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British reinforcements were
expected to arrive
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into Dun Laoghaire.
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De Valera's mission was to stop
them getting into the city
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to attack the main rebel
positions.
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Despite popular legend,
his base wasn't in Boland's Mills.
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It was actually in Boland's
bakery, half a kilometre away
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The site was later occupied
by the headquarters of NAMA,
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ground zero for the
Irish economic crash.
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♪ (sinister music,
building collapsing)
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Some people said in later years
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that de Valera had some kind of a
breakdown in 1916,
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that his nerve went.
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He felt that with his grasp
of detail, he was the only one
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that could look after everything.
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But obviously, if you don't have
any sleep for three or four days,
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that isn't good for your
decision-making.
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While de Valera's position was
shelled, it didn't come under
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direct assault by the British.
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The garrison felt they could fight
on, but reluctantly obeyed
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Pearse's order to surrender.
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They went out, they laid down
their arms,
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they marched out onto
Mount Street.
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And this is one of the sliding
door moments
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in Éamon de Valera's life, and in
Irish history.
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Instead of turning right and going
to Richmond Barracks,
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where the court-martials were
going on,
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they were taken to the left,
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down to Ballsbridge, to the RDS.
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And the point is,
by the time de Valera got
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to Richmond Barracks,
there was a big queue ahead of him
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for court-martials, and that delay
probably saved his life.
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♪ (poignant string music)
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So Liz, what happened here
in 1916 changed Irish history.
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For Éamon de Valera,
he's sentenced to death.
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Yeah. And he expects to die.
Yeah, he does.
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He's court-martialled on the 8th
of May.
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And that day is quite significant
because that's the day
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that Michael Mallin,
Éamonn Ceannt,
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Con Colbert and Seán Heuston are
executed.
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So, you know, there was over 90
going to be executed.
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Those who are sentenced or were
awaiting sentence
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are brought to Kilmainham.
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But by this stage,
you have pressure being put
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on the British government.
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The Prime Minister is starting
to ask the questions
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of the military "Do we need
to actually start executing?"
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But de Valera's sitting in a
cell,
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like so many of them at that
time,
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thinking tomorrow is the day.
They're gonna come,
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you know, first thing in the
morning, that's gonna be me.
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And he fully expected
to die the following day.
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But because you have such a
radical shift in public opinion,
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from one of anger into one of
sympathy, initially, not support,
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but sympathy for the way
the volunteers are being treated,
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Prime Minister Asquith is
starting to ask the questions.
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And it's not that as an American
citizenship,
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is the thing that saves him.
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It's the fact that he is not
seen as an important figure.
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It must have been a really
traumatic time for him.
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He's sitting in his cell writing
his last letter to his wife
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and his children, and never
seeing them again.
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The feeling of anxiety...
the fear... the sounds.
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You're standing even here now.
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Every sound is magnified.
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The waiting game.
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What's gonna happen?
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The most important thing de Valera
did in 1916 was simply to survive.
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As one of the few leaders
of the Rising still alive,
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he was now a credible candidate
to lead Irish Nationalism.
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In the aftermath of 1916,
public opinion in Ireland
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shifted dramatically.
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Republican prisoners sentenced
after the Rising were released,
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and Éamon de Valera rode a wave
of enthusiasm to win
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the East Clare by-election.
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Seen as a unifying figure,
he was chosen to lead Sinn Féin,
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and the party won a landslide
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in the December 1918 general
election.
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The following month,
a breakaway Dáil met in Dublin.
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De Valera was absent,
in prison again.
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A few days later,
he escaped and made his way home,
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but he didn't stay for long.
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As political violence erupted
around the country,
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he decided that the best way to
help the battle
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was to bring the fight to the
country of his birth.
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He crossed the Atlantic for the
second time as a stowaway,
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hidden in the hold of the ship,
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where a rat ate a sandwich
out of his pocket.
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He was so seasick,
it was thought that he might die
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until he was revived
with a drop of brandy.
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And when he arrived into the city
of his birth,
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he had to be smuggled ashore.
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He was a fugitive.
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But all of that was
about to change.
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We're here in a lovely,
peaceful park
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in the middle of New York City.
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But if you were here in 1919, it
would have been a different story.
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You're right. This was the site
of de Valera's
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first rock and roll moment
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in the United States. At a packed
Madison Square Garden,
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some 15,000 people
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were here to hear Éamon de Valera
speak.
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♪ (upbeat jazz drums,
crowd noise)
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♪ (lively jazz music)
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This was De Valera's moment
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as the uncrowned king
of Irish America.
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It really was Dev-mania
because it wasn't just here.
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It was Fenway Park in Boston,
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it was Wrigley Field in Chicago.
