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[Matthews] If anybody's got my daughter,
my beautiful princess daughter,
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please bring her home safe.
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[reporter] More than 200 police officers
have just one thing on their minds.
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Where is nine-year-old Shannon Matthews?
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It was considered from the get go
a very, very serious case.
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[reporter] There have been comparisons
with the Madeleine McCann case.
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-Do you feel it's been unfair?
-[officer] I do, yes.
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[Vine] The overarching thought
about the McCanns is,
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middle-class parents.
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That could have been our child.
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With the Matthews case,
the initial reaction was,
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the wrong side of the tracks.
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[radio reporter]
Very kind of deprived area.
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Dewsbury Moor full of poor families.
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Bad for car crime, lots of single mothers.
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It didn't matter.
It was about the nine-year-old child.
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No one knew where she was.
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We know she's out there.
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We know she's still alive.
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The problem was we had no evidence
or information of an abduction.
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Twenty-one days after she disappeared,
there's still no sign of Shannon Matthews.
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This was a much darker story
than what it first appeared.
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[siren wailing]
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[dogs barking]
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When the lady who lived in the flat below,
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heard the tiny footsteps of a toddler
coming from Donovan's flat,
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I said, "We need to get in here."
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We'd made determined effort to rouse him,
to get him to come to the door.
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I shouted through the letterbox,
but he wouldn't answer the door.
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My fear was then
that he knew that we were here.
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Could he be doing any harm
to whoever was in there or to himself,
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knowing that the game was up?
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So we needed the assistance
of the Operational Support Unit.
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They've gone up the staircase to the flat.
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I could hear a lot of banging
and crashing,
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smashing of woodwork and doors.
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I went up the staircase
and as I got to the top,
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my colleague appeared
from inside the flat,
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carrying Shannon in his arms.
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Just saying, "I've found her.
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I found her under the bed."
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I just got a glimpse of her face
as we passed on the stairs,
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and she just looked
totally bewildered, you know.
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[Gregg] I was astonished.
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It was one of those moments
of just pure relief
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that we'd found this girl
and we found her alive.
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When the team leader said,
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"Right, this is a crime scene,
lock it down."
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I said, "Not yet, it's not."
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There's a suspect in here somewhere.
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And we started to search the flat again.
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And the cops in the bedroom
were shouting and bawling
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that they'd found Michael Donovan
also under the bed.
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With that, we took Shannon
to Dewsbury police station,
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where she was ultimately handed over
to the emergency social services.
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[Jamieson] I'd gone down to Karen's
a couple of times that day,
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and just so happened to be there
when the police turned up.
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And we heard the police
talking to Karen about Shannon,
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saying that she'd been found,
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and we were bouncing about like…
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[breathes deeply]
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[voice breaking]
We didn't know if that would happen.
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[Bushby] We were all down
at community house
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and I got a text message
and it said that the kid's been found.
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It's going round you've
found Shannon at Batley Carr?
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It was a case of everybody
were ringing everybody
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to see whether… who had the right story.
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It's going round ASDA.
It's got to be true.
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I mean, I suppose within an hour,
all of Dewsbury knew.
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It's true.
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[resident] Oh, man, can't believe it.
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Oh, come on.
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[resident 2] I don't believe it.
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[Megan] I've come out the school
and my dad's been like,
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"They've found Shannon."
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I just broke down crying
because I was so happy,
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but I was so scared at the same time.
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Like, what if she'd been hurt?
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Where was she? Who was she with?
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How far away was she?
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[Jamieson] When is she gonna come home?
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You know, the kids.
All the kids were excited to see her.
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I wanted to hug her like…
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It was like a massive bubble of pressure
and tension and stress
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that had been hanging over that estate.
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A massive needle had been popped
through it and it had gone.
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And while I had to continue
telling the story,
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it was a completely different one.
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And it was one
that it would be a joy to tell.
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It turned it on its head
in one quick moment.
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Karen Matthews was initially
a very unsympathetic figure,
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because I think
there was this reaction of…
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disordered parenting, disorderly life,
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and this is the kind of life in which
you suddenly just lose a daughter.
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But then suddenly, Shannon was found
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and they began then to get behind her
in a massively sympathetic way.
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I think all of us, not just the media,
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but people generally thought
we should not judge this woman.
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[reporter] Tonight, Karen Matthews
and her partner Craig Meehan
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had the look of relief on their faces.
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Shannon is alive and well,
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but there are still many questions
over her disappearance.
