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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,340 --> 00:00:07,020 Jake the Snake Roberts is one of the most authentic personalities the 2 00:00:07,020 --> 00:00:08,240 world has ever seen. 3 00:00:08,500 --> 00:00:11,640 I'll drop you so fast that DDT, your whole family will fall down. 4 00:00:14,180 --> 00:00:19,600 Behind his raw intensity lies the depth of personal trauma, which has shaped his 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,060 iconic in -ring persona. 6 00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:24,100 How can anything that looks so hot be so cold? 7 00:00:24,380 --> 00:00:26,560 Well, it's easy. You see, time has done that to me. 8 00:00:26,970 --> 00:00:32,670 Unknown to fans for years, wrestlers Sam Houston and Rockin' Robin are Jake the 9 00:00:32,670 --> 00:00:34,610 Snake's real -life brother and sister. 10 00:00:34,830 --> 00:00:39,650 Each followed in the footsteps of their father, wrestling giant Grizzly Smith. 11 00:00:40,070 --> 00:00:44,670 The control that Grizz had over his kids, he could pit them all against each 12 00:00:44,670 --> 00:00:47,390 other because he was the master of everything. 13 00:00:47,630 --> 00:00:48,790 He was the puppeteer. 14 00:00:49,590 --> 00:00:54,410 Scarred by traumatic childhood, the Smith children followed self 15 00:00:54,410 --> 00:00:58,750 paths. and each battled addictions that nearly destroyed their lives. 16 00:00:59,010 --> 00:01:01,930 You know how hard it is to put a smile on your face when you know what a piece 17 00:01:01,930 --> 00:01:03,030 of shit you really are? 18 00:01:03,290 --> 00:01:08,650 I'd been in prison two days and I tried to hang my... It's the very, very young 19 00:01:08,650 --> 00:01:13,030 girl that seemed to be the trigger. And I was scared of him, just totally scared 20 00:01:13,030 --> 00:01:13,889 of him. 21 00:01:13,890 --> 00:01:15,090 This is JoLynn here. 22 00:01:15,910 --> 00:01:18,350 Without a body, I'll murder. 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,060 Decades later, the Smith family finally faced their haunted past in order to 24 00:01:24,060 --> 00:01:25,580 survive beyond the ring. 25 00:01:25,780 --> 00:01:26,780 Lies have consequences. 26 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,400 If you want to feel pain, then you have to go from the top and get knocked to 27 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:32,400 the bottom. 28 00:01:32,540 --> 00:01:33,960 That's when you feel real pain. 29 00:01:47,530 --> 00:01:49,550 None of us wants to talk about what happened. 30 00:01:49,790 --> 00:01:50,790 It's painful. 31 00:01:51,150 --> 00:01:55,730 There's just too damn much that gets drug out. 32 00:01:57,330 --> 00:01:58,650 There's no relationship. 33 00:01:59,550 --> 00:02:03,710 There was no pat each other on the back shit. There was no I'm happy for you. 34 00:02:04,510 --> 00:02:07,490 You would have never thought we were brothers and sisters, that's for sure. 35 00:02:09,130 --> 00:02:10,550 Why were you guys not close? 36 00:02:10,789 --> 00:02:15,790 Because we were always that way. We had just been kind of raised at a distance. 37 00:02:18,250 --> 00:02:21,930 Since the formulation of professional wrestling as an organized sport, it's 38 00:02:21,930 --> 00:02:23,670 a family business to a lot of the participants. 39 00:02:24,070 --> 00:02:28,010 There's been a lot of well -known wrestling families like the Hart family 40 00:02:28,010 --> 00:02:29,870 Calgary, the Von Eriks from Texas. 41 00:02:30,090 --> 00:02:33,750 You could trust family members with the business secrets and the secrets in the 42 00:02:33,750 --> 00:02:38,430 ring because they were your blood. And also, they had a vested interest in the 43 00:02:38,430 --> 00:02:41,110 success of the industry because it was their livelihood as well. 44 00:02:41,530 --> 00:02:44,950 I'm Jim Cornette. For over 40 years, I've been a part of professional 45 00:02:44,950 --> 00:02:49,130 as an announcer, manager, promoter, but also I've been a student of professional 46 00:02:49,130 --> 00:02:51,110 wrestling history for over 50 years. 47 00:02:51,550 --> 00:02:54,970 So can you give us an introduction to the Smith family? 48 00:02:55,330 --> 00:02:59,950 Even though the Smith family was all related, the people inside the industry 49 00:02:59,950 --> 00:03:05,350 knew that, but to the fans, Jake Roberts, Sam Houston, Rockin' Robin, 50 00:03:05,350 --> 00:03:09,930 Smith, were all different people. There was no knowledge publicly that they were 51 00:03:09,930 --> 00:03:14,080 related. You know, in all honesty, Sam Houston was the best in -ring performer 52 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,720 of the entire family. My name is Michael Smith, a .k .a. Sam Houston. 53 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,240 How I fit into the Smith family, I'm one of them. Depending on who you look at, 54 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,360 I mean, I'm somebody's father, I'm somebody's son, I'm somebody's brother. 55 00:03:27,620 --> 00:03:32,380 Through our family, first Jake's the oldest, then Richard, then myself, and 56 00:03:32,380 --> 00:03:36,920 Robin. Robin's one of the best women world champions, you know, ever come 57 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:37,759 the line. 58 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,000 And she's my sister. 59 00:03:39,580 --> 00:03:41,080 It's an honor for me to say that. 60 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,540 Tell us the name that you wrestle under. 61 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,260 Many years ago, Rockin' Robin. 62 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:50,240 Rockin' Robin! 63 00:03:52,260 --> 00:03:53,600 Do you know how that name came about? 64 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,240 Actually, it was just kind of a lazy thing. 65 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,140 One of my first matches, they said, what do you want to be announced as? And I 66 00:04:00,140 --> 00:04:01,480 just said, okay, Rockin' Robin. 67 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,700 I think I would have liked to have tried out Rotten Robin. 68 00:04:05,380 --> 00:04:06,740 I think that would have been fun. 69 00:04:07,450 --> 00:04:12,910 I'm Robin Smith, and from the Smith family, I am the sister of Jake the 70 00:04:13,110 --> 00:04:17,510 Robert, Sam Houston, and then I have another brother that a lot of people 71 00:04:17,510 --> 00:04:19,089 know about, Richard. 72 00:04:20,589 --> 00:04:26,550 My name is Richard Neighbors, and Arian Smith is my father, and Jake Roberts is 73 00:04:26,550 --> 00:04:30,670 my brother, Sam Houston is my brother, and Robin Smith is my sister. 74 00:04:31,730 --> 00:04:33,930 So can you tell us who Arian Smith Jr. 75 00:04:34,250 --> 00:04:35,430 is? That's Jake. 76 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:37,560 This is Jake and myself. 77 00:04:38,980 --> 00:04:43,420 Jake is Stank Roberts' wrestling name. When he was growing up in high school, 78 00:04:43,420 --> 00:04:44,940 grandmother and stuff called him Buster. 79 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:46,900 That was his nickname. 80 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,080 I kind of stuck with him for years. 81 00:04:49,620 --> 00:04:50,920 Jake's what he wrestles by. 82 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,960 So why wasn't getting involved in wrestling anything that was interesting 83 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,420 you? I didn't want to travel like that. 84 00:04:59,940 --> 00:05:00,940 It's not a lifestyle. 85 00:05:01,900 --> 00:05:03,740 But Jake likes the tension. 86 00:05:04,390 --> 00:05:06,310 He likes all the stardom being on him. 87 00:05:06,530 --> 00:05:10,230 Please welcome Jake the Tank Robert. When he walks in a room, I mean, it's 88 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:14,050 you know, he wants it all to be there. And that's from being in the ring, 89 00:05:14,090 --> 00:05:16,010 Smithy, being in that business. 90 00:05:16,710 --> 00:05:17,830 It's just a rat race. 91 00:05:19,450 --> 00:05:20,450 It wasn't me. 92 00:05:21,950 --> 00:05:25,310 Jake Roberts is a wrestler, had strengths and had weaknesses. 