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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,920 [Matthews] If anybody's got my daughter, my beautiful princess daughter, 2 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,400 please bring her home safe. 3 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,480 [reporter] More than 200 police officers have just one thing on their minds. 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,640 Where is nine-year-old Shannon Matthews? 5 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:29,360 It was considered from the get go a very, very serious case. 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,440 [reporter] There have been comparisons with the Madeleine McCann case. 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,520 -Do you feel it's been unfair? -[officer] I do, yes. 8 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,960 [Vine] The overarching thought about the McCanns is, 9 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:38,120 middle-class parents. 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,280 That could have been our child. 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,920 With the Matthews case, the initial reaction was, 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,520 the wrong side of the tracks. 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,240 [radio reporter] Very kind of deprived area. 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,480 Dewsbury Moor full of poor families. 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,640 Bad for car crime, lots of single mothers. 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,480 It didn't matter. It was about the nine-year-old child. 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,040 No one knew where she was. 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,720 We know she's out there. 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:00:59,760 We know she's still alive. 20 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:05,520 The problem was we had no evidence or information of an abduction. 21 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:11,040 Twenty-one days after she disappeared, there's still no sign of Shannon Matthews. 22 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,120 This was a much darker story than what it first appeared. 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,200 [siren wailing] 24 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:24,640 [dogs barking] 25 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,520 When the lady who lived in the flat below, 26 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:47,040 heard the tiny footsteps of a toddler coming from Donovan's flat, 27 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,000 I said, "We need to get in here." 28 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,760 We'd made determined effort to rouse him, to get him to come to the door. 29 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,640 I shouted through the letterbox, but he wouldn't answer the door. 30 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,000 My fear was then that he knew that we were here. 31 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,040 Could he be doing any harm to whoever was in there or to himself, 32 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:06,800 knowing that the game was up? 33 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,760 So we needed the assistance of the Operational Support Unit. 34 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,840 They've gone up the staircase to the flat. 35 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:16,600 I could hear a lot of banging and crashing, 36 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,920 smashing of woodwork and doors. 37 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,520 I went up the staircase and as I got to the top, 38 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,440 my colleague appeared from inside the flat, 39 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,760 carrying Shannon in his arms. 40 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,400 Just saying, "I've found her. 41 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,280 I found her under the bed." 42 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,720 I just got a glimpse of her face as we passed on the stairs, 43 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,960 and she just looked totally bewildered, you know. 44 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:47,560 [Gregg] I was astonished. 45 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:51,480 It was one of those moments of just pure relief 46 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,960 that we'd found this girl and we found her alive. 47 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,800 When the team leader said, 48 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,960 "Right, this is a crime scene, lock it down." 49 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,200 I said, "Not yet, it's not." 50 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,240 There's a suspect in here somewhere. 51 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,480 And we started to search the flat again. 52 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,920 And the cops in the bedroom were shouting and bawling 53 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,360 that they'd found Michael Donovan also under the bed. 54 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,480 With that, we took Shannon to Dewsbury police station, 55 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,840 where she was ultimately handed over to the emergency social services. 56 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,840 [Jamieson] I'd gone down to Karen's a couple of times that day, 57 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:36,240 and just so happened to be there when the police turned up. 58 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,000 And we heard the police talking to Karen about Shannon, 59 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:41,960 saying that she'd been found, 60 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,600 and we were bouncing about like… 61 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,000 [breathes deeply] 62 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,160 [voice breaking] We didn't know if that would happen. 63 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,480 [Bushby] We were all down at community house 64 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,680 and I got a text message and it said that the kid's been found. 65 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,560 It's going round you've found Shannon at Batley Carr? 66 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,600 It was a case of everybody were ringing everybody 67 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,760 to see whether… who had the right story. 68 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,640 It's going round ASDA. It's got to be true. 69 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,000 I mean, I suppose within an hour, all of Dewsbury knew. 70 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,280 It's true. 71 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,440 [resident] Oh, man, can't believe it. 72 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,440 Oh, come on. 73 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,200 [resident 2] I don't believe it. 74 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,480 [Megan] I've come out the school and my dad's been like, 75 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,120 "They've found Shannon." 76 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,840 I just broke down crying because I was so happy, 77 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,800 but I was so scared at the same time. 78 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,760 Like, what if she'd been hurt? 79 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:44,280 Where was she? Who was she with? 80 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,400 How far away was she? 81 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,520 [Jamieson] When is she gonna come home? 82 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,920 You know, the kids. All the kids were excited to see her. 83 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,880 I wanted to hug her like… 84 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:05,480 It was like a massive bubble of pressure and tension and stress 85 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,440 that had been hanging over that estate. 86 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,440 A massive needle had been popped through it and it had gone. 87 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,040 And while I had to continue telling the story, 88 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,400 it was a completely different one. 89 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,680 And it was one that it would be a joy to tell. 90 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,440 It turned it on its head in one quick moment. 91 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:26,800 Karen Matthews was initially a very unsympathetic figure, 92 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,960 because I think there was this reaction of… 93 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,880 disordered parenting, disorderly life, 94 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,640 and this is the kind of life in which you suddenly just lose a daughter. 