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Finding Shannon
was the most important part.
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Now, it's, "What happened?"
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And how did she get there
and who was involved.
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[Gasson] Part of the post arrest
of Michael Donovan
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was the securing of his flat,
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and then the forensic examination
that was conducted from there on.
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The forensic search at Donovan's house
revealed a story,
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you know, as to what
had been happening in that house
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when Shannon was held there.
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[Townsend] I was assisting one of the
uniform lads to get up into the loft space
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and as soon as he got his head
through the hatch itself,
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he said, "There's a tether."
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That tether that was fastened
to a roof beam
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that had been used to fasten
around Shannon's waist,
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which would allow her
to get to the lavatory
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and to turn the television on.
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But it prevented her
from getting to the door or the window
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so that nobody could spot her there.
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[Gasson] The actual place where both
Shannon and Michael Donovan were found.
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He'd actually made the bed
the base of the bed,
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a place where both him and Shannon
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could actually hide in case
somebody came looking for her.
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So that was all premeditated.
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The fact that he'd got that set out.
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[Townsend] And forensic analysis
of her hair samples
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showed that she had been given
prescription drugs
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over a quite a long period of time,
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which were used
to just to keep her subdued.
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Also, one of the items
that were recovered from the flat
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was, erm, a piece of A4 paper
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with a list of commandments on it
for want of a better description.
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And it states, "You must not make
any noise or bang your feet."
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"You must not go near the windows."
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"You must not get anything
or do anything without me being there."
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It says, "Keep the TV volume low."
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"You can play the Super Mario games
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and you can play some DVDs."
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[interviewer]
What was the purpose of those rules?
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What were they supposed to achieve?
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No comment.
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Were they supposed to help maintain
the secret that Shannon was at your flat?
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No comment.
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[Townsend] Donovan was interviewed
at length about that,
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but he wouldn't disclose
any information at all.
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[interviewer] You can see at the bottom
in large letters are the initials "IPU."
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What does that mean?
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No comment.
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It's despicable.
It's absolutely a disgrace.
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Hopes are high that Shannon
will at some point be able to return home,
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but it's unlikely to be anytime soon.
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That process of gently interviewing
the nine-year-old has really just begun.
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-[fireworks burst]
-[cheering]
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That night we decided to have this bonfire
in the back of the community centre.
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We had all kids throwing leaflets in.
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[reporter] These are not needed anymore
and Shannon's friends are celebrating.
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[kids] Shannon! Shannon!
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[Bushby] We had karaoke. We had discos.
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We had fireworks.
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It were one hell
of a community celebration.
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We all went from being all these sad,
depressed people
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to being over the moon, happy, crying
because she'd been found.
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It meant everything.
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Like, no parent wants to ever think
that the child's not going to come home.
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I bet you could have filled the air
with the amount of sighs.
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You know, the heavy sighs. Thank God…
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the nightmare was over.
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[kids shouting, cheering]
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[Freeman] On the day
that Shannon was found,
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the house at Dewsbury Moor
was just inundated,
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surrounded by people from the press.
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And so we felt it safer to take
Karen and Craig to a hotel.
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I remember sitting in the hotel with them,
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watching a party going on
on Dewsbury Moor Estate.
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All the neighbours celebrating.
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But in actual fact, the atmosphere
between Karen and Craig
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was one of a very low…
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Erm, not what you'd expect at all
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when you know my daughter's
been found safe and well.
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[Bushby] That night, it was about,
"That child had been found."
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It was the following morning
that the questions were asked.
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[Jamieson] We knew
that there'd be a police investigation.
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Why she was where she was,
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where they took her from,
why he took her….
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So we knew it wouldn't be the end of it.
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But what came next, we didn't--
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I personally, didn't expect.
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[Bushby] People started
coming out of their houses
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and started talking amongst themselves.
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[Jamieson] When I heard that news
that Shannon had been found
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in Michael Donovan's house,
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my first initial reaction was…
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who's Michael Donovan?
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And why would he hide
a child under the bed?
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[Bushby] I didn't know who Michael Donovan
was until they actually told me.
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Michael Donovan was Craig Meehan's uncle.
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Craig Meehan's uncle.
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It seemed deeply weird
for various reasons.
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Why on earth is she with Craig's uncle?
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How well known
was the uncle to the family?
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How did Shannon come to be in his flat?
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[Bushby] I think there was a lot
of confusion around the estate
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and the fact that she'd been found
at a family member's,
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but why had it taken them so long
to find her at a family members?
