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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,655 --> 00:00:06,896 THOMAS: If we were to come in and dig again, 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,310 would we get any response? 3 00:00:08,413 --> 00:00:09,793 Where you dig makes a difference. 4 00:00:10,586 --> 00:00:12,517 -[rattling] -[engine stops] 5 00:00:12,620 --> 00:00:13,965 It's got a dead battery. 6 00:00:14,068 --> 00:00:16,551 ERIK: What the actual hell is this? 7 00:00:16,655 --> 00:00:18,310 -You got to get those people out of there. -Okay. 8 00:00:18,413 --> 00:00:20,620 BRYANT: There was a spike at 3400. 9 00:00:20,724 --> 00:00:22,517 Everybody out of here, now. 10 00:00:25,068 --> 00:00:27,793 Erik, are you doing something at 1.6? 11 00:00:27,896 --> 00:00:29,758 I'm not broadcasting. 12 00:00:29,862 --> 00:00:30,965 TRAVIS: That's a communication signal or something. 13 00:00:31,068 --> 00:00:33,482 This is out of the carriage house. 14 00:00:33,586 --> 00:00:34,793 BRYANT: What the hell is that? 15 00:00:34,896 --> 00:00:36,379 You captured a UAP on camera. 16 00:00:38,448 --> 00:00:41,655 NARRATOR: There is a ranch in Northern Utah. 17 00:00:41,758 --> 00:00:44,413 It is considered the epicenter 18 00:00:44,517 --> 00:00:49,000 of the strangest and most disturbing phenomena on Earth: 19 00:00:49,103 --> 00:00:51,448 animal mutilations, 20 00:00:51,551 --> 00:00:53,931 bizarre UFO sightings 21 00:00:54,034 --> 00:00:59,068 and unusual energies that have proven harmful to humans. 22 00:00:59,172 --> 00:01:01,620 For 20 years, the federal government 23 00:01:01,724 --> 00:01:04,931 tried to find answers and failed. 24 00:01:05,034 --> 00:01:08,724 Now a new team of dedicated scientists, 25 00:01:08,827 --> 00:01:12,620 researchers and experts has taken over. 26 00:01:12,724 --> 00:01:16,827 They are determined to solve the mystery and reveal... 27 00:01:19,965 --> 00:01:22,689 ...The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch. 28 00:01:30,482 --> 00:01:32,551 How's it going, Chris? 29 00:01:32,655 --> 00:01:34,344 -Hey, Kaleb. How's it going? -Good, good. 30 00:01:34,448 --> 00:01:35,517 TRAVIS: To help us with our ongoing investigation 31 00:01:35,620 --> 00:01:37,310 of Skinwalker Ranch, 32 00:01:37,413 --> 00:01:39,862 we've been trying to engage as many people as possible 33 00:01:39,965 --> 00:01:41,965 who took part in the previous operations 34 00:01:42,068 --> 00:01:43,862 over the last two decades. 35 00:01:43,965 --> 00:01:45,551 What's it like coming back? 36 00:01:45,655 --> 00:01:47,379 It's pretty surreal, actually, you know. 37 00:01:47,482 --> 00:01:49,758 It's kind of like being back home a little bit, you know. 38 00:01:51,310 --> 00:01:53,965 TRAVIS: Chris Bartel is a former military officer 39 00:01:54,068 --> 00:01:56,137 who was contracted by Robert Bigelow 40 00:01:56,241 --> 00:01:58,206 and the Defense Intelligence Agency 41 00:01:58,310 --> 00:01:59,689 when they were investigating Skinwalker Ranch 42 00:01:59,793 --> 00:02:01,448 several years ago. 43 00:02:01,551 --> 00:02:03,379 We used to have trouble getting guys like him 44 00:02:03,482 --> 00:02:06,000 to share anything about what they've seen out here. 45 00:02:06,103 --> 00:02:08,551 Well, it's an "it" that's in control. 46 00:02:10,206 --> 00:02:12,103 TRAVIS: But after last week's visit by another former Bigelow employee, 47 00:02:12,206 --> 00:02:14,137 Colonel John Alexander, 48 00:02:14,241 --> 00:02:16,793 and the federal government's report last year 49 00:02:16,896 --> 00:02:18,793 acknowledging the existence of UAPs, 50 00:02:18,896 --> 00:02:21,448 it's like the floodgates have finally opened up. 51 00:02:22,482 --> 00:02:25,103 I know, a couple years ago, I was worried about, you know, 52 00:02:25,206 --> 00:02:27,034 maybe possibly losing a clearance talking about 53 00:02:27,137 --> 00:02:28,620 some of the experiences I had here on the property. 54 00:02:28,724 --> 00:02:30,551 Losing a clearance as far as? 55 00:02:30,655 --> 00:02:32,241 -Like a security clearance? -Right, it was a concern 56 00:02:32,344 --> 00:02:33,241 'cause, you know, I'm still active 57 00:02:33,344 --> 00:02:34,448 in the federal department, 58 00:02:34,551 --> 00:02:35,965 I'm still operating and, uh, 59 00:02:36,068 --> 00:02:38,448 now it's more of a mainstream topic, it seems like. 60 00:02:39,482 --> 00:02:41,000 I was a BAASS Security Investigator 61 00:02:41,103 --> 00:02:42,931 for Bigelow Aerospace for Skinwalker Ranch 62 00:02:43,034 --> 00:02:46,103 from the years 2010 to 2016. 63 00:02:46,206 --> 00:02:48,241 BAASS stands for Bigelow Aerospace 64 00:02:48,344 --> 00:02:49,827 Advanced Space Studies. 65 00:02:49,931 --> 00:02:53,793 It was the organization to study UFO phenomena. 66 00:02:53,896 --> 00:02:57,379 This is also during the time of the federal contract, AAWSAP. 67 00:02:57,482 --> 00:02:59,551 AAWSAP stands for Advanced Aerospace 68 00:02:59,655 --> 00:03:02,275 Weapon Systems Applications Program. 69 00:03:02,379 --> 00:03:04,068 I was one of the lead members out here. 70 00:03:04,172 --> 00:03:07,206 I spent lots of time exploring, documenting data 71 00:03:07,310 --> 00:03:09,068 and also safekeeping and protecting the property. 72 00:03:09,172 --> 00:03:11,344 I have a lot of experiences out here. 73 00:03:11,448 --> 00:03:13,517 You know, I lived and breathed this property for six years. 74 00:03:13,620 --> 00:03:15,000 I would love to show you guys 75 00:03:15,103 --> 00:03:17,413 some of the things that I went through 76 00:03:17,517 --> 00:03:19,068 and important aspects of the property. 77 00:03:19,172 --> 00:03:20,689 THOMAS: Well, I'm eager to do that. 78 00:03:20,793 --> 00:03:22,689 I think we throw you in the UTV right here, 79 00:03:22,793 --> 00:03:25,172 and let's start across, because I-I want to hear 80 00:03:25,275 --> 00:03:26,620 -everything that happened. -That sounds, that sounds good. 81 00:03:26,724 --> 00:03:27,931 -Okay. -I appreciate it. 82 00:03:28,034 --> 00:03:30,758 THOMAS: We have this 20-year gap 83 00:03:30,862 --> 00:03:32,827 where Mr. Bigelow owned the ranch 84 00:03:32,931 --> 00:03:35,103 for which we know very little. 85 00:03:35,206 --> 00:03:37,344 I think somebody that spent six years here, 86 00:03:37,448 --> 00:03:39,344 and spent a lot of time during that six years, 87 00:03:39,448 --> 00:03:43,172 is critical and could be crucial to helping us solve 88 00:03:43,275 --> 00:03:45,103 some of the mysteries that are here on the ranch. 89 00:03:45,206 --> 00:03:46,793 CHRIS: Yeah. Right here. 90 00:03:46,896 --> 00:03:48,344 This is the spot. 91 00:03:48,448 --> 00:03:49,758 Let's park here, then. 92 00:03:54,206 --> 00:03:57,655 I find it interesting that you, uh, stop us here. 93 00:03:57,758 --> 00:04:00,758 This is by a place we call the triangle. 94 00:04:01,862 --> 00:04:03,586 Been a place we've done a lot of experiments 95 00:04:03,689 --> 00:04:05,862 and research and had a lot of interesting data. 96 00:04:05,965 --> 00:04:08,586 So, I'm curious, tell me about what you experienced here. 97 00:04:08,689 --> 00:04:12,896 So, October of 2010, we had a pretty good routine 98 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,586 where one guy would do a normal run 99 00:04:14,689 --> 00:04:17,413 through the property to get kind of eyes on what's going on. 100 00:04:17,517 --> 00:04:19,758 That day, the other officer came back, 101 00:04:19,862 --> 00:04:21,896 and he was like, "Hey, I found some big prints 102 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:22,965 on top of the mesa." 103 00:04:24,310 --> 00:04:26,241 And I'm like, "Okay, let's go take a look at them." 104 00:04:26,344 --> 00:04:28,413 We get to the top of here, and we find these gi-- 105 00:04:28,517 --> 00:04:30,965 these pretty good-sized canine prints. 106 00:04:32,275 --> 00:04:34,413 I have photos of those, if you'd like to see them. 107 00:04:34,517 --> 00:04:36,137 -Yeah, I'd love to see those. -CHRIS: Sure. 108 00:04:36,241 --> 00:04:37,689 Here. Take a look at this. You can see here... 109 00:04:37,793 --> 00:04:39,310 Look at those, look how deep those go down. 110 00:04:41,862 --> 00:04:43,965 -KALEB: Look at that. -THOMAS: Oh, my gosh. 111 00:04:44,068 --> 00:04:46,551 So, that's about three feet between step? 112 00:04:46,655 --> 00:04:48,620 CHRIS: Mm-hmm. 113 00:04:48,724 --> 00:04:51,275 And then, we had a couple labs with us. 114 00:04:51,379 --> 00:04:54,517 You can see here in the top corner, the labs' prints. 115 00:04:54,620 --> 00:04:56,724 KALEB: That thing's like four times the size of those. 116 00:04:56,827 --> 00:04:57,896 That's a very big canine. 117 00:04:58,965 --> 00:05:00,620 KALEB: Seeing this picture, 118 00:05:00,724 --> 00:05:03,862 you could tell by both the size and the stride 119 00:05:03,965 --> 00:05:06,206 that we're talking about a very large animal. 120 00:05:06,310 --> 00:05:08,724 It makes me think about the legend of the skinwalker. 121 00:05:10,241 --> 00:05:11,896 The legend of the skinwalker is 122 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,034 that it's an entity that can shape-shift. 