95 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,160 But then suddenly, Shannon was found 96 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,600 and they began then to get behind her in a massively sympathetic way. 97 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:47,920 I think all of us, not just the media, 98 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,200 but people generally thought we should not judge this woman. 99 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:54,640 [reporter] Tonight, Karen Matthews and her partner Craig Meehan 100 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,000 had the look of relief on their faces. 101 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,480 Shannon is alive and well, 102 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,520 but there are still many questions over her disappearance. 103 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,880 Finding Shannon was the most important part. 104 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,320 Now, it's, "What happened?" 105 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,800 And how did she get there and who was involved. 106 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,880 [Gasson] Part of the post arrest of Michael Donovan 107 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,720 was the securing of his flat, 108 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:26,000 and then the forensic examination that was conducted from there on. 109 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,240 The forensic search at Donovan's house revealed a story, 110 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,480 you know, as to what had been happening in that house 111 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,480 when Shannon was held there. 112 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,400 [Townsend] I was assisting one of the uniform lads to get up into the loft space 113 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,200 and as soon as he got his head through the hatch itself, 114 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:47,560 he said, "There's a tether." 115 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,640 That tether that was fastened to a roof beam 116 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,320 that had been used to fasten around Shannon's waist, 117 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,040 which would allow her to get to the lavatory 118 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,080 and to turn the television on. 119 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,560 But it prevented her from getting to the door or the window 120 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,600 so that nobody could spot her there. 121 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:12,360 [Gasson] The actual place where both Shannon and Michael Donovan were found. 122 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,320 He'd actually made the bed the base of the bed, 123 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,680 a place where both him and Shannon 124 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,480 could actually hide in case somebody came looking for her. 125 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,240 So that was all premeditated. 126 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,200 The fact that he'd got that set out. 127 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,000 [Townsend] And forensic analysis of her hair samples 128 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,800 showed that she had been given prescription drugs 129 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,120 over a quite a long period of time, 130 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,960 which were used to just to keep her subdued. 131 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,160 Also, one of the items that were recovered from the flat 132 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,040 was, erm, a piece of A4 paper 133 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,880 with a list of commandments on it for want of a better description. 134 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:56,080 And it states, "You must not make any noise or bang your feet." 135 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,960 "You must not go near the windows." 136 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,840 "You must not get anything or do anything without me being there." 137 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,400 It says, "Keep the TV volume low." 138 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,560 "You can play the Super Mario games 139 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,920 and you can play some DVDs." 140 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,120 [interviewer] What was the purpose of those rules? 141 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,720 What were they supposed to achieve? 142 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,320 No comment. 143 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:28,600 Were they supposed to help maintain the secret that Shannon was at your flat? 144 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,000 No comment. 145 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,400 [Townsend] Donovan was interviewed at length about that, 146 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,360 but he wouldn't disclose any information at all. 147 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:40,440 [interviewer] You can see at the bottom in large letters are the initials "IPU." 148 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,760 What does that mean? 149 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,000 No comment. 150 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,760 It's despicable. It's absolutely a disgrace. 151 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,400 Hopes are high that Shannon will at some point be able to return home, 152 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,800 but it's unlikely to be anytime soon. 153 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,080 That process of gently interviewing the nine-year-old has really just begun. 154 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,280 -[fireworks burst] -[cheering] 155 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,120 That night we decided to have this bonfire in the back of the community centre. 156 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,800 We had all kids throwing leaflets in. 157 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:18,520 [reporter] These are not needed anymore and Shannon's friends are celebrating. 158 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,800 [kids] Shannon! Shannon! 159 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,160 [Bushby] We had karaoke. We had discos. 160 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,360 We had fireworks. 161 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:30,400 It were one hell of a community celebration. 162 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,760 We all went from being all these sad, depressed people 163 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:39,560 to being over the moon, happy, crying because she'd been found. 164 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:43,400 It meant everything. 165 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,480 Like, no parent wants to ever think that the child's not going to come home. 166 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,360 I bet you could have filled the air with the amount of sighs. 167 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,720 You know, the heavy sighs. Thank God… 168 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,360 the nightmare was over. 169 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,200 [kids shouting, cheering] 170 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,000 [Freeman] On the day that Shannon was found, 171 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,680 the house at Dewsbury Moor was just inundated, 172 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,400 surrounded by people from the press. 173 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,960 And so we felt it safer to take Karen and Craig to a hotel. 174 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,720 I remember sitting in the hotel with them, 175 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,960 watching a party going on on Dewsbury Moor Estate. 176 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,600 All the neighbours celebrating. 177 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,080 But in actual fact, the atmosphere between Karen and Craig 178 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,320 was one of a very low… 179 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,720 Erm, not what you'd expect at all 180 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,120 when you know my daughter's been found safe and well. 181 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,160 [Bushby] That night, it was about, "That child had been found." 182 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:53,920 It was the following morning that the questions were asked. 183 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,560 [Jamieson] We knew that there'd be a police investigation. 184 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,000 Why she was where she was, 185 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,360 where they took her from, why he took her…. 