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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:31,041 --> 00:00:35,082 (Low reverberating note) 2 00:00:35,166 --> 00:00:39,332 (Don Letts) Punk rock is the spirit that can inform whatever you do. 3 00:00:39,416 --> 00:00:41,541 (♪ "God Save the Queen", The Clash) 4 00:00:41,625 --> 00:00:44,666 It's about how you do what you do. 5 00:00:48,250 --> 00:00:51,833 Being prepared to turn left when everyone else is going right. 6 00:00:51,916 --> 00:00:54,207 (9 "White Man", The Clash) 7 00:00:54,291 --> 00:00:56,582 Not taking anything at face value. 8 00:00:58,083 --> 00:01:01,208 Punk rock gives you the license to be all you can be. 9 00:01:01,291 --> 00:01:03,457 (I "Beaming", Roots Radics') 10 00:01:05,208 --> 00:01:07,166 It's about turning problems into assets. 11 00:01:08,125 --> 00:01:10,791 And as a first generation British born black, 12 00:01:10,875 --> 00:01:12,833 that's something I know a lot about. 13 00:01:15,708 --> 00:01:17,666 (♪ "London Calling", The Clash) 14 00:01:37,416 --> 00:01:39,999 ♪ London calling to the faraway towns 15 00:01:40,083 --> 00:01:43,833 ♪ Now war is declared and battle come down 16 00:01:43,916 --> 00:01:47,457 ♪ London calling to the underworld 17 00:01:47,541 --> 00:01:51,332 ♪ Come out of the cupboard, you boys and girls 18 00:01:51,416 --> 00:01:54,874 ♪ London calling, now don't look to us 19 00:01:54,958 --> 00:01:58,541 ♪ Phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust 20 00:01:58,625 --> 00:02:02,000 ♪ London calling, see we ain't got no swing 21 00:02:02,083 --> 00:02:05,708 ♪ Except for the ring of the truncheon thing 22 00:02:05,791 --> 00:02:09,332 ♪ The ice age is coming, the sun's zooming in 23 00:02:09,416 --> 00:02:12,957 ♪ Meltdown expected, the wheat is growing thin 24 00:02:13,041 --> 00:02:16,416 ♪ Engines stop running, but I have no fear 25 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:21,833 ♪ 'Cause London is drowning I live by the river 26 00:02:21,916 --> 00:02:25,416 ♪ London calling to the imitation zone 27 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:29,125 ♪ Forget it, brother, you can go it alone 28 00:02:29,208 --> 00:02:32,541 ♪ London calling to the zombies of death 29 00:02:32,625 --> 00:02:36,166 ♪ Quit holding out and draw another breath 30 00:02:36,250 --> 00:02:39,791 ♪ The ice age is coming, the sun's zooming in 31 00:02:39,875 --> 00:02:43,125 ♪ Engines stop running, the wheat is growing thin 32 00:02:43,208 --> 00:02:46,874 ♪ A nuclear era, but I have no fear 33 00:02:46,958 --> 00:02:52,374 ♪ 'Cause London is drowning I, I live by the river 34 00:02:52,458 --> 00:02:54,374 ♪ London calling 35 00:02:59,375 --> 00:03:02,833 ♪ I never felt so much alike, alike, alike, alike... ♪ 36 00:03:04,458 --> 00:03:06,874 I grew up in a two up, two down in Brixton. 37 00:03:06,958 --> 00:03:10,374 Brixton was kind of cool back then. We had an attitude. We had a look. 38 00:03:10,458 --> 00:03:12,416 (8 "Lord Deliver Us", Alton Ellis) 39 00:03:13,666 --> 00:03:16,499 (Don Letts) Brixton in the early "70s was like little Jamaica. 40 00:03:18,291 --> 00:03:20,124 You're walking down Railton Road, 41 00:03:20,208 --> 00:03:22,208 which is the main drag through the area 42 00:03:22,291 --> 00:03:26,124 and there's Rasta brethren on the street, there's people selling... 43 00:03:28,541 --> 00:03:30,999 The record shop where you go every Friday night 44 00:03:31,083 --> 00:03:33,166 with your hard-earned money or your dole money 45 00:03:33,250 --> 00:03:35,208 and try and buy the latest releases. 46 00:03:37,958 --> 00:03:42,041 And it was just a tremendous sense of community, no racial tension. 47 00:03:42,125 --> 00:03:44,791 None of that. Left to our own devices, 48 00:03:44,875 --> 00:03:49,708 this kind of multicultural combination of misfits kind of got on. 49 00:03:51,166 --> 00:03:54,082 (Desmond Coy) And I mean, racism, it was there. 50 00:03:54,166 --> 00:03:57,666 You see the thing on the walls, you know, "wogs go home" 51 00:03:57,750 --> 00:04:02,416 or what's the other one? The National Front stuff. NF things. 52 00:04:02,500 --> 00:04:05,125 We knew it was there, but we didn't really check it. 53 00:04:05,208 --> 00:04:07,374 It certainly didn't affect me. 54 00:04:07,458 --> 00:04:09,458 (Don Letts) When you went down the dole office, 55 00:04:09,541 --> 00:04:12,666 there wasn't one queue for black people and one queue for white people. 56 00:04:12,750 --> 00:04:15,125 We were all in the same boat together. 57 00:04:15,208 --> 00:04:21,249 I got to say that I got the reputation of being a freak in Brixton. 58 00:04:21,333 --> 00:04:23,832 (Desmond Coy) Because he'd be wearing eye shadow 59 00:04:23,916 --> 00:04:26,791 and fucking earrings all over the place. 60 00:04:26,875 --> 00:04:28,791 And my friends would see him and say, 61 00:04:28,875 --> 00:04:31,250 "Desmond, what's wrong with Don? What's wrong your brother? 62 00:04:31,333 --> 00:04:34,833 "How come he's wearing makeup and fucking dressing like that?" 63 00:04:34,916 --> 00:04:39,124 He was just weird, but he was into that Bowie shit, you know? 64 00:04:39,208 --> 00:04:40,749 So what can you say? 65 00:04:41,875 --> 00:04:46,416 Very soon, I started to wander over to the King's Road, Chelsea. 66 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:47,916 (♪ "You've Got a Woman", Lion) 67 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,750 (Don Letts) In the early '70s, that was the most counterculture, 68 00:04:50,833 --> 00:04:52,249 happening place you could go. 69 00:04:52,333 --> 00:04:56,166 So I'm looking for more inspiration, information, whatever you want to call it, 70 00:04:56,250 --> 00:04:59,958 and eventually ended up working in a place called The Jean Machine. 71 00:05:00,041 --> 00:05:02,041 (Disco music) 72 00:05:04,375 --> 00:05:07,041 That was blinding because this is where all the freaks were - 73 00:05:07,125 --> 00:05:11,208 dykes, the gay crew and people that were in between... 74 00:05:11,291 --> 00:05:13,124 It was all about hedonism. 75 00:05:13,208 --> 00:05:15,559 (♪ "My Girl Is a Soul Girl", Lon Rogers & The Soul Blenders) 76 00:05:15,583 --> 00:05:18,916 (Don Letts) The club scene was a big part of it. Soul started to come into the mix. 77 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,166 Soul was big. Everyone was listening to soul. 78 00:05:21,250 --> 00:05:23,000 The hip crowd was listening to soul 79 00:05:23,083 --> 00:05:26,624 and the white working-class kids were also listening to soul. 80 00:05:28,458 --> 00:05:30,333 And I'm going to lots of gigs now. 81 00:05:30,416 --> 00:05:32,916 I'm seeing Stevie Wonder, Barry White. 82 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,958 I'm seeing The Stylistics. 83 00:05:35,041 --> 00:05:36,916 I remember seeing Marvin Gaye one time. 84 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,708 (♪ "What's Going On", Marvin Gaye) 85 00:05:38,791 --> 00:05:41,916 I'm in the audience and he's doing his thing and I'm thinking, "Okay, Marvin, 86 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,000 "you're there doing your thing, and that's great, but what am I?" 87 00:05:45,083 --> 00:05:46,916 ♪ Mother, mother... 88 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,083 (Don Letts) "Where do I fit in the scheme of things? 89 00:05:49,166 --> 00:05:51,541 "How do I empower myself?" 90 00:05:53,208 --> 00:05:55,416 I remember consciously thinking about that, 91 00:05:55,500 --> 00:05:58,000 not knowing quite how to put it into action. 92 00:05:58,083 --> 00:06:00,041 (Sustained guitar strums) 93 00:06:00,125 --> 00:06:03,875 (Desmond Coy) Don was about three years younger than me, I guess. 94 00:06:03,958 --> 00:06:08,458 But Don was like... let me see now... he was like... He was fat. 95 00:06:09,416 --> 00:06:12,166 A fat motherfucker, and he was a pain in the neck. 96 00:06:12,250 --> 00:06:14,875 He thought he knew it all. You know, that kind of shit. 97 00:06:16,250 --> 00:06:18,583 He'd kind of sharpened up. He lost a lot of weight. 98 00:06:18,666 --> 00:06:20,541 Once he lost weight, he was different. 99 00:06:20,625 --> 00:06:23,083 From that fat motherfucker, he's now a young guy 100 00:06:23,166 --> 00:06:25,406 and he's working in the King's Road and he was happening. 101 00:06:26,416 --> 00:06:30,499 And he was a good dancer. As a good dancer, you pull girls. 102 00:06:30,583 --> 00:06:33,749 (Don Letts) So in between clubbing in the night-time, seeing lots of girls, 103 00:06:33,833 --> 00:06:37,208 and seeing even more selling jeans in the shop in the daytime, 104 00:06:37,291 --> 00:06:41,374 I was having a pretty good time in the kind of early '70s. 105 00:06:41,458 --> 00:06:44,258 So I quit The Jean Machine because they had branches all over the place 106 00:06:44,291 --> 00:06:47,082 and they wanted to move me somewhere like Richmond, 107 00:06:47,166 --> 00:06:50,249 which definitely wasn't so hip. So I quit The Jean Machine 108 00:06:50,333 --> 00:06:53,958 and again found myself wandering up and down the King's Road, Chelsea, 109 00:06:54,041 --> 00:06:59,707 and I stumbled into this place called Too Fast To Live, Too Young To Die. 110 00:06:59,791 --> 00:07:01,416 Or it could have been Let it Rock 111 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:05,250 because Malcolm and Vivienne were always changing the names around. 112 00:07:05,333 --> 00:07:10,583 I walked into this kind of Aladdin's cave of counterculture. 113 00:07:10,666 --> 00:07:12,916 There was a bit of rubber and leather gear. 114 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,958 There was some Teddy Boy stuff. 115 00:07:15,041 --> 00:07:17,791 But it was very intimidating. It wasn't kind of user friendly. 116 00:07:17,875 --> 00:07:20,500 I mean, no one ran up and said, "Can I help you, sir?" 117 00:07:20,583 --> 00:07:24,666 But it was something about this place and I quickly struck up a conversation 118 00:07:24,750 --> 00:07:26,458 with both Vivienne and Malcolm. 119 00:07:26,541 --> 00:07:30,374 Soon after I struck up this friendship with them, Malcolm went to the States 120 00:07:30,458 --> 00:07:32,624 to manage the New York Dolls. 121 00:07:33,666 --> 00:07:35,874 I spent quite a few months with Vivienne. 122 00:07:35,958 --> 00:07:38,874 One evening she took me to see Lou Reed. 123 00:07:38,958 --> 00:07:41,041 I'm wearing like an electric blue zoot suit 124 00:07:41,125 --> 00:07:44,500 and she's wearing a translucent rubber catsuit. 125 00:07:47,208 --> 00:07:51,458 Got a great education from those two. It was very fortuitous meeting Malcolm 126 00:07:51,541 --> 00:07:54,374 'cause it was Malcolm that really showed me 127 00:07:54,458 --> 00:07:57,083 that these subcultures that I was so enamored with... 128 00:07:58,791 --> 00:08:00,499 ...they didn't happen in isolation. 129 00:08:00,583 --> 00:08:04,374 They had kind of a tradition and a heritage. 130 00:08:04,458 --> 00:08:09,333 What I gleaned from that was that if I had an idea and I was brave enough 131 00:08:09,416 --> 00:08:13,291 that maybe I could be part of this thing too. 132 00:08:14,708 --> 00:08:18,749 (Desmond Coy) It was that period when he started doing his locks. 133 00:08:18,833 --> 00:08:22,583 He started to grow his locks because he had a big afro then. 134 00:08:22,666 --> 00:08:26,416 Hanging out with Viv and Malcolm was cool but I needed to make some money. 135 00:08:26,500 --> 00:08:28,750 Viv actually offered me a job at one time, 136 00:08:28,833 --> 00:08:32,374 but I really couldn't see me in rubber tights and high heels. 137 00:08:32,458 --> 00:08:34,499 It wasn't for me. It was a step too far. 138 00:08:34,583 --> 00:08:40,041 And eventually I got a job managing a store called Acme Attractions. 139 00:08:40,125 --> 00:08:41,958 (I "Take a Ride Version", Dub Specialist) 140 00:08:42,041 --> 00:08:46,082 Upstairs it was kind of fuddy duddy, genuine old antiques. 141 00:08:46,166 --> 00:08:49,957 And then there was me on this one stall with my kind of demob suits, 142 00:08:50,041 --> 00:08:54,832 '60s clothing and a jukebox that was pumping hardcore dub reggae, 143 00:08:54,916 --> 00:08:58,624 which pissed all the old fogeys off, really drove them up the wall. 144 00:08:58,708 --> 00:09:03,041 So eventually they gave us a space in the basement to get rid of us. 145 00:09:03,125 --> 00:09:07,666 And that's when Acme Attractions really came into its own. 146 00:09:07,750 --> 00:09:11,500 (Norman Jay) Acme Attractions was a legendary clothes shop 147 00:09:11,583 --> 00:09:13,833 in the King's Road in the '70s. 148 00:09:13,916 --> 00:09:18,041 It was the cutting edge of London street wear at the time. 149 00:09:19,458 --> 00:09:24,249 I can remember seeing Don, because he was strikingly good-looking, 150 00:09:24,333 --> 00:09:26,499 proper lady killer, you know. 151 00:09:26,583 --> 00:09:28,623 And I guess at the time, I was quite envious of him. 152 00:09:28,666 --> 00:09:31,666 Even though we didn't know him, in those days if you saw 153 00:09:31,750 --> 00:09:36,250 a non-white face working in those shops, there had to be something about them. 154 00:09:36,333 --> 00:09:40,708 There weren't many black people around who were crossing over 155 00:09:40,791 --> 00:09:43,249 all the roads that there were to cross, you know? 156 00:09:46,125 --> 00:09:48,392 (Don Letts) People would come down there for three things - 157 00:09:48,416 --> 00:09:51,707 the clothes we were selling, the music we were playing 158 00:09:51,791 --> 00:09:56,957 or to meet Jeanette, who was then my girlfriend. 159 00:09:57,041 --> 00:10:00,124 We'd met during the soul scene a few years previous. 160 00:10:00,208 --> 00:10:04,374 I'd taken a shine to her and asked her to come and work with me in the shop. 161 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:09,500 (Jeannette Lee) Don was very charismatic, charming, arrogant, 162 00:10:09,583 --> 00:10:13,083 very smart, funny, quite cocky. 163 00:10:14,500 --> 00:10:17,375 There was definitely an attraction. 164 00:10:17,458 --> 00:10:19,499 I started seeing him immediately. 165 00:10:19,583 --> 00:10:22,833 I'd never had a proper boyfriend before. He was my first boyfriend. 166 00:10:23,791 --> 00:10:30,124 Acme became like a meeting place for all the misfits, peacocks and rude boys 167 00:10:30,208 --> 00:10:32,166 because we were blasting out reggae, 168 00:10:32,250 --> 00:10:35,500 which attracted a really unusual crowd. 