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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,019 --> 00:00:06,520 Introducing first, Mark Magnus. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,560 In the early 2000s, Mark Coppani was a young wrestler with a dream. 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,500 When I got the phone call that I was going to be for the WWE, I knew it was 4 00:00:16,500 --> 00:00:19,560 going to be special. You see, I'm the future of wrestling. 5 00:00:20,420 --> 00:00:24,040 But when they pitched me the idea, I was very nervous. 6 00:00:24,460 --> 00:00:28,720 You're looking at the great Muhammad Hassan. 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:32,920 What? 8 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:37,320 I said, but he's Italian from Syracuse. Well, for us, he's going to be a Middle 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:42,880 Easterner. But Coppani's path to stardom proved extremely controversial as WWE 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,140 cast him as a shocking new villain. We are three years removed from 9 -11. 11 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,160 And it's still a fresh wound. 12 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:53,300 There was so much discrimination going on, so it was just instant heat. 13 00:00:53,660 --> 00:00:55,280 We're labeled terrorists! 14 00:00:55,980 --> 00:00:57,430 Terrorists! I'm a terrorist. 15 00:00:57,670 --> 00:01:00,350 He was stoking a lot of prejudices. 16 00:01:00,690 --> 00:01:04,510 America does not wish goodwill towards all men. 17 00:01:04,810 --> 00:01:08,790 Mohammed Hassan, what he was saying wasn't silly. What he was saying was 18 00:01:09,190 --> 00:01:13,230 And no one wants to hear that they're wrong. Those people wanted to kill him. 19 00:01:13,390 --> 00:01:17,890 But it takes on an entirely different level once the London bombing occurs. 20 00:01:18,290 --> 00:01:22,390 A series of terrorist attacks in the capital this morning. That's when things 21 00:01:22,390 --> 00:01:23,610 started to go downhill. 22 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,580 It was a ride straight to the top that ended in sudden disaster. 23 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,320 The character started to become more radicalized. 24 00:01:32,020 --> 00:01:35,360 And suddenly he had a crew of terrorist henchmen. 25 00:01:36,020 --> 00:01:37,900 That's what blew everything up. 26 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:43,020 They underestimated the amount of scrutiny it was going to receive. 27 00:01:43,580 --> 00:01:48,960 The network was saying, we're not going to air SmackDown if this character is 28 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:49,960 not written off. 29 00:01:50,300 --> 00:01:52,500 Instead of it being a footnote in his career. 30 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,060 It became the last chapter. 31 00:01:54,580 --> 00:01:57,740 Everything that I had worked for was just gone. 32 00:01:57,980 --> 00:01:58,980 It was that quick. 33 00:01:59,340 --> 00:02:03,640 The rise, the fall, and then the rebirth. 34 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:20,250 Following WWE's unparalleled success in the late 1990s, In the early 2000s, the 35 00:02:20,250 --> 00:02:23,270 company struggled to find a footing in a new era. 36 00:02:23,490 --> 00:02:28,730 The WWE was in a transition period. They had lost Stone Cold Steve Austin to 37 00:02:28,730 --> 00:02:32,170 injury and retirement. They'd lost The Rock to the movies. 38 00:02:32,410 --> 00:02:36,110 And they were trying to find their next major superstars. 39 00:02:39,910 --> 00:02:44,410 Ohio Valley Wrestling was a local wrestling promotion and training center 40 00:02:44,410 --> 00:02:48,790 in Louisville, Kentucky to serve as a developmental or a training program for 41 00:02:48,790 --> 00:02:54,050 aspiring WWE wrestlers. That's the trajectory that Brock Lesnar had taken 42 00:02:54,050 --> 00:02:56,350 John Cena and Randy Orton and Batista. 43 00:02:57,170 --> 00:03:03,470 If you had the athletic background, the size, the personality, we could show you 44 00:03:03,470 --> 00:03:05,270 how to be a successful pro wrestler. 45 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,860 I'm Jim Cornette, and I was one of the trainers of the wrestler that would come 46 00:03:09,860 --> 00:03:11,720 to be known as Muhammad Hassan. 47 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:18,900 When Mark Capani came in, he's 21 years old. He was in good shape. He had good 48 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:21,960 looks. And you could see that he had a great amount of potential. 49 00:03:23,380 --> 00:03:28,820 I was always athletic, and I always played sports. So wrestling kind of 50 00:03:28,820 --> 00:03:29,980 all of that for me. 51 00:03:30,580 --> 00:03:34,220 Feast your eyes and fantasize on this year's model. 52 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,400 Mark's character was, like, smug, arrogant. 53 00:03:39,900 --> 00:03:42,200 I'm better than you in every category at that thing. 54 00:03:42,420 --> 00:03:46,940 My name's Chris Mordetzky, but you probably know me better as Chris Masters 55 00:03:46,940 --> 00:03:52,120 Masterpiece. Mark was the OVW champion at one point. 56 00:03:53,700 --> 00:03:58,060 Jim Cornette booked Mark in a way that would help give him an opportunity to 57 00:03:58,060 --> 00:03:59,060 signed in WWE. 58 00:03:59,930 --> 00:04:06,110 In two years, he had gone from the lowest guy on the totem pole to a main 59 00:04:06,110 --> 00:04:07,250 wrestler in OVW. 60 00:04:08,510 --> 00:04:15,330 And all of a sudden, I get a call from the WWE office saying they wanted to 61 00:04:15,330 --> 00:04:16,330 him an Arab. 62 00:04:16,950 --> 00:04:21,290 I said, but he's Italian from Syracuse. 63 00:04:21,610 --> 00:04:23,290 How is this going to work? 64 00:04:23,910 --> 00:04:26,390 Jim Cornette told me what they were looking for. 65 00:04:27,150 --> 00:04:29,250 Didn't really know how I felt about it at the time. 66 00:04:29,890 --> 00:04:34,730 But this is a big opportunity, and not many people have a character that's 67 00:04:34,730 --> 00:04:38,310 handed to them. So there was no doubt about it, I was going to do the 68 00:04:39,410 --> 00:04:44,410 My name's Mark Apani, and in 2004 and 2005, I played the character Muhammad 69 00:04:44,410 --> 00:04:45,450 Hassan on WWE. 70 00:04:46,470 --> 00:04:49,470 Mark was very dark -complected. He has the dark hair. 71 00:04:49,730 --> 00:04:53,770 He could look like a stereotypical Arab villain in a movie. 72 00:04:54,170 --> 00:04:55,910 Oh yeah, Jimmy, it's going to be that good. 73 00:04:56,170 --> 00:04:58,590 So now Mark Magnus is no more. 74 00:04:59,150 --> 00:05:01,630 And instead, he is Muhammad Hassan. 75 00:05:02,050 --> 00:05:03,290 Praise Allah. 76 00:05:03,650 --> 00:05:09,270 When I told my family that I was going to be an Arab American, they definitely 77 00:05:09,270 --> 00:05:13,930 were trepidatious about the fact that I was going to be portraying another 78 00:05:13,930 --> 00:05:18,670 nationality, one in this country at the time, that was particularly not trusted 79 00:05:18,670 --> 00:05:19,670 and even hated. 80 00:05:26,250 --> 00:05:32,510 The character of Muhammad Hassan is a direct response to the horrific and 81 00:05:32,510 --> 00:05:34,550 events of just a few years earlier. 82 00:05:34,870 --> 00:05:38,930 We have a breaking news story to tell you about. Apparently, a plane has just 83 00:05:38,930 --> 00:05:42,010 crashed into the World Trade Center here in New York City. 84 00:05:42,690 --> 00:05:47,130 I remember I was walking home from class, and I hear people talking, and 85 00:05:47,130 --> 00:05:50,650 really processing what they're saying. But I get home. 86 00:05:51,210 --> 00:05:55,010 And I turn the TV on, and I see the devastation. 87 00:05:55,830 --> 00:05:59,710 And then it hit me. This wasn't an accident. This was an attack. 88 00:06:00,710 --> 00:06:03,750 At the time, no one knew what was going to happen. It was very uncertain. 89 00:06:04,590 --> 00:06:08,730 And I think one of the things that wrestling did for me is when they went 90 00:06:08,730 --> 00:06:11,790 air right after 9 -11, and the show must go on. 91 00:06:13,230 --> 00:06:17,010 We will not live our lives in fear. 92 00:06:19,210 --> 00:06:24,310 It was a defining moment that wrestling could have such a positive impact on me 93 00:06:24,310 --> 00:06:26,590 when I was feeling so negative. 