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Introducing first, Mark Magnus.
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In the early 2000s, Mark Coppani was a
young wrestler with a dream.
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When I got the phone call that I was
going to be for the WWE, I knew it was
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going to be special. You see, I'm the
future of wrestling.
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But when they pitched me the idea, I was
very nervous.
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You're looking at the great Muhammad
Hassan.
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What?
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I said, but he's Italian from Syracuse.
Well, for us, he's going to be a Middle
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Easterner. But Coppani's path to stardom
proved extremely controversial as WWE
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cast him as a shocking new villain. We
are three years removed from 9 -11.
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And it's still a fresh wound.
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There was so much discrimination going
on, so it was just instant heat.
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We're labeled terrorists!
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Terrorists! I'm a terrorist.
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He was stoking a lot of prejudices.
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America does not wish goodwill towards
all men.
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Mohammed Hassan, what he was saying
wasn't silly. What he was saying was
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And no one wants to hear that they're
wrong. Those people wanted to kill him.
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But it takes on an entirely different
level once the London bombing occurs.
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A series of terrorist attacks in the
capital this morning. That's when things
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started to go downhill.
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It was a ride straight to the top that
ended in sudden disaster.
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The character started to become more
radicalized.
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And suddenly he had a crew of terrorist
henchmen.
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That's what blew everything up.
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They underestimated the amount of
scrutiny it was going to receive.
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The network was saying, we're not going
to air SmackDown if this character is
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not written off.
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Instead of it being a footnote in his
career.
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It became the last chapter.
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Everything that I had worked for was
just gone.
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It was that quick.
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The rise, the fall, and then the
rebirth.
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Following WWE's unparalleled success in
the late 1990s, In the early 2000s, the
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company struggled to find a footing in a
new era.
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The WWE was in a transition period. They
had lost Stone Cold Steve Austin to
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injury and retirement. They'd lost The
Rock to the movies.
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And they were trying to find their next
major superstars.
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Ohio Valley Wrestling was a local
wrestling promotion and training center
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in Louisville, Kentucky to serve as a
developmental or a training program for
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aspiring WWE wrestlers. That's the
trajectory that Brock Lesnar had taken
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John Cena and Randy Orton and Batista.
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If you had the athletic background, the
size, the personality, we could show you
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how to be a successful pro wrestler.
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I'm Jim Cornette, and I was one of the
trainers of the wrestler that would come
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to be known as Muhammad Hassan.
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When Mark Capani came in, he's 21 years
old. He was in good shape. He had good
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looks. And you could see that he had a
great amount of potential.
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I was always athletic, and I always
played sports. So wrestling kind of
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all of that for me.
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Feast your eyes and fantasize on this
year's model.
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Mark's character was, like, smug,
arrogant.
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I'm better than you in every category at
that thing.
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My name's Chris Mordetzky, but you
probably know me better as Chris Masters
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Masterpiece. Mark was the OVW champion
at one point.
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Jim Cornette booked Mark in a way that
would help give him an opportunity to
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signed in WWE.
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In two years, he had gone from the
lowest guy on the totem pole to a main
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wrestler in OVW.
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And all of a sudden, I get a call from
the WWE office saying they wanted to
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him an Arab.
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I said, but he's Italian from Syracuse.
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How is this going to work?
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Jim Cornette told me what they were
looking for.
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Didn't really know how I felt about it
at the time.
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But this is a big opportunity, and not
many people have a character that's
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handed to them. So there was no doubt
about it, I was going to do the
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My name's Mark Apani, and in 2004 and
2005, I played the character Muhammad
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Hassan on WWE.
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Mark was very dark -complected. He has
the dark hair.
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He could look like a stereotypical Arab
villain in a movie.
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Oh yeah, Jimmy, it's going to be that
good.
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So now Mark Magnus is no more.
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And instead, he is Muhammad Hassan.
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Praise Allah.
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When I told my family that I was going
to be an Arab American, they definitely
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were trepidatious about the fact that I
was going to be portraying another
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nationality, one in this country at the
time, that was particularly not trusted
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and even hated.
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The character of Muhammad Hassan is a
direct response to the horrific and
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events of just a few years earlier.
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We have a breaking news story to tell
you about. Apparently, a plane has just
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crashed into the World Trade Center here
in New York City.
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I remember I was walking home from
class, and I hear people talking, and
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really processing what they're saying.
But I get home.
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And I turn the TV on, and I see the
devastation.
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And then it hit me. This wasn't an
accident. This was an attack.
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At the time, no one knew what was going
to happen. It was very uncertain.
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And I think one of the things that
wrestling did for me is when they went
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air right after 9 -11, and the show must
go on.
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We will not live our lives in fear.
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It was a defining moment that wrestling
could have such a positive impact on me
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when I was feeling so negative.
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When I was scared, when I didn't know
what was going to happen, I put
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on, and for those few hours, it didn't
matter.
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The WWE was really rallying behind this
patriotism, and that would embed the
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country coming out of 9 -11.
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and inevitably was going to seep into
its programming.
