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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,970 --> 00:00:33,230 911, emergency. 2 00:00:33,810 --> 00:00:34,810 What are you reporting? 3 00:00:42,130 --> 00:00:44,410 And what's the location? 4 00:00:48,070 --> 00:00:52,110 The remains of four people were discovered in the Mojave Desert. 5 00:00:52,570 --> 00:00:55,470 This morning, we filed a special circumstance of 6 00:00:55,471 --> 00:00:58,870 multiple murders on the defendant, Charles Ray Merritt. 7 00:00:59,770 --> 00:01:02,890 Merritt is accused of killing the entire McStay family. 8 00:01:03,050 --> 00:01:07,610 Joseph, Summer, and their two small sons, Merritt is facing, potentially, 9 00:01:08,230 --> 00:01:09,230 the death penalty. 10 00:01:09,430 --> 00:01:11,210 Did I kill the McStay family? 11 00:01:11,890 --> 00:01:12,890 Absolutely not. 12 00:01:13,390 --> 00:01:16,370 This is the strongest circumstantial evidence case I've ever seen, and if he 13 00:01:16,371 --> 00:01:18,530 didn't do it, he's the unluckiest guy in the world. 14 00:01:19,190 --> 00:01:24,890 It was blow after blow after blow to a child's skull. 15 00:01:25,550 --> 00:01:28,290 I just can't imagine doing that to another human being. 16 00:01:29,630 --> 00:01:30,670 Let a little child. 17 00:01:31,410 --> 00:01:33,250 The evidence shows they got the wrong guy. 18 00:01:33,530 --> 00:01:36,910 This is purely circumstantial, and it's a stretch at best. 19 00:01:37,170 --> 00:01:40,822 As long as my dad is in jail, and as long as they're focusing 20 00:01:40,823 --> 00:01:44,510 on him, there's still somebody out there that did this. 21 00:01:48,130 --> 00:01:52,730 I've never, ever been in a trial that was this contentious. 22 00:01:53,350 --> 00:01:58,310 And it was very personal, and it became very personal. 23 00:01:58,311 --> 00:02:01,510 Again, these accusations are completely unfounded. 24 00:02:01,630 --> 00:02:01,710 I'm still talking. 25 00:02:01,711 --> 00:02:04,410 This prosecutor is a cheater and a liar. 26 00:02:04,810 --> 00:02:08,730 You withheld this evidence, and now your expert is saying that you're full of shit. 27 00:02:09,390 --> 00:02:10,390 And you lied. 28 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:11,750 All right, all right. 29 00:02:11,930 --> 00:02:14,390 You're already shown to be a liar, so let's not go down. 30 00:02:14,391 --> 00:02:14,930 Just a minute. 31 00:02:15,110 --> 00:02:16,110 Just a minute. 32 00:02:16,350 --> 00:02:18,510 I may deserve a lot of things. 33 00:02:18,790 --> 00:02:20,550 I don't deserve this. 34 00:02:20,970 --> 00:02:24,030 A tragedy that gripped the entire nation. 35 00:02:24,230 --> 00:02:26,130 Tomorrow, jurors announce their verdict. 36 00:02:26,131 --> 00:02:29,050 I'm just not sure where we are here. 37 00:02:30,110 --> 00:02:32,450 Please a jury in the above-entitled action. 38 00:02:32,730 --> 00:02:35,530 Find the defendant, Charles Ray Merritt. 39 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,260 What's up, dudes? 40 00:03:10,650 --> 00:03:11,740 It's hard to watch. 41 00:03:14,820 --> 00:03:16,720 Just that sweet little belly laugh. 42 00:03:17,660 --> 00:03:19,260 And how innocent they were. 43 00:03:21,660 --> 00:03:22,920 Look who this is. 44 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:24,600 What's up, Jay? 45 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,260 I worked for a waterfall manufacturer. 46 00:03:27,660 --> 00:03:29,660 I was Joey's account manager. 47 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:31,280 He cared about me as a person. 48 00:03:31,300 --> 00:03:32,580 I cared about him as a person. 49 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,720 It went beyond just a transactional relationship. 50 00:03:36,060 --> 00:03:38,320 I also got to know a lot about his family. 51 00:03:38,540 --> 00:03:40,420 He was very devoted to his wife and kids. 52 00:03:40,421 --> 00:03:41,421 Goodbye. 53 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:42,760 Goodbye now. 54 00:03:42,761 --> 00:03:42,900 Goodbye now. 55 00:03:43,390 --> 00:03:44,883 They were people that would give you the 56 00:03:44,884 --> 00:03:46,780 shirt off their back and do anything for you. 57 00:03:47,180 --> 00:03:49,340 They were good parents raising what would 58 00:03:49,341 --> 00:03:52,921 have been two great human beings in the world. 59 00:03:52,970 --> 00:03:54,240 Did somebody come last night? 60 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:55,400 Merry Christmas! 61 00:03:58,490 --> 00:03:59,680 They had it all, you know. 62 00:04:01,730 --> 00:04:04,280 The two kids, the two dogs, their new house. 63 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,940 Both of them were excited about their business prospects. 64 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,200 Yeah. 65 00:04:13,620 --> 00:04:15,200 It was stolen from them. 66 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,940 Joseph McStay, seen in this home video with his wife, Summer, and their two young 67 00:04:23,941 --> 00:04:29,200 sons, Joseph and Gianni, mysteriously disappeared in February of 2010. 68 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,980 The search is over for a California family who disappeared nearly four years ago. 69 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,360 In the California desert just north of Victorville, 70 00:04:37,361 --> 00:04:39,921 a gruesome discovery by a motorcycle rider. 71 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,580 Joseph and Summer McStay, their children, four-year-old 72 00:04:43,581 --> 00:04:47,800 Gianni and three-year-old Joe Jr., buried in shallow graves. 73 00:04:47,801 --> 00:04:53,320 In 2014, law enforcement arrested and charged Charles Merritt for their murders. 74 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,540 Merritt was a business associate of Joseph McStay. 75 00:04:56,740 --> 00:04:59,400 But prosecutors claim things turned sour. 76 00:04:59,660 --> 00:05:05,381 According to prosecutors, Merritt beat all four members of the McStay family to death. 77 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,060 Did I kill the McStay family? 78 00:05:11,210 --> 00:05:12,210 Of course not. 79 00:05:13,020 --> 00:05:20,580 I can't think of the word, but I just simply don't understand how it got to this 80 00:05:20,581 --> 00:05:25,220 point where people are actually believing it. 81 00:05:27,100 --> 00:05:35,100 I would never hurt him, never hurt Summer, Gianni, or Joseph Jr. There's just... 82 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,120 He was my best friend. 83 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,120 Don't you understand? 84 00:05:42,121 --> 00:05:46,680 You are tearing somebody else's life completely apart. 85 00:06:06,380 --> 00:06:09,480 It is a mystery that has captivated the nation. 