123 00:05:14,137 --> 00:05:18,655 Often, the lore is having it go from a wolf to a man. 124 00:05:18,758 --> 00:05:21,793 For whatever reason, this piece of ground 125 00:05:21,896 --> 00:05:25,000 was cursed with the skinwalker. 126 00:05:26,103 --> 00:05:27,965 I was here, the other officer was right there, 127 00:05:28,068 --> 00:05:29,827 and the dogs were kind of in between us. 128 00:05:29,931 --> 00:05:33,482 And the other officer says, "Chris, stop. I hear something." 129 00:05:33,586 --> 00:05:36,310 And I'll-I'll never forget this, because it has been replaying 130 00:05:36,413 --> 00:05:38,620 in my mind forever since this day. 131 00:05:38,724 --> 00:05:40,689 Out of that ditch, 132 00:05:40,793 --> 00:05:45,000 I hear a God-awful, guttural, howl growl. 133 00:05:46,758 --> 00:05:49,068 And I was, like, frozen for a second. 134 00:05:49,172 --> 00:05:51,793 So was the other officer and the dogs were all alerting. 135 00:05:51,896 --> 00:05:54,965 The animal jumps out of the ravine 136 00:05:55,068 --> 00:05:58,241 over the berm and travels west. 137 00:05:58,344 --> 00:06:01,206 This thing was probably the size of a donkey, black. 138 00:06:01,310 --> 00:06:03,689 Instinctively, the dogs chase after it. 139 00:06:03,793 --> 00:06:04,862 I run after the dogs. 140 00:06:04,965 --> 00:06:06,793 We get around that corner there. 141 00:06:06,896 --> 00:06:08,379 It's-it's gone. 142 00:06:08,482 --> 00:06:09,551 THOMAS: Wow. 143 00:06:11,586 --> 00:06:13,172 I can understand why Chris was hesitant to share 144 00:06:13,275 --> 00:06:15,034 some of these stories. 145 00:06:15,137 --> 00:06:17,034 If I had heard this on day one of the ranch, 146 00:06:17,137 --> 00:06:18,724 I would have dismissed Chris. 147 00:06:18,827 --> 00:06:22,551 But after spending five years here on the ranch, uh... 148 00:06:22,655 --> 00:06:24,862 I-I find myself believing his story. 149 00:06:24,965 --> 00:06:27,344 Did you come back and look for tracks the next day, I imagine? 150 00:06:27,448 --> 00:06:28,689 CHRIS: The next day we came back. 151 00:06:28,793 --> 00:06:30,034 We followed the ditch. 152 00:06:30,137 --> 00:06:31,724 We really didn't find any tracks. 153 00:06:31,827 --> 00:06:34,034 But there was an area I found on this mesa slope, 154 00:06:34,137 --> 00:06:36,793 and it led to this open cavity. 155 00:06:36,896 --> 00:06:38,034 Uh, it looked like a cave. 156 00:06:39,793 --> 00:06:41,137 So, I jumped down into it. 157 00:06:41,241 --> 00:06:42,551 I look around, and it's a, 158 00:06:42,655 --> 00:06:44,724 uh, a decent-size open cavity, 159 00:06:44,827 --> 00:06:46,517 but inside the cavern, I pulled out 160 00:06:46,620 --> 00:06:48,931 two old canine traps. 161 00:06:50,655 --> 00:06:52,275 So, anytime somebody says the word "cave" 162 00:06:52,379 --> 00:06:53,724 or "cavern" here, 163 00:06:53,827 --> 00:06:55,034 -it catches our attention. -Right. 164 00:06:55,137 --> 00:06:56,862 -You think it's still there? -Yeah. 165 00:06:56,965 --> 00:06:58,862 -You mind taking us there to it? -Absolutely, let's go. 166 00:06:58,965 --> 00:07:00,413 All right. 167 00:07:06,241 --> 00:07:08,344 TRAVIS: I find it interesting that this DJ said 168 00:07:08,448 --> 00:07:10,931 they were picking up some kind of weird signal. 169 00:07:11,034 --> 00:07:12,448 Yeah, that's the part that got my attention. 170 00:07:12,551 --> 00:07:14,344 You know, normally when you think about a radio station, 171 00:07:14,448 --> 00:07:18,103 you think of them broadcasting but not receiving anything, 172 00:07:18,206 --> 00:07:19,793 so I'm surprised that they're vigilant 173 00:07:19,896 --> 00:07:21,206 to any incoming signals. 174 00:07:22,241 --> 00:07:24,172 Well, I can't wait to hear what they say. 175 00:07:26,551 --> 00:07:29,344 Ranch caretakers Tom Lewis and Kandus Linde 176 00:07:29,448 --> 00:07:31,931 let me and Erik know that a local radio station nearby 177 00:07:32,034 --> 00:07:33,758 reached out to them about 178 00:07:33,862 --> 00:07:35,551 a really strange frequency interference 179 00:07:35,655 --> 00:07:38,620 that's been jamming their system and it sounds 180 00:07:38,724 --> 00:07:41,758 just like what we experienced last week on Skinwalker Ranch. 181 00:07:41,862 --> 00:07:43,896 Hey! hey, hey, hey, hey, it's here. 182 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,000 We've got that 1.6 thing. 183 00:07:47,103 --> 00:07:49,206 During a lot of the experiments we've done 184 00:07:49,310 --> 00:07:52,689 to stimulate different phenomena, including UAPs, 185 00:07:52,793 --> 00:07:56,034 Erik has detected a huge radio frequency energy spike 186 00:07:56,137 --> 00:07:59,172 of 1.6 gigahertz on the spectrum analyzer. 187 00:07:59,275 --> 00:08:02,137 And last week, we detected it after launching a rocket 188 00:08:02,241 --> 00:08:03,517 out by Homestead Two. 189 00:08:03,620 --> 00:08:06,448 -[radio static] -1.60000. 190 00:08:06,551 --> 00:08:10,517 But this time a mysterious sound came through with it. 191 00:08:10,620 --> 00:08:12,827 -You want to try and listen to it? -ERIK: Yeah. 192 00:08:12,931 --> 00:08:15,206 [radio static, faint squealing] 193 00:08:18,275 --> 00:08:21,862 I swear that sounds like a communication signal. 194 00:08:23,931 --> 00:08:25,862 So, here we are. 195 00:08:25,965 --> 00:08:28,068 So, when we heard that a potentially similar signal 196 00:08:28,172 --> 00:08:29,517 was occurring at a radio station 197 00:08:29,620 --> 00:08:31,758 ten miles away in Roosevelt, 198 00:08:31,862 --> 00:08:34,172 we definitely wanted to meet with the station manager 199 00:08:34,275 --> 00:08:36,827 and DJ, Jenn Rook. 200 00:08:36,931 --> 00:08:38,827 -Hi! -Hey, I'm Travis. 201 00:08:38,931 --> 00:08:40,172 -Hi, I'm Jenn. -Nice to meet you, Jenn. 202 00:08:40,275 --> 00:08:41,896 You, too. 203 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,827 We wanted to see if it could be related 204 00:08:43,931 --> 00:08:45,344 to the strange communication signal 205 00:08:45,448 --> 00:08:47,172 we've detected on Skinwalker Ranch. 206 00:08:47,275 --> 00:08:50,517 So, we hear you've been having some weird signals 207 00:08:50,620 --> 00:08:51,827 or interference with your radio station. 208 00:08:51,931 --> 00:08:53,862 Some interference for sure 209 00:08:53,965 --> 00:08:56,413 and just some other weird anomalies that happen. 210 00:08:58,448 --> 00:09:00,689 You're talking about interferences, is it keeping you 211 00:09:00,793 --> 00:09:03,103 from being able to operate at certain times, or...? 212 00:09:03,206 --> 00:09:05,931 -I livestream online, and it keeps it from operating. -TRAVIS: Really? 213 00:09:06,034 --> 00:09:08,413 Like, the online stream was just absolute fuzz. 214 00:09:08,517 --> 00:09:11,241 It was just cutting out everything. 215 00:09:11,344 --> 00:09:13,241 It was just such an interruption. 216 00:09:13,344 --> 00:09:16,620 -You couldn't hear the radio station online. -Wow. 217 00:09:16,724 --> 00:09:20,172 So, if I was listening to your station, 218 00:09:20,275 --> 00:09:24,068 and I hear, uh, some kind of a problem, 219 00:09:24,172 --> 00:09:25,896 -JENN: Mm-hmm. -I would expect to hear what? 220 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,931 Static? Strange tones? 221 00:09:28,034 --> 00:09:29,896 Signals that don't belong in your signal stream? 222 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,586 What would I hear? 223 00:09:31,689 --> 00:09:34,724 Uh, I mean, you could probably hear any of that. 224 00:09:34,827 --> 00:09:37,551 -Wow. -You know, we've heard some weird stuff, 225 00:09:37,655 --> 00:09:40,068 and we see weird signals at the ranch 226 00:09:40,172 --> 00:09:42,620 that we can't figure out where they're coming from, 227 00:09:42,724 --> 00:09:44,896 and we've found this one that seems to be repeating 228 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,896 around here all the time, near 1.6 gigahertz. 229 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,137 Travis, can you bring that up and play it? 230 00:09:50,241 --> 00:09:52,379 Yeah. I believe it's this one right here. 231 00:09:52,482 --> 00:09:53,724 Mm-hmm. 232 00:09:53,827 --> 00:09:55,310 [static, squealing] 233 00:09:58,103 --> 00:10:01,620 You know, I've heard something similar to this 234 00:10:01,724 --> 00:10:03,724 along with all of the fuzz that I get 235 00:10:03,827 --> 00:10:05,000 that I know is interference. 236 00:10:06,517 --> 00:10:07,724 -Really? -JENN: Yeah. 237 00:10:07,827 --> 00:10:09,275 There's something not right, 238 00:10:09,379 --> 00:10:12,172 and I've had people look at it and try to fix it, 239 00:10:12,275 --> 00:10:15,758 -but it's a signal that is not supposed to be there. -Wow. 240 00:10:15,862 --> 00:10:18,172 TRAVIS: After we verified that Jenn believed that 241 00:10:18,275 --> 00:10:21,241 the 1.6 gigahertz communication signal from the ranch 242 00:10:21,344 --> 00:10:23,517 was very similar to the one 243 00:10:23,620 --> 00:10:25,586 that's been coming through the radio station, 244 00:10:25,689 --> 00:10:27,413 it made both Erik and I think that 245 00:10:27,517 --> 00:10:30,241 maybe we could use it to try to communicate back 246 00:10:30,344 --> 00:10:32,482 to whoever sent it in the first place. 