94 00:06:26,810 --> 00:06:32,630 When I was scared, when I didn't know what was going to happen, I put 95 00:06:32,630 --> 00:06:35,610 on, and for those few hours, it didn't matter. 96 00:06:38,770 --> 00:06:45,590 The WWE was really rallying behind this patriotism, and that would embed the 97 00:06:45,590 --> 00:06:47,050 country coming out of 9 -11. 98 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,160 and inevitably was going to seep into its programming. 99 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:58,720 But Osama bin Laden, the exiled terrorist, is involved, if not totally 100 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,320 responsible for, this coordinated attack. 101 00:07:01,620 --> 00:07:06,000 Post -September 11th, there was so much discrimination going on. You couldn't 102 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,200 really escape it in the United States around that time. A lot of people would 103 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,400 think terrorist automatically. 104 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,700 We have four basic emotions, anger being one of them. Transform that into 105 00:07:15,700 --> 00:07:16,700 wrestling terms. 106 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,280 Open that wound every time you possibly can. 107 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,820 My name is Maven Huffman. I wrestled in the WWE alongside Muhammad Hassan. 108 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:30,960 In 2004, 9 -11 is still fresh on the minds of a lot of people. 109 00:07:31,380 --> 00:07:36,880 Once we saw Muhammad come out, we just were like, ugh, he's going to get heat. 110 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:42,820 We will spread the word of Allah to all you despicable infidels. The times we 111 00:07:42,820 --> 00:07:45,120 were in, we didn't need an arrogant. 112 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:50,800 Italian. We needed someone who could just garner the hatred of the fans. 113 00:07:52,420 --> 00:07:57,440 Along with the new Muhammad Hassan was going to be Sean Daivari. 114 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:03,600 Sean Daivari is an independent wrestler that came out of Chicago and was someone 115 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:09,080 that was assigned to be the second to Muhammad Hassan and was able to speak 116 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,080 Farsi. 117 00:08:13,090 --> 00:08:17,190 They called me up, if I'd like to offer you a job. I met Mark Magnus, who was 118 00:08:17,190 --> 00:08:19,870 Muhammad, and he told me that they were going to be like two Arabs. 119 00:08:20,470 --> 00:08:22,110 Praise Allah! 120 00:08:24,370 --> 00:08:27,190 Before being introduced to the WWE audience, 121 00:08:27,930 --> 00:08:31,690 Coppani and Daivari test out their new character in OVW. 122 00:08:32,789 --> 00:08:35,950 We started trying things out at house shows, and we didn't know the direction 123 00:08:35,950 --> 00:08:36,950 the character was going to take. 124 00:08:37,190 --> 00:08:39,370 This was a Vince McMahon idea. 125 00:08:40,059 --> 00:08:44,680 And whenever Vince McMahon had an idea, you knew it was going to go farther than 126 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:45,680 almost anything else. 127 00:08:46,020 --> 00:08:49,540 An illegal war is being waged on innocent people. 128 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,200 At one point, it was very stereotypical, like we're going to raise the price of 129 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,020 oil. We were going out there just trying different things to see how much heat 130 00:08:58,020 --> 00:08:59,060 we could generate from the crowd. 131 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,980 You are a traitor to my country! 132 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,960 I grew up in the era with the Hulk Hogan and Ricky Steamboat and Randy Savage. 133 00:09:07,790 --> 00:09:09,610 It was these larger -than -life characters. 134 00:09:10,010 --> 00:09:13,770 Wrestling has always skimmed the surface of political events in the modern 135 00:09:13,770 --> 00:09:14,770 world. 136 00:09:16,690 --> 00:09:20,370 Iron Sheik and Nikolai Volkov were cartoony with the accent. 137 00:09:20,930 --> 00:09:24,310 And I don't think Muhammad Hassan was any different when we started. 138 00:09:24,790 --> 00:09:28,850 It wasn't until we started filming the vignettes, and that's when the character 139 00:09:28,850 --> 00:09:29,850 took shape. 140 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:35,780 WWE decides to introduce the character through pre -recorded segments that will 141 00:09:35,780 --> 00:09:38,080 air in anticipation of his in -ring debut. 142 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,680 My name is Muhammad Hassan. 143 00:09:40,940 --> 00:09:45,780 Vignettes were a critical part of storytelling for WWE. 144 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:51,880 My name is Michael Leonardi. I am a former writer and producer for World 145 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:52,880 Wrestling Entertainment. 146 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:59,000 It was our opportunity to present to the world this new character. And it played 147 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,420 a huge role because it would really help them get off to a great start. 148 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,060 Don't confuse me with acts of terrorism here in America. 149 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:12,780 That's when it clicked for both Sean and I that this wasn't a foreign character. 150 00:10:12,860 --> 00:10:16,920 This was an American character of Muslim or Arab descent. 151 00:10:17,300 --> 00:10:19,580 9 -11 changed everything. 152 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,640 For me and my people. Who, rightfully so, is disgruntled. For Arab Americans, 153 00:10:25,980 --> 00:10:27,300 there is no equality. 154 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:32,880 And discouraged and angry about what has been going on with his family and his 155 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,460 community since 9 -11. 156 00:10:34,780 --> 00:10:38,020 But because we're of Arab descent, we are singled out. 157 00:10:38,300 --> 00:10:44,620 These were really set up to highlight situations in which his character would 158 00:10:44,620 --> 00:10:47,840 experience biases or prejudice. 159 00:10:48,430 --> 00:10:53,190 Muhammad Hassan is presented in the light that just because of my 160 00:10:53,190 --> 00:10:55,630 does not make me a terrorist. 161 00:10:55,850 --> 00:10:59,410 He was the antithesis of all of the stereotypes. 162 00:10:59,830 --> 00:11:04,630 But the day before Hassan's first appearance, controversy stoked. 163 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:09,720 On an episode of Sunday Night Heat, you had your broadcasters Todd Grisham and 164 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,340 Ivory teeing up Muhammad Hassan's debut. 165 00:11:12,620 --> 00:11:18,380 Also tomorrow night, Muhammad Hassan makes his debut in the ring on Raw. 166 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,020 I'm just asking, how are you going to get to Huntsville? 167 00:11:20,260 --> 00:11:20,899 I'm driving. 168 00:11:20,900 --> 00:11:26,100 Good, because I don't want you to be flying. And right there, the fact that 169 00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:27,100 we're going to make a... 170 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:32,100 flight joke, I think it kind of sets the tone for what the audience can expect. 171 00:11:32,420 --> 00:11:37,780 With expectations riding high, Mark Coppani prepares to make his entrance as 172 00:11:37,780 --> 00:11:38,800 Muhammad Hassan. 173 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,480 I finally debuted in Huntsville, Alabama with Mick Foley. 174 00:11:43,820 --> 00:11:44,820 I was nervous. 175 00:11:45,060 --> 00:11:46,640 I felt like I was going to throw up. 176 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,360 I remember we were really not 100 % sure how they're going to take this 177 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,520 character. It was very different. 