169 00:10:35,583 --> 00:10:38,166 It really was more like a social club. 170 00:10:38,250 --> 00:10:41,791 John Lydon would come in. Sid would come in. 171 00:10:41,875 --> 00:10:44,750 Bob Marley came. Don got quite friendly with him. 172 00:10:44,833 --> 00:10:50,458 Rod Stewart, Debbie Harry, Hall & Oates, you know, just endless. 173 00:10:51,541 --> 00:10:54,832 And then after about six weeks of seeing each other 174 00:10:54,916 --> 00:10:57,999 every single day and every single night, 175 00:10:58,083 --> 00:11:00,541 he sprang it on me. 176 00:11:01,666 --> 00:11:07,916 He was married and that his wife was away in America for two months. 177 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,708 And she was coming back the very next day. 178 00:11:11,708 --> 00:11:15,041 I was in my early teens when I married Marilyn. We shouldn't have done it. 179 00:11:15,125 --> 00:11:17,625 We were far too young and I was far too volatile. 180 00:11:17,708 --> 00:11:20,208 Didn't know where the hell I was going. 181 00:11:21,250 --> 00:11:24,916 That whole scene that was going on on the King's Road, Chelsea 182 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,041 was against a backdrop of social crisis in the mid '70s. 183 00:11:29,125 --> 00:11:33,583 We're talking about mass unemployment, three day weeks, strikes. 184 00:11:33,666 --> 00:11:37,999 The bin men aren't collecting the rubbish. It was absolute turmoil. 185 00:11:39,375 --> 00:11:41,750 We were feeling the pressure on the streets, 186 00:11:41,833 --> 00:11:45,249 specifically under 'Sus law', which just gave policemen permission 187 00:11:45,333 --> 00:11:48,666 to pull up anybody they want to if they looked suspicious. 188 00:11:48,750 --> 00:11:51,083 And of course, everybody black looked suspicious. 189 00:11:51,166 --> 00:11:53,582 So you're getting hassled all the fucking time. 190 00:11:53,666 --> 00:11:55,749 (Quiet dramatic music) 191 00:12:00,625 --> 00:12:02,267 It got to the point where I'd be driving my car 192 00:12:02,291 --> 00:12:04,499 and if I saw a cop tailing me from behind, 193 00:12:04,583 --> 00:12:06,916 I'd stop before they pulled me up and I'd be like, 194 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,833 "Officer, please, you're making me nervous. 195 00:12:08,916 --> 00:12:10,916 "I can't drive. Do you want something or not?" 196 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,875 And I hit them with my best English, which would always freak 'em out. 197 00:12:14,958 --> 00:12:17,198 Another tactic I used is when they stop me on the street, 198 00:12:17,250 --> 00:12:21,250 I'd have hands spread-eagled, like in the American cop films. 199 00:12:21,333 --> 00:12:23,333 Sometimes it got a bit more extreme 200 00:12:23,416 --> 00:12:25,416 where they'd pull me up and I'd jump out of my car 201 00:12:25,500 --> 00:12:27,541 and jump on the bonnet or the roof of my car, 202 00:12:27,625 --> 00:12:30,250 start taking my clothes off, you know, screaming, 203 00:12:30,333 --> 00:12:31,999 "Why are you crucifying me again?", 204 00:12:32,083 --> 00:12:35,208 to get an audience to take control of the situation. 205 00:12:35,291 --> 00:12:38,374 Having said that, if you got stopped by cops on your own at night, 206 00:12:38,458 --> 00:12:42,499 forget about it. It was "Yes, sir, no, sir, three bags full, sir." 207 00:12:43,791 --> 00:12:48,541 Don was very erm... take no shit... from nobody. 208 00:12:48,625 --> 00:12:52,250 Whoever it is, police, whatever, and nothing will stop him. 209 00:12:53,166 --> 00:12:56,082 He's as good as the next man. 210 00:12:56,166 --> 00:12:58,749 Back in those days if... 211 00:12:58,833 --> 00:13:01,333 A black man with a car meant he was a drug dealer, 212 00:13:01,416 --> 00:13:05,082 meant he was a pimp, meant that he was the villain. 213 00:13:05,166 --> 00:13:08,291 Black guy had a car, pull him over. 214 00:13:08,375 --> 00:13:10,541 He must have stolen it. 215 00:13:10,625 --> 00:13:15,166 (Jazzie B) So, the landscape, racially, I guess there was a lot of ignorance. 216 00:13:15,250 --> 00:13:19,083 And for us, being the generation born and raised here, 217 00:13:19,166 --> 00:13:23,207 it wasn't about trying to fit in and be part of it, you know. 218 00:13:23,291 --> 00:13:26,957 For none of us, it weren't that. We had a different fight. 219 00:13:27,041 --> 00:13:29,249 That was the thing about the racial climate in Britain. 220 00:13:29,333 --> 00:13:32,749 It was pretty on fire when it came to dealing with the authorities 221 00:13:32,833 --> 00:13:34,458 like the police and stuff like that. 222 00:13:34,541 --> 00:13:37,624 And I guess that would really manifest itself 223 00:13:37,708 --> 00:13:41,583 in the first riots in Notting Hill. 224 00:13:41,666 --> 00:13:44,916 That day, the riot in Notting Hill Carnival, 225 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,500 oh man, I've never been so frightened in my life. 226 00:13:47,583 --> 00:13:51,124 Police was just running through the crowd and hitting people. 227 00:13:51,208 --> 00:13:54,249 I didn't know what happened. People just started rioting. 228 00:13:55,333 --> 00:13:58,333 (Don Letts) That riot actually started around the arrest of a pickpocket 229 00:13:58,416 --> 00:14:00,582 or the attempted arrest of a pickpocket, 230 00:14:00,666 --> 00:14:04,582 and the cops jumped in somewhat heavy handedly. 231 00:14:04,666 --> 00:14:07,541 But it wasn't really about the pickpocket. 232 00:14:07,625 --> 00:14:11,875 It was about the bullshit that we'd had to put up with the whole rest of the year. 233 00:14:11,958 --> 00:14:16,333 This tension was bubbling. It was like a pressure cooker that had to go off. 234 00:14:17,333 --> 00:14:21,249 The truth is, we were looking for any excuse to let it out, man. 235 00:14:21,333 --> 00:14:24,166 (Slow-paced bass heavy guitar music) 236 00:14:26,208 --> 00:14:32,499 And it might sound like a weird thing to say, but it was a beautiful day. 237 00:14:38,625 --> 00:14:40,750 My father, St Leger Letts - 238 00:14:40,833 --> 00:14:43,458 named after a horse race, can you believe it? 239 00:14:44,833 --> 00:14:50,499 And my mother, Valerie Letts, came over on the Queen Mary in 1955. 240 00:14:50,583 --> 00:14:55,291 My father found work driving a bus and my mother, she was a seamstress. 241 00:14:56,458 --> 00:15:01,083 I was born a year later, 1956, in the Royal Borough of Kensington. 242 00:15:02,125 --> 00:15:04,250 It was six of us altogether. 243 00:15:05,583 --> 00:15:07,624 My mother and father, 244 00:15:08,916 --> 00:15:10,832 me and Norman, 245 00:15:12,250 --> 00:15:14,666 Desmond, who is a child from her side, 246 00:15:14,750 --> 00:15:17,458 and Derek, a child from my father's side. 247 00:15:17,541 --> 00:15:19,541 That was the thing about my parents' generation. 248 00:15:19,625 --> 00:15:24,333 It was all about the kids. I mean, their lives stopped at like 20, 21 - 249 00:15:24,416 --> 00:15:26,332 partying, having a good time - forget about it. 250 00:15:26,416 --> 00:15:30,082 All they lived for was making sure their kids were well-dressed, 251 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,250 well-fed and well-educated. 252 00:15:35,583 --> 00:15:39,833 The first school I went to was Christchurch Primary School. 253 00:15:39,916 --> 00:15:43,166 You know, I remember bonding with this guy, who was it...? Jeffrey Love. 254 00:15:43,250 --> 00:15:46,541 He was my best mate. You know, we were going to be friends for life. 255 00:15:47,875 --> 00:15:52,916 We even did the blood brothers thing. Innocent kids, innocent times. 256 00:15:53,791 --> 00:15:57,249 The whole racial thing didn't come into it. It's like it didn't exist. 257 00:15:57,333 --> 00:15:58,791 Even when there was trouble, 258 00:15:58,875 --> 00:16:01,916 they didn't revert to colour-coded insults. 259 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,666 That changed dramatically when I went to my secondary school, 260 00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:08,833 Archbishop Tenison's by the Oval. 261 00:16:08,916 --> 00:16:10,541 (Lighter clicking) 262 00:16:14,125 --> 00:16:17,750 In 1968, Enoch Powell, 263 00:16:17,833 --> 00:16:21,166 he made something called "The Rivers of Blood" speech. 264 00:16:21,250 --> 00:16:24,583 In 15 or 20 years' time, 265 00:16:24,666 --> 00:16:29,707 the black man will have the whip hand over the white man. 266 00:16:29,791 --> 00:16:33,791 Before that speech, me and my friends were all getting on in the playground. 267 00:16:33,875 --> 00:16:38,416 The minute he dropped that statement, the whole landscape changed. 268 00:16:38,500 --> 00:16:40,625 Politics came into play. 269 00:16:40,708 --> 00:16:44,416 All of a sudden, I wasn't their mate Lettsy. I was "you black bastard." 270 00:16:44,500 --> 00:16:48,208 And life was never the same after that. I've been called everything 271 00:16:48,291 --> 00:16:52,624 from the obvious 'black bastard', 'golliwog', 'nigger', 272 00:16:52,708 --> 00:16:57,041 'brillo bonce', 'kitty kat eater' and so on and so forth. 273 00:16:57,125 --> 00:16:58,875 And this was relentless. 274 00:16:58,958 --> 00:17:00,958 The saving grace for me was that 275 00:17:01,041 --> 00:17:05,041 by this time the whole civil rights thing was going on in America. 276 00:17:05,125 --> 00:17:06,541 1968 we're talking about. 277 00:17:06,625 --> 00:17:08,851 I mean, the world was bloody exploding all over the place. 278 00:17:08,875 --> 00:17:12,000 And that James Brown song "Say It Loud I'm Black and I'm Proud.".. 279 00:17:12,083 --> 00:17:13,749 ♪ Say It Loud 280 00:17:13,833 --> 00:17:15,458 ♪ I'm Black and I'm Proud... I 281 00:17:15,541 --> 00:17:17,999 ...really empowered me and made me realise 282 00:17:18,083 --> 00:17:22,416 that I wasn't the poor relation, that I had something to bring to the party. 283 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:27,041 They'd call me a 'black bastard' and I'd go, "Yeah, that's right. Now what?" 284 00:17:27,125 --> 00:17:31,958 So, on one hand, you got Enoch Powell "Rivers of Blood." 285 00:17:32,041 --> 00:17:34,082 On the other hand, you've got James Brown. 286 00:17:34,166 --> 00:17:37,749 "Say It Loud I'm Black and I'm Proud." And that's what I went with. 287 00:17:37,833 --> 00:17:39,041 ♪ Say it loud 288 00:17:39,125 --> 00:17:40,541 ♪ I'm black and I'm proud 289 00:17:40,625 --> 00:17:43,291 ♪ One more time... Say it loud 290 00:17:43,375 --> 00:17:44,791 ♪ I'm black and I'm proud... ♪ 291 00:17:44,875 --> 00:17:49,041 And then one day I'm in the playground and a rumor goes around 292 00:17:49,125 --> 00:17:53,333 there's some band playing in this place called the Young Vic in Waterloo. 293 00:17:53,416 --> 00:17:54,832 (Slow-paced guitar with drums) 294 00:17:54,916 --> 00:17:59,791 Turns out it's The Who doing what's called a full production rehearsal. 295 00:17:59,875 --> 00:18:02,541 I'm 10 feet from the stage. 296 00:18:02,625 --> 00:18:05,958 I can see the whites of Keith Moon's eyes. 297 00:18:06,041 --> 00:18:11,541 Townsend's doing his windmills and my mind was blown. 298 00:18:11,625 --> 00:18:13,625 I didn't know what was going on in front of me, 299 00:18:13,708 --> 00:18:17,333 but I knew I wanted to be part of this. 300 00:18:17,416 --> 00:18:20,332 Next day, I'm rebelling. 301 00:18:20,416 --> 00:18:22,624 Rock and roll really ruined my school life. 302 00:18:27,958 --> 00:18:31,499 There was nothing going to dissuade me from this new world that I'd seen, 303 00:18:31,583 --> 00:18:34,208 this new universe, new possibilities. 304 00:18:36,458 --> 00:18:38,374 (Guitar music continues) 305 00:18:39,416 --> 00:18:42,749 I remember one day I'm being ignored in the classroom 306 00:18:42,833 --> 00:18:46,124 and I wanted some attention. So I set fire to the desk. 307 00:18:46,208 --> 00:18:48,583 - (Flame roars) - (Guitar music continues) 308 00:18:48,666 --> 00:18:52,624 That burning of the desk was like some kind of rock and roll rebirth. 309 00:18:53,583 --> 00:18:57,416 Because it definitely lit the way for a new Don Letts. 310 00:18:58,958 --> 00:19:00,958 (Guitar music fades) 311 00:19:01,041 --> 00:19:05,082 As I'm coming out of my formative years and becoming a teenager, 312 00:19:05,166 --> 00:19:09,916 the whole rock and roll thing started to cause obvious problems with my parents. 313 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,208 They'd sent me to grammar school and expected all this great stuff for me. 314 00:19:13,291 --> 00:19:17,124 But here I was sort of going down a different road. 315 00:19:17,208 --> 00:19:19,208 And we were obviously going to rub heads. 316 00:19:19,291 --> 00:19:22,874 So at 16, I left home, went to live with my brother, Desmond. 317 00:19:22,958 --> 00:19:24,916 (Droning electric guitar) 318 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,833 So it was during my time at Acme Attractions 319 00:19:26,916 --> 00:19:29,291 that the whole punk thing really kicks off 320 00:19:29,375 --> 00:19:31,958 with the advent of The Pistols, it has to be said. 321 00:19:32,958 --> 00:19:35,791 I was a bit jaded to it all at first 322 00:19:35,875 --> 00:19:38,958 because it was stealing the attentions of my girlfriend, Jeanette. 323 00:19:39,041 --> 00:19:41,624 Before the whole punk thing, I was the cock on the block. 324 00:19:41,708 --> 00:19:45,333 And all of a sudden there's these white guys stealing her attention. 325 00:19:46,333 --> 00:19:49,208 Then she took me to see The Clash. 326 00:19:49,291 --> 00:19:51,291 (9 "White Riot", The Clash) 327 00:19:52,375 --> 00:19:54,916 And it was at that moment that I got it. 328 00:19:59,458 --> 00:20:01,499 I White riot, I wanna riot 329 00:20:01,583 --> 00:20:02,999 ♪ White riot... ♪ 330 00:20:03,083 --> 00:20:05,833 And then very quickly, I struck up serious friendships 331 00:20:05,916 --> 00:20:09,332 with people like Strummer and John Lydon. 332 00:20:09,416 --> 00:20:13,207 I mean, if it wasn't for Jeanette, I might have missed the punk thing. 333 00:20:13,291 --> 00:20:17,749 I hadn't told her this but I was a total Beatle fanatic. 334 00:20:17,833 --> 00:20:22,958 I have the second largest collection of Beatles memorabilia in the UK. 335 00:20:23,041 --> 00:20:25,374 And then punk rock explodes. 336 00:20:25,458 --> 00:20:28,416 Two days later, I swapped the whole lot 337 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:30,583 for a fuck off American car. 338 00:20:32,208 --> 00:20:33,916 One like in "Starsky and Hutch." 339 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,833 We're talking with the big wheels, decals and everything. 340 00:20:38,791 --> 00:20:41,124 Punk rock was like an extreme thing. 