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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:06,360 Look at this, man. 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,240 I'm telling you, lady, send your kids out of the room because I want you to 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:15,420 a look at Bam Bam Bigelow. There's no one who doesn't know Bam Bam Bigelow. 4 00:00:15,420 --> 00:00:20,120 if they don't know his name, if they see the face and the head, they know it. 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,740 His entire head was aflame. So he started doing the flames on his suits 6 00:00:24,740 --> 00:00:27,240 boots, and you'd look out into the audience and there's flame everywhere. 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,820 He was just massive, but so athletic, so quick. 8 00:00:34,060 --> 00:00:36,000 Bammer did it almost like a ballet dancer. 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,780 Bigelow can move for a big man. He knows what he's doing in there. 10 00:00:40,060 --> 00:00:45,040 Look at this 400 -pound man doing flips and cartwheels and going through the 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,040 ring. This is crazy. 12 00:00:46,420 --> 00:00:50,500 In his time in the 80s, nobody was like him. Like, this isn't right. 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,500 It wasn't just Rookie of the Year. It was Phenomenon of the Year. 14 00:00:53,820 --> 00:00:54,820 Bam! Bam! 15 00:00:55,420 --> 00:00:56,420 Bigelow! 16 00:00:56,970 --> 00:01:01,830 Arriving on the scene like a force of nature, Bam Bam Bigelow catapulted to 17 00:01:01,830 --> 00:01:05,890 top of the wrestling world and never looked back. You need a little 18 00:01:06,250 --> 00:01:12,290 When you've been on top in WWE and then you're on tippity -top -top in ECW, you 19 00:01:12,290 --> 00:01:14,890 know, they beat the f*** out of each other. 20 00:01:15,850 --> 00:01:20,870 Wrestling rewarded Bam Bam's talents with money and fame, but those rewards 21 00:01:20,870 --> 00:01:21,890 with a heavy price. 22 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,640 All the wear and tear, you're not going to feel it right away, but it's coming. 23 00:01:27,060 --> 00:01:31,760 And that's when it changed and everything spiraled out of control. 24 00:01:32,140 --> 00:01:37,320 You're selling your body, you're selling your health to have fame, fortune, and 25 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:38,320 everything that goes with it. 26 00:01:38,580 --> 00:01:42,940 People had mouths to feed. So guys did what they had to do. 27 00:01:43,290 --> 00:01:44,229 To earn their living. 28 00:01:44,230 --> 00:01:49,250 He was in pain, and there was a doctor involved that was willing to take that 29 00:01:49,250 --> 00:01:51,970 away, and things went downhill from there. 30 00:01:52,630 --> 00:01:56,970 But Bam Bam's addictions eventually pushed him beyond the point of 31 00:01:57,330 --> 00:01:59,170 destroying everything he loved. 32 00:02:00,770 --> 00:02:06,650 A trusted professional gave him the thing that was his biggest demise. 33 00:02:07,450 --> 00:02:11,790 This doctor could have had a loaded machine gun to our family, and it would 34 00:02:11,790 --> 00:02:12,790 been no different. 35 00:02:13,359 --> 00:02:14,359 No different. 36 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:27,740 So just digging through the vast archives, we have dad's calendar. And 37 00:02:27,740 --> 00:02:32,440 you go to November 15, 1987, he got married. 38 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,360 And then, you know, not even taking a honeymoon, like he had a day off and 39 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,920 he was in Des Moines, Iowa. This is literally the first four days of his 40 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:41,740 with the WWF in 1987. 41 00:02:42,950 --> 00:02:46,290 He definitely wanted kids right away. He was like, I just want to stay home and 42 00:02:46,290 --> 00:02:49,390 raise the kids. You could go to work, go to school, do what you want to do. And 43 00:02:49,390 --> 00:02:53,750 he was more excited about being a dad than he was when he got WrestleMania. 44 00:02:54,730 --> 00:02:57,950 Hi, I'm Dana Breckinridge. I was married to Bam Bam Bigelow. 45 00:02:58,310 --> 00:03:02,470 And when Richie came, I mean, that was the best thing ever. 46 00:03:02,770 --> 00:03:04,750 Because all he ever really wanted was a daughter. 47 00:03:05,070 --> 00:03:06,830 Oh, yeah. He was a giant teddy bear. 48 00:03:07,470 --> 00:03:10,250 What fans saw in the ring was... 49 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,940 Not at all what we saw at home. It was love. It was playing around. 50 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,520 My name is Richie Bigelow, and my father is Bam Bam Bigelow. 51 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,700 He had this giant, giant bed that we would all cuddle up in and just jump 52 00:03:21,700 --> 00:03:23,560 around. Yeah, it was a great time. 53 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,960 When you think of your dad, what's the first memory that comes to mind? 54 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,220 It was the last time I saw him. 55 00:03:30,260 --> 00:03:34,000 We were just driving in the car, and I was two or three years old. But I 56 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,520 remember seeing his head slowly drop to his chest. 57 00:03:39,460 --> 00:03:40,540 and then come back up. 58 00:03:41,260 --> 00:03:46,000 And whenever I think back on how I went about the situation, I'm always so 59 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,520 baffled because I was so young. 60 00:03:47,780 --> 00:03:52,560 But in some way, I understood that we were in some sort of danger. 61 00:03:53,180 --> 00:03:56,960 And as a toddler, I went into panic mode. 62 00:03:57,300 --> 00:04:00,520 I got to go to the bathroom. I got to get out. Daddy, Daddy, pull over. I 63 00:04:00,660 --> 00:04:04,840 So we pulled over on the side of the road, and he looked at me and gave me 64 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,080 big, toothless smile. 65 00:04:06,730 --> 00:04:08,410 He's like, come on, do you have to go? 66 00:04:08,610 --> 00:04:12,270 We sit on the side of the road, and I was like, no, no, but kind of stalling. 67 00:04:12,530 --> 00:04:16,490 And then we just got back on the road, and it started happening again. 68 00:04:16,810 --> 00:04:21,850 This time we were by a diner, and we pulled into that diner, and the next 69 00:04:21,850 --> 00:04:28,850 I know, my car door was opened, and a man just scooped me up and put me 70 00:04:28,850 --> 00:04:30,070 in the back of this gray car. 71 00:04:30,670 --> 00:04:34,710 And from the back seat, I watched them take my dad in handcuffs across. 72 00:04:36,330 --> 00:04:37,330 That was it. 73 00:04:37,490 --> 00:04:42,410 My mom came and picked me up, and she was real gentle about it. And she told 74 00:04:42,430 --> 00:04:45,670 you're probably not going to be seeing Daddy anymore. 75 00:04:46,070 --> 00:04:47,070 He needs help. 76 00:04:48,610 --> 00:04:50,290 And that was the last time I saw him. 77 00:04:50,770 --> 00:04:55,610 He wanted to be a wrestler, but he wanted to be a father more. 78 00:04:56,250 --> 00:04:58,030 And everything was taken away. 79 00:04:58,430 --> 00:05:02,950 So was wrestling what took it away, or was... 80 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,540 Scott and all the other outside influences, what took it away? 81 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:08,340 Like, how did this happen? 82 00:05:11,180 --> 00:05:12,180 Here we go. 83 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:17,700 This is dad, his sophomore year in high school. 84 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:18,960 Oh, my God. 85 00:05:19,780 --> 00:05:24,180 Right? They were Class A North champions, 20 and 6. That's probably the 86 00:05:24,180 --> 00:05:25,180 time you'll see him with hair. 87 00:05:27,479 --> 00:05:30,680 Everything around Asbury Park is Bruce Springsteen. The sound of Bruce 88 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,440 Springsteen is everywhere and in everything that we did when we grew up 89 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:36,439 shore. 90 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,860 Scott was a street kid from Neptune who hung out in the bars of Asbury, you 91 00:05:40,860 --> 00:05:45,560 know, driving the circuit in muscle cars. For our age and our crowd, he was 92 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:46,560 definitely the man. 93 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,400 You know what, he was probably the kindest. 94 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,080 Most genuine person of the group. We were friends and it was just a 95 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:57,380 And then it was a whirlwind. We were street kids. 96 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,140 Nobody thought about where they were going. 