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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,764 --> 00:00:16,474 Let's talk turkey. 2 00:00:17,684 --> 00:00:19,227 When we talk about truth, 3 00:00:19,310 --> 00:00:21,229 there's a person's truth, 4 00:00:21,312 --> 00:00:23,648 and then there's a drug's truth, right? 5 00:00:23,732 --> 00:00:25,984 Those are very different things. 6 00:00:27,610 --> 00:00:30,697 For a while, the country was transfixed 7 00:00:30,780 --> 00:00:33,283 when all of the chaos happened over the… 8 00:00:33,366 --> 00:00:34,200 It's tiger blood. 9 00:00:34,284 --> 00:00:35,452 …Two and a Half Men period 10 00:00:35,535 --> 00:00:40,373 that led to the Tiger Blood, um, era and all of that. 11 00:00:40,457 --> 00:00:42,709 He's in the fight of his life here. 12 00:00:42,792 --> 00:00:45,211 And he was not sober. 13 00:00:45,712 --> 00:00:49,841 And then you started to smell the fumes of some shit that was going on. 14 00:00:50,550 --> 00:00:52,927 But now, I think, 15 00:00:53,011 --> 00:00:57,182 to have that same gifted person, 16 00:00:57,807 --> 00:01:01,227 uh, being able to talk directly to us sober, 17 00:01:01,770 --> 00:01:03,438 the only thing I know 18 00:01:04,647 --> 00:01:07,567 or feel myself very strongly is… 19 00:01:09,444 --> 00:01:12,947 if you ask Charlie, did he do this, 20 00:01:13,907 --> 00:01:15,283 he's gonna tell you the truth. 21 00:01:21,498 --> 00:01:23,333 It's a good day to be alive. 22 00:01:26,878 --> 00:01:29,839 I've been able to re-embrace life through this program. 23 00:01:34,219 --> 00:01:37,555 I want to thank my family for their support, my friends. 24 00:01:37,639 --> 00:01:41,392 I want to thank my fans for all their support and their letters, 25 00:01:41,476 --> 00:01:43,686 kind words, and, um… 26 00:01:44,437 --> 00:01:46,564 the next time we do this will be at a premiere. 27 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:48,733 He was in rehab, right? 28 00:01:48,817 --> 00:01:51,236 And he gives me a call, like, "They're letting us out." 29 00:01:52,112 --> 00:01:53,613 You know what he wanted to do? 30 00:01:54,948 --> 00:01:56,699 He wanted to go to the baseball field. 31 00:01:58,409 --> 00:02:01,746 Who brings him to the baseball field from rehab was Martin. 32 00:02:02,747 --> 00:02:06,126 As we arrived, there was a game going on at the field. 33 00:02:06,209 --> 00:02:07,752 Like a Sunday league game. 34 00:02:07,836 --> 00:02:11,714 Of course, I'm egging them on to let Charlie play in the game, right? 35 00:02:11,798 --> 00:02:16,010 And then finally, they see who it is. "Oh yeah, of course he can play." 36 00:02:16,094 --> 00:02:19,222 And this was one of the best moments. This was… 37 00:02:21,391 --> 00:02:23,476 My man gets up during the game. 38 00:02:29,941 --> 00:02:32,485 He hits a home run in front of his dad. 39 00:02:32,569 --> 00:02:34,445 Just leaving rehab. 40 00:02:35,113 --> 00:02:37,949 That does not hap-- I could not believe that actually happened. 41 00:02:38,032 --> 00:02:39,701 I wish I had the ball, but… 42 00:02:39,784 --> 00:02:42,787 It's nice to have a second shot, a second chance. 43 00:02:43,580 --> 00:02:47,417 They say that success tasted the second time around is so much sweeter. 44 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:48,751 I plan on tasting that. 45 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:51,254 See ya. 46 00:02:56,551 --> 00:02:59,304 I'll light the fire 47 00:02:59,971 --> 00:03:01,598 You place the flowers… 48 00:03:01,681 --> 00:03:05,435 The only parts that were being offered to me coming out of rehab 49 00:03:05,518 --> 00:03:09,063 were forgettable, supporting shit. 50 00:03:09,147 --> 00:03:10,982 I was looking for structure. 51 00:03:11,065 --> 00:03:12,108 Staring at the fire… 52 00:03:12,192 --> 00:03:13,818 A nine-to-five job. 53 00:03:13,902 --> 00:03:15,778 I was looking for consistency. 54 00:03:15,862 --> 00:03:19,699 Looking for something that just felt like it would present its own rhythm, 55 00:03:19,782 --> 00:03:22,285 that I could naturally kind of slide into. 56 00:03:22,368 --> 00:03:27,248 I'd grown up on sitcom television and was a huge fan of it. 57 00:03:27,332 --> 00:03:32,754 Our house Is a very, very, very fine house 58 00:03:32,837 --> 00:03:36,007 With two cats in the yard 59 00:03:36,090 --> 00:03:38,635 Life used to be so hard 60 00:03:38,718 --> 00:03:40,970 And always drawn to it as a medium 61 00:03:41,054 --> 00:03:45,642 that presented scenarios in a way that were digestible. 62 00:03:45,725 --> 00:03:49,229 Okay, this is the most romantic disease I've ever had. 63 00:03:49,312 --> 00:03:52,649 But felt harmless because of all the humor, you know? 64 00:03:52,732 --> 00:03:57,320 So you could still come away with it touching some part of you, 65 00:03:57,403 --> 00:03:59,239 but without feeling like, you know, 66 00:03:59,322 --> 00:04:03,701 you had to dig through… …to such a depth to find it. 67 00:04:07,413 --> 00:04:09,374 And I got the call. 68 00:04:09,457 --> 00:04:11,960 Let's start looking into alternative dump sites. 69 00:04:12,043 --> 00:04:15,338 Vacant lots, barges… New Jersey. 70 00:04:15,421 --> 00:04:17,966 They're shutting down Spin City because of Mike's health. 71 00:04:18,049 --> 00:04:19,926 Did you know, of all the brain disorders, 72 00:04:20,009 --> 00:04:23,763 Parkinson's is the one that scientists believe may be closest to a cure? 73 00:04:23,846 --> 00:04:25,682 Yet we still need funding. 74 00:04:25,765 --> 00:04:29,227 And they're thinking, would you be open to stepping in? 75 00:04:29,310 --> 00:04:31,479 Oh, here it comes 76 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,359 Here comes the night 77 00:04:36,943 --> 00:04:39,070 Those aren't just big shoes to fill. 78 00:04:39,153 --> 00:04:42,949 Those are like stepping into the boots of the fucking Jolly Green Giant. 79 00:04:43,032 --> 00:04:45,285 What did you say your last name was again? 80 00:04:45,952 --> 00:04:48,413 Whoa, let's not rush things. 81 00:04:48,913 --> 00:04:52,542 They built in a backstory that's pretty cool and pretty fucking funny. 82 00:04:52,625 --> 00:04:55,878 I was the guy showing up that had a few skeletons, you know? 83 00:04:55,962 --> 00:04:59,507 And that was cool because they were tying into us, actually, 84 00:04:59,590 --> 00:05:01,676 finally, me being in on the joke 85 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:06,222 about all the shit that everybody had read about and heard about. 86 00:05:06,306 --> 00:05:09,267 So, this is what it's like to be the sober one. 87 00:05:10,685 --> 00:05:13,563 No wonder I was so unproductive in the '90s. 88 00:05:14,188 --> 00:05:16,774 It was a good feeling for me because during Spin, 89 00:05:16,858 --> 00:05:18,443 The West Wing was going on, right? 90 00:05:18,526 --> 00:05:23,740 So Dad would come to the condo on Tuesday nights, I think, 91 00:05:23,823 --> 00:05:29,162 but we were able to watch Spin and then watch his episode. 92 00:05:29,245 --> 00:05:32,915 And the ratings the next day, 93 00:05:32,999 --> 00:05:35,710 The West Wing destroyed us. 94 00:05:35,793 --> 00:05:40,006 I'm… I'm really nervous and excited, and I'm happy to be here. 95 00:05:40,089 --> 00:05:41,883 Then I got nominated for a Globe? 96 00:05:43,843 --> 00:05:46,596 Not bad. You remember what I taught you. 97 00:05:46,679 --> 00:05:49,974 Is it the first major award that you won throughout your career? 98 00:05:50,058 --> 00:05:50,892 It's the only one. 99 00:05:50,975 --> 00:05:52,977 -The only one. To this day. -That's it. 100 00:05:53,061 --> 00:05:56,606 I've never been invited before. I'm with my lovely fiancée, Denise. 101 00:05:57,231 --> 00:05:59,108 Yeah. Hi, I'm Denise Richards. 102 00:05:59,734 --> 00:06:01,694 Charlie Sheen, Spin City. 103 00:06:03,654 --> 00:06:05,490 Denise, you were right. 104 00:06:05,573 --> 00:06:07,700 My lovely fiancée had a dream I was gonna win. 105 00:06:09,535 --> 00:06:11,829 I know this girl named Denise 106 00:06:12,997 --> 00:06:15,208 She makes me weak at the knees 107 00:06:16,292 --> 00:06:19,962 -Sha-la-la-la-la-la-la -When she holds me 108 00:06:20,046 --> 00:06:23,966 -Sha-la-la-la-la-la-la -Won't you tell me 109 00:06:24,050 --> 00:06:26,344 Do you love me, Denise? 110 00:06:26,427 --> 00:06:29,347 Whoa-oh, do you love me, Denise? 111 00:06:30,807 --> 00:06:32,517 I feel like so many people 112 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,187 are going to be surprised that you would be in this movie. 113 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:37,480 Why are you here? 114 00:06:37,563 --> 00:06:41,192 There's a lot of stuff that I know and I'm privy to that-- 115 00:06:41,275 --> 00:06:42,777 And Charlie knows that I am. 116 00:06:42,860 --> 00:06:44,278 I want to be honest. 117 00:06:44,362 --> 00:06:45,905 Peel the layers and be honest, 118 00:06:45,988 --> 00:06:52,453 because otherwise this movie is going to be a fluffy, you know, 119 00:06:52,537 --> 00:06:55,748 glossed-over, sugar-coated piece of shit. 120 00:06:56,791 --> 00:07:03,464 My dad brought my sister and I to see Platoon when I was a teenager 121 00:07:04,090 --> 00:07:06,175 because my father's a Vietnam vet. 122 00:07:06,259 --> 00:07:07,593 And wh-- 123 00:07:08,386 --> 00:07:09,220 No offense, 124 00:07:09,303 --> 00:07:12,682 my dad should've brought us to see a movie with girls and makeup and stuff. 125 00:07:12,765 --> 00:07:13,850 Dirty Dancing. 126 00:07:13,891 --> 00:07:16,227 He brings his daughters to see Platoon. 127 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,147 And I said to my dad, 128 00:07:19,230 --> 00:07:23,776 "Would you ever have thought that bringing me and Nellie to go see Platoon, 129 00:07:23,860 --> 00:07:26,237 that I would marry that fucking guy?" 130 00:07:28,030 --> 00:07:28,865 Right? 131 00:07:29,740 --> 00:07:32,702 I met Denise on a film set. 132 00:07:33,327 --> 00:07:36,456 It's kind of a forgettable film called Good Advice. 133 00:07:36,539 --> 00:07:39,292 So we can enjoy the life we deserve and more. 134 00:07:39,375 --> 00:07:40,418 And more. 135 00:07:40,501 --> 00:07:44,922 It's an instant fantasy. I mean, she was, yeah, the hottest woman alive at the time. 136 00:07:45,006 --> 00:07:48,217 He was, like, beating around the bush and was shy. 137 00:07:48,301 --> 00:07:52,597 I was just like, "Spit it out. Do you want to go out to dinner or what?" 138 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,433 And then I think he got nervous about that. 139 00:07:55,516 --> 00:07:57,935 That's the thing people would be very surprised by. 140 00:07:58,019 --> 00:08:00,188 Charlie can be very shy. 141 00:08:00,980 --> 00:08:03,065 Then he told me about this game. 142 00:08:03,149 --> 00:08:06,652 "Are you a baseball fan?" She was like, "Not so much." 143 00:08:06,736 --> 00:08:09,780 "Do you know who Barry Bonds is?" She was like, "I've heard of him." 144 00:08:09,864 --> 00:08:12,950 I said, "He's on this epic record-chasing run right now." 145 00:08:13,034 --> 00:08:15,077 "The night you want to get together, 146 00:08:15,161 --> 00:08:18,498 he's going to be in Houston sitting on number 69." 147 00:08:18,581 --> 00:08:20,500 She's like, "What does any of that mean?" 148 00:08:20,583 --> 00:08:22,460 "It means I can't miss this game." 149 00:08:22,543 --> 00:08:24,754 "If you wanna come over, we'll get some takeout." 150 00:08:24,837 --> 00:08:27,840 I didn't want to be the reason why he missed that game. 151 00:08:27,924 --> 00:08:30,593 He didn't want to cancel our evening together, 152 00:08:30,676 --> 00:08:32,136 which I thought was very sweet. 153 00:08:32,220 --> 00:08:35,806 And so, against what my dad advised, me going over there, 154 00:08:35,890 --> 00:08:38,893 I still went over to Charlie's house and watched the game with him. 155 00:08:40,061 --> 00:08:42,605 We microwaved our plastic meals. 156 00:08:42,688 --> 00:08:46,859 I brought mine that I had delivered from my delivery service. 157 00:08:46,943 --> 00:08:50,738 He had his. He was on The Zone Diet. I was on a different one. 158 00:08:50,821 --> 00:08:52,490 It was very romantic. 159 00:08:53,241 --> 00:08:54,575 We're watching the game. 160 00:08:54,659 --> 00:08:59,247 And like that entire season, I think he probably walked his first two at-bats. 161 00:08:59,330 --> 00:09:02,959 And I remember it was later in the game, might've been seventh or eighth inning, 162 00:09:03,042 --> 00:09:06,045 the pitcher made a mistake. He threw a strike. 163 00:09:06,128 --> 00:09:09,799 Sixty-nine home runs for Barry Bonds, the 1-1. 164 00:09:09,882 --> 00:09:12,343 There it goes! There it goes! 165 00:09:12,426 --> 00:09:16,055 Number 70 for Bonds! 166 00:09:16,138 --> 00:09:22,645 Over the right-center field bullpen of the Houston Astros… 167 00:09:23,980 --> 00:09:26,440 I think we both kind of saw that as 168 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:28,859 maybe a sign of something. 169 00:09:31,445 --> 00:09:34,156 So, the game ends, and we had a nice time together. 170 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,701 I walked her to the door, at my condo in Westwood. 171 00:09:36,784 --> 00:09:39,495 And I said, uh, "Well, excellent, cool." 172 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:42,999 "Let's do this again sometime soon. No pressure." 173 00:09:43,082 --> 00:09:45,626 He had a calmness about him. 174 00:09:45,710 --> 00:09:48,087 And he seemed very grounded. 175 00:09:48,170 --> 00:09:50,131 I was not making that first move. 176 00:09:50,214 --> 00:09:52,341 I'm a little old-fashioned that way. 177 00:09:52,925 --> 00:09:56,679 He wasn't the guy that people read about. He was very different. 178 00:09:56,762 --> 00:09:57,972 Especially sober. 179 00:09:58,055 --> 00:10:03,477 You're still trying to figure out, like, how your body moves through space. 180 00:10:04,061 --> 00:10:05,688 She starts to turn away… 181 00:10:06,522 --> 00:10:11,068 And she grabs the back of my head and just pulls me into a kiss, you know? 182 00:10:11,152 --> 00:10:12,111 Yeah, it was on. 183 00:10:15,948 --> 00:10:17,491 And more! And more! 184 00:10:17,575 --> 00:10:20,953 Got you where I want you 185 00:10:21,037 --> 00:10:22,246 I didn't have sex with him. 186 00:10:22,330 --> 00:10:25,249 What'd you say if I told you I'd leave you if you didn't let me? 187 00:10:25,833 --> 00:10:28,044 There was such a connection with he and I. 188 00:10:29,086 --> 00:10:31,047 When Denise and Charlie were married, 189 00:10:31,130 --> 00:10:33,883 they both seemed so very happy. 190 00:10:34,508 --> 00:10:37,845 I said, "He's gonna be together with this woman for the rest of his life." 191 00:10:38,554 --> 00:10:39,764 It's all there. 192 00:10:39,847 --> 00:10:42,767 It's all there and the bells are ringing. 193 00:10:43,768 --> 00:10:47,146 My first guest, of course, stars in the hit sitcom Spin City, 194 00:10:47,229 --> 00:10:51,400 which will air its hour-long season finale next Wednesday on ABC. 195 00:10:51,484 --> 00:10:53,194 Please welcome Charlie Sheen. 