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This is a tape for Siren and Anthony's first session.

Oh, come in.

Hello. Hi.

And you must be Siren.

Siren, yes.

And my best son, Anthony.

And Anthony.

It was very nice to meet both of you. Nice to meet you.

Why don't you have a seat? Wonderful.

Go ahead, sit down.

So, my name is Dr.

Penny Barber.

I have been doing family therapy for the last 12 years.

who I'm most passionate about.

I don't have a huge practice, but, you know, I've been doing it for a while and

just kind of like to keep my groups a little bit smaller. I practice CBT.

You know, I did my residency at John Hawkins.

And, yeah, that's about me.

I hope neither one of you mind, but I like to keep digital files of... You

my sessions, just so that I can look back and remember everything exactly.

know, my shorthand is in.

Okay.

I'm okay with that for us.

That's fine.

You're fine.

Okay. Okay. All right. I mean, it's private. You know, I don't share it

with anyone. It's just for me and for my record.

But, yeah, would you care to introduce yourself and tell me a little bit?

About yourself?

Well, again, I'm Siren. And then my handsome, handsome son, Anthony.

I actually married his dad when he was just a little baby.

Watched him grow up and turn into this handsome, handsome young man. And his

dad left and he kind of became the...

The man of the house, I guess you would say.

Okay. We share everything, don't we, honey? Yeah. We watch TV together and

we, you know, spend almost all the time together. We get dressed together

and, you know, he's such a sweetheart. He actually helps shave my legs when

we're showering.

Okay. And then, oh, just recently, actually, which is why I called you.

He started having erections.

And I have absolutely no idea why. It's completely inappropriate that he's

having this problem.

So I wanted to come in and talk to you and get him back to normal.

Okay.

So, Anthony, how do you feel about that? Why would you say that you're here

today? I'm not really sure. I don't really see anything wrong with it.

She's really shy.

This is going to make me really, really uncomfortable.

It's okay, honey.

Do you feel that way, Anthony? Are you shy?

Yeah. Okay.

So how do you feel about being here? Because you feel like it's not a

but would you agree that you're...

mom's description of your lifestyle is accurate?

Yeah. And that you've been getting erections during... Mm -hmm.

Yeah. How long has... It's been bothering him, too, so... Has it been

you, Anthony?

A little.

A little? Okay.

How often do you two shower and dress together, the leg

shavings? Every day.

Every day, absolutely.

Ever since he was little, huh?

Yeah.

We love each other. He's my sweet boy.

Okay, and so Father's been gone for a bit, and let's talk about that phrase,

of the house.

Man of the house. How does that make you feel, Anthony?

Oh, he's so proud.

He loves being called the man of the house. Do you want to tell me how you

Anthony? Let's try the little exercise where if I give you

a poem or ask a question, let's have Anthony answer first, and then Sarah and

I'll ask you the same thing.

Okay.

So, Anthony, how do you feel about your mom calling you the man of the house?

It's nice.

We're very close to each other, and I really enjoy helping

her out and doing fun activities with her.

Fun activities?

Okay.

All right, let's talk about... Do you remember the movie last night?

Yeah, that was so much fun. We cuddled in the backseat.

What movie did you two watch last night?

Oh, we went and saw this cute little rom -com that was... Okay.

It was just so cute. It was kind of like a mother -son date night kind of thing.

Yeah, it was so heartwarming.

Okay.

Let's talk here about this word, normal.

So, we're talking about getting you back to normal.

Just knowing just what the situation is that you find yourself in, it's not

actually unusual.

You know, it might be...

It's uncommon, but I would say that it's still, you know, very,

it happens a lot.

It happens. It might not happen to every single family, but it's not unheard of.

So I don't know that I would.

Others just like you.

So I do like to avoid using that word normal.

Instead of focusing on things.

You know, different things are normal for different people.

It's a very individualized word.

Focusing on whether or not things are pleasurable, joyful, whether or not

there's something that you want to repeat, something like that.

Well, but I want him back to how he was.

These erections are wrong.

I mean, he shouldn't be having these.

Especially with me. Well, Anthony, let's try this little exercise again. What

are you thinking about?

And this is something that your mom can't know because she's not inside of

mind. What are you thinking about when you get an erection?

You know,

it's okay.

It's a very safe space.

Your mom's not going to judge you. Not at all. No. That's why we're here.

I'm certainly not going to judge you.

I'm just listening as a doctor.

I love you.

My mom's breasts.

Okay, like specifically?

Just everything.

Okay, so specifically like your mom's breasts, not just breasts in general?

Yeah.

Oh.

Okay.

It's a comfort thing.

It's a comfort thing?

This is another very personal question, but again, I don't want you to be

uncomfortable about it.

How often would you say you're masturbating?

