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-Hi. Nice to meet you.
-Hi, Lauren. Nice to meet you.
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Thank you so much for speaking to me
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because we found you through
the restraining order that you filed,
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so I'm, like, really curious, like,
what was your relationship to Chris?
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So, I was in a romantic relationship
with him, and I was defrauded.
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Yeah.
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I've had some bad relationships before,
but nothing to this magnitude.
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By the end of it, I was terrified because
I have no idea who this person was.
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So how did you guys meet?
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We connected on Instagram.
So that's kind of where it all started.
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-Did he reach out on Instagram or did it--
-Yes. Yeah.
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He had a lot of pictures of him
just being very active,
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and I probably talked to him
maybe two, three months on Instagram.
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He said he was an ex-baseball player
for the LA Dodgers.
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And I was very impressed with that.
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So after two or three months
of just chatting,
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he actually came to visit me,
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because he lived in California,
and I lived in Arizona.
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The first time I saw him,
I remember thinking he was really tall,
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he was really in shape,
and he dressed well.
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And he just had this charisma about him
where he just carried himself really well.
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We spent the whole weekend together,
and it was great.
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It was exactly
who I was texting and talking to.
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He was attentive.
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He opened the car door for me,
opened the restaurant door for me.
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Just the Southern gentleman that
I really saw myself settling down with.
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After that first trip, he texted me
and asked me to be his girlfriend.
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At the time, I thought
that was just really romantic and sweet.
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I said, "Let's give this a try. Why not?
What's the worst that could happen?"
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I just immediately just felt like
he was somebody I had been looking for.
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Like, he was just so charismatic,
and persuasive, and intelligent.
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Over the course of three months,
he came to visit me four or five times.
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-Oh, wow!
-Yeah, so he was very persistent.
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I was quite impressed by him.
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He had several years
of being a professional baseball player.
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We had a deep friendship.
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I felt like I had known him for years.
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I definitely felt very happy.
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But the honeymoon stage
didn't last very long.
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One day, when he came to visit me,
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he was complaining
about his accounts being frozen.
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It was frozen due to fraud.
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I've had fraud happen
several times in my life,
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and I've had cards freeze randomly
and didn't think anything of it.
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He would go on and on and complain,
"I don't know what I'm going to do."
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"I've never been in this position."
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"And my rent is past due
because of this account-freezing issue."
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I lent him money.
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It was little by little,
$800 here, $1,200 there.
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At the time, I just thought it was just
a great guy that was down on his luck,
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that was having issues.
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I said, "Once your accounts are unfrozen,
are you able to pay me everything?"
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And he said, "It's not a big deal."
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"I have $160,000 in an account back home
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for a sign-on bonus
from when I was an LA Dodger."
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"Once I get that,
I'll just transfer it to your bank."
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Eventually, you know, two months in,
I sat there and I started adding it up.
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-Yeah.
-And I'm like, okay.
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I-- This is not a normal thing.
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And I started pressing him
for, like, a timeline.
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-To give me some type of answer.
-Yeah.
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And it was always defensive,
it was always excuses.
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One day, I was in town in LA.
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I figured, why don't I just go say hi?
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The area was unsafe,
like, car alarms going on.
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I walked up to his apartment,
and he had several deadbolts,
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which I feel like it's not standard.
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He opened the door, immediately walked in,
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dead bolted the door, looked around.
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My stomach was turning.
It was just like, there's something wrong.
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I started kind of asking him about that,
and his responses were just,
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"Oh, I'm always traveling."
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He asked me to spend the night, I refused.
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Who is this person that I'm dating?
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If he's so successful,
then it's not adding up.
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And I'm starting to panic.
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The next thing I know,
my card was maxed out.
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I called the bank immediately.
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I found out that Chris had taken
tens of thousands of dollars.
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When he would come and visit,
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I believe he was using my laptop
when I wasn't around,
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and he was logging on to my online banking
and requesting cash advances.
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And as soon as the cash advances
were available in my account,
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he was transferring them to his account.
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I started getting extremely angry with him
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and started asking him a lot of questions,
and that's when he lost it.