247 00:10:32,586 --> 00:10:36,620 Uh, we couldn't, by any chance, talk you into maybe broadcasting 248 00:10:36,724 --> 00:10:38,758 this strange signal that we've picked up? 249 00:10:38,862 --> 00:10:40,034 -Uh... -And see if we'll detect something 250 00:10:40,137 --> 00:10:42,000 with our instruments when you do. 251 00:10:42,103 --> 00:10:44,931 Are we poking a bear here, or...? 252 00:10:45,034 --> 00:10:47,206 -[laughs] -Well-well, the expression that I use is 253 00:10:47,310 --> 00:10:49,758 one my grandmother taught me and it's "poking the hornets' nest." 254 00:10:49,862 --> 00:10:51,068 -And-and so... -Okay, let's do it. Let's poke that hornets' nest. 255 00:10:51,172 --> 00:10:52,517 Let's see if any hornets fly out, right? 256 00:10:52,620 --> 00:10:53,965 All right, let's do it. 257 00:10:59,448 --> 00:11:01,034 So, we have some equipment outside, in the car, 258 00:11:02,034 --> 00:11:03,241 we'll run out,give us we'll get it set up, 259 00:11:03,344 --> 00:11:04,758 -and running. -Okay. Yeah, let's do it. 260 00:11:04,862 --> 00:11:06,275 So we'll got set up the equipment. 261 00:11:06,379 --> 00:11:07,724 I'll be right back and tell you when we're ready. 262 00:11:07,827 --> 00:11:08,448 -All right, sounds good. -All right. Thank you. 263 00:11:08,551 --> 00:11:10,068 After Jenn Rook, 264 00:11:10,172 --> 00:11:12,413 the station manager at Jack FM, 265 00:11:12,517 --> 00:11:15,758 told us that the 1.6 gigahertz communication signal 266 00:11:15,862 --> 00:11:17,344 that we've detected on Skinwalker Ranch 267 00:11:17,448 --> 00:11:19,896 sounded similar to what's been interfering 268 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,241 with her station's broadcasts, 269 00:11:22,344 --> 00:11:24,689 we convinced her to let us run an experiment. 270 00:11:24,793 --> 00:11:26,620 I'm going to go ahead and start the Jeep 271 00:11:26,724 --> 00:11:29,103 -and tune in to the radio station. -Perfect. 272 00:11:29,206 --> 00:11:32,482 TARVIS: The idea was to play the 1.6 gigahertz signal 273 00:11:32,586 --> 00:11:33,931 over her airwaves... 274 00:11:34,034 --> 00:11:36,689 All right. I got the radio station up. 275 00:11:36,793 --> 00:11:38,758 ...while Erik and I set up an antenna 276 00:11:38,862 --> 00:11:41,241 with our spectrum analyzer in the parking lot 277 00:11:41,344 --> 00:11:43,586 so we could monitor the broadcast 278 00:11:43,689 --> 00:11:46,275 for anything strange that might happen in response. 279 00:11:46,379 --> 00:11:48,379 All right, I think that's good right there. 280 00:11:48,482 --> 00:11:50,379 All right. 281 00:11:50,482 --> 00:11:53,413 I'm interested in watching the RF spectrum 282 00:11:53,517 --> 00:11:55,137 through our spectrum analyzer. 283 00:11:55,241 --> 00:11:56,413 I got really high hopes that we're going to see 284 00:11:56,517 --> 00:11:57,827 something unusual. 285 00:11:57,931 --> 00:11:59,448 So, I'm-a go in and tell her we're ready. 286 00:11:59,551 --> 00:12:01,310 All right. 287 00:12:01,413 --> 00:12:03,310 Hey, Jenn. Yeah, we've got our equipment set up 288 00:12:03,413 --> 00:12:05,310 in the parking lot, so whenever you're okay 289 00:12:05,413 --> 00:12:06,965 to broadcast the signal, we're watching. 290 00:12:07,068 --> 00:12:09,965 -All right. Ready. -All right. Cool. Thanks. 291 00:12:13,241 --> 00:12:15,793 All right, Erik. She's about to broadcast it. 292 00:12:15,896 --> 00:12:17,931 -All right. -JENN: Hey there, everybody. 293 00:12:18,034 --> 00:12:19,965 Just a little interruption in the music right now. 294 00:12:20,068 --> 00:12:22,310 We're doing a few tests here at the studios, 295 00:12:22,413 --> 00:12:23,482 and, uh, you know what? 296 00:12:23,586 --> 00:12:25,655 I'm going to play something here. 297 00:12:25,758 --> 00:12:28,137 And if you've heard this, you can always give me a call 298 00:12:28,241 --> 00:12:29,586 here at the studios 299 00:12:29,689 --> 00:12:31,000 [over radio]: and let me know. 300 00:12:31,103 --> 00:12:32,896 This is just a test, everybody. 301 00:12:34,724 --> 00:12:36,724 [static, crackling] 302 00:12:40,620 --> 00:12:43,862 [frequency crackling] 303 00:12:43,965 --> 00:12:45,896 ♪ 304 00:12:47,724 --> 00:12:49,965 There it is. 305 00:12:50,068 --> 00:12:53,896 Wow. It really changed the waveform big time. 306 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,655 Look at how the waveforms are reacting to it there. 307 00:12:56,758 --> 00:12:58,965 You see that? Watch right here. 308 00:13:01,310 --> 00:13:04,965 When a FM radio station broadcasts music or anything 309 00:13:05,068 --> 00:13:07,724 over the airwaves, the frequency always has 310 00:13:07,827 --> 00:13:10,551 a constant and uniform pattern. 311 00:13:10,655 --> 00:13:12,413 You shouldn't see any deviation in it 312 00:13:12,517 --> 00:13:14,379 no matter what the sound is. 313 00:13:14,482 --> 00:13:17,206 But as soon as Jenn started broadcasting the sound 314 00:13:17,310 --> 00:13:19,379 from our 1.6 gigahertz signal, 315 00:13:19,482 --> 00:13:21,586 the station's frequency began showing strange, 316 00:13:21,689 --> 00:13:23,068 sporadic spikes. 317 00:13:23,172 --> 00:13:24,862 Now, that shouldn't be possible. 318 00:13:24,965 --> 00:13:26,862 So, it really made us wonder 319 00:13:26,965 --> 00:13:29,137 if our experiment might stimulate 320 00:13:29,241 --> 00:13:31,793 something strange out here in the Basin community. 321 00:13:31,896 --> 00:13:33,896 And, if so, would it be anything 322 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,413 like the phenomena we've seen on Skinwalker Ranch? 323 00:13:39,137 --> 00:13:41,206 This has just been a test, everybody. 324 00:13:41,310 --> 00:13:43,206 Thanks for listening. I'll put you back to the music now. 325 00:13:43,310 --> 00:13:45,413 I'm Jenn Rook. 326 00:13:46,620 --> 00:13:48,172 All right, well, I say we go tell her what we saw. 327 00:13:48,275 --> 00:13:49,551 Yeah. Let's go follow up. 328 00:13:50,758 --> 00:13:52,862 I wonder what the locals thought that was listening to 329 00:13:52,965 --> 00:13:54,206 -the radio station. -Oh, my gosh. 330 00:13:54,310 --> 00:13:55,344 [Erik chuckles] 331 00:13:55,448 --> 00:13:57,000 TRAVIS: Wow. 332 00:13:57,103 --> 00:13:59,310 That was pretty cool. Thank you for that. 333 00:13:59,413 --> 00:14:02,241 Yeah, we, uh, were watching the spectrum 334 00:14:02,344 --> 00:14:06,137 all around your signal and when you were broadcasting, 335 00:14:06,241 --> 00:14:09,931 the, uh, the waveform actually changed. 336 00:14:10,034 --> 00:14:12,620 Normally it has a certain shape, 337 00:14:12,724 --> 00:14:16,275 -Mm-hmm. -and when you started that signal, 338 00:14:16,379 --> 00:14:18,620 it changed to something completely different. 339 00:14:18,724 --> 00:14:20,620 -Hmm. -TRAVIS: It was really odd. 340 00:14:20,724 --> 00:14:23,241 Now, the interesting question is... 341 00:14:23,344 --> 00:14:25,896 -if there's any kind of response... -Oh, yeah. 342 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,103 ...what form will it take and how will we find out about it? 343 00:14:29,206 --> 00:14:30,379 Yeah, if anybody calls you and says, 344 00:14:30,482 --> 00:14:31,896 "Hey, what was that weird thing?" 345 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,275 Or "I had a headache when that was going," 346 00:14:33,379 --> 00:14:35,103 -you know, or whatever. -JENN: Yeah. 347 00:14:35,206 --> 00:14:36,448 -Okay. -TRAVIS: Especially if someone happens to see 348 00:14:36,551 --> 00:14:38,793 a UFO or UAP, or something strange 349 00:14:38,896 --> 00:14:41,689 in the sky, anything at all, please let us know. 350 00:14:41,793 --> 00:14:44,931 -Okay. -You may be able to provide some information 351 00:14:45,034 --> 00:14:46,827 that's very helpful to our research going on, 352 00:14:46,931 --> 00:14:48,620 -so thank you for accommodating us today. -All right. 353 00:14:48,724 --> 00:14:50,793 -Oh, yeah, anytime. -It was great to meet you. 354 00:14:50,896 --> 00:14:52,448 -You, too. -Yeah. Thank you very much. 355 00:14:52,551 --> 00:14:54,103 JENN: Thanks, guys. 356 00:14:56,896 --> 00:15:00,448 CHRIS: So, it's gonna be in this little area right here, 357 00:15:00,551 --> 00:15:03,000 where I was walking down from the top of the mesa 358 00:15:03,103 --> 00:15:05,551 and I found a cave. 359 00:15:05,655 --> 00:15:08,034 THOMAS: Over the years that I have been here on the ranch, 360 00:15:08,137 --> 00:15:11,793 there's been rampant rumors about underground bases, 361 00:15:11,896 --> 00:15:14,517 of tunnels, all kinds of underground things 362 00:15:14,620 --> 00:15:16,000 here at the ranch. 363 00:15:16,103 --> 00:15:18,620 If there are some, we definitely want to find them. 364 00:15:18,724 --> 00:15:21,344 I just happened to notice it from on top. 365 00:15:21,448 --> 00:15:23,689 Then I-I suggest maybe we just all climb up there 366 00:15:23,793 --> 00:15:25,172 -and see if we can find it. -CHRIS: Yeah. 367 00:15:25,275 --> 00:15:27,172 ♪ 368 00:15:40,448 --> 00:15:42,827 Hey, I found what looks like to be a cavern. 369 00:15:42,931 --> 00:15:44,275 CHRIS: Let me take a look. 370 00:15:47,413 --> 00:15:49,620 Oh, yeah. 371 00:15:49,724 --> 00:15:52,482 I'm pretty sure this is it, or it-it looks like it. 372 00:15:53,896 --> 00:15:56,517 THOMAS: You can tell that at one time it was a lot larger. 