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But Osama bin Laden, the exiled
terrorist, is involved, if not totally
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responsible for, this coordinated
attack.
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Post -September 11th, there was so much
discrimination going on. You couldn't
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really escape it in the United States
around that time. A lot of people would
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think terrorist automatically.
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We have four basic emotions, anger being
one of them. Transform that into
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wrestling terms.
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Open that wound every time you possibly
can.
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My name is Maven Huffman. I wrestled in
the WWE alongside Muhammad Hassan.
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In 2004, 9 -11 is still fresh on the
minds of a lot of people.
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Once we saw Muhammad come out, we just
were like, ugh, he's going to get heat.
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We will spread the word of Allah to all
you despicable infidels. The times we
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were in, we didn't need an arrogant.
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Italian. We needed someone who could
just garner the hatred of the fans.
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Along with the new Muhammad Hassan was
going to be Sean Daivari.
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Sean Daivari is an independent wrestler
that came out of Chicago and was someone
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that was assigned to be the second to
Muhammad Hassan and was able to speak
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Farsi.
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They called me up, if I'd like to offer
you a job. I met Mark Magnus, who was
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Muhammad, and he told me that they were
going to be like two Arabs.
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Praise Allah!
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Before being introduced to the WWE
audience,
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Coppani and Daivari test out their new
character in OVW.
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We started trying things out at house
shows, and we didn't know the direction
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the character was going to take.
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This was a Vince McMahon idea.
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And whenever Vince McMahon had an idea,
you knew it was going to go farther than
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almost anything else.
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An illegal war is being waged on
innocent people.
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At one point, it was very stereotypical,
like we're going to raise the price of
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oil. We were going out there just trying
different things to see how much heat
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we could generate from the crowd.
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You are a traitor to my country!
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I grew up in the era with the Hulk Hogan
and Ricky Steamboat and Randy Savage.
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It was these larger -than -life
characters.
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Wrestling has always skimmed the surface
of political events in the modern
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world.
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Iron Sheik and Nikolai Volkov were
cartoony with the accent.
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And I don't think Muhammad Hassan was
any different when we started.
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It wasn't until we started filming the
vignettes, and that's when the character
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took shape.
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WWE decides to introduce the character
through pre -recorded segments that will
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air in anticipation of his in -ring
debut.
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My name is Muhammad Hassan.
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Vignettes were a critical part of
storytelling for WWE.
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My name is Michael Leonardi. I am a
former writer and producer for World
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Wrestling Entertainment.
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It was our opportunity to present to the
world this new character. And it played
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a huge role because it would really help
them get off to a great start.
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Don't confuse me with acts of terrorism
here in America.
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That's when it clicked for both Sean and
I that this wasn't a foreign character.
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This was an American character of Muslim
or Arab descent.
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9 -11 changed everything.
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For me and my people. Who, rightfully
so, is disgruntled. For Arab Americans,
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there is no equality.
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And discouraged and angry about what has
been going on with his family and his
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community since 9 -11.
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But because we're of Arab descent, we
are singled out.
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These were really set up to highlight
situations in which his character would
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experience biases or prejudice.
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Muhammad Hassan is presented in the
light that just because of my
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does not make me a terrorist.
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He was the antithesis of all of the
stereotypes.
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But the day before Hassan's first
appearance, controversy stoked.
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On an episode of Sunday Night Heat, you
had your broadcasters Todd Grisham and
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Ivory teeing up Muhammad Hassan's debut.
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Also tomorrow night, Muhammad Hassan
makes his debut in the ring on Raw.
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I'm just asking, how are you going to
get to Huntsville?
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I'm driving.
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Good, because I don't want you to be
flying. And right there, the fact that
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we're going to make a...
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flight joke, I think it kind of sets the
tone for what the audience can expect.
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With expectations riding high, Mark
Coppani prepares to make his entrance as
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Muhammad Hassan.
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I finally debuted in Huntsville, Alabama
with Mick Foley.
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I was nervous.
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I felt like I was going to throw up.
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I remember we were really not 100 % sure
how they're going to take this
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character. It was very different.
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of the line for us. Mick Foley's out
there just giving a riveting promo about
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the war in Afghanistan and supporting
our troops.
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Supporting the troops goes way beyond
any kind of political affiliation.
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Now I come out.
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Man, as soon as that music
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hits and as soon as you step through
that curtain, it's just, it's go time.
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business.
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And I interrupt Mick Follin and I am
contradicting everything he says because
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this is my truth.
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It's people like us that are the real
victims of this war.
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None of you people are real patriots.
And instantly you are telling the
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if there was any confusion from these
vignettes, you are instructed to hate
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Mohammed Hassan. I am sick of hearing
you express your admiration for these
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troops. These gutless cowards! Now
you're pissing me off!
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Here was somebody very clearly being
presented as a villain because he was
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attacking Americans.
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I don't think Vince McMahon was trying
to tell a complex story.
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Arab -American, disgruntled, anti
-American.
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Boo. Heal. He may even be justified in
what he is saying, but he is anti
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-American. And I feel your patriotism.