97 00:05:59,420 --> 00:06:01,620 I didn't go to college. My friends didn't go to college. 98 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,180 He didn't go to college. 99 00:06:03,420 --> 00:06:07,300 God, the Jersey Shore was like the party place to be. 100 00:06:09,220 --> 00:06:13,780 I was running a club called Club Xanadu in Asbury Park, New Jersey. 101 00:06:14,020 --> 00:06:17,140 The club is actually one block from the Stone Pony. 102 00:06:17,420 --> 00:06:20,520 And in the middle, was this place called Quack Quack. 103 00:06:20,980 --> 00:06:25,820 It's DDP, Diamond Dallas Page, and I know Bam Bam because I'm from the Jersey 104 00:06:25,820 --> 00:06:26,820 Shore. 105 00:06:27,020 --> 00:06:33,900 I roll into the Quack Quack, and I see this mammoth kid. 106 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,420 At some point, you know, we're doing shots, and we just kind of clicked, you 107 00:06:38,420 --> 00:06:44,140 know, but I think he was 17 at the time, but no one cared because he looked like 108 00:06:44,140 --> 00:06:46,600 a full -grown man. He was, you know, 300 -plus pounds. 109 00:06:47,420 --> 00:06:52,900 He could obviously be very menacing, but he also had that fun side to him, and 110 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:55,620 they were calling him the Beast from the East back then. 111 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,360 He was a football player, and he was ranked in the state for wrestling, and 112 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:05,440 was feared on the mat and on the football field. This was the time when 113 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,220 heavyweight in high school wrestling was unlimited. So you're talking about a 114 00:07:09,220 --> 00:07:13,640 320 -pound teenager who can bench 500 pounds walking onto a mat. 115 00:07:14,919 --> 00:07:17,620 I'm Shane Bigelow, and my father's Bam Bam Bigelow. 116 00:07:17,940 --> 00:07:21,380 I heard a story from a high school wrestling coach that my father rolled 117 00:07:21,380 --> 00:07:25,400 ankle real bad and he couldn't wrestle, but his coach was just like, Scotty, I 118 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,160 need you to just go up there and just look me. 119 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,460 So he gets up, he steps on the scale, he turns to the kid and he just gives him 120 00:07:31,460 --> 00:07:33,700 this big flex and just like, I'm coming for you. 121 00:07:33,940 --> 00:07:37,880 Lo and behold, this kid is shitting his pants. So he tells his coach, I'm not 122 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,400 wrestling this guy, he's going to rip my... Head off. All my father had to do, 123 00:07:41,540 --> 00:07:45,340 he hopped out on one leg, got his hand raised, and took the win. 124 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:50,460 Yeah, there was a group of the boys, and they were rough -drinking, tattooed, 125 00:07:50,460 --> 00:07:53,020 like old sailors, but not sailors. They were roofers. 126 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,380 And they were very infamous around town. 127 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,240 Him and his brothers used to jump off of billboards. 128 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,220 onto mattresses on the side of the road when my grandmother would drive past. 129 00:08:04,340 --> 00:08:05,440 She'd be like, oh, look at those kids. 130 00:08:05,660 --> 00:08:09,060 And then she'd realize that it was her three boys jumping onto like five 131 00:08:09,060 --> 00:08:10,520 mattresses piled high. 132 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:14,980 Scott was very quiet. You know, he was the baby of the bunch. They usually only 133 00:08:14,980 --> 00:08:16,680 called him in when they needed the extra muscle. 134 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,520 I heard he got in a fight and he bit some kid's ear off. I was like, what? 135 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,120 But it's part of the legend that went with the beast from the east. 136 00:08:26,730 --> 00:08:31,290 Tough dude, ran with rugged people. He was all that and a bag of chips, man. He 137 00:08:31,290 --> 00:08:36,390 was a bad apple when he wanted to be. I am Taz, former ECW World Heavyweight 138 00:08:36,390 --> 00:08:40,850 Champion and former opponent of Bam Bam Bigelow. 139 00:08:41,130 --> 00:08:46,170 Bam Bam Bigelow all over Taz! I've heard all the stories about Bigelow, and I 140 00:08:46,170 --> 00:08:50,170 believe them all. There was a whole separate legend before the legend Bam 141 00:08:50,170 --> 00:08:52,690 Bigelow ever became the legend. 142 00:08:53,470 --> 00:08:57,650 My name is Scott Colton Bigelow, and Bam Bam Bigelow is my father. 143 00:08:57,910 --> 00:09:03,230 I know that he was a bounty hunter for a short stint. I don't know much about 144 00:09:03,230 --> 00:09:05,050 the backstory of it. 145 00:09:05,630 --> 00:09:10,970 I guess I was about 18, 19 years old. You see an ad for bounty hunter, and 146 00:09:10,970 --> 00:09:15,830 basically just picked up ale jumpers, beat up a lot of people, and then wind 147 00:09:15,830 --> 00:09:18,570 going to Mexico to get a little girl that was kidnapped. 148 00:09:23,310 --> 00:09:28,490 bring back a young girl who was taken out of the country. In the whole mayday 149 00:09:28,490 --> 00:09:32,430 and craziness of the thing, his bounty hunting partner ends up getting shot in 150 00:09:32,430 --> 00:09:37,070 the neck and killed. And that's when my dad spent six months in a Mexican 151 00:09:37,070 --> 00:09:40,600 prison. I heard he ended up in jail, you know, Mexico. 152 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,060 So you just hear little bits and pieces. With Scotty, they could be exaggerated. 153 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:49,320 The story is he befriended the judge because he used to run through the walls 154 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,160 that were made out of, like, the terracotta clay. 155 00:09:51,500 --> 00:09:54,460 He used to just break through the cells of the walls so they couldn't keep him 156 00:09:54,460 --> 00:09:55,399 in. 157 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,040 So the judge one day apparently goes to him and asks him, he goes, I need 158 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,780 security from all these cartel, mob, whatever guys. 159 00:10:03,310 --> 00:10:06,810 So you stand in front of me and you stop these maniacs from, like, lunging at me 160 00:10:06,810 --> 00:10:09,170 and trying to kill me, and I'll knock your sentence down. 161 00:10:09,410 --> 00:10:13,870 So the story is that a judge took pity on my father because my father saved him 162 00:10:13,870 --> 00:10:17,230 from a bunch of guys trying to jump over and stab him, and he ended up letting 163 00:10:17,230 --> 00:10:18,330 them lose early. 164 00:10:18,630 --> 00:10:20,370 He's basically a New Jersey legend. 165 00:10:20,670 --> 00:10:26,350 There's a story that one night, house is on fire, he's driving by, runs in and 166 00:10:26,350 --> 00:10:27,350 saves some kids. 167 00:10:27,530 --> 00:10:31,090 He pulled over, ran in the house and saved the kids. That sounds like a TV 168 00:10:31,090 --> 00:10:35,750 movie. It doesn't sound like something that really happens, you know, and there 169 00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:38,410 were a lot of stories like that just out there floating around. 170 00:10:38,870 --> 00:10:42,530 I'm Shane Douglas, and I had the pleasure of being partners in the triple 171 00:10:42,530 --> 00:10:43,890 with Bam Bam Bigelow. 172 00:10:44,550 --> 00:10:46,570 Who's the world champion? 173 00:10:47,490 --> 00:10:50,390 You know, I'd heard that he got arrested, I guess, in Mexico. 174 00:10:50,810 --> 00:10:54,990 You know, that sounds implausible. Then, like, over years, you'd hear other 175 00:10:54,990 --> 00:10:58,470 people repeating these stories, and it just elevated that legend that was Bam 176 00:10:58,470 --> 00:11:03,280 Bam. You know, get out of the joint. There are no jobs, you know. So I was 177 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,460 bouncing, farting, hanging out with the boys. 178 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:12,720 Here comes Bam Bam in the club. This is like 81 -ish. And it's packed. And 179 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:13,720 my club was nice. 180 00:11:13,860 --> 00:11:16,600 And I see Bam rolling with like three of his biker buddies. 181 00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:21,260 And I come rolling up behind him with my arm around his back. I'm like, yo, Bam, 182 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,040 no trouble in here tonight, right, bro? 183 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,900 Oh, come on, Paige. I wouldn't do that to you. 184 00:11:27,740 --> 00:11:32,640 And at some point we're at the bar and I got the guys a shot and wrestling comes 185 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,800 up. And, you know, I said, you know, I tried that in 79. 