93 00:05:25,970 --> 00:05:30,150 Jake Roberts was never a high -level amateur athlete. He didn't have a 94 00:05:30,150 --> 00:05:31,150 ridiculous physique. 95 00:05:31,820 --> 00:05:36,520 But what Jake knew and understood was the mental aspect of pro wrestling, the 96 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,020 psychology of it. By growing up with a father in wrestling and by learning how 97 00:05:41,020 --> 00:05:43,300 to think of it, and he had the verbal ability. 98 00:05:43,900 --> 00:05:48,440 Don't come calling me a sicko, because, brother, if you look at yourself in the 99 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,280 mirror, I think you'll find out one thing. 100 00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:53,940 You're no different than me if you tell yourself the truth. 101 00:05:54,460 --> 00:06:01,200 Jake the Snake Roberts, once he fully developed that persona, was able to... 102 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:06,240 make you believe that he really was a snake in the grass. 103 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,940 And there was probably some truth to it. 104 00:06:09,780 --> 00:06:15,160 He was kind of a dad's shadow in a way. I think he spent as much time as he 105 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,000 could with dad. And I mean, I got to learn in the ropes, you know. 106 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,160 That's dad and Jake. 107 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,560 Jake the Snake. Robert Shearer. 108 00:06:26,900 --> 00:06:29,900 Real name is Aurelian Smith Jr. 109 00:06:31,750 --> 00:06:33,430 Now you know why I went with Jake's name. 110 00:06:34,970 --> 00:06:39,010 So your career in wrestling, what was your dad's reaction to your interest in 111 00:06:39,010 --> 00:06:40,010 wanting to do that? 112 00:06:40,090 --> 00:06:41,790 He didn't want me in wrestling, period. 113 00:06:42,110 --> 00:06:47,450 In fact, he got me fired a couple places, asked the promoters to fire me 114 00:06:47,450 --> 00:06:48,229 me out. 115 00:06:48,230 --> 00:06:50,590 I got humiliated. I got stretched. 116 00:06:50,910 --> 00:06:56,470 I got tore up. Basically crawled back to the locker room, and my father looked 117 00:06:56,470 --> 00:06:59,330 at me and said, I'm ashamed of you. You're gutless, and you'll never amount 118 00:06:59,330 --> 00:07:00,330 anything. 119 00:07:01,580 --> 00:07:04,860 That was my whole drive. 120 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,680 I got into wrestling because I hated my father. 121 00:07:09,420 --> 00:07:11,300 And I was going to break it off in his ass. 122 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,680 I wanted to hear my father say, I'm proud of you, son. 123 00:07:16,940 --> 00:07:18,180 I'm really proud of you. 124 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,020 You know, he never told me that. 125 00:07:21,780 --> 00:07:25,140 He'd tell other wrestlers he was proud of him, but he wouldn't tell me. 126 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:27,120 Never. 127 00:07:27,820 --> 00:07:29,140 And that was my drive. 128 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,960 So do you know how your dad got involved in wrestling? 129 00:07:35,340 --> 00:07:41,880 He had worked in the oil fields. He met someone that knew about wrestling or was 130 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:48,180 involved in wrestling and, you know, saw this big, humongous dude, you know, and 131 00:07:48,180 --> 00:07:49,840 said, you'd probably be good. 132 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,100 He would line up on Friday afternoon where they all got paid outside the 133 00:07:54,100 --> 00:07:58,620 railroad yard, and he would stand up against the wall, and the guys would pay 134 00:07:58,620 --> 00:08:00,620 him 25 to 50 cents. 135 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,680 They would pay him if they could just draw back and hit him in the stomach as 136 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,000 hard as he could because it was a bet to try to make him double over. 137 00:08:09,140 --> 00:08:13,340 He would make more money that afternoon in an hour's time than he would the 138 00:08:13,340 --> 00:08:14,340 whole week. 139 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,040 So then he got the wild hair and he went to get into wrestling. 140 00:08:17,660 --> 00:08:22,600 He was 7 foot tall, about 350 pounds, long red hair, big beard. 141 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,920 Looked like he just walked right out of the woods. 142 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,740 He wore a pair of blue jeans and had a rope, a piece of sash cord. 143 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:29,799 That's what it's called. 144 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:30,800 That was his belt. 145 00:08:31,060 --> 00:08:34,380 If he could ever get a hold of somebody and wrap his arms around him, then that 146 00:08:34,380 --> 00:08:35,380 was it. 147 00:08:38,980 --> 00:08:42,780 For you, as a young kid, to watch your dad wrestle, how did it make you feel? 148 00:08:43,940 --> 00:08:45,580 Wow, how did it make me feel? 149 00:08:45,820 --> 00:08:50,080 Yeah. I was honored. I mean, Superman was my dad. 150 00:08:50,820 --> 00:08:51,820 He's the main event. 151 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:56,340 He's the biggest thing on the card. He really was the biggest thing on the 152 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,580 I used to get really freaked out when I'd go to the matches and stuff, and I'd 153 00:08:59,580 --> 00:09:01,600 be inside the matches watching him. 154 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,220 He'd get his head busted open or, you know, scratched, and he'd go to bleeding 155 00:09:05,220 --> 00:09:06,059 and stuff. 156 00:09:06,060 --> 00:09:08,860 I'm six, seven, eight years old, and I'm totally flipped. 157 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,720 So I'd get out of the ring, and I'd go back to the back with him, and I'd be 158 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,360 crying my eyes out, and he'd go back there, and he'd sit down, and the doc 159 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,320 look at him. He'd say, Chris, I told you I can't do anything else with your head 160 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,980 because of the skin. The tissue was tore up so bad. 161 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,320 They'd take it and clean him up, put a butterfly band -aid on it. Okay, see you 162 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,119 tomorrow night. 163 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,680 And then he would travel to the next town. It's just an ongoing thing. 164 00:09:30,060 --> 00:09:32,840 I used to think when I was a kid, why does he want to do that? 165 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:35,100 He'd come and say, I've got to make a living. 166 00:09:35,380 --> 00:09:39,680 I think one of the things that has helped me to understand life and to 167 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:44,000 life as much as I do is my father. 168 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:47,420 He would give you a whipping for lying to him. 169 00:09:48,660 --> 00:09:51,040 He'd give you a whipping whenever he thought you needed it. 170 00:09:52,650 --> 00:09:54,430 He'd give you a whipping for making a mistake. 171 00:09:56,950 --> 00:10:02,250 My father was a mean man. Mean in the way that he tortured us psychologically. 172 00:10:03,390 --> 00:10:06,790 He would play the angle out at home. 173 00:10:07,170 --> 00:10:08,270 His injuries. 174 00:10:08,670 --> 00:10:11,010 His feeling of the upcoming match. 175 00:10:11,610 --> 00:10:14,830 How dangerous this match was going to be with those guys. 176 00:10:16,570 --> 00:10:19,770 You know, I look back now and I say, why didn't I figure it out? You know, they 177 00:10:19,770 --> 00:10:23,630 kept showing up in the same territory my dad would go to every damn time. What 178 00:10:23,630 --> 00:10:26,670 the hell? These guys are chasing my father down. They're going to kill him. 179 00:10:27,750 --> 00:10:31,510 I remember crying myself to sleep many a night thinking my dad was going to die. 180 00:10:32,310 --> 00:10:34,110 And that bastard never told us anything. 