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That's when Chris started becoming
extremely irate and angry with me.
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He started threatening me. He said,
"I know where you live, where you work."
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"Things will be so bad for you.
They'll be so terrible."
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-Yeah, I know.
-What?
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I know, it's wild.
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It escalated
in a very short period of time.
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Chris was not who I thought he was.
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He was not the person
that I was falling in love with.
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He kept saying,
"Things are going to be so bad for you."
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He was threatening my livelihood.
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He knew where I lived.
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I moved out of my apartment
because I was terrified.
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At one point, I actually switched cars
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because I didn't know
what he was capable of.
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Chris went from the Southern gentleman
to someone that was terrorizing me,
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that was so scary to the point
of me having to get a restraining order.
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I felt like he would definitely
try to hurt me, absolutely.
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It's horrendous.
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How much money was it?
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I believe over $50,000.
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-A lot of money.
-Yeah.
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So after the restraining order,
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did you ever go to the police
regarding the money that he took?
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-Yes.
-What did they tell you?
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I've contacted
several different police agencies.
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I did a police report trying to explain
everything that happened,
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and they just really dismissed
my whole story.
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I tried for a very long time,
and I just gave up.
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Would you be willing to give a statement?
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Yes.
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The impact that he's had on my life,
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it's been one of the most,
if not the most,
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traumatic experiences that I've ever had.
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I still have PTSD sometimes
when I see people that look like him.
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I kind of flinch.
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It's just… something that will probably be
with me my entire life.
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I just hope he's prosecuted and I hope
someone does something about it.
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After what Chris did to me,
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I was feeling, like,
really helpless with my life.
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That's when I, like, started…
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really thinking about, like,
what I was gonna do.
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Like, if I hurt myself…
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maybe that would just be easier.
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I'm such a strong person.
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I've gone through
so much in my life that, like,
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never did I ever think
about, like, giving up.
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-Hi. Jim? Hi. Nice to meet you.
-Hey. Yeah. How you doing?
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-Just sit over here?
-Absolutely.
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Thank you for talking to me,
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'cause we have been looking
into Chris Lloyd.
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And I've heard that you
might have known him back in the day.
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Chris and I met in June of 2012.
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Okay.
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Um, we were playing for a team in Canada,
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the London Rippers,
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and, uh, Chris and I were teammates
for a month and a half, almost two months.
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He was an outstanding, I mean,
outstanding athlete on the baseball field.
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Very charming to be around.
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Yeah, I've seen videos of him.
He looks good.
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The London Rippers
is an independent baseball team.
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The lowest rung from Major League
Baseball, let's just say that.
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He says that he played then
for the Dodgers in the Major League.
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-Do you know anything about that?
-That's not true.
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-Whoa.
-He played probably 20 games with us.
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-Thirteen at bats.
-Mm.
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And that's the only experience
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that I've known him
to have in professional baseball.
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I'm always, you know,
looking at old teammates,
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trying to figure out
what they're doing for work.
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I only know maybe five or six guys
that made it to the big leagues.
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-Out of all the years that I played.
-Whoa.
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Chris has been accused of defrauding
two women out of more than $100,000.
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You know, it's actually baffling to me.
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From what I can remember,
he was just a very likable guy.
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But baseball guys in general,
there's a big ego about them.
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They all have the same goal, right?
To make it to the big leagues.
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All that sacrifice for 20-something years,
and then not reaching the ultimate goal,
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it's pretty…
pretty detrimental for somebody.
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We have proven that
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he never played
for any major league baseball.
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He never played for the Dodgers.
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And maybe that's why he was
targeting women outside of LA.
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Even though you felt you failed in life
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and you didn't get the life
that you feel like you deserve,
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it's not okay
to destroy other people's lives.
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Even for Jim, he thought
that Chris was just a friendly guy.
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But this is how they are.
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These fraudsters, they are likable people.
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That's why they're dangerous.
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We know Chris lied about
being a major league baseball player.
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But the way he got money from Lindsay
was through investments.
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First, I need to establish
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whether Chris Lloyd is
a licensed investment broker
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in the state of California.