186 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,340 He goes, you tried wrestling? 187 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,480 I said, but I had three matches. My third match, I hurt my knee. 188 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,920 And I kind of got swept away by the boos, the broads, and the party. 189 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,000 But talking to him about it, I'm like, dude, you're a natural. He goes, that 190 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,160 would be a pie -in -the -sky dream for me. 191 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,300 I just got to the point where, well, where's my life going to go? You know, I 192 00:11:57,300 --> 00:11:58,420 don't have a college education. 193 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,220 My gift was being athletically inclined. 194 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:05,820 And so I went to a wrestling school, which was Larry Sharp School in Munster 195 00:12:05,820 --> 00:12:10,060 Factory at the time. The rest is history. Larry Sharp was a former 196 00:12:10,060 --> 00:12:14,100 wrestler who opened up the Monster Factory. My name's Dave Meltzer. I'm the 197 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:16,320 editor of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, and I've been covering pro 198 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:17,320 wrestling since 1971. 199 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:23,380 And one day, I guess Bam Bam walked in the door, and Larry saw, like everyone 200 00:12:23,380 --> 00:12:24,700 did, money. 201 00:12:24,940 --> 00:12:27,300 And he became Scott's manager. 202 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:31,120 Set him up on a couch, threw him in the ring, and trained him. 203 00:12:31,790 --> 00:12:35,510 I wind up staying out there at the Monster Factory, living out there, 204 00:12:35,510 --> 00:12:40,510 eating it, living it, sleeping it for a year. I saw footage of him coming out of 205 00:12:40,510 --> 00:12:45,270 the Monster Factory. You could tell, like, his aptitude to learn how to do 206 00:12:45,270 --> 00:12:49,670 and get better at this, his athleticism. It jumped out to me right away. I mean, 207 00:12:49,690 --> 00:12:54,010 seeing a guy like that, you know, a guy that big, you know, do a cartwheel, I 208 00:12:54,010 --> 00:12:55,950 was like, wow, he's super impressive. 209 00:12:56,710 --> 00:12:59,590 Scott, professional wrestling, it's like a double -edged sword. 210 00:12:59,810 --> 00:13:01,210 It gave him life and it... 211 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:02,239 Took his life. 212 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,420 That's the ultimate double -edged, isn't it? 213 00:13:10,940 --> 00:13:16,440 In 1985, Scott Bigelow was on the brink of stardom, having made a clean break 214 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:17,440 from a troubled path. 215 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:22,740 When he went to the Monster Factory with Larry Sharp, Larry really developed the 216 00:13:22,740 --> 00:13:28,060 name Bam Bam with Scott. Bam Bam, the strong baby face. You're like Bam Bam 217 00:13:28,060 --> 00:13:29,100 the Flintstones. 218 00:13:30,010 --> 00:13:33,830 He became Bam Bam Bigelow. Probably the most handsome wrestler on the face of 219 00:13:33,830 --> 00:13:38,770 the earth. The massive head of Bam Bam and that big flame ball on that head, 220 00:13:38,830 --> 00:13:39,629 that tattoo. 221 00:13:39,630 --> 00:13:42,890 Who gets ink on their head? It's got to be crazy. Nevertheless, their whole 222 00:13:42,890 --> 00:13:46,570 head, for those that never got a tattoo, they hurt as much as they think, okay? 223 00:13:46,990 --> 00:13:51,290 This guy got his skull tattooed. Just imagine how much pain and how many hours 224 00:13:51,290 --> 00:13:52,290 that took to do. 225 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:56,010 This was the branding of Bam Bam Bigelow. 226 00:13:56,210 --> 00:14:00,270 See, people love to hate, and as long as they want to hate me, I know I'm doing 227 00:14:00,270 --> 00:14:01,229 my job. 228 00:14:01,230 --> 00:14:06,090 And it kind of just sent that message to the fans and to other wrestlers. That's 229 00:14:06,090 --> 00:14:07,090 a bad dude right there. 230 00:14:07,370 --> 00:14:09,490 Bam Bam, do you have anything to say about all this? I'm hungry. 231 00:14:10,190 --> 00:14:14,330 Despite being a rookie to the wrestling scene, those with an eye for the 232 00:14:14,330 --> 00:14:19,070 business see Bam Bam's incredible potential, especially soon -to -be 233 00:14:19,070 --> 00:14:20,770 pioneer Paul Heyman. 234 00:14:21,250 --> 00:14:25,650 Paul was doing wrestling magazines at the time. This was before he was 235 00:14:25,650 --> 00:14:27,330 running around the business as a manager. 236 00:14:27,770 --> 00:14:30,850 And in his magazines, he was always promoting Bam Bam Bigelow like this 237 00:14:30,850 --> 00:14:33,250 phenomenon. And the guy never even had a match. 238 00:14:33,850 --> 00:14:38,250 Paul worked at Studio 54. He was doing publicity at the time. And he got this, 239 00:14:38,250 --> 00:14:41,470 you know, gig, Bam Bam Bigelow's first match. 240 00:14:41,770 --> 00:14:44,610 And I looked at it, and I was just like, oh, my God. 241 00:14:44,910 --> 00:14:49,550 This guy's like 380 pounds, and he's coming off the top rope. At that point, 242 00:14:49,550 --> 00:14:54,330 know, I'm going like, this guy's going to be like it in wrestling. Like, he's 243 00:14:54,330 --> 00:14:55,330 going to be the biggest thing. 244 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:00,200 I was like 19 when we started dating and I was with his brother and a couple 245 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,420 other friends and we went to a show and he got up there and he wrestled and they 246 00:15:04,420 --> 00:15:06,340 were just in awe of what it all was. 247 00:15:06,700 --> 00:15:10,700 I just was like, oh, you know, he's at work. I didn't really know too much 248 00:15:10,700 --> 00:15:13,480 it until the WWF came knocking. 249 00:15:13,820 --> 00:15:18,660 At some point I'm running another really big club in the 86 -ish and I'm just 250 00:15:18,660 --> 00:15:22,920 looking at channels and all of a sudden I'm seeing wrestling and I'm like, oh my 251 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:23,920 God. 252 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,640 That's Bigelow. Take a good look because we're bringing him from one end of the 253 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:29,720 world to the other. 254 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,780 Next thing I know, he's with Hulk Hogan. He's in the WWF. 255 00:15:33,140 --> 00:15:35,340 And I'm like, oh, my God. 256 00:15:35,980 --> 00:15:38,620 From Asbury Park, New Jersey. 257 00:15:39,140 --> 00:15:40,400 He made it. 258 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,320 Bam, bam, Bigelow. 259 00:15:44,060 --> 00:15:49,640 Not only is Bam Bam headed to the WWF, but he's coming in with the full support 260 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,540 of company owner Vince McMahon. 261 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:57,360 WWF brought him in, and they tried to make him into the next big thing. They 262 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,600 the thing where all the managers were bidding on him to make him extra 263 00:16:01,780 --> 00:16:05,140 I'm here to introduce Bam Bam Bigelow. 264 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:11,800 Vince loved big guys, and now you've got the most agile 380 -pound guy that 265 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,140 anyone has ever seen. 266 00:16:13,380 --> 00:16:16,300 I mean, they brought him in to be Hulk Hogan's tag team partner, to be right 267 00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:19,100 there with Hogan, and he was going to main event there, and he was going to 268 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:20,100 with the top guys. 269 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,520 In the beginning, Hulk Hogan was the one that really took me and said, okay, 270 00:16:24,620 --> 00:16:28,060 this is the business. This is how we do it. This is serious. 271 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:34,260 He signed the WWE contract, and we got married November 15, 1987, and he went 272 00:16:34,260 --> 00:16:36,440 the road November 16, 1987. 273 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,500 How did he propose to you? 274 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,740 We were watching TV, and he was like, 275 00:16:41,940 --> 00:16:44,200 want to get married? 276 00:16:44,940 --> 00:16:45,940 And I was like, okay. 277 00:16:46,980 --> 00:16:49,180 And that was basically it. There was no fanfare. 