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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,875 --> 00:00:31,541 Come in. 2 00:00:31,625 --> 00:00:32,875 -Nice to see you. -Yeah, good seeing you. 3 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,041 Listen, take off your jacket and your shirt, 4 00:00:35,125 --> 00:00:36,750 and we'll see what it looks like. 5 00:00:36,833 --> 00:00:39,750 We can put it on your back or your chest, wherever you want. 6 00:00:39,833 --> 00:00:43,041 Well, actually I... you know, I couldn't have that on my body, 7 00:00:43,125 --> 00:00:45,375 because I hate to tell you, but it was somewhat different. 8 00:00:45,458 --> 00:00:47,500 In fact, it was quite a big difference. 9 00:00:47,583 --> 00:00:48,625 You have to understand, 10 00:00:48,708 --> 00:00:50,750 I was just crawling along, I had one day to live. 11 00:00:50,833 --> 00:00:53,291 I was on my knees, and I was hallucinating. 12 00:00:53,375 --> 00:00:56,208 And then, those enormous doors opened up. 13 00:00:56,291 --> 00:00:58,291 Lots of horses kept galloping out, 14 00:00:58,375 --> 00:00:59,541 and there wasn't death, there was... 15 00:00:59,625 --> 00:01:02,125 driving those horses, it was the angels. 16 00:01:02,208 --> 00:01:03,500 And I had this vision. 17 00:01:03,541 --> 00:01:06,541 Death didn't want me. Death didn't really want me. 18 00:01:44,291 --> 00:01:46,416 DIETER: Men are often haunted by things 19 00:01:46,500 --> 00:01:48,500 that happen to them in life, 20 00:01:48,541 --> 00:01:52,333 especially in war or other periods of great intensity. 21 00:01:52,416 --> 00:01:55,416 Sometimes, you see these men walking the streets 22 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:57,500 or driving in a car. 23 00:01:57,541 --> 00:02:02,500 Their lives seem to be normal, but they are not. 24 00:02:04,041 --> 00:02:05,666 When I'm driving my car, 25 00:02:05,750 --> 00:02:08,666 I often hear the voices of my dead friends. 26 00:02:08,750 --> 00:02:12,166 Sometimes, my friend Duane Martin calls me 27 00:02:12,250 --> 00:02:14,291 and tells me that his feet are cold. 28 00:02:14,375 --> 00:02:16,000 Because of this, 29 00:02:16,083 --> 00:02:21,000 even on a warm sunny day, I keep my convertible top up. 30 00:02:21,833 --> 00:02:24,583 I was shot down over Laos in 1966, 31 00:02:24,666 --> 00:02:27,916 in the early phase of the Vietnam War. 32 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:30,833 I never wanted to go to war. 33 00:02:30,916 --> 00:02:34,125 I only got into this because I had one burning desire, 34 00:02:34,208 --> 00:02:36,500 and that was to fly. 35 00:02:48,250 --> 00:02:51,500 But that there were people down there who suffered 36 00:02:51,541 --> 00:02:55,083 and who died only became clear to me much later... 37 00:02:55,166 --> 00:02:58,166 when I was their prisoner. 38 00:03:52,708 --> 00:03:54,708 This is Dieter Dengler. 39 00:03:54,791 --> 00:03:57,458 He came to America 40 years ago, 40 00:03:57,500 --> 00:03:59,250 and for the last 15 years, 41 00:03:59,416 --> 00:04:01,583 he has lived on Mount Tamalpais, 42 00:04:01,666 --> 00:04:04,833 north of San Francisco. 43 00:04:07,416 --> 00:04:10,500 Yeah, this is a lot of fun. 44 00:04:18,541 --> 00:04:21,041 You see, this really seems strange to most people, 45 00:04:21,125 --> 00:04:23,166 but to me, it's very important. 46 00:04:23,250 --> 00:04:26,375 It denotes freedom to be able to open or close a door. 47 00:04:26,458 --> 00:04:29,291 When I was a prisoner, I couldn't open the door, 48 00:04:29,375 --> 00:04:30,750 and later on, when I was dying, 49 00:04:30,833 --> 00:04:33,791 those big doors in the sky would open up. 50 00:04:33,875 --> 00:04:35,375 And so... 51 00:04:35,458 --> 00:04:37,500 most people don't realize how important it is, 52 00:04:37,541 --> 00:04:38,541 and the privilege that we have 53 00:04:38,625 --> 00:04:41,000 to be able to open or close a door. 54 00:04:41,083 --> 00:04:46,458 So... anyway, that's a habit I got into and... so be it! 55 00:04:47,708 --> 00:04:49,791 Well, this is the inside of my home. 56 00:04:49,875 --> 00:04:52,458 But you see, when you come into my house, right away, 57 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:55,083 there are pictures of open doors. 58 00:04:55,166 --> 00:04:57,125 That's been always very important to me, 59 00:04:57,208 --> 00:04:59,833 and... it gives me a sense of freedom. 60 00:04:59,916 --> 00:05:02,500 Walk into my house, when I built this house 15 years ago, 61 00:05:02,583 --> 00:05:04,916 I focused on having this open feeling. 62 00:05:05,041 --> 00:05:06,291 This was very important to me 63 00:05:06,375 --> 00:05:08,000 that I am on top of the mountain, 64 00:05:08,083 --> 00:05:11,458 I needed to find some kind of canyon. 65 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:15,500 Well, looking out here, you see a B-51 Mus... uh, Spitfire. 66 00:05:15,541 --> 00:05:18,416 Flying was always very important to me as a child. 67 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:21,166 Got little motors in there, don't know if they still work. 68 00:05:21,250 --> 00:05:24,208 I can climb up there and see. 69 00:05:26,916 --> 00:05:28,291 Yes, they do. 70 00:05:28,375 --> 00:05:31,583 Anyway, again, just standing here, you see 71 00:05:31,666 --> 00:05:34,125 that I do have an open feeling in this house. 72 00:05:34,208 --> 00:05:37,000 There's a... large stove. I really enjoy to cook. 73 00:05:37,083 --> 00:05:39,250 Food is very, very, very important to me. 74 00:05:39,333 --> 00:05:40,666 As you see, there's a lot of food. 75 00:05:40,750 --> 00:05:43,666 The refrigerator is always packed full with food. 76 00:05:43,750 --> 00:05:45,291 The cupboard is full of food. 77 00:05:45,375 --> 00:05:48,916 In fact, as I look in there, it's half empty. 78 00:05:49,041 --> 00:05:51,083 Not only that, below the house, 79 00:05:51,166 --> 00:05:54,166 I have emergency provisions that I put in there years ago, 80 00:05:54,250 --> 00:05:55,833 that I'm kind of hoarding down there. 81 00:05:55,916 --> 00:05:58,666 Well, I'm really curious myself now 82 00:05:58,750 --> 00:06:02,458 to see if everything is still in good shape down here. 83 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:06,583 Tear up this carpet here. 84 00:06:07,875 --> 00:06:11,875 And those... those five-gallon containers. 85 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,750 Yeah, everything seems to be... still in good shape down here. 86 00:06:18,250 --> 00:06:21,500 There is a 1,000 pounds of rice. 87 00:06:21,750 --> 00:06:24,750 There is a 1,200 pounds of flour and wheat. 88 00:06:24,833 --> 00:06:27,541 There's 300 pounds of honey. 89 00:06:27,750 --> 00:06:29,291 There's sugar down there. 90 00:06:29,375 --> 00:06:31,666 I tell you, I'll probably never need... 91 00:06:31,750 --> 00:06:32,833 any of this food, 92 00:06:32,916 --> 00:06:36,666 but I can sleep so much better knowing that it's down there. 93 00:06:38,583 --> 00:06:42,291 Well, while I was in prison, all we did talk about was food. 94 00:06:42,375 --> 00:06:44,125 We talked about deep freezers, 95 00:06:44,208 --> 00:06:47,000 and... refrigerators, stacking 'em up, 96 00:06:47,083 --> 00:06:48,875 and I decided I'm coming back home, 97 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,791 and I'm gonna build a restaurant. 98 00:06:50,875 --> 00:06:52,333 A German-type restaurant, 99 00:06:52,416 --> 00:06:54,791 and I'm gonna stack it up and never be hungry again. 100 00:06:56,333 --> 00:06:58,666 This is my mother. 101 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,541 She arrived in America 102 00:07:00,625 --> 00:07:02,875 after I had gained about 30 or 40 pounds. 103 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,875 I was in San Diego, in a hospital. 104 00:07:06,041 --> 00:07:07,375 She... 105 00:07:07,458 --> 00:07:11,000 came on an airplane with... boxes full of apples... 106 00:07:11,083 --> 00:07:12,291 that she was passing around 107 00:07:12,375 --> 00:07:14,041 to all the passengers around her. 108 00:07:14,125 --> 00:07:16,500 She turned the meal down, in the airplanes, 109 00:07:16,541 --> 00:07:19,041 because she thought it'd cost her a lot of money. 110 00:07:19,125 --> 00:07:21,375 And she was truly starved. 111 00:07:25,875 --> 00:07:27,375 This is my father. 112 00:07:27,458 --> 00:07:29,583 I only know my father from pictures. 113 00:07:29,666 --> 00:07:31,666 He was killed in the war. 114 00:07:32,250 --> 00:07:35,666 I missed not having a father. It was just then, later on... 115 00:07:35,750 --> 00:07:37,208 when I was in Vietnam, 116 00:07:37,291 --> 00:07:40,541 and my friend Duane's head was... cut off, 117 00:07:40,625 --> 00:07:42,416 and the Vietcongs were all around me, 118 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:44,125 there was just shooting and yelling, 119 00:07:44,208 --> 00:07:47,291 and... yeah, I was just running along down this trail. 120 00:07:47,375 --> 00:07:49,833 And then I came to this river fork and... 121 00:07:49,916 --> 00:07:51,000 Here was my father, 122 00:07:51,083 --> 00:07:53,500 clear as a picture in the middle of the river standing 123 00:07:53,583 --> 00:07:56,625 and pointing with his arm, and just pointing and pointing... 124 00:07:56,708 --> 00:07:59,000 for me, for the direction to go. 125 00:07:59,083 --> 00:08:00,375 And I went behind the rocks, 126 00:08:00,458 --> 00:08:02,208 and I worked my way up that riverbed. 127 00:08:02,291 --> 00:08:04,333 I heard the Vietcongs come by up the other side. 128 00:08:04,416 --> 00:08:05,583 They went up the other side, 129 00:08:05,666 --> 00:08:07,708 and then later on, about five days later, 130 00:08:07,791 --> 00:08:10,166 I was rescued going up this other side. 131 00:08:10,250 --> 00:08:11,500 So... 132 00:08:11,541 --> 00:08:14,000 That was truly a miracle. 133 00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:31,625 Below me, you see my home town, Wildberg. 134 00:08:31,708 --> 00:08:35,291 I was born there. My childhood years were... spent right here. 135 00:08:35,375 --> 00:08:36,666 Down here you see the church 136 00:08:36,750 --> 00:08:38,791 and a few houses to the left, with my house. 137 00:08:38,875 --> 00:08:41,458 It's not there anymore, the bombers came and... 138 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:43,375 and wiped out this town. 139 00:08:43,458 --> 00:08:44,541 The first airplane... 140 00:08:44,625 --> 00:08:46,375 The first airplanes that I ever saw in my life, 141 00:08:46,458 --> 00:08:47,750 they came right over here. 142 00:08:47,833 --> 00:08:49,166 They were fighters. They were... 143 00:08:49,250 --> 00:08:51,125 They dove down onto this small town. 144 00:08:51,208 --> 00:08:52,500 They made senseless attacks 145 00:08:52,583 --> 00:08:55,208 on this small village just like this. 146 00:08:59,458 --> 00:09:03,041 And behind me...up there. That's kind of how it looked. 147 00:09:03,125 --> 00:09:04,291 I had two brothers then, 148 00:09:04,375 --> 00:09:06,833 we were out on the top window, and we looked out. 149 00:09:06,916 --> 00:09:08,291 And we watched all this, 150 00:09:08,375 --> 00:09:11,500 and I clearly remember one of the airplanes... 151 00:09:11,583 --> 00:09:13,250 came diving at our house, 152 00:09:13,333 --> 00:09:15,916 and it was so unusual, because the cockpit was open. 153 00:09:16,041 --> 00:09:17,458 The pilot had black goggles 154 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:18,916 that were sitting on his forehead. 155 00:09:19,041 --> 00:09:20,000 He was looking. 156 00:09:20,083 --> 00:09:22,833 He had actually turned around. He was looking in the window. 157 00:09:22,916 --> 00:09:24,875 And the machine guns were just firing, 158 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,500 because the... the flashes... 159 00:09:26,583 --> 00:09:28,708 I keep seeing them coming out. 160 00:09:28,791 --> 00:09:29,875 And the left wing tip 161 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,625 just missed the house by two or three feet. 162 00:09:31,708 --> 00:09:32,583 I seen it rip by! 163 00:09:32,666 --> 00:09:34,500 It was just a fraction of a second. 164 00:09:34,541 --> 00:09:36,458 It was like a... vision for me! 165 00:09:36,500 --> 00:09:39,541 It was like an Almighty being... that came out. 166 00:09:39,625 --> 00:09:40,916 It was just something else 167 00:09:41,041 --> 00:09:42,916 that's very difficult to describe. 168 00:09:43,041 --> 00:09:44,250 But I knew from that moment on 169 00:09:44,333 --> 00:09:46,625 that I wanted to be a pilot, I wanted to be a flier. 170 00:09:46,708 --> 00:09:50,666 From that moment on, little Dieter needed to fly. 171 00:09:50,750 --> 00:09:52,625 ♪♪ 172 00:10:25,333 --> 00:10:28,208 I have a few medals that I received. 173 00:10:28,291 --> 00:10:31,541 That's an American Fighter Ace medal. 174 00:10:31,625 --> 00:10:34,833 Right over here is the Purple Heart, Air Medal... 175 00:10:34,916 --> 00:10:39,583 Distinguished Flying Cross, and the Navy Cross. 176 00:10:40,125 --> 00:10:41,375 Up here in the corner, 177 00:10:41,458 --> 00:10:43,458 this sword is called the Sword of Loyola. 178 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:44,750 It was blessed by the Pope, 179 00:10:44,833 --> 00:10:47,041 it was brought over here by a bishop. 180 00:10:47,125 --> 00:10:48,250 Just two in existence. 181 00:10:48,333 --> 00:10:51,375 J. Edgar Hoover got one, and I was lucky to get the other one. 182 00:10:54,458 --> 00:10:57,916 What does it mean for you to be a war hero? 183 00:10:58,250 --> 00:10:59,791 Oh, I'm not a hero. 184 00:10:59,875 --> 00:11:01,833 Only people who are dead who are heroes. 185 00:11:01,916 --> 00:11:03,500 And that's not a thing I want to be, 186 00:11:03,541 --> 00:11:05,750 and I don't think of myself as a hero. 187 00:11:05,833 --> 00:11:07,750 No, only dead people are heroes. 