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hi I'm Paul Simon a former United States

hi I'm Paul Simon a former United States

hi I'm Paul Simon a former United States senator from Illinois not far from where

senator from Illinois not far from where

senator from Illinois not far from where I am right now on September 15th

I am right now on September 15th

I am right now on September 15th 1858 a lawyer and former member of the

1858 a lawyer and former member of the

1858 a lawyer and former member of the Illinois legislature named Abraham

Illinois legislature named Abraham

Illinois legislature named Abraham Lincoln challenged Stephen A Douglas in

Lincoln challenged Stephen A Douglas in

Lincoln challenged Stephen A Douglas in the fourth of their famous debates judge

the fourth of their famous debates judge

the fourth of their famous debates judge Douglas hoped to use the Jonesboro

Douglas hoped to use the Jonesboro

Douglas hoped to use the Jonesboro debate to convince the citizenry that Mr

debate to convince the citizenry that Mr

debate to convince the citizenry that Mr Lincoln was a fervent abolitionist Mr

Lincoln was a fervent abolitionist Mr

Lincoln was a fervent abolitionist Mr Lincoln would lose the senate race but

Lincoln would lose the senate race but

Lincoln would lose the senate race but just two years later he became the

just two years later he became the

just two years later he became the nation's 16th president emancipator of

nation's 16th president emancipator of

nation's 16th president emancipator of the slaves and defender of the Union his

the slaves and defender of the Union his

the slaves and defender of the Union his name brings up powerful emotions around

name brings up powerful emotions around

name brings up powerful emotions around the world more than any American hero he

the world more than any American hero he

the world more than any American hero he evokes intense feelings of freedom and

evokes intense feelings of freedom and

evokes intense feelings of freedom and patriotism 100 years later in the small

patriotism 100 years later in the small

patriotism 100 years later in the small town of Lincoln Massachusetts two boys

town of Lincoln Massachusetts two boys

town of Lincoln Massachusetts two boys would grow up in the midst of another

would grow up in the midst of another

would grow up in the midst of another turbulent time for America they would

turbulent time for America they would

turbulent time for America they would meet they would discover music they were

meet they would discover music they were

meet they would discover music they were called John this is their

called John this is their

called John this is their [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] story you had a cyclops Rock and then

story you had a cyclops Rock and then

story you had a cyclops Rock and then you go and turn around and break my

you go and turn around and break my

you go and turn around and break my heart there's just so much to see but

heart there's just so much to see but

heart there's just so much to see but the best thing about New York City

the best thing about New York City

the best thing about New York City is They Might Be Giants They Might Be

is They Might Be Giants They Might Be

is They Might Be Giants They Might Be Giants and and are get old and we still

Giants and and are get old and we still

Giants and and are get old and we still haven't walked in the glow of each

haven't walked in the glow of each

haven't walked in the glow of each other's

other's

other's Majestic

Majestic

Majestic sing let's start hey

I'm John cerr chairman of the board of

I'm John cerr chairman of the board of

I'm John cerr chairman of the board of Selectmen of Lincoln Massachusetts and I

Selectmen of Lincoln Massachusetts and I

Selectmen of Lincoln Massachusetts and I now officially declare this documentary

[Music]

open

open

open as I got hit by a car there was a

as I got hit by a car there was a

as I got hit by a car there was a message for

message for

message for [Music]

[Music]

[Music] me as I went through the windshield I

me as I went through the windshield I

me as I went through the windshield I noticed

something

something

something [Music]

something good

something good

something good important and hard to

important and hard to

important and hard to see

see

see [Music]

sublim I don't remember meet ever

sublim I don't remember meet ever

sublim I don't remember meet ever meeting you yeah I think that I at some

meeting you yeah I think that I at some

meeting you yeah I think that I at some point early on I got John confused with

point early on I got John confused with

point early on I got John confused with a bunch of other students who were in

a bunch of other students who were in

a bunch of other students who were in the next uh grade you had an accident

the next uh grade you had an accident

the next uh grade you had an accident had to go to the hospital in like sixth

had to go to the hospital in like sixth

had to go to the hospital in like sixth grade or seventh grade and they made

grade or seventh grade and they made

grade or seventh grade and they made everybody write cards it was a like

everybody write cards it was a like

everybody write cards it was a like singularly bogus thing but because our

singularly bogus thing but because our

singularly bogus thing but because our our schoolmate John had to go to the

our schoolmate John had to go to the

our schoolmate John had to go to the hospital we all had to write him letters

hospital we all had to write him letters

hospital we all had to write him letters saying like get well soon right 90% of

saying like get well soon right 90% of

saying like get well soon right 90% of these kids had never heard of me or met

these kids had never heard of me or met

these kids had never heard of me or met me so I got this giant pile of cards

me so I got this giant pile of cards

me so I got this giant pile of cards which I probably threw them away I'm

which I probably threw them away I'm

which I probably threw them away I'm sorry to say John I'd love to look

sorry to say John I'd love to look

sorry to say John I'd love to look through them find yours but uh it was

through them find yours but uh it was

through them find yours but uh it was actually really mysterious on my end too

actually really mysterious on my end too

actually really mysterious on my end too CU I got all these cars from people I

CU I got all these cars from people I

CU I got all these cars from people I didn't know yeah I think my C said like

didn't know yeah I think my C said like

didn't know yeah I think my C said like John Lenell I don't know

John Lenell I don't know

John Lenell I don't know you I think I probably met him in the

you I think I probably met him in the

you I think I probably met him in the hallways of our Junior High School at

hallways of our Junior High School at

hallways of our Junior High School at some point um and he was like a very you

some point um and he was like a very you

some point um and he was like a very you know um

know um

know um uh you know he was way more gregarious

uh you know he was way more gregarious

uh you know he was way more gregarious than I was and he was kind of interested

than I was and he was kind of interested

than I was and he was kind of interested in just like you know talking like you

in just like you know talking like you

in just like you know talking like you know I think I was a much more shy kid

know I think I was a much more shy kid

know I think I was a much more shy kid well you know John is a year older than

well you know John is a year older than

well you know John is a year older than me so it doesn't it doesn't seem like

me so it doesn't it doesn't seem like

me so it doesn't it doesn't seem like that you know big a deal when you're you

that you know big a deal when you're you

that you know big a deal when you're you know 41 in 42 to be a year different but

know 41 in 42 to be a year different but

know 41 in 42 to be a year different but in a lot of ways our relationship is you

in a lot of ways our relationship is you

in a lot of ways our relationship is you know still kind of Frozen in that way

know still kind of Frozen in that way

know still kind of Frozen in that way that he's always a year older than me we

that he's always a year older than me we

that he's always a year older than me we had a really good friend this guy Jimmy

had a really good friend this guy Jimmy

had a really good friend this guy Jimmy Mack who turned us onto a lot of what

Mack who turned us onto a lot of what

Mack who turned us onto a lot of what essentially was kind of like Proto punk

essentially was kind of like Proto punk

essentially was kind of like Proto punk music he played us the Ramones and he

music he played us the Ramones and he

music he played us the Ramones and he played us thinking in the Sues and all

played us thinking in the Sues and all

played us thinking in the Sues and all this stuff that in

this stuff that in

this stuff that in 1976 77 was really you know pretty much

1976 77 was really you know pretty much

1976 77 was really you know pretty much a local New York experience you know I

a local New York experience you know I

a local New York experience you know I think at that time like I was already

think at that time like I was already

think at that time like I was already geared up to be a complete elitist snob

geared up to be a complete elitist snob

geared up to be a complete elitist snob about music but the thing about Jimmy

about music but the thing about Jimmy

about music but the thing about Jimmy was he was really into the most Mass

was he was really into the most Mass

was he was really into the most Mass Market pop stuff as well when punk rock

Market pop stuff as well when punk rock

Market pop stuff as well when punk rock came along and and New Wave came along

came along and and New Wave came along

came along and and New Wave came along it had the kind of the perfect balance

it had the kind of the perfect balance

it had the kind of the perfect balance of like song

of like song

of like song to uh attitude you know like there was

to uh attitude you know like there was

to uh attitude you know like there was lots of top quality songs like it was

lots of top quality songs like it was

lots of top quality songs like it was really concise and everything really

really concise and everything really

really concise and everything really reflected people's personalities and uh

reflected people's personalities and uh

reflected people's personalities and uh and it was not about being s I mean up

and it was not about being s I mean up

and it was not about being s I mean up until that point I think saying that you

until that point I think saying that you

until that point I think saying that you thought you should be in a rock band was

thought you should be in a rock band was

thought you should be in a rock band was sort of like saying I think I should be

sort of like saying I think I should be

sort of like saying I think I should be the Incredible

the Incredible

the Incredible Hulk how cyclop Rock then you go and

Hulk how cyclop Rock then you go and

Hulk how cyclop Rock then you go and turn around and break my heart waste my

turn around and break my heart waste my

turn around and break my heart waste my cyclop I got a

cyclops I'm they're some type of cranky

cyclops I'm they're some type of cranky

cyclops I'm they're some type of cranky New England Yankees you know uh I would

New England Yankees you know uh I would

New England Yankees you know uh I would say if you were trying to like

say if you were trying to like

say if you were trying to like put the sort of subspecies of people

put the sort of subspecies of people

put the sort of subspecies of people that they're in um they're they're you

that they're in um they're they're you

that they're in um they're they're you know they have a p Puritan elements to

know they have a p Puritan elements to

know they have a p Puritan elements to their you know components they have like

their you know components they have like

their you know components they have like you know old-fashioned New England

you know old-fashioned New England

you know old-fashioned New England liberal uh um elements uh and also sort

liberal uh um elements uh and also sort

liberal uh um elements uh and also sort of these really boho um Williamsburg you

of these really boho um Williamsburg you

of these really boho um Williamsburg you know art you know Williamsburg art [\h__\h]

know art you know Williamsburg art [\h__\h]

know art you know Williamsburg art [\h__\h] type of you know Tendencies You know I

type of you know Tendencies You know I

type of you know Tendencies You know I mean you know and I say that in the

mean you know and I say that in the

mean you know and I say that in the caring

caring

caring [Music]

[Music]

[Music] life they've never really relied on

life they've never really relied on

life they've never really relied on being signed per se they they record

being signed per se they they record

being signed per se they they record what they want to record they play the

what they want to record they play the

what they want to record they play the songs they want to play they tour when

songs they want to play they tour when

songs they want to play they tour when they want to tour they've made unique

they want to tour they've made unique

they want to tour they've made unique videos that were accepted early on uh

videos that were accepted early on uh

videos that were accepted early on uh they've opened the doors for other

they've opened the doors for other

they've opened the doors for other alternative artists they've they've

alternative artists they've they've

alternative artists they've they've really been the Vanguard of of

really been the Vanguard of of

really been the Vanguard of of alternative and I think that their

alternative and I think that their

alternative and I think that their importance can't be underestimated

importance can't be underestimated

importance can't be underestimated [Music]

[Music]

[Music] it was sweet like let pain is sweet but

it was sweet like let pain is sweet but

it was sweet like let pain is sweet but the after effect left me paralyzed I

the after effect left me paralyzed I

the after effect left me paralyzed I just stare with my one class ey hoping

just stare with my one class ey hoping

just stare with my one class ey hoping you won't be back again there's a whole

you won't be back again there's a whole

you won't be back again there's a whole how serious a documentary is this

how serious a documentary is this

how serious a documentary is this actually I mean have people

actually I mean have people

actually I mean have people been truthful or yeah people been most

been truthful or yeah people been most

been truthful or yeah people been most truthful have people pretty much said

truthful have people pretty much said

truthful have people pretty much said that they're nice guys or what's the

that they're nice guys or what's the

that they're nice guys or what's the most people say that they're nice

most people say that they're nice

most people say that they're nice guy have you talked to anybody that

guy have you talked to anybody that

guy have you talked to anybody that really knows

really knows

really knows [Music]

[Music]

[Music] them then you go turn around and break

them then you go turn around and break

them then you go turn around and break my heart was

my heart was

my heart was my time I've got

my time I've got

my time I've got [Music]

a you could participate in the rock and

a you could participate in the rock and

a you could participate in the rock and roll with They Might Be Giants but it

roll with They Might Be Giants but it

roll with They Might Be Giants but it didn't you didn't have to be prect

didn't you didn't have to be prect

didn't you didn't have to be prect pretending to be um more messed up than

pretending to be um more messed up than

pretending to be um more messed up than you are you know you didn't have to

you are you know you didn't have to

you are you know you didn't have to pretend to be some bakan alien messed up

pretend to be some bakan alien messed up

pretend to be some bakan alien messed up person that um you could just be a

person that um you could just be a

person that um you could just be a normal middle class driver and um still

normal middle class driver and um still

normal middle class driver and um still enjoy um songs in 44 time and I always

enjoy um songs in 44 time and I always

enjoy um songs in 44 time and I always thought the perfect symbol of that was

thought the perfect symbol of that was

thought the perfect symbol of that was uh you know how they like flipped that

uh you know how they like flipped that

uh you know how they like flipped that old who slogan um hope I die before I

old who slogan um hope I die before I

old who slogan um hope I die before I get old and they have the song I hope

get old and they have the song I hope

get old and they have the song I hope that I get old before I die oh

it's a long long rope used to hang soon

it's a long long rope used to hang soon

it's a long long rope used to hang soon I hope and I wonder why this has why why

I hope and I wonder why this has why why

I hope and I wonder why this has why why why and I think about the dirt that I'll

why and I think about the dirt that I'll

why and I think about the dirt that I'll bearing for a shirt and I hope I get old

bearing for a shirt and I hope I get old

bearing for a shirt and I hope I get old before

before

before I we want to rebel against that bakan

I we want to rebel against that bakan

I we want to rebel against that bakan alian 60s sex drug thing because that

alian 60s sex drug thing because that

alian 60s sex drug thing because that didn't really work and you know uh

didn't really work and you know uh

didn't really work and you know uh alcoholics sleeping with people they

alcoholics sleeping with people they

alcoholics sleeping with people they don't know is it that isn't a really

don't know is it that isn't a really

don't know is it that isn't a really attractive movement to me so I always um

attractive movement to me so I always um

attractive movement to me so I always um I always liked that about They Might Be

I always liked that about They Might Be

I always liked that about They Might Be Giants They Might Be Giants there might

Giants They Might Be Giants there might

Giants They Might Be Giants there might be

be

be rain they might be heat they might be

rain they might be heat they might be

rain they might be heat they might be frying up a stock of

frying up a stock of

frying up a stock of wheat They Might Be Giants they might be

wheat They Might Be Giants they might be

wheat They Might Be Giants they might be brain they might be wash they might be

brain they might be wash they might be

brain they might be wash they might be Dr Spock's backup

Dr Spock's backup

Dr Spock's backup band tabloid Footprints in your hair

band tabloid Footprints in your hair

band tabloid Footprints in your hair tabloid Footprints

tabloid Footprints

tabloid Footprints everywhere we can't be silent cuz They

everywhere we can't be silent cuz They

everywhere we can't be silent cuz They Might Be Giants and and what are we

Might Be Giants and and what are we

Might Be Giants and and what are we going to do unless they are it's like

going to do unless they are it's like

going to do unless they are it's like the 20th anniversary They Might Be

the 20th anniversary They Might Be

the 20th anniversary They Might Be Giants now right you guys have been

Giants now right you guys have been

Giants now right you guys have been around um Wonder well we aren't the

around um Wonder well we aren't the

around um Wonder well we aren't the original members of the band but but if

original members of the band but but if

original members of the band but but if John and John the original guys were

John and John the original guys were

John and John the original guys were here we have some stories to tell we

here we have some stories to tell we

here we have some stories to tell we have a new album coming out as well have

have a new album coming out as well have

have a new album coming out as well have you working on that uh we've been

you working on that uh we've been

you working on that uh we've been working on a record we're actually

working on a record we're actually

working on a record we're actually working on it right now we're sort of

working on it right now we're sort of

working on it right now we're sort of wrapping it up yeah this is the sketch

wrapping it up yeah this is the sketch

wrapping it up yeah this is the sketch of it so loud in

here

done disco

styly he's your

friend welcome to the

friend welcome to the

friend welcome to the liel so it's

liel so it's

liel so it's [Music]

[Music]

[Music] like it's always a little bit tense when

like it's always a little bit tense when

like it's always a little bit tense when we're when we're uh playing each other's

we're when we're uh playing each other's

we're when we're uh playing each other's stuff cuz you don't want to have your

stuff cuz you don't want to have your

stuff cuz you don't want to have your ego shattered but we're you know I think

ego shattered but we're you know I think

ego shattered but we're you know I think we're both tough now what are you

we're both tough now what are you

we're both tough now what are you thinking Adam the only thing Arrangement

thinking Adam the only thing Arrangement

thinking Adam the only thing Arrangement wise is that I feel like there's a

wise is that I feel like there's a

wise is that I feel like there's a little bit of like the enough already

little bit of like the enough already

little bit of like the enough already Factor by the repeat double Chorus at

Factor by the repeat double Chorus at

Factor by the repeat double Chorus at the end like maybe either something very

the end like maybe either something very

the end like maybe either something very different has to happen in there or else

different has to happen in there or else

different has to happen in there or else maybe just not do a double chorus or

maybe just not do a double chorus or

maybe just not do a double chorus or something I suggested that but that was

something I suggested that but that was

something I suggested that but that was vetoed a while back yeah I'm I'm not

vetoed a while back yeah I'm I'm not

vetoed a while back yeah I'm I'm not into I mean because of because of the

into I mean because of because of the

into I mean because of because of the bridge already having this kind of built

bridge already having this kind of built

bridge already having this kind of built in

in

in modulation Cry for Help yeah I

modulation Cry for Help yeah I

modulation Cry for Help yeah I mean interesting man what about this I'm

mean interesting man what about this I'm

mean interesting man what about this I'm still here playing a song man right I

still here playing a song man right I

still here playing a song man right I think both of us you know um run the

think both of us you know um run the

think both of us you know um run the risk of being really precious about what

risk of being really precious about what

risk of being really precious about what we do coming up with strategies that

we do coming up with strategies that

we do coming up with strategies that sort of try to to get you know make us

sort of try to to get you know make us

sort of try to to get you know make us work more spontaneously or uh you know

work more spontaneously or uh you know

work more spontaneously or uh you know do stuff relatively quickly have always

do stuff relatively quickly have always

do stuff relatively quickly have always kind of worked well for us the third

kind of worked well for us the third

kind of worked well for us the third phrase a little bit more different it'll

phrase a little bit more different it'll

phrase a little bit more different it'll it'll you know it'll give it that extra

it'll you know it'll give it that extra

it'll you know it'll give it that extra bit of what this the six minor yeah yeah

bit of what this the six minor yeah yeah

bit of what this the six minor yeah yeah what if you just land on a different

what if you just land on a different

what if you just land on a different place I was going to I mean this isn't

place I was going to I mean this isn't

place I was going to I mean this isn't really for now but like when you track

really for now but like when you track

really for now but like when you track the vocal you know you mean the the

the vocal you know you mean the the

the vocal you know you mean the the fourth time the fourth repeat I the

fourth time the fourth repeat I the

fourth time the fourth repeat I the third one third one so like this yeah oh

third one third one so like this yeah oh

third one third one so like this yeah oh see I that's that to me is like seems

see I that's that to me is like seems

see I that's that to me is like seems like sort of the the hook of it yeah no

like sort of the the hook of it yeah no

like sort of the the hook of it yeah no it's great it's good but you want to but

it's great it's good but you want to but

it's great it's good but you want to but you want to change it I'm just

you want to change it I'm just

you want to change it I'm just suggesting right it's

suggesting right it's

suggesting right it's Fantastico good yeah the cringe problem

Fantastico good yeah the cringe problem

Fantastico good yeah the cringe problem we're both super tuned into that and we

we're both super tuned into that and we

we're both super tuned into that and we usually uh um do some kind of an end run

usually uh um do some kind of an end run

usually uh um do some kind of an end run you know some kind of a disclaimer

you know some kind of a disclaimer

you know some kind of a disclaimer beforehand like I know I know but just

beforehand like I know I know but just

beforehand like I know I know but just get over that imagine it better you know

get over that imagine it better you know

get over that imagine it better you know I mean we we we know each other pretty

I mean we we we know each other pretty

I mean we we we know each other pretty well at this point so we don't I don't

well at this point so we don't I don't

well at this point so we don't I don't think there's any secret cringing going

on

all right we'll put that into Pro Tools

all right we'll put that into Pro Tools

all right we'll put that into Pro Tools fellas I don't think we'll have any

fellas I don't think we'll have any

fellas I don't think we'll have any problems thanks thanks a lot thanks that

problems thanks thanks a lot thanks that

problems thanks thanks a lot thanks that was

great I mean we got here in 80 I guess '

great I mean we got here in 80 I guess '

