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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,190 If FBI is on it, that's a big deal. 2 00:00:24,270 --> 00:00:25,900 Yeah, huge deal. 3 00:00:25,980 --> 00:00:29,520 They were investigating her for some extremely serious fraud. 4 00:00:30,940 --> 00:00:34,400 They had tracked about $600,000 5 00:00:34,490 --> 00:00:38,870 in fraudulent funds from eight to ten victims. 6 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,580 She pled guilty. 7 00:00:43,710 --> 00:00:48,420 Part of her plea agreement meant that she had to admit 8 00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:50,670 to all the things that she had lied about. 9 00:00:52,380 --> 00:00:55,800 I found out that she never worked for the Gates Foundation. 10 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,760 She had barely gone to any college, 11 00:01:00,310 --> 00:01:02,890 let alone graduated from the University of Washington. 12 00:01:05,350 --> 00:01:06,770 She read me like a book. 13 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,320 She figured out exactly the combinations 14 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,700 of fancy degrees and impressive accolades 15 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:19,700 that would get someone like me to fall for her. 16 00:01:20,870 --> 00:01:22,990 But that wasn't even the half of it. 17 00:01:23,870 --> 00:01:26,620 She did not have MS, ever. 18 00:01:29,330 --> 00:01:34,550 She had created fraudulent documents saying that she had MS. 19 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,890 And that was the lie she kept using for years afterward 20 00:01:39,970 --> 00:01:44,100 'cause that was the lie she invested in, that she had spread to everyone, 21 00:01:44,180 --> 00:01:47,770 and that she had based her entire scheme on. 22 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,110 And now the story was all over the news. 23 00:01:52,190 --> 00:01:56,400 Sabrina Taylor pleaded guilty and admitted to lying about her health, 24 00:01:56,490 --> 00:01:59,030 employment, and education to get money. 25 00:02:01,620 --> 00:02:04,410 I was so angry when I found out 26 00:02:04,490 --> 00:02:08,040 that her diagnosis was completely fraudulent. 27 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,040 She picked MS 'cause that's what killed my dad's dad. 28 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,840 That was what got her the most sympathy. 29 00:02:17,420 --> 00:02:22,390 I never went to any doctor's appointments with her, and I really, really wish I had. 30 00:02:22,470 --> 00:02:24,390 You know, the appointments were always 31 00:02:24,970 --> 00:02:27,770 magically scheduled when I couldn't make it. 32 00:02:34,900 --> 00:02:37,940 She ended up doing some pretty serious jail time for a first-time offender. 33 00:02:38,030 --> 00:02:40,360 Wow, how long was she in prison for? 34 00:02:40,450 --> 00:02:42,410 About 18 months, I believe. 35 00:02:42,910 --> 00:02:44,450 At the sentencing hearing, 36 00:02:44,530 --> 00:02:48,000 I finally got to hear where a lot of that money went. 37 00:02:49,830 --> 00:02:54,340 She was essentially using everyone else's money 38 00:02:54,420 --> 00:02:57,340 to live like she was on vacation every day. 39 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:03,180 It felt like the bizarre sense of camaraderie, 40 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,390 knowing that there were a bunch of other people out there 41 00:03:07,470 --> 00:03:10,850 that also had been ripped off by Sabrina. 42 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:14,860 It's a terrible club to be a part of, but it's a club. 43 00:03:15,860 --> 00:03:19,780 The facts of the case just make me think more and more that 44 00:03:19,860 --> 00:03:21,950 there never was anything there, 45 00:03:22,030 --> 00:03:25,700 that I was just a way for Sabrina to get some more money. 46 00:03:26,910 --> 00:03:33,120 I think that first ad was designed to attract a guy 47 00:03:33,750 --> 00:03:34,790 with a decent job 48 00:03:36,090 --> 00:03:41,800 that she could sponge off of for a while, and she fucking hit the jackpot. 49 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,600 How much money had you been giving her? 50 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,930 The grand total ended up being right around $100,000. 51 00:03:50,020 --> 00:03:52,190 Wow. It's insane. 52 00:03:52,270 --> 00:03:55,810 I'm so sorry, Aaron, that you had to experience this. 53 00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:59,230 As part of her plea agreement, she has to make an effort 54 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,530 to pay everyone back over the next few years, 55 00:04:02,610 --> 00:04:05,370 but I was not a part of that agreement. 56 00:04:05,450 --> 00:04:11,290 I don't fully know why I wasn't included in the case the FBI put together. 57 00:04:12,620 --> 00:04:16,130 That's the biggest reason why I wanted to talk to you guys. 58 00:04:16,210 --> 00:04:19,420 I think it's really important that we try to speak to the FBI 59 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:22,550 to see if they can do something to help you. 60 00:04:22,630 --> 00:04:25,720 -I think that sounds fantastic. -But I just want to make it clear. 61 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,890 In a lot of fraud cases, we never get justice. 