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Absolutely massive crowds.
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He was a celebrity, as you would
think of
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in the 21st-century term.
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He lived at the Waldorf Astoria
Hotel,
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which was the home for many
queens and kings
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when they visited New York City.
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And his suite was known
as the Irish White House.
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Women were fainting in his
presence,
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so he had almost like a sex
symbol status.
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Some people accused him of
shirking the War of Independence.
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Is that fair?
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Well, de Valera, perhaps more
than any other politician
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in modern history, recognised
that the Irish question
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was also an American question.
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He sought to incorporate
the United States politically,
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in terms of publicity, and in
terms of the Irish diaspora,
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into raging that war
against the British state.
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De Valera toured the United
States for about 18 months.
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He raised about $65 million
in today's money
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for the nascent Irish Republic.
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And in some respects,
De Valera's financial tour
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of America was his success story.
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But it wasn't all sweetness
and light with some members
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of the Irish-American community.
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De Valera really
met his match here.
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Irish-Americans of long-standing,
most notably John Devoy
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and Judge Daniel Cohalan, who had
led Irish America for decades.
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America wasn't big enough
for all of their egos.
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It's an an Irish-American Civil
War before an Irish Civil War.
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So what about the effect
that America had on de Valera?
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'Cause I'm always conscious
of the Arthur Griffith quote
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that he was a good man
spoiled by America.
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De Valera met great adulation
here on the streets
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of the United States,
especially here in New York.
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But he also met great
tension and great push-back.
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And in some respects,
his lesson learned from America
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was to control the narrative.
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The American education of
Éamon de Valera will influence
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his political career
for decades to come.
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By December 1920, De Valera
had raised a ton of money.
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He'd set up his own organisation
to control Irish America,
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and he'd put Ireland at the top
of the news agenda,
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added to which he'd heard
that there were peace moves
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afoot in Ireland.
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It was time to go home.
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By June 1921,
the War of Independence
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was an effective stalemate.
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Both sides were ready for a truce.
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So de Valera travelled
to a face-to-face meeting
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with the British Prime Minister,
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harbouring Irish hopes for
liberty.
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De Valera came to London,
the heart of the greatest empire
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the world had ever known,
to seek recognition
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of the Irish Republic, which it
quickly became clear
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he wasn't going to get.
488
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,519
David Lloyd George,
the British Prime Minister,
489
00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:13,839
famously unscrupulous,
famously wily, not to be trusted,
490
00:25:13,879 --> 00:25:15,680
and De Valera certainly
didn't trust him.
491
00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:19,000
As far as the British were
concerned, the Irish
492
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,280
were part of the empire.
493
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,879
They owed allegiance to the Crown,
to the King,
494
00:25:22,919 --> 00:25:26,320
and they simply couldn't imagine
a situation where Ireland could
495
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:27,960
become an independent Republic.
496
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,040
It wasn't just about principle.
497
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,280
It wasn't just about the position
of the Crown in Irish life.
498
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,839
There was also practical reasons
for Britain to be concerned
499
00:25:35,879 --> 00:25:37,080
about Irish independence.
500
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,199
If you look at a map
of the British Isles or
501
00:25:39,239 --> 00:25:41,640
the Celtic Archipelago,
as it's more properly known,
502
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,559
you can see that Ireland is
crucial to British security.
503
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,400
If Ireland was in hostile hands,
504
00:25:47,439 --> 00:25:50,040
Britain, militarily,
was indefensible.
505
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,799
♪ (ominous music)
506
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:57,760
Negotiations to reach a deal
opened in London in October,
507
00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:01,040
but controversially,
de Valera decided not to travel.
508
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,199
Instead, five plenipotentiaries
led by Arthur Griffith
509
00:26:04,239 --> 00:26:07,439
and Michael Collins would
negotiate Ireland's future.
510
00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:10,400
WT Cosgrave said it was a team
they were sending over,
511
00:26:10,439 --> 00:26:13,199
and they were leaving their best
player in reserve.
512
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,960
♪ (tense music, gull crying)
513
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,919
By definition, plenipotentiaries
have the power
514
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,799
to sign an agreement with a
foreign government,
515
00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:21,879
but they were also given
instructions by de Valera,
516
00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:24,519
secretly, that they had to refer
back to Dublin
517
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:25,839
before they signed anything.
518
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:30,280
The British had some of the most
seasoned
519
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,360
political negotiators on the
scene.
520
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,239
They'd just negotiated and signed
the Versailles Treaty.
521
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,680
The Irish, by comparison,
were completely inexperienced.
522
00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:42,919
The plenipotentiaries were
under incredible pressure.