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If he is, he should be listed
in the FINRA regulatory agency search.
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Let's see if he is.
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He knew tons about banking,
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money, credit, loans,
just all sorts of financial knowledge.
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Made me feel safe in the investment.
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No results.
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But maybe he was working independently.
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Chris told Lindsay
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that he had investment opportunities
for her through Planet 13.
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They're an established company,
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one of the biggest weed dispensaries
in the US.
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But he told Lindsay her check
would be sent from Landmark Associates.
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So that's who we need to look into.
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When he was supposed to pay me,
I asked, "Where's this check coming from?"
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And he said, "Landmark Associates."
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All right, so let's call Landmark.
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No one's available to take my call.
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I couldn't find an email address
on their website.
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That doesn't sound right.
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I'll definitely have
to dig a bit deeper with this.
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This is not making sense.
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Oh, this is interesting.
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A civil lawsuit filed
by a female plaintiff
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against both Chris Lloyd
and the Landmark Associates.
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The allegation? Fraud.
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Hey, Cee, I found a civil suit
of a woman suing Chris for fraud.
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She doesn't wanna be identified,
but her lawyer has agreed to meet with me.
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Scott?
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-Hi, Brianne Joseph, private investigator.
-Scott.
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Nice to meet you.
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My partner, Cecilie, and I
are investigating Christopher Lloyd,
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and, um, I understand you have
a court case open with him.
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Absolutely correct.
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So my client knew Christopher Lloyd.
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-I believe they met on a dating website.
-Okay.
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He represented that he was a broker.
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He could take money,
invest it, and give high returns
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at a business organization
he called Landmark Associates.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It's funny you mention Landmark
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because I've been trying
to get in touch with Landmark.
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Do you think it's a legitimate company?
Are they closed? Open?
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What do you know about Landmark?
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Christopher Lloyd is
a bad person in so many ways.
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-Yeah.
-But he can be clever, right?
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You can google Landmark Associates
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and probably find
a "Landmark Associates" business
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in any state.
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I looked at the Landmark Associates
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at the address that he said
there was a Landmark Associates,
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and there just simply wasn't one there.
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My client gave to Christopher
about $50,000 to $60,000
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with the expectation
that he would return some of that money…
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-…with interest as an investment.
-Yeah.
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But when he could not pay my client back,
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he would say, "Your Venmo is not working."
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"Your PayPal is not working."
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-So…
-Okay.
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00:15:21,420 --> 00:15:24,460
Before I thought
to reach out to Christopher,
240
00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,920
I wanted to get all the background I could
on him before making initial contact.
241
00:15:29,010 --> 00:15:30,260
Of course, yeah.
242
00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:35,890
I sent subpoenas
to Zelle, Venmo, and PayPal.
243
00:15:35,970 --> 00:15:38,720
What'd you learn from that information?
244
00:15:38,810 --> 00:15:40,980
Between Zelle, Venmo, and PayPal,
245
00:15:41,060 --> 00:15:47,230
he had received $300,000 just in one year
from multiple female victims.
246
00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,150
That's insane.
247
00:15:50,070 --> 00:15:50,900
Yeah.
248
00:15:50,990 --> 00:15:54,870
If we can talk to these victims
and perhaps get statements from them,
249
00:15:54,950 --> 00:15:58,410
that just makes our ability
to present these cases that much stronger.
250
00:15:58,490 --> 00:16:01,330
Hopefully we can give him
some real consequences.
251
00:16:01,410 --> 00:16:03,290
Okay. Thank you so much.
252
00:16:03,370 --> 00:16:05,170
Of course. I hope you get him.
253
00:16:05,250 --> 00:16:06,250
Thank you.
254
00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,380
Hey, Cecilie.
255
00:16:10,420 --> 00:16:15,050
Guess how much he has taken
from multiple women thus far.
256
00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:20,980
Around $300,000
within a year span, approximately.
257
00:16:21,060 --> 00:16:22,730
This is horrendous.
258
00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,650
Can you imagine how much money
in total this man has taken so far?