196 00:10:58,449 --> 00:10:59,700 In that moment, 197 00:11:00,701 --> 00:11:01,911 life's pretty great. 198 00:11:02,912 --> 00:11:04,830 Then… we got the call. 199 00:11:05,331 --> 00:11:06,624 Spin City… 200 00:11:08,292 --> 00:11:09,293 canceled. 201 00:11:10,211 --> 00:11:11,921 Did you take that personally? 202 00:11:12,004 --> 00:11:13,506 -Little bit, yeah. -Yeah. 203 00:11:15,675 --> 00:11:21,013 We decided we're going to parlay that into putting the word out 204 00:11:21,097 --> 00:11:24,850 that I'm gonna continue in this space, and I want to have my pick of the litter. 205 00:11:25,434 --> 00:11:29,146 And I get a call. "Chuck Lorre wants to sit down with you." 206 00:11:30,690 --> 00:11:33,275 You have somehow hit the sweet spot. 207 00:11:33,359 --> 00:11:36,904 I think you've created two-thirds of the television shows on the air. 208 00:11:36,987 --> 00:11:38,989 -Not just to-- -I'm sorry. I'm very sorry. 209 00:11:40,074 --> 00:11:43,160 The idea for Two and a Half Men involved two brothers, 210 00:11:43,244 --> 00:11:47,456 one of which was a Job character, the biblical Job. 211 00:11:47,540 --> 00:11:51,168 He was a hardworking, good man to which endless shit happened. 212 00:11:51,252 --> 00:11:55,965 One of which was a Dionysian character, a hard-partying kind of guy. 213 00:11:56,048 --> 00:12:00,845 He was the god of merriment and wine and sex and whatnot. 214 00:12:00,928 --> 00:12:03,639 When my partner on this project and I went to CBS 215 00:12:03,723 --> 00:12:05,558 to pitch the idea for Two and a Half Men, 216 00:12:06,475 --> 00:12:08,602 I explained the character of one of the brothers 217 00:12:08,686 --> 00:12:10,938 as a Charlie Sheen-type character, 218 00:12:11,939 --> 00:12:14,442 to which she said, "Can you get him?" 219 00:12:19,655 --> 00:12:23,075 Oh, is she staying over? 'Cause I may have parked behind her. 220 00:12:24,285 --> 00:12:27,538 Men, men, men, men Manly men, men, men 221 00:12:32,877 --> 00:12:34,503 I remember our first shoot. 222 00:12:34,587 --> 00:12:36,380 He sort of took me aside and said, 223 00:12:36,464 --> 00:12:38,716 "I know there's a lot of stories about me." 224 00:12:38,799 --> 00:12:40,301 "I've been sober for two years, 225 00:12:40,384 --> 00:12:44,096 and it's incredibly important to me to be faithful to that." 226 00:12:44,180 --> 00:12:46,891 "And I'm really trying to change my life." 227 00:12:46,974 --> 00:12:50,936 And I thought it was interesting he felt the need to express that to me. 228 00:12:51,020 --> 00:12:55,149 He felt the need to say, "I'm gonna be serious about this. Don't be worried." 229 00:12:55,232 --> 00:12:58,152 Sometimes in the middle of the day, for no reason at all, 230 00:12:58,235 --> 00:13:00,780 I like to make myself a big pitcher of margaritas 231 00:13:00,863 --> 00:13:02,615 and take a nap out on the sun deck. 232 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:05,618 Ah. 233 00:13:08,913 --> 00:13:11,248 Charlie Sheen is an icon of decadence. 234 00:13:11,332 --> 00:13:14,376 Say his name, and everybody knows what that means. 235 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:17,046 So everybody expects this, the lothario guy. 236 00:13:17,129 --> 00:13:19,465 This guy who's got the quip handy. 237 00:13:19,548 --> 00:13:22,259 He could party all night, show up an hour late, 238 00:13:22,343 --> 00:13:25,304 breeze through makeup, saying hello to everybody, 239 00:13:25,387 --> 00:13:27,973 who's always gonna be the cool guy in the room. 240 00:13:28,057 --> 00:13:32,728 But you start to realize, "There's a lot going on there that he's covering." 241 00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:36,649 Charlie's actually this mass of fears. 242 00:13:36,732 --> 00:13:39,860 Once I understood that, I understood a lot more about Charlie. 243 00:13:39,944 --> 00:13:43,072 But he goes in and out of being able to have 244 00:13:43,155 --> 00:13:44,782 a healthy way of dealing with that, 245 00:13:44,865 --> 00:13:48,577 and then an incredibly destructive way of dealing with that, 246 00:13:48,661 --> 00:13:50,788 which is the drugs and the partying. 247 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,627 At the risk of dating myself, there is a Dean Martin quality, 248 00:13:56,710 --> 00:13:58,504 an effortlessness. 249 00:13:58,587 --> 00:14:03,008 He played a guy who was inebriated with great class, 250 00:14:03,092 --> 00:14:04,385 which Charlie did as well. 251 00:14:07,096 --> 00:14:11,225 I think Charlie made what otherwise would be a disreputable character… 252 00:14:12,226 --> 00:14:13,185 lovable. 253 00:14:13,269 --> 00:14:14,687 Charlie's Angels. 254 00:14:15,187 --> 00:14:17,106 That's Charlie Sheen's brilliance. 255 00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:20,317 That's his comedy chops. That's his acting skills. 256 00:14:21,235 --> 00:14:22,695 Let's have a look. 257 00:14:24,488 --> 00:14:27,074 In my defense, it's a little cold in here. 258 00:14:27,575 --> 00:14:30,703 I thought he was always going to maybe be more of a comedic guy 259 00:14:30,786 --> 00:14:35,332 because he had that natural ability that you can't teach someone. 260 00:14:35,416 --> 00:14:36,250 He had that. 261 00:14:36,333 --> 00:14:39,295 He'd love to have that last line before he walked out of the room. 262 00:14:39,378 --> 00:14:41,505 I didn't know how that television world worked, 263 00:14:41,589 --> 00:14:43,173 but I knew it was a lot of work. 264 00:14:43,257 --> 00:14:45,175 This is a support group, Charlie. 265 00:14:45,259 --> 00:14:48,220 You're the only one who's pretending it's about Scotch and cigars. 266 00:14:49,972 --> 00:14:53,142 And even though I knew his humor, 267 00:14:53,851 --> 00:14:56,353 the way he was able to own the medium 268 00:14:56,437 --> 00:15:00,274 and do it where he's leading a show, 269 00:15:00,816 --> 00:15:04,445 he's leading the comic timing with very good assist plays, 270 00:15:05,112 --> 00:15:09,116 I guess I was surprised and delighted by it. 271 00:15:09,617 --> 00:15:11,619 You'll have to forgive my brother. 272 00:15:11,702 --> 00:15:14,622 He thinks with his penis, and his penis isn't very bright. 273 00:15:16,957 --> 00:15:20,002 That's true. Anybody who knows me will confirm that. 274 00:15:21,003 --> 00:15:21,837 This didn't build. 275 00:15:21,921 --> 00:15:24,632 There was an audience for it almost immediately. 276 00:15:24,715 --> 00:15:26,383 Keep your hands off my wife. 277 00:15:26,467 --> 00:15:28,969 Obviously it was a huge hit right away. 278 00:15:29,053 --> 00:15:30,888 We kinda killed it out of the gate. 279 00:15:30,971 --> 00:15:35,601 And I remember watching football that last Sunday before we hit the air, 280 00:15:35,684 --> 00:15:37,561 we were every other commercial. 281 00:15:37,645 --> 00:15:39,521 They were pumping us, yeah. 282 00:15:39,605 --> 00:15:41,941 It's difficult to sort of temper your confidence 283 00:15:42,024 --> 00:15:43,817 because it all feels so easy. 284 00:15:43,901 --> 00:15:47,404 "It's funny. This is funny, you know. Easy to be funny. Everybody loves us." 285 00:15:47,488 --> 00:15:49,531 And when it feels that easy, 286 00:15:49,615 --> 00:15:51,700 it's easy to sort of get lulled 287 00:15:51,784 --> 00:15:54,912 into the sense that this is always going to be this easy. 288 00:15:54,995 --> 00:15:56,830 They brought the idea to me. 289 00:15:56,914 --> 00:16:00,209 "How do you feel about having Denise on the show as a romantic interest?" 290 00:16:00,292 --> 00:16:01,168 I'm like, "Cool." 291 00:16:01,251 --> 00:16:05,381 It's the easiest way not to get yelled at when you get home about kissing a girl. 292 00:16:05,464 --> 00:16:07,675 "Come to Mama" bums me a little. 293 00:16:07,758 --> 00:16:11,303 Can we make it, "Come to Catholic schoolgirl"? 294 00:16:12,304 --> 00:16:15,015 Yes, Monsignor. 295 00:16:15,099 --> 00:16:16,684 Hallelujah. 296 00:16:17,267 --> 00:16:22,815 Denise, she struck me as somebody who was just way more practical than Charlie. 297 00:16:22,898 --> 00:16:25,317 She's the anchor he needs in his life. 298 00:16:26,068 --> 00:16:27,528 Aww. 299 00:16:27,611 --> 00:16:29,738 Look at what good poopy you made. 300 00:16:29,822 --> 00:16:32,199 There needed to be a baby in the scene, 301 00:16:32,282 --> 00:16:34,118 and we had Sam. 302 00:16:34,201 --> 00:16:37,788 She must have been a couple months old, and she was cooing at the time. 303 00:16:37,871 --> 00:16:39,915 And the strangest thing happened, 304 00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:44,211 where she didn't make a peep during our dialogue. 305 00:16:44,294 --> 00:16:48,173 Chuck pointed this out when he was in post with that episode, that he said, 306 00:16:48,257 --> 00:16:50,676 "Your daughter inherited your timing, 307 00:16:50,759 --> 00:16:54,013 because she didn't speak over a single, not just a line, 308 00:16:54,096 --> 00:16:57,725 a single word between you and her mom." 309 00:17:00,728 --> 00:17:02,688 -Would you throw this away? -Sure. 310 00:17:06,692 --> 00:17:11,530 I could sense there were things that he was never going to be that suburban, 311 00:17:11,613 --> 00:17:13,991 being more of just a regular married guy. 312 00:17:14,074 --> 00:17:18,287 I felt like it might be, you know, fighting against the tide. 313 00:17:18,370 --> 00:17:19,288 What's wrong? 314 00:17:19,872 --> 00:17:20,706 Nothing. 315 00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:23,834 At one point, Denise showed up unexpected. 316 00:17:23,917 --> 00:17:26,045 I get this frantic knock on my door. 317 00:17:26,128 --> 00:17:28,922 And it's Charlie. I opened, and I was like, "What's up?" 318 00:17:29,006 --> 00:17:32,092 He's looking around frantically. I mean, the guiltiest look around. 319 00:17:32,176 --> 00:17:36,305 I mean, it's like a cliché, and he said, "Hey, man. Can you hold this for me?" 320 00:17:36,388 --> 00:17:39,349 It's a brown paper bag, and I'm like, "What is it?" 321 00:17:39,433 --> 00:17:41,560 "I'm not gonna hold it. Is it legal? What…" 322 00:17:41,643 --> 00:17:44,480 And he said, "No, it's legal." I was like, "Oh, okay." 323 00:17:44,563 --> 00:17:47,733 So I put it in my dressing room, and I closed the door. 324 00:17:48,317 --> 00:17:51,236 And the bag is just sitting there looming. 325 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:52,571 Uh… 326 00:17:52,654 --> 00:17:55,824 And I was, like, "What could possibly be so embarrassing 327 00:17:55,908 --> 00:17:58,285 that Charlie Sheen doesn't want his wife to see it?" 328 00:17:58,368 --> 00:18:00,746 Finally, I couldn't help it and I looked in the bag. 329 00:18:00,829 --> 00:18:04,500 It was legal. It was Barely Legal, the porn magazine. 330 00:18:04,583 --> 00:18:05,834 Uh… 331 00:18:05,918 --> 00:18:07,920 How? How do I push you away? 332 00:18:08,003 --> 00:18:12,257 I felt bad that Charlie's relationship with Denise was going south. 333 00:18:12,341 --> 00:18:14,843 -You can't commit! -Hey, I can commit. 334 00:18:14,927 --> 00:18:17,012 Oh, yeah? Prove it. 335 00:18:17,096 --> 00:18:20,057 As soon as the show started getting really successful, 336 00:18:21,391 --> 00:18:24,394 I think the pressure of that changed him. 337 00:18:25,229 --> 00:18:30,400 It was almost like he was sabotaging the success and sabotaging our family. 338 00:18:30,484 --> 00:18:34,905 When things started to go good, I felt like things were being sabotaged. 339 00:18:34,988 --> 00:18:36,824 Try one of these. It'll relax you. 340 00:18:36,907 --> 00:18:38,700 Oh, perfect. 341 00:18:38,784 --> 00:18:42,412 Charlie, you can't just pop a pill without knowing what it is. 342 00:18:42,496 --> 00:18:44,915 She just said what it is. Thanks, Mom. Gotta go. 343 00:18:44,998 --> 00:18:46,750 I was feeling squirrelly, you know? 344 00:18:46,834 --> 00:18:49,294 I was looking for anything that could be justified 345 00:18:49,378 --> 00:18:53,799 but not completely derail what I was trying to do. 346 00:18:53,882 --> 00:18:56,635 And pills showed up as the answer. 347 00:18:56,718 --> 00:18:58,011 So I thought. 348 00:18:58,095 --> 00:19:00,514 When you say "pills," what are we talking about? 349 00:19:00,597 --> 00:19:03,100 Hydrocodone, like a Norco or Vicodin. 350 00:19:03,976 --> 00:19:05,686 It always starts with the doctor, 351 00:19:05,769 --> 00:19:08,438 usually for some type of pain somewhere on your body 352 00:19:08,522 --> 00:19:13,360 that you could probably navigate with just, you know, Advil and ice. 353 00:19:14,069 --> 00:19:16,071 Did you know you were an addict 354 00:19:16,155 --> 00:19:17,614 and potentially going down this road? 355 00:19:17,698 --> 00:19:20,242 How did you process? You didn't think about consequences? 356 00:19:20,325 --> 00:19:25,539 I thought about it, but I negotiated the hell out of it with myself, you know. 357 00:19:25,622 --> 00:19:28,125 "Yeah, okay, that thing went a little far, 358 00:19:28,208 --> 00:19:31,211 but maybe if I just make these few changes here, 359 00:19:31,295 --> 00:19:33,881 I think it can be much more manageable." 360 00:19:33,964 --> 00:19:34,923 You know? 361 00:19:35,424 --> 00:19:40,846 And that's-- that's the fiction that we start to, uh, embrace as reality. 362 00:19:40,929 --> 00:19:44,391 You can see the soulless emptiness in that shark's eyes. 363 00:19:44,474 --> 00:19:45,767 Ooh! 364 00:19:45,851 --> 00:19:47,477 Two and a Half Men! 365 00:19:47,561 --> 00:19:51,273 You can see the soulless emptiness in Charlie Sheen's eyes. 366 00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:53,817 Sadly, the pills, 367 00:19:53,901 --> 00:19:59,573 they do create a lot of just irrational anger. 368 00:20:00,073 --> 00:20:02,159 When it started to change, it was quick. 369 00:20:03,327 --> 00:20:08,707 I remember reaching out to his sponsor and saying I was concerned. 370 00:20:08,790 --> 00:20:14,087 But people in his circle were like, "It's your hormones. You're postpartum." 371 00:20:14,171 --> 00:20:17,174 If I don't behave the way you want me to, you think it's hormonal. 372 00:20:17,257 --> 00:20:20,594 Not every time, but you've gotta admit there is a pattern. 373 00:20:20,677 --> 00:20:23,639 I was like, "No. There's something fucking wrong." 374 00:20:23,722 --> 00:20:28,602 That's when I started to see that people in his life were trying to, 375 00:20:28,685 --> 00:20:33,190 I felt, kind of pit us against each other, even though we were married 376 00:20:33,273 --> 00:20:37,444 and we had a kid, and another baby on the way, and it was-- 377 00:20:37,527 --> 00:20:39,696 That was very difficult for me. 378 00:20:39,780 --> 00:20:42,741 And I'm not just this quiet wife. 379 00:20:42,824 --> 00:20:46,370 I, you know-- I'm very-- I'm a strong woman, and I'll… 380 00:20:46,453 --> 00:20:48,163 Like, something is not right. 381 00:20:51,625 --> 00:20:53,669 Sheen versus Richards on top in G. 382 00:20:53,752 --> 00:20:57,214 A California judge ordering Charlie Sheen to keep at least 300 feet away 383 00:20:57,297 --> 00:20:59,258 from his estranged wife, Denise Richards. 