great I mean we got here in 80 I guess ' 81 I think we were sort of fully

81 I think we were sort of fully

81 I think we were sort of fully expecting it to be this like you know

expecting it to be this like you know

expecting it to be this like you know glittering you know uh kind of you know

glittering you know uh kind of you know

glittering you know uh kind of you know punk rock heaven and you know there just

punk rock heaven and you know there just

punk rock heaven and you know there just there was just kind of nothing left we

there was just kind of nothing left we

there was just kind of nothing left we had a whole lot of conversations about

had a whole lot of conversations about

had a whole lot of conversations about what how we were going to do this and I

what how we were going to do this and I

what how we were going to do this and I think it started with one of us wanting

think it started with one of us wanting

think it started with one of us wanting to to get a band and the other one

to to get a band and the other one

to to get a band and the other one wanting to do some more high-tech Duo

wanting to do some more high-tech Duo

wanting to do some more high-tech Duo thing and then we figured out a way to

thing and then we figured out a way to

thing and then we figured out a way to do something that we both liked using

do something that we both liked using

do something that we both liked using just a real toore tape recorder playing

just a real toore tape recorder playing

just a real toore tape recorder playing straight through just pressing play and

going I'm going down to C to cow's to me

going I'm going down to C to cow's to me

going I'm going down to C to cow's to me lives beneath the ocean that's where I

lives beneath the ocean that's where I

lives beneath the ocean that's where I will be beneath waves the waves on the

will be beneath waves the waves on the

will be beneath waves the waves on the where I will be I'm going to see the cow

where I will be I'm going to see the cow

where I will be I'm going to see the cow the

the

the sea the tape machine

sea the tape machine

sea the tape machine became making a virtue of necessity

became making a virtue of necessity

became making a virtue of necessity really that uh it was a way to be able

really that uh it was a way to be able

really that uh it was a way to be able to let the song decide what needed to be

to let the song decide what needed to be

to let the song decide what needed to be done not who could play what I think

done not who could play what I think

done not who could play what I think that at the outset especially when the

that at the outset especially when the

that at the outset especially when the Giants um tried to crash the New York

Giants um tried to crash the New York

Giants um tried to crash the New York rocks seene it really did seem sort of a

rocks seene it really did seem sort of a

rocks seene it really did seem sort of a hopeless Venture sometimes it might be

hopeless Venture sometimes it might be

hopeless Venture sometimes it might be somebody like guns and roses and They

somebody like guns and roses and They

somebody like guns and roses and They Might Be Giants and you didn't find a

Might Be Giants and you didn't find a

Might Be Giants and you didn't find a whole lot of crossover fans they had

whole lot of crossover fans they had

whole lot of crossover fans they had some hostile audiences certainly you

some hostile audiences certainly you

some hostile audiences certainly you know and they had but I I think

know and they had but I I think

know and they had but I I think more more difficult than a hostile

more more difficult than a hostile

more more difficult than a hostile audience is an apathetic audience you

audience is an apathetic audience you

audience is an apathetic audience you know or a small audience that you know

know or a small audience that you know

know or a small audience that you know or an audience of just five

or an audience of just five

or an audience of just five friends wigg Sals thank you all for

friends wigg Sals thank you all for

friends wigg Sals thank you all for coming we Might Be

coming we Might Be

coming we Might Be Giants this is how our Show Goes some

Giants this is how our Show Goes some

Giants this is how our Show Goes some magicians just thought they were

magicians just thought they were

magicians just thought they were ridiculous you know it was like the

ridiculous you know it was like the

ridiculous you know it was like the antithesis of

antithesis of

antithesis of musician

musician

musician [Music]

rbb the music was important but there

rbb the music was important but there

rbb the music was important but there was a show and it was was not something

was a show and it was was not something

was a show and it was was not something that you'd leave and go how about that

that you'd leave and go how about that

that you'd leave and go how about that song it was something you'd leave and go

song it was something you'd leave and go

song it was something you'd leave and go what what was a deal with The Fez but

what what was a deal with The Fez but

what what was a deal with The Fez but luckily for us within another couple of

luckily for us within another couple of

luckily for us within another couple of years we kind of managed to make this

years we kind of managed to make this

years we kind of managed to make this lateral move into

lateral move into

lateral move into the the real East Village like

the the real East Village like

the the real East Village like performance World certain venues were

performance World certain venues were

performance World certain venues were making a real conscious effort to mingle

making a real conscious effort to mingle

making a real conscious effort to mingle theater and performance art and rock

theater and performance art and rock

theater and performance art and rock bands and you know drag queens and

bands and you know drag queens and

bands and you know drag queens and nudity and drunkenness and uh substance

nudity and drunkenness and uh substance

nudity and drunkenness and uh substance abuse as you know a general

abuse as you know a general

abuse as you know a general General thing and and They Might Be

General thing and and They Might Be

General thing and and They Might Be Giants uh fit perfectly in that I mean

Giants uh fit perfectly in that I mean

Giants uh fit perfectly in that I mean especially their early shows where they

especially their early shows where they

especially their early shows where they were using a lot of props they had this

were using a lot of props they had this

were using a lot of props they had this big stick that had a microphone attached

big stick that had a microphone attached

big stick that had a microphone attached to the bottom that they bang on the

to the bottom that they bang on the

to the bottom that they bang on the stage and would Reverb and for the song

stage and would Reverb and for the song

stage and would Reverb and for the song lies still little bottle and that would

lies still little bottle and that would

lies still little bottle and that would be I think the only accompaniment maybe

be I think the only accompaniment maybe

be I think the only accompaniment maybe to the song was this people would be

to the song was this people would be

to the song was this people would be like the stick the

stick

they did this

they did this

they did this song and I still think it's probably one

song and I still think it's probably one

song and I still think it's probably one of the most amazing things I've ever

of the most amazing things I've ever

of the most amazing things I've ever seen on a stage where Lenell is playing

seen on a stage where Lenell is playing

seen on a stage where Lenell is playing his saxophone flans is doing the vocal

his saxophone flans is doing the vocal

his saxophone flans is doing the vocal and that's all there is except there's a

and that's all there is except there's a

and that's all there is except there's a percussion

[Music]

last

last

last little shake my shaky hand a black C is

little shake my shaky hand a black C is

little shake my shaky hand a black C is not

enough it sounded so good so perfect the

enough it sounded so good so perfect the

enough it sounded so good so perfect the picture was perfect you wouldn't want to

picture was perfect you wouldn't want to

picture was perfect you wouldn't want to add anything else to it it was very

add anything else to it it was very

add anything else to it it was very impressive playing at APC and durinka

impressive playing at APC and durinka

impressive playing at APC and durinka and the pyramid club which were all

and the pyramid club which were all

and the pyramid club which were all these East Village kind of trendy clubs

these East Village kind of trendy clubs

these East Village kind of trendy clubs very much in the sort of mid 80s moment

very much in the sort of mid 80s moment

very much in the sort of mid 80s moment was as a performer I have to say like

was as a performer I have to say like

was as a performer I have to say like there was like really like some of the

there was like really like some of the

there was like really like some of the happiest times of my life abbc for

happiest times of my life abbc for

happiest times of my life abbc for example was sort of set up like the the

example was sort of set up like the the

example was sort of set up like the the the the in The Little Rascals where

the the in The Little Rascals where

the the in The Little Rascals where there's like a big handmade curtain it

there's like a big handmade curtain it

there's like a big handmade curtain it was such a positive vibe you know for

was such a positive vibe you know for

was such a positive vibe you know for the audience too I think everybody was

the audience too I think everybody was

the audience too I think everybody was really happy to go out and see a real

really happy to go out and see a real

really happy to go out and see a real show there were a lot of places like

show there were a lot of places like

show there were a lot of places like that in the East Village um one of them

that in the East Village um one of them

that in the East Village um one of them was called durinka and it was a little

was called durinka and it was a little

was called durinka and it was a little room you know it was somebody's

room you know it was somebody's

room you know it was somebody's apartment that had been converted into a

apartment that had been converted into a

apartment that had been converted into a tiny Club I felt like we were at the

tiny Club I felt like we were at the

tiny Club I felt like we were at the house band there this guy named Gary Ray

house band there this guy named Gary Ray

house band there this guy named Gary Ray was the guy who who booked it and you

was the guy who who booked it and you

was the guy who who booked it and you know he was just just doing the stuff

know he was just just doing the stuff

know he was just just doing the stuff that he liked but it but it actually had

that he liked but it but it actually had

that he liked but it but it actually had a scene in there were people showing up

a scene in there were people showing up

a scene in there were people showing up they come to see Karen Finley or um

they come to see Karen Finley or um

they come to see Karen Finley or um Steve bushy just people who were doing

Steve bushy just people who were doing

Steve bushy just people who were doing some Oddball kind of performance they

some Oddball kind of performance they

some Oddball kind of performance they had a monthly show and like I say in the

had a monthly show and like I say in the

had a monthly show and like I say in the beginning there were 10 15 people and

beginning there were 10 15 people and

beginning there were 10 15 people and they built it up now our place could now

they built it up now our place could now

they built it up now our place could now we weren't legal but if we were legal

we weren't legal but if we were legal

we weren't legal but if we were legal they probably say okay you have a

they probably say okay you have a

they probably say okay you have a capacity of 90 people or 100 well

capacity of 90 people or 100 well

capacity of 90 people or 100 well eventually we got probably about 350

eventually we got probably about 350

eventually we got probably about 350 people into that place and whenever they

people into that place and whenever they

people into that place and whenever they kicked into um it's that song don't

kicked into um it's that song don't

kicked into um it's that song don't don't don't let it start um I've got a

don't don't let it start um I've got a

don't don't let it start um I've got a weak heart whatever the hell that song

weak heart whatever the hell that song

weak heart whatever the hell that song was whenever they kicked into that I

was whenever they kicked into that I

was whenever they kicked into that I just you know this warm wave would come

just you know this warm wave would come

just you know this warm wave would come across my entire body and

across my entire body and

across my entire body and say you're

say you're

say you're [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

[Music]

[Music] home

home

home [Music]

[Music]

[Music] don't let's start this is the wi part

don't let's start this is the wi part

don't let's start this is the wi part believe for all the world that you are

believe for all the world that you are

believe for all the world that you are my prous little girl but let's start

my prous little girl but let's start

my prous little girl but let's start I've got a Wiig now get around I you get

I've got a Wiig now get around I you get

I've got a Wiig now get around I you get [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

[Music]

[Music] around when you are alone you are the

around when you are alone you are the

around when you are alone you are the cat you are the con you are an animal

words I'm singing me nothing more than

words I'm singing me nothing more than

words I'm singing me nothing more than me out to a

animal wake up smile the cat in your B

animal wake up smile the cat in your B

animal wake up smile the cat in your B again stop the that Wags the world

again stop the that Wags the world

again stop the that Wags the world destruction over and over to and do I

destruction over and over to and do I

destruction over and over to and do I need apop T this T down down don't let's

need apop T this T down down don't let's

need apop T this T down down don't let's start this is the wi SP for all the

start this is the wi SP for all the

start this is the wi SP for all the world that you are my PRS little girl

world that you are my PRS little girl

world that you are my PRS little girl but do do don't let's start I've got a

but do do don't let's start I've got a

but do do don't let's start I've got a wig heart now I'll get R how you get

wig heart now I'll get R how you get

wig heart now I'll get R how you get [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

[Music]

[Music] around no one in the world ever gets

around no one in the world ever gets

around no one in the world ever gets what they want and that is

beautiful everybody dies frustrated and

beautiful everybody dies frustrated and

beautiful everybody dies frustrated and sad and that is is

sad and that is is

sad and that is is beautiful they want what they're not and

beautiful they want what they're not and

beautiful they want what they're not and I wish they would stop

[Music]

[Music]

[Music] s don't let's start this is the worst

s don't let's start this is the worst

s don't let's start this is the worst part for all the world true my precious

part for all the world true my precious

part for all the world true my precious little girl but down down down let's

little girl but down down down let's

little girl but down down down let's start I've got a we hard

start I've got a we hard

start I've got a we hard R how you get

R

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[Music]

[Music] I let start this is the

I let start this is the

I let start this is the SP my pre little

SP my pre little

SP my pre little girls start got

girls start got

girls start got [Music]

[Music]

[Music] a how you

get

get

get [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] no one in the world ever gets what they

no one in the world ever gets what they

no one in the world ever gets what they want and that is beautiful everybody

want and that is beautiful everybody

want and that is beautiful everybody dies frustrated and sad and that is

dies frustrated and sad and that is

dies frustrated and sad and that is beautiful one of the really curious

beautiful one of the really curious

beautiful one of the really curious things about they might be Giant Songs

things about they might be Giant Songs

things about they might be Giant Songs is um if you just looked at a lyric

is um if you just looked at a lyric

is um if you just looked at a lyric sheet you would probably think it you

sheet you would probably think it you

sheet you would probably think it you know this would be like song after song

know this would be like song after song

know this would be like song after song would just be some durge you know

would just be some durge you know

would just be some durge you know because some of the lyrics are really

because some of the lyrics are really

because some of the lyrics are really depressing um

depressing um

depressing um like um the

like um the

like um the lyric everybody dies frustrated and sad

lyric everybody dies frustrated and sad

lyric everybody dies frustrated and sad and that is beautiful you know kind of a

and that is beautiful you know kind of a

and that is beautiful you know kind of a downer idea but it's you know it's in

downer idea but it's you know it's in

downer idea but it's you know it's in this uh it's beat everybody does

this uh it's beat everybody does

this uh it's beat everybody does frustrated and sad and um so many of

frustrated and sad and um so many of

frustrated and sad and um so many of their songs are like that you know like

their songs are like that you know like

their songs are like that you know like the one you're older than you've ever

the one you're older than you've ever

the one you're older than you've ever been and now you're even older and um

been and now you're even older and um

been and now you're even older and um now you're older still and it's just

now you're older still and it's just

now you're older still and it's just like you're going to die but it's done

like you're going to die but it's done

like you're going to die but it's done the music the sound just comes in and

the music the sound just comes in and

the music the sound just comes in and cheers you up you're older than you've

cheers you up you're older than you've

cheers you up you're older than you've ever been and now you're even older and

ever been and now you're even older and

ever been and now you're even older and now you're even older and now you're

now you're even older and now you're

now you're even older and now you're even older you're older than you've ever

even older you're older than you've ever

even older you're older than you've ever been and now you're even older and now

been and now you're even older and now

been and now you're even older and now you're older

you're older

you're older still

time is marching

on end

on end

on end time

is still marching

on this day will soon be at an end and

on this day will soon be at an end and

on this day will soon be at an end and now it's even sooner and now it's even

now it's even sooner and now it's even

now it's even sooner and now it's even sooner and now it's even sooner this day

sooner and now it's even sooner this day

sooner and now it's even sooner this day will soon be at an end and now it's even

will soon be at an end and now it's even

will soon be at an end and now it's even sooner and now it's sooner still

sooner and now it's sooner still

sooner and now it's sooner still because I think even the songs that

because I think even the songs that

because I think even the songs that might initially seem peppy and then they

might initially seem peppy and then they

might initially seem peppy and then they actually seem to be like they're about

actually seem to be like they're about

actually seem to be like they're about like I'm dead and you walk in my grave I

like I'm dead and you walk in my grave I

like I'm dead and you walk in my grave I think um I think even then if you

think um I think even then if you

think um I think even then if you continue with those songs you know I

continue with those songs you know I

continue with those songs you know I think they're actually pey again in a

think they're actually pey again in a

think they're actually pey again in a sort of a a horrible way you know like a

sort of a a horrible way you know like a

sort of a a horrible way you know like a really uh uh Dreadful I mean in a good

really uh uh Dreadful I mean in a good

really uh uh Dreadful I mean in a good way dreadfully good you know good

way dreadfully good you know good

way dreadfully good you know good Dreadful

um they're weird songs guys are so so

um they're weird songs guys are so so

um they're weird songs guys are so so funny you know I just played her um the

funny you know I just played her um the

funny you know I just played her um the song they'll need a crane and I said

song they'll need a crane and I said

song they'll need a crane and I said well actually I think you know the song

well actually I think you know the song

well actually I think you know the song is kind of sad they'll need a crane I

is kind of sad they'll need a crane I

is kind of sad they'll need a crane I think it's about a divorce and it might

think it's about a divorce and it might

think it's about a divorce and it might even be about one of the John's parents

even be about one of the John's parents

even be about one of the John's parents you know uh and uh she said that's it

you know uh and uh she said that's it

you know uh and uh she said that's it they're funny but they're sad and uh

they're funny but they're sad and uh

they're funny but they're sad and uh which at the time seemed ludicrous but

which at the time seemed ludicrous but

which at the time seemed ludicrous but but really is probably probably true as

but really is probably probably true as

but really is probably probably true as far as I'm concerned for what we do it's

far as I'm concerned for what we do it's

far as I'm concerned for what we do it's not interesting just to like publicly

not interesting just to like publicly

not interesting just to like publicly cry you know it's it's it doesn't make

cry you know it's it's it doesn't make

cry you know it's it's it doesn't make it's not even it doesn't even have the

it's not even it doesn't even have the

it's not even it doesn't even have the effect of making me sad if somebody else

effect of making me sad if somebody else

effect of making me sad if somebody else is doing that I think the thing that's

is doing that I think the thing that's

is doing that I think the thing that's really sad is when

really sad is when

really sad is when somebody represents some kind of inner

somebody represents some kind of inner

somebody represents some kind of inner sadness some other way there's a pretty

sadness some other way there's a pretty

sadness some other way there's a pretty Relentless thread in the text of our

Relentless thread in the text of our

Relentless thread in the text of our songs especially in the like the first

songs especially in the like the first

songs especially in the like the first you know the first 15 years of our songw

you know the first 15 years of our songw

you know the first 15 years of our songw writing that's that's that's pretty

writing that's that's that's pretty

writing that's that's that's pretty relentlessly uh you know uh you know

relentlessly uh you know uh you know

relentlessly uh you know uh you know kind of Earth chattering

kind of Earth chattering

kind of Earth chattering [Music]

[Music]

