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Jake the Snake Roberts is one of the
most authentic personalities the
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world has ever seen.
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I'll drop you so fast that DDT, your
whole family will fall down.
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Behind his raw intensity lies the depth
of personal trauma, which has shaped his
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iconic in -ring persona.
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How can anything that looks so hot be so
cold?
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Well, it's easy. You see, time has done
that to me.
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Unknown to fans for years, wrestlers Sam
Houston and Rockin' Robin are Jake the
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Snake's real -life brother and sister.
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Each followed in the footsteps of their
father, wrestling giant Grizzly Smith.
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The control that Grizz had over his
kids, he could pit them all against each
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other because he was the master of
everything.
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He was the puppeteer.
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Scarred by traumatic childhood, the
Smith children followed self
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paths. and each battled addictions that
nearly destroyed their lives.
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You know how hard it is to put a smile
on your face when you know what a piece
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of shit you really are?
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I'd been in prison two days and I tried
to hang my... It's the very, very young
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girl that seemed to be the trigger. And
I was scared of him, just totally scared
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of him.
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This is JoLynn here.
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Without a body, I'll murder.
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Decades later, the Smith family finally
faced their haunted past in order to
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survive beyond the ring.
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Lies have consequences.
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If you want to feel pain, then you have
to go from the top and get knocked to
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the bottom.
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That's when you feel real pain.
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None of us wants to talk about what
happened.
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It's painful.
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There's just too damn much that gets
drug out.
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There's no relationship.
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There was no pat each other on the back
shit. There was no I'm happy for you.
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You would have never thought we were
brothers and sisters, that's for sure.
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Why were you guys not close?
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Because we were always that way. We had
just been kind of raised at a distance.
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Since the formulation of professional
wrestling as an organized sport, it's
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a family business to a lot of the
participants.
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There's been a lot of well -known
wrestling families like the Hart family
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Calgary, the Von Eriks from Texas.
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You could trust family members with the
business secrets and the secrets in the
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ring because they were your blood. And
also, they had a vested interest in the
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success of the industry because it was
their livelihood as well.
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I'm Jim Cornette. For over 40 years,
I've been a part of professional
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as an announcer, manager, promoter, but
also I've been a student of professional
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wrestling history for over 50 years.
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So can you give us an introduction to
the Smith family?
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Even though the Smith family was all
related, the people inside the industry
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knew that, but to the fans, Jake
Roberts, Sam Houston, Rockin' Robin,
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Smith, were all different people. There
was no knowledge publicly that they were
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related. You know, in all honesty, Sam
Houston was the best in -ring performer
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of the entire family. My name is Michael
Smith, a .k .a. Sam Houston.
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How I fit into the Smith family, I'm one
of them. Depending on who you look at,
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I mean, I'm somebody's father, I'm
somebody's son, I'm somebody's brother.
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Through our family, first Jake's the
oldest, then Richard, then myself, and
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Robin. Robin's one of the best women
world champions, you know, ever come
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the line.
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And she's my sister.
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It's an honor for me to say that.
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Tell us the name that you wrestle under.
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Many years ago, Rockin' Robin.
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Rockin' Robin!
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Do you know how that name came about?
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Actually, it was just kind of a lazy
thing.
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One of my first matches, they said, what
do you want to be announced as? And I
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just said, okay, Rockin' Robin.
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I think I would have liked to have tried
out Rotten Robin.
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I think that would have been fun.
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I'm Robin Smith, and from the Smith
family, I am the sister of Jake the
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Robert, Sam Houston, and then I have
another brother that a lot of people
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know about, Richard.
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My name is Richard Neighbors, and Arian
Smith is my father, and Jake Roberts is
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my brother, Sam Houston is my brother,
and Robin Smith is my sister.
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So can you tell us who Arian Smith Jr.
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is? That's Jake.
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This is Jake and myself.
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Jake is Stank Roberts' wrestling name.
When he was growing up in high school,
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grandmother and stuff called him Buster.
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That was his nickname.
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I kind of stuck with him for years.
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Jake's what he wrestles by.
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So why wasn't getting involved in
wrestling anything that was interesting
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you? I didn't want to travel like that.
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It's not a lifestyle.
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But Jake likes the tension.
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He likes all the stardom being on him.
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Please welcome Jake the Tank Robert.
When he walks in a room, I mean, it's
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you know, he wants it all to be there.
And that's from being in the ring,
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Smithy, being in that business.
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It's just a rat race.
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It wasn't me.
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Jake Roberts is a wrestler, had
strengths and had weaknesses.
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Jake Roberts was never a high -level
amateur athlete. He didn't have a
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ridiculous physique.
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But what Jake knew and understood was
the mental aspect of pro wrestling, the
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psychology of it. By growing up with a
father in wrestling and by learning how
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to think of it, and he had the verbal
ability.
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Don't come calling me a sicko, because,
brother, if you look at yourself in the
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mirror, I think you'll find out one
thing.
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You're no different than me if you tell
yourself the truth.
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Jake the Snake Roberts, once he fully
developed that persona, was able to...