86 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,820 Joseph McStay, his wife, and their two sons were killed and then buried in the desert. 87 00:06:14,020 --> 00:06:18,980 And now the mystery unraveling in court where their suspected killer is on trial. 88 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:24,080 The McStay family disappeared about nine years ago from their home in Fallbrook. 89 00:06:24,081 --> 00:06:28,840 Chase Merritt faced down charges of brutally murdering his professed best 90 00:06:28,841 --> 00:06:31,308 friend along with his whole family with a 91 00:06:31,309 --> 00:06:34,461 sledgehammer for the pure reason of financial gain. 92 00:06:34,860 --> 00:06:38,200 Today, opening statements start in San Bernardino for Merritt. 93 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,125 Defense attorneys argue Merritt would never have 94 00:06:41,126 --> 00:06:43,960 hurt McStay, his best friend and business partner. 95 00:06:44,180 --> 00:06:49,300 And they say the real killer is out there because the San Diego County sheriffs made 96 00:06:49,301 --> 00:06:52,000 mistakes in the initial portions of the investigation. 97 00:06:52,001 --> 00:06:56,740 If convicted on all counts, Merritt is facing potentially the death penalty. 98 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,300 From San Bernardino, Jamie Chambers, Fox 5 News. 99 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:03,840 Good morning. 100 00:07:05,780 --> 00:07:07,200 Good to see everybody back. 101 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:13,460 We mentioned before there might be some media attention during the trial. 102 00:07:14,020 --> 00:07:15,880 As you can see, there's a bit. 103 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,911 Just again, a reminder, they're not allowed 104 00:07:19,912 --> 00:07:23,080 to film or video or record any of the jurors. 105 00:07:23,500 --> 00:07:26,520 And with that, are people ready to do not restate them? 106 00:07:26,521 --> 00:07:27,180 Yes, good morning. 107 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:28,796 Sean, do we have the people on record? 108 00:07:28,820 --> 00:07:29,820 Okay. 109 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:33,520 Good morning. 110 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:34,080 Good morning. 111 00:07:34,081 --> 00:07:35,081 Good morning. 112 00:07:35,980 --> 00:07:40,360 How does this family of four disappear off the face of the year? 113 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:49,240 How does this family of four, a husband who's running a business, a mom who's 114 00:07:49,241 --> 00:07:52,401 raising her two kids, fixing up a house they 115 00:07:52,402 --> 00:07:55,721 just bought recently, how do they just disappear? 116 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,180 Just up and gone. 117 00:07:59,060 --> 00:08:05,360 The how is that each member of this family that you see here, Joseph McStay, 118 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:13,400 40 years old, his wife Summer, their two kids, Gianni, who was four years 119 00:08:13,401 --> 00:08:19,260 old, and Joe Jr., who four days before they were murdered had just turned three. 120 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,200 The how is that they were beaten about the head and face until they died. 121 00:08:25,980 --> 00:08:32,420 And then they were taken 100 miles away from their home and buried in the desert. 122 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:40,040 They were buried in such a manner that animals tore at their remains, 123 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,540 that they decomposed to almost nothing but a set of a few bones. 124 00:08:46,340 --> 00:08:52,061 Summer's been hit in the front of her face, fracturing her jaw in several places. 125 00:08:52,540 --> 00:08:54,680 She was also struck in the back of the head 126 00:08:54,681 --> 00:08:58,021 and in the front of the head numerous times. 127 00:08:59,220 --> 00:09:02,155 Joseph McStay had a fractured rib bone, which 128 00:09:02,156 --> 00:09:04,600 you can see here in the middle of the photograph. 129 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,760 You can also see to the left the red tie-down strap in the electrical court. 130 00:09:09,060 --> 00:09:12,980 In the back of his head was a clear impact site. 131 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,240 All four members of the McStay family were killed by one force trauma. 132 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:18,920 So go ahead. 133 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,548 So I, you know, watched the trial hoping to find information 134 00:09:35,549 --> 00:09:38,030 that I hadn't seen before, which I got plenty of. 135 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,042 One of the worst images that I remember from 136 00:09:45,043 --> 00:09:47,681 the trial that I couldn't prepare myself for... 137 00:09:50,420 --> 00:09:51,980 was Joseph's face. 138 00:09:58,600 --> 00:09:59,600 So bad. 139 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,580 Just so weird. 140 00:10:03,620 --> 00:10:06,039 And like, I wish I could have turned away and 141 00:10:06,139 --> 00:10:08,780 not seen it, but like I said, I can't unsee that. 142 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:12,480 It sucks. 143 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:13,960 I hate this. 144 00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:26,840 And then little Gianni were somehow severely beaten as well. 145 00:10:28,220 --> 00:10:30,816 And you don't really know what happened to little 146 00:10:30,817 --> 00:10:33,821 Joey because his remains were too scattered. 147 00:10:35,860 --> 00:10:38,700 I just can't imagine doing that to another human being. 148 00:10:39,900 --> 00:10:41,080 Let alone a child. 149 00:10:47,660 --> 00:10:53,440 The why boils down to greed and greed's child fraud. 150 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,280 And the who is sitting here in court today. 151 00:11:04,060 --> 00:11:05,060 Charles Moore. 152 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,180 The man who, while claiming to be Joseph's best friend, was forging checks from 153 00:11:12,181 --> 00:11:14,380 Joseph's business and taking money from him. 154 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,380 Putting his hands in the cookie jar. 155 00:11:19,020 --> 00:11:22,660 The who, the evidence will show, is the person whose cell phone activity 156 00:11:22,661 --> 00:11:26,771 for significant portions of time during significant days 157 00:11:26,772 --> 00:11:30,840 and times around the time of the murder, is off the grid. 158 00:11:31,660 --> 00:11:33,500 We can't answer all of the questions. 159 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,520 We can answer the who. 160 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:42,920 And the who is the defendant who's ripping off his best friend and got caught. 