62 00:04:28,970 --> 00:04:32,730 My fraudster has not been in jail at all for anything he's done to me. 63 00:04:32,810 --> 00:04:36,600 It will be difficult, but I really hope that we can do something to help you out. 64 00:04:36,690 --> 00:04:37,810 Thank you. 65 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,440 So I will let you know. Thank you so much, Aaron. 66 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:43,440 Talk to you later. 67 00:04:50,620 --> 00:04:52,450 -Hello. -Hi, Bri. 68 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,420 Hey, Cee, what you got? How'd it go? 69 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:58,920 It went well. I just finished speaking to Aaron. 70 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,800 They were together for six years. Pure abusive relationship. 71 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,050 And some years later, FBI contacted him. 72 00:05:06,130 --> 00:05:09,220 She was lying about an MS diagnosis. 73 00:05:09,300 --> 00:05:12,140 -What? She lied about that? -Yes. 74 00:05:12,220 --> 00:05:14,060 And she went to prison. 75 00:05:14,140 --> 00:05:15,890 But not for Aaron's case. 76 00:05:15,980 --> 00:05:19,310 Unfortunately, he never got justice. 77 00:05:19,810 --> 00:05:22,610 He didn't know he was being defrauded until years later, 78 00:05:22,690 --> 00:05:24,530 so he never went to police at the time. 79 00:05:24,610 --> 00:05:27,070 I would love to speak to the FBI 80 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,410 to find out if there's anything else that we could do at this point 81 00:05:30,490 --> 00:05:32,450 to help him get some of that money back. 82 00:05:32,540 --> 00:05:36,210 I have a contact there, and hopefully they'll agree to meet with me. 83 00:05:36,290 --> 00:05:37,920 Amazing. Thank you so much. 84 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,670 -You're welcome. Bye. -Bye, Bri. 85 00:05:42,340 --> 00:05:46,090 It's hard to get law enforcement to revisit a case 86 00:05:46,170 --> 00:05:48,380 once there's already been a judgment. 87 00:05:48,470 --> 00:05:51,760 Most often, it's literally case closed. 88 00:05:53,220 --> 00:05:56,140 But no matter how challenging it might be, 89 00:05:56,230 --> 00:05:58,600 it's always gonna be worth the try. 90 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,440 This case is really unique. 91 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,410 Most romance scammers are men, but Sabrina flipped that script, 92 00:06:10,490 --> 00:06:15,580 and she targeted multiple men using the same playbook again and again. 93 00:06:16,750 --> 00:06:18,080 Oh, Sabrina. 94 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,960 I am looking at emails that Sabrina has sent Aaron 95 00:06:24,050 --> 00:06:29,260 to see the tactics that she was using to get him to do what she wanted. 96 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,470 The emotional manipulation here is just insane. 97 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,980 "I'm in so much pain all the time, and I can barely walk." 98 00:06:40,810 --> 00:06:45,650 "I honestly feel so worthless, and frustrated, and scared." 99 00:06:47,530 --> 00:06:51,280 A normal human would really feel sympathy and empathy. 100 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:57,040 "I have to have many medical things done or start doing. That's roughly $2,700." 101 00:06:58,540 --> 00:07:00,460 She knows what she's doing to this man. 102 00:07:00,540 --> 00:07:03,710 It's difficult to say no to someone that needs medication. 103 00:07:03,790 --> 00:07:06,630 She just ends it with the most horrible thing. 104 00:07:07,210 --> 00:07:09,470 "This is why I should have just died." 105 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:13,640 Oh, I feel so bad for Aaron. 106 00:07:14,510 --> 00:07:16,760 Everything was on him to help. 107 00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:21,520 I can really understand why he felt so trapped. 108 00:07:22,810 --> 00:07:27,110 He's lived with this guilt for years, thinking her life depended on him, 109 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,030 and he's never had any justice or closure. 110 00:07:45,460 --> 00:07:48,710 I have a meeting this morning with the actual FBI agent 111 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,340 who was able to convict Sabrina. 112 00:07:52,470 --> 00:07:56,680 A perfect outcome for this meeting would be for him to take Aaron's case 113 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,560 and help Aaron get his money back. 114 00:08:00,930 --> 00:08:03,560 But it's gonna be hard to get them to take this on. 115 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,070 -Hi. Agent Cropcho? -Hi. Yes. 116 00:08:08,150 --> 00:08:09,900 Brianne Joseph, private investigator. 117 00:08:09,980 --> 00:08:13,700 Thank you so much for agreeing to meet with me. I really appreciate it. 118 00:08:14,490 --> 00:08:19,080 What made this case special in that it was taken on by the FBI? 119 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,580 Wire fraud, which is what she was charged with, 120 00:08:21,660 --> 00:08:24,580 is sending a lie via an email or a text message. 