181 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:40,380 By the end of the 70s, Grizzly Smith retired from wrestling in the ring and 182 00:10:40,380 --> 00:10:43,360 transitioned to a management position behind the scenes. 183 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,440 But he would use his power and influence for something much more sinister. 184 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,140 You know, I've been around the business for a little while at that point. And 185 00:10:51,140 --> 00:10:54,560 when I first got there and was in the locker room hearing all the other people 186 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:58,880 who had known Grizzly longer, been around him, talk about him. 187 00:10:59,260 --> 00:11:04,740 The wrestlers always had a way of knocking or talking behind the back of 188 00:11:04,740 --> 00:11:07,020 authority figure or the office personnel. 189 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,740 But I'd never heard it like this. Every joke, wherever Grizzly wasn't, every 190 00:11:13,740 --> 00:11:17,280 single little statement had something to do with, I wonder if Grizzly's 191 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,840 mentoring the young girls or he's probably got one of them on his lap 192 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:21,860 her Bible verses. 193 00:11:22,380 --> 00:11:25,560 And they would laugh and they thought that was funny. I'm like that. 194 00:11:26,410 --> 00:11:32,770 Kind of strange. And I had no idea of the backstory that the family 195 00:11:32,770 --> 00:11:36,870 had that would come out in years and decades later on. 196 00:11:41,030 --> 00:11:46,050 Everybody knew Grizz. Everybody had good things to say about him. You wanted to 197 00:11:46,050 --> 00:11:49,130 do road trips with him because you wanted to pick his brain about, like, 198 00:11:49,130 --> 00:11:51,610 could I make myself better? How do I make more money? 199 00:11:51,890 --> 00:11:53,430 My name is Nicola Roberts. 200 00:11:53,930 --> 00:11:55,990 I worked in the wrestling profession. 201 00:11:59,470 --> 00:12:03,450 My dad promoted in Lubbock, Texas. Both of my parents were wrestlers. 202 00:12:03,990 --> 00:12:09,670 But how I actually met and got into the Smith family, I think this was like 203 00:12:09,670 --> 00:12:10,930 April of 85. 204 00:12:11,450 --> 00:12:17,550 I kind of started talking to Sam a little bit then, and July 30th was the 205 00:12:17,550 --> 00:12:22,110 first day that we kissed, and we got married a year to the date from there. 206 00:12:22,510 --> 00:12:27,070 Baby doll is mother of my children. I love her immensely. I always will. 207 00:12:27,590 --> 00:12:29,890 What was your experience with Grizzly Smith? 208 00:12:30,350 --> 00:12:35,790 The craziest thing to go along with the whole Grizzly Smith and the weirdness of 209 00:12:35,790 --> 00:12:40,610 it was to do a road trip with him. We would, like, all of a sudden be, like, 210 00:12:40,610 --> 00:12:45,030 miles off the road picking up some 14-, 15 -year -old girl. 211 00:12:45,490 --> 00:12:48,070 Then she was going to ride with us for three to four days. 212 00:12:48,410 --> 00:12:51,370 And it was just like, you're going to... 213 00:12:52,030 --> 00:12:53,030 Okay. 214 00:12:53,890 --> 00:12:57,790 And then her parents were, like, waving on the front yard, like, bye, see you on 215 00:12:57,790 --> 00:12:58,790 Tuesday. 216 00:12:59,450 --> 00:13:05,030 It was really weird because it wasn't until after his death that you kind of 217 00:13:05,030 --> 00:13:08,910 start finding out, you know, the whole whirlwind of the stories and the whole 218 00:13:08,910 --> 00:13:11,670 just horrible stuff that was going on. 219 00:13:12,070 --> 00:13:13,830 And I was there. 220 00:13:14,070 --> 00:13:20,110 And you kind of get that feeling like, okay, something's not quite right. And 221 00:13:20,110 --> 00:13:21,110 you look for it. 222 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:23,700 I was right there and I never thought. 223 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:31,400 Before embarking on a career in the ring as Jake the Snake Roberts, Aurelian 224 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:32,400 Smith Jr. 225 00:13:32,420 --> 00:13:37,200 endures a traumatic childhood which would be a source of torment for the 226 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:38,059 his life. 227 00:13:38,060 --> 00:13:43,620 Jake was a mean son of a bitch that didn't care about nothing. 228 00:13:44,020 --> 00:13:46,920 And there's nothing that's out of bounds with Jake. 229 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:51,040 Aurelian, completely different cat. 230 00:13:52,990 --> 00:13:59,190 Aurelian hasn't grown since he was 12, 13 years old. I put him away a long time 231 00:13:59,190 --> 00:14:00,190 ago. 232 00:14:00,910 --> 00:14:01,930 I had to. 233 00:14:02,790 --> 00:14:04,050 It hurt too much. 234 00:14:04,810 --> 00:14:10,250 I don't think I've been Aurelian in 30 or 40 years. And I don't know that I 235 00:14:10,250 --> 00:14:11,250 will be again. 236 00:14:11,950 --> 00:14:12,950 Aurelian feels it. 237 00:14:14,110 --> 00:14:15,490 Aurelian remembers it. 238 00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:20,630 And Aurelian's crippled and can't do nothing about it. 239 00:14:21,390 --> 00:14:24,950 But I am more comfortable with Jake now. I respect Jake. 240 00:14:25,270 --> 00:14:27,230 I know how dangerous Jake would be. 241 00:14:27,890 --> 00:14:30,610 Jake's okay as long as you got him handcuffed, you know. 242 00:14:31,390 --> 00:14:32,570 Really, seriously. 243 00:14:33,310 --> 00:14:36,330 Really a very scared kid. 244 00:14:37,450 --> 00:14:41,350 And again, I don't think I've grown since I was a puppy. 245 00:14:42,930 --> 00:14:45,110 When most of that stuff started happening. 246 00:14:46,030 --> 00:14:49,830 What can you tell us about your mother and where she came from and how she 247 00:14:49,830 --> 00:14:50,830 up with your father? 248 00:14:51,470 --> 00:14:53,210 She was 13 when I was born. 249 00:14:54,490 --> 00:14:55,930 My father was a pedophile. 250 00:14:58,090 --> 00:14:59,550 Disgusting. Pedophile. 251 00:15:02,050 --> 00:15:05,170 Which would haunt me the rest of my life. 252 00:15:05,930 --> 00:15:08,510 By the age of 17, then he divorced my mother. 253 00:15:08,870 --> 00:15:10,490 And he left and went on the road. 254 00:15:11,950 --> 00:15:13,030 Leaving us all behind. 255 00:15:13,230 --> 00:15:17,990 Kids got passed out. My little brother Richard was passed out to my dad's 256 00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:19,890 and her husband. They couldn't have children. 257 00:15:20,300 --> 00:15:23,760 My sister, JoLynn, she was tossed everywhere. 258 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,920 She spent too much time with my dad, you know what I mean? 259 00:15:28,460 --> 00:15:30,460 My mother was blind to a lot of this. 260 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,160 I had a great mother, wonderful mother, loving mother. 261 00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:40,020 After his parents split up, Jake lives an idyllic life with his grandmother 262 00:15:40,020 --> 00:15:45,220 until she passes away when he is 11 years old, forcing him to move back in 263 00:15:45,220 --> 00:15:47,800 his father and his new wife, Marsha. 264 00:15:48,460 --> 00:15:51,780 I thought it was going to be the greatest thing he ever meant. This is 265 00:15:51,780 --> 00:15:52,780 be so cool. 266 00:15:55,420 --> 00:15:58,740 Well, it wasn't cool. 267 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,720 He was forced to take me home with him. 268 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:08,140 Shortly after I moved in with him, his wife started playing games, sometimes 269 00:16:08,140 --> 00:16:11,540 games that weren't so funny, sexual games. 270 00:16:12,020 --> 00:16:15,520 I went to my dad and told him one time. 271 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,540 She stopped me right in the middle of it. 272 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:23,480 Said, I'll tend to you later. 273 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:28,160 And she went in and talked to my dad the next day. She beat me with a damn 274 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,640 clothes hanger and fly swatter. 