341 00:20:41,208 --> 00:20:43,083 It was like out with the old, in with the new. 342 00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:47,207 It was like a purge, a purge of all that had gone before. 343 00:20:47,291 --> 00:20:49,957 (8 "Slogan On The Wall", The Viceroys) 344 00:20:52,916 --> 00:20:54,457 By the mid '70s, 345 00:20:54,541 --> 00:20:57,082 the popular music of the time was all this, you know, 346 00:20:57,166 --> 00:20:59,582 overextended prog rock stuff 347 00:20:59,666 --> 00:21:03,249 that seemed a million miles from the vibe on the street. 348 00:21:04,166 --> 00:21:05,874 They're singing about Hotel California. 349 00:21:05,958 --> 00:21:08,374 We didn't know where California was 350 00:21:08,458 --> 00:21:10,499 much less being able to afford a fucking hotel. 351 00:21:13,833 --> 00:21:16,999 Luckily for me, I had the soundtrack to ease my pain 352 00:21:18,791 --> 00:21:22,999 and I had the reggae. My white mates were not so lucky. 353 00:21:23,083 --> 00:21:27,916 So they set about creating their own soundtrack and that would be punk rock. 354 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,000 And you began to see the kind of bubbling of this 355 00:21:30,083 --> 00:21:34,708 at the end of '75, '76 and it fully exploded in 1977... 356 00:21:34,791 --> 00:21:37,457 - (Droning electric guitar) - ...with the opening of The Roxy, 357 00:21:37,541 --> 00:21:41,082 this new place that was started by Andrew Czezowski. 358 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:47,833 Andrew Czezowski who was Acme Attraction's accountant. 359 00:21:50,208 --> 00:21:53,624 And because of the reaction I got to the music I was playing in the shop 360 00:21:53,708 --> 00:21:56,749 he asked me to DJ there. I'd never DJ'd in my life. 361 00:21:56,833 --> 00:22:01,291 I had no aspirations of becoming a DJ but I thought, I'll have a go. 362 00:22:01,375 --> 00:22:03,416 Now, this is so early in the punk rock scene, 363 00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:07,166 There ain't no punk records to play. No UK ones anyway. 364 00:22:07,250 --> 00:22:11,291 So what am I going to do? I play what I like. I'm playing hardcore dub reggae. 365 00:22:11,375 --> 00:22:13,041 (♪ "Upsetting Dub", Lee Scratch Perry) 366 00:22:13,125 --> 00:22:18,458 So Andrew offers me the job at The Roxy and he says, "Oh, I'm looking for staff." 367 00:22:18,541 --> 00:22:21,541 And I go back to Forest Hill, where I'm living with my Rasta brethren. 368 00:22:21,625 --> 00:22:23,250 (I "Dreadheights", Fatman Riddim Section) 369 00:22:23,333 --> 00:22:25,434 I'm like, "Do you want to work for these punks down the West End?" 370 00:22:25,458 --> 00:22:27,517 They were like, "Get the fuck out of here." Not interested at all. 371 00:22:27,541 --> 00:22:29,541 I said, "Well, just come and have a look." 372 00:22:29,625 --> 00:22:34,166 So the Roxy Club is like this punk club... everybody knows about, right? Yeah. 373 00:22:34,250 --> 00:22:36,166 And Don was going to be the DJ 374 00:22:36,250 --> 00:22:39,250 because by now he was living in Forest Hill with Leo and J.R. 375 00:22:39,333 --> 00:22:41,493 and a bunch of other guys, had a little posse up there. 376 00:22:43,625 --> 00:22:48,791 There's four of us. Four black guys living in Forest Hill, 377 00:22:48,875 --> 00:22:52,833 an old couple living downstairs and the landlord wanting us to make noise 378 00:22:52,916 --> 00:22:55,457 (laughs) to get the old couple out, 379 00:22:55,541 --> 00:22:57,621 which we tried, but they didn't move in the long run. 380 00:22:58,833 --> 00:23:02,208 (Desmond Coy) Don said one day, look, he's got a gig as a DJ at this club 381 00:23:04,416 --> 00:23:06,916 and he wanted us to come down, we could work behind the bar 382 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,833 and get a little job here and there. 383 00:23:08,916 --> 00:23:10,624 (I "New Rose", The Damned) 384 00:23:10,708 --> 00:23:14,458 When we decided to go to The Roxy and we see all these punks 385 00:23:14,541 --> 00:23:17,916 and guys wearing pins through their nose 386 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,500 and swastika shit and bondage things... They were really freaky. 387 00:23:22,583 --> 00:23:26,333 Jamaican boys, we're not used to this thing. This is weird. 388 00:23:26,416 --> 00:23:28,166 At first, we were frightened. 389 00:23:29,083 --> 00:23:31,208 These were weirdos, these kids. 390 00:23:33,291 --> 00:23:38,082 But somewhere along the line, man, I mean, you know, we got on. 391 00:23:38,166 --> 00:23:41,916 They come down to the club and they see two things. 392 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,125 They see the girls and they see an untapped herb market. 393 00:23:47,208 --> 00:23:51,541 Two days later, all my Rasta brethren were working at the club. 394 00:23:51,625 --> 00:23:54,625 (Desmond Coy) I was the dealer there. 395 00:23:54,708 --> 00:23:56,583 So that was my job, that was my little earner. 396 00:23:56,666 --> 00:23:59,041 Sid Vicious and guys like that would come up and ask for 397 00:23:59,125 --> 00:24:02,000 two Special Brew and a spliff. 398 00:24:03,083 --> 00:24:04,499 We had to keep this quiet 399 00:24:04,583 --> 00:24:06,726 because Andrew would go nuts if he knew we were selling ganja. 400 00:24:06,750 --> 00:24:09,291 We were probably making more money than him at the bar. 401 00:24:09,375 --> 00:24:12,541 (Don Letts) I'll never forget seeing Shane MacGowan drunkenly say, 402 00:24:12,625 --> 00:24:14,916 "Give me two beers and one spliff." 403 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,958 Then after a moment's thought he said, "No, give me one beer and two spliffs." 404 00:24:21,125 --> 00:24:23,458 Perfect example of cultural exchange. 405 00:24:26,625 --> 00:24:30,208 (Jeannette Lee) We were there pretty much every single night that it existed. 406 00:24:30,291 --> 00:24:34,291 And one day he just announced, "I think I'm going to get a camera." 407 00:24:34,375 --> 00:24:39,125 And from that moment he was filming practically every band that played there. 408 00:24:39,208 --> 00:24:42,958 (Desmond Coy) He probably saw it before I did, before Leo and us. 409 00:24:43,041 --> 00:24:46,124 Don saw it. He was ahead. He saw the young guys coming up. 410 00:24:46,208 --> 00:24:48,208 We saw what they were into, their attitude 411 00:24:48,291 --> 00:24:50,749 and what they were trying to say, you know. 412 00:24:50,833 --> 00:24:53,916 These guys were breaking barriers and doing their own thing. 413 00:24:55,125 --> 00:24:58,583 He probably could see the energy, these fucking young kids 414 00:24:58,666 --> 00:25:01,332 who had nothing, you know, just bored out of their heads, 415 00:25:01,416 --> 00:25:04,041 wanting to do something and get some excitement back. 416 00:25:04,125 --> 00:25:08,125 He just picked up on that and went with it, just got it and ran with it. 417 00:25:09,041 --> 00:25:12,416 Now, he was involved in this new movement that was happening. 418 00:25:13,458 --> 00:25:16,458 When we were growing up in Brixton, there were no black people on TV, 419 00:25:16,541 --> 00:25:18,374 there was no black anybody, so... 420 00:25:19,958 --> 00:25:24,416 ...for him to pick up a camera and make videos, we were in awe. 421 00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:28,791 (Leo Williams) He's not one to sit around and wait for anything. He's out there. 422 00:25:28,875 --> 00:25:32,583 He's trying to see what he can do. What he can... make himself better. 423 00:25:32,666 --> 00:25:36,457 I think if you come from a black family, you have to have some kind of drive. 424 00:25:36,541 --> 00:25:39,582 No one ain't gonna help you. Don has got that drive. 425 00:25:40,583 --> 00:25:44,458 And, erm, getting a camera, he found his forte. 426 00:25:44,541 --> 00:25:47,249 (Quiet atmospheric guitar music) 427 00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:52,791 Don's an artist. Don needs a method of expression. 428 00:25:52,875 --> 00:25:57,666 He's not just being a groover, looking good, playing great records. 429 00:25:57,750 --> 00:26:00,375 He becomes who he is. He becomes Don Letts at that point. 430 00:26:00,458 --> 00:26:04,166 We wouldn't know about him if he hadn't picked up that camera. 431 00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:06,708 (5 "Captain Scarlet", Siouxsie and the Banshees) 432 00:26:09,666 --> 00:26:11,499 (Leo Williams) It was eye-opening 433 00:26:11,583 --> 00:26:14,624 to see these kids brave enough to do what they want 434 00:26:14,708 --> 00:26:18,333 and making their own kind of music and dressing how they want. 435 00:26:18,416 --> 00:26:22,874 ♪ Captain Scarlet, Captain Scarlet... ♪ 436 00:26:22,958 --> 00:26:25,624 These guys want to do something and they're doing it. 437 00:26:25,708 --> 00:26:29,124 They're not asking if they can do it. They're just doing it. 438 00:26:29,208 --> 00:26:31,249 And you can do what you want if you want to. 439 00:26:31,333 --> 00:26:34,583 With the right attitude you can do what you want. 440 00:26:41,375 --> 00:26:46,000 (Leo Williams) Our background and where we were coming from, our culture, 441 00:26:46,083 --> 00:26:48,666 we were suppressed because you'd get in so much trouble. 442 00:26:48,750 --> 00:26:51,500 It like, put you off. You'd kind of been denied things 443 00:26:51,583 --> 00:26:53,416 because you don't want to be in trouble. 444 00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:56,166 These guys are doing it and they're showing you can do things. 445 00:26:56,250 --> 00:26:59,625 You just got to do it. Believe in yourself and do it. 446 00:26:59,708 --> 00:27:02,416 Don't worry, just do it. 447 00:27:05,083 --> 00:27:08,833 After we finished playing and working at The Roxy, 448 00:27:09,791 --> 00:27:14,624 a lot of these guys would get in their cars and follow us back to Forest Hill. 449 00:27:14,708 --> 00:27:16,874 ("I Am What I Am", Jackie Opel) 450 00:27:18,166 --> 00:27:20,916 (John Lydon) Don's place in Forest Hill was great fun. 451 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,583 We'd go there after The Roxy sometimes, 452 00:27:23,666 --> 00:27:26,332 driving Don's little car, all squashed in, 453 00:27:26,416 --> 00:27:30,791 and go back and pretend we were big time marijuana smokers. 454 00:27:32,625 --> 00:27:37,375 We went back to Don's house to hang out and stuff, lots of people did. 455 00:27:37,458 --> 00:27:39,249 Don was really cheeky. 456 00:27:39,333 --> 00:27:42,874 And so he would always say like the funny thing. 457 00:27:42,958 --> 00:27:45,624 You could tell immediately how brave he was, 458 00:27:45,708 --> 00:27:50,208 not only because of how he looked. He would stand up for himself. 459 00:27:53,333 --> 00:27:57,041 Those people that ended up with us back at Forest Hill after The Roxy 460 00:27:57,125 --> 00:27:59,291 were a very different crowd of people 461 00:27:59,375 --> 00:28:02,375 and they wouldn't normally be socializing together. 462 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,708 And that Forest Hill scene 463 00:28:06,791 --> 00:28:10,832 made it easier for people to actually be friends with each other 464 00:28:10,916 --> 00:28:14,124 and communicate instead of be in tribes. 465 00:28:17,166 --> 00:28:20,624 One of the things that drove punk rock at this fast and furious pace 466 00:28:20,708 --> 00:28:22,958 was this sense of competition. 467 00:28:23,041 --> 00:28:27,041 There was The Clash camp, The Pistols camp, Slits, Banshees, 468 00:28:27,125 --> 00:28:29,500 and never the twain shall meet kind of thing, 469 00:28:29,583 --> 00:28:32,374 except when they went on tour. 470 00:28:32,458 --> 00:28:35,666 But I quite happily bounced between all of them. 471 00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:39,375 I was never this kind of choosing sides kind of guy. 472 00:28:41,291 --> 00:28:44,999 One day in the "New Musical Express", I read, 473 00:28:45,083 --> 00:28:47,083 "Don Letts is making a punk rock movie." 474 00:28:47,166 --> 00:28:49,749 I mean, shit, that's not a bad idea, I'll call it a movie. 475 00:28:49,833 --> 00:28:52,708 No, I fell. Look. 476 00:28:52,791 --> 00:28:56,207 (Jeannette Lee) We had these little Super 8 cartridges. 477 00:28:56,291 --> 00:28:58,916 We'd get them developed and bring them back to Forest Hill 478 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,500 and string them out across the room 479 00:29:01,583 --> 00:29:05,541 and hold them up and look at them and edit it with Sellotape. 480 00:29:05,625 --> 00:29:08,958 The bands were already there, the scene was set. 481 00:29:09,041 --> 00:29:13,291 It was just a case of capturing it and splicing it all together. 482 00:29:13,375 --> 00:29:15,250 The thing about Don was that 483 00:29:15,333 --> 00:29:18,249 he was always on a mission to achieve something. 484 00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:21,875 He was always going to make something happen. 485 00:29:21,958 --> 00:29:24,708 (♪ "Gonna Take Over Now", Freddie McGregor) 486 00:29:24,791 --> 00:29:26,916 And that was the vehicle. 487 00:29:30,666 --> 00:29:38,666 In June-July '77, Bob is living here after having been shot. 488 00:29:39,708 --> 00:29:41,541 He's living on the King's Road. 489 00:29:41,625 --> 00:29:44,500 He sees all these nasty, stinky, dirty, punky people. 490 00:29:44,583 --> 00:29:50,458 Then Don goes round to see him, possibly to bring him some herb. 491 00:29:50,541 --> 00:29:52,374 Don is wearing bondage trousers 492 00:29:52,458 --> 00:29:57,958 (laughs) and Bob gives him a finger wagging rap about this. 493 00:30:01,791 --> 00:30:07,041 But Don stands his ground and explains, you know, 494 00:30:07,125 --> 00:30:11,000 that actually punks are just the same as the dreads. 495 00:30:12,541 --> 00:30:15,541 They're just oppressed and being shat on as well. 496 00:30:15,625 --> 00:30:18,166 So Bob comes and gets some... 497 00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:21,666 Some ray of light is flashed down on him. 498 00:30:23,875 --> 00:30:27,083 In a way, you kind of feel that Bob Marley to Don 499 00:30:27,166 --> 00:30:29,624 was the person that Don would like to be. 500 00:30:29,708 --> 00:30:31,416 He was the ultimate. 501 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:36,208 You know, he was Jamaican, but also from complex mixed parentage. 