188 00:11:08,541 --> 00:11:10,125 If I start over here... 189 00:11:10,208 --> 00:11:14,333 This picture was sent to me recently by a friend. 190 00:11:14,416 --> 00:11:16,875 This is the last shot of my airplane after I took... 191 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,458 when I took off for Vietnam. 192 00:11:20,750 --> 00:11:26,916 And this is how the airplane looked two hours later. 193 00:11:27,875 --> 00:11:29,583 And this is Dieter Dengler, 194 00:11:29,666 --> 00:11:32,500 six months later, after his rescue. 195 00:11:32,541 --> 00:11:36,708 He was down to 85 pounds. 196 00:11:41,125 --> 00:11:44,041 DIETER: I knew hunger as a child. 197 00:11:44,416 --> 00:11:46,375 I grew up in post-war Germany. 198 00:11:46,458 --> 00:11:49,833 We lived in great poverty and I remember, as children, 199 00:11:49,916 --> 00:11:53,833 going to bombed out buildings, where we tore off wallpaper. 200 00:11:53,916 --> 00:11:55,625 My mother would cook the wallpaper, 201 00:11:55,708 --> 00:11:56,833 and we would eat it... 202 00:11:56,916 --> 00:12:00,333 because there were nutrients in the glue. 203 00:12:01,250 --> 00:12:04,708 ♪♪ 204 00:12:16,125 --> 00:12:19,000 As a child, Dieter saw things around him 205 00:12:19,083 --> 00:12:22,416 that just made no earthly sense at all. 206 00:12:23,083 --> 00:12:28,250 ♪♪ 207 00:12:29,708 --> 00:12:31,500 Germany had been transformed 208 00:12:31,583 --> 00:12:34,333 into a dreamscape of the surreal. 209 00:12:34,416 --> 00:12:38,583 ♪♪ 210 00:12:50,041 --> 00:12:52,500 And then things got better. 211 00:12:53,083 --> 00:12:56,541 Dieter remembers the first sausage in a display window. 212 00:12:56,708 --> 00:12:58,708 It was the first one in years, 213 00:12:58,875 --> 00:13:01,791 and he stopped and stared at it. 214 00:13:03,166 --> 00:13:08,625 Everyone else stopped too, but nobody could afford to buy it. 215 00:13:09,166 --> 00:13:12,500 ♪♪ 216 00:13:27,625 --> 00:13:30,708 In post-war Germany, there was no aviation. 217 00:13:30,791 --> 00:13:31,875 And, therefore, 218 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,541 it remained Dieter's dream to become a pilot. 219 00:13:36,041 --> 00:13:40,333 This is a very, very, very old... rare clock. 220 00:13:42,833 --> 00:13:43,833 From age 14, 221 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,500 Dengler apprenticed as a tool and dye maker. 222 00:13:47,541 --> 00:13:50,666 He learned how to build church clocks. 223 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,708 Not only did I learn to be a ...church clock builder, 224 00:14:01,791 --> 00:14:03,583 I learned to be a blacksmith. 225 00:14:06,458 --> 00:14:08,375 God! What a tough apprenticeship I had! 226 00:14:08,458 --> 00:14:10,375 How many hours did I stand right here? 227 00:14:10,458 --> 00:14:13,125 How many times did I have that hammer on my side? 228 00:14:13,208 --> 00:14:15,791 ...an old man... 229 00:14:15,875 --> 00:14:17,583 He was a blacksmith, he had hands like that. 230 00:14:17,666 --> 00:14:20,541 Many times he would come up and hit me in the face. 231 00:14:20,625 --> 00:14:22,250 I would be just... I would be passing out. 232 00:14:22,333 --> 00:14:25,708 We worked from seven in the morning till late at night. 233 00:14:25,791 --> 00:14:29,333 Including weekends. We made 50 cents a month. 234 00:14:29,416 --> 00:14:32,000 It was truly horrible, but we stuck with it. 235 00:14:32,083 --> 00:14:34,375 And then, later on in Vietnam... 236 00:14:34,458 --> 00:14:36,166 That's the first time I recognized it. 237 00:14:36,250 --> 00:14:37,500 What it meant really to me, 238 00:14:37,583 --> 00:14:40,083 and without this tough, tough, tough man 239 00:14:40,166 --> 00:14:43,916 that beat us many, many times, I could have never made it. 240 00:14:45,708 --> 00:14:48,791 He finished his apprenticeship at age 18. 241 00:14:48,875 --> 00:14:51,000 30 minutes after his final exam, 242 00:14:51,083 --> 00:14:53,458 Dieter was already en route to America, 243 00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:57,000 because his dream of being a pilot had never died. 244 00:14:57,083 --> 00:14:59,708 This photo was taken the moment he left. 245 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:02,291 I left from right down here for America. 246 00:15:02,375 --> 00:15:04,875 I had 30 cents in my pocket. 247 00:15:05,333 --> 00:15:07,666 I was two hours out of town, I was hungry. 248 00:15:08,208 --> 00:15:10,166 I had two weeks to wait for my ship to leave, 249 00:15:10,250 --> 00:15:11,416 and I hitchhiked... 250 00:15:11,500 --> 00:15:14,833 via Hamburg, to Bremerhaven, where the boat left. 251 00:15:14,916 --> 00:15:17,416 I was climbing up the ladder, I got seasick right away. 252 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:18,500 In the back of the ship, 253 00:15:18,541 --> 00:15:20,708 they were playing a German national song: 254 00:15:20,791 --> 00:15:22,875 "Auf Wiedersehen", "Auf Wiedersehen". 255 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,416 Tears were rolling down my eyes. 256 00:15:25,500 --> 00:15:26,875 I stepped on the ship and got seasick. 257 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,250 I was violently sick for 2 1/2 weeks. 258 00:15:29,333 --> 00:15:32,500 But I managed to go up in the kitchen or in living room... 259 00:15:32,541 --> 00:15:34,583 Not the living room, but where people were eating, 260 00:15:34,666 --> 00:15:37,041 and there I got sandwiches, and I got oranges. 261 00:15:37,125 --> 00:15:38,750 And I hoarded it all in my room. 262 00:15:38,833 --> 00:15:40,583 And then, early in the morning, there was an announcement 263 00:15:40,666 --> 00:15:42,833 that the Statue of Liberty was going to come in sight. 264 00:15:42,916 --> 00:15:44,291 I went in my room. 265 00:15:44,375 --> 00:15:46,000 I took this large shirt from my grandfather, 266 00:15:46,083 --> 00:15:47,708 tied it with string below my knees, 267 00:15:47,791 --> 00:15:49,000 and filled it up with sandwiches, 268 00:15:49,083 --> 00:15:50,625 with oranges, all this food. 269 00:15:50,708 --> 00:15:52,500 And I thought, we're just going to arrive, 270 00:15:52,583 --> 00:15:53,541 I'll walk off the ship. 271 00:15:53,625 --> 00:15:54,791 But we had to go through customs. 272 00:15:54,875 --> 00:15:56,375 Well, I never heard of customs. 273 00:15:56,458 --> 00:15:58,125 I was this little 18-year-old boy, 274 00:15:58,208 --> 00:15:59,458 I never was out of my hometown. 275 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:01,833 One time for one day we went to a castle somewhere. 276 00:16:01,916 --> 00:16:04,500 We were extremely poor. 277 00:16:04,583 --> 00:16:07,000 So, anyway, I went through customs. 278 00:16:07,083 --> 00:16:09,583 A lot of people were lined up. This customs agent came over. 279 00:16:09,666 --> 00:16:11,125 The first thing, he grabbed my shirt. 280 00:16:11,208 --> 00:16:12,208 Pulled my shirt up, 281 00:16:12,291 --> 00:16:14,083 and all the sandwiches and all those oranges 282 00:16:14,166 --> 00:16:15,291 fell on the floor. 283 00:16:15,375 --> 00:16:17,875 I got beet red because when I left my hometown, 284 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,083 people were laughing, they said, 285 00:16:19,166 --> 00:16:20,916 "He's going to America. Money's gonna... 286 00:16:21,041 --> 00:16:23,750 He thinks money grows on the trees!" 287 00:16:23,833 --> 00:16:26,250 They thought I'm gonna end up in jail, and now I knew. 288 00:16:26,333 --> 00:16:28,250 I went, "They're right, I'm gonna end up in jail." 289 00:16:28,375 --> 00:16:31,458 ♪♪ 290 00:16:35,541 --> 00:16:37,333 I didn't speak any English, I knew a few words. 291 00:16:37,416 --> 00:16:39,541 Timmy Square... Times Square. 292 00:16:39,625 --> 00:16:42,750 The highest house, two-storey houses that I saw in Germany. 293 00:16:42,833 --> 00:16:44,500 Here, I'm in New York. Manhattan. 294 00:16:44,583 --> 00:16:46,791 Walking around, it was just a whole new world for me. 295 00:16:46,875 --> 00:16:49,208 But again, of course, I was extremely hungry. 296 00:16:49,291 --> 00:16:51,000 So, I lived in the streets for about ten days, 297 00:16:51,083 --> 00:16:52,458 and I met a couple of people. 298 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:54,750 And then finally, I joined the Air Force. 299 00:16:54,833 --> 00:16:57,500 Because I really left Germany to become a pilot. 300 00:16:57,541 --> 00:16:58,916 And I couldn't do it in Germany. 301 00:16:59,041 --> 00:17:00,583 Germany didn't have an Air Force. 302 00:17:00,666 --> 00:17:01,833 They didn't have an airline, 303 00:17:01,916 --> 00:17:03,500 they had no schooling whatsoever. 304 00:17:03,583 --> 00:17:06,875 We had to work to help our parents just to survive 305 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,500 and to live. 306 00:17:08,583 --> 00:17:10,625 And so, I went to the recruiter in New Jersey, and he said, 307 00:17:10,750 --> 00:17:12,000 "Of course, if you join the Air Force, 308 00:17:12,083 --> 00:17:13,458 you're going to be a pilot." 309 00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:16,125 I signed up, two hours later, I was in San Antonio, Texas. 310 00:17:16,208 --> 00:17:17,375 They cut my hair off. 311 00:17:17,458 --> 00:17:20,083 But instead of becoming a pilot, they put me in the kitchen. 312 00:17:20,166 --> 00:17:23,166 There were 5,000 recruits there. 7,000 recruits! 313 00:17:23,250 --> 00:17:25,416 I peeled potatoes for 2 1/2 years. 314 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:27,458 And then finally, they put me in the motor pool. 315 00:17:27,500 --> 00:17:30,458 I changed tires, but I never got near an airplane. 316 00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:32,916 I went to night school. I became a citizen. 317 00:17:33,041 --> 00:17:34,500 And then I left for California, 318 00:17:34,583 --> 00:17:36,333 because I knew by then what I had to do. 319 00:17:36,416 --> 00:17:37,291 I had to go to college, 320 00:17:37,375 --> 00:17:39,500 get a college degree to join the Navy. 321 00:17:39,583 --> 00:17:42,500 And that's what I did. I bought a car, an old VW Bus. 322 00:17:42,583 --> 00:17:43,916 There was a big hole in the side. 323 00:17:44,041 --> 00:17:45,166 I parked in the parking lot. 324 00:17:45,250 --> 00:17:47,250 I had my surfboard in there, my skis in there. 325 00:17:47,333 --> 00:17:49,166 That's where I lived for 2 1/2 years. 326 00:17:49,250 --> 00:17:51,166 Worked at night, went to school. 327 00:17:51,250 --> 00:17:53,166 And after that I joined the Navy. 328 00:17:53,250 --> 00:17:55,041 And then I was based in Alameda. 329 00:17:55,125 --> 00:17:56,041 And from there we left 330 00:17:56,125 --> 00:17:58,000 on the aircraft carrier for Vietnam. 331 00:17:58,625 --> 00:17:59,500 ♪♪ 332 00:17:59,583 --> 00:18:03,375 But from the air, Vietnam didn't seem real at all. 333 00:18:03,458 --> 00:18:06,125 For Dengler, it was like a grid on a map. 334 00:18:06,208 --> 00:18:09,375 He had suddenly found himself not only a pilot, 335 00:18:09,458 --> 00:18:12,625 but a soldier caught up in a real war. 336 00:18:12,708 --> 00:18:14,708 But even though it was all very real, 337 00:18:14,791 --> 00:18:20,333 everything down there seemed to be so alien and so abstract. 338 00:18:23,791 --> 00:18:28,000 ♪♪ 339 00:18:28,083 --> 00:18:32,833 It all looked strange, like a distant, barbaric dream. 340 00:20:41,291 --> 00:20:44,208 Also, I... I flew the Skyraider... 341 00:20:44,291 --> 00:20:47,125 over Vietnam... I had just left the carrier. 342 00:20:47,208 --> 00:20:49,625 I had flown 2 1/2 hours through heavy flak. 343 00:20:49,708 --> 00:20:51,833 I was coming near my target. 344 00:20:51,916 --> 00:20:54,333 And I clearly remember my target was disappearing 345 00:20:54,416 --> 00:20:57,125 right at the wing root, where the wing meets the body. 346 00:20:57,208 --> 00:20:59,875 And I rolled the airplane on its back. 347 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,291 And then, of course I would see the target above me, 348 00:21:02,375 --> 00:21:03,625 and I was coming straight down, 349 00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:05,000 and just when I was inverted, 350 00:21:05,083 --> 00:21:07,583 there was this loud explosion off the right side, 351 00:21:07,666 --> 00:21:09,125 half my wing was gone. 352 00:21:09,208 --> 00:21:11,041 And I remember the brightness of it 353 00:21:11,125 --> 00:21:12,625 was just like a lightning striking. 354 00:21:12,708 --> 00:21:15,916 The airplane then tumbled through the air. 355 00:21:16,041 --> 00:21:18,458 I reached down, and I dropped my tanks, 356 00:21:18,500 --> 00:21:21,458 and I thought I'll belly the airplane down in this valley. 357 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:26,041 But then more explosions went off, off my right wing. 358 00:21:26,125 --> 00:21:27,625 Boom! Boom! Boom! 359 00:21:27,708 --> 00:21:29,791 The brightness is really what I remember. 360 00:21:29,875 --> 00:21:31,416 I decided, maybe I can... 361 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:34,250 fly the airplane and glide it right over this ridge. 362 00:21:34,333 --> 00:21:36,083 There was a ridge on the right-hand side. 363 00:21:36,166 --> 00:21:37,583 There was a lot of trees, as I said. 364 00:21:37,666 --> 00:21:40,500 There was a... an enormous tree in front of me, 365 00:21:40,541 --> 00:21:42,500 and just before I hit it, I kicked full right rudder. 366 00:21:42,541 --> 00:21:43,875 The airplane yawed to the right. 367 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,541 There was an impact on the left wing. It snapped this... 368 00:21:46,625 --> 00:21:48,500 this, this thick tree off, 369 00:21:48,541 --> 00:21:50,833 and, of course, then the left wing went back. 370 00:21:50,916 --> 00:21:54,208 Then the entire tail: the rudder, hose, stabilizer. 