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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,440 The standoff took place this morning in front of this house after police say 2 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,220 they responded to reports of a shooting. 85 -year -old Jeanette B. Kraft was 3 00:00:13,220 --> 00:00:17,040 killed yesterday morning at a home. You want to say that nothing in wrestling 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,140 surprises you? 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,920 The former professional wrestler is now accused of shooting and killing his 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,220 wife. That's surprising. 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,480 And then all of a sudden the news broke. 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:29,340 It's Billy Jack. 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:34,340 He just electrifies the crowd and they love him. What? Billy Jack did what? 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,920 I could have believed it, but I didn't. I didn't want to believe it. 11 00:00:38,180 --> 00:00:39,900 Billy Jack Haynes! 12 00:00:40,220 --> 00:00:45,700 Years before this shocking crime, Billy Jack Haynes had lived the dream, rising 13 00:00:45,700 --> 00:00:49,620 from Oregon's regional circuit to stardom in wrestling's golden age of the 14 00:00:49,620 --> 00:00:53,860 1980s. Portland, Oregon, Billy Jack Haynes! 15 00:00:54,140 --> 00:00:58,900 Billy Jack had everything, all the tools to be a top professional wrestler. 16 00:01:02,269 --> 00:01:07,910 His career was in reverse. He started as a star, and he finished as a nobody. 17 00:01:08,330 --> 00:01:13,890 But Billy Jack's dealings outside the ring hinted at a mysterious life, one 18 00:01:13,890 --> 00:01:16,310 almost too extraordinary to believe. 19 00:01:16,710 --> 00:01:20,610 Billy said he had been involved in the drug business as a collector and 20 00:01:20,610 --> 00:01:25,110 enforcer. When I was in Portland, I was about a kilo a day cocaine dealer. 21 00:01:25,430 --> 00:01:27,170 Billy has made many, many claims. 22 00:01:27,740 --> 00:01:31,840 I was contracted to go down there to kill two Arkansas State police officers. 23 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,000 You don't know fact from fiction with Billy Jack Haynes. I kept that secret 24 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,000 everybody. 25 00:01:38,140 --> 00:01:43,160 Now, as the former star faces murder charges, those who knew Billy Jack 26 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,000 look back on the road that led him here. 27 00:01:45,260 --> 00:01:47,220 So Billy Jack was his own worst enemy. 28 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:48,640 He didn't even know it. 29 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,200 He was a loaded gun, brother. You never know what he's thinking. 30 00:01:52,740 --> 00:01:56,860 You know, a lot of guys fall hard in wrestling, but he fell harder than most. 31 00:01:57,130 --> 00:01:58,130 without a doubt. 32 00:02:26,990 --> 00:02:27,990 What did he do? 33 00:02:28,670 --> 00:02:33,590 People now in the present day are trying to go back because of what's happened 34 00:02:33,590 --> 00:02:36,150 with Billy and trying to figure out where did this start? 35 00:02:36,550 --> 00:02:42,750 We knew one day Billy Jack would do something crazy, but we never thought it 36 00:02:42,750 --> 00:02:43,750 would be that crazy. 37 00:02:43,910 --> 00:02:46,270 It shot me, and then again it didn't. 38 00:02:46,730 --> 00:02:48,690 And I don't know if you can understand that. 39 00:02:49,450 --> 00:02:53,550 That's one thing where when Billy messed up, he messed up. 40 00:02:54,430 --> 00:02:55,450 Final mess up. 41 00:02:56,430 --> 00:03:01,170 I guess if you took everything and laid it on the table, you could see it coming 42 00:03:01,170 --> 00:03:02,170 up. 43 00:03:03,030 --> 00:03:07,690 Before his recent murder charge, Billy Jack's past reveals other crimes, 44 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:10,530 including two assault charges before he's 30. 45 00:03:10,950 --> 00:03:15,270 But the same mean streak that gets him into trouble also creates new 46 00:03:15,270 --> 00:03:17,230 opportunities in the wrestling business. 47 00:03:18,030 --> 00:03:19,870 Billy Jack Haynes was a thug. 48 00:03:20,170 --> 00:03:24,230 He was a street fighter. He was a boxer, a wrestler. 49 00:03:24,920 --> 00:03:26,240 Tough guy, don't get me wrong. 50 00:03:27,340 --> 00:03:32,440 My dad found him as a gym rat, and he's below that now. 51 00:03:33,580 --> 00:03:36,340 All his bios say he was trained by Stu Hart. 52 00:03:36,740 --> 00:03:41,660 Stu Hart threw him out of Canada because he was too rough and beat all his boys 53 00:03:41,660 --> 00:03:42,659 up. 54 00:03:42,660 --> 00:03:47,520 So he was back being a gym rat in Portland, Oregon when my dad and the 55 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:48,940 Dave Sierra found him. 56 00:03:49,260 --> 00:03:52,660 Well, he came to the Portland Sports Arena looking for work. 57 00:03:53,130 --> 00:03:55,150 And we got him hooked up. 58 00:03:55,550 --> 00:03:59,710 He looked unreal. He was like, you know, jacked to the match. 59 00:04:01,890 --> 00:04:08,150 Me and Rip the Crippler Oliver talked to promoter Don Owens into using him. We 60 00:04:08,150 --> 00:04:13,050 knew with that size body and his home being the Pacific Northwest that we can 61 00:04:13,050 --> 00:04:14,130 draw money with him. 62 00:04:14,870 --> 00:04:19,870 Billy Jack Haynes. He fit the part, and everybody was giving him a chance. 63 00:04:20,950 --> 00:04:22,390 In 1982, 64 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,720 Billy rockets to the top with a persona tailor -made for fans in the Pacific 65 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,980 Northwest. Billy Jack's gimmick and look came from the movie Billy Jack, 66 00:04:33,220 --> 00:04:38,200 starring Tom Laughlin, about the ex -serviceman who was a karate expert and 67 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,200 loner. 68 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,360 He was a dangerous man, but soft -spoken, but don't cross him. 69 00:04:43,980 --> 00:04:49,180 Billy Jack, whose look, physique, the aura, and the presence he had, the fans 70 00:04:49,180 --> 00:04:50,440 went crazy for him. 71 00:04:50,700 --> 00:04:53,140 like he was their very own hometown movie star. 72 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,640 The Portland, Oregon boy is coming out victorious! 73 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,380 So Billy Jack was a very effective babyface promo guy for Portland, Oregon. 74 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,200 Thank you, everybody in Portland, for supporting me. I love you. Thank you. 75 00:05:06,140 --> 00:05:11,260 Nice guy, loved his father, loved Oregon, loved Portland. You know what I 76 00:05:11,300 --> 00:05:15,320 And he was Billy Jack from the movie, trying to get revenge on these different 77 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,620 heels. Make a little bit more noise, and I'll get it for you. Let's go! 78 00:05:19,590 --> 00:05:22,930 Everyone knew he was the rising star. You know, the 80s was all about the 79 00:05:23,370 --> 00:05:24,370 He had the look. 80 00:05:24,530 --> 00:05:28,710 And I'm sure all the fans here are going to like this man, Billy Jack Haynes. 81 00:05:28,790 --> 00:05:32,970 What a fantastic build on this young man, Johnny. They loved him, you know. 82 00:05:33,030 --> 00:05:37,410 Every time Billy Jack was on the card, sold out. From the time he first stepped 83 00:05:37,410 --> 00:05:40,370 foot in the ring, he was featured. He was pushed by the promoters. 84 00:05:40,750 --> 00:05:41,750 Small territory? 85 00:05:42,010 --> 00:05:42,749 Pushed him. 86 00:05:42,750 --> 00:05:44,070 Went to a bigger territory? 87 00:05:44,450 --> 00:05:45,449 Pushed him. 88 00:05:45,450 --> 00:05:49,690 I know Billy Jack Haynes from the territory days when he came to Florida 89 00:05:49,690 --> 00:05:50,690 Temperature Wrestling. 