259
00:16:28,730 --> 00:16:32,440
We need to see if we can contact
these women and get their statements.
260
00:16:38,490 --> 00:16:40,700
-Hi, Rhiannon.
-Oh, hi there.
261
00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:43,120
-Hi, Robin.
-Hello.
262
00:16:43,210 --> 00:16:45,710
I'm investigating Chris Lloyd.
263
00:16:46,460 --> 00:16:49,710
I met Chris on an online dating app.
264
00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,720
And he was easy to talk to,
and he used to play sports.
265
00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,550
Like, very smart.
266
00:16:55,630 --> 00:16:57,970
We had this good, healthy relationship.
267
00:16:58,050 --> 00:17:01,470
He was professional
and had his shit together, basically.
268
00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:02,430
Yeah.
269
00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,020
He really showed concern about my future,
270
00:17:06,100 --> 00:17:07,600
like, retirement,
271
00:17:07,690 --> 00:17:11,860
and started talking about, um,
like, a residual dividend account,
272
00:17:11,940 --> 00:17:14,450
something that
I would live off the interest.
273
00:17:14,530 --> 00:17:16,160
You know, he just made it sound so easy.
274
00:17:16,740 --> 00:17:19,200
Everything was in writing,
a legal contract.
275
00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,910
I was completely convinced this was
my boyfriend at this point. You know?
276
00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,830
Yeah, and he looked legitimate.
277
00:17:25,910 --> 00:17:28,670
He seemed to be legitimate
with what his story was.
278
00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:31,840
How much did he scam you out of?
279
00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,550
Probably $75,000.
280
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:36,720
Oh my God. That's a lot of money.
281
00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,890
I filed a police report,
but they didn't do anything.
282
00:17:39,970 --> 00:17:43,810
I can't believe
that I gave him $150,000 for investment.
283
00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:46,100
I went to the police,
284
00:17:46,190 --> 00:17:48,810
but, you know, there's still kind of
the shock factor, like,
285
00:17:48,900 --> 00:17:49,980
this happened to me.
286
00:17:51,570 --> 00:17:54,780
Do you have any idea
where he's living at right now?
287
00:17:54,860 --> 00:17:56,070
No.
288
00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:58,030
Where do you think he might be?
289
00:17:58,110 --> 00:18:00,820
-I don't know. He's slippery.
-No. Mm. Yeah.
290
00:18:00,910 --> 00:18:02,330
He's just a snake.
291
00:18:05,870 --> 00:18:08,120
No one has seen Chris in months.
292
00:18:10,210 --> 00:18:11,960
But if we can't find him,
293
00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,460
we've got no chance
of the police taking on Lindsay's case.
294
00:18:19,340 --> 00:18:22,930
We need the guy
to get justice one way or the other.
295
00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,850
The heartbreak
that he's leaving all these people,
296
00:18:26,930 --> 00:18:30,690
it's just not right,
and that he can just vanish?
297
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:37,190
-Are you doing okay?
-No, I'm not.
298
00:18:37,780 --> 00:18:40,740
This is very draining for me, you know?
299
00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,420
It breaks my heart,
you know, all these people
300
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,210
he's taking everything from.
301
00:18:57,460 --> 00:19:01,680
I can only imagine
how difficult it is for her to see
302
00:19:02,340 --> 00:19:06,430
the pain and the hurt that
a lot of these victims are articulating.
303
00:19:08,180 --> 00:19:12,650
I'm pretty sure it makes her
reminisce on the deceit and the lies
304
00:19:12,730 --> 00:19:17,230
that she had to witness
and overcome and… and heal from.
305
00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:22,030
I think that's what makes
Cecilie's role in this so powerful
306
00:19:22,110 --> 00:19:26,700
because she knows what they're feeling,
she knows what they're going through,
307
00:19:26,790 --> 00:19:31,330
and she can just
walk them through what's necessary
308
00:19:31,420 --> 00:19:35,000
to get them on the other side of this
and hopefully get them justice.
309
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,400
I have maybe the biggest lead.
310
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,320
I'm in touch with a woman
who believes she's Chris's latest victim.