[Music] D or else's get you someone's going to

D or else's get you someone's going to

D or else's get you someone's going to get you someone's going to get you hide

get you someone's going to get you hide

get you someone's going to get you hide away BR family better hide

away BR family better hide

away BR family better hide away better hide

away better hide

away better hide away so this is

uh this is the studio this is

uh this is the studio this is

uh this is the studio this is my my one bedroom

my my one bedroom

my my one bedroom apartment that I lived in all through

apartment that I lived in all through

apartment that I lived in all through the ' 80s and '90s

the ' 80s and '90s

the ' 80s and '90s and

and

and uh it's now my workpace this apartment

uh it's now my workpace this apartment

uh it's now my workpace this apartment is also the home of

is also the home of

is also the home of dialon which

dialon which

dialon which is this trusty record call

is this trusty record call

is this trusty record call 675 which can be

675 which can be

675 which can be found uh this cost

found uh this cost

found uh this cost $2 when they did dial a song which was

$2 when they did dial a song which was

$2 when they did dial a song which was really basically a a way of of uh

really basically a a way of of uh

really basically a a way of of uh filling in the Gap when Lenell was

filling in the Gap when Lenell was

filling in the Gap when Lenell was injured in a bike uh accident he was a

injured in a bike uh accident he was a

injured in a bike uh accident he was a bike messenger and broke a small bone in

bike messenger and broke a small bone in

bike messenger and broke a small bone in his uh in his hand and they couldn't

his uh in his hand and they couldn't

his uh in his hand and they couldn't play flansburg came up with dong as sort

play flansburg came up with dong as sort

play flansburg came up with dong as sort of a stop Gap measure just as a way of

of a stop Gap measure just as a way of

of a stop Gap measure just as a way of of producing stuff of still keeping

of producing stuff of still keeping

of producing stuff of still keeping their visibility the coolest thing about

their visibility the coolest thing about

their visibility the coolest thing about it was just like you know we got to

it was just like you know we got to

it was just like you know we got to write more songs yeah it was often a way

write more songs yeah it was often a way

write more songs yeah it was often a way that we you know it was a way to get

that we you know it was a way to get

that we you know it was a way to get things done when we were kind of

things done when we were kind of

things done when we were kind of scratching her head saying well I just

scratching her head saying well I just

scratching her head saying well I just wrote 10 songs I don't need to write any

wrote 10 songs I don't need to write any

wrote 10 songs I don't need to write any more songs right we actually we ran this

more songs right we actually we ran this

more songs right we actually we ran this ad in the Village Voice and the on the

ad in the Village Voice and the on the

ad in the Village Voice and the on the back of the Village Voice that was like

back of the Village Voice that was like

back of the Village Voice that was like kind of the primary way that it was

kind of the primary way that it was

kind of the primary way that it was advertised everybody checked the

advertised everybody checked the

advertised everybody checked the bulletin board whether it was for

bulletin board whether it was for

bulletin board whether it was for finding a lover or something else going

finding a lover or something else going

finding a lover or something else going on tickets for something who knows the

on tickets for something who knows the

on tickets for something who knows the massage parlor ads cost 50 bucks and the

massage parlor ads cost 50 bucks and the

massage parlor ads cost 50 bucks and the personal ads cost 10 bucks so I actually

personal ads cost 10 bucks so I actually

personal ads cost 10 bucks so I actually told them that it was just a personal

told them that it was just a personal

told them that it was just a personal it's like my personal message I have

it's like my personal message I have

it's like my personal message I have this dial song service and they're like

this dial song service and they're like

this dial song service and they're like is this a business no is this like

is this a business no is this like

is this a business no is this like promoting something I was like no just

promoting something I was like no just

promoting something I was like no just my thing like just my it's my little

my thing like just my it's my little

my thing like just my it's my little trip leave me alone and I would pay my

trip leave me alone and I would pay my

trip leave me alone and I would pay my $10 every week and um and but because of

$10 every week and um and but because of

$10 every week and um and but because of that I was afraid to ever put a a

that I was afraid to ever put a a

that I was afraid to ever put a a message that said where we were playing

message that said where we were playing

message that said where we were playing or who we were or anything about the

or who we were or anything about the

or who we were or anything about the band on the machine so when you call

band on the machine so when you call

band on the machine so when you call dong all you heard was the song The

dong all you heard was the song The

dong all you heard was the song The thing about Dong this is still the case

thing about Dong this is still the case

thing about Dong this is still the case is that when you call up you're the only

is that when you call up you're the only

is that when you call up you're the only person it's you and the Machine there's

person it's you and the Machine there's

person it's you and the Machine there's no there's only One telephone line so

no there's only One telephone line so

no there's only One telephone line so the uh tape is playing for you and you

the uh tape is playing for you and you

the uh tape is playing for you and you alone at that particular moment so I I

alone at that particular moment so I I

alone at that particular moment so I I don't know why that's that makes it

don't know why that's that makes it

don't know why that's that makes it better it also uh really bonded you with

better it also uh really bonded you with

better it also uh really bonded you with the band because you could hear songs

the band because you could hear songs

the band because you could hear songs that weren't out yet you could hear

that weren't out yet you could hear

that weren't out yet you could hear songs that were in progress you could

songs that were in progress you could

songs that were in progress you could hear fragments of songs they were they

hear fragments of songs they were they

hear fragments of songs they were they were just working on and um that

were just working on and um that

were just working on and um that provided a a real sense of intimacy with

provided a a real sense of intimacy with

provided a a real sense of intimacy with a band that you don't usually get when I

a band that you don't usually get when I

a band that you don't usually get when I was in high school I used to call up

was in high school I used to call up

was in high school I used to call up dial song all the time and there was a

dial song all the time and there was a

dial song all the time and there was a different song on there all the time and

different song on there all the time and

different song on there all the time and I go how the hell do these guys write

I go how the hell do these guys write

I go how the hell do these guys write and record a song every day I think for

and record a song every day I think for

and record a song every day I think for a while there was changed every day or I

a while there was changed every day or I

a while there was changed every day or I don't know how long it was but every

don't know how long it was but every

don't know how long it was but every time I called it was a different song

time I called it was a different song

time I called it was a different song and sometimes it didn't work and it

and sometimes it didn't work and it

and sometimes it didn't work and it would just ring off the hook or it would

would just ring off the hook or it would

would just ring off the hook or it would be busy and you could even you could

be busy and you could even you could

be busy and you could even you could make 15 minutes out of your day trying

make 15 minutes out of your day trying

make 15 minutes out of your day trying to get through the dial song I Knew

to get through the dial song I Knew

to get through the dial song I Knew people who depended on those on the

people who depended on those on the

people who depended on those on the music on those phones

music on those phones

music on those phones to prove to themselves that you could

to prove to themselves that you could

to prove to themselves that you could renew your life

renew your life

renew your life or um like a little pillow musical

or um like a little pillow musical

or um like a little pillow musical Pillow I could go to sleep with every

Pillow I could go to sleep with every

Pillow I could go to sleep with every night like um kind of like sex phone or

night like um kind of like sex phone or

night like um kind of like sex phone or Sports phone for people who need to hear

Sports phone for people who need to hear

Sports phone for people who need to hear a

a

a tune and that like seem weird to me yeah

tune and that like seem weird to me yeah

tune and that like seem weird to me yeah I would I would call it to Cher myself

I would I would call it to Cher myself

I would I would call it to Cher myself up and I I remember once just being I

up and I I remember once just being I

up and I I remember once just being I don't remember what I was devastated

don't remember what I was devastated

don't remember what I was devastated about like looking back I can't remember

about like looking back I can't remember

about like looking back I can't remember anything really bad that's ever happened

anything really bad that's ever happened

anything really bad that's ever happened to me but um just remember once being in

to me but um just remember once being in

to me but um just remember once being in tears and calling it up and there is

tears and calling it up and there is

tears and calling it up and there is this song about how there's an ant

this song about how there's an ant

this song about how there's an ant crawling up my back I I don't know why I

crawling up my back I I don't know why I

crawling up my back I I don't know why I just started laughing cuz it was just a

just started laughing cuz it was just a

just started laughing cuz it was just a silly idea of this um insect our ants

silly idea of this um insect our ants

silly idea of this um insect our ants insects yes insect um you know tickling

insects yes insect um you know tickling

insects yes insect um you know tickling your skin and um you know how bad can

your skin and um you know how bad can

your skin and um you know how bad can the world be if there's a song about

the world be if there's a song about

the world be if there's a song about that and a phone number in Brooklyn you

that and a phone number in Brooklyn you

that and a phone number in Brooklyn you can call to hear about

can call to hear about

can call to hear about it I got my house around

it I got my house around

it I got my house around dead I know I'm in

dead I know I'm in

dead I know I'm in there come out with both my hands up and

there come out with both my hands up and

there come out with both my hands up and don't make me come in and get

don't make me come in and get

don't make me come in and get me don't make me come in and get me I

me don't make me come in and get me I

me don't make me come in and get me I can't hide from my mind though I

can't hide from my mind though I

can't hide from my mind though I try try try I can't hide from my mind

try try try I can't hide from my mind

try try try I can't hide from my mind though I

try hi this is John of the Giants you've

try hi this is John of the Giants you've

try hi this is John of the Giants you've reached the Giants dial song service 25

reached the Giants dial song service 25

reached the Giants dial song service 25 hours a day 6 days a week diet music at

hours a day 6 days a week diet music at

hours a day 6 days a week diet music at the end of the tunnel for the Next

the end of the tunnel for the Next

the end of the tunnel for the Next Generation thank you for calling tell

Generation thank you for calling tell

Generation thank you for calling tell your friends we're going on tour in a

your friends we're going on tour in a

your friends we're going on tour in a couple of weeks so see us out there on

couple of weeks so see us out there on

couple of weeks so see us out there on the road we'll be in Washington DC

the road we'll be in Washington DC

the road we'll be in Washington DC Baltimore and places in Florida so uh

Baltimore and places in Florida so uh

Baltimore and places in Florida so uh see you there bye so I got home from

see you there bye so I got home from

see you there bye so I got home from work and the entire tape was filled up

work and the entire tape was filled up

work and the entire tape was filled up and I thought all right you know the sty

and I thought all right you know the sty

and I thought all right you know the sty song thing's finally taken off and um

song thing's finally taken off and um

song thing's finally taken off and um then I I I rewound the tape and started

then I I I rewound the tape and started

then I I I rewound the tape and started listening and and you know there were a

listening and and you know there were a

listening and and you know there were a couple of Hang-Ups at the beginning and

couple of Hang-Ups at the beginning and

couple of Hang-Ups at the beginning and then I got this call that was a uh

then I got this call that was a uh

then I got this call that was a uh obviously a uh like a conference call

obviously a uh like a conference call

obviously a uh like a conference call like somebody had gotten the feature on

like somebody had gotten the feature on

like somebody had gotten the feature on their home phone probably just

their home phone probably just

their home phone probably just introduced at that point where they

introduced at that point where they

introduced at that point where they could conference in their friend and it

could conference in their friend and it

could conference in their friend and it it was this woman Gloria who I guess is

it was this woman Gloria who I guess is

it was this woman Gloria who I guess is is you know she seems like sort of a

is you know she seems like sort of a

is you know she seems like sort of a housebound

housebound

housebound person what do you think what do you

person what do you think what do you

person what do you think what do you make out of that recording I don't know

make out of that recording I don't know

make out of that recording I don't know Rory I just some kind of singing they

Rory I just some kind of singing they

Rory I just some kind of singing they sound like all kinds of people right

sound like all kinds of people right

sound like all kinds of people right yeah and then it says another child is

yeah and then it says another child is

yeah and then it says another child is born in India every time you call this

born in India every time you call this

born in India every time you call this number right yeah right does that make

number right yeah right does that make

number right yeah right does that make any sense to you no it doesn't but this

any sense to you no it doesn't but this

any sense to you no it doesn't but this one here there must be Giants it's

one here there must be Giants it's

one here there must be Giants it's called and it says call machine and they

called and it says call machine and they

called and it says call machine and they get the phone number

get the phone number

get the phone number yes but what kind of money does he make

yes but what kind of money does he make

yes but what kind of money does he make do it don't make no sense one of the

do it don't make no sense one of the

do it don't make no sense one of the weird things about recording songs for

weird things about recording songs for

weird things about recording songs for dial song over the years is we realized

dial song over the years is we realized

dial song over the years is we realized that anything with like long sustained

that anything with like long sustained

that anything with like long sustained notes makes it rewind so we we um I

notes makes it rewind so we we um I

notes makes it rewind so we we um I think like on our first album you can

think like on our first album you can

think like on our first album you can actually like tell that we were doing

actually like tell that we were doing

actually like tell that we were doing like short staccato songs simply so

like short staccato songs simply so

like short staccato songs simply so they'd work on D

song I'm not allowed to ever come up

song I'm not allowed to ever come up

song I'm not allowed to ever come up with a single original thought I'm not

with a single original thought I'm not

with a single original thought I'm not allowed to meet the criminal government

allowed to meet the criminal government

allowed to meet the criminal government agent who oppresses

agent who oppresses

agent who oppresses me I was the best hope of my generation

me I was the best hope of my generation

me I was the best hope of my generation destroyed by Madness starving hysterical

destroyed by Madness starving hysterical

destroyed by Madness starving hysterical I should be allowed to share my feelings

I should be allowed to share my feelings

I should be allowed to share my feelings I should be allowed to feel I should be

I should be allowed to feel I should be

I should be allowed to feel I should be allowed to think and I should be allowed

allowed to think and I should be allowed

allowed to think and I should be allowed to blurt the mest idea if by random whim

to blurt the mest idea if by random whim

to blurt the mest idea if by random whim one occurs to me but sadly this can

one occurs to me but sadly this can

one occurs to me but sadly this can never be I'm not allowed to think well I

never be I'm not allowed to think well I

never be I'm not allowed to think well I was uh invited to a Greenwich Village

was uh invited to a Greenwich Village

was uh invited to a Greenwich Village Nightclub many many years ago to see a

Nightclub many many years ago to see a

Nightclub many many years ago to see a friend of mine on the bill named Stan

friend of mine on the bill named Stan

friend of mine on the bill named Stan Edwards a man who sang a tribute to

Edwards a man who sang a tribute to

Edwards a man who sang a tribute to Bobby Darren and it said on the program

Bobby Darren and it said on the program

Bobby Darren and it said on the program preceding Stan Edwards was a group

preceding Stan Edwards was a group

preceding Stan Edwards was a group called They Might Be Giants so I said to

called They Might Be Giants so I said to

called They Might Be Giants so I said to myself oh going to be bored and first I

myself oh going to be bored and first I

myself oh going to be bored and first I said to myself who could be so bold so

said to myself who could be so bold so

said to myself who could be so bold so presumptuous to to call themselves

presumptuous to to call themselves

presumptuous to to call themselves Giants or that might even approach being

Giants or that might even approach being

Giants or that might even approach being Giants but I figured I've got to sit

Giants but I figured I've got to sit

Giants but I figured I've got to sit through that and suffer through that

through that and suffer through that

through that and suffer through that until the main star comes on and uh when

until the main star comes on and uh when

until the main star comes on and uh when they came on it was electric in my 43

they came on it was electric in my 43

they came on it was electric in my 43 years on TV about 28,000 episodes of The

years on TV about 28,000 episodes of The

years on TV about 28,000 episodes of The Joe Franklin TV show it's one of the few

Joe Franklin TV show it's one of the few

Joe Franklin TV show it's one of the few times that I actually physically and

times that I actually physically and

times that I actually physically and most enthusiastically went after a guest

most enthusiastically went after a guest

most enthusiastically went after a guest I can remember seeing them on TV for the

I can remember seeing them on TV for the

I can remember seeing them on TV for the first time and they start to do you know

first time and they start to do you know

first time and they start to do you know appear on Letterman or whatever venue it

appear on Letterman or whatever venue it

appear on Letterman or whatever venue it was uh and that's a it's a very strange

was uh and that's a it's a very strange

was uh and that's a it's a very strange feeling and and I don't know if it's

feeling and and I don't know if it's

feeling and and I don't know if it's just because I know them or if it's or

just because I know them or if it's or

just because I know them or if it's or if it's because it was really the way it

if it's because it was really the way it

if it's because it was really the way it was which is the way it felt like they

was which is the way it felt like they

was which is the way it felt like they seemed really out of place and

seemed really out of place and

seemed really out of place and uncomfortable and uh and now I think

uncomfortable and uh and now I think

uncomfortable and uh and now I think I've seen them you know a few times more

I've seen them you know a few times more

I've seen them you know a few times more recently getting on TV for appearances

recently getting on TV for appearances

recently getting on TV for appearances and they they look a little bit more

and they they look a little bit more

and they they look a little bit more comfortable in in that kind of a

role we got a freaking camera

role we got a freaking camera

role we got a freaking camera F

whatever all right here we go here we go

whatever all right here we go here we go

whatever all right here we go here we go so this is an album cover right

so this is an album cover right

so this is an album cover right here so what is so

here so what is so

here so what is so [Music]

[Music]

[Music] um key are you

um key are you

um key are you in baby check out well what what uh play

in baby check out well what what uh play

in baby check out well what what uh play a C

a C

a C chord okay got it all right I'm there

chord okay got it all right I'm there

chord okay got it all right I'm there baby check this out one two two baby

baby check this out one two two baby

baby check this out one two two baby check this out I've got something to

check this out I've got something to

check this out I've got something to [Music]

say you guys doing okay at food and

say you guys doing okay at food and

say you guys doing okay at food and drinks here we're really good although I

drinks here we're really good although I

drinks here we're really good although I missed the huge bowl of goldfish I

missed the huge bowl of goldfish I

missed the huge bowl of goldfish I thought it was like the huge bowl that

thought it was like the huge bowl that

thought it was like the huge bowl that it was either pretzels or I think like

it was either pretzels or I think like

it was either pretzels or I think like two times ago two times ago or something

two times ago two times ago or something

two times ago two times ago or something it was like it was a crazy amount of

it was like it was a crazy amount of

it was like it was a crazy amount of goldfish remember the

goldfish remember the

goldfish remember the Goldfish you know normally this is

Goldfish you know normally this is

Goldfish you know normally this is something I Do by myself but it's nice

something I Do by myself but it's nice

something I Do by myself but it's nice to have company you guys ready Integrity

ready that went terribly I thought what

ready that went terribly I thought what

ready that went terribly I thought what the hell was

the hell was

the hell was that you guys enjoy how many times have

that you guys enjoy how many times have

that you guys enjoy how many times have you been on the show we were on the

you been on the show we were on the

you been on the show we were on the Letterman show here a lot before and

Letterman show here a lot before and

Letterman show here a lot before and then and I feel like we were just sort

then and I feel like we were just sort

then and I feel like we were just sort of like you know the thing you inherit

of like you know the thing you inherit

of like you know the thing you inherit with have to go back and visit how many

with have to go back and visit how many

with have to go back and visit how many appearances here have you know happened

appearances here have you know happened

appearances here have you know happened because you mistakenly thought you were

because you mistakenly thought you were

because you mistakenly thought you were going on letter you were like we're here

going on letter you were like we're here

going on letter you were like we're here for oh that guy I see how many times

for oh that guy I see how many times

for oh that guy I see how many times have They Might Be Giants been on like

have They Might Be Giants been on like

have They Might Be Giants been on like Conan or Letterman or the tight show now

Conan or Letterman or the tight show now

Conan or Letterman or the tight show now but in 1989 a band that I liked being on

but in 1989 a band that I liked being on

but in 1989 a band that I liked being on The Tonight Show this was just you know

The Tonight Show this was just you know

The Tonight Show this was just you know um civil defense air Sirens had to go

um civil defense air Sirens had to go

um civil defense air Sirens had to go off in my town you know and I remember U

off in my town you know and I remember U

off in my town you know and I remember U my friends and and I Gathering Together

my friends and and I Gathering Together

my friends and and I Gathering Together on the couch like aband like is going to

on the couch like aband like is going to

on the couch like aband like is going to be on the tonight's show and um Jay Leno

be on the tonight's show and um Jay Leno

be on the tonight's show and um Jay Leno was hosting and and that was um when Jay

was hosting and and that was um when Jay

was hosting and and that was um when Jay Leno was still really good and uh it was

Leno was still really good and uh it was

Leno was still really good and uh it was just this special occasion and you know

just this special occasion and you know

just this special occasion and you know I think 12 people were like hovered

I think 12 people were like hovered

I think 12 people were like hovered around the couch watching They Might Be

around the couch watching They Might Be

around the couch watching They Might Be Giants on the tonight show play a song

Giants on the tonight show play a song

Giants on the tonight show play a song with The Tonight Show band you know with

with The Tonight Show band you know with

with The Tonight Show band you know with Doc and Tommy and those guys and it was

Doc and Tommy and those guys and it was

Doc and Tommy and those guys and it was just like the weirdest most pleasurable

just like the weirdest most pleasurable

just like the weirdest most pleasurable thing that we had ever seen on network

thing that we had ever seen on network

thing that we had ever seen on network [Music]

[Music]

[Music] television proud that we got to play

television proud that we got to play

television proud that we got to play with the doc severon Orchestra during

with the doc severon Orchestra during

with the doc severon Orchestra during the waning years of the Johnny Carson

the waning years of the Johnny Carson

the waning years of the Johnny Carson Tonight Show that was you know I'm glad

Tonight Show that was you know I'm glad

Tonight Show that was you know I'm glad we're we've been around long enough for

we're we've been around long enough for

we're we've been around long enough for that to have been

that to have been

that to have been [Music]

[Music]

[Music] true near you in the the light switch

true near you in the the light switch

true near you in the the light switch who watches over you make a little bird

who watches over you make a little bird

who watches over you make a little bird house your soul you find say I'm the

house your soul you find say I'm the

house your soul you find say I'm the only be your make a little bird

[Music]

[Music]

[Music] put

put

put [Music]

[Music]