121 00:08:24,670 --> 00:08:26,710 Um, you know, wires cross state lines, 122 00:08:26,790 --> 00:08:30,210 so that would give us jurisdiction to investigate this. 123 00:08:30,300 --> 00:08:33,550 For some of the victims, we had years' worth of text messages 124 00:08:33,630 --> 00:08:38,430 where you could see in plain sight the lies that she was telling, 125 00:08:38,510 --> 00:08:42,390 and then people agreeing to give her money based on those lies. 126 00:08:42,980 --> 00:08:46,100 So why wasn't Aaron's case picked up by the FBI? 127 00:08:46,190 --> 00:08:50,480 Problem with Aaron's case is how old the activity was. 128 00:08:50,570 --> 00:08:53,110 -Okay. -There's a statute of limitations. 129 00:08:53,190 --> 00:08:55,360 Um, for wire fraud, it's five years. 130 00:08:55,450 --> 00:08:59,870 If the fraud isn't charged within that five-year period, 131 00:08:59,950 --> 00:09:01,910 we can't charge that anymore. 132 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,630 He had no idea he was being defrauded until years later. 133 00:09:09,710 --> 00:09:12,380 Very complicated, especially with personal relationships. 134 00:09:12,460 --> 00:09:17,300 It's unfortunate that, uh, we can't help everybody get some recovery or justice. 135 00:09:17,390 --> 00:09:19,430 The immediate solution 136 00:09:19,510 --> 00:09:24,270 would be to educate people on what to do if they think they are being defrauded, 137 00:09:24,350 --> 00:09:28,810 and what signs to look for so that they can avoid it being too late for them. 138 00:09:28,900 --> 00:09:30,570 It would make it easier, um… 139 00:09:30,650 --> 00:09:33,610 -Yeah. -…to bring cases like this to justice. 140 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,070 It's clear to me that law enforcement has not caught up 141 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,740 to how to investigate and prosecute love fraud. 142 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:48,420 These crimes don't come to light often for years. 143 00:09:49,210 --> 00:09:51,420 The victims may never get justice 144 00:09:51,500 --> 00:09:55,170 if they're required to report the crime in such a short time frame. 145 00:09:56,220 --> 00:10:00,260 This is why we need more victims to speak out and come forward 146 00:10:00,340 --> 00:10:04,770 so that the legal system will understand what this crime is. 147 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:12,980 -Hi. -Hello. 148 00:10:13,070 --> 00:10:14,980 -I'm Brianne, private investigator. -Hi. 149 00:10:15,070 --> 00:10:18,200 -Nice to see you. How are you? -Nice to see you too. 150 00:10:18,820 --> 00:10:22,330 So I do want to commend you, honestly, 151 00:10:22,410 --> 00:10:25,540 for your bravery and standing up for yourself. 152 00:10:25,620 --> 00:10:27,710 I have never heard of a case like this. 153 00:10:27,790 --> 00:10:30,420 So the older a case is, the more difficult it is actually 154 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:32,630 to go back and get something done with it. 155 00:10:32,710 --> 00:10:35,130 Unfortunately, according to the FBI, 156 00:10:35,210 --> 00:10:37,590 you're outside of the statute of limitations 157 00:10:37,670 --> 00:10:39,760 for them to do anything else with it. 158 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,430 -Right. Thank you. -I'm so sorry, Aaron. 159 00:10:44,850 --> 00:10:47,930 How can I make a claim if I don't have the evidence to make the claim? 160 00:10:49,190 --> 00:10:52,940 I appreciate why the statute of limitations as a concept exists. 161 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,570 And at the same time, I didn't know I was being defrauded 'cause… 162 00:10:57,650 --> 00:11:00,400 I literally thought she had MS. 163 00:11:00,990 --> 00:11:04,910 I really didn't know for absolute certain until the case came out. 164 00:11:04,990 --> 00:11:07,240 -Yeah. -'Cause things need to change. 165 00:11:07,330 --> 00:11:10,870 The way the laws are, they don't protect the victims. 166 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,920 They enable the perpetrators. 167 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,040 -Yeah. -Yeah. 168 00:11:14,130 --> 00:11:17,880 The reason why I'm doing what I'm doing is to actually create that change. 169 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,380 And the only way that change will happen 170 00:11:21,470 --> 00:11:26,560 is if people like you come forward and bring attention, 171 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,100 and people like us stand behind you to help you amplify your voice. 172 00:11:30,180 --> 00:11:32,270 -Thank you. -I know how it is. 173 00:11:32,350 --> 00:11:36,070 And how much it takes to go public in telling your story, 174 00:11:36,150 --> 00:11:37,230 uh, 'cause you never know 175 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,820 what kind of reception, what will come out from it. 176 00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:43,110 But I really, really can say from the bottom of my heart 177 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,120 that it's been a big part of my healing process. 178 00:11:46,700 --> 00:11:48,120 Thank you for saying that. 179 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:53,210 And I hope that this maybe have helped you get a sense of closure in this case. 180 00:11:53,290 --> 00:11:54,710 -It really has. -Yeah. 181 00:11:54,790 --> 00:11:56,960 I'm not gonna let this define me, 182 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,550 and I'm not gonna let her be the most important part of my life again. 183 00:12:00,630 --> 00:12:02,880 Thank you, Aaron, for doing this. 184 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,930 Thank you for taking this seriously. 