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911, emergency.
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What are you reporting?
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And what's the location?
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The remains of four people were discovered
in the Mojave Desert.
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This morning, we filed
a special circumstance of
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multiple murders on the
defendant, Charles Ray Merritt.
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Merritt is accused of killing the entire
McStay family.
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Joseph, Summer, and their two small sons,
Merritt is facing, potentially,
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the death penalty.
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Did I kill the McStay family?
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Absolutely not.
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This is the strongest circumstantial
evidence case I've ever seen, and if he
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didn't do it, he's the unluckiest guy in
the world.
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It was blow after blow after blow to a
child's skull.
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I just can't imagine doing that to another
human being.
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Let a little child.
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The evidence shows they got the wrong guy.
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This is purely circumstantial,
and it's a stretch at best.
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As long as my dad is in jail,
and as long as they're focusing
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on him, there's still somebody
out there that did this.
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I've never, ever been in a trial that was
this contentious.
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And it was very personal, and it became
very personal.
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Again, these accusations are completely
unfounded.
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I'm still talking.
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This prosecutor is a cheater and a liar.
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You withheld this evidence, and now your
expert is saying that you're full of shit.
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And you lied.
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All right, all right.
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You're already shown to be a liar,
so let's not go down.
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Just a minute.
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Just a minute.
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I may deserve a lot of things.
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I don't deserve this.
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A tragedy that gripped the entire nation.
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Tomorrow, jurors announce their verdict.
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I'm just not sure where we are here.
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Please a jury in the above-entitled
action.
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Find the defendant, Charles Ray Merritt.
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What's up, dudes?
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It's hard to watch.
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Just that sweet little belly laugh.
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And how innocent they were.
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Look who this is.
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What's up, Jay?
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I worked for a waterfall manufacturer.
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I was Joey's account manager.
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He cared about me as a person.
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I cared about him as a person.
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It went beyond just a transactional
relationship.
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I also got to know a lot about his family.
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He was very devoted to his wife and kids.
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Goodbye.
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Goodbye now.
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Goodbye now.
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They were people
that would give you the
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shirt off their back
and do anything for you.
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They were good parents
raising what would
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have been two great
human beings in the world.
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Did somebody come last night?
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Merry Christmas!
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They had it all, you know.
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The two kids, the two dogs, their new
house.
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Both of them were excited about their
business prospects.
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Yeah.
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It was stolen from them.
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Joseph McStay, seen in this home video
with his wife, Summer, and their two young
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sons, Joseph and Gianni, mysteriously
disappeared in February of 2010.
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The search is over for a California family
who disappeared nearly four years ago.
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In the California desert
just north of Victorville,
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a gruesome discovery
by a motorcycle rider.
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Joseph and Summer McStay,
their children, four-year-old
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Gianni and three-year-old Joe
Jr., buried in shallow graves.
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In 2014, law enforcement arrested and
charged Charles Merritt for their murders.
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Merritt was a business associate of Joseph
McStay.
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But prosecutors claim things turned sour.
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According to prosecutors, Merritt beat all
four members of the McStay family to death.
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Did I kill the McStay family?
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Of course not.
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I can't think of the word, but I just
simply don't understand how it got to this
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point where people are actually believing
it.
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I would never hurt him, never hurt Summer,
Gianni, or Joseph Jr. There's just...
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He was my best friend.
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Don't you understand?
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You are tearing somebody else's life
completely apart.
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It is a mystery that has captivated the
nation.
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Joseph McStay, his wife, and their two sons
were killed and then buried in the desert.
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And now the mystery unraveling in court
where their suspected killer is on trial.
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The McStay family disappeared about nine
years ago from their home in Fallbrook.
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Chase Merritt faced down charges of
brutally murdering his professed best
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friend along with his
whole family with a
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sledgehammer for the
pure reason of financial gain.
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Today, opening statements start in San
Bernardino for Merritt.
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Defense attorneys argue
Merritt would never have
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hurt McStay, his best
friend and business partner.
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And they say the real killer is out there
because the San Diego County sheriffs made
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mistakes in the initial portions of the
investigation.
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If convicted on all counts, Merritt is
facing potentially the death penalty.
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From San Bernardino, Jamie Chambers,
Fox 5 News.
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Good morning.
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Good to see everybody back.
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We mentioned before there might be some
media attention during the trial.
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As you can see, there's a bit.