[Music] onlyd

onlyd

onlyd put say

put say

put say only make a little bird house in your

soul

soul

soul [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] birdhouse is you know just a towering

birdhouse is you know just a towering

birdhouse is you know just a towering achievement that's just such a great

achievement that's just such a great

achievement that's just such a great great song hearing birdhouse on the

great song hearing birdhouse on the

great song hearing birdhouse on the radio you even not without knowing what

radio you even not without knowing what

radio you even not without knowing what any of the lyrics were right he a great

any of the lyrics were right he a great

any of the lyrics were right he a great it just moved me you know it was just

it just moved me you know it was just

it just moved me you know it was just it's such a well written song and it and

it's such a well written song and it and

it's such a well written song and it and it the the the groove of it and and the

it the the the groove of it and and the

it the the the groove of it and and the cord structure everything that's a

cord structure everything that's a

cord structure everything that's a beautiful song though still how can you

beautiful song though still how can you

beautiful song though still how can you combine something about a nightlight um

combine something about a nightlight um

combine something about a nightlight um that to me sounds like something um a

that to me sounds like something um a

that to me sounds like something um a birdh house in your soul is like an

birdh house in your soul is like an

birdh house in your soul is like an image that you can't shake after that

image that you can't shake after that

image that you can't shake after that and it's a beautiful beautifully written

and it's a beautiful beautifully written

and it's a beautiful beautifully written line and the whole song is beautifully

line and the whole song is beautifully

line and the whole song is beautifully written by any standard um and uh the

written by any standard um and uh the

written by any standard um and uh the gorgeous Melody and um but then it's

gorgeous Melody and um but then it's

gorgeous Melody and um but then it's actually about a nightlight that's too

actually about a nightlight that's too

actually about a nightlight that's too much for a lot of people to process I

much for a lot of people to process I

much for a lot of people to process I think and so they're like ah well and

think and so they're like ah well and

think and so they're like ah well and then it's called wacky which

then it's called wacky which

then it's called wacky which um which cracks me up there's only two

um which cracks me up there's only two

um which cracks me up there's only two songs in me and I just wrote the third

songs in me and I just wrote the third

songs in me and I just wrote the third don't know where I got the inspiration

don't know where I got the inspiration

don't know where I got the inspiration or how I wrote the words spent my whole

or how I wrote the words spent my whole

or how I wrote the words spent my whole just digging up my music shallow gra for

just digging up my music shallow gra for

just digging up my music shallow gra for the two songs in me and the third one I

the two songs in me and the third one I

the two songs in me and the third one I just

just

just made mean I always thought they had

made mean I always thought they had

made mean I always thought they had great songs and live shows the really

great songs and live shows the really

great songs and live shows the really the the defining moment for me was in

the the defining moment for me was in

the the defining moment for me was in terms of their demos the original tape

terms of their demos the original tape

terms of their demos the original tape that we put out in in ' 85 was kind of

that we put out in in ' 85 was kind of

that we put out in in ' 85 was kind of like I think at one point we were

like I think at one point we were

like I think at one point we were thinking it's like a history of the band

thinking it's like a history of the band

thinking it's like a history of the band he sold it ourselves at shows and stuff

he sold it ourselves at shows and stuff

he sold it ourselves at shows and stuff like that and then finally this guy

like that and then finally this guy

like that and then finally this guy named Michael small got a hold of a copy

named Michael small got a hold of a copy

named Michael small got a hold of a copy and reviewed it in People magazine

and reviewed it in People magazine

and reviewed it in People magazine People magazine was a really incredible

People magazine was a really incredible

People magazine was a really incredible place to work at the time it was like

place to work at the time it was like

place to work at the time it was like the golden years and if I was excited

the golden years and if I was excited

the golden years and if I was excited about something I could come in and we

about something I could come in and we

about something I could come in and we could write about it so I came in and

could write about it so I came in and

could write about it so I came in and told Ralph Novak who was the um music

told Ralph Novak who was the um music

told Ralph Novak who was the um music reviews editor that I was really excited

reviews editor that I was really excited

reviews editor that I was really excited about this he said I could write the

about this he said I could write the

about this he said I could write the review even though there was no record

review even though there was no record

review even though there was no record out and I wrote the review and just put

out and I wrote the review and just put

out and I wrote the review and just put the address where you could order the

the address where you could order the

the address where you could order the cassette it seemed insane to me that um

cassette it seemed insane to me that um

cassette it seemed insane to me that um a demo tape I mean what sensibly was a

a demo tape I mean what sensibly was a

a demo tape I mean what sensibly was a demo tape I mean we didn't call it a

demo tape I mean we didn't call it a

demo tape I mean we didn't call it a demo tape and we were selling it so it

demo tape and we were selling it so it

demo tape and we were selling it so it was really it was something real but I

was really it was something real but I

was really it was something real but I mean it was only real because we said it

mean it was only real because we said it

mean it was only real because we said it was real there was nothing there was

was real there was nothing there was

was real there was nothing there was nobody behind it there was no no it was

nobody behind it there was no no it was

nobody behind it there was no no it was a cassette you know it was just the

a cassette you know it was just the

a cassette you know it was just the cheapest thing possible and it was

cheapest thing possible and it was

cheapest thing possible and it was around that time also that that um

around that time also that that um

around that time also that that um people from MTV which was then you know

people from MTV which was then you know

people from MTV which was then you know in its earliest days became familiar

in its earliest days became familiar

in its earliest days became familiar with

with

with [Music]

[Music]

[Music] that what

that what

that what want else theet head was only busted

want else theet head was only busted

want else theet head was only busted inone

inone

inone [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] inv so I went to see them at a club

inv so I went to see them at a club

inv so I went to see them at a club called durinka and told them I would pay

called durinka and told them I would pay

called durinka and told them I would pay for it and I wanted to make a video out

for it and I wanted to make a video out

for it and I wanted to make a video out of one of their songs and I remember FL

of one of their songs and I remember FL

of one of their songs and I remember FL lansburg calling up John Lenell going

lansburg calling up John Lenell going

lansburg calling up John Lenell going like I got a guy here named Adam

like I got a guy here named Adam

like I got a guy here named Adam Bernstein and he really needs to get

Bernstein and he really needs to get

Bernstein and he really needs to get famous so you know it was it was sort of

famous so you know it was it was sort of

famous so you know it was it was sort of funny I also remember he was wearing

funny I also remember he was wearing

funny I also remember he was wearing purple nail polish at the time not that

purple nail polish at the time not that

purple nail polish at the time not that that's concerns

that's concerns

that's concerns [Music]

[Music]

[Music] anything this was like probably a month

anything this was like probably a month

anything this was like probably a month or so before the first album came out

or so before the first album came out

or so before the first album came out that we were getting played on TV

that we were getting played on TV

that we were getting played on TV alongside White Snake and Whitney

alongside White Snake and Whitney

alongside White Snake and Whitney Houston and stuff like that it stuck out

Houston and stuff like that it stuck out

Houston and stuff like that it stuck out like a sore thumb it was so clearly not

like a sore thumb it was so clearly not

like a sore thumb it was so clearly not part of this other set of things there

part of this other set of things there

part of this other set of things there are a number of people in our career

are a number of people in our career

are a number of people in our career that I feel like when I just just when I

that I feel like when I just just when I

that I feel like when I just just when I think of them I feel like we never would

think of them I feel like we never would

think of them I feel like we never would have gotten anywhere if we hadn't met

have gotten anywhere if we hadn't met

have gotten anywhere if we hadn't met those people I mean um and Adam is

those people I mean um and Adam is

those people I mean um and Adam is definitely like you know at the very at

definitely like you know at the very at

definitely like you know at the very at at the very top of that

at the very top of that

at the very top of that list

list

list [Music]

[Music]

[Music] don't let start was the first Indie

don't let start was the first Indie

don't let start was the first Indie video to go into rotation on MTV the

video to go into rotation on MTV the

video to go into rotation on MTV the fact that it got onto regular rotation I

fact that it got onto regular rotation I

fact that it got onto regular rotation I think really was the opening shot in

think really was the opening shot in

think really was the opening shot in this kind of assault of the Underground

this kind of assault of the Underground

this kind of assault of the Underground on MTV and it eventually came to

on MTV and it eventually came to

on MTV and it eventually came to fruition in the early 90s but uh uh I

fruition in the early 90s but uh uh I

fruition in the early 90s but uh uh I Think They Might Be Giants were really

Think They Might Be Giants were really

Think They Might Be Giants were really right there at the beginning it

right there at the beginning it

right there at the beginning it certainly made a big huge impact on both

certainly made a big huge impact on both

certainly made a big huge impact on both MTV and its viewers I think there was a

MTV and its viewers I think there was a

MTV and its viewers I think there was a big sea change at that time in music

big sea change at that time in music

big sea change at that time in music They Might Be Giants managed to be the

They Might Be Giants managed to be the

They Might Be Giants managed to be the first band to break through that sort of

first band to break through that sort of

first band to break through that sort of wall of bad hair band videos when MTV

wall of bad hair band videos when MTV

wall of bad hair band videos when MTV started playing don't let start and all

started playing don't let start and all

started playing don't let start and all the videos that followed I think people

the videos that followed I think people

the videos that followed I think people were absolutely stunned because here was

were absolutely stunned because here was

were absolutely stunned because here was a band that seemed to be coming from

a band that seemed to be coming from

a band that seemed to be coming from nowhere and had no relation to anything

nowhere and had no relation to anything

nowhere and had no relation to anything else that was going on

musically Hotel

musically Hotel

musically Hotel detective she's the hotel detective why

detective she's the hotel detective why

detective she's the hotel detective why don't you check her out I have a friend

don't you check her out I have a friend

don't you check her out I have a friend who was telling me in

who was telling me in

who was telling me in 1987 after don't story he's like wow you

1987 after don't story he's like wow you

1987 after don't story he's like wow you know you guys did great I guess you have

know you guys did great I guess you have

know you guys did great I guess you have to find some real jobs

[Music]

[Music]

[Music] now make a hole with a gun

now make a hole with a gun

now make a hole with a gun perpendicular to the name of this town

perpendicular to the name of this town

perpendicular to the name of this town in a desktop clo exit wound in a forign

in a desktop clo exit wound in a forign

in a desktop clo exit wound in a forign nation showing the home of the one this

nation showing the home of the one this

nation showing the home of the one this was written for my apartment looks

was written for my apartment looks

was written for my apartment looks up

spiral you're the most successful

spiral you're the most successful

spiral you're the most successful independent group in the States now

independent group in the States now

independent group in the States now aren't you yeah but I mean that's sort

aren't you yeah but I mean that's sort

aren't you yeah but I mean that's sort of like being the world's tallest

of like being the world's tallest

of like being the world's tallest [\h__\h] are old and we still hav't walked

[\h__\h] are old and we still hav't walked

[\h__\h] are old and we still hav't walked in theow of each other's

in theow of each other's

in theow of each other's majes we didn't really comprehend uh

majes we didn't really comprehend uh

majes we didn't really comprehend uh what college radio meant and so the

what college radio meant and so the

what college radio meant and so the whole world of College radio was kind of

whole world of College radio was kind of

whole world of College radio was kind of this eye opener um the the the the cmj

this eye opener um the the the the cmj

this eye opener um the the the the cmj charts and stuff like that were

charts and stuff like that were

charts and stuff like that were introduced to us uh or at least to me

introduced to us uh or at least to me

introduced to us uh or at least to me when we were like on the top of that

when we were like on the top of that

when we were like on the top of that chart you know that was right that was

chart you know that was right that was

chart you know that was right that was how we found out about it you're number

how we found out about it you're number

how we found out about it you're number one on this thing you don't know

one on this thing you don't know

one on this thing you don't know anything about for those who are ready

anything about for those who are ready

anything about for those who are ready to declare them sellouts in East Village

to declare them sellouts in East Village

to declare them sellouts in East Village this was the occasion that would would

this was the occasion that would would

this was the occasion that would would warrant it was that happening oh yeah

warrant it was that happening oh yeah

warrant it was that happening oh yeah people were yeah I mean it's it the more

people were yeah I mean it's it the more

people were yeah I mean it's it the more clear it became that the Giants were

clear it became that the Giants were

clear it became that the Giants were were you know going National the more

were you know going National the more

were you know going National the more the more [\h__\h] people

the more [\h__\h] people

the more [\h__\h] people got hi it's us They Might Be Giants your

got hi it's us They Might Be Giants your

got hi it's us They Might Be Giants your hosts here on postmodern MTV tonight The

hosts here on postmodern MTV tonight The

hosts here on postmodern MTV tonight The Replacements Public Image Limited agent

Replacements Public Image Limited agent

Replacements Public Image Limited agent blue and songs by us They Might Be

blue and songs by us They Might Be

blue and songs by us They Might Be Giants and in some ways like our success

Giants and in some ways like our success

Giants and in some ways like our success was very abstract to us I mean I mean we

was very abstract to us I mean I mean we

was very abstract to us I mean I mean we were noticing that we were playing in

were noticing that we were playing in

were noticing that we were playing in bigger places but um you know when the

bigger places but um you know when the

bigger places but um you know when the major labels finally came courting and

major labels finally came courting and

major labels finally came courting and we really not pursued them very actively

we really not pursued them very actively

we really not pursued them very actively um it was a little bit I it was a little

um it was a little bit I it was a little

um it was a little bit I it was a little bit strange I mean I think we just

bit strange I mean I think we just

bit strange I mean I think we just didn't know we didn't want to be messed

didn't know we didn't want to be messed

didn't know we didn't want to be messed with we had another meeting that was in

with we had another meeting that was in

with we had another meeting that was in New York right around that same time um

New York right around that same time um

New York right around that same time um with the guy at Emi and he he invites Us

with the guy at Emi and he he invites Us

with the guy at Emi and he he invites Us in and he and for some reason um

in and he and for some reason um

in and he and for some reason um flansburg um couldn't make it that day

flansburg um couldn't make it that day

flansburg um couldn't make it that day and I went with John Lenell and he we

and I went with John Lenell and he we

and I went with John Lenell and he we ushered into this guy's office and he

ushered into this guy's office and he

ushered into this guy's office and he goes you

goes you

goes you know your band is is great i' I've seen

know your band is is great i' I've seen

know your band is is great i' I've seen your videos they're the most witty and

your videos they're the most witty and

your videos they're the most witty and inventive stuff I've seen in a long time

inventive stuff I've seen in a long time

inventive stuff I've seen in a long time I've seen your live show you are the

I've seen your live show you are the

I've seen your live show you are the [\h__\h] I mean and and he turns to me and

[\h__\h] I mean and and he turns to me and

[\h__\h] I mean and and he turns to me and he goes and you are a [\h__\h]

he goes and you are a [\h__\h]

he goes and you are a [\h__\h] guitarist and I go well actually I'm the

guitarist and I go well actually I'm the

guitarist and I go well actually I'm the manager of the band and he's like

manager of the band and he's like

manager of the band and he's like doesn't surprise me [\h__\h] guitars

doesn't surprise me [\h__\h] guitars

doesn't surprise me [\h__\h] guitars manager of the band you know I mean you

manager of the band you know I mean you

manager of the band you know I mean you you guys can do it all and I I was like

you guys can do it all and I I was like

you guys can do it all and I I was like well actually um John flansburg couldn't

well actually um John flansburg couldn't

well actually um John flansburg couldn't be here today it's like I I knew that

be here today it's like I I knew that

be here today it's like I I knew that you

you

you [Music]

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[Applause] know when I first became interested in

know when I first became interested in

know when I first became interested in They Might Be Giants I was working at

They Might Be Giants I was working at

They Might Be Giants I was working at polygram records that was in 1986 and

polygram records that was in 1986 and

polygram records that was in 1986 and really tried to get signed to polygram

really tried to get signed to polygram

really tried to get signed to polygram at the time about a year later I left

at the time about a year later I left

at the time about a year later I left polygram for Electro records and at that

polygram for Electro records and at that

polygram for Electro records and at that point it was a no-brainer everyone at

point it was a no-brainer everyone at

point it was a no-brainer everyone at Electra understood what the value of

Electra understood what the value of

Electra understood what the value of They Might Be Giants was Electra was

They Might Be Giants was Electra was

They Might Be Giants was Electra was also home to uh uh the Pixies and the

also home to uh uh the Pixies and the

also home to uh uh the Pixies and the sugar cubes and people like that who

sugar cubes and people like that who

sugar cubes and people like that who also did great work at around the same

also did great work at around the same

also did great work at around the same time on the same label so uh you know it

time on the same label so uh you know it

time on the same label so uh you know it wasn't outside of the realm a

wasn't outside of the realm a

wasn't outside of the realm a possibility that They Might Be Giants

possibility that They Might Be Giants

possibility that They Might Be Giants could also put out a great album why is

could also put out a great album why is

could also put out a great album why is the world in love again why are we

the world in love again why are we

the world in love again why are we marching hand in hand why are the ocean

marching hand in hand why are the ocean

marching hand in hand why are the ocean levels rising up it's a new record

levels rising up it's a new record

levels rising up it's a new record for9 might be Jo

for9 might be Jo

for9 might be Jo [Music]

new hi thanks for joining us for coffee

new hi thanks for joining us for coffee

new hi thanks for joining us for coffee I'm John and I'm John of They Might Be

I'm John and I'm John of They Might Be

I'm John and I'm John of They Might Be Giants and we've got a new album out on

Giants and we've got a new album out on

Giants and we've got a new album out on Electro records it's called flood this

Electro records it's called flood this

Electro records it's called flood this is our Rock promotion video

is our Rock promotion video

is our Rock promotion video so come on inside there was a period of

so come on inside there was a period of

so come on inside there was a period of a few months where the only thing in my

a few months where the only thing in my

a few months where the only thing in my car was a this cassette copy of flood

car was a this cassette copy of flood

car was a this cassette copy of flood and to be honest uh like many of my

and to be honest uh like many of my

and to be honest uh like many of my favorite records I listened to it and I

favorite records I listened to it and I

favorite records I listened to it and I did not like it I didn't care for it but

did not like it I didn't care for it but

did not like it I didn't care for it but since it was the only tape I mean I

since it was the only tape I mean I

since it was the only tape I mean I didn't hate it but I just it didn't turn

didn't hate it but I just it didn't turn

didn't hate it but I just it didn't turn me on or something you know but I I only

me on or something you know but I I only

me on or something you know but I I only had that one cassette so I I would

had that one cassette so I I would

had that one cassette so I I would return to it when I would come home from

return to it when I would come home from

return to it when I would come home from touring and be driving around in my car

touring and be driving around in my car

touring and be driving around in my car and um the more I listened to it uh

and um the more I listened to it uh

and um the more I listened to it uh something clicked one day and was like I

something clicked one day and was like I

something clicked one day and was like I saw the light and and then I became

saw the light and and then I became

saw the light and and then I became obsessed with the record some records

obsessed with the record some records

obsessed with the record some records that come out today only have 10 songs

that come out today only have 10 songs

that come out today only have 10 songs or less this makes us angry but instead

or less this makes us angry but instead

or less this makes us angry but instead of cursing the darkness John and I have

of cursing the darkness John and I have

of cursing the darkness John and I have decided to do something about it we've

decided to do something about it we've

decided to do something about it we've put out a record with 19 songs on it and

put out a record with 19 songs on it and

put out a record with 19 songs on it and that's why our record is

better

the next part of the documentary is all

the next part of the documentary is all

the next part of the documentary is all about coffee what's it going to be

about coffee what's it going to be

about coffee what's it going to be Fellas on your

Fellas on your

Fellas on your nose latte double latte for you no milk

nose latte double latte for you no milk

nose latte double latte for you no milk just coffee there isn't there an

just coffee there isn't there an

just coffee there isn't there an interview now yeah okay you want to do

interview now yeah okay you want to do

interview now yeah okay you want to do it sure good just need some coffee I've

it sure good just need some coffee I've

it sure good just need some coffee I've seen them abuse it um I've seen them use

seen them abuse it um I've seen them use

seen them abuse it um I've seen them use it recreationally and socially and

it recreationally and socially and

it recreationally and socially and professionally I mean it's it's a

professionally I mean it's it's a

professionally I mean it's it's a problem I'm the one who loves you so so

problem I'm the one who loves you so so

problem I'm the one who loves you so so there no filters apparently

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[Music] videos I've seen them hold the show for

videos I've seen them hold the show for

videos I've seen them hold the show for 45 minutes because the runner wasn't

45 minutes because the runner wasn't

45 minutes because the runner wasn't back from Starbucks so that's really the

back from Starbucks so that's really the

back from Starbucks so that's really the most important thing you know if we'll

most important thing you know if we'll

most important thing you know if we'll we'll do a show just about anywhere as

we'll do a show just about anywhere as

we'll do a show just about anywhere as long as there's decent coffee to be had

John did this right and something

John did this right and something

John did this right and something wrong what's wrong with the coffee maker

wrong what's wrong with the coffee maker

wrong what's wrong with the coffee maker I don't know I can't figure out what is

I don't know I can't figure out what is

I don't know I can't figure out what is the problem

the problem

the problem here is it coming in oh it's going to be

here is it coming in oh it's going to be

here is it coming in oh it's going to be a good show fellas even if we didn't

a good show fellas even if we didn't

a good show fellas even if we didn't drink a lot of coffee I think we could

drink a lot of coffee I think we could

drink a lot of coffee I think we could pretend that we drank coffee and still

pretend that we drank coffee and still

pretend that we drank coffee and still feel like that was you know that was uh

feel like that was you know that was uh

feel like that was you know that was uh it was the right style

choiceful man I think I think I

choiceful man I think I think I

choiceful man I think I think I know know for sure stand back we got I

know know for sure stand back we got I

know know for sure stand back we got I got a concept here well the same thing

got a concept here well the same thing

got a concept here well the same thing is this this thing hasn't owow that's it

is this this thing hasn't owow that's it

is this this thing hasn't owow that's it that's

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[Applause] it once I got into a talk with him about

