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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,902 --> 00:00:03,836 NICE! 2 00:00:03,838 --> 00:00:07,373 IF WE WENT FROM THE EARTH TO THE MOON, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? 3 00:00:07,375 --> 00:00:09,842 Narrator: EVEN THOUGH AMERICA CELEBRATES BEING THE FIRST 4 00:00:09,844 --> 00:00:11,143 TO SET FOOT ON THE MOON... 5 00:00:11,145 --> 00:00:13,579 Man: WE WOULD HAVE NEVER MET KENNEDY'S DEADLINE 6 00:00:13,581 --> 00:00:15,948 OF REACHING THERE AND RETURNING BY THE END OF THE DECADE. 7 00:00:15,950 --> 00:00:17,816 Narrator: ...CONSPIRACY THEORISTS ARGUE 8 00:00:17,818 --> 00:00:20,119 THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD HAVE DONE IT. 9 00:00:20,121 --> 00:00:21,787 IN '69, WE LANDED ON THE MOON. 10 00:00:21,789 --> 00:00:23,822 NASA STANDS FOR "NEVER A STRAIGHT ANSWER." 11 00:00:23,824 --> 00:00:28,027 COULD THIS HAVE BEEN PRODUCED IN HOLLYWOOD WITH SPECIAL EFFECTS? 12 00:00:28,029 --> 00:00:31,897 AND THEY SAY THAT SCIENCE IS ON THEIR SIDE. 13 00:00:31,899 --> 00:00:33,665 Man #2: Fire in the spacecraft. 14 00:00:33,667 --> 00:00:37,536 Narrator: GROUND ZERO OF THE CONSPIRACY, THE APOLLO 1 FIRE. 15 00:00:37,538 --> 00:00:38,971 WAS IT SET ON PURPOSE? 16 00:00:38,973 --> 00:00:40,973 THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN ADEQUATE EXPLANATION 17 00:00:40,975 --> 00:00:42,474 FOR HOW THE FIRE STARTED. 18 00:00:42,476 --> 00:00:44,643 OR PART OF A MASSIVE COVER-UP? 19 00:00:48,849 --> 00:00:51,450 WAS THE UNTIMELY DEATH OF A SAFETY INSPECTOR 20 00:00:51,452 --> 00:00:53,419 WHO TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS 21 00:00:53,421 --> 00:00:56,321 PROOF THAT NASA WASN'T READY TO LAND ON THE MOON? 22 00:00:56,323 --> 00:00:57,589 THINGS DON'T MAKE SENSE HERE. 23 00:00:57,591 --> 00:00:58,924 IS IT A COVER-UP OR NOT? 24 00:00:58,926 --> 00:01:01,427 Bara: IT RAISES THE BIGGER CONSPIRACY QUESTION -- 25 00:01:01,429 --> 00:01:03,595 WAS NASA REALLY READY TO GO TO THE MOON? 26 00:01:03,597 --> 00:01:05,497 Narrator: A FORMER FBI AGENT, 27 00:01:05,499 --> 00:01:08,934 A CONSPIRACY THEORIST AND FORMER AEROSPACE CONSULTANT, 28 00:01:08,936 --> 00:01:12,604 AND AN AMERICAN ASTRONAUT ARE INVESTIGATING. 29 00:01:12,606 --> 00:01:15,607 -- Captions by VITAC -- www.vitac.com 30 00:01:15,609 --> 00:01:18,610 CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS 31 00:01:18,612 --> 00:01:23,549 ♪ 32 00:01:23,551 --> 00:01:26,785 Jenkins: WHEN CONSPIRACY THEORISTS CLAIM WE NEVER LANDED ON THE MOON, 33 00:01:26,787 --> 00:01:29,088 A BIG PART OF THEIR ARGUMENT IS THAT WE JUST DIDN'T 34 00:01:29,090 --> 00:01:31,490 HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY, SO NASA FAKED IT. 35 00:01:31,492 --> 00:01:33,926 SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE STARTING OUR INVESTIGATION, 36 00:01:33,928 --> 00:01:36,028 AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SPACE RACE. 37 00:01:38,466 --> 00:01:40,466 SEPTEMBER 12, 1962. 38 00:01:40,468 --> 00:01:42,401 JOHN F. KENNEDY MADE ONE OF THE MOST 39 00:01:42,403 --> 00:01:44,503 FAMOUS SPEECHES OF HIS PRESIDENCY. 40 00:01:44,505 --> 00:01:47,539 We choose to go to the Moon in this decade 41 00:01:47,541 --> 00:01:48,974 and do the other things. 42 00:01:48,976 --> 00:01:52,945 Not because they are easy, but because they are hard. 43 00:01:52,947 --> 00:01:56,448 THE SOVIETS HAD ALREADY LAUNCHED THE FIRST PERSON INTO SPACE. 44 00:01:56,450 --> 00:02:00,018 THE SPACE RACE WAS ON. YEAH, AND WE WERE BEHIND. 45 00:02:00,020 --> 00:02:02,621 Bara: KENNEDY GAVE HIS "WE CHOOSE TO GO TO THE MOON" SPEECH 46 00:02:02,623 --> 00:02:04,556 AT RICE UNIVERSITY MORE THAN A YEAR 47 00:02:04,558 --> 00:02:07,359 AFTER THE SOVIETS PUT THE FIRST MAN IN SPACE. 48 00:02:07,361 --> 00:02:12,197 WE HAVE VOWED THAT WE SHALL NOT SEE IT GOVERNED 49 00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:14,700 BY A HOSTILE FLAG OF CONQUEST. 50 00:02:14,702 --> 00:02:17,402 HE WAS NEVER A PRESIDENT WHO ROMANTICIZED SPACE 51 00:02:17,404 --> 00:02:19,638 AS THE GLORIOUS FINAL FRONTIER, 52 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:22,407 BUT HE WAS AN INTENSE COLD WARRIOR WHO WAS OBSESSED 53 00:02:22,409 --> 00:02:24,009 WITH BESTING THE SOVIETS. 54 00:02:24,011 --> 00:02:26,178 We shall not see space 55 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:29,548 filled with weapons of mass destruction, 56 00:02:29,550 --> 00:02:31,950 but with instruments of knowledge. 57 00:02:31,952 --> 00:02:34,953 Bara: NASA'S CHALLENGES ONLY BEGAN WITH JFK SETTING 58 00:02:34,955 --> 00:02:36,822 AN AGGRESSIVE TIME LINE FOR A MOON LANDING. 59 00:02:36,824 --> 00:02:39,491 THEY DID NOT END THERE. 60 00:02:39,493 --> 00:02:43,061 FIGURING OUT HOW TO DESIGN AND BUILD A ROCKET POWERFUL ENOUGH 61 00:02:43,063 --> 00:02:45,597 YET LIGHT ENOUGH TO SAFELY CARRY A PAYLOAD 62 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:49,801 THAT INCLUDED ASTRONAUTS ALL THE WAY TO THE MOON WAS JOB ONE. 63 00:02:49,803 --> 00:02:52,104 THEN THEY NEED TO DEVELOP THE TECHNOLOGY 64 00:02:52,106 --> 00:02:54,072 TO LAND ON THE LUNAR SURFACE SAFELY. 65 00:02:54,074 --> 00:02:56,008 IT WAS A HUGE UNDERTAKING, 66 00:02:56,010 --> 00:02:58,343 EVEN CALCULATING THE AMOUNT OF FUEL NECESSARY 67 00:02:58,345 --> 00:03:01,213 TO LEAVE THE MOON, TRAVEL NEARLY A QUARTER OF A MILLION MILES 68 00:03:01,215 --> 00:03:03,916 THROUGH THE SUPER BURN OF THE EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE, 69 00:03:03,918 --> 00:03:06,518 AND SOMEHOW, SPLASH DOWN SAFELY. 70 00:03:08,455 --> 00:03:11,390 THEY HAD NONE OF THIS FIGURED OUT IN 1962. 71 00:03:11,392 --> 00:03:18,096 ♪ 72 00:03:18,098 --> 00:03:19,731 THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK TO DO IF NASA WANTED 73 00:03:19,733 --> 00:03:22,301 TO GET A MAN ON THE MOON. 74 00:03:22,303 --> 00:03:24,136 GUYS, I CAN TELL YOU THIS -- 75 00:03:24,138 --> 00:03:27,072 IN MY OPINION, AMERICA HAS NEVER DONE 76 00:03:27,074 --> 00:03:31,109 A BIGGER TECHNOLOGICAL QUEST AS GOING TO THE MOON. 77 00:03:31,111 --> 00:03:33,912 Melvin: OKAY. SO THE TIMING WAS VERY AMBITIOUS, 78 00:03:33,914 --> 00:03:35,781 BUT EVENTUALLY, WE DID IT. 79 00:03:35,783 --> 00:03:37,382 AND THAT'S WHY I'M SO PROUD 80 00:03:37,384 --> 00:03:40,752 OF MY NASA BROTHERS AND SISTERS PULLING IT OFF. 81 00:03:40,754 --> 00:03:42,154 Bara: I'M JUST NOT BUYING IT. 82 00:03:42,156 --> 00:03:45,324 IN 1963, THE MOST POWERFUL SUPER COMPUTERS IN THE WORLD 83 00:03:45,326 --> 00:03:46,692 TOOK UP ENTIRE ROOMS. 84 00:03:46,694 --> 00:03:48,727 IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN SUCH A QUANTUM LEAP IN TECHNOLOGY 85 00:03:48,729 --> 00:03:50,495 TO MEET KENNEDY'S DEADLINE. 86 00:03:50,497 --> 00:03:52,931 Man: Ignition. 87 00:03:52,933 --> 00:03:56,435 Lift off. 88 00:03:56,437 --> 00:03:58,270 Good lift off, 8. 89 00:03:58,272 --> 00:04:01,473 LOOK, WE HAVE BEEN BEHIND THE SOVIETS, 90 00:04:01,475 --> 00:04:03,775 BUT NASA WAS MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS. 91 00:04:03,777 --> 00:04:06,144 YOU HAVE THE SIX MANNED MERCURY MISSIONS, 92 00:04:06,146 --> 00:04:10,182 19 GEMINI LAUNCHES, AND THEN COMES THE APOLLO PROGRAM. 93 00:04:10,184 --> 00:04:12,517 THE APOLLO PROGRAM WAS UNLIKE ANYTHING 94 00:04:12,519 --> 00:04:15,287 THAT AEROSPACE ENGINEERS AT NASA HAD DONE BEFORE. 95 00:04:15,289 --> 00:04:18,156 NOT ONLY WAS IT THEIR FIRST THREE-MAN MISSION, 96 00:04:18,158 --> 00:04:21,927 BUT ITS MAIN GOAL WAS TO GET THEM TO LAND SAFELY ON THE MOON. 97 00:04:21,929 --> 00:04:25,564 Man: 1965, then, is a year of training, 98 00:04:25,566 --> 00:04:30,669 fabrication, assembly, and test for Project Apollo. 