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make you believe that he really was a
snake in the grass.
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And there was probably some truth to it.
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He was kind of a dad's shadow in a way.
I think he spent as much time as he
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could with dad. And I mean, I got to
learn in the ropes, you know.
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That's dad and Jake.
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Jake the Snake. Robert Shearer.
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Real name is Aurelian Smith Jr.
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Now you know why I went with Jake's
name.
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So your career in wrestling, what was
your dad's reaction to your interest in
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wanting to do that?
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He didn't want me in wrestling, period.
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In fact, he got me fired a couple
places, asked the promoters to fire me
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me out.
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I got humiliated. I got stretched.
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I got tore up. Basically crawled back to
the locker room, and my father looked
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at me and said, I'm ashamed of you.
You're gutless, and you'll never amount
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anything.
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That was my whole drive.
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I got into wrestling because I hated my
father.
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And I was going to break it off in his
ass.
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I wanted to hear my father say, I'm
proud of you, son.
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I'm really proud of you.
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You know, he never told me that.
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He'd tell other wrestlers he was proud
of him, but he wouldn't tell me.
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Never.
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And that was my drive.
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So do you know how your dad got involved
in wrestling?
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He had worked in the oil fields. He met
someone that knew about wrestling or was
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involved in wrestling and, you know, saw
this big, humongous dude, you know, and
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said, you'd probably be good.
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He would line up on Friday afternoon
where they all got paid outside the
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railroad yard, and he would stand up
against the wall, and the guys would pay
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him 25 to 50 cents.
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They would pay him if they could just
draw back and hit him in the stomach as
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hard as he could because it was a bet to
try to make him double over.
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He would make more money that afternoon
in an hour's time than he would the
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whole week.
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So then he got the wild hair and he went
to get into wrestling.
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He was 7 foot tall, about 350 pounds,
long red hair, big beard.
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Looked like he just walked right out of
the woods.
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He wore a pair of blue jeans and had a
rope, a piece of sash cord.
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That's what it's called.
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That was his belt.
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If he could ever get a hold of somebody
and wrap his arms around him, then that
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was it.
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For you, as a young kid, to watch your
dad wrestle, how did it make you feel?
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Wow, how did it make me feel?
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Yeah. I was honored. I mean, Superman
was my dad.
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He's the main event.
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He's the biggest thing on the card. He
really was the biggest thing on the
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I used to get really freaked out when
I'd go to the matches and stuff, and I'd
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be inside the matches watching him.
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He'd get his head busted open or, you
know, scratched, and he'd go to bleeding
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and stuff.
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I'm six, seven, eight years old, and I'm
totally flipped.
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So I'd get out of the ring, and I'd go
back to the back with him, and I'd be
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crying my eyes out, and he'd go back
there, and he'd sit down, and the doc
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look at him. He'd say, Chris, I told you
I can't do anything else with your head
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because of the skin. The tissue was tore
up so bad.
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They'd take it and clean him up, put a
butterfly band -aid on it. Okay, see you
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tomorrow night.
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And then he would travel to the next
town. It's just an ongoing thing.
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I used to think when I was a kid, why
does he want to do that?
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He'd come and say, I've got to make a
living.
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I think one of the things that has
helped me to understand life and to
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life as much as I do is my father.
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He would give you a whipping for lying
to him.
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He'd give you a whipping whenever he
thought you needed it.
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He'd give you a whipping for making a
mistake.
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My father was a mean man. Mean in the
way that he tortured us psychologically.
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He would play the angle out at home.
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His injuries.
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His feeling of the upcoming match.
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How dangerous this match was going to be
with those guys.
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You know, I look back now and I say, why
didn't I figure it out? You know, they
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kept showing up in the same territory my
dad would go to every damn time. What
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the hell? These guys are chasing my
father down. They're going to kill him.
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I remember crying myself to sleep many a
night thinking my dad was going to die.
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And that bastard never told us anything.
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By the end of the 70s, Grizzly Smith
retired from wrestling in the ring and
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transitioned to a management position
behind the scenes.
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But he would use his power and influence
for something much more sinister.
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You know, I've been around the business
for a little while at that point. And
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when I first got there and was in the
locker room hearing all the other people
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who had known Grizzly longer, been
around him, talk about him.
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The wrestlers always had a way of
knocking or talking behind the back of
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authority figure or the office
personnel.
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But I'd never heard it like this. Every
joke, wherever Grizzly wasn't, every
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single little statement had something to
do with, I wonder if Grizzly's
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mentoring the young girls or he's
probably got one of them on his lap
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her Bible verses.
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And they would laugh and they thought
that was funny. I'm like that.
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Kind of strange. And I had no idea of
the backstory that the family
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had that would come out in years and
decades later on.
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Everybody knew Grizz. Everybody had good
things to say about him. You wanted to
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do road trips with him because you
wanted to pick his brain about, like,
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could I make myself better? How do I
make more money?
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My name is Nicola Roberts.
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I worked in the wrestling profession.
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My dad promoted in Lubbock, Texas. Both
of my parents were wrestlers.