502 00:30:36,291 --> 00:30:40,374 He's a fully integrated human and smokes vast amounts of weed. 503 00:30:43,208 --> 00:30:46,541 (Daddy G) Back in the punk days, '77, where a lot of my friends just come back 504 00:30:46,625 --> 00:30:49,333 and tell me about this crazy dread that was knocking around 505 00:30:49,416 --> 00:30:51,874 with The Slits and The Clash and people like that. 506 00:30:51,958 --> 00:30:54,791 He was always... had this thing in his hand, 507 00:30:54,875 --> 00:30:56,416 recording everything, you know. 508 00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,166 And I was quite jealous, actually, 509 00:30:58,250 --> 00:31:01,458 because he was hanging out with the real top punk bands 510 00:31:01,541 --> 00:31:03,249 and all the people we worshipped. 511 00:31:03,333 --> 00:31:05,999 He's a source of inspiration. 512 00:31:06,083 --> 00:31:09,499 Whether he opened his mouth or not, just by looking at him 513 00:31:09,583 --> 00:31:13,791 you could understand the man was coming from a different angle. 514 00:31:16,958 --> 00:31:19,833 Don was the rebel dread, stirring things up. 515 00:31:19,916 --> 00:31:22,541 And to be honest, I wanted to be Don Letts. 516 00:31:24,916 --> 00:31:28,749 Eventually, John Krivine and Steph Raynor, 517 00:31:28,833 --> 00:31:32,958 they decided to close Acme and open something called Boy, 518 00:31:33,041 --> 00:31:35,582 which was up on the main drag of King's Road 519 00:31:35,666 --> 00:31:39,874 because punk was beginning to grab the tabloid headlines now. 520 00:31:39,958 --> 00:31:43,624 So they jumped on the tabloid punk bandwagon. 521 00:31:44,916 --> 00:31:46,749 Me and Jeannette opened the shop, 522 00:31:46,833 --> 00:31:51,749 and after a few weeks I really couldn't hold my head up and I quit... 523 00:31:51,833 --> 00:31:55,374 ...to attempt to manage The Slits. 524 00:31:55,458 --> 00:31:58,333 I sort of took some of Steph and John's money, 525 00:31:58,416 --> 00:32:03,166 gave it to them to go on the White Riot tour with The Clash and The Buzzcocks. 526 00:32:03,250 --> 00:32:04,625 (Gentle atmospheric music) 527 00:32:04,708 --> 00:32:08,624 By the time we hit 'Boy', Jeannette had just plain outgrown me. 528 00:32:09,916 --> 00:32:14,916 And while I was on the White Riot tour, Jeanette went off into the world 529 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,083 and ended up actually working with John Lydon when he started Public Image. 530 00:32:21,041 --> 00:32:24,332 I had to... I had to dump him. 531 00:32:25,458 --> 00:32:30,041 I just wanted to spread my wings and experience things. 532 00:32:31,333 --> 00:32:35,624 I wanted to go off and do things, check things out on my own. 533 00:32:35,708 --> 00:32:39,833 He wasn't good. He wasn't good. He was upset about it. 534 00:32:42,416 --> 00:32:44,832 (Don Letts) The White Riot tour, it was fast and furious, 535 00:32:44,916 --> 00:32:47,207 as was the whole of punk rock. 536 00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:51,416 (♪ "Why Can't I", Cedric Im Brooks) 537 00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:53,500 And on that tour you did see a bit of violence 538 00:32:53,583 --> 00:32:57,333 because this negative idea that had been perpetrated by the tabloids 539 00:32:57,416 --> 00:32:59,874 had filtered out into the suburbs. 540 00:33:01,666 --> 00:33:04,832 One of the reasons that the punk rock thing exploded so quickly 541 00:33:04,916 --> 00:33:09,166 and got misinterpreted so quickly was the whole Bill Grundy fiasco 542 00:33:09,250 --> 00:33:13,250 when The Pistols appeared on that TV show and John swore. 543 00:33:13,333 --> 00:33:14,416 Shit. 544 00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:16,125 Was it really? Good heavens! 545 00:33:16,208 --> 00:33:21,124 All of a sudden everybody around the UK knew about this phenomena 546 00:33:21,208 --> 00:33:24,708 through this popular afternoon TV show. 547 00:33:24,791 --> 00:33:27,332 - You dirty fucker... - What!? 548 00:33:27,416 --> 00:33:29,559 - What a fucking rotter... - Well, that's it for tonight... 549 00:33:29,583 --> 00:33:30,624 (TV static) 550 00:33:30,708 --> 00:33:32,708 (9 "White Riot", The Clash) 551 00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:39,541 (Don Letts) God bless The Pistols, They kick started everything. 552 00:33:39,625 --> 00:33:41,833 But it was only one album. 553 00:33:41,916 --> 00:33:44,082 Without The Pistols, there'd probably be no Clash, 554 00:33:44,166 --> 00:33:47,791 but it was left to The Clash to take that ball and run with it 555 00:33:47,875 --> 00:33:50,208 and give punk meaning. 556 00:33:54,958 --> 00:33:58,958 (♪ "Rasta is Calling", The Nightingales) 557 00:34:02,291 --> 00:34:08,249 (Paul Simonon) That tour was when I first met Don properly, and his friend Leo. 558 00:34:10,833 --> 00:34:15,791 The thing is the Jamaican community and how they had to pull together 559 00:34:15,875 --> 00:34:18,791 to protect themselves and also to get on 560 00:34:18,875 --> 00:34:21,500 was a good template for the punk movement 561 00:34:21,583 --> 00:34:24,291 because it was a question of, well, we're outsiders. 562 00:34:24,375 --> 00:34:27,166 We need to pull together and get our own thing together 563 00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:31,041 because they've got their thing to go with it. Let's do ours. 564 00:34:31,125 --> 00:34:32,750 (Don Letts) It was on the White Riot tour 565 00:34:32,833 --> 00:34:34,833 that I really formed my bond with The Clash, 566 00:34:34,916 --> 00:34:38,207 particularly Paul Simonon. He had a similar background to myself. 567 00:34:38,291 --> 00:34:42,582 He was working class and had also grown up in Brixton, 568 00:34:42,666 --> 00:34:45,999 but most importantly, he was a skinhead. 569 00:34:46,083 --> 00:34:48,083 And we're talking about the fashion version, 570 00:34:48,166 --> 00:34:50,499 as I said before, not the fascist version. 571 00:34:50,583 --> 00:34:52,999 So we were brought together 572 00:34:53,083 --> 00:34:56,208 by a mutual love of Jamaican music and style. 573 00:34:57,416 --> 00:34:59,207 (Mick Jones) Reggae music... 574 00:34:59,291 --> 00:35:03,124 They talked about what was going on and how it affected them. 575 00:35:04,541 --> 00:35:07,666 People weren't quite sure of us at the start 576 00:35:08,875 --> 00:35:13,041 because we didn't really know what this thing was that was starting. 577 00:35:13,125 --> 00:35:17,166 It was really against everything that was going on at the time. 578 00:35:18,291 --> 00:35:22,666 Both were outside the norm, you know. 579 00:35:23,833 --> 00:35:28,624 (Vivien Goldman) In managing The Slits, Don was being quite brave. 580 00:35:28,708 --> 00:35:30,666 It was just so rare 581 00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:33,916 to have this lively, uncensored, 582 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:40,208 uncut way of approaching the world. It scared a lot of guys. 583 00:35:40,291 --> 00:35:45,166 That's where Don was an unusual man because he dug 'em 584 00:35:45,250 --> 00:35:49,166 and they accepted him, which they wouldn't have just everybody. 585 00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:55,083 He was sensitive enough and had enough vision for them to respect him. 586 00:35:55,166 --> 00:35:57,374 (Paul Simonon) In the beginning of the whole punk thing, 587 00:35:57,458 --> 00:36:00,874 there was sort of quite a small community, you could say, 588 00:36:00,958 --> 00:36:05,124 and Paloma, he was a good friend of Joe Strummer's 589 00:36:05,208 --> 00:36:07,041 and Viv with Mick... Albertine. 590 00:36:07,125 --> 00:36:09,833 And so it was sort of like a little community. 591 00:36:09,916 --> 00:36:13,332 I think it was just the situation of, look, we're all in the same boat. 592 00:36:13,416 --> 00:36:17,416 So, you know, God help us all. Let's just get on with it. 593 00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:20,458 And that's what went across, whether you were male or female. 594 00:36:20,541 --> 00:36:25,707 It was sort of like, let's all play music, whatever your sex, you know. 595 00:36:25,791 --> 00:36:28,457 - (Film projector clicking) - (Siren) 596 00:36:28,541 --> 00:36:30,999 (9 "White Riot", The Clash) 597 00:36:31,083 --> 00:36:33,249 (Mick Jones) "The Punk Rock Movie" was so real. 598 00:36:33,333 --> 00:36:36,083 Just so very good that he did that 599 00:36:36,166 --> 00:36:38,707 because otherwise it would have been made up. 600 00:36:42,916 --> 00:36:46,874 So you can see it for real... or bits of it, anyway. 601 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,708 "The Punk Rock Movie", I was going to say put me on the movie map, 602 00:36:52,791 --> 00:36:55,499 but that's bullshit, really. It just put me on some kind of map 603 00:36:55,583 --> 00:36:57,083 that people knew who I was. 604 00:36:57,166 --> 00:37:00,499 (Low reverberating bass note on guitar) 605 00:37:52,708 --> 00:37:54,541 (Don Letts) It kind of opened doors for me, 606 00:37:54,625 --> 00:37:57,708 and I quickly realised I should kind of use that momentum 607 00:37:57,791 --> 00:38:00,666 to try and get to wherever I wanted to go. 608 00:38:00,750 --> 00:38:05,208 I didn't really know where that was, but I knew I wanted to be involved in film. 609 00:38:09,333 --> 00:38:12,749 By end of 1977, The Pistols had imploded, 610 00:38:12,833 --> 00:38:15,999 and John was looking to escape the media madness 611 00:38:16,083 --> 00:38:18,458 and went to Jamaica with Richard Branson 612 00:38:18,541 --> 00:38:21,624 to start a record label called Front Line. 613 00:38:21,708 --> 00:38:26,624 But don't forget, The Pistols had broken up a few weeks before in a big way 614 00:38:26,708 --> 00:38:30,749 and everyone's focused on this dude to see what he's going to do next. 615 00:38:30,833 --> 00:38:34,166 Me being black and his mate, he invited me along. 616 00:38:35,041 --> 00:38:38,624 (John Lydon) I got the opportunity to go to Jamaica and I thought, 617 00:38:38,708 --> 00:38:40,708 "Who am I going to bring there with me? 618 00:38:40,791 --> 00:38:43,624 "I'm not going alone. "I'm going to bring some special friends 619 00:38:43,708 --> 00:38:46,833 "that really want to achieve something in this world." 620 00:38:46,916 --> 00:38:48,791 Don wanted to film. 621 00:38:48,875 --> 00:38:51,416 He had Jamaican roots, he'd never been there. 622 00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:55,625 Give him the opportunity and let him struggle there on his own 623 00:38:55,708 --> 00:38:57,999 and see what he can come up with. 624 00:38:58,083 --> 00:38:59,976 (Don Letts) I'd never been to Jamaica in my life. 625 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,517 The closest I'd been to Jamaica was seeing "The Harder They Come" 626 00:39:02,541 --> 00:39:04,499 in my local cinema in Brixton. 627 00:39:04,583 --> 00:39:07,458 (♪ "Wide World", Alton Ellis) 628 00:39:10,458 --> 00:39:12,541 Seeing "The Harder They Come" was the first thing 629 00:39:12,625 --> 00:39:15,250 that made me really understand the power of cinema. 630 00:39:15,333 --> 00:39:17,166 You got to understand that for a long time 631 00:39:17,250 --> 00:39:19,875 we knew what we were supposed to sound like 632 00:39:19,958 --> 00:39:23,166 but we never had any visual interpretation of our culture. 633 00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:27,125 We'd grown up in the UK. We didn't know what Jamaica looked like. 634 00:39:27,208 --> 00:39:30,416 Two things changed that: the advent of Bob Marley 635 00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:32,333 and "The Harder They Come." 636 00:39:32,416 --> 00:39:36,166 You want me to go and work for $10 a week for the rest of my life? 637 00:39:36,250 --> 00:39:37,291 I'd rather die. 638 00:39:37,375 --> 00:39:39,666 (Don Letts) Seeing "The Harder They Come" made me think, 639 00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:42,958 maybe I'd like to express myself in a visual way. 640 00:39:43,041 --> 00:39:45,291 Didn't I tell you I was going to be famous one day. 641 00:39:45,375 --> 00:39:47,458 (Don Letts) But at that time, the idea of a black man 642 00:39:47,541 --> 00:39:49,332 being a film director or a filmmaker... 643 00:39:49,416 --> 00:39:50,749 ...ridiculous. 644 00:39:50,833 --> 00:39:52,791 (Don Letts) So I forgot about that. 645 00:39:53,833 --> 00:39:56,499 (I "Roots Natty", The Gladiators) 646 00:39:59,625 --> 00:40:03,958 24 hours later, a plastic bag with some underpants and a few bits of clothing, 647 00:40:04,041 --> 00:40:07,374 I was in JA, Jamaica, first time in my life. 648 00:40:09,125 --> 00:40:12,291 (Chris Salewicz) That was the first time he'd been to Jamaica 649 00:40:12,375 --> 00:40:15,666 and it was kind of quite profound for him. 650 00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:20,625 You could see from his facial expressions he was going through some stuff. 651 00:40:20,708 --> 00:40:25,041 He knows Jamaica, but he knows a sort of mythical Jamaica really. 652 00:40:25,125 --> 00:40:31,083 There's a lot of romance created around, you know, 'ghetto gunmen'. 653 00:40:31,166 --> 00:40:34,666 The truth is that there isn't any real romance about that. 654 00:40:34,750 --> 00:40:36,750 It's pretty horrible, actually. 655 00:40:36,833 --> 00:40:42,333 He was out every day going downtown, filming, you know, in the ghetto areas. 656 00:40:42,416 --> 00:40:46,582 He was really surprised at the extent of the poverty, the violence. 657 00:40:46,666 --> 00:40:50,916 It was dangerous. This was in the middle of the civil war there, you know. 658 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,583 So it was very tricky for him. 659 00:40:56,291 --> 00:41:02,624 Children of Jamaican... or parents... or from any other country, actually, 660 00:41:02,708 --> 00:41:04,624 it's their parents' country, 661 00:41:04,708 --> 00:41:07,041 and they tend to have a strange relationship with it. 662 00:41:07,125 --> 00:41:12,416 They're not sure about it - whether to embrace or reject it completely. 663 00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:14,458 I think some of that was going on with Don. 664 00:41:14,541 --> 00:41:16,582 (♪ "Natty Rebel", U Roy) 665 00:41:19,125 --> 00:41:21,958 (Don Letts) Richard had booked the first floor of the hotel... 666 00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:28,666 ...and the jungle drums went out, 667 00:41:28,750 --> 00:41:32,750 "Rich white man in the area signing up reggae artists." 668 00:41:34,041 --> 00:41:38,041 Over the next two weeks, there was an exodus to the hotel 669 00:41:38,125 --> 00:41:41,000 of artists trying to get a deal with Richard. 670 00:41:43,125 --> 00:41:45,333 All of a sudden, I'm sitting around the hotel pool 671 00:41:45,416 --> 00:41:49,999 and there's I-Roy, U-Roy, Big Youth, The Gladiators, Lee "Scratch" Perry. 