373 00:15:56,620 --> 00:15:58,931 And it's collapsed down in on itself. 374 00:15:59,034 --> 00:16:00,413 CHRIS: You can tell that this whole area 375 00:16:00,517 --> 00:16:02,068 looks like a sunken-in area. 376 00:16:02,172 --> 00:16:04,172 -THOMAS: Like it caved in. Yeah. -CHRIS: Yeah. 377 00:16:04,275 --> 00:16:06,758 It's so strange. 378 00:16:06,862 --> 00:16:10,758 THOMAS: If this is the opening to that cave that Chris found, 379 00:16:10,862 --> 00:16:13,379 did it collapse? Is it still there? 380 00:16:13,482 --> 00:16:16,551 Does it continue back, and it's just covered by rocks? 381 00:16:16,655 --> 00:16:18,586 Definitely a lot of unanswered questions. 382 00:16:18,689 --> 00:16:20,482 There's been one consistent thing I've heard 383 00:16:20,586 --> 00:16:22,413 since I've been here on the ranch for the last five years 384 00:16:22,517 --> 00:16:25,068 and that's there is a system of tunnels 385 00:16:25,172 --> 00:16:26,482 that goes throughout the ranch. 386 00:16:26,586 --> 00:16:29,896 We've got reports of UFO flying into the mesa, 387 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,068 that we have people that think that 388 00:16:31,172 --> 00:16:32,724 there's underground bases here. 389 00:16:32,827 --> 00:16:34,517 We've yet to find it. Who knows? 390 00:16:34,620 --> 00:16:37,482 Maybe this is the entrance or maybe this is a way in, 391 00:16:37,586 --> 00:16:39,241 and, uh, I'm all for figuring out 392 00:16:39,344 --> 00:16:41,241 a safe way to explore this more. 393 00:16:41,344 --> 00:16:44,379 Well, I'm ready to head down if you guys are. 394 00:16:44,482 --> 00:16:46,586 -I appreciate you showing us, Chris. -Hey, no problem, man. 395 00:16:49,172 --> 00:16:51,068 There's multiple layers to this property. 396 00:16:51,172 --> 00:16:54,275 I think what's going on here is bigger than any of us here. 397 00:16:54,379 --> 00:16:56,758 It's bigger than a science experiment. 398 00:16:56,862 --> 00:16:58,827 It's bigger than a government contract. 399 00:16:58,931 --> 00:17:00,758 It's bigger than all of us. 400 00:17:00,862 --> 00:17:03,655 How else can I explain some of this stuff 401 00:17:03,758 --> 00:17:05,137 throughout all those years? 402 00:17:05,241 --> 00:17:07,310 THOMAS: Okay, we got our GPS data. 403 00:17:07,413 --> 00:17:09,034 We know where it's at. 404 00:17:09,137 --> 00:17:10,758 Let's get out of here. 405 00:17:20,344 --> 00:17:22,000 Hey, there's Jim. 406 00:17:23,310 --> 00:17:24,724 -Hello, guys. -ERIK and TRAVIS: Hey, Jim. 407 00:17:24,827 --> 00:17:26,827 -What's going on? -JIM: Good to see you. 408 00:17:26,931 --> 00:17:29,482 The day after Erik and I conducted our experiment 409 00:17:29,586 --> 00:17:32,413 at Jack FM, ranch manager Jim Morse 410 00:17:32,517 --> 00:17:35,068 showed up to share something pretty crazy with us. 411 00:17:35,172 --> 00:17:37,379 Been doing a little outreach. 412 00:17:37,482 --> 00:17:40,034 I had a guy that, uh, sent me some videos. 413 00:17:40,137 --> 00:17:42,241 -TRAVIS: This is local? -This is local. 414 00:17:42,344 --> 00:17:44,724 -Oh. -Yeah, so, maybe I can show you these, 415 00:17:44,827 --> 00:17:46,724 and you can make heads or tails out of them. 416 00:17:46,827 --> 00:17:48,758 What are we looking at here? 417 00:17:48,862 --> 00:17:50,551 -I guess it's these lights right here. -JIM: Mm-hmm. 418 00:17:50,655 --> 00:17:53,517 [indistinct chatter] 419 00:17:53,620 --> 00:17:55,517 TRAVIS: Where did this come from? 420 00:17:55,620 --> 00:17:57,103 Is this from the community nearby? 421 00:17:57,206 --> 00:17:58,896 JIM: Yeah, this is from the community out here in the basin. 422 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,241 -TRAVIS: Uh-huh. -JIM: Um... 423 00:18:00,344 --> 00:18:03,310 I mean, there was people from Moon Lake, 424 00:18:03,413 --> 00:18:05,310 -miles away, that saw the lights. -Really? 425 00:18:05,413 --> 00:18:07,137 Well, you know, looking at that, 426 00:18:07,241 --> 00:18:08,655 first I thought it was stars, 427 00:18:08,758 --> 00:18:10,379 -but look, look, they're moving. -Yeah. 428 00:18:13,034 --> 00:18:14,517 TARVIS: Look at that. 429 00:18:14,620 --> 00:18:16,000 ERIK: Wow. 430 00:18:18,655 --> 00:18:20,482 Jim, when was this video taken? 431 00:18:20,586 --> 00:18:22,793 Last night, about 8:00 p.m. 432 00:18:22,896 --> 00:18:24,310 TRAVIS: Really? That's just a few hours 433 00:18:24,413 --> 00:18:25,517 after we played that sound on the radio, Erik. 434 00:18:25,620 --> 00:18:26,793 No kidding. 435 00:18:26,896 --> 00:18:28,137 It definitely stirred up 436 00:18:28,241 --> 00:18:29,862 a lot of interest out here. 437 00:18:29,965 --> 00:18:30,965 Look, and in the next video, they're in 438 00:18:31,068 --> 00:18:32,344 completely different kind of... 439 00:18:32,448 --> 00:18:34,000 -They've moved a bunch. -JIM: Yeah. 440 00:18:34,103 --> 00:18:35,344 TRAVIS: And there's a bunch. 441 00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:37,034 There's, like, four or five of them. 442 00:18:39,793 --> 00:18:41,482 -ERIK: Wow. -TRAVIS: Well, that is interesting. 443 00:18:41,586 --> 00:18:42,793 It's like some kind of formation 444 00:18:42,896 --> 00:18:44,137 of the lights, they're doing something. 445 00:18:44,241 --> 00:18:46,448 Now, if we actually stimulated 446 00:18:46,551 --> 00:18:48,965 these UAP to appear by broadcasting 447 00:18:49,068 --> 00:18:50,965 the sound from our 1.6 gigahertz signal 448 00:18:51,068 --> 00:18:54,000 out to Roosevelt, that's incredible. 449 00:18:54,103 --> 00:18:56,137 They definitely didn't look like any conventional aircraft 450 00:18:56,241 --> 00:18:57,655 I've ever seen. 451 00:18:57,758 --> 00:18:59,379 -It looks like five lights. -Mm-hmm. 452 00:18:59,482 --> 00:19:01,344 What on earth? 453 00:19:01,448 --> 00:19:03,172 They're clearly moving. 454 00:19:03,275 --> 00:19:04,724 They're flying, 455 00:19:04,827 --> 00:19:06,551 and I don't see any airplane navigation lights. 456 00:19:06,655 --> 00:19:08,379 JIM: No, I didn't either. I didn't either. 457 00:19:08,482 --> 00:19:09,931 -ERIK: I couldn't see a single blink. -TRAVIS: Yeah. 458 00:19:10,034 --> 00:19:11,413 -I don't know what that is. -JIM: Yeah. 459 00:19:11,517 --> 00:19:13,758 I got to tell you, though, it's intriguing. 460 00:19:13,862 --> 00:19:15,551 Yeah, I-I want to pick this apart frame by frame. 461 00:19:15,655 --> 00:19:18,172 -Yeah, yeah, yeah. -Let me take a look at this. 462 00:19:18,275 --> 00:19:20,482 I've never seen a pattern 463 00:19:20,586 --> 00:19:23,379 of this many mysterious lights in the sky, 464 00:19:23,482 --> 00:19:24,862 after any of our activities. 465 00:19:24,965 --> 00:19:25,862 -You know, usually we see one. -One. 466 00:19:25,965 --> 00:19:28,137 Maybe two. But that's pretty... 467 00:19:28,241 --> 00:19:29,896 That's pretty exciting. I don't know what that means. 468 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,551 JIM: Yeah. That's more than a coincidence. 469 00:19:32,655 --> 00:19:34,517 TRAVIS: Seeing these videos was incredible, 470 00:19:34,620 --> 00:19:37,034 because it wasn't just multiple UAPs 471 00:19:37,137 --> 00:19:38,931 that appeared at the same time. 472 00:19:39,034 --> 00:19:40,931 They also seemed to be maneuvering 473 00:19:41,034 --> 00:19:42,689 in a coordinated formation. 474 00:19:42,793 --> 00:19:44,172 -[static] -There it is. 475 00:19:44,275 --> 00:19:46,206 Wow. 476 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:48,172 When we broadcasted our signal at the radio station, 477 00:19:48,275 --> 00:19:51,103 we could see a very definite frequency register 478 00:19:51,206 --> 00:19:54,310 on the spectrum analyzer, as if something was responding. 479 00:19:54,413 --> 00:19:57,413 What I want to know is if these UAP 480 00:19:57,517 --> 00:20:00,034 were also stimulated by our experiment. 481 00:20:00,137 --> 00:20:02,413 Clearly, we now have an investigation 482 00:20:02,517 --> 00:20:05,000 that goes beyond the boundaries of Skinwalker Ranch. 483 00:20:05,965 --> 00:20:07,517 Well, if you get any stuff like this, 484 00:20:07,620 --> 00:20:09,413 -absolutely let us see it. -Okay. Yeah. Thank you. 485 00:20:09,517 --> 00:20:10,551 Especially, you know, getting the date and the time 486 00:20:10,655 --> 00:20:12,482 with it also, that's great. 487 00:20:12,586 --> 00:20:15,000 You guys really stirred the old, uh, hornets' nest up. 488 00:20:15,103 --> 00:20:16,413 Yeah. 489 00:20:16,517 --> 00:20:18,517 Okay, well, if I can borrow this 490 00:20:18,620 --> 00:20:19,517 -long enough to get the video off... -JIM: Yep, absolutely. 491 00:20:19,620 --> 00:20:21,137 Absolutely. 492 00:20:21,241 --> 00:20:23,034 And I'm gonna tear it apart frame by frame. 493 00:20:23,137 --> 00:20:24,896 -[laughs] -Yeah, yeah, yeah. 494 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:25,862 -I'll get back to the neighbor, okay. -All right. 495 00:20:25,965 --> 00:20:27,172 -Thanks a lot. -Thanks so much. 496 00:20:27,275 --> 00:20:28,620 -I'll get this back to you soon. -Thank you. 497 00:20:28,724 --> 00:20:29,034 -See you later, Jim. -Thank you. 498 00:20:41,034 --> 00:20:42,344 THOMAS: All right. 