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But how I actually met and got into the
Smith family, I think this was like
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April of 85.
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I kind of started talking to Sam a
little bit then, and July 30th was the
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first day that we kissed, and we got
married a year to the date from there.
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Baby doll is mother of my children. I
love her immensely. I always will.
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What was your experience with Grizzly
Smith?
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The craziest thing to go along with the
whole Grizzly Smith and the weirdness of
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it was to do a road trip with him. We
would, like, all of a sudden be, like,
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miles off the road picking up some 14-,
15 -year -old girl.
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Then she was going to ride with us for
three to four days.
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And it was just like, you're going to...
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Okay.
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And then her parents were, like, waving
on the front yard, like, bye, see you on
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Tuesday.
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It was really weird because it wasn't
until after his death that you kind of
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start finding out, you know, the whole
whirlwind of the stories and the whole
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just horrible stuff that was going on.
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And I was there.
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And you kind of get that feeling like,
okay, something's not quite right. And
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you look for it.
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I was right there and I never thought.
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Before embarking on a career in the ring
as Jake the Snake Roberts, Aurelian
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Smith Jr.
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endures a traumatic childhood which
would be a source of torment for the
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his life.
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Jake was a mean son of a bitch that
didn't care about nothing.
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And there's nothing that's out of bounds
with Jake.
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Aurelian, completely different cat.
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Aurelian hasn't grown since he was 12,
13 years old. I put him away a long time
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ago.
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I had to.
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It hurt too much.
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I don't think I've been Aurelian in 30
or 40 years. And I don't know that I
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will be again.
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Aurelian feels it.
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Aurelian remembers it.
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And Aurelian's crippled and can't do
nothing about it.
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But I am more comfortable with Jake now.
I respect Jake.
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I know how dangerous Jake would be.
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Jake's okay as long as you got him
handcuffed, you know.
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Really, seriously.
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Really a very scared kid.
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And again, I don't think I've grown
since I was a puppy.
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When most of that stuff started
happening.
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What can you tell us about your mother
and where she came from and how she
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up with your father?
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She was 13 when I was born.
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My father was a pedophile.
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Disgusting. Pedophile.
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Which would haunt me the rest of my
life.
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By the age of 17, then he divorced my
mother.
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And he left and went on the road.
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Leaving us all behind.
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Kids got passed out. My little brother
Richard was passed out to my dad's
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and her husband. They couldn't have
children.
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My sister, JoLynn, she was tossed
everywhere.
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She spent too much time with my dad, you
know what I mean?
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My mother was blind to a lot of this.
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I had a great mother, wonderful mother,
loving mother.
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After his parents split up, Jake lives
an idyllic life with his grandmother
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until she passes away when he is 11
years old, forcing him to move back in
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his father and his new wife, Marsha.
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I thought it was going to be the
greatest thing he ever meant. This is
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be so cool.
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Well, it wasn't cool.
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He was forced to take me home with him.
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Shortly after I moved in with him, his
wife started playing games, sometimes
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games that weren't so funny, sexual
games.
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I went to my dad and told him one time.
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She stopped me right in the middle of
it.
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Said, I'll tend to you later.
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And she went in and talked to my dad the
next day. She beat me with a damn
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clothes hanger and fly swatter.
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It's one thing to have sex, but it's
another thing to get beaten for doing
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Freaked me out.
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Little did I know my father was aware of
all that.
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Because he was doing the same thing to
my sisters.
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First, I want to say this, is that my
intention is not to destroy a legacy
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was, you know, my dad was great at what
he did. He could be a hero, but to
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me, he was my monster.
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I guess just going back to when it all
started, I was probably eight or nine
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years old.
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The wild thing about it was, was that I
remember about a
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month before the first thing ever
happened, he basically was
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working me. And this is part of the
manipulation that I think that people
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do to kind of groom you and get you
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where they want you, basically.
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So for about a month or so before the
first thing ever happened, he was
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around completely ignoring me. He
couldn't stand to be in the same room.
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You know, as an 8 -year -old kid, I
mean, you think, what in the world have
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done? All you want is the love of your
parents, right?
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Then one day, my mother was gone. And he
worked during the day. He was home
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working in the office in the back. And
so he called me in the back just to say,
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well, You know, you know Daddy loves
you.
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And, I mean, I was so relieved that, you
know, oh, he does love me. He doesn't
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hate me. And that turned into the first
time he put his hands on me.
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So, you come out of that real confused
and real,
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you know, had no idea how to process
that. I mean, you just don't.
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I think that very day it strips you of,
Your security, it strips you of your
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self -worth, self -respect, innocence.
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It strips you of all the things that
make you a child.
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It really does.
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How long did that period last?
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I think from when I was about 8 until
about 14.
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I told my mother about it, and she
gathered up everything, and we left.
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At about 15, I actually remember telling
him that if he ever did anything again,
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that I would shoot him with his own gun
because I knew where they were.
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Jake has spoken about some
inappropriateness from being around your
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What do you know about that?
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All I can tell you is that my mother was
not the kind of person that would have
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tried to be inappropriate.