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[Jamieson] Initially, when I found out
that he was family,
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I just thought it was strange.
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Why didn't he phone Karen and Craig
and tell them that she was at his house,
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You know, how come this family member
suddenly just popped up?
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[Edwards] Very early on in the search,
we'd been shown a Matthews family tree.
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There was spirals
going off all over the place
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and all sorts of different names.
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And when I thought about the number
of names that were on that list,
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it made perfect sense
for them to take a bit of time
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to get to Michael Donovan.
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[Jamieson] I've never met Michael Donovan,
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but someone described his car
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and I can remember it once
being on the estate.
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But that was weeks and weeks
prior to Shannon going missing.
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[Edwards] And then you start to think,
well, hang on a minute.
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Given that she was so close
to the Moorside Estate
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and the Matthews family home,
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it seems improbable that the only person
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that knew she was in there
was Mick Donovan.
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When Donovan was arrested,
he implicated Karen
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and it was captured on CCTV.
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[officer]
Is there anything you want to say?
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[Donovan] Yes, go and arrest Karen.
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[officer] Yes, go and arrest Karen.
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Donovan straight away said
that Karen's pre-planned the abduction.
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[officer] When you were
arrested in the back of the van,
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you made some comments to me
after you were cautioned.
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You've said get Karen down here.
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We've got a plan.
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We'll share the money. ÂŁ50,000.
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And after his disclosure that he made,
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saying that Karen was involved in it,
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Karen was later interviewed
and she looked a bit shocked.
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[interviewer] He says that
you asked him to look after Shannon
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and that there'd be
some money in it for him.
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No, I didn't.
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That's a lie is that.
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I've never let him go
nowhere near my kids on his own.
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He says that you were supposed
to take Shannon back to his house.
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He's trying to get himself out of it.
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He's not going to get out of it
because it's a load of lies.
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During that interview,
Karen totally denied
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any involvement with Mick Donovan.
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I'd even asked her
if she was having an affair with him,
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if there were a relationship going on,
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and she sort of laughed at me
and said, "Don't be daft."
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He's saying that you were going
to report her missing
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when all the time she was going
to be at his flat?
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I didn't even know where his flat were.
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[Gasson] Michael Donovan
had a very imaginative mind,
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for want of a better phrase.
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He'd already changed his name
from Paul Drake to Mike Donovan,
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who was a sci-fi hero back in the '80s,
a fictional character.
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So there was that likelihood
that he was making this up
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in his imaginative world.
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[interviewer] "She said
I was to keep Shannon
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and look after her and she, Karen,
would report her missing.
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I said, I wasn't happy about this
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and she then threatened if I didn't do it,
to get three lads onto me.
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And I was frightened
that if I didn't do it,
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they would come after me."
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[shutters clicking]
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[Gregg] There were suspicions
around Karen,
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but suspicion is one thing.
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Hard evidence is another.
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[Freeman] Donovan's claims
had to be investigated.
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We did CCTV, neighbour investigations.
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All sorts of enquiries
went into checking Donovan's story
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and we couldn't find anyone
that could support his account.
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We knew something wasn't right.
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[reporter] Karen Matthews
and her boyfriend Craig
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are trying to get back
to some kind of normality.
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Today, friends brought shopping.
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They say Karen fully understands
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that police need to keep speaking
to Shannon.
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[Gasson] One of the first things
we had to do
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from an investigation point of view,
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was to have a formal identification
with, of course, Karen.
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[Freeman] So I was sat with Shannon
in one room
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and Karen was outside looking through.
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And Karen said, "Yeah, that's Shannon."
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And that was it. No emotion.
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This is a mother who's seen her daughter
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that's been missing for over three weeks
for the first time.
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[Freeman] She never asked
where she'd been found.
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She never asked how she was.
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She showed no inkling
of wanting to hug her,
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to speak to her.
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[Freeman] As a detective,
I did find it strange.
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But as a mum, I found it
absolutely appalling.
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[Gregg] The SIO was receiving
a lot of information
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from the family liaison team.
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Karen was behaving
what could be described as unusually
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to what would ordinarily be expected
from her mother in these circumstances.
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But is this the way
that she would usually behave,
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or is it suspicious?
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Is she involved?
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Tonight, ITV News has learnt
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that whilst Karen
has seen her little girl,
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she hasn't spoken to Shannon
or been able to give her a cuddle.