523
00:26:43,199 --> 00:26:44,879
Lloyd George turned the screws
524
00:26:44,919 --> 00:26:46,919
right at the end of the
negotiation.
525
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,000
He said "If you don't sign,
there will be war in Ireland
526
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,559
and war within three days."
527
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,839
So they felt they had no time
to refer back to de Valera.
528
00:26:54,879 --> 00:26:55,879
They had to sign.
529
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,760
One of the British delegates said
530
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:00,760
"I am signing my political death
warrant."
531
00:27:00,919 --> 00:27:04,320
Michael Collins said "I am
signing my actual death warrant."
532
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:05,559
And he was right.
533
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,159
♪ (sombre orchestral music)
534
00:27:10,879 --> 00:27:13,360
The plenipotentiaries came back
from London
535
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,239
with the treaty signed, but it
still had to be ratified.
536
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,239
So after the Easter Rising,
the War of Independence,
537
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,839
the battle in London over
the terms of a deal with Britain.
538
00:27:23,479 --> 00:27:27,960
It all came down to a war of words
as the Dáil debated the Treaty.
539
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,559
That debate took place at UCD's
premises in Earlsfort Terrace...
540
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,960
♪ (violins playing)
..now the National Concert Hall.
541
00:27:40,199 --> 00:27:43,760
De Valera saw his role as keeping
everyone in harmony,
542
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:45,680
but the Treaty that came back
from London
543
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,680
introduced a discordant note.
544
00:27:53,479 --> 00:27:55,159
So Gretchen, we're here in the
very room
545
00:27:55,199 --> 00:27:57,159
where the Treaty debates took
place.
546
00:27:57,199 --> 00:27:59,919
And right from the start,
they were emotional,
547
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,439
they were divisive,
they were really, really intense.
548
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,040
Yes. I mean, from the get-go,
549
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,239
it was an extremely emotional
situation.
550
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,080
♪ (orchestra plays dramatic
opening phrase)
551
00:28:15,439 --> 00:28:17,439
The Treaty negotiations were
about
552
00:28:17,479 --> 00:28:19,720
how far are you gonna go to
553
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,280
fight for independence.
Are you gonna go for
554
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,320
a republic at all costs?
555
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:23,600
And certainly, Collins and
Griffith
556
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:24,760
weren't willing to do that.
557
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:26,760
♪ (orchestra plays dramatic
music)
558
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:31,720
Collins argued that the Treaty
gave the freedom
559
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,080
to achieve freedom.
560
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,280
But Republican purists couldn't
swallow
561
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,000
the oath of allegiance to the
King.
562
00:28:39,439 --> 00:28:42,400
De Valera, previously seen
as a moderate, agreed.
563
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:44,720
He wanted the Dáil to reject the
Treaty
564
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,559
and negotiate a better deal.
565
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,760
But his once unassailable
leadership
566
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:50,000
was beginning to crumble.
567
00:28:50,199 --> 00:28:53,040
For so long, he had been able to
rely on
568
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,600
this deferential treatment.
569
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,559
He'd been treated in America as
570
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,799
the President
of the Irish Republic.
571
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,280
He didn't quite understand
that by sending
572
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,439
plenipotentiaries to thrash out
the most
573
00:29:05,479 --> 00:29:09,600
difficult negotiations in the
most terrifying circumstances,
574
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,720
with war being threatened at
every turn,
575
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,879
his own authority was
gonna be undermined.
576
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:19,600
His gamble was that he could
impose his own solution,
577
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,119
impose his own compromise, and
still have everybody behind him.
578
00:29:24,199 --> 00:29:27,199
It was a terrible,
terrible mistake.
579
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,320
♪ (orchestra plays dramatic
music)
580
00:29:30,479 --> 00:29:33,199
Neither side paid much attention
to partition because both
581
00:29:33,239 --> 00:29:35,519
wrongly assumed that a
Boundary Commission
582
00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:37,600
would make Northern Ireland
unviable.
583
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:42,000
The debate was dominated
by division over
584
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,879
the Crown and the oath.
585
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:46,080
Partition was the dog
that didn't bark.
586
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,600
♪ (orchestra plays dramatic
music)
587
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,760
After a month of acrimonious
debate, it was time for the Dáil
588
00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:58,439
to decide, and the result
went against de Valera.
589
00:29:58,919 --> 00:30:01,360
His side lost by just seven votes.
590
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,600
In the emotion of the moment,
De Valera broke down in tears.
591
00:30:07,439 --> 00:30:10,680
He had expected to be able
to control the plenipotentiaries.
592
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,119
He had expected to win
the vote in the cabinet.
593
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,799
He had expected to win the vote in
the Dáil, and he lost all of that.