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Just again, a reminder,
they're not allowed
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to film or video or
record any of the jurors.
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And with that, are people ready to do not
restate them?
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Yes, good morning.
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Sean, do we have the people on record?
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Okay.
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Good morning.
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Good morning.
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Good morning.
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How does this family of four disappear off
the face of the year?
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How does this family of four, a husband
who's running a business, a mom who's
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raising her two kids,
fixing up a house they
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just bought recently, how
do they just disappear?
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Just up and gone.
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The how is that each member of this family
that you see here, Joseph McStay,
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40 years old, his wife Summer,
their two kids, Gianni, who was four years
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old, and Joe Jr., who four days before
they were murdered had just turned three.
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The how is that they were beaten about the
head and face until they died.
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And then they were taken 100 miles away
from their home and buried in the desert.
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They were buried in such a manner that
animals tore at their remains,
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that they decomposed to almost nothing but
a set of a few bones.
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Summer's been hit in the front of her
face, fracturing her jaw in several places.
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She was also struck
in the back of the head
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and in the front of the
head numerous times.
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Joseph McStay had a
fractured rib bone, which
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you can see here in the
middle of the photograph.
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You can also see to the left the red
tie-down strap in the electrical court.
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In the back of his head was a clear impact
site.
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All four members of the McStay family were
killed by one force trauma.
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So go ahead.
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So I, you know, watched the
trial hoping to find information
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that I hadn't seen before,
which I got plenty of.
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One of the worst images
that I remember from
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the trial that I couldn't
prepare myself for...
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was Joseph's face.
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So bad.
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Just so weird.
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And like, I wish I could
have turned away and
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not seen it, but like I
said, I can't unsee that.
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It sucks.
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I hate this.
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And then little Gianni were somehow
severely beaten as well.
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And you don't really
know what happened to little
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Joey because his
remains were too scattered.
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I just can't imagine doing that to another
human being.
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Let alone a child.
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The why boils down to greed and greed's
child fraud.
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And the who is sitting here in court
today.
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Charles Moore.
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The man who, while claiming to be Joseph's
best friend, was forging checks from
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Joseph's business and taking money from
him.
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Putting his hands in the cookie jar.
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The who, the evidence will show,
is the person whose cell phone activity
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for significant portions of
time during significant days
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and times around the time
of the murder, is off the grid.
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We can't answer all of the questions.
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We can answer the who.
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And the who is the defendant who's ripping
off his best friend and got caught.
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I think Sean put it well in his opening
statement.
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The jury needed to understand that not all
cases have an eyewitness, a confession,
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a smoking gun, and that they have to be
open to the concept of circumstantial
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evidence, understanding how those
circumstances interconnect and interplay
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with each other, and
how that comes to the
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ultimate conclusion that
the defendant's guilty.
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Hello.
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So, you can see what's happening from our
perspective.
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The prosecution's case, we can tell from
their opening, is based on innuendo,
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rumor, circumstantial evidence.
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They're unwilling to listen.
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They're unwilling to
look at what we believe the
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truth is and what we
believe the evidence shows.
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Thank you.
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Their case was a house of cards.
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That's what it was.
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There was simply no substance to the
allegations when you pick the case apart.
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We never found that smoking gun.
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It just wasn't there.
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In a case like this, when
I know he didn't do it, I
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know he's not responsible
for this, how can I stop?
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I mean, what's been forgotten in all of
this is that Chase loved him.
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As a brother, he adored Joseph.
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He couldn't spend a day without him.
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And he's fighting for his life because
he's innocent.
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It's just real fun.
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So, uh, how do you think things are going
so far?
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I am...
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taken aback.
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Well, actually, the better word would be
I'm appalled at the prosecution's strategy.
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It scares me.
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Chase wanted it told.
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The story was always somebody who was an
innocent man who was accused of this crime.
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Use marker?
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Yep.
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Go.
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Yeah, hold on.
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We had grave concerns about the financial
relationship between the media company and
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the defense counsel and even the
defendant.
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Are we getting another making-of-a-murderer
hit piece on prosecutors?
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Is it going to be totally slanted towards
the defense?
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When did you first find out that there was
a documentary being made?
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I believe it was just before we went to
trial.
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And then, when I found out that they were
embedded with the defense, I got convinced
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that this was going to be a defense story.
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And it was going to be one-sided to the
defense.
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And I wanted no part of that.