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They will be properly reunited
in the days to come.
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Imagine what that will be like.
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[Bushby] After Shannon were found,
we'd arranged this day out
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for all families on the estate
to two museums.
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Just trying to relax the kids.
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Karen came to my house.
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I was making the sandwiches
for the day trip,
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she went, "They're arresting Craig,
they're arresting Craig.
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And I went, "What are they
arresting Craig for?"
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As part of the search for evidence
about what had happened to Shannon,
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the Matthews family computer was seized
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and as is standard
was forensically examined by the police.
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[reporter] Computers were seized
from the family home
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to see if they held any clues.
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And on there,
they found images of child abuse.
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They're saying he's a paedophile.
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And I just went, "What?"
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So while there were live criminal
proceedings against Michael Donovan,
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Craig Meehan's uncle,
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entirely separate proceedings began
against Craig.
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But were they well and truly connected
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with the disappearance
of Shannon Matthews?
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[Jamieson] For this now to come out,
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makes everybody feel sick and confused,
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because everyone will have questions
that need to be answered.
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[Bushby] When you're given news like that,
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you sort of like,
what else can be thrown at us?
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What else is going to come of all this?
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[Edwards] And that did cause
a level of anger
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amongst the people on the estate.
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[reporter] How is Karen today?
How is she bearing up having to deal
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with the real mix of emotions?
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[Bushby] Totally peeved off.
At the end of the day,
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Craig isn't coming back to the house.
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She's totally done with him.
Her children come first.
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She was totally unaware
of what was going on.
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[reporter] The couple's neighbours
have always stood by them
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against any accusations.
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Now there's a sense of disbelief here
at Craig Meehan's arrest.
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Police officers have stood guard outside
the family home in case of any reaction.
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[Jamieson] People was angry,
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and there were a few people
who had suspicion
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that Karen knew more
than she was letting on.
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She'd do something that…
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You wouldn't act that way
if you didn't know anything about it.
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[Freeman] I'd spent the whole day
with Karen
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after Craig had been arrested.
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We'd actually been to ASDA,
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where she looked at the Sunday newspapers,
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and there was a big picture of her
on the front page,
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and she held it up
so all the shoppers could see
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the picture of her and her herself.
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It was as if she was enjoying
the publicity.
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It was as if she thought
she were a celebrity.
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[Jamieson] Me and Karen
went into a little fish and chip shop,
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and she got a fish and chips
for the family.
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Person behind the counter said,
"They're on us.
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We're really sorry about
what's going on with your daughter."
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And she looked at me and just said,
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"Should get rid of one of my kids
more often."
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And at the time, I would just--
I slapped her on the side of the arm.
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Said, "Why would you say that?"
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One minute, she'd be laughing and joking,
next minute, she'd just go quiet.
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And so she were quite hard to read.
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There were times when you think,
"What you doing?"
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Bit by bit, amateur detective style,
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people on the estate piece this together,
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and Julie Bushby and Natalie Brown
in particular, had real deep concerns
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and so wanted to put some
of those concerns directly to Karen.
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[Bushby] Natalie said to me, she says,
"There's more to this."
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So I said to her, I says, "Right,
I'll arrange a meeting with Karen."
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So the following morning, I rung Karen,
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and I says to her, I says,
"Natalie wants to meet up."
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"No, I don't want to."
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I says, "I'm asking you
to meet up with her
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because all this wants
nipping in the bud now."
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I arranged with her
to meet in Batley town centre
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and I thought, "I better ring Christine."
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Both Julie and Natalie had decided
they would like to speak to Karen,
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so we arranged to meet.
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[Bushby] And they parked up
in the town centre.
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Karen was sat in front.
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Me and Natalie sat in back.
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[Freeman] I think it was Natalie
that opened up with Karen.
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You know, "We know something's not right.
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We're your friends.
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We will support you no matter what.
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But you need to be truthful."
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[Bushby] Natalie put it to her
that she had some bags packed,
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and Karen kept saying, "No, no, no,"
she said, "You did. I saw them."
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And that's when Karen took the biggest
intake of breath I've ever known.
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And said, "Yeah, you're right."
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"Yeah, you're right. I was leaving Craig.
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I asked Donovan to take Shannon,"
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because a taxi will only take four,
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and she had four kids.
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[Freeman] She'd arranged for Shannon
to be picked up by Mick Donovan,
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and she was going to go home
and collect the other children
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and go to Mick Donovan's house
and stay there.