384 00:20:59,841 --> 00:21:02,427 Yeah, I had the snap aggression. 385 00:21:02,511 --> 00:21:04,888 Because you're not mad at the person, 386 00:21:04,972 --> 00:21:08,517 you're mad at the fact that the second dose you had to take 387 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,520 just to get right, just to feel kind of normal, 388 00:21:11,603 --> 00:21:17,609 didn't give you the pizzazz or the bump that the first two or three gave you. 389 00:21:17,693 --> 00:21:20,988 And so you spend the whole day, night, weekend, whatever, 390 00:21:21,071 --> 00:21:25,284 just chasing that, kind of, that first warm jets. 391 00:21:25,367 --> 00:21:27,828 Like in a… Like in an invisible jacuzzi. 392 00:21:27,911 --> 00:21:29,997 You're just warm jets, you know? 393 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,416 He got very, um… 394 00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:34,876 kind of aggressive. 395 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,005 What she claims happened behind closed doors is remarkable. 396 00:21:38,088 --> 00:21:39,464 Charlie and Denise! 397 00:21:39,548 --> 00:21:43,385 The most explosive charge, Richards says Sheen threatened her life. 398 00:21:43,468 --> 00:21:47,055 I mean, what I went through, what he did put me through, 399 00:21:47,139 --> 00:21:49,975 I don't know how I'm here, to be honest. 400 00:21:50,058 --> 00:21:53,979 And I think the only way through tragedy, what I was going through, 401 00:21:54,062 --> 00:21:59,026 was having a fucking sense of humor about it because it was so bad. 402 00:21:59,109 --> 00:22:00,360 It was so bad. 403 00:22:00,444 --> 00:22:03,322 So… And we can joke around, like, stupid shit. 404 00:22:03,405 --> 00:22:06,825 I know outside people would think we're crazy, making fun. 405 00:22:06,908 --> 00:22:11,621 "Remember when you took a baseball bat to all the TVs?" Shit like that, whatever… 406 00:22:11,705 --> 00:22:16,710 It's like-- It sounds horrible and very dark, but for us, it's… 407 00:22:17,294 --> 00:22:20,714 That was the life getting through. 408 00:22:20,797 --> 00:22:24,468 I think that if I wasn't a strong person, 409 00:22:24,551 --> 00:22:29,848 I would have gone down a very dark road just to deal with all this shit. 410 00:22:29,931 --> 00:22:30,932 It was a lot. 411 00:22:31,016 --> 00:22:35,312 I made it a lot more difficult than it needed to be, you know? 412 00:22:35,395 --> 00:22:36,438 And I own that. 413 00:22:36,521 --> 00:22:39,608 And I'm not-- I feel awful about that to this day. 414 00:22:39,691 --> 00:22:41,610 Do you think he cares about the kids? 415 00:22:41,693 --> 00:22:43,987 Does court ever get any easier? 416 00:22:44,071 --> 00:22:47,199 Um… no. No one wants to be down here. This isn't for publicity. 417 00:22:47,282 --> 00:22:50,160 This is embarrassing and humiliating, and it's for my kids. 418 00:22:50,952 --> 00:22:54,539 At that time, Denise and Charlie, they had two daughters. 419 00:22:55,165 --> 00:22:58,627 I said, "If he's getting a divorce, 420 00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:03,423 it probably had to do with him being back on something." 421 00:23:03,507 --> 00:23:05,884 Denise and Charlie, it was like, "Unbelievable." 422 00:23:05,967 --> 00:23:09,554 But now what's unbelievable is how ugly and nasty 423 00:23:09,638 --> 00:23:13,642 the divorce battle between Denise Richards and Charlie Sheen has become. 424 00:23:13,725 --> 00:23:16,686 Because of the problems Denise and I had when Lola was born, 425 00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:20,357 I didn't have a chance to, in her early part of her life, 426 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,692 to really bond with her. 427 00:23:22,776 --> 00:23:25,362 I always wanted him to be sober growing up. 428 00:23:25,946 --> 00:23:29,074 And just because you can't really have a real relationship 429 00:23:29,157 --> 00:23:31,660 with someone who is going through addiction, 430 00:23:31,743 --> 00:23:34,246 it's hard 'cause they're not in the right frame of mind, 431 00:23:34,329 --> 00:23:36,915 and they can't talk to you the way they'd want to. 432 00:23:36,998 --> 00:23:43,797 So… yeah, I really was never really close with my dad when I was younger. 433 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,593 I was always the one who was told less, I think, 'cause they wanted to protect me. 434 00:23:48,677 --> 00:23:52,597 I did want us to just pretend like everything was fine in front of the kids. 435 00:23:52,681 --> 00:23:54,391 It's not their fault we got divorced. 436 00:23:54,474 --> 00:23:57,018 They didn't ask to be born into a broken family. 437 00:23:57,102 --> 00:24:01,773 They didn't ask to be born into a family that is super public and all this shit. 438 00:24:07,863 --> 00:24:09,614 -Sorry. -It's all right. 439 00:24:13,076 --> 00:24:15,328 -Sorry, you guys. -Why don't we take a break? 440 00:24:15,412 --> 00:24:17,622 -I don't care if they record. -I know. I do. 441 00:24:17,706 --> 00:24:19,708 -No, they should record. -I know, but-- 442 00:24:19,791 --> 00:24:22,794 They should. You're doing a fucking docuseries. 443 00:24:22,878 --> 00:24:26,006 They should. It's fine. I don't care. 444 00:24:26,089 --> 00:24:27,716 Because it's true. 445 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:32,679 If you're gonna get the truth, get the fucking truth. The truth is… It's… 446 00:24:32,762 --> 00:24:35,724 I feel like my life with Charlie is three stages. 447 00:24:35,807 --> 00:24:40,645 It's… the time I met him and married him. 448 00:24:41,146 --> 00:24:45,317 Then my divorce, and then the aftermath of it, you know. 449 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,653 -Sorry to get so fucking emotional. -No, it's all right. 450 00:24:48,737 --> 00:24:55,243 Because it was a lot, and I've had to fucking hold it together. 451 00:25:05,921 --> 00:25:07,547 -Like this? -You're good. 452 00:25:10,467 --> 00:25:12,677 Ferris Bueller's Day Off. 453 00:25:14,304 --> 00:25:16,890 You know what I remember him from, to being young? 454 00:25:16,973 --> 00:25:20,685 Oh, he was the hot football stud. Lucas? 455 00:25:20,769 --> 00:25:22,395 -Yeah. -He was the-- 456 00:25:22,479 --> 00:25:23,647 I loved Dirty Dancing. 457 00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:26,233 I was a dancer growing up. So I remember him from that. 458 00:25:26,316 --> 00:25:29,402 To make sure we're clear, he wasn't in Dirty Dancing. 459 00:25:33,323 --> 00:25:34,533 Oh my goodness. 460 00:25:34,616 --> 00:25:38,537 So I think they literally had just gotten divorced, 461 00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:40,330 and that's when I met him. 462 00:25:40,413 --> 00:25:44,042 She showed up like a lighthouse in a freaking storm. 463 00:25:44,918 --> 00:25:47,128 I was at a party at a friend's house. 464 00:25:47,212 --> 00:25:49,256 We talked, spent an hour together. 465 00:25:49,339 --> 00:25:52,217 Casually found out she was five years sober. 466 00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:55,762 And I got her number, and we talked a few days later. 467 00:25:55,845 --> 00:25:58,598 Then I went to her house, we hung out, said good night. 468 00:25:58,682 --> 00:26:00,850 All very old-fashioned, you know? 469 00:26:01,434 --> 00:26:05,355 I just dug her spirit, man. I dug her light. I dug her energy. 470 00:26:05,438 --> 00:26:07,232 When Charlie got remarried to Brooke, 471 00:26:07,315 --> 00:26:10,735 I was not able to be there because I was on a movie, so my wife went. 472 00:26:10,819 --> 00:26:13,446 My wife called me afterwards and said, "Oh my God." 473 00:26:13,530 --> 00:26:16,658 "I have concerns," is what my wife said. 474 00:26:16,741 --> 00:26:21,538 She said, "I just wanna tell you the toast that Martin Sheen made at the wedding." 475 00:26:21,621 --> 00:26:23,999 And I said, "Okay," I braced myself. 476 00:26:24,082 --> 00:26:29,504 And he apparently stood up, uh, said, "I hope you two know what you're doing," 477 00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:31,298 and sat back down. 478 00:26:31,381 --> 00:26:37,178 That was the entirety of Martin Sheen's toast at Charlie Sheen's wedding. 479 00:26:37,262 --> 00:26:38,847 Brooke is from Palm Beach. 480 00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:42,809 And I told the parents, "Don't let your daughter marry him." 481 00:26:42,892 --> 00:26:46,396 "I think he's wonderful, but a disaster. Don't let your daughter marry him." 482 00:26:46,479 --> 00:26:48,607 You know, one thing leads to the next thing, 483 00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:50,567 and marriage and children. 484 00:26:53,361 --> 00:26:56,990 When the boys were born, they both had these heart problems. 485 00:26:57,073 --> 00:26:59,075 They couldn't get the show to shut down. 486 00:26:59,159 --> 00:27:02,871 So I was basically sleeping at the hospital, 487 00:27:02,954 --> 00:27:05,206 and trying to learn my dialogue there, 488 00:27:05,290 --> 00:27:08,460 and going and checking on them all hours of the night, 489 00:27:08,543 --> 00:27:11,671 and trying to show up for rehearsals and run-throughs. 490 00:27:11,755 --> 00:27:15,842 And, you know, on the phone with Brooke in between every take, 491 00:27:15,925 --> 00:27:20,263 and just really generating a ton of resentment that 492 00:27:20,889 --> 00:27:23,141 the show still mattered that much, 493 00:27:23,224 --> 00:27:29,022 when the star's kids at birth were in tremendous peril. 494 00:27:29,105 --> 00:27:31,107 The kids are fine. It was a temporary thing. 495 00:27:31,191 --> 00:27:33,151 They got through it, they're tough as nails. 496 00:27:33,234 --> 00:27:35,445 But yeah, at that time it was… Phew. 497 00:27:35,528 --> 00:27:37,906 It was scary, man, you know. 498 00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,328 I'm not placing any blame. 499 00:27:43,411 --> 00:27:46,247 I'm just, you know, trying to trace, 500 00:27:46,998 --> 00:27:48,708 kind of, the way things 501 00:27:49,542 --> 00:27:51,628 developed or unraveled, or both. 502 00:27:52,671 --> 00:27:53,838 I remember the night 503 00:27:53,922 --> 00:28:00,345 that nine years of no crack came to a tumbling, spectacular close. 504 00:28:01,012 --> 00:28:03,765 She's in the bathroom with this girl. I hear them doing blow. 505 00:28:03,848 --> 00:28:05,600 I start banging on the door, 506 00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:09,729 and they're like, "What do you want? Don't be a party pooper." 507 00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:13,149 I said, "If you're gonna do this shit in my house, 508 00:28:13,233 --> 00:28:14,859 you need to stop wasting it." 509 00:28:14,943 --> 00:28:16,653 "You need to do it properly." 510 00:28:16,736 --> 00:28:18,697 "Let me show you how to cook this shit up." 511 00:28:19,489 --> 00:28:20,448 And it was on. 512 00:28:26,871 --> 00:28:28,915 I thought I was gonna die for one hour. 513 00:28:28,998 --> 00:28:30,750 Okay, what's your name? 514 00:28:31,334 --> 00:28:32,252 Brooke. 515 00:28:32,335 --> 00:28:34,504 And what's your husband's name? 516 00:28:36,131 --> 00:28:37,799 It's Charlie Sheen. 517 00:28:37,882 --> 00:28:41,261 This is Charlie Sheen's mugshot from the Aspen Police Department. 518 00:28:41,344 --> 00:28:43,847 He spent much of Christmas Day on lockdown 519 00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:46,725 after his wife called cops to their rented vacation home. 520 00:28:48,393 --> 00:28:50,937 It's important to note there was a moment 521 00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:53,022 before I got on the plane to go there 522 00:28:53,106 --> 00:28:56,109 where Dad, like, drove to the airport. 523 00:28:56,776 --> 00:29:00,780 And I remember I was, like, walking to the plane, 524 00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:04,159 and he says, "Don't go. Do not get on this plane." 525 00:29:04,242 --> 00:29:07,996 I said, "What, is it going to crash?" He says, "No. No, but I just…" 526 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:10,749 He says, "I've got a bad feeling about this." 527 00:29:11,958 --> 00:29:16,671 So he was the messenger that was sent to prevent all that heartache, you know? 528 00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:20,425 I can't talk too much about… because… 529 00:29:20,508 --> 00:29:25,388 we don't really know what-- how she-- if she wants to speak to it, you know. 530 00:29:25,472 --> 00:29:27,682 Tell me exactly what happened. 531 00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:31,811 You know, my husband had me… with, um… 532 00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:36,399 With a knife, and I feared for my life and he threatened me. 533 00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:39,986 We went hard fast. 534 00:29:40,487 --> 00:29:45,658 Here you are, husband and wife, in this tiny room, 535 00:29:45,742 --> 00:29:50,580 not leaving that room because we're doing so many drugs for so long, 536 00:29:51,164 --> 00:29:56,419 that everyone starts becoming crazy and paranoid. 537 00:29:56,503 --> 00:30:00,757 And all kinds of bizarre behavior starts to happen, unfortunately. 538 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,719 She blew a 0.13 blood alcohol level, which is legally drunk, 539 00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:08,181 and she has recanted, uh, a good part of that story. 540 00:30:08,264 --> 00:30:12,644 So the whole issue, I think, is really up in the air right now. 541 00:30:12,727 --> 00:30:16,022 -You know, I quickly recanted it. -You recanted at the time? 542 00:30:16,105 --> 00:30:19,275 Oh, yeah, I went in and that's how he got off. 543 00:30:21,736 --> 00:30:25,406 Yeah. Because I… I had to recant my story, 544 00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:28,535 and I remember the DA being very upset with me. 545 00:30:28,618 --> 00:30:30,995 What do you mean you had to? Tell us about that. 546 00:30:31,412 --> 00:30:33,540 Well, if I didn't recant my story, 547 00:30:33,623 --> 00:30:36,793 then he could have gotten into a lot of trouble. 548 00:30:36,876 --> 00:30:38,461 So you felt like you had to 549 00:30:38,545 --> 00:30:42,048 just from the standpoint of protection of the situation that you were all in? 550 00:30:42,131 --> 00:30:44,342 Well, of course. Not only is he my husband, 551 00:30:44,425 --> 00:30:50,849 but also I was so incredibly screwed up on serious drugs for a very long time, 552 00:30:50,932 --> 00:30:54,727 How-- I can't sit there and say, "Okay, I know for a fact this happened, 553 00:30:54,811 --> 00:30:56,521 and this is how it happened," 554 00:30:56,604 --> 00:30:59,524 or anything like that because of the mind. 555 00:30:59,607 --> 00:31:01,651 So once I sobered up and I saw, 556 00:31:01,734 --> 00:31:06,197 "Whoa, what position did I put us in and who the fuck was I?" 557 00:31:06,281 --> 00:31:07,866 Excuse my language. 