99 00:04:30,671 --> 00:04:34,306 Melvin: AT ITS PEAK, NASA EMPLOYED CLOSE TO HALF A MILLION PEOPLE 100 00:04:34,308 --> 00:04:36,341 FOR THE APOLLO PROGRAM, 101 00:04:36,343 --> 00:04:39,911 AND REQUIRED THE HELP OF OVER 20,000 INDUSTRIAL FIRMS 102 00:04:39,913 --> 00:04:42,080 AND UNIVERSITIES TO HELP WITH THE PROJECT. 103 00:04:42,082 --> 00:04:44,716 Man: Ignition. 104 00:04:44,718 --> 00:04:46,151 Lift off. 105 00:04:46,153 --> 00:04:48,220 Jenkins: AMERICA WAS HOOKED ON THE SPACE PROGRAM, 106 00:04:48,222 --> 00:04:50,822 AND THE APOLLO PROJECT SEEMED TOO BIG TO FAIL. 107 00:04:54,028 --> 00:04:56,561 BUT THEN IN JANUARY 1967, 108 00:04:56,563 --> 00:05:00,332 WEEKS BEFORE THE FIRST APOLLO MISSION, TRAGEDY STRIKES. 109 00:05:00,334 --> 00:05:04,169 ♪ 110 00:05:04,171 --> 00:05:06,571 Herlihy: Apollo astronauts Roger Chaffee, Edward White, 111 00:05:06,573 --> 00:05:08,540 and Gus Grissom lose their lives 112 00:05:08,542 --> 00:05:11,710 in a tragic flash fire aboard their grounded space capsule. 113 00:05:11,712 --> 00:05:14,713 The entire three-man crew was engulfed by flames. 114 00:05:14,715 --> 00:05:19,017 A blue-ribbon panel of space experts is investigating. 115 00:05:19,019 --> 00:05:22,020 Jenkins: THE REVIEW-BOARD REPORT CLAIMS COOLANT LEAKED 116 00:05:22,022 --> 00:05:25,857 ON LIVE FRAYED WIRES, CAUSING A FIRE IN THE CAPSULE. 117 00:05:29,697 --> 00:05:31,797 Bara: IT'S ONE THING TO LOSE ASTRONAUTS IN SPACE, 118 00:05:31,799 --> 00:05:33,398 BUT THIS WAS A TEST ON THE GROUND. 119 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,600 IT SEEMS AS THOUGH POLITICAL PRESSURE TO GET TO THE MOON 120 00:05:35,602 --> 00:05:37,169 IN THE HEIGHT OF THE SPACE RACE 121 00:05:37,171 --> 00:05:39,171 MIGHT HAVE LED NASA OFFICIALS TO OVERLOOK 122 00:05:39,173 --> 00:05:42,574 SOME SAFETY CONCERNS IN FAVOR OF BEATING RUSSIA TO THE MOON. 123 00:05:42,576 --> 00:05:46,144 THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS FROM THE ASTRONAUTS THEMSELVES. 124 00:05:46,146 --> 00:05:48,747 THIS IS ACTUAL AUDIO OF GUS GRISSOM, 125 00:05:48,749 --> 00:05:51,783 ONE OF THE THREE APOLLO 1 ASTRONAUTS, 126 00:05:51,785 --> 00:05:54,186 DURING A TEST PRIOR TO THE FIRE. 127 00:05:54,188 --> 00:05:58,490 ♪ 128 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,767 HOW CAN WE GET TO THE MOON IF WE CAN'T EVEN TALK 129 00:06:08,769 --> 00:06:10,102 BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS? 130 00:06:10,104 --> 00:06:12,204 THE APOLLO 1 CAPSULE WAS A BRAND-NEW VEHICLE, 131 00:06:12,206 --> 00:06:13,972 AND NOT A MODIFIED VERSION OF GEMINI. 132 00:06:13,974 --> 00:06:16,241 IT HAD LOTS OF ISSUES IN DEVELOPMENT, ASSEMBLY, 133 00:06:16,243 --> 00:06:17,943 AND TESTING, AND IT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED. 134 00:06:17,945 --> 00:06:20,945 GRISSOM WAS VERY VOCAL ABOUT THE SHORTCOMINGS OF THE SPACECRAFT 135 00:06:20,947 --> 00:06:22,514 AND COMPLAINED A LOT TO THE HIGHER UPS 136 00:06:22,516 --> 00:06:24,116 THAT THE VEHICLE WAS NOT READY. 137 00:06:24,118 --> 00:06:25,717 AT ONE POINT, HE TOLD HIS WIFE 138 00:06:25,719 --> 00:06:28,086 IF THERE'S EVER A SERIOUS ACCIDENT IN THE PROGRAM, 139 00:06:28,088 --> 00:06:29,421 IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ME. 140 00:06:29,423 --> 00:06:31,990 YEAH, THEY DEFINITELY HAD SOME COMMUNICATION ISSUES. 141 00:06:31,992 --> 00:06:34,159 LOOK, IT WAS JUST GROWING PAINS AT NASA. 142 00:06:34,161 --> 00:06:36,628 IT RAISES THE BIGGER CONSPIRACY QUESTION -- 143 00:06:36,630 --> 00:06:39,064 WAS NASA REALLY READY TO GO TO THE MOON? 144 00:06:39,066 --> 00:06:41,600 NASA COULDN'T BEAT THE SOVIETS AND THEY JUST WEREN'T READY, 145 00:06:41,602 --> 00:06:44,002 SO THEY HAD TO BUY SOME TIME AND FAKE THE MOON LANDING. 146 00:06:44,004 --> 00:06:45,904 THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT, MANY OF THE ASTRONAUTS 147 00:06:45,906 --> 00:06:47,572 WOULD NEVER HAVE GONE ALONG 148 00:06:47,574 --> 00:06:49,307 WITH A PLAN TO FAKE THE MOON LANDING, 149 00:06:49,309 --> 00:06:51,643 SO EXTREME CONSPIRACY THEORISTS WILL TELL YOU THAT 150 00:06:51,645 --> 00:06:57,015 NASA SET THE FIRE ON PURPOSE IN AN EFFORT TO SILENCE THEM. 151 00:06:57,017 --> 00:06:59,551 THESE CONSPIRACY PEOPLE REALLY ANNOY ME. 152 00:06:59,553 --> 00:07:02,454 THEY ACCUSE NASA OF THIS MOON-LANDING HOAX. 153 00:07:02,456 --> 00:07:04,723 IT'S OUTRAGEOUS, IT'S UNPATRIOTIC. 154 00:07:04,725 --> 00:07:08,660 AS AN ASTRONAUT, THIS REALLY ANNOYS THE HELL OUT OF ME. 155 00:07:08,662 --> 00:07:11,029 I THINK WE'RE MISSING THE BIGGER PICTURE HERE, 156 00:07:11,031 --> 00:07:13,231 WHICH IS THE FIRE. 157 00:07:13,233 --> 00:07:15,767 THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN ADEQUATE EXPLANATION 158 00:07:15,769 --> 00:07:18,170 ON HOW THE FIRE STARTED. 159 00:07:18,172 --> 00:07:22,207 AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT HAS PUSHED ALL THESE SUSPICIONS. 160 00:07:22,209 --> 00:07:24,443 SO THAT'S WHERE WE START -- WE RECREATE THE FIRE 161 00:07:24,445 --> 00:07:26,478 TO SEE IF THE OFFICIAL STORY HOLDS UP. 162 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,714 WE HAVE A TEAM IN PLACE TO TEST THE CONDITIONS 163 00:07:29,716 --> 00:07:31,550 THAT MAY HAVE LED TO THAT FIRE. 164 00:07:34,054 --> 00:07:35,687 LET'S DO IT. 165 00:07:40,027 --> 00:07:42,594 Melvin: WE ARE HERE AT THE CARNEGIE INSTITUTION FOR SCIENCE, 166 00:07:42,596 --> 00:07:45,163 TO MEET WITH INVESTIGATORS WHO SPECIALIZE 167 00:07:45,165 --> 00:07:47,165 IN FUNDAMENTAL PHYSICS AND CHEMISTRY 168 00:07:47,167 --> 00:07:49,468 AT HIGH PRESSURES AND TEMPERATURES. 169 00:07:49,470 --> 00:07:52,604 Jenkins: WE WANT TO SEE IF WE CAN RECREATE THE APOLLO 1 FIRE, 170 00:07:52,606 --> 00:07:55,874 AND IF NASA'S CLAIM THAT IT WAS AN ACCIDENT IS TRUE. 171 00:07:55,876 --> 00:07:57,809 HEY, MIKE. HOW ARE YOU? 172 00:07:57,811 --> 00:07:58,844 GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? 173 00:07:58,846 --> 00:08:00,078 GOOD TO SEE YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU. 174 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,513 -PLEASURE TO MEET YOU. -ME TOO. 175 00:08:01,515 --> 00:08:03,215 YOU KNOW, THIS IS A REALLY SERIOUS THING. 176 00:08:03,217 --> 00:08:05,717 AS AN ASTRONAUT MYSELF, WE ALWAYS SHUDDER WHEN WE THINK 177 00:08:05,719 --> 00:08:08,487 ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE A FIRE IN A VEHICLE. 178 00:08:08,489 --> 00:08:10,021 WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT 179 00:08:10,023 --> 00:08:11,957 WHAT DID HAPPEN IN THE APOLLO 1 FIRE. 180 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:13,291 WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IS 181 00:08:13,293 --> 00:08:17,162 TO TEST THE CONCLUSIONS OF THE NASA INVESTIGATION 182 00:08:17,164 --> 00:08:20,799 BY RECREATING THE CONDITIONS AND THE EVENTS 183 00:08:20,801 --> 00:08:24,669 THAT THEY SUGGEST LED TO THE FIRE. 184 00:08:24,671 --> 00:08:28,673 SO, WE HAVE A FLASK THAT REPLICATES THE CAPSULE. 185 00:08:28,675 --> 00:08:32,444 WE ARE PUMPING PURE OXYGEN INTO THE FLASK. 186 00:08:32,446 --> 00:08:35,747 WE'VE PRODUCED A REPLICATION OF THE COOLANT 187 00:08:35,749 --> 00:08:38,750 THAT THEY USED IN THE SPACECRAFT AT THAT TIME. 188 00:08:38,752 --> 00:08:41,653 IT'S A MIXTURE OF WATER AND ETHYLENE GLYCOL. 189 00:08:41,655 --> 00:08:44,723 WE HAVE VELCRO, WHICH IS FLAMMABLE. 190 00:08:44,725 --> 00:08:47,792 WE HAVE WIRES, WHICH HAVE BEEN INTENTIONALLY FRAYED. 