499 00:20:43,620 --> 00:20:46,172 -Well... -BRYANT: Yup. 500 00:20:46,275 --> 00:20:48,310 This is the area we're looking at. 501 00:20:48,413 --> 00:20:50,862 THOMAS: After our meeting with Chris Bartel, 502 00:20:50,965 --> 00:20:52,551 we brought Jake Huffman out, 503 00:20:52,655 --> 00:20:55,620 who has spent his career building oil well sites 504 00:20:55,724 --> 00:20:58,689 and as part of that, uh, has used a lot of explosives 505 00:20:58,793 --> 00:21:00,413 and done a lot of blasting. 506 00:21:00,517 --> 00:21:02,965 We wanted to get his eyes on the mesa 507 00:21:03,068 --> 00:21:05,206 and see if he could tell if this was a natural cave-in 508 00:21:05,310 --> 00:21:07,793 or a purposeful one, and what the best method 509 00:21:07,896 --> 00:21:10,068 for getting into the mesa would be. 510 00:21:10,172 --> 00:21:13,103 Well, about a quarter of the way down from the top, 511 00:21:13,206 --> 00:21:18,000 there's an opening where that little clay slough-off is. 512 00:21:18,103 --> 00:21:20,620 We had a former guard from Bigelow's era 513 00:21:20,724 --> 00:21:22,551 that told us about this large opening 514 00:21:22,655 --> 00:21:25,103 he'd climbed down in, there were some traps and stuff, 515 00:21:25,206 --> 00:21:27,206 but it appeared like it had collapsed in. 516 00:21:27,310 --> 00:21:29,034 And the whole time we've been here, 517 00:21:29,137 --> 00:21:31,758 we've heard reports of these large tunnels 518 00:21:31,862 --> 00:21:34,655 that people can walk clear, clear back in. 519 00:21:34,758 --> 00:21:36,103 -Really? -Uh-huh. 520 00:21:36,206 --> 00:21:38,103 Some underground bases and, I mean, you name it. 521 00:21:38,206 --> 00:21:39,551 We've heard all kinds of crazy things 522 00:21:39,655 --> 00:21:40,758 about this hill. 523 00:21:40,862 --> 00:21:42,344 And we've searched and searched 524 00:21:42,448 --> 00:21:45,241 and haven't found anything that resembles that 525 00:21:45,344 --> 00:21:47,793 until we got to this spot, 526 00:21:47,896 --> 00:21:50,103 and it does appear like there could have been 527 00:21:50,206 --> 00:21:53,068 a large opening that went back and it caved in. 528 00:21:53,172 --> 00:21:55,344 ♪ 529 00:21:55,448 --> 00:21:56,758 JAKE: I'd like to take a closer look, 530 00:21:56,862 --> 00:21:58,827 see if maybe we can see some signs 531 00:21:58,931 --> 00:22:02,000 -of any drilling activity. -THOMAS: Okay. 532 00:22:02,103 --> 00:22:03,551 Go ahead. 533 00:22:03,655 --> 00:22:06,551 We're just gonna go right up here to the base. 534 00:22:10,206 --> 00:22:12,620 Looking at it, do you see anything 535 00:22:12,724 --> 00:22:14,000 that would indicate to you 536 00:22:14,103 --> 00:22:17,413 that this was collapsed on purpose? 537 00:22:17,517 --> 00:22:18,965 JAKE: Actually, yeah. 538 00:22:21,275 --> 00:22:23,344 Usually, if you have a slough, 539 00:22:23,448 --> 00:22:26,517 then you're gonna have material that's built up somewhere, 540 00:22:26,620 --> 00:22:30,103 you know, and I'm not seeing anywhere where... 541 00:22:30,206 --> 00:22:32,793 softer material or mud or anything 542 00:22:32,896 --> 00:22:35,172 -pushed out from underneath it. -That was pushed out? 543 00:22:36,448 --> 00:22:37,827 That's a good point. 544 00:22:37,931 --> 00:22:40,344 -Hmm. -JAKE: That tells me 545 00:22:40,448 --> 00:22:42,482 this was done for a purpose. 546 00:22:44,965 --> 00:22:47,448 I don't know what that purpose would be. 547 00:22:47,551 --> 00:22:49,827 I can't see the rock having a value 548 00:22:49,931 --> 00:22:51,827 as landscaping rocks, or... 549 00:22:53,103 --> 00:22:56,827 I believe at some point there was blasting done, 550 00:22:56,931 --> 00:23:02,379 and perhaps that was done to hide something. 551 00:23:03,827 --> 00:23:07,103 THOMAS: Jake suggests that blasting has occurred in this area, 552 00:23:07,206 --> 00:23:10,965 that perhaps the face of this mesa has been collapsed in, 553 00:23:11,068 --> 00:23:13,931 and if so, it makes me wonder, why did they collapse it in? 554 00:23:14,034 --> 00:23:15,724 Was it for safety, to keep people out 555 00:23:15,827 --> 00:23:19,137 of these, uh, tunnels or mines, or whatever they were, 556 00:23:19,241 --> 00:23:21,413 or were they trying to hide something? 557 00:23:21,517 --> 00:23:22,724 We got to talk to Erik and Travis about all this 558 00:23:22,827 --> 00:23:24,896 and see what they think. 559 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,586 THOMAS: We definitely need to investigate it a lot more. 560 00:23:27,689 --> 00:23:28,724 -Yep. -So... 561 00:23:28,827 --> 00:23:30,689 We appreciate your expertise. 562 00:23:30,793 --> 00:23:31,827 I can only imagine we'll have you back out here again. 563 00:23:31,931 --> 00:23:33,275 Whatever I can do to help. 564 00:23:33,379 --> 00:23:35,275 -Okay. -Okay. We appreciate it. Thank you. 565 00:23:43,586 --> 00:23:46,620 THOMAS: We had an interesting visit with Chris Bartel. 566 00:23:46,724 --> 00:23:48,034 Chris shared some experiences that he had 567 00:23:48,137 --> 00:23:49,655 while he was here on the ranch. 568 00:23:49,758 --> 00:23:52,310 One of them, he was going across the mesa. 569 00:23:52,413 --> 00:23:56,379 He was following some very, very large tracks. 570 00:23:56,482 --> 00:23:59,689 The stride of this animal is like three feet. 571 00:23:59,793 --> 00:24:01,103 That's a big animal. 572 00:24:01,206 --> 00:24:02,724 He used the term canine, 573 00:24:02,827 --> 00:24:05,172 but those tracks looked like a very large wolf. 574 00:24:05,275 --> 00:24:09,551 And as he came down, he found this cavern. 575 00:24:09,655 --> 00:24:12,862 It was pretty large, and there were large traps 576 00:24:12,965 --> 00:24:14,827 that had been set down inside of this. 577 00:24:16,172 --> 00:24:19,034 The interesting thing was, is that when you look down in it, 578 00:24:19,137 --> 00:24:22,344 you can tell that the rocks have collapsed down. 579 00:24:22,448 --> 00:24:23,724 Wait, wait, so you've actually seen it? 580 00:24:23,827 --> 00:24:26,137 Yes, and I have a solid GPS coordinate 581 00:24:26,241 --> 00:24:28,724 for the actual opening. 582 00:24:28,827 --> 00:24:30,172 So, if you provide the coordinates, 583 00:24:30,275 --> 00:24:32,448 I can actually bring it up on the screen. 584 00:24:32,551 --> 00:24:35,034 TRAVIS: Ever since I joined the team two years ago, 585 00:24:35,137 --> 00:24:37,827 I've wanted to investigate the stories about caves 586 00:24:37,931 --> 00:24:39,586 and supposed underground caverns, 587 00:24:39,689 --> 00:24:41,931 but we just couldn't find any. 588 00:24:42,034 --> 00:24:43,103 -I say we pull this up on the screen and look at it. -OTHERS: Yeah. 589 00:24:43,206 --> 00:24:45,206 Yeah, let's do that. 590 00:24:45,310 --> 00:24:48,241 So, when Thomas said that former Bigelow team member 591 00:24:48,344 --> 00:24:52,551 Chris Bartel showed them where one was possibly covered over, 592 00:24:52,655 --> 00:24:55,068 I couldn't wait to learn more. 593 00:24:55,172 --> 00:24:57,689 THOMAS: It's about three-quarters of the way up the mesa, 594 00:24:57,793 --> 00:24:59,896 and it looks like 595 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,413 there potentially could have been a much larger cavern 596 00:25:02,517 --> 00:25:06,103 that the whole thing has just kind of sunk in and collapsed. 597 00:25:06,206 --> 00:25:08,517 Is this close to where we're starting to see 598 00:25:08,620 --> 00:25:12,172 some of the GPS anomalies where they vanished into the mesa? 599 00:25:12,275 --> 00:25:14,931 Now, that is a great question. 600 00:25:15,034 --> 00:25:17,758 Actually, it's the opposite. 601 00:25:17,862 --> 00:25:19,931 In some of our exercises, 602 00:25:20,034 --> 00:25:21,724 we've seen things seem to emerge 603 00:25:21,827 --> 00:25:24,482 from about that part of the mesa. 604 00:25:24,586 --> 00:25:25,965 -Hmm. -Really? 605 00:25:26,068 --> 00:25:28,620 ♪ 606 00:25:28,724 --> 00:25:30,862 -TRAVIS: Package away. -Earlier this summer, 607 00:25:30,965 --> 00:25:33,655 we conducted two different aerial experiments 608 00:25:33,758 --> 00:25:36,275 over the triangle area, using GPS sensors... 609 00:25:36,379 --> 00:25:37,827 ERIK: I'm getting something, yeah. 610 00:25:37,931 --> 00:25:39,862 ...trying to pinpoint the location 611 00:25:39,965 --> 00:25:41,620 where we keep detecting high-energy spikes 612 00:25:41,724 --> 00:25:43,620 about a mile above the ranch. 613 00:25:43,724 --> 00:25:46,310 These blue cubes represent 614 00:25:46,413 --> 00:25:49,068 the position of the GPS payloads. 615 00:25:49,172 --> 00:25:51,586 It looks like you smashed into the mesa. 616 00:25:51,689 --> 00:25:54,275 You popped out on this side right there. 617 00:25:54,379 --> 00:25:57,793 TRAVIS: But in both cases, the GPS data we collected 618 00:25:57,896 --> 00:26:00,655 inexplicably showed that our aircrafts 619 00:26:00,758 --> 00:26:02,310 flew down below the mesa. 620 00:26:02,413 --> 00:26:03,827 Look at that. 621 00:26:03,931 --> 00:26:06,137 That's about that location right there. 622 00:26:06,241 --> 00:26:09,655 And now it looks like the exit point corresponds 623 00:26:09,758 --> 00:26:11,827 with this spot where Chris Bartel says 624 00:26:11,931 --> 00:26:13,344 a cave entrance used to exist. 