Oh, probably at least 10 times a day, right?

Oh.

How did you know that?

Well, we...

We share everything. I know that's why we're here. Like, I know about his

erections and all of the masturbating.

And that can't be normal for an individual. Maybe it's, you know, it's

normal. Is that normal for you?

Would you say that's normal for you to be masturbating ten times a day? And

that's accurate?

Okay. Ten times a day. To completion?

To orgasm?

Most of the time, yeah. Most of the time, ten times a day. Okay.

Well, clearly someone has gone through puberty.

Yes, yes.

Okay, ten times a day.

And when you're doing this, are you thinking about what?

Yes, what are you thinking about, dear?

You're thinking about your mom?

All right. Anything specific?

Things that have happened? Her body?

You mentioned her breasts.

I don't know. We've gotten so close over the years that, you know, I don't know.

It's just something I can reconnect to.

Do you feel guilty about masturbating to your mom?

Sometimes.

Sometimes?

Well,

how does that make you feel when you're guilty?

How do you react to that emotion?

I guess I kind of close off a little bit.

I don't know, it's just really awkward to think about. I try not to focus

on it too much.

Have you been sensing that?

siren that he's been feeling maybe a little bit guilty well of course i mean

am his stepmom i mean it's like he shouldn't be doing that with me

okay um so siren are you how often

are you masturbating we're not here to discuss my habits we're here to help

my son out it would help me to kind of You know, see the whole family situation

and know a little bit more about your dynamics. I mean, do you feel

sharing that with me? Again, safe space, no judgment.

I'm a woman too.

Right. It's just a bit odd because, again, we are here for Anthony.

But, yeah, if you must know, I masturbate probably

four times, five times a day. Oh. Okay.

All right. And that's typical. Like, in a week. Or, sorry, in a day. Four or

five times.

Yeah, generally.

And what are you generally masturbating to?

I have my imagination.

One thing that I did try to, like, help Anthony was we actually started watching

porn together.

And we would masturbate together.

And that seemed to kind of help. He seemed a little happier after that. So I

thinking, okay, maybe this is working.

But then it just kind of added to the problem.

Okay.

So how are you feeling after masturbating? Are you having any guilt?

Anxiety? Not at all.

You know, masturbating is a natural way of life. If you don't have any other

avenues, a woman of my age, I think is

perfectly wonderful to, you know, masturbate and watch porn or, you know,

think of sexy men that are on TV or whatever.

Okay.

The issue is that you would like for

Anthony's sexuality to be more contained. You don't mind it being

expressed so long as it's in very specific parameters, and his biology is

expanding beyond those parameters.

I think so, yeah.

Yeah. And his erections are kind of making me a little uncomfortable.

Mm -hmm.

You know, again, this is something that I deal with all the time. It's one of

the most common issues that I actually deal with.

So even though I wouldn't say that it's common in the general population, it's

not unheard of.

And what has been found generally is that it's better to sort of...

act on those feelings rather than sort of letting them fester.

So what do you mean?

Well, what I mean is that for Anthony, this is a biological issue. This is a

hardware issue. It's not a software issue.

And if he's just repressing it and holding it in and only

letting it out in this tiny little box,

It can manifest later on as issues like extreme anxiety and depression.

We don't want that, do we? No. Okay. We don't. So, I mean, usually what we're

going to do is, well, what I would like to do, what I hope that you're both open

to, is letting both of you sort of explore those feelings a little bit

And maybe indulge a little bit.

feel more free about your sexual expression.

Both of you. Okay.

How do you want us to do that?

Well, Anthony, how do you feel about your stepmother's body?

Go ahead and take a look at her.

You know. Okay.

Yeah.

Well, can you be specific?

Yeah.

Do you like...

Breasts. You are very fixated on your breasts, which is fine.

I just think it's cute.

Have you gotten to handle them, maybe in the shower?

Oh, no.

Oh. No, we've never.

Yeah, we would masturbate. I thought that we've never.

No touching? No, we've never touched before other than.

I hope you wash up a little bit. Well, you do. You wash my bath.

So they've been kind of off -limits?

Yeah. Yeah?

Well, Siren, how would you feel about letting Anthony maybe explore your

a little bit? Because he certainly seems focused on them.

Well, sure.

If it's going to help him in the long run, absolutely.

So, Anthony, do you want to maybe use your hands a little bit to explore?

Your mother's breath?

Go on. All right.

I think it'll help.

Oh, and then are you going to continue filming this part of the session?

It's all kept on my encrypted hard drive. I just need to have, like, files.

I mean, I can't. I can only write so much.

Okay. But it's private.

Okay.

Okay.

Very nice.

Do you want to talk about what you're feeling, Anthony?

Sense of comfort.

Being so gentle. Do you want to

take a night?

He's a gentle boy, huh?