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At every airport.
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And especially right now. It worked with
the fans because they really did not
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like somebody coming out and telling
them that America didn't have all the
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answers.
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When I came back from the curtain, I
think a lot of people were very
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And I think a lot of people were very
excited about the potential of this
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character.
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I knew right away they were going to
push him to the moon.
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He's got the look, he's got the skill,
he's got the knowledge.
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Hi, this is Gene Snitsky, and I used to
work with Muhammad Hassan.
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I can't remember anybody getting that
much heat since the Iron Sheik.
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The animosity of people.
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Like, they literally wanted to grab him
and beat him.
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It's crazy.
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Over a wrestling character.
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He just had that aura about him to where
people just didn't only hate him, they
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wanted to kill him.
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To all the men and women of the United
States Armed Forces now in the Middle
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East, the peace of a troubled world and
the hopes of an oppressed people now
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depend on you.
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In 2004, our nation was engulfed in a
war in the Middle East.
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We're putting shows on in Iraq.
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The WWE has returned to Iraq to
celebrate the holidays with each and
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of you.
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Patriotism is huge in every aspect of
our lives.
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Add wrestling to it, it just amps up the
volume tenfold.
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So then when they heard this guy who
might look
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like one of the terrorists going out
basically saying, I had nothing to do
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9 -11.
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You don't really care what he's going to
say.
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New people have no idea what it's like
to be me. They booed because it was
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showing a mirror to the face of the
American public and the hypocrisy and
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prejudice. America has literally ganged
up on me and our Arab American brothers.
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That had really been pushed forward
against the Muslim people in this
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the time. And people don't like to be
shown their own flaws.
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Deep down inside your hearts.
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Every single one of you is prejudiced.
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Growing up, I was always raised to not
judge people by the color of their skin.
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My father told me about some of the
struggles that my grandfather had. Being
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Italian -American, it made me more aware
and sympathetic to what Arab -Americans
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were feeling at the time. These were
people who had lived here, who had
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assimilated to this country.
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The same thing you see with the Japanese
in World War II. It was completely
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unfair. It's disgraceful. And so when 9
-11 happened, my concern was what's
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going to happen next. And that kind of
became my catchphrase since 9 -11.
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Since 9 -11? Since 9 -11. Since 9 -11.
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I was the good guy in my own story. I
was the hero. I was the one fighting for
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the injustice of my people. But the
irony of that is we were still a heel
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You know, Sean would distract the ref.
Sean would slip a bell in.
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I know the business side of things. I
knew if I wanted to be there, that's the
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card I had to play, and it worked.
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Though he reflects the politics of the
early 2000s, the concept behind the
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character goes back to the earliest days
of pro wrestling.
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There's such a history of the foreign
heel that you can go back to Jack
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as Fritz von Erich, evil German heel.
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Carl Von Hesse, who served in the U .S.
Navy, that's suddenly portraying a Nazi.
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One thing that was easy to do is tap
into our tribalism as humans.
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It was a very easy, very kind of low
-hanging fruit way to create a character
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that Americans could boo.
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But the company is playing with fire,
and as history shows, not every attempt
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bring politics into wrestling is enjoyed
by the audience.
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The last time that Vince tried to do
something like this, it backfired
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spectacularly. In 1991, the idea for
WrestleMania was going to be Hulk Hogan,
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the American hero, defending the WWF and
its championship from Sergeant
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Slaughter, the former G .I. Joe, the
former American hero.
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that had become an Iraqi sympathizer.
Soon, Hosh Hogan, it's going to be your
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burial. Vince McMahon believed they
would sell out 100 ,000 seats, but a few
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weeks before the event, they had barely
sold 10 ,000 tickets.
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It bombed.
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The problem was the Gulf War was ongoing
right at that time, and the fans didn't
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want to see it.
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But in 2005, Coppani and WWE are
committed to making sure that this time
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storyline does work, with the company
insisting he stay in character at all
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times, even in public.
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We always had to maintain not only the
look of the character, but really the
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personalities of the character. So it
got a little shady sometimes.
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He got to really experience what it was
like being Arab American in the United
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States of America in 2004 and 2005.
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We experienced what a lot of people were
experiencing in America at the time.
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When we would travel, Sean always got
stopped because his last name's Daivari,
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which is a Persian name.
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Kapani never got stopped.
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We were on an airplane, and the look on
people's faces, the fear.
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People in the back of the plane that
were calling their families to tell them
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that they love them in case anything
happens.
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One time we were in San Francisco and a
young mother with her child takes her
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completely off the path that had plenty
of space to walk clear around us.
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The way that people looked at us, you
just always had this uneasy feeling that
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there's potential for something
dangerous to happen.
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Once he saw what Daivari went through,
once he saw...
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just how people were going to see him, I
think it changed him. He was speaking
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from the heart from those promos. I'm
just like each and every one of you. I
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born right here in this country.
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It really made it easy to feel the
injustice because these people didn't
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know us. And the way that they looked at
us and they judged us, well, when we
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got out into the ring, that was how
everyone in America looked at us.