311
00:20:03,910 --> 00:20:06,660
She's still in contact with him,
trying to get her money back.
312
00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:08,910
-So she's on to him?
-Yeah.
313
00:20:08,990 --> 00:20:12,870
So maybe we can get her
to lure him to, like, a public park.
314
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,920
-Yeah.
-That could work.
315
00:20:27,140 --> 00:20:32,060
We received information
from one of Chris's latest victims.
316
00:20:32,140 --> 00:20:35,270
And she has, um, set up an opportunity
317
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:38,770
to potentially lure him
into this park for us.
318
00:20:40,190 --> 00:20:41,900
He thinks he's meeting her in the park,
319
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:44,780
but it's really a chance for us
to track him down.
320
00:20:44,860 --> 00:20:48,990
It's a big moment
because we could potentially follow him,
321
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,870
figure out where he's living.
322
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:54,620
He supposedly currently drives
a black Lexus with red interior.
323
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:57,000
So that's gonna be
the primary car that we're looking for.
324
00:20:58,540 --> 00:21:02,210
We know this guy is very elusive,
he's very shady,
325
00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:04,050
and he's very unpredictable.
326
00:21:05,050 --> 00:21:07,970
Lindsay is here to help positively ID him.
327
00:21:09,390 --> 00:21:11,680
Our local P.I. is gonna help us track him.
328
00:21:11,770 --> 00:21:14,560
We don't know what direction
he might come from,
329
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,020
so we're covering all entrances.
330
00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:21,230
A lot of this is one-shot opportunity.
So we all have to be on our A-game.
331
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:22,280
Awesome.
332
00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:30,830
Can anybody see who's in that white car
that slowed down right next to us?
333
00:21:30,910 --> 00:21:35,660
-Does that look like it's him?
-I don't have a visual, but it's parking.
334
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,630
That's not Chris.
335
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,430
Oh, come on.
336
00:21:52,010 --> 00:21:53,430
Fifteen minutes.
337
00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:55,520
That's very close to him.
338
00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:00,730
So if it's 15 minutes to get here,
he must live reasonably close to here.
339
00:22:00,810 --> 00:22:02,610
Hi, Bri, are you there?
340
00:22:02,690 --> 00:22:04,570
Yes, I'm here. Can you hear me?
341
00:22:04,650 --> 00:22:06,280
He's just 15 minutes away.
342
00:22:20,420 --> 00:22:22,710
-Oh!
-Oh, that's him. That's him.
343
00:22:22,790 --> 00:22:26,260
-Oh my God. Just… Right there.
-That's him. That's him right there.
344
00:22:27,630 --> 00:22:31,140
-Oh my God. Chris is here. Chris is here.
-He's here in his black car.
345
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,390
All right, guys, he's here.
346
00:22:37,980 --> 00:22:39,980
-Oh my God. He's here.
-Oh my God.
347
00:22:43,690 --> 00:22:45,480
He's getting out, guys. Perfect.
348
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,110
Fuck.
349
00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:52,200
Ooh, now my heart's beating.
350
00:22:58,540 --> 00:22:59,750
He's moving.
351
00:22:59,830 --> 00:23:02,000
Oh God.
352
00:23:29,820 --> 00:23:32,820
He's moving. He's walking towards his car.
353
00:23:33,410 --> 00:23:35,200
Anita, get ready to follow him.
354
00:23:52,380 --> 00:23:54,430
Anita, what's your location?
I'm following.
355
00:23:55,010 --> 00:23:59,140
We're going north
on, uh, State College Boulevard.
356
00:24:00,350 --> 00:24:03,600
This could be our only shot
at figuring out where this guy lives.
357
00:24:03,690 --> 00:24:04,690
Stay with him.
358
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,400
It's gonna be difficult following him.
He's looking around and changing lanes.
359
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:14,240
He's making a left.
360
00:24:14,740 --> 00:24:18,120
I don't wanna go with him
because he's, um…
361
00:24:18,620 --> 00:24:22,410
I'm gonna go maneuver,
see if I can beat him.
362
00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:24,500
Get on the other side. Wait for him.