558 00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:10,285 And then I can't even recall. 559 00:31:10,952 --> 00:31:14,622 That's another-- It's not like I have these specific memories of the night, 560 00:31:14,706 --> 00:31:17,542 and I was like, "This happened, and this definitely happened, 561 00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:20,086 and I'm the victim because of…" No. 562 00:31:20,169 --> 00:31:22,797 In fact, I saw myself as very psychotic. 563 00:31:22,881 --> 00:31:25,258 I… I have my part in it. Sure. Fuck yeah. 564 00:31:25,842 --> 00:31:29,470 And I've made amends with Brooke about it over and over. 565 00:31:29,971 --> 00:31:32,849 And, uh… Yeah, we're past it. 566 00:31:33,516 --> 00:31:34,559 Um… 567 00:31:34,642 --> 00:31:37,061 It sucks that it couldn't have just stayed between us. 568 00:31:37,145 --> 00:31:43,109 I don't think it's fair just to pick up these moments at Charlie's lowest 569 00:31:43,192 --> 00:31:47,113 and define him as a human being based on those moments. 570 00:31:47,196 --> 00:31:50,241 Especially with a history of substance abuse 571 00:31:50,325 --> 00:31:52,535 that alters your behavior and character. 572 00:31:53,202 --> 00:31:56,706 After that incident, it just blew us apart. 573 00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:59,626 The rocky marriage of Charlie Sheen and Brooke Mueller 574 00:31:59,709 --> 00:32:01,127 may be coming to an end. 575 00:32:01,210 --> 00:32:03,755 Sheen filed for divorce from Mueller on Monday. 576 00:32:03,838 --> 00:32:05,715 Sheen was charged with domestic violence 577 00:32:05,798 --> 00:32:07,800 following a Christmas argument with Mueller. 578 00:32:09,302 --> 00:32:11,930 That was the first time I thought of leaving. 579 00:32:12,013 --> 00:32:16,517 Because I didn't want to enable violence, and there was violence involved in that. 580 00:32:17,268 --> 00:32:22,023 I think I had a talk with Chuck about it before sitting down for the table read. 581 00:32:22,106 --> 00:32:24,567 And he said, "You need to do the right thing." 582 00:32:24,651 --> 00:32:27,028 "You need to gather everybody and apologize." 583 00:32:27,111 --> 00:32:28,738 And I said, "I'm not doing that." 584 00:32:28,821 --> 00:32:35,578 They have to… have that, you know, glom on to that with this big presentation 585 00:32:35,662 --> 00:32:38,873 that would have just been a fucking performance piece anyway. 586 00:32:40,291 --> 00:32:42,543 I brought this shame on myself. 587 00:32:42,627 --> 00:32:47,590 I hurt my wife, my kids… my mother. 588 00:32:47,674 --> 00:32:50,385 Tiger Woods' career tanking after his scandal, 589 00:32:50,468 --> 00:32:55,640 but Charlie Sheen's career taking off, even as his troubles continue to pile up. 590 00:32:55,723 --> 00:32:59,936 Two and a Half Men topping the ratings on Monday, days after his assault arrest. 591 00:33:00,019 --> 00:33:04,065 Sheen's not hiding himself, and the public has kind of accepted it, 592 00:33:04,148 --> 00:33:05,566 whereas a guy like Tiger Woods, 593 00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:08,695 we imagine him as a squeaky-clean, perfect athlete, 594 00:33:08,778 --> 00:33:12,532 so he does something wrong, and the public turned against him immediately. 595 00:33:13,074 --> 00:33:17,078 It makes enormous amounts of money for CBS in ad revenue. 596 00:33:17,161 --> 00:33:20,665 155 million last season, all told. 597 00:33:20,748 --> 00:33:24,419 They'd rather not have to put up with Charlie Sheen's behavior, 598 00:33:24,502 --> 00:33:25,837 but they're sort of stuck. 599 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,423 Well, Les Moonves showed up to his house 600 00:33:28,506 --> 00:33:33,094 at nine o'clock in the morning with the head of Warner Bros. Television, 601 00:33:33,177 --> 00:33:35,263 and they said, "Here's two statements." 602 00:33:35,346 --> 00:33:40,476 "Either we're putting out a statement that you've gone to rehab 603 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,896 and we are going to resume filming when you come back, 604 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,943 or this statement is, uh, 'The show is canceled and we're done.'" 605 00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:52,572 He's in the midst of falling apart in every way I can imagine, 606 00:33:52,655 --> 00:33:55,033 and he's renegotiating his contract for another year 607 00:33:55,116 --> 00:33:57,243 of a show I'm supposed to be on too. 608 00:33:58,411 --> 00:34:02,081 Charlie, it's Alan, your brother. No big deal. 609 00:34:02,915 --> 00:34:06,711 I remembered saying, "Dude, I don't know, man. I just, uh…" 610 00:34:06,794 --> 00:34:10,548 "Feeling emotionally done there, and I get there's a ton of money at stake, 611 00:34:10,631 --> 00:34:13,718 and I get there's a lot more juice to be squeezed out of this thing, 612 00:34:13,801 --> 00:34:16,596 but, uh, I don't know how much juice is left in me, 613 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:20,475 and I do fear if I go back it's going to go terribly wrong." 614 00:34:20,558 --> 00:34:21,893 I said those words. 615 00:34:21,976 --> 00:34:25,605 Apparently, they had pre-sold a couple of extra seasons of the show. 616 00:34:25,688 --> 00:34:29,692 Um, so… you know, it was worth their while 617 00:34:29,776 --> 00:34:33,196 to-to spend this astonishing amount of money on Charlie. 618 00:34:33,279 --> 00:34:35,198 Historical. What was that called? 619 00:34:35,281 --> 00:34:36,949 It was a game of telephone… 620 00:34:37,033 --> 00:34:37,867 Yeah. 621 00:34:37,950 --> 00:34:41,621 …between Moonves, my lawyer, and myself, 622 00:34:41,704 --> 00:34:44,290 and us, you know, rejecting, rejecting, rejecting, 623 00:34:44,373 --> 00:34:46,292 and really calling his bluff. 624 00:34:49,295 --> 00:34:52,465 The dictator of North Korea was a guy named Kim Jong Il. 625 00:34:52,548 --> 00:34:56,344 He acted crazy all the time and thus got enormous amounts of aid 626 00:34:56,427 --> 00:35:01,390 from countries who were so scared of him that, uh, they would shovel money at him. 627 00:35:01,474 --> 00:35:03,434 Well, that's what happened here. 628 00:35:03,518 --> 00:35:06,729 His negotiations went off the charts 629 00:35:06,813 --> 00:35:09,398 because his life was falling apart. 630 00:35:09,482 --> 00:35:10,399 Me… 631 00:35:11,692 --> 00:35:15,613 …whose life was pretty good at that time, I got a third of that. 632 00:35:15,696 --> 00:35:17,115 Over here, guys. 633 00:35:17,198 --> 00:35:19,450 -Happy to have him back. -He can't stop smiling. 634 00:35:19,534 --> 00:35:22,870 Absolutely. Absolutely. He's my cleanup hitter. 635 00:35:22,954 --> 00:35:25,206 -Charlie's the man. -Nice. 636 00:35:25,289 --> 00:35:28,126 CBS was really asking for it, and they got it. 637 00:35:28,209 --> 00:35:30,753 Charlie Sheen has signed a two-year deal 638 00:35:30,837 --> 00:35:34,674 to return to Two and a Half Men at two million an episode, 639 00:35:34,757 --> 00:35:38,052 making him the highest-paid TV star in history. 640 00:35:39,137 --> 00:35:41,472 They made the biggest deal in history 641 00:35:41,556 --> 00:35:44,100 for any other actor on television at that time, 642 00:35:44,183 --> 00:35:46,227 and I think to date, actually. 643 00:35:47,562 --> 00:35:51,816 After his big contract, I was actually upset with his people. 644 00:35:51,899 --> 00:35:56,988 Like, "Why are you guys putting him on a show right now? Like, he's not well." 645 00:35:57,071 --> 00:36:02,160 But they just see the money and just want to keep on going. 646 00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:06,289 It was all anybody could focus on, 647 00:36:06,789 --> 00:36:11,169 that he was going to be the highest TV paid star of all time. 648 00:36:11,252 --> 00:36:13,421 Yeah. That was a lot. 649 00:36:13,921 --> 00:36:20,428 It was too much money to give a guy like me in that mindset at that time. 650 00:36:20,511 --> 00:36:24,140 It was a… a recipe for a disaster. 651 00:36:24,223 --> 00:36:26,809 How I would love… 652 00:36:26,893 --> 00:36:29,478 …good does not always triumph. 653 00:36:31,689 --> 00:36:36,235 Sometimes, the dark side… 654 00:36:36,319 --> 00:36:37,445 Where are we? 655 00:36:38,988 --> 00:36:43,409 We're, uh, sitting in my condo in Hollywood, California, 656 00:36:44,911 --> 00:36:46,579 which I got from Charlie 657 00:36:48,122 --> 00:36:50,291 while I was kind of working for him. 658 00:36:50,833 --> 00:36:53,085 I went from being a petty dealer 659 00:36:53,169 --> 00:36:56,923 to making so much money I didn't know what to do with it. 660 00:36:57,715 --> 00:37:00,009 Marco, aka Phil Heinz, 661 00:37:00,509 --> 00:37:02,929 um, spelled just like the ketchup, 662 00:37:03,429 --> 00:37:05,014 is a… is a friend of mine. 663 00:37:05,097 --> 00:37:07,892 And, um… I don't remember 664 00:37:08,643 --> 00:37:09,936 exactly how we met. 665 00:37:11,103 --> 00:37:14,565 I had just got out of prison, and I get a phone call. 666 00:37:14,649 --> 00:37:18,444 He goes, "Hey, man." I'm like, "Bro… who are you?" 667 00:37:18,527 --> 00:37:21,155 He's like, "It's me, Charlie Sheen." 668 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,324 I'm like,"Oh God, this has got to be a fucking prank." 669 00:37:23,407 --> 00:37:27,828 But I kinda recognized his voice because the only shit they played in prison 670 00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:31,958 was Cops, George Lopez, and Two and a Half Men. 671 00:37:32,041 --> 00:37:33,751 At that time I told my friend Barbie. 672 00:37:33,834 --> 00:37:37,463 I'm like, "Hey, are you down to go party with Charlie Sheen?" 673 00:37:37,964 --> 00:37:39,924 And she's like, "Oh, hell yeah." 674 00:37:40,007 --> 00:37:43,052 "Charlie Sheen? I'll fuck him for free," she said. 675 00:37:43,135 --> 00:37:45,805 Every night for, like, the first two weeks, 676 00:37:45,888 --> 00:37:47,682 then to, like, every other night, 677 00:37:47,765 --> 00:37:53,479 and each time I would go to him, it was $15,000 every single time. 678 00:37:53,562 --> 00:37:55,273 Sometimes 20, sometimes 30. 679 00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:57,066 It was just like… 680 00:37:57,733 --> 00:38:00,903 It was just like amazing, like, "Oh my God." 681 00:38:00,987 --> 00:38:04,073 There were some nights when it was just he and I. 682 00:38:04,156 --> 00:38:08,786 Just hanging out, drinking, watching movies, and listening to music. 683 00:38:08,869 --> 00:38:12,957 Just doing, like, normal, kind of fun shit, but just super high. 684 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,250 It was a tough decision 685 00:38:14,333 --> 00:38:19,171 because I had just got out of prison for a transporting charge, 686 00:38:19,255 --> 00:38:24,260 and I just wanted to walk in the right direction in my life. 687 00:38:24,844 --> 00:38:29,890 But then… this opportunity came up and, like, it was just like, 688 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:32,810 kind of like winning the lottery, I mean, like… 689 00:38:33,561 --> 00:38:34,812 who wouldn't want to do it? 690 00:38:34,895 --> 00:38:37,189 Every now and then, he'd start to do little things, 691 00:38:37,273 --> 00:38:38,899 like he'd miss a day of rehearsal. 692 00:38:38,983 --> 00:38:41,277 In the back of your mind, you're always wondering, 693 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,322 "Well…" I obviously want to give him the benefit of the doubt. 694 00:38:44,405 --> 00:38:47,533 He shows up on Friday when we shoot in front of the audience. 695 00:38:47,616 --> 00:38:49,660 He knows his lines, and he does a great job. 696 00:38:49,744 --> 00:38:51,454 Will you admit you've got a problem? 697 00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:54,248 I really don't know. 698 00:38:54,332 --> 00:38:56,959 I think the last couple of years of the show, uh, 699 00:38:57,043 --> 00:39:03,841 I was certainly aware that things were coming unglued and… you know, 700 00:39:03,924 --> 00:39:07,219 I was probably in a great deal of denial about it as well. 701 00:39:07,803 --> 00:39:12,058 Your mind goes into denial thing because your livelihood depends on his livelihood. 702 00:39:12,141 --> 00:39:13,809 "Everything's gonna be fine." 703 00:39:13,893 --> 00:39:15,853 "We're gonna be fine. It's all gonna be fine." 704 00:39:15,936 --> 00:39:16,937 Give me the phone. 705 00:39:17,521 --> 00:39:19,482 -Aw. -Give it. 706 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:24,445 It's here somewhere. Hold on. 707 00:39:24,528 --> 00:39:28,574 Okay, let me just set this. Sorry. It's a deep pocket and all that. 708 00:39:29,950 --> 00:39:31,869 If you know what I mean. 709 00:39:31,952 --> 00:39:36,499 They would call me all the fucking time to go there because I can't get fired. 710 00:39:36,582 --> 00:39:39,293 I was your ex-wife. I was already fired. 711 00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:41,253 When they were desperate, they were like, 712 00:39:41,337 --> 00:39:44,548 "Could you please come over and see if he's alive?" 713 00:39:44,632 --> 00:39:46,008 "We haven't seen him for two days." 714 00:39:46,092 --> 00:39:48,260 And so then I would pound on his door. 715 00:39:48,344 --> 00:39:51,389 And then I'd keep pounding. I'm like, "Open the fuck up!" 716 00:39:53,724 --> 00:39:59,271 And I remember I brought food, and Jon Cryer was there when I get there. 717 00:39:59,355 --> 00:40:03,359 And I'm making sandwiches, and Jon was super nervous. 718 00:40:03,442 --> 00:40:06,237 And he goes, "What are you doing?" 719 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,949 I go, "Well, he hasn't eaten, and I'm making sandwiches." 720 00:40:10,032 --> 00:40:13,953 And then you see two or three hookers come downstairs. 721 00:40:14,036 --> 00:40:18,833 And I remember Jon asking me, "Are you making them sandwiches?" 722 00:40:18,916 --> 00:40:21,585 I go, "Well, yeah." 723 00:40:21,669 --> 00:40:24,755 I mean, what am I going to say? Um… 724 00:40:24,839 --> 00:40:28,592 "Sorry, because of what you do for a living, you don't get 725 00:40:28,676 --> 00:40:35,099 one of my white trash mayo, mustard, turkey, cheese, lettuce sandwiches"? 726 00:40:35,182 --> 00:40:38,519 It wasn't like I was making a gourmet sandwich. 727 00:40:38,602 --> 00:40:43,399 Like, I'm trying to help-- get-- keep him good. 728 00:40:43,482 --> 00:40:46,402 That's the chair you just fucking broke, made you bust your ass. 729 00:40:46,485 --> 00:40:48,362 -What you doin' with it? -Um, of course it is. 730 00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:51,365 Sometimes he would smoke so much crack he couldn't even speak. 731 00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:52,783 He would speak in tongues. 