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If something happened with my mother,
I...
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I tend to think that my dad probably
asked her to do something that she never
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would have done just for his own
whatever pleasure.
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She was, what, 16, if, whenever they got
married.
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So, I mean, she was very, very young.
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When Robin is 15 years old, her half
-sister, JoLynn, Grizzly's other
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pays her an unexpected visit.
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She came, she picked me up, and we went
out, we went shopping.
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To me, it seemed like there was
something that she was wanting to tell
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talk to me about or ask me.
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She was just asking quite a few
questions. Her main thing was, do I feel
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Do I feel comfortable?
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I think she wanted to know if I had gone
through the same thing because there
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was no doubt in my mind that the same
thing happened to her.
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I don't doubt it to this day.
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It just seemed like there was an awful
lot on her mind.
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And then it was about two weeks later
when she was kidnapped.
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Richard and Mike and I were at a roller
skating rink. We had gone over there,
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gone skating, and they came over the
intercom and said, Robin, Mike, Richard,
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the Smith family.
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Got a phone call.
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It was Dad, and I told him, I said, you
need to get home. Get home immediately.
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So we got home.
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Dad left a note in the house that said
JoLynn had been kidnapped.
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I thought it was kind of crazy at first,
because I was like, how does he know
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she's been kidnapped? Was there a
ransom, or what was going on?
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Richard put his hand through the wall.
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I busted it.
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I totally lost it.
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They were very close, Richard and
JoLynn.
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Closer than any of us.
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Somebody has hurt my sister. I need to
find out what my next step is.
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I couldn't understand why somebody
wanted to kidnap somebody who was so
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She never hurt anybody.
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She had no intentions on hurting
anybody.
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She just wanted to live a happy, free
life.
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And she was finally happy.
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She had a kid. That mission was
accomplished.
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It was a quiet, peaceful treader park
she was living in. She finally had it
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going on. And then this.
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When you talk about murder, kidnapping,
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armed robbery, something like that. No,
we just didn't have that. That just
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wasn't in Tatum, Texas.
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My name's Carl Gates.
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My nickname's Buzz. I've been Buzz all
my life.
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I'm 69 years old. In 1979, I was 28, and
I was chief of police at Tatum, Texas.
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As I remember, just on routine patrol
one particular morning, and the manager
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from the Cherry Hill mobile home park
flagged me down. I knew him. He said, I
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had a kidnapping out here at the trailer
park.
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JoLynn was there with little Ted, her
baby.
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They grabbed her and pulled her out and
threw her in this car and took off.
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JoLynn was 5 '10", probably weighed 200.
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You ain't going to take her down by
yourself.
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Me and her, you'd razzle.
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And she's tough.
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So there ain't no way one person loaded
her in that car.
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Went right to it pretty quick, got out
there, and the door was open.
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Of course, we hear something in the
house.
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What's that? He said, well, her baby's
in there.
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The baby's fine. Well, no problem.
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Then the husband got there. We got in,
and I noticed some letters on the little
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table there by the door. I said, one of
these are addressed to your wife.
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I said, that's my ex -wife. She would
send threatening letters to her.
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With the menacing letters as evidence,
authorities' number one suspect becomes
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Phelan Rogers, the ex -wife of JoLynn's
husband.
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Investigators discover incriminating
evidence in Phelan's car, and she
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eventually confesses to the kidnapping,
but she claims JoLynn escaped shortly
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after the abduction.
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Searching? Oh, Lord have mercy. We had
search parties out. We had helicopters.
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We had horses. We had motorcycles. We
had people on foot.
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We had a psychic called.
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She came down.
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I think I can help you out. I think I'm
getting messages from JoLynn.
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She was given personal possession of
Jolynn.
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She was saying, it's just dark, maybe
like a well or something.
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Let's start looking for abandoned wells.
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And we got information on a couple of
them that had been covered or filled in.
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So we went out, we checked them. We
never found a body.
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Jolynn's body is never recovered, making
a murder charge impossible.
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Phelan is brought to court, indicted on
the lesser charge of kidnapping.
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The Smith family is devastated.
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I think that's probably the first time
my father ever missed a wrestling match
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with one of my sister's kids.
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He went to the trial.
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I didn't go to the trial.
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I was medicating myself, trying to pass
out every day.
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The only information we got was through
Dad, because we weren't allowed to go to
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court. He just said, you're not going to
court. That.
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It's amazing that the evidence was
overwhelming, but without the body.
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and without somebody to say, I saw her
kill her.
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She got convicted of aggravated
kidnapping, got 33 years. I think she
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seven.
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Dad used to carry a piano string in his
hand. He'd take a piano string and two
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pieces of wood, hold it in his hand. He
was hoping to get close enough to her.
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Supposedly, it's what I've been told, he
was hoping to get close enough to her
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so that he could be able to do that, and
it would kill her.
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I was told there was four sheriffs in
front and back and on the sides because
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Dad was so large.
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And they knew with a man that large,
once he was mad, it was going to be hell
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pay.