363
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,800
-Yeah, he's hauling ass now.
-Haul ass with him.
364
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,060
He's making a right
on Krueger Street, residential.
365
00:24:43,140 --> 00:24:44,690
Okay, keep your eyes on that.
366
00:24:45,810 --> 00:24:47,560
Maybe he's going home.
367
00:24:48,940 --> 00:24:51,440
He's going west on…
368
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,370
Fuck, he disappeared. Um…
369
00:24:58,830 --> 00:25:01,200
I can't find him.
370
00:25:01,790 --> 00:25:02,910
You lost sight of him?
371
00:25:07,170 --> 00:25:11,960
He's probably in one of these units
with the closed garages.
372
00:25:12,550 --> 00:25:14,170
He disappeared quick.
373
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,300
The good news is
that he's still in California,
374
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:20,260
and we have his license plate number.
375
00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:22,430
He can't run forever.
376
00:25:25,810 --> 00:25:27,480
We've got a solid case.
377
00:25:28,190 --> 00:25:31,570
We know he lied about being
a professional baseball player,
378
00:25:31,650 --> 00:25:35,280
and we know he was never
a registered financial advisor.
379
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,620
And we have other victims
who can corroborate Lindsay's story.
380
00:25:40,910 --> 00:25:43,540
Lindsay claims she lost $140,000.
381
00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:45,460
-Yes.
-Lauren lost over $50,000.
382
00:25:45,540 --> 00:25:47,710
Rhiannon lost over $150,000.
383
00:25:47,790 --> 00:25:49,460
I think that's what's important with this.
384
00:25:49,540 --> 00:25:52,050
It's just showing
that it's not an isolated incident.
385
00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:55,510
It's time Lindsay presents this
to the authorities.
386
00:25:57,340 --> 00:25:59,720
Hi, Lindsay. I've got some good news.
387
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,640
We know that you've struggled
388
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,770
to get the police
to take this case seriously in the past.
389
00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:07,770
But I have been in touch
with a district attorney,
390
00:26:07,850 --> 00:26:09,400
and they've agreed to meet
391
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,820
and might be able to help
get the police to pick up the case.
392
00:26:13,650 --> 00:26:19,990
I am now headed to a very important
and exciting meeting with DA Erin West.
393
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:23,030
And she's one of the leading investigators
in romance fraud,
394
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:26,450
and she's a deputy district attorney
here in California.
395
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,830
We're both fraud fighters,
396
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,500
so I'm actually
very excited myself personally
397
00:26:32,590 --> 00:26:35,010
to be able to meet her
'cause I kind of look up to her.
398
00:26:35,090 --> 00:26:39,380
So I've become a bit giddy, you know,
'cause I'm gonna meet Erin West.
399
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:41,340
I'm so sorry, but she is super cool.
400
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,860
-Hi, Lindsay. Good to see you.
-Hi.
401
00:26:52,940 --> 00:26:55,570
-How are you? I'm good.
-Good, you? Good.
402
00:26:55,650 --> 00:26:59,990
So what I have here
is actually the documentation.
403
00:27:00,070 --> 00:27:03,910
So I feel like you can be the one
to actually bring that in.
404
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:07,330
-Awesome. It's important.
-Because it's kind of… It's your work.
405
00:27:07,410 --> 00:27:08,870
-Yeah, for sure.
-Thank you.
406
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,040
-Hello. Hi, how are you?
-Hey! Hey.
407
00:27:14,130 --> 00:27:16,960
-Really nice to see you guys.
-You too.
408
00:27:17,050 --> 00:27:18,550
Thank you for meeting.
409
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:23,140
Lindsay was defrauded
by Chris Lloyd out of $140,000
410
00:27:23,220 --> 00:27:25,810
in what we believe was an investment scam.
411
00:27:25,890 --> 00:27:32,190
It's almost 300 pages from start till end
with evidence of the manipulation.
412
00:27:32,270 --> 00:27:35,730
So we know there are so many more victims.
413
00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:39,150
I am not…
I am one of like maybe a dozen plus.
414
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,530
-Right.