186 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,160 So we knew it wouldn't be the end of it. 187 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:14,960 But what came next, we didn't-- 188 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,040 I personally, didn't expect. 189 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,000 [Bushby] People started coming out of their houses 190 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,640 and started talking amongst themselves. 191 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,200 [Jamieson] When I heard that news that Shannon had been found 192 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,960 in Michael Donovan's house, 193 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,560 my first initial reaction was… 194 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,640 who's Michael Donovan? 195 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,280 And why would he hide a child under the bed? 196 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,640 [Bushby] I didn't know who Michael Donovan was until they actually told me. 197 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,000 Michael Donovan was Craig Meehan's uncle. 198 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,640 Craig Meehan's uncle. 199 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,040 It seemed deeply weird for various reasons. 200 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,160 Why on earth is she with Craig's uncle? 201 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,960 How well known was the uncle to the family? 202 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,600 How did Shannon come to be in his flat? 203 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,000 [Bushby] I think there was a lot of confusion around the estate 204 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,520 and the fact that she'd been found at a family member's, 205 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,640 but why had it taken them so long to find her at a family members? 206 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,720 [Jamieson] Initially, when I found out that he was family, 207 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:32,840 I just thought it was strange. 208 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:40,640 Why didn't he phone Karen and Craig and tell them that she was at his house, 209 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,640 You know, how come this family member suddenly just popped up? 210 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,960 [Edwards] Very early on in the search, we'd been shown a Matthews family tree. 211 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,480 There was spirals going off all over the place 212 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:55,880 and all sorts of different names. 213 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,200 And when I thought about the number of names that were on that list, 214 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,800 it made perfect sense for them to take a bit of time 215 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,120 to get to Michael Donovan. 216 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,880 [Jamieson] I've never met Michael Donovan, 217 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,000 but someone described his car 218 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,240 and I can remember it once being on the estate. 219 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,480 But that was weeks and weeks prior to Shannon going missing. 220 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,760 [Edwards] And then you start to think, well, hang on a minute. 221 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,440 Given that she was so close to the Moorside Estate 222 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,200 and the Matthews family home, 223 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,720 it seems improbable that the only person 224 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,920 that knew she was in there was Mick Donovan. 225 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,000 When Donovan was arrested, he implicated Karen 226 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,760 and it was captured on CCTV. 227 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,640 [officer] Is there anything you want to say? 228 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,960 [Donovan] Yes, go and arrest Karen. 229 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,520 [officer] Yes, go and arrest Karen. 230 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:51,160 Donovan straight away said that Karen's pre-planned the abduction. 231 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,720 [officer] When you were arrested in the back of the van, 232 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,040 you made some comments to me after you were cautioned. 233 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,080 You've said get Karen down here. 234 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,200 We've got a plan. 235 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,480 We'll share the money. £50,000. 236 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,960 And after his disclosure that he made, 237 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,440 saying that Karen was involved in it, 238 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:12,320 Karen was later interviewed and she looked a bit shocked. 239 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:17,240 [interviewer] He says that you asked him to look after Shannon 240 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,680 and that there'd be some money in it for him. 241 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:20,840 No, I didn't. 242 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:23,560 That's a lie is that. 243 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,240 I've never let him go nowhere near my kids on his own. 244 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:33,200 He says that you were supposed to take Shannon back to his house. 245 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,520 He's trying to get himself out of it. 246 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,280 He's not going to get out of it because it's a load of lies. 247 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,720 During that interview, Karen totally denied 248 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,360 any involvement with Mick Donovan. 249 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,360 I'd even asked her if she was having an affair with him, 250 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,640 if there were a relationship going on, 251 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,960 and she sort of laughed at me and said, "Don't be daft." 252 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,360 He's saying that you were going to report her missing 253 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,800 when all the time she was going to be at his flat? 254 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,520 I didn't even know where his flat were. 255 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,200 [Gasson] Michael Donovan had a very imaginative mind, 256 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,360 for want of a better phrase. 257 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,480 He'd already changed his name from Paul Drake to Mike Donovan, 258 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,840 who was a sci-fi hero back in the '80s, a fictional character. 259 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,120 So there was that likelihood that he was making this up 260 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,240 in his imaginative world. 261 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,880 [interviewer] "She said I was to keep Shannon 262 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,000 and look after her and she, Karen, would report her missing. 263 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,160 I said, I wasn't happy about this 264 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,440 and she then threatened if I didn't do it, to get three lads onto me. 265 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,480 And I was frightened that if I didn't do it, 266 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,200 they would come after me." 267 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:50,600 [shutters clicking] 268 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,680 [Gregg] There were suspicions around Karen, 269 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,880 but suspicion is one thing. 270 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,480 Hard evidence is another. 271 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,400 [Freeman] Donovan's claims had to be investigated. 272 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,560 We did CCTV, neighbour investigations. 273 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,680 All sorts of enquiries went into checking Donovan's story 274 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:15,640 and we couldn't find anyone that could support his account. 275 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,600 We knew something wasn't right. 276 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,240 [reporter] Karen Matthews and her boyfriend Craig 277 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,280 are trying to get back to some kind of normality. 