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There were a few times where things
could have gotten real.
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We were in Australia with a bunch of the
guys, Gene Sininsky, Chris Masters, and
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a group of young men who were Arab or
Middle Eastern approached us.
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They knew who we were, and they knew the
characters we were portraying, and they
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were very angry. They were saying to us,
you're not really Muslim, are you?
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Like, they were ripping into us, and it
became a heated exchange.
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Made me realize that there could be
people that took offense to these
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characters. The fact that a non -Muslim
was portraying that character.
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I remember thinking to myself, if
something happens, we are so outnumbered
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that it's either going to take hitting
somebody with a chair for real or
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smashing a glass over somebody. I'm
thinking it's going to get rough.
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It de -escalated quickly because I'm
surrounded by 6 '10 giants.
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The irony is that those guys were right.
In our minds, we're playing these
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characters, we're generating heat, we're
finding success, but it was one of the
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first times I had second thought about,
is this just a character?
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And that's when it became too real, and
that's when the lines between wrestling
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and reality no longer existed.
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As Muhammad Hassan rises to the top of
the card, Mark's sudden success doesn't
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sit well with the other wrestlers in the
locker room. That era of wrestling was
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definitely a tough era to be a new guy.
There was a close, tight -knit group of
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veterans, and...
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I remember walking in, and there's just
lacrimatic. You have to shake
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everybody's hand.
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I was 24 years old, very green, and I
really didn't know how to behave.
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Getting that push to the moon, there was
always a bunch of the guys that felt
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like you were stealing their spot.
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You've had guys who have been on the
roster who have been working their tails
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off for years, and they're not getting
pushed.
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There was a lot of jealous and
resentment.
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They would weed out guys if they found a
weakness in you.
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They'd poke at it and poke at it until
you either quit or broke down.
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They wanted to test you.
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Unless you've paid your dues, you're
going to have heat. You do not want
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Muhammad Hassan found this out.
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Mark's finishing maneuver was a move
called the camel clutch, a move that the
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Iron Sheik made famous in the 80s. I've
never seen anyone get out of this hole.
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It made sense for Mark to utilize it 20
years later.
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I remember, we're in Japan.
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And Kurt Angle, who I admired and
respected, made a comment that Eddie
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is using the camel clutch. Well, that's
my finisher.
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And he was saying, you know, it's bad
for the business that two guys on the
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show are using the same move, and it's
your finisher. It looks weak when Eddie
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puts it on and someone gets out of it.
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So you should say something.
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If you use a guy's move in wrestling
without their permission, it's worse
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if you date their wife.
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So, of course, this is one of those
moments where I should have kept my
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shut. I went up to Eddie, and I said,
should you be using the camel clutch
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because I'm using it as a finisher?
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And he looked at me, and he kind of
smiled. He's like, I've always used the
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camel clutch. He's like, my father
invented it.
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I was like, of course he did. So, of
course, the boys get a hold of this, and
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turns into nuclear heat.
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It's disrespectful, and how dare I?
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And I was mortified, and I just really
felt like I made a mistake that I'm not
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going to come back from.
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I remember calling my father, and I'm
just like, I just want to fly home. He
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like, you're going to go out there, and
you're going to face this.
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And so I had to go to wrestling court.
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Wrestler's court is kind of a reason to
put somebody on blast and kind of shame
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them in front of everybody.
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Undertaker is a judge, jury, and
executioner.
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I mean, it sounds like kind of
ridiculous, but you never want your
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kind of coming down on you.
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My consequence for that was buying over
$1 ,000 worth of drinks.
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There were certain wrestlers that were
pouring the drinks on the floor after I
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bought them.
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Pouring high -quality alcohol in Japan
on the floor seems pretty stupid looking
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back on it now.
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But after that, Eddie Guerrero came up
to me and very kindly put his hand on my
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shoulder and said, I know you didn't
mean anything by it.
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We moved on.
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As Muhammad Hassan's notoriety grows,
Kopani lands his biggest opportunity
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sharing the ring with wrestling's most
iconic star.
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My character was upset that he wasn't
given a match at WrestleMania.
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And still, I am excluded from the
biggest show of the year!
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And I remember finding out that we were
going to do something with Hulk Hogan.
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It was a dream come true moment.
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I probably called everybody I'd ever met
in my entire life to tell them I'm
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going to be at WrestleMania in the ring
with Hulk Hogan.
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WrestleMania.
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That's like playing baseball against
Babe Ruth.
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Who gets to freaking wrestle Hogan at
WrestleMania?
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Standing in the center of that ring with
Daivari when his music hit and just
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watching him work his way down towards
the ring.
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You could just feel the noise from the
crowd lifting you off of the mat. I had
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never experienced anything like it.
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Imagine being a kid who loves wrestling.
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Your dream is to become a wrestler.
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And then you find yourself not only
working with Hulk Hogan, but working
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Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania.
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That's a dream.
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until it becomes a nightmare.
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With Hassan established as a top name,
management decides to take the character
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in a shocking new direction.