275 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,180 It's one thing to have sex, but it's another thing to get beaten for doing 276 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:35,879 Freaked me out. 277 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,440 Little did I know my father was aware of all that. 278 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,940 Because he was doing the same thing to my sisters. 279 00:16:43,790 --> 00:16:50,330 First, I want to say this, is that my intention is not to destroy a legacy 280 00:16:50,330 --> 00:16:57,230 was, you know, my dad was great at what he did. He could be a hero, but to 281 00:16:57,230 --> 00:16:58,950 me, he was my monster. 282 00:17:02,390 --> 00:17:08,349 I guess just going back to when it all started, I was probably eight or nine 283 00:17:08,349 --> 00:17:09,349 years old. 284 00:17:11,579 --> 00:17:18,359 The wild thing about it was, was that I remember about a 285 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:25,040 month before the first thing ever happened, he basically was 286 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:30,660 working me. And this is part of the manipulation that I think that people 287 00:17:30,660 --> 00:17:37,580 do to kind of groom you and get you 288 00:17:37,580 --> 00:17:39,160 where they want you, basically. 289 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,980 So for about a month or so before the first thing ever happened, he was 290 00:17:43,980 --> 00:17:47,980 around completely ignoring me. He couldn't stand to be in the same room. 291 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,220 You know, as an 8 -year -old kid, I mean, you think, what in the world have 292 00:17:52,220 --> 00:17:55,580 done? All you want is the love of your parents, right? 293 00:17:55,980 --> 00:18:01,480 Then one day, my mother was gone. And he worked during the day. He was home 294 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:08,100 working in the office in the back. And so he called me in the back just to say, 295 00:18:08,180 --> 00:18:10,520 well, You know, you know Daddy loves you. 296 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:17,140 And, I mean, I was so relieved that, you know, oh, he does love me. He doesn't 297 00:18:17,140 --> 00:18:21,300 hate me. And that turned into the first time he put his hands on me. 298 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:29,160 So, you come out of that real confused and real, 299 00:18:29,340 --> 00:18:34,820 you know, had no idea how to process that. I mean, you just don't. 300 00:18:35,140 --> 00:18:41,680 I think that very day it strips you of, Your security, it strips you of your 301 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,960 self -worth, self -respect, innocence. 302 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,720 It strips you of all the things that make you a child. 303 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,160 It really does. 304 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,440 How long did that period last? 305 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:59,000 I think from when I was about 8 until about 14. 306 00:19:00,620 --> 00:19:04,320 I told my mother about it, and she gathered up everything, and we left. 307 00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:11,390 At about 15, I actually remember telling him that if he ever did anything again, 308 00:19:11,470 --> 00:19:14,510 that I would shoot him with his own gun because I knew where they were. 309 00:19:15,290 --> 00:19:20,550 Jake has spoken about some inappropriateness from being around your 310 00:19:20,790 --> 00:19:21,910 What do you know about that? 311 00:19:22,270 --> 00:19:28,310 All I can tell you is that my mother was not the kind of person that would have 312 00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:29,790 tried to be inappropriate. 313 00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:33,250 If something happened with my mother, I... 314 00:19:33,550 --> 00:19:38,390 I tend to think that my dad probably asked her to do something that she never 315 00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:41,990 would have done just for his own whatever pleasure. 316 00:19:42,270 --> 00:19:46,890 She was, what, 16, if, whenever they got married. 317 00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:48,970 So, I mean, she was very, very young. 318 00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:55,870 When Robin is 15 years old, her half -sister, JoLynn, Grizzly's other 319 00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:57,890 pays her an unexpected visit. 320 00:19:58,210 --> 00:20:01,870 She came, she picked me up, and we went out, we went shopping. 321 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:08,560 To me, it seemed like there was something that she was wanting to tell 322 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,340 talk to me about or ask me. 323 00:20:10,820 --> 00:20:15,800 She was just asking quite a few questions. Her main thing was, do I feel 324 00:20:16,260 --> 00:20:17,640 Do I feel comfortable? 325 00:20:18,340 --> 00:20:25,120 I think she wanted to know if I had gone through the same thing because there 326 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:28,080 was no doubt in my mind that the same thing happened to her. 327 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,500 I don't doubt it to this day. 328 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,020 It just seemed like there was an awful lot on her mind. 329 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,320 And then it was about two weeks later when she was kidnapped. 330 00:20:44,700 --> 00:20:49,800 Richard and Mike and I were at a roller skating rink. We had gone over there, 331 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:55,400 gone skating, and they came over the intercom and said, Robin, Mike, Richard, 332 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:56,520 the Smith family. 333 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:57,780 Got a phone call. 334 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,500 It was Dad, and I told him, I said, you need to get home. Get home immediately. 335 00:21:02,780 --> 00:21:03,780 So we got home. 336 00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:08,440 Dad left a note in the house that said JoLynn had been kidnapped. 337 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,540 I thought it was kind of crazy at first, because I was like, how does he know 338 00:21:13,540 --> 00:21:17,220 she's been kidnapped? Was there a ransom, or what was going on? 339 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,400 Richard put his hand through the wall. 340 00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:21,120 I busted it. 341 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:22,880 I totally lost it. 342 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,960 They were very close, Richard and JoLynn. 343 00:21:26,380 --> 00:21:27,780 Closer than any of us. 344 00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:31,330 Somebody has hurt my sister. I need to find out what my next step is. 345 00:21:31,970 --> 00:21:35,270 I couldn't understand why somebody wanted to kidnap somebody who was so 346 00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:36,690 She never hurt anybody. 347 00:21:36,910 --> 00:21:38,350 She had no intentions on hurting anybody. 348 00:21:38,590 --> 00:21:40,430 She just wanted to live a happy, free life. 349 00:21:40,970 --> 00:21:42,330 And she was finally happy. 350 00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:45,170 She had a kid. That mission was accomplished. 351 00:21:45,450 --> 00:21:48,610 It was a quiet, peaceful treader park she was living in. She finally had it 352 00:21:48,610 --> 00:21:49,750 going on. And then this. 353 00:21:51,550 --> 00:21:53,510 When you talk about murder, kidnapping, 354 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,060 armed robbery, something like that. No, we just didn't have that. That just 355 00:21:58,060 --> 00:21:59,820 wasn't in Tatum, Texas. 356 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:01,400 My name's Carl Gates. 