278 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,440 Today, friends brought shopping. 279 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,360 They say Karen fully understands 280 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,040 that police need to keep speaking to Shannon. 281 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,840 [Gasson] One of the first things we had to do 282 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,440 from an investigation point of view, 283 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,760 was to have a formal identification with, of course, Karen. 284 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,880 [Freeman] So I was sat with Shannon in one room 285 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,560 and Karen was outside looking through. 286 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,960 And Karen said, "Yeah, that's Shannon." 287 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,600 And that was it. No emotion. 288 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,440 This is a mother who's seen her daughter 289 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,080 that's been missing for over three weeks for the first time. 290 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:07,760 [Freeman] She never asked where she'd been found. 291 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,560 She never asked how she was. 292 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,040 She showed no inkling of wanting to hug her, 293 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:13,320 to speak to her. 294 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,760 [Freeman] As a detective, I did find it strange. 295 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,000 But as a mum, I found it absolutely appalling. 296 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,720 [Gregg] The SIO was receiving a lot of information 297 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,880 from the family liaison team. 298 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,720 Karen was behaving what could be described as unusually 299 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:38,640 to what would ordinarily be expected from her mother in these circumstances. 300 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:44,080 But is this the way that she would usually behave, 301 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,840 or is it suspicious? 302 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:47,960 Is she involved? 303 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:51,120 Tonight, ITV News has learnt 304 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,520 that whilst Karen has seen her little girl, 305 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,560 she hasn't spoken to Shannon or been able to give her a cuddle. 306 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:02,600 They will be properly reunited in the days to come. 307 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:05,080 Imagine what that will be like. 308 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,840 [Bushby] After Shannon were found, we'd arranged this day out 309 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,040 for all families on the estate to two museums. 310 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,560 Just trying to relax the kids. 311 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:23,640 Karen came to my house. 312 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,600 I was making the sandwiches for the day trip, 313 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,800 she went, "They're arresting Craig, they're arresting Craig. 314 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,880 And I went, "What are they arresting Craig for?" 315 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:37,760 As part of the search for evidence about what had happened to Shannon, 316 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,120 the Matthews family computer was seized 317 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,920 and as is standard was forensically examined by the police. 318 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,960 [reporter] Computers were seized from the family home 319 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,440 to see if they held any clues. 320 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,560 And on there, they found images of child abuse. 321 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:57,960 They're saying he's a paedophile. 322 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,520 And I just went, "What?" 323 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:12,720 So while there were live criminal proceedings against Michael Donovan, 324 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,400 Craig Meehan's uncle, 325 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:19,160 entirely separate proceedings began against Craig. 326 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,160 But were they well and truly connected 327 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,080 with the disappearance of Shannon Matthews? 328 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:27,760 [Jamieson] For this now to come out, 329 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,160 makes everybody feel sick and confused, 330 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,040 because everyone will have questions that need to be answered. 331 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,600 [Bushby] When you're given news like that, 332 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,360 you sort of like, what else can be thrown at us? 333 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,520 What else is going to come of all this? 334 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,360 [Edwards] And that did cause a level of anger 335 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,680 amongst the people on the estate. 336 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:52,960 [reporter] How is Karen today? How is she bearing up having to deal 337 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,440 with the real mix of emotions? 338 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,320 [Bushby] Totally peeved off. At the end of the day, 339 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:57,880 Craig isn't coming back to the house. 340 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,360 She's totally done with him. Her children come first. 341 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,040 She was totally unaware of what was going on. 342 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,480 [reporter] The couple's neighbours have always stood by them 343 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,080 against any accusations. 344 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,600 Now there's a sense of disbelief here at Craig Meehan's arrest. 345 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,920 Police officers have stood guard outside the family home in case of any reaction. 346 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:21,920 [Jamieson] People was angry, 347 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,120 and there were a few people who had suspicion 348 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,280 that Karen knew more than she was letting on. 349 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,320 She'd do something that… 350 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:37,280 You wouldn't act that way if you didn't know anything about it. 351 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,480 [Freeman] I'd spent the whole day with Karen 352 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,440 after Craig had been arrested. 353 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,600 We'd actually been to ASDA, 354 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,280 where she looked at the Sunday newspapers, 355 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,160 and there was a big picture of her on the front page, 356 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,240 and she held it up so all the shoppers could see 357 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,880 the picture of her and her herself. 358 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,400 It was as if she was enjoying the publicity. 359 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,280 It was as if she thought she were a celebrity. 360 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,600 [Jamieson] Me and Karen went into a little fish and chip shop, 361 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,520 and she got a fish and chips for the family. 362 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,680 Person behind the counter said, "They're on us. 363 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,200 We're really sorry about what's going on with your daughter." 364 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,600 And she looked at me and just said, 365 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,680 "Should get rid of one of my kids more often." 366 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,600 And at the time, I would just-- I slapped her on the side of the arm. 367 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,200 Said, "Why would you say that?" 368 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,920 One minute, she'd be laughing and joking, next minute, she'd just go quiet. 