161 00:11:44,140 --> 00:11:46,900 I think Sean put it well in his opening statement. 162 00:11:47,180 --> 00:11:52,200 The jury needed to understand that not all cases have an eyewitness, a confession, 163 00:11:52,740 --> 00:11:57,500 a smoking gun, and that they have to be open to the concept of circumstantial 164 00:11:57,501 --> 00:12:01,880 evidence, understanding how those circumstances interconnect and interplay 165 00:12:01,881 --> 00:12:03,818 with each other, and how that comes to the 166 00:12:03,819 --> 00:12:07,181 ultimate conclusion that the defendant's guilty. 167 00:12:11,330 --> 00:12:12,330 Hello. 168 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:19,780 So, you can see what's happening from our perspective. 169 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:25,440 The prosecution's case, we can tell from their opening, is based on innuendo, 170 00:12:26,380 --> 00:12:29,240 rumor, circumstantial evidence. 171 00:12:29,660 --> 00:12:31,220 They're unwilling to listen. 172 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,800 They're unwilling to look at what we believe the 173 00:12:34,801 --> 00:12:37,400 truth is and what we believe the evidence shows. 174 00:12:37,401 --> 00:12:38,480 Thank you. 175 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,420 Their case was a house of cards. 176 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,120 That's what it was. 177 00:12:47,380 --> 00:12:52,800 There was simply no substance to the allegations when you pick the case apart. 178 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,900 We never found that smoking gun. 179 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:57,600 It just wasn't there. 180 00:12:58,580 --> 00:13:01,508 In a case like this, when I know he didn't do it, I 181 00:13:01,509 --> 00:13:06,180 know he's not responsible for this, how can I stop? 182 00:13:07,380 --> 00:13:11,860 I mean, what's been forgotten in all of this is that Chase loved him. 183 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,980 As a brother, he adored Joseph. 184 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:16,700 He couldn't spend a day without him. 185 00:13:17,180 --> 00:13:19,700 And he's fighting for his life because he's innocent. 186 00:13:28,410 --> 00:13:29,930 It's just real fun. 187 00:13:32,530 --> 00:13:36,770 So, uh, how do you think things are going so far? 188 00:13:38,810 --> 00:13:40,250 I am... 189 00:13:41,850 --> 00:13:43,110 taken aback. 190 00:13:43,750 --> 00:13:51,150 Well, actually, the better word would be I'm appalled at the prosecution's strategy. 191 00:13:51,470 --> 00:13:52,770 It scares me. 192 00:14:02,180 --> 00:14:03,620 Chase wanted it told. 193 00:14:04,145 --> 00:14:09,240 The story was always somebody who was an innocent man who was accused of this crime. 194 00:14:09,241 --> 00:14:10,241 Use marker? 195 00:14:10,380 --> 00:14:11,380 Yep. 196 00:14:14,340 --> 00:14:15,340 Go. 197 00:14:15,580 --> 00:14:16,580 Yeah, hold on. 198 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:24,380 We had grave concerns about the financial relationship between the media company and 199 00:14:24,381 --> 00:14:26,920 the defense counsel and even the defendant. 200 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:33,421 Are we getting another making-of-a-murderer hit piece on prosecutors? 201 00:14:34,020 --> 00:14:36,940 Is it going to be totally slanted towards the defense? 202 00:14:53,150 --> 00:14:56,330 When did you first find out that there was a documentary being made? 203 00:14:59,210 --> 00:15:03,830 I believe it was just before we went to trial. 204 00:15:04,330 --> 00:15:11,150 And then, when I found out that they were embedded with the defense, I got convinced 205 00:15:11,730 --> 00:15:14,570 that this was going to be a defense story. 206 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:18,170 And it was going to be one-sided to the defense. 207 00:15:18,171 --> 00:15:19,970 And I wanted no part of that. 208 00:15:29,740 --> 00:15:37,740 I hope, once it's finished and it's done and it airs, that it is absolutely fair. 209 00:15:38,460 --> 00:15:40,860 And the whole story's told, both sides. 210 00:15:41,540 --> 00:15:42,080 Okay? 211 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,080 And the public can decide. 212 00:15:53,130 --> 00:15:54,310 Gee, come on, let's go! 213 00:15:59,780 --> 00:16:01,900 You are not very patient, are you? 214 00:16:03,580 --> 00:16:04,580 Let's go! 215 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,160 Why are you laying in the middle of the street, dude? 216 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:10,440 Come on! 217 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:11,900 Let's go on Daddy's bike. 218 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:13,480 Yeah, let's go on Daddy's bike. 219 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:14,380 Yeah! 220 00:16:14,540 --> 00:16:15,540 Yeah, let's go. 221 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,200 You gotta understand, man. 222 00:16:18,340 --> 00:16:18,640 I... 223 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:27,140 I still, to this day, can be sitting in my living room, watching a program on TV, 224 00:16:27,460 --> 00:16:30,140 and something will come up on the screen. 225 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,780 And I'll go, damn, I'm gonna call Joey. 226 00:16:35,060 --> 00:16:36,520 And then it hits me. 227 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,200 I don't have Joey. 228 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,340 I mean, he's in my heart. 229 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:51,880 In my head. 230 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,020 But there's no physical Joey here. 231 00:16:56,460 --> 00:16:57,460 Look at this guy. 232 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,740 So you lose him all the time, all over again. 233 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,080 Yeah. 234 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,000 Every day. 235 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,060 Every single day. 236 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,540 Yeah, Joey was two years old when I met Susan. 237 00:17:17,100 --> 00:17:18,840 As a matter of fact, he had just turned to. 238 00:17:19,340 --> 00:17:25,120 And so, yeah, he and I, like an instant bond. 239 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:31,056 And, I think back to those times, and I think that, 240 00:17:31,057 --> 00:17:33,980 I fell as much in love with him as I did his mother. 241 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,160 And, he was the same way. 242 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:46,120 When Michael was born, you know, and they were, they were pretty much inseparable. 