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With every character, you know there's
going to be evolution.
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You don't want your character to be
stuck in the mud because eventually
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run their course.
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You got that stupid towel, your stupid
gimmick beard.
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I think you're a piece of garbage.
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Vince and the team decided to lean
towards... more of the stereotypical way
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become more radicalized. Let's take this
a step further. People think he's a
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terrorist. Let's make him that.
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You're looking at the new icon, the
great Mohammed Hassan.
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As the months wore on, we started doing
things that were much more focused on
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Islam as opposed to Middle Eastern
heritage.
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You will be a sacrifice.
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And then I feel like that character
became insensitive, and it was a
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departure from what we had originally
set out to do.
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Now I have a bunch of men who are
carrying out my bidding.
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I really pushed back, and I did take
that to Stephanie McMahon, who was
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the writer that I was working with most
on SmackDown. And she kind of put me in
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my place. It was, this is a huge
opportunity for you.
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Basically, shut up. We know what we're
doing.
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Looking back, can I see that it was
insensitive? It definitely became
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insensitive. The character changed over
the course of a few months, but I don't
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ever feel like what we did was
intentionally distasteful up until the
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Where things started to go wrong was as
he started to gain momentum and this
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character started becoming part of the
main event scene, they wanted to try and
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generate more heat.
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Despite Mark's objections to the changes
to his character, he knows he has
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little power to fight it.
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I don't know of anybody that's ever said
no to a storyline of any kind. Because
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it's like, when you get the opportunity,
you're not going to pass it up.
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And that very much was the culture. And
everybody there was like, who is this
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guy to refuse any storyline?
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The change in the character really took
a toll on me. And I didn't agree with
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it. And I think I was pretty vocal about
I didn't like the direction of the
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character. There came to a point with
Shawn Michaels, before I put him in the
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camel clutch, I took my thumb and...
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00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:44,090
Well, Undertaker does the same thing,
but the context in which I did it, it
425
00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:48,870
symbolized a beheading, which was a
horrific and tragic thing that was
426
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:50,270
in the Middle East with American
citizens.
427
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:56,950
To be honest with you, at the time, it
seemed only natural.
428
00:28:58,130 --> 00:29:02,990
I never saw how his character developed
and thought, wow, they should not go
429
00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:07,170
here at the time. Never. Once. To me, it
was like, ah, yeah, that makes sense.
430
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:10,250
He's going to get so much heat for this.
431
00:29:10,770 --> 00:29:14,470
I don't really know exactly whose
decision it was to do that. I know it
432
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:18,070
mine. I think one of the reasons why the
character started to change is because
433
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:22,810
they were working up to a program with
Batista and The Undertaker, who are not
434
00:29:22,810 --> 00:29:27,690
only two giant men, but they're also two
giant personas and characters in the
435
00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:33,230
WWE. At some point, they were planning
on putting one of the world
436
00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:35,570
on him. Vince was going to push him to
the moon.
437
00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:39,800
The day of the dead man has come and
gone.
438
00:29:41,660 --> 00:29:48,660
The angle that we were working with The
Undertaker was going to
439
00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:50,600
build to a number one contenders match.
440
00:29:50,820 --> 00:29:56,440
And so I was told that the idea was that
I would beat The Undertaker, I would be
441
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:03,260
the number one contender to face
Batista, and it would be The Arab
442
00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:04,620
reigning champion Batista.
443
00:30:05,050 --> 00:30:09,630
In Washington, D .C., kind of like the
big F .U. to America, that was the plan
444
00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:10,930
that was ran by me.
445
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:14,410
Obviously, it didn't turn out that way,
but it was Daivari versus The
446
00:30:14,410 --> 00:30:16,970
Undertaker. Sean got the crap kicked out
of him.
447
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:21,250
Talk about a sacrifice.
448
00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:27,370
On the day the episode is set to
broadcast, real -world tragedy strike.
449
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,200
People streaming out of the station
covered in blood.
450
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,460
This was a highly sophisticated,
coordinated terrorist attack.
451
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,620
The London terrorist bombing that
occurred on July 7th that led to many,
452
00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:46,840
casualties broke on a Thursday morning.
So you have worldwide focus on this
453
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,840
terrorist attack.
454
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,800
And SmackDown was set to air later that
night with this very controversial
455
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:59,620
angle. So in the immediate aftermath,
WWE decides, It's going to run as is,
456
00:30:59,620 --> 00:31:02,920
they were going to add a crawl
throughout the show, essentially giving
457
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:03,920
to the audience.
458
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,960
I think they underestimated the amount
of scrutiny it was going to receive.
459
00:31:09,260 --> 00:31:14,980
The realism and the imagery all got tied
into what had happened in London.
460
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,800
It was Daivari versus The Undertaker,
and so Sean sacrificed himself, and I
461
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,840
just this evil look on my face that I
dropped to my knees.
462
00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:30,640
And I raise my hand and say, praise
Allah, and suddenly men come storming
463
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,640
from behind me.
464
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:32,680
Hit the ring.