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I hope, once it's finished and it's done
and it airs, that it is absolutely fair.
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And the whole story's told, both sides.
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Okay?
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And the public can decide.
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Gee, come on, let's go!
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You are not very patient, are you?
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Let's go!
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Why are you laying in the middle of the
street, dude?
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Come on!
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Let's go on Daddy's bike.
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Yeah, let's go on Daddy's bike.
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Yeah!
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Yeah, let's go.
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You gotta understand, man.
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I...
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I still, to this day, can be sitting in my
living room, watching a program on TV,
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and something will come up on the screen.
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And I'll go, damn, I'm gonna call Joey.
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And then it hits me.
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I don't have Joey.
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I mean, he's in my heart.
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In my head.
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But there's no physical Joey here.
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Look at this guy.
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So you lose him all the time, all over
again.
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Yeah.
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Every day.
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Every single day.
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Yeah, Joey was two years old when I met
Susan.
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As a matter of fact, he had just turned
to.
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And so, yeah, he and I, like an instant
bond.
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And, I think back to
those times, and I think that,
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I fell as much in love
with him as I did his mother.
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And, he was the same way.
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When Michael was born, you know, and they
were, they were pretty much inseparable.
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And they were, and they were a perfect
pair.
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Susan and I got divorced.
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But Joey and I were extremely close.
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He designed, and they built, custom
waterfalls.
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pretty.
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For example, if you walked into a lobby of
a business, and you saw on a wall,
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their logo, with water running down the
wall over the logo, that's what Joey did.
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Sometimes on glass feet, you'd have some
dry spots at startup.
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But, watch this.
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All right, Chase.
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Just gonna shake the edge of the glass,
and it's corrected immediately.
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Chase Merritt was,
let's see, I guess the
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best way to describe
it is, he was a welder.
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Whatever Joey designed, he would build.
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And, they really did well.
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Hey Chase, step back.
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If the company had survived, it had
contracts, for 11 to 12 million dollars,
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over the next five years.
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And, I can honestly say, Merritt was good
at what he did.
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Joey, he would have called him a friend.
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Joseph and I, we were, we were pretty
close.
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He was really a cool guy.
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We used to, play paintball together.
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We, he'd come down, to my house,
every other week or so.
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Uh, have dinner.
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I would go to his house, probably,
once a week.
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Sometimes, sometimes more often.
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Just depending on, the week.
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Joseph and I talked for, at least 15 times
a day.
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So, were we close?
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Yeah.
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We talked, all day.
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Every day.
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Every day.
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Good morning, everyone.
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As you know, my name is James McGee.
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I'm representing Mr. Merritt.
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We're just sitting here, before you.
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When we see the McStay family,
we see victims.
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We do.
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And we want justice for them as well.
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What you gotta realize is, Charles
Merritt, which here, he calls Chase.
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Chase is Joseph's best friend.
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The loss is also to him.
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The theme you're gonna hear, throughout
this trial, is confirmation bias.
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Confirmation bias.
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That's when, you decide
what conclusion you
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want, and look for
the facts that support it.
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And that's what, this whole investigation
is.
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We want Chase Merritt.
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So let's just, do
gymnastics with logic, and
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figure out, how do we
build a case against him?
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DNA from the grave site, excludes,
Charles Merritt.
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That's correct.
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Nobody knows this, but us.
298
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So apparently, Chase killed his family,
buried him, and put someone else's DNA,
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on everything, and not his own.
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And we're still going to try.
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Any good defense attorney,
would say, you know, that's
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really nice, they've charged
my client, they can't prove it.
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For whatever grounds,
whether it's, you don't know
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when, where, why, how,
or that my client did it.
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00:21:38,150 --> 00:21:41,170
I think in this case, it was pretty
obvious, they were murdered.
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Right?
307
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They were spirited away, from their house,
at some point.
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They were murdered, they were buried,
in shallow graves.
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And I think, the first question to ask,
is how does that family of four,
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just disappear, off the face of the earth?
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I'm at home, and the phone rings,
I pick up the phone, and I look at it,
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and I get a caller ID, and it says,
D Cavanaugh.
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Delete.
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Who in the hell is Dan Cavanaugh?
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About an hour later, I get an email,
pops up.
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Whoop.
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D Cavanaugh.
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So then, I'm talking to Michael.
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Who's D Cavanaugh?