243 00:17:46,121 --> 00:17:50,260 And they were, and they were a perfect pair. 244 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,440 Susan and I got divorced. 245 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,540 But Joey and I were extremely close. 246 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,720 He designed, and they built, custom waterfalls. 247 00:18:13,721 --> 00:18:14,920 pretty. 248 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:20,500 For example, if you walked into a lobby of a business, and you saw on a wall, 249 00:18:20,755 --> 00:18:26,860 their logo, with water running down the wall over the logo, that's what Joey did. 250 00:18:27,580 --> 00:18:30,740 Sometimes on glass feet, you'd have some dry spots at startup. 251 00:18:31,220 --> 00:18:32,240 But, watch this. 252 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,280 All right, Chase. 253 00:18:34,700 --> 00:18:38,740 Just gonna shake the edge of the glass, and it's corrected immediately. 254 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,391 Chase Merritt was, let's see, I guess the 255 00:18:42,392 --> 00:18:45,961 best way to describe it is, he was a welder. 256 00:18:46,140 --> 00:18:47,900 Whatever Joey designed, he would build. 257 00:18:48,260 --> 00:18:50,700 And, they really did well. 258 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,100 Hey Chase, step back. 259 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:58,880 If the company had survived, it had contracts, for 11 to 12 million dollars, 260 00:18:59,140 --> 00:19:00,140 over the next five years. 261 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,200 And, I can honestly say, Merritt was good at what he did. 262 00:19:05,260 --> 00:19:06,860 Joey, he would have called him a friend. 263 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,260 Joseph and I, we were, we were pretty close. 264 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,500 He was really a cool guy. 265 00:19:16,380 --> 00:19:18,660 We used to, play paintball together. 266 00:19:20,340 --> 00:19:25,360 We, he'd come down, to my house, every other week or so. 267 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:26,780 Uh, have dinner. 268 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:32,980 I would go to his house, probably, once a week. 269 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,720 Sometimes, sometimes more often. 270 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,800 Just depending on, the week. 271 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,380 Joseph and I talked for, at least 15 times a day. 272 00:19:43,020 --> 00:19:45,160 So, were we close? 273 00:19:45,420 --> 00:19:45,560 Yeah. 274 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:48,260 We talked, all day. 275 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:50,680 Every day. 276 00:19:50,681 --> 00:19:51,681 Every day. 277 00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:05,410 Good morning, everyone. 278 00:20:05,850 --> 00:20:07,890 As you know, my name is James McGee. 279 00:20:08,050 --> 00:20:09,430 I'm representing Mr. Merritt. 280 00:20:10,030 --> 00:20:12,370 We're just sitting here, before you. 281 00:20:12,980 --> 00:20:15,950 When we see the McStay family, we see victims. 282 00:20:16,090 --> 00:20:16,650 We do. 283 00:20:16,930 --> 00:20:18,530 And we want justice for them as well. 284 00:20:19,780 --> 00:20:23,090 What you gotta realize is, Charles Merritt, which here, he calls Chase. 285 00:20:24,020 --> 00:20:25,270 Chase is Joseph's best friend. 286 00:20:26,770 --> 00:20:28,630 The loss is also to him. 287 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,550 The theme you're gonna hear, throughout this trial, is confirmation bias. 288 00:20:35,690 --> 00:20:36,690 Confirmation bias. 289 00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:40,165 That's when, you decide what conclusion you 290 00:20:40,166 --> 00:20:43,531 want, and look for the facts that support it. 291 00:20:43,910 --> 00:20:46,730 And that's what, this whole investigation is. 292 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,030 We want Chase Merritt. 293 00:20:50,020 --> 00:20:52,681 So let's just, do gymnastics with logic, and 294 00:20:52,682 --> 00:20:55,891 figure out, how do we build a case against him? 295 00:20:56,890 --> 00:21:01,190 DNA from the grave site, excludes, Charles Merritt. 296 00:21:02,090 --> 00:21:03,090 That's correct. 297 00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:07,730 Nobody knows this, but us. 298 00:21:09,170 --> 00:21:16,250 So apparently, Chase killed his family, buried him, and put someone else's DNA, 299 00:21:16,670 --> 00:21:19,050 on everything, and not his own. 300 00:21:20,730 --> 00:21:22,550 And we're still going to try. 301 00:21:25,630 --> 00:21:28,378 Any good defense attorney, would say, you know, that's 302 00:21:28,379 --> 00:21:30,891 really nice, they've charged my client, they can't prove it. 303 00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:33,827 For whatever grounds, whether it's, you don't know 304 00:21:33,927 --> 00:21:37,650 when, where, why, how, or that my client did it. 305 00:21:38,150 --> 00:21:41,170 I think in this case, it was pretty obvious, they were murdered. 306 00:21:42,030 --> 00:21:42,430 Right? 307 00:21:42,550 --> 00:21:44,790 They were spirited away, from their house, at some point. 308 00:21:44,830 --> 00:21:47,030 They were murdered, they were buried, in shallow graves. 309 00:21:47,670 --> 00:21:51,990 And I think, the first question to ask, is how does that family of four, 310 00:21:52,220 --> 00:21:53,970 just disappear, off the face of the earth? 311 00:22:17,630 --> 00:22:20,510 I'm at home, and the phone rings, I pick up the phone, and I look at it, 312 00:22:20,570 --> 00:22:23,770 and I get a caller ID, and it says, D Cavanaugh. 313 00:22:26,590 --> 00:22:27,590 Delete. 314 00:22:29,555 --> 00:22:30,875 Who in the hell is Dan Cavanaugh? 315 00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:36,350 About an hour later, I get an email, pops up. 316 00:22:37,030 --> 00:22:38,030 Whoop. 317 00:22:38,490 --> 00:22:39,490 D Cavanaugh. 318 00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:42,750 So then, I'm talking to Michael. 319 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:44,910 Who's D Cavanaugh? 320 00:22:44,911 --> 00:22:46,510 I don't know ID Cavanaugh. 321 00:22:46,670 --> 00:22:46,830 I don't know ID Cavanaugh. 322 00:22:46,831 --> 00:22:48,810 My son Michael goes, oh yeah you do dad. 323 00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:50,830 Dan Cavanaugh. 324 00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:52,250 Dan the hacker. 325 00:22:52,810 --> 00:22:54,950 And I went, oh hell, I know who that is. 326 00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:56,130 Yeah. 327 00:22:57,890 --> 00:23:00,630 I knew his name, but I never paid attention to it. 328 00:23:00,860 --> 00:23:02,420 Probably heard it, maybe once or twice. 