357 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,580 My nickname's Buzz. I've been Buzz all my life. 358 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:09,880 I'm 69 years old. In 1979, I was 28, and I was chief of police at Tatum, Texas. 359 00:22:11,060 --> 00:22:15,340 As I remember, just on routine patrol one particular morning, and the manager 360 00:22:15,340 --> 00:22:19,760 from the Cherry Hill mobile home park flagged me down. I knew him. He said, I 361 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,220 had a kidnapping out here at the trailer park. 362 00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:25,090 JoLynn was there with little Ted, her baby. 363 00:22:25,470 --> 00:22:31,870 They grabbed her and pulled her out and threw her in this car and took off. 364 00:22:32,690 --> 00:22:34,950 JoLynn was 5 '10", probably weighed 200. 365 00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:36,730 You ain't going to take her down by yourself. 366 00:22:38,030 --> 00:22:39,330 Me and her, you'd razzle. 367 00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:40,750 And she's tough. 368 00:22:41,070 --> 00:22:43,550 So there ain't no way one person loaded her in that car. 369 00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:47,970 Went right to it pretty quick, got out there, and the door was open. 370 00:22:48,610 --> 00:22:50,130 Of course, we hear something in the house. 371 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,880 What's that? He said, well, her baby's in there. 372 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,500 The baby's fine. Well, no problem. 373 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,940 Then the husband got there. We got in, and I noticed some letters on the little 374 00:23:01,940 --> 00:23:06,000 table there by the door. I said, one of these are addressed to your wife. 375 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:11,080 I said, that's my ex -wife. She would send threatening letters to her. 376 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:16,120 With the menacing letters as evidence, authorities' number one suspect becomes 377 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:19,760 Phelan Rogers, the ex -wife of JoLynn's husband. 378 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,700 Investigators discover incriminating evidence in Phelan's car, and she 379 00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:30,600 eventually confesses to the kidnapping, but she claims JoLynn escaped shortly 380 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:31,820 after the abduction. 381 00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:36,580 Searching? Oh, Lord have mercy. We had search parties out. We had helicopters. 382 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,200 We had horses. We had motorcycles. We had people on foot. 383 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,220 We had a psychic called. 384 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:43,660 She came down. 385 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,740 I think I can help you out. I think I'm getting messages from JoLynn. 386 00:23:49,580 --> 00:23:52,420 She was given personal possession of Jolynn. 387 00:23:52,740 --> 00:23:58,600 She was saying, it's just dark, maybe like a well or something. 388 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,780 Let's start looking for abandoned wells. 389 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,740 And we got information on a couple of them that had been covered or filled in. 390 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,760 So we went out, we checked them. We never found a body. 391 00:24:09,940 --> 00:24:14,020 Jolynn's body is never recovered, making a murder charge impossible. 392 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,360 Phelan is brought to court, indicted on the lesser charge of kidnapping. 393 00:24:19,150 --> 00:24:21,190 The Smith family is devastated. 394 00:24:21,730 --> 00:24:25,530 I think that's probably the first time my father ever missed a wrestling match 395 00:24:25,530 --> 00:24:26,730 with one of my sister's kids. 396 00:24:27,230 --> 00:24:28,930 He went to the trial. 397 00:24:29,330 --> 00:24:30,850 I didn't go to the trial. 398 00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:34,670 I was medicating myself, trying to pass out every day. 399 00:24:35,250 --> 00:24:40,250 The only information we got was through Dad, because we weren't allowed to go to 400 00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:43,430 court. He just said, you're not going to court. That. 401 00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:48,450 It's amazing that the evidence was overwhelming, but without the body. 402 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,760 and without somebody to say, I saw her kill her. 403 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:58,600 She got convicted of aggravated kidnapping, got 33 years. I think she 404 00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,600 seven. 405 00:25:00,020 --> 00:25:03,580 Dad used to carry a piano string in his hand. He'd take a piano string and two 406 00:25:03,580 --> 00:25:06,980 pieces of wood, hold it in his hand. He was hoping to get close enough to her. 407 00:25:07,460 --> 00:25:10,980 Supposedly, it's what I've been told, he was hoping to get close enough to her 408 00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:13,780 so that he could be able to do that, and it would kill her. 409 00:25:14,620 --> 00:25:18,620 I was told there was four sheriffs in front and back and on the sides because 410 00:25:18,620 --> 00:25:19,620 Dad was so large. 411 00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:24,500 And they knew with a man that large, once he was mad, it was going to be hell 412 00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:25,500 pay. 413 00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:31,680 Well, I say murder's hard to prove. How can you prove murder? Go back to the 414 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,840 story. She works at a place that has an incinerator. 415 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,360 I believe that that's where they took her, whether she was conscious, 416 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,600 unconscious, or even dead. 417 00:25:41,050 --> 00:25:44,710 I think she found her way to the incinerator. Now there's no evidence. 418 00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:46,210 It's all gone. 419 00:25:47,490 --> 00:25:51,330 I just started thinking that who would have the most to lose here? 420 00:25:51,870 --> 00:25:54,350 What's the reason to get rid of her? 421 00:25:54,730 --> 00:25:58,690 And I thought, well, I mean, really, somebody who's got a lot to lose would 422 00:25:58,690 --> 00:26:03,870 Dad if she was going to expose him, you know, with the young girls and, you 423 00:26:03,870 --> 00:26:05,430 know, cost him his career. 424 00:26:05,770 --> 00:26:07,830 And so, yeah, I kind of questioned that. 425 00:26:08,580 --> 00:26:13,500 Richard really wanted to go to Unsolved Mysteries, and Dad actually told him he 426 00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:18,080 didn't want him to. Why in the world wouldn't you want that? They actually 427 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,560 murders. Dad was against it. 428 00:26:20,780 --> 00:26:24,240 So, you know, that throws in more suspicion there. 429 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,880 Yeah, there's a wild thought. Did Dad have something to do with it? Was he 430 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,180 involved? I don't know. 431 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,440 You could bring up a thousand questions on the whole ordeal. 432 00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:36,210 I wished I could say, man, I walked in there, I seen my dad, and he was just 433 00:26:36,210 --> 00:26:38,770 bawling his eyes out. It tore him to shreds. 434 00:26:39,170 --> 00:26:40,170 I never saw it. 435 00:26:41,670 --> 00:26:46,850 Although a conviction is made for the kidnapping of JoLynn Smith, Jake the 436 00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:51,310 Roberts and his siblings struggle to cope with the tragic loss of their 437 00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:58,870 Was there anything that you took from your experience growing up and put it 438 00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:59,870 your character? 