178 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:56,380 of the line for us. Mick Foley's out there just giving a riveting promo about 179 00:11:56,380 --> 00:11:58,780 the war in Afghanistan and supporting our troops. 180 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,660 Supporting the troops goes way beyond any kind of political affiliation. 181 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,440 Now I come out. 182 00:12:06,340 --> 00:12:13,140 Man, as soon as that music 183 00:12:13,140 --> 00:12:16,700 hits and as soon as you step through that curtain, it's just, it's go time. 184 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:17,700 business. 185 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,580 And I interrupt Mick Follin and I am contradicting everything he says because 186 00:12:25,580 --> 00:12:26,580 this is my truth. 187 00:12:26,620 --> 00:12:30,220 It's people like us that are the real victims of this war. 188 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:36,540 None of you people are real patriots. And instantly you are telling the 189 00:12:36,540 --> 00:12:42,380 if there was any confusion from these vignettes, you are instructed to hate 190 00:12:42,380 --> 00:12:46,900 Mohammed Hassan. I am sick of hearing you express your admiration for these 191 00:12:46,900 --> 00:12:51,410 troops. These gutless cowards! Now you're pissing me off! 192 00:12:52,170 --> 00:12:57,790 Here was somebody very clearly being presented as a villain because he was 193 00:12:57,790 --> 00:12:59,110 attacking Americans. 194 00:12:59,470 --> 00:13:02,770 I don't think Vince McMahon was trying to tell a complex story. 195 00:13:03,110 --> 00:13:06,630 Arab -American, disgruntled, anti -American. 196 00:13:06,870 --> 00:13:11,690 Boo. Heal. He may even be justified in what he is saying, but he is anti 197 00:13:11,690 --> 00:13:16,110 -American. And I feel your patriotism. 198 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:17,600 At every airport. 199 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:24,200 And especially right now. It worked with the fans because they really did not 200 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,580 like somebody coming out and telling them that America didn't have all the 201 00:13:28,580 --> 00:13:29,580 answers. 202 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,780 When I came back from the curtain, I think a lot of people were very 203 00:13:33,340 --> 00:13:36,020 And I think a lot of people were very excited about the potential of this 204 00:13:36,020 --> 00:13:37,020 character. 205 00:13:37,420 --> 00:13:39,580 I knew right away they were going to push him to the moon. 206 00:13:39,980 --> 00:13:42,440 He's got the look, he's got the skill, he's got the knowledge. 207 00:13:43,370 --> 00:13:47,530 Hi, this is Gene Snitsky, and I used to work with Muhammad Hassan. 208 00:13:47,850 --> 00:13:51,830 I can't remember anybody getting that much heat since the Iron Sheik. 209 00:13:52,070 --> 00:13:53,890 The animosity of people. 210 00:13:54,170 --> 00:13:56,630 Like, they literally wanted to grab him and beat him. 211 00:13:56,870 --> 00:13:57,870 It's crazy. 212 00:13:58,110 --> 00:13:59,350 Over a wrestling character. 213 00:13:59,590 --> 00:14:04,590 He just had that aura about him to where people just didn't only hate him, they 214 00:14:04,590 --> 00:14:05,590 wanted to kill him. 215 00:14:11,180 --> 00:14:14,720 To all the men and women of the United States Armed Forces now in the Middle 216 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,880 East, the peace of a troubled world and the hopes of an oppressed people now 217 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:20,880 depend on you. 218 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,920 In 2004, our nation was engulfed in a war in the Middle East. 219 00:14:26,420 --> 00:14:28,920 We're putting shows on in Iraq. 220 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:35,500 The WWE has returned to Iraq to celebrate the holidays with each and 221 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:36,500 of you. 222 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,020 Patriotism is huge in every aspect of our lives. 223 00:14:40,620 --> 00:14:44,060 Add wrestling to it, it just amps up the volume tenfold. 224 00:14:45,700 --> 00:14:52,540 So then when they heard this guy who might look 225 00:14:52,540 --> 00:14:58,560 like one of the terrorists going out basically saying, I had nothing to do 226 00:14:58,560 --> 00:14:59,560 9 -11. 227 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:05,500 You don't really care what he's going to say. 228 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:12,120 New people have no idea what it's like to be me. They booed because it was 229 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,980 showing a mirror to the face of the American public and the hypocrisy and 230 00:15:15,980 --> 00:15:22,420 prejudice. America has literally ganged up on me and our Arab American brothers. 231 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,380 That had really been pushed forward against the Muslim people in this 232 00:15:27,380 --> 00:15:30,900 the time. And people don't like to be shown their own flaws. 233 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,140 Deep down inside your hearts. 234 00:15:34,030 --> 00:15:37,950 Every single one of you is prejudiced. 235 00:15:39,250 --> 00:15:44,030 Growing up, I was always raised to not judge people by the color of their skin. 236 00:15:44,550 --> 00:15:48,910 My father told me about some of the struggles that my grandfather had. Being 237 00:15:48,910 --> 00:15:53,450 Italian -American, it made me more aware and sympathetic to what Arab -Americans 238 00:15:53,450 --> 00:15:55,970 were feeling at the time. These were people who had lived here, who had 239 00:15:55,970 --> 00:15:56,970 assimilated to this country. 240 00:15:57,450 --> 00:16:00,410 The same thing you see with the Japanese in World War II. It was completely 241 00:16:00,410 --> 00:16:06,070 unfair. It's disgraceful. And so when 9 -11 happened, my concern was what's 242 00:16:06,070 --> 00:16:09,510 going to happen next. And that kind of became my catchphrase since 9 -11. 243 00:16:09,710 --> 00:16:13,410 Since 9 -11? Since 9 -11. Since 9 -11. 244 00:16:13,610 --> 00:16:18,270 I was the good guy in my own story. I was the hero. I was the one fighting for 245 00:16:18,270 --> 00:16:22,850 the injustice of my people. But the irony of that is we were still a heel 246 00:16:23,150 --> 00:16:25,950 You know, Sean would distract the ref. Sean would slip a bell in. 247 00:16:27,180 --> 00:16:31,440 I know the business side of things. I knew if I wanted to be there, that's the 248 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:32,920 card I had to play, and it worked. 249 00:16:34,980 --> 00:16:40,240 Though he reflects the politics of the early 2000s, the concept behind the 250 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,520 character goes back to the earliest days of pro wrestling. 251 00:16:43,740 --> 00:16:49,620 There's such a history of the foreign heel that you can go back to Jack 252 00:16:49,620 --> 00:16:53,180 as Fritz von Erich, evil German heel. 253 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:59,660 Carl Von Hesse, who served in the U .S. Navy, that's suddenly portraying a Nazi. 254 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:06,200 One thing that was easy to do is tap into our tribalism as humans. 255 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:12,560 It was a very easy, very kind of low -hanging fruit way to create a character 256 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,599 that Americans could boo. 257 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:20,160 But the company is playing with fire, and as history shows, not every attempt 258 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,920 bring politics into wrestling is enjoyed by the audience. 