it once I got into a talk with him about

it once I got into a talk with him about the song Meet J

the song Meet J

the song Meet J enzor and they were completely

enzor and they were completely

enzor and they were completely elliptical like for me like like I feel

elliptical like for me like like I feel

elliptical like for me like like I feel like meet James enzor characterizes

like meet James enzor characterizes

like meet James enzor characterizes everything I really love about the band

everything I really love about the band

everything I really love about the band because the song itself is so um it's

because the song itself is so um it's

because the song itself is so um it's like it shouldn't even be a song do you

like it shouldn't even be a song do you

like it shouldn't even be a song do you know what I mean and the words are like

know what I mean and the words are like

know what I mean and the words are like meet James enzor Belgium's famous

meet James enzor Belgium's famous

meet James enzor Belgium's famous painter dig him up and Shake him's hand

painter dig him up and Shake him's hand

painter dig him up and Shake him's hand appreciate the man and then like like

appreciate the man and then like like

appreciate the man and then like like every part of that is already so funny

every part of that is already so funny

every part of that is already so funny and like wrong-headed for a song and

and like wrong-headed for a song and

and like wrong-headed for a song and then um and then the words of the first

then um and then the words of the first

then um and then the words of the first vers like before there were artists

vers like before there were artists

vers like before there were artists before there was before there was junk

before there was before there was junk

before there was before there was junk stores before there was junk which is

stores before there was junk which is

stores before there was junk which is already like so like lovely and well

already like so like lovely and well

already like so like lovely and well stated um he lived in a something you

stated um he lived in a something you

stated um he lived in a something you know he lived in a Garrett I can't

know he lived in a Garrett I can't

know he lived in a Garrett I can't remember like exactly how it goes and so

remember like exactly how it goes and so

remember like exactly how it goes and so like at one point like I like I like you

like at one point like I like I like you

like at one point like I like I like you know I was talking to them I was like

know I was talking to them I was like

know I was talking to them I was like okay I'm like a fan of this band and

okay I'm like a fan of this band and

okay I'm like a fan of this band and like this never ever happens if you get

like this never ever happens if you get

like this never ever happens if you get to ask somebody like so like like why is

to ask somebody like so like like why is

to ask somebody like so like like why is this like why does it start this way and

this like why does it start this way and

this like why does it start this way and like what do you guys thinking that you

like what do you guys thinking that you

like what do you guys thinking that you would even put that into a song and um

would even put that into a song and um

would even put that into a song and um and all I could get at him was like no

and all I could get at him was like no

and all I could get at him was like no he is a really great painter like that

he is a really great painter like that

he is a really great painter like that was it like no no we like we didn't

was it like no no we like we didn't

was it like no no we like we didn't think that that was a weird subject for

think that that was a weird subject for

think that that was a weird subject for a song he's a really good painter when

a song he's a really good painter when

a song he's a really good painter when we try and interpret them ourselves

we try and interpret them ourselves

we try and interpret them ourselves sometimes we have to do an interview

sometimes we have to do an interview

sometimes we have to do an interview where we're you know they say well

where we're you know they say well

where we're you know they say well what's what's the song all about I

what's what's the song all about I

what's what's the song all about I thought I never thought about what what

thought I never thought about what what

thought I never thought about what what the song's about you know and then we

the song's about you know and then we

the song's about you know and then we try and come up with some explanation

try and come up with some explanation

try and come up with some explanation for it and you know I think it makes the

for it and you know I think it makes the

for it and you know I think it makes the song seem really foreign well like what

song seem really foreign well like what

song seem really foreign well like what I wanted to know is okay all right you

I wanted to know is okay all right you

I wanted to know is okay all right you get up in the morning you have your

get up in the morning you have your

get up in the morning you have your coffee and all right we got we got to

coffee and all right we got we got to

coffee and all right we got we got to write some songs for the record today

write some songs for the record today

write some songs for the record today what are we right about like that that

what are we right about like that that

what are we right about like that that was the thing that came to somebody's

was the thing that came to somebody's

was the thing that came to somebody's mind like that that was the decision

mind like that that was the decision

mind like that that was the decision that's completely contrary to All Good

that's completely contrary to All Good

that's completely contrary to All Good Sense triang triang

triang fight triang

triang fight triang

triang fight triang Tri I really feel like a lot of the

Tri I really feel like a lot of the

Tri I really feel like a lot of the times people get everything about it and

times people get everything about it and

times people get everything about it and the things that they think that they

the things that they think that they

the things that they think that they don't get don't exist you know what I

don't get don't exist you know what I

don't get don't exist you know what I mean that there's nothing there's

mean that there's nothing there's

mean that there's nothing there's nothing missing in their understanding

nothing missing in their understanding

nothing missing in their understanding of particle man it's clearly about

of particle man it's clearly about

of particle man it's clearly about physics Particle Man might think no one

physics Particle Man might think no one

physics Particle Man might think no one cares about him triangle man might think

cares about him triangle man might think

cares about him triangle man might think you know feel tough you know sharp edges

you know feel tough you know sharp edges

you know feel tough you know sharp edges I believe that this song is about life

I believe that this song is about life

I believe that this song is about life and all the different perspectives that

and all the different perspectives that

and all the different perspectives that people have it could be talking about

people have it could be talking about

people have it could be talking about the universe you know ever ever consider

the universe you know ever ever consider

the universe you know ever ever consider that I don't believe it really has a lot

that I don't believe it really has a lot

that I don't believe it really has a lot to do with physics is the glass half

to do with physics is the glass half

to do with physics is the glass half empty or is the glass half full does

empty or is the glass half full does

empty or is the glass half full does water get get him or does he get

water get get him or does he get

water get get him or does he get water I think that's less physical than

water I think that's less physical than

water I think that's less physical than you make it out to be Universe man

you make it out to be Universe man

you make it out to be Universe man Universe man size of the enre universe

Universe man size of the enre universe

Universe man size of the enre universe usually kind smaller man Universe we

usually kind smaller man Universe we

usually kind smaller man Universe we felt very strongly that they need to get

felt very strongly that they need to get

felt very strongly that they need to get a band um right after flood and I think

a band um right after flood and I think

a band um right after flood and I think our natural response was you know just

our natural response was you know just

our natural response was you know just you know leave us alone cuz like what do

you know leave us alone cuz like what do

you know leave us alone cuz like what do you know what do you know about how to

you know what do you know about how to

you know what do you know about how to be a success in Rock You know here we

be a success in Rock You know here we

be a success in Rock You know here we are you know barely successful at all I

are you know barely successful at all I

are you know barely successful at all I encouraged them to do it because I

encouraged them to do it because I

encouraged them to do it because I thought that they had really come as far

thought that they had really come as far

thought that they had really come as far as they were going to come in their

as they were going to come in their

as they were going to come in their stage show using the tape who came up

stage show using the tape who came up

stage show using the tape who came up with person man de graded man person

with person man de graded man person

with person man de graded man person man some of the hardcores actually

man some of the hardcores actually

man some of the hardcores actually established a boycott I mean for the

established a boycott I mean for the

established a boycott I mean for the first year of the band there were we go

first year of the band there were we go

first year of the band there were we go to gigs and there would be people

to gigs and there would be people

to gigs and there would be people outside with leaflets saying don't go to

outside with leaflets saying don't go to

outside with leaflets saying don't go to the show you know they they have a

band I I think that they there was

band I I think that they there was

band I I think that they there was something lost when they went from doing

something lost when they went from doing

something lost when they went from doing the tape show to the band I think there

the tape show to the band I think there

the tape show to the band I think there there was a feeling Among Us that were

there was a feeling Among Us that were

there was a feeling Among Us that were there in the early days that it was uh a

there in the early days that it was uh a

there in the early days that it was uh a bit of a betrayal of what we' come to

bit of a betrayal of what we' come to

bit of a betrayal of what we' come to know in love when the duo became a band

know in love when the duo became a band

know in love when the duo became a band I loved it the live shows are just I

I loved it the live shows are just I

I loved it the live shows are just I find 20 times better they they were good

find 20 times better they they were good

find 20 times better they they were good before but I I like the full band sound

before but I I like the full band sound

before but I I like the full band sound they have a fight triangle Wis

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[Applause] man this is the story we're playing at

man this is the story we're playing at

man this is the story we're playing at the maesa theater in Milwaukee and now I

the maesa theater in Milwaukee and now I

the maesa theater in Milwaukee and now I remember remember the fire marshal in

remember remember the fire marshal in

remember remember the fire marshal in Milwaukee was very and always is very

Milwaukee was very and always is very

Milwaukee was very and always is very strict and they had people in the aisles

strict and they had people in the aisles

strict and they had people in the aisles ushers and they were doing their damnest

ushers and they were doing their damnest

ushers and they were doing their damnest to keep people in their seats they were

to keep people in their seats they were

to keep people in their seats they were not letting them stand up they were not

not letting them stand up they were not

not letting them stand up they were not letting them in the aisle and this was

letting them in the aisle and this was

letting them in the aisle and this was frustrating the hell out of the band

frustrating the hell out of the band

frustrating the hell out of the band about half three quarters of the way

about half three quarters of the way

about half three quarters of the way through the show I I decide that that's

through the show I I decide that that's

through the show I I decide that that's the point where no matter what happens

the point where no matter what happens

the point where no matter what happens it'll be fine if people keep on dancing

it'll be fine if people keep on dancing

it'll be fine if people keep on dancing they're not going to it's not enough of

they're not going to it's not enough of

they're not going to it's not enough of the show left that if people dance from

the show left that if people dance from

the show left that if people dance from this point on if they shut us down it'll

this point on if they shut us down it'll

this point on if they shut us down it'll be a big deal and I don't think they're

be a big deal and I don't think they're

be a big deal and I don't think they're even going to shut us down

even going to shut us down

even going to shut us down so I get on the mic and I

so I get on the mic and I

so I get on the mic and I go I don't think the Fire Marshall would

go I don't think the Fire Marshall would

go I don't think the Fire Marshall would mind if you people came down and

mind if you people came down and

mind if you people came down and danced thinking you know they'll dance

danced thinking you know they'll dance

danced thinking you know they'll dance in the aisles and of course people

in the aisles and of course people

in the aisles and of course people started flooding and dancing into the

started flooding and dancing into the

started flooding and dancing into the aisles and then about 75 people or so I

aisles and then about 75 people or so I

aisles and then about 75 people or so I think uh actually danced down the aisles

think uh actually danced down the aisles

think uh actually danced down the aisles and moved right onto the stage so

and moved right onto the stage so

and moved right onto the stage so they're all dancing on top of the on top

they're all dancing on top of the on top

they're all dancing on top of the on top of the thrust in in the spotlight and

of the thrust in in the spotlight and

of the thrust in in the spotlight and I'm just seeing I'm just seeing this

I'm just seeing I'm just seeing this

I'm just seeing I'm just seeing this these revelers in silhouette just kind

these revelers in silhouette just kind

these revelers in silhouette just kind of doing this crazy you know crazy paa

of doing this crazy you know crazy paa

of doing this crazy you know crazy paa we're playing really loud and there's

we're playing really loud and there's

we're playing really loud and there's this

this

this huge cracking smashing breaking noise

huge cracking smashing breaking noise

huge cracking smashing breaking noise and there's dust and filth and just

and there's dust and filth and just

and there's dust and filth and just stuff everywhere like the ultimate you

stuff everywhere like the ultimate you

stuff everywhere like the ultimate you know David Copperfield

know David Copperfield

know David Copperfield reveal and then as you know the dust

reveal and then as you know the dust

reveal and then as you know the dust kind of goes away I I I just see these

kind of goes away I I I just see these

kind of goes away I I I just see these like huge planks of stuff with nails

like huge planks of stuff with nails

like huge planks of stuff with nails coming out of them and all the people

coming out of them and all the people

coming out of them and all the people are gone and then I I look down and all

are gone and then I I look down and all

are gone and then I I look down and all the people who are dancing in front of

the people who are dancing in front of

the people who are dancing in front of us are like a story below us in where

us are like a story below us in where

us are like a story below us in where the orchestra pit was just kind of you

the orchestra pit was just kind of you

the orchestra pit was just kind of you know feet coming out the whole thing and

know feet coming out the whole thing and

know feet coming out the whole thing and I'm just

I'm just

I'm just thinking this is this is where my career

thinking this is this is where my career

thinking this is this is where my career ends flansburg grabbed these t-shirts I

ends flansburg grabbed these t-shirts I

ends flansburg grabbed these t-shirts I think he jumped in a cab I don't

think he jumped in a cab I don't

think he jumped in a cab I don't remember how he got there found out what

remember how he got there found out what

remember how he got there found out what hospital uh we knew that there weren't

hospital uh we knew that there weren't

hospital uh we knew that there weren't any real major injuries when I told one

any real major injuries when I told one

any real major injuries when I told one of the guys that we had actually gone

of the guys that we had actually gone

of the guys that we had actually gone back on stage he he was like no dude you

back on stage he he was like no dude you

back on stage he he was like no dude you can't tell me you played more and I you

can't tell me you played more and I you

can't tell me you played more and I you know he completely like angry that he

know he completely like angry that he

know he completely like angry that he hadn't seen the rest of the show so you

hadn't seen the rest of the show so you

hadn't seen the rest of the show so you know we sent him to the hospital and

know we sent him to the hospital and

know we sent him to the hospital and they still they still want more you know

they still they still want more you know

they still they still want more you know it's very

it's very

it's very flattering

it seems that the fans are always the

it seems that the fans are always the

it seems that the fans are always the same age you know 5 years later we show

same age you know 5 years later we show

same age you know 5 years later we show up at a venue and they're they're young

up at a venue and they're they're young

up at a venue and they're they're young rather than

rather than

rather than being my

being my

being my age you know the people that heard them

age you know the people that heard them

age you know the people that heard them when they were in high school yeah

when they were in high school yeah

when they were in high school yeah people that heard them when they were in

people that heard them when they were in

people that heard them when they were in high school some of those people are

high school some of those people are

high school some of those people are still fans but their their whole fan

still fans but their their whole fan

still fans but their their whole fan base didn't grow older with them I mean

base didn't grow older with them I mean

base didn't grow older with them I mean I think the reason why they get like an

I think the reason why they get like an

I think the reason why they get like an audience that whose age seems to start

audience that whose age seems to start

audience that whose age seems to start at like 12 to 14 is that there's a

at like 12 to 14 is that there's a

at like 12 to 14 is that there's a cleverness to the songs that just kills

cleverness to the songs that just kills

cleverness to the songs that just kills you when you're that age you just can't

you when you're that age you just can't

you when you're that age you just can't believe like that it could be so clever

believe like that it could be so clever

believe like that it could be so clever they have a very strong following a very

they have a very strong following a very

they have a very strong following a very rabid following that enjoys the

rabid following that enjoys the

rabid following that enjoys the quirkiness the um the intellectual side

quirkiness the um the intellectual side

quirkiness the um the intellectual side of their music I've seen them probably

of their music I've seen them probably

of their music I've seen them probably over 20 times and I was actually going

over 20 times and I was actually going

over 20 times and I was actually going to see them in their London show but I

to see them in their London show but I

to see them in their London show but I couldn't get my passport in time my

couldn't get my passport in time my

couldn't get my passport in time my first they might be giant show was 9

first they might be giant show was 9

first they might be giant show was 9 years ago and since then I've been to 77

years ago and since then I've been to 77

years ago and since then I've been to 77 more shows uh I met my fiance at they

more shows uh I met my fiance at they

more shows uh I met my fiance at they might be giant show in Rhode Island

might be giant show in Rhode Island

might be giant show in Rhode Island actually and we got engaged that it

actually and we got engaged that it

actually and we got engaged that it might be they might be giant show last

might be they might be giant show last

might be they might be giant show last summer in Brooklyn so it uh the band has

summer in Brooklyn so it uh the band has

summer in Brooklyn so it uh the band has a really special meaning for both of us

a really special meaning for both of us

a really special meaning for both of us uh I came here from Detroit and uh a lot

uh I came here from Detroit and uh a lot

uh I came here from Detroit and uh a lot of people gave me a lot of kind of side

of people gave me a lot of kind of side

of people gave me a lot of kind of side wordss glances because that's pretty far

wordss glances because that's pretty far

wordss glances because that's pretty far away but uh having spent the last like

away but uh having spent the last like

away but uh having spent the last like six or seven hours in line uh I started

six or seven hours in line uh I started

six or seven hours in line uh I started to realize that They Might Be Giants

to realize that They Might Be Giants

to realize that They Might Be Giants fans are some of the scariest people

fans are some of the scariest people

fans are some of the scariest people I've ever met in my life and uh there's

I've ever met in my life and uh there's

I've ever met in my life and uh there's a guy out there who shaved his ankle

a guy out there who shaved his ankle

a guy out there who shaved his ankle okay so he wants John flansburg to sign

okay so he wants John flansburg to sign

okay so he wants John flansburg to sign his ankle and then he's going to go the

his ankle and then he's going to go the

his ankle and then he's going to go the next day to get it tattooed um I just

next day to get it tattooed um I just

next day to get it tattooed um I just think that's kind of weird did you take

think that's kind of weird did you take

think that's kind of weird did you take pictures of the the cupcakes that

pictures of the the cupcakes that

pictures of the the cupcakes that spelled out there might Giant and do you

spelled out there might Giant and do you

spelled out there might Giant and do you know who who made them for you some fans

know who who made them for you some fans

know who who made them for you some fans it was

it was

it was Amy

Bethany is that Tamara or samur

Claire we love you more than fudge

Claire we love you more than fudge

Claire we love you more than fudge Samurai why we love you than fudge yeah

Samurai why we love you than fudge yeah

Samurai why we love you than fudge yeah that's what it says we love you more

that's what it says we love you more

that's what it says we love you more than fudge that's why you get

than fudge that's why you get

than fudge that's why you get fudge that's I'm not I it's kind of

fudge that's I'm not I it's kind of

fudge that's I'm not I it's kind of dream L I'm not eating any of that

dream L I'm not eating any of that

dream L I'm not eating any of that stuff what's your name Scott

Scott I love them so much no

idea oh my God have you met them before

idea oh my God have you met them before

idea oh my God have you met them before like very briefly but I've never like

like very briefly but I've never like

like very briefly but I've never like talked to them I'm just like Shake shook

talked to them I'm just like Shake shook

talked to them I'm just like Shake shook their

hands oh my God like the greatest day

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[Music] ever James loved politics and so did

ever James loved politics and so did

ever James loved politics and so did Sarah they both enjoyed being at the

Sarah they both enjoyed being at the

Sarah they both enjoyed being at the center of the young nation's political

center of the young nation's political

center of the young nation's political life when he ran for governor she

life when he ran for governor she

life when he ran for governor she remained in Colombia and track the

remained in Colombia and track the

remained in Colombia and track the political opposition and their

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[Music] doings Colombia April 11

doings Colombia April 11

doings Colombia April 11 1843 dear

1843 dear

1843 dear husband all my fears are you cannot

husband all my fears are you cannot

husband all my fears are you cannot stand the hard labor of the canvas I am

stand the hard labor of the canvas I am

stand the hard labor of the canvas I am not patriotic enough to make sacrifices

not patriotic enough to make sacrifices

not patriotic enough to make sacrifices for my country I love myself I mean my

for my country I love myself I mean my

for my country I love myself I mean my husband better or more than my country

husband better or more than my country

husband better or more than my country you have rather tantalized me in making

you have rather tantalized me in making

you have rather tantalized me in making appointments so near to home and yet

appointments so near to home and yet

appointments so near to home and yet giving me no opportunity of seeing you

giving me no opportunity of seeing you

giving me no opportunity of seeing you Sarah

Sarah

Sarah pulk when he ran for president he did so

pulk when he ran for president he did so

pulk when he ran for president he did so from their front porch and she loved

from their front porch and she loved

from their front porch and she loved having him at home and enjoying with him

having him at home and enjoying with him

having him at home and enjoying with him the excitement of the

the excitement of the

the excitement of the contest it was a closely run thing in

contest it was a closely run thing in

contest it was a closely run thing in 1844 in 1844 the Democrat that's wor

1844 in 1844 the Democrat that's wor

1844 in 1844 the Democrat that's wor split the three nominees for the

split the three nominees for the

split the three nominees for the presidential

candidate we're Martin vanen former

candidate we're Martin vanen former

candidate we're Martin vanen former president and an

president and an

president and an abolitionist James hon a

abolitionist James hon a

abolitionist James hon a moderate leis c a general and

moderate leis c a general and

moderate leis c a general and [Music]

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[Music] expansionist from Nashville came a dark

expansionist from Nashville came a dark

expansionist from Nashville came a dark horse riding a

horse riding a

horse riding a he was James K PA Napoleon of the

he was James K PA Napoleon of the

he was James K PA Napoleon of the stone AER severe he helped you people

stone AER severe he helped you people

stone AER severe he helped you people dear his oratory filled his foes with

dear his oratory filled his foes with

dear his oratory filled his foes with fear faction soon agreed just the man we

fear faction soon agreed just the man we

fear faction soon agreed just the man we need to bring about Victory fulfill our

need to bring about Victory fulfill our

need to bring about Victory fulfill our Manifest

Manifest

Manifest Destiny and Ann next the land and the

Destiny and Ann next the land and the

Destiny and Ann next the land and the Mexicans

Mexicans

Mexicans command and when the vots were cast The

command and when the vots were cast The

command and when the vots were cast The Winner

Winner

Winner was Mr James Napoleon of the stone D

was Mr James Napoleon of the stone D

was Mr James Napoleon of the stone D Miller

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[Applause] guitar

guitar

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for short years he met his every

for short years he met his every

for short years he met his every goal he seized the whole Southwest from

goal he seized the whole Southwest from

goal he seized the whole Southwest from [Music]