371 00:21:54,291 --> 00:21:55,916 Everything just tumbled by. 372 00:21:56,041 --> 00:21:58,541 I clearly remember the canopy started cracking, 373 00:21:58,625 --> 00:21:59,791 the lower left-hand corner. 374 00:21:59,875 --> 00:22:03,083 Just like slow motion. It was cracking, and it ripped off. 375 00:22:03,166 --> 00:22:05,166 Then my helmet just jerked off my head. 376 00:22:05,250 --> 00:22:08,125 And then the airplane started to cartwheel. 377 00:22:13,833 --> 00:22:15,375 Then I must have passed out 378 00:22:15,458 --> 00:22:17,750 because maybe a minute later, I came back. 379 00:22:17,833 --> 00:22:20,208 I was laying 100 feet from the airplane. 380 00:22:20,291 --> 00:22:22,625 Dust was still in the... in the air. 381 00:22:22,708 --> 00:22:23,875 It was very, very quiet. 382 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,500 Of course,I crawled out real quickly, and then I... 383 00:22:26,541 --> 00:22:29,000 ran towards the jungle to get away. 384 00:22:43,333 --> 00:22:46,000 You know, many times people ask me if I was afraid, 385 00:22:46,083 --> 00:22:49,375 if there was fear when I was shot down. 386 00:22:49,458 --> 00:22:51,291 There really is no time. 387 00:22:51,375 --> 00:22:53,458 I had to unstrap. I had to drop my fuel tanks. 388 00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:54,416 I had to find... 389 00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:56,166 I had to put the airplane in a small clearing. 390 00:22:56,250 --> 00:22:58,875 It was extremely difficult to fly this airplane. 391 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,041 There was no time to have fear. 392 00:23:01,125 --> 00:23:03,916 And then later on it's just like on an aircraft carrier. 393 00:23:04,041 --> 00:23:05,000 3:00 in the morning, 394 00:23:05,083 --> 00:23:06,875 you're flying through this monsoon rain. 395 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,083 It's really not a rain, 396 00:23:08,166 --> 00:23:09,875 it's a waterfall that you're shooting through 397 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,500 at 80 feet over the water, 398 00:23:11,541 --> 00:23:14,500 200 mph, trying to find the aircraft carrier. 399 00:23:14,541 --> 00:23:16,916 You have only contact through your headset 400 00:23:17,041 --> 00:23:18,416 with the operator on the ship. 401 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:20,875 It's total darkness. 402 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,250 Then, finally there's this enormous bang 403 00:23:23,333 --> 00:23:25,000 as you hit the back of the aircraft carrier 404 00:23:25,083 --> 00:23:26,208 on your landing. 405 00:23:26,291 --> 00:23:27,833 Then, as you pull over to the side... 406 00:23:27,916 --> 00:23:29,625 as I turned my engine off... 407 00:23:29,708 --> 00:23:33,166 The engine would spin down. It would go... 408 00:23:33,250 --> 00:23:34,375 Spin down. Then, my legs... 409 00:23:34,458 --> 00:23:36,416 that's the time when my legs start shaking. 410 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:38,208 They would shake and shake and shake, 411 00:23:38,291 --> 00:23:40,333 and I'm trying to hold them, I couldn't even hold them. 412 00:23:40,416 --> 00:23:42,833 I would some time have to sit in cockpit for five minutes 413 00:23:42,916 --> 00:23:44,375 before I could crawl out. 414 00:23:44,458 --> 00:23:45,916 And ironically... 415 00:23:46,041 --> 00:23:49,708 later on, just before dying, there is no more fear. 416 00:23:49,791 --> 00:23:51,166 It's like a dream. 417 00:23:51,250 --> 00:23:54,750 It's just like floating along in a real thick medium. 418 00:23:54,833 --> 00:23:57,541 I used to pinch myself, there was no more pain. 419 00:23:57,625 --> 00:24:00,250 And I thought, "Is this real? Is this unreal?" 420 00:24:00,333 --> 00:24:02,041 This. This is... 421 00:24:02,125 --> 00:24:06,083 This is basically what death looks like to me. 422 00:24:06,833 --> 00:24:10,583 ♪♪ 423 00:24:41,125 --> 00:24:44,208 Two days after I was shot down, I was captured. 424 00:24:44,291 --> 00:24:47,125 I did the unforgivable, I crossed a small clearing. 425 00:24:47,208 --> 00:24:49,625 I came out of the thick jungle... 426 00:24:49,708 --> 00:24:50,875 I came to a small trail. 427 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,333 I looked to the left, I looked to the right. 428 00:24:52,458 --> 00:24:54,458 There was no one there. I went to run across. 429 00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:56,041 I was at about ten yards out of it, 430 00:24:56,125 --> 00:24:57,166 and someone yelled. 431 00:24:57,250 --> 00:24:58,583 I turned to the right. 432 00:24:58,666 --> 00:25:00,416 There's a guy standing there with a pistol, 433 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:02,125 another guy was standing there with a rifle. 434 00:25:02,208 --> 00:25:03,375 My hands shot in the air. 435 00:25:03,458 --> 00:25:05,791 I yelled in German, "Nicht schießen! Nicht schießen!" 436 00:25:05,875 --> 00:25:08,208 Right away I was surrounded by six other guys. 437 00:25:08,291 --> 00:25:10,083 They stripped of my clothes, I was searched. 438 00:25:10,166 --> 00:25:11,375 They took everything away. 439 00:25:11,458 --> 00:25:13,416 They bandaged my left leg with bamboo, 440 00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:15,000 because I hurt that in the crash. 441 00:25:15,083 --> 00:25:17,708 And then we started to run. We ran and ran. 442 00:25:17,791 --> 00:25:20,416 Every so often I would collapse. They would massage my leg. 443 00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:22,333 They would give me... some water. 444 00:25:22,416 --> 00:25:25,333 And then later in the evening, underneath a cluster of trees... 445 00:25:25,416 --> 00:25:26,500 so the airplanes couldn't see us. 446 00:25:26,541 --> 00:25:30,166 Normally... they took four pegs in the ground, 447 00:25:30,250 --> 00:25:31,583 I would have to lay on the ground. 448 00:25:31,666 --> 00:25:32,833 They would tie my ankles to the pegs, 449 00:25:32,916 --> 00:25:35,000 and they would tie my hands to the pegs. 450 00:25:54,875 --> 00:25:58,625 In his dreams, Dengler would walk through an airport. 451 00:25:58,708 --> 00:26:02,583 He was going to fly back home to the Black Forest. 452 00:26:02,666 --> 00:26:06,541 But all the planes had been smashed to pieces. 453 00:26:08,916 --> 00:26:11,833 Yet, he knew that the pieces would start to move 454 00:26:11,916 --> 00:26:16,125 and to reassemble themselves again into real planes, 455 00:26:16,208 --> 00:26:19,375 as a broken coffee cup in the film "Play it Backwards" 456 00:26:19,458 --> 00:26:23,583 puts itself together and leaps back up on the table. 457 00:26:26,666 --> 00:26:29,000 I was sure that my flight would be on time. 458 00:26:29,083 --> 00:26:32,208 But then, the pieces of the plane didn't jump back together, 459 00:26:32,291 --> 00:26:33,500 as I had expected. 460 00:26:33,541 --> 00:26:36,041 And I grew more and more horrified. 461 00:26:36,125 --> 00:26:37,750 And I was glad when I finally woke up 462 00:26:37,833 --> 00:26:40,750 and found myself bitten by mosquitos. 463 00:26:41,416 --> 00:26:42,666 In the mornings, I'd wake up, 464 00:26:42,750 --> 00:26:44,291 and a lot of times I couldn't even see 465 00:26:44,375 --> 00:26:46,541 because the mosquitos had eaten, had stung, 466 00:26:46,625 --> 00:26:50,333 and my face was all swollen up. 467 00:26:50,416 --> 00:26:52,583 Then we just walked, for days and days like that. 468 00:26:52,666 --> 00:26:54,500 There were a lot of airplanes in the air. 469 00:26:54,583 --> 00:26:56,791 They were looking for me, my buddies. 470 00:26:56,875 --> 00:26:59,083 And I need to make a signal. 471 00:26:59,166 --> 00:27:01,416 I need to have some kind of device to signal to them. 472 00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:05,458 And luckily at one time I spotted a small survival mirror 473 00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:08,583 in the tobacco pouch of one of my guards. 474 00:27:08,666 --> 00:27:10,166 I hung around these guards all the time, 475 00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:11,750 because sometimes we would walk... 476 00:27:11,833 --> 00:27:14,500 late in the evening. It was total dark. 477 00:27:14,583 --> 00:27:18,625 My hands were tied. A guard would be in front of me. 478 00:27:18,708 --> 00:27:21,083 My hands would be tied, they would go over his shoulder. 479 00:27:21,166 --> 00:27:22,625 Here, I had the right guard in front of me, 480 00:27:22,708 --> 00:27:24,500 and very carefully, ever so carefully, 481 00:27:24,583 --> 00:27:26,583 I opened his pocket, and I took this box out... 482 00:27:26,666 --> 00:27:28,583 Dengler succeeded in stealing the mirror, 483 00:27:28,666 --> 00:27:31,791 and for the first time he spent the night in a hut. 484 00:27:31,875 --> 00:27:34,833 My legs and my ankles would be tied together with a rope. 485 00:27:34,916 --> 00:27:36,833 The rope would go down, there would be a peg in the ground. 486 00:27:36,916 --> 00:27:39,333 That's where I would be tied up. They would feed me up here. 487 00:27:39,416 --> 00:27:42,375 Then when the sleeping time came, I would then lay down. 488 00:27:42,458 --> 00:27:43,708 A guard would be on my right. 489 00:27:43,791 --> 00:27:46,541 A guard would be on my left. There would be rifles there. 490 00:27:46,625 --> 00:27:50,083 And that night, I woke about 11:00-12:00 in the morning 491 00:27:50,166 --> 00:27:51,666 because it was bitter, bitter cold. 492 00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:53,375 They were snoring so loud. I got up. 493 00:27:53,458 --> 00:27:56,500 I knew that it was the right time. I kicked my... 494 00:27:56,583 --> 00:27:59,666 legs up two or three times really hard. The peg gave way. 495 00:27:59,750 --> 00:28:01,208 I came up, I untied my legs slowly. 496 00:28:01,291 --> 00:28:02,833 I came forward to the edge, 497 00:28:02,916 --> 00:28:05,500 and very carefully I let myself down to the edge. 498 00:28:05,583 --> 00:28:07,208 Just when I hit the bottom, 499 00:28:07,291 --> 00:28:09,250 the pigs and the dogs and the chickens ran off. 500 00:28:09,333 --> 00:28:10,875 There was a hell of a racket. I quickly went back up. 501 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,083 I laid down again. I didn't move. 502 00:28:13,166 --> 00:28:15,333 They kept on snoring, nobody noticed. 503 00:28:15,416 --> 00:28:16,666 I tried it one more time. 504 00:28:16,750 --> 00:28:19,375 And then I was free. I was in the jungle... 505 00:28:19,458 --> 00:28:21,625 but I couldn't move because it was so thick. 506 00:28:21,708 --> 00:28:23,208 But my target was a mountain. 507 00:28:23,291 --> 00:28:24,916 A coarse mountain just like that. 508 00:28:25,041 --> 00:28:26,291 And that's what I was heading for. 509 00:28:26,375 --> 00:28:27,416 I'd seen that in the moonlight, 510 00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:30,666 but I didn't realize it was a coarse mountain. 511 00:28:30,750 --> 00:28:32,541 There was crevices after crevice. 512 00:28:32,625 --> 00:28:34,333 There was very, very sharp rock. 513 00:28:34,416 --> 00:28:36,750 It was very, very difficult to go up to this rock. 514 00:28:36,833 --> 00:28:39,125 I finally got on top, there was no vegetation on top. 515 00:28:39,208 --> 00:28:42,208 That day nothing came. They had stopped looking for me. 516 00:28:42,291 --> 00:28:43,375 Not a single airplane. 517 00:28:43,458 --> 00:28:46,250 The only thing that really came was the sun. And it got hot. 518 00:28:46,333 --> 00:28:47,458 I didn't count on that 519 00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:49,375 because I was for the last two weeks in the jungle. 520 00:28:49,458 --> 00:28:50,708 And it was cool down there, 521 00:28:50,791 --> 00:28:53,375 and I was already getting delirious, and I was... 522 00:28:53,458 --> 00:28:55,666 I saw all those... 523 00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:57,875 It was just terrible up there. And finally... 524 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,833 I decided to work my way down 525 00:28:59,916 --> 00:29:02,500 from this hill towards a waterhole. I had saw... 526 00:29:02,583 --> 00:29:05,166 seen a stinking waterhole at the bottom of this hill, 527 00:29:05,250 --> 00:29:06,375 and that was my target, 528 00:29:06,458 --> 00:29:08,458 because I knew water was the only thing 529 00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:09,625 that would make me survive. 530 00:29:14,541 --> 00:29:17,166 His guards knew where to find him. 531 00:29:17,291 --> 00:29:20,000 The moment he started to drink the putrid water, 532 00:29:20,083 --> 00:29:22,250 they were all over him. 533 00:29:23,250 --> 00:29:26,208 From then on, the torture began. 534 00:29:26,458 --> 00:29:28,208 They would hang him upside down 535 00:29:28,291 --> 00:29:30,375 and put an ant nest over his face 536 00:29:30,458 --> 00:29:32,916 until he lost consciousness. 537 00:29:35,208 --> 00:29:36,333 For several nights, 538 00:29:36,416 --> 00:29:39,541 they suspended him into a well shaft, in such a way 539 00:29:39,625 --> 00:29:43,041 that he almost died a slow death from drowning. 540 00:29:43,125 --> 00:29:45,541 But he was worth more to them alive. 541 00:29:45,625 --> 00:29:48,250 He was their prized possession. 542 00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:52,500 And all of a sudden we came out of the jungle into an open area. 543 00:29:52,583 --> 00:29:54,333 A real red-dusted area, 544 00:29:54,416 --> 00:29:56,500 there were about 30 guards standing there. 545 00:29:56,583 --> 00:29:58,000 They had formed a circle. 546 00:29:58,083 --> 00:29:59,666 I was dragged into the center of the circle, 547 00:29:59,750 --> 00:30:02,333 and two North Vietnamese guys were standing there. 