625 00:26:13,448 --> 00:26:15,344 I don't know yet, 626 00:26:15,448 --> 00:26:17,344 but maybe that's where 627 00:26:17,448 --> 00:26:19,724 our answers about the triangle area are hidden. 628 00:26:19,827 --> 00:26:22,931 After seeing this, we brought Jake out here 629 00:26:23,034 --> 00:26:25,172 and had him look at it. 630 00:26:25,275 --> 00:26:28,586 He had a feeling that it looked like 631 00:26:28,689 --> 00:26:31,000 there had been some demolition work there. 632 00:26:31,103 --> 00:26:34,172 Did Bigelow's team discover something 633 00:26:34,275 --> 00:26:36,344 that we have yet to discover? 634 00:26:36,448 --> 00:26:38,172 If there really is a cave there 635 00:26:38,275 --> 00:26:40,241 and it was covered up, 636 00:26:40,344 --> 00:26:41,724 that had to be done 637 00:26:41,827 --> 00:26:43,344 during Bigelow's ownership of the ranch, 638 00:26:43,448 --> 00:26:45,344 since he's the one that Brandon bought it from. 639 00:26:45,448 --> 00:26:48,172 So, given that Bigelow was funded in part 640 00:26:48,275 --> 00:26:50,862 by the federal government for his research, 641 00:26:50,965 --> 00:26:53,586 what could they have found that needed to be kept hidden? 642 00:26:53,689 --> 00:26:56,896 It'd be good to get Pete Kelsey to fly over it 643 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,862 with the infrared camera 644 00:26:58,965 --> 00:27:00,689 and see if there's any temperature differences 645 00:27:00,793 --> 00:27:02,379 that might suggest there's an airflow 646 00:27:02,482 --> 00:27:03,862 or a pocket or something. 647 00:27:03,965 --> 00:27:06,896 Absolutely. I-I've been really impressed 648 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,724 by his work in the past, and to be able to have him 649 00:27:08,827 --> 00:27:10,586 bring out even more equipment 650 00:27:10,689 --> 00:27:13,241 that's more technologically advanced would be awesome. 651 00:27:13,344 --> 00:27:14,827 ERIK: It sounds like we got a plan. 652 00:27:14,931 --> 00:27:16,103 The more detail we can get 653 00:27:16,206 --> 00:27:17,758 about this part of the property the better. 654 00:27:17,862 --> 00:27:20,413 -We'll get right to it. -Okay, sounds good. 655 00:27:20,517 --> 00:27:22,448 ♪ 656 00:27:27,310 --> 00:27:29,586 TRAVIS: Right in here somewhere? 657 00:27:29,689 --> 00:27:31,241 THOMAS: Right up on the edge up there. 658 00:27:32,344 --> 00:27:34,551 TRAVIS: To help us figure out 659 00:27:34,655 --> 00:27:36,413 if this really is a covered entrance 660 00:27:36,517 --> 00:27:38,413 to something in the mesa, 661 00:27:38,517 --> 00:27:40,310 technologist Pete Kelsey has brought out 662 00:27:40,413 --> 00:27:42,758 a drone with a thermal imaging camera 663 00:27:42,862 --> 00:27:45,896 that'll be able to identify any signs of voids 664 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,448 or caverns below the rubble. 665 00:27:47,551 --> 00:27:49,689 PETE: This looks great. 666 00:27:49,793 --> 00:27:51,931 -Thank you, sir. -Uh-huh. 667 00:27:52,034 --> 00:27:54,413 PETE: The guys have asked me to look for caves 668 00:27:54,517 --> 00:27:56,310 here on the property. The thermal camera could be 669 00:27:56,413 --> 00:27:57,758 a really good fit there, 670 00:27:57,862 --> 00:28:01,103 because typically caves, tunnels, 671 00:28:01,206 --> 00:28:04,482 the air inside is much cooler than the air outside. 672 00:28:04,586 --> 00:28:06,310 If it shows cold air, 673 00:28:06,413 --> 00:28:08,310 that could mean that there's a network. 674 00:28:08,413 --> 00:28:10,379 All right, I got all green lights here. 675 00:28:10,482 --> 00:28:12,517 Ready when you are. 676 00:28:12,620 --> 00:28:15,310 Where's the hole, Thomas? 677 00:28:15,413 --> 00:28:18,655 It's, uh, basically right... right up there. 678 00:28:18,758 --> 00:28:21,620 You can only see it from the top down. 679 00:28:21,724 --> 00:28:23,310 You can't see it looking up. 680 00:28:23,413 --> 00:28:25,448 So, I'm gonna just go up there so that you have 681 00:28:25,551 --> 00:28:27,448 an easy point of reference as you're trying to locate 682 00:28:27,551 --> 00:28:29,137 where this opening is at. 683 00:28:29,241 --> 00:28:30,655 I think it will be a lot easier if I'm up there 684 00:28:30,758 --> 00:28:32,896 -standing close to it, so... -Okay. 685 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,482 Okay, I'm gonna get started. 686 00:28:34,586 --> 00:28:36,241 -Be careful. -Yup. 687 00:28:36,344 --> 00:28:38,379 ♪ 688 00:28:38,482 --> 00:28:41,517 In my years on the ranch, there's been rampant rumors 689 00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:46,413 about underground tunnels, underground bases, 690 00:28:46,517 --> 00:28:49,034 and really, with the technology that we're deploying now, 691 00:28:49,137 --> 00:28:51,965 the hopes is to either find it 692 00:28:52,068 --> 00:28:54,000 or-or finally put it to bed once and for all. 693 00:28:55,379 --> 00:28:57,586 -Right here. -There? 694 00:28:57,689 --> 00:29:00,896 -Yup. -Spinning up. 695 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,689 [whirring] 696 00:29:03,793 --> 00:29:05,896 [beeping steadily] 697 00:29:07,275 --> 00:29:08,517 TRAVIS: So, you're flying the thermal camera first? 698 00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:10,034 PETE: Yeah, so the fancy term is 699 00:29:10,137 --> 00:29:12,724 this is a radiometric thermal camera, 700 00:29:12,827 --> 00:29:14,379 which means it will give me the temperature. 701 00:29:14,482 --> 00:29:16,379 But it also can do just video. 702 00:29:16,482 --> 00:29:20,103 -ERIK: Very cool. -Heading for Thomas. 703 00:29:20,206 --> 00:29:22,689 ♪ 704 00:29:22,793 --> 00:29:24,206 ERIK: There he is. 705 00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:26,000 PETE: I will zoom in on him a bit. 706 00:29:28,034 --> 00:29:30,965 So, the hole must be that thing right in front of him. 707 00:29:31,068 --> 00:29:32,103 Mm-hmm. 708 00:29:33,827 --> 00:29:38,448 Is that hole really the coldest thing within the field of view? 709 00:29:38,551 --> 00:29:41,206 -Yes. It's black. -Okay. 710 00:29:41,310 --> 00:29:43,793 PETE: It's 64 degrees. 711 00:29:43,896 --> 00:29:46,206 Whereas on the rock surfaces you are at... 712 00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:49,448 Yeah, out in the sun, it just went to a 102. 713 00:29:49,551 --> 00:29:51,448 A 40-degree difference? 714 00:29:52,655 --> 00:29:54,517 I'm gonna go ahead and take 715 00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:56,034 one of those smoke bombs up there. 716 00:29:56,137 --> 00:29:57,586 So you guys keep an eye out down here 717 00:29:57,689 --> 00:29:58,896 and see if you see smoke coming out. 718 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,655 That is a great idea. 719 00:30:00,758 --> 00:30:02,896 ♪ 720 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,551 TRAVIS: In addition to Pete's high-tech drone, 721 00:30:05,655 --> 00:30:08,068 we also brought along some low-tech smoke bombs, 722 00:30:08,172 --> 00:30:10,896 to look for evidence of holes or possible entry points. 723 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,206 Once we drop the bombs, 724 00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:15,379 if the smoke starts emitting back out of the mesa 725 00:30:15,482 --> 00:30:17,379 from different points then where we dropped them, 726 00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:19,206 it would be a sign that there really is 727 00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:21,862 a covered-up cave or tunnel system 728 00:30:21,965 --> 00:30:24,344 -under all these boulders. -BRYANT [over walkie]: Hey, Travis. 729 00:30:24,448 --> 00:30:26,103 We're ready for you to pop that smoke bomb. 730 00:30:26,206 --> 00:30:28,034 All right, we're gonna pop a smoke. 731 00:30:28,137 --> 00:30:30,241 Three... 732 00:30:30,344 --> 00:30:32,379 two, one... 733 00:30:32,482 --> 00:30:35,034 Popping smoke, popping smoke. 734 00:30:38,137 --> 00:30:40,413 -ERIK: You see any effect? -PETE: No. 735 00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:44,241 There, it's starting to come out. Look at that. 736 00:30:44,344 --> 00:30:46,034 Blue smoke. 737 00:30:46,137 --> 00:30:48,896 Yeah, so I'm getting no love on the thermal. 738 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,965 So, I'll switch to RGB. 739 00:30:52,931 --> 00:30:55,551 THOMAS: Oh, it's coming out down here. 740 00:30:55,655 --> 00:30:57,620 TRAVIS: Oh, look. Look behind you. 741 00:30:57,724 --> 00:30:59,310 It's coming out everywhere. 742 00:30:59,413 --> 00:31:01,758 Ooh, that makes my day. 743 00:31:01,862 --> 00:31:03,793 TRAVIS: Wow, look at that. 744 00:31:03,896 --> 00:31:05,793 THOMAS: Little wasps of it down here. 745 00:31:05,896 --> 00:31:09,103 ERIK: If there's a connection between these larger openings, 746 00:31:09,206 --> 00:31:11,310 -perhaps that cave we're talking about. -PETE: Yeah. 747 00:31:11,413 --> 00:31:13,413 There was a cave at one time. 748 00:31:13,517 --> 00:31:16,275 Thomas and I have found a couple of holes up here. 749 00:31:16,379 --> 00:31:19,655 I think we're gonna throw our smoke grenades in there. 750 00:31:19,758 --> 00:31:21,551 So, keep an eye out, see if you see it coming out 751 00:31:21,655 --> 00:31:24,413 -anywhere on the mesa. -Copy that, thanks. 