278 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,620 I saw him ten times a year. I don't even know. 279 00:16:52,900 --> 00:16:55,680 Maybe that's why the marriage lasted so long. Maybe that's why I don't have 280 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:56,680 anything bad to say. 281 00:16:56,980 --> 00:17:01,080 He was on the road and hit the ground running, and it was on from there. 282 00:17:02,020 --> 00:17:06,500 Back in the early days with WWF, you know, we were working 60 days in a row. 283 00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:10,980 main event in front of a pulled -out crowd every night. And on the weekends, 284 00:17:10,980 --> 00:17:13,619 would do two shows. So it's life in the fast lane. 285 00:17:14,619 --> 00:17:17,520 When he was home, you know, he did regular things. 286 00:17:19,290 --> 00:17:24,109 remained very humble scott was who he was around here but you know it was cool 287 00:17:24,109 --> 00:17:28,510 to see him on tv he was in the first nintendo game like i said he was just 288 00:17:28,510 --> 00:17:33,690 breaking into the business and he worked and he provided he knew to take 289 00:17:33,690 --> 00:17:37,770 advantage of that situation and take advantage of everything that was given 290 00:17:37,770 --> 00:17:39,010 him what a monster 291 00:17:40,060 --> 00:17:42,660 Everybody that gets a pair of boots and tights wants to be the world champion, 292 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,200 right? And they think they're ready for it yesterday. 293 00:17:44,740 --> 00:17:50,440 For me, it was 11 years before I saw a world title. So when I did get that 294 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,720 I understood the responsibility that went with it. So I would think that Bam 295 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:59,040 being thrown that quickly into main events with, you know, Hulk Hogan or one 296 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,140 these massive names, it would have been intimidating. He never had to crawl his 297 00:18:03,140 --> 00:18:04,039 way up. 298 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,860 There's always going to be jealousy, especially when you've been in the 299 00:18:06,860 --> 00:18:11,240 15 years and he's been in the business for two or one and he's on the top of 300 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:16,010 card. He was young and these guys were big and it was Georgie Animal Steel and 301 00:18:16,010 --> 00:18:20,170 King Kong Bundy and it was just people that he always saw on TV and all of a 302 00:18:20,170 --> 00:18:23,710 sudden he's standing in the middle of the ring in the Survivor Series and the 303 00:18:23,710 --> 00:18:26,210 older guys were like, you know what, you need to step in line. 304 00:18:26,490 --> 00:18:30,170 I remember there was an Andre match. 305 00:18:30,410 --> 00:18:33,590 Of course, Andre the Giant was the biggest man you'll ever see. 306 00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:39,470 Andre got him in the ring up against the ropes and wrapped the rope around his 307 00:18:39,470 --> 00:18:44,490 neck. Scott was like, he's... I feel like he's going to kill me. Andre tried 308 00:18:44,490 --> 00:18:49,870 kill me in Madison Square Garden. He picked me up and he tried choking me 309 00:18:49,950 --> 00:18:53,290 And I was going, oh, God, don't go out, don't go out. Madison Square Garden made 310 00:18:53,290 --> 00:18:55,690 a man sold out. He can't pass out. 311 00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:10,570 Andre thought I was just a kid, thought I was getting too cocky or whatever. 312 00:19:10,770 --> 00:19:12,390 You know, he was laying him in. 313 00:19:13,090 --> 00:19:15,950 So, you know, Andre, he was on top of him and he was pounding on him. 314 00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:17,650 I mean, hard. 315 00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:20,110 It was a bad night at the office for Bam Bam Bigelow. 316 00:19:20,490 --> 00:19:24,430 And Andre said something to him like, young boy, you know, you're a little 317 00:19:24,430 --> 00:19:27,670 for us. Like, this is how it works. Like, you're going to learn. 318 00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:33,150 And Andre really just stuck it to him. But, you know, they were just letting 319 00:19:33,150 --> 00:19:35,290 know he had to pay his dues. He was green. 320 00:19:35,870 --> 00:19:38,310 And you need to wait your turn, because it's not right now. 321 00:19:40,050 --> 00:19:44,650 After only a year in the big leagues, Bam Bam Bigelow's match with Andre the 322 00:19:44,650 --> 00:19:47,590 Giant marks his exit from the WWF. 323 00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:53,510 He'd gotten such a big push, but at a certain point, they did sour on him. 324 00:19:53,710 --> 00:19:56,050 Bam Bam Bigelow paid the price here. 325 00:19:56,250 --> 00:19:59,330 And it may have been ego -wise, the other guys not liking him. And my father 326 00:19:59,330 --> 00:20:03,870 just knowing when things getting a little too thick and it's not his time, 327 00:20:03,870 --> 00:20:04,870 moved on. 328 00:20:04,930 --> 00:20:10,090 Now on his own, Bam Bam travels the country working for various U .S. 329 00:20:10,090 --> 00:20:13,730 before receiving a lucrative offer to wrestle in Japan. 330 00:20:14,910 --> 00:20:19,050 I don't even know what year these are. I'm judging by the suit, probably early 331 00:20:19,050 --> 00:20:22,450 90s. This is one of his original Japanese suits. 332 00:20:22,750 --> 00:20:25,610 There was more money for him to be had overseas. 333 00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:28,970 He offered me a lot of money to go work in Japan. 334 00:20:29,310 --> 00:20:33,130 I was working with Antonio Inoki. There was a lot of talent there. 335 00:20:33,550 --> 00:20:36,970 When he went to Japan, he was on for two weeks and then home for two weeks. So 336 00:20:36,970 --> 00:20:39,110 he had longer stretches of time home. 337 00:20:39,870 --> 00:20:41,930 What sparked his return to WWF? 338 00:20:42,210 --> 00:20:46,250 The contract. And it was time for him to come back to the States. I guess in his 339 00:20:46,250 --> 00:20:50,790 meeting with Vince, you know, they worked a deal that he felt comfortable 340 00:20:50,790 --> 00:20:52,790 was a little bit more mature and he was ready to come back. 341 00:20:53,690 --> 00:20:54,690 All right, man. 342 00:20:55,690 --> 00:20:56,770 So what do you got here? 343 00:20:57,470 --> 00:20:58,870 So this is his... 344 00:20:59,820 --> 00:21:05,940 Coming out to the ring attire when he was in his second run in the WWF, he 345 00:21:05,940 --> 00:21:10,640 have pyrotechnics underneath here, and they would shoot fireworks out. 346 00:21:13,180 --> 00:21:17,820 I don't fill it out as much as he did. 347 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,520 He said he used to look like a tulip in it. 348 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,820 In 1992, as the WWF struggles with declining popularity, 349 00:21:29,690 --> 00:21:32,710 Vince McMahon brings Bam Bam back to the roster. 350 00:21:33,330 --> 00:21:38,490 Once again proving to be a top -level star, Bam Bam gets thrust into the main 351 00:21:38,490 --> 00:21:39,890 event of WrestleMania 11. 352 00:21:40,150 --> 00:21:41,550 WrestleMania 11. 353 00:21:41,950 --> 00:21:46,190 When McMahon books him against one of the NFL's most celebrated players. 354 00:21:47,690 --> 00:21:48,690 Lawrence Taylor. 355 00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:54,390 Probably the most media frenzy time of my father's career. 356 00:21:54,850 --> 00:21:56,690 That was Scott's idol, like... 357 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,180 LT and the Giants. Like, now I'm going to wrestle him. You know, I'm going to 358 00:22:00,180 --> 00:22:01,180 wrestle with him. 359 00:22:01,340 --> 00:22:08,280 That build -up and that whole pomp and circumstance of being the main 360 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,280 event in WrestleMania. 361 00:22:09,660 --> 00:22:11,700 Lawrence Taylor, just me and you! 362 00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:14,420 This was a match not for wrestling fans. 363 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,720 The media hype around this match has been absolutely huge. 364 00:22:18,060 --> 00:22:21,620 This was a match for the general public. And the idea was, is by being in the 365 00:22:21,620 --> 00:22:23,620 match, all the exposure... 366 00:22:24,140 --> 00:22:28,080 from the football press and the mainstream press, would then make Bam 367 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:34,040 bigger, so then he could be the big star that they wanted him to be. That means 368 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:40,960 I'm here. I did it. I am the 1%. Every little boy wants to 369 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,580 be a WWE wrestler. 370 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,640 Almost every little boy. And he was main event. It was a paycheck bigger than a 371 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,900 lot of people make in one year. 372 00:22:50,330 --> 00:22:51,510 I see a lot of videos online. 