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00:22:44,911 --> 00:22:46,510
I don't know ID Cavanaugh.
321
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I don't know ID Cavanaugh.
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My son Michael goes, oh yeah you do dad.
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Dan Cavanaugh.
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Dan the hacker.
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And I went, oh hell, I know who that is.
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Yeah.
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I knew his name, but I never paid
attention to it.
328
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Probably heard it, maybe once or twice.
329
00:23:04,090 --> 00:23:06,190
Joey hired him, to design his website.
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And the deal was, Joey would pay him, based
off the sales, and the hits to the site.
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And that was basically it.
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Dan would maintain the site.
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When Cavanaugh, he's trying to get him,
he can't get him.
334
00:23:31,130 --> 00:23:32,590
And the emails full.
335
00:23:34,590 --> 00:23:36,650
And phone messages are full.
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Something's wrong.
337
00:23:39,130 --> 00:23:41,390
Joey, he'll do a lot of things.
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But he is not gonna miss an order for
money.
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00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:46,570
I'm telling you that right now.
340
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That's his livelihood.
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That's his support for his family.
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00:23:53,710 --> 00:23:54,710
Something's wrong.
343
00:24:04,330 --> 00:24:06,680
It was just baffling to me at the time.
344
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,552
When I tried to call
him, and it goes to his
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00:24:09,553 --> 00:24:12,841
voicemail, and it says
the voicemail's full.
346
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,760
Why isn't he picking up?
347
00:24:15,380 --> 00:24:17,160
Why isn't he calling me back?
348
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,000
Okay, Friday.
349
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,080
Eh, no big deal.
350
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:23,860
Maybe he's doing something.
351
00:24:23,861 --> 00:24:24,861
Maybe he's busy.
352
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Saturday.
353
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,980
Eh, well.
354
00:24:29,820 --> 00:24:31,256
Maybe he and Summer are doing something.
355
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,360
Maybe they're out shopping.
356
00:24:34,020 --> 00:24:35,300
So Sunday evening.
357
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,120
Now I'm getting a little worried.
358
00:24:37,980 --> 00:24:39,960
This is a little out of the ordinary.
359
00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:43,100
Monday, I'm getting upset.
360
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,880
So, now I gotta find out.
361
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:06,310
So, I'm telling Michael I can't reach him.
362
00:25:07,540 --> 00:25:11,260
And I asked him if he could run down to
the house and check on his brother.
363
00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:13,800
Because I was really getting to that
point.
364
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,860
And he was, no, Dad, I'm too busy.
365
00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:21,560
And I'm going, you know, please,
Mike.
366
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,840
This is really important.
367
00:25:23,020 --> 00:25:24,540
I'm really worried about your brother.
368
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,080
And he's like, Dad, I'm busy.
369
00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:29,860
He said, I can't do it.
370
00:25:29,861 --> 00:25:32,380
How mad at Michael were you?
371
00:25:33,460 --> 00:25:34,460
Pretty mad.
372
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,200
If I could have jumped through the phone,
I would have.
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I was pretty hot.
374
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,660
We had several projects in the works.
375
00:25:56,661 --> 00:26:00,100
And he just suddenly stopped calling.
376
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,600
So, I tried to reach him for several days.
377
00:26:05,260 --> 00:26:10,680
Finally, I decided on the 9th to drive out
there.
378
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,900
Nobody was home.
379
00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:17,461
So, finally, I got hold
of Michael and said,
380
00:26:17,462 --> 00:26:20,340
Look, you're going
to meet me down there.
381
00:26:21,060 --> 00:26:23,080
You need to file a missing persons report.
382
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,835
And it took several
phone calls for him to
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00:26:26,836 --> 00:26:30,841
finally say, Okay, I'll
meet you down there.
384
00:26:59,810 --> 00:27:03,770
On that day, him and I were there at the
house.
385
00:27:04,340 --> 00:27:07,170
And he went through the window of Joseph's
office.
386
00:27:07,620 --> 00:27:09,530
And opened the house.
387
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:10,830
And we went in.
388
00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:13,270
And, you know, nothing looked awry.
389
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:15,390
But the kitchen was kind of a mess.
390
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:20,650
And he just kept, it's no big deal.
391
00:27:21,150 --> 00:27:22,530
And I'm like, it's a big deal.
392
00:27:22,770 --> 00:27:23,770
He would have called me.
393
00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:26,310
And I said, dude, call the Sheriff
Department.