548 00:30:02,458 --> 00:30:04,583 They had their caps on, the red stars on it. 549 00:30:04,666 --> 00:30:07,708 They had khaki uniforms on. They started yelling and screaming... 550 00:30:07,791 --> 00:30:09,416 and start kicking me... 551 00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:11,541 And all of a sudden one of the guards 552 00:30:11,625 --> 00:30:13,833 came across the circle, walked towards me. 553 00:30:13,916 --> 00:30:16,000 He had his rifle in his hand. The butt first. 554 00:30:16,083 --> 00:30:18,125 And he came towards me, he hesitated a couple of times. 555 00:30:18,208 --> 00:30:20,333 He swung towards me. I moved my head. 556 00:30:20,416 --> 00:30:22,750 He hit me in the shoulder, knocked me down on my back. 557 00:30:22,833 --> 00:30:24,000 The gun went off. 558 00:30:24,083 --> 00:30:26,166 And I clearly remember looking across, 559 00:30:26,250 --> 00:30:28,625 another one of the guards closed his eyes, 560 00:30:28,708 --> 00:30:30,583 fell backwards over. 561 00:30:30,666 --> 00:30:32,708 He had no shirt on, he had just a loincloth on. 562 00:30:32,791 --> 00:30:35,416 I saw the blood coming out just above his kidneys. 563 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,875 His buddy saw that, he took his gun, 564 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,250 started shooting at this guy who shot this guy. 565 00:30:40,333 --> 00:30:43,250 I'm laying on the ground. All of a sudden bullets are flying. 566 00:30:43,333 --> 00:30:45,583 There's screaming and yelling. They had forgotten about me. 567 00:30:45,666 --> 00:30:47,541 I thought it was the end of me. I closed my eyes. 568 00:30:47,625 --> 00:30:50,125 I waited for... I waited to be shot myself. 569 00:30:50,208 --> 00:30:52,041 I closed my eyes. I looked over. 570 00:30:52,125 --> 00:30:54,708 I saw someone wrap a loincloth around this guy's waist. 571 00:30:54,791 --> 00:30:56,541 You know, it was natural for them 572 00:30:56,625 --> 00:30:58,416 to be really angry at me now. 573 00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:00,625 I had escaped from them, they had lost face, 574 00:31:00,708 --> 00:31:03,291 and they really wanted to get even. 575 00:31:03,375 --> 00:31:04,500 Whenever we were near the village, 576 00:31:04,583 --> 00:31:06,250 that's when they really became aggressive. 577 00:31:06,333 --> 00:31:07,750 They had this new idea. 578 00:31:07,833 --> 00:31:10,041 My legs were tied up, my arms were tied up, 579 00:31:10,125 --> 00:31:11,125 my hands were tied up. 580 00:31:11,208 --> 00:31:14,083 I was tied behind a water buffalo. 581 00:31:14,166 --> 00:31:15,583 They'd hit the water buffalo with a stick. 582 00:31:15,666 --> 00:31:17,750 He'd start taking off. I was hoping behind it. 583 00:31:17,833 --> 00:31:20,458 I was trying to keep my balance, but pretty soon I fell over. 584 00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:22,625 A couple, two or three of the guards, 585 00:31:22,708 --> 00:31:24,750 the bad ones kept walking to the right and left. 586 00:31:24,833 --> 00:31:27,541 They were kicking me in the face with the dust all the time. 587 00:31:27,625 --> 00:31:30,208 They were kicking me-- other guys would jump to my back. 588 00:31:30,291 --> 00:31:31,541 The kids were laughing. 589 00:31:31,625 --> 00:31:34,083 They thought it was just a lot of fun. 590 00:31:34,166 --> 00:31:36,541 Later on, they wanted me to sign something 591 00:31:36,625 --> 00:31:38,875 condemning the American aggression in Vietnam. 592 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,916 I didn't sign it. I didn't believe in it. 593 00:31:42,041 --> 00:31:44,625 They came up with this idea. They stuck small, little... 594 00:31:44,708 --> 00:31:49,291 pieces of bamboo underneath my fingernails. They cut my arms. 595 00:31:50,333 --> 00:31:52,666 They put pieces of bamboo, actually they stuck it in there, 596 00:31:52,750 --> 00:31:54,416 and they left a piece of bamboo in there. 597 00:31:55,375 --> 00:31:57,291 They cut here. They cut here. 598 00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:59,333 They cut here. 599 00:31:59,458 --> 00:32:02,333 At various different places. Then one guy had this idea, 600 00:32:02,458 --> 00:32:05,625 they'd put this rope around my upper arm. 601 00:32:05,708 --> 00:32:07,500 Like a tourniquet, they put a piece of wood in there 602 00:32:07,583 --> 00:32:08,625 and twisted and twisted it, 603 00:32:08,708 --> 00:32:10,791 until the nerves were cutting against the bone. 604 00:32:10,875 --> 00:32:12,041 My hand would drop, 605 00:32:12,125 --> 00:32:15,291 and this hand was completely unusable for six months. 606 00:32:16,375 --> 00:32:18,541 They were just always thinking of something to do to me. 607 00:32:23,083 --> 00:32:25,875 It's Christmas time in my home town in Germany. 608 00:32:26,666 --> 00:32:29,333 It's beautiful, all the decorations... 609 00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:31,916 It's like a Christmas calendar. 610 00:32:32,541 --> 00:32:35,000 But many, many years before, during the Nazi time, 611 00:32:35,083 --> 00:32:36,458 it was a different story. 612 00:32:36,750 --> 00:32:38,125 In fact, in this town, 613 00:32:38,208 --> 00:32:40,416 100% of the people voted for Hitler. 614 00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:43,500 Except one person: my grandfather. 615 00:32:44,583 --> 00:32:46,000 He was picked up at the house. 616 00:32:46,083 --> 00:32:49,833 They hung signs around his neck, saying that he was a traitor. 617 00:32:50,208 --> 00:32:52,125 The parade on tinseltown. 618 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:56,500 There was a fanfare of drums and trumpets. 619 00:32:56,541 --> 00:32:59,541 People spat out of the windows, water was poured on him. 620 00:32:59,625 --> 00:33:00,875 And he feared for his life, 621 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,625 he thought he was not going to live through it. 622 00:33:02,708 --> 00:33:04,291 And for me, 30 years later, 623 00:33:04,375 --> 00:33:07,125 when I was a pilot in Vietnam, I was a prisoner. 624 00:33:07,208 --> 00:33:08,333 I was tortured, 625 00:33:08,416 --> 00:33:10,166 and they wanted me to sign a piece of paper saying 626 00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:13,083 that I condemned the American action in Vietnam. 627 00:33:13,166 --> 00:33:15,625 And I was strong enough not to do that. 628 00:33:15,708 --> 00:33:18,166 Many times this strength came through my grandfather. 629 00:33:18,250 --> 00:33:19,500 I was thinking of him... 630 00:33:19,583 --> 00:33:21,750 and if he could do it, so could I do it. 631 00:33:32,708 --> 00:33:36,041 This feels a little bit too close to home. 632 00:33:43,708 --> 00:33:46,458 Of course, Dieter knew it was only a film, 633 00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:51,375 but all the old terror returned as if it were real. 634 00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:55,333 I thought, "You guys behind me with your camera 635 00:33:55,416 --> 00:33:56,750 can only see my back, 636 00:33:56,833 --> 00:34:00,458 but you can't know how my heart is thumping inside." 637 00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:03,375 I told myself, "Okay, play along with them." 638 00:34:03,458 --> 00:34:07,083 "Running like this might chase the demons away." 639 00:34:07,666 --> 00:34:12,208 ♪♪ 640 00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:39,500 Almost everything that I learned in survival school back at... 641 00:34:39,541 --> 00:34:42,333 in California, I couldn't use in the jungle. 642 00:34:42,458 --> 00:34:44,500 I watched my guards, they taught me a lot. 643 00:34:44,583 --> 00:34:47,625 They taught me how to set traps. They taught me how to make fire. 644 00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:51,458 In the jungle, it's quite easy to find an old piece of bamboo. 645 00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:54,333 Which is right here. You split it in half. 646 00:34:54,541 --> 00:34:57,000 And then you mount... half... 647 00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:58,583 in a vertical position. 648 00:34:58,666 --> 00:35:00,583 You take four or five sticks and just... 649 00:35:00,666 --> 00:35:04,083 to hold it into place. Then you take the other half. 650 00:35:04,166 --> 00:35:06,041 And you need to cut a grove in the other one, 651 00:35:06,125 --> 00:35:07,000 from the top. 652 00:35:07,083 --> 00:35:08,625 Cut this grove just far enough in, 653 00:35:08,708 --> 00:35:11,500 so it just barely comes back on the other side. 654 00:35:12,333 --> 00:35:15,750 Then you take a machete... or anything else, 655 00:35:15,833 --> 00:35:19,125 and you make some... scrapings of the bamboo. 656 00:35:19,208 --> 00:35:21,666 As you can see, it looks like a little wool. 657 00:35:21,833 --> 00:35:23,791 Now, I have prepared this a little bit already, 658 00:35:23,875 --> 00:35:25,750 but you take this wool... 659 00:35:26,125 --> 00:35:29,916 and you put it over this crack, then you start rubbing. 660 00:35:37,791 --> 00:35:39,666 Okay. 661 00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:56,333 Being a prisoner, all of Dengler's thoughts 662 00:35:56,416 --> 00:35:59,916 were focused on another escape, and on survival. 663 00:36:00,041 --> 00:36:01,333 Back in the mid-'60s, 664 00:36:01,416 --> 00:36:04,583 American strategic thinking was turned against Russia. 665 00:36:04,666 --> 00:36:09,166 So, all survival meant survival in Russia and Siberia. 666 00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:12,208 A jungle war didn't factor much in their thinking. 667 00:36:12,291 --> 00:36:14,916 And that's why their instructional films 668 00:36:15,041 --> 00:36:17,041 look somewhat funny. 669 00:36:22,375 --> 00:36:24,375 You know, when it rained that hard, 670 00:36:24,458 --> 00:36:27,000 you didn't have to collect water. 671 00:36:30,125 --> 00:36:34,666 Of course, our man immediately comes across heart of palm. 672 00:36:34,750 --> 00:36:38,916 The film hints, as easily as in the supermarket. 673 00:36:45,458 --> 00:36:48,125 Very important is... that you have got a knife. 674 00:36:48,708 --> 00:36:53,500 Of course, our man also has his whetstone on him. 675 00:36:54,416 --> 00:36:57,000 And you better look hard for the enemy. 676 00:36:58,791 --> 00:37:01,541 ♪♪ 677 00:37:08,375 --> 00:37:11,583 And now, the knife seems to be sharp as a razor. 678 00:37:11,666 --> 00:37:14,583 You've got to put it to the test. 679 00:37:14,666 --> 00:37:17,750 A leaf should slice easily in two. 680 00:37:18,666 --> 00:37:21,458 Now, if the leaf doesn't cooperate, 681 00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:24,041 you can still chew it. 682 00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:35,333 Let's suppose you are wounded. 683 00:37:35,416 --> 00:37:39,458 It's always smart to have your medicine kit on you. 684 00:37:43,583 --> 00:37:46,000 You apply the right ointment. 685 00:37:47,208 --> 00:37:51,208 Rub it in, sleeve down, and done. 686 00:37:52,291 --> 00:37:56,916 And it's a good idea to bring your radio transmitter along. 687 00:37:57,041 --> 00:38:00,500 You make your position known to the planes above. 688 00:38:04,791 --> 00:38:07,500 And then you shoot a flare. 689 00:38:09,541 --> 00:38:11,833 The rescue helicopter spot it, 690 00:38:11,916 --> 00:38:14,916 and you better scramble for a clearing. 691 00:38:18,166 --> 00:38:20,500 The helicopter is already waiting. 692 00:38:20,541 --> 00:38:22,666 But now, this is very odd. 693 00:38:22,750 --> 00:38:25,500 What for God's sake is our man signaling 694 00:38:25,666 --> 00:38:27,166 so frantically to the helicopter 695 00:38:27,333 --> 00:38:28,666 right above him? 696 00:38:30,750 --> 00:38:36,000 ♪♪ 697 00:39:00,250 --> 00:39:02,291 As we were walking through the jungle, 698 00:39:02,375 --> 00:39:04,250 we always had fire with us. 699 00:39:04,333 --> 00:39:07,291 One of our guards had this little container on wires. 700 00:39:07,375 --> 00:39:08,500 It was full of charcoal. 701 00:39:08,541 --> 00:39:11,000 He would swing it back and forth, so it wouldn't go out. 702 00:39:11,083 --> 00:39:14,125 Some of the other guards would have a fan made out of bamboo. 703 00:39:14,208 --> 00:39:17,208 They would cut it on top with a machete, 704 00:39:17,291 --> 00:39:19,458 then they would beat it flat with a rock. 705 00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:20,791 They knew exactly what rind to cut, 706 00:39:20,875 --> 00:39:22,333 some white sap would come out. 707 00:39:22,416 --> 00:39:23,375 It was really sticky, 708 00:39:23,458 --> 00:39:25,000 they would smear it all over the surface here. 709 00:39:25,083 --> 00:39:26,750 And as we were walking along, 710 00:39:26,833 --> 00:39:29,000 they would just see a small or a big bug 711 00:39:29,083 --> 00:39:30,791 way up on a branch or on a leaf. 712 00:39:30,875 --> 00:39:32,708 They would reach up very carefully, 713 00:39:32,791 --> 00:39:35,041 and the wings of this bug would stick on it. 714 00:39:35,125 --> 00:39:36,291 They would take it off, 715 00:39:36,375 --> 00:39:38,250 and they would lay it on top of this charcoal. 716 00:39:38,333 --> 00:39:39,500 And it was-- we were walking along, 717 00:39:39,541 --> 00:39:40,875 they were barbecuing all the time. 718 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,458 In fact, one time I turned around, 719 00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:44,083 and they had a small bird barbecuing. 720 00:39:44,166 --> 00:39:47,125 When we got there in the evening, they weren't hungry. 721 00:40:09,666 --> 00:40:10,833 I was shot down over Laos, 722 00:40:10,916 --> 00:40:13,083 and of course I was captured by the Pathet Lao. 723 00:40:13,166 --> 00:40:15,250 We started walking towards the east, towards Vietnam, 724 00:40:15,333 --> 00:40:18,416 and about 2 1/2 weeks later, I was turned over to the Vietcong. 