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When she got home,
there was Craig and his cousin,
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and she just wasn't able to say the words,
"I'm going to leave you."
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Which means the plans went tits up.
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And so she put up this pretence
that Shannon was missing.
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Shannon, if you're out there,
please, darling, come home.
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We love you so much.
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[Freeman]
And then it just got bigger and bigger.
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It snowballed out of hand.
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For a few seconds, we were all speechless.
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Then I arrested her.
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[Bushby] Karen was sobbing,
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but I suppose for her, it was relief
that she'd actually come out with that.
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None of us expected to be arresting Karen
for kidnapping her own daughter.
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It's just something
that didn't feature in my thoughts.
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[Bushby] We all got taken down
to the police station
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because they interviewed us there
and then, whilst it were all fresh.
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I walked Karen down
to where they took them into the cells.
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I said to Karen, I'll always be--
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I said it all the way through
that I'd always be her friend.
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Nobody's going to fall out with you.
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As they took her in, I turned my back.
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I just didn't want to see
that door close, I suppose.
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It's game over then,
it's game over for her.
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It's game over for everything
that had gone on.
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That was it. That was the fi--
That door was the final…
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Like the final curtain, if you like.
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Tonight, another extraordinary twist
in the investigation
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into the disappearance
of Shannon Matthews.
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Nearly seven weeks
after Shannon was allegedly abducted,
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her mum, Karen Matthews,
has been arrested.
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That morning that I found out,
it was from a news reporter.
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And I just thought they were making it up.
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She was my friend.
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She's a mum.
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00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,040
She loved her kids.
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Kids were well looked after.
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Why would she kidnap one of her own?
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Refused to believe it.
Probably for my own sanity.
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[Megan] I was absolutely traumatised.
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It really, really got to me
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because of the fact of how many times
I'd been stood there with her,
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crying my eyes out,
saying that I wanted Shannon home.
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If you know where she is,
just call and tell us where she is.
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And she stood there fully knowing
exactly where Shannon is, who she's with,
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and to take my best friend away from me
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and act like, obviously,
she doesn't know what's going on
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whilst watching me hurt that whole time.
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[Bushby] There was a lot of anger.
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Everybody felt betrayed.
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Everybody felt used and abused
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because we were all taken for a ride.
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It were everybody that went out searching,
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that were taken for a ride,
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it was everybody that was putting
posters up, taken for a ride.
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[Townsend] She misled her whole community,
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her friends and family,
the press, the nation,
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effectively, for 23 days.
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[Jamieson] She wasn't allowed back
on the estate by the police.
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So I never got to speak to Karen.
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Did I want to strangle her for doing it?
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Did I want to punch her? Hug her?
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All of the above.
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The children…
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What mum could do that to their own child?
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[Edwards] For those that would
have done the estate down,
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the arrest of Karen took it
to a whole different sinister level.
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And after that, the tone of the coverage
definitely shifted.
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[Vine] Talking about the Shannon case,
no wonder many children are at risk today
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because of the breakdown
of solid family structures.
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[reporter] Just for the record,
is this a decent place to live
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where there are decent people living,
or is this a sink estate?
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[Gregg] We saw a change
where the Dewsbury Moor area
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was being derided in the media,
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and the people were being derided.
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[Vine] When I went to Dewsbury
to report on this story,
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I remember thinking,
this is the classic underclass place
481
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,600
and I hate to use the word,
but it's the word that politicians used.
482
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,360
Where you had an endemic welfare culture
483
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,920
and in the minds of a lot of people
watching this case,
484
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,080
was that terrible thought
485
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,160
that this is a family
to whom bad things happen,
486
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,360
because they're not very good people.
487
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,520
[Warsi] It was seen as an example
of what happens in these communities
488
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,320
where families are not working.
489
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,320
Families are neglectful.
They're not looking after their children.
490
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,440
There is deep sense of irresponsibility.
491
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,440
The then leader of the opposition,
David Cameron,
492
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,240
described what was going on
on Dewsbury Moor
493
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,520
as an example of Broken Britain.
494
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,960
He condemned the Dewsbury Estate,
where the Matthews lived,
495
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,560
as a place where decency
fights a losing battle
496
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,800
against degradation and despair.
497
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,360
But the residents beg to differ.
498
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,320
He's judging us by what is read,
he's not judged us by what is seen.
499
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,640
[reporter] So he's got to come
and have a cup of tea with you guys?
500
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,920
Not just a cup of tea.