369 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,560 And so she were quite hard to read. 370 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,400 There were times when you think, "What you doing?" 371 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,760 Bit by bit, amateur detective style, 372 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,520 people on the estate piece this together, 373 00:21:54,600 --> 00:22:01,080 and Julie Bushby and Natalie Brown in particular, had real deep concerns 374 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,400 and so wanted to put some of those concerns directly to Karen. 375 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,000 [Bushby] Natalie said to me, she says, "There's more to this." 376 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,480 So I said to her, I says, "Right, I'll arrange a meeting with Karen." 377 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,160 So the following morning, I rung Karen, 378 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,680 and I says to her, I says, "Natalie wants to meet up." 379 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:25,920 "No, I don't want to." 380 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,720 I says, "I'm asking you to meet up with her 381 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,040 because all this wants nipping in the bud now." 382 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,760 I arranged with her to meet in Batley town centre 383 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,040 and I thought, "I better ring Christine." 384 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,400 Both Julie and Natalie had decided they would like to speak to Karen, 385 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,040 so we arranged to meet. 386 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,080 [Bushby] And they parked up in the town centre. 387 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:52,960 Karen was sat in front. 388 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,640 Me and Natalie sat in back. 389 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,000 [Freeman] I think it was Natalie that opened up with Karen. 390 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,080 You know, "We know something's not right. 391 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:01,800 We're your friends. 392 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,840 We will support you no matter what. 393 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,280 But you need to be truthful." 394 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,520 [Bushby] Natalie put it to her that she had some bags packed, 395 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,560 and Karen kept saying, "No, no, no," she said, "You did. I saw them." 396 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,000 And that's when Karen took the biggest intake of breath I've ever known. 397 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,960 And said, "Yeah, you're right." 398 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,720 "Yeah, you're right. I was leaving Craig. 399 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,520 I asked Donovan to take Shannon," 400 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,440 because a taxi will only take four, 401 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,680 and she had four kids. 402 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,880 [Freeman] She'd arranged for Shannon to be picked up by Mick Donovan, 403 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,720 and she was going to go home and collect the other children 404 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:51,160 and go to Mick Donovan's house and stay there. 405 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,200 When she got home, there was Craig and his cousin, 406 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,960 and she just wasn't able to say the words, "I'm going to leave you." 407 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,080 Which means the plans went tits up. 408 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,800 And so she put up this pretence that Shannon was missing. 409 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,160 Shannon, if you're out there, please, darling, come home. 410 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,400 We love you so much. 411 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,520 [Freeman] And then it just got bigger and bigger. 412 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,400 It snowballed out of hand. 413 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,480 For a few seconds, we were all speechless. 414 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:25,920 Then I arrested her. 415 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,360 [Bushby] Karen was sobbing, 416 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,160 but I suppose for her, it was relief that she'd actually come out with that. 417 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:42,200 None of us expected to be arresting Karen for kidnapping her own daughter. 418 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,160 It's just something that didn't feature in my thoughts. 419 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,600 [Bushby] We all got taken down to the police station 420 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,760 because they interviewed us there and then, whilst it were all fresh. 421 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,920 I walked Karen down to where they took them into the cells. 422 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,040 I said to Karen, I'll always be-- 423 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,880 I said it all the way through that I'd always be her friend. 424 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,520 Nobody's going to fall out with you. 425 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,080 As they took her in, I turned my back. 426 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,960 I just didn't want to see that door close, I suppose. 427 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,960 It's game over then, it's game over for her. 428 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,840 It's game over for everything that had gone on. 429 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,720 That was it. That was the fi-- That door was the final… 430 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,880 Like the final curtain, if you like. 431 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,880 Tonight, another extraordinary twist in the investigation 432 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,040 into the disappearance of Shannon Matthews. 433 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:51,400 Nearly seven weeks after Shannon was allegedly abducted, 434 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,800 her mum, Karen Matthews, has been arrested. 435 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:02,440 That morning that I found out, it was from a news reporter. 436 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,280 And I just thought they were making it up. 437 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,520 She was my friend. 438 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,400 She's a mum. 439 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,040 She loved her kids. 440 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,840 Kids were well looked after. 441 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,960 Why would she kidnap one of her own? 442 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:24,240 Refused to believe it. Probably for my own sanity. 443 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,640 [Megan] I was absolutely traumatised. 444 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,240 It really, really got to me 445 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,680 because of the fact of how many times I'd been stood there with her, 446 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,800 crying my eyes out, saying that I wanted Shannon home. 447 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:45,400 If you know where she is, just call and tell us where she is. 448 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,760 And she stood there fully knowing exactly where Shannon is, who she's with, 449 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,000 and to take my best friend away from me 450 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,360 and act like, obviously, she doesn't know what's going on 451 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,080 whilst watching me hurt that whole time. 452 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,160 [Bushby] There was a lot of anger. 453 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:08,640 Everybody felt betrayed. 454 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,920 Everybody felt used and abused 455 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,280 because we were all taken for a ride. 456 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:19,040 It were everybody that went out searching, 457 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:20,400 that were taken for a ride, 458 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,120 it was everybody that was putting posters up, taken for a ride. 459 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,200 [Townsend] She misled her whole community, 460 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,960 her friends and family, the press, the nation, 461 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,040 effectively, for 23 days. 462 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,720 [Jamieson] She wasn't allowed back on the estate by the police. 