259 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,819 The last time that Vince tried to do something like this, it backfired 260 00:17:26,819 --> 00:17:32,980 spectacularly. In 1991, the idea for WrestleMania was going to be Hulk Hogan, 261 00:17:33,020 --> 00:17:37,580 the American hero, defending the WWF and its championship from Sergeant 262 00:17:37,580 --> 00:17:41,700 Slaughter, the former G .I. Joe, the former American hero. 263 00:17:42,490 --> 00:17:48,570 that had become an Iraqi sympathizer. Soon, Hosh Hogan, it's going to be your 264 00:17:48,570 --> 00:17:54,210 burial. Vince McMahon believed they would sell out 100 ,000 seats, but a few 265 00:17:54,210 --> 00:17:57,230 weeks before the event, they had barely sold 10 ,000 tickets. 266 00:17:57,490 --> 00:17:58,490 It bombed. 267 00:17:59,910 --> 00:18:06,830 The problem was the Gulf War was ongoing right at that time, and the fans didn't 268 00:18:06,830 --> 00:18:08,030 want to see it. 269 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:13,900 But in 2005, Coppani and WWE are committed to making sure that this time 270 00:18:13,900 --> 00:18:18,320 storyline does work, with the company insisting he stay in character at all 271 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,060 times, even in public. 272 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,780 We always had to maintain not only the look of the character, but really the 273 00:18:24,780 --> 00:18:28,020 personalities of the character. So it got a little shady sometimes. 274 00:18:28,970 --> 00:18:35,110 He got to really experience what it was like being Arab American in the United 275 00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:37,910 States of America in 2004 and 2005. 276 00:18:38,570 --> 00:18:43,350 We experienced what a lot of people were experiencing in America at the time. 277 00:18:43,610 --> 00:18:47,990 When we would travel, Sean always got stopped because his last name's Daivari, 278 00:18:48,050 --> 00:18:49,470 which is a Persian name. 279 00:18:49,790 --> 00:18:51,670 Kapani never got stopped. 280 00:18:51,910 --> 00:18:57,050 We were on an airplane, and the look on people's faces, the fear. 281 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,840 People in the back of the plane that were calling their families to tell them 282 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,340 that they love them in case anything happens. 283 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:10,040 One time we were in San Francisco and a young mother with her child takes her 284 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:15,180 completely off the path that had plenty of space to walk clear around us. 285 00:19:15,980 --> 00:19:20,340 The way that people looked at us, you just always had this uneasy feeling that 286 00:19:20,340 --> 00:19:22,800 there's potential for something dangerous to happen. 287 00:19:23,340 --> 00:19:26,760 Once he saw what Daivari went through, once he saw... 288 00:19:27,180 --> 00:19:32,620 just how people were going to see him, I think it changed him. He was speaking 289 00:19:32,620 --> 00:19:38,840 from the heart from those promos. I'm just like each and every one of you. I 290 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,880 born right here in this country. 291 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:46,920 It really made it easy to feel the injustice because these people didn't 292 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:51,120 know us. And the way that they looked at us and they judged us, well, when we 293 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:54,020 got out into the ring, that was how everyone in America looked at us. 294 00:19:57,070 --> 00:20:00,610 There were a few times where things could have gotten real. 295 00:20:01,190 --> 00:20:07,550 We were in Australia with a bunch of the guys, Gene Sininsky, Chris Masters, and 296 00:20:07,550 --> 00:20:11,810 a group of young men who were Arab or Middle Eastern approached us. 297 00:20:12,430 --> 00:20:16,550 They knew who we were, and they knew the characters we were portraying, and they 298 00:20:16,550 --> 00:20:19,790 were very angry. They were saying to us, you're not really Muslim, are you? 299 00:20:19,850 --> 00:20:23,250 Like, they were ripping into us, and it became a heated exchange. 300 00:20:24,010 --> 00:20:27,010 Made me realize that there could be people that took offense to these 301 00:20:27,010 --> 00:20:31,730 characters. The fact that a non -Muslim was portraying that character. 302 00:20:32,170 --> 00:20:37,450 I remember thinking to myself, if something happens, we are so outnumbered 303 00:20:37,450 --> 00:20:41,990 that it's either going to take hitting somebody with a chair for real or 304 00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:45,810 smashing a glass over somebody. I'm thinking it's going to get rough. 305 00:20:46,860 --> 00:20:52,460 It de -escalated quickly because I'm surrounded by 6 '10 giants. 306 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,120 The irony is that those guys were right. In our minds, we're playing these 307 00:20:56,120 --> 00:21:00,860 characters, we're generating heat, we're finding success, but it was one of the 308 00:21:00,860 --> 00:21:05,100 first times I had second thought about, is this just a character? 309 00:21:05,340 --> 00:21:09,660 And that's when it became too real, and that's when the lines between wrestling 310 00:21:09,660 --> 00:21:12,880 and reality no longer existed. 311 00:21:28,299 --> 00:21:33,900 As Muhammad Hassan rises to the top of the card, Mark's sudden success doesn't 312 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:37,720 sit well with the other wrestlers in the locker room. That era of wrestling was 313 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,700 definitely a tough era to be a new guy. There was a close, tight -knit group of 314 00:21:40,700 --> 00:21:41,940 veterans, and... 315 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,920 I remember walking in, and there's just lacrimatic. You have to shake 316 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:45,920 everybody's hand. 317 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:51,740 I was 24 years old, very green, and I really didn't know how to behave. 318 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,440 Getting that push to the moon, there was always a bunch of the guys that felt 319 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:56,440 like you were stealing their spot. 320 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,340 You've had guys who have been on the roster who have been working their tails 321 00:22:00,340 --> 00:22:02,540 off for years, and they're not getting pushed. 322 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,160 There was a lot of jealous and resentment. 323 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,100 They would weed out guys if they found a weakness in you. 324 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,220 They'd poke at it and poke at it until you either quit or broke down. 325 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:15,840 They wanted to test you. 326 00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:21,560 Unless you've paid your dues, you're going to have heat. You do not want 327 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,940 Muhammad Hassan found this out. 328 00:22:27,700 --> 00:22:32,440 Mark's finishing maneuver was a move called the camel clutch, a move that the 329 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,860 Iron Sheik made famous in the 80s. I've never seen anyone get out of this hole. 330 00:22:36,900 --> 00:22:39,620 It made sense for Mark to utilize it 20 years later. 331 00:22:42,460 --> 00:22:43,720 I remember, we're in Japan. 332 00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:51,680 And Kurt Angle, who I admired and respected, made a comment that Eddie 333 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,400 is using the camel clutch. Well, that's my finisher. 334 00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:57,900 And he was saying, you know, it's bad for the business that two guys on the 335 00:22:57,900 --> 00:23:01,000 show are using the same move, and it's your finisher. It looks weak when Eddie 336 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,240 puts it on and someone gets out of it. 337 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:03,880 So you should say something. 