732 00:40:52,867 --> 00:40:53,826 Spinning round… 733 00:40:53,909 --> 00:40:55,661 He'd call me… Like, "What?" 734 00:40:58,998 --> 00:41:00,166 Piece of crap. 735 00:41:00,958 --> 00:41:03,461 I wake up one morning, and TMZ is reporting 736 00:41:03,544 --> 00:41:06,213 that Charlie's Mercedes is at the bottom of a ravine. 737 00:41:06,797 --> 00:41:10,593 And I'm like, "Holy crap. Did he drive off a flipping cliff?" 738 00:41:10,676 --> 00:41:14,680 I go into work that day, he comes in, like, "Hey, man." I'm like, "Hey…" 739 00:41:14,763 --> 00:41:17,266 I'm looking him up and down to see if there's scratches. 740 00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:21,395 I assumed he was loaded, he drove off the cliff, somehow survived, 741 00:41:21,479 --> 00:41:25,316 and then had to climb up the cliff to get back home. 742 00:41:25,399 --> 00:41:27,234 Um… that is not what occurred. 743 00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:28,777 Charlie Sheen's Mercedes 744 00:41:28,861 --> 00:41:30,905 was stolen from his home in Hollywood Hills, 745 00:41:30,988 --> 00:41:33,657 then pushed off a cliff along Mulholland Drive. 746 00:41:33,741 --> 00:41:36,327 And then it happened again. 747 00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:38,204 -Twice in four months. -Yeah. 748 00:41:38,287 --> 00:41:39,371 The same cliff. 749 00:41:39,455 --> 00:41:42,875 But he just appeared to take it in stride. 750 00:41:42,958 --> 00:41:45,544 There's gotta be something else going on in the world now. 751 00:41:45,628 --> 00:41:48,547 There's so much about his life that I will never understand. 752 00:41:48,631 --> 00:41:50,591 I-- I could not live with that in my life. 753 00:41:50,674 --> 00:41:53,802 That somebody stole my Mercedes and drove it off a cliff twice 754 00:41:53,886 --> 00:41:56,430 would make me have a hard time sleeping at night. 755 00:41:58,182 --> 00:42:01,060 And then it was starting to show in the work. 756 00:42:01,143 --> 00:42:04,438 Look, I understand your concerns, but it's not like that. 757 00:42:05,105 --> 00:42:05,940 ****. 758 00:42:06,023 --> 00:42:08,442 I could see his timing was off. 759 00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:12,238 He was clearly overcompensating, uh, for being loaded. 760 00:42:12,321 --> 00:42:14,448 He'd come in and be super friendly to everybody. 761 00:42:14,532 --> 00:42:16,200 "Hey, everybody. How's it going?" 762 00:42:16,283 --> 00:42:20,704 He'd hug crew members who were like, "Hey, hi, Charlie. Good to see you." 763 00:42:20,788 --> 00:42:23,499 -What? -Eh-- Great. ****. Okay. 764 00:42:23,582 --> 00:42:26,043 That's when I was worried about Charlie every day. 765 00:42:26,126 --> 00:42:29,380 I was like, "Is this the day that we're gonna lose him?" 766 00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:33,717 I considered Charlie a friend, not just a colleague at work. 767 00:42:34,802 --> 00:42:39,306 But there was fear that, um, tragedy was right around the corner. 768 00:42:40,516 --> 00:42:44,645 Yes, hi. My name is Dr. Nassif. I live in Beverly Park in Beverly Hills. 769 00:42:44,728 --> 00:42:45,563 Yes, sir. 770 00:42:45,646 --> 00:42:48,440 I just got a call from the residence of Charlie Sheen. 771 00:42:48,524 --> 00:42:50,776 He was very, very intoxicated. 772 00:42:50,859 --> 00:42:53,153 Also, apparently in a lot of pain. 773 00:42:53,237 --> 00:42:55,573 It's kind of weird, the phone call I received. 774 00:42:55,656 --> 00:42:56,657 All right, sir. 775 00:42:56,740 --> 00:42:59,243 Troubled 45-year-old actor Charlie Sheen 776 00:42:59,326 --> 00:43:00,869 is back in the spotlight. 777 00:43:00,953 --> 00:43:05,082 Yesterday morning, he was rushed to Cedars-Sinai Hospital in Los Angeles. 778 00:43:05,165 --> 00:43:08,085 His father, Martin Sheen, was spotted there later that day. 779 00:43:08,669 --> 00:43:11,964 TMZ reports Sheen was taken out of his home on a stretcher 780 00:43:12,047 --> 00:43:13,799 and loaded into an ambulance. 781 00:43:13,882 --> 00:43:16,802 You're hearing things from TMZ, you don't know what's true, 782 00:43:16,885 --> 00:43:19,847 you don't know what kind of shape he's actually in. 783 00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:23,392 He's in detox after a cocaine and alcohol-fueled party 784 00:43:23,475 --> 00:43:25,603 a witness says lasted for days. 785 00:43:25,686 --> 00:43:28,981 I've never seen someone so self-destructive. 786 00:43:29,064 --> 00:43:32,359 I thought maybe it was almost like a suicide binge. 787 00:43:33,110 --> 00:43:37,489 We were all sure that he had OD'd and that he was probably very near death. 788 00:43:37,573 --> 00:43:39,074 And it was terrifying. 789 00:43:40,034 --> 00:43:43,954 But he just kept saying, "No, I'm in the hospital now, 790 00:43:44,038 --> 00:43:45,956 but next week I'll be ready for the show." 791 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,418 Guy eventually shows up, and he opens up his bag, 792 00:43:49,501 --> 00:43:55,799 and he just dumps open, I'd say about five, maybe about this big. 793 00:43:55,883 --> 00:43:59,970 -A tennis ball size? -A tennis ball size of cocaine. 794 00:44:00,554 --> 00:44:05,017 I'd party with him for weeks at a time, which turned into months. 795 00:44:05,517 --> 00:44:08,854 And sometimes it just-- My body just wouldn't take it no more, 796 00:44:08,937 --> 00:44:11,774 and I would go home and sleep for a week or two. 797 00:44:11,857 --> 00:44:14,276 And then when I would go back to party, 798 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,404 he was still partying every single night. 799 00:44:17,488 --> 00:44:20,199 I thought to myself, "Damn, this guy's not human." 800 00:44:20,282 --> 00:44:21,992 Charlie Sheen's biology, 801 00:44:22,076 --> 00:44:27,039 whether you're talking about that or just surviving the kind of stuff that he has, 802 00:44:28,248 --> 00:44:30,584 it's a different chemical reaction. 803 00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:35,631 And I think that there is something biologically different about him. 804 00:44:37,049 --> 00:44:39,468 We're all sort of-- We're looking at each other like, 805 00:44:39,551 --> 00:44:45,224 how do you deal with this, with somebody so intent on bringing themselves down? 806 00:44:45,307 --> 00:44:48,727 And he did this interview with Alex Jones, 807 00:44:48,811 --> 00:44:50,145 and I was stunned. 808 00:44:50,229 --> 00:44:53,273 Let me just say this. It's nothing this side of deplorable 809 00:44:53,357 --> 00:44:56,819 that a certain Chaim Levine, yeah, that's Chuck's real name, 810 00:44:56,902 --> 00:45:00,823 mistook this rock star for his own selfish exit strategy, bro. 811 00:45:00,906 --> 00:45:04,868 I later found out part of the reason he was going on those crazy rants 812 00:45:04,952 --> 00:45:07,079 was that he was using testosterone, 813 00:45:07,162 --> 00:45:10,791 um, that that combined with the drugs that he was doing at the same time, 814 00:45:10,874 --> 00:45:13,585 and drinking, which he was all doing again, 815 00:45:14,169 --> 00:45:16,672 led him to just go on these manic episodes. 816 00:45:16,755 --> 00:45:19,591 I mean, my testosterone was probably like 4,000. 817 00:45:20,467 --> 00:45:23,220 Normal high is like 710. 818 00:45:24,012 --> 00:45:28,726 So yeah, that put me into crazy brain. Fucking crazy brain. 819 00:45:28,809 --> 00:45:31,687 I'm a peaceful man with bad intentions. 820 00:45:31,770 --> 00:45:34,064 Okay, last I checked, Chaim, 821 00:45:34,148 --> 00:45:36,692 I've spent, I think, close to the last decade, 822 00:45:36,775 --> 00:45:41,530 I don't know, effortlessly and magically converting your tin can into pure gold. 823 00:45:41,613 --> 00:45:45,242 He's the cool guy you want to hang with. There's something magical about the man. 824 00:45:45,325 --> 00:45:49,747 All that went away and was replaced by, you know, 825 00:45:50,706 --> 00:45:52,541 what one might call a disease. 826 00:45:52,624 --> 00:45:57,629 What I've come to really embrace in all this time since, 827 00:45:58,464 --> 00:46:03,135 so much of the anger in my personal life, and the anger and the frustration 828 00:46:03,218 --> 00:46:06,305 of two failed marriages and four new children, 829 00:46:06,388 --> 00:46:11,101 and just never-- not finding any real success in those pursuits, um, 830 00:46:12,102 --> 00:46:14,146 I decided to take out on Chuck. 831 00:46:14,229 --> 00:46:18,233 And Chuck took it upon himself to shut the show down. 832 00:46:18,817 --> 00:46:21,487 Are you taping this? Are you taping everything now? 833 00:46:22,446 --> 00:46:25,032 I have to go look at it and decide. 834 00:46:26,617 --> 00:46:27,659 What's up? 835 00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:31,371 -I got terminated by Warner Bros. -My phone's going crazy. 836 00:46:31,455 --> 00:46:34,124 So is mine. This guy says, "Any words for Warner Bros?" 837 00:46:34,208 --> 00:46:36,251 I said, "See you at Fort Knox." 838 00:46:36,335 --> 00:46:39,963 "That's the only place with enough gold to pay off your treasonous ways." Winner! 839 00:46:40,547 --> 00:46:42,382 Fired! Fired! 840 00:46:42,466 --> 00:46:43,801 Congratulations. 841 00:46:43,884 --> 00:46:46,220 Give it up! Fuck that show, man. 842 00:46:46,303 --> 00:46:48,388 That show was beneath me the fucking time I was there. 843 00:46:48,472 --> 00:46:50,390 They never understood the fucking genius they had. 844 00:46:50,474 --> 00:46:53,227 They abused it, then dismissed it, and now they're gonna lose. 845 00:46:53,310 --> 00:46:55,229 Because they're not… 846 00:46:55,896 --> 00:46:57,231 winning! 847 00:46:58,232 --> 00:47:00,818 By the studio telling him no, 848 00:47:00,901 --> 00:47:03,987 I think that took his addiction to a higher level. 849 00:47:05,072 --> 00:47:07,699 And he's just like, "Well, okay, I'll show them." 850 00:47:08,408 --> 00:47:10,369 It's the weapon of the troll. 851 00:47:11,912 --> 00:47:14,957 Okay. I'll use it against him one day. 852 00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:19,837 Find a way to harness it into 50-caliber strafing runs. 853 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,338 Charlie! 854 00:47:24,633 --> 00:47:25,467 Bring it. 855 00:47:25,551 --> 00:47:26,969 Bring it! 856 00:47:27,678 --> 00:47:29,471 Tony Todd for president! 857 00:47:29,555 --> 00:47:32,474 So much of the public were cheering it on. 858 00:47:32,558 --> 00:47:34,685 You're my hero, Charlie! My hero! 859 00:47:37,479 --> 00:47:40,649 People get excited by train wrecks, unfortunately. 860 00:47:40,732 --> 00:47:43,318 -What do you say, Charlie? -If I knew, I'd be wearing it. 861 00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:46,488 Way to go, Charlie. You're a champ! 862 00:47:46,572 --> 00:47:48,156 They wanted to see the train wreck 863 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:51,618 because we were in this new age where they could see all of it. 864 00:47:51,702 --> 00:47:54,079 Now that I have your lazy fucking attention, world, 865 00:47:54,162 --> 00:47:57,165 sit back and rejoice, for the Malibu Messiah, 866 00:47:57,249 --> 00:47:58,542 the condor of Calabasas, 867 00:47:58,625 --> 00:48:01,336 the fucking warlock of your jealous face sits before you. 868 00:48:01,420 --> 00:48:03,714 God knows, you offer it, people will take it. 869 00:48:03,797 --> 00:48:06,383 And take it and take it and take it. 870 00:48:07,050 --> 00:48:09,261 Charlie Sheen, in his own words. 871 00:48:09,344 --> 00:48:10,762 ABC's Andrea Canning 872 00:48:10,846 --> 00:48:13,849 was the first to sit down with him this past Saturday morning. 873 00:48:13,932 --> 00:48:17,269 There with him, as our cameras started rolling at 5:30 in the morning, 874 00:48:17,352 --> 00:48:20,272 and he sweated through an intense morning workout. 875 00:48:20,355 --> 00:48:24,860 And at the end of our shooting, we wondered, as you no doubt will, 876 00:48:24,943 --> 00:48:26,403 what did we just witness 877 00:48:26,486 --> 00:48:29,907 and what will happen next to Charlie Sheen and his family? 878 00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:33,744 All these radio rants have people thinking 879 00:48:33,827 --> 00:48:36,038 Charlie Sheen has got to be on drugs again. 880 00:48:36,121 --> 00:48:38,040 Sure. Yeah. 881 00:48:38,123 --> 00:48:41,668 Yeah, I-I-I am on a drug. It's called Charlie Sheen. 882 00:48:41,752 --> 00:48:45,172 It's not available 'cause if you try it once, you will die. 883 00:48:45,255 --> 00:48:48,425 Your face will melt off, and your children will weep over your exploded body. 884 00:48:48,508 --> 00:48:49,635 Um… too much. 885 00:48:49,718 --> 00:48:52,888 It was stupid. It's embarrassing, um… 886 00:48:52,971 --> 00:48:55,849 Get him off camera, keep him indoors, get him some help. 887 00:48:55,933 --> 00:49:00,354 Put this train back in the station immediately. 888 00:49:00,437 --> 00:49:03,899 Not just on the tracks, bring it in for repair. 889 00:49:03,982 --> 00:49:06,735 -Tell me, last time you took drugs. -Last time I took drugs? 890 00:49:06,818 --> 00:49:10,489 I probably took more than anybody could survive, you know? 891 00:49:10,572 --> 00:49:12,282 What are we talking about? How much? 892 00:49:12,366 --> 00:49:15,243 I don't know. I was banging seven-gram rocks and finishing them 893 00:49:15,327 --> 00:49:18,163 because that's how I roll. I have one speed, one gear, "Go!" 894 00:49:18,246 --> 00:49:21,541 When Charlie said that he was smoking seven-gram rocks, 895 00:49:21,625 --> 00:49:23,460 he was smoking seven-gram rocks. 896 00:49:23,543 --> 00:49:24,920 I've seen it with my own eyes. 897 00:49:25,003 --> 00:49:28,173 -How do you survive that? -Because I-- Because I'm me. 898 00:49:29,341 --> 00:49:31,802 I'm me, I'm different. I have a different constitution, 899 00:49:31,885 --> 00:49:35,222 I have a different brain, different heart. A different-- Tiger blood, man. 900 00:49:35,305 --> 00:49:36,723 There's a handful of people-- 901 00:49:36,807 --> 00:49:41,937 In fact, most of the people that were at my level or Charlie's level are dead. 902 00:49:42,521 --> 00:49:44,398 We are like the last… 903 00:49:45,857 --> 00:49:46,858 survivors. 904 00:49:46,942 --> 00:49:50,612 If he had cancer, how would we treat him, you know? 905 00:49:50,696 --> 00:49:54,491 The disease of addiction is a… is a form of cancer. 906 00:49:54,574 --> 00:49:56,535 I don't care if it's my dad, a guy down the street, 907 00:49:56,618 --> 00:49:58,912 or someone that fell out of the sky. 908 00:49:58,996 --> 00:50:02,207 No interest. I don't care if he's my dad. Back off with your judgment. 909 00:50:02,290 --> 00:50:04,668 You know, he just made the choices he made, 910 00:50:05,335 --> 00:50:09,131 and, um, I don't know if he knew what the consequences would be or anything. 911 00:50:09,214 --> 00:50:11,675 Aren't you getting that I'm not interested in the past at all? 912 00:50:11,758 --> 00:50:15,137 It's just part of who you are, and what's led to this place, so… 913 00:50:15,220 --> 00:50:17,848 Yeah, kinda, but that's another paradigm I'd like to smash. 