672 00:41:50,958 --> 00:41:52,958 Probably the most amazing trip of my life 673 00:41:53,041 --> 00:41:57,082 being surrounded by all my heroes over the space of two weeks. 674 00:41:58,625 --> 00:42:02,666 All these names that I'd previously seen on record labels 675 00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:04,708 and I thought were legendary artists. 676 00:42:04,791 --> 00:42:07,166 I come to Jamaica and I see the reality of their existence. 677 00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:10,458 You'd think these guys had been living large 'cause they'd made records, 678 00:42:10,541 --> 00:42:14,207 but au contraire, mon ami. I mean, it was tough. 679 00:42:14,291 --> 00:42:17,582 These guys were all hustling and desperate to get a deal 680 00:42:17,666 --> 00:42:20,916 and impress John 'cause John was the taste master. 681 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,875 It made me realise that there's no real justice in the music business, man. 682 00:42:24,958 --> 00:42:27,583 The real pioneers never get to collect. 683 00:42:27,666 --> 00:42:30,957 It's the people that water down their ideas that make the money. 684 00:42:40,458 --> 00:42:42,999 I had the idea of checking out my roots in Jamaica 685 00:42:43,083 --> 00:42:46,124 and going to visit my grandparents who I didn't know. 686 00:42:46,208 --> 00:42:48,958 I remember, funnily enough, we went in this bloody white Cadillac 687 00:42:49,041 --> 00:42:52,041 that was available to the clientele at the hotel. 688 00:42:52,125 --> 00:42:54,125 I actually found where my grandmother lived. 689 00:42:54,208 --> 00:42:56,749 I remember knocking on the door 690 00:42:56,833 --> 00:43:00,208 and my grandparents looking at me like we were fucking aliens. 691 00:43:01,458 --> 00:43:07,249 I just went, "Hi, I'm your grandson from England... and I'll come back later." 692 00:43:07,333 --> 00:43:10,208 Never went back. It was too much of a trip. 693 00:43:10,291 --> 00:43:12,166 I mean, talk about a culture clash. 694 00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:17,000 I was so disconnected from their reality. 695 00:43:17,083 --> 00:43:19,083 - (Waves crashing) - And... 696 00:43:19,166 --> 00:43:22,249 ...I didn't really have the time or the inclination, I have to say, 697 00:43:22,333 --> 00:43:25,208 to kind of try and make them understand. 698 00:43:25,291 --> 00:43:27,332 And I just went about my business. 699 00:43:29,958 --> 00:43:32,791 (John Lydon) Taking Don to Jamaica opened his eyes. 700 00:43:32,875 --> 00:43:35,750 It opened my eyes too, I've got to say. 701 00:43:35,833 --> 00:43:42,041 I selfishly used his eyes to see Jamaica from his family's point of view. 702 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,166 We had the most fantastic time. 703 00:43:46,541 --> 00:43:50,291 (Don Letts) John Lydon? The brother's deep. 704 00:43:51,458 --> 00:43:55,499 I mean, the whole punk thing that was never going to work for him. 705 00:43:55,583 --> 00:43:57,416 He was too intelligent for that 706 00:43:57,500 --> 00:44:00,875 and that's why he had to break free from the Pistols. 707 00:44:00,958 --> 00:44:02,958 There was a lot of time when John was in Jamaica 708 00:44:03,041 --> 00:44:06,166 and he'd be quiet and staring off into the distance and all that stuff. 709 00:44:06,250 --> 00:44:08,083 It was only later on that I realised 710 00:44:08,166 --> 00:44:12,582 that he was kind of thinking about what he was going to do next 711 00:44:12,666 --> 00:44:16,249 and that would manifest itself with the creation of Public Image. 712 00:44:17,166 --> 00:44:18,791 You've got to understand 713 00:44:18,875 --> 00:44:23,083 that the people that made the music are all pulling in different directions. 714 00:44:24,125 --> 00:44:27,333 Partially drug informed. 715 00:44:27,416 --> 00:44:31,374 Some were going up, some were going down. some were going sideways. 716 00:44:31,458 --> 00:44:34,749 But somehow John managed to pull all this shit together 717 00:44:34,833 --> 00:44:38,583 and come up with something that was truly refreshing. 718 00:44:38,666 --> 00:44:41,041 (♪ "Public Image", Public Image Limited) 719 00:44:42,250 --> 00:44:45,166 ♪ Hello, hello, hello, hello 720 00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:46,916 ♪ Hello, hello... ♪ 721 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,000 (Don Letts) So when John gets the opportunity 722 00:44:49,083 --> 00:44:50,916 to make his first music video, 723 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,583 he turned around and asked me to have a go. 724 00:44:56,375 --> 00:45:00,708 It was weird because at that time you couldn't have stuff broadcast on TV 725 00:45:00,791 --> 00:45:02,791 unless you were a member of the film union. 726 00:45:02,875 --> 00:45:05,833 ♪ You never listen to word that I said 727 00:45:05,916 --> 00:45:09,041 ♪ You only seen me For the clothes that I wear... 728 00:45:09,125 --> 00:45:11,166 So we had to have a ghost director. 729 00:45:11,250 --> 00:45:13,958 I sat in a chair and sort of told him what to do. 730 00:45:14,958 --> 00:45:18,833 I mean, to be honest with you, I was totally out of my depth. 731 00:45:18,916 --> 00:45:22,041 Before that, I was Don Letts with my Super 8 camera. 732 00:45:22,125 --> 00:45:27,666 Now I'm surrounded by a union crew and I'm having to tell them what to do. 733 00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:30,583 It just was really fabulous. 734 00:45:30,666 --> 00:45:33,999 You know, he'd put him into a new position 735 00:45:34,083 --> 00:45:38,374 and shortly after that he does the "London Calling" video, of course. 736 00:45:38,458 --> 00:45:40,583 (♪ "London Calling", The Clash) 737 00:45:47,875 --> 00:45:50,083 That was Don's first video with us. 738 00:45:50,166 --> 00:45:53,291 We'd done a couple of videos before 739 00:45:53,375 --> 00:45:57,416 and then we found that we could get what we wanted. 740 00:45:58,333 --> 00:46:01,291 And that was a major thing, you know. 741 00:46:01,375 --> 00:46:04,583 ♪ London calling to the faraway towns 742 00:46:04,666 --> 00:46:08,207 ♪ Now war is declared and battle come down... ♪ 743 00:46:08,291 --> 00:46:11,541 We met by Battersea late at night. 744 00:46:11,625 --> 00:46:14,416 He had lights rigged up and we just started filming. 745 00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:18,291 (Mick Jones) I remembered it rained during most of the filming of the video. 746 00:46:18,375 --> 00:46:23,625 And one of our guys afterwards threw the monitors into the Thames. 747 00:46:24,791 --> 00:46:26,624 (Don Letts) I fucking can't even swim. 748 00:46:26,708 --> 00:46:30,291 So I didn't know the Thames had a current. I didn't know there was a tide. 749 00:46:30,375 --> 00:46:33,375 I put a camera on the boat. By the time we worked everything out, 750 00:46:33,458 --> 00:46:37,541 it's fucking night-time and it's pissing down with rain. 751 00:46:37,625 --> 00:46:40,416 Turns out, best of luck I ever had. 752 00:46:43,958 --> 00:46:47,333 (Mick Jones) After we did the "London Calling" video, 753 00:46:47,416 --> 00:46:53,249 we did "The Call Up", "The Bank Robber" and "Rock the Casbah." 754 00:46:53,333 --> 00:46:55,166 (I "Rock the Casbah", The Clash) 755 00:46:55,250 --> 00:47:00,333 ♪ Now the King told the boogie man You have to let that raga drop... ♪ 756 00:47:00,416 --> 00:47:02,416 (Paul Simonon) The creative side developed 757 00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:06,166 where, like, "Rock the Casbah", there was an idea 758 00:47:06,250 --> 00:47:11,500 of having an Arab team play football against an Israeli team, 759 00:47:11,583 --> 00:47:14,041 showing them getting on, so to speak. 760 00:47:14,125 --> 00:47:18,041 But the record company were a bit shocked by that idea. 761 00:47:18,125 --> 00:47:23,708 Don had brought an idea to simplify what the record company were terrified of. 762 00:47:23,791 --> 00:47:25,707 ♪ Sharif don't like it 763 00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:30,791 ♪ Rockin' the Casbah Rock the Casbah... I 764 00:47:32,041 --> 00:47:33,874 (Don Letts) "Rock the Casbah" was a big deal. 765 00:47:33,958 --> 00:47:37,958 Man, that was a massive hit on MTV and probably one of my favourite videos. 766 00:47:38,041 --> 00:47:40,374 ♪ Sharif don't like it 767 00:47:42,208 --> 00:47:45,208 ♪ Rockin' the Casbah Rock the Casbah... I 768 00:47:45,291 --> 00:47:48,416 As is "Radio Clash" that really utilised images 769 00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:50,958 from when they were doing the whole Bonds scenario, 770 00:47:51,041 --> 00:47:54,499 when they played those twenty-three dates back to back. 771 00:47:54,583 --> 00:47:56,583 (♪ "This is Radio Clash", The Clash) 772 00:48:01,958 --> 00:48:06,083 Our manager went out and did big posters up in the Bronx. 773 00:48:06,166 --> 00:48:10,166 You wouldn't really expect that because we were in Times Square. 774 00:48:14,125 --> 00:48:17,500 (Paul Simonon) We were booked there to do seven shows. 775 00:48:17,583 --> 00:48:21,833 We'd done seven shows in Japan, seven shows in London, seven in Paris. 776 00:48:21,916 --> 00:48:23,916 We were going to do the same in New York. 777 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,708 But because we were taking over the whole week, 778 00:48:28,791 --> 00:48:31,791 we were taking a lot of business away from the other clubs. 779 00:48:31,875 --> 00:48:33,708 So they sent the fire chief down 780 00:48:33,791 --> 00:48:37,082 and announced that we had too many people in the building. 781 00:48:37,166 --> 00:48:41,832 And Don was sort of around filming a lot of this chaos. 782 00:48:41,916 --> 00:48:46,874 Some stupid shithead fucking sold too many tickets. 783 00:48:46,958 --> 00:48:49,124 (Don Letts) They really took New York, man. 784 00:48:49,208 --> 00:48:51,833 There were riots in Times Square. 785 00:48:51,916 --> 00:48:55,457 Scorsese's turning up, De Niro's turning up. 786 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,059 (American Reporter) For all of you who wanted to see The Clash 787 00:49:00,083 --> 00:49:02,541 at Bonds tonight, they were about to appear about... 788 00:49:02,625 --> 00:49:04,416 ...ooh, about 40 minutes from now and... 789 00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:06,916 We're anxious to play. You know, you get pretty wound up 790 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,125 when you're going to do a show. 791 00:49:09,208 --> 00:49:13,249 We were willing to do two shows on Saturday... 792 00:49:13,333 --> 00:49:16,499 That's double wound up. We want to play, you know. 793 00:49:16,583 --> 00:49:20,124 So, we're just pleased to be able to get on stage. 794 00:49:20,208 --> 00:49:22,958 (♪ "This is Radio Clash", The Clash) 795 00:49:26,041 --> 00:49:28,332 (Mick Jones) When we went to New York in the '80s 796 00:49:28,416 --> 00:49:30,624 and we did a residency at Bonds, 797 00:49:30,708 --> 00:49:33,999 we fell in with a lot of the graffiti artists. 798 00:49:34,083 --> 00:49:38,374 It was just that moment when hip-hop and rap was just starting. 799 00:49:38,458 --> 00:49:40,499 (I "The Magnificent Seven", The Clash) 800 00:49:40,583 --> 00:49:43,208 (Don Letts) The first time I went to New York was with The Slits 801 00:49:43,291 --> 00:49:45,999 when they played at a club called Hurrah's. 802 00:49:47,083 --> 00:49:50,249 It was winter, didn't really get into the vibe. 803 00:49:50,333 --> 00:49:53,833 When I really got to know New York was with The Clash. 804 00:49:56,375 --> 00:50:00,041 And at that time, the whole hip-hop thing was emerging. 805 00:50:00,125 --> 00:50:02,791 (Paul Simonon) New York was an interesting place 806 00:50:02,875 --> 00:50:05,583 because you'd see kids on the street, rapping. 807 00:50:05,666 --> 00:50:09,457 I suppose it was the birth of hip-hop, that we were witnessing. 808 00:50:09,541 --> 00:50:12,291 (Don Letts) A cultural melting pot that felt very similar 809 00:50:12,375 --> 00:50:15,125 to what was going on in the late '70s in London, 810 00:50:15,208 --> 00:50:17,749 but now it was about hip-hop than punk rock. 811 00:50:18,666 --> 00:50:21,582 It was a really great time. It was an exciting time. 812 00:50:21,666 --> 00:50:23,041 It was a time of change. 813 00:50:24,250 --> 00:50:26,250 (Don) When we hit New York in the early '80s, 814 00:50:26,333 --> 00:50:29,416 I was going to say it was coming out of a recession. 815 00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:32,125 It was actually in the recession, 'cause it was kind of fucked up. 816 00:50:32,208 --> 00:50:35,624 There were what they call shooting galleries, where you get your drugs. 817 00:50:35,708 --> 00:50:40,291 It was there that a lot of graffiti artists had taken out spaces 'cause of low rent. 818 00:50:40,375 --> 00:50:42,041 ♪ So cheap and real phony 819 00:50:42,125 --> 00:50:45,291 ♪ Hong Kong dollars, Indian cents, English pounds and Eskimo pence... ♪ 820 00:50:45,375 --> 00:50:49,166 I became friends with people like Fab 5 Freddy and Futura 821 00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:54,666 and Dondi and Haze and Zephyr, all the emerging graffiti writers. 822 00:50:56,875 --> 00:50:59,750 (Jeannette Lee) So we transferred the energy from London, 823 00:50:59,833 --> 00:51:03,291 punk had kind of transferred for us, to New York. 824 00:51:05,125 --> 00:51:09,583 I did have another boyfriend in New York who was Futura 2000. 825 00:51:09,666 --> 00:51:12,082 He did a rap on one of The Clash tunes 826 00:51:12,166 --> 00:51:14,832 and he became a big part of the scene for a while. 827 00:51:16,875 --> 00:51:19,458 (Don) It was about identity, trying to find meaning, 828 00:51:19,541 --> 00:51:22,957 trying to work out who you are, where you fit in the process. 829 00:51:27,833 --> 00:51:31,791 The Bonds - I was going to say fiasco - the event, whatever you want to call it, 830 00:51:31,875 --> 00:51:35,541 I mean, really put The Clash on a world stage. 831 00:51:35,625 --> 00:51:38,375 And took them up to here. 832 00:51:38,458 --> 00:51:40,874 And I think it kind of caught them off guard. 833 00:51:41,875 --> 00:51:46,500 Joe always tried to keep it real. He never got taken and enamoured 834 00:51:46,583 --> 00:51:50,958 with that whole cult of celebrity stuff. He was a very grounded person, Joe. 835 00:51:51,041 --> 00:51:54,791 But Joe was human like the rest of us and kind of fucked up too. 836 00:51:54,875 --> 00:51:57,666 If Joe had to make a horrible decision, 837 00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:59,416 he'd often maneuver things 838 00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:03,541 so other people would kind of carry out whatever he was thinking. 