725 00:40:19,083 --> 00:40:21,791 Even though later on I was kept in a Pathet Lao camp, 726 00:40:21,875 --> 00:40:22,916 it was clear to me 727 00:40:23,041 --> 00:40:25,833 that the North Vietnamese were running the show. 728 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,416 They were a different breed of people. 729 00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:29,541 I was frightened of them. 730 00:40:29,625 --> 00:40:32,375 They were very, very honest. They were very, very precise. 731 00:40:32,458 --> 00:40:35,041 When I walked with them, we would come into a village... 732 00:40:35,125 --> 00:40:36,500 They would line up all the people. 733 00:40:36,583 --> 00:40:37,750 They would count the people. 734 00:40:37,833 --> 00:40:39,250 They would write down the name of the village. 735 00:40:39,333 --> 00:40:41,791 They would look at their watches, it would be 7:28. 736 00:40:41,875 --> 00:40:43,291 They would know the time. 737 00:40:43,375 --> 00:40:45,625 They would tie me down different at night. 738 00:40:45,708 --> 00:40:48,458 There was no chance that I could escape. 739 00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:51,500 In fact, there is one incident that's very vivid in my mind. 740 00:40:51,541 --> 00:40:53,625 Initially, when I was captured... 741 00:40:53,708 --> 00:40:55,625 they took everything away from me... 742 00:40:55,708 --> 00:40:57,000 except my engagement ring. 743 00:40:57,083 --> 00:40:59,375 I insisted on keeping it, and they let me have it. 744 00:41:00,416 --> 00:41:02,833 And here, about 2 1/2 or 3 weeks later, 745 00:41:02,916 --> 00:41:04,250 we arrived in this village. 746 00:41:04,333 --> 00:41:07,833 We came to a hut, it just looked something like this. 747 00:41:07,916 --> 00:41:11,000 There was a villager in the corner, he was cooking. 748 00:41:11,083 --> 00:41:12,500 Next thing, he's next to me. 749 00:41:12,583 --> 00:41:13,916 He gave me a plate of rice. 750 00:41:14,041 --> 00:41:17,416 He smiled at me, he was very friendly. 751 00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:19,541 All of a sudden, he grabs over, he grabs my hand. 752 00:41:19,625 --> 00:41:22,291 He gets a hold of my ring, and he starts pulling my ring off. 753 00:41:22,375 --> 00:41:23,500 And, of course, I'm pulling back. 754 00:41:23,583 --> 00:41:25,583 And it's going back and forth, and back and forth like that. 755 00:41:25,666 --> 00:41:28,250 There was no way this guy's gonna get my ring. 756 00:41:28,333 --> 00:41:31,375 He got up, he left. I thought it was all over. 757 00:41:31,458 --> 00:41:32,875 All of a sudden, a few seconds later, 758 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,333 he's coming back with a machete. 759 00:41:34,416 --> 00:41:35,541 He raises his arm. 760 00:41:35,625 --> 00:41:38,666 I realized then I better let him have my ring. 761 00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:41,916 The North Vietnamese, they were in a corner. 762 00:41:42,041 --> 00:41:43,291 They were doing something over there, 763 00:41:43,375 --> 00:41:45,041 they were not aware what was happening. 764 00:41:45,125 --> 00:41:46,208 They got up. 765 00:41:46,291 --> 00:41:49,000 Got our stuff together, and off we went, we left. 766 00:41:49,083 --> 00:41:50,083 I was disappointed. 767 00:41:50,166 --> 00:41:53,375 I was unhappy. And the longer we walked, the angrier I get. 768 00:41:53,458 --> 00:41:55,916 And about 1 1/2 or 2 hours later, I stopped them, 769 00:41:56,041 --> 00:41:57,333 I showed them my finger, 770 00:41:57,416 --> 00:41:59,375 it was all white where the ring had been. 771 00:41:59,458 --> 00:42:02,791 At first, they didn't understand what I was talking about. 772 00:42:02,875 --> 00:42:06,291 I made stealing gestures. They got together, they talked. 773 00:42:06,375 --> 00:42:07,333 Then they turned around 774 00:42:07,416 --> 00:42:08,750 and started walking back towards this village. 775 00:42:08,833 --> 00:42:10,333 Of course, I was happy. 776 00:42:10,416 --> 00:42:12,083 I was thinking I'm getting my ring back. 777 00:42:12,166 --> 00:42:14,250 But I wasn't prepared for what happened next. 778 00:42:14,333 --> 00:42:16,416 We got in this village... 779 00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:17,875 Next thing, they find this villager, 780 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,625 they just beat the hell out of this guy. 781 00:42:19,708 --> 00:42:21,291 And then, they grabbed this guy's hand. 782 00:42:21,375 --> 00:42:23,083 Violently they grabbed his hand. 783 00:42:23,166 --> 00:42:25,458 They put it on top of the table, they put his finger there. 784 00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:27,083 They chopped his finger off! 785 00:42:27,166 --> 00:42:29,291 I'm leaping back! The blood is squirting out! 786 00:42:29,375 --> 00:42:31,750 The... finger's laying on the ground. 787 00:42:31,833 --> 00:42:34,583 The North Vietnamese bends down, he picks up this finger. 788 00:42:34,708 --> 00:42:38,083 He pulls off this ring, he sticks it on my finger. 789 00:42:38,166 --> 00:42:39,125 I was speechless. 790 00:42:39,208 --> 00:42:41,250 I caused this misery, I felt horrible. 791 00:42:41,333 --> 00:42:44,500 He nodded to me, we turned around, we walked off. 792 00:42:45,625 --> 00:42:47,416 I realized right then and there, 793 00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:49,500 you just don't fool around with the Vietcongs. 794 00:42:51,791 --> 00:42:54,291 It's just a movie. Don't worry about it. 795 00:42:54,416 --> 00:42:57,458 And you still got your fingers and everything. 796 00:43:31,125 --> 00:43:34,666 Finally, after 3 1/2 weeks, I arrived at a prison camp. 797 00:43:35,708 --> 00:43:37,125 I looked forward to coming to the camp. 798 00:43:37,208 --> 00:43:38,416 I had been beaten so much. 799 00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:39,750 I had lost so much blood. 800 00:43:39,833 --> 00:43:41,250 I had been unconscious so many times. 801 00:43:41,333 --> 00:43:43,458 I wanted to share my misery with someone else. 802 00:43:43,541 --> 00:43:44,833 Other pilots. 803 00:43:44,916 --> 00:43:46,291 I was hoping to see someone, 804 00:43:46,375 --> 00:43:48,250 maybe meet someone that I've known before. 805 00:43:48,333 --> 00:43:49,500 Maybe a doctor would be there, 806 00:43:49,583 --> 00:43:52,166 but it was totally different than what I expected. 807 00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:53,750 First of all, I thought I was all alone 808 00:43:53,833 --> 00:43:55,541 in this...this camp. 809 00:43:55,625 --> 00:43:57,708 High bamboo walls on the side. 810 00:43:57,791 --> 00:44:00,500 The huts were built out of grass and out of bamboo. 811 00:44:00,583 --> 00:44:02,666 I was let in, they threw me into one of the huts. 812 00:44:02,750 --> 00:44:05,000 And only three hours later they opened the door 813 00:44:05,083 --> 00:44:06,500 and let the other guys come out. 814 00:44:06,583 --> 00:44:07,750 I couldn't believe my eyes, 815 00:44:07,833 --> 00:44:10,500 the first guy was carrying his intestines around in his hand. 816 00:44:10,583 --> 00:44:11,708 There was six of them. 817 00:44:11,791 --> 00:44:13,250 There were four Thais, two Americans... 818 00:44:13,333 --> 00:44:16,250 Duane Martin, who became my friend later on. 819 00:44:16,333 --> 00:44:18,000 The next guy came out, he had no teeth. 820 00:44:18,083 --> 00:44:19,208 With a rusty nail and a rock 821 00:44:19,291 --> 00:44:21,000 they would knock each other's teeth in. 822 00:44:21,083 --> 00:44:23,708 ...to let the puss out. They'd been there 2 1/2 years. 823 00:44:23,791 --> 00:44:26,125 It was just awful. I looked at them, and I realized, 824 00:44:26,208 --> 00:44:28,166 that's exactly what I'm gonna look in six months. 825 00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:29,625 So, I said, "I'm leaving tonight." 826 00:44:29,708 --> 00:44:32,666 No. I was advised not to because of the rain. 827 00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:34,333 We needed the water to drink. 828 00:44:34,416 --> 00:44:36,208 At nights, we would be handcuffed. 829 00:44:36,291 --> 00:44:38,583 Sometimes we would get cross-handcuffed, 830 00:44:38,666 --> 00:44:39,916 sometimes straight-handcuffed. 831 00:44:40,041 --> 00:44:42,041 Cross-handcuffed, this is a more modern handcuff, 832 00:44:42,125 --> 00:44:43,125 would be like that. 833 00:44:43,208 --> 00:44:44,333 Left wrist would go 834 00:44:44,416 --> 00:44:46,666 to the right wrist of the guy on my right. 835 00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:47,916 My right wrist would go 836 00:44:48,041 --> 00:44:49,708 to the left wrist of the guy on my left. 837 00:44:49,791 --> 00:44:52,375 This way we'd be together. Everybody had dysentery. 838 00:44:52,458 --> 00:44:54,541 20 times a night, this guy made the motion, 839 00:44:54,625 --> 00:44:56,000 this guy had to make the motion. 840 00:44:56,083 --> 00:44:58,375 On top of it, our legs were in foot blocks, 841 00:44:58,458 --> 00:44:59,583 big wooden blocks they made. 842 00:44:59,666 --> 00:45:01,500 Our feet would be driven through there, 843 00:45:01,583 --> 00:45:02,666 a pin would come in-between. 844 00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:05,625 Some sides were be longer, sometimes it would be shorter. 845 00:45:05,708 --> 00:45:07,833 And this is the way they expected you to sleep. 846 00:45:07,916 --> 00:45:09,583 If you had no blankets, it was miserable cold. 847 00:45:12,250 --> 00:45:14,333 In the misery of those nights, 848 00:45:14,416 --> 00:45:19,208 Dengler often dreamt of oceans and foreign shores. 849 00:45:23,833 --> 00:45:26,208 And I dreamt that a boat appeared. 850 00:45:26,291 --> 00:45:29,458 And the whole American Navy came to rescue me. 851 00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:33,375 And I waved. And I shouted. But they wouldn't listen. 852 00:45:33,458 --> 00:45:36,833 They just kept on going and went somewhere else. 853 00:45:37,791 --> 00:45:41,291 ♪♪ 854 00:46:06,291 --> 00:46:08,291 As far as food, they themselves were very poor. 855 00:46:08,375 --> 00:46:10,375 At the beginning, we were given a handful of rice, 856 00:46:10,458 --> 00:46:14,041 then later on a handful of rice for all of us. 857 00:46:14,125 --> 00:46:16,333 Sometimes they would catch a deer. 858 00:46:16,416 --> 00:46:17,666 They would cut a deer open, 859 00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:19,333 they would take the grass out from the inside. 860 00:46:19,416 --> 00:46:21,833 That's what we would get to eat. 861 00:46:21,916 --> 00:46:22,916 They would keep the meat. 862 00:46:23,041 --> 00:46:25,416 They would take the meat and stuff it in a bamboo container. 863 00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:28,416 After 4 or 5 days, it would rot so bad for themselves. 864 00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:29,875 They would come in with a towel. 865 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,125 They would pour it out, it would be white, it was covered smack, 866 00:46:32,250 --> 00:46:33,666 and it would stink to high heaven. 867 00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:35,458 First time I tried it, I vomited. 868 00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:37,625 But if you didn't eat it, you just died. 869 00:46:37,708 --> 00:46:38,625 We were lucky, though, 870 00:46:38,708 --> 00:46:40,583 because we couldn't go to the bathroom. 871 00:46:40,666 --> 00:46:42,416 So, once every 3 or 4 weeks they would let us out. 872 00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:44,166 We would go to the bathroom right below us, 873 00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:45,833 it would stink to high heaven. 874 00:46:45,916 --> 00:46:48,250 I mean it was awful, but there were rats down there. 875 00:46:48,333 --> 00:46:51,041 And we couldn't catch the rats, but there was a snake there. 876 00:46:51,125 --> 00:46:53,291 And every so often we were lucky to catch that snake. 877 00:46:53,375 --> 00:46:55,291 We would look, we would lay on our bellies, 878 00:46:55,375 --> 00:46:57,291 we watched this snake line up on the rat. 879 00:46:57,416 --> 00:46:58,750 Get a hold of the rat. 880 00:46:58,833 --> 00:47:00,458 We had a stick, we would get the snake, 881 00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:02,208 we pulled the snake up, we pulled the rat out. 882 00:47:02,291 --> 00:47:05,208 We cut the rat apart, and everybody got his share. 883 00:47:05,291 --> 00:47:07,083 We lost, of course, a lot of weight 884 00:47:07,166 --> 00:47:09,041 waiting for the rain to come. But... 885 00:47:09,125 --> 00:47:10,875 We had to supplement our food 886 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,833 for the day that we left for freedom. 887 00:47:15,166 --> 00:47:18,125 Well, initially... initially, February or March... 888 00:47:18,208 --> 00:47:20,833 we were allowed to go to the bathroom in the morning... 889 00:47:20,916 --> 00:47:22,500 for about two minutes. 890 00:47:22,583 --> 00:47:24,500 And... we had... 891 00:47:24,541 --> 00:47:28,000 We have a couple of tubes you go in at night and you can imagine, 892 00:47:28,083 --> 00:47:29,166 you're in a big block in the woods, 893 00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:30,458 and you're handcuffed like that, 894 00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:31,875 and you got to go to the bathroom at night 895 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,125 with a guy having diarrhea or dysentery. 