594
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:20,040
It must have been a shattering
blow for him personally.
595
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:23,239
It was, for the first time
in a long, long time,
596
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,799
an utterly humiliating
experience.
597
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:29,040
This was the issue that dogged
de Valera throughout his life.
598
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,640
♪ (dramatic finish)
599
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:36,919
(audience applauds)
600
00:30:39,879 --> 00:30:42,360
♪ (sombre music)
601
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,559
With the Dáil divided, the two
sides
602
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,360
took their case to the country.
603
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:52,760
(wings flapping)
604
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:58,960
As tempers rose and positions
hardened,
605
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,760
de Valera ramped up the
rhetoric in his public speeches.
606
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,680
Here in Thurles, on St. Patrick's
Day, 1922,
607
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,320
de Valera made the most infamous
of his speeches
608
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:11,879
during those tense months.
609
00:31:12,879 --> 00:31:14,960
He said that if the volunteers
of the future
610
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,119
wanted to complete the
independence struggle,
611
00:31:17,159 --> 00:31:21,879
they'd have to do so over the dead
bodies of their own countrymen.
612
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,919
They would have to wade through
Irish blood, he said,
613
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,559
through the blood of the soldiers
of the Irish government,
614
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,239
and through perhaps the blood
of some of the members
615
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,080
of the government in order
to get Irish freedom.
616
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,919
He said it was a warning.
617
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,720
His opponents, then and now,
said it was incitement.
618
00:31:37,879 --> 00:31:40,239
Either way,
it added fuel to the flames
619
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,080
that were about to consume the
country.
620
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,360
As tensions rose,
the people had their say
621
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,119
in the June general election.
622
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,479
Michael Collins's energetic
campaign won a majority
623
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,080
to his side of the argument.
624
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:59,080
De Valera's anti-Treaty Sinn Féin
salvaged just 36 of the 128 seats.
625
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,159
Just days later,
Republicans in London assassinated
626
00:32:03,199 --> 00:32:06,360
leading Unionist Field Marshal
Sir Henry Wilson.
627
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,439
The British government demanded
action
628
00:32:08,479 --> 00:32:10,360
against anti-Treaty Republicans
629
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,960
who were occupying
the Four Courts in Dublin.
630
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,040
(cannon fires)
631
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,239
Troops loyal to the provisional
government shelled the rebels
632
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,040
and a civil war that would claim
almost 1,500 lives began.
633
00:32:21,199 --> 00:32:22,919
♪ (sombre music)
634
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,040
In the opening weeks,
635
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,720
anti-Treaty forces were quickly
pushed out of urban areas
636
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,640
and reverted to guerrilla fighting
637
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,799
in the south-western corner of the
country.
638
00:32:38,479 --> 00:32:41,640
The Civil War claimed many victims
on both sides,
639
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,400
many of them personally close
to Éamon de Valera,
640
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,600
and here on a remote roadway
in West Cork, Michael Collins.
641
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,439
In a coincidence that would give
rise to many conspiracy theories,
642
00:32:53,479 --> 00:32:57,239
de Valera himself was in this
area just hours before.
643
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,760
So we're sitting in the house
that de Valera was in
644
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:05,519
on the day Michael Collins was
shot just 100 yards away.
645
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,119
Not only are we sitting
at the house,
646
00:33:07,159 --> 00:33:10,159
we're sitting at the table that
Dev sat at
647
00:33:10,199 --> 00:33:12,439
here in Béal na Bláth
648
00:33:12,479 --> 00:33:14,080
on the day that Michael Collins
was shot.
649
00:33:14,199 --> 00:33:15,839
♪ (quiet, sombre music)
650
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,119
When you come here and you look
at the terrain, like...
651
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:24,760
Yeah. It's so close. But how
close did they actually come?
652
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:27,439
Within 30 minutes of each other,
the two men
653
00:33:27,479 --> 00:33:29,280
passed by the same crossroads.
654
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,479
Collins is going further west,
and Éamon de Valera comes
655
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:37,919
from a safe house three or four
miles away, neither man knowing
656
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,280
that they had come to the exact
same location on the same day.
657
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:42,960
And what was he doing here?
658
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,199
Well, I think it's fair to say
that he was here looking to see
659
00:33:45,239 --> 00:33:47,320
could the war be
brought to a conclusion?
660
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,360
This was a room where there was
a big meeting planned between
661
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,879
brigade and divisional officers.
662
00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:53,159
That's what Dev was doing here.
663
00:33:53,199 --> 00:33:56,559
So de Valera is fairly peripheral
then in the Civil War, is he?
664
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,879
Control of the military
operations are Liam Lynch's.