439 00:27:00,110 --> 00:27:01,110 Oh, yeah, the hate. 440 00:27:03,019 --> 00:27:04,680 I used to hate it a lot, man. 441 00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:06,300 Thank you, Dad. 442 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,140 The whole snake character was me because I didn't want people looking at me. 443 00:27:12,540 --> 00:27:15,880 Look at the snake bag. Don't look at me. Don't ask me questions. Look at the 444 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:16,659 snake bag. 445 00:27:16,660 --> 00:27:19,040 And everybody fears that. Everybody knows that. 446 00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:22,740 Kids loved it because Mom and Dad went, oh, my God, a snake. And they loved 447 00:27:22,740 --> 00:27:23,860 seeing Mom and Dad do that. 448 00:27:24,780 --> 00:27:26,600 So therefore, they love Jake the Snake. 449 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,680 Crazy people. 450 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:36,240 As Jake's stardom continues to reach new heights, Robin seizes the opportunity 451 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,640 to pursue a career in wrestling. 452 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,920 I went to North Carolina and trained with Nelson Royal, who was a fabulous 453 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,000 wrestler and legend. 454 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,740 And Nelson trained her like one of the guys. 455 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,360 Wow, okay. 456 00:27:53,460 --> 00:27:59,080 I wanted to change things. I wanted the girls' matches to be just as... 457 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,280 It's exciting, you know, if they could, as a guy. 458 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,560 I mean, why not? 459 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,620 When Robin completes her training, she uses her father's connections to show 460 00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:14,420 her skills at a WWF TV taping, and she catches the attention of top promoter 461 00:28:14,420 --> 00:28:15,420 Vince McMahon. 462 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,160 So they put me on a dark match with Sherry. I couldn't tell you how long it 463 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,780 lasted. I mean, it's a complete, total blur to this day. I have no idea what 464 00:28:24,780 --> 00:28:25,780 happened. 465 00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:31,440 All I know is that when I got out, Mr. McMahon had said, oh, my God, she throws 466 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,460 a punch like a guy. 467 00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:35,000 And I was like, cool, all right. 468 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,020 And then the next thing I know, I get a package in the mail at my house that is 469 00:28:40,020 --> 00:28:44,360 airline tickets and schedule and all that. And I was like, wow. 470 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,020 You know, it was a total surprise. 471 00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:08,020 At the time, they had Grizz, Sam, Robin, and Jake were all working for the WWE 472 00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:09,020 at the time. 473 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,680 In wrestling, the best compliment that you can be given is that somebody say 474 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:16,680 you're a hell of a hand. 475 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:17,940 You're a good worker. 476 00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:24,030 That means that you can not only perform pro wrestling, at a high level, but you 477 00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:25,690 can do it without hurting your opponent. 478 00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:29,870 And Sam Houston was the best worker in the family. He was the lightest. He was 479 00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:32,110 actually too light. He was painfully thin. 480 00:29:32,350 --> 00:29:36,710 And that was what held him back from being used in a more prominent position, 481 00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:40,710 especially in the bigger territories, Crockett Promotions, the NWA. 482 00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:43,810 Poor Sam Houston. 483 00:29:44,670 --> 00:29:46,870 Unfortunately, Mike was like a lot of other wrestlers. 484 00:29:47,730 --> 00:29:51,710 He got to make good money and stuff, was doing good, and then went to drinking. 485 00:29:53,870 --> 00:29:55,830 What was his drinking like at the time? 486 00:29:59,830 --> 00:30:05,130 Whenever he told my dad that we were getting married, he had 32 crown and 487 00:30:06,850 --> 00:30:08,030 32? 32. 488 00:30:09,010 --> 00:30:13,370 It was amazing how much he could drink and still be able to walk. 489 00:30:13,790 --> 00:30:15,430 So did you see that as a problem for him? 490 00:30:17,390 --> 00:30:20,770 At the time, I thought I would love him enough that it would get better and it 491 00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:23,090 wouldn't matter and that my love could conquer all. 492 00:30:23,820 --> 00:30:24,820 It didn't. 493 00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:29,400 I just realized that it wasn't me. There was nothing I could have done. 494 00:30:29,620 --> 00:30:34,700 Addictive personality must run through our entire family. I mean, seriously. 495 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,520 Because there's very strong addictions. 496 00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:45,680 You have to find ways to put that self -respect back into yourself. 497 00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:53,420 After years of living on her own, Robin gets a surprise visit from her father, 498 00:30:53,540 --> 00:30:59,200 Grizzly. All rings, and I go to open it up, and I see him standing there, and 499 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,860 right by his side, this little girl about nine years old. 500 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:12,860 I could tell you the color, everything just drained from my body, and I 501 00:31:12,860 --> 00:31:15,300 knew for sure this girl was in trouble. 502 00:31:16,330 --> 00:31:21,550 So he comes in, and the first thing he says, can you make her a daiquiri? 503 00:31:22,290 --> 00:31:26,230 Do you have the stuff to make her a daiquiri? She wants to try daiquiri. It 504 00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:33,210 everything just not to absolutely come apart and come unglued. And I said, no, 505 00:31:33,210 --> 00:31:36,250 don't. Shortly after, he went to the back and... 506 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,319 He went to bed. 507 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,940 I stayed up with her all night. We never went to sleep. 508 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,960 And I wanted to ask questions, and I knew what questions to ask. 509 00:31:44,180 --> 00:31:48,380 I said, you know, sometimes does he pull off to the side of the road and want to 510 00:31:48,380 --> 00:31:50,280 give you a kiss? And she said, yeah. 511 00:31:50,580 --> 00:31:55,340 It didn't scare her, but she was like, but yeah, it makes me uncomfortable. 512 00:31:56,700 --> 00:32:00,400 He got up the next morning, got all his things together, and said, come on, we 513 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,160 got to go. And I said, you're going to go, but she's not going anywhere. 514 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,880 She's staying right here. 515 00:32:06,380 --> 00:32:11,860 I was not letting this girl go anywhere. I think that told him everything he 516 00:32:11,860 --> 00:32:13,600 needed to know about how I felt. 517 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,640 Reeling from the traumas endured in their adolescence, Jake, Robin, and Sam 518 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,540 battle addiction into adulthood. 