185 00:12:06,010 --> 00:12:07,350 -Thank you. -Thank you. 186 00:12:07,430 --> 00:12:09,220 Definitely a pleasure meeting you. 187 00:12:09,310 --> 00:12:13,100 What I learned is that sometimes justice doesn't look like a courtroom. 188 00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:16,360 It's about reclaiming your voice. It's about speaking up, 189 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,900 and telling the truth even though it's hard. 190 00:12:18,980 --> 00:12:21,150 And being listened to and believed 191 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,780 can bring a form of closure that no legal process ever could. 192 00:12:27,030 --> 00:12:29,540 It was definitely hard to share my story at first, 193 00:12:29,620 --> 00:12:33,710 but I can't even begin to tell you how much better life is today. 194 00:12:34,460 --> 00:12:36,420 I've got a new partner, 195 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,960 a new, very large circle of friends. 196 00:12:41,050 --> 00:12:42,510 Things really did get better. 197 00:12:43,550 --> 00:12:46,930 I wanna tell the guys that are still in that relationship, 198 00:12:47,930 --> 00:12:48,890 "You can get out." 199 00:12:50,890 --> 00:12:53,810 "And you can start over." 200 00:13:23,380 --> 00:13:25,170 Hi, my name's Lindsay. 201 00:13:25,260 --> 00:13:29,220 I was dating a man, 202 00:13:30,260 --> 00:13:32,010 Christopher Lloyd. 203 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:33,970 I trusted him. 204 00:13:34,810 --> 00:13:37,980 I gave him over $140,000. 205 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:39,900 I lost everything. 206 00:13:40,770 --> 00:13:43,570 I have to move out of my apartment. 207 00:13:44,900 --> 00:13:48,570 He not only took my money, but he took my life. 208 00:13:49,740 --> 00:13:53,910 I need help to hold him accountable for what he's done. 209 00:13:54,660 --> 00:13:56,330 It's time for him to be stopped. 210 00:14:05,420 --> 00:14:06,550 It's heartbreaking. 211 00:14:09,340 --> 00:14:10,970 She seems super defeated. 212 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:15,770 She seems very tired, and I know that feeling. 213 00:14:16,850 --> 00:14:19,940 I want to understand how things got so bad for her 214 00:14:20,020 --> 00:14:21,940 so we can start to build a case. 215 00:14:26,780 --> 00:14:30,530 When I first moved to San Diego, I had never even been here before. 216 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,660 I was just kind of ready for a change of scenery. 217 00:14:37,620 --> 00:14:41,330 So I was single for a while, you know, just dating, trying to meet people. 218 00:14:41,420 --> 00:14:44,210 It was hard because I didn't know anyone here. 219 00:14:45,170 --> 00:14:47,720 I would say, I was dating more intentionally, 220 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,220 trying to actually meet someone that just makes you feel safe. 221 00:14:53,600 --> 00:15:00,060 My profile did say that I wasn't looking for casual things, 222 00:15:00,980 --> 00:15:03,440 making sure you're single, not attached. 223 00:15:04,230 --> 00:15:08,690 I don't want there to be any surprises. When we meet, you know exactly who I am. 224 00:15:08,780 --> 00:15:11,160 You know exactly what I'm looking for. 225 00:15:11,820 --> 00:15:13,700 So you try to put that out there, like, 226 00:15:13,780 --> 00:15:17,080 "Listen, don't come with any bullshit because I don't want it." 227 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,540 I remember being on Tinder and seeing Chris's pictures. 228 00:15:27,250 --> 00:15:31,880 Looks cute, handsome, very attractive. 229 00:15:33,970 --> 00:15:37,350 We just started talking, like, on a regular basis, like daily. 230 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,100 He used to be a pro for the LA Dodgers. 231 00:15:43,980 --> 00:15:47,440 There were videos of him online, and I was impressed. 232 00:15:52,450 --> 00:15:54,700 But since then, he had retired and made a ton of money, 233 00:15:54,780 --> 00:15:58,200 and he used that to start a whole new career as a financial manager. 234 00:16:01,290 --> 00:16:03,580 He told me he was a full-time dad. 235 00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:06,590 I think family values are extremely important. 236 00:16:06,670 --> 00:16:08,300 I'm very close with my family. 237 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,170 So to be able to be, like, present like that for your kid, 238 00:16:11,260 --> 00:16:13,880 to me, that just screams stability. 239 00:16:15,890 --> 00:16:18,060 But also, like, he was super easygoing, and, 240 00:16:18,850 --> 00:16:22,180 I don't know, he seemed like a normal, nice person. 241 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:27,480 -Hi. Nice to meet you. -Hi. Nice to meet you. 242 00:16:29,150 --> 00:16:32,190 -It's a really nice salon here. -Thank you. 243 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,950 How long have you been working? 244 00:16:34,030 --> 00:16:37,280 I've been doing hair for 14 years, almost. 245 00:16:37,370 --> 00:16:41,200 -Yeah. -Since I was 19. I love it, actually. 246 00:16:41,290 --> 00:16:43,540 -Good to see you. -Good to see you. Thanks again. 247 00:16:43,620 --> 00:16:46,080 -Yes, of course, honey. Bye. -Bye. 248 00:16:46,170 --> 00:16:48,750 -You can pull up here. Yeah. -These two? 249 00:16:49,460 --> 00:16:51,920 So do you have a picture of Chris that I can see? 250 00:16:52,010 --> 00:16:55,430 Here's one. I believe this is at, like, a work event. 