914 00:50:17,931 --> 00:50:19,224 It got away from me. 915 00:50:19,307 --> 00:50:23,311 We win so radically in our underwear before our first coffee, it's scary. 916 00:50:23,395 --> 00:50:25,480 Sheen calls them his goddesses. 917 00:50:25,564 --> 00:50:27,149 Are you anti-Semitic? 918 00:50:27,232 --> 00:50:30,610 No. No, I'm not. Why would I be? I mean, based on what? No, that's-- 919 00:50:30,694 --> 00:50:33,321 That's a mindset that I would never entertain. 920 00:50:33,405 --> 00:50:36,241 He goes by the name Chuck Lorre. His real name is Charles Levine. 921 00:50:36,324 --> 00:50:38,618 -Right. -You chose to call him Chaim Levine. 922 00:50:38,702 --> 00:50:42,205 You took the Hebrew version, which I think people were wondering, 923 00:50:42,289 --> 00:50:43,540 why would he do that? 924 00:50:43,623 --> 00:50:45,834 I read it off the vanity card, said it as a joke. 925 00:50:45,917 --> 00:50:47,502 I didn't make a big deal about it. 926 00:50:47,586 --> 00:50:49,046 Sheen says he saw the name 927 00:50:49,129 --> 00:50:53,133 on one of the title cards Lorre inserts at the end of each episode of the show 928 00:50:53,216 --> 00:50:54,968 and was simply trying to be funny. 929 00:50:55,052 --> 00:50:57,512 It got away from me, and the public outcry 930 00:50:57,596 --> 00:51:01,183 to keep it percolating, to keep it thriving, to keep it crazy, 931 00:51:01,266 --> 00:51:03,560 was where I was taking my cues. 932 00:51:03,643 --> 00:51:06,063 Your passion is coming off as erratic to people. 933 00:51:06,146 --> 00:51:08,482 Well, you borrow my brain for five seconds 934 00:51:08,565 --> 00:51:11,151 and be like, "Dude, can't handle it. Unplug this bastard." 935 00:51:11,234 --> 00:51:14,988 Yeah, because it fires in a way that is, um, I don't know, 936 00:51:15,072 --> 00:51:20,285 maybe not from this particular terrestrial realm. You know? 937 00:51:20,911 --> 00:51:23,830 When you got tiger blood and Adonis DNA, man, it's like… 938 00:51:23,914 --> 00:51:25,165 Get with the program, dude. 939 00:51:25,248 --> 00:51:27,334 You've been given magic, gold. 940 00:51:28,001 --> 00:51:33,173 It was intoxicating the response to that one interview. 941 00:51:33,256 --> 00:51:35,467 Charlie Sheen is getting more popular by the day. 942 00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:39,763 He gained more than one million followers on Twitter in 24 hours. 943 00:51:39,846 --> 00:51:42,015 It's the "Sheening" of America. 944 00:51:42,099 --> 00:51:43,517 We're "Sheening" our heads off. 945 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,312 Sorry, middle America. Losers. Winning. Bye-bye. 946 00:51:47,395 --> 00:51:51,108 Sirius Radio devoted an entire channel to him for a day. 947 00:51:51,191 --> 00:51:52,692 Tiger Blood Radio. 948 00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:55,570 The Bakersfield Condors hosted Charlie Sheen Night. 949 00:51:55,654 --> 00:51:58,365 Buy one, get one Tiger's Blood Icees and snow cones, 950 00:51:58,448 --> 00:52:01,827 and "Dress up like Charlie, get in for two and a half bucks." 951 00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:03,411 -Winning. -Just winning. 952 00:52:03,495 --> 00:52:04,955 Winning, duh! 953 00:52:05,038 --> 00:52:06,832 Duh, winning! 954 00:52:06,915 --> 00:52:10,127 The troubled star continuing his assault on pop culture. 955 00:52:10,210 --> 00:52:13,713 Kind of a gnarly image. I'm burning my own face, but I can't feel the heat. 956 00:52:13,797 --> 00:52:17,467 But it's his references to warlocks, and himself as one, 957 00:52:17,551 --> 00:52:20,554 that has some people in Salem a little upset. 958 00:52:20,637 --> 00:52:24,099 You shall speak the names of the craft no more. 959 00:52:24,182 --> 00:52:26,101 Charlie Sheen is not a warlock, 960 00:52:26,184 --> 00:52:30,188 for a warlock is a wise person who understands the ways of the spirit world. 961 00:52:30,272 --> 00:52:32,899 Duh, winning. Winning. 962 00:52:32,983 --> 00:52:34,526 I'm winning, I'm winning 963 00:52:34,609 --> 00:52:35,986 Winning, winning 964 00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:41,199 As one poster on TMZ put it, "Parents, make your kids watch this." 965 00:52:41,283 --> 00:52:44,286 "If that doesn't scare them away from drugs, nothing will." 966 00:52:49,708 --> 00:52:52,544 I went over to the computer and pulled the cord out. 967 00:52:52,627 --> 00:52:53,962 Went over to the thing, 968 00:52:54,045 --> 00:52:56,381 turned off social media, turned off all of it. 969 00:52:57,215 --> 00:53:02,345 You know, had to just keep the faith and the thought 970 00:53:02,429 --> 00:53:04,973 that he knows we love him. 971 00:53:05,807 --> 00:53:07,392 We know he loves us. 972 00:53:08,351 --> 00:53:09,644 Hopefully that's enough. 973 00:53:09,728 --> 00:53:11,646 Police removed his twins from the home, 974 00:53:11,730 --> 00:53:14,107 prompted by a restraining order from his ex-wife. 975 00:53:14,191 --> 00:53:17,068 The incident was caught on tape by Radar Online. 976 00:53:17,777 --> 00:53:20,780 With the boys, they didn't have anyone, 977 00:53:20,864 --> 00:53:25,035 and I'm like, "It's either that or they end up in foster care." 978 00:53:25,118 --> 00:53:27,787 So I took them for almost a year. 979 00:53:27,871 --> 00:53:30,123 What about as a dad? Your kids were taken away. 980 00:53:30,207 --> 00:53:31,666 Are you hurting at all? 981 00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:35,128 Uh… Yes, I am, but, uh, on a battlefield, 982 00:53:35,212 --> 00:53:39,591 it's emotion and ego and panic that-that-that get in your way. 983 00:53:40,175 --> 00:53:44,804 I was pursuing a lifestyle that didn't fit the reality. 984 00:53:46,014 --> 00:53:48,683 There was a huge lawsuit at the time with the studio. 985 00:53:48,767 --> 00:53:52,646 And so they were hanging on to a bunch of dough that they owed me. 986 00:53:52,729 --> 00:53:55,232 And I had, you know, bills to pay, 987 00:53:55,315 --> 00:53:58,818 child support, all that fucking shit, and I couldn't pay it. 988 00:53:58,902 --> 00:54:01,988 My managers approached me and said, "We got a call from Live Nation, 989 00:54:02,072 --> 00:54:04,866 and they're curious if you'd like to do a tour?" 990 00:54:05,659 --> 00:54:07,369 I was like, "A tour of what?" 991 00:54:07,994 --> 00:54:11,831 The troubled actor is taking his bizarre behavior out on the road 992 00:54:11,915 --> 00:54:15,835 for Charlie Sheen Live: My Violent Torpedo of Truth. 993 00:54:15,919 --> 00:54:17,254 What your name is synonymous, 994 00:54:17,337 --> 00:54:19,714 and I don't mean this in a negative way, is trouble. 995 00:54:19,798 --> 00:54:23,134 And I think, like, Torpedoes of Truth is so brilliant because it's like-- 996 00:54:23,218 --> 00:54:24,928 It just sounds exciting. 997 00:54:25,011 --> 00:54:28,265 I think you are an American outlaw. 998 00:54:28,348 --> 00:54:31,184 I think the reason you got more Twitter followers 999 00:54:31,268 --> 00:54:33,603 than anybody on the planet is that. 1000 00:54:34,896 --> 00:54:37,941 -Hold on the lights. Stand here. -We're ready to go? 1001 00:55:13,601 --> 00:55:15,729 I think a lot of people in the audience 1002 00:55:15,812 --> 00:55:18,315 enjoyed Charlie Sheen vicariously. 1003 00:55:19,607 --> 00:55:22,152 That he's living the life that they want, 1004 00:55:22,235 --> 00:55:24,237 and a lot of them enjoyed the fact 1005 00:55:24,321 --> 00:55:27,532 that he could have the highest-paying job on the Earth, 1006 00:55:27,615 --> 00:55:31,661 say this to his boss, say this to his boss's boss, 1007 00:55:31,745 --> 00:55:36,499 give everybody the finger, live his life, do every bit of drugs that he wanted, 1008 00:55:36,583 --> 00:55:40,587 and they were mad that anybody was holding him to a limit. 1009 00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:44,424 That anybody was stopping him, really pissed them off. 1010 00:55:46,718 --> 00:55:49,179 This looks pretty good. I'll eat that. 1011 00:55:49,262 --> 00:55:50,138 Whatever. 1012 00:55:51,931 --> 00:55:55,894 You know, untreated crazy over time doesn't get better. It gets fucking worse. 1013 00:55:56,394 --> 00:55:59,939 What do you say to the people who say that you're crazy or bipolar? 1014 00:56:00,023 --> 00:56:02,233 -You address it in the show… -They don't know me. 1015 00:56:12,494 --> 00:56:14,371 I was called bipolar. 1016 00:56:17,832 --> 00:56:20,668 Well, you guys know I'm bi-winning, right? Yeah. 1017 00:56:23,671 --> 00:56:26,716 I'm not sure what the fuck "bipolar" even means. 1018 00:56:27,926 --> 00:56:32,389 Or I let that thing take me. In these 100 days, maybe? 1019 00:56:32,972 --> 00:56:36,393 It's 100 days that really fucking hurt the people I love. 1020 00:56:36,476 --> 00:56:38,311 Put them through a lot of shit. 1021 00:56:38,395 --> 00:56:40,397 That was very hard to be in school 1022 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:45,443 because I would hear about things that I didn't even really know. 1023 00:56:45,527 --> 00:56:47,737 I never really felt normal at school. 1024 00:56:47,821 --> 00:56:52,867 I don't really have any friends from school except for, like, one. 1025 00:56:52,951 --> 00:56:55,745 Rock on, Charlie Sheen. 1026 00:56:56,496 --> 00:56:57,914 Winning! 1027 00:56:57,997 --> 00:56:59,999 "Yeah, you know, he's a breath of fresh air." 1028 00:57:00,083 --> 00:57:05,046 Like, no, he's a guy who got everything he ever wanted from this business, 1029 00:57:05,130 --> 00:57:08,007 he just lost it, and he's having a tantrum. 1030 00:57:08,091 --> 00:57:10,552 This whole thing happened because, uh… 1031 00:57:11,636 --> 00:57:13,430 because I told my boss to fuck off. 1032 00:57:13,513 --> 00:57:14,514 Yeah! 1033 00:57:15,098 --> 00:57:16,891 In so many words. 1034 00:57:17,892 --> 00:57:19,602 It feels weird. 1035 00:57:19,686 --> 00:57:22,105 It feels like I'm watching somebody else. 1036 00:57:22,605 --> 00:57:26,651 And I don't look at that stuff by design. 1037 00:57:27,152 --> 00:57:28,027 Um… 1038 00:57:28,528 --> 00:57:32,866 It just creates such… The shame shivers, you know. 1039 00:57:32,949 --> 00:57:35,618 -Did you have a good time? -Show sucks! 1040 00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:37,537 Should've worn Kevlar tonight. 1041 00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:39,622 New York's tougher. LA's the toughest. 1042 00:57:39,706 --> 00:57:43,042 The good news is Chicago's his number one city for Twitter fans. 1043 00:57:43,126 --> 00:57:44,627 They're there to fucking see him. 1044 00:57:44,711 --> 00:57:47,088 There's an old movie called Weekend at Bernie's. 1045 00:57:48,173 --> 00:57:49,466 The dead guy… 1046 00:57:49,549 --> 00:57:53,303 And there were times where it made me sad going to Charlie's house 1047 00:57:53,386 --> 00:57:55,472 when he would have a bunch of people around, 1048 00:57:55,555 --> 00:57:59,142 and I felt at times they would just prop him up, get him to sign shit. 1049 00:57:59,225 --> 00:58:01,519 Can I get some room, please? We need some room. 1050 00:58:01,603 --> 00:58:03,188 Back up. 1051 00:58:03,271 --> 00:58:05,648 Was he in any condition to be out there like that? 1052 00:58:05,732 --> 00:58:06,733 No. 1053 00:58:07,609 --> 00:58:08,776 I don't think so. 1054 00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:13,448 You want to see a certain… creature, if you will. 1055 00:58:13,531 --> 00:58:19,537 You want to see a certain bad person doing crazy, insane, bad shit 1056 00:58:19,621 --> 00:58:25,835 and glamorizing it in some bizarre way and feeding it, 1057 00:58:25,919 --> 00:58:28,922 and then at the same time, um, demonizing. 1058 00:58:31,925 --> 00:58:34,302 Everybody in every other city that bought tickets, 1059 00:58:34,385 --> 00:58:35,887 you just lost your money. 1060 00:58:35,970 --> 00:58:38,097 -He ain't gonna show up. -He's losing! 1061 00:58:38,181 --> 00:58:39,349 Charlie sucks! 1062 00:58:39,432 --> 00:58:42,185 That would've been nice, if somebody had stepped in, like, 1063 00:58:42,268 --> 00:58:44,729 "Whoa, hey, whoa, this is not…" 1064 00:58:45,772 --> 00:58:50,902 "This is not a spectacle for everyone's folly." 1065 00:58:51,402 --> 00:58:53,112 "This is a man that's in trouble." 1066 00:58:53,196 --> 00:58:56,407 It was a bunch of babble that no one could even understand. 1067 00:58:56,491 --> 00:58:58,034 It was so stupid. 1068 00:58:58,117 --> 00:59:01,371 I feel sorry for anyone who pays for these tickets for other cities. 1069 00:59:01,454 --> 00:59:04,499 If one more fucking person tells me, "Just tell stories," 1070 00:59:04,582 --> 00:59:06,626 I'm gonna tell the story of their firing. 1071 00:59:07,335 --> 00:59:10,630 But again, you know, I had to agree to all that shit. 1072 00:59:10,713 --> 00:59:13,925 You know, I… lit the fuse. 1073 00:59:14,467 --> 00:59:17,971 I kind of had to deal with the concussion, 1074 00:59:18,721 --> 00:59:20,056 the size of the blast. 1075 00:59:22,809 --> 00:59:25,019 That's it. All right. Next group. 1076 00:59:25,103 --> 00:59:28,940 People excel at hypocrisy, and trending thought, 1077 00:59:29,023 --> 00:59:33,611 and being part of a pack that is better than, is more than. 1078 00:59:33,695 --> 00:59:36,072 And destruction… 1079 00:59:37,907 --> 00:59:41,244 I don't think it adds to anybody's happiness. 1080 00:59:41,327 --> 00:59:44,163 But it's very stimulating when you do it. 1081 00:59:44,247 --> 00:59:46,624 People are looking for that stimulation, 1082 00:59:46,708 --> 00:59:48,418 and on the other side of it, 1083 00:59:49,544 --> 00:59:51,671 things get injured, like Charlie. 1084 00:59:52,505 --> 00:59:56,175 And he'll be the first to say he took part in that. 1085 00:59:58,428 --> 00:59:59,846 When that tour ended, man, 1086 00:59:59,929 --> 01:00:05,101 I had a ton of shit I had to suffocate, I had to drown. 1087 01:00:06,561 --> 01:00:11,524 And, I wanted to disappear. 1088 01:00:11,608 --> 01:00:17,238 I just wanted to get into a dark room with a bag of dope and not come out. 1089 01:00:21,117 --> 01:00:23,411 He was just really, you know, effed up at the time, 1090 01:00:23,494 --> 01:00:27,290 and, uh, he would start crying. I would just give him a hug, like, 1091 01:00:27,373 --> 01:00:31,377 "Hey, man. I'm here for you, man. Bottom line, I'm here for you." 1092 01:00:32,754 --> 01:00:35,173 Tony Todd, he was always a friend. 1093 01:00:35,715 --> 01:00:37,133 And a true one. 1094 01:00:39,469 --> 01:00:45,391 I was there just trying to support him and just be by his side, man. 1095 01:00:45,975 --> 01:00:48,186 He would get criticism from different people 1096 01:00:48,269 --> 01:00:52,190 about that he was just around me for the fun shit, you know, 1097 01:00:52,273 --> 01:00:55,276 for the bonuses and the trips and all this stuff. 1098 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,779 But I think he went also knowing 1099 01:00:57,862 --> 01:01:03,034 that this group ain't going to handle any of the stuff that I'll be looking for. 1100 01:01:03,117 --> 01:01:08,665 You know, I was glad that he was there, down the hall, in case some shit went bad. 1101 01:01:08,748 --> 01:01:14,587 But I did always feel he deserved to be in the presence of just better things. 