501
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,720
Come round and have a look
round the estate.
502
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,920
People were judgemental,
not just on Karen, it was the full estate.
503
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,920
Anybody and anybody.
504
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,680
If they could target 'em,
they'd target 'em.
505
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,680
As a community,
I think it got us hackles up.
506
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,320
I mean, maybe they didn't understand
the way we lived.
507
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,520
Maybe they were trying to get
their heads around it, I don't know.
508
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,640
We are who we are.
We can't change anything.
509
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,800
[Edwards] A story was printed
in one of the national newspapers,
510
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,640
a national tabloid newspaper,
511
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,000
and it was based on a throwaway comment
512
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,200
about Dewsbury Moor being like Beirut,
which is absolutely ridiculous.
513
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,240
Well, you know what papers are like,
some of them anyway.
514
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,080
They write what they want
to write, don't they?
515
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,480
And it's the story for them.
516
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,560
It's going to sell the papers, innit?
517
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,120
There was this class issue
that was bubbling underneath
518
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,480
because there was an element of,
519
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,600
let's observe these people
who are not like us,
520
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,400
but actually they're entertainment
to watch.
521
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,560
And look how they dressed.
522
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,040
Wow, they're still in their pyjamas
at two o'clock in the afternoon
523
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,680
and they're smoking
and look at what their homes look like,
524
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,080
and look at what the estate looks like.
525
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,360
So there was an element
of, yes, sneery judgement.
526
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,760
[Gregg] I did feel that certain lines
were crossed.
527
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,360
What wasn't captured
was the true grit and spirit
528
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,960
of people who were so concerned
and upset by this.
529
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,080
[Lee] I was actually on a day off,
my first day off in a month
530
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,240
and got a phone call asking whether
would I come and interview Karen.
531
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,640
[Freeman] I was with the detective
chief superintendent
532
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,040
watching a video link in a remote room.
533
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,320
[Lee] When I walked
into the interview room,
534
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,240
Karen was sat against the wall
535
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,640
and she looked like she was a beaten lady.
536
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,880
[Freeman] Karen came up
with so many different accounts
537
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,400
of what had happened that were different
538
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,680
to what she actually said
when we were sat in my car
539
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,320
when she made her confession.
540
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,280
She claimed Craig and his mum
engineered the whole thing.
541
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,440
She claimed not to know anything about it,
542
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,960
that she didn't have a clue
where Shannon was.
543
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,240
She claimed that she didn't know
Mick Donovan.
544
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,200
There were so many different versions
you really could not make out
545
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,200
which was the actual truth.
546
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,160
We're not going down
another change of story again.
547
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,200
-No, I'm not changing it.
-Right.
548
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,200
Well, yesterday and today, earlier on
549
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,640
you've said you met
Mick Donovan the day before
550
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,320
and you've arranged for him
to pick up Shannon from school.
551
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:40,800
Haven't you?
552
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,400
She did a few silences,
553
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,960
a few pauses, and then basically thought…
554
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,040
You could see it in her demeanour that…
"I'm going to have to tell 'em."
555
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,400
-Pardon? Yeah.
-[mumbles]
556
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:58,680
Well, let's get this straight.
557
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,960
I'm not gonna have any more
of these stories again. That is a fact.
558
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,720
-[solicitor] Is that right? You asked him?
-Yeah.
559
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,120
Asked him to look after her.
Now are you sure of that?
560
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,040
-[Matthews] Yeah.
-Right, thank you.
561
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,920
Even the solicitor asked her a question
to clarify what she was saying.
562
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,360
-It were a case of that I needed help.
-Right.
563
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,440
I just didn't know how to tell Craig
564
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,560
so I just asked a family member
the way to do it.
565
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,440
Karen seemed to squirm.
566
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,960
She seemed to try to wriggle out of it,
and there was just nowhere for her to go.
567
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,360
[Lee] After a while, she did admit
to knowing Shannon was with Donovan.
568
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,760
[solicitor] And what happened then?
569
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,760
It just went all pear-shaped.
570
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,760
It didn't go to plan
the way I wanted it to go to plan.
571
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,720
What is your plan?
How did you want it to go to plan?
572
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,640
Me to tell Craig it were over
and to leave him.
573
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,360
[Lee] Originally, did it start of with…
574
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,000
Mick were gonna take Shannon 'cause
you were having domestics with Craig,
575
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,640
and then when the police
and press took over,
576
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,480
you realised you could
make some money out of this?