90 00:05:50,850 --> 00:05:55,370 He was pretty laid back, kind of a low -key guy and a loner. 91 00:05:56,810 --> 00:06:01,710 My name's Bill Fonte Alfonso, and I've been in the wrestling business for 45 92 00:06:01,710 --> 00:06:02,730 years. 93 00:06:04,990 --> 00:06:09,190 I don't want to use the word oddball, but he was kind of different from all 94 00:06:09,190 --> 00:06:10,190 wrestlers. 95 00:06:11,690 --> 00:06:15,430 We'd go out to the after party, have cocktails and drink and smoke a joint 96 00:06:15,430 --> 00:06:21,490 so on. Billy Jack would go with the fans and their kids to pizza and have pizza 97 00:06:21,490 --> 00:06:22,369 with them. 98 00:06:22,370 --> 00:06:25,190 The fans loved him. He loved the fans. 99 00:06:25,490 --> 00:06:26,490 He was committed. 100 00:06:27,830 --> 00:06:33,170 After just four years of working in smaller promotions, Billy Jack Haynes 101 00:06:33,170 --> 00:06:37,430 the call in 1986 from Vince McMahon's World Wrestling Federation. 102 00:06:38,380 --> 00:06:44,700 From Portland, Oregon. If you wanted to go deep into Vince McMahon's mind and 103 00:06:44,700 --> 00:06:49,040 create a professional wrestler based on what he thought they should look like, 104 00:06:49,740 --> 00:06:50,880 Billy Jack was the guy. 105 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:54,360 Now I'm here in the WWF. It's the World Wrestling Federation. 106 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,140 And believe me, I know full well this is where the stiffest and the toughest 107 00:06:58,140 --> 00:06:59,140 competition is. 108 00:06:59,620 --> 00:07:04,980 He wrestled in that Detroit WrestleMania they had over 100 ,000 people show up. 109 00:07:05,220 --> 00:07:07,120 Billy Jack! Hey! 110 00:07:07,950 --> 00:07:10,830 For a wrestler, that's the top of the mountain. 111 00:07:14,930 --> 00:07:21,750 Billy needed a tag 112 00:07:21,750 --> 00:07:24,730 team partner to elevate his persona. 113 00:07:25,110 --> 00:07:28,250 So it worked out good. It worked out real good. 114 00:07:28,730 --> 00:07:34,970 This is Ken Patera coming straight at you. And I used to wrestle with Billy 115 00:07:34,970 --> 00:07:35,970 Haynes. 116 00:07:37,100 --> 00:07:40,920 His appearance was, don't with me. How's that? 117 00:07:44,140 --> 00:07:47,220 Well, we weren't told anything about the gimmick. 118 00:07:47,660 --> 00:07:54,240 Pat Patterson came in the locker room and said, well, we got chainsaws and you 119 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,520 guys are the Oregon Lumberjacks now. 120 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:03,920 And they wanted us to crank those chainsaws up so they were actually 121 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,740 I said, are you... 122 00:08:06,170 --> 00:08:12,370 I'm not going to turn this chainsaw on, you know, so somebody could get an arm 123 00:08:12,370 --> 00:08:13,370 cut off. 124 00:08:16,510 --> 00:08:23,350 Billy had a super nice personality and everything, soft spoken and whatnot. 125 00:08:23,890 --> 00:08:26,370 The nicest guy you'd ever want to meet. 126 00:08:28,170 --> 00:08:33,549 But the gloss wears off after a while. 127 00:08:35,210 --> 00:08:39,510 All respects, Billy Jack had a fantastic body, stayed in shape. But upstairs, 128 00:08:39,789 --> 00:08:41,150 brother, that's a different story. 129 00:08:41,490 --> 00:08:45,850 Everyone knows me in pro wrestling as the grappler. I wrestled Billy Jack 130 00:08:45,850 --> 00:08:46,870 many times. 131 00:08:48,030 --> 00:08:50,450 He's one of those guys you never know what he's going to try. 132 00:08:51,470 --> 00:08:52,950 I never could trust him. 133 00:08:53,370 --> 00:08:56,290 He's always the side, you know, he's mad about something and all of a sudden 134 00:08:56,290 --> 00:08:57,290 knocks the hell out of you. 135 00:08:59,230 --> 00:09:01,870 He was an off -the -hinge type character. 136 00:09:07,910 --> 00:09:11,650 His finishing maneuver would be the full Nelson, and once he locked that full 137 00:09:11,650 --> 00:09:14,390 Nelson in you, you felt like he was going to break your neck. 138 00:09:16,770 --> 00:09:23,770 Once you gave up, he would just sling you, I mean, like a piece 139 00:09:23,770 --> 00:09:24,990 of trash to the side. 140 00:09:28,050 --> 00:09:31,130 In the locker room, he had a reputation for boom. 141 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,000 I could see in his eyes he was like a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I've seen him 142 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,120 snap several times. 143 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:39,640 One night we're in Florida. 144 00:09:39,900 --> 00:09:43,580 The match is over, and Percy Pringle was Roode's manager. 145 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,920 And Billy Jack came in, and he didn't like the way the finish went. He walks 146 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,080 and slaps the piss out of Percy Pringle. 147 00:09:50,420 --> 00:09:52,920 He goes, this guy screwed up the finish, you idiot. 148 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,380 That was his mentality. That's the way he handled things. 149 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,300 We did a show, and Smirnoff pulled a fire alarm. 150 00:10:00,500 --> 00:10:01,520 Got us in trouble. 151 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,520 Next thing I know, Billy done face -locked, smeared off, smeared off, went 152 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:07,520 the bathroom himself. 153 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:09,300 It was so bad. 154 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:15,900 In Tampa, some smart -ass guy was checking Billy Jack out. Said, oh, all 155 00:10:15,900 --> 00:10:18,280 fake bullshit, I could kick ass. 156 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:23,240 I remember snatching him in the headlock and punching him in the face about 20 157 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:24,360 times really quick. 158 00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:26,680 Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. 159 00:10:26,940 --> 00:10:30,740 He'd beat the hell out of the person and then kick right out of it like nothing 160 00:10:30,740 --> 00:10:34,840 happened. He did it because he could. I mean, right there, I've noticed this 161 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:35,719 guy's a bully. 162 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,600 He takes on who he knows he can handle. You know, so I didn't respect that. 163 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:46,520 He went to jail on two or three occasions, I believe, for beating people 164 00:10:47,180 --> 00:10:50,000 But he always said they deserved it. 165 00:10:51,700 --> 00:10:54,000 Oregon men don't back down to nobody. 166 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:59,100 You know, he's got a heart, but then he's got the other side, you know, where 167 00:10:59,100 --> 00:11:00,140 you screw him over. 168 00:11:00,590 --> 00:11:03,170 He'll come in your house, pull you out, beat you to death. 169 00:11:06,350 --> 00:11:10,970 I would never think that the Billy Jack that I knew in the 80s would have ended 170 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:11,970 up doing what he did. 171 00:11:15,730 --> 00:11:20,030 Police have now confirmed a woman was found dead and a man was taken into 172 00:11:20,030 --> 00:11:23,010 custody after an hours -long police standoff. 173 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,700 There's a whole lot that people don't know about me. 174 00:11:45,180 --> 00:11:47,460 And the law isn't always right. 175 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:49,960 The law isn't always wrong. 