373 00:22:51,770 --> 00:22:53,370 People, oh, it's the worst WrestleMania. 374 00:22:54,270 --> 00:22:55,270 You know what? 375 00:22:55,390 --> 00:23:00,370 There's not another person that could have carried Lawrence Taylor to do that 376 00:23:00,370 --> 00:23:02,370 show. Business was down. 377 00:23:02,610 --> 00:23:06,970 Vince needed to hit a home run. And they picked me because I'm the only guy that 378 00:23:06,970 --> 00:23:09,770 could take chicken shit and turn it into chicken sour. 379 00:23:10,130 --> 00:23:13,650 You know, Vince trusted my father enough to be the person to pull that off. 380 00:23:14,170 --> 00:23:19,410 Bam Bam soon learns that being the company's go -to big man comes with 381 00:23:19,410 --> 00:23:20,410 sacrifice. 382 00:23:20,730 --> 00:23:25,570 The only problem working for Vince McMahon is that if you get hurt, there's 383 00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:29,650 sympathy there. He wants you to work. It's really hard to do because your body 384 00:23:29,650 --> 00:23:31,070 can't take that type of punishment. 385 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,650 I definitely took a toll on his body. 386 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,500 I mean, every time he sits in a chair and stands up, he just squatted 400 387 00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:44,280 pounds. A lot of wear and tear on your knees, your back, your neck, your 388 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,600 shoulders. I mean, the thing that made him so great was. 389 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,460 An agile big guy, the problem with the agile big guys is that by doing that 390 00:23:52,460 --> 00:23:56,540 stuff, a smaller guy can take that stuff longer, and a big guy starts wearing 391 00:23:56,540 --> 00:23:57,540 down a lot. 392 00:23:57,940 --> 00:24:03,320 He definitely had some knee surgeries and elbow surgery or shoulder surgery. 393 00:24:03,540 --> 00:24:06,260 His body was starting to take a little bit of a licking. 394 00:24:07,820 --> 00:24:11,660 That's one thing I didn't do. I didn't worry, and I didn't stress out. It was 395 00:24:11,660 --> 00:24:16,660 his job, and he was an entertainer, and he was an athlete, and I was too young 396 00:24:16,660 --> 00:24:21,580 to think about... the lifelong lasting effects of wrestling and what it would 397 00:24:21,580 --> 00:24:23,220 have on his body and his mind. 398 00:24:23,580 --> 00:24:28,360 But I do know that he knew if he was out and he was injured too long, somebody 399 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:30,740 was going to step up and replace him. So that was a no -no. 400 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,740 I'm not letting an opportunity walk by me. That heavyweight championship is 401 00:24:35,740 --> 00:24:36,740 going to be mine. 402 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,480 He's got multiple injuries at this point. How is he dealing with that? 403 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,640 Probably pain pills like everybody else. But I do remember, you know, that was 404 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,140 so commonplace among wrestlers then. 405 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:50,460 It was such a part of the scene that it wasn't like a big deal. And it was like, 406 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:51,580 hey, do you got any Vikes? 407 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,640 So you just gave them to your boy, you know, because he needed them right 408 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:01,380 When you see this symbol, you can be assured of drug -free entertainment you 409 00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:02,380 be proud of. 410 00:25:02,420 --> 00:25:07,380 Been tested for marijuana and performance -enhancing drugs, but you've 411 00:25:07,380 --> 00:25:08,380 prescription. 412 00:25:08,540 --> 00:25:09,540 You're good. 413 00:25:09,740 --> 00:25:12,920 Through that 80s and then into the 90s, there were two things that coincided. 414 00:25:12,980 --> 00:25:16,300 This is the wrestling industry. Running right next to that is the pharmaceutical 415 00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:19,900 industry. And the pharmaceutical industry is now coming up with better, 416 00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:24,460 accessible opiates, OxyContin, which I did have a problem with. 417 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:30,400 I've seen it so much in my career. So many of my peers during that time just 418 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,300 left us way too early because of addiction, especially pain pills. 419 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,740 He was diabetic, and he had an endocrinologist. 420 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:40,360 Not a pain management doctor. 421 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:46,800 And he would call and, I need PERC, I need VITE, I need Oxy. They need 422 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:47,800 to keep me going. 423 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,460 If you were at the pool party and a doc came by, well, I happen to have a 424 00:25:52,460 --> 00:25:58,160 refillable script of Oxycontin in return for autographs or, you know, tickets to 425 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,460 local shows here and there. 426 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,940 It's a pretty powerful thing to have over someone. 427 00:26:02,460 --> 00:26:07,240 They might as well have just put heroin in a bottle and called it Oxycontin. 428 00:26:07,550 --> 00:26:12,210 I can guarantee you before that prescription was done, he was probably 429 00:26:19,770 --> 00:26:26,310 In 1995, after a three -year run with the WWF, Bam Bam Bigelow leaves the 430 00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:32,110 company to sign with the notorious hardcore wrestling promotion ECW, run by 431 00:26:32,110 --> 00:26:33,730 old friend, Paul Heyman. 432 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,700 I mean, the one reason he went to ECW was because he liked how it was local. 433 00:26:38,940 --> 00:26:42,120 Obviously, if he was in Asbury, the whole family would get together and we'd 434 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:44,620 go. And he knew he had a commodity. 435 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,000 You know, he didn't take his character off. It was tattooed on his head. So 436 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,540 wherever he went, Bam Bam Bigelow was going. 437 00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:54,340 There is only one Bam Bam Bigelow. 438 00:26:54,780 --> 00:26:59,740 I think it was a little too hardcore for me being so young. 439 00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:07,320 All fans were riding with us. That was the whole gimmick. We were renegades? 440 00:27:07,340 --> 00:27:09,860 Well, damn it. We the fans, we're renegades too. 441 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,680 From fit to finish, those shows were chaos. 442 00:27:15,140 --> 00:27:17,800 I remember this crowd just like a mosh pit. 443 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:23,340 And this dude who is drunk as a skunk comes barreling and just absolutely face 444 00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:27,680 punches me, trucks me right into the ground. I'm like 10, 11 years old. I've 445 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,300 never been hit by a grown man. 446 00:27:29,580 --> 00:27:34,010 And that type of like... where you're like, you can't catch your breath. So I 447 00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:38,590 remember going backstage, and I don't even think I told my father anything. He 448 00:27:38,590 --> 00:27:40,510 just like saw it, and he's like, what happened? 449 00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:45,350 And I'm like, I don't know. This guy punched me, like went through the crowd. 450 00:27:45,390 --> 00:27:46,390 He's like, fine. 451 00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:50,370 The gentleman who did that was escorted to the back for a conversation. 452 00:27:51,570 --> 00:27:56,610 I witnessed this quasi -conversation. I'll never forget it. And all you hear 453 00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:57,770 so you want to hit kids? 454 00:27:58,010 --> 00:28:01,930 And you know that like, This dude is getting the life smacked out of him. 455 00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:05,550 I don't know how else to put it. It was very bad. 456 00:28:06,670 --> 00:28:08,050 I'm sure everybody's okay now. 457 00:28:08,790 --> 00:28:14,590 But the fans in turn are fueled by ECW's over -the -top, ultraviolet brand of 458 00:28:14,590 --> 00:28:15,590 extreme wrestling. 459 00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:22,550 In ECW, we were a bunch of wrestlers that most of the bigger promotions... 