251 00:16:55,510 --> 00:16:58,140 -Ah! -He's dressed, you know, nice. 252 00:16:59,260 --> 00:17:02,730 We had been talking for a month now consistently every day. 253 00:17:03,810 --> 00:17:05,390 He said he didn't live in San Diego, 254 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,110 and he lived more in the Long Beach area, an hour and 20 minutes away, 255 00:17:10,190 --> 00:17:11,820 which isn't, like, terribly far. 256 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:17,870 I was, like, really excited for us to, like, finally meet in person. 257 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,450 We met at a breakfast place. 258 00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:24,160 He was, like, clean cut. 259 00:17:24,250 --> 00:17:25,960 He smelled really good. 260 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,330 Dressed nice. Fresh haircut. 261 00:17:29,130 --> 00:17:32,420 He was very confident, and we had chemistry. 262 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:35,130 I mean, like, we'd had so many conversations before, 263 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:37,010 so talking was, like, nothing. 264 00:17:37,090 --> 00:17:38,930 It was very easy, very flowing. 265 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,430 I remember him saying, "People always ask me why I don't have, like, a house, 266 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,350 in, like, the Hollywood Hills or something." 267 00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:50,060 "I could be living a more extravagant life but I'm a very low-key person." 268 00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:51,650 I liked that. I like humble. 269 00:17:53,900 --> 00:17:57,360 I remember he paid with, like, a huge wad of cash, 270 00:17:57,450 --> 00:18:01,080 and he left them, like, a crazy tip. It was, like, $80 or something. 271 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,040 And then, like, finally, like, we hugged and, like, kissed 272 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:11,710 for, like, the first time, like, passionately, like, romantically. 273 00:18:13,170 --> 00:18:16,470 And it was, like, right on the hill, like, with the water there. 274 00:18:17,130 --> 00:18:18,970 So it was, like, it was sweet. 275 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,770 It was very much like a slow burn. 276 00:18:25,850 --> 00:18:29,770 It was, like weeks of, like, "How was your day?" 277 00:18:29,850 --> 00:18:34,110 "Great. I helped so-and-so with their retirement plan." You know. 278 00:18:34,190 --> 00:18:37,280 -Just normal getting to know each other. -Normal conversation. 279 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:40,660 And we started, like, FaceTiming, and I… 280 00:18:40,740 --> 00:18:43,030 He introduced me to his son. 281 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:45,330 What you were having was just a great relationship 282 00:18:45,410 --> 00:18:47,410 with someone you trusted. 283 00:18:47,500 --> 00:18:48,580 A hundred percent. 284 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:52,580 He really played the family card a lot with me, 285 00:18:52,670 --> 00:18:54,750 and that was, like, my soft spot. 286 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,510 -Yeah. -Especially, like, with my mom. 287 00:19:01,260 --> 00:19:02,590 Seven years ago, 288 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:07,720 my mom died very suddenly, and unexpectedly, and tragically. 289 00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:11,650 She had taken a really bad fall 290 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:18,530 from the top of the stairs, and she hit the back of her head. 291 00:19:20,530 --> 00:19:23,530 And she had a really bad brain bleed. 292 00:19:26,700 --> 00:19:29,960 Chris, I told him my mom died and how she died. 293 00:19:34,380 --> 00:19:38,710 He was always really good about asking me about my day and how I was feeling. 294 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,550 It was nice to feel like, you know, someone really cared. 295 00:19:46,350 --> 00:19:48,600 Being the oldest of three kids, 296 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,600 he knew how important it was to me to be able to help my siblings 297 00:19:52,690 --> 00:19:54,400 because we didn't have our mom anymore. 298 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,770 And because I'm the oldest, I feel like taking on that role, 299 00:19:57,860 --> 00:20:00,650 of if they needed anything, especially if it came to money. 300 00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:03,030 And Chris was sympathetic. 301 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,990 He made it seem like he understood. 302 00:20:11,460 --> 00:20:14,460 Because of his job, he knew tons about investment. 303 00:20:16,420 --> 00:20:21,670 So I told him, I received my mom's 401K when she died, 304 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,260 and he would, you know, start talking about, like, "Oh, a 401K is not for you." 305 00:20:26,350 --> 00:20:29,060 "That's not where you want your money to be. It's a waste." 