329 00:23:04,090 --> 00:23:06,190 Joey hired him, to design his website. 330 00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:12,470 And the deal was, Joey would pay him, based off the sales, and the hits to the site. 331 00:23:12,790 --> 00:23:14,490 And that was basically it. 332 00:23:15,010 --> 00:23:17,070 Dan would maintain the site. 333 00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:30,650 When Cavanaugh, he's trying to get him, he can't get him. 334 00:23:31,130 --> 00:23:32,590 And the emails full. 335 00:23:34,590 --> 00:23:36,650 And phone messages are full. 336 00:23:38,090 --> 00:23:39,090 Something's wrong. 337 00:23:39,130 --> 00:23:41,390 Joey, he'll do a lot of things. 338 00:23:41,670 --> 00:23:44,610 But he is not gonna miss an order for money. 339 00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:46,570 I'm telling you that right now. 340 00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:49,970 That's his livelihood. 341 00:23:50,270 --> 00:23:52,430 That's his support for his family. 342 00:23:53,710 --> 00:23:54,710 Something's wrong. 343 00:24:04,330 --> 00:24:06,680 It was just baffling to me at the time. 344 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,552 When I tried to call him, and it goes to his 345 00:24:09,553 --> 00:24:12,841 voicemail, and it says the voicemail's full. 346 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,760 Why isn't he picking up? 347 00:24:15,380 --> 00:24:17,160 Why isn't he calling me back? 348 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,000 Okay, Friday. 349 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,080 Eh, no big deal. 350 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:23,860 Maybe he's doing something. 351 00:24:23,861 --> 00:24:24,861 Maybe he's busy. 352 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:27,120 Saturday. 353 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,980 Eh, well. 354 00:24:29,820 --> 00:24:31,256 Maybe he and Summer are doing something. 355 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,360 Maybe they're out shopping. 356 00:24:34,020 --> 00:24:35,300 So Sunday evening. 357 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,120 Now I'm getting a little worried. 358 00:24:37,980 --> 00:24:39,960 This is a little out of the ordinary. 359 00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:43,100 Monday, I'm getting upset. 360 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,880 So, now I gotta find out. 361 00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:06,310 So, I'm telling Michael I can't reach him. 362 00:25:07,540 --> 00:25:11,260 And I asked him if he could run down to the house and check on his brother. 363 00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:13,800 Because I was really getting to that point. 364 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,860 And he was, no, Dad, I'm too busy. 365 00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:21,560 And I'm going, you know, please, Mike. 366 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,840 This is really important. 367 00:25:23,020 --> 00:25:24,540 I'm really worried about your brother. 368 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,080 And he's like, Dad, I'm busy. 369 00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:29,860 He said, I can't do it. 370 00:25:29,861 --> 00:25:32,380 How mad at Michael were you? 371 00:25:33,460 --> 00:25:34,460 Pretty mad. 372 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,200 If I could have jumped through the phone, I would have. 373 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,040 I was pretty hot. 374 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,660 We had several projects in the works. 375 00:25:56,661 --> 00:26:00,100 And he just suddenly stopped calling. 376 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,600 So, I tried to reach him for several days. 377 00:26:05,260 --> 00:26:10,680 Finally, I decided on the 9th to drive out there. 378 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,900 Nobody was home. 379 00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:17,461 So, finally, I got hold of Michael and said, 380 00:26:17,462 --> 00:26:20,340 Look, you're going to meet me down there. 381 00:26:21,060 --> 00:26:23,080 You need to file a missing persons report. 382 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,835 And it took several phone calls for him to 383 00:26:26,836 --> 00:26:30,841 finally say, Okay, I'll meet you down there. 384 00:26:59,810 --> 00:27:03,770 On that day, him and I were there at the house. 385 00:27:04,340 --> 00:27:07,170 And he went through the window of Joseph's office. 386 00:27:07,620 --> 00:27:09,530 And opened the house. 387 00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:10,830 And we went in. 388 00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:13,270 And, you know, nothing looked awry. 389 00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:15,390 But the kitchen was kind of a mess. 390 00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:20,650 And he just kept, it's no big deal. 391 00:27:21,150 --> 00:27:22,530 And I'm like, it's a big deal. 392 00:27:22,770 --> 00:27:23,770 He would have called me. 393 00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:26,310 And I said, dude, call the Sheriff Department. 394 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,649 And then, finally, the last time I said, Dude, 395 00:27:28,650 --> 00:27:31,551 call the Sheriff Department and I'm going to. 396 00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:42,490 The police went through the whole house. 397 00:27:43,530 --> 00:27:45,310 They were in the midst of a huge remodel. 398 00:27:45,570 --> 00:27:47,490 So, carpets were coming up. 399 00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:48,810 Wood floor was going down. 400 00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:51,350 They were in the midst, like right in the middle of that. 401 00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:56,510 They looked for any obvious sights of blood or sign of a struggle. 402 00:27:56,910 --> 00:27:58,310 And didn't see anything like that. 403 00:27:59,730 --> 00:28:00,730 But 404 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,380 my thinking was, if they took a three-day weekend because of the holiday, 405 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,760 then they took the week, then they took the following weekend. 406 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:17,980 That's a ten-day stint. 407 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,320 So that's why I didn't call. 408 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,260 Should I call on Saturday? 