394
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,649
And then, finally, the
last time I said, Dude,
395
00:27:28,650 --> 00:27:31,551
call the Sheriff
Department and I'm going to.
396
00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:42,490
The police went through the whole house.
397
00:27:43,530 --> 00:27:45,310
They were in the midst of a huge remodel.
398
00:27:45,570 --> 00:27:47,490
So, carpets were coming up.
399
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:48,810
Wood floor was going down.
400
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:51,350
They were in the midst, like right in the
middle of that.
401
00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:56,510
They looked for any obvious sights of
blood or sign of a struggle.
402
00:27:56,910 --> 00:27:58,310
And didn't see anything like that.
403
00:27:59,730 --> 00:28:00,730
But
404
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,380
my thinking was, if they took a three-day
weekend because of the holiday,
405
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,760
then they took the week, then they took
the following weekend.
406
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:17,980
That's a ten-day stint.
407
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,320
So that's why I didn't call.
408
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,260
Should I call on Saturday?
409
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,880
Is that the day I should have called on
Saturday?
410
00:28:23,881 --> 00:28:24,040
No.
411
00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:27,180
The answer to your question is,
there's no right and no wrong.
412
00:28:27,660 --> 00:28:31,000
It's what you feel when you thought that
it was important enough.
413
00:28:31,380 --> 00:28:32,380
What do you think?
414
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,700
As a brother, where are they?
415
00:28:34,780 --> 00:28:37,887
I'm hoping they went
down and they just went
416
00:28:37,888 --> 00:28:41,501
to Mexico and they
took a two-week vacation.
417
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,020
I mean, that's a pipe dream at this point.
418
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,880
I don't know.
419
00:28:45,060 --> 00:28:48,760
What did you see in the house that would
indicate that that's probably not true?
420
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:51,360
Did you see in... did you go through the
house?
421
00:28:52,060 --> 00:28:53,980
I just walked through, but I didn't get
a...
422
00:28:54,610 --> 00:28:55,540
Well, let me help you out.
423
00:28:55,541 --> 00:28:56,420
The food laying out.
424
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:57,420
The food laying out.
425
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,520
That makes me nervous.
426
00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:02,840
Yeah, but it doesn't look like any
violence or anything gnarly.
427
00:29:02,841 --> 00:29:04,845
And I don't see anything
broken like there was
428
00:29:04,846 --> 00:29:06,840
a struggle or somebody
threw something down.
429
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,280
Okay.
430
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,680
You're pretty much free to do whatever you
want.
431
00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:29,340
Understand this, though.
432
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,180
If something happened in that house that I
need to know, for evidentiary purposes...
433
00:29:35,181 --> 00:29:35,380
Right.
434
00:29:36,180 --> 00:29:38,740
The more you're in there and the more you
manipulate things...
435
00:29:39,380 --> 00:29:39,460
Right.
436
00:29:39,461 --> 00:29:42,800
The more the scene and why figuring out
goes out the window.
437
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,580
Evidence that was lost in the house.
438
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,660
Susan Blake thoroughly cleaned that house
with bleach.
439
00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:05,360
And thoroughly bleached down everything.
440
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,980
But, you know, she was scared.
441
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,180
She was trying to make herself busy.
442
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,520
I don't blame her in the least.
443
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,340
I do blame the detectives.
444
00:30:15,580 --> 00:30:18,320
They should have not let them back in that
house.
445
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:24,720
If they hadn't have, there would have been
a plethora of evidence that would,
446
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,240
at the very least, have the possibility of
exonerating me.
447
00:30:28,241 --> 00:30:30,980
But now, it's just gone.
448
00:30:43,650 --> 00:30:48,622
Police discovered the couple's
1996 white SUV had been
449
00:30:48,623 --> 00:30:53,900
abandoned in a San Ysidro
parking lot near the Mexican border.
450
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,521
Investigators released this
surveillance video of what
451
00:30:58,522 --> 00:31:01,580
appeared to be the mixed days
crossing the Mexican border.
452
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,120
I just didn't believe that they would go
into Mexico.
453
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,040
There were sightings in Mexico,
but nobody ever confirmed any of them.
454
00:31:17,260 --> 00:31:18,260
None of them.
455
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:36,500
It was kind of like we made an agreement
that Susan and I and Michael would talk to.