465
00:31:34,060 --> 00:31:36,920
I do this, the beheading symbol.
466
00:31:37,740 --> 00:31:44,460
And then I come up. I get over the
467
00:31:44,460 --> 00:31:45,460
Undertaker.
468
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,340
And then I choke him out in a camel
clutch.
469
00:31:55,020 --> 00:32:00,160
And now you started really walking that
line of just like, is this guy a
470
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,520
terrorist at the end of the day?
471
00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:03,160
Terrorists behead people.
472
00:32:04,260 --> 00:32:08,480
And they had done it to a journalist,
Daniel Pearl, a couple of years earlier.
473
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:13,900
Also, one year prior, this American,
Nick Byrne, had been kidnapped.
474
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:20,500
and then was beheaded on camera by five
masked men, the same number that WWE
475
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:21,960
incorporated for this angle.
476
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,960
The masked men, they were almost like my
soldiers, and I was the leader of this
477
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,460
Islamic fundamentalist cult.
478
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,540
And then Sean ended up becoming our
martyr.
479
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:38,040
He's given what had been recognized as
an Islamic martyr's funeral in the sense
480
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:43,060
that the men in masks are carrying him
overhead, sacrificing his life for me.
481
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,640
That was really the scene that started
that controversy.
482
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:52,480
It was across the line. This was really
happening at that moment to Americans
483
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,540
and American allies.
484
00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:57,440
And people didn't want to see that kind
of shit on their wrestling program.
485
00:32:58,780 --> 00:33:02,600
And so this set off a firestorm of
backlash.
486
00:33:02,980 --> 00:33:07,100
UPN wanted nothing to do with this
character in light of the controversy.
487
00:33:08,170 --> 00:33:11,850
We had heat with sponsors, with Arab
groups.
488
00:33:12,370 --> 00:33:14,650
Everybody just said, enough is enough.
489
00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:20,130
And it was framed in how insensitive the
WWE is, using real -life tragic
490
00:33:20,130 --> 00:33:24,810
situations to sell a story. I didn't
agree with what we were doing at that
491
00:33:24,890 --> 00:33:26,930
I felt like we needed to scale back.
492
00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:32,570
In this particular instance... I told my
boss that I think this was the wrong
493
00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:36,030
way to go, and I didn't want to have
anything to do with it. I was demoted. I
494
00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:40,870
was stripped of almost all my
responsibilities, all because I spoke up
495
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:42,530
that I think this was wrong.
496
00:33:42,730 --> 00:33:44,110
As an American, I thought it was wrong.
497
00:33:44,390 --> 00:33:49,230
And then what happened was pressure
started to come down from the network,
498
00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:53,870
eventually UPN put enough pressure on
WWE, and they realized that they needed
499
00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:55,590
kill the character altogether.
500
00:33:56,170 --> 00:33:58,490
This could indeed be Muhammad Hassan.
501
00:33:59,130 --> 00:34:00,130
Last match.
502
00:34:07,150 --> 00:34:13,130
With the media and fans in an uproar,
Muhammad Hassan draws the wrong kind of
503
00:34:13,130 --> 00:34:17,790
attention. The network was really
worried about it, and they said, take
504
00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:21,929
characters off of SmackDown. I think
with the sponsors and the threats that
505
00:34:21,929 --> 00:34:26,590
had made, it slowly deteriorated into
something that I had realized was
506
00:34:26,590 --> 00:34:27,590
going to end my career.
507
00:34:28,090 --> 00:34:31,989
Chef, we are D doesn't want to air an ad
right after you martyr a wrestler.
508
00:34:32,330 --> 00:34:35,710
If there was no London bombing, the
direction we were headed, it would have
509
00:34:35,710 --> 00:34:39,790
become tasteless. Muhammad Hassan went
from this real life portrayal of an
510
00:34:39,790 --> 00:34:42,270
American. Judge me for me.
511
00:34:42,510 --> 00:34:46,630
To now relying more on his Islamic
background to get heat.
512
00:34:46,889 --> 00:34:51,030
I assure you that that sacrifice will
not go without its reward.
513
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:54,170
But it's sacrifice for the greater good.
514
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:55,389
I thought it was.
515
00:34:55,550 --> 00:34:59,590
Ironic that now we're stereotyping
Middle Easterns when we started off the
516
00:34:59,590 --> 00:35:03,070
character as being against that
stereotype and trying really hard to
517
00:35:03,070 --> 00:35:06,730
Muhammad Hassan a real character.
Someone who was born here, went to
518
00:35:06,730 --> 00:35:07,830
here, has a family here.
519
00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:12,810
I, for one, will not embrace a racist
nation.
520
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:16,730
Right around that time, I wanted to buy
a house.
521
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:22,110
And so I walk into a room off of
catering, and it's just me and there's
522
00:35:22,110 --> 00:35:24,650
A, the head of talent relations at the
time.
523
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:28,660
And I remember going and saying, Johnny,
you know, I'm just about to put an
524
00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:30,160
offer in on a house back home.
525
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,740
What's going to happen? And he looked me
dead in the eye and he said, don't buy
526
00:35:35,740 --> 00:35:36,740
the house.