460 00:28:23,130 --> 00:28:27,250 They didn't want us, kind of, and we were like the land of misfit toys and 461 00:28:27,250 --> 00:28:31,490 incorporated a lot of new stuff into pro wrestling in a revolutionary way. 462 00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:35,730 I mean, you had to be tough to be in our company, and Bigelow was a very tough 463 00:28:35,730 --> 00:28:40,150 guy, a legitimate guy, and he really started to come into his own amongst 464 00:28:40,150 --> 00:28:41,150 we were doing. 465 00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:46,610 The stuff that these guys were doing, jumping off the rafters, through tables, 466 00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:51,570 getting thrown into the sand, it's just as hardcore as hardcore can get. 467 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,700 We weren't just trying to hurt each other. We were professionals. What 468 00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:57,940 in that ring is built on trust. 469 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,900 So the infamous Taz and Bigelow go through the ring in Asbury Park. 470 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,200 So I get this phone call from Paul Heyman, and he says, you and Bigelow, 471 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,820 going to beat you for the belt, and he's going to put you through the ring to do 472 00:29:13,820 --> 00:29:14,960 it. He goes, what do you think? 473 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,560 And the first thing I thought is, I'm going to die. 474 00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:21,300 So the way a ring is constructed, it's a steel frame. 475 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,340 And then there's these thick wood boards. 476 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,260 And then there's kind of like a cushion. It's not as big as a mat. 477 00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:29,700 And then a canvas. 478 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,360 So these wood boards were cut first. 479 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,660 So then the boards would just be moved out of the way. Then open the trap door. 480 00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:38,360 And Bam Bam was concerned. 481 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,060 What about Taz's head? 482 00:29:40,260 --> 00:29:43,380 Like his head's going to hit the frame of this thing. How are we going to clear 483 00:29:43,380 --> 00:29:44,199 this hole? 484 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,220 I almost feel dirty explaining this on air. 485 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,380 I'm so old school. Like it's like unbelievable. 486 00:29:51,580 --> 00:29:54,940 Basically, we fought, fought, fought. We were outside the ring for quite some 487 00:29:54,940 --> 00:30:00,380 time fighting until we get the signal that this door is open. 488 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:09,800 So if you watch closely, when I have the choke on, and I'm really 489 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,860 pulling back this curtain all the way here, right? So Bam Bam, he's tapping 490 00:30:13,860 --> 00:30:16,440 first, and then he puts his hand on the top rope. 491 00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:19,980 Under his hand is a little piece of white tape. 492 00:30:20,430 --> 00:30:24,830 That white tape was the measurement to clear my head. 493 00:30:26,370 --> 00:30:31,290 And we hit that crash mat hard as hell. 494 00:30:33,330 --> 00:30:37,110 The ring engulfs us, and we heard the people. 495 00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:44,670 My eyes lit up. I was so happy. And the first thing he says to me, are you okay? 496 00:30:45,270 --> 00:30:46,470 That's Bam Bam Bigelow. 497 00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:48,150 And he goes, we... 498 00:30:48,810 --> 00:30:49,489 Did it. 499 00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:52,610 And we were laughing because the place was rumbling. 500 00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:56,410 He waited for the people to come down a teeny bit. And then once they saw him 501 00:30:56,410 --> 00:30:59,850 come out first, we knew the pop would be loud. But I don't know if we knew it 502 00:30:59,850 --> 00:31:02,910 was going to be that loud. I mean, it was just, I'll never forget it as long 503 00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:03,910 I live. 504 00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:05,810 I got goosebumps. 505 00:31:07,930 --> 00:31:10,850 I mean, so many things that could have gone wrong. You could break your back. 506 00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:11,970 You could break your neck. 507 00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:14,730 But Scotty never, ever said no to anything. 508 00:31:15,310 --> 00:31:17,810 It's a small miracle that Bigelow is moving. 509 00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:20,510 ACW was definitely extreme. 510 00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:22,470 I'm just surprised nobody died. 511 00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:24,730 I am really surprised nobody died. 512 00:31:25,010 --> 00:31:29,110 You would see him come out. He'd have, you know, giant gashes on his head, and 513 00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:32,090 he would just put some superglue on it, close it up, and then we would go have a 514 00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:35,170 cheesesteak. I can't tell you how many times he's been sewed up in our living 515 00:31:35,170 --> 00:31:37,970 room. Doctors just would come over and just sew him up in the middle of the 516 00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:39,030 night while he was half asleep. 517 00:31:39,370 --> 00:31:43,010 So the injuries were the beginning of the end. 518 00:31:43,390 --> 00:31:44,390 He had... 519 00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:50,440 Stenosis in the entirety of his spine. He had crushed discs. He had sections 520 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,740 fused of his back at that time. You could run your finger down his spine and 521 00:31:54,740 --> 00:31:59,700 could feel almost like braille. Pills just allowed him to move. 522 00:31:59,980 --> 00:32:04,420 If you didn't go out and you didn't put on a show, you weren't getting paid. 523 00:32:04,660 --> 00:32:11,380 So I understand the aspect of having to take something to basically push you 524 00:32:11,380 --> 00:32:12,380 through that. 525 00:32:12,510 --> 00:32:16,870 I did see Bigelow struggling a little bit physically, but he hit it well. 526 00:32:17,170 --> 00:32:21,030 He wouldn't tell you if you had to go for a match, hey, dude, I'm hurting 527 00:32:21,090 --> 00:32:26,130 my shoulder hurts, my neck hurts, my back hurts. He was just, let's go, let's 528 00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:27,130 it, whatever it was. 529 00:32:29,290 --> 00:32:34,310 The pain pills Bam Bam Bigelow consumes allow him to continue performing at the 530 00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:38,330 highest level, but they also take a toll on his life away from the ring. 531 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,760 He was never, never, never aggressive. And he was always very respectful. And 532 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,180 became angry. He would at times be very coherent and at times be very 533 00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:51,980 incoherent. And he would be like, you are just crazy and you're making things 534 00:32:51,980 --> 00:32:56,240 up. I'm under a doctor's care and this is what I have to do to be in the 535 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,820 business. It was a doctor, an MD, who got paid a lot of money to treat him for 536 00:33:01,820 --> 00:33:05,900 one disease and gave him a whole other one. 537 00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:11,580 The pill bottles from that doctor, I've never seen a pill bottle that size in my 538 00:33:11,580 --> 00:33:12,459 life before. 539 00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:14,380 100 pills, 300 pills. 540 00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:19,020 This doctor was a fan, and he would have done anything that Scott wanted, 541 00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:21,720 regardless of his license, and he did. 542 00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:26,880 Scott was in denial, and so was the doctor, because I would call him and 543 00:33:26,980 --> 00:33:30,520 stop writing these prescriptions, you're destroying our lives, you're ruining 544 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:31,520 our family. 