839 00:52:03,625 --> 00:52:05,791 (I "Straight to Hell", The Clash) 840 00:52:05,875 --> 00:52:10,208 I remember when they sacked Mick... and they got Paul to call me up 841 00:52:11,125 --> 00:52:14,750 and say, "Well, look, Don, if you're hanging with Mick 842 00:52:14,833 --> 00:52:17,124 "you can't really be friends with us." 843 00:52:17,208 --> 00:52:19,958 And I knew that Paul didn't want to make that call. 844 00:52:23,166 --> 00:52:27,124 I remember when I got that call, I was sitting in Los Angeles 845 00:52:27,208 --> 00:52:30,291 watching the TV in a bar called Juke's, 846 00:52:30,375 --> 00:52:34,083 and the video for "Rock the Casbah" came up, and I cried. 847 00:52:35,083 --> 00:52:37,416 I fucking cried. 848 00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:39,458 You can't push Don Letts into that position 849 00:52:39,541 --> 00:52:43,874 of you have to decide this or that, rasta. You know, I can't do that. 850 00:52:43,958 --> 00:52:46,041 (Paul) I suppose it did get a bit awkward 851 00:52:46,125 --> 00:52:49,791 because Don had always worked with us regarding Clash stuff. 852 00:52:49,875 --> 00:52:52,750 But The Clash had gone in a different direction 853 00:52:52,833 --> 00:52:54,541 and Don was working with Mick. 854 00:52:57,708 --> 00:53:00,249 So we decided that I would phone Don to explain 855 00:53:00,333 --> 00:53:04,749 that we'd have to part our ways in terms of working. 856 00:53:04,833 --> 00:53:07,874 Mick moved on with Don in creating BAD 857 00:53:07,958 --> 00:53:11,874 and me and Joe wandered off into the sunset. 858 00:53:11,958 --> 00:53:13,208 (Chuckles) 859 00:53:13,291 --> 00:53:17,957 When Mick had been unceremoniously kicked out of his own band, 860 00:53:18,041 --> 00:53:20,374 he fairly quickly got stuck back in. 861 00:53:20,458 --> 00:53:24,374 And one night, I find myself in a nightclub with Mick, 862 00:53:24,458 --> 00:53:26,999 Mick looks to his left and to his right and he's like, 863 00:53:27,083 --> 00:53:29,583 "You know what? We look like a band." 864 00:53:29,666 --> 00:53:33,957 And that was the beginning of my next eight years. 865 00:53:34,041 --> 00:53:35,999 (§ "E=MC2", Big Audio Dynamite) 866 00:53:36,083 --> 00:53:39,541 You got to understand, from seeing The Who back in '71 867 00:53:39,625 --> 00:53:41,041 and wanting to be in this world, 868 00:53:41,125 --> 00:53:43,333 now I was presented with the opportunity. 869 00:53:43,416 --> 00:53:46,916 ♪ Somebody I never met But in a way I know 870 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,666 ♪ Didn't think that you could get so much from a picture show... ♪ 871 00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:54,041 Big Audio Dynamite's sound was a combination of what we were into. 872 00:53:54,125 --> 00:53:59,041 We're talking about heavy Jamaican bass lines, New York beats... 873 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,291 Mick's rock and roll guitar 874 00:54:02,375 --> 00:54:04,541 and me doing the sample and dialogue thing. 875 00:54:04,625 --> 00:54:06,291 ♪ (Speaking) You know, I don't think 876 00:54:06,375 --> 00:54:08,833 ♪ I'm going to let you stay in the film business... ♪ 877 00:54:09,958 --> 00:54:12,583 What was interesting about Big Audio Dynamite, 878 00:54:12,666 --> 00:54:14,707 no one seemed to notice this at first, 879 00:54:14,791 --> 00:54:19,832 they're this first act using movie samples from the soundtrack, the dialogue. 880 00:54:19,916 --> 00:54:24,541 BAD really reflected us and our lives. 881 00:54:25,791 --> 00:54:31,499 That kind of cross-fertilization is the thing that makes magic happen. 882 00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:35,708 I loved all that because, you know, stick a black guy in there 883 00:54:35,791 --> 00:54:38,582 stick a punk in there, stick a dread in there 884 00:54:38,666 --> 00:54:41,582 and you mix it all together and what do you get? 885 00:54:41,666 --> 00:54:44,207 You get something quite interesting, you know. 886 00:54:44,291 --> 00:54:47,541 (Mick Jones) I wanted to do something more of that time. 887 00:54:47,625 --> 00:54:52,166 I wanted to make music that reflected the music that we were hearing. 888 00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:56,833 It was just difficult 'cause... considering where I'd come from. 889 00:54:56,916 --> 00:54:59,332 It was a bit hard for me coming out of that. 890 00:54:59,416 --> 00:55:03,166 I immediately wanted to get on and do something. 891 00:55:03,250 --> 00:55:07,333 So, we did it all very fast and by '84 we were out there playing. 892 00:55:07,416 --> 00:55:09,374 (Dreamy synth music) 893 00:55:09,458 --> 00:55:11,374 Our first gig in New York 894 00:55:11,458 --> 00:55:13,166 was at this place downtown. 895 00:55:13,250 --> 00:55:16,416 Grace and her friend Jessica were there. 896 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,291 We went to the show and I met Don, 897 00:55:20,375 --> 00:55:23,500 and Don used to wear at the time dark sunglasses. 898 00:55:23,583 --> 00:55:26,291 And I just remember thinking that, you know, 899 00:55:26,375 --> 00:55:29,458 "Who wears sunglasses at night in a nightclub?" 900 00:55:29,541 --> 00:55:32,791 It started... Right from the start, we were kind of friends. 901 00:55:33,833 --> 00:55:37,333 And then they came to New York to record "Upping Street" 902 00:55:37,416 --> 00:55:40,249 and they were there for the whole summer. 903 00:55:41,208 --> 00:55:45,166 (Don) Problem with that was Audrey, who I'd met the year before, 904 00:55:45,250 --> 00:55:47,583 was about to have my first son. 905 00:55:47,666 --> 00:55:49,707 Just as Jet's being born, 906 00:55:49,791 --> 00:55:52,124 Mick asked me to join Big Audio Dynamite. 907 00:55:52,208 --> 00:55:55,708 And I throw myself into that like I do with every project I do. 908 00:55:55,791 --> 00:56:00,082 I was going to say our relationship suffered as a consequence of that, 909 00:56:00,166 --> 00:56:02,166 but it wasn't as a consequence of that. 910 00:56:02,250 --> 00:56:07,416 Our relationship suffered because I met Grace. 911 00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:10,083 Grace is your archetypal New Yorker. 912 00:56:10,166 --> 00:56:12,957 When I met her, she had peroxide blonde hair, 913 00:56:13,041 --> 00:56:15,249 legs for days, easy on the eyes. 914 00:56:15,333 --> 00:56:18,374 But what got us together was her character, 915 00:56:18,458 --> 00:56:23,416 eager and open to ideas and kind of inspired me to be better. 916 00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:29,208 I wanted to be a better person to earn her respect, earn her love. 917 00:56:30,958 --> 00:56:34,249 And having that behind me drove me forward. 918 00:56:34,333 --> 00:56:36,541 And it was a horrible overlap. 919 00:56:36,625 --> 00:56:39,041 I was leading a double life for like eight years. 920 00:56:39,125 --> 00:56:42,541 I can't actually remember, it was just a fucking big blur. 921 00:56:46,041 --> 00:56:48,666 (Upbeat electronic music fades in) 922 00:56:50,708 --> 00:56:53,333 We were really just experimenting with things 923 00:56:53,416 --> 00:56:56,082 and seeing if we can put this stuff in and... 924 00:56:56,166 --> 00:56:59,041 Don's contribution was so big. 925 00:56:59,916 --> 00:57:02,624 Don wrote lots of lyrics for the songs. 926 00:57:02,708 --> 00:57:05,416 (Greg Roberts) His contribution was not just musical. 927 00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:08,250 I think it brought the cinematic element. 928 00:57:08,333 --> 00:57:11,541 He brought something different Mick wouldn't have thought of, 929 00:57:11,625 --> 00:57:15,833 and the combination of the two working together was brilliant. 930 00:57:17,458 --> 00:57:21,083 (Leo Williams) He couldn't play, he didn't sing... 931 00:57:21,958 --> 00:57:23,624 ...but he can write. 932 00:57:23,708 --> 00:57:26,333 - (Chuckles softly) - He can write. 933 00:57:26,416 --> 00:57:29,541 I think he soaks up all that he's been through 934 00:57:29,625 --> 00:57:32,291 and he can put it to paper. 935 00:57:32,375 --> 00:57:36,541 And obviously he was feeling like he had to follow 936 00:57:36,625 --> 00:57:38,458 someone like Joe Strummer. 937 00:57:38,541 --> 00:57:41,541 I mean, come on, man, that was a special chemistry. 938 00:57:41,625 --> 00:57:44,416 That was a Jagger and Richards, Lennon and McCartney, 939 00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:45,958 Morrissey and Marr. 940 00:57:46,041 --> 00:57:48,332 These things don't happen that often. 941 00:58:01,166 --> 00:58:04,249 (Don) For the second album, Mick had the brilliant idea 942 00:58:04,333 --> 00:58:06,291 we should record it in New York. 943 00:58:06,375 --> 00:58:08,875 That was a real buzz 'cause while we were there, 944 00:58:08,958 --> 00:58:12,458 I went to Times Square one day and I bumped into Joe Strummer. 945 00:58:12,541 --> 00:58:16,666 One day, Don was walking down the street and he bumped into Joe 946 00:58:16,750 --> 00:58:19,500 and he said, "Come to the studio. We're doing a record." 947 00:58:19,583 --> 00:58:22,916 ♪ (Quietly) Da-dum da-da da-dum da-da, Tequila! 948 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,541 (Humming tune) 949 00:58:25,625 --> 00:58:28,166 And then he wouldn't leave. 950 00:58:29,833 --> 00:58:31,708 Try and keep it steady. 951 00:58:32,916 --> 00:58:34,791 He ended up co-producing the record 952 00:58:34,875 --> 00:58:38,291 and that was so, so great. For me, especially. 953 00:58:38,375 --> 00:58:40,434 (7 "V. Thirteen", Big Audio Dynamite) ♪ Sodom and Gomorrah, 954 00:58:40,458 --> 00:58:43,374 ♪ Let the DJ play... ♪ 955 00:58:43,458 --> 00:58:46,749 That was a good thing, because Joe and I, after The Clash, 956 00:58:46,833 --> 00:58:48,416 we soon became friends again. 957 00:58:48,500 --> 00:58:51,833 We just never got back together again as a group. 958 00:58:51,916 --> 00:58:55,457 You have no time when you're young because you're just rushing. 959 00:58:55,541 --> 00:58:58,999 If you thought it out, it might have been different, but no, you didn't. 960 00:58:59,083 --> 00:59:02,041 ♪ Like a paper cup, I fly around... ♪ 961 00:59:02,125 --> 00:59:03,791 And so that was good. 962 00:59:06,583 --> 00:59:08,708 What happened over the next month or so 963 00:59:08,791 --> 00:59:14,124 was that I had a front row seat watching these guys 964 00:59:15,208 --> 00:59:17,749 I guess kind of creatively fall in love again. 965 00:59:17,833 --> 00:59:19,273 (Melancholic guitar and synth music) 966 00:59:19,333 --> 00:59:23,041 And we just sat back and watched this thing happen. 967 00:59:24,083 --> 00:59:26,749 A lot of people could have been pissed off... 968 00:59:26,833 --> 00:59:30,749 ...by them getting back together in the middle of us making our album. 969 00:59:30,833 --> 00:59:34,166 But I felt privileged to see that happen. 970 00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:38,041 You know, you're talking about one of the greatest writing duos in history. 971 00:59:38,125 --> 00:59:40,541 (Melancholy music fades out, upbeat music plays) 972 00:59:40,625 --> 00:59:44,250 ♪ If you don't know where I come from 973 00:59:44,333 --> 00:59:48,249 ♪ You better steer clear of my trail 974 00:59:48,333 --> 00:59:49,916 ♪ From the dark side... ♪ 975 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,166 (Desmond Coy) They asked me to be their tour manager, 976 00:59:52,250 --> 00:59:54,458 and to me, that was a big buzz. 977 00:59:54,541 --> 00:59:56,874 And if it wasn't for Don and Big Audio Dynamite, 978 00:59:56,958 --> 00:59:59,083 I wouldn't have had the opportunity 979 00:59:59,166 --> 01:00:02,957 to be in places like Rome and Hollywood and New York. 980 01:00:03,041 --> 01:00:05,791 That gave me an opportunity to travel and see the world. 981 01:00:05,875 --> 01:00:07,541 (Paint spraying) 982 01:00:09,291 --> 01:00:12,291 (Desmond Coy) Big Audio liked having people backstage. 983 01:00:12,375 --> 01:00:16,041 And the fans loved to hang out with Don and Leo and them guys, making stuff. 984 01:00:16,125 --> 01:00:18,458 So part of my job was to kind of like... 985 01:00:19,333 --> 01:00:22,666 ...after the gig, I'd probably find some fans and whatever 986 01:00:22,750 --> 01:00:25,125 and give them a little sticker or something, 987 01:00:25,208 --> 01:00:27,041 to come backstage and... hang. 988 01:00:27,125 --> 01:00:29,791 OK, I'm ready for the show, Mick. I'm ready for a show. 989 01:00:29,875 --> 01:00:33,958 He was mischievous Don, you know. He loved to play pranks and he was... 990 01:00:34,041 --> 01:00:35,999 He's... a prankster. He's a joker. 991 01:00:36,083 --> 01:00:40,166 It's an important part of his makeup, his sense of humour. 992 01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:43,500 (Mick Jones) We were playing a great gig in Boston, early BAD, 993 01:00:43,583 --> 01:00:47,749 and then the dressing room was... it was crowded afterwards. 994 01:00:47,833 --> 01:00:50,208 - It was so crowded. - (Murmur of crowd) 995 01:00:50,291 --> 01:00:53,374 Don and I went into the cupboard because we wanted to talk, 996 01:00:53,458 --> 01:00:55,166 and we were in there talking. 997 01:00:55,250 --> 01:00:59,458 And then the janitor came in and got his mop and bucket. 998 01:00:59,541 --> 01:01:01,582 (Murmur of crowd) 999 01:01:01,666 --> 01:01:03,207 (Laughter in the background) 1000 01:01:08,875 --> 01:01:10,708 Yo... what's up. 1001 01:01:10,791 --> 01:01:12,707 (Mike D) Bosco is my main homie, man. 1002 01:01:31,375 --> 01:01:32,750 (Laughter) 1003 01:01:37,041 --> 01:01:38,707 You know what? No, no. 1004 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,000 Joshy... uh, this is... 1005 01:01:43,083 --> 01:01:47,333 (Don Letts) On one night in Irving Plaza, we had Pete Frampton in the audience, 1006 01:01:47,416 --> 01:01:51,041 Dave Stewart, Jimmy Cliff and David Bowie. 1007 01:01:51,125 --> 01:01:55,208 That was a buzz for the little black kid from Brixton, I can tell you. 1008 01:01:56,250 --> 01:01:58,333 (Loud footsteps) 1009 01:02:02,500 --> 01:02:05,416 From that moment on, from the time we were doing "Upping Street", 1010 01:02:05,500 --> 01:02:08,041 that's when Grace becomes part of my life. 1011 01:02:08,125 --> 01:02:09,833 (Melancholic instrumental) 1012 01:02:09,916 --> 01:02:11,249 Not officially. 