456
00:31:36,660 --> 00:31:39,690
And we would all agree
on what we were going
457
00:31:39,691 --> 00:31:43,481
to do, step by step,
or we wouldn't do it.
458
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:51,101
But within a matter of a week or two, it
was almost like what I said had no meaning.
459
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,640
And so at that point, I said, I'm done.
460
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,100
You guys do what you want to do.
461
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,120
I'm out of it.
462
00:31:57,300 --> 00:32:01,440
The first thing that broke them apart was
Michael and Susan saying they wanted to
463
00:32:01,441 --> 00:32:03,420
take over the business, and Patrick said
no.
464
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:10,880
My family became estranged from me.
465
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,080
We became apart.
466
00:32:13,340 --> 00:32:15,360
We didn't speak for long, for years.
467
00:32:17,660 --> 00:32:20,160
I'm not going to go into stuff like that.
468
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,800
It was just the way...
469
00:32:21,801 --> 00:32:25,910
The only thing I would say is
it was what he and his mother
470
00:32:26,010 --> 00:32:29,080
believed at the time, and
what I believed was different.
471
00:32:30,940 --> 00:32:34,634
It's really sad to me
to think that, you know,
472
00:32:34,635 --> 00:32:38,580
like, that's his only
remaining son, and...
473
00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:44,580
It's just a shame, like, to see something
so horrible happen to a family member,
474
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,040
and then you can't get it together with
the one you have left.
475
00:32:47,940 --> 00:32:49,160
Life's too short for that.
476
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,560
No, we haven't communicated that much.
477
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,140
You know, we have our differences.
478
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,000
But he's my son, and he always will be my
son.
479
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,020
And I will always be there if he needs me.
480
00:33:06,220 --> 00:33:09,160
And, uh... It's all
that needs to be said.
481
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:34,630
9-1-1 emergency.
482
00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:36,210
What are you reporting?
483
00:33:37,030 --> 00:33:37,170
Hi.
484
00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:40,358
Uh, I'm out here behind
the dump, and I found
485
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:42,931
what looks like part
of a shooting skull.
486
00:33:44,130 --> 00:33:45,770
And what's the location?
487
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:47,870
There's no paved roads around here.
488
00:33:52,290 --> 00:33:59,890
We continued the investigation on Tuesday
and Wednesday, excavating the site.
489
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,927
And through the use of
dental records, we're able to
490
00:34:03,928 --> 00:34:08,930
identify the adult victims as
Summer and Joseph McStay.
491
00:34:09,930 --> 00:34:17,490
We believe the other two sets of remains
are that of the boys, their sons.
492
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:26,640
Uh, good morning.
493
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,130
It's not really the, uh...
494
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:34,150
The, uh...
495
00:34:36,570 --> 00:34:37,570
Outcome
496
00:34:45,670 --> 00:34:46,770
we were looking for.
497
00:34:48,590 --> 00:34:49,590
But, um...
498
00:34:51,850 --> 00:34:55,590
It gives us courage to know that
499
00:34:59,940 --> 00:35:00,940
they're together.
500
00:35:04,295 --> 00:35:05,650
And they're in a better place.
501
00:35:10,090 --> 00:35:14,330
The more than three-year disappearance of
the McStay family captured national
502
00:35:14,331 --> 00:35:18,317
headlines and a vast array of
theories about their fate before
503
00:35:18,318 --> 00:35:21,390
their bodies were found in
shallow graves near Victorville.
504
00:35:23,070 --> 00:35:24,370
I was numb.
505
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:26,770
You know, I was like...
506
00:35:27,390 --> 00:35:29,170
Had I expected it?
507
00:35:29,350 --> 00:35:30,350
Yes.
508
00:35:30,430 --> 00:35:32,390
Um... I fully expected it.
509
00:35:33,070 --> 00:35:34,070
Because...
510
00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:37,570
There's... Me and
the entire family...
511
00:35:39,110 --> 00:35:39,530
Knew...
512
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:42,390
That something had happened...
513
00:35:42,910 --> 00:35:44,550
To the, to the family.
514
00:35:44,770 --> 00:35:46,790
Because... It's not Joseph.
515
00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:48,070
It's not Summer.
516
00:35:48,570 --> 00:35:51,490
It's not this... They...
They would not have left...
517
00:35:52,490 --> 00:35:57,351
For... For... You
know... Uh... Four years.
518
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:59,891
Especially... Three
and a half years.