665
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,080
Even in a local setting, even at
Béal na Bláth
666
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:09,119
and at this ambush,
667
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,839
Éamon de Valera has no
real say as to whether
668
00:34:11,879 --> 00:34:13,159
an ambush occurs here.
669
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,280
That's not his role
at this juncture.
670
00:34:17,879 --> 00:34:21,159
From what we can gather, de Valera
is not in favour of the ambush?
671
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:22,199
No.
672
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,720
♪ (sombre music, bird squawks)
673
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,799
His general opinion seems to have
been
674
00:34:26,839 --> 00:34:28,559
that if something would happen to
Collins,
675
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,000
that he might just be replaced by
a weaker man.
676
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,080
So despite what you might be led
to believe
677
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:34,960
by some cinematic representations,
678
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,600
Dev actually had nothing to do
with it.
679
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,720
Dev had nothing to do
with Michael Collins being shot.
680
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,080
There's no Alan Rickman
crying behind a haystack here.
681
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:45,199
And yet a lot of people are still
determined to put
682
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,640
the responsibility
for the Civil War
683
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,559
on Éamon de Valera's shoulders.
Is that fair?
684
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,559
I think it's fair to say
that Éamon de Valera
685
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,479
helped strike the match of the
Civil War.
686
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:55,559
But then the actual activities
that occur in the Civil War,
687
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,760
I think it's very questionable
to the degree to which he has
688
00:34:57,799 --> 00:35:00,519
a lasting amount of control over
that, a major amount of control.
689
00:35:04,879 --> 00:35:08,879
So after Collins's death,
you get this series of events,
690
00:35:08,919 --> 00:35:11,360
a spiral of events that just add
to the bitterness that
691
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,400
lasts for generations.
692
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:14,439
It's in the aftermath, a place
like Béal na Bláth ,
693
00:35:14,479 --> 00:35:16,559
that we're seeing these
tit-for-tat executions.
694
00:35:16,919 --> 00:35:19,680
These really are one of the major
reasons that it's left such
695
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,159
a lasting legacy of kind
of sourness, if you like,
696
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:23,799
in relation to what occurred.
697
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,680
It was an ugly time,
as all civil wars are.
698
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,720
Because of the scars left
by the Civil War,
699
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,720
de Valera could never again be
the undisputed leader
700
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,080
of Irish Nationalism.
701
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,199
Yet, he went on to dominate
Irish politics for 50 years.
702
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,400
After the Civil War, Éamon
de Valera spent a year in jail,
703
00:36:02,439 --> 00:36:05,360
much of it in solitary
confinement,
704
00:36:08,879 --> 00:36:11,239
giving him plenty of time to
think.
705
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,000
Meanwhile, outside these prison
walls, Sinn Féin was becoming
706
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,040
more attached to abstentionism,
707
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,119
the refusal to enter the Dáil
under any circumstances,
708
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:27,199
which meant that even when
de Valera was finally released
709
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,439
from prison, his room to
manoeuvre, politically,
710
00:36:29,479 --> 00:36:31,000
was still restricted.
711
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,320
♪ (urgent orchestral music,
crowd noise)
712
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,199
As far as De Valera was concerned,
it was a question of tactics
713
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,320
rather than principle.
714
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,720
But the Republican purists
in the party refused to consider
715
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,400
entering Leinster House under
any circumstances, whatever.
716
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,799
As far as they were concerned,
it was a partitionist parliament,
717
00:36:50,839 --> 00:36:54,320
and the problem for de Valera was,
that means, in effect,
718
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,199
that there's no political path
forward.
719
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,799
The issue came to a crunch
at a special Sinn Féin Ard Fheis,
720
00:36:59,839 --> 00:37:02,360
de Valera lost in his attempt
to get the party
721
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,360
to change policy, and he walked
out.
722
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,040
In May 1926, he established a new
party, Fianna Fáil,
723
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,080
a more pragmatic political entity.
724
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,879
They completely supplant
Sinn Féin,
725
00:37:14,919 --> 00:37:18,199
and de Valera engages in a bit of
street theatre.
726
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,960
He marches at the head of all the
Fianna Fáil TDs
727
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,559
up to the gates of Leinster House,
728
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,159
demands to be admitted,
729
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:26,239
de Valera says "We will not take
the oath,"
730
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,320
and they're kicked out.
731
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,080
So they march all the way back
across to their offices
732
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:31,879
over on the northside,
733
00:37:31,919 --> 00:37:34,479
and it looks like he's digging his
heels in.
734
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,360
And then Kevin O'Higgins
is assassinated.