519 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,300 But for Sam, the consequences become a matter of life or death. 520 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,740 Sam Houston had the all -time Texas state record for most DUI offenses. 521 00:32:36,429 --> 00:32:41,210 jailed for them long before that he was was because grizzly smith had been such 522 00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:46,150 a big name and such an important person in and knew so many people in the state 523 00:32:46,150 --> 00:32:50,170 of texas over all those years and etc that he was able to get him out of it he 524 00:32:50,170 --> 00:32:53,910 never spent more than a day or two in jail before grizz was right there and 525 00:32:53,910 --> 00:32:58,270 him out because he knew somebody and grizz just knew everybody and i think he 526 00:32:58,270 --> 00:33:04,230 knew something about everybody you managed to avoid jail for a while Was 527 00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:06,030 time when your dad was able to help you out with that? 528 00:33:06,270 --> 00:33:11,310 I really don't know because, I mean, everything I was ever charged with was 529 00:33:11,310 --> 00:33:15,130 always first offense or I think I got a second offense. 530 00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:19,930 There's basically always a fine that I'd have to pay and, you know, community 531 00:33:19,930 --> 00:33:24,730 service. Anytime I was doing anything like that, any kind of community 532 00:33:24,850 --> 00:33:25,890 I always gave it my all. 533 00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:30,190 I watched seven fire trucks one day for the parade, you know. 534 00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:37,080 After years of shocking repeat offenses and lenient punishments, Sam's luck has 535 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,039 run out. 536 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:43,720 Grizzly is unable to come to his rescue and Sam is ultimately sent to prison. 537 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,760 If they caught you doing something 20 -something times, how many times have 538 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:49,760 really done it? 539 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,800 Right? The Mothers Against Drunk Driving had gotten his record and had seen like 540 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,080 all the judges and all the magistrates that had gotten Sam off. 541 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,900 Finally, he did have to go to jail. 542 00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:05,180 They're telling me 30 years. 543 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,460 I was at the end of my rope. 544 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:15,739 So two days, January the 12th, two days, that Saturday night, I knew I had to 545 00:34:15,739 --> 00:34:16,960 break my neck when I jumped. 546 00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:20,460 I said, God, only you can stop this. 547 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,780 And I jumped. 548 00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:29,020 I'm going to tell you, I hit the ground with such force. 549 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,199 The soles of my feet were bruised for weeks. 550 00:34:34,860 --> 00:34:37,600 I know how to tie a knot. These knots broke. 551 00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:44,780 Meanwhile, Jake spirals deeper into new depths of drug and alcohol -fueled 552 00:34:44,780 --> 00:34:45,780 addiction. 553 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,480 I'm not going to sugarcoat this. A lot of people in professional wrestling, 554 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,219 like a lot of people in professional sports, a lot of people in rock and 555 00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:54,040 have had bad personal habits. 556 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,500 Having said that, Jake's were stunning. 557 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,120 The one guy that you would think, this guy's not going to make it, and somehow 558 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,640 he always did, and still has. 559 00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:08,140 He was like the Keith Richards of pro wrestling. 560 00:35:08,420 --> 00:35:13,740 The most important thing in my life for 20 years was cocaine. Above all things. 561 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:20,580 Above sex, above money, above children, above wives, above mama, above 562 00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:21,580 everything. 563 00:35:21,940 --> 00:35:23,180 Cocaine had to be number one. 564 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,960 That is really messed up. 565 00:35:28,140 --> 00:35:29,300 I will tell you this. 566 00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:34,180 Being in the limelight gets you things that you think you want or you need. 567 00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:38,980 Because when you do drugs, your idea of a good time changes, brother. 568 00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:40,920 You get kind of freaky. 569 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,660 You know, at first it was one girl, then it was two girls, and then it was three 570 00:35:47,660 --> 00:35:51,780 girls doing this with a rabbit and a dog and a donkey and a clown. Hey, having 571 00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:55,740 fun, sitting in the back of a chair with a lamp on my head. Yeah, it gets 572 00:35:55,740 --> 00:35:56,740 stupid. 573 00:35:57,710 --> 00:36:02,730 I guess one of the biggest lows in Jake's career was the Heroes of 574 00:36:02,730 --> 00:36:09,710 -per -view. And this is story number 747 ,000 of Jake Roberts showing up in 575 00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:13,030 no condition to perform or actually to function as a human being. 576 00:36:13,570 --> 00:36:17,490 A lot of the guys that night put in bad performances just because they were out 577 00:36:17,490 --> 00:36:21,470 of shape or past their prime. But with Jake, he was legitimately on planet 578 00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:22,470 Neptune. 579 00:36:22,620 --> 00:36:28,000 Everybody knew that Jake was not right. And he had a snake, which became a 580 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,000 phallic symbol. 581 00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:35,420 And it was a 10 -year period or more there where that more often than not, if 582 00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:39,620 Jake Roberts made a public appearance, you would hear about Jake Roberts doing 583 00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:41,160 something he shouldn't do in public. 584 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:42,960 I'm a junkie. 585 00:36:43,540 --> 00:36:45,300 I'm a liar. I'm a thief. 586 00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:51,000 Do you know how much they'll hate? 587 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,060 is involved in admitting that. 588 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,980 Hell, I had to look at myself in the mirror. I took all the mirrors down. The 589 00:36:56,980 --> 00:36:57,980 ones that didn't, I broke. 590 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,960 Within years of the WWF phasing out their women's division, Robin ends her 591 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,900 career as a wrestler and eventually hits her own rock bottom with alcohol abuse. 592 00:37:10,540 --> 00:37:15,000 Drinking was never a problem. I did it really well. 593 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:19,660 I was better than just about anybody at it. It wasn't necessarily because of... 594 00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:23,490 Not working as much. 595 00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:28,710 I think that had more to do with from my childhood. 