191 00:08:47,794 --> 00:08:50,896 THE WIRES ARE GONNA BE AT 28 VOLTS. 192 00:08:50,898 --> 00:08:53,765 THEY'RE LIVE, LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE CAPSULE. 193 00:08:53,767 --> 00:08:58,403 AND WE'RE GONNA DRIP THIS SOLUTION ONTO OUR LIVE WIRES, 194 00:08:58,405 --> 00:09:01,339 AND WE'RE GONNA SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 195 00:09:01,341 --> 00:09:02,908 NOW WE'LL SEAL THE TOP. 196 00:09:02,910 --> 00:09:04,376 THE TOP IS SEALED. 197 00:09:04,378 --> 00:09:08,280 AND WE'LL DISPLACE THE AIR WITH THE OXYGEN. 198 00:09:08,282 --> 00:09:13,151 JOE'S GONNA CONNECT THE WIRES TO THE POWER SOURCE. 199 00:09:13,153 --> 00:09:14,586 Jenkins: THIS IS THE MOMENT OF TRUTH. 200 00:09:14,588 --> 00:09:17,923 WE'LL HAVE OUR ANSWER WHEN THE COOLANT HITS THE LIVE WIRE. 201 00:09:21,161 --> 00:09:22,494 All: OH. 202 00:09:22,496 --> 00:09:24,496 Bara: IT WAS ALMOST THE PERFECT STORM. 203 00:09:24,498 --> 00:09:28,166 WE WERE NOT ACTUALLY READY TO GO TO THE MOON. 204 00:09:28,168 --> 00:09:31,336 Jenkins: WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE ASTRONAUTS COULDN'T ESCAPE. 205 00:09:31,338 --> 00:09:36,241 TRYING TO OPEN THE DOOR WOULD BE LIKE TRYING TO DEAD-LIFT A CAR. 206 00:09:36,243 --> 00:09:37,375 GEEZ. 207 00:09:37,377 --> 00:09:41,680 ♪ 208 00:09:48,455 --> 00:09:54,759 ♪ 209 00:09:54,761 --> 00:09:57,295 Melvin: WE ARE HERE AT THE CARNEGIE INSTITUTION FOR SCIENCE, 210 00:09:57,297 --> 00:09:59,264 ATTEMPTING TO RECREATE THE CONDITIONS 211 00:09:59,266 --> 00:10:02,067 THAT COULD HAVE LED TO THE APOLLO 1 FIRE. 212 00:10:02,069 --> 00:10:04,469 Walter: SO JOE IS PUTTING A DROP OR TWO 213 00:10:04,471 --> 00:10:08,673 OF THE COOLANT MIXTURE ONTO THE WIRES. 214 00:10:08,675 --> 00:10:12,611 JOE IS GONNA CONNECT THE WIRES TO THE POWER SOURCE. 215 00:10:15,182 --> 00:10:17,782 AND WE'RE READY TO GO. 216 00:10:17,784 --> 00:10:21,553 Jenkins: NASA SAID THE FIRE WAS CAUSED BY A COMBUSTIBLE COOLANT 217 00:10:21,555 --> 00:10:23,455 THAT WAS DROPPING ON FRAYED WIRES 218 00:10:23,457 --> 00:10:25,790 IN AN ENVIRONMENT OF PURE OXYGEN. 219 00:10:25,792 --> 00:10:28,360 WE ARE NOW GETTING A CHANCE TO SEE WITH OUR OWN EYES 220 00:10:28,362 --> 00:10:30,929 WHETHER IS ACTUALLY BELIEVABLE. 221 00:10:30,931 --> 00:10:34,332 AND ON THIS METER HERE, THIS IS MEASURING THE CURRENT. 222 00:10:34,334 --> 00:10:37,102 AND WHEN THE OXIDATION REACTION BEGINS, 223 00:10:37,104 --> 00:10:39,571 THIS CURRENT WILL BEGIN TO GO UP. 224 00:10:39,573 --> 00:10:41,740 Jenkins: IF WE SEE A SPARK OR FLAME AT THIS POINT, 225 00:10:41,742 --> 00:10:45,443 IT MEANS NASA'S EXPLANATION OF THE FIRE IS LEGITIMATE. 226 00:10:45,445 --> 00:10:47,746 Walter: AND TYPICALLY WE CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF BUBBLING 227 00:10:47,748 --> 00:10:49,247 AND A LITTLE BIT OF -- AND THERE'S SOME SMOKE. 228 00:10:49,249 --> 00:10:50,382 THERE'S SMOKE RIGHT NOW. 229 00:10:50,384 --> 00:10:54,052 AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CURRENT IS GOING UP. 230 00:10:54,054 --> 00:10:56,021 LOTS OF SMOKE. -LOTS OF SMOKE. 231 00:10:56,023 --> 00:10:57,389 OPE, I SAW A SPARK. 232 00:10:57,391 --> 00:10:58,690 YEAH, THERE'S A SPARK, THERE'S SPARKS. 233 00:10:58,692 --> 00:11:00,158 -THERE'S FLAME, YEAH. -THERE WE GO. 234 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,626 THERE WE GO. -WOW. 235 00:11:01,628 --> 00:11:02,794 -AND IT'S BIG. -WHOA. 236 00:11:02,796 --> 00:11:06,097 -OHH. -WOW. 237 00:11:06,099 --> 00:11:09,100 SO YOU CAN SEE THE REACTION WITH THE OXYGEN. 238 00:11:09,102 --> 00:11:11,503 WOW. 239 00:11:11,505 --> 00:11:12,871 AND THAT'S JUST FROM THE VELCRO. 240 00:11:12,873 --> 00:11:14,272 Walter: IT'S JUST THE VELCRO AND THE WIRES. 241 00:11:14,274 --> 00:11:16,207 -A LITTLE TINY PIECE OF VELCRO. -A LITTLE TINY PIECE. 242 00:11:16,209 --> 00:11:18,643 -IT WAS LIKE A TORCH. -AND IT'S CONTINUING. 243 00:11:18,645 --> 00:11:20,178 Melvin: THIS IS IT. 244 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:22,814 SO, THAT BLACK SMOKE COMES FROM THE PLASTIC BURNING, RIGHT? 245 00:11:22,816 --> 00:11:24,549 YEAH. THAT'S ALL THE RUBBER AND PLASTIC. 246 00:11:24,551 --> 00:11:26,184 AND YOU SAW, ONCE THE VELCRO STARTED, 247 00:11:26,186 --> 00:11:28,520 IT WENT UP VERY QUICKLY. 248 00:11:28,522 --> 00:11:31,856 Bara: BY WITNESSING THE TEST MYSELF, I CAN SEE THAT THE APOLLO 1 FIRE 249 00:11:31,858 --> 00:11:33,358 WAS PROBABLY AN ACCIDENT. 250 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,260 THE CAPSULE WAS FULL OF COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS, 251 00:11:35,262 --> 00:11:37,062 ESPECIALLY FABRIC AND VELCRO. 252 00:11:37,064 --> 00:11:38,763 THIS IS JUST BAD ENGINEERING. 253 00:11:38,765 --> 00:11:41,366 IT WAS NOT SOME ATTEMPT BY NASA TO SILENCE THE ASTRONAUTS. 254 00:11:41,368 --> 00:11:43,635 BUT IT DOES REINFORCE MY BELIEF THAT WE WERE NOT 255 00:11:43,637 --> 00:11:46,337 ACTUALLY READY TO GO TO THE MOON IN 1967. 256 00:11:46,339 --> 00:11:50,008 ALRIGHT. 257 00:11:50,010 --> 00:11:51,242 OH, YEAH. YEAH, IT'S CHARRED. 258 00:11:51,244 --> 00:11:53,211 LOOK AT THAT. BURNT TO A CRISP. 259 00:11:53,213 --> 00:11:56,014 THERE WAS NEVER ANY DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THIS EXPERIMENT 260 00:11:56,016 --> 00:11:58,183 WOULD CONFIRM NASA'S OFFICIAL REPORT. 261 00:11:58,185 --> 00:12:00,785 BECAUSE OF THIS DISASTER, ENGINEERS TOOK WHAT THEY LEARNED 262 00:12:00,787 --> 00:12:02,721 FROM THE FIRE AND REMOVED FABRICS 263 00:12:02,723 --> 00:12:05,290 AND OTHER COMBUSTIBLES FROM FUTURE CAPSULE DESIGNS. 264 00:12:05,292 --> 00:12:07,726 SEPARATELY, IT WAS ALL HARMLESS, 265 00:12:07,728 --> 00:12:10,495 BUT COMBINED, UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS, 266 00:12:10,497 --> 00:12:11,763 IT WAS BASICALLY A BOMB. 267 00:12:11,765 --> 00:12:14,065 IT WAS ALMOST THE PERFECT STORM, RIGHT? 268 00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:21,473 ♪ 269 00:12:21,475 --> 00:12:26,377 Jenkins: THIS IS A PLAUSIBLE, YOU KNOW REASON WHY THE FIRE HAPPENED. 270 00:12:26,379 --> 00:12:29,914 THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING WHICH WAS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT. 271 00:12:29,916 --> 00:12:31,950 AND THEY HAD LOTS OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT. 272 00:12:31,952 --> 00:12:34,385 AND I THINK THINKING ABOUT A DRIPPING BIT OF COOLANT 273 00:12:34,387 --> 00:12:36,454 ONTO A BARE WIRE WASN'T ONE OF THEM. 274 00:12:36,456 --> 00:12:38,123 IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE 275 00:12:38,125 --> 00:12:40,191 THAT THESE PIONEERS HAD TO GIVE THEIR LIVES 276 00:12:40,193 --> 00:12:42,961 SO THAT NASA COULD LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES. 277 00:12:45,365 --> 00:12:47,832 NOW THAT WE UNDERSTAND HOW THE FIRE COULD HAVE STARTED, 278 00:12:47,834 --> 00:12:50,869 WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE ASTRONAUTS COULDN'T ESCAPE. 279 00:12:50,871 --> 00:12:52,437 THE SECOND PART OF THE CONSPIRACY THEORY 280 00:12:52,439 --> 00:12:55,573 SURROUNDING THE APOLLO 1 CAPSULE IS THE HATCH DESIGN. 281 00:12:55,575 --> 00:12:57,542 SOME ARGUE THAT IN THE RUSH TO GET TO THE MOON, 282 00:12:57,544 --> 00:12:59,477 KEY FEATURES WERE OVERLOOKED. 283 00:13:01,581 --> 00:13:04,115 THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE APOLLO 1 FIRE CONCLUDED THAT 284 00:13:04,117 --> 00:13:06,251 BECAUSE THE CAPSULE DOOR OPENED INWARDS, 285 00:13:06,253 --> 00:13:08,219 COMBINED WITH EXTREME CABIN PRESSURE, 286 00:13:08,221 --> 00:13:10,488 THAT THE CREW HAD NO CHANCE OF FORCING THE HATCH OPEN 287 00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:12,857 AND ESCAPING. 