463 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,160 So I never got to speak to Karen. 464 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,400 Did I want to strangle her for doing it? 465 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,240 Did I want to punch her? Hug her? 466 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,720 All of the above. 467 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,440 The children… 468 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,320 What mum could do that to their own child? 469 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,600 [Edwards] For those that would have done the estate down, 470 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:10,440 the arrest of Karen took it to a whole different sinister level. 471 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,360 And after that, the tone of the coverage definitely shifted. 472 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:21,320 [Vine] Talking about the Shannon case, no wonder many children are at risk today 473 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,160 because of the breakdown of solid family structures. 474 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,520 [reporter] Just for the record, is this a decent place to live 475 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,400 where there are decent people living, or is this a sink estate? 476 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,800 [Gregg] We saw a change where the Dewsbury Moor area 477 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,280 was being derided in the media, 478 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,000 and the people were being derided. 479 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,520 [Vine] When I went to Dewsbury to report on this story, 480 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,640 I remember thinking, this is the classic underclass place 481 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,600 and I hate to use the word, but it's the word that politicians used. 482 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,360 Where you had an endemic welfare culture 483 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,920 and in the minds of a lot of people watching this case, 484 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,080 was that terrible thought 485 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,160 that this is a family to whom bad things happen, 486 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,360 because they're not very good people. 487 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,520 [Warsi] It was seen as an example of what happens in these communities 488 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,320 where families are not working. 489 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,320 Families are neglectful. They're not looking after their children. 490 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,440 There is deep sense of irresponsibility. 491 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,440 The then leader of the opposition, David Cameron, 492 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,240 described what was going on on Dewsbury Moor 493 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,520 as an example of Broken Britain. 494 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,960 He condemned the Dewsbury Estate, where the Matthews lived, 495 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,560 as a place where decency fights a losing battle 496 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,800 against degradation and despair. 497 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,360 But the residents beg to differ. 498 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,320 He's judging us by what is read, he's not judged us by what is seen. 499 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,640 [reporter] So he's got to come and have a cup of tea with you guys? 500 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,920 Not just a cup of tea. 501 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,720 Come round and have a look round the estate. 502 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,920 People were judgemental, not just on Karen, it was the full estate. 503 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,920 Anybody and anybody. 504 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,680 If they could target 'em, they'd target 'em. 505 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,680 As a community, I think it got us hackles up. 506 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,320 I mean, maybe they didn't understand the way we lived. 507 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,520 Maybe they were trying to get their heads around it, I don't know. 508 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,640 We are who we are. We can't change anything. 509 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,800 [Edwards] A story was printed in one of the national newspapers, 510 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,640 a national tabloid newspaper, 511 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,000 and it was based on a throwaway comment 512 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,200 about Dewsbury Moor being like Beirut, which is absolutely ridiculous. 513 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,240 Well, you know what papers are like, some of them anyway. 514 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,080 They write what they want to write, don't they? 515 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,480 And it's the story for them. 516 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,560 It's going to sell the papers, innit? 517 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,120 There was this class issue that was bubbling underneath 518 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,480 because there was an element of, 519 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,600 let's observe these people who are not like us, 520 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,400 but actually they're entertainment to watch. 521 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,560 And look how they dressed. 522 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,040 Wow, they're still in their pyjamas at two o'clock in the afternoon 523 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,680 and they're smoking and look at what their homes look like, 524 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,080 and look at what the estate looks like. 525 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,360 So there was an element of, yes, sneery judgement. 526 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,760 [Gregg] I did feel that certain lines were crossed. 527 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,360 What wasn't captured was the true grit and spirit 528 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,960 of people who were so concerned and upset by this. 529 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,080 [Lee] I was actually on a day off, my first day off in a month 530 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,240 and got a phone call asking whether would I come and interview Karen. 531 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,640 [Freeman] I was with the detective chief superintendent 532 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,040 watching a video link in a remote room. 533 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,320 [Lee] When I walked into the interview room, 534 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,240 Karen was sat against the wall 535 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,640 and she looked like she was a beaten lady. 536 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,880 [Freeman] Karen came up with so many different accounts 537 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,400 of what had happened that were different 538 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,680 to what she actually said when we were sat in my car 539 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,320 when she made her confession. 540 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,280 She claimed Craig and his mum engineered the whole thing. 541 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,440 She claimed not to know anything about it, 542 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,960 that she didn't have a clue where Shannon was. 543 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,240 She claimed that she didn't know Mick Donovan. 544 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,200 There were so many different versions you really could not make out 545 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,200 which was the actual truth. 546 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,160 We're not going down another change of story again. 547 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,200 -No, I'm not changing it. -Right. 548 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,200 Well, yesterday and today, earlier on 549 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,640 you've said you met Mick Donovan the day before 550 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,320 and you've arranged for him to pick up Shannon from school. 