527
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,840
And that's when I knew that we're not
going to be fighting this, that we were
528
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:42,840
done.
529
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,140
With sponsors and the network pressuring
the company to drop the character,
530
00:35:48,620 --> 00:35:50,620
Muhammad Hassan's fate is sealed.
531
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:53,340
We weren't allowed to be on TV.
532
00:35:53,980 --> 00:35:57,680
We weren't allowed to be on SmackDown or
Raw. The only thing we were allowed to
533
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,200
do was a pay -per -view.
534
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,440
My family was sitting in the front row
in Buffalo, New York, where I went to
535
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,800
school, where I first got the bug to
want to be a wrestler.
536
00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:09,260
Everything kind of came full circle.
537
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,860
And that was the last time I was going
to be in a WWE ring.
538
00:36:15,020 --> 00:36:19,020
I mean, if anybody was going to take me
out, having to be The Undertaker was an
539
00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:20,020
honor.
540
00:36:24,110 --> 00:36:28,790
My character was beat brutally.
541
00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:33,690
And then I was powerbombed through the
stage.
542
00:36:35,110 --> 00:36:40,810
This move called the last ride. And he
launches me, and when he drops me, I'm
543
00:36:40,810 --> 00:36:43,410
coming down at a much steeper angle than
I anticipated.
544
00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:50,770
Hit so hard on that single crash pad on
my neck that I flipped over and landed
545
00:36:50,770 --> 00:36:52,490
clean on my feet like an acrobat.
546
00:36:52,910 --> 00:36:55,830
So they put me down, they covered me
with cable wires, put blood out.
547
00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:59,650
I don't know how often that's happened
where a character has been murdered on
548
00:36:59,650 --> 00:37:00,990
national television brutally.
549
00:37:01,870 --> 00:37:04,990
And with that, Muhammad Hassan was never
seen again.
550
00:37:08,330 --> 00:37:12,910
That was it. And, you know, the weird
thing about that was typically after a
551
00:37:12,910 --> 00:37:16,490
show, you go back to the hotel. I was in
Buffalo, and I was home.
552
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:20,450
So I got in my car, and when the show
was over, I drove home.
553
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,420
I couldn't even begin to tell you the
thoughts that I was feeling.
554
00:37:26,180 --> 00:37:31,660
I don't know if it was relief, sadness,
disappointment.
555
00:37:35,860 --> 00:37:42,660
I definitely was heartbroken by what had
happened and heartbroken
556
00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:44,400
that everything that I had spent.
557
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:51,740
So much time and energy and dreamed and
everything that I had worked for was
558
00:37:51,740 --> 00:37:52,740
just gone.
559
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,680
It made no sense.
560
00:37:55,060 --> 00:37:59,560
He did what he was told because he was
being paid money and he had a dream job
561
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,620
that he wanted to fulfill.
562
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,900
And what they told him to do backfired.
They threw the baby and the bathwater
563
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:10,400
out the window and continued on rather
than tell Vince McMahon, you f*** this
564
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,960
guy up, you ought to make it up to him.
565
00:38:12,490 --> 00:38:17,210
He did everything he was told. He was
great at his job. And they let him go
566
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:18,210
it.
567
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:23,790
The end of my career with the WWE
launched me to a few years of my life
568
00:38:23,790 --> 00:38:26,210
had no direction. And I was lost.
569
00:38:26,430 --> 00:38:30,030
And I didn't know what I was going to
do. And I knew I would never get back
570
00:38:30,030 --> 00:38:31,030
I had.
571
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:36,730
And I couldn't rationalize it. And I
couldn't find reason for it.
572
00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:38,470
I do feel like...
573
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,300
Wrestling turned its back on me, and I
definitely turned my back on wrestling,
574
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,160
and I didn't want to look back at all.
575
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,780
I needed to change, and I didn't really
know how.
576
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,900
Fired from WWE and living in Los
Angeles, Mark Coppani steps away from
577
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:03,900
of wrestling.
578
00:39:04,580 --> 00:39:06,320
I was pretty secluded in L .A.
579
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,920
In the moment, it was survival mode. It
was living day by day.
580
00:39:11,380 --> 00:39:15,560
It was a level of depression that I
didn't recognize at the time. I don't
581
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:21,920
to say hopelessness, but just being
lost, and nothing was really going my
582
00:39:23,260 --> 00:39:25,500
Depressed, upset, frustrated.
583
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,260
You're on top of the world one week. The
next week, you're without a job.
584
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,450
Once that tide of momentum turns against
you, It's kind of hard to get it to
585
00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:36,510
swing the other way.
586
00:39:36,730 --> 00:39:42,430
The character came in so hot and had so
much attention that nobody thought it
587
00:39:42,430 --> 00:39:44,590
was going to be believable to bring me
back as anybody else.
588
00:39:45,590 --> 00:39:47,850
It's always like that one thing that
sticks in people's mind.
589
00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:50,550
You know, oh, that's the terrorist guy.