545 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,420 And that doctor's response, he would call my father and say that the warden's 546 00:33:35,420 --> 00:33:41,800 calling me, telling me not to come over, undermining my mother to my father in 547 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,680 an already weakened state. 548 00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:45,820 Nobody's paying attention to these doctors. 549 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,220 You're a drug dealer because he was not a pain doctor. 550 00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:51,700 It's a tragedy. 551 00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:55,280 Scott sold his soul for OxyContin. 552 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,880 And he would have stepped over us in the street to get them. 553 00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:10,380 Bam Bam Bigelow's addiction continues to get worse, fueled by an endless supply 554 00:34:10,380 --> 00:34:12,320 of OxyContin from his doctor. 555 00:34:13,179 --> 00:34:15,820 OxyContin is one of America's new wonder drugs. 556 00:34:16,060 --> 00:34:19,860 Since the drug came on the market, the number of annual prescriptions has risen 557 00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:21,260 to nearly 6 million. 558 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,380 Contributing to the problem are pill mills, where doctors write prescriptions 559 00:34:25,380 --> 00:34:26,760 for non -medical reasons. 560 00:34:27,139 --> 00:34:29,320 He wasn't going to buy drugs off the street. 561 00:34:29,620 --> 00:34:32,520 He was home taking OxyContin. 562 00:34:32,969 --> 00:34:37,389 And then I got pregnant with Richie and then the promises, you know, this is 563 00:34:37,389 --> 00:34:40,070 going to be different. We're going to get through this. 564 00:34:41,010 --> 00:34:43,850 I think he tried to pull himself together because he said he always 565 00:34:43,850 --> 00:34:47,969 daughter his whole life. It was like beyond anything to have this daughter. 566 00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:51,310 And when she was little, he used to put her to bed every single night and he 567 00:34:51,310 --> 00:34:54,330 would get a pillow and he would lay on the floor next to her and he would sing 568 00:34:54,330 --> 00:34:58,370 her songs and hold her hands. And he was in her room on her floor every night. 569 00:34:59,390 --> 00:35:04,180 Wednesdays. Every Wednesday, my dad would pick me up from, preschool, big 570 00:35:04,180 --> 00:35:09,880 truck, eat all the Doritos you can imagine, paint pictures, just normal 571 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,880 -daughter relationship. 572 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,000 When he was around, he was focused on being with us and spending time with us. 573 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,360 What are you doing, boy? 574 00:35:18,060 --> 00:35:23,280 His body was a little hindered and he was starting to feel the pain, but, you 575 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,000 know, that didn't stop us from... 576 00:35:25,340 --> 00:35:28,900 going to every opening day for fishing, every opening day for hunting. 577 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:34,080 He got to be a dad without being on the road 300 -plus days a year. Those are 578 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,080 the fondest memories. 579 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:41,520 There's no pension in professional wrestling, so he needed to make as much 580 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,100 as he could with the body that he had because he knew it was deteriorating. He 581 00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:49,500 even says that he's the highest -paid loser in the world because he'll take a 582 00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:50,980 loss as long as that loss pays. 583 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:55,560 I'm the guy who helped bring Bam Bam in to WCW. 584 00:35:55,780 --> 00:36:01,120 When he heard that I was wrestling, somehow he got my number. He's like, 585 00:36:01,260 --> 00:36:02,260 you're doing it. 586 00:36:02,380 --> 00:36:07,380 Like, we grew up maybe seven miles from each other. These two Jersey Shore boys. 587 00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:09,080 But now we're tag team champions. 588 00:36:09,780 --> 00:36:13,740 I never felt like he was under the influence in the ring. But eventually, 589 00:36:13,740 --> 00:36:17,260 know, people start to go back to their old habits. And that's why so many guys 590 00:36:17,260 --> 00:36:18,260 died. 591 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,380 Overconsumption of pills. 592 00:36:21,020 --> 00:36:27,200 Because when you're taking five at a time, because three stopped working, you 593 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,640 can't remember if you took them or not. So you take five more, you know, and 594 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,560 before you know it, you're that guy. 595 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,660 He went on the road, and he would not show up to shows or tapings. 596 00:36:39,860 --> 00:36:43,180 He was in Arizona, and friends of ours were there. 597 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,100 And he didn't make it to the show, and they called home, and I was like, what 598 00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:48,140 you mean? He's there. 599 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,300 It got to the point where he was a liability, and that's what they said. 600 00:36:53,740 --> 00:36:56,880 And they paid him the rest of his contract to stay home because he could 601 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,880 function. 602 00:36:58,820 --> 00:37:00,060 I saw a man broken. 603 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:06,220 He's away from his family, and he's not in the best physical shape because he's 604 00:37:06,220 --> 00:37:10,720 in constant pain, you know, having to take a pill just to get up, and not just 605 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:14,980 pill, multiple pills. But the tradeoff of that is it completely dulls your 606 00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:16,120 senses. It completely... 607 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,960 Just destroys your sense of person. 608 00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:21,060 How many pills do you think he was taking a day? 609 00:37:21,260 --> 00:37:23,400 15, 20 Oxycons, easily. 610 00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:24,499 A day? 611 00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:26,020 Yeah. It was dangerous. 612 00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:30,480 And a situation happened with the youngest where it became very dangerous. 613 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:36,320 I had wrote a paper about it when I was in 8th grade. And I went back and read 614 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,080 it last night, understanding that what was happening is I'm writing about my 615 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,000 father nodding out, driving. 616 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,140 And when I wrote that in 8th grade, I had no idea that's what was... 617 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,640 going on. And I remember the officers were asking me all these questions. 618 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,540 I mean, for a three -year -old, they're asking me my address, my phone number, 619 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,220 my mom's phone number, like all this information. And I'm just like, I don't 620 00:37:57,220 --> 00:37:58,220 know. Where's my dad? 621 00:37:59,060 --> 00:38:03,180 But when I went back last night and read it, really knowing what was going on, 622 00:38:03,220 --> 00:38:06,440 what was in his system, it just hits 10 times harder. 623 00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:13,020 As Bam Bam Bigelow's addiction sends him crashing to rock bottom, he's charged 624 00:38:13,020 --> 00:38:15,220 with endangering the welfare of his daughter. 625 00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:19,230 He was given an ultimatum. I'm like, you've either got to go get help or you 626 00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:20,169 have to go. 627 00:38:20,170 --> 00:38:21,290 He wouldn't get help. 628 00:38:21,970 --> 00:38:26,570 And he went. He didn't see that he had a problem the way that he did, the way 629 00:38:26,570 --> 00:38:27,770 that addicts do. 630 00:38:28,170 --> 00:38:30,090 You know, dad's not going to be home anymore. 631 00:38:30,430 --> 00:38:31,450 They're getting a divorce. 632 00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:34,870 That's when he picked up and basically went to Florida. 