551 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:40,800 Haven't you? 552 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,400 She did a few silences, 553 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,960 a few pauses, and then basically thought… 554 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,040 You could see it in her demeanour that… "I'm going to have to tell 'em." 555 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,400 -Pardon? Yeah. -[mumbles] 556 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:58,680 Well, let's get this straight. 557 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,960 I'm not gonna have any more of these stories again. That is a fact. 558 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,720 -[solicitor] Is that right? You asked him? -Yeah. 559 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,120 Asked him to look after her. Now are you sure of that? 560 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,040 -[Matthews] Yeah. -Right, thank you. 561 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,920 Even the solicitor asked her a question to clarify what she was saying. 562 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,360 -It were a case of that I needed help. -Right. 563 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,440 I just didn't know how to tell Craig 564 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,560 so I just asked a family member the way to do it. 565 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,440 Karen seemed to squirm. 566 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,960 She seemed to try to wriggle out of it, and there was just nowhere for her to go. 567 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,360 [Lee] After a while, she did admit to knowing Shannon was with Donovan. 568 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,760 [solicitor] And what happened then? 569 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,760 It just went all pear-shaped. 570 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,760 It didn't go to plan the way I wanted it to go to plan. 571 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,720 What is your plan? How did you want it to go to plan? 572 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,640 Me to tell Craig it were over and to leave him. 573 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,360 [Lee] Originally, did it start of with… 574 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,000 Mick were gonna take Shannon 'cause you were having domestics with Craig, 575 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,640 and then when the police and press took over, 576 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,480 you realised you could make some money out of this? 577 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,280 No. I didn't want no money. 578 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,560 But that's what Mick's telling us that you've done. 579 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,640 Well, I didn't want no money. 580 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,560 [Freeman] But she totally denied it was about the reward money 581 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,600 or that anyone else was involved. 582 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,520 Tonight, to the trial of the mother of Shannon Matthews, 583 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,560 who was reported missing from her home on Dewsbury Moor 584 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,240 for 24 days earlier this year. 585 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,640 Also in the dock with her is Michael Donovan, 586 00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:34,840 the uncle of Karen's former partner Craig Meehan. 587 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:41,240 [Jamieson] At the trial, I still didn't want to believe 588 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,760 that Karen had anything to do with it. 589 00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:49,120 And even though she admitted it in the car, 590 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,480 I wanted to see if Karen would sit there and admit it in court. 591 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,200 [Edwards] She chose to plead not guilty. 592 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,560 And throughout the trial, 593 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,280 Karen just continued to deny everything and she stuck to the line. 594 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,920 Well, her own lawyer admitted to the court 595 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,440 that Karen Matthews has given varying accounts of herself, 596 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,640 but she said rather than being manipulative, 597 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,400 she described her as sometimes rather stupid. 598 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,320 [Jamieson] At the end, she still couldn't even be honest. 599 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,560 She lied and lied and lied and lied. 600 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,040 And I don't know if that was because she thought she'd get away with it. 601 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,680 Who knows? 602 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,080 [Edwards] When the trial was on, Andy Brennan, 603 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,360 the senior investigating officer in the case, gave his evidence. 604 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,600 It was about as dark as it got. 605 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:45,720 [Gregg] We found out that the timing of finding Shannon was critical. 606 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:53,520 Donovan was cleaning all evidence in the house and his vehicle 607 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,840 to make sure that there was nothing left that could link him to Shannon. 608 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,360 I think he felt the net was tightening around him 609 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,240 and he had to get rid of Shannon. 610 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,560 If we hadn't got to Shannon when we did, even another day late, 611 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,400 it could have had a different outcome. 612 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,880 She kidnapped her own daughter and lied about it. 613 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,640 Karen Matthews is guilty. 614 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:24,200 What a dramatic conclusion to this extraordinary story. 615 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,280 Michael Donovan and Karen Matthews showed no emotion in the dock today, 616 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:33,440 as it became clear that the jury here had seen through their lies, at last. 617 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,840 [Edwards] Karen Matthews and Michael Donovan 618 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,240 were convicted of kidnap, false imprisonment 619 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,280 and perverting the course of justice. 620 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,160 Both convicted unanimously. 621 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,520 Both sentenced to eight years in prison. 622 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,040 It's difficult to understand what type of mother 623 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,200 would subject her own daughter to such a wicked and evil crime. 624 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,120 Karen Matthews is a manipulative individual 625 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,280 who has demonstrated a remarkable ability to lie. 626 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,920 [Vine] You have the court case 627 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,920 and then the angry coverage proper begins after conviction 628 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,200 where everyone just said that woman is awful. 629 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,480 She ought to have been hung. 630 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,000 Honestly, I agree totally. 631 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,680 She's a total liar. Waste of space. 632 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,400 Look how she lied on the television and stood outside our house crying. 633 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,640 People have been taken in, or… 634 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:24,640 They just feel that their generosity has been taken advantage of. 635 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,480 And there's nothing that makes people more angry. 636 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,640 She's a bad mother. 637 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,120 She's not normal, is she? She's not all there. 638 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,480 [reporter] Tonight, Karen Matthews' house was boarded up. 639 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,600 It's a shame when, with all that coming off, 640 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,800 it ties everybody, doesn't it, with the same thing. 