577
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,280
No. I didn't want no money.
578
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,560
But that's what Mick's telling us
that you've done.
579
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,640
Well, I didn't want no money.
580
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,560
[Freeman] But she totally denied
it was about the reward money
581
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,600
or that anyone else was involved.
582
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,520
Tonight, to the trial of the mother
of Shannon Matthews,
583
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,560
who was reported missing
from her home on Dewsbury Moor
584
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,240
for 24 days earlier this year.
585
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,640
Also in the dock with her
is Michael Donovan,
586
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:34,840
the uncle of Karen's former partner
Craig Meehan.
587
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:41,240
[Jamieson] At the trial,
I still didn't want to believe
588
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,760
that Karen had anything to do with it.
589
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:49,120
And even though
she admitted it in the car,
590
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,480
I wanted to see if Karen
would sit there and admit it in court.
591
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,200
[Edwards] She chose to plead not guilty.
592
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,560
And throughout the trial,
593
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,280
Karen just continued to deny everything
and she stuck to the line.
594
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,920
Well, her own lawyer admitted to the court
595
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,440
that Karen Matthews has given
varying accounts of herself,
596
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,640
but she said
rather than being manipulative,
597
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,400
she described her
as sometimes rather stupid.
598
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,320
[Jamieson] At the end,
she still couldn't even be honest.
599
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,560
She lied and lied and lied and lied.
600
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,040
And I don't know if that was because
she thought she'd get away with it.
601
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,680
Who knows?
602
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,080
[Edwards] When the trial was on,
Andy Brennan,
603
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,360
the senior investigating officer
in the case, gave his evidence.
604
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,600
It was about as dark as it got.
605
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:45,720
[Gregg] We found out that the timing
of finding Shannon was critical.
606
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:53,520
Donovan was cleaning all evidence
in the house and his vehicle
607
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,840
to make sure that there was nothing left
that could link him to Shannon.
608
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,360
I think he felt the net
was tightening around him
609
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,240
and he had to get rid of Shannon.
610
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,560
If we hadn't got to Shannon when we did,
even another day late,
611
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,400
it could have had a different outcome.
612
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,880
She kidnapped her own daughter
and lied about it.
613
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,640
Karen Matthews is guilty.
614
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:24,200
What a dramatic conclusion
to this extraordinary story.
615
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,280
Michael Donovan and Karen Matthews
showed no emotion in the dock today,
616
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:33,440
as it became clear that the jury here
had seen through their lies, at last.
617
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,840
[Edwards] Karen Matthews
and Michael Donovan
618
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,240
were convicted of kidnap,
false imprisonment
619
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,280
and perverting the course of justice.
620
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,160
Both convicted unanimously.
621
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,520
Both sentenced to eight years in prison.
622
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,040
It's difficult to understand
what type of mother
623
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,200
would subject her own daughter
to such a wicked and evil crime.
624
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,120
Karen Matthews
is a manipulative individual
625
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,280
who has demonstrated
a remarkable ability to lie.
626
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,920
[Vine] You have the court case
627
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,920
and then the angry coverage
proper begins after conviction
628
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,200
where everyone just said
that woman is awful.
629
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,480
She ought to have been hung.
630
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,000
Honestly, I agree totally.
631
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,680
She's a total liar. Waste of space.
632
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,400
Look how she lied on the television
and stood outside our house crying.
633
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,640
People have been taken in, or…
634
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:24,640
They just feel that their generosity
has been taken advantage of.
635
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,480
And there's nothing
that makes people more angry.
636
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,640
She's a bad mother.
637
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,120
She's not normal, is she?
She's not all there.
638
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,480
[reporter] Tonight, Karen Matthews' house
was boarded up.
639
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,600
It's a shame when,
with all that coming off,
640
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,800
it ties everybody, doesn't it,
with the same thing.
641
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,720
[Vine] It screwed down these stereotypes
642
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:55,960
that people who live disorderly lives
tend to have bad things happen to them.
643
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,560
It blows your mind, this.
644
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,440
You're trying to get people to understand
645
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,240
that being on welfare
does not mean you're a bad person.
646
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,400
And then the most famous person
on welfare in the country
647
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,120
is a very bad person indeed.
648
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,840
We all challenged
our own preconceptions with Karen,
649
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,840
and she reinforced every single one.
650
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:24,520
And that's the tragedy of it.