176 00:11:52,780 --> 00:11:55,060 Believe half the way you hear and nothing the way you see. 177 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:04,040 I'm Billy Jack Haynes from the World 178 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,500 Wrestling Federation and a 14 -year pro. 179 00:12:07,460 --> 00:12:08,520 Good to talk to you. 180 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,340 Right now, I'm in the Loma County Justice Center jail. 181 00:12:19,940 --> 00:12:21,660 I've been incarcerated six months. 182 00:12:22,180 --> 00:12:26,420 What I'm talking to you guys today about is one small percentage of my life, and 183 00:12:26,420 --> 00:12:29,640 there's a whole big part of my life I'm leaving out here. The position I'm in 184 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,180 right now, it's hard for me to bring up anything and talk about it. 185 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,800 And I have my attorney out there, so I'm glad that he's here today. 186 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,360 It's a second -degree murder. 187 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:44,420 And it's just way overcharged, and that didn't happen. 188 00:12:46,930 --> 00:12:51,110 There's only really two human beings I really love. That was my father, who was 189 00:12:51,110 --> 00:12:52,690 blind and in a wheelchair. 190 00:12:53,250 --> 00:12:58,850 And then the other was my wife, who allegedly I murdered, which you're going 191 00:12:58,850 --> 00:12:59,850 find I didn't. 192 00:12:59,930 --> 00:13:02,450 And I loved her more than life. 193 00:13:07,330 --> 00:13:09,210 Coal resting isn't work. We all know that. 194 00:13:10,190 --> 00:13:12,330 But we took it real serious back when we were in it. 195 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,720 Look at the blood just spewing out of the forehead. 196 00:13:17,060 --> 00:13:20,760 I don't want to be negative towards anybody in this industry. You know, I 197 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,860 I respect the wrestlers so much. But, you know, they don't know me. 198 00:13:26,140 --> 00:13:30,920 Throughout his wrestling career, Billy Jack Haynes remains distant, private to 199 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,080 the point of secrecy. 200 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,800 He was not the life of the party, the life of the locker room. He wasn't 201 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,460 friends hand over fist. 202 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:41,900 He was just that big guy over there. It's like something's going on. 203 00:13:42,670 --> 00:13:48,450 Billy Jack was a true loner. Then I realized he was very manipulative. 204 00:13:49,030 --> 00:13:54,430 He always had an agenda, and you never knew what he was up to. 205 00:13:56,470 --> 00:13:59,250 We'd go check in at the hotel there. 206 00:13:59,510 --> 00:14:01,470 Five minutes later, Billy would be gone. 207 00:14:01,830 --> 00:14:05,610 And he did that every night. I didn't know what he was doing. 208 00:14:08,650 --> 00:14:14,450 At that time, I was really heavy into the narcotics, into the painkillers. 209 00:14:15,230 --> 00:14:19,910 Uppers, lowers, I mean, you name it, you couldn't survive without it. I was five 210 00:14:19,910 --> 00:14:21,270 days a week in and out of airports. 211 00:14:22,870 --> 00:14:23,870 Different cities. 212 00:14:26,010 --> 00:14:27,330 340 nights a year. 213 00:14:28,770 --> 00:14:32,190 I took 20, sometimes 25 pills a day. 214 00:14:33,310 --> 00:14:36,650 Vicodin, Percocet. It got in the way of resting on my life. 215 00:14:37,230 --> 00:14:40,030 All you beautiful children, drugs are negative. 216 00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:43,870 You are a positive influence for the world. I love you very much. Say no to 217 00:14:43,870 --> 00:14:44,870 drugs. 218 00:14:44,970 --> 00:14:47,130 Drugs are no good, you know. It's not good. 219 00:14:48,990 --> 00:14:53,450 Well, we're at the Oakland Coliseum in a tag team. 220 00:14:54,150 --> 00:14:55,350 Time for the match. 221 00:14:56,010 --> 00:14:57,550 Billy's nowhere to be found. 222 00:14:57,890 --> 00:15:02,930 About an hour later, all the matches were over, and here comes Billy. 223 00:15:03,870 --> 00:15:05,190 Oh, he looked like hell. 224 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,640 I said, Billy, you missed the match. 225 00:15:09,180 --> 00:15:10,640 Completely out of it. 226 00:15:12,820 --> 00:15:18,480 McMahon said that he was going to give us a big push, and I think we can throw 227 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:19,480 that out the window. 228 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,520 How did it come to an end at WWF in your run? 229 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,400 Oh, yeah, yeah. 230 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,760 What did you think about that on the plane? 231 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,340 Did he let you talk about that? 232 00:15:36,380 --> 00:15:37,900 Well, it happened. 233 00:15:41,340 --> 00:15:45,940 Now, what I heard is that he overdosed on some codeine, I think. 234 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,420 He was foaming at the mouth. He was jerking. 235 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,200 We had that murky landing. 236 00:15:50,540 --> 00:15:52,060 They thought he was dying. 237 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:58,880 I was this close away from death, and they had to jumpstart me twice, and I'd 238 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,480 gone. You know, and with WWF, I mean, it's like they don't want that bad 239 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,940 publicity getting out. You know what I mean? And that was the final straw. 240 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,300 He was never in the top spot in WrestleMania. 241 00:16:08,820 --> 00:16:12,140 He was never a major singles champion. 242 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:16,100 And after about a year and a half, he was fired by the WWF. 243 00:16:18,260 --> 00:16:22,680 Returning to Portland, Billy Jack shocks his former colleagues by turning on the 244 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:23,780 promoter who made him. 245 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:29,640 But everybody knows that the state of Oregon has the number one wrestling fan 246 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:30,199 the world. 247 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:36,240 The Oregon Wrestling Federation is what Billy Jack wanted to open so he could be 248 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,400 Vince McMahon of the Pacific Northwest. 249 00:16:38,740 --> 00:16:39,960 That was his word. 250 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,920 OWF was going to be his baby. 251 00:16:43,300 --> 00:16:47,760 We said, Billy, Don Owens made you, and now you're opening a company against 252 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:48,760 him? 253 00:16:49,220 --> 00:16:53,260 And I couldn't believe it. You got to have money to back that. 254 00:16:54,020 --> 00:16:55,180 sponsors and all that. 255 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,480 You know, somebody's got some deep pockets if you want to try to do that. 256 00:16:58,780 --> 00:17:03,860 I was there two weeks, and the shows that were running weren't drawing 257 00:17:04,020 --> 00:17:06,780 There was a couple hundred people in the audience, so it kind of fizzed out 258 00:17:06,780 --> 00:17:12,119 pretty quick. And I got a check on Friday, and he said, Ponzi, can you 259 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:13,839 not cash it until Monday? 260 00:17:14,060 --> 00:17:15,599 So I knew I was in trouble. 261 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,460 And I went right to the bank and cashed it, and I left. 262 00:17:19,579 --> 00:17:22,440 Finally, one day we come in. He said, I'm closing, guys. 263 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,160 And that was it. 264 00:17:24,220 --> 00:17:27,599 The collapse of the Oregon Wrestling Federation was pretty spectacular. 