288 00:13:12,859 --> 00:13:14,759 CONSPIRACY THEORISTS BELIEVE THAT NASA KNEW 289 00:13:14,761 --> 00:13:16,294 ABOUT THESE DESIGN FLAWS, 290 00:13:16,296 --> 00:13:19,164 BUT THEY WERE SO INTENT ON BEATING THE SOVIETS TO THE MOON 291 00:13:19,166 --> 00:13:22,700 THAT THEY PUSHED AHEAD AND PUT THE APOLLO 1 CREW IN DANGER. 292 00:13:22,702 --> 00:13:28,373 ♪ 293 00:13:28,375 --> 00:13:30,275 [ INDISTINCT CONVERSATION ] 294 00:13:30,277 --> 00:13:34,078 ♪ 295 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,480 Jenkins: ART, HOW'S IT GOIN'? 296 00:13:35,482 --> 00:13:38,583 SINCE THE ORIGINAL APOLLO 1 INVESTIGATION CONCLUDED 297 00:13:38,585 --> 00:13:41,753 THAT THE CREW HAD NO CHANCE OF FORCING THE HATCH OPEN 298 00:13:41,755 --> 00:13:44,556 AND ESCAPING, WE'VE GOT A BUILD TEAM READY TO SIMULATE 299 00:13:44,558 --> 00:13:46,191 THE PRESSURE INSIDE THE CAPSULE. 300 00:13:46,193 --> 00:13:51,663 ART WILINKSKI IS A MASTER SET FABRICATOR AND BUILDER. 301 00:13:51,665 --> 00:13:54,065 I TURN TO HIM WHEN I NEED TO RECREATE EVIDENCE 302 00:13:54,067 --> 00:13:55,900 IN MY INVESTIGATIONS. 303 00:13:55,902 --> 00:13:57,368 HE'S GOING TO ATTEMPT TO SHOW US 304 00:13:57,370 --> 00:14:00,071 SIMPLY WHY THE ASTRONAUTS COULDN'T OPEN THE HATCH 305 00:14:00,073 --> 00:14:03,241 AND GET OUT OF THE BURNING CAPSULE. 306 00:14:03,243 --> 00:14:06,678 CAN YOU KIND OF EXPLAIN THIS SIMPLE MECHANISM THAT YOU HAVE, 307 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:08,646 THAT WE CAN KIND OF TEST THE PRESSURE? 308 00:14:08,648 --> 00:14:11,549 THE PRESSURE WAS PHENOMENAL, CONSIDERING THE PRESSURE 309 00:14:11,551 --> 00:14:15,286 INSIDE THE CAPSULE CABIN PUSHING THE DOOR CLOSED 310 00:14:15,288 --> 00:14:18,857 VERSUS THE AIR PRESSURE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE CAPSULE. 311 00:14:18,859 --> 00:14:20,658 IT WAS JUST -- IT WAS MASSIVE. 312 00:14:20,660 --> 00:14:24,963 THE NET PRESSURE ON THE DOOR WAS TWO POUNDS PER SQUARE INCH. 313 00:14:24,965 --> 00:14:27,598 HOW MUCH PRESSURE IS THAT IN PRACTICAL TERMS? 314 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,568 GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE DOOR, THAT ADDS UP TO WELL OVER 315 00:14:30,570 --> 00:14:34,839 A TON OF FORCE HOLDING THE DOOR CLOSED. 316 00:14:34,841 --> 00:14:38,710 TRYING TO OPEN IT UP WOULD BE LIKE TRYING TO DEAD-LIFT A CAR. 317 00:14:40,513 --> 00:14:43,581 GEEZ. IT'S A LOT OF PRESSURE. 318 00:14:43,583 --> 00:14:45,316 I WANTED TO DO SOMETHING REALLY SIMPLE 319 00:14:45,318 --> 00:14:46,484 TO ILLUSTRATE THE POINT, RIGHT? 320 00:14:46,486 --> 00:14:48,253 SO, EVERYBODY'S GOT A DOOR IN THEIR HOUSE. 321 00:14:48,255 --> 00:14:51,022 I MADE IT SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT EVEN JUST 1,000 POUNDS 322 00:14:51,024 --> 00:14:52,323 OF PRESSURE IS LIKE. 323 00:14:52,325 --> 00:14:53,691 RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT RIGGED UP. 324 00:14:53,693 --> 00:14:55,126 YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF PRESSURE IN THERE. 325 00:14:55,128 --> 00:14:56,628 THERE'S PROBABLY 14, 326 00:14:56,630 --> 00:14:58,696 15 POUNDS OF PRESSURE ON THERE, THE WAY IT'S RIGGED. 327 00:14:58,698 --> 00:15:00,064 AND SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE. 328 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:02,934 I'LL TRY THAT TURN. OKAY. 329 00:15:02,936 --> 00:15:05,803 RIGHT? BUT EVEN THAT IS QUITE A BIT. 330 00:15:05,805 --> 00:15:08,273 BUT IF WE THROW THIS DEAD BOLT... 331 00:15:08,275 --> 00:15:10,842 THEY DIDN'T JUST HAVE ONE BOLT IN THE DOOR, THEY HAD SIX. 332 00:15:10,844 --> 00:15:12,877 AND THEY NEEDED A WRENCH TO DO IT. 333 00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:17,115 SO THE DEAD BOLT REPRESENTS THE SIX BOLTS IN THE HATCH, 334 00:15:17,117 --> 00:15:21,653 TO SHOW US THE PRESSURE OF EVEN OPENING UP ONE WITH THE WRENCH. 335 00:15:21,655 --> 00:15:24,355 AND IF WE START THE WRAP BEHIND THE DOOR, 336 00:15:24,357 --> 00:15:27,392 YOU'RE PUTTING 50 POUNDS OF FORCE THERE. 337 00:15:27,394 --> 00:15:29,661 HERE'S ANOTHER 50. 338 00:15:29,663 --> 00:15:30,695 HERE'S ANOTHER 50. 339 00:15:30,697 --> 00:15:32,563 SO EVERY WRAP IS ADDING PRESSURE. 340 00:15:32,565 --> 00:15:36,234 EVERY WRAP IS PROBABLY ABOUT 50 POUNDS. 341 00:15:36,236 --> 00:15:37,936 I'LL TRY TO MAKE 10 WRAPS. 342 00:15:37,938 --> 00:15:41,005 AH, GEEZ. 343 00:15:41,007 --> 00:15:42,740 I TUNED IT UP A LITTLE BIT. 344 00:15:42,742 --> 00:15:44,442 IF YOU GIVE IT A TRY... 345 00:15:44,444 --> 00:15:46,945 I AM GONNA STAND ASIDE WHILE YOU ATTEMPT TO OPEN THIS DOOR. 346 00:15:46,947 --> 00:15:50,081 OKAY? -ALL RIGHT. 347 00:15:50,083 --> 00:15:51,916 ALL RIGHT. I'LL GO FOR IT FIRST. 348 00:15:55,755 --> 00:15:57,555 Melvin: WOW. IS IT BUDGING? 349 00:15:58,692 --> 00:16:01,426 NAH. NO. 350 00:16:01,428 --> 00:16:02,694 IT'S YOUR TURN. 351 00:16:02,696 --> 00:16:04,329 LET ME TRY. 352 00:16:07,734 --> 00:16:10,034 [ GRUNTS ] 353 00:16:10,036 --> 00:16:11,436 OKAY. 354 00:16:11,438 --> 00:16:13,504 YOU CAN'T TOUCH IT. 355 00:16:13,506 --> 00:16:15,173 WHAT IF ONE OF US PULLS ON IT? 356 00:16:15,175 --> 00:16:17,208 SO, I'LL PULL THE HANDLE. YOU TAKE THE... 357 00:16:17,210 --> 00:16:18,843 LET'S TRY TO PULL IT BACK. 358 00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:22,847 [ BOTH GROANING ] 359 00:16:22,849 --> 00:16:24,949 AND THIS IS PROBABLY 1/40th 360 00:16:24,951 --> 00:16:28,886 OF WHAT THE FORCE THEY WERE EXPERIENCING, YEAH. 361 00:16:28,888 --> 00:16:31,089 Melvin: THIS WAS A REHEARSAL FOR THE LAUNCH, 362 00:16:31,091 --> 00:16:32,790 SO THE CAPSULE WAS COMPLETELY SEALED 363 00:16:32,792 --> 00:16:34,559 LIKE IT WOULD BE IN OUTER SPACE. 364 00:16:34,561 --> 00:16:36,060 SO THE INTENSITY OF THE FIRE, 365 00:16:36,062 --> 00:16:38,129 FED BY THE PURE-OXYGEN ENVIRONMENT, 366 00:16:38,131 --> 00:16:40,231 CAUSED THE PRESSURE TO SKYROCKET. 367 00:16:40,233 --> 00:16:42,967 THAT'S WHY THE ASTRONAUTS HAD NO CHANCE TO ESCAPE. 368 00:16:42,969 --> 00:16:46,471 JUST, REALLY BAD FOR MY ASTRONAUT BUDDIES IN THERE. 369 00:16:46,473 --> 00:16:48,306 Jenkins: YOU KNOW, THIS TEST DEMONSTRATED 370 00:16:48,308 --> 00:16:52,210 THAT THE APOLLO 1 ASTRONAUTS REALLY HAD NO CHANCE OF ESCAPE. 371 00:16:52,212 --> 00:16:53,478 BUT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE 372 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,514 TO REACH OUR ULTIMATE GOAL WITHOUT THEIR SACRIFICE. 373 00:16:56,516 --> 00:16:59,751 IT MAKES ME THINK OF WHAT THOSE MEN 374 00:16:59,753 --> 00:17:02,286 ENDURED FOR THE UNITED STATES 375 00:17:02,288 --> 00:17:05,156 IN ORDER TO GET OURSELVES TO THE MOON FIRST. 376 00:17:05,158 --> 00:17:07,158 TRUE HEROES AND PATRIOTS. 377 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:08,659 Bara: THEY WERE CALLING IT A SPACE RACE, 378 00:17:08,661 --> 00:17:11,195 AND THEY WERE RACING SO FAST THEY DROPPED THE BALL 379 00:17:11,197 --> 00:17:14,532 ON BASIC ELEMENTS LIKE PRESSURIZATION AND A DOOR LATCH. 380 00:17:14,534 --> 00:17:17,168 SO THERE'S NO WAY THEY WERE EVEN CLOSE TO FIGURING OUT 381 00:17:17,170 --> 00:17:19,504 ORBITAL METHODS, CALCULATING FUEL REQUIREMENTS, 382 00:17:19,506 --> 00:17:21,539 OR SOLVING THE PROBLEMS OF RE-ENTRY. 383 00:17:21,541 --> 00:17:23,941 THIS IS FODDER FOR SO MANY CONSPIRACY THEORIES. 384 00:17:23,943 --> 00:17:29,313 THEY JUST WEREN'T READY IN 1967, AND THEY WEREN'T READY IN 1969. 