338 00:23:04,810 --> 00:23:10,010 If you use a guy's move in wrestling without their permission, it's worse 339 00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:11,190 if you date their wife. 340 00:23:11,710 --> 00:23:14,930 So, of course, this is one of those moments where I should have kept my 341 00:23:14,930 --> 00:23:19,030 shut. I went up to Eddie, and I said, should you be using the camel clutch 342 00:23:19,030 --> 00:23:20,630 because I'm using it as a finisher? 343 00:23:20,910 --> 00:23:24,390 And he looked at me, and he kind of smiled. He's like, I've always used the 344 00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:26,310 camel clutch. He's like, my father invented it. 345 00:23:26,610 --> 00:23:31,410 I was like, of course he did. So, of course, the boys get a hold of this, and 346 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,270 turns into nuclear heat. 347 00:23:33,580 --> 00:23:35,440 It's disrespectful, and how dare I? 348 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:41,140 And I was mortified, and I just really felt like I made a mistake that I'm not 349 00:23:41,140 --> 00:23:42,140 going to come back from. 350 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,220 I remember calling my father, and I'm just like, I just want to fly home. He 351 00:23:46,220 --> 00:23:48,020 like, you're going to go out there, and you're going to face this. 352 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,820 And so I had to go to wrestling court. 353 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,980 Wrestler's court is kind of a reason to put somebody on blast and kind of shame 354 00:23:55,980 --> 00:23:57,080 them in front of everybody. 355 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,420 Undertaker is a judge, jury, and executioner. 356 00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:04,960 I mean, it sounds like kind of ridiculous, but you never want your 357 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,840 kind of coming down on you. 358 00:24:07,860 --> 00:24:12,240 My consequence for that was buying over $1 ,000 worth of drinks. 359 00:24:12,740 --> 00:24:16,060 There were certain wrestlers that were pouring the drinks on the floor after I 360 00:24:16,060 --> 00:24:16,699 bought them. 361 00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:20,520 Pouring high -quality alcohol in Japan on the floor seems pretty stupid looking 362 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,520 back on it now. 363 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,460 But after that, Eddie Guerrero came up to me and very kindly put his hand on my 364 00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:28,800 shoulder and said, I know you didn't mean anything by it. 365 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:31,920 We moved on. 366 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:38,420 As Muhammad Hassan's notoriety grows, Kopani lands his biggest opportunity 367 00:24:38,580 --> 00:24:41,640 sharing the ring with wrestling's most iconic star. 368 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,200 My character was upset that he wasn't given a match at WrestleMania. 369 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:52,320 And still, I am excluded from the biggest show of the year! 370 00:24:52,620 --> 00:24:55,800 And I remember finding out that we were going to do something with Hulk Hogan. 371 00:24:57,710 --> 00:25:00,010 It was a dream come true moment. 372 00:25:00,270 --> 00:25:04,430 I probably called everybody I'd ever met in my entire life to tell them I'm 373 00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:07,250 going to be at WrestleMania in the ring with Hulk Hogan. 374 00:25:08,030 --> 00:25:09,030 WrestleMania. 375 00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:12,970 That's like playing baseball against Babe Ruth. 376 00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:15,770 Who gets to freaking wrestle Hogan at WrestleMania? 377 00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:22,930 Standing in the center of that ring with Daivari when his music hit and just 378 00:25:22,930 --> 00:25:25,910 watching him work his way down towards the ring. 379 00:25:26,670 --> 00:25:31,490 You could just feel the noise from the crowd lifting you off of the mat. I had 380 00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:33,270 never experienced anything like it. 381 00:25:35,230 --> 00:25:40,510 Imagine being a kid who loves wrestling. 382 00:25:41,090 --> 00:25:44,010 Your dream is to become a wrestler. 383 00:25:45,690 --> 00:25:51,270 And then you find yourself not only working with Hulk Hogan, but working 384 00:25:51,270 --> 00:25:52,510 Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania. 385 00:25:52,990 --> 00:25:53,990 That's a dream. 386 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,960 until it becomes a nightmare. 387 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:04,540 With Hassan established as a top name, management decides to take the character 388 00:26:04,540 --> 00:26:06,120 in a shocking new direction. 389 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,500 With every character, you know there's going to be evolution. 390 00:26:09,820 --> 00:26:14,160 You don't want your character to be stuck in the mud because eventually 391 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,119 run their course. 392 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:17,980 You got that stupid towel, your stupid gimmick beard. 393 00:26:18,220 --> 00:26:19,700 I think you're a piece of garbage. 394 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:26,900 Vince and the team decided to lean towards... more of the stereotypical way 395 00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:31,880 become more radicalized. Let's take this a step further. People think he's a 396 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,940 terrorist. Let's make him that. 397 00:26:34,180 --> 00:26:40,280 You're looking at the new icon, the great Mohammed Hassan. 398 00:26:40,980 --> 00:26:46,860 As the months wore on, we started doing things that were much more focused on 399 00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:49,760 Islam as opposed to Middle Eastern heritage. 400 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,580 You will be a sacrifice. 401 00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:56,880 And then I feel like that character became insensitive, and it was a 402 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,060 departure from what we had originally set out to do. 403 00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:04,580 Now I have a bunch of men who are carrying out my bidding. 404 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,360 I really pushed back, and I did take that to Stephanie McMahon, who was 405 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:13,260 the writer that I was working with most on SmackDown. And she kind of put me in 406 00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:16,440 my place. It was, this is a huge opportunity for you. 407 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,800 Basically, shut up. We know what we're doing. 408 00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:35,580 Looking back, can I see that it was insensitive? It definitely became 409 00:27:35,580 --> 00:27:41,120 insensitive. The character changed over the course of a few months, but I don't 410 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:46,240 ever feel like what we did was intentionally distasteful up until the 411 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:52,400 Where things started to go wrong was as he started to gain momentum and this 412 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,360 character started becoming part of the main event scene, they wanted to try and 413 00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:57,360 generate more heat. 414 00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:03,460 Despite Mark's objections to the changes to his character, he knows he has 415 00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:04,920 little power to fight it. 416 00:28:05,260 --> 00:28:10,440 I don't know of anybody that's ever said no to a storyline of any kind. Because 417 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,180 it's like, when you get the opportunity, you're not going to pass it up. 418 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:18,200 And that very much was the culture. And everybody there was like, who is this 419 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,780 guy to refuse any storyline? 