[Music]

[Music] Mexico made sure the tariffs fell and

Mexico made sure the tariffs fell and

Mexico made sure the tariffs fell and made the English sell The Oregon

made the English sell The Oregon

made the English sell The Oregon Territory he built an Independent

Territory he built an Independent

Territory he built an Independent Treasury having done all this he saw no

Treasury having done all this he saw no

Treasury having done all this he saw no second

second

second time but precious new have BN the

passing Vis James K PA our 11

passing Vis James K PA our 11

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[Music] president Young Hickory napon all

president Young Hickory napon all

president Young Hickory napon all Bo

Bo

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[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] one of the most difficult things that

one of the most difficult things that

one of the most difficult things that can happen to an anr person is to be

can happen to an anr person is to be

can happen to an anr person is to be offered another opportunity at another

offered another opportunity at another

offered another opportunity at another label and that happened to me in uh 1992

label and that happened to me in uh 1992

label and that happened to me in uh 1992 when Sue left it was kind of the begin I

when Sue left it was kind of the begin I

when Sue left it was kind of the begin I mean it was essentially the beginning of

mean it was essentially the beginning of

mean it was essentially the beginning of the end for us there because we're not a

the end for us there because we're not a

the end for us there because we're not a band that everybody gets and we're

band that everybody gets and we're

band that everybody gets and we're certainly not a band that everybody at

certainly not a band that everybody at

certainly not a band that everybody at record companies get after Sue Drew left

record companies get after Sue Drew left

record companies get after Sue Drew left Electra Bob Kau himself the president of

Electra Bob Kau himself the president of

Electra Bob Kau himself the president of the label had appointed themselves They

the label had appointed themselves They

the label had appointed themselves They Might Be Giants anr person um which

Might Be Giants anr person um which

Might Be Giants anr person um which seemed like a good thing except then he

seemed like a good thing except then he

seemed like a good thing except then he got fired two weeks before our album

got fired two weeks before our album

got fired two weeks before our album came out and um we we went from having

came out and um we we went from having

came out and um we we went from having him as our anr person to the most junior

him as our anr person to the most junior

him as our anr person to the most junior staff member there um who wasn't even

staff member there um who wasn't even

staff member there um who wasn't even particularly a fan and you know we it it

particularly a fan and you know we it it

particularly a fan and you know we it it was a very graphic representation of

was a very graphic representation of

was a very graphic representation of where our stock and the company they

where our stock and the company they

where our stock and the company they stood of course around you know late 91

stood of course around you know late 91

stood of course around you know late 91 there was the whole you know alternative

there was the whole you know alternative

there was the whole you know alternative rock Revolution and you had these you

rock Revolution and you had these you

rock Revolution and you had these you know really you know grungy uh loud

know really you know grungy uh loud

know really you know grungy uh loud bands uh taking over the the record

bands uh taking over the the record

bands uh taking over the the record industry and there didn't seem to be a

industry and there didn't seem to be a

industry and there didn't seem to be a place for a band like They Might Be

place for a band like They Might Be

place for a band like They Might Be Giants and uh at around the same time

Giants and uh at around the same time

Giants and uh at around the same time there was a whole new regime coming in

there was a whole new regime coming in

there was a whole new regime coming in at Electra who uh not only didn't

at Electra who uh not only didn't

at Electra who uh not only didn't understand uh They Might Be Giants they

understand uh They Might Be Giants they

understand uh They Might Be Giants they kind of barely even understood the whole

kind of barely even understood the whole

kind of barely even understood the whole alternative of rock thing so um you know

alternative of rock thing so um you know

alternative of rock thing so um you know bands like They Might Be Giants and

bands like They Might Be Giants and

bands like They Might Be Giants and Frank Black and people like that were

Frank Black and people like that were

Frank Black and people like that were really stranded watching what happened

really stranded watching what happened

really stranded watching what happened to They Might Be Giants on Electra while

to They Might Be Giants on Electra while

to They Might Be Giants on Electra while I was working at another label was one

I was working at another label was one

I was working at another label was one of the most painful things I could

of the most painful things I could

of the most painful things I could experience because here you see a band

experience because here you see a band

experience because here you see a band that you know has only the truest of

that you know has only the truest of

that you know has only the truest of intentions and and wanting to make the

intentions and and wanting to make the

intentions and and wanting to make the best possible records that they could

best possible records that they could

best possible records that they could make and please their fans and yet they

make and please their fans and yet they

make and please their fans and yet they were delivering records to a company

were delivering records to a company

were delivering records to a company that a had no idea what they were about

that a had no idea what they were about

that a had no idea what they were about and B didn't have any idea how to

and B didn't have any idea how to

and B didn't have any idea how to promote

promote

promote them I was pleased to see that they

them I was pleased to see that they

them I was pleased to see that they continued with the live band that they

continued with the live band that they

continued with the live band that they still continued to tour and and that

still continued to tour and and that

still continued to tour and and that they were they were going to be a

they were they were going to be a

they were they were going to be a musical concern no matter what label

musical concern no matter what label

musical concern no matter what label they were signed to no matter what

they were signed to no matter what

they were signed to no matter what happened in their career and and with

happened in their career and and with

happened in their career and and with their record

their record

their record sales but I always felt that they they

sales but I always felt that they they

sales but I always felt that they they deserved

deserved

deserved more not

more not

more not done and I won't be

done and I won't be

done and I won't be my head falls

my head falls

my head falls off bucket on my shirt PS

off bucket on my shirt PS

off bucket on my shirt PS and we went to Japan I'm thinking in 96

and we went to Japan I'm thinking in 96

and we went to Japan I'm thinking in 96 we had like one day in Tokyo we had a

we had like one day in Tokyo we had a

we had like one day in Tokyo we had a travel day to Tokyo with that night off

travel day to Tokyo with that night off

travel day to Tokyo with that night off and then we had a show in Tokyo and we

and then we had a show in Tokyo and we

and then we had a show in Tokyo and we were out of there the next day and the

were out of there the next day and the

were out of there the next day and the band and the John's and everybody wanted

band and the John's and everybody wanted

band and the John's and everybody wanted a chance to hang out in Tokyo a little

a chance to hang out in Tokyo a little

a chance to hang out in Tokyo a little bit so the label comes to us and says

bit so the label comes to us and says

bit so the label comes to us and says how about doing a a you know a live

how about doing a a you know a live

how about doing a a you know a live Coffee House type of performance you

Coffee House type of performance you

Coffee House type of performance you know when you get into town and the John

know when you get into town and the John

know when you get into town and the John said no no we don't want to do that

said no no we don't want to do that

said no no we don't want to do that we're going to be really busy we want we

we're going to be really busy we want we

we're going to be really busy we want we want some hang time I think a couple

want some hang time I think a couple

want some hang time I think a couple days went by and we got another call

days went by and we got another call

days went by and we got another call saying we really like you to do this and

saying we really like you to do this and

saying we really like you to do this and John said no we're not going to do it

John said no we're not going to do it

John said no we're not going to do it we've promised our ban they're going to

we've promised our ban they're going to

we've promised our ban they're going to get to see Tokyo they're going to get to

get to see Tokyo they're going to get to

get to see Tokyo they're going to get to hang out a little bit so I think no was

hang out a little bit so I think no was

hang out a little bit so I think no was said three or four times and as it would

said three or four times and as it would

said three or four times and as it would go up the ladder the Johns would just

go up the ladder the Johns would just

go up the ladder the Johns would just say no you know please listen n o we get

say no you know please listen n o we get

say no you know please listen n o we get to Tokyo we we're onun a bullet train

to Tokyo we we're onun a bullet train

to Tokyo we we're onun a bullet train and we get off the bullet train and

and we get off the bullet train and

and we get off the bullet train and there on the platform is the label R

there on the platform is the label R

there on the platform is the label R ready to take us to the Coffee House

ready to take us to the Coffee House

ready to take us to the Coffee House Performance blessed their hearts they

Performance blessed their hearts they

Performance blessed their hearts they stood there on the platform and said

stood there on the platform and said

stood there on the platform and said this is really uncomfortable for us we

this is really uncomfortable for us we

this is really uncomfortable for us we you know we don't like this position

you know we don't like this position

you know we don't like this position we're not going to do it and they didn't

we're not going to do it and they didn't

we're not going to do it and they didn't do it and I that was pretty much at the

do it and I that was pretty much at the

do it and I that was pretty much at the end of the relationship with Electra and

end of the relationship with Electra and

end of the relationship with Electra and you know maybe that was the final nail

you know maybe that was the final nail

you know maybe that was the final nail but I I really think at the time that

but I I really think at the time that

but I I really think at the time that the Giants were so happy to move on also

the Giants were so happy to move on also

the Giants were so happy to move on also cuz they they weren't getting the

cuz they they weren't getting the

cuz they they weren't getting the attention at all and the communication

attention at all and the communication

attention at all and the communication was horrible and it culminated there

was horrible and it culminated there

was horrible and it culminated there there on a on a platform in

there on a on a platform in

there on a on a platform in Japan I can see myself at the end of the

Japan I can see myself at the end of the

Japan I can see myself at the end of the tour when the road

tour when the road

tour when the road disappears if there's any more people

disappears if there's any more people

disappears if there's any more people around when the tour runs ground and if

around when the tour runs ground and if

around when the tour runs ground and if you're still around then we'll meet at

you're still around then we'll meet at

you're still around then we'll meet at the end of the

the end of the

the end of the tour the engagements are booked through

tour the engagements are booked through

tour the engagements are booked through the end of the world so we'll meet at

the end of the world so we'll meet at

the end of the world so we'll meet at the end of the

the end of the

the end of the tour never depart since the day we met

tour never depart since the day we met

tour never depart since the day we met out on Interstate 91 I was bent metal

out on Interstate 91 I was bent metal

out on Interstate 91 I was bent metal you were a flaming wreck when we kissed

you were a flaming wreck when we kissed

you were a flaming wreck when we kissed at the

at the

at the overpass I was sailing along with the

overpass I was sailing along with the

overpass I was sailing along with the people driving themselves to distraction

people driving themselves to distraction

people driving themselves to distraction inside

inside

inside me then came a knock on the door which

me then came a knock on the door which

me then came a knock on the door which was odd and the picture abruptly

was odd and the picture abruptly

was odd and the picture abruptly changed at the end of the tour when the

changed at the end of the tour when the

changed at the end of the tour when the road

road

road disappears if there's any more people

disappears if there's any more people

disappears if there's any more people around when the tour runs ground and if

around when the tour runs ground and if

around when the tour runs ground and if you're still around then we'll meet at

you're still around then we'll meet at

you're still around then we'll meet at the end of the tour the engagements are

the end of the tour the engagements are

the end of the tour the engagements are booked through the end of the world so

booked through the end of the world so

booked through the end of the world so we'll meet at the end of the

we'll meet at the end of the

we'll meet at the end of the tour this was the

tour this was the

tour this was the vehicle these were the people you opened

vehicle these were the people you opened

vehicle these were the people you opened the door and expelled all the people

the door and expelled all the people

the door and expelled all the people this was the

this was the

this was the vehicle these were the

vehicle these were the

vehicle these were the people you let them

go the end of the tour when the road

go the end of the tour when the road

go the end of the tour when the road disappears if there's any more people

disappears if there's any more people

disappears if there's any more people around when the tour runs ground and if

around when the tour runs ground and if

around when the tour runs ground and if you're still around then we'll meet at

you're still around then we'll meet at

you're still around then we'll meet at the end of the tour the engagements are

the end of the tour the engagements are

the end of the tour the engagements are booked through the end of the world so

booked through the end of the world so

booked through the end of the world so we'll meet at the end of the

we'll meet at the end of the

we'll meet at the end of the tour and we're never going to tour again

tour and we're never going to tour again

tour and we're never going to tour again no we're never going to tour

again even old New York was once new

again even old New York was once new

again even old New York was once new amsterd why they change it I can't say

amsterd why they change it I can't say

amsterd why they change it I can't say people just likeed it better that way so

people just likeed it better that way so

people just likeed it better that way so take me back to Constantin no you can't

take me back to Constantin no you can't

take me back to Constantin no you can't go back to constan a

long get the work nobody with

long get the work nobody with

long get the work nobody with [Music]

the John flansburg is like the Showbiz

the John flansburg is like the Showbiz

the John flansburg is like the Showbiz guy he's the super he's got a bit of

guy he's the super he's got a bit of

guy he's the super he's got a bit of vaud villian in him that's what I always

vaud villian in him that's what I always

vaud villian in him that's what I always thought he is very kind of Vaudeville SL

thought he is very kind of Vaudeville SL

thought he is very kind of Vaudeville SL burlesque

burlesque

burlesque and he really is Mr Show Biz you know

and he really is Mr Show Biz you know

and he really is Mr Show Biz you know whereas lenel kind of more uh he reminds

whereas lenel kind of more uh he reminds

whereas lenel kind of more uh he reminds me of Emily Dickinson in a lot of ways

me of Emily Dickinson in a lot of ways

me of Emily Dickinson in a lot of ways and I always thought you know that was

and I always thought you know that was

and I always thought you know that was almost cheating that they're both named

almost cheating that they're both named

almost cheating that they're both named John and and um that there are these two

John and and um that there are these two

John and and um that there are these two different personalities um cuz from a

different personalities um cuz from a

different personalities um cuz from a metaphorical standpoint it's it's very

metaphorical standpoint it's it's very

metaphorical standpoint it's it's very um appealing to me that there's uh

um appealing to me that there's uh

um appealing to me that there's uh there's the extrovert John and the and

there's the extrovert John and the and

there's the extrovert John and the and the introvert John and John flansburg is

the introvert John and John flansburg is

the introvert John and John flansburg is the the extrovert you know he's the real

the the extrovert you know he's the real

the the extrovert you know he's the real showman The Rocker the guitar player the

showman The Rocker the guitar player the

showman The Rocker the guitar player the the empress Ario flansburg is both half

the empress Ario flansburg is both half

the empress Ario flansburg is both half of the band and he's Colonel Parker like

of the band and he's Colonel Parker like

of the band and he's Colonel Parker like he's the one calling the factory at

he's the one calling the factory at

he's the one calling the factory at midnight to be sure the things will be

midnight to be sure the things will be

midnight to be sure the things will be shipped to Newark at you know 700 in the

shipped to Newark at you know 700 in the

shipped to Newark at you know 700 in the morning so the trucks can get them out

morning so the trucks can get them out

morning so the trucks can get them out to stores and you know also like

to stores and you know also like

to stores and you know also like negotiating the contract with the TV

negotiating the contract with the TV

negotiating the contract with the TV network you know like you get the

network you know like you get the

network you know like you get the feeling that like that's what flansburg

feeling that like that's what flansburg

feeling that like that's what flansburg is doing flansburg you know just he has

is doing flansburg you know just he has

is doing flansburg you know just he has a you know 31h hour day so he's he's

a you know 31h hour day so he's he's

a you know 31h hour day so he's he's just doing more stuff you know than

just doing more stuff you know than

just doing more stuff you know than anybody on the planet I think he could

anybody on the planet I think he could

anybody on the planet I think he could be the president of the United States He

be the president of the United States He

be the president of the United States He Could Be the president of a record

Could Be the president of a record

Could Be the president of a record company you know uh the problem would be

company you know uh the problem would be

company you know uh the problem would be like I think president of the United

like I think president of the United

like I think president of the United States would you know I mean he'd have

States would you know I mean he'd have

States would you know I mean he'd have enough things to keep him busy uh but if

enough things to keep him busy uh but if

enough things to keep him busy uh but if he was the president of record company

he was the president of record company

he was the president of record company he'd probably have something going on

he'd probably have something going on

he'd probably have something going on the side John flansburg is sort of like

the side John flansburg is sort of like

the side John flansburg is sort of like the mouthpiece for the band he does the

the mouthpiece for the band he does the

the mouthpiece for the band he does the set lists he's uh more involved with the

set lists he's uh more involved with the

set lists he's uh more involved with the artistic element of the show this is

artistic element of the show this is

artistic element of the show this is don't into spy into Cyclops into minimum

don't into spy into Cyclops into minimum

don't into spy into Cyclops into minimum so it's like a total sled ride we're on

so it's like a total sled ride we're on

so it's like a total sled ride we're on the bus and there's not enough Mountain

the bus and there's not enough Mountain

the bus and there's not enough Mountain Dews and one of the guys doesn't drink

Dews and one of the guys doesn't drink

Dews and one of the guys doesn't drink any other soft drink flans will stop the

any other soft drink flans will stop the

any other soft drink flans will stop the bus in the middle of the night jump off

bus in the middle of the night jump off

bus in the middle of the night jump off the bus go to the Quicky Mart and buy a

the bus go to the Quicky Mart and buy a

the bus go to the Quicky Mart and buy a sixpack of Mountain Dew to make sure

sixpack of Mountain Dew to make sure

sixpack of Mountain Dew to make sure that person's happy that's you know what

that person's happy that's you know what

that person's happy that's you know what people don't realize he's actually

people don't realize he's actually

people don't realize he's actually scoring dope that's really what you know

scoring dope that's really what you know

scoring dope that's really what you know the Mountain Dew the

the Mountain Dew the

the Mountain Dew the front George

front George

front George please don't don't get all up in that

me you tell me what's best this this is

me you tell me what's best this this is

me you tell me what's best this this is this is what I'm suggesting it's Verse

this is what I'm suggesting it's Verse

this is what I'm suggesting it's Verse Chorus Verse Chorus keyboard solo and

Chorus Verse Chorus keyboard solo and

Chorus Verse Chorus keyboard solo and then you know in the in the holes and

then you know in the in the holes and

then you know in the in the holes and then what do we do after that flansburg

then what do we do after that flansburg

then what do we do after that flansburg is a very outgoing and strong

is a very outgoing and strong

is a very outgoing and strong personality and Lenell would much I

personality and Lenell would much I

personality and Lenell would much I think rather be writing songs I think it

think rather be writing songs I think it

think rather be writing songs I think it suits him to to defer to flansburg in

suits him to to defer to flansburg in

suits him to to defer to flansburg in terms of being the sort of the the the

terms of being the sort of the the the

terms of being the sort of the the the the public voice if Lenell weren't in a

the public voice if Lenell weren't in a

the public voice if Lenell weren't in a band he would still be writing as many

band he would still be writing as many

band he would still be writing as many songs but like nobody would ever hear

songs but like nobody would ever hear

songs but like nobody would ever hear them he would just be in his basement

them he would just be in his basement

them he would just be in his basement just like making songs like he's just

just like making songs like he's just

just like making songs like he's just driven to make songs you know there's

driven to make songs you know there's

driven to make songs you know there's like a whole category of of people who

like a whole category of of people who

like a whole category of of people who um who have an extroverted side where

um who have an extroverted side where

um who have an extroverted side where they want to perform but are actually

they want to perform but are actually

they want to perform but are actually deeply shy it's like a very special kind

deeply shy it's like a very special kind

deeply shy it's like a very special kind of performer I think that gives like his

of performer I think that gives like his

of performer I think that gives like his presence on stage a special quality cuz

presence on stage a special quality cuz

presence on stage a special quality cuz you can you can tell that that maybe

you can you can tell that that maybe

you can you can tell that that maybe he'd really just as soon be home those

he'd really just as soon be home those

he'd really just as soon be home those are eyeballs those are eyeballs yes we

are eyeballs those are eyeballs yes we

are eyeballs those are eyeballs yes we had those we did yeah you have them in

had those we did yeah you have them in

had those we did yeah you have them in your

your

your head on my eye on your eye you know it's

head on my eye on your eye you know it's

head on my eye on your eye you know it's going to be more difficult in a few days

going to be more difficult in a few days

going to be more difficult in a few days when we go out on the

when we go out on the

when we go out on the road and I'm seeing Henry only once uh

road and I'm seeing Henry only once uh

road and I'm seeing Henry only once uh every every 3 weeks you know up until

every every 3 weeks you know up until

every every 3 weeks you know up until about Christmas time it took up every

about Christmas time it took up every

about Christmas time it took up every bit of our

bit of our

bit of our time and

time and

time and we

we

we we um you know we did we couldn't write

we um you know we did we couldn't write

we um you know we did we couldn't write songs or make records or do any of that

stuff when you know Lenell and you hear

stuff when you know Lenell and you hear

stuff when you know Lenell and you hear him sing a song on one of his records

him sing a song on one of his records

him sing a song on one of his records you laugh even harder or that much more

you laugh even harder or that much more

you laugh even harder or that much more like fascinated by it because you know

like fascinated by it because you know

like fascinated by it because you know him and you go like you know it's like

him and you go like you know it's like

him and you go like you know it's like it's you know it really it isn't just

it's you know it really it isn't just

it's you know it really it isn't just like oh he's just doing his his little

like oh he's just doing his his little

like oh he's just doing his his little thing that he does you know what I mean

thing that he does you know what I mean

thing that he does you know what I mean and um oh isn't that nice it's really

and um oh isn't that nice it's really

and um oh isn't that nice it's really like oh my gosh it's like that guy that

like oh my gosh it's like that guy that

like oh my gosh it's like that guy that I met that guy that I know in this weird

I met that guy that I know in this weird

I met that guy that I know in this weird song I listen to they they are one I

song I listen to they they are one I

song I listen to they they are one I think lenel it almost seems like he

think lenel it almost seems like he

think lenel it almost seems like he genetically has this melody gene or

genetically has this melody gene or

genetically has this melody gene or something that has allows him to write

something that has allows him to write

something that has allows him to write these

these

these incredible cascading Melodies that uh

incredible cascading Melodies that uh

incredible cascading Melodies that uh just stick in your

just stick in your

just stick in your cranium and it's got like this gorgeous

cranium and it's got like this gorgeous

cranium and it's got like this gorgeous perfect lyric it's like one you know an

perfect lyric it's like one you know an

perfect lyric it's like one you know an afternoon the one that really got to

afternoon the one that really got to

afternoon the one that really got to me was um I asked him to write a song

me was um I asked him to write a song

me was um I asked him to write a song about a

about a

about a sneeze uh someone who was cleaning a

sneeze uh someone who was cleaning a

sneeze uh someone who was cleaning a vehicle that was going to go to the Moon

vehicle that was going to go to the Moon

vehicle that was going to go to the Moon sneeze at a little germ quickly washed

sneeze at a little germ quickly washed

sneeze at a little germ quickly washed it all off but one germ stuck in the

it all off but one germ stuck in the

it all off but one germ stuck in the machine that germ traveled to the moon

machine that germ traveled to the moon

machine that germ traveled to the moon was bombarded by solar radiation and

was bombarded by solar radiation and

was bombarded by solar radiation and somehow survived I said to him John May

somehow survived I said to him John May

somehow survived I said to him John May me a ballad of the Lonely

me a ballad of the Lonely

me a ballad of the Lonely germ this would have taken me two weeks

germ this would have taken me two weeks

germ this would have taken me two weeks to sort of he did it as best I can tell

to sort of he did it as best I can tell

to sort of he did it as best I can tell between lunch and

dinner now

dinner now

dinner now that's not

that's not

that's not [Music]