1102 01:01:15,338 --> 01:01:19,801 I mean, it's been nights where he kicks everyone out of the house. 1103 01:01:19,884 --> 01:01:22,512 "Everyone, get out." But I'm there. I'm still there. 1104 01:01:24,681 --> 01:01:28,976 When I was staying at his place, I always had the closest room to him. 1105 01:01:30,186 --> 01:01:32,939 Of course, in the back of my mind, I always thought that, 1106 01:01:33,022 --> 01:01:37,318 "Man, one day, I'm just going to walk in that room and he's gonna be gone." 1107 01:01:37,944 --> 01:01:42,323 He's gonna be gone, and I don't know how I would be able to take that, but… 1108 01:01:45,702 --> 01:01:47,370 I… I… I… 1109 01:01:49,706 --> 01:01:51,374 I just couldn't leave. 1110 01:01:51,457 --> 01:01:54,669 I couldn't leave, and I don't think he wanted me to leave. 1111 01:01:54,752 --> 01:02:00,341 You know, as a friend, man, I can't let this person die on my watch. 1112 01:02:03,678 --> 01:02:05,722 Oh, man. Sorry, I just… 1113 01:02:05,805 --> 01:02:07,557 It's a big story, you know? So… 1114 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,685 It's tough, man. I was getting ready to break down right there, man. 1115 01:02:10,768 --> 01:02:12,562 He got really sick. 1116 01:02:12,645 --> 01:02:15,898 He thought it was because he was detoxing from coke, 1117 01:02:15,982 --> 01:02:20,486 and I said, "No, I've seen you detox before. This ain't it." 1118 01:02:20,570 --> 01:02:22,822 The kind of fucking pain I was in, and Denise, 1119 01:02:22,905 --> 01:02:28,035 I don't know if she spoke to this or not, but headache and full body sweat that… 1120 01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:32,248 that… shouldn't exist while you're still alive. 1121 01:02:32,331 --> 01:02:36,544 I go, "There's something wrong," and I said, "I don't want to scare you, 1122 01:02:36,627 --> 01:02:40,757 but when was the last time you have been tested for HIV?" 1123 01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,342 I thought it was meningitis, brain cancer. 1124 01:02:43,426 --> 01:02:46,387 I thought it was stomach, liver, some fucking-- 1125 01:02:46,471 --> 01:02:51,684 Something where they were going to walk in and say, "Get your affairs in order." 1126 01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:56,439 And when they didn't say that, when they said it, the HIV diagnosis, 1127 01:02:56,522 --> 01:02:59,150 I was kind of fucking relieved, 1128 01:02:59,817 --> 01:03:02,695 because I knew that the technology and the medicine 1129 01:03:02,779 --> 01:03:08,284 had gotten to a place where you can live, you can have a normal freaking life, um… 1130 01:03:08,367 --> 01:03:11,746 And in some cases, it's more treatable than diabetes. 1131 01:03:12,246 --> 01:03:15,792 I'd already had five friends with the same situation. 1132 01:03:15,875 --> 01:03:17,627 I had to keep it to myself. 1133 01:03:17,710 --> 01:03:21,130 I didn't have to sign like an NDA or anything, but had to keep it to myself. 1134 01:03:21,214 --> 01:03:25,051 And I was happy to keep it to myself. I didn't think it was anyone's business. 1135 01:03:25,635 --> 01:03:28,304 The advice I was being given at the time 1136 01:03:28,387 --> 01:03:30,932 spoke to keep this under wraps. 1137 01:03:32,099 --> 01:03:33,309 As long as possible. 1138 01:03:33,392 --> 01:03:37,021 I don't think any of us thought that Charlie would survive it. 1139 01:03:37,688 --> 01:03:41,567 It was that bad, and his body was breaking down. 1140 01:03:41,651 --> 01:03:43,319 Everything. It was terrible. 1141 01:03:43,402 --> 01:03:45,863 He… he knew he was loved. 1142 01:03:46,364 --> 01:03:47,281 Through all of that. 1143 01:03:47,365 --> 01:03:52,286 It increases. It's just more outreach, more love, more support. 1144 01:03:52,370 --> 01:03:53,412 Um… 1145 01:03:53,496 --> 01:03:57,041 No shame, no judging. It's just, you're here. 1146 01:03:57,124 --> 01:03:59,126 You're loved. Let's move forward. 1147 01:03:59,210 --> 01:04:03,923 In that moment, I should've become a fucking vegetarian, 1148 01:04:04,006 --> 01:04:06,384 and instead I became a "cracketarian." 1149 01:04:07,468 --> 01:04:09,303 You know, stupidly. 1150 01:04:09,387 --> 01:04:11,472 I just became very fond of him. 1151 01:04:11,556 --> 01:04:14,433 Like, "Damn, that's my bro right there." 1152 01:04:14,517 --> 01:04:17,812 "I can't let that dude die. He's too fucking cool." You know? 1153 01:04:17,895 --> 01:04:22,024 His drug counselor at the time told me, 1154 01:04:22,108 --> 01:04:25,736 "Is there any way that you can make it less potent for him?" 1155 01:04:25,820 --> 01:04:27,446 And I told him, "I'll try." 1156 01:04:27,530 --> 01:04:29,657 So, little by little, 1157 01:04:29,740 --> 01:04:34,829 I started to reduce the amount of cocaine that I was using to cook the crack. 1158 01:04:34,912 --> 01:04:38,624 It looked exactly the same, but it was just less potent. 1159 01:04:38,708 --> 01:04:42,378 In my mind, I was purchasing and going through the same amount, 1160 01:04:42,461 --> 01:04:47,967 but the percentage was being gradually reduced. 1161 01:04:48,050 --> 01:04:53,472 So they were trying to get me off of crack by making 1162 01:04:54,682 --> 01:04:56,309 weaker crack. 1163 01:04:56,392 --> 01:05:00,771 It took about a good… year and a half, 1164 01:05:00,855 --> 01:05:03,274 but that's how he got sober. 1165 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,362 He actually just got tired of smoking bunk crack, 1166 01:05:09,071 --> 01:05:11,282 which he thought was good crack, 1167 01:05:11,365 --> 01:05:13,200 and he just… 1168 01:05:13,993 --> 01:05:15,494 He just stopped doing it. 1169 01:05:15,578 --> 01:05:19,040 He wanted to stop all of a sudden. He was like, "It's just a waste of time." 1170 01:05:19,123 --> 01:05:21,542 I was quite impressed when I found out later. 1171 01:05:21,626 --> 01:05:23,210 I didn't know when it was going on. 1172 01:05:23,794 --> 01:05:28,090 Talk about being forced to think so far out of the box 1173 01:05:28,966 --> 01:05:31,469 that you land on that. 1174 01:05:32,595 --> 01:05:36,265 You know, "He's not going to stop. That's been established." 1175 01:05:36,766 --> 01:05:41,020 "So… how do we get involved in a way 1176 01:05:41,979 --> 01:05:48,361 that… at least puts him at, you know, less risk." 1177 01:05:48,444 --> 01:05:51,405 It speaks that I'm savable. 1178 01:05:51,489 --> 01:05:52,698 I'm worth saving. 1179 01:06:03,918 --> 01:06:05,378 I don't like to think of people 1180 01:06:05,461 --> 01:06:08,464 by the worst thing they've done and the worst person they've been. 1181 01:06:08,547 --> 01:06:11,717 Um, we're all complicated, we've all done things we're not proud of, 1182 01:06:11,801 --> 01:06:13,970 and we've all done things that we are, uh… 1183 01:06:14,053 --> 01:06:17,098 And… I try not to judge. 1184 01:06:17,181 --> 01:06:21,936 And seeing, you know, somebody you know is capable of being a regular guy 1185 01:06:22,019 --> 01:06:26,107 go off into that, you sort of go, "Oh, okay." 1186 01:06:26,816 --> 01:06:28,109 You know… 1187 01:06:28,192 --> 01:06:33,906 "Something is broken in him that may not ever be able to be repaired." 1188 01:06:40,454 --> 01:06:42,373 All right. There we go. 1189 01:06:43,833 --> 01:06:47,169 Hey, everybody, we're going to clear this whole room out entirely 1190 01:06:47,253 --> 01:06:48,921 for this part of the day. 1191 01:06:49,714 --> 01:06:52,425 So everyone's got to be out of the room, if that's cool. 1192 01:06:52,508 --> 01:06:53,843 Thank you so much. 1193 01:06:56,345 --> 01:06:59,682 Now let's get into all the things you've never publicly talked about. 1194 01:07:03,185 --> 01:07:06,313 Yeah, last night, knowing that we were on the eve of doing this, 1195 01:07:06,397 --> 01:07:10,568 and what this part was going to involve, 1196 01:07:10,651 --> 01:07:13,404 I was trying to remember what the feeling was. 1197 01:07:13,487 --> 01:07:16,115 What was the-- What were the feelings I was… 1198 01:07:17,074 --> 01:07:18,868 that were really familiar. 1199 01:07:18,951 --> 01:07:20,953 And what I connected it to 1200 01:07:21,537 --> 01:07:25,875 was the night before I had to go testify in the Heidi Fleiss mess. 1201 01:07:26,584 --> 01:07:30,880 And just what was expected of me then, and what I knew I had to do, 1202 01:07:30,963 --> 01:07:33,382 and what my marching orders were. 1203 01:07:33,466 --> 01:07:35,885 There was a gun held to your head at that moment. 1204 01:07:35,968 --> 01:07:36,802 Sure. 1205 01:07:36,886 --> 01:07:40,848 And in this situation, you're walking into that discomfort, right? 1206 01:07:40,931 --> 01:07:44,977 Yes, because, um… just certain things, 1207 01:07:45,061 --> 01:07:49,982 certain, um, certain behaviors, certain, um, 1208 01:07:50,066 --> 01:07:55,946 instances, memories have just for too long had too much power over me, 1209 01:07:56,030 --> 01:07:59,784 and I'm tired of being held hostage by them. 1210 01:08:00,409 --> 01:08:02,703 The Corey Haim allegation, did that happen? 1211 01:08:02,787 --> 01:08:04,205 Absolute fucking bullshit. 1212 01:08:04,288 --> 01:08:06,749 This is where everybody's going to, like, pause the doc 1213 01:08:06,832 --> 01:08:10,127 and go find the fucking story, and go for it, um… 1214 01:08:10,628 --> 01:08:14,548 At that point, they'll have read more of it than I have. 1215 01:08:22,098 --> 01:08:25,267 This is The Rumor Report with Angela Yee. 1216 01:08:26,268 --> 01:08:29,021 Corey Feldman had premiered his documentary 1217 01:08:29,105 --> 01:08:30,856 last night at a screening in LA. 1218 01:08:30,940 --> 01:08:33,776 He says that Corey Haim said actor Charlie Sheen 1219 01:08:33,859 --> 01:08:36,946 had raped him while they were making the movie Lucas. 1220 01:08:37,029 --> 01:08:39,865 In a scene that drew gasps from the audience at the premiere, 1221 01:08:39,949 --> 01:08:43,202 Feldman names Charlie Sheen as Haim's alleged rapist. 1222 01:08:44,453 --> 01:08:48,666 I should have taken legal action against Feldman. 1223 01:08:48,749 --> 01:08:50,835 There's a lot of good people in this industry. 1224 01:08:50,918 --> 01:08:54,547 But there's also a lot of really sick, corrupt people in this industry. 1225 01:08:55,381 --> 01:08:59,260 But I didn't feel like, uh, giving that clown 1226 01:08:59,343 --> 01:09:03,806 that much more… you know, content. 1227 01:09:03,889 --> 01:09:06,517 He just went out of his way to, like, launch this thing, 1228 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,062 and we were friends back in the day, or so I thought. 1229 01:09:10,146 --> 01:09:14,942 It's a piece of vile fiction, is what it is. 1230 01:09:15,693 --> 01:09:19,321 The guy's mom came out and said, "This is impossible." 1231 01:09:19,405 --> 01:09:20,990 "This is impossible." 1232 01:09:22,449 --> 01:09:25,911 So yeah, no, that one, just, ugh… Blegh. 1233 01:09:25,995 --> 01:09:28,122 Fuck off, you know? 1234 01:09:32,084 --> 01:09:35,171 ET can confirm ex-porn star Brett Rossi 1235 01:09:35,254 --> 01:09:39,633 is suing her former fiancé, Charlie Sheen, with the lawsuit claiming 1236 01:09:39,717 --> 01:09:43,470 he hid his HIV-positive status while they were together. 1237 01:09:43,554 --> 01:09:47,850 You were sued multiple times for allegedly exposing women to HIV. 1238 01:09:48,350 --> 01:09:51,312 Was there, like, a knowing sexual appetite when you were diagnosed 1239 01:09:51,395 --> 01:09:53,522 that you weren't being clear with people about? 1240 01:09:53,606 --> 01:09:56,233 No. No, I was… 1241 01:09:56,942 --> 01:09:58,027 I was up front. 1242 01:09:58,110 --> 01:10:00,487 There are some watching now who are probably thinking 1243 01:10:00,571 --> 01:10:04,366 having sex with Charlie Sheen is like playing Russian Roulette. 1244 01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:07,661 Were you worried at all having unprotected sex with him? 1245 01:10:07,745 --> 01:10:11,123 He was very open with me initially about this, um… 1246 01:10:11,207 --> 01:10:12,875 I think that's important to note. 1247 01:10:12,958 --> 01:10:15,085 Mm-hmm. So you knew the risks? 1248 01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:17,671 Yes, in fact, I did. 1249 01:10:17,755 --> 01:10:21,175 I think it's just a lot of social stigma that came from back when 1250 01:10:21,258 --> 01:10:24,094 there wasn't treatment for this, and this was a death sentence. 1251 01:10:24,178 --> 01:10:25,846 Nowadays, it's more of a comorbidity 1252 01:10:25,930 --> 01:10:28,057 if regulated properly with the right medication. 1253 01:10:28,807 --> 01:10:30,893 And I was wearing condoms and just… 1254 01:10:30,976 --> 01:10:37,816 By then, I was completely undetectable, so I was checking every fucking box. 1255 01:10:38,484 --> 01:10:44,949 And… they'd be going into the drawers of my bathroom and photographing my meds, 1256 01:10:45,032 --> 01:10:46,158 you know, and there's only-- 1257 01:10:46,242 --> 01:10:50,621 Those meds are only used for one thing in this life, you know? 1258 01:10:51,121 --> 01:10:55,918 And so they were sitting on, like, these insurance policies. 1259 01:10:56,001 --> 01:10:58,671 Then I'd stop seeing them for myriad reasons, 1260 01:10:58,754 --> 01:11:01,715 and um, and then that's what would come out. 1261 01:11:02,216 --> 01:11:05,844 The threat of, "We're going to expose your thing." 1262 01:11:05,928 --> 01:11:09,014 I had to pay these-- Pay them. Pay them more. 1263 01:11:09,098 --> 01:11:11,225 Do you remember how much money was a part 1264 01:11:11,308 --> 01:11:12,726 of those kinds of transactions? 1265 01:11:13,894 --> 01:11:17,022 Uh, if I got off cheap, it was half a mil. 1266 01:11:17,523 --> 01:11:21,443 -For a single person? -Yeah, and that was getting off cheap. 1267 01:11:21,527 --> 01:11:24,655 That was getting them to agree, like, during the first conversation. 1268 01:11:25,281 --> 01:11:28,909 There was one that was 1.4. 1269 01:11:28,993 --> 01:11:31,287 But, you know what, in all the craziness, 1270 01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:35,791 there's only one person in the entire fucking mix 1271 01:11:35,874 --> 01:11:39,378 that still has this thing, that has it, period. 1272 01:11:39,461 --> 01:11:40,838 And that's this guy. 1273 01:11:42,006 --> 01:11:43,716 Nobody got this from me. 1274 01:11:45,134 --> 01:11:47,011 Period. The end. Full stop. 1275 01:11:47,511 --> 01:11:53,058 So, whatever anybody was threatening or what they were claiming on that front 1276 01:11:53,142 --> 01:11:54,935 was absolute fucking bullshit. 1277 01:11:55,019 --> 01:11:57,771 That's important. You're saying it's never been passed on? 1278 01:11:57,855 --> 01:11:58,814 No. 1279 01:11:58,897 --> 01:11:59,857 Never. 