896 00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:35,541 So, it was a real mess, 897 00:47:35,625 --> 00:47:38,541 but while we walked down, we run down like hell. 898 00:47:38,625 --> 00:47:42,291 There's about a 20- or 30-foot walk to the hole. 899 00:47:42,375 --> 00:47:45,166 And while we did this, they... they shot at us. 900 00:47:45,250 --> 00:47:48,333 And it got so close that some of the prisoners came back 901 00:47:48,416 --> 00:47:49,875 with black in the face, 902 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,750 or greased their hair with a bullet, and... 903 00:47:51,833 --> 00:47:53,916 So, we didn't even want to go anymore. 904 00:47:54,041 --> 00:47:55,625 We... we rather stayed with the tubes. 905 00:47:55,708 --> 00:47:56,875 MAN: Why were they shooting at ya? 906 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,458 MAN 2: The question is, why were they shooting at you? 907 00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:00,500 Just harassment. 908 00:48:00,541 --> 00:48:03,708 They will take a gun, and they'd show it to you, they put a... 909 00:48:03,791 --> 00:48:04,916 a round in it, 910 00:48:05,041 --> 00:48:06,708 and they put it right onto your head, and they... 911 00:48:06,791 --> 00:48:09,375 take the safety off and they go: click, click, click, click. 912 00:48:09,458 --> 00:48:14,041 And they'll laugh... Stuff like that. So... 913 00:48:14,125 --> 00:48:15,250 I'm lucky to be here! 914 00:48:17,333 --> 00:48:18,916 The camp was inside Laos, 915 00:48:19,041 --> 00:48:22,625 and the shortest way out would have been east to the ocean. 916 00:48:22,708 --> 00:48:24,541 But there were impassable mountains 917 00:48:24,625 --> 00:48:27,208 and, of course, North Vietnam. 918 00:48:28,125 --> 00:48:31,250 What made most sense for them was to go west. 919 00:48:31,333 --> 00:48:33,333 To float down the river to the Mekong, 920 00:48:33,416 --> 00:48:36,458 and then cross to freedom in Thailand. 921 00:48:43,375 --> 00:48:46,375 Our plan to escape from this prison camp was planned 922 00:48:46,458 --> 00:48:48,166 right down to the last detail. 923 00:48:48,250 --> 00:48:52,208 We had six months, we're waiting for the monsoon rain. 924 00:48:52,291 --> 00:48:54,916 We had a little problem amongst ourselves. 925 00:48:55,041 --> 00:48:57,458 Some of the other prisoners didn't want to escape. 926 00:48:57,500 --> 00:49:01,125 In 1966, there was really no war in Laos. 927 00:49:01,208 --> 00:49:03,291 They were hoping to be released pretty soon, and also 928 00:49:03,375 --> 00:49:05,250 they were afraid to be shot on the way out. 929 00:49:05,333 --> 00:49:07,500 This changed pretty dramatically, real quick, 930 00:49:07,541 --> 00:49:09,250 because the Thais, who spoke the language, 931 00:49:09,333 --> 00:49:11,791 in this hut overheard the guards outside talking about 932 00:49:11,875 --> 00:49:13,625 that they would take us in the jungle, 933 00:49:13,708 --> 00:49:15,583 shoot us, so it would look like we'd escaped, 934 00:49:15,666 --> 00:49:17,375 because they wanted to go home anyway, 935 00:49:17,458 --> 00:49:19,791 because they had hardly anything else to eat. 936 00:49:20,333 --> 00:49:23,666 Of course, now we all thought alike. 937 00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:26,166 And we had to move really, really quick. And the plan was 938 00:49:26,250 --> 00:49:28,041 that if I would make it out of my hut 939 00:49:28,125 --> 00:49:31,208 into this hut over here, without being seen, 940 00:49:31,291 --> 00:49:33,166 the other guys would follow me. 941 00:49:33,250 --> 00:49:35,166 Now, we had... 942 00:49:35,375 --> 00:49:38,166 for the last 2 or 3 weeks, we had a little diagram. 943 00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:39,916 We had little squares with names on it 944 00:49:40,041 --> 00:49:41,416 for the people and for the rifles. 945 00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:42,833 We would look through the cracks. 946 00:49:42,916 --> 00:49:45,166 We would observe them. We would listen to them. 947 00:49:45,250 --> 00:49:47,875 And pretty soon we knew exactly where every rifle was, 948 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,166 where every person was, 949 00:49:49,250 --> 00:49:51,291 because this was very, very important. 950 00:49:51,375 --> 00:49:53,791 That they would all be in the kitchen at the same time, 951 00:49:53,875 --> 00:49:55,333 because our plan was 952 00:49:55,416 --> 00:49:57,625 that while they were in the kitchen, we would encircle them. 953 00:49:57,708 --> 00:50:00,333 We would capture them. Lock 'em up. Hold the camp. 954 00:50:00,416 --> 00:50:01,875 Signal the airplanes at night 955 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,250 and be rescued right out of there. 956 00:50:05,291 --> 00:50:06,500 Now, during the day, 957 00:50:06,583 --> 00:50:09,166 there was only one time that we could do this. 958 00:50:09,250 --> 00:50:11,833 We had about two minutes, 120 seconds to do this. 959 00:50:11,916 --> 00:50:14,083 And this is when the cook over here would yell, 960 00:50:14,166 --> 00:50:15,458 "Chow time! Food time!" 961 00:50:15,541 --> 00:50:18,583 Only then would the guards leave their rifles behind. 962 00:50:18,708 --> 00:50:21,500 The next problem was to get out of the handcuffs. 963 00:50:21,541 --> 00:50:24,333 It's quite simple. Nowadays everybody ought to know 964 00:50:24,416 --> 00:50:26,000 how to open a handcuff. 965 00:50:26,083 --> 00:50:27,791 If you come a little closer with your camera, 966 00:50:27,875 --> 00:50:29,416 I can show you how to do that. 967 00:50:31,291 --> 00:50:32,750 With this small key, 968 00:50:32,833 --> 00:50:36,083 I'm gonna open the handcuff to show you the functions inside. 969 00:50:36,291 --> 00:50:37,500 As you look in there, 970 00:50:37,583 --> 00:50:40,625 you see this small spring going back and forth. 971 00:50:40,708 --> 00:50:42,708 You'll also see a few teeth in there 972 00:50:42,791 --> 00:50:45,458 that holds the handcuff in place. 973 00:50:49,708 --> 00:50:53,125 Now, just with a regular paperclip... 974 00:50:53,541 --> 00:50:56,750 you can open this handcuff quite simply by inserting... 975 00:50:56,833 --> 00:50:59,750 one of these ends into the opening. 976 00:50:59,833 --> 00:51:02,750 Apply pressure to the spring, pulling the handcuff open. 977 00:51:07,791 --> 00:51:12,583 The day came. The cook yelled, "Chow time!" 978 00:51:12,666 --> 00:51:14,833 I stripped my blocks, I let myself to the floor. 979 00:51:14,916 --> 00:51:16,250 I was underneath my hut now. 980 00:51:16,333 --> 00:51:18,791 I crawled quickly over to the logs, those heavy logs 981 00:51:18,875 --> 00:51:20,166 that I had to lift out. I... 982 00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:21,750 actually loosened them the day before. 983 00:51:21,833 --> 00:51:23,041 My heart was really pounding. 984 00:51:23,125 --> 00:51:26,583 I crawled across. I came to this fence. I untied the rattan. 985 00:51:26,666 --> 00:51:28,250 Slipped the bamboo up 986 00:51:28,333 --> 00:51:30,416 and rushed through this door, and I leaped into this hut. 987 00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:33,125 There were three rifles in there, two I passed away, 988 00:51:33,208 --> 00:51:34,791 and the other one I kept. 989 00:51:34,875 --> 00:51:36,583 I ran out into the open. 990 00:51:36,666 --> 00:51:38,291 Nobody came from this side except the guards, 991 00:51:38,416 --> 00:51:39,500 running in my direction. 992 00:51:39,583 --> 00:51:41,875 They must have heard or seen the other guys. 993 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,291 This big shootout started. 994 00:51:43,375 --> 00:51:45,000 All of a sudden, the bullets were flying. 995 00:51:45,083 --> 00:51:46,708 Somehow we had miscalculated. 996 00:51:46,791 --> 00:51:48,708 Somebody had a rifle in there. 997 00:51:48,791 --> 00:51:50,583 I had this sub-machine gun in my hand. 998 00:51:50,666 --> 00:51:51,875 I never shot one before. 999 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,166 When I pulled the trigger, it practically flew out of my hand. 1000 00:51:54,250 --> 00:51:55,666 It raised up like that, 1001 00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:58,458 and this allowed them to close this distance real quick. 1002 00:51:58,500 --> 00:52:00,791 They came within 2 or 3 feet from me. 1003 00:52:00,875 --> 00:52:03,458 The morron, one of the guys, had a machete in his hand. 1004 00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:04,541 He came within 4 or 5 feet, 1005 00:52:04,708 --> 00:52:05,750 I shot him through the hip. 1006 00:52:05,833 --> 00:52:08,166 It lifted him up, it threw him down to the ground. 1007 00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:10,708 Next thing I'm looking up, he's getting up again. 1008 00:52:10,791 --> 00:52:12,500 He still had the machete, he's still coming at me. 1009 00:52:12,541 --> 00:52:13,916 Of course this time I couldn't miss. 1010 00:52:14,041 --> 00:52:16,083 He was right 2 or 3 feet in front of me. 1011 00:52:16,166 --> 00:52:17,458 I couldn't believe it. 1012 00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:19,125 I didn't have a scratch. 1013 00:52:19,208 --> 00:52:21,041 There was five dead guards laying on the ground. 1014 00:52:21,125 --> 00:52:22,583 Two of them got away. 1015 00:52:22,666 --> 00:52:25,375 They ran a zigzag pattern, and they got in the jungle. 1016 00:52:25,458 --> 00:52:27,000 I knew then, right then and there, 1017 00:52:27,083 --> 00:52:29,041 they would get help... and we had to get out of there. 1018 00:52:29,125 --> 00:52:30,083 Where was Duane? 1019 00:52:30,166 --> 00:52:33,833 I saw him behind this bush over here, he had vomited. 1020 00:52:33,916 --> 00:52:35,416 I yelled to him, "Duane, let's get out of here! 1021 00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:36,416 Let's get out of here!" 1022 00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:38,458 We took off. We ran down between this kitchen. We ran... 1023 00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:41,000 ran amongst those dead guys laying on the ground. 1024 00:52:41,083 --> 00:52:42,500 And it was very important 1025 00:52:42,541 --> 00:52:44,666 because our shoes were tied together in a bundle, 1026 00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:46,666 were hanging on this hut over here. 1027 00:52:46,750 --> 00:52:48,625 The shoes we needed in the jungle, 1028 00:52:48,708 --> 00:52:50,500 but when we got there, they were already taken. 1029 00:52:50,583 --> 00:52:52,833 The other guys must have taken them and run off with them. 1030 00:52:52,916 --> 00:52:55,666 And then, Duane and I, we had no choice but to turn around, 1031 00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:58,458 barefoot we ran into the jungle. 1032 00:53:01,625 --> 00:53:03,375 Of the seven of us that escaped, 1033 00:53:03,458 --> 00:53:05,791 I was the only one that came out alive. 1034 00:53:05,875 --> 00:53:07,583 The other ones disappeared in the jungle, 1035 00:53:07,666 --> 00:53:09,875 and nobody ever heard from them again. 1036 00:53:21,166 --> 00:53:23,500 God! How I ever made it through this jungle, 1037 00:53:23,583 --> 00:53:26,916 barefoot, for weeks. I'll never know. 1038 00:53:33,875 --> 00:53:36,375 Dieter and Duane were struggling to make their way 1039 00:53:36,458 --> 00:53:37,458 through the jungle. 1040 00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:41,500 Weak and starved, their feet badly cut by thorns. 1041 00:53:41,541 --> 00:53:43,583 After ten days they reached a river, 1042 00:53:43,666 --> 00:53:45,791 somewhat like this one. 1043 00:53:45,875 --> 00:53:50,500 Only the river was much higher because of the monsoon rains. 1044 00:53:52,083 --> 00:53:54,791 We were ecstatic. We felt like dancing, 1045 00:53:54,875 --> 00:53:57,500 and we thought that this was our highway to freedom. 1046 00:53:58,458 --> 00:54:00,500 Exhausted as they were, 1047 00:54:00,541 --> 00:54:04,291 they managed to build a small raft and climbed aboard. 1048 00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:09,458 There we were on this river, this beautiful river, 1049 00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:12,250 drifting down between hills and mountains for a couple-- 1050 00:54:12,333 --> 00:54:14,500 hour and a half, down towards Thailand. 1051 00:54:15,625 --> 00:54:16,583 I thought I heard something. 1052 00:54:16,666 --> 00:54:18,125 I said, "Duane, do you hear anything?" 1053 00:54:18,208 --> 00:54:19,250 But then it got quiet again, 1054 00:54:19,333 --> 00:54:21,875 but when we came around the next hill, 1055 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,541 we heard it at the same time. 1056 00:54:23,625 --> 00:54:25,875 We both yelled, "Waterfalls!" He leaped off. 1057 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,291 I jumped in the water. 1058 00:54:27,375 --> 00:54:28,916 I was actually in the water, I grabbed the rifles. 1059 00:54:29,041 --> 00:54:31,875 I kicked as hard as I could. I was taken off. 1060 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,375 I was going then towards... this side. 1061 00:54:34,458 --> 00:54:36,083 Duane was already nearly over there, 1062 00:54:36,166 --> 00:54:37,666 but I had these rifles in my arm, 1063 00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:39,166 and I couldn't really swim that fast. 1064 00:54:39,250 --> 00:54:40,416 And the current shot, 1065 00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:41,791 picking up, and quicker and quicker! 1066 00:54:41,875 --> 00:54:43,666 And I thought I wouldn't make it, 1067 00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:46,166 and finally there was a couple of rocks sticking out. 1068 00:54:46,250 --> 00:54:48,791 I clung on this rock, and I looked over the side and... 1069 00:54:48,875 --> 00:54:52,458 our raft had tumbled and tumbled and tumbled down 300 feet. 1070 00:54:52,541 --> 00:54:55,333 It disintegrated on the bottom. I was speechless. 