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Well, I say murder's hard to prove. How
can you prove murder? Go back to the
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story. She works at a place that has an
incinerator.
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I believe that that's where they took
her, whether she was conscious,
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unconscious, or even dead.
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I think she found her way to the
incinerator. Now there's no evidence.
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It's all gone.
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I just started thinking that who would
have the most to lose here?
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What's the reason to get rid of her?
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And I thought, well, I mean, really,
somebody who's got a lot to lose would
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Dad if she was going to expose him, you
know, with the young girls and, you
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know, cost him his career.
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And so, yeah, I kind of questioned that.
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Richard really wanted to go to Unsolved
Mysteries, and Dad actually told him he
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didn't want him to. Why in the world
wouldn't you want that? They actually
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murders. Dad was against it.
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So, you know, that throws in more
suspicion there.
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Yeah, there's a wild thought. Did Dad
have something to do with it? Was he
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involved? I don't know.
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You could bring up a thousand questions
on the whole ordeal.
432
00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:36,210
I wished I could say, man, I walked in
there, I seen my dad, and he was just
433
00:26:36,210 --> 00:26:38,770
bawling his eyes out. It tore him to
shreds.
434
00:26:39,170 --> 00:26:40,170
I never saw it.
435
00:26:41,670 --> 00:26:46,850
Although a conviction is made for the
kidnapping of JoLynn Smith, Jake the
436
00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:51,310
Roberts and his siblings struggle to
cope with the tragic loss of their
437
00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:58,870
Was there anything that you took from
your experience growing up and put it
438
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:59,870
your character?
439
00:27:00,110 --> 00:27:01,110
Oh, yeah, the hate.
440
00:27:03,019 --> 00:27:04,680
I used to hate it a lot, man.
441
00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:06,300
Thank you, Dad.
442
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,140
The whole snake character was me because
I didn't want people looking at me.
443
00:27:12,540 --> 00:27:15,880
Look at the snake bag. Don't look at me.
Don't ask me questions. Look at the
444
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:16,659
snake bag.
445
00:27:16,660 --> 00:27:19,040
And everybody fears that. Everybody
knows that.
446
00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:22,740
Kids loved it because Mom and Dad went,
oh, my God, a snake. And they loved
447
00:27:22,740 --> 00:27:23,860
seeing Mom and Dad do that.
448
00:27:24,780 --> 00:27:26,600
So therefore, they love Jake the Snake.
449
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,680
Crazy people.
450
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:36,240
As Jake's stardom continues to reach new
heights, Robin seizes the opportunity
451
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,640
to pursue a career in wrestling.
452
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,920
I went to North Carolina and trained
with Nelson Royal, who was a fabulous
453
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,000
wrestler and legend.
454
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,740
And Nelson trained her like one of the
guys.
455
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,360
Wow, okay.
456
00:27:53,460 --> 00:27:59,080
I wanted to change things. I wanted the
girls' matches to be just as...
457
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,280
It's exciting, you know, if they could,
as a guy.
458
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,560
I mean, why not?
459
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,620
When Robin completes her training, she
uses her father's connections to show
460
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:14,420
her skills at a WWF TV taping, and she
catches the attention of top promoter
461
00:28:14,420 --> 00:28:15,420
Vince McMahon.
462
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,160
So they put me on a dark match with
Sherry. I couldn't tell you how long it
463
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,780
lasted. I mean, it's a complete, total
blur to this day. I have no idea what
464
00:28:24,780 --> 00:28:25,780
happened.
465
00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:31,440
All I know is that when I got out, Mr.
McMahon had said, oh, my God, she throws
466
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,460
a punch like a guy.
467
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:35,000
And I was like, cool, all right.
468
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,020
And then the next thing I know, I get a
package in the mail at my house that is
469
00:28:40,020 --> 00:28:44,360
airline tickets and schedule and all
that. And I was like, wow.
470
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,020
You know, it was a total surprise.
471
00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:08,020
At the time, they had Grizz, Sam, Robin,
and Jake were all working for the WWE
472
00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:09,020
at the time.
473
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,680
In wrestling, the best compliment that
you can be given is that somebody say
474
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:16,680
you're a hell of a hand.
475
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:17,940
You're a good worker.
476
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:24,030
That means that you can not only perform
pro wrestling, at a high level, but you
477
00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:25,690
can do it without hurting your opponent.
478
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:29,870
And Sam Houston was the best worker in
the family. He was the lightest. He was
479
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:32,110
actually too light. He was painfully
thin.
480
00:29:32,350 --> 00:29:36,710
And that was what held him back from
being used in a more prominent position,
481
00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:40,710
especially in the bigger territories,
Crockett Promotions, the NWA.
482
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:43,810
Poor Sam Houston.
483
00:29:44,670 --> 00:29:46,870
Unfortunately, Mike was like a lot of
other wrestlers.
484
00:29:47,730 --> 00:29:51,710
He got to make good money and stuff, was
doing good, and then went to drinking.
485
00:29:53,870 --> 00:29:55,830
What was his drinking like at the time?