752 00:31:24,517 --> 00:31:26,448 Right here. 753 00:31:32,620 --> 00:31:34,931 TRAVIS: Let it get smoking good. 754 00:31:35,034 --> 00:31:37,482 Oh, that's good, orange smoke, orange smoke. 755 00:31:38,586 --> 00:31:40,965 Oh, I'm gonna step back. 756 00:31:41,068 --> 00:31:43,758 Yeah, definitely, we got smoke. 757 00:31:43,862 --> 00:31:45,448 PETE: A little bit. 758 00:31:45,551 --> 00:31:48,275 ERIK: Yeah. 759 00:31:48,379 --> 00:31:50,103 TRAVIS: There should be a lot more smoke coming out. 760 00:31:50,206 --> 00:31:52,620 Actually, look, look, it's getting sucked in. 761 00:31:52,724 --> 00:31:55,655 TRAVIS: Yeah, the smoke's going down. 762 00:31:55,758 --> 00:31:57,275 THOMAS: Oh, look, it's completely gone. 763 00:31:57,379 --> 00:31:58,862 We should be seeing smoke everywhere. 764 00:31:58,965 --> 00:32:02,172 -There's no smoke. -There is nothing here. 765 00:32:02,275 --> 00:32:03,965 No smoke? 766 00:32:04,068 --> 00:32:06,655 BRYANT: I don't see anything. 767 00:32:06,758 --> 00:32:08,586 TRAVIS: Where did it go? 768 00:32:12,482 --> 00:32:14,586 BRYANT: Where'd the smoke go? 769 00:32:14,689 --> 00:32:16,172 Where'd it go? 770 00:32:16,275 --> 00:32:17,551 Actually, look, look. 771 00:32:17,655 --> 00:32:18,965 It's getting sucked in. 772 00:32:19,068 --> 00:32:21,379 TRAVIS: Yeah, the smoke's going down. 773 00:32:21,482 --> 00:32:23,586 The wind's blowing the smoke down, Dragon. 774 00:32:23,689 --> 00:32:26,137 Really? 775 00:32:26,241 --> 00:32:27,965 THOMAS: When we dropped smoke bombs down this opening, 776 00:32:28,068 --> 00:32:29,793 the smoke started to come out, 777 00:32:29,896 --> 00:32:32,137 and then it was as if somebody turned on a vacuum, 778 00:32:32,241 --> 00:32:34,931 and the smoke just disappeared and sucked down in the hole. 779 00:32:35,034 --> 00:32:37,241 Yeah, something's sucking the smoke 780 00:32:37,344 --> 00:32:39,413 into the cave or the hole. 781 00:32:39,517 --> 00:32:41,275 THOMAS: Nothing. 782 00:32:41,379 --> 00:32:44,586 There's no smoke at all! 783 00:32:44,689 --> 00:32:46,620 That is really strange. 784 00:32:46,724 --> 00:32:47,931 PETE: Yeah, it's inhaling. 785 00:32:48,034 --> 00:32:49,275 ERIK: Yeah, it's inhaling all right. 786 00:32:49,379 --> 00:32:51,275 So, if that's an inhale, the question is, 787 00:32:51,379 --> 00:32:52,724 where are the lungs? 788 00:32:52,827 --> 00:32:54,172 TRAVIS [over walkie]: Hey, Erik, you copy? 789 00:32:54,275 --> 00:32:56,206 Yeah, go ahead, Travis. 790 00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:58,896 You guys don't see any smoke down there? 791 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,689 Travis, I could only see the smoke at the beginning. 792 00:33:01,793 --> 00:33:03,172 It disappeared just like you reported. 793 00:33:03,275 --> 00:33:05,241 No trace. 794 00:33:05,344 --> 00:33:06,931 I don't see it coming out of anywhere. 795 00:33:10,275 --> 00:33:11,827 -You going up top? -Yeah. 796 00:33:11,931 --> 00:33:13,344 TRAVIS: Thomas is going up top. 797 00:33:13,448 --> 00:33:14,482 Look up there and see if you can see any smoke 798 00:33:14,586 --> 00:33:15,758 with the drone. 799 00:33:15,862 --> 00:33:17,172 Yeah. All right, panning up. 800 00:33:17,275 --> 00:33:19,172 ♪ 801 00:33:22,620 --> 00:33:25,620 -You see any effect? -No. 802 00:33:25,724 --> 00:33:28,620 -TRAVIS: Anything, Thomas? -No. 803 00:33:28,724 --> 00:33:31,655 TRAVIS: For the smoke to be getting pulled down into the mesa, 804 00:33:31,758 --> 00:33:34,586 that means that there's some kind of cavern or void 805 00:33:34,689 --> 00:33:38,103 sucking the smoke back underground like a vacuum. 806 00:33:38,206 --> 00:33:40,689 Is it something natural or could there be 807 00:33:40,793 --> 00:33:43,000 some artificial object or device causing that? 808 00:33:43,103 --> 00:33:45,655 Hey, guys, I got one more. 809 00:33:45,758 --> 00:33:47,586 Do we want to try and repeat that? 810 00:33:47,689 --> 00:33:49,000 I say we do. What do you think? 811 00:33:49,103 --> 00:33:50,000 -Yeah. -Heck, yeah. 812 00:33:50,103 --> 00:33:51,551 -Okay, I'll bring it up. -Okay. 813 00:33:52,482 --> 00:33:54,241 TRAVIS: Erik, be advised, 814 00:33:54,344 --> 00:33:56,000 Dragon has one more smoke grenade. 815 00:33:56,103 --> 00:33:57,000 He's gonna bring it up and we're gonna drop it 816 00:33:57,103 --> 00:33:59,241 in the hole for a repeat. 817 00:33:59,344 --> 00:34:00,172 Copy that. 818 00:34:00,275 --> 00:34:01,758 You want to do it, Dragon, or... 819 00:34:01,862 --> 00:34:03,310 Sure, I can. 820 00:34:03,413 --> 00:34:04,758 All right, well, look. 821 00:34:04,862 --> 00:34:06,551 We're getting ready to pop smoke again, 822 00:34:06,655 --> 00:34:08,413 so keep an eye out. 823 00:34:08,517 --> 00:34:12,827 Three, two, one... 824 00:34:15,344 --> 00:34:17,448 Yeah, that's probably good enough. 825 00:34:19,103 --> 00:34:21,068 -PETE: Purple smoke. -ERIK: Yeah. 826 00:34:21,172 --> 00:34:22,655 There's just a little bit coming out, 827 00:34:22,758 --> 00:34:24,172 but that-- N-No. 828 00:34:24,275 --> 00:34:25,931 BRYANT: Look at it. 829 00:34:26,034 --> 00:34:28,793 -It's pulling it back down. -Yeah, it is, look at it. 830 00:34:28,896 --> 00:34:30,310 TRAVIS: Yeah, look, it's pulling it down right here. 831 00:34:33,517 --> 00:34:36,241 That first little bit kind of filtered out, 832 00:34:36,344 --> 00:34:38,586 the rest is getting sucked back down. 833 00:34:38,689 --> 00:34:41,655 THOMAS: There should be a lot more smoke than that. 834 00:34:41,758 --> 00:34:44,310 TARVIS: Those smoke grenades last a while. 835 00:34:44,413 --> 00:34:46,896 -It's gone. -It's gone, look. 836 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,172 That's just weird. 837 00:34:49,275 --> 00:34:51,724 Hey, Erik, same thing happened. 838 00:34:51,827 --> 00:34:52,896 A little bit of smoke came out 839 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,551 then it all just kind of went away. 840 00:34:54,655 --> 00:34:56,310 Did y'all see any smoke come out of anywhere? 841 00:34:56,413 --> 00:34:57,896 Not down here, Travis. 842 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,758 Did Thomas see anything on the back side? 843 00:35:00,862 --> 00:35:03,310 -I don't see anything up here. -TRAVIS: Yeah? 844 00:35:03,413 --> 00:35:05,482 I even walked back there up on the ridge a little bit. 845 00:35:05,586 --> 00:35:06,586 I don't see anything. 846 00:35:08,172 --> 00:35:10,103 We've got a lot of data suggesting that 847 00:35:10,206 --> 00:35:13,000 there's something interesting going on in this area. 848 00:35:13,103 --> 00:35:15,482 With all the stories that we've heard of tunnels 849 00:35:15,586 --> 00:35:19,655 and caverns and underground bases here in the mesa, 850 00:35:19,758 --> 00:35:23,310 I finally feel like we're starting to make some progress. 851 00:35:23,413 --> 00:35:25,827 Well, it means there's got to be some sort of an opening, 852 00:35:25,931 --> 00:35:28,827 if it's pulling that much smoke and none of it's leaking out. 853 00:35:28,931 --> 00:35:31,310 We're out of smoke bombs, I guess just head down. 854 00:35:31,413 --> 00:35:33,793 All right, I'm landing. 855 00:35:35,241 --> 00:35:37,655 ERIK: As I like to say, "We are led by the data." 856 00:35:37,758 --> 00:35:39,965 And all of the data are pointing to 857 00:35:40,068 --> 00:35:42,310 the existence of a large void, 858 00:35:42,413 --> 00:35:45,034 somewhere inside of the face of this mesa. 859 00:35:45,137 --> 00:35:48,655 I would love to get eyes on what's in there. 860 00:35:48,758 --> 00:35:51,310 -Welcome back to earth. -OTHERS: Yeah. 861 00:35:51,413 --> 00:35:53,827 So you did find something? 862 00:35:53,931 --> 00:35:56,931 Uh, we did find something. 863 00:35:57,034 --> 00:35:59,241 Sure weird, from what I saw from the air. 864 00:35:59,344 --> 00:36:02,931 It was, it was like the mesa just took a deep breath. 865 00:36:03,034 --> 00:36:06,586 Yep, you could literally see it being sucked down into the hole. 866 00:36:06,689 --> 00:36:09,310 And the hole, it seems like it just went forever. 867 00:36:09,413 --> 00:36:11,379 It was just like a vacuum cleaner turned on 868 00:36:11,482 --> 00:36:12,896 and it sucked all that smoke down 869 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:13,724 -and then it was gone. -Yeah, it was gone. 870 00:36:13,827 --> 00:36:15,379 So, it went somewhere. 871 00:36:15,482 --> 00:36:17,896 That hole goes deeper than we think. 872 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,793 Well, I think we got to figure some things out 873 00:36:19,896 --> 00:36:21,793 before we do the next thing. We really want to do this right. 874 00:36:21,896 --> 00:36:24,448 The experiment definitely confirmed 875 00:36:24,551 --> 00:36:26,551 that there is something that we need to explore 876 00:36:26,655 --> 00:36:28,034 deep inside the mesa. 877 00:36:28,137 --> 00:36:30,206 But we're gonna have to move some earth, 878 00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:31,689 and that means digging or drilling 879 00:36:31,793 --> 00:36:33,241 to find out what it is. 880 00:36:33,344 --> 00:36:34,724 So, we need to have a serious meeting 881 00:36:34,827 --> 00:36:35,862 with Brandon and get his blessing, 882 00:36:35,965 --> 00:36:37,724 'cause we've seen in the past, 883 00:36:37,827 --> 00:36:40,758 it's always risky to dig on Skinwalker Ranch, 884 00:36:40,862 --> 00:36:42,379 but I don't see another choice. 