590
00:39:51,330 --> 00:39:56,370
Sadly, just a waste of a talent, really,
because he had so much potential to be
591
00:39:56,370 --> 00:39:57,510
like that big star.
592
00:39:57,830 --> 00:40:02,030
One of the defining moments for me with
that is I...
593
00:40:02,890 --> 00:40:07,910
I had come home for the holidays, just a
bit of a wreck. I was running low on
594
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:14,450
money. I remember being exhausted and
just saying to myself, you need to get
595
00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:15,450
some sleep.
596
00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:21,830
And then the thought occurred to me,
what if you don't wake up? What
597
00:40:21,830 --> 00:40:22,629
would it make?
598
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:23,810
What difference do you make?
599
00:40:25,350 --> 00:40:27,670
How many days have you wasted?
600
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:30,370
How many days have you wasted?
601
00:40:33,569 --> 00:40:37,950
Kind of just confronted with the reality
of where I was, not where I wanted to
602
00:40:37,950 --> 00:40:42,890
be, and that was the moment that I
decided I needed to make a radical
603
00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:46,110
my life. And it was a few months later
that I was going to college, working
604
00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:47,110
nights at UPS.
605
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:52,670
It was very humbling, and I found that
fire, that work ethic, that dedication,
606
00:40:53,050 --> 00:40:55,750
that passion, and I focused in on
another direction.
607
00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:59,260
I got my teaching certification and I
got my master's degree. I got a job
608
00:40:59,260 --> 00:41:00,660
teaching. Then I became a principal.
609
00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:03,260
I didn't stop and I haven't stopped
since.
610
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,560
So I don't waste days anymore.
611
00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:12,160
It wasn't until later that I realized I
was avoiding the pain and the heartbreak
612
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,520
that I had felt because of what had
happened.
613
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:20,560
With Muhammad Hassan behind him, Marcus
had years to reflect on the experience
614
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,860
of being one of wrestling's most
controversial villains.
615
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,260
It probably wasn't until almost a decade
later that I really started to
616
00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:33,820
appreciate the journey that I had had
and the career that I had had,
617
00:41:33,820 --> 00:41:36,740
of how it had ended. And at that point,
it didn't matter how it ended.
618
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,260
It's always easy to say, what if?
619
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:43,840
I think Muhammad Hassan's outcome was
set in stone from his very first promo.
620
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,840
This is no longer the land of the free.
621
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,660
And it has nothing to do with talent,
skill, ability, appearance.
622
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,560
It has to do with the culture we lived
in.
623
00:41:54,570 --> 00:41:58,830
I feel bad for Mark because the man was
talented. The man was good. The man was
624
00:41:58,830 --> 00:42:05,470
gifted. I will fulfill my destiny as the
first Arab American to be
625
00:42:05,470 --> 00:42:09,710
champion. I made the decisions to play
that character, and I've had to live
626
00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:13,650
it, and so I don't have any ill feelings
about it. I don't hold grudges. Just
627
00:42:13,650 --> 00:42:17,210
the fact that I got to experience that
and I got to live that, and I had
628
00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:22,870
it for so long, to make that dream a
reality, this is something that I am
629
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:23,870
proud of.
630
00:42:24,490 --> 00:42:28,810
But either way, that character was not
long for TV. The world was changing
631
00:42:28,810 --> 00:42:33,370
around us, and eventually the world
looked like it does today, where that
632
00:42:33,370 --> 00:42:38,230
of stereotypical, insensitive portrayal
of any nationality in this country is
633
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:39,430
frowned upon now, and it should be.
634
00:42:41,310 --> 00:42:47,190
Sean is an agent in the WWE now. Sean
has a great mind for wrestling, and he
635
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:51,150
just gets the storytelling aspect of
wrestling. I talk to Sean all the time,
636
00:42:51,150 --> 00:42:53,230
he's doing very well, and I couldn't be
prouder of him.
637
00:42:53,580 --> 00:42:58,580
To be honest, it worked out better for
Mark because in the intervening 20
638
00:42:58,740 --> 00:43:03,560
he's had a normal job in a normal place.
He's highly thought of in the
639
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,240
community. He's probably been better off
in the long run than all the crazy shit
640
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:10,380
he would have gone through in 20 years
in the wrestling business.
641
00:43:10,620 --> 00:43:11,800
So I'm happy for him.
642
00:43:12,020 --> 00:43:15,360
If I could go back and do it all again,
I absolutely would do it.
643
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:18,100
I'm the man I am today because of those
experiences.
644
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,000
Muhammad Hassan didn't define who I am.
645
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,860
That character stays in 2004, 2005.
646
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,260
Everything that's happened since is me.
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00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,700
Now I'm the director of human resources
in a small city school district, and I
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impact over 3 ,000 kids every day. And
the only way I had gotten to this point
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is because of the epic failure that I
had had and that realization that it
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doesn't matter what your dreams were. It
doesn't matter how it ended. You always
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have a second chance.
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I don't think my best days are behind
me. I think that they're in front of me.
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I'm still looking forward to doing some
big things.
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