409 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,880 Is that the day I should have called on Saturday? 410 00:28:23,881 --> 00:28:24,040 No. 411 00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:27,180 The answer to your question is, there's no right and no wrong. 412 00:28:27,660 --> 00:28:31,000 It's what you feel when you thought that it was important enough. 413 00:28:31,380 --> 00:28:32,380 What do you think? 414 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,700 As a brother, where are they? 415 00:28:34,780 --> 00:28:37,887 I'm hoping they went down and they just went 416 00:28:37,888 --> 00:28:41,501 to Mexico and they took a two-week vacation. 417 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,020 I mean, that's a pipe dream at this point. 418 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,880 I don't know. 419 00:28:45,060 --> 00:28:48,760 What did you see in the house that would indicate that that's probably not true? 420 00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:51,360 Did you see in... did you go through the house? 421 00:28:52,060 --> 00:28:53,980 I just walked through, but I didn't get a... 422 00:28:54,610 --> 00:28:55,540 Well, let me help you out. 423 00:28:55,541 --> 00:28:56,420 The food laying out. 424 00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:57,420 The food laying out. 425 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,520 That makes me nervous. 426 00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:02,840 Yeah, but it doesn't look like any violence or anything gnarly. 427 00:29:02,841 --> 00:29:04,845 And I don't see anything broken like there was 428 00:29:04,846 --> 00:29:06,840 a struggle or somebody threw something down. 429 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,280 Okay. 430 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,680 You're pretty much free to do whatever you want. 431 00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:29,340 Understand this, though. 432 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,180 If something happened in that house that I need to know, for evidentiary purposes... 433 00:29:35,181 --> 00:29:35,380 Right. 434 00:29:36,180 --> 00:29:38,740 The more you're in there and the more you manipulate things... 435 00:29:39,380 --> 00:29:39,460 Right. 436 00:29:39,461 --> 00:29:42,800 The more the scene and why figuring out goes out the window. 437 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,580 Evidence that was lost in the house. 438 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,660 Susan Blake thoroughly cleaned that house with bleach. 439 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:05,360 And thoroughly bleached down everything. 440 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,980 But, you know, she was scared. 441 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,180 She was trying to make herself busy. 442 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,520 I don't blame her in the least. 443 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,340 I do blame the detectives. 444 00:30:15,580 --> 00:30:18,320 They should have not let them back in that house. 445 00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:24,720 If they hadn't have, there would have been a plethora of evidence that would, 446 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,240 at the very least, have the possibility of exonerating me. 447 00:30:28,241 --> 00:30:30,980 But now, it's just gone. 448 00:30:43,650 --> 00:30:48,622 Police discovered the couple's 1996 white SUV had been 449 00:30:48,623 --> 00:30:53,900 abandoned in a San Ysidro parking lot near the Mexican border. 450 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,521 Investigators released this surveillance video of what 451 00:30:58,522 --> 00:31:01,580 appeared to be the mixed days crossing the Mexican border. 452 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,120 I just didn't believe that they would go into Mexico. 453 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,040 There were sightings in Mexico, but nobody ever confirmed any of them. 454 00:31:17,260 --> 00:31:18,260 None of them. 455 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:36,500 It was kind of like we made an agreement that Susan and I and Michael would talk to. 456 00:31:36,660 --> 00:31:39,690 And we would all agree on what we were going 457 00:31:39,691 --> 00:31:43,481 to do, step by step, or we wouldn't do it. 458 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:51,101 But within a matter of a week or two, it was almost like what I said had no meaning. 459 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,640 And so at that point, I said, I'm done. 460 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,100 You guys do what you want to do. 461 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,120 I'm out of it. 462 00:31:57,300 --> 00:32:01,440 The first thing that broke them apart was Michael and Susan saying they wanted to 463 00:32:01,441 --> 00:32:03,420 take over the business, and Patrick said no. 464 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:10,880 My family became estranged from me. 465 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,080 We became apart. 466 00:32:13,340 --> 00:32:15,360 We didn't speak for long, for years. 467 00:32:17,660 --> 00:32:20,160 I'm not going to go into stuff like that. 468 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,800 It was just the way... 469 00:32:21,801 --> 00:32:25,910 The only thing I would say is it was what he and his mother 470 00:32:26,010 --> 00:32:29,080 believed at the time, and what I believed was different. 471 00:32:30,940 --> 00:32:34,634 It's really sad to me to think that, you know, 472 00:32:34,635 --> 00:32:38,580 like, that's his only remaining son, and... 473 00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:44,580 It's just a shame, like, to see something so horrible happen to a family member, 474 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,040 and then you can't get it together with the one you have left. 475 00:32:47,940 --> 00:32:49,160 Life's too short for that. 476 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,560 No, we haven't communicated that much. 477 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,140 You know, we have our differences. 478 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,000 But he's my son, and he always will be my son. 479 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,020 And I will always be there if he needs me. 480 00:33:06,220 --> 00:33:09,160 And, uh... It's all that needs to be said. 481 00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:34,630 9-1-1 emergency. 482 00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:36,210 What are you reporting? 