633 00:38:35,420 --> 00:38:36,920 He was married to a drug. 634 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,420 So to watch a man who would choose that over his children, when I knew that that 635 00:38:41,420 --> 00:38:43,640 was the most important thing, was just the worst thing ever. 636 00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:48,700 I got to talk to him on the phone, but it would be like spans of where it would 637 00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:51,040 be really quiet because I could hear him crying. 638 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,360 He was struggling to form the words, hi. 639 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,400 I went down to Tampa, spring break, my senior year. 640 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,300 I wanted to go down there to see my friends, but I really just wanted to go 641 00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:05,300 there to find my dad. 642 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:12,400 And his girlfriend answered the phone, said he wasn't 643 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,720 available at the point in time. 644 00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:19,300 And then I got a phone call when I landed back in New Jersey from my father 645 00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:24,240 apologizing. And, you know, I kind of aired him out a little bit. I told him 646 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:25,240 I felt. 647 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,740 And then he died three weeks later. 648 00:39:33,260 --> 00:39:38,020 I was in school teaching, and a phone call got patched to my classroom, and it 649 00:39:38,020 --> 00:39:41,520 was his brother, Todd, and Todd said, he's gone. 650 00:39:42,980 --> 00:39:45,820 I was like, what do you mean? He's like, he's gone, and he was crying 651 00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:50,000 hysterically, and I just hung up the phone and ran out of the building, and 652 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,600 Shane was in college. 653 00:39:51,940 --> 00:39:53,060 Yeah, I got that call. 654 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:54,720 I'll never forget. 655 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,960 I'm walking back through the quad. 656 00:39:57,340 --> 00:40:01,780 There's kids going to class, and I got a phone call from my father's childhood 657 00:40:01,780 --> 00:40:03,930 friend. Your father died last night. 658 00:40:05,150 --> 00:40:09,670 And it's just like everybody around you is moving fast and you're just still. 659 00:40:10,990 --> 00:40:12,510 I just remember being numb. 660 00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:14,870 It rocked me. 661 00:40:16,210 --> 00:40:23,150 What I heard at that time, he was, you know, going through 662 00:40:23,150 --> 00:40:24,150 a tough time. 663 00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:27,870 I thought of his family instantly because I know how much he loved his 664 00:40:27,870 --> 00:40:30,270 and his wife. You know, I just felt for him. 665 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:31,920 He died of an overdose. 666 00:40:33,140 --> 00:40:37,060 Accidental overdose, but the word accidental and overdose should just not 667 00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:37,899 the same sentence. 668 00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:40,700 How do you accidentally, oops, took one too many? 669 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,520 Took one too many for a long time. 670 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,900 On January 19th, 2007. 671 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,140 At just 45 years of age, Bam Bam Bigelow dies by what authorities call an 672 00:40:58,140 --> 00:41:02,320 accidental overdose from a cocktail of illicit and prescription drugs. 673 00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:05,460 I didn't grieve. There was none for me. 674 00:41:05,860 --> 00:41:09,860 Because I was scrambling. I had kids. They couldn't see me break down. They 675 00:41:09,860 --> 00:41:13,740 couldn't see me weak. And that's all I became, was a provider. 676 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,800 I didn't have time to coddle and nurture. 677 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,980 That's the hardest part on me now. 678 00:41:19,580 --> 00:41:24,900 Towards the end, it was very difficult with my mother. Just because that was my 679 00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:25,900 dad, that was my hero. 680 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,420 My mom had to make a really tough decision. 681 00:41:28,940 --> 00:41:33,380 You know, for a while I never understood why we couldn't just go see dad. 682 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,280 And when you don't understand, you just think it's selfish. 683 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:44,260 But then when you do, you become appreciative that you weren't exposed to 684 00:41:44,260 --> 00:41:46,800 something that would have been just so heartbreaking. 685 00:41:47,460 --> 00:41:54,000 As a father, I think it just digs into you that when you think if there was no 686 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,180 compunction for Bamber to reach out for some kind of help, that he must have 687 00:41:58,180 --> 00:41:59,740 thought that he had it under control. 688 00:41:59,940 --> 00:42:03,900 He must have figured this is not really a problem because of how much he talked 689 00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:04,859 about his kids. 690 00:42:04,860 --> 00:42:11,700 It's been just honoring the legacy of Bam Bam. I never really got to 691 00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:13,380 stop and acknowledge my own pain. 692 00:42:14,180 --> 00:42:17,600 You always think about if you had one last chance. 693 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,080 what you would say. 694 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,260 I think there's more ask, which is why. 695 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,980 His kids lost their dad at a young age. It's sad, you know, because Bigelow, 696 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,100 like so many of us wrestlers during that time, was on the road a lot. You know, 697 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,820 you're not around. You're making a living for your family. 698 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,580 If God was here, what would you say to him? 699 00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:38,900 Your mother. 700 00:42:39,780 --> 00:42:43,820 But through years of therapy, I know you had no control. 701 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,760 It's not your fault. I don't blame you. 702 00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:51,880 You know, nobody wakes up in the morning and says, I'm going to be a drug addict 703 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,340 today. You wake up every morning and you're like, today's going to be a 704 00:42:55,780 --> 00:42:57,360 But I would call him a mother****** first. 705 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,320 Just because he would expect that. 706 00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:03,740 I can't fault him for what happened. 707 00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:07,000 You had to keep going. That's how you put the bread on the table. 708 00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:10,420 I signed all the rights over to the kids, so they got all the royalty 709 00:43:10,780 --> 00:43:13,760 So he and his death still supported them. 710 00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,740 As far as being a big man, who's better than Bam Bam? 711 00:43:17,060 --> 00:43:18,500 Nobody. There's nobody. 712 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,740 The best big man in the business. The guy that was doing cartwheels, moonsaws, 713 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,960 job kicks, and things that they never, ever seen another big man do before. 714 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,720 That's what I want to be remembered as. When I think of pro wrestling, I think 715 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,700 of power. I think of size. I think of my father. 716 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:44,100 He was 717 00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:46,040 a great person in how he lived. 718 00:43:46,620 --> 00:43:50,180 And all the wonderful things that he did for people and the great father that he 719 00:43:50,180 --> 00:43:52,200 was should be what is remembered. 720 00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:55,040 Not how he died, because that's a terrible story. 721 00:43:55,540 --> 00:43:57,480 But he left such a legacy. 722 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,940 He was at 1%. 65015

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