420 00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:26,220 The change in the character really took a toll on me. And I didn't agree with 421 00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:29,280 it. And I think I was pretty vocal about I didn't like the direction of the 422 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,520 character. There came to a point with Shawn Michaels, before I put him in the 423 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,820 camel clutch, I took my thumb and... 424 00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:44,090 Well, Undertaker does the same thing, but the context in which I did it, it 425 00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:48,870 symbolized a beheading, which was a horrific and tragic thing that was 426 00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:50,270 in the Middle East with American citizens. 427 00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:56,950 To be honest with you, at the time, it seemed only natural. 428 00:28:58,130 --> 00:29:02,990 I never saw how his character developed and thought, wow, they should not go 429 00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:07,170 here at the time. Never. Once. To me, it was like, ah, yeah, that makes sense. 430 00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:10,250 He's going to get so much heat for this. 431 00:29:10,770 --> 00:29:14,470 I don't really know exactly whose decision it was to do that. I know it 432 00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:18,070 mine. I think one of the reasons why the character started to change is because 433 00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:22,810 they were working up to a program with Batista and The Undertaker, who are not 434 00:29:22,810 --> 00:29:27,690 only two giant men, but they're also two giant personas and characters in the 435 00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:33,230 WWE. At some point, they were planning on putting one of the world 436 00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:35,570 on him. Vince was going to push him to the moon. 437 00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:39,800 The day of the dead man has come and gone. 438 00:29:41,660 --> 00:29:48,660 The angle that we were working with The Undertaker was going to 439 00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:50,600 build to a number one contenders match. 440 00:29:50,820 --> 00:29:56,440 And so I was told that the idea was that I would beat The Undertaker, I would be 441 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:03,260 the number one contender to face Batista, and it would be The Arab 442 00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:04,620 reigning champion Batista. 443 00:30:05,050 --> 00:30:09,630 In Washington, D .C., kind of like the big F .U. to America, that was the plan 444 00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:10,930 that was ran by me. 445 00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:14,410 Obviously, it didn't turn out that way, but it was Daivari versus The 446 00:30:14,410 --> 00:30:16,970 Undertaker. Sean got the crap kicked out of him. 447 00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:21,250 Talk about a sacrifice. 448 00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:27,370 On the day the episode is set to broadcast, real -world tragedy strike. 449 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,200 People streaming out of the station covered in blood. 450 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,460 This was a highly sophisticated, coordinated terrorist attack. 451 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,620 The London terrorist bombing that occurred on July 7th that led to many, 452 00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:46,840 casualties broke on a Thursday morning. So you have worldwide focus on this 453 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,840 terrorist attack. 454 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,800 And SmackDown was set to air later that night with this very controversial 455 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:59,620 angle. So in the immediate aftermath, WWE decides, It's going to run as is, 456 00:30:59,620 --> 00:31:02,920 they were going to add a crawl throughout the show, essentially giving 457 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:03,920 to the audience. 458 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,960 I think they underestimated the amount of scrutiny it was going to receive. 459 00:31:09,260 --> 00:31:14,980 The realism and the imagery all got tied into what had happened in London. 460 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,800 It was Daivari versus The Undertaker, and so Sean sacrificed himself, and I 461 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,840 just this evil look on my face that I dropped to my knees. 462 00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:30,640 And I raise my hand and say, praise Allah, and suddenly men come storming 463 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,640 from behind me. 464 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:32,680 Hit the ring. 465 00:31:34,060 --> 00:31:36,920 I do this, the beheading symbol. 466 00:31:37,740 --> 00:31:44,460 And then I come up. I get over the 467 00:31:44,460 --> 00:31:45,460 Undertaker. 468 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,340 And then I choke him out in a camel clutch. 469 00:31:55,020 --> 00:32:00,160 And now you started really walking that line of just like, is this guy a 470 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,520 terrorist at the end of the day? 471 00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:03,160 Terrorists behead people. 472 00:32:04,260 --> 00:32:08,480 And they had done it to a journalist, Daniel Pearl, a couple of years earlier. 473 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:13,900 Also, one year prior, this American, Nick Byrne, had been kidnapped. 474 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:20,500 and then was beheaded on camera by five masked men, the same number that WWE 475 00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:21,960 incorporated for this angle. 476 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,960 The masked men, they were almost like my soldiers, and I was the leader of this 477 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,460 Islamic fundamentalist cult. 478 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,540 And then Sean ended up becoming our martyr. 479 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:38,040 He's given what had been recognized as an Islamic martyr's funeral in the sense 480 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:43,060 that the men in masks are carrying him overhead, sacrificing his life for me. 481 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,640 That was really the scene that started that controversy. 482 00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:52,480 It was across the line. This was really happening at that moment to Americans 483 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,540 and American allies. 484 00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:57,440 And people didn't want to see that kind of shit on their wrestling program. 485 00:32:58,780 --> 00:33:02,600 And so this set off a firestorm of backlash. 486 00:33:02,980 --> 00:33:07,100 UPN wanted nothing to do with this character in light of the controversy. 487 00:33:08,170 --> 00:33:11,850 We had heat with sponsors, with Arab groups. 488 00:33:12,370 --> 00:33:14,650 Everybody just said, enough is enough. 489 00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:20,130 And it was framed in how insensitive the WWE is, using real -life tragic 490 00:33:20,130 --> 00:33:24,810 situations to sell a story. I didn't agree with what we were doing at that 491 00:33:24,890 --> 00:33:26,930 I felt like we needed to scale back. 492 00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:32,570 In this particular instance... I told my boss that I think this was the wrong 493 00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:36,030 way to go, and I didn't want to have anything to do with it. I was demoted. I 494 00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:40,870 was stripped of almost all my responsibilities, all because I spoke up 495 00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:42,530 that I think this was wrong. 