1013 01:02:12,416 --> 01:02:14,166 (Grace Letts) We kind of couldn't separate. 1014 01:02:14,250 --> 01:02:17,791 We tried a few times, quite a few times, actually, 1015 01:02:17,875 --> 01:02:22,291 and it was just... something that was just inside. It was just what it was. 1016 01:02:23,333 --> 01:02:25,833 (Don Letts) I was trying to fight the inevitable. 1017 01:02:25,916 --> 01:02:30,124 I was trying to do the right thing. I didn't want to leave my kids. 1018 01:02:32,291 --> 01:02:34,374 But in so doing, I did the wrong thing. 1019 01:02:34,458 --> 01:02:36,833 What I should've done was put my hand up and go, 1020 01:02:36,916 --> 01:02:40,082 "Look, I'm sorry. I've fallen in love with somebody else." 1021 01:02:40,166 --> 01:02:41,999 I mean, easier said than done. 1022 01:02:42,083 --> 01:02:43,833 (I "Medicine Show", Big Audio Dynamite) 1023 01:02:43,916 --> 01:02:45,541 Undoubtedly, when we first went out, 1024 01:02:45,625 --> 01:02:48,708 people were expecting us to play Clash tunes and blah blah blah, 1025 01:02:48,791 --> 01:02:50,999 but we were doing so well with this new sound. 1026 01:02:51,083 --> 01:02:52,666 It sounded really different. 1027 01:02:54,875 --> 01:02:57,291 No one had kind of done that mix before 1028 01:02:57,375 --> 01:03:00,208 and had hits with the sample and dialogue. 1029 01:03:00,291 --> 01:03:02,249 We were having commercial success 1030 01:03:02,333 --> 01:03:05,083 with a new way of approaching music writing. 1031 01:03:07,333 --> 01:03:10,499 ♪ Covered wagon, Medicine Show... 1032 01:03:10,583 --> 01:03:14,666 When I first held our debut album, "This is Big Audio Dynamite", 1033 01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:16,916 it felt like I'd arrived. 1034 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,708 J... we got the juice... 1035 01:03:18,791 --> 01:03:21,457 (Don Letts) I got my ticket, da da da. 1036 01:03:21,541 --> 01:03:24,332 For this child that had grown up so enamoured with music 1037 01:03:24,416 --> 01:03:27,749 and part of the vinyl generation and having this analogue attitude, 1038 01:03:27,833 --> 01:03:32,333 I finally get to chip in my five cents, man. 1039 01:03:32,416 --> 01:03:37,832 And I started to find my feet and became a lot more confident 1040 01:03:37,916 --> 01:03:41,666 'cause from then on, it was a fairly cool run for about eight years. 1041 01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:43,458 ♪ ...and the high plains too 1042 01:03:43,541 --> 01:03:46,249 ♪ Never stopped long Just passing through... ♪ 1043 01:03:46,333 --> 01:03:48,517 (Don Letts) I ain't going to lie, there was some kind of... 1044 01:03:48,541 --> 01:03:49,791 (TV static) 1045 01:03:49,875 --> 01:03:53,375 ...behind the scenes business shenanigans going on 1046 01:03:53,458 --> 01:03:57,166 that were beginning to grate with me, but there was something else going on. 1047 01:03:57,250 --> 01:03:59,708 I realised I was starting to write these lyrics 1048 01:03:59,791 --> 01:04:03,457 that were very personal to me and I didn't think it was fair 1049 01:04:03,541 --> 01:04:06,166 to ask Mick to sing those songs. 1050 01:04:06,250 --> 01:04:08,250 (Moody electric guitar instrumental) 1051 01:04:08,333 --> 01:04:10,458 (Don Letts) Between that and the normal things 1052 01:04:10,541 --> 01:04:14,499 that make great bands implode, I was off. 1053 01:04:15,708 --> 01:04:18,083 And I started a group called Screaming Targets. 1054 01:04:18,166 --> 01:04:20,999 (♪ "Who Killed King Tubby", Screaming Targets) 1055 01:04:21,083 --> 01:04:23,791 I wanted to know what I could do without Mick. 1056 01:04:23,875 --> 01:04:27,041 Same way probably Mick wanted to know what he could do without Joe. 1057 01:04:27,125 --> 01:04:29,375 The problem is Mick's a musician and I'm not. 1058 01:04:29,458 --> 01:04:31,333 (Laughs) 1059 01:04:31,416 --> 01:04:34,082 Having said that, I ain't ashamed of Screaming Target. 1060 01:04:34,166 --> 01:04:36,207 Should have got a vocalist, only mistake. 1061 01:04:36,291 --> 01:04:39,166 Ugh, yeah, fucking ego, man. Get you every time. 1062 01:04:39,250 --> 01:04:41,333 Call it synchronicity or some weird shit, 1063 01:04:41,416 --> 01:04:44,207 but I get fed up with Screaming Target, I get a phone call. 1064 01:04:44,291 --> 01:04:48,166 "Do I want to come and film second unit covering the independence of Namibia?" 1065 01:04:48,250 --> 01:04:49,958 (Upbeat music) 1066 01:04:50,041 --> 01:04:51,957 (TV) Liberations. 1067 01:04:52,041 --> 01:04:55,041 (Don Letts) The idea was to go round the country and interview people 1068 01:04:55,125 --> 01:05:00,708 and cover the effect of Namibia's independence. That was a buzz. 1069 01:05:01,833 --> 01:05:05,916 First time I'm going back to the land of my forefathers. 1070 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,458 I mean, first off, I'd never been in any environment 1071 01:05:09,541 --> 01:05:10,957 where everybody was black. 1072 01:05:12,166 --> 01:05:15,666 The other shock was I'm there with, like, a white film crew, 1073 01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:17,666 must have had about six people under me. 1074 01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:21,333 I don't know what you're saying about me. It's my hair... mine. 1075 01:05:21,416 --> 01:05:24,041 And the Africans, kind of, "OK, you are white people. 1076 01:05:24,125 --> 01:05:26,083 "We've seen you. We know what you are." 1077 01:05:26,166 --> 01:05:28,999 Don't be taking it off me. Don't take it off me. 1078 01:05:29,083 --> 01:05:31,749 With me, they were totally freaked. 1079 01:05:31,833 --> 01:05:33,624 And they couldn't figure me out. 1080 01:05:33,708 --> 01:05:35,666 - I'm home. I'm home. - (Woman) Aw! 1081 01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:38,250 (Don Letts) That was a major eye opener. 1082 01:05:38,333 --> 01:05:45,333 I think what really freaked me out was how alien my roots were to me. 1083 01:05:45,416 --> 01:05:47,457 (Rhythmic clapping) 1084 01:05:47,541 --> 01:05:50,124 You felt like through the reggae and your education 1085 01:05:50,208 --> 01:05:52,499 and all the rest of it, you had some connection. 1086 01:05:52,583 --> 01:05:56,208 But no, man. I realised I was the lost tribe. 1087 01:05:56,291 --> 01:05:59,041 I actually went out to the Namibian desert. 1088 01:05:59,125 --> 01:06:02,500 It's a vast place - you'd be driving in your jeep 1089 01:06:02,583 --> 01:06:04,958 and you'd see these people coming towards you. 1090 01:06:05,041 --> 01:06:08,582 You can see behind them and there's nothing for miles in the distance. 1091 01:06:09,791 --> 01:06:11,541 You've just come from the same thing. 1092 01:06:13,083 --> 01:06:16,291 These people are just walking through the desert. 1093 01:06:16,375 --> 01:06:18,916 We were in the Namibian desert for three or four days, 1094 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,041 and we actually got lost. 1095 01:06:21,125 --> 01:06:23,166 At one point, I thought I was going to die. 1096 01:06:23,250 --> 01:06:26,416 I mean, we ran out of gas, we'd broken down 1097 01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:31,083 and, uh, we were rescued by some German safari people. 1098 01:06:31,166 --> 01:06:34,124 Never been so glad to see white people in my fucking life. 1099 01:06:35,375 --> 01:06:37,791 I think what I took from that African experience 1100 01:06:37,875 --> 01:06:40,791 was the fact that, for better or worse, 1101 01:06:40,875 --> 01:06:45,583 I was this kind of unique black and British thing, 1102 01:06:45,666 --> 01:06:48,499 and to pretend that I was anything else was ridiculous. 1103 01:06:50,291 --> 01:06:53,166 You've got to understand, from the time I did my first video, 1104 01:06:53,250 --> 01:06:58,250 Public Image's debut, I kept that going on for quite a while 1105 01:06:58,333 --> 01:07:00,708 and sort of squeezed one in whenever I could. 1106 01:07:00,791 --> 01:07:02,541 (I "Back on the Chain Gang", The Pretenders) 1107 01:07:02,625 --> 01:07:06,000 I did nearly 400 music videos for various bands. 1108 01:07:06,083 --> 01:07:09,499 You know, I don't think I stopped till around the mid-90s. 1109 01:07:10,666 --> 01:07:12,832 I did videos for Elvis Costello. 1110 01:07:12,916 --> 01:07:15,957 I did Chrissie's video "Back on the Chain Gang". 1111 01:07:16,041 --> 01:07:20,332 ♪ Oh, back on the chain gang... ♪ 1112 01:07:20,416 --> 01:07:24,457 (Don Letts) The Pogues, "Summer in Siam", S Express. 1113 01:07:26,208 --> 01:07:31,458 Baaba Maal, Maxi Priest, Shabba Ranks, 1114 01:07:32,583 --> 01:07:35,958 Jimmy Cliff, The Gap Band, 1115 01:07:36,041 --> 01:07:37,999 Linton Kwesi Johnson, 1116 01:07:38,083 --> 01:07:40,083 Black Uhuru, 1117 01:07:40,166 --> 01:07:43,332 Sly and Robbie, did Eddie Grant in Jamaica, 1118 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,583 took Shaun Ryder's group Black Grape there. 1119 01:07:49,833 --> 01:07:51,666 I shot the first video with Ice T init. 1120 01:07:53,166 --> 01:07:55,624 Got to make a couple of videos for Bob Marley. 1121 01:07:55,708 --> 01:08:00,124 ♪ I don't wanna wait in vain For your love... ♪ 1122 01:08:00,208 --> 01:08:04,249 Then one day, there was a week when nothing on the slate appealed to me. 1123 01:08:04,333 --> 01:08:09,166 And... a track came in by this band called Ratt. 1124 01:08:09,250 --> 01:08:10,750 (5 "Round and Round", Ratt) 1125 01:08:10,833 --> 01:08:12,583 "Round and Round", it was called. 1126 01:08:14,291 --> 01:08:18,207 And we put it out there on tour supporting Motley Crue. 1127 01:08:18,291 --> 01:08:20,707 This fucking video is a smash, 1128 01:08:20,791 --> 01:08:23,832 and in the middle of the tour, they had to switch the headlines 1129 01:08:23,916 --> 01:08:26,541 and Ratt became the headline group. 1130 01:08:26,625 --> 01:08:29,125 That's probably in the States, my most famous video. 1131 01:08:29,208 --> 01:08:32,666 ♪ You make the night, I always cross the line 1132 01:08:32,750 --> 01:08:34,291 ♪ Tightened our belts... ♪ 1133 01:08:36,041 --> 01:08:40,541 (& "Pass the Dutchie", Musical Youth) ♪ This generation rules the nation 1134 01:08:40,625 --> 01:08:43,250 (Don Letts) I guess some of my proudest video moments 1135 01:08:43,333 --> 01:08:46,791 would be things like Musical Youth, "Pass the Dutchie". 1136 01:08:46,875 --> 01:08:49,875 That was number one in 18 countries around the world. 1137 01:08:49,958 --> 01:08:53,208 It was actually the first black video on MTV. 1138 01:08:53,291 --> 01:08:57,041 But they didn't count it - the brother's like this big and had a Birmingham accent. 1139 01:08:57,125 --> 01:09:00,250 ♪ Pass the Dutchie 'pon the left hand side 1140 01:09:00,333 --> 01:09:02,958 ♪ Pass the Dutchie 'pon the left hand side 1141 01:09:03,041 --> 01:09:06,332 ♪ It a go bun (give me the music Make me jump and prance) ♪ 1142 01:09:06,416 --> 01:09:09,124 (Don Letts) In the '80s, I'd kind of made a name for myself 1143 01:09:09,208 --> 01:09:13,208 as a video director, and I get a phone call from MTV, 1144 01:09:13,291 --> 01:09:15,416 "You're the guy that makes The Clash videos, 1145 01:09:15,500 --> 01:09:17,666 "we'd like you to come in and do an interview." 1146 01:09:17,750 --> 01:09:19,291 Great... I'll do an interview. 1147 01:09:19,375 --> 01:09:22,291 I go to their office in Midtown New York somewhere. 1148 01:09:22,375 --> 01:09:23,625 This is the early '80s. 1149 01:09:24,833 --> 01:09:28,166 I walk into the office. Everyone's looking at me kind of fucking weird. 1150 01:09:28,250 --> 01:09:31,291 I'm like, "What the fuck?!" Like... (sniffs). I smell all right. 1151 01:09:31,375 --> 01:09:34,041 And then this guy sheepishly comes up to me 1152 01:09:34,125 --> 01:09:35,791 and takes me into this office, 1153 01:09:35,875 --> 01:09:38,125 and he sits me down, hangs his head and says, 1154 01:09:38,208 --> 01:09:39,916 "This is really embarrassing. 1155 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,083 "Donnelly can't do an interview with you." 1156 01:09:42,166 --> 01:09:43,332 I'm like, "How come?" 1157 01:09:43,416 --> 01:09:45,874 He's like, "We didn't know you were black." 1158 01:09:45,958 --> 01:09:48,291 (Dennis Bovell) There were no black artists on MTV. 1159 01:09:48,375 --> 01:09:51,000 So putting them right in front of Parliament 1160 01:09:51,083 --> 01:09:56,499 was a message to the then government, kind of knocking on the door, as it were. 1161 01:09:56,583 --> 01:09:59,291 He took them to the living rooms of Britain. 1162 01:10:00,166 --> 01:10:06,291 Don was the spearhead of making videos in England for black groups. 1163 01:10:07,875 --> 01:10:11,041 One - he's intelligent. 1164 01:10:11,125 --> 01:10:13,791 Two - he's very brave. 1165 01:10:13,875 --> 01:10:18,208 He's not afraid to knock on the door of someone like Chris Blackwell 1166 01:10:18,291 --> 01:10:22,041 and say, "Look, I've got an idea. Fly me to Jamaica. 1167 01:10:22,125 --> 01:10:24,166 "And when I come back, you're going to have 1168 01:10:24,250 --> 01:10:27,791 "the most amazing film you've ever seen." 1169 01:10:27,875 --> 01:10:29,500 (♪ "Dancehall Queen", Beenie Man) 1170 01:10:29,583 --> 01:10:31,541 (Don Letts) "Dancehall Queen." 1171 01:10:31,625 --> 01:10:34,166 A homage really to "The Harder They Come", 1172 01:10:34,250 --> 01:10:38,500 which is about this larger than life, macho Jamaican male character. 1173 01:10:38,583 --> 01:10:41,541 And it struck me that it was really the women 1174 01:10:41,625 --> 01:10:43,583 that were keeping Jamaica together. 1175 01:10:43,666 --> 01:10:46,207 You can't stay here, so you know. This plot reserved. 1176 01:10:46,291 --> 01:10:48,332 I no move, sister. 1177 01:10:48,416 --> 01:10:49,624 Move for me now. 1178 01:10:49,708 --> 01:10:52,874 (Don Letts) All the guys still wanted to be like, Jimmy Cliff... 1179 01:10:52,958 --> 01:10:54,833 What you think I do? Eh? 1180 01:10:54,916 --> 01:10:56,207 Me try keep you move. 1181 01:10:56,291 --> 01:11:00,207 You no hear what me say? Me say, I no move. 1182 01:11:00,291 --> 01:11:03,332 He's great because the topics he chooses to work with 1183 01:11:03,416 --> 01:11:06,791 are culturally very important, um to... 1184 01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:10,833 ...shaping opinions and forming perceptions, 1185 01:11:10,916 --> 01:11:13,374 especially, you know, of black British. 1186 01:11:13,458 --> 01:11:18,083 He makes these films and documentaries from the platform of personal experience 1187 01:11:18,166 --> 01:11:25,166 and he's able to bring all of that personal lifestyle experience to the screen. 