641 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,720 [Vine] It screwed down these stereotypes 642 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:55,960 that people who live disorderly lives tend to have bad things happen to them. 643 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,560 It blows your mind, this. 644 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,440 You're trying to get people to understand 645 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,240 that being on welfare does not mean you're a bad person. 646 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,400 And then the most famous person on welfare in the country 647 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,120 is a very bad person indeed. 648 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,840 We all challenged our own preconceptions with Karen, 649 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,840 and she reinforced every single one. 650 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:24,520 And that's the tragedy of it. 651 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,680 Now, the Shannon Matthews investigation 652 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,560 has put the town of Dewsbury firmly in the spotlight 653 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,080 with the kind of headlines of course, it just doesn't want. 654 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,800 [Warsi] I think Dewsbury has sadly forever become associated with this case. 655 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,360 And there was a lot of judgement. 656 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,640 And when the media circus moved on, 657 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,760 moved on, saying where you are to blame 658 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,000 rather than how have we all failed 659 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:56,000 that we think this is what we end up seeing in 2008, in Dewsbury. 660 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,600 [Edwards] I've thought long and hard about what Karen's motivation might have been, 661 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,960 and I just cannot ever come to any firm conclusion in my head. 662 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:13,000 There had been all sorts of chat and chitchat about reward money, 663 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,640 that it was a plot to extract money 664 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,680 from a national newspaper in return for information 665 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,680 that would lead to the arrest and conviction 666 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,480 of the person responsible for the disappearance of Shannon Matthews. 667 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,960 [Megan] What did she do it for? 668 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,360 Was it the attention? 669 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,000 Was it the money or what? 670 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,760 I'll never get the answers to it. 671 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,280 I've always wanted to know what was running through her head 672 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,600 to even plan something like that. 673 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,680 [Jamieson] Did Karen know that Craig had all those images on his computer? 674 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,840 Maybe she did. Maybe that's the reason she did what she did. 675 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,000 To get Shannon away from him. 676 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,040 [Edwards] It's completely baffling. 677 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,920 She chose to keep her mouth shut about what may or may not have gone on 678 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,680 to carry the can, mostly herself, 679 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,000 but with Michael Donovan taking his share of the blame. 680 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,520 [interviewer] Did you believe her? 681 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:21,720 No. 682 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,120 [interviewer] Why not? 683 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:26,520 Because it still didn't make sense. 684 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,760 There's a hell of a lot more to that story. 685 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,080 In my head, there is. 686 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,520 Even the judge turned around and said, there's more people involved in this. 687 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,160 Which is what I've said all along. 688 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,760 It wasn't just Karen on her own that came up with this scheme. 689 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,920 Will we ever get the truth from Karen? 690 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,280 I don't think we ever will. 691 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,360 [Warsi] We can't predict what was going through Karen's mind 692 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,040 at the time that she planned this, 693 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,200 but you can see that this was a woman 694 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,880 who felt that nobody really cared for her. 695 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,040 She didn't have any attention or any worth. 696 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,680 And then suddenly, this case made her important, 697 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,040 and it gave her attention. 698 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,600 And suddenly everybody was focussed on her and her well-being. 699 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,400 And they were supportive rather than judgemental. 700 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,280 And they wanted to be there by her side rather than to dismiss her. 701 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,600 So I do think in many ways, 702 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,480 this whole thing was a huge cry for attention. 703 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,000 [Vine] But in the end, she has to stand or fall on her own merits, 704 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,640 crimes, failures. 705 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:42,680 And she doesn't represent her street. 706 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,320 She doesn't represent her community or Dewsbury. 707 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,080 She was a standalone. 708 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,080 [Bushby] As a community, I don't think anybody 709 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,960 should feel ashamed for what we did. 710 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,800 People slate us, people are proud of us. 711 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,360 It's their choice. They weren't here. 712 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,000 They didn't live through the reality. 713 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,520 The only thing that I am proud of is how the community came together. 714 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,720 And that we've come out the other side stronger. 715 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,960 [Townsend] I'm proud of being a part of a team 716 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,080 that was highly professional 717 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,160 in the way that they conducted that investigation. 718 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,320 I'm proud of the outcome. 719 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:29,360 The thought, what would have happened 720 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,520 had we not pursued that line of enquiry on that particular morning? 721 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,680 We were heroes for a day, but we would have been chumps for eternity 722 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,080 if we'd have walked away. 723 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,440 [Jamieson] Shannon will be 27. 724 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,240 Her oldest will now be in his 30s. 725 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,720 I'd hate to think that what happened 17 years ago 726 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,480 will affect the rest of their life. 727 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,760 As much as it hurt everybody that was involved, 728 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,160 I just hope they're brilliant young adults 729 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:07,160 and I hope that they have a happy life. 730 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,560 [Bushby] It should have been a family brought together and it wasn't. 731 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,400 It was a family torn apart. 732 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:21,440 I hope and pray that there is never another story like this one. 59707

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