486
00:29:59,830 --> 00:30:05,130
Whenever he told my dad that we were
getting married, he had 32 crown and
487
00:30:06,850 --> 00:30:08,030
32? 32.
488
00:30:09,010 --> 00:30:13,370
It was amazing how much he could drink
and still be able to walk.
489
00:30:13,790 --> 00:30:15,430
So did you see that as a problem for
him?
490
00:30:17,390 --> 00:30:20,770
At the time, I thought I would love him
enough that it would get better and it
491
00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:23,090
wouldn't matter and that my love could
conquer all.
492
00:30:23,820 --> 00:30:24,820
It didn't.
493
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:29,400
I just realized that it wasn't me. There
was nothing I could have done.
494
00:30:29,620 --> 00:30:34,700
Addictive personality must run through
our entire family. I mean, seriously.
495
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,520
Because there's very strong addictions.
496
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:45,680
You have to find ways to put that self
-respect back into yourself.
497
00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:53,420
After years of living on her own, Robin
gets a surprise visit from her father,
498
00:30:53,540 --> 00:30:59,200
Grizzly. All rings, and I go to open it
up, and I see him standing there, and
499
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,860
right by his side, this little girl
about nine years old.
500
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:12,860
I could tell you the color, everything
just drained from my body, and I
501
00:31:12,860 --> 00:31:15,300
knew for sure this girl was in trouble.
502
00:31:16,330 --> 00:31:21,550
So he comes in, and the first thing he
says, can you make her a daiquiri?
503
00:31:22,290 --> 00:31:26,230
Do you have the stuff to make her a
daiquiri? She wants to try daiquiri. It
504
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:33,210
everything just not to absolutely come
apart and come unglued. And I said, no,
505
00:31:33,210 --> 00:31:36,250
don't. Shortly after, he went to the
back and...
506
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,319
He went to bed.
507
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,940
I stayed up with her all night. We never
went to sleep.
508
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,960
And I wanted to ask questions, and I
knew what questions to ask.
509
00:31:44,180 --> 00:31:48,380
I said, you know, sometimes does he pull
off to the side of the road and want to
510
00:31:48,380 --> 00:31:50,280
give you a kiss? And she said, yeah.
511
00:31:50,580 --> 00:31:55,340
It didn't scare her, but she was like,
but yeah, it makes me uncomfortable.
512
00:31:56,700 --> 00:32:00,400
He got up the next morning, got all his
things together, and said, come on, we
513
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,160
got to go. And I said, you're going to
go, but she's not going anywhere.
514
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,880
She's staying right here.
515
00:32:06,380 --> 00:32:11,860
I was not letting this girl go anywhere.
I think that told him everything he
516
00:32:11,860 --> 00:32:13,600
needed to know about how I felt.
517
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,640
Reeling from the traumas endured in
their adolescence, Jake, Robin, and Sam
518
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,540
battle addiction into adulthood.
519
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,300
But for Sam, the consequences become a
matter of life or death.
520
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,740
Sam Houston had the all -time Texas
state record for most DUI offenses.
521
00:32:36,429 --> 00:32:41,210
jailed for them long before that he was
was because grizzly smith had been such
522
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:46,150
a big name and such an important person
in and knew so many people in the state
523
00:32:46,150 --> 00:32:50,170
of texas over all those years and etc
that he was able to get him out of it he
524
00:32:50,170 --> 00:32:53,910
never spent more than a day or two in
jail before grizz was right there and
525
00:32:53,910 --> 00:32:58,270
him out because he knew somebody and
grizz just knew everybody and i think he
526
00:32:58,270 --> 00:33:04,230
knew something about everybody you
managed to avoid jail for a while Was
527
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:06,030
time when your dad was able to help you
out with that?
528
00:33:06,270 --> 00:33:11,310
I really don't know because, I mean,
everything I was ever charged with was
529
00:33:11,310 --> 00:33:15,130
always first offense or I think I got a
second offense.
530
00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:19,930
There's basically always a fine that I'd
have to pay and, you know, community
531
00:33:19,930 --> 00:33:24,730
service. Anytime I was doing anything
like that, any kind of community
532
00:33:24,850 --> 00:33:25,890
I always gave it my all.
533
00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:30,190
I watched seven fire trucks one day for
the parade, you know.
534
00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:37,080
After years of shocking repeat offenses
and lenient punishments, Sam's luck has
535
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,039
run out.
536
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:43,720
Grizzly is unable to come to his rescue
and Sam is ultimately sent to prison.
537
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,760
If they caught you doing something 20
-something times, how many times have
538
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:49,760
really done it?
539
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,800
Right? The Mothers Against Drunk Driving
had gotten his record and had seen like
540
00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,080
all the judges and all the magistrates
that had gotten Sam off.
541
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,900
Finally, he did have to go to jail.
542
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:05,180
They're telling me 30 years.
543
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,460
I was at the end of my rope.
544
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:15,739
So two days, January the 12th, two days,
that Saturday night, I knew I had to
545
00:34:15,739 --> 00:34:16,960
break my neck when I jumped.
546
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:20,460
I said, God, only you can stop this.