1071 00:54:55,416 --> 00:54:56,833 I looked at Duane, he was snow-white. 1072 00:54:56,916 --> 00:54:58,500 We had just... escaped death. 1073 00:54:58,583 --> 00:55:01,166 I mean, it was truly touch and go. 1074 00:55:01,250 --> 00:55:04,416 We were speechless. We just sat there after I made it to shore. 1075 00:55:05,333 --> 00:55:06,458 Trying to decide what to do. 1076 00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:08,291 One of the rifles, we threw away. 1077 00:55:08,375 --> 00:55:10,458 It was vertical going down, on both sides. 1078 00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:12,333 We had a very difficult time, 1079 00:55:12,416 --> 00:55:14,250 because it was full of green mud. 1080 00:55:14,333 --> 00:55:16,500 During the rainy season. 1081 00:55:16,541 --> 00:55:18,125 The ground was very muddy, 1082 00:55:18,208 --> 00:55:21,458 and on the vines we were sliding down, helping each other down. 1083 00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:23,541 And late in the evening we arrived on the bottom. 1084 00:55:23,625 --> 00:55:27,083 We were totally exhausted. We were totally disillusioned. 1085 00:55:27,166 --> 00:55:29,875 Then barefoot, over rocks and sticks we... 1086 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,500 Down the river we went, looking forward towards freedom. 1087 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:39,333 ♪♪ 1088 00:55:57,208 --> 00:56:00,541 To this day, I often think about Duane Martin. 1089 00:56:00,625 --> 00:56:04,000 We shared so many hardships, hopes and despair. 1090 00:56:04,083 --> 00:56:06,666 And this made us grow very close. 1091 00:56:06,750 --> 00:56:10,583 By the end, Duane was closer to me than anyone else in my life. 1092 00:56:10,666 --> 00:56:13,500 Even closer than my mother and my brothers. 1093 00:56:21,416 --> 00:56:26,125 Behind me is the Mekong. We called it "The Big Muddy". 1094 00:56:26,208 --> 00:56:28,916 Over there is Laos. I was a prisoner of war over here. 1095 00:56:29,041 --> 00:56:31,875 Over here is Thailand. Freedom. 1096 00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:34,458 We talked about this river so many times. 1097 00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:38,500 We dreamt about this river. This river was our target. 1098 00:56:38,666 --> 00:56:41,041 But we never reached it. 1099 00:56:41,416 --> 00:56:45,166 When I think about it now, even though it's over 30 years ago, 1100 00:56:45,250 --> 00:56:47,500 it's just like it happened yesterday. 1101 00:56:47,541 --> 00:56:49,500 I remember, Duane and I, we had... 1102 00:56:49,583 --> 00:56:51,708 nearly starved to death when we escaped the camp. 1103 00:56:51,791 --> 00:56:53,291 We were barefoot in the jungle. 1104 00:56:53,375 --> 00:56:56,375 Within the first mile, our feet were cut to shreads. 1105 00:56:56,458 --> 00:56:58,916 In fact, they swelled up to big white stumps. 1106 00:56:59,041 --> 00:57:02,208 We had found a single sole of a tennis shoe. 1107 00:57:02,291 --> 00:57:04,208 And we alternated wearing it, 1108 00:57:04,291 --> 00:57:07,500 and we would tie it to one of our foot with rattan. 1109 00:57:07,541 --> 00:57:11,833 And then came the monsoon. The monsoon is something else. 1110 00:57:11,916 --> 00:57:14,125 I mean, you have to really be there to... 1111 00:57:14,208 --> 00:57:16,583 to know what I'm talking about. It's just deafening. 1112 00:57:16,666 --> 00:57:19,166 You can scream on top of your lungs, and nobody can hear you. 1113 00:57:19,250 --> 00:57:23,125 The water comes down like somebody turned on... a bathtub. 1114 00:57:23,208 --> 00:57:26,041 It goes for hours, for days. The mud! 1115 00:57:26,125 --> 00:57:27,666 The bamboo! 1116 00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:30,416 All the stuff that comes down from the mountains. 1117 00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:32,708 In fact, Duane and I, we had to look for high grounds. 1118 00:57:32,791 --> 00:57:35,541 We would tie ourselves down to a stump or trees. 1119 00:57:35,625 --> 00:57:38,083 Not to be swept down with this mud overnight. 1120 00:57:38,166 --> 00:57:39,375 Of course, we would hug each other. 1121 00:57:39,458 --> 00:57:40,833 We needed each other for warmth. 1122 00:57:40,916 --> 00:57:43,458 We needed each other for friendship in this misery. 1123 00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:45,083 And then came dawn. 1124 00:57:45,166 --> 00:57:48,125 I would look over there, and I couldn't even recognize Duane. 1125 00:57:48,208 --> 00:57:50,208 Duane would be covered from top to bottom 1126 00:57:50,291 --> 00:57:52,041 with mud and blood. 1127 00:57:52,125 --> 00:57:53,375 I looked the same. 1128 00:57:53,458 --> 00:57:57,041 We had leeches, not 20, not 50. Hundreds. It was like a belt. 1129 00:57:57,125 --> 00:57:58,083 It was black around there. 1130 00:57:58,166 --> 00:57:59,750 Our legs were covered with leeches. 1131 00:57:59,833 --> 00:58:01,166 They were looking for the soft spots. 1132 00:58:01,250 --> 00:58:03,375 Between our fingers, underneath the arms, 1133 00:58:03,458 --> 00:58:05,583 and the nose and the ears. It was awful. 1134 00:58:05,666 --> 00:58:07,583 They're tiny, tiny creatures. 1135 00:58:07,666 --> 00:58:09,875 Like a needle, they find every tiny, little hole. 1136 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,083 They attach themselves, 1137 00:58:11,166 --> 00:58:14,416 they suck themselves full with blood, as big as this finger. 1138 00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:19,333 We would then take our rags off, we would take bamboo, 1139 00:58:19,416 --> 00:58:22,125 and we scraped them off, and on we went. 1140 00:58:22,208 --> 00:58:23,666 But then, there were a couple of times 1141 00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:25,500 we thought we really had it made. 1142 00:58:25,541 --> 00:58:28,708 One time, we built a raft. We had to abandon the raft. 1143 00:58:28,791 --> 00:58:30,000 The raft went over the waterfall. 1144 00:58:30,083 --> 00:58:32,291 But then, later on, we made this beautiful fire. 1145 00:58:32,375 --> 00:58:34,500 We waved at night to the airplanes. 1146 00:58:34,541 --> 00:58:36,250 They saw us, they circled overhead. 1147 00:58:36,333 --> 00:58:39,458 And we knew, we're gonna be rescued, that next morning. 1148 00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:41,833 We were elated. We hugged each other, we cried together. 1149 00:58:41,916 --> 00:58:43,791 We talked about who's going in the helicopter first. 1150 00:58:43,875 --> 00:58:46,625 What are we gonna eat? Who are we gonna call? 1151 00:58:46,708 --> 00:58:48,708 And then moning came, and we waited and waited, 1152 00:58:48,791 --> 00:58:50,125 and nothing happened. 1153 00:58:50,208 --> 00:58:52,333 It was a blow. What a disappointment. 1154 00:58:52,416 --> 00:58:53,708 But then we had to move on 1155 00:58:53,791 --> 00:58:55,375 because we were starving to death. 1156 00:58:55,458 --> 00:58:57,458 In fact, we couldn't even walk anymore. 1157 00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:59,708 We were crawling and lay on our knees 1158 00:58:59,791 --> 00:59:01,250 down this small little trail. 1159 00:59:01,333 --> 00:59:03,625 And all of a sudden there was this small boy on our left. 1160 00:59:03,708 --> 00:59:06,541 He was carrying a water container over his shoulder. 1161 00:59:06,625 --> 00:59:08,541 And all of a sudden, there was all this comotion. 1162 00:59:08,625 --> 00:59:11,291 People were running... all over each way. 1163 00:59:11,375 --> 00:59:12,458 There was noise. 1164 00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:14,000 Duane and I right away we were on our knees, 1165 00:59:14,083 --> 00:59:17,416 and we put our hands together. We said, "Hello. Sabai." 1166 00:59:17,500 --> 00:59:20,458 Duane then starts sitting back and started getting up. 1167 00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:21,791 And all of a sudden, 1168 00:59:21,875 --> 00:59:23,750 out of the corner of my eye, I saw something. 1169 00:59:23,833 --> 00:59:26,041 I looked over there, a villager was standing there. 1170 00:59:26,125 --> 00:59:28,458 He had a machete in his hand, high above his head. 1171 00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:30,666 He just hesitated for a second, and then he swung. 1172 00:59:30,750 --> 00:59:33,625 He swung for me, I ducked, it missed me by a few inches. 1173 00:59:33,708 --> 00:59:36,833 He hit Duane in the upper leg, the blade was deeply buried. 1174 00:59:36,916 --> 00:59:38,083 And then Duane screamed. 1175 00:59:38,166 --> 00:59:41,416 He reached down, he grabbed his leg, screaming! 1176 00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:43,208 And with the next swipe... 1177 00:59:43,291 --> 00:59:46,000 Duane's head came off. Blood squirting out! 1178 00:59:46,083 --> 00:59:48,625 I start screaming. I leaped towards this villager. 1179 00:59:48,708 --> 00:59:49,708 He turned around, he ran. 1180 00:59:49,791 --> 00:59:51,041 In fact, they all started running, 1181 00:59:51,125 --> 00:59:53,500 and unknownst to me, I had reached down and grabbed 1182 00:59:53,583 --> 00:59:55,041 this rubber sole from his foot. 1183 00:59:55,125 --> 00:59:56,291 I turned around and ran, 1184 00:59:56,375 --> 00:59:59,541 where 30 seconds before I was crawling along. 1185 01:00:01,416 --> 01:00:03,083 Duane, my friend, he was gone. 1186 01:00:03,166 --> 01:00:07,708 And from then on, my motions, my progress, became mechanical. 1187 01:00:08,500 --> 01:00:11,500 In fact, I couldn't care less if I would live or die. 1188 01:00:11,583 --> 01:00:13,375 But then later on, there was this bear. 1189 01:00:13,458 --> 01:00:15,250 This beautiful bear that was following me. 1190 01:00:15,333 --> 01:00:16,500 It was circling me. 1191 01:00:16,541 --> 01:00:18,791 In fact, sometimes when it was gone, I missed it. 1192 01:00:18,875 --> 01:00:21,083 It was just like a dog. It was just like a pet. 1193 01:00:21,166 --> 01:00:23,583 Of course, I knew, this bear was there, 1194 01:00:23,666 --> 01:00:25,083 he was waiting to eat me. 1195 01:00:28,250 --> 01:00:30,541 When I think about it... 1196 01:00:30,791 --> 01:00:33,458 This bear meant death to me. 1197 01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:35,708 And it is really ironic... 1198 01:00:36,416 --> 01:00:40,250 That the only friend I had in the end was death. 1199 01:00:49,708 --> 01:00:54,791 ♪♪ 1200 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,750 How Dieter Dengler has been able 1201 01:01:38,916 --> 01:01:40,125 to cope with all this 1202 01:01:40,208 --> 01:01:42,333 remains a mystery. 1203 01:01:42,416 --> 01:01:44,625 He hides behind the casusal remark 1204 01:01:44,708 --> 01:01:47,916 that this was the fun part of his life. 1205 01:02:00,083 --> 01:02:03,375 Dieter took an early retirement from the Armed Forces 1206 01:02:03,458 --> 01:02:06,458 and became a civilian test pilot. 1207 01:02:06,500 --> 01:02:11,291 He survived four more crashes and flies to this day. 1208 01:02:11,375 --> 01:02:13,458 Death did not want him. 1209 01:02:27,083 --> 01:02:28,666 What's that, about 20 pounds? 1210 01:02:28,750 --> 01:02:30,041 No, 30, actually. 1211 01:02:30,125 --> 01:02:32,083 30 Pounds. Wow! 1212 01:02:33,250 --> 01:02:35,000 My God, he'll be surprised. 1213 01:02:35,083 --> 01:02:36,750 How long did it take to cook that thing? 1214 01:02:36,833 --> 01:02:39,625 -A good five hours. -Five hours. 1215 01:02:44,166 --> 01:02:48,291 Dieter! God, my suspicions were true! 1216 01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:52,708 -It's good to see you! -Happy Thanksgiving, friend! 1217 01:02:52,791 --> 01:02:54,208 This is Eugene Deatrick, 1218 01:02:54,291 --> 01:02:57,750 to whom Dieter Dengler ultimately owes his life. 1219 01:02:57,833 --> 01:03:00,625 Dieter wanted to surprise him on Thanksgiving. 1220 01:03:00,708 --> 01:03:02,583 I wouldn't be here without you, 1221 01:03:02,666 --> 01:03:04,083 and I really appreciate what you did for me. 1222 01:03:04,166 --> 01:03:05,875 And that you followed it up and... 1223 01:03:06,083 --> 01:03:08,250 Sit down, tell me all about it. 1224 01:03:10,125 --> 01:03:11,250 My God! 1225 01:03:11,333 --> 01:03:12,791 You're losing hair. Both of them. 1226 01:03:12,875 --> 01:03:15,458 Tell me did you have any suspicion, even a little bit? 1227 01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:16,583 I had, a little bit. 1228 01:03:16,666 --> 01:03:18,625 You don't come down here for... 1229 01:03:18,708 --> 01:03:22,333 no one telling you what it is, but bygod it's good to see you. 1230 01:03:22,583 --> 01:03:26,291 All right, I haven't done that too many times, but... 1231 01:03:26,375 --> 01:03:28,125 What a turkey. 1232 01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:30,750 It seems like yesterday that... 1233 01:03:31,125 --> 01:03:34,583 Andy and I started to take off that morning. 1234 01:03:35,500 --> 01:03:37,416 I have said many times to people 1235 01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:40,083 that this was a million in one shot. 1236 01:03:40,166 --> 01:03:42,708 If everything hadn't gone exactly right, 1237 01:03:42,791 --> 01:03:44,333 we never would have found you. 1238 01:03:44,416 --> 01:03:45,541 Just step by step. 1239 01:03:45,708 --> 01:03:50,083 We were late getting off. Supposed to leave at eight. 1240 01:03:50,166 --> 01:03:53,375 Didn't get off until about noon or 1:00. 1241 01:03:53,458 --> 01:03:56,166 We came up, and it was an armed wrecking area. 1242 01:03:56,250 --> 01:03:58,666 Which meant that you could bomb anything in the area 1243 01:03:58,750 --> 01:04:00,250 if you thought it was enemy. 