[Music]

[Music] rightow swing their feet down stand up

rightow swing their feet down stand up

rightow swing their feet down stand up and move out to the street like their

and move out to the street like their

and move out to the street like their under fell and they're wanding all

under fell and they're wanding all

under fell and they're wanding all around the country man they're walk in

around the country man they're walk in

around the country man they're walk in the

the

the sea I think John is a musical genius

sea I think John is a musical genius

sea I think John is a musical genius John is like the biggest you know

John is like the biggest you know

John is like the biggest you know musical influence I've ever had you know

musical influence I've ever had you know

musical influence I've ever had you know um he's introduced me to a whole lot of

um he's introduced me to a whole lot of

um he's introduced me to a whole lot of of really interesting ideas and uh I

of really interesting ideas and uh I

of really interesting ideas and uh I don't think I'd be the kind of

don't think I'd be the kind of

don't think I'd be the kind of songwriter that I am if I hadn't worked

songwriter that I am if I hadn't worked

songwriter that I am if I hadn't worked with him you know it's like we work

with him you know it's like we work

with him you know it's like we work together on some songs and then we write

together on some songs and then we write

together on some songs and then we write songs separately I think it's a healthy

songs separately I think it's a healthy

songs separately I think it's a healthy competition speaking as somebody who is

competition speaking as somebody who is

competition speaking as somebody who is just you know I'm not a virtuoso uh uh

just you know I'm not a virtuoso uh uh

just you know I'm not a virtuoso uh uh uh performer and I'm not like I don't

uh performer and I'm not like I don't

uh performer and I'm not like I don't have a lot of Music Theory background so

have a lot of Music Theory background so

have a lot of Music Theory background so I mean be working with John you um you

I mean be working with John you um you

I mean be working with John you um you know just kicks my ass so hard all the

know just kicks my ass so hard all the

know just kicks my ass so hard all the time to try to sort of write to his

time to try to sort of write to his

time to try to sort of write to his level I always thought of him as being

level I always thought of him as being

level I always thought of him as being the guy in the back room you know with

the guy in the back room you know with

the guy in the back room you know with the tools you know putting this stuff

the tools you know putting this stuff

the tools you know putting this stuff together and was the salesman who was

together and was the salesman who was

together and was the salesman who was out there you know selling it I'm very

out there you know selling it I'm very

out there you know selling it I'm very flattered by that by that idea but I

flattered by that by that idea but I

flattered by that by that idea but I think that

think that

think that um I think that that you

um I think that that you

um I think that that you know the horrible truth is that I always

know the horrible truth is that I always

know the horrible truth is that I always felt in my relationship to flans like he

felt in my relationship to flans like he

felt in my relationship to flans like he had this kind of

had this kind of

had this kind of special you know I I hate the word

special you know I I hate the word

special you know I I hate the word genius but I think that he's like one of

genius but I think that he's like one of

genius but I think that he's like one of these people who gets who gets these uh

these people who gets who gets these uh

these people who gets who gets these uh the kind of Inspirations that I always

the kind of Inspirations that I always

the kind of Inspirations that I always feel jealous of John really is an

feel jealous of John really is an

feel jealous of John really is an original thinker you know uh and I'm not

original thinker you know uh and I'm not

original thinker you know uh and I'm not trying this is not false modesty I

trying this is not false modesty I

trying this is not false modesty I really I really think that Jon is kind

really I really think that Jon is kind

really I really think that Jon is kind of a more rare commodity in a way which

of a more rare commodity in a way which

of a more rare commodity in a way which is to say is disinterested in in

is to say is disinterested in in

is to say is disinterested in in Tradition if it um runs up against

Tradition if it um runs up against

Tradition if it um runs up against something that's more attractive to him

something that's more attractive to him

something that's more attractive to him I'm not just respectful of it I'm really

I'm not just respectful of it I'm really

I'm not just respectful of it I'm really kind of envious of it I think I think

kind of envious of it I think I think

kind of envious of it I think I think that's a great uh a great gift you know

that's a great uh a great gift you know

that's a great uh a great gift you know so in some ways I think that um I hope

so in some ways I think that um I hope

so in some ways I think that um I hope John never finds out really I guess

John never finds out really I guess

John never finds out really I guess he'll see this film eventually and then

he'll see this film eventually and then

he'll see this film eventually and then he'll know but but uh I I sort of feel

he'll know but but uh I I sort of feel

he'll know but but uh I I sort of feel like he could do it all by himself and

like he could do it all by himself and

like he could do it all by himself and he'd have a very very good franchise on

he'd have a very very good franchise on

he'd have a very very good franchise on his own um but I sort of need him to

his own um but I sort of need him to

his own um but I sort of need him to believe that I am somehow essential to

believe that I am somehow essential to

believe that I am somehow essential to this

project

project

project [Music]

[Music]

[Music] I'm sorry I was I was thinking about

I'm sorry I was I was thinking about

I'm sorry I was I was thinking about Gary's part I was thinking I was

Gary's part I was thinking I was

Gary's part I was thinking I was actually thinking if I were playing that

actually thinking if I were playing that

actually thinking if I were playing that what would I

what would I

what would I do you're probably wondering if there

do you're probably wondering if there

do you're probably wondering if there was sex

was sex

was sex exchanged not yet were you leading up to

exchanged not yet were you leading up to

exchanged not yet were you leading up to that no no oh this isn't okay okay this

that no no oh this isn't okay okay this

that no no oh this isn't okay okay this isn't like a penny Baker documentary

isn't like a penny Baker documentary

isn't like a penny Baker documentary this is is this more like a Fluff piece

this is is this more like a Fluff piece

this is is this more like a Fluff piece well I want to make sure that I come

well I want to make sure that I come

well I want to make sure that I come across as the Mike Love Of Z in this

across as the Mike Love Of Z in this

across as the Mike Love Of Z in this documentary I want to make it

documentary I want to make it

documentary I want to make it clear the bad vibes start here I think

clear the bad vibes start here I think

clear the bad vibes start here I think that they had tons of sex but I can't

that they had tons of sex but I can't

that they had tons of sex but I can't really confirm or deny that and it

really confirm or deny that and it

really confirm or deny that and it wasn't with me are I'll tell you what's

wasn't with me are I'll tell you what's

wasn't with me are I'll tell you what's feeling weird right now we're being

feeling weird right now we're being

feeling weird right now we're being videoed and I'm talking about the thing

videoed and I'm talking about the thing

videoed and I'm talking about the thing what Donna talks about in that stupid

my mons are just going in and out I

my mons are just going in and out I

my mons are just going in and out I can't hear myself at all you know that

can't hear myself at all you know that

can't hear myself at all you know that cuz their parents are alive right and

cuz their parents are alive right and

cuz their parents are alive right and they're going to see this right

they're going to see this right

they're going to see this right okay them did you shoot me asleep yes I

okay them did you shoot me asleep yes I

okay them did you shoot me asleep yes I did you did

not I didn't realize this is a disco

not I didn't realize this is a disco

not I didn't realize this is a disco [\h__\h] Blues while the band sound

[\h__\h] Blues while the band sound

[\h__\h] Blues while the band sound checked one day in Florida I went to a

checked one day in Florida I went to a

checked one day in Florida I went to a little thrift store next door and I

little thrift store next door and I

little thrift store next door and I bought a

bought a

bought a $3 platinum blonde wig

$3 platinum blonde wig

$3 platinum blonde wig a really cheap ass wig I found it

a really cheap ass wig I found it

a really cheap ass wig I found it interesting that all of a sudden they

interesting that all of a sudden they

interesting that all of a sudden they were kind of lining up going hey you

were kind of lining up going hey you

were kind of lining up going hey you come to the show tonight would you like

come to the show tonight would you like

come to the show tonight would you like to be on the list hey wow I was like

to be on the list hey wow I was like

to be on the list hey wow I was like yeah I'd love to come to the show you

yeah I'd love to come to the show you

yeah I'd love to come to the show you have to imagine wait don't imagine wait

have to imagine wait don't imagine wait

have to imagine wait don't imagine wait so it's more like you know

so it's more like you know

so it's more like you know blonde and you know like just you

know well okay now I'm a little Joey

know well okay now I'm a little Joey

know well okay now I'm a little Joey Ramon which is cool but I don't know if

Ramon which is cool but I don't know if

Ramon which is cool but I don't know if it would have the same effect but

it would have the same effect but

it would have the same effect but picture it blonde and more

picture it blonde and more

picture it blonde and more attractive all I'm saying is

attractive all I'm saying is

attractive all I'm saying is guys my

guys my

guys my word don't be so cheap and easy we like

word don't be so cheap and easy we like

word don't be so cheap and easy we like a challenge

a challenge

a challenge too what was the

[Music]

[Music]

[Music] question a lot of things became Poss POS

question a lot of things became Poss POS

question a lot of things became Poss POS for us after we weren't constrained by

for us after we weren't constrained by

for us after we weren't constrained by our strict major label record deal I

our strict major label record deal I

our strict major label record deal I guess there was also the further

guess there was also the further

guess there was also the further realization that we you know the Giants

realization that we you know the Giants

realization that we you know the Giants had a had to get to work if they were

had a had to get to work if they were

had a had to get to work if they were going to you know keep the project alive

going to you know keep the project alive

going to you know keep the project alive there's a ton of press about what

there's a ton of press about what

there's a ton of press about what digital music was going to do and what

digital music was going to do and what

digital music was going to do and what the numbers were going to be like and

the numbers were going to be like and

the numbers were going to be like and how was cannibalizing record sales and

how was cannibalizing record sales and

how was cannibalizing record sales and Retail was going to freak out and record

Retail was going to freak out and record

Retail was going to freak out and record companies were clean to secure formats

companies were clean to secure formats

companies were clean to secure formats and all of that sort of stuff and E

and all of that sort of stuff and E

and all of that sort of stuff and E music was sort of in the back seat going

music was sort of in the back seat going

music was sort of in the back seat going we have something here it's just a

we have something here it's just a

we have something here it's just a question of you know will it resonate

question of you know will it resonate

question of you know will it resonate with the people and the Giants came to

with the people and the Giants came to

with the people and the Giants came to eMusic basically said we have a piece of

eMusic basically said we have a piece of

eMusic basically said we have a piece of work that's pretty much finished um

work that's pretty much finished um

work that's pretty much finished um we're going to call it Long Tall weekend

we're going to call it Long Tall weekend

we're going to call it Long Tall weekend that we'd like to distribute exclusively

that we'd like to distribute exclusively

that we'd like to distribute exclusively through music um online no one's ever

through music um online no one's ever

through music um online no one's ever really done that before and as a result

really done that before and as a result

really done that before and as a result they are the highest selling um band on

they are the highest selling um band on

they are the highest selling um band on the internet they worked on our radio

the internet they worked on our radio

the internet they worked on our radio show with us and um they just did that

show with us and um they just did that

show with us and um they just did that collaboration with mcweeney the um

collaboration with mcweeney the um

collaboration with mcweeney the um Journal I guess we're supposed to call

Journal I guess we're supposed to call

Journal I guess we're supposed to call it please recognize our notable namesake

it please recognize our notable namesake

it please recognize our notable namesake the Journal of

the Journal of

the Journal of Pros it's bizarre to be in a position

Pros it's bizarre to be in a position

Pros it's bizarre to be in a position where you could email them and hope to

where you could email them and hope to

where you could email them and hope to work with them or something and it works

work with them or something and it works

work with them or something and it works out um I just feel it it doesn't make

out um I just feel it it doesn't make

out um I just feel it it doesn't make any sense you know but it's um I'll take

any sense you know but it's um I'll take

any sense you know but it's um I'll take it why is it taking so long for you to

it why is it taking so long for you to

it why is it taking so long for you to come out with a new album we've been

come out with a new album we've been

come out with a new album we've been doing all this soundtrack work and

doing all this soundtrack work and

doing all this soundtrack work and incidental music work so we been pretty

incidental music work so we been pretty

incidental music work so we been pretty busy

busy

busy evil evil is his One and Only

Name they hadn't been around for so long

Name they hadn't been around for so long

Name they hadn't been around for so long and successful for so long uh their fans

and successful for so long uh their fans

and successful for so long uh their fans wouldn't have you know come into

wouldn't have you know come into

wouldn't have you know come into positions of power there are a lot of

positions of power there are a lot of

positions of power there are a lot of people in the creative Community who've

people in the creative Community who've

people in the creative Community who've like really come forward and made their

like really come forward and made their

like really come forward and made their interest in what we do known and and

interest in what we do known and and

interest in what we do known and and Incorporated our music into their

Incorporated our music into their

Incorporated our music into their projects and we feel old yeah I mean

projects and we feel old yeah I mean

projects and we feel old yeah I mean we're sort of we're reaching the you

we're sort of we're reaching the you

we're sort of we're reaching the you know the Mark Twain 's late period when

know the Mark Twain 's late period when

know the Mark Twain 's late period when he was the play thing of the rich yes no

he was the play thing of the rich yes no

he was the play thing of the rich yes no maybe I don't know

canat you go to these guys uh concerts

canat you go to these guys uh concerts

canat you go to these guys uh concerts and you buy their records and then all

and you buy their records and then all

and you buy their records and then all of a sudden you're on the phone with

of a sudden you're on the phone with

of a sudden you're on the phone with them and they're going like uh well do

them and they're going like uh well do

them and they're going like uh well do you have any notes on this song any

you have any notes on this song any

you have any notes on this song any adjustments you would like to

adjustments you would like to

adjustments you would like to make you know on the phone going like I

make you know on the phone going like I

make you know on the phone going like I can't believe I'm on the phone flash

can't believe I'm on the phone flash

can't believe I'm on the phone flash roach has survived five extinctions

roach has survived five extinctions

roach has survived five extinctions before I guess they are good but I don't

before I guess they are good but I don't

before I guess they are good but I don't know what for dandelion can adapt and

know what for dandelion can adapt and

know what for dandelion can adapt and renew seems like they grow best right

renew seems like they grow best right

renew seems like they grow best right under my

under my

under my shoe we've got some terrific

shoe we've got some terrific

shoe we've got some terrific questions plenty of questions on the

questions plenty of questions on the

questions plenty of questions on the road to A Brave New

road to A Brave New

road to A Brave New [Music]

World this is is The Daily Show with

World this is is The Daily Show with

World this is is The Daily Show with John Stewart the most important

John Stewart the most important

John Stewart the most important television program ever here's what the

television program ever here's what the

television program ever here's what the Rob was saying here was my idea Robin

Rob was saying here was my idea Robin

Rob was saying here was my idea Robin was saying how like moock in the middle

was saying how like moock in the middle

was saying how like moock in the middle has like brought in like jocks into the

has like brought in like jocks into the

has like brought in like jocks into the fold as well so like talking about the

fold as well so like talking about the

fold as well so like talking about the nerd jock Paradigm

nerd jock Paradigm

nerd jock Paradigm Shift about that's that's uh well we had

Shift about that's that's uh well we had

Shift about that's that's uh well we had Robin that we weren't talking about you

Robin that we weren't talking about you

Robin that we weren't talking about you guys more about the fans and she got

guys more about the fans and she got

guys more about the fans and she got very defensive and then we were like no

very defensive and then we were like no

very defensive and then we were like no we don't mean that they're are friends

we don't mean that they're are friends

we don't mean that they're are friends we

we

we mean well you don't know how sensitive

mean well you don't know how sensitive

mean well you don't know how sensitive we

we

we are some sort oford right right well you

are some sort oford right right well you

are some sort oford right right well you know I mean yeah you know how it is you

know I mean yeah you know how it is you

know I mean yeah you know how it is you know how it is I was a bartender and

know how it is I was a bartender and

know how it is I was a bartender and City Gardens was let's be frank uh uh a

City Gardens was let's be frank uh uh a

City Gardens was let's be frank uh uh a whole you were expert at uh opening

whole you were expert at uh opening

whole you were expert at uh opening beers we noticed that right away thank

beers we noticed that right away thank

beers we noticed that right away thank you thank you very much um you're one of

you thank you very much um you're one of

you thank you very much um you're one of my top jobs as bartender well I don't

my top jobs as bartender well I don't

my top jobs as bartender well I don't know if you people are aware of a c in

know if you people are aware of a c in

know if you people are aware of a c in New Jersey but basically it's like uh

New Jersey but basically it's like uh

New Jersey but basically it's like uh about Trenton Trenton no it's it's like

about Trenton Trenton no it's it's like

about Trenton Trenton no it's it's like Camden similar right which is about

Camden similar right which is about

Camden similar right which is about miles the gates the vibe of the band

miles the gates the vibe of the band

miles the gates the vibe of the band basically is you talk a lot till you

basically is you talk a lot till you

basically is you talk a lot till you make a mistake I'm the fact cheer then

make a mistake I'm the fact cheer then

make a mistake I'm the fact cheer then he comes in and goes no right that's not

he comes in and goes no right that's not

he comes in and goes no right that's not right right he's sort of the Lenin yeah

right right he's sort of the Lenin yeah

right right he's sort of the Lenin yeah uh you're the mcar he's the trosy yeah

uh you're the mcar he's the trosy yeah

uh you're the mcar he's the trosy yeah the

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TR it's it's a it's a sort of a Lenin

TR it's it's a it's a sort of a Lenin McCartney Dynamic and uh I won't say say

McCartney Dynamic and uh I won't say say

McCartney Dynamic and uh I won't say say who's Lennon and who's McCartney people

who's Lennon and who's McCartney people

who's Lennon and who's McCartney people are going to know that we've heard of

are going to know that we've heard of

are going to know that we've heard of The Beatles when they see this in the

movie we might be losing some

movie we might be losing some

movie we might be losing some credibility with our audience for not

credibility with our audience for not

credibility with our audience for not having just done things like made it up

having just done things like made it up

having just done things like made it up yeah they find out we've actually heard

yeah they find out we've actually heard

yeah they find out we've actually heard heard Beatles records they're going to

heard Beatles records they're going to

heard Beatles records they're going to feel differently about

us we are the shitty

us we are the shitty

us we are the shitty [Laughter]

[Laughter]