385 00:17:29,315 --> 00:17:31,449 NONE OF THIS MEANS THAT NASA WASN'T CAPABLE 386 00:17:31,451 --> 00:17:32,850 OF SENDING MEN TO THE MOON. 387 00:17:32,852 --> 00:17:34,786 IN FACT, WHAT THEY LEARNED FROM APOLLO 1 388 00:17:34,788 --> 00:17:36,387 PUT THEM ONE STEP CLOSER. 389 00:17:36,389 --> 00:17:37,855 BASED ON THIS TRAGEDY, 390 00:17:37,857 --> 00:17:40,658 THE HATCH DOOR WAS IMPROVED FOR FUTURE MISSIONS 391 00:17:40,660 --> 00:17:43,995 SO IT COULD BE MORE EASILY OPENED IN EMERGENCIES. 392 00:17:43,997 --> 00:17:46,631 MY ASTRONAUT BROTHERS PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE 393 00:17:46,633 --> 00:17:49,634 FOR THE LOVE OF THEIR COUNTRY, BUT IT WAS NOT IN VAIN. 394 00:17:52,405 --> 00:17:55,339 Narrator: DID A NASA SAFETY INSPECTOR TRY TO WARN THE WORLD 395 00:17:55,341 --> 00:17:58,576 THAT THEY WEREN'T READY TO PUT A MAN ON THE MOON? 396 00:17:58,578 --> 00:18:00,978 AND WAS HIS UNTIMELY DEATH AN ACCIDENT? 397 00:18:00,980 --> 00:18:02,480 OR A COVER-UP? 398 00:18:02,482 --> 00:18:06,317 WHO WASHES THEIR CAR 20 MINUTES BEFORE THEY GO COMMIT SUICIDE? 399 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:07,618 THINGS DON'T MAKE SENSE HERE. 400 00:18:07,620 --> 00:18:12,056 ♪ 401 00:18:18,998 --> 00:18:28,072 ♪ 402 00:18:28,074 --> 00:18:30,074 OUR FIRE AND DOOR TESTS CONFIRMED THAT 403 00:18:30,076 --> 00:18:32,110 NASA'S EXPLANATION FOR WHAT HAPPENED 404 00:18:32,112 --> 00:18:34,512 IN THE APOLLO 1 DISASTER IS CREDIBLE, 405 00:18:34,514 --> 00:18:37,181 BUT CLEARLY PROVED THAT NASA HAD A LOT OF WORK TO DO 406 00:18:37,183 --> 00:18:39,851 BEFORE PUTTING A MAN ON THE MOON. 407 00:18:39,853 --> 00:18:41,953 EVEN IF THOSE ASTRONAUTS DIED BECAUSE OF AN ACCIDENT, 408 00:18:41,955 --> 00:18:43,421 THERE ARE STILL CONSPIRACY THEORIES 409 00:18:43,423 --> 00:18:49,026 THAT NASA WOULD STOP AT NOTHING TO SILENCE DISSENT OR CRITICISM. 410 00:18:49,028 --> 00:18:51,562 Jenkins: EVEN BEFORE THE APOLLO 1 DISASTER, 411 00:18:51,564 --> 00:18:55,833 DID YOU KNOW THAT CONCERNS WERE BEING RAISED WITHIN NASA ITSELF? 412 00:18:55,835 --> 00:18:58,736 HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THOMAS RONALD BARON? 413 00:19:01,174 --> 00:19:04,876 FROM SEPTEMBER OF 1965 UNTIL NOVEMBER OF 1966, 414 00:19:04,878 --> 00:19:07,211 BARON WAS A MISSILE PRE-FLIGHT INSPECTOR 415 00:19:07,213 --> 00:19:08,913 IN THE QUALITY CONTROL DEPARTMENT 416 00:19:08,915 --> 00:19:11,716 OF NORTH AMERICAN AVIATION, THE COMPANY IN CHARGE 417 00:19:11,718 --> 00:19:14,552 OF BUILDING THE APOLLO 1 COMMAND MODULE. 418 00:19:14,554 --> 00:19:17,321 DURING THAT TIME, HE KEPT NOTES ON WHAT HE PERCEIVED 419 00:19:17,323 --> 00:19:18,723 AS FLAWS IN THE PROJECT 420 00:19:18,725 --> 00:19:23,161 AND SUBMITTED HIS 55-PAGE REPORT TO NASA AT THE END OF 1966. 421 00:19:30,370 --> 00:19:32,737 Jenkins: BARON FELT IGNORED BY HIS SUPERIORS, 422 00:19:32,739 --> 00:19:35,573 SO HE DELIBERATELY LEAKED THIS REPORT TO THE PRESS, 423 00:19:35,575 --> 00:19:41,445 FORCING NORTH AMERICAN AVIATION TO FIRE HIM ON JANUARY 5, 1967. 424 00:19:41,447 --> 00:19:44,382 LESS THAN A MONTH LATER, THE TRAGEDY HE PREDICTED 425 00:19:44,384 --> 00:19:47,185 TOOK THE LIVES OF THREE AMERICAN HEROES. 426 00:20:06,005 --> 00:20:08,706 ON APRIL 21, 1967, 427 00:20:08,708 --> 00:20:11,609 BARON TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS ABOUT HIS FINDINGS, 428 00:20:11,611 --> 00:20:16,280 BRINGING WITH HIM A NEW AND MORE DETAILED 500-PAGE REPORT. 429 00:20:16,282 --> 00:20:19,650 Bara: BARON'S APPEARANCE BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE LASTED HOURS. 430 00:20:19,652 --> 00:20:21,552 AT THE VERY START, HE SPOKE OF WHAT HE CALLED 431 00:20:21,554 --> 00:20:24,889 "EXTENSIVE PROBLEMS" AT NORTH AMERICAN CONCERNING SAFETY. 432 00:20:24,891 --> 00:20:26,290 I HAVE A TRANSCRIPT OF HIS HEARING, 433 00:20:26,292 --> 00:20:28,392 AND AT ONE POINT, HE'S ASKED WHAT HE WOULD CONSIDER 434 00:20:28,394 --> 00:20:30,461 THE MOST SIGNIFICANT OF HIS POINTS. 435 00:20:30,463 --> 00:20:33,331 SO, READING FROM THE REPORT, HE SAYS, "I MEAN, 436 00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:35,566 IF I WERE TO WRITE A LETTER ABOUT A PARTICULAR INSTANCE 437 00:20:35,568 --> 00:20:37,568 OR A FIRE OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, 438 00:20:37,570 --> 00:20:39,370 OR SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE HAD, 439 00:20:39,372 --> 00:20:41,272 AND TRY TO GET IT UP THROUGH CHANNELS, 440 00:20:41,274 --> 00:20:43,241 IT WOULD BE STOPPED ALONG THE WAY. 441 00:20:43,243 --> 00:20:45,076 THIS HAS OCCURRED." 442 00:20:45,078 --> 00:20:47,345 AND AT THE END OF HIS TESTIMONY, 443 00:20:47,347 --> 00:20:50,014 WHEN ASKED IF HE'D LIKE TO MAKE ANY FINAL STATEMENTS, 444 00:20:50,016 --> 00:20:52,683 HE SAYS HE'D LIKE TO SUBMIT AS PART OF THE RECORD 445 00:20:52,685 --> 00:20:54,619 HIS 500-PAGE REPORT. 446 00:20:54,621 --> 00:20:57,154 SO THEY TELL HIM, WE CAN'T TAKE IT AS AN EXHIBIT. 447 00:20:57,156 --> 00:20:59,323 WHETHER WE PRINT IT AS PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD 448 00:20:59,325 --> 00:21:01,425 IS SOMETHING WE WILL DECIDE AFTER WE SEE IT. 449 00:21:01,427 --> 00:21:04,929 ONLY ONE WEEK AFTER TESTIFYING, THE GUY IS DEAD. 450 00:21:04,931 --> 00:21:08,633 BARON AND HIS FAMILY WERE KILLED WHEN THEIR CAR STRUCK A TREE. 451 00:21:08,635 --> 00:21:13,170 THE 500-PAGE REPORT WAS NEVER MADE PUBLIC AND HAS DISAPPEARED. 452 00:21:13,172 --> 00:21:15,473 MAYBE HE WAS DISGRUNTLED. 453 00:21:15,475 --> 00:21:18,909 HE DIES SUDDENLY, WHICH I FIND VERY, VERY SUSPICIOUS. 454 00:21:18,911 --> 00:21:21,379 IN THE CONSPIRACY COMMUNITY, BARON IS A LEGEND 455 00:21:21,381 --> 00:21:22,546 FOR TAKING ON NASA, 456 00:21:22,548 --> 00:21:24,649 AND I BELIEVE HE WAS SILENCED. 457 00:21:24,651 --> 00:21:26,917 I'M SURE THIS IS GONNA BE HARD FOR LELAND TO HEAR, 458 00:21:26,919 --> 00:21:28,986 BUT THE SPACE PROGRAM HAD ITS FLAWS. 459 00:21:28,988 --> 00:21:30,988 Melvin: TO BE HONEST, AS AN ASTRONAUT, IT REALLY PAINS ME 460 00:21:30,990 --> 00:21:33,691 THAT WE HAVE TO INVESTIGATE HIS DEATH AS A CONSPIRACY. 461 00:21:33,693 --> 00:21:35,626 I DON'T REMOTELY BELIEVE IT. 462 00:21:35,628 --> 00:21:37,561 AND IT'S ACTUALLY VERY OFFENSIVE. 463 00:21:37,563 --> 00:21:41,832 BUT I'LL DO THIS TO PUT THIS CONSPIRACY NONSENSE TO BED. 464 00:21:41,834 --> 00:21:44,302 WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE THE DEATH OF THOMAS BARON 465 00:21:44,304 --> 00:21:46,337 AND DETERMINE IF THERE WAS ANY FOUL PLAY. 466 00:21:46,339 --> 00:21:48,306 IF THERE WAS, WE'RE BACK TO WONDERING WHETHER 467 00:21:48,308 --> 00:21:51,676 NASA WAS COVERING UP THEIR LACK OF READINESS TO GO TO THE MOON. 468 00:21:51,678 --> 00:21:54,545 UNTIL APOLLO 1, NASA HAD LOST ONLY THREE ASTRONAUTS, 469 00:21:54,547 --> 00:21:56,447 AND ALL OF THEM ON JET-TRAINING FLIGHTS. 470 00:21:56,449 --> 00:21:58,115 WE HAD TO BEAT THE SOVIETS AT ANY COST, 471 00:21:58,117 --> 00:22:01,218 AND IF THE APOLLO 1 TRAGEDY WASN'T GONNA STOP NASA, 472 00:22:01,220 --> 00:22:02,820 NEITHER WAS THOMAS BARON. 473 00:22:02,822 --> 00:22:08,759 ♪ 474 00:22:08,761 --> 00:22:10,361 Jenkins: I TRACKED DOWN A POTENTIAL SOURCE 475 00:22:10,363 --> 00:22:12,029 WHO MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE US SOME INFO 476 00:22:12,031 --> 00:22:13,964 ON THOMAS BARON'S DEATH. 477 00:22:13,966 --> 00:22:16,267 JOURNALIST GARY CORSAIR. 