1244 01:04:00,333 --> 01:04:01,500 Right. 1245 01:04:01,541 --> 01:04:06,166 And I left Andy high, to stay in contact with Danang. 1246 01:04:06,250 --> 01:04:08,500 And I went down on the deck. 1247 01:04:08,583 --> 01:04:11,416 And I saw this big river coming out of the mountain. 1248 01:04:11,500 --> 01:04:13,500 And I thought I'll go up that as a first shot. 1249 01:04:15,500 --> 01:04:19,083 And again, if it hadn't been that you were right in the bend, 1250 01:04:19,166 --> 01:04:21,916 because as you fly straight, I couldn't see down. 1251 01:04:22,041 --> 01:04:24,916 But just where you were, there was a bend in the river. 1252 01:04:25,041 --> 01:04:27,250 I made that 90-degree bank 1253 01:04:27,333 --> 01:04:28,708 and looked down, and there on that rock... 1254 01:04:28,791 --> 01:04:29,541 A split second! 1255 01:04:29,625 --> 01:04:32,833 And this nut sitting down there, waving at me. 1256 01:04:32,916 --> 01:04:35,291 And I thought that was nice and flew on. 1257 01:04:35,375 --> 01:04:37,500 I must have gone 5 or 10 minutes, 1258 01:04:37,541 --> 01:04:40,125 and I'll never know whatever made me come back. 1259 01:04:40,208 --> 01:04:42,666 But something just didn't settle right, that... 1260 01:04:42,750 --> 01:04:45,458 I guess you, it wasn't a conscious effort, but... 1261 01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:47,333 Natives don't... 1262 01:04:47,416 --> 01:04:49,083 Hang on and wave to you. 1263 01:04:49,166 --> 01:04:51,291 Wave to me on a fully loaded airplane. 1264 01:04:51,375 --> 01:04:52,541 So, I came back, 1265 01:04:52,625 --> 01:04:54,250 and when you were there the second time, waving... 1266 01:04:54,333 --> 01:04:56,666 I really wasn't sure what it was... 1267 01:04:57,708 --> 01:04:58,583 And... 1268 01:04:58,666 --> 01:04:59,541 You know that piece of white material, 1269 01:04:59,625 --> 01:05:00,625 you know where it came from? 1270 01:05:00,708 --> 01:05:02,375 -The flare. -The flare. 1271 01:05:02,458 --> 01:05:05,333 Actually, it wasn't the flare. About five days before... 1272 01:05:05,416 --> 01:05:06,666 You know, I had gone down to a village, 1273 01:05:06,750 --> 01:05:07,583 and the Americans saw it, 1274 01:05:07,666 --> 01:05:09,625 and they dropped flares, and it was one of those parachutes. 1275 01:05:09,708 --> 01:05:11,500 And I had already given up... 1276 01:05:11,541 --> 01:05:13,166 It looked like fishing nets from where I was. 1277 01:05:13,250 --> 01:05:15,041 Well, I'll tell ya, I pulled that sucker down, 1278 01:05:15,125 --> 01:05:16,791 and I had that thing in my little backpack. 1279 01:05:16,875 --> 01:05:19,125 And when I heard an airplane, I didn't even look up. 1280 01:05:19,208 --> 01:05:20,583 All I could do is reach back there. 1281 01:05:20,666 --> 01:05:22,875 That's when I pulled that white piece of material out. 1282 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,708 I was thinking, "SOS. SOS." 1283 01:05:24,791 --> 01:05:27,166 "How does it go, does the S go this way? 1284 01:05:27,250 --> 01:05:29,291 Or the S go this way?" 1285 01:05:29,375 --> 01:05:31,666 And I ripped my pants off, trying to lay it down. 1286 01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:33,625 And every so often I would look up and you were 1287 01:05:33,708 --> 01:05:35,250 way in the corner between the clouds. 1288 01:05:35,333 --> 01:05:37,500 I thought, "Oh, God. Please don't let him leave. 1289 01:05:37,541 --> 01:05:40,000 Please don't let him leave." I was laying out this SOS. 1290 01:05:40,083 --> 01:05:41,666 And as I came back around the next time, 1291 01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:43,541 I asked Andy if he could see anything, 1292 01:05:43,625 --> 01:05:45,500 and that's when he saw the parachute 1293 01:05:45,541 --> 01:05:48,833 and said, "It looks like he has an SOS." Well, that... 1294 01:05:48,916 --> 01:05:52,500 gave us both the clue that... someone was down there, 1295 01:05:52,583 --> 01:05:55,041 and the fact that you were there after three passes... 1296 01:05:55,125 --> 01:05:57,125 So, we pulled off to the side, 1297 01:05:57,208 --> 01:05:58,916 and I called the crown aircraft, 1298 01:05:59,041 --> 01:06:03,041 which is the C-121 controller in that area. 1299 01:06:03,125 --> 01:06:06,666 And I asked them if anyone had been shot down. 1300 01:06:06,750 --> 01:06:09,500 They said there was no Air Force, no Navy, no Marine, 1301 01:06:09,541 --> 01:06:11,416 no Laotians, no Thai. 1302 01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:15,250 And I said, well... insisted that someone was down there, 1303 01:06:15,333 --> 01:06:16,458 and they said, "Well, it couldn't be." 1304 01:06:16,500 --> 01:06:18,583 And a long conversation went on. 1305 01:06:18,666 --> 01:06:19,875 But we finally got approval, 1306 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,875 and they got the rescue helicopters, two of them. 1307 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,333 And the aircraft on the coast escorted them in. 1308 01:06:26,416 --> 01:06:29,083 I took the lead helicopter when they got in sight. 1309 01:06:29,166 --> 01:06:32,166 Put him down and told him where you were, and went out. 1310 01:06:32,250 --> 01:06:34,333 And that's when he dropped his long range tank 1311 01:06:34,416 --> 01:06:36,000 up the river from you. 1312 01:06:36,083 --> 01:06:38,375 That's the first time I realized it was for real. 1313 01:06:38,458 --> 01:06:40,916 Because, you know, I was hallucinating all this time. 1314 01:06:41,041 --> 01:06:42,500 And when I smelled that gasoline, 1315 01:06:42,541 --> 01:06:43,833 I knew it was for real. 1316 01:06:43,916 --> 01:06:47,833 And he couldn't get down very low because of the mountain. 1317 01:06:47,916 --> 01:06:50,083 And he dropped the penetrator cable down, 1318 01:06:50,166 --> 01:06:51,916 and I saw you climbing aboard. 1319 01:06:52,041 --> 01:06:54,708 And it was then that my heart began to beat, I'll tell you. 1320 01:06:54,791 --> 01:06:55,625 Well, you know, 1321 01:06:55,708 --> 01:06:58,083 I couldn't even pull down the zip on the penetrator. 1322 01:06:58,166 --> 01:07:01,458 I had it in my armpit as I was going up. 1323 01:07:01,500 --> 01:07:06,125 The helicopter had come in, and all the trees and the bushes... 1324 01:07:06,208 --> 01:07:07,833 ...blowing me around down there, 1325 01:07:07,916 --> 01:07:09,375 and I had a hard time catching that. 1326 01:07:09,458 --> 01:07:12,291 As I was going up, I was just going around and around. 1327 01:07:12,375 --> 01:07:14,750 They were taking off because the Vietcongs, 1328 01:07:14,833 --> 01:07:16,375 they were shooting up at them. 1329 01:07:16,458 --> 01:07:18,125 The guys up there had the machine guns, 1330 01:07:18,208 --> 01:07:19,500 not only on them, but also on me, 1331 01:07:19,583 --> 01:07:21,875 because they thought that I might be a Vietcong. 1332 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,625 They probably had the same idea I had. 1333 01:07:23,708 --> 01:07:25,875 Not recognizing Dieter as an American, 1334 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,958 and fearing he might be a Vietcong 1335 01:07:28,125 --> 01:07:29,291 on a suicide mission, 1336 01:07:29,375 --> 01:07:32,125 a black corporal on board the helicopter 1337 01:07:32,208 --> 01:07:34,291 threw his weight of 300 pounds 1338 01:07:34,375 --> 01:07:37,125 upon the skeleton that was left of Dieter, 1339 01:07:37,208 --> 01:07:39,125 and wrestled him to the floor. 1340 01:07:39,208 --> 01:07:40,291 The previous day 1341 01:07:40,375 --> 01:07:42,916 Dieter had seen a snake swimming in the water, 1342 01:07:43,041 --> 01:07:45,333 and had bitten it in two from hunger. 1343 01:07:45,416 --> 01:07:47,250 Searching for explosives, 1344 01:07:47,333 --> 01:07:49,166 the corporal pulled out half a snake 1345 01:07:49,333 --> 01:07:50,666 from under Dieter's shirt. 1346 01:07:50,750 --> 01:07:52,500 It gave him such a shock 1347 01:07:52,583 --> 01:07:55,291 that he fell halfway out of the helicopter, 1348 01:07:55,375 --> 01:07:57,708 and had to be rescued himself. 1349 01:07:57,791 --> 01:08:00,833 So, as he started to pull away, and I saw you going in, 1350 01:08:00,916 --> 01:08:02,125 and the thing didn't blow up, 1351 01:08:02,208 --> 01:08:04,875 I gave a great sigh of relief, I'll tell you that! 1352 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,083 That scared me. I thought my career would be over if that... 1353 01:08:08,166 --> 01:08:09,583 And as they went away, 1354 01:08:09,666 --> 01:08:12,166 I asked 'em if they could identify you. 1355 01:08:12,250 --> 01:08:14,625 And they said that they didn't know who it was, 1356 01:08:14,708 --> 01:08:16,916 but he claimed that he was a Navy lieutenant 1357 01:08:17,041 --> 01:08:19,125 that had been shot down several months before. 1358 01:08:19,208 --> 01:08:22,208 And I'll tell you, my heart gave a sigh of relief. 1359 01:08:24,458 --> 01:08:32,666 ♪♪ 1360 01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:40,208 Dieter wanted to be back with the fleet, back on his ship. 1361 01:08:42,291 --> 01:08:45,208 He had been taken to the hospital in Danang. 1362 01:08:45,291 --> 01:08:46,500 He was safe now, 1363 01:08:46,666 --> 01:08:49,500 but he was sure this was only a dream. 1364 01:08:49,541 --> 01:08:52,916 For him, this was just a mirage. 1365 01:09:15,833 --> 01:09:20,000 He wanted to run, and they had to tie him to his bed. 1366 01:09:20,083 --> 01:09:22,416 So, his friends came and snuck him out 1367 01:09:22,500 --> 01:09:24,625 and brought him back to the carrier. 1368 01:09:25,458 --> 01:09:28,208 The elevator took him down to the hanger bay. 1369 01:09:28,291 --> 01:09:29,833 It was a drizzly day, 1370 01:09:29,916 --> 01:09:32,750 and there had been hardly anyone on deck. 1371 01:09:32,833 --> 01:09:34,375 But there was something strange, 1372 01:09:34,458 --> 01:09:36,500 something almost eerie about the fact 1373 01:09:36,583 --> 01:09:39,041 that no one was there. 1374 01:09:39,125 --> 01:09:42,083 Unknownst to myself, the Admiral had assembled about... 1375 01:09:42,583 --> 01:09:45,541 4,000 people up here in the hanger bay. 1376 01:09:46,125 --> 01:09:47,166 They were waiting for me, 1377 01:09:47,250 --> 01:09:50,166 and I was thinking that nobody would know that I was alive. 1378 01:09:50,250 --> 01:09:52,083 That this was going to be a total surprise. 1379 01:09:52,166 --> 01:09:53,833 So, the airplane was... 1380 01:09:53,916 --> 01:09:56,500 The engine was turned off. The airplane was pulled in here. 1381 01:09:56,583 --> 01:09:58,583 We came over here. 1382 01:09:58,666 --> 01:10:00,750 There was just a... load of these people. 1383 01:10:00,833 --> 01:10:02,750 4,000 guys were waiting. 1384 01:10:02,833 --> 01:10:06,208 They opened... the door, there was a red carpet. 1385 01:10:06,291 --> 01:10:08,083 And the yelling and the screaming started. 1386 01:10:08,166 --> 01:10:11,458 It was such an emotional moment. I just can't really describe it. 1387 01:10:11,500 --> 01:10:13,416 The tears! 1388 01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:15,500 All my friends that I'd been through flight training with. 1389 01:10:15,541 --> 01:10:16,500 Norman, Spook... 1390 01:10:16,708 --> 01:10:19,416 Farcas, Lizard. They all were there. 1391 01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:21,500 Tears were rolling... hugging. 1392 01:10:30,083 --> 01:10:32,250 And finally, I was on the aircraft carrier, 1393 01:10:32,333 --> 01:10:33,333 they were all my buddies. 1394 01:10:33,416 --> 01:10:36,041 The other pilots there, they did everything they could for me. 1395 01:10:36,125 --> 01:10:39,125 It was just unreal. The Admiral packed his bag. 1396 01:10:39,208 --> 01:10:41,041 He left. He said, "Dieter, my quarters are your quarters." 1397 01:10:41,125 --> 01:10:42,166 I slept in his bed. 1398 01:10:42,250 --> 01:10:44,833 At nights, I would have dreams, I would yell and scream. 1399 01:10:44,916 --> 01:10:45,791 My friends would tie me down, 1400 01:10:45,875 --> 01:10:47,500 they even got afraid of me sometimes. 1401 01:10:47,541 --> 01:10:48,625 So, they finally figured it out, 1402 01:10:48,708 --> 01:10:50,333 and they would take me up in a cockpit. 1403 01:10:50,416 --> 01:10:53,083 At nights, they would take me up on top of the carrier deck, 1404 01:10:53,166 --> 01:10:55,083 and they would pack me into a cockpit, 1405 01:10:55,166 --> 01:10:56,500 put two or three pillows next to me. 1406 01:10:56,541 --> 01:10:57,916 That's where I felt safe. 1407 01:10:58,041 --> 01:11:00,833 That's where I felt... truly, truly safe. 1408 01:11:00,916 --> 01:11:03,125 And then I would sleep in there. 1409 01:11:03,208 --> 01:11:05,458 In fact, later on, when I was on different bases, 1410 01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:07,041 sometimes at nights I would come down, 1411 01:11:07,125 --> 01:11:08,250 and I would go to an aircraft cockpit, 1412 01:11:08,333 --> 01:11:10,791 and I would just bed in there, and I would sleep in there. 1413 01:11:10,875 --> 01:11:13,375 And I brought you here to show you all these airplanes. 1414 01:11:13,458 --> 01:11:14,625 I mean, this is a heaven for pilots. 1415 01:11:14,708 --> 01:11:15,875 I mean, just look around. 1416 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,500 In every directions, there's just miles, 1417 01:11:18,541 --> 01:11:20,500 and miles and miles of airplanes. 1418 01:11:20,541 --> 01:11:23,583 Everywhere! Here, miles and miles... 1419 01:11:23,666 --> 01:11:26,625 God! Look at the cockpits! These are just fantastic! 1420 01:11:26,708 --> 01:11:29,083 These are just really, really, truly beautiful. 1421 01:11:29,166 --> 01:11:31,041 And one could really feel at home here. 1422 01:11:31,125 --> 01:11:33,083 This is just a heaven for a pilot. 113634

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