Do you want to try getting it? Oh, my goodness. There you go.

Siren, how does that make you feel, the happier?

It makes me feel good because I'm helping him out.

Can you smell anything?

I can.

Other parts of her body.

She has very nice legs, which apparently you get to help shave.

Yeah, she does such a good job with it.

Her legs, her derriere, and just her

back. You know, any parts of her that you find to be really interesting, I

you to go ahead and just, you know, physically kind of assimilate that in

experience.

Sharon, would you stand up for me?

Sure.

Thank you.

And, uh, yeah.

You can stand up if you need to, or you can just kind of like run your hand.

Wonderful.

How are you feeling? What are you thinking right now?

I want to get intimate with her. You get intimate?

Mm -hmm. And what does that mean, you get intimate?

This is already feeling rather intimate, but... A little.

If you're more specific.

I want to have sex with her.

Oh. Okay.

Okay.

Something that I would say is normal.

Okay. If it's normal for Anthony.

So, how does that make you feel, Siren?

Very surprised.

Uh -huh.

As I said, this is all new to me.

He's never been this way before.

Well, if the two of you shower together, how would you feel about continuing

our session maybe au naturel?

Maybe undressing.

And again, nothing with the... Oh, no, no, no. The camera's just for me.

Okay. Just think of it as like a notepad. I mean, we've been... We're

with that, right? Yeah, we're fine.

Okay.

Do you want to... Anthony, why don't you undress your mom?

That would be nice.

There you go. You

need some help.

Very good.

Simon,

do you want to...

Look at you. Somebody's coming out of his shell.

How are you feeling about him being more forward with you?

I'm very shocked.

I'm usually the one that's taking care of you and not the other way around.

Kind of nice to see you.

So I take it you want to...

Like physically and emotionally as well.

Really nice and voluptuous.

Voluptuous. Mm -hmm.

Looks like your schooling is working.

Looks like someone maybe has.

I am enjoying the touch, yes. A little bit. A little bit.

Fancy.

I mean, he, he.

Oh, okay.

That's fine. You know, just kind of like go with it. You know, we're going to

get rid of all these restrictions, you know.

Like if you feel tight or if you feel nervous or anything, just take a really

deep breath, you know.

Try to get off.

Now, Anthony, would you like to be in dress?

So Anthony, you've kind of like been experiencing

Your mom very much, like, touched and, like, you know, you've gotten more

visual. You know, you've inhaled her scent.

Would you like to maybe taste her, experience her on that level?

Yeah.

Byron, how do you feel about that? Is that acceptable?

Huh?

Sure. I thought, yeah, I think that'll be okay.

I noticed you two had just, like, such a cute little kind of kiss, you know.

Well, I do. I love it.

And I will do anything for him.

And if this includes, you know, going through this session and having him

me, I think that'd be a good idea.

You do too, don't you?

Okay,

let me just get your hair. Is it okay?

Yeah.

So, Anthony, where would you like to start?

Where would be your favorite place to start tasting your mother?

Maybe down there?

Do you want to ask her permission? I've been doing some of that work for you.

Yes, you can.

I'll do anything for you.

Take those off, too.

All right.

You want to have a seat, Siren?

Maybe just relax.

Focus on that nice little breathing.

Okay.

Here we go.

Have you forgotten to look at your mother's vulva and vagina before?

You have?

Yeah, we're showering. What? You're concentrating on my legs.

Deep inhale.

Very good.

Oh.

You just got in there.

I'm so proud of this initiative. This is amazing.

You're both making wonderful progress.

Oh, thank you. You're very nice.

I'd just like to say thank you.

Facilitator, I think that's all right with both of you. Yeah, wonderful.

you feel about this siren session maybe hasn't gone exactly as you no it really

hasn't there's been a lot of surprises and i'm i'm feeling much more

relaxed i'm glad i really would like to help both of you open up i would like to

help both of you you know release all of the arbitrary restrictions and

just indulge

You don't want anyone to feel guilty or ashamed or not normal.

All those restrictions are just so nice.

I'm sorry.

I'm noticing we have exactly the same stockings on.

Women love amazing teeth.

Yeah.

Here we go.

That's good.

Can I show you something, Anthony?

What you should do?

Do a little experiment.

Right here.

You're doing a lot of licking. I'm sure that feels wonderful.

It's a little tricky.

Can you tell your mother how she tastes?

I'm a little surprised that you went right for her vagina and vulva. I

guess. Her mom.

What she wanted.

Apparently.

We've been talking about that before, but apparently there was more to it. Is

this what you were thinking of?

Yeah, I just didn't.

I was nervous about being forward about it.

Just took a little warm -up. How do you feel now that you've...

Done it.

Nice. It's really fun, isn't it?