496 00:33:42,730 --> 00:33:44,110 As an American, I thought it was wrong. 497 00:33:44,390 --> 00:33:49,230 And then what happened was pressure started to come down from the network, 498 00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:53,870 eventually UPN put enough pressure on WWE, and they realized that they needed 499 00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:55,590 kill the character altogether. 500 00:33:56,170 --> 00:33:58,490 This could indeed be Muhammad Hassan. 501 00:33:59,130 --> 00:34:00,130 Last match. 502 00:34:07,150 --> 00:34:13,130 With the media and fans in an uproar, Muhammad Hassan draws the wrong kind of 503 00:34:13,130 --> 00:34:17,790 attention. The network was really worried about it, and they said, take 504 00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:21,929 characters off of SmackDown. I think with the sponsors and the threats that 505 00:34:21,929 --> 00:34:26,590 had made, it slowly deteriorated into something that I had realized was 506 00:34:26,590 --> 00:34:27,590 going to end my career. 507 00:34:28,090 --> 00:34:31,989 Chef, we are D doesn't want to air an ad right after you martyr a wrestler. 508 00:34:32,330 --> 00:34:35,710 If there was no London bombing, the direction we were headed, it would have 509 00:34:35,710 --> 00:34:39,790 become tasteless. Muhammad Hassan went from this real life portrayal of an 510 00:34:39,790 --> 00:34:42,270 American. Judge me for me. 511 00:34:42,510 --> 00:34:46,630 To now relying more on his Islamic background to get heat. 512 00:34:46,889 --> 00:34:51,030 I assure you that that sacrifice will not go without its reward. 513 00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:54,170 But it's sacrifice for the greater good. 514 00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:55,389 I thought it was. 515 00:34:55,550 --> 00:34:59,590 Ironic that now we're stereotyping Middle Easterns when we started off the 516 00:34:59,590 --> 00:35:03,070 character as being against that stereotype and trying really hard to 517 00:35:03,070 --> 00:35:06,730 Muhammad Hassan a real character. Someone who was born here, went to 518 00:35:06,730 --> 00:35:07,830 here, has a family here. 519 00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:12,810 I, for one, will not embrace a racist nation. 520 00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:16,730 Right around that time, I wanted to buy a house. 521 00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:22,110 And so I walk into a room off of catering, and it's just me and there's 522 00:35:22,110 --> 00:35:24,650 A, the head of talent relations at the time. 523 00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:28,660 And I remember going and saying, Johnny, you know, I'm just about to put an 524 00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:30,160 offer in on a house back home. 525 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,740 What's going to happen? And he looked me dead in the eye and he said, don't buy 526 00:35:35,740 --> 00:35:36,740 the house. 527 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,840 And that's when I knew that we're not going to be fighting this, that we were 528 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:42,840 done. 529 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,140 With sponsors and the network pressuring the company to drop the character, 530 00:35:48,620 --> 00:35:50,620 Muhammad Hassan's fate is sealed. 531 00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:53,340 We weren't allowed to be on TV. 532 00:35:53,980 --> 00:35:57,680 We weren't allowed to be on SmackDown or Raw. The only thing we were allowed to 533 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,200 do was a pay -per -view. 534 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,440 My family was sitting in the front row in Buffalo, New York, where I went to 535 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,800 school, where I first got the bug to want to be a wrestler. 536 00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:09,260 Everything kind of came full circle. 537 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,860 And that was the last time I was going to be in a WWE ring. 538 00:36:15,020 --> 00:36:19,020 I mean, if anybody was going to take me out, having to be The Undertaker was an 539 00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:20,020 honor. 540 00:36:24,110 --> 00:36:28,790 My character was beat brutally. 541 00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:33,690 And then I was powerbombed through the stage. 542 00:36:35,110 --> 00:36:40,810 This move called the last ride. And he launches me, and when he drops me, I'm 543 00:36:40,810 --> 00:36:43,410 coming down at a much steeper angle than I anticipated. 544 00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:50,770 Hit so hard on that single crash pad on my neck that I flipped over and landed 545 00:36:50,770 --> 00:36:52,490 clean on my feet like an acrobat. 546 00:36:52,910 --> 00:36:55,830 So they put me down, they covered me with cable wires, put blood out. 547 00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:59,650 I don't know how often that's happened where a character has been murdered on 548 00:36:59,650 --> 00:37:00,990 national television brutally. 549 00:37:01,870 --> 00:37:04,990 And with that, Muhammad Hassan was never seen again. 550 00:37:08,330 --> 00:37:12,910 That was it. And, you know, the weird thing about that was typically after a 551 00:37:12,910 --> 00:37:16,490 show, you go back to the hotel. I was in Buffalo, and I was home. 552 00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:20,450 So I got in my car, and when the show was over, I drove home. 553 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,420 I couldn't even begin to tell you the thoughts that I was feeling. 554 00:37:26,180 --> 00:37:31,660 I don't know if it was relief, sadness, disappointment. 555 00:37:35,860 --> 00:37:42,660 I definitely was heartbroken by what had happened and heartbroken 556 00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:44,400 that everything that I had spent. 557 00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:51,740 So much time and energy and dreamed and everything that I had worked for was 558 00:37:51,740 --> 00:37:52,740 just gone. 559 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,680 It made no sense. 560 00:37:55,060 --> 00:37:59,560 He did what he was told because he was being paid money and he had a dream job 561 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,620 that he wanted to fulfill. 562 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,900 And what they told him to do backfired. They threw the baby and the bathwater 563 00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:10,400 out the window and continued on rather than tell Vince McMahon, you f*** this 564 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,960 guy up, you ought to make it up to him. 565 00:38:12,490 --> 00:38:17,210 He did everything he was told. He was great at his job. And they let him go 566 00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:18,210 it. 567 00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:23,790 The end of my career with the WWE launched me to a few years of my life 568 00:38:23,790 --> 00:38:26,210 had no direction. And I was lost. 569 00:38:26,430 --> 00:38:30,030 And I didn't know what I was going to do. And I knew I would never get back 570 00:38:30,030 --> 00:38:31,030 I had. 571 00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:36,730 And I couldn't rationalize it. And I couldn't find reason for it. 572 00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:38,470 I do feel like... 573 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,300 Wrestling turned its back on me, and I definitely turned my back on wrestling, 574 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,160 and I didn't want to look back at all. 575 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,780 I needed to change, and I didn't really know how. 576 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,900 Fired from WWE and living in Los Angeles, Mark Coppani steps away from 577 00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:03,900 of wrestling. 