735
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:46,000
The murder of the Minister for
Justice
736
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,040
in broad daylight shocked the
country,
737
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,400
and gave the Free State government
738
00:37:49,439 --> 00:37:51,080
the opportunity to crack down
739
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:52,960
on its most strident critics.
740
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,080
(church bell rings)
741
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,600
New laws required election
candidates
742
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,320
to commit to taking the oath.
743
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,760
The policy of abstentionism
had run out of road.
744
00:38:05,879 --> 00:38:08,960
And really, in the end,
there was only one choice to make.
745
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,159
De Valera had fought a civil war
against the Treaty settlement
746
00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:16,159
and the oath which symbolised it,
but now he came face to face
747
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:19,080
with the bitter truth - in order
to get rid of the oath,
748
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,839
he was going to have to take it.
749
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,960
♪ (poignant orchestral music)
750
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:39,360
So, Peter, every TD has
to sign the book.
751
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:40,760
Correct.
752
00:38:40,799 --> 00:38:44,080
And we have books for each
Dáil going back to 1919.
753
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,199
This is the roll book
for the fifth Dáil,
754
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,879
and if we open the book,
we come to the page where
755
00:38:51,919 --> 00:38:54,119
Éamon de Valera signed the roll.
756
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,919
Wow. And that's his signature just
there.
757
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,519
Yeah. You can see it's in quite
large handwriting.
758
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:02,559
It's hugely interesting,
hugely historical, because
759
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,199
it was of huge significance.
760
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,760
Above the signature,
you will more importantly see
761
00:39:12,799 --> 00:39:15,479
the oath that he was swearing
at that time,
762
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:17,199
and that's what caused all the
problems.
763
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,040
This is what caused
the Civil War, right?
764
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,640
Essentially.
In effect, yeah. Yeah.
765
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,640
It's really interesting
what he did.
766
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,439
He took a Bible
that was on the table.
767
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:31,159
He picks it up... Yeah.
Leaves it over by the door...
768
00:39:31,479 --> 00:39:35,960
He covers up the text of the oath
and said "I am signing no oath.
769
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:39,159
I am merely signing the roll
to gain admittance to the Dáil"
770
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:40,239
and he signed his name.
771
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,320
It's bigger than the normal,
because we can actually see
772
00:39:45,439 --> 00:39:48,040
in the subsequent Dáil,
after the following election,
773
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,680
he signs in his usual
very neat handwriting.
774
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:57,280
I think it probably shows that
he's under a fair amount
775
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,799
of emotional stress.
I do.
776
00:39:58,839 --> 00:40:01,680
I think it does highlight the
stress of the moment, and also
777
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:03,680
the significance
of the moment for him.
778
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,559
The other interesting thing,
Peter, is that in 1922,
779
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,239
when the oath was first taken,
780
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,239
it's taken in the Dáil chamber,
and they have to actually
781
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,199
stand up and read out the text.
Yeah.
782
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,919
Whereas here, you're just
signing your name in a book.
783
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,760
Yeah, so I suppose you can see
the progression away
784
00:40:22,799 --> 00:40:24,159
from the oath at that stage.
785
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,640
They were doing it in the privacy
of the clerk's office.
786
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,720
Okay, so if you said it was
an empty formula,
787
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,799
you might have a point.
I think you would.
788
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,280
And the other interesting thing is
that de Valera,
789
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,559
when he signed his name, he told
the clerk
790
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,799
"One day I will have this book
burnt."
791
00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:39,320
Thankfully, he didn't.
792
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:45,680
♪ (calm music)
793
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:55,519
Now that de Valera and Fianna Fáil
were inside the system,
794
00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:58,159
it was only a matter of time
before they took power
795
00:40:58,199 --> 00:40:59,320
in the Free State.
796
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,360
The new movement took root all
over the country,
797
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,199
helped in no small part by
de Valera's new project,
798
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,479
The Irish Press,
799
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:11,680
the newspaper he regarded as
crucial to his political success.
800
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,080
In the 1932 general election,
Fianna Fáil overtook
801
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:19,080
Cumann na nGaedheal for the first
time.
802
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:23,519
It would remain the biggest
party for the next eight decades.
803
00:41:27,879 --> 00:41:30,720
(de Valera)
The programme of Fianna Fáil
804
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,439
has now been definitely adopted
805
00:41:33,479 --> 00:41:36,320
as the national policy
of the Irish people.
806
00:41:36,879 --> 00:41:43,559
Ireland united, Ireland free,
Ireland self-supporting
807
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,119
and self-reliant,
808
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:49,280
Ireland speaking her own
tongue,
809
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,040
and through it giving to the
world her ancient treasures
810
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,320
of Christian Gaelic culture.