483 00:33:37,030 --> 00:33:37,170 Hi. 484 00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:40,358 Uh, I'm out here behind the dump, and I found 485 00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:42,931 what looks like part of a shooting skull. 486 00:33:44,130 --> 00:33:45,770 And what's the location? 487 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:47,870 There's no paved roads around here. 488 00:33:52,290 --> 00:33:59,890 We continued the investigation on Tuesday and Wednesday, excavating the site. 489 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,927 And through the use of dental records, we're able to 490 00:34:03,928 --> 00:34:08,930 identify the adult victims as Summer and Joseph McStay. 491 00:34:09,930 --> 00:34:17,490 We believe the other two sets of remains are that of the boys, their sons. 492 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:26,640 Uh, good morning. 493 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,130 It's not really the, uh... 494 00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:34,150 The, uh... 495 00:34:36,570 --> 00:34:37,570 Outcome 496 00:34:45,670 --> 00:34:46,770 we were looking for. 497 00:34:48,590 --> 00:34:49,590 But, um... 498 00:34:51,850 --> 00:34:55,590 It gives us courage to know that 499 00:34:59,940 --> 00:35:00,940 they're together. 500 00:35:04,295 --> 00:35:05,650 And they're in a better place. 501 00:35:10,090 --> 00:35:14,330 The more than three-year disappearance of the McStay family captured national 502 00:35:14,331 --> 00:35:18,317 headlines and a vast array of theories about their fate before 503 00:35:18,318 --> 00:35:21,390 their bodies were found in shallow graves near Victorville. 504 00:35:23,070 --> 00:35:24,370 I was numb. 505 00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:26,770 You know, I was like... 506 00:35:27,390 --> 00:35:29,170 Had I expected it? 507 00:35:29,350 --> 00:35:30,350 Yes. 508 00:35:30,430 --> 00:35:32,390 Um... I fully expected it. 509 00:35:33,070 --> 00:35:34,070 Because... 510 00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:37,570 There's... Me and the entire family... 511 00:35:39,110 --> 00:35:39,530 Knew... 512 00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:42,390 That something had happened... 513 00:35:42,910 --> 00:35:44,550 To the, to the family. 514 00:35:44,770 --> 00:35:46,790 Because... It's not Joseph. 515 00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:48,070 It's not Summer. 516 00:35:48,570 --> 00:35:51,490 It's not this... They... They would not have left... 517 00:35:52,490 --> 00:35:57,351 For... For... You know... Uh... Four years. 518 00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:59,891 Especially... Three and a half years. 519 00:36:00,050 --> 00:36:01,130 They wouldn't have done it. 520 00:36:01,230 --> 00:36:03,131 It just... Yeah. 521 00:36:03,450 --> 00:36:04,450 So... 522 00:36:04,690 --> 00:36:05,951 Uh... I... 523 00:36:07,410 --> 00:36:08,490 I was just numb. 524 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,440 I can't honestly tell you how I felt. 525 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:29,640 I just... 526 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:35,120 Uh... I think... The only way I can really describe it at that point is I was lost. 527 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,480 I just felt lost. 528 00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:42,540 I ask for God's help all the time. 529 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:46,340 You know... Help me make it through another day, Lord. 530 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,920 You know... Uh... Help me keep my sanity. 531 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:52,780 You know? 532 00:36:52,781 --> 00:36:56,060 You didn't go to the memorial service. 533 00:36:56,420 --> 00:36:59,820 No, I... I was asked not to come. 534 00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:02,760 I'm not going any farther with it. 535 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,900 I... Yeah, I will go farther. 536 00:37:07,901 --> 00:37:09,660 I knew one thing. 537 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,260 I wasn't raised that way. 538 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,900 And I would never do that, no matter what. 539 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,120 And for someone to do that to me was... 540 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,760 Let's just say I wouldn't do it. 541 00:37:37,540 --> 00:37:38,880 My name is Ryan Smith. 542 00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:41,820 I'm a lieutenant with the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department. 543 00:37:49,260 --> 00:37:54,120 As soon as they were identified as the McStay family, we started coordinating 544 00:37:54,121 --> 00:37:59,680 with San Diego, and we just transferred everything they had, everything they did, 545 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,500 from the second they were reported missing. 546 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,720 Someone put up a new memorial. 547 00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:09,620 Yeah, that's interesting. 548 00:38:10,145 --> 00:38:11,145 That's new. 549 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,960 That's probably within the past... 550 00:38:14,980 --> 00:38:16,300 couple months, actually. 551 00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:18,531 When was the last time you were up here? 552 00:38:18,555 --> 00:38:20,620 It was within a year I've been up here. 553 00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:23,541 So... I don't really know. 554 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,060 This shoe is interesting. 555 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,400 So the two graves were right here? 556 00:38:44,420 --> 00:38:45,560 This is in the middle. 557 00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:46,940 The graves are actually... 558 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,180 One's over there and the other is right there. 559 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,540 The family went missing February 4th, 2010. 560 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,380 The graves were found in November, 2013. 561 00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:59,280 So it's three years, nine months. 562 00:38:59,780 --> 00:39:01,900 And that entire time, where were they? 563 00:39:03,140 --> 00:39:04,500 Right here, in the desert. 564 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,780 So now we knew where they were. 565 00:39:12,140 --> 00:39:13,860 But now you have to find out who did it? 566 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:14,500 Right. 567 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,980 Yeah, now the real work begins. 