1280 01:12:01,233 --> 01:12:02,067 No. 1281 01:12:05,529 --> 01:12:07,156 So then in your own words, 1282 01:12:07,239 --> 01:12:10,617 tell us where did your sexual journey ultimately take you. 1283 01:12:15,914 --> 01:12:20,502 The tour is important because that crack cave I had to go into, 1284 01:12:20,586 --> 01:12:22,588 coming out of the insanity… 1285 01:12:23,547 --> 01:12:24,882 Um… 1286 01:12:24,965 --> 01:12:28,302 that's when a lot of the hypersexuality occurred. 1287 01:12:28,927 --> 01:12:31,263 I think the best way to describe it is, 1288 01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:34,308 you know, crack is a very-- or base cocaine, 1289 01:12:34,391 --> 01:12:39,104 the higher-brow version of crack, um, is a very sexual drug. 1290 01:12:39,188 --> 01:12:43,525 And… you know, if you're looking at a menu, 1291 01:12:44,151 --> 01:12:45,736 at some point, 1292 01:12:46,737 --> 01:12:49,448 you're going to turn that fucker over. "Oh!" 1293 01:12:50,324 --> 01:12:52,284 "Oh, shit. What's all this?" 1294 01:12:52,868 --> 01:12:53,744 Huh! 1295 01:12:54,536 --> 01:12:56,330 "Yeah, let me start with the…" 1296 01:12:57,081 --> 01:12:59,291 "Let's go with that as an appetizer." 1297 01:12:59,792 --> 01:13:01,001 "You know what?" 1298 01:13:01,627 --> 01:13:04,380 "Yeah, you know, here's what I'm thinking, um…" 1299 01:13:04,463 --> 01:13:06,965 "Let's just go with one of each." 1300 01:13:07,049 --> 01:13:09,760 "Just bring me the chef's surprise, you know?" 1301 01:13:09,843 --> 01:13:13,389 So, rather than really talking about what's on the other side of the menu, 1302 01:13:13,472 --> 01:13:17,601 or what dishes I specifically ordered, um, 1303 01:13:17,684 --> 01:13:21,313 I think there's enough people that are gonna come out of the fucking woodwork, 1304 01:13:21,397 --> 01:13:26,944 when they hear me present that, and, you know, claim a lot of stuff. 1305 01:13:27,027 --> 01:13:31,323 And some of it will be true, other parts of it won't be. 1306 01:13:31,407 --> 01:13:33,534 But at that point it's out of my hands, 1307 01:13:33,617 --> 01:13:39,915 and, uh, I guess I encourage them to just have at it. 1308 01:13:43,377 --> 01:13:45,712 This is the first time you're speaking publicly 1309 01:13:45,796 --> 01:13:47,172 about having sex with men. 1310 01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:48,924 Pretty crazy shit. 1311 01:13:49,007 --> 01:13:50,259 How does it feel? 1312 01:13:50,342 --> 01:13:51,677 It's liberating. 1313 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:53,929 It's fucking liberating. And it's… 1314 01:13:54,012 --> 01:13:55,681 Finally be able to say things? 1315 01:13:55,764 --> 01:13:57,099 Just talk about stuff. 1316 01:13:57,182 --> 01:14:01,520 You know, it's like a train didn't come through the side of the restaurant, 1317 01:14:01,603 --> 01:14:03,689 a fucking piano didn't fall out of the sky, 1318 01:14:03,772 --> 01:14:05,566 no one ran into the room and shot me. 1319 01:14:05,649 --> 01:14:10,904 And, so, no, it's… uncharted. 1320 01:14:10,988 --> 01:14:16,702 Did the sexual journey wander into both men and women 1321 01:14:16,785 --> 01:14:20,456 just at that time, because of crack, or had that been going on for a while? 1322 01:14:20,539 --> 01:14:23,167 -No, that's what started it. -Oh, okay. 1323 01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:25,085 That's where it was born. 1324 01:14:26,420 --> 01:14:29,173 Or it sparked, and then, you know, 1325 01:14:29,256 --> 01:14:33,260 whatever chunks of time that I was off the pipe, 1326 01:14:33,343 --> 01:14:37,681 trying to, you know, navigate that, trying to come to terms with it. 1327 01:14:37,764 --> 01:14:42,978 Like, where did that come from? Why did that come from…? 1328 01:14:43,061 --> 01:14:45,856 Or why did that happen? You know? Um… 1329 01:14:45,939 --> 01:14:50,235 And then just finally being like, so what? 1330 01:14:50,861 --> 01:14:51,904 So what? 1331 01:14:52,404 --> 01:14:55,866 Some of it was weird. A lot of it was fucking fun. 1332 01:14:55,949 --> 01:14:59,286 And… life goes on. 1333 01:14:59,369 --> 01:15:01,413 Look at the state of the fucking world. 1334 01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,751 Look at the unflushed fucking toilet that we live in today, 1335 01:15:05,834 --> 01:15:07,669 and where we're headed. 1336 01:15:07,753 --> 01:15:11,006 And, like, this… 1337 01:15:11,089 --> 01:15:15,177 This, the other side of that menu really fucking matters? 1338 01:15:15,260 --> 01:15:16,887 It really fucking matters? 1339 01:15:16,970 --> 01:15:20,724 So what, someone doesn't hire me because, "Oh, he did all that shit." 1340 01:15:20,807 --> 01:15:23,060 Whatever. Didn't want to work with you, anyway. 1341 01:15:23,143 --> 01:15:25,646 It's not as though you were sitting here being like, 1342 01:15:25,729 --> 01:15:28,315 "I fucking hate that that happened." You know what I mean? 1343 01:15:28,398 --> 01:15:30,442 Now I want to nuke the other side of the menu? 1344 01:15:30,526 --> 01:15:34,863 No, I don't. I don't, because that wouldn't make any sense. 1345 01:15:34,947 --> 01:15:36,865 -Yeah. -Just doesn't. 1346 01:15:37,366 --> 01:15:39,785 -I think this… -Nothing rational about that. 1347 01:15:42,246 --> 01:15:44,831 So walk us through how we end up here today, 1348 01:15:44,915 --> 01:15:46,166 eight years sober. 1349 01:15:46,959 --> 01:15:49,545 I knew that the hourglass was down 1350 01:15:49,628 --> 01:15:52,798 to its… final few grains, you know? 1351 01:15:52,881 --> 01:15:56,510 That, um, yeah, I could just feel it. 1352 01:15:56,593 --> 01:15:59,137 And I was one of these people that was still, you know, 1353 01:15:59,221 --> 01:16:03,267 carrying the torch for, "I'm not doing crack. Not taking pills." 1354 01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:05,185 "I'm not doing all that garbage." 1355 01:16:05,269 --> 01:16:07,729 "I'm just going to drink. I'm just going to drink." 1356 01:16:09,648 --> 01:16:10,482 -Jaden. -I'm Charlie. 1357 01:16:10,566 --> 01:16:12,401 -Nice to meet you. -Sorry I'm hammered. 1358 01:16:12,484 --> 01:16:13,819 -You're cool. -How are you? 1359 01:16:13,902 --> 01:16:15,195 -How are you? -Your name? 1360 01:16:15,279 --> 01:16:16,113 Tamara. 1361 01:16:16,196 --> 01:16:17,030 -Tamara? -Uh-huh. 1362 01:16:17,114 --> 01:16:17,948 -Hi. -Hi. 1363 01:16:18,031 --> 01:16:18,865 Awesome. 1364 01:16:18,949 --> 01:16:20,158 Wow. Yeah. 1365 01:16:20,242 --> 01:16:24,121 No, that-- I think booze is the gnarliest drug on the planet. 1366 01:16:24,663 --> 01:16:25,622 You know? 1367 01:16:25,706 --> 01:16:27,541 I had been drinking in the morning, 1368 01:16:27,624 --> 01:16:32,796 and Sam called and said that she had a hair appointment up in Moorpark, 1369 01:16:32,879 --> 01:16:35,924 you know, and she was 12 or 13. 1370 01:16:36,008 --> 01:16:38,302 And she had to be there in an hour. 1371 01:16:38,385 --> 01:16:40,345 I was like, "Shit!" I never drank and drove. 1372 01:16:40,429 --> 01:16:44,933 So, Tony was close by, and I said, "We've got to get Sam up to this thing." 1373 01:16:45,017 --> 01:16:48,145 "I can't drive. Had a few pops." And he was like, "You got it." 1374 01:16:48,228 --> 01:16:52,816 So we got her up there, we were on time, and everything was smooth and cool, 1375 01:16:52,899 --> 01:16:55,152 but it was the drive back, you know… 1376 01:16:55,235 --> 01:16:58,530 It was the drive back that broke my fucking heart. 1377 01:16:58,614 --> 01:16:59,740 Um… 1378 01:17:01,617 --> 01:17:03,952 Because I could see her, like, in the… 1379 01:17:04,036 --> 01:17:06,538 I wasn't driving, so I couldn't see her in the rearview, 1380 01:17:06,622 --> 01:17:09,750 but I could catch little pieces of her in the side view. 1381 01:17:09,833 --> 01:17:12,127 And she was just back there, and this is… 1382 01:17:12,210 --> 01:17:15,339 I don't think she was on a device of any kind, she was just-- I just-- 1383 01:17:15,422 --> 01:17:21,178 I knew that she was back there wondering, "Why isn't this just a me and Dad trip?" 1384 01:17:21,261 --> 01:17:25,432 "Why is Tony involved?" Nothing about Tony with her or whatever, 1385 01:17:25,515 --> 01:17:30,020 but just about why did there have to be this added element? 1386 01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:34,650 And I'm-- Just the way I felt in that moment, after that moment, 1387 01:17:34,733 --> 01:17:38,236 thinking back on that moment, it was… It felt like I'd let her down. 1388 01:17:42,115 --> 01:17:44,159 I carried that moment forward. 1389 01:17:44,242 --> 01:17:46,620 I just thought, "Okay, what can I do?" 1390 01:17:46,703 --> 01:17:48,914 Scheduled or spontaneous, 1391 01:17:48,997 --> 01:17:52,209 when she or any of my other kids need something, 1392 01:17:52,292 --> 01:17:53,502 I'm-- I'm the guy. 1393 01:17:53,585 --> 01:17:55,504 I'm the go-to. 1394 01:17:55,587 --> 01:18:00,384 "What can I do to ensure that that's the case?" 1395 01:18:00,467 --> 01:18:03,095 And it was pretty obvious. 1396 01:18:03,178 --> 01:18:04,429 Quit drinking. 1397 01:18:06,932 --> 01:18:08,850 Let's see where this takes us. 1398 01:18:26,201 --> 01:18:30,580 Well, I only, like, recently started, like, living with him and stuff, so… 1399 01:18:32,332 --> 01:18:34,334 We're kind of opposites right now. 1400 01:18:34,418 --> 01:18:35,252 Yeah. 1401 01:18:35,335 --> 01:18:37,295 I forget everything, he remembers, so… 1402 01:18:39,214 --> 01:18:42,426 Like with bottles, I always open bottles a little bit 1403 01:18:42,509 --> 01:18:44,302 and then don't finish it. 1404 01:18:44,386 --> 01:18:47,013 And then I accidentally leave the bottle out 1405 01:18:47,097 --> 01:18:50,726 and then get another bottle to drink, and it drives him crazy. 1406 01:18:53,937 --> 01:18:57,566 Even though a lot of our personalities are really different, 1407 01:18:57,649 --> 01:19:01,236 they kind of, like, fix, like, each other's mistakes. 1408 01:19:02,195 --> 01:19:07,033 When she's sober, she's great. So, like, as long as she's sober, I'm happy, so… 1409 01:19:07,826 --> 01:19:11,455 Her timeline for recovery is just different from mine. 1410 01:19:11,538 --> 01:19:15,417 That's all, and so, um, you know, 1411 01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:21,089 she's chased the dragon a little longer than she probably should have, um, 1412 01:19:21,173 --> 01:19:23,550 but she's starting to see that, you know, 1413 01:19:23,633 --> 01:19:26,261 if you keep trading 1414 01:19:27,345 --> 01:19:28,930 people for drugs, 1415 01:19:30,015 --> 01:19:32,476 at some point you'll just be left with the drugs. 1416 01:19:32,559 --> 01:19:38,565 Yeah, Charlie really stepped up when my stuff was going dark. 1417 01:19:38,648 --> 01:19:40,525 And it was really dark. 1418 01:19:41,151 --> 01:19:45,822 And, uh, he had all the reasons not to be there for me. 1419 01:19:45,906 --> 01:19:47,657 'Cause when you're not in your right mind, 1420 01:19:47,741 --> 01:19:50,619 you become a terror for other people in your life. 1421 01:19:51,119 --> 01:19:52,037 And… 1422 01:19:53,121 --> 01:19:55,457 now he's taken the role 1423 01:19:55,540 --> 01:20:00,796 of the one who is the responsible protector. 1424 01:20:00,879 --> 01:20:02,297 Especially with the boys. 1425 01:20:02,380 --> 01:20:04,466 -Shit, they're filming me. -We popped up. 1426 01:20:04,549 --> 01:20:05,884 -Hold on. -I didn't know. 1427 01:20:05,967 --> 01:20:07,302 -Hey, how are you? -Hi! 1428 01:20:07,385 --> 01:20:09,930 Hey, good to see you. Wow. 1429 01:20:10,013 --> 01:20:12,849 How's the interview for the documentary going? 1430 01:20:12,933 --> 01:20:16,144 -It's going great. Thank you for asking. -Awesome. Good, good. 1431 01:20:16,228 --> 01:20:18,522 Well, we're honored to have you participate. 1432 01:20:18,605 --> 01:20:20,607 Well, thank you. The honor is all mine. 1433 01:20:20,690 --> 01:20:22,734 And so now he has this role 1434 01:20:22,818 --> 01:20:26,988 that is very different than the role he used to have. 1435 01:20:27,072 --> 01:20:29,366 And it's pretty beautiful, magical, 1436 01:20:29,449 --> 01:20:32,118 and I think it's like a perfect living amends. 1437 01:20:33,578 --> 01:20:38,124 He's already gone bigger and better than anyone ever can. 1438 01:20:38,208 --> 01:20:40,252 That's called his kids, right? 1439 01:20:41,378 --> 01:20:45,715 There's no bigger movie than that, right? No bigger stardom than that. 1440 01:20:47,926 --> 01:20:50,679 I always call him when I need something. 1441 01:20:50,762 --> 01:20:51,805 Anything. 1442 01:20:51,888 --> 01:20:56,518 I always feel like he's the first person who will answer the phone immediately. 1443 01:20:56,601 --> 01:20:59,187 Um, and he'll also drop everything to come help me. 1444 01:21:00,272 --> 01:21:05,527 We started getting pedicures and smoothies together every three weeks to a month. 1445 01:21:05,610 --> 01:21:09,030 It's just nice because I never used to have one-on-one time with him. 1446 01:21:09,114 --> 01:21:13,410 I feel like it's a deeper connection than most kids have with their parents. 1447 01:21:15,328 --> 01:21:16,746 Just want to say hello. 1448 01:21:16,830 --> 01:21:18,832 Well, I hope it's going well. 1449 01:21:19,332 --> 01:21:20,876 Oh, it's going great. 1450 01:21:20,959 --> 01:21:22,043 Okay, good. 1451 01:21:23,545 --> 01:21:26,631 Our house Is a very, very, very fine house… 1452 01:21:26,715 --> 01:21:29,009 I still love him. 1453 01:21:29,092 --> 01:21:32,053 With two cats in the yard 1454 01:21:32,137 --> 01:21:35,056 Life used to be so hard 1455 01:21:35,140 --> 01:21:36,391 Now everything is easy… 1456 01:21:36,474 --> 01:21:42,606 There's supporting players that are more important in the story than myself. 1457 01:21:45,066 --> 01:21:47,485 Our house 1458 01:21:48,194 --> 01:21:51,114 Is a very, very, very fine house 1459 01:21:51,907 --> 01:21:54,701 With two cats in the yard 1460 01:21:54,784 --> 01:21:58,163 Life used to be so hard 1461 01:21:58,246 --> 01:22:03,919 Now everything is easy 'cause of you 1462 01:22:06,004 --> 01:22:09,591 And now 1463 01:22:09,674 --> 01:22:13,011 I'll light the fire 1464 01:22:13,637 --> 01:22:17,182 While you place The flowers in the vase 1465 01:22:17,265 --> 01:22:19,100 Not yet, lady. 1466 01:22:19,184 --> 01:22:25,815 That you bought today 1467 01:22:27,901 --> 01:22:32,238 I can't imagine being my dad. 1468 01:22:33,156 --> 01:22:34,866 Can't even imagine it. 1469 01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:37,410 We banged heads a lot over the years. 1470 01:22:38,036 --> 01:22:39,788 We haven't for a long time. 1471 01:22:39,871 --> 01:22:42,540 We came to a place that's been beautiful. 1472 01:22:43,041 --> 01:22:44,918 It's been, um, nourishing. 1473 01:22:46,461 --> 01:22:48,797 What is true is that I'm proud of you. 1474 01:22:49,464 --> 01:22:50,632 You're my boy. 1475 01:22:52,384 --> 01:22:53,468 And I love you. 1476 01:22:54,886 --> 01:22:56,596 If I could put it in one word… 1477 01:22:59,599 --> 01:23:00,684 gratitude. 1478 01:23:09,317 --> 01:23:12,028 Our house 1479 01:23:12,112 --> 01:23:15,281 Is a very, very, very fine house 118669

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