811
00:41:56,439 --> 00:42:01,479
These are the ideals to which
enthusiastic young Ireland
812
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:04,080
is now devoting its energy.
813
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:06,040
♪ (emotional orchestral music,
slide projector clicking)
814
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,040
It had taken him 50 years,
but the boy from Manhattan
815
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,239
had finally made it big in
Ireland.
816
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,760
♪ (dramatic orchestral music)
817
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,040
(gulls crying)
818
00:42:42,439 --> 00:42:44,919
Our history has shaped every inch
819
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,119
of the nation in which we live,
and shaped the lives and values
820
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:51,919
of every one of us who call
ourselves citizens.
821
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,159
So what do the people of Ireland
today think of the man
822
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:59,680
whose fingerprints are all over
our revolutionary period,
823
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:03,080
and our first half century of
independence?
824
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:04,720
(applause)
825
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,280
Good evening, and you're
very welcome to St. Patrick's Hall
826
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,479
here in historic Dublin Castle.
827
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:14,439
And you may be wondering,
why are we here?
828
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,559
Well, we're here to consider
the life and the legacy
829
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,559
of the most consequential
figure in 20th century Ireland.
830
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,159
Big claim to make,
but I think there's no doubt
831
00:43:24,479 --> 00:43:27,080
that Éamon de Valera made a
massive impact on Ireland
832
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:29,600
during his extraordinarily long
career.
833
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,479
It was in St. Patrick's Hall
that Éamon de Valera
834
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:34,519
was inaugurated as President
of Ireland,
835
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:37,680
and it was also here,
in 1975,
836
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:40,239
that he lay in state
before his funeral.
837
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,640
It was in this room...
838
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:42,680
(boom)
839
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:49,640
..that tens of thousands of people
filed past the coffin
840
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,119
of the man who was viewed
either as a demigod,
841
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:56,320
or as the devil incarnate.
842
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,519
I was 22 when he died, and
843
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:03,159
I would have walked around
844
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:05,720
the coffin like I saw this
evening,
845
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,400
de Valera and his people at the
time.
846
00:44:08,439 --> 00:44:12,519
So it was a generosity, trying
to help the whole nation.
847
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:18,159
The energy was always just to try
and find employment for people.
848
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:20,479
That's part of the de Valera
legacy
849
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:22,239
and part of the Fianna Fáil
party,
850
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,600
which I am proud to be a member.
851
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,519
So if my da wants to wind me up
and watch me go on a rant,
852
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:31,919
all he had to say to me
853
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,159
was that de Valera was a lovely
man, and I'd be off.
854
00:44:35,479 --> 00:44:38,119
I remember we were attending
a funeral in Whitefriar Street,
855
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:40,439
and as we were walking through
the main entrance,
856
00:44:40,479 --> 00:44:41,839
my dad told me to bless myself.
857
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,559
I did so without looking,
without hesitation.
858
00:44:44,839 --> 00:44:47,479
My dad burst out laughing,
which I thought was strange
859
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,360
until I looked up at the picture.
860
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,159
To my horror, it was
in fact, de Valera.
861
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:53,360
(laughter)
862
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,040
De Valera, who my nanny refers
to as a god,
863
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,760
(laughs) or her family did.
864
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:04,360
To hold him up to such a high
regard means that he is devoid
865
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,119
of criticism, and so to criticise
is to create controversy.
866
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,360
To me, and as a young person
in Ireland today,
867
00:45:10,479 --> 00:45:13,040
who's looking at the poverty
we're still in and looking at all
868
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,280
the issues we're still in,
and there's still the leftover
869
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,159
legacy of the Catholic Church
in Ireland,
870
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,799
I have to think of that,
and I have to use that to frame
871
00:45:20,839 --> 00:45:22,280
how I think of de Valera.
872
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,680
Until we take that radical
position that goes against Dev,
873
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:28,080
heaven forbid, then I think we'll
still be having
874
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:29,799
this same conversation
in 50 years' time.
875
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,600
♪ (quiet orchestral music)
876
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,280
Acutely conscious,
though we all are,
877
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,720
of the misery and desolation
in which the greater part
878
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,960
of the world is plunged,
let us turn aside for a moment
879
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,199
to that ideal Ireland
that we would have.
880
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,799
As an immigrant, the fact that he
was born outside Ireland
881
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:15,439
from an immigrant father,
this man was born half Irish,
882
00:46:15,799 --> 00:46:20,760
but he became full Irish
in his actions and his beliefs.
883
00:46:20,919 --> 00:46:23,000
Saint Patrick came to our
ancestors
884
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,479
1,500 years ago, promising
happiness here,
885
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:29,439
as well as happiness hereafter.