885 00:36:42,482 --> 00:36:44,448 Great work, as always, Pete. 886 00:36:44,551 --> 00:36:46,448 -Thank you very much, appreciate it. -Oh, my pleasure. 887 00:36:46,551 --> 00:36:48,551 All right. We'll load up, head back. 888 00:36:58,068 --> 00:36:59,896 ERIK: Oh, well, here they are. 889 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,931 TRAVIS: Now that we've found what may be 890 00:37:02,034 --> 00:37:05,379 a purposely covered up system of caverns, or who knows what, 891 00:37:05,482 --> 00:37:06,379 in the mesa... 892 00:37:07,482 --> 00:37:10,551 ...we need to explain it to Brandon 893 00:37:10,655 --> 00:37:12,000 and have a serious discussion about 894 00:37:12,103 --> 00:37:13,827 what he's willing to allow us to do 895 00:37:13,931 --> 00:37:17,034 to get inside and see what the heck could be there. 896 00:37:17,137 --> 00:37:18,586 Well, Brandon, as usual, 897 00:37:18,689 --> 00:37:20,034 we have some intriguing things to report. 898 00:37:20,137 --> 00:37:23,551 We've taken a lot of data with the GPS experiments, 899 00:37:23,655 --> 00:37:25,034 with the helicopter, with the airplane, 900 00:37:25,137 --> 00:37:28,206 and we've seemed to find 901 00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:30,827 there's an anomaly that's just a little bit west 902 00:37:30,931 --> 00:37:33,896 of the, uh, triangle that's causing it to look like... 903 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,655 actually, that Cameron's helicopter flew us 904 00:37:35,758 --> 00:37:37,379 into the mesa, 905 00:37:37,482 --> 00:37:40,068 and then out of the mesa on top somehow or other. 906 00:37:40,172 --> 00:37:41,793 -Okay. -TRAVIS: That's kind of in the same location 907 00:37:41,896 --> 00:37:44,103 that we've had an eyewitness suggest 908 00:37:44,206 --> 00:37:45,551 that there was a cave there in the past. 909 00:37:45,655 --> 00:37:47,586 Really? Oh. Wow. 910 00:37:47,689 --> 00:37:51,827 Chris Bartel, uh, one of the former guards 911 00:37:51,931 --> 00:37:54,862 for Mr. Bigelow, he came out here and visited with us, 912 00:37:54,965 --> 00:37:57,034 and he showed us this cavern. 913 00:37:57,137 --> 00:38:00,137 Thomas and I had one of his associates come out 914 00:38:00,241 --> 00:38:02,275 who's done a lot of blasting and drilling. 915 00:38:02,379 --> 00:38:03,620 Well, he-he just looked at it, 916 00:38:03,724 --> 00:38:05,620 and he said it does have the appearance 917 00:38:05,724 --> 00:38:08,965 that it could have been blasted and collapsed. 918 00:38:09,068 --> 00:38:11,275 Chris Bartel showing us this cavern 919 00:38:11,379 --> 00:38:12,931 led us to explore further in that area 920 00:38:13,034 --> 00:38:14,724 to see if we could find other clues 921 00:38:14,827 --> 00:38:16,965 or maybe other entrances. 922 00:38:17,068 --> 00:38:19,448 -Mm-hmm. -And we actually did find some other holes, 923 00:38:19,551 --> 00:38:21,793 uh, which we dropped smoke bombs down into. 924 00:38:21,896 --> 00:38:24,896 The smoke started to come up out of the hole and then it was 925 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,448 as if somebody turned on a vacuum, 926 00:38:26,551 --> 00:38:28,793 and the smoke sucked down into the hole, 927 00:38:28,896 --> 00:38:30,310 and we never saw another trace of it. 928 00:38:30,413 --> 00:38:33,068 -Wow. -That was really strange. 929 00:38:33,172 --> 00:38:35,206 Yeah, it was-- it was odd. 930 00:38:35,310 --> 00:38:40,068 It really suggests that there is some sort of opening, 931 00:38:40,172 --> 00:38:43,620 uh, network underneath the rocks, underneath the mesa. 932 00:38:43,724 --> 00:38:48,655 The fact that the-the smoke experiment showed 933 00:38:48,758 --> 00:38:51,379 that there's some void, there's something 934 00:38:51,482 --> 00:38:55,068 that is pulling that material into the mesa, 935 00:38:55,172 --> 00:38:56,931 I mean, that's-that's a key clue. 936 00:38:57,034 --> 00:38:58,965 Yeah, it was the most bizarre thing. 937 00:38:59,068 --> 00:39:01,517 There's an airflow somewhere going into something, 938 00:39:01,620 --> 00:39:03,793 a void somewhere or whatever. 939 00:39:03,896 --> 00:39:05,931 Since it never came out lower, that suggests 940 00:39:06,034 --> 00:39:08,931 there's an opening underneath, underneath the mesa out there. 941 00:39:09,034 --> 00:39:12,172 -Yeah. -As we've discussed before, 942 00:39:12,275 --> 00:39:15,344 this is an area attended by GPS receivers 943 00:39:15,448 --> 00:39:18,862 behaving anomalously in that part of the ranch. 944 00:39:18,965 --> 00:39:21,344 What's doing it? What's interfering with them? 945 00:39:21,448 --> 00:39:24,344 -And what may have been covered up in the past? -ERIK: Yeah. 946 00:39:24,448 --> 00:39:26,827 BRANDON: What were they hiding in that mesa? 947 00:39:26,931 --> 00:39:28,586 That's the big question, right? 948 00:39:28,689 --> 00:39:30,724 What were they hiding and why would they 949 00:39:30,827 --> 00:39:34,448 deliberately cover up their tracks? 950 00:39:34,551 --> 00:39:36,793 I think Thomas has found the ideal solution. 951 00:39:36,896 --> 00:39:38,344 What would you propose? 952 00:39:38,448 --> 00:39:41,172 Well, I have a, I have a good friend 953 00:39:41,275 --> 00:39:42,689 that is a driller. 954 00:39:42,793 --> 00:39:45,137 Now, he's a horizontal driller. 955 00:39:45,241 --> 00:39:48,034 This drill is special in the fact that it's directional, 956 00:39:48,137 --> 00:39:50,482 and it allows him to steer the bit around. 957 00:39:50,586 --> 00:39:53,379 -Wow. -And so, we could set it up at the base of the mesa 958 00:39:53,482 --> 00:39:56,344 and drill horizontally into the mesa, 959 00:39:56,448 --> 00:39:59,482 and we can steer it around. 960 00:39:59,586 --> 00:40:01,241 And so, it would allow us to explore and see 961 00:40:01,344 --> 00:40:03,724 if we might be able to punch into one of these voids. 962 00:40:03,827 --> 00:40:07,689 That is a perfect match for our problem set, Thomas. 963 00:40:07,793 --> 00:40:11,000 I'm very curious to find out what may be hidden 964 00:40:11,103 --> 00:40:13,275 in that chamber or at least in that area. 965 00:40:13,379 --> 00:40:16,689 You have my approval to proceed, but proceed with care. 966 00:40:16,793 --> 00:40:19,724 I want to minimize the amount of disruption 967 00:40:19,827 --> 00:40:21,793 over in that area, and I want to make sure 968 00:40:21,896 --> 00:40:24,379 that safety is paramount. 969 00:40:24,482 --> 00:40:27,344 -You got it, Brandon. -BRYANT: Let's go. 970 00:40:27,448 --> 00:40:30,379 TARVIS: You can't really take this ranch 971 00:40:30,482 --> 00:40:32,827 as a serious scientific investigation 972 00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:35,517 if you don't take in mind 973 00:40:35,620 --> 00:40:37,655 all of the lore and mythology that comes with it. 974 00:40:37,758 --> 00:40:40,517 We've heard so many stories 975 00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:42,517 about what's underneath this mesa. 976 00:40:42,620 --> 00:40:45,793 We've heard myths of caves that have portals in them, 977 00:40:45,896 --> 00:40:47,724 even a military base. 978 00:40:47,827 --> 00:40:50,034 Any information we could get that tells us 979 00:40:50,137 --> 00:40:54,103 there's some type of void or even a structure, 980 00:40:54,206 --> 00:40:56,482 that would be amazing information. 981 00:40:56,586 --> 00:40:58,517 BRANDON: I believe as we move forward, 982 00:40:58,620 --> 00:41:02,827 the mesa holds secrets that have yet to be revealed. 983 00:41:02,931 --> 00:41:05,931 We have to always be aware 984 00:41:06,034 --> 00:41:08,724 that anytime we begin digging or disturbing the earth, 985 00:41:08,827 --> 00:41:12,241 we stand to experience harm 986 00:41:12,344 --> 00:41:14,655 and there's a risk involved. 987 00:41:14,758 --> 00:41:19,241 However, I can tell you we are onto something. 988 00:41:19,344 --> 00:41:21,517 This is the time to put our foot on the gas 989 00:41:21,620 --> 00:41:23,793 and to charge forward, 990 00:41:23,896 --> 00:41:26,586 so we can hopefully catch a glimpse 991 00:41:26,689 --> 00:41:29,620 of what is really at work at Skinwalker Ranch. 992 00:41:34,448 --> 00:41:38,241 THOMAS: We're hoping that we can go drill through the mesa 993 00:41:38,344 --> 00:41:39,827 and see if we hit any voids. 994 00:41:41,172 --> 00:41:43,068 BRYANT: That looks like a big chunk of something. 995 00:41:43,172 --> 00:41:46,241 What is that? It definitely looks metallic. 996 00:41:46,344 --> 00:41:48,620 BRYANT: Let's run a snake camera down in the mesa. 997 00:41:48,724 --> 00:41:50,034 There it is. 998 00:41:50,137 --> 00:41:51,068 What is that? 999 00:41:51,172 --> 00:41:53,413 This thing is broadcasting. 1000 00:41:53,517 --> 00:41:55,655 This thing shouldn't be broadcasting anything. 1001 00:41:55,758 --> 00:41:58,413 -Hey. Are you okay? -No. 1002 00:41:58,517 --> 00:41:59,413 BRYANT: Tom just blacked out. 78197

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