578 00:39:04,580 --> 00:39:06,320 I was pretty secluded in L .A. 579 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,920 In the moment, it was survival mode. It was living day by day. 580 00:39:11,380 --> 00:39:15,560 It was a level of depression that I didn't recognize at the time. I don't 581 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:21,920 to say hopelessness, but just being lost, and nothing was really going my 582 00:39:23,260 --> 00:39:25,500 Depressed, upset, frustrated. 583 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,260 You're on top of the world one week. The next week, you're without a job. 584 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,450 Once that tide of momentum turns against you, It's kind of hard to get it to 585 00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:36,510 swing the other way. 586 00:39:36,730 --> 00:39:42,430 The character came in so hot and had so much attention that nobody thought it 587 00:39:42,430 --> 00:39:44,590 was going to be believable to bring me back as anybody else. 588 00:39:45,590 --> 00:39:47,850 It's always like that one thing that sticks in people's mind. 589 00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:50,550 You know, oh, that's the terrorist guy. 590 00:39:51,330 --> 00:39:56,370 Sadly, just a waste of a talent, really, because he had so much potential to be 591 00:39:56,370 --> 00:39:57,510 like that big star. 592 00:39:57,830 --> 00:40:02,030 One of the defining moments for me with that is I... 593 00:40:02,890 --> 00:40:07,910 I had come home for the holidays, just a bit of a wreck. I was running low on 594 00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:14,450 money. I remember being exhausted and just saying to myself, you need to get 595 00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:15,450 some sleep. 596 00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:21,830 And then the thought occurred to me, what if you don't wake up? What 597 00:40:21,830 --> 00:40:22,629 would it make? 598 00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:23,810 What difference do you make? 599 00:40:25,350 --> 00:40:27,670 How many days have you wasted? 600 00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:30,370 How many days have you wasted? 601 00:40:33,569 --> 00:40:37,950 Kind of just confronted with the reality of where I was, not where I wanted to 602 00:40:37,950 --> 00:40:42,890 be, and that was the moment that I decided I needed to make a radical 603 00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:46,110 my life. And it was a few months later that I was going to college, working 604 00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:47,110 nights at UPS. 605 00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:52,670 It was very humbling, and I found that fire, that work ethic, that dedication, 606 00:40:53,050 --> 00:40:55,750 that passion, and I focused in on another direction. 607 00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:59,260 I got my teaching certification and I got my master's degree. I got a job 608 00:40:59,260 --> 00:41:00,660 teaching. Then I became a principal. 609 00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:03,260 I didn't stop and I haven't stopped since. 610 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,560 So I don't waste days anymore. 611 00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:12,160 It wasn't until later that I realized I was avoiding the pain and the heartbreak 612 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,520 that I had felt because of what had happened. 613 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:20,560 With Muhammad Hassan behind him, Marcus had years to reflect on the experience 614 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,860 of being one of wrestling's most controversial villains. 615 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,260 It probably wasn't until almost a decade later that I really started to 616 00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:33,820 appreciate the journey that I had had and the career that I had had, 617 00:41:33,820 --> 00:41:36,740 of how it had ended. And at that point, it didn't matter how it ended. 618 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,260 It's always easy to say, what if? 619 00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:43,840 I think Muhammad Hassan's outcome was set in stone from his very first promo. 620 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,840 This is no longer the land of the free. 621 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,660 And it has nothing to do with talent, skill, ability, appearance. 622 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,560 It has to do with the culture we lived in. 623 00:41:54,570 --> 00:41:58,830 I feel bad for Mark because the man was talented. The man was good. The man was 624 00:41:58,830 --> 00:42:05,470 gifted. I will fulfill my destiny as the first Arab American to be 625 00:42:05,470 --> 00:42:09,710 champion. I made the decisions to play that character, and I've had to live 626 00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:13,650 it, and so I don't have any ill feelings about it. I don't hold grudges. Just 627 00:42:13,650 --> 00:42:17,210 the fact that I got to experience that and I got to live that, and I had 628 00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:22,870 it for so long, to make that dream a reality, this is something that I am 629 00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:23,870 proud of. 630 00:42:24,490 --> 00:42:28,810 But either way, that character was not long for TV. The world was changing 631 00:42:28,810 --> 00:42:33,370 around us, and eventually the world looked like it does today, where that 632 00:42:33,370 --> 00:42:38,230 of stereotypical, insensitive portrayal of any nationality in this country is 633 00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:39,430 frowned upon now, and it should be. 634 00:42:41,310 --> 00:42:47,190 Sean is an agent in the WWE now. Sean has a great mind for wrestling, and he 635 00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:51,150 just gets the storytelling aspect of wrestling. I talk to Sean all the time, 636 00:42:51,150 --> 00:42:53,230 he's doing very well, and I couldn't be prouder of him. 637 00:42:53,580 --> 00:42:58,580 To be honest, it worked out better for Mark because in the intervening 20 638 00:42:58,740 --> 00:43:03,560 he's had a normal job in a normal place. He's highly thought of in the 639 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,240 community. He's probably been better off in the long run than all the crazy shit 640 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:10,380 he would have gone through in 20 years in the wrestling business. 641 00:43:10,620 --> 00:43:11,800 So I'm happy for him. 642 00:43:12,020 --> 00:43:15,360 If I could go back and do it all again, I absolutely would do it. 643 00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:18,100 I'm the man I am today because of those experiences. 644 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,000 Muhammad Hassan didn't define who I am. 645 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,860 That character stays in 2004, 2005. 646 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,260 Everything that's happened since is me. 647 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,700 Now I'm the director of human resources in a small city school district, and I 648 00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:36,640 impact over 3 ,000 kids every day. And the only way I had gotten to this point 649 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,380 is because of the epic failure that I had had and that realization that it 650 00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:45,020 doesn't matter what your dreams were. It doesn't matter how it ended. You always 651 00:43:45,020 --> 00:43:46,020 have a second chance. 652 00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:50,280 I don't think my best days are behind me. I think that they're in front of me. 653 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,880 I'm still looking forward to doing some big things. 59400

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