886
00:46:29,799 --> 00:46:33,600
Having children who are Irish,
born and raised here,
887
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,280
of immigrant background,
it was for me a testimony
888
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,119
that a national identity can be
forged not only because of
889
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:43,439
your place of birth, but also
because of your actions.
890
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,439
It was the idea of such an
Ireland -
891
00:46:46,479 --> 00:46:51,159
happy, vigorous, spiritual -
892
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:53,919
that fired the imagination of our
poets;
893
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:58,600
and that made successive
generations of patriotic men
894
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,360
give their lives that they may
win
895
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,640
religious and political liberty;
and that will urge men in our own
896
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,720
and future generations
to die, if need be.
897
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,040
It was a civil war.
898
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,559
His actions caused a lot of
899
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,680
Irish deaths, a lot of needless
war,
900
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:18,439
and needless brutality,
and it fractured,
901
00:47:18,479 --> 00:47:19,879
it splintered our culture.
902
00:47:19,919 --> 00:47:23,559
He was a man defined by
hyper-traditionalism.
903
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,199
He was a man who did not have
enough empathy for certain groups
904
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,400
in Ireland, and a man whose
actions
905
00:47:29,439 --> 00:47:34,479
led a lot of people into despair,
and levels of desolation.
906
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:36,960
..our contribution to humanity.
907
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,919
In my memory, it was always
there.
908
00:47:39,439 --> 00:47:41,720
Even when I was a teeny child,
about five or six,
909
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,080
like, there was God,
910
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:45,320
there was the Church, there was
school,
911
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,400
there was Dev.
912
00:47:46,439 --> 00:47:49,000
My father Tom was
a Fianna Fáil County councillor.
913
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:52,360
His devotion to De Valera was,
well, embarrassing.
914
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:54,600
He was a great statesman.
915
00:47:54,799 --> 00:47:58,600
When we were gaining our
independence and becoming a free,
916
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,799
self-respecting country, that he,
917
00:48:00,839 --> 00:48:02,640
if you just take it even as a
symbol,
918
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,799
was a very, very good person to
represent.
919
00:48:04,839 --> 00:48:07,960
He was very, very clever and
politically very pragmatic,
920
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,519
though very, very flawed.
921
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,680
Dev, as the only surviving leader
of the 1916 Rising,
922
00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:16,400
then went on to reject
a Dáil vote
923
00:48:16,439 --> 00:48:19,199
accepting the Treaty and
rejecting the results
924
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,760
of the June 1922 general
election,
925
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:24,159
hardly the stance of a democrat.
926
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,799
He had a now kind of
unacknowledged charisma.
927
00:48:26,839 --> 00:48:29,000
He had an ability to manipulate
and manoeuvre the media
928
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,720
and his public image that is
Machiavellian,
929
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:31,799
that is modern, really.
930
00:48:32,839 --> 00:48:36,720
His capacity to bend expectation
to his will and bring the public
931
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,519
with him was absolutely superb,
but he kind of used
932
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:42,239
that skillset to, more often than
not,
933
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,280
bring the Irish people on the
wrong road.
934
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,119
(applause)
935
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,439
It wasn't all his fault,
but he was the leader,
936
00:48:50,479 --> 00:48:52,439
and if you're the leader,
you get the blame.
937
00:48:55,559 --> 00:49:00,360
Between 1932 and 1959,
when he was elected President,
938
00:49:00,479 --> 00:49:02,960
Éamon de Valera,
dominated Dáil Éireann.
939
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,760
And the Fianna Fáil party he
founded remained
940
00:49:06,799 --> 00:49:10,000
the most popular political force
of the 20th century.
941
00:49:10,799 --> 00:49:13,960
De Valera himself spent 21 years
of his career
942
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,040
as head of government, a record
that will surely never broken.
943
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:21,720
But after a rise punctuated
by demoralising defeats
944
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,519
and compelling comebacks, how does
his rule stand the test of time?
945
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,839
It's a time still
of embedded patriarchy.
946
00:49:30,439 --> 00:49:33,159
He was absolutely defining
Irishness as something that was
947
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:34,720
not beholden to the Crown.
948
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:37,479
We were desperately,
desperately poor.
949
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,320
The economic war had
a devastating impact.
950
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,680
There isn't really anything you
can say to defend
951
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:45,159
going to pay condolences on the
death of Adolf Hitler.
952
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:46,960
The Magdalen laundries,
953
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,040
if you said that there was
slavery in de Valera's Ireland,
954
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,159
most people would go "No, look,
that's a terrible thing to say,"
955
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:52,239
but it's just true.
956
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,119
♪ (dramatic orchestral music)
957
00:50:35,919 --> 00:50:37,960
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