306 00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:31,770 And he also made me feel like, 307 00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:34,520 "You could have so much more. I wanna help you." 308 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,480 "I wanna help you better your life and your family's life." 309 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:39,900 Like, he would say that. 310 00:20:39,980 --> 00:20:42,690 "And use your mom's money for something good." 311 00:20:42,780 --> 00:20:45,530 -Did he say that? -Oh, a hundred percent. 312 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,870 So he mentioned, "You should invest with my firm." 313 00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:51,540 "We represent this company called Planet 13." 314 00:20:51,620 --> 00:20:54,120 "It's looking for, like, angel investors." 315 00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:57,630 So at first, I was like, "Meh." 316 00:20:57,710 --> 00:21:01,050 Like, not really sounds like what I want to do with my money. 317 00:21:01,130 --> 00:21:03,800 And then he brought it up again in the sense of, like, 318 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:09,260 "Well, you know, they give a 10% payout." And I was like, "Whoa. Are you serious?" 319 00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:12,220 He was like, "Yeah. The more you invest, the more you get back." 320 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,600 He said there would be a contract to help me get my money back 321 00:21:16,690 --> 00:21:18,650 if there was ever a problem. 322 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:23,280 The agreement was that I would give him $140K, 323 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:27,910 and every two months, I'd just be getting a check for $20,000. 324 00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:30,620 It's a high, you know, 325 00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:33,790 residual payout that you would be getting for passive income. 326 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,080 He told me after two years, I'd be making a lot of money. 327 00:21:39,790 --> 00:21:42,500 His mom was invested with the same company. 328 00:21:42,590 --> 00:21:46,170 So he, like, really, like, made me feel safe in the investment. 329 00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:48,300 Like, it's risky, but not really. 330 00:21:53,470 --> 00:21:56,140 We had been talking consistently every day, 331 00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:58,150 and we had chemistry. 332 00:22:00,110 --> 00:22:03,900 I was really just focused on, like, us, and, like, building our connection 333 00:22:03,980 --> 00:22:06,570 and whatever business connection also was happening. 334 00:22:06,650 --> 00:22:09,660 It was, like, two and one simultaneously happening, 335 00:22:09,740 --> 00:22:11,870 romantic and business. 336 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:14,370 And he would always say things like, 337 00:22:14,450 --> 00:22:16,580 "You don't have to do this to have me in your life. 338 00:22:16,660 --> 00:22:18,670 I just simply wanna do it to help you." 339 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,380 I just, you know, thought, like, "Why do you care so much about my future?" 340 00:22:28,590 --> 00:22:32,140 He would start talking about, like, "Oh, when you start getting money, 341 00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:34,850 we could take trips and you can take more time off, 342 00:22:34,930 --> 00:22:37,100 and we can spend more time together." 343 00:22:37,180 --> 00:22:39,230 So I trusted him, 344 00:22:39,310 --> 00:22:42,650 'cause you want us to have a future, which is really nice. 345 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,820 Fraudsters often create the illusion of a shared future. 346 00:22:50,610 --> 00:22:53,080 For me, it's the ultimate romantic gesture. 347 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,580 "We can be a team and look at what we're gonna do in the future together." 348 00:22:56,660 --> 00:22:59,620 You're with someone who wants to make you better. 349 00:22:59,710 --> 00:23:03,380 They know that you might have some money, and they just want you to grow. 350 00:23:04,290 --> 00:23:07,050 But in reality, it's a calculated move, 351 00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:09,800 designed to earn your trust and lower your guard. 352 00:23:12,340 --> 00:23:15,930 So I signed my contracts with him in the beginning of May. 353 00:23:16,010 --> 00:23:20,390 Like, I remember having a call with my financial advisor, 354 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,730 told her that I wanted to take the whole entire 401K out. 355 00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:26,860 She was, "I would advise you not to take all of it." 356 00:23:26,940 --> 00:23:29,740 And I said, "If I'm going to invest, I wanna make the most out of it." 357 00:23:29,820 --> 00:23:31,780 She's like, "Are you sure?" And I said, "Yes." 358 00:23:31,860 --> 00:23:34,450 And she said, "Okay. It's just gonna take some time." 359 00:23:34,530 --> 00:23:36,240 "I have to sell off your stocks." 360 00:23:36,330 --> 00:23:39,540 And it might take a few days, but, you know, we'll get it done for you." 361 00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:41,460 I remember telling Chris. 362 00:23:41,540 --> 00:23:44,580 He was, you know, stressing out and stressing me out a little bit. 363 00:23:44,670 --> 00:23:47,340 Like, "We really need to get, like, something in your account 364 00:23:47,420 --> 00:23:48,960 because they'll close it." 365 00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:54,930 And the money was taking a little time to come through. 