596 00:37:30,830 --> 00:37:37,110 You know, unfortunately, the result of that is addiction. And even with that, I 597 00:37:37,110 --> 00:37:42,510 realized that it wasn't getting me anywhere. And, you know, my father 598 00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:46,230 childhood. And so I'll be damned if he ruins the rest of my life. 599 00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:54,850 On June 12, 2010, Grizzly Smith dies from complications due to Alzheimer's 600 00:37:54,850 --> 00:38:00,850 disease. He was 77 years old. His biological son, Richard, who was given 601 00:38:00,850 --> 00:38:04,830 adoption, would be Grizzly's sole caretaker until the end. 602 00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:13,110 I got through as quick as I could. 603 00:38:16,030 --> 00:38:17,090 And passed. 604 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,360 Yeah. It just passed. 605 00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:34,600 He died while I was in prison. 606 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,800 I'm in the worst place in the world. I just got the most devastating news in 607 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:39,800 world. 608 00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:42,740 Well, he's got a lot of good qualities. 609 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,120 And he was born out of love, and I still love him. 610 00:38:49,580 --> 00:38:53,400 I thought that with him passing, I wouldn't have to think of some things 611 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,400 anymore. 612 00:38:58,140 --> 00:39:00,100 But memories don't go away that easily. 613 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:07,940 Did he ever, at any point in his life, apologize or talk about what you guys 614 00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:08,960 did? No. No. 615 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:10,240 Hell no. 616 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,120 I don't think he thought. 617 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,380 No. I don't think he thought he did anything wrong. 618 00:39:15,020 --> 00:39:18,140 You know, there was never any kind of serious... 619 00:39:19,460 --> 00:39:22,340 conversation, apologies, anything like that. 620 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,640 I think he thought everything was just fine. 621 00:39:28,980 --> 00:39:34,760 A few years ago, we finally did. 622 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:41,020 I can't imagine. I can't imagine how devastating that could be to somebody. 623 00:39:41,610 --> 00:39:46,250 You know, and Robin, I guess, like my mom, you know, they knew as a child 624 00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:48,630 growing up that my father was Superman to me. 625 00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:54,150 And they wouldn't do anything to tarnish him because they cared for me so much. 626 00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:56,310 Sam idolized his dad. 627 00:39:56,550 --> 00:40:00,410 He probably would have forgiven his dad for it rather than help his sister. 628 00:40:02,010 --> 00:40:03,050 Why do you think that is? 629 00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:07,370 He could make Sam believe that it was Robin's fault. 630 00:40:07,650 --> 00:40:10,530 Or he could make Sam believe that it was Jake's fault. 631 00:40:11,230 --> 00:40:14,230 It wasn't Grizz's fault. It was somebody else's fault. 632 00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:20,590 I don't blame anybody at all for the lack of being together. 633 00:40:20,810 --> 00:40:23,650 That was all done early on by Dad. 634 00:40:23,970 --> 00:40:28,130 So, I mean, nobody dropped the ball. It's not anybody's fault. 635 00:40:28,610 --> 00:40:30,470 It just was how it was. 636 00:40:34,530 --> 00:40:35,690 That's me and Dad. 637 00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:38,230 I was probably 10. 638 00:40:39,340 --> 00:40:43,960 He never apologized for giving me up for adoption, and I never asked for it. 639 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,060 I have no complaints. 640 00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:47,260 I mean, how can I complain? 641 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,140 I'm the lucky one out of the bunch, the way I consider it. 642 00:40:51,740 --> 00:40:56,840 With Grizzly's death, his children finally feel safe enough to open up 643 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,680 their experiences from childhood. But their estrangement still exists today. 644 00:41:02,220 --> 00:41:07,080 I think there's a certain amount of hope that Robin and I could be friends. 645 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,700 I respect her and I love her very much. 646 00:41:11,580 --> 00:41:13,280 And it would be nice to have a sister. 647 00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:20,060 Yeah, I'd love to be close with everybody, you know. I understand that 648 00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:21,260 got, like, different paths. 649 00:41:22,420 --> 00:41:24,620 I wish I could have spent more time with my siblings. 650 00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:27,140 Yeah, it sounds good, yeah. 651 00:41:27,620 --> 00:41:28,620 I'd like to try. 652 00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:31,820 And after this, I mean, there's a lot of thoughts going through my mind right 653 00:41:31,820 --> 00:41:32,820 now. 654 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,620 Maybe I've got to figure out how to do that. 655 00:41:37,779 --> 00:41:38,779 bridging it across. 656 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,960 You know, I think this is opening some communication. 657 00:41:42,780 --> 00:41:47,560 It might have a little to do with bringing us a little bit closer in. 658 00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:52,380 I guess this is why I agreed to go ahead and talk about it was that I want 659 00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:55,220 people to really know it's very, very tough. 660 00:41:55,420 --> 00:41:59,500 And I would never say it's easy to get past it. I don't know that you ever do 661 00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:03,100 get past it, but you don't have to stay in it. 662 00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:04,940 You can be successful. 663 00:42:05,260 --> 00:42:06,260 You can. 664 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:10,580 Overcome it. And for God's sake, if there's something you're going through 665 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,000 if anybody's going through it now, tell somebody. 666 00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:17,320 You've got to tell somebody. It will not stop. 667 00:42:17,780 --> 00:42:19,160 You have to tell somebody. 668 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,060 And you will get help. 669 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,540 What I want to tell you is this. You can't glorify what happened to me. 670 00:42:25,780 --> 00:42:27,120 But I ain't the only one. 671 00:42:27,860 --> 00:42:32,480 There's millions of other kids that are going through the same thing as I speak. 672 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,400 If you're one of those kids, run. 673 00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:40,340 Run like the wind. 674 00:42:41,140 --> 00:42:43,880 Go to the police. Go to your pastor. 675 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:45,840 Just go. 676 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,900 And if it's already happened to you, you've got to get help. 677 00:42:53,780 --> 00:42:57,220 I'm 65 now, and I'm not ashamed anymore. 678 00:42:57,820 --> 00:43:02,000 Still a little angry at times, but not so angry that I have to medicate it. 679 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,440 I've been sober now for 10 years. 680 00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:10,340 10 years. I did it. I made it all the way back. 681 00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:17,100 The bottom line is never, ever, ever give up. 58858

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