[Laughter] beetles they tell that they they love

beetles they tell that they they love

beetles they tell that they they love each other they look at each other as

each other they look at each other as

each other they look at each other as friendss they're not going to break up

friendss they're not going to break up

friendss they're not going to break up the way most teams do break up at the

the way most teams do break up at the

the way most teams do break up at the peak of their Fame they want to go their

peak of their Fame they want to go their

peak of their Fame they want to go their separate ways they don't get on each

separate ways they don't get on each

separate ways they don't get on each other's nerves and uh they're both

other's nerves and uh they're both

other's nerves and uh they're both beautiful people it's a true friendship

beautiful people it's a true friendship

beautiful people it's a true friendship and you know it's it's it's a marriage

and you know it's it's it's a marriage

and you know it's it's it's a marriage of sorts we manage to spend a crazy

of sorts we manage to spend a crazy

of sorts we manage to spend a crazy amount of time together without actually

amount of time together without actually

amount of time together without actually getting resentful about it what is the

getting resentful about it what is the

getting resentful about it what is the price of Fame that that that uh

price of Fame that that that uh

price of Fame that that that uh flansburg ell They Might Be Giants have

flansburg ell They Might Be Giants have

flansburg ell They Might Be Giants have have paid well we have to smell each

have paid well we have to smell each

have paid well we have to smell each other for months on end a tiny bus now

other for months on end a tiny bus now

other for months on end a tiny bus now is this a ritual it's it's involuntary

is this a ritual it's it's involuntary

is this a ritual it's it's involuntary it's involuntary this is this is based

it's involuntary this is this is based

it's involuntary this is this is based on the Close Quarters you're in you know

on the Close Quarters you're in you know

on the Close Quarters you're in you know we're we're about to hit the road we're

we're we're about to hit the road we're

we're we're about to hit the road we're going to be a really tiny bus with a

going to be a really tiny bus with a

going to be a really tiny bus with a bunch of other guys and uh that's what

bunch of other guys and uh that's what

bunch of other guys and uh that's what we have to look forward to that's see

we have to look forward to that's see

we have to look forward to that's see other bands uh the Village People for

other bands uh the Village People for

other bands uh the Village People for instance look forward to that

instance look forward to that

instance look forward to that experience actually we were do we were

experience actually we were do we were

experience actually we were do we were doing an interview once and I I was

doing an interview once and I I was

doing an interview once and I I was sitting next to John and he and he

sitting next to John and he and he

sitting next to John and he and he saying like yeah we got to spend a lot

saying like yeah we got to spend a lot

saying like yeah we got to spend a lot of time together you know it's it's

of time together you know it's it's

of time together you know it's it's really hard on a relationship I me we

really hard on a relationship I me we

really hard on a relationship I me we respect each other but you know it gets

respect each other but you know it gets

respect each other but you know it gets to a point where you just resent the way

to a point where you just resent the way

to a point where you just resent the way the other guy

the other guy

the other guy breathes and I'm thinking this was news

breathes and I'm thinking this was news

breathes and I'm thinking this was news to John and I'm thinking he resents the

to John and I'm thinking he resents the

to John and I'm thinking he resents the way I Breathe Right you know that's

way I Breathe Right you know that's

way I Breathe Right you know that's that's not fair I don't resent the way

that's not fair I don't resent the way

that's not fair I don't resent the way he

he

he breathes we've been stuck together so

breathes we've been stuck together so

breathes we've been stuck together so much that it's really kind of unfair on

much that it's really kind of unfair on

much that it's really kind of unfair on our relationship I think it's it's

our relationship I think it's it's

our relationship I think it's it's unfortunate because we can't really

unfortunate because we can't really

unfortunate because we can't really socialize in in the way that like you

socialize in in the way that like you

socialize in in the way that like you know people who are just you know who

know people who are just you know who

know people who are just you know who are just friends do there's a thing

are just friends do there's a thing

are just friends do there's a thing about your oldest friends too that they

about your oldest friends too that they

about your oldest friends too that they they I'm sure you know that they they

they I'm sure you know that they they

they I'm sure you know that they they they make you laugh in a way that you

they make you laugh in a way that you

they make you laugh in a way that you feel like nobody else has that direct

feel like nobody else has that direct

feel like nobody else has that direct line on on your sensibility one of the

line on on your sensibility one of the

line on on your sensibility one of the first things we had to sorry one of the

first things we had to sorry one of the

first things we had to sorry one of the one of the first things we had

one of the first things we had

one of the first things we had [Laughter]

[Laughter]

[Laughter] to

sorry

you want toti bring them in bring them

you want toti bring them in bring them

you want toti bring them in bring them in John and John will never have the

in John and John will never have the

in John and John will never have the problem of almost being nothing their

problem of almost being nothing their

problem of almost being nothing their somethingness is Rock

somethingness is Rock

somethingness is Rock Solid but it is

Solid but it is

Solid but it is America and in America the only way

America and in America the only way

America and in America the only way you're truly validated is if the entire

you're truly validated is if the entire

you're truly validated is if the entire country at some point stands up and says

country at some point stands up and says

country at some point stands up and says we love

we love

we love you so of course you want

you so of course you want

you so of course you want that but in their case I bet they've got

that but in their case I bet they've got

that but in their case I bet they've got the solid place you know sometimes it

the solid place you know sometimes it

the solid place you know sometimes it must seem a little frustrating but I but

must seem a little frustrating but I but

must seem a little frustrating but I but they've got it and you can

they've got it and you can

they've got it and you can see in their eyes that they know they've

see in their eyes that they know they've

see in their eyes that they know they've got it not in their fans eyes in their

got it not in their fans eyes in their

got it not in their fans eyes in their eyes I think it all comes back down to

eyes I think it all comes back down to

eyes I think it all comes back down to the Cold War has like so many things you

the Cold War has like so many things you

the Cold War has like so many things you know I mean I think if you're a

know I mean I think if you're a

know I mean I think if you're a sensitive and smart person uh growing up

sensitive and smart person uh growing up

sensitive and smart person uh growing up say in the 70s and 80s in this country

say in the 70s and 80s in this country

say in the 70s and 80s in this country then there's a certain kind of of humor

then there's a certain kind of of humor

then there's a certain kind of of humor that appeals to you that has a sort of

that appeals to you that has a sort of

that appeals to you that has a sort of absurdist slant where there are these um

absurdist slant where there are these um

absurdist slant where there are these um smart people who have

smart people who have

smart people who have um curious takes on a curious

um curious takes on a curious

um curious takes on a curious America and um who are funny but not um

America and um who are funny but not um

America and um who are funny but not um not but in a new way um kind of like how

not but in a new way um kind of like how

not but in a new way um kind of like how Letterman wasn't comedy Capital C you

Letterman wasn't comedy Capital C you

Letterman wasn't comedy Capital C you know it wasn't jokes about airplanes or

know it wasn't jokes about airplanes or

know it wasn't jokes about airplanes or something it was about not taking the

something it was about not taking the

something it was about not taking the world for granted the thing I love about

world for granted the thing I love about

world for granted the thing I love about They Might Be Giants is that they don't

They Might Be Giants is that they don't

They Might Be Giants is that they don't take the world for

take the world for

take the world for [Music]

[Music]

[Music] granted on

granted on

granted on theone and I was glad toar from you I

theone and I was glad toar from you I

theone and I was glad toar from you I was all alone you said it's snowing it's

was all alone you said it's snowing it's

was all alone you said it's snowing it's snowing God I hate this weather now I

snowing God I hate this weather now I

snowing God I hate this weather now I walk through just to get us back

walk through just to get us back

walk through just to get us back together

we met in

we met in

we met in theing rock

theing rock

theing rock and it was on B when it was time to go

and it was on B when it was time to go

and it was on B when it was time to go we kissed on the subway in the midle of

we kissed on the subway in the midle of

we kissed on the subway in the midle of the night you H my hand I held yours the

the night you H my hand I held yours the

the night you H my hand I held yours the best night of my

best night of my

best night of my life every want your friend in New York

life every want your friend in New York

life every want your friend in New York City and everything looks beautiful when

City and everything looks beautiful when

City and everything looks beautiful when you're young and pretty streets are p

you're young and pretty streets are p

you're young and pretty streets are p with diamond and there's just so much to

with diamond and there's just so much to

with diamond and there's just so much to say but the best thing about New York

say but the best thing about New York

say but the best thing about New York City is you and

City is you and

City is you and [Music]

[Music]

[Music] me Statue of Liberty Staten Island fairy

me Statue of Liberty Staten Island fairy

me Statue of Liberty Staten Island fairy Co-op City Cates and Tiffany Central

Co-op City Cates and Tiffany Central

Co-op City Cates and Tiffany Central Park Brooklyn Bridge the Empire State

Park Brooklyn Bridge the Empire State

Park Brooklyn Bridge the Empire State where King Kong lived con Island and

where King Kong lived con Island and

where King Kong lived con Island and Time Square Rockefeller Center wish I

Time Square Rockefeller Center wish I

Time Square Rockefeller Center wish I was there we do a lot of shows with a

was there we do a lot of shows with a

was there we do a lot of shows with a lot of other bands and so we get I kind

lot of other bands and so we get I kind

lot of other bands and so we get I kind of feel like we have an inside view to

of feel like we have an inside view to

of feel like we have an inside view to some extent of what it's like in the

some extent of what it's like in the

some extent of what it's like in the Rock world and I think what in a lot of

Rock world and I think what in a lot of

Rock world and I think what in a lot of ways

ways

ways separates uh the Giants from my

separates uh the Giants from my

separates uh the Giants from my experience with a lot of other people is

experience with a lot of other people is

experience with a lot of other people is that everybody involved in it is kind of

that everybody involved in it is kind of

that everybody involved in it is kind of as you see them they've always been very

as you see them they've always been very

as you see them they've always been very original they've always kind of done

original they've always kind of done

original they've always kind of done their own thing and I think that that

their own thing and I think that that

their own thing and I think that that that sets them apart from a lot of uh

that sets them apart from a lot of uh

that sets them apart from a lot of uh other bands a lot of other Trends and

other bands a lot of other Trends and

other bands a lot of other Trends and and uh and has given them longevity and

and uh and has given them longevity and

and uh and has given them longevity and I think that that that shows people that

I think that that that shows people that

I think that that that shows people that you can be yourself and be in a band and

you can be yourself and be in a band and

you can be yourself and be in a band and your band can do well it's just a nice

your band can do well it's just a nice

your band can do well it's just a nice lesson about you know cuz there's an

lesson about you know cuz there's an

lesson about you know cuz there's an awful lot of people in with Talent there

awful lot of people in with Talent there

awful lot of people in with Talent there really are but but most people just give

really are but but most people just give

really are but but most people just give up because because of you know the

up because because of you know the

up because because of you know the disappointments that hit everybody and

disappointments that hit everybody and

disappointments that hit everybody and they they had that persistence I always

they they had that persistence I always

they they had that persistence I always wondered where does the name They Might

wondered where does the name They Might

wondered where does the name They Might Be Giants come from

Be Giants come from

Be Giants come from um why

um why

um why not we are giants Dam it we we're huge I

not we are giants Dam it we we're huge I

not we are giants Dam it we we're huge I think that um this the the sort of the

think that um this the the sort of the

think that um this the the sort of the sphere that we inhabit is visible to

sphere that we inhabit is visible to

sphere that we inhabit is visible to everyone except for us you know I think

everyone except for us you know I think

everyone except for us you know I think that that's a thing about um also a

that that's a thing about um also a

that that's a thing about um also a thing about the way we view it you know

thing about the way we view it you know

thing about the way we view it you know that we we prefer not to like objectify

that we we prefer not to like objectify

that we we prefer not to like objectify They Might Be Giants it it's it's

They Might Be Giants it it's it's

They Might Be Giants it it's it's totally

totally

totally uh it's got to be a a world of unlimited

uh it's got to be a a world of unlimited

uh it's got to be a a world of unlimited potential for us it can't have a style

potential for us it can't have a style

potential for us it can't have a style or an idea preset to well it's

or an idea preset to well it's

or an idea preset to well it's interesting well because it's like the

interesting well because it's like the

interesting well because it's like the idea of it being a musical Universe you

idea of it being a musical Universe you

idea of it being a musical Universe you would think like it's a musical Universe

would think like it's a musical Universe

would think like it's a musical Universe starring us but for us it's like a

starring us but for us it's like a

starring us but for us it's like a musical Universe starring otherness it's

musical Universe starring otherness it's

musical Universe starring otherness it's the it's the musical Universe it's the

the it's the musical Universe it's the

the it's the musical Universe it's the and it's kind of I mean in a way you

and it's kind of I mean in a way you

and it's kind of I mean in a way you know our even the way we thought the

know our even the way we thought the

know our even the way we thought the name was kind of interesting is and is

name was kind of interesting is and is

name was kind of interesting is and is so different than the popular

so different than the popular

so different than the popular interpretation of what makes the name

interpretation of what makes the name

interpretation of what makes the name interesting because for us They Might Be

interesting because for us They Might Be

interesting because for us They Might Be Giants was obviously you know just as a

Giants was obviously you know just as a

Giants was obviously you know just as a set of words was this outward-looking

set of words was this outward-looking

set of words was this outward-looking thing you know that was like you know

thing you know that was like you know

thing you know that was like you know some guy sitting in his looking out the

some guy sitting in his looking out the

some guy sitting in his looking out the window looking out at the world and it

window looking out at the world and it

window looking out at the world and it was like about that stuff going on out

was like about that stuff going on out

was like about that stuff going on out there that you might not be able to

there that you might not be able to

there that you might not be able to understand like what what they do in

understand like what what they do in

understand like what what they do in their band is so particular it's such a

their band is so particular it's such a

their band is so particular it's such a particular aesthetic like the thought

particular aesthetic like the thought

particular aesthetic like the thought has occurred to me a lot like what a

has occurred to me a lot like what a

has occurred to me a lot like what a shame that those two guys are in They

shame that those two guys are in They

shame that those two guys are in They Might Be Giants because if they weren't

Might Be Giants because if they weren't

Might Be Giants because if they weren't in they might Giants and they would

in they might Giants and they would

in they might Giants and they would stumble on the record they just love it

stumble on the record they just love it

stumble on the record they just love it you

you

you know like like it's such a like a

know like like it's such a like a

know like like it's such a like a particular aesthetic that like that like

particular aesthetic that like that like

particular aesthetic that like that like if they happen to stumble on it like

if they happen to stumble on it like

if they happen to stumble on it like somebody else doing it they would just

somebody else doing it they would just

somebody else doing it they would just think like oh my goodness you know and

think like oh my goodness you know and

think like oh my goodness you know and like and how sad for them that they're

like and how sad for them that they're

like and how sad for them that they're actually in the band and so for them to

actually in the band and so for them to

actually in the band and so for them to hear that sound they actually have to

hear that sound they actually have to

hear that sound they actually have to make it

make it

make it themselves you know that they can't have

themselves you know that they can't have

themselves you know that they can't have the pleasure of it that the rest of us

the pleasure of it that the rest of us

the pleasure of it that the rest of us get of thinking like oh wow wow they're

get of thinking like oh wow wow they're

get of thinking like oh wow wow they're shooting for that like that's that's

shooting for that like that's that's

shooting for that like that's that's what they're doing

what they're doing

what they're doing like it's sort of like if you think

like it's sort of like if you think

like it's sort of like if you think about it kind of sad for the two of

about it kind of sad for the two of

about it kind of sad for the two of them I met

them I met

them I met the she was holding my left arm but

the she was holding my left arm but

the she was holding my left arm but everyone was acting normal so I tried to

everyone was acting normal so I tried to

everyone was acting normal so I tried to look

look

look nonchalant we both said I really love

nonchalant we both said I really love

nonchalant we both said I really love you the Shriners loan Us

you the Shriners loan Us

you the Shriners loan Us cars we raced up and down the sidewalk

cars we raced up and down the sidewalk

cars we raced up and down the sidewalk 20,000 million

20,000 million

20,000 million times why did

times why did

times why did they over anyone else how should I react

they over anyone else how should I react

they over anyone else how should I react these things happen to other

these things happen to other

these things happen to other people they don't happen at all in fact

people they don't happen at all in fact

people they don't happen at all in fact when you're father in an angel does it

when you're father in an angel does it

when you're father in an angel does it mean you have to throw your body off a

mean you have to throw your body off a

mean you have to throw your body off a building somewhere they're me on a pin

building somewhere they're me on a pin

building somewhere they're me on a pin head calling you an angel calling you

head calling you an angel calling you

head calling you an angel calling you the nicest thing I heard they had a

the nicest thing I heard they had a

the nicest thing I heard they had a space program when they sing you can't

space program when they sing you can't

space program when they sing you can't hear there's no air sometimes I think I

hear there's no air sometimes I think I

hear there's no air sometimes I think I kind of like that and other times I

kind of like that and other times I

kind of like that and other times I think I'm already

there going to ask for my admission I'm

there going to ask for my admission I'm

there going to ask for my admission I'm going to speak to the Man In Charge the

going to speak to the Man In Charge the

going to speak to the Man In Charge the secretary says he's on another line can

secretary says he's on another line can

secretary says he's on another line can I hold for long long time I found out

I hold for long long time I found out

I hold for long long time I found out she's an

she's an

she's an angel I don't think she knows I know I'm

angel I don't think she knows I know I'm

angel I don't think she knows I know I'm worried that something might happen to

worried that something might happen to

worried that something might happen to me if anyone ever finds out

me if anyone ever finds out

me if anyone ever finds out why did they send her over anyone else

why did they send her over anyone else

why did they send her over anyone else how should I react these things happen

how should I react these things happen

how should I react these things happen to

to

to other people they don't happen at

other people they don't happen at

other people they don't happen at all when you're following an angel does

all when you're following an angel does

all when you're following an angel does it mean you have to throw your body off

it mean you have to throw your body off

it mean you have to throw your body off for building somewhere they're making on

for building somewhere they're making on

for building somewhere they're making on a pin head calling you an angel calling

a pin head calling you an angel calling

a pin head calling you an angel calling you the nicest thing I heard they had a

you the nicest thing I heard they had a

you the nicest thing I heard they had a space program when they sing you can't

space program when they sing you can't

space program when they sing you can't hear there's no air sometimes I think I

hear there's no air sometimes I think I

hear there's no air sometimes I think I kind of like that and other times I

kind of like that and other times I

kind of like that and other times I think I'm already there when you're

think I'm already there when you're

think I'm already there when you're father than an angel it me you have to

father than an angel it me you have to

father than an angel it me you have to throw your body off for building

throw your body off for building

throw your body off for building somewhere they made on a pin head

somewhere they made on a pin head

somewhere they made on a pin head calling you an angel calling you the

calling you an angel calling you the

calling you an angel calling you the nice is

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[Music] [Applause]

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[Applause] [Music]

play

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who's that

playing hey

the

guitar is it

guitar is it

guitar is it gy I don't

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gy I don't [Music]

[Music]

[Music] know is it

know is it

know is it [Music]

[Music]

[Music] J I don't

know in the spaceship the silver

know in the spaceship the silver

know in the spaceship the silver spaceship the lion takes control

in the spaceship the silver spaceship

in the spaceship the silver spaceship

in the spaceship the silver spaceship the lion takes

the lion takes

the lion takes [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] control my darling be still my darling

control my darling be still my darling

control my darling be still my darling the Lions on the

the Lions on the

the Lions on the [Music]

[Music]

[Music] th my darling be still

[Music]

[Music]

[Music] myling

[Music]

my darling still

my darling still

my darling still myling

myling

myling [Music]

[Music]

[Music] hey

hey

hey myling still

myling still

myling still [Music]

myling

Ro

Ro

Ro I can hear the

I can hear the

I can hear the face and all I want to is the

face one on the

face one on the

face one on the B put your hand P

B put your hand P

B put your hand P your on the

your on the

[Music]

base

base

base [Music]

[Music]

[Music] keep your hands together in a

keep your hands together in a

keep your hands together in a demonstration of the Arc of negative

demonstration of the Arc of negative

demonstration of the Arc of negative space we're going to subtract the

space we're going to subtract the

space we're going to subtract the drums it'll just be the

drums it'll just be the

drums it'll just be the people and

people and

people and [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

[Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] Danny

Danny

Danny [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] slowly Danny is removing

slowly Danny is removing

slowly Danny is removing [Music]

[Applause]

notes and in the distance we hear a high

notes and in the distance we hear a high

notes and in the distance we hear a high Bongo from Mr Dan

hickey

2

2

2 [Music]

[Music]

[Music] 3 the spaceship the silver spaceship the

3 the spaceship the silver spaceship the

3 the spaceship the silver spaceship the lion waves

lion waves

lion waves goodby in the spaceship the silver

goodby in the spaceship the silver

goodby in the spaceship the silver spaceship the lion w

spaceship the lion w

spaceship the lion w he it don't

stop stop

playing I can

playing I can

playing I can hear the silent chorus

hear the silent chorus

hear the silent chorus [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

now

[Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] stop

stop

stop [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

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