478 00:22:16,269 --> 00:22:20,471 HE'S INTERVIEWED BARON'S FAMILY, INTERVIEWED LOTS OF PEOPLE 479 00:22:20,473 --> 00:22:23,774 THAT WERE IN THE SPACE PROGRAM EARLY ON. 480 00:22:23,776 --> 00:22:26,310 Melvin: YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE, LIKE, AN FBI GUY, 481 00:22:26,312 --> 00:22:28,179 YOU KNOW, LIKE EXPERT AND ALL THAT, BUT... 482 00:22:28,181 --> 00:22:30,848 HOW DO YOU KEEP FINDING ALL THESE PEOPLE, MAN? 483 00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:31,982 WHAT'S YOUR SECRET? 484 00:22:31,984 --> 00:22:33,617 LELAND, I LIKE YOU TOO MUCH, MAN. 485 00:22:33,619 --> 00:22:35,486 IF I TOLD YOU, I'D HAVE TO KILL YOU. 486 00:22:35,488 --> 00:22:41,859 ♪ 487 00:22:41,861 --> 00:22:43,728 I THINK I SEE HIM. 488 00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:46,230 HERE WE GO. 489 00:22:46,232 --> 00:22:47,798 GARY? GOOD MORNING. 490 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,567 HEY. GOOD MORNING. CHAD JENKINS. 491 00:22:49,569 --> 00:22:51,635 NICE TO MEET YOU, CHAD. THANKS FOR MEETING US. 492 00:22:51,637 --> 00:22:52,837 LELAND MELVIN. HOW YOU DOIN'? 493 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:54,839 NICE TO MEET YOU, LELAND. HAVE A SEAT. 494 00:22:54,841 --> 00:22:56,574 YEAH. 495 00:22:56,576 --> 00:22:59,677 WE'RE LOOKING INTO THE EARLY DAYS OF APOLLO, 496 00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:01,345 AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO ASK TO YOU ABOUT 497 00:23:01,347 --> 00:23:04,915 IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THOMAS BARON. 498 00:23:04,917 --> 00:23:09,353 HE WAS A GUY IN HIS MID-20's WHO WAS VERY INTELLIGENT, 499 00:23:09,355 --> 00:23:11,956 VERY METICULOUS, VERY EXACTING. 500 00:23:11,958 --> 00:23:15,059 HIGH-SCHOOL EDUCATION BUT WENT STRAIGHT INTO THE AIR FORCE. 501 00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:17,561 HE SPENT ABOUT FOUR YEARS WORKING AS A TECH 502 00:23:17,563 --> 00:23:19,296 ON ALL SORTS OF AIRCRAFTS. 503 00:23:19,298 --> 00:23:22,500 SO, REALLY, HE HAD A LOT OF KNOW-HOW AS FAR AS AERONAUTICAL. 504 00:23:22,502 --> 00:23:25,669 WHAT WAS HIS BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT THE APOLLO 1? 505 00:23:25,671 --> 00:23:27,204 WOW, THERE WAS... 506 00:23:27,206 --> 00:23:30,074 YOU KNOW, OTHER GUYS DON'T CARE, THEY'RE TAKING SHORTCUTS, 507 00:23:30,076 --> 00:23:31,909 THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE SPECS, 508 00:23:31,911 --> 00:23:35,279 THEY'RE CHANGING THE SPECS, OR DISREGARDING TAGS. 509 00:23:35,281 --> 00:23:37,648 I MEAN, THEY LOVED IT WHEN HE WAS OUT SICK 510 00:23:37,650 --> 00:23:39,450 BECAUSE THEY GOT WORK DONE. 511 00:23:39,452 --> 00:23:40,885 SO HE WASN'T A POPULAR GUY 512 00:23:40,887 --> 00:23:42,820 AMONGST HIS PEER, OR HIS SUPERVISORS. 513 00:23:42,822 --> 00:23:45,022 THEY WERE BEHIND SCHEDULE AND HE WAS PUTTING THEM 514 00:23:45,024 --> 00:23:46,791 FARTHER BEHIND SCHEDULE EVERY DAY. 515 00:23:46,793 --> 00:23:48,526 THIS DEADLINE OF LESS THAN A DECADE, 516 00:23:48,528 --> 00:23:49,927 OR A DECADE, TO GET TO THE MOON. 517 00:23:49,929 --> 00:23:50,895 RIGHT. 518 00:23:50,897 --> 00:23:52,797 AND THAT WAS VERY REAL WITHIN NASA. 519 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:55,866 MY GOLLY, WE'VE GOT TO GET THERE BEFORE THE RUSSIANS. 520 00:23:55,868 --> 00:23:58,335 WAS HE GETTING IN TROUBLE AT ALL FOR COMPLAINING 521 00:23:58,337 --> 00:24:00,371 THE WAY HE WAS TO HIS SUPERIORS? 522 00:24:00,373 --> 00:24:03,274 IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE HIS SUPERVISORS SAID 523 00:24:03,276 --> 00:24:05,543 "YOU NEED TO RATCHET IT DOWN. 524 00:24:05,545 --> 00:24:07,578 YOU NEED TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY A LITTLE BIT." 525 00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:10,047 SO HE GOT HIS HANDS SLAPPED ALL THE TIME. 526 00:24:10,049 --> 00:24:11,982 INSTEAD, HE WENT AND TALKED TO THE PRESS. 527 00:24:30,102 --> 00:24:33,804 I THINK NASA WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS TO DISCREDIT TOM BARON. 528 00:24:33,806 --> 00:24:36,407 AND BARON HAD REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. 529 00:24:36,409 --> 00:24:38,742 I DO KNOW THAT BARON WAS FOLLOWED. 530 00:24:38,744 --> 00:24:40,744 SOMEONE HAD RANSACKED HIS TRAILER. 531 00:24:40,746 --> 00:24:42,513 I THINK IT'S SAFE TO ASSUME THEY WERE LOOKING 532 00:24:42,515 --> 00:24:44,582 FOR HIS 500-PAGE REPORT. 533 00:24:44,584 --> 00:24:48,219 THIS IS ALL CRUCIAL, SENSITIVE STUFF. 534 00:24:48,221 --> 00:24:51,288 MANY OF THE ASTRONAUTS MOSTLY HAD SOME PROBLEMS 535 00:24:51,290 --> 00:24:53,757 WITH THE WAY OPERATION WAS GOING ON. 536 00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:57,595 YEAH, GRISSOM. I MEAN, HE HUNG A LEMON ON ONE OF THE PROTOTYPES. 537 00:24:57,597 --> 00:24:59,497 HE SAYS, "WE'RE GONNA FLY IN THIS?" 538 00:24:59,499 --> 00:25:01,465 AND HE ALSO MADE A COMMENT 539 00:25:01,467 --> 00:25:04,001 THAT THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE ENGINEERING 540 00:25:04,003 --> 00:25:06,704 WASN'T AS GOOD AS IT WAS ON MERCURY AND GEMINI. 541 00:25:06,706 --> 00:25:08,439 OH, WOW. WITH THIS KIND OF EVIDENCE, 542 00:25:08,441 --> 00:25:10,274 A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE SAYING THAT NASA REALLY WASN'T 543 00:25:10,276 --> 00:25:11,509 READY TO GO TO THE MOON. 544 00:25:11,511 --> 00:25:13,878 GUS WAS WORRIED THAT THEY WERE NOT GONNA COME BACK 545 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,380 FROM THAT FLIGHT, AND, AS YOU KNOW, BARON, 546 00:25:16,382 --> 00:25:19,817 RIGHT UP UNTIL THE FIRE, SAID, "SOMETHING BAD'S GONNA HAPPEN." 547 00:25:19,819 --> 00:25:24,221 DO YOU THINK, UH, THAT TOM BARON'S DEATH WAS AN ACCIDENT? 548 00:25:24,223 --> 00:25:28,859 I HAVE THE ONLY COPY OF THE ACCIDENT INVESTIGATION REPORT. 549 00:25:28,861 --> 00:25:30,861 TELL US ABOUT THOMAS BARON. 550 00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:33,230 UH, THE GUY'S MAKING NOTHING BUT TROUBLE. 551 00:25:33,232 --> 00:25:35,332 I MADE A PROMISE TO MYSELF. 552 00:25:35,334 --> 00:25:37,101 I'M NEVER GONNA LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN. 553 00:25:37,103 --> 00:25:41,472 ♪ 554 00:25:48,581 --> 00:25:56,387 ♪ 555 00:25:56,389 --> 00:25:59,623 Jenkins: SO, THOMAS BARON WASN'T A POPULAR GUY AMONGST HIS PEERS. 556 00:25:59,625 --> 00:26:01,926 THEY WERE BEHIND SCHEDULE, AND HE WAS PUTTING THEM 557 00:26:01,928 --> 00:26:03,661 FARTHER BEHIND SCHEDULE EVERY DAY. 558 00:26:03,663 --> 00:26:06,063 AND THE PRESIDENT HAD THIS, YOU KNOW, MANDATE 559 00:26:06,065 --> 00:26:08,332 TO GET US TO THE MOON IN TEN YEARS, 560 00:26:08,334 --> 00:26:09,667 AND PEOPLE WERE PUSHING FOR THAT. 561 00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:11,035 THEY'RE LIKE, "BROTHER, CAN'T YOU LOOK THE OTHER WAY 562 00:26:11,037 --> 00:26:12,069 ONCE IN A WHILE?" RIGHT. 563 00:26:12,071 --> 00:26:13,904 "WE GOT A DEADLINE TO MEET." 564 00:26:13,906 --> 00:26:16,273 Jenkins: THOMAS BARON WAS A NASA WHISTLE-BLOWER 565 00:26:16,275 --> 00:26:19,009 WHO WAS EVENTUALLY FIRED FOR LEAKING HIS OPINIONS 566 00:26:19,011 --> 00:26:20,311 ON THE APOLLO PROGRAM. 567 00:26:20,313 --> 00:26:23,514 JUST ONE WEEK AFTER HE TESTIFIES BEFORE CONGRESS, 568 00:26:23,516 --> 00:26:25,950 HE DIES WITH HIS WIFE AND STEPDAUGHTER 569 00:26:25,952 --> 00:26:27,851 WHEN HIS CAR GETS HIT BY A TRAIN, 570 00:26:27,853 --> 00:26:30,421 AND HIS 500-PAGE REPORT GOES MISSING. 571 00:26:30,423 --> 00:26:33,190 THE QUESTION IS -- IS THIS A TRAGIC ACCIDENT, 572 00:26:33,192 --> 00:26:35,225 OR WAS HE SILENCED TO PROTECT NASA? 573 00:26:35,227 --> 00:26:41,131 DO YOU THINK, UH, THAT TOM BARON'S DEATH WAS AN ACCIDENT? 