265 00:17:28,140 --> 00:17:32,300 Billy Jack Haynes really left a lot of guys hanging, and there was a lot of bad 266 00:17:32,300 --> 00:17:36,580 blood. It hurt Billy's reputation with a lot of people. 267 00:17:36,780 --> 00:17:41,840 That was my bad due to the fact that my head wasn't screwed on right, and 268 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,700 probably a little bit to do with the pills, too. 269 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,880 Struggling with addiction and running out of allies. 270 00:17:49,450 --> 00:17:54,310 In 1996, Haynes' once promising career crashes to a halt. 271 00:17:55,390 --> 00:18:00,270 Just a shame and a pity because he had to whirl by the stream. 272 00:18:00,590 --> 00:18:04,990 He never became the star to the magnitude of what people had predicted. 273 00:18:05,450 --> 00:18:10,830 By the time his wrestling career was over, nobody trusted him, and all that 274 00:18:10,830 --> 00:18:13,190 potential just dribbled away with it. 275 00:18:14,380 --> 00:18:18,900 Though his wrestling days may be over, it doesn't take long for Billy Jack to 276 00:18:18,900 --> 00:18:20,780 find his way back into the spotlight. 277 00:18:21,820 --> 00:18:26,480 He's a little strange, a little standoffish, sometimes a little off 278 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:32,320 whatever. He's kind of weird. And suddenly you saw him a few years later 279 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,760 there started to be this change. 280 00:18:35,140 --> 00:18:39,620 In retirement, Billy Jack hits the interview circuit revealing a shocking 281 00:18:39,620 --> 00:18:41,800 detail. While in wrestling... 282 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,880 He'd been living a secret double life of crime. 283 00:18:46,700 --> 00:18:50,920 Starting way back in the 70s, I was about a kilo a day cocaine dealer, and I 284 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,520 kept that secret from everybody. 285 00:18:52,940 --> 00:18:56,900 I just wanted to go in and actually do something in the pro wrestling industry 286 00:18:56,900 --> 00:19:00,860 instead of a drug runner, leg breaker, and worse. 287 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:06,280 I mean, making 30 grand a week, I lit a lot of guys up, and a lot of guys got 288 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,140 addicted to the cocaine that I sold them. 289 00:19:08,540 --> 00:19:11,720 Very nefarious things went on back in the 80s. 290 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:14,280 In 2017, 291 00:19:14,980 --> 00:19:19,880 Billy Jack makes an even more shocking claim, linking himself to a famous 292 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,100 unsolved murder. 293 00:19:21,700 --> 00:19:25,860 It's been over 30 years since two teenage boys were found dead on these 294 00:19:25,860 --> 00:19:29,360 in Saline County. The tracks are still here, and so is the mystery regarding 295 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:31,960 what happened. What's new is the witnesses come forward. 296 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,240 I helped put the kids on the tracks. They were already dead. They'd been 297 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,240 murdered. 298 00:19:42,410 --> 00:19:46,590 Well, over 30 years ago, a Union Pacific train ran over two Saline County 299 00:19:46,590 --> 00:19:50,470 teenagers. The deaths of Kevin Ives and Don Henry have become one of Arkansas' 300 00:19:50,610 --> 00:19:51,930 most notorious mysteries. 301 00:19:52,330 --> 00:19:58,870 There was a famous murder case in Arkansas back in the 80s where these two 302 00:19:58,870 --> 00:20:04,510 teenage boys were run over by a train, is what they thought originally 303 00:20:05,370 --> 00:20:11,230 In the pre -dawn hours of August 23rd, 1987, a 75 -car cargo train made its 304 00:20:11,230 --> 00:20:13,290 regular night run to Little Rock, Arkansas. 305 00:20:13,610 --> 00:20:18,350 Its engineer, Stephen Shroyd, drew closer. He made the horrifying discovery 306 00:20:18,350 --> 00:20:21,590 two boys were lying motionless across the railroad tracks. 307 00:20:22,650 --> 00:20:26,910 Well, then somebody else investigated, found that they had been beaten, they 308 00:20:26,910 --> 00:20:29,510 injuries. They weren't just run over by a train. 309 00:20:29,970 --> 00:20:32,590 Then Billy Jack started claiming... 310 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:39,600 That he was there and saw the murder because these two teenagers wandered 311 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:40,600 drug deal. 312 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:49,940 His story, the drug people wanted him to supervise the drug drop and payoff to 313 00:20:49,940 --> 00:20:51,480 make sure that everything goes OK. 314 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,540 And he was going to videotape it also. 315 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,380 And he said, I wore a wrestling mask. 316 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,280 I've been around the dope game for a long time. 317 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:06,000 I went down there by myself after I wrestled King Kong Bundy. We went to the 318 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,680 tracks. The drop was made. 319 00:21:08,820 --> 00:21:12,940 Apparently, these kids wandered up on it, and as a result, the drug people 320 00:21:12,940 --> 00:21:15,460 killed them and put them on the railroad tracks. 321 00:21:16,380 --> 00:21:18,620 They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. 322 00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:21,800 I helped put the kids on the tracks. No, I was there. 323 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,280 I helped. 324 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,300 They'd been murdered. They were already dead. 325 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,020 The judge is going to come out to this woman, Linda Ayers, to have a light. 326 00:21:32,110 --> 00:21:36,850 Billy Jack's claims about the unsolved murders are taken seriously by the 327 00:21:36,850 --> 00:21:40,930 of one of the victims, as well as by the family's private investigator. 328 00:21:41,730 --> 00:21:45,410 I mean, there is no good reason to insert yourself into a murder case. 329 00:21:45,850 --> 00:21:48,390 He has nothing to gain and everything to lose. 330 00:21:48,690 --> 00:21:53,910 He's put himself in jeopardy, not only his freedom, but also his life. They're 331 00:21:53,910 --> 00:21:55,730 hopeful that law enforcement will now take a look. 332 00:22:08,170 --> 00:22:13,450 As Billy Jack continued sharing his story, other details sound increasingly 333 00:22:13,450 --> 00:22:14,450 unbelievable. 334 00:22:15,170 --> 00:22:17,930 There was drops that were being stolen, cocaine drops. 335 00:22:18,150 --> 00:22:23,370 I was sent down there to take care of two state police officers from Arkansas. 336 00:22:23,730 --> 00:22:25,790 But it was an inside job. 337 00:22:26,290 --> 00:22:31,330 He told me that he was running with one of the biggest drug dealers in the 338 00:22:31,330 --> 00:22:35,910 country. I've dealt drugs at the highest level you can. That's uncut coke. 339 00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:39,450 Well, in the beginning, when I first started hearing the stories, I thought, 340 00:22:39,490 --> 00:22:40,490 come on, Billy, really? 341 00:22:40,930 --> 00:22:43,890 But when it gets right down to it, he can prove it. 342 00:22:44,350 --> 00:22:48,630 He brought it all out in an interview on several occasions, as a matter of fact. 343 00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:53,550 The things that he said about it and all this stuff is all verifiable, but 344 00:22:53,550 --> 00:22:54,730 that's about all I can say about it. 345 00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:56,810 I can't talk about it. 346 00:22:58,990 --> 00:23:02,150 I'd love to, but I can't. But haven't you told that story so many times? 