547
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,780
And I jumped.
548
00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:29,020
I'm going to tell you, I hit the ground
with such force.
549
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,199
The soles of my feet were bruised for
weeks.
550
00:34:34,860 --> 00:34:37,600
I know how to tie a knot. These knots
broke.
551
00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:44,780
Meanwhile, Jake spirals deeper into new
depths of drug and alcohol -fueled
552
00:34:44,780 --> 00:34:45,780
addiction.
553
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,480
I'm not going to sugarcoat this. A lot
of people in professional wrestling,
554
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,219
like a lot of people in professional
sports, a lot of people in rock and
555
00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:54,040
have had bad personal habits.
556
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,500
Having said that, Jake's were stunning.
557
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,120
The one guy that you would think, this
guy's not going to make it, and somehow
558
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,640
he always did, and still has.
559
00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:08,140
He was like the Keith Richards of pro
wrestling.
560
00:35:08,420 --> 00:35:13,740
The most important thing in my life for
20 years was cocaine. Above all things.
561
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:20,580
Above sex, above money, above children,
above wives, above mama, above
562
00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:21,580
everything.
563
00:35:21,940 --> 00:35:23,180
Cocaine had to be number one.
564
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,960
That is really messed up.
565
00:35:28,140 --> 00:35:29,300
I will tell you this.
566
00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:34,180
Being in the limelight gets you things
that you think you want or you need.
567
00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:38,980
Because when you do drugs, your idea of
a good time changes, brother.
568
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:40,920
You get kind of freaky.
569
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,660
You know, at first it was one girl, then
it was two girls, and then it was three
570
00:35:47,660 --> 00:35:51,780
girls doing this with a rabbit and a dog
and a donkey and a clown. Hey, having
571
00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:55,740
fun, sitting in the back of a chair with
a lamp on my head. Yeah, it gets
572
00:35:55,740 --> 00:35:56,740
stupid.
573
00:35:57,710 --> 00:36:02,730
I guess one of the biggest lows in
Jake's career was the Heroes of
574
00:36:02,730 --> 00:36:09,710
-per -view. And this is story number 747
,000 of Jake Roberts showing up in
575
00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:13,030
no condition to perform or actually to
function as a human being.
576
00:36:13,570 --> 00:36:17,490
A lot of the guys that night put in bad
performances just because they were out
577
00:36:17,490 --> 00:36:21,470
of shape or past their prime. But with
Jake, he was legitimately on planet
578
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:22,470
Neptune.
579
00:36:22,620 --> 00:36:28,000
Everybody knew that Jake was not right.
And he had a snake, which became a
580
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,000
phallic symbol.
581
00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:35,420
And it was a 10 -year period or more
there where that more often than not, if
582
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:39,620
Jake Roberts made a public appearance,
you would hear about Jake Roberts doing
583
00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:41,160
something he shouldn't do in public.
584
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:42,960
I'm a junkie.
585
00:36:43,540 --> 00:36:45,300
I'm a liar. I'm a thief.
586
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:51,000
Do you know how much they'll hate?
587
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,060
is involved in admitting that.
588
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,980
Hell, I had to look at myself in the
mirror. I took all the mirrors down. The
589
00:36:56,980 --> 00:36:57,980
ones that didn't, I broke.
590
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,960
Within years of the WWF phasing out
their women's division, Robin ends her
591
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,900
career as a wrestler and eventually hits
her own rock bottom with alcohol abuse.
592
00:37:10,540 --> 00:37:15,000
Drinking was never a problem. I did it
really well.
593
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:19,660
I was better than just about anybody at
it. It wasn't necessarily because of...
594
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:23,490
Not working as much.
595
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:28,710
I think that had more to do with from my
childhood.
596
00:37:30,830 --> 00:37:37,110
You know, unfortunately, the result of
that is addiction. And even with that, I
597
00:37:37,110 --> 00:37:42,510
realized that it wasn't getting me
anywhere. And, you know, my father
598
00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:46,230
childhood. And so I'll be damned if he
ruins the rest of my life.
599
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:54,850
On June 12, 2010, Grizzly Smith dies
from complications due to Alzheimer's
600
00:37:54,850 --> 00:38:00,850
disease. He was 77 years old. His
biological son, Richard, who was given
601
00:38:00,850 --> 00:38:04,830
adoption, would be Grizzly's sole
caretaker until the end.
602
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:13,110
I got through as quick as I could.
603
00:38:16,030 --> 00:38:17,090
And passed.
604
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,360
Yeah. It just passed.
605
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:34,600
He died while I was in prison.
606
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,800
I'm in the worst place in the world. I
just got the most devastating news in
607
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:39,800
world.
608
00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:42,740
Well, he's got a lot of good qualities.
609
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,120
And he was born out of love, and I still
love him.
610
00:38:49,580 --> 00:38:53,400
I thought that with him passing, I
wouldn't have to think of some things
611
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,400
anymore.
612
00:38:58,140 --> 00:39:00,100
But memories don't go away that easily.
613
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:07,940
Did he ever, at any point in his life,
apologize or talk about what you guys
614
00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:08,960
did? No. No.