366 00:23:55,010 --> 00:23:58,770 So then he said to me, "Okay, well, I'll, like, fund it for you." 367 00:24:00,850 --> 00:24:03,400 I am, like, a beyond-loyal person. 368 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,900 And so, you know, my whole thing was like, 369 00:24:06,980 --> 00:24:09,530 "Not only are you helping me with this, like, investment, 370 00:24:09,610 --> 00:24:14,740 but, like, also now you're giving me this money to fund my account, and…" 371 00:24:14,820 --> 00:24:16,990 Like, "How could I ever repay you?" essentially. 372 00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:20,330 So, sure enough, like, the money comes through a week later. 373 00:24:20,410 --> 00:24:25,830 So I wire him the money, and then it went to his account, direct. 374 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,670 $140,000. 375 00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:31,130 Yeah. 376 00:24:31,210 --> 00:24:33,720 -Oh, that's a lot of money. -Yeah. It's a lot of money. 377 00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:41,930 One morning, he decided to come down before I went to work. 378 00:24:44,060 --> 00:24:47,150 It was July 12th, and time for my first payment. 379 00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:51,110 And that's when he was in his Lexus. 380 00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:54,200 And I remember him doing, like, this kind of, like, 381 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,950 jumping out of the car, like, excited. 382 00:24:57,030 --> 00:24:59,080 And he was like, "I love payday." 383 00:25:00,410 --> 00:25:03,000 And he gave me a check, and it was for $20,000. 384 00:25:04,540 --> 00:25:05,920 I was, like, super excited. 385 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,590 I'm like, "It went through. Like, this is legit." 386 00:25:08,670 --> 00:25:11,000 "Like, I got my money. Like, great. Amazing." 387 00:25:13,130 --> 00:25:16,220 I was feeling like life is really about to change for me. 388 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,970 So, basically, after I did the investment, 389 00:25:22,060 --> 00:25:25,140 things kind of started to, like, fizzle. 390 00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:29,940 We stopped talking as much, and, like, 391 00:25:30,020 --> 00:25:33,530 he wasn't making as much of an effort to try to come see me. 392 00:25:33,610 --> 00:25:35,990 And I'm like, "Okay, like, what the heck?" 393 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,160 So I messaged him, and I was like, "Hey, 394 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,250 I think that maybe it's better off that we just have a business relationship 395 00:25:44,330 --> 00:25:47,420 and, like, maybe not do the romantic part anymore." 396 00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:51,000 So after that, our romantic relationship was, like, officially, like, done. 397 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,220 Come September, I was supposed to get my second check. 398 00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:05,140 And he's telling me about this family member that's very ill, 399 00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:09,440 and how he might not be able to meet me to pay me, 400 00:26:09,940 --> 00:26:12,190 and asked me to set up a PayPal account 401 00:26:12,270 --> 00:26:16,360 so that he could start sending me my payments in, like, smaller increments. 402 00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:20,990 But then he's like, "I'm having issues with PayPal." 403 00:26:21,070 --> 00:26:25,660 And then from then on, it was just a complete shit show. 404 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,170 Just, like, became, like, this, like, months and months of, like, 405 00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:34,000 redoing my account and having to open a new account, 406 00:26:34,090 --> 00:26:37,170 and signing new paperwork for a year straight. 407 00:26:37,260 --> 00:26:41,340 It just became this whole long, drawn-out process of not paying me. 408 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,270 I really started to spiral. I was like, "Why can I only talk to you?" 409 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:56,320 "Why can't I talk to your boss or someone else?" 410 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,990 At one point, he said to me, 411 00:26:59,070 --> 00:27:02,620 if I told people, it would just be more toxic for my mental health 412 00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:06,910 because they wouldn't believe me or think I was stupid. 413 00:27:07,410 --> 00:27:09,040 So there was eight months 414 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,790 of not speaking to anyone about what I was dealing with 415 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,000 and just keeping it all to myself. I didn't tell a single soul. 416 00:27:16,090 --> 00:27:17,130 No one knew. 417 00:27:18,550 --> 00:27:20,090 Control and isolation 418 00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:23,140 are the silent weapons in these kind of relationships. 419 00:27:23,220 --> 00:27:27,720 If you lost all your money to this individual, what are you gonna do? 420 00:27:27,810 --> 00:27:29,850 That's the only individual that can help you. 421 00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:33,230 So it's very isolating which is exactly what they want. 422 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:42,610 At this point, I am, like, in a terrible, like, mental state. 