347 00:23:02,770 --> 00:23:04,730 I wish I could talk to you guys. I can't. 348 00:23:06,170 --> 00:23:08,150 Well, can you tell me without getting into details? 349 00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:09,430 Is it true? 350 00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:14,310 Did you hear that? 351 00:23:15,390 --> 00:23:17,910 That is probably a subject you should move on. 352 00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:20,530 Leave it alone. 353 00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:35,960 As Billy Jack's interview appearances become more frequent, His claims extend 354 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,720 far beyond drug dealing and the boys on the track. 355 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,720 And many begin to wonder what's behind it. 356 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:49,620 He looked completely 357 00:23:49,620 --> 00:23:55,980 ridiculous. And then he had this white hair, but it was like a mop top cut, 358 00:23:55,980 --> 00:23:57,960 he was Pete Best, the fifth Beatle. 359 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,280 My mother and my uncle, when I was 15, were both murdered. There was two 360 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,280 politicians. 361 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,440 that were involved. 362 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:12,000 And he started concocting these stories where he was in the middle of a variety 363 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,840 of newsworthy events. 364 00:24:14,340 --> 00:24:20,100 Andy Gibb had a gig in San Francisco, and one of my first big deliveries was 365 00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:21,820 there to the concert. 366 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:27,080 I delivered one kilo to him, July 31st, 1978. 367 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,740 Some say, well, he knows stuff that nobody else knows. 368 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,180 Well, the dude studies shit, I can tell you that. 369 00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:34,800 And that's how nutty he was. 370 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,800 He don't have nothing better to do but to try to find his way to make himself 371 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,940 back in the scene. 372 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:45,540 I had cocaine from the leading cartel in Columbia. So I started making more 373 00:24:45,540 --> 00:24:48,300 money. The Clintons are involved too. 374 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,600 Well, now, was he a drug enforcer for the Clintons? 375 00:24:51,940 --> 00:24:58,260 Why the f*** would Bill Clinton call Billy Jack Haynes? Yeah, that's stupid. 376 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,700 I took it for a grand assault. 377 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,500 He had to be on some good drugs to think that. 378 00:25:06,020 --> 00:25:10,940 But then the question becomes, where was the bizarre behavior originating? 379 00:25:11,620 --> 00:25:16,460 Conspiracy theories and being the Forrest Gump of crime, it not only 380 00:25:16,460 --> 00:25:20,400 preposterous, but there was no upside to him. It was just interviews and being 381 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,640 done with this kooky old man that people would put up on the Internet. 382 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,920 I've wanted to know who my real dad is for a long time, whether it's Lenny 383 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:34,080 Montana, whether it's... Vince McMahon Sr., which it could have been, because 384 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,560 supposedly had sex with my mother. 385 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,180 This Sr. could be my father. There's a long history to that. I don't know if we 386 00:25:39,180 --> 00:25:40,180 can get into it today or not. 387 00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:43,220 Claiming to be the son of Vince McMahon Sr., you know, aside from being 388 00:25:43,220 --> 00:25:48,620 ridiculous, that's unbelievable that someone even tried to pass that off. 389 00:25:49,580 --> 00:25:53,980 When I heard stuff like that, I would say, man, Billy's really losing it. 390 00:25:53,980 --> 00:25:59,340 causing Billy Jack to make up stuff that's obviously not true? 391 00:25:59,990 --> 00:26:04,810 9 -11 was an inside job, no question about it. All you have to do in this 392 00:26:04,810 --> 00:26:06,310 is follow the money. 393 00:26:06,750 --> 00:26:10,770 So this isn't going to make the Bush family too happy, but they're involved 394 00:26:11,550 --> 00:26:18,530 He did look like someone that would say anything just to be on a podcast, get 395 00:26:18,530 --> 00:26:20,450 more money out of that podcast. 396 00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:24,910 I'm not afraid to come in front of this camera and tell you the truth. 397 00:26:25,150 --> 00:26:27,870 And either you're going to believe it or you're not going to believe it. 398 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:34,020 The idea was if you tell crazy stories, there will be an appetite for more, even 399 00:26:34,020 --> 00:26:35,020 though it's all bullshit. 400 00:26:35,220 --> 00:26:37,200 You're probably going to be looking at a dead man. 401 00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:39,760 Maybe by the time this video gets out. 402 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,740 Everything I've said can get me killed. 403 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:44,920 Everything I've said with Vince can get me killed. 404 00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:50,380 One preposterous thing in wrestling can be true. With some people, a couple of 405 00:26:50,380 --> 00:26:52,000 preposterous things can be true. 406 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,440 But when you're just pulling shit out of your ass over and over. 407 00:26:57,230 --> 00:27:00,550 then even if one or two of those things is true, nobody's going to believe them. 408 00:27:02,590 --> 00:27:07,810 Amid all of the astonishing claims Billy Jack makes, at least one truth stands 409 00:27:07,810 --> 00:27:08,810 out. 410 00:27:09,530 --> 00:27:13,910 January 10, 2006, there was attempted murder on me. 411 00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:22,490 Once again, I'm speaking for the people. 412 00:27:22,750 --> 00:27:26,170 Onto the ground right now, they can't speak for themselves. So let me do it, 413 00:27:26,190 --> 00:27:32,690 please. From 2006 to 2023, Billy Jack Haynes makes a series of shocking 414 00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:35,310 statements and explosive accusations. 415 00:27:35,950 --> 00:27:37,370 Vincent K. McMahon. 416 00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:40,290 I call it Vincent Killer McMahon. 417 00:27:40,730 --> 00:27:42,390 Yeah, that's right. You're a killer. 418 00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:47,770 Though many of Billy Jack's stories are dismissed as conspiracy theories, a 419 00:27:47,770 --> 00:27:53,590 violent incident in 2006 suggests that Billy Jack's ties to organized crime may 420 00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:54,590 be legitimate. 421 00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:59,250 This is the file from the work I did 16 years ago. 422 00:27:59,630 --> 00:28:05,550 Police reports, letters from Billy Jack, and a couple photos of Billy in the 423 00:28:05,550 --> 00:28:06,550 hospital. 424 00:28:08,250 --> 00:28:12,170 At the time, I was writing a column for the Portland Tribune. And so next thing 425 00:28:12,170 --> 00:28:15,730 I knew, Billy Jack is knocking on my door. 426 00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:17,570 He looked like Frankenstein's monster. 427 00:28:17,850 --> 00:28:19,110 He'd just gotten out of the hospital. 