568 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,640 Our sergeant told us, take everything that you've heard and throw it out the window. 569 00:39:22,780 --> 00:39:28,300 We want you to look specifically at these cases and start writing suspect lists, 570 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,900 start identifying people that we need to interview. 571 00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:44,529 So you have one grave down over in that area, 572 00:39:44,530 --> 00:39:47,571 and the second grave is kind of right behind me. 573 00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:52,630 And then the cell phone tower is actually up on the mountain right there, 574 00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:55,510 and that's the cell phone tower that Chase pinged off of. 575 00:39:58,890 --> 00:40:02,343 You look on the 6th, and he's pinging at that 576 00:40:02,344 --> 00:40:06,231 Stoddard Wells tower, right at the graves. 577 00:40:06,330 --> 00:40:08,630 It kind of puts you on your heels a little bit. 578 00:40:09,710 --> 00:40:11,370 That's pretty damning evidence. 579 00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:14,382 Yeah, that's, that's, there's no reason, I mean you 580 00:40:14,383 --> 00:40:17,570 can look around and there's no reason to be over here. 581 00:40:17,571 --> 00:40:24,131 There's no stores, there's no people, there's no houses, there's nothing over here. 582 00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:26,070 There's nothing over here. 583 00:40:32,910 --> 00:40:37,600 So they took the Azuzu Trooper from the impound lot, and they process it. 584 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,820 So we do get a DNA hit on Joseph, not surprisingly, as a major contributor, 585 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,320 because he's the one who drove it. 586 00:40:46,321 --> 00:40:50,860 I believe Summer's DNA was in there as a trace, and then so was Charles Merritt's, 587 00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:53,660 as a trace contributor, on the driver's side. 588 00:41:06,910 --> 00:41:11,170 Charles Merritt is a suspect, you could not cross him off as an alibi. 589 00:41:11,171 --> 00:41:15,250 You could not cross him off as not having a motive, you know, or an opportunity. 590 00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:18,630 His initial statement, I was home that night. 591 00:41:19,210 --> 00:41:24,590 I didn't go anywhere, but the phone records actually don't support that. 592 00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:28,210 Joseph was operating his business out of QuickBooks. 593 00:41:28,690 --> 00:41:31,938 And around the first of February became evidence that 594 00:41:31,939 --> 00:41:35,750 someone else had access to it because the activity changed. 595 00:41:38,170 --> 00:41:44,610 If Joseph finds out that Chase had indeed forged a check and cashed it, I think that 596 00:41:44,611 --> 00:41:47,990 certainly would be significant enough to sever that relationship. 597 00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:50,910 And he had no other source of income. 598 00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:52,510 That was desperation. 599 00:41:53,970 --> 00:42:00,830 When you look at the phones, with the car, with the financial fraud, with his 600 00:42:00,831 --> 00:42:05,056 behavior, when you look at just all of these 601 00:42:05,057 --> 00:42:08,990 things, that's when you realize, this is our guy. 602 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,930 This is, this is who did it. 603 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,825 On Wednesday, San Bernardino County Sheriff's 604 00:42:17,826 --> 00:42:19,810 deputies hauled Chase Merritt off to jail. 605 00:42:19,811 --> 00:42:23,370 He's accused of killing the family, including two young children in their home. 606 00:42:23,490 --> 00:42:27,770 This morning, we filed four counts of murder on the defendant, Charles Ray 607 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:36,650 Merritt, for the murder of Joseph McStay, his wife, Summer, and their children, 608 00:42:37,070 --> 00:42:44,150 Gianni and Joseph Jr. We filed the special circumstance of multiple murders, 609 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,350 what makes them eligible for the death penalty. 610 00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:55,560 It was a vindication that somebody had been arrested. 611 00:42:56,740 --> 00:42:59,640 Of course, it just brought up more questions than answers, really. 612 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,160 It's like, okay, what was it? 613 00:43:01,220 --> 00:43:02,700 What was the final piece of evidence? 614 00:43:04,180 --> 00:43:08,340 We really could not wait for the trial to come out just to hear what they had on him. 615 00:43:08,341 --> 00:43:11,640 And because it worried us, it was like, do they have enough? 616 00:43:11,860 --> 00:43:13,340 You know, what is it that they have? 617 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,060 Is it going to be enough to convict? 618 00:43:16,180 --> 00:43:17,440 How are you going to win this? 619 00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:19,500 They put you at the crime scene. 620 00:43:20,220 --> 00:43:21,900 They put you at the grave site. 621 00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:23,600 They put you at the home. 622 00:43:25,780 --> 00:43:27,100 Like, no, they didn't. 623 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,560 Chase, look, they've got the evidence. 624 00:43:31,561 --> 00:43:34,020 Well, they didn't. 625 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,360 They lied. 626 00:43:35,740 --> 00:43:37,800 They falsified documents. 627 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:46,320 They manipulated this evidence to look impressive, unless you really looked. 628 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,651 So we got a call from the prosecutors before 629 00:43:57,652 --> 00:44:00,580 trial started, saying that there was a witness. 630 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,920 Essentially what she was saying was someone else was the killer. 631 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,280 Well, I think you guys are the wrong man. 632 00:44:06,780 --> 00:44:08,480 I continued suspecting him. 633 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:09,600 I mean, I still do. 634 00:44:09,740 --> 00:44:11,280 This is my best friend of ten years. 635 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,520 I would not make this up. 636 00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:14,580 I need to look in the shower for DNA. 637 00:44:15,020 --> 00:44:18,000 You do look at yourself and go, oh, shit, right? 638 00:44:18,460 --> 00:44:21,600 What, what, what, what can happen next? 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