519
00:36:00,050 --> 00:36:01,130
They wouldn't have done it.
520
00:36:01,230 --> 00:36:03,131
It just... Yeah.
521
00:36:03,450 --> 00:36:04,450
So...
522
00:36:04,690 --> 00:36:05,951
Uh... I...
523
00:36:07,410 --> 00:36:08,490
I was just numb.
524
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,440
I can't honestly tell you how I felt.
525
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:29,640
I just...
526
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:35,120
Uh... I think... The only way I can really
describe it at that point is I was lost.
527
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,480
I just felt lost.
528
00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:42,540
I ask for God's help all the time.
529
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:46,340
You know... Help me make
it through another day, Lord.
530
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,920
You know... Uh...
Help me keep my sanity.
531
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:52,780
You know?
532
00:36:52,781 --> 00:36:56,060
You didn't go to the memorial service.
533
00:36:56,420 --> 00:36:59,820
No, I... I was
asked not to come.
534
00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:02,760
I'm not going any farther with it.
535
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,900
I... Yeah, I will go farther.
536
00:37:07,901 --> 00:37:09,660
I knew one thing.
537
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,260
I wasn't raised that way.
538
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,900
And I would never do that, no matter what.
539
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,120
And for someone to do that to me was...
540
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,760
Let's just say I wouldn't do it.
541
00:37:37,540 --> 00:37:38,880
My name is Ryan Smith.
542
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:41,820
I'm a lieutenant with the San Bernardino
County Sheriff's Department.
543
00:37:49,260 --> 00:37:54,120
As soon as they were identified as the
McStay family, we started coordinating
544
00:37:54,121 --> 00:37:59,680
with San Diego, and we just transferred
everything they had, everything they did,
545
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,500
from the second they were reported
missing.
546
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,720
Someone put up a new memorial.
547
00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:09,620
Yeah, that's interesting.
548
00:38:10,145 --> 00:38:11,145
That's new.
549
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,960
That's probably within the past...
550
00:38:14,980 --> 00:38:16,300
couple months, actually.
551
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:18,531
When was the last time you were up here?
552
00:38:18,555 --> 00:38:20,620
It was within a year I've been up here.
553
00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:23,541
So... I don't really know.
554
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,060
This shoe is interesting.
555
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,400
So the two graves were right here?
556
00:38:44,420 --> 00:38:45,560
This is in the middle.
557
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:46,940
The graves are actually...
558
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,180
One's over there and the other is right
there.
559
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,540
The family went missing February 4th,
2010.
560
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,380
The graves were found in November,
2013.
561
00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:59,280
So it's three years, nine months.
562
00:38:59,780 --> 00:39:01,900
And that entire time, where were they?
563
00:39:03,140 --> 00:39:04,500
Right here, in the desert.
564
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,780
So now we knew where they were.
565
00:39:12,140 --> 00:39:13,860
But now you have to find out who did it?
566
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:14,500
Right.
567
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,980
Yeah, now the real work begins.
568
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,640
Our sergeant told us, take everything that
you've heard and throw it out the window.
569
00:39:22,780 --> 00:39:28,300
We want you to look specifically at these
cases and start writing suspect lists,
570
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,900
start identifying people that we need to
interview.
571
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:44,529
So you have one grave
down over in that area,
572
00:39:44,530 --> 00:39:47,571
and the second grave is
kind of right behind me.
573
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:52,630
And then the cell phone tower is actually
up on the mountain right there,
574
00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:55,510
and that's the cell phone tower that Chase
pinged off of.
575
00:39:58,890 --> 00:40:02,343
You look on the 6th,
and he's pinging at that
576
00:40:02,344 --> 00:40:06,231
Stoddard Wells tower,
right at the graves.
577
00:40:06,330 --> 00:40:08,630
It kind of puts you on your heels a little
bit.
578
00:40:09,710 --> 00:40:11,370
That's pretty damning evidence.
579
00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:14,382
Yeah, that's, that's, there's
no reason, I mean you
580
00:40:14,383 --> 00:40:17,570
can look around and there's
no reason to be over here.
581
00:40:17,571 --> 00:40:24,131
There's no stores, there's no people,
there's no houses, there's nothing over here.
582
00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:26,070
There's nothing over here.
583
00:40:32,910 --> 00:40:37,600
So they took the Azuzu Trooper from the
impound lot, and they process it.