It's fun. You can certainly keep doing it. Is there anything

else that you would

like to try? That you kind of crossed this bridge?

That's a very specific pitch.

How do you feel about that?

I'm for it. I'm for it. I know myself.

You can explore as much of your mother's body as you like.

I think it's hopefully good for you to ask her permission first, specifically.

But given that, I think she's probably in a mood to say yes.

I'm the example that you can explore.

How do you feel about sort of maybe turning over?

Like hands down.

Sort of like that. There you go. Sort of what I had in mind.

Oh, hello.

Go ahead and say.

Hi. Do you want? Yeah.

Really? I mean, we need to.

Yeah.

not have guessed that you were ready for that well nudity has never been a

problem in our house but this sure

that's totally fine especially if he's asked you he's being more forward about

it Anthony can you describe what your mother's doing to you just say it out

she's so noisy uh huh

She's not sucking at the moment.

What is she doing?

Is anyone having any

negative feelings or is it more positive right now? Positive.

Byron, do you want to tell me what you think of him?

Oh my goodness, his penis is amazing.

And it's very pretty.

It is.

Nice width to it.

Perfect length.

It's amazing balls down here.

Would you mind?

Look at me, mom. No,

that's beautiful.

We're practicing respecting his agency.

That's really nice. That's really nice. That's a great first session.

I'm so excited to get part of it, to be able to take a journey with both of you.

Thank you. Thank you.

How's it feeling to have someone besides your mom touching you?

You all right?

That's interesting.

Yeah, different?

It's different, yeah.

I think that having your mom here at least is a nice little motivation.

Someone that you know you can trust, someone that you know.

You've got a nice penis.

Your breaths are bigger than mine, but we do have purple bones.

He's doing for you.

I

love

it. Build up your relationship.

Oh, that's already starting to be good.

It was bonding exercise.

What do you have in mind?

She's in a sort of a penetrative act.

Would you like to penetrate another?

Intercord is quite as.

Look up at your mother and drink her in.

Oh, nice and warm and accommodating she can be.

Because she really cares

about you. I do.

All my heart.

Enjoy it as much as you can. Oh, yes.

As much pleasure as you can. Oh, yeah.

The bonding's amazing.

That's what I do.

Did you feel mom come?

Orgasm. I guess you should.

I know. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I would

love to.

We're going to learn something new.

If I can, like, bend over so you can kind of see between eye contact with

mom. Yeah.

It's so much easier with someone you know.

Oh, my.

Oh, wow.

I like watching you. I do like watching you.

Oh, God, yes.

Oh,

yes.

Oh.

Oh, there it is.

Oh, my God.

I hope not once you think that, but you keep doing it.

Thank you.

She's got something else in mind for you.

That's a way to tell me what you want.

I

don't

even know if I'm focusing. How much time do you have? I would love to taste you.

Oh, really?

Maybe Anthony can come and taste me some more.

You're getting to be more assertive.

And me.

Alright.

I love you.

Where are you going?

You seem more like the man of the house.

Oh yeah.

Oh, there's lots of places to pray.

Question. So, Amy, you're going to have to be a little assertive.

Do you want to miss it?

Hypothetically.

Where would you want to come if we're going to eject you?

Do you like breath?

Do you like... Yeah, brush your face.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

I'm okay with that.

Yeah, I'm okay.

Yeah.

What a mom.

We've already shared so much today.

That's my response. It's a nice delivery.

Yeah, that's it

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yes,

baby, I think it's time for you to come.

Amazing. It's so sweet.

And iron, perfect.

Okay. Okay.

Look up at your son. Come down to your mother.

Becoming a man like a little boy that she has to do everything for.

All fully sexually formed.

Relationships. And that's okay.

All

over

your mother's face.

Very edible.

Very sweet.

He's a man now.

Different situation.

I think that a man said thank you.

Thank you, my boy.

I think that is our time for today.

I want to give you each a little bit of homework.

I think that it would be wonderful if we could practice listening and active

communication.

He, I think, has shown that he can do it.

I will do my best.

Mommy's a little boy anymore.

And, Anthony, you can help her out by being more open, more assertive, by

stepping into this new role, which you are clearly ready for. I think that's

going to help me come out of my shell a little bit.

Maybe we can practice more sessions like this.

in private. We'll have something to talk about next time.

You know, if you two would like to do this again, I think that we had a good,

really good first session.

I think it would be good for both of us. Yeah.

Okay.

Lovely. Well, there is a bathroom. Okay. Which I

probably do.

Especially.

And, yeah.

I would like you to make another appointment with Sheila out front.

Thank you both so much for trusting me and letting me have this experience with

you. Thank you for helping us out. I feel so much, even more close to you.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you. You're doing all the work. Oh, no, you did so much. Thank you.

All right, son, let's go.