615
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:10,240
Hell no.
616
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,120
I don't think he thought.
617
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,380
No. I don't think he thought he did
anything wrong.
618
00:39:15,020 --> 00:39:18,140
You know, there was never any kind of
serious...
619
00:39:19,460 --> 00:39:22,340
conversation, apologies, anything like
that.
620
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,640
I think he thought everything was just
fine.
621
00:39:28,980 --> 00:39:34,760
A few years ago, we finally did.
622
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:41,020
I can't imagine. I can't imagine how
devastating that could be to somebody.
623
00:39:41,610 --> 00:39:46,250
You know, and Robin, I guess, like my
mom, you know, they knew as a child
624
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:48,630
growing up that my father was Superman
to me.
625
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:54,150
And they wouldn't do anything to tarnish
him because they cared for me so much.
626
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:56,310
Sam idolized his dad.
627
00:39:56,550 --> 00:40:00,410
He probably would have forgiven his dad
for it rather than help his sister.
628
00:40:02,010 --> 00:40:03,050
Why do you think that is?
629
00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:07,370
He could make Sam believe that it was
Robin's fault.
630
00:40:07,650 --> 00:40:10,530
Or he could make Sam believe that it was
Jake's fault.
631
00:40:11,230 --> 00:40:14,230
It wasn't Grizz's fault. It was somebody
else's fault.
632
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:20,590
I don't blame anybody at all for the
lack of being together.
633
00:40:20,810 --> 00:40:23,650
That was all done early on by Dad.
634
00:40:23,970 --> 00:40:28,130
So, I mean, nobody dropped the ball.
It's not anybody's fault.
635
00:40:28,610 --> 00:40:30,470
It just was how it was.
636
00:40:34,530 --> 00:40:35,690
That's me and Dad.
637
00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:38,230
I was probably 10.
638
00:40:39,340 --> 00:40:43,960
He never apologized for giving me up for
adoption, and I never asked for it.
639
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,060
I have no complaints.
640
00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:47,260
I mean, how can I complain?
641
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,140
I'm the lucky one out of the bunch, the
way I consider it.
642
00:40:51,740 --> 00:40:56,840
With Grizzly's death, his children
finally feel safe enough to open up
643
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,680
their experiences from childhood. But
their estrangement still exists today.
644
00:41:02,220 --> 00:41:07,080
I think there's a certain amount of hope
that Robin and I could be friends.
645
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,700
I respect her and I love her very much.
646
00:41:11,580 --> 00:41:13,280
And it would be nice to have a sister.
647
00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:20,060
Yeah, I'd love to be close with
everybody, you know. I understand that
648
00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:21,260
got, like, different paths.
649
00:41:22,420 --> 00:41:24,620
I wish I could have spent more time with
my siblings.
650
00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:27,140
Yeah, it sounds good, yeah.
651
00:41:27,620 --> 00:41:28,620
I'd like to try.
652
00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:31,820
And after this, I mean, there's a lot of
thoughts going through my mind right
653
00:41:31,820 --> 00:41:32,820
now.
654
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,620
Maybe I've got to figure out how to do
that.
655
00:41:37,779 --> 00:41:38,779
bridging it across.
656
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,960
You know, I think this is opening some
communication.
657
00:41:42,780 --> 00:41:47,560
It might have a little to do with
bringing us a little bit closer in.
658
00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:52,380
I guess this is why I agreed to go ahead
and talk about it was that I want
659
00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:55,220
people to really know it's very, very
tough.
660
00:41:55,420 --> 00:41:59,500
And I would never say it's easy to get
past it. I don't know that you ever do
661
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:03,100
get past it, but you don't have to stay
in it.
662
00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:04,940
You can be successful.
663
00:42:05,260 --> 00:42:06,260
You can.
664
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:10,580
Overcome it. And for God's sake, if
there's something you're going through
665
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,000
if anybody's going through it now, tell
somebody.
666
00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:17,320
You've got to tell somebody. It will not
stop.
667
00:42:17,780 --> 00:42:19,160
You have to tell somebody.
668
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,060
And you will get help.
669
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,540
What I want to tell you is this. You
can't glorify what happened to me.
670
00:42:25,780 --> 00:42:27,120
But I ain't the only one.
671
00:42:27,860 --> 00:42:32,480
There's millions of other kids that are
going through the same thing as I speak.
672
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,400
If you're one of those kids, run.
673
00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:40,340
Run like the wind.
674
00:42:41,140 --> 00:42:43,880
Go to the police. Go to your pastor.
675
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:45,840
Just go.
676
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,900
And if it's already happened to you,
you've got to get help.
677
00:42:53,780 --> 00:42:57,220
I'm 65 now, and I'm not ashamed anymore.
678
00:42:57,820 --> 00:43:02,000
Still a little angry at times, but not
so angry that I have to medicate it.
679
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,440
I've been sober now for 10 years.
680
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:10,340
10 years. I did it. I made it all the
way back.
681
00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:17,100
The bottom line is never, ever, ever
give up.
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