1188 01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:26,541 (Droning electric guitar) 1189 01:11:26,625 --> 01:11:29,541 (Grantley Marshall) When he talks about something in documentaries, 1190 01:11:29,625 --> 01:11:32,125 he talks about it from a personal point of view, 1191 01:11:32,208 --> 01:11:34,833 like you're looking out of his eyes. 1192 01:11:34,916 --> 01:11:40,457 It's always about a black kid growing up in this society 1193 01:11:40,541 --> 01:11:43,166 with all these different things going on. 1194 01:11:43,250 --> 01:11:46,000 So there's some sort of relation to what he's about 1195 01:11:46,083 --> 01:11:49,208 or how he felt within that situation. 1196 01:11:50,083 --> 01:11:52,083 (Andi Oliver) When you look at Don's body of work, 1197 01:11:52,166 --> 01:11:56,582 things like Gil Scott-Heron. Sun Ra, 1198 01:11:57,625 --> 01:12:00,750 the Clash documentary, all of that stuff, there's a link. 1199 01:12:00,833 --> 01:12:05,583 All of those people, their creative and cultural output is about freedom 1200 01:12:05,666 --> 01:12:07,957 and it's about a kind of fire in the belly. 1201 01:12:08,041 --> 01:12:12,291 And that's really key and really important because if you're actually changing 1202 01:12:12,375 --> 01:12:14,916 the world around you or crossing boundaries, 1203 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,958 what you need to be doing is following your creative path 1204 01:12:19,041 --> 01:12:22,207 and just pushing yourself down the road that you want to be down. 1205 01:12:23,375 --> 01:12:27,125 (Don Letts) I do something I feel needs to justify the space it occupies. 1206 01:12:28,958 --> 01:12:31,749 Made films about things that mean something, man, 1207 01:12:31,833 --> 01:12:34,374 they deserve that space, 1208 01:12:34,458 --> 01:12:38,166 and they can actually help to move things forward. 1209 01:12:38,250 --> 01:12:43,250 I'm always trying to make a film about myself through these people. 1210 01:12:43,333 --> 01:12:47,874 I've always gravitated to artists that aren't defined by their colour. 1211 01:12:48,791 --> 01:12:50,832 I believe that these people are doing something 1212 01:12:50,916 --> 01:12:54,291 that's worth passing on because they're part of me, 1213 01:12:54,375 --> 01:12:56,750 and it's about passing on this energy. 1214 01:12:56,833 --> 01:12:58,999 (Fading cacophony of sounds) 1215 01:12:59,083 --> 01:13:01,874 It either speaks to me or doesn't. 1216 01:13:03,958 --> 01:13:07,249 (Phone vibrating) 1217 01:13:07,333 --> 01:13:09,999 One second, started to shoot edit, phones buzzing. 1218 01:13:12,083 --> 01:13:15,208 Oh, I got to take it, it's my daughter. Hello. Hello. 1219 01:13:15,291 --> 01:13:17,999 - (Muffled voice) Hello, Dad? - Yeah, hello. Go on. 1220 01:13:18,083 --> 01:13:21,041 (Liberty) Hi. We're just down Oxford Street, 1221 01:13:21,125 --> 01:13:23,416 having a sit down 'cause it's hot. 1222 01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:27,375 OK, baby. And then what are you doing after Oxford Street? 1223 01:13:27,458 --> 01:13:29,208 (Muffled speech on phone) 1224 01:13:29,291 --> 01:13:30,624 OK, baby, hang out for... 1225 01:13:30,708 --> 01:13:34,666 If it's a nice day, hang out down there. It's safer than other places. All right? 1226 01:13:34,750 --> 01:13:37,541 - (Liberty) All right. - All right. Speak to you later. Bye. 1227 01:13:37,625 --> 01:13:40,125 - Sorry, guys. Bye. - (Liberty) OK, bye. 1228 01:13:40,208 --> 01:13:42,666 - Where was I? - (Calming synth instrumental) 1229 01:13:42,750 --> 01:13:46,916 After, um, I got busted and Audrey kicked me out, 1230 01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,375 it was inevitable that me and Grace would get together. 1231 01:13:50,458 --> 01:13:53,541 And eventually, we got married. 1232 01:13:53,625 --> 01:13:57,250 (Grace Letts) Don and I got married November 20th, 1997. 1233 01:13:58,125 --> 01:14:01,583 It was almost like destiny, like we were supposed to be together, 1234 01:14:01,666 --> 01:14:06,624 even through all these kind of, uh, you know, ups and downs. 1235 01:14:07,625 --> 01:14:12,208 From quite early on, I always knew that it's going to be forever. 1236 01:14:12,291 --> 01:14:14,166 It was just something I just knew. 1237 01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:21,000 And inevitably, a few years later, we had our first child, Honor. 1238 01:14:21,083 --> 01:14:23,249 We had another child, Liberty. 1239 01:14:23,333 --> 01:14:26,208 So, I had Grace, Liberty and Honor. 1240 01:14:29,041 --> 01:14:33,624 I had two beautiful kids with Audrey, Amber and Jet. 1241 01:14:33,708 --> 01:14:36,458 And despite their father being somewhat of a dick 1242 01:14:36,541 --> 01:14:41,249 when they were growing up, they've turned out as really great adults. 1243 01:14:41,333 --> 01:14:45,583 And there was a very, very frosty period with Jet 1244 01:14:45,666 --> 01:14:48,416 when I left his mother and met Grace, 1245 01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:51,125 and he didn't speak to me for, like, four or five years. 1246 01:14:51,208 --> 01:14:54,583 But time heals a lot of shit, obviously. 1247 01:14:54,666 --> 01:14:56,832 And now we've got a great relationship. 1248 01:14:58,666 --> 01:15:01,832 In fact, he's just had a son himself, so I'm a grandfather. 1249 01:15:01,916 --> 01:15:04,541 I've actually got two other grandchildren. 1250 01:15:05,666 --> 01:15:06,791 Both girls. 1251 01:15:09,333 --> 01:15:12,291 (Grace Letts) To see Don with kids is a really sweet thing. 1252 01:15:13,416 --> 01:15:15,249 That's the softer side of him. 1253 01:15:16,458 --> 01:15:18,333 It kind of melts the heart. 1254 01:15:20,875 --> 01:15:23,708 (Don Letts) Everything I am comes from music. 1255 01:15:23,791 --> 01:15:26,166 (Sparse electric guitar instrumental) 1256 01:15:30,208 --> 01:15:32,624 It was music that got me to the Roxy. 1257 01:15:32,708 --> 01:15:34,958 It was music that got me to Jamaica. 1258 01:15:35,041 --> 01:15:37,999 It was music that got me into being a filmmaker. 1259 01:15:39,166 --> 01:15:41,374 Music is the elixir of life. 1260 01:15:43,583 --> 01:15:46,124 (I "Baby Face", Sound Dimension) 1261 01:15:46,208 --> 01:15:51,416 (Don Letts) It's a great way to kind of communicate to people through culture. 1262 01:15:54,875 --> 01:15:59,166 Music has that potential to change people's life, 1263 01:15:59,250 --> 01:16:01,250 to inform and inspire. 1264 01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:08,000 I've learn t more from music than anything else to this very day. 1265 01:16:10,500 --> 01:16:15,041 My love of music, art, film and that, it's a very personal thing. 1266 01:16:15,125 --> 01:16:16,916 I don't give a fuck if you like it. 1267 01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,708 I'm not on some life mission to educate the people. 1268 01:16:22,916 --> 01:16:24,541 I'm trying to educate myself. 1269 01:16:26,708 --> 01:16:29,791 ♪ Sock it to me, baby (5 "Do It To Me Baby", Derrick Morgan) 1270 01:16:36,458 --> 01:16:39,374 (Don on radio) Wake the town and tell the people. I'm Don Letts, 1271 01:16:39,458 --> 01:16:44,041 and for the next two hours, I'm your guy for a musical ride on BBC 6 Music. 1272 01:16:45,583 --> 01:16:47,166 (Don Letts) I've spent my whole life... 1273 01:16:48,541 --> 01:16:50,207 ...charging forwards. 1274 01:16:50,291 --> 01:16:53,749 I've always hoped I'd be so busy that I wouldn't have time to look back. 1275 01:16:53,833 --> 01:16:55,916 (♪ "All Things Must Pass", George Harrison) 1276 01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:57,833 (Don Letts) Most people come and go, 1277 01:16:57,916 --> 01:17:00,332 and no one even knows they fucking existed. 1278 01:17:01,458 --> 01:17:03,666 I guess I don't want to be one of those people. 1279 01:17:05,625 --> 01:17:09,416 You just work toward something that's slightly better than when you arrived. 1280 01:17:11,875 --> 01:17:15,041 It's like you have this vision of yourself and who you might be. 1281 01:17:15,125 --> 01:17:18,333 And you try your hardest to become it. And Don certainly has become it. 1282 01:17:18,416 --> 01:17:21,874 I would say there's a lot of larger than life characters in Don's life, 1283 01:17:21,958 --> 01:17:24,874 but that's because that's effectively what he is. 1284 01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:29,750 He's a person of conviction. 1285 01:17:29,833 --> 01:17:33,291 He had something to say. Wasn't shy in saying it. 1286 01:17:34,875 --> 01:17:36,541 His heart's always in the right place. 1287 01:17:36,625 --> 01:17:39,291 He's honest to goodness, what you see is what you get. 1288 01:17:39,375 --> 01:17:40,916 That's his voice. 1289 01:17:43,416 --> 01:17:47,499 He was trying to always make people feel inclusive to his thing. 1290 01:17:47,583 --> 01:17:50,708 It's not just our thing. This is your thing too. 1291 01:17:51,833 --> 01:17:54,499 We're not here to take something. We're here to give. 1292 01:17:56,541 --> 01:17:58,041 (Don Letts) I know what it's like 1293 01:17:58,125 --> 01:18:01,458 to be allowed to break down racial stereotypes, 1294 01:18:01,541 --> 01:18:06,291 to break down perceptions of who you are, what you are and what you represent. 1295 01:18:06,375 --> 01:18:08,416 It works in two ways, I think. 1296 01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:12,416 It either motivates you, or it can crush you. 1297 01:18:14,541 --> 01:18:19,416 (Andi Oliver) But he's still making films, he's deejaying, he's doing radio shows, 1298 01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:24,208 still innovating, using culture to change the world around him, 1299 01:18:24,291 --> 01:18:25,707 and that is power. 1300 01:18:25,791 --> 01:18:28,124 That's fire. And that's essential. 1301 01:18:32,125 --> 01:18:35,750 (Don Letts) My parents' generation were like work fodder 1302 01:18:35,833 --> 01:18:38,249 as far as England was concerned. 1303 01:18:39,375 --> 01:18:43,291 They gave their hearts and soul to help rebuild this country. 1304 01:18:44,333 --> 01:18:47,333 And, uh, yeah, it's not appreciated. 1305 01:18:47,416 --> 01:18:50,457 (♪ "All Things Must Pass", George Harrison fades out) 1306 01:18:50,541 --> 01:18:52,082 It never is, is it? 1307 01:18:53,666 --> 01:18:55,207 Punk rock's a living thing. 1308 01:18:55,291 --> 01:18:58,457 It's something to look forward to, not something to look back on. 1309 01:18:59,458 --> 01:19:00,916 (Chanting) 1310 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,500 (Don Letts) It's the birthright of all young people, of everybody. 1311 01:19:04,583 --> 01:19:06,916 (Chanting) 1312 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,375 (Don Letts) And this spirit and attitude is not just about music. 1313 01:19:10,458 --> 01:19:12,958 - It's not even just about art. - Black Lives Matter! 1314 01:19:13,041 --> 01:19:15,999 (Don Letts) You get punk rock about anything you do. 1315 01:19:16,083 --> 01:19:18,583 (Chanting) 1316 01:19:18,666 --> 01:19:22,207 (Don Letts) And it wasn't something designed to look back on. 1317 01:19:22,291 --> 01:19:24,582 (Crowd singing) ♪ This land is your land... 1318 01:19:24,666 --> 01:19:27,332 - (Don Letts) You can take it forward. - (TV static) 1319 01:19:28,250 --> 01:19:30,791 (Quiet melancholic instrumental) 1320 01:19:32,041 --> 01:19:36,249 (Don Letts) Maybe they'll realise the best you can do is to work towards 1321 01:19:36,333 --> 01:19:38,624 things you probably won't see happen. 1322 01:19:40,041 --> 01:19:43,207 Let them take the board and take it to the next base. 1323 01:19:45,208 --> 01:19:47,166 Have a good time. 1324 01:19:47,250 --> 01:19:49,000 Look good. 1325 01:19:49,083 --> 01:19:51,499 And try your very best not to be a cunt. 1326 01:19:52,458 --> 01:19:54,999 (&' "ll Fought The Law", The Clash) 1327 01:20:07,041 --> 01:20:10,499 ♪ Breakin' rocks in the hot sun 1328 01:20:10,583 --> 01:20:13,874 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1329 01:20:13,958 --> 01:20:16,916 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1330 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,208 ♪ I needed money 'cause I had none 1331 01:20:20,291 --> 01:20:23,374 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1332 01:20:23,458 --> 01:20:26,583 ♪ I fought the war and the law won 1333 01:20:26,666 --> 01:20:29,749 ♪ I left my baby and it feels so bad 1334 01:20:29,833 --> 01:20:31,999 ♪ Guess my race is run 1335 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,166 ♪ She's the best girl that I ever had 1336 01:20:36,250 --> 01:20:39,166 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1337 01:20:39,250 --> 01:20:40,833 ♪ I fought the law and the... 1338 01:21:10,500 --> 01:21:13,916 ♪ Robbin' people with a six-gun 1339 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,083 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1340 01:21:17,166 --> 01:21:20,291 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1341 01:21:20,375 --> 01:21:23,500 ♪ I lost my girl and I lost my fun 1342 01:21:23,583 --> 01:21:26,749 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1343 01:21:26,833 --> 01:21:29,666 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1344 01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:33,125 ♪ I left my baby and it feels so bad 1345 01:21:33,208 --> 01:21:35,249 ♪ Guess my race is run 1346 01:21:36,208 --> 01:21:39,458 ♪ She's the best girl that I ever had 1347 01:21:39,541 --> 01:21:42,541 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1348 01:21:42,625 --> 01:21:44,541 ♪ I fought the law and the... 1349 01:21:58,333 --> 01:22:01,624 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1350 01:22:01,708 --> 01:22:04,708 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1351 01:22:04,791 --> 01:22:07,874 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1352 01:22:07,958 --> 01:22:10,958 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1353 01:22:11,041 --> 01:22:14,082 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1354 01:22:14,166 --> 01:22:17,166 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1355 01:22:17,250 --> 01:22:20,333 ♪ I fought the law and the law won 1356 01:22:20,416 --> 01:22:22,207 ♪ I fought the law and the...J 1357 01:22:23,166 --> 01:22:25,874 (&' "ll Fought the Law," The Clash ends) 1358 01:22:30,041 --> 01:22:32,707 (Melancholic instrumental plays) 1359 01:23:07,916 --> 01:23:11,041 (Melancholic instrumental fades) 1360 01:23:11,125 --> 01:23:13,208 Subtitles by Day for Night 120973

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