574 00:26:41,133 --> 00:26:44,768 I'M HOPING YOU GUYS CAN HELP ME ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 575 00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:47,204 I HAVE WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE ONLY COPY 576 00:26:47,206 --> 00:26:51,642 OF THE FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL ACCIDENT INVESTIGATION REPORT. 577 00:26:51,644 --> 00:26:52,910 THAT'S THE ACTUAL REPORT? WOW. 578 00:26:52,912 --> 00:26:55,379 THAT'S THE ONLY COPY THAT I KNOW EXISTS. 579 00:26:55,381 --> 00:26:57,748 NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO SHOW OFF OUT IN THE OPEN HERE. 580 00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:58,983 RIGHT. 581 00:26:58,985 --> 00:27:02,786 I THINK IT WAS VERY, VERY SUSPICIOUS. 582 00:27:02,788 --> 00:27:04,622 THE RUMOR THAT WAS OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME 583 00:27:04,624 --> 00:27:07,157 WAS THAT HE WAS SO DISTRAUGHT OF BEING FIRED 584 00:27:07,159 --> 00:27:08,826 AND ALL THAT HE COMMITTED SUICIDE. 585 00:27:08,828 --> 00:27:10,160 MM. 586 00:27:10,162 --> 00:27:12,596 TO WHICH I SAY, "WHO WASHES THEIR CAR 20 MINUTES 587 00:27:12,598 --> 00:27:14,965 BEFORE THEY GO COMMIT SUICIDE?" 588 00:27:14,967 --> 00:27:18,869 BUT WHAT REALLY DRIVES CONSPIRACY THEORISTS IS THE FACT 589 00:27:18,871 --> 00:27:22,906 THAT THE TRAIN ORIGINATED FROM THE JAY JAY RAIL YARD, 590 00:27:22,908 --> 00:27:27,745 WHICH WAS OWNED AND OPERATED BY NASA. 591 00:27:27,747 --> 00:27:29,146 INTERESTING STORY. 592 00:27:29,148 --> 00:27:32,216 YEAH. YEAH, IT REALLY IS. 593 00:27:32,218 --> 00:27:34,218 THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WOULD LOVE FOR ME 594 00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:36,587 TO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS SUICIDE, BUT I'M NOT BUYING IT. 595 00:27:36,589 --> 00:27:39,456 ONE, THE TRAIN CAME FROM A NASA RAIL YARD. 596 00:27:39,458 --> 00:27:42,092 TWO, WHY WOULD HE DRIVE HIS CAR INTO A TRAIN 597 00:27:42,094 --> 00:27:45,029 WITH HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN ON BOARD? 598 00:27:45,031 --> 00:27:46,730 I THINK THE THING WAS STAGED. 599 00:27:46,732 --> 00:27:49,233 TO ME, THE PLACE TO START IS FLORIDA, 600 00:27:49,235 --> 00:27:52,836 WHERE THE ACCIDENT HAPPENED, WHERE BARON LIVED. 601 00:27:52,838 --> 00:27:54,471 Melvin: LET'S GO TO FLORIDA. 602 00:27:59,278 --> 00:28:01,879 THIS SAYS HE HAD A FRACTURED SKULL, 603 00:28:01,881 --> 00:28:04,581 LACERATIONS ON THE HEAD, FRACTURED RIBS. 604 00:28:04,583 --> 00:28:07,051 ALL THOSE INJURIES ARE CONSISTENT WITH A CAR ACCIDENT. 605 00:28:07,053 --> 00:28:09,820 I'M NO EXPERT, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME. 606 00:28:09,822 --> 00:28:11,522 THE POLICE REPORT IS EYE-OPENING, 607 00:28:11,524 --> 00:28:13,724 BUT WE CAN'T JUST GO ON THE COMMENTS OF A REPORTER 608 00:28:13,726 --> 00:28:15,259 WITH NO TIES TO NASA. 609 00:28:15,261 --> 00:28:17,795 BEFORE WE GO ASKING WILD QUESTIONS LIKE, 610 00:28:17,797 --> 00:28:19,129 "COULD HE HAVE BEEN KILLED?" 611 00:28:19,131 --> 00:28:21,131 WE NEED TO FIND SOMEONE WHO WORKED WITH HIM 612 00:28:21,133 --> 00:28:23,434 AND KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES. 613 00:28:23,436 --> 00:28:26,704 I WAS ABLE TO FIND A GUY WHO ACTUALLY WORKED 614 00:28:26,706 --> 00:28:28,605 WITH THOMAS BARON -- 615 00:28:28,607 --> 00:28:29,840 ERNIE REYES. 616 00:28:29,842 --> 00:28:31,241 WHAT BETTER PERSON THAN SOMEBODY 617 00:28:31,243 --> 00:28:34,645 WHO DIRECTLY WORKED WITH THOMAS AT NASA? 618 00:28:36,782 --> 00:28:39,183 ERNIE REYES WORKED FOR NASA FROM THE BEGINNING -- 619 00:28:39,185 --> 00:28:41,085 IN FACT, EVEN BEFORE THE BEGINNING, 620 00:28:41,087 --> 00:28:44,321 WORKING ON THE X-15 ROCKETS IN THE MID-'50s. 621 00:28:44,323 --> 00:28:46,023 HE WAS AN ENGINEER AND TECHNICIAN 622 00:28:46,025 --> 00:28:48,192 ON THE GEMINI AND APOLLO PROGRAMS, 623 00:28:48,194 --> 00:28:51,095 WORKING ON THE HARDWARE OF THE CAPSULE, THE COMMAND MODULE, 624 00:28:51,097 --> 00:28:53,864 AND EVEN THE LUNAR LANDER AT THE ROCKET RANCH. 625 00:28:53,866 --> 00:28:55,199 DURING THE APOLLO PROGRAM, 626 00:28:55,201 --> 00:28:57,735 HE WAS THE DIRECTOR OF QUALITY ASSURANCE, 627 00:28:57,737 --> 00:29:01,772 WORKING AS AN INSPECTOR WITH THOMAS BARON ON A DAILY BASIS. 628 00:29:01,774 --> 00:29:05,075 HE WAS EVEN THERE WHEN THE APOLLO 1 FIRE HAPPENED. 629 00:29:07,346 --> 00:29:09,079 A LOT OF THE APOLLO ASTRONAUTS -- 630 00:29:09,081 --> 00:29:10,614 IT'S HARD TO GET A HOLD OF THEM 631 00:29:10,616 --> 00:29:12,950 'CAUSE THIS HAPPENED 50 YEARS AGO. 632 00:29:12,952 --> 00:29:14,585 THERE'S NOT MANY THAT ARE LEFT 633 00:29:14,587 --> 00:29:18,689 THAT WORKED ON THE PROJECT AND HAD ACCESS TO NASA, AS WELL. 634 00:29:18,691 --> 00:29:20,257 THIS IS A HUGE FIND FOR US. 635 00:29:20,259 --> 00:29:21,492 HOPEFULLY IT'S A GOLD MINE. 636 00:29:21,494 --> 00:29:22,993 Melvin: I'M EXCITED TO INTERVIEW ERNIE. 637 00:29:22,995 --> 00:29:25,696 THESE EARLY NASA GUYS ARE LEGENDS, 638 00:29:25,698 --> 00:29:28,599 BUT THEY DON'T GET ENOUGH CREDIT FOR THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS. 639 00:29:28,601 --> 00:29:36,774 ♪ 640 00:29:36,776 --> 00:29:37,708 HI. 641 00:29:37,710 --> 00:29:38,742 HEY, SIR, ARE YOU MR. REYES? 642 00:29:38,744 --> 00:29:40,878 AFRAID SO. I'M CHAD JENKINS. 643 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,780 I'M A FORMER FBI AGENT. 644 00:29:42,782 --> 00:29:43,881 HELLO, SIR. HOW YOU DOING? 645 00:29:43,883 --> 00:29:45,282 MY NAME'S LELAND MELVIN. 646 00:29:45,284 --> 00:29:48,152 LELAND, I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE YOU WITHOUT YOUR BLUE SUIT. 647 00:29:48,154 --> 00:29:49,620 COME ON IN. RIGHT. 648 00:29:49,622 --> 00:29:51,321 WE APPRECIATE YOU LETTING US COME HERE 649 00:29:51,323 --> 00:29:53,390 AND ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS. 650 00:29:53,392 --> 00:29:57,027 THIS WHOLE PLACE IS DECORATED WITH SPACE-ERA GOODIES, 651 00:29:57,029 --> 00:30:01,131 'CAUSE I SPENT MY LIFE AT THE ROCKET RANCH. 652 00:30:01,133 --> 00:30:05,736 Jenkins: IS IT TRUE THAT YOU WERE PART OF THE APOLLO 1 PROGRAM IN 1967? 653 00:30:05,738 --> 00:30:07,838 YES, SIR. 654 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,240 CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THOMAS BARON? 655 00:30:10,242 --> 00:30:12,976 OH, MY GOD. 656 00:30:12,978 --> 00:30:16,947 HE WAS STUBBORN AS THE DAY IS LONG, 657 00:30:16,949 --> 00:30:20,450 AND HE WAS HUNGRY TO WRITE UP THINGS 658 00:30:20,452 --> 00:30:23,187 THAT WERE SOMETIMES TRUE DISCREPANCIES, 659 00:30:23,189 --> 00:30:24,922 AND TIMES THEY WERE NOT. 660 00:30:24,924 --> 00:30:28,425 AND THIS WAS SLOWING DOWN THE PROCESS? 661 00:30:28,427 --> 00:30:31,895 WE HAD A TREMENDOUS CONSTRAINTS TO GET THE CREW TRAINED. 662 00:30:31,897 --> 00:30:34,431 THE CREW LAUNCHED THE APOLLO PROGRAM. 663 00:30:34,433 --> 00:30:36,700 THE PRESIDENT HAD SAID BY THE END OF THE DECADE. 664 00:30:36,702 --> 00:30:38,001 YEAH. 665 00:30:38,003 --> 00:30:39,670 WAS HE LIKED BY FELLOW COWORKERS, 666 00:30:39,672 --> 00:30:41,238 OR WAS HE, LIKE, A NUISANCE? 667 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,374 HE WAS, UH, NOT LOOKED AT SOMEBODY THAT WAS, 668 00:30:44,376 --> 00:30:47,244 UH, ON THE SAME TEAM. 669 00:30:47,246 --> 00:30:49,479 NOT BRINGING ANYTHING TO THE PARTY, OKAY? 670 00:30:49,481 --> 00:30:50,914 KIND OF A NAYSAYER? 671 00:30:50,916 --> 00:30:53,517 A NAYSAYER. 