423 00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:46,790 I don't know what's real, what to believe. 424 00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:50,330 And I realized I wasn't gonna get my money back. 425 00:27:50,410 --> 00:27:53,630 I knew I had to go to the police. 426 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:59,050 Those are the contracts that I signed. 427 00:28:00,010 --> 00:28:02,510 I drove to the Fullerton Police Department, 428 00:28:02,590 --> 00:28:03,970 and they turned me away. 429 00:28:04,050 --> 00:28:07,560 -On what grounds? -Um, I gave him my money. 430 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,810 They said that to you? You gave it away. 431 00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:15,230 I walked into the police station with all of this and nothing. 432 00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:19,360 -I wouldn't just give away $140,000. -No, that is-- 433 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,030 -Yeah. Yeah. -He stole it. 434 00:28:22,110 --> 00:28:24,910 You are dealing with the consequences. What about him? 435 00:28:24,990 --> 00:28:27,740 Is he dealing with any consequences? You know, they never do. 436 00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:31,200 That is lighting the anger inside of me 'cause it's just not fucking fair. 437 00:28:31,290 --> 00:28:33,370 It's been a year since I actually saw him in person, 438 00:28:33,460 --> 00:28:35,290 and that's when he gave me my check. 439 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,590 I need to get my money back. Like, how am I gonna get my money? 440 00:28:39,670 --> 00:28:42,550 Yeah. I promise you, we'll do our very best. 441 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:52,980 -Hey, Cecilie. -I have just met up with Lindsay. 442 00:28:53,060 --> 00:28:56,560 -Okay. -She's lost an incredible amount of money 443 00:28:56,650 --> 00:28:59,690 in an investment romance scam. 444 00:28:59,770 --> 00:29:02,030 Over $140,000. 445 00:29:02,110 --> 00:29:03,490 Oh my God. 446 00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:07,990 Do we have anything we can at least sink our teeth into with this one? 447 00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:08,990 Yeah. 448 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,870 Lindsay has been amazing at actually providing contracts. 449 00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:16,460 Chris said he was linked to a company called Landmark Associates. 450 00:29:16,540 --> 00:29:21,590 The company that she would "supposedly" have invested in called Planet 13. 451 00:29:21,670 --> 00:29:25,260 Okay. So we need to find out if he lied to her 452 00:29:25,340 --> 00:29:27,180 to get her to make these investments. 453 00:29:28,260 --> 00:29:30,510 I'm gonna start by digging into this guy. 454 00:29:34,020 --> 00:29:38,860 Early on in the investigation, it's important to deep dive into the case 455 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,940 to get all the information that's readily available to you, 456 00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:48,870 whether that's through record searches, database searches. 457 00:29:49,620 --> 00:29:51,990 You start to collect intel 458 00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:57,460 about the perpetrator and figure out who they really are. 459 00:30:10,930 --> 00:30:13,220 -What did you find? -Well. 460 00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:15,980 He had a restraining order put out against him 461 00:30:16,060 --> 00:30:18,770 from someone named Lauren in Arizona. 462 00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:25,740 He had to have been doing something terrible to her 463 00:30:25,820 --> 00:30:28,240 for her to want to get this restraining order against him. 464 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,280 So we need to talk to whoever this Lauren person is. 465 00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:33,450 Could she be another victim? 466 00:30:34,540 --> 00:30:36,290 I'll see if I can find her. 467 00:30:42,290 --> 00:30:43,670 It's up to us 468 00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:47,550 to prove that they have defrauded other people. 469 00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:50,680 That it's not a one-time occurrence. 470 00:30:51,970 --> 00:30:55,640 There is a pattern of behavior that the police need to consider. 471 00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:13,870 So Lauren got back to me on LinkedIn, which is great. 472 00:31:14,410 --> 00:31:18,200 She's the one who had the restraining order against Chris, 473 00:31:18,290 --> 00:31:22,540 and I'm just so curious to hear what happened to her. 474 00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:28,590 A restraining order is a serious charge. 475 00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:32,550 It's not something the courts grant lightly. 476 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,560 There must have been enough evidence to believe that Chris posed a real threat. 477 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,560 The question is, what did he do to her? 41534

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