428 00:28:19,450 --> 00:28:24,050 He'd had several bones in his face broken. He had stitches, as I recall. We 429 00:28:24,050 --> 00:28:30,800 down. And he started telling me his story, basically that he'd been called 430 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,100 to Jimmy Longoria's car lot. 431 00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:38,400 The Longoria family was certainly one of the more prominent Portland crime 432 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:44,400 families. Billy had been a bill collector, and he said he delivered 433 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,520 the Longorias. What have you got? What is all this stuff? 434 00:28:47,740 --> 00:28:53,260 Yeah, these are letters from Billy Jack from months after he came to my place. 435 00:28:53,800 --> 00:29:00,520 On January 10, 2006, I was set up for a hit or to be killed by two 436 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,580 hitmen hired by Jimmy Longoria. 437 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,140 I drove through the open gate at the time scheduled 9 a .m. and I parked 438 00:29:07,140 --> 00:29:11,600 30 feet inside the lot where I met a man and asked where I could find Jimmy 439 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,860 Longoria. The man motioned over his left and Jimmy Longoria was sitting at the 440 00:29:15,860 --> 00:29:19,580 desk with his hands behind his head with a very cocky look on his face. 441 00:29:19,780 --> 00:29:22,240 I said, you're going to kill me, aren't you? 442 00:29:23,820 --> 00:29:27,960 It was then, I believe, that Jimmy told me that paybacks are a bitch, Billy 443 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:33,220 Jack. I remember looking at the office windows and seeing four men, and I 444 00:29:33,220 --> 00:29:34,220 thought I was a dead man. 445 00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:37,700 It was very clear that two guys attacked him. 446 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,000 They beat him so badly that he had to play dead. 447 00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:44,380 He knew they wanted to kill him. 448 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,200 They said I would have been dead. The instinct reaction saved me. Probably one 449 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,100 little instinct I have left to save me. 450 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,640 Jimmy Longoria had a pretty airtight alibi. 451 00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:05,140 He said two tweakers came onto his lot and provoked Billy into a fight. 452 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,940 He said he'd never seen him before and couldn't identify him. 453 00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:10,380 I think they probably worked for Longoria. 454 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:16,400 The surveillance cameras somehow had not been working, which was, of course, 455 00:30:16,420 --> 00:30:17,420 very suspicious. 456 00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:20,340 I cannot see out of my right eye. 457 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,000 You want to look, you can focus in here, my eye. 458 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:31,640 Billy said it was retribution for 15 or 16 years before, when he had ripped off 459 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:32,660 $200 ,000. 460 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,880 He'd been a courier back and forth from Portland to Los Angeles, taking coke one 461 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:38,940 way and money the other. 462 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,640 Let's just say in the 80s, I transported drugs. 463 00:30:42,940 --> 00:30:48,940 I had a 1986 Toyota 4x4. They put the built -in cabinet of a toolbox. 464 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:55,080 On the way back, he broke into the toolbox, saw $1 ,200 ,000, figured that 465 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,540 ,000 should belong to him. 466 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,540 I gave him the million bucks. I took my $200 ,000. 467 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,600 Billy said this beating was retribution for that. 468 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,680 I think he ripped off the Longoria's. I think that much is true. 469 00:31:12,060 --> 00:31:16,360 But the idea that they would have waited 16 years didn't make any sense to me at 470 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,360 all. 471 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,160 There are also rumors that Billy Jack's organized crime connections might have 472 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,820 been involved in his short -lived promotion in the late 1980s. 473 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,440 I've heard rumors. I don't know. It's something about the mafia, but I don't 474 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,440 know anything about that. 475 00:31:40,020 --> 00:31:46,360 What I understood, he had cricket sponsors, and they seen a bunch of money 476 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,360 getting lost fast. 477 00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:51,980 And they just all one by one pulled out, and that's why I think his promotion 478 00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:53,300 folded even faster. 479 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,420 A lot of people that open wrestling promotions get into that because that's 480 00:31:59,420 --> 00:32:00,700 easiest way to clean money. 481 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,220 As far as the money coming from nefarious characters, it's very 482 00:32:05,660 --> 00:32:09,020 He had a very dark life, and he probably had some very dark friends. 483 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:19,520 I'm generally sympathetic to oddball characters like Billy Jack, but he was a 484 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,380 puzzling character. When we were having lunch one day, I mentioned the 30 -year 485 00:32:24,380 --> 00:32:27,520 -old murder of corrections official Michael Franke. 486 00:32:28,540 --> 00:32:33,560 I explained the case to him. We went on to something else, and about two months 487 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,940 later, Billy Jack sends me something, all of a sudden claiming to have been 488 00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:41,900 involved and a witness to the Michael Franke killing. 489 00:32:42,860 --> 00:32:46,000 He didn't know anything about Michael Franke before I told him. 490 00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:51,720 In 1991, on May 1st, on my dad's birthday, the murder of Michael Franke, 491 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,540 forced out of Oregon, or my dad would be killed, I was told. 492 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:01,640 I think maybe he convinced himself that he was involved, that he had actually 493 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,640 seen the assassination. 494 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:09,580 He was collecting newspaper articles, police reports, and marking them up. The 495 00:33:09,580 --> 00:33:10,980 whole page would be colored. 496 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,800 He always had his binders and his shit. I don't know what was in it, but he had 497 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,380 them. He always had them. 498 00:33:17,860 --> 00:33:19,760 It's just documentation, is all I can say. 499 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,860 It's not my place to go into those kinds of things. 500 00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:28,220 Right now as we speak, I'm writing an autobiography with one of the best 501 00:33:28,220 --> 00:33:29,220 in the world. 