584
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,820
So we do get a DNA hit on Joseph,
not surprisingly, as a major contributor,
585
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,320
because he's the one who drove it.
586
00:40:46,321 --> 00:40:50,860
I believe Summer's DNA was in there as a
trace, and then so was Charles Merritt's,
587
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:53,660
as a trace contributor, on the driver's
side.
588
00:41:06,910 --> 00:41:11,170
Charles Merritt is a suspect, you could
not cross him off as an alibi.
589
00:41:11,171 --> 00:41:15,250
You could not cross him off as not having
a motive, you know, or an opportunity.
590
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:18,630
His initial statement, I was home that
night.
591
00:41:19,210 --> 00:41:24,590
I didn't go anywhere, but the phone
records actually don't support that.
592
00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:28,210
Joseph was operating his business out of
QuickBooks.
593
00:41:28,690 --> 00:41:31,938
And around the first of
February became evidence that
594
00:41:31,939 --> 00:41:35,750
someone else had access to it
because the activity changed.
595
00:41:38,170 --> 00:41:44,610
If Joseph finds out that Chase had indeed
forged a check and cashed it, I think that
596
00:41:44,611 --> 00:41:47,990
certainly would be significant enough to
sever that relationship.
597
00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:50,910
And he had no other source of income.
598
00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:52,510
That was desperation.
599
00:41:53,970 --> 00:42:00,830
When you look at the phones, with the car,
with the financial fraud, with his
600
00:42:00,831 --> 00:42:05,056
behavior, when you
look at just all of these
601
00:42:05,057 --> 00:42:08,990
things, that's when you
realize, this is our guy.
602
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,930
This is, this is who did it.
603
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,825
On Wednesday, San
Bernardino County Sheriff's
604
00:42:17,826 --> 00:42:19,810
deputies hauled Chase
Merritt off to jail.
605
00:42:19,811 --> 00:42:23,370
He's accused of killing the family,
including two young children in their home.
606
00:42:23,490 --> 00:42:27,770
This morning, we filed four counts of
murder on the defendant, Charles Ray
607
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:36,650
Merritt, for the murder of Joseph McStay,
his wife, Summer, and their children,
608
00:42:37,070 --> 00:42:44,150
Gianni and Joseph Jr. We filed the special
circumstance of multiple murders,
609
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,350
what makes them eligible for the death
penalty.
610
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:55,560
It was a vindication that somebody had
been arrested.
611
00:42:56,740 --> 00:42:59,640
Of course, it just brought up more
questions than answers, really.
612
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,160
It's like, okay, what was it?
613
00:43:01,220 --> 00:43:02,700
What was the final piece of evidence?
614
00:43:04,180 --> 00:43:08,340
We really could not wait for the trial to
come out just to hear what they had on him.
615
00:43:08,341 --> 00:43:11,640
And because it worried us, it was like,
do they have enough?
616
00:43:11,860 --> 00:43:13,340
You know, what is it that they have?
617
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,060
Is it going to be enough to convict?
618
00:43:16,180 --> 00:43:17,440
How are you going to win this?
619
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:19,500
They put you at the crime scene.
620
00:43:20,220 --> 00:43:21,900
They put you at the grave site.
621
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:23,600
They put you at the home.
622
00:43:25,780 --> 00:43:27,100
Like, no, they didn't.
623
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,560
Chase, look, they've got the evidence.
624
00:43:31,561 --> 00:43:34,020
Well, they didn't.
625
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,360
They lied.
626
00:43:35,740 --> 00:43:37,800
They falsified documents.
627
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:46,320
They manipulated this evidence to look
impressive, unless you really looked.
628
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,651
So we got a call from
the prosecutors before
629
00:43:57,652 --> 00:44:00,580
trial started, saying
that there was a witness.
630
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,920
Essentially what she was saying was
someone else was the killer.
631
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,280
Well, I think you guys are the wrong man.
632
00:44:06,780 --> 00:44:08,480
I continued suspecting him.
633
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:09,600
I mean, I still do.
634
00:44:09,740 --> 00:44:11,280
This is my best friend of ten years.
635
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,520
I would not make this up.
636
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:14,580
I need to look in the shower for DNA.
637
00:44:15,020 --> 00:44:18,000
You do look at yourself and go,
oh, shit, right?
638
00:44:18,460 --> 00:44:21,600
What, what, what, what can happen next?
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