-That's… yeah.
415
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,530
I'm really sorry this happened to you.
416
00:27:45,410 --> 00:27:46,660
This is the fake contract.
417
00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:48,040
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
418
00:28:02,090 --> 00:28:04,140
I've never seen a case like this.
419
00:28:04,220 --> 00:28:08,680
I have never seen
an in-person romance case like this.
420
00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:13,190
And then when you tell me, "Oh,
it happened to her and her and her…"
421
00:28:13,270 --> 00:28:14,100
Wow.
422
00:28:14,190 --> 00:28:17,980
-I want this case. This is a great case.
-Yeah? Yeah.
423
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,450
I don't like the way you got bounced
around between police departments.
424
00:28:22,530 --> 00:28:25,780
But I can also see how something
like this falls between the cracks.
425
00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:31,410
We need to, like, dig it out of the cracks
and get it seen
426
00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:34,420
because this is a really important case.
427
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:37,170
I would charge it
as theft by false pretenses.
428
00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:39,300
-Let's shine some light on this. Let's--
-Yeah.
429
00:28:39,380 --> 00:28:40,460
Let's ask some questions.
430
00:28:40,550 --> 00:28:42,470
Let's figure out where things are
431
00:28:42,550 --> 00:28:44,760
and what it would take
to move things forward.
432
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,930
-This game's not over.
-No, okay. That's good to hear.
433
00:28:48,010 --> 00:28:49,890
-Bye.
-Good to check in with you.
434
00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:52,730
-Thank you so much. Appreciate it.
-'Course. So good to see you.
435
00:28:52,810 --> 00:28:55,480
-So how are you feeling?
-I feel great.
436
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,480
I feel like that was, like,
very productive, very helpful.
437
00:28:59,570 --> 00:29:01,780
-Thank you. Honestly.
-Have a hug.
438
00:29:01,860 --> 00:29:04,280
Thank you so much for everything, always.
439
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,120
-What a journey. I know.
-Honestly.
440
00:29:08,530 --> 00:29:11,160
To even get in the room
with a district attorney is rare.
441
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,210
And for it to be so encouraging
about the case, it's…
442
00:29:14,290 --> 00:29:17,130
It's a one in a million.
Like, it doesn't happen. It just doesn't.
443
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:21,880
I'm done for the day.
444
00:29:26,430 --> 00:29:32,680
Someone like Chris, who's managed
to slip through the cracks somehow,
445
00:29:32,770 --> 00:29:36,390
deserves to finally,
you know, pay for what he's done.
446
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,860
He belongs in jail.
447
00:29:40,150 --> 00:29:43,820
And I'm determined to put this behind me
and move on with my life.
448
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,390
I've seen a lot
as an investigator for 15 years.
449
00:30:14,180 --> 00:30:17,100
A lot of times,
the bad guys don't get caught.
450
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:20,020
And victims don't get justice.
451
00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:27,110
So it is refreshing for me to play a part
in balancing the scales a little bit.
452
00:30:28,990 --> 00:30:34,410
It's important for us to continue
this fight for justice and help people.
453
00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:40,580
We may not stop every scam,
but we can stop the silence.
454
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,790
There's power in speaking up.
455
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,630
You did a really good job.
You should be proud.
456
00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:48,470
It's gone past a civil matter
into a criminal matter.
457
00:30:48,550 --> 00:30:50,050
Oh God!
458
00:30:51,930 --> 00:30:55,310
-We exposed these fraudsters.
-You've been conning women.
459
00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:58,180
And shown people
how to hold them accountable.
460
00:30:59,890 --> 00:31:02,900
Do I deserve how you treated me?
Stole from me?
461
00:31:02,980 --> 00:31:04,110
You're going to jail.
462
00:31:06,530 --> 00:31:09,240
They fucked with the wrong women
this time around.
463
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:15,290
This is just the beginning.
464
00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:16,580
-Cheers!
-To justice!
465
00:31:16,660 --> 00:31:17,910
We can't let scammers
466
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,830
destroy one of the most
beautiful things in life.
467
00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:22,380
Love.
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