651
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,680
Now, the Shannon Matthews investigation
652
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,560
has put the town of Dewsbury
firmly in the spotlight
653
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,080
with the kind of headlines of course,
it just doesn't want.
654
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,800
[Warsi] I think Dewsbury has sadly forever
become associated with this case.
655
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,360
And there was a lot of judgement.
656
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,640
And when the media circus moved on,
657
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,760
moved on, saying where you are to blame
658
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,000
rather than how have we all failed
659
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:56,000
that we think this is what we end up
seeing in 2008, in Dewsbury.
660
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,600
[Edwards] I've thought long and hard about
what Karen's motivation might have been,
661
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,960
and I just cannot ever come
to any firm conclusion in my head.
662
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:13,000
There had been all sorts of chat
and chitchat about reward money,
663
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,640
that it was a plot to extract money
664
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,680
from a national newspaper
in return for information
665
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,680
that would lead to the arrest
and conviction
666
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,480
of the person responsible
for the disappearance of Shannon Matthews.
667
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,960
[Megan] What did she do it for?
668
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,360
Was it the attention?
669
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,000
Was it the money or what?
670
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,760
I'll never get the answers to it.
671
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,280
I've always wanted to know
what was running through her head
672
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,600
to even plan something like that.
673
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,680
[Jamieson] Did Karen know that Craig
had all those images on his computer?
674
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,840
Maybe she did. Maybe that's the reason
she did what she did.
675
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,000
To get Shannon away from him.
676
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,040
[Edwards] It's completely baffling.
677
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,920
She chose to keep her mouth shut
about what may or may not have gone on
678
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,680
to carry the can, mostly herself,
679
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,000
but with Michael Donovan
taking his share of the blame.
680
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,520
[interviewer] Did you believe her?
681
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:21,720
No.
682
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,120
[interviewer] Why not?
683
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:26,520
Because it still didn't make sense.
684
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,760
There's a hell of a lot more
to that story.
685
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,080
In my head, there is.
686
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,520
Even the judge turned around and said,
there's more people involved in this.
687
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,160
Which is what I've said all along.
688
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,760
It wasn't just Karen on her own
that came up with this scheme.
689
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,920
Will we ever get the truth from Karen?
690
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,280
I don't think we ever will.
691
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,360
[Warsi] We can't predict
what was going through Karen's mind
692
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,040
at the time that she planned this,
693
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,200
but you can see that this was a woman
694
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,880
who felt that nobody really cared for her.
695
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,040
She didn't have any attention
or any worth.
696
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,680
And then suddenly,
this case made her important,
697
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,040
and it gave her attention.
698
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,600
And suddenly everybody
was focussed on her and her well-being.
699
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,400
And they were supportive
rather than judgemental.
700
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,280
And they wanted to be there by her side
rather than to dismiss her.
701
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,600
So I do think in many ways,
702
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,480
this whole thing
was a huge cry for attention.
703
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,000
[Vine] But in the end, she has to stand
or fall on her own merits,
704
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,640
crimes, failures.
705
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:42,680
And she doesn't represent her street.
706
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,320
She doesn't represent
her community or Dewsbury.
707
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,080
She was a standalone.
708
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,080
[Bushby] As a community,
I don't think anybody
709
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,960
should feel ashamed for what we did.
710
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,800
People slate us, people are proud of us.
711
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,360
It's their choice. They weren't here.
712
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,000
They didn't live through the reality.
713
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,520
The only thing that I am proud of
is how the community came together.
714
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,720
And that we've come out
the other side stronger.
715
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,960
[Townsend] I'm proud
of being a part of a team
716
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,080
that was highly professional
717
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,160
in the way that they conducted
that investigation.
718
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,320
I'm proud of the outcome.
719
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:29,360
The thought, what would have happened
720
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,520
had we not pursued that line of enquiry
on that particular morning?
721
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,680
We were heroes for a day,
but we would have been chumps for eternity
722
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,080
if we'd have walked away.
723
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,440
[Jamieson] Shannon will be 27.
724
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,240
Her oldest will now be in his 30s.
725
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,720
I'd hate to think
that what happened 17 years ago
726
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,480
will affect the rest of their life.
727
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,760
As much as it hurt everybody
that was involved,
728
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,160
I just hope they're brilliant young adults
729
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:07,160
and I hope that they have a happy life.
730
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,560
[Bushby] It should have been a family
brought together and it wasn't.
731
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,400
It was a family torn apart.
732
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:21,440
I hope and pray that there is never
another story like this one.
59707
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