502 00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:34,860 It's something in there when people read, you'll see it's documented, and it 503 00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:36,600 or may not get me killed, I don't know. 504 00:33:37,060 --> 00:33:38,640 He had quite a bit of stuff in there, yeah. 505 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,220 At that point, it was sort of hands -off for me. I just sort of back away from 506 00:33:43,220 --> 00:33:47,520 the case and say, I don't know what parts of this are true and what parts 507 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:53,140 aren't. The beating was certainly for real. The involvement in the coke 508 00:33:53,140 --> 00:33:55,320 was almost certainly quite real. 509 00:33:56,060 --> 00:33:58,920 The rest, I don't know. 510 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,280 He talked like he believed it. 511 00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:05,320 Even as nutty as Billy Jack Eames was, did I think that... 512 00:34:05,530 --> 00:34:09,010 You know, he'd be 70 years old and SWAT team would be outside of Billy Jack 513 00:34:09,010 --> 00:34:10,010 Haynes' house. 514 00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:13,650 There's a reason you're in trouble a lot because you just gravitate to Trump. 515 00:34:13,810 --> 00:34:17,310 This matter is going to be page 22, line 3 of Mr. Haynes. 516 00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:27,969 By 2019, Billy Jack Haynes is living a nomadic lifestyle, making rare interview 517 00:34:27,969 --> 00:34:28,969 appearances. 518 00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:30,989 I wore Oregon here. 519 00:34:32,090 --> 00:34:33,510 There. Take that. 520 00:34:34,110 --> 00:34:35,630 Or you can stick it up your ass. 521 00:34:35,989 --> 00:34:40,330 He'd been a non -entity in the wrestling world for 25 years. 522 00:34:42,270 --> 00:34:48,290 By the time he started just being the weird person that we've seen in modern 523 00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:52,210 times, I think you'd almost have to say he was on some kind of substance. 524 00:34:52,969 --> 00:34:56,150 I heard that he was having financial difficulties. 525 00:34:56,690 --> 00:34:59,090 You think you're on top of the world, and the next day you turn around and 526 00:34:59,090 --> 00:35:00,670 you've got two nickels to rub together. 527 00:35:01,690 --> 00:35:02,990 He was homeless, yeah. 528 00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:06,850 Homeless. Yeah, that's right. My van's sleeping. 529 00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:12,050 Rip Oliver opened his house for Billy Jack to live there. 530 00:35:12,690 --> 00:35:19,510 So, Rip, I found out that he was dying 2019 of December, so I left 531 00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:23,490 Portland and flew down to Florida and spent the last three months with him. 532 00:35:23,730 --> 00:35:26,870 I'm not looking for no pat on the back, nothing like that. He was a great guy. 533 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:32,020 He never came here for my dad. He came here to have a free place to live, and 534 00:35:32,020 --> 00:35:34,840 he was on pills before he got there, he damn sure was before he left. 535 00:35:35,180 --> 00:35:36,720 You said he stole your dad's pills? 536 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,880 Yeah. My dad was, I don't know, months away from dying. 537 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,740 My dad was on the real shit, the highest they go. 538 00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:45,940 They're supposed to put people in comas. 539 00:35:46,860 --> 00:35:52,480 He started taking RIPs, Percocets, or Vicodin, which RIP really needed because 540 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,480 he was very sick. 541 00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:56,380 I think he was more taking advantage of RIP. 542 00:35:56,650 --> 00:35:59,050 And Rip was paying for everything. 543 00:36:00,830 --> 00:36:06,510 Billy got this scheme and called Brian Blair up. Brian Blair ran Cauliflower 544 00:36:06,510 --> 00:36:09,290 Alley. You know, they help wrestlers with problems. 545 00:36:09,550 --> 00:36:11,990 I don't know what happened, but Billy called Brian. 546 00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:13,790 Rip's dying. 547 00:36:14,030 --> 00:36:16,110 He needs help. He's going to lose his property. 548 00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:18,050 This is what my dad told me. 549 00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:22,510 Cauliflower Alley Club paid for his back taxes on his house. They paid for his 550 00:36:22,510 --> 00:36:24,490 rent. They paid everything for him. 551 00:36:24,910 --> 00:36:26,880 Whoa. My dad didn't owe taxes. 552 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,420 When he died, he didn't owe taxes. 553 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:33,520 And my dad told me that Billy took half and he gave him half. 554 00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:40,420 My dad was a junkie. I don't mean to say that bad, but he was hooked. He was 555 00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:41,440 done, you know. 556 00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:45,760 He wanted me to be there, and I was there all the way to hospice until he 557 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:46,638 finally died. 558 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:47,640 I didn't want him to be alone. 559 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,020 I know he stole all my dad's shit before he died. 560 00:36:51,580 --> 00:36:52,580 Everybody's got stories. 561 00:36:52,940 --> 00:36:55,140 Yeah, I've seen it. It finally came out. 562 00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:59,850 After, you know, 30 -something years. He took advantage of everybody. 563 00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:17,950 Back in Portland, Billy Jack begins a relationship with Jan Becraft, the 564 00:37:17,950 --> 00:37:18,950 of his friend Todd. 565 00:37:19,710 --> 00:37:22,770 The Becraft family disapproves of the relationship. 566 00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:28,650 But when Todd unexpectedly dies in 2021, Billy Jack and Jan get married. 567 00:37:29,590 --> 00:37:34,190 She was like 85 and he's like 70. And so when I saw the age of the woman, you 568 00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:35,670 know, you hear stuff from people. 569 00:37:36,010 --> 00:37:39,370 Was he like using her for money or a place to live or whatever? 570 00:37:43,290 --> 00:37:45,510 This is actually the main house. 571 00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:50,980 This is the main bedroom on this side, and then the living room. You can kind 572 00:37:50,980 --> 00:37:51,980 see through the kitchen. 573 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,260 My name is Tom Matthew. 574 00:37:54,060 --> 00:37:58,600 I was actually living here before Billy Jack moved in. You talk to anybody in 575 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,560 the neighborhood, they all loved him. He would walk around, talk to everybody. 576 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,440 He really loved Jan a lot, and he was quite devoted to her. She was sick. 577 00:38:06,820 --> 00:38:08,980 She was ill with dementia. 578 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,300 Some days she'd have good days, and some days, most of the days, were bad. 579 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,820 And that wore on Billy pretty hard. 580 00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:20,550 She had some good days, but they were getting worse. And her family definitely 581 00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:22,350 did not like them being together. 582 00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:24,570 And I don't think they were going to separate. 583 00:38:25,410 --> 00:38:30,950 In my opinion, he took very good care of her and wanted to protect her and keep 584 00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:32,050 her from any kind of harm. 585 00:38:32,410 --> 00:38:36,790 The last time I spoke to him was two days before the incident. 586 00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:40,410 And I told Billy, I said, Billy, you look terrible. 587 00:38:40,610 --> 00:38:41,610 He hadn't slept. 588 00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:42,730 He hadn't hardly eaten anything. 589 00:38:43,210 --> 00:38:46,110 People with dementia, they become combative. 590 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,900 It's tough to watch a loved one, you know, go through that kind of mental 591 00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:51,900 decline. 592 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,400 I seen the cop cars and stuff on my security camera. So I went outside to 593 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,600 what was going on, and I looked down the street, and I saw them all down in 594 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,220 front of Billy's place, and I thought, oh, shit. 595 00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:06,220 Detectives have been at the scene all day, and police say the investigation is 596 00:39:06,220 --> 00:39:07,280 just getting started. 597 00:39:07,870 --> 00:39:12,210 I hear a banging on the window, out the back window, and I looked out and it was 598 00:39:12,210 --> 00:39:14,110 quiet. It was freaking overfilled. 599 00:39:14,410 --> 00:39:16,230 I mean, they had this place locked down. 600 00:39:16,650 --> 00:39:20,370 Tactical teams, including the Special Emergency Reaction Team and the Crisis 601 00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:25,390 Negotiation Team, were called to the scene. Around two hours later, a man was 602 00:39:25,390 --> 00:39:26,390 detained. 603 00:39:26,650 --> 00:39:27,650 So what happened? 604 00:39:28,350 --> 00:39:34,550 Well, I mean, he took her life. And it took them, like, maybe an hour to be in 605 00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:36,390 and out when they actually took her body out. 606 00:39:38,090 --> 00:39:42,710 When Billy was arrested, the whole neighborhood basically was in shock. 607 00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:45,130 like me, I didn't believe it either at first. 608 00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:46,510 He's just a big, gentle guy. 609 00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:52,390 And when you see it firsthand, it tears your heart out. 610 00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:55,710 Billy Jack was kind of a nut. 611 00:39:56,250 --> 00:40:00,490 And people thought at this point, he's that old, he's a harmless nut. Nobody 612 00:40:00,490 --> 00:40:03,550 thought he was going to go off and murder anybody. 613 00:40:04,330 --> 00:40:06,250 But then the question becomes... 614 00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:10,540 Why in the world would you ever do something like that? 615 00:40:20,020 --> 00:40:26,760 Although questions linger around Billy Jack's 616 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:32,900 numerous claims and criminal activity, one fact remains undeniable. On February 617 00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:34,440 8, 2024, 618 00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:38,660 Billy Jack Haynes took the life of Jeanette Buckraft. 619 00:40:40,420 --> 00:40:45,660 Now, as he faces trial for second -degree murder, Billy Jack has a new 620 00:40:45,660 --> 00:40:52,120 tell. Billy claims that she had dementia so bad that it was 621 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,280 unbearable. He couldn't live with it anymore. 622 00:40:54,580 --> 00:40:59,400 He called it a mercy killing because she didn't know who she was anymore. 623 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,760 He supposedly shot his wife in the head, and that's a mercy killing? 624 00:41:05,770 --> 00:41:06,930 I don't know, brother. 625 00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:10,890 Maybe he thought that was justifiable to do that. 626 00:41:11,090 --> 00:41:16,030 It's a very sad situation, and I don't know what they're going to do justice 627 00:41:16,030 --> 00:41:20,790 -wise, but that's up to, I guess, the court to decide. 628 00:41:21,170 --> 00:41:22,250 I don't care for him. 629 00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:24,490 It ain't because he killed his wife. 630 00:41:26,370 --> 00:41:27,790 I'll let that play out in court. 631 00:41:28,330 --> 00:41:33,630 If I were his lawyer, I'd certainly make a diminished capacity case for him. 632 00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:40,250 He'd obviously been taking beatings throughout his career, and if nothing 633 00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:45,550 dating from the beating he got at the Longoria's Carlisle. 634 00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:48,370 You ask anybody, and they'll tell you. 635 00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:51,090 He loved Jan unconditionally. 636 00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:53,030 She was his world. 637 00:41:53,370 --> 00:41:57,930 Whatever happened, as unfortunate as it is, I think was a big mistake. 638 00:41:58,170 --> 00:42:02,150 That's what makes it all that much more difficult to deal with. 639 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,340 Damn it, I'm lesser. 640 00:42:05,660 --> 00:42:07,140 It hurts my heart. 641 00:42:09,340 --> 00:42:12,380 Mercy killing is the phrase that they used. 642 00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:16,460 Who's ever going to know the only person that's alive that was in the room with 643 00:42:16,460 --> 00:42:19,200 him is Billy Jack? And you can't believe a thing he says. 644 00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:23,700 If I come across crazy, I must be the smartest, craziest guy there ever is. 645 00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:28,320 I'll never, ever forget the state of Oregon and the beautiful fans that 646 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,760 supported me through the pro wrestling. 647 00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:34,510 Fans in Oregon, old enough to remember, probably still have a fond spot for him. 648 00:42:34,530 --> 00:42:39,310 But now more people in and out of wrestling are going to remember the 649 00:42:39,310 --> 00:42:43,850 stories he told and the things that he invented that he was involved in. And 650 00:42:43,850 --> 00:42:47,670 finally, the murder of his wife. They're going to remember that more than 651 00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:48,810 anything he did in wrestling. 652 00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:50,630 Let me have your attention. 653 00:42:51,010 --> 00:42:56,470 I don't want any fan to ever come up to me and ask for an autograph again. 654 00:42:58,060 --> 00:43:00,660 He was the guy who had a couple of good years at a time when wrestling was 655 00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:04,300 pretty big, made something of a name, and had a very, very troubled existence 656 00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:06,400 after that fame ended. 657 00:43:06,620 --> 00:43:09,820 It's not a happy ending. There's no silver lining in this story, 658 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,320 So how do you think Billy Jack's story is going to end? 659 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,760 Boy, that's a million -dollar question. 660 00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:33,350 When that door shuts, you get to reality real quick that there's no getting out 661 00:43:33,350 --> 00:43:34,350 of here. 662 00:43:36,070 --> 00:43:37,070 I took 12. 663 00:43:48,650 --> 00:43:50,050 Do you feel good about your chances? 664 00:43:50,510 --> 00:43:51,510 I do. 57717

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