672 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:57,554 THEN IN '66, THEY SAID, UH, "WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? 673 00:30:57,556 --> 00:31:00,424 THE GUY'S MAKING NOTHING BUT TROUBLE FOR ALL CONCERNED -- 674 00:31:00,426 --> 00:31:03,327 INCLUDING OUR COMPANY. DO WE NEED HIM?" 675 00:31:03,329 --> 00:31:04,528 RIGHT. 676 00:31:04,530 --> 00:31:06,396 BOOP, HE WAS TERMINATED. 677 00:31:08,901 --> 00:31:10,968 I HAPPENED TO REVIEW HIS REPORT. 678 00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:12,502 MM-HMM. THE YEAR OF THE ACCIDENT, 679 00:31:12,504 --> 00:31:14,638 1967. 680 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,807 I WENT THROUGH THAT WHOLE REPORT. 681 00:31:16,809 --> 00:31:18,809 HE KEPT SAYING THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A DISASTER... 682 00:31:18,811 --> 00:31:20,010 MM-HMM. 683 00:31:20,012 --> 00:31:23,247 ...IF THEY DIDN'T FIX WHAT HE FOUND. 684 00:31:23,249 --> 00:31:25,515 THERE WAS NOTHING THAT INVOLVED ANYTHING 685 00:31:25,517 --> 00:31:27,985 THAT WOULD'VE CAUSED THE FIRE. 686 00:31:27,987 --> 00:31:30,754 SO THOMAS BARON PREDICTED THAT THERE WOULD BE A DISASTER, 687 00:31:30,756 --> 00:31:33,523 BUT NONE OF THE ITEMS HE FLAGGED ACTUALLY LED 688 00:31:33,525 --> 00:31:34,892 TO THE APOLLO 1 FIRE. 689 00:31:34,894 --> 00:31:37,261 NASA WOULD HAVE NO REASON TO SILENCE HIM. 690 00:31:37,263 --> 00:31:38,295 I KNEW IT. 691 00:31:38,297 --> 00:31:41,431 NOT SO FAST. BARON SAID, BEFORE CONGRESS, 692 00:31:41,433 --> 00:31:44,768 THAT IN HIS NEW 500-PAGE REPORT, THE ONE THAT IS NOW MISSING, 693 00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:46,536 THAT HE HAD INFORMATION IN THERE 694 00:31:46,538 --> 00:31:49,239 REGARDING THE FLAMMABILITY OF MATERIALS IN THE CAPSULE. 695 00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:50,874 SO, NASA MAY NOT HAVE WANT HIM SILENCED 696 00:31:50,876 --> 00:31:53,010 FOR HIS INITIAL 55-PAGE REPORT, 697 00:31:53,012 --> 00:31:54,711 BUT THEY SURE AS HELL WOULD WANT HIM TO SHUT UP 698 00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:56,546 IF HE HAD 500 PAGES PROVING 699 00:31:56,548 --> 00:31:58,849 THAT THEY DIDN'T TAKE THE FLAMMABILITY OF THE MATERIALS 700 00:31:58,851 --> 00:32:01,685 THEY USED IN THE CAPSULE INTO ACCOUNT. 701 00:32:01,687 --> 00:32:04,755 DO WE REALLY THINK THAT TOM WAS MURDERED 702 00:32:04,757 --> 00:32:06,857 BECAUSE OF THE TESTIMONY HE GAVE? 703 00:32:06,859 --> 00:32:12,195 ♪ 704 00:32:19,805 --> 00:32:25,242 ♪ 705 00:32:25,244 --> 00:32:30,747 ♪ 706 00:32:30,749 --> 00:32:33,083 DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE ACCIDENT 707 00:32:33,085 --> 00:32:35,619 THAT TOOK PLACE ON THOSE TRAIN TRACKS? 708 00:32:35,621 --> 00:32:38,855 ON MY LIST OF CONCERNS, 709 00:32:38,857 --> 00:32:41,058 THAT DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE TOP 20. 710 00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:42,259 MM-HMM. 711 00:32:42,261 --> 00:32:43,961 I DIDN'T LOOK INTO THAT, AND I -- 712 00:32:43,963 --> 00:32:45,996 I COULD NOT CONCERN MYSELF WITH THAT. 713 00:32:45,998 --> 00:32:48,899 WE HAD HAD AN APOLLO CAPSULE FIRE. 714 00:32:48,901 --> 00:32:52,235 WE WERE DISASSEMBLING IT ONE NUT AT A TIME. 715 00:32:52,237 --> 00:32:54,071 WE HAD BURNT THREE ASTRONAUTS. 716 00:32:56,175 --> 00:33:00,477 I WENT INTO AN AREA WHERE I HAD BEEN WORKING EVERY DAY. 717 00:33:00,479 --> 00:33:05,115 FIRE BOTTLES, BURNED ITEMS -- EVERYTHING WAS A MESS, 718 00:33:05,117 --> 00:33:08,185 AND THEY PUT THE FLASHLIGHT INTO THE COCKPIT... 719 00:33:13,025 --> 00:33:15,726 THEY HAVEN'T TAKEN THE GUYS OUT, YET. 720 00:33:17,863 --> 00:33:21,832 I PHYSICALLY HELPED PULL THE BODIES OUT. 721 00:33:21,834 --> 00:33:25,469 MM-HMM. 722 00:33:25,471 --> 00:33:27,571 I MADE A PROMISE OF MYSELF. 723 00:33:27,573 --> 00:33:29,439 I'M NEVER GONNA LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN. 724 00:33:32,444 --> 00:33:35,078 Melvin: WATCHING THIS MAN RELIVE THIS TRAGEDY 725 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,948 MAKES ME THAT MUCH MORE PROTECTIVE OF THE SPACE PROGRAM. 726 00:33:37,950 --> 00:33:41,718 WE GOT TO THE MOON, AND THIS MAN HELPED US GET THERE. 727 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,954 PERIOD. CASE CLOSED. 728 00:33:43,956 --> 00:33:48,358 WAS THERE DOUBT ABOUT US HAVING THE RIGHT STUFF 729 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,761 TO GET TO THE MOON AFTER THAT FIRE 730 00:33:50,763 --> 00:33:52,662 WHERE WE LOST OUR THREE ASTRONAUTS? 731 00:33:52,664 --> 00:33:55,799 I-I WOULD SAY THAT THERE WAS A RENEWED EFFORT 732 00:33:55,801 --> 00:34:01,405 WITH MORE EMPHASIS ON DOING THE BEST YOU COULD, 733 00:34:01,407 --> 00:34:05,976 AND DOUBLE- AND TRIPLE-CHECKING YOUR WORK. 734 00:34:05,978 --> 00:34:08,245 AND WE KEPT HEARING ABOUT THE RUSSIANS DOING THIS 735 00:34:08,247 --> 00:34:09,980 AND THE RUSSIANS DOING THAT. 736 00:34:09,982 --> 00:34:13,016 WELL, WE'RE GONNA DO THE SAME, BUT PLUS MORE. 737 00:34:13,018 --> 00:34:14,184 RIGHT. 738 00:34:14,186 --> 00:34:15,952 WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE PRESIDENT'S DESIRES, 739 00:34:15,954 --> 00:34:20,190 AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS NATION NUMBER ONE. 740 00:34:20,192 --> 00:34:23,293 PEOPLE THAT SAID, "WE NEVER WENT TO THE MOON. 741 00:34:23,295 --> 00:34:24,694 YOU GUYS DIDN'T GO. 742 00:34:24,696 --> 00:34:26,396 YOU STAGED IT." 743 00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:29,232 IT TICKS ME OFF. MM-HMM. 744 00:34:29,234 --> 00:34:30,500 I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. 745 00:34:30,502 --> 00:34:32,135 I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING 746 00:34:32,137 --> 00:34:34,337 YOU'VE DONE FOR THE PROGRAM, 747 00:34:34,339 --> 00:34:36,840 FOR THE LEGACY OF THE APOLLO 1 CREW MEMBERS, 748 00:34:36,842 --> 00:34:40,844 FOR ALL OF THE ASTRONAUTS THAT HAVE SACRIFICED 749 00:34:40,846 --> 00:34:43,180 AND GIVEN THEIR LIVES, AND THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND 750 00:34:43,182 --> 00:34:45,582 LIKE YOURSELF THAT HAVE SACRIFICED 751 00:34:45,584 --> 00:34:48,251 AND GIVEN UP YOUR TIME FOR THE SPACE PROGRAM. 752 00:34:48,253 --> 00:34:50,554 SO, JUST THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART 753 00:34:50,556 --> 00:34:51,888 FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE. 754 00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:54,224 YOU'RE QUITE WELCOME. IT WAS AN HONOR. 755 00:34:54,226 --> 00:34:56,560 EVERY DAY WAS A CHALLENGE. 756 00:35:00,265 --> 00:35:03,533 THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT ERNIE'S WORDS ARE SINCERE AND HEARTFELT, 757 00:35:03,535 --> 00:35:06,536 BUT IT DOESN'T CONVINCE ME AND OTHER CONSPIRACY THEORISTS 758 00:35:06,538 --> 00:35:09,906 THAT THOMAS BARON WAS NOT SILENCED BY NASA. 759 00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:15,245 Jenkins: ERNIE IS A CREDIBLE CHARACTER WITNESS, 760 00:35:15,247 --> 00:35:18,448 BUT WE CAN'T IGNORE THOMAS BARON'S CRASH SITE, 761 00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:22,385 AND IT'S JUST EIGHT MILES FROM HERE. 762 00:35:22,387 --> 00:35:25,288 AFTER HE GAVE THAT CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONY, 763 00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:26,790 IT WAS SEVEN DAYS 764 00:35:26,792 --> 00:35:28,925 TO THE DAY THAT THIS ACCIDENT 765 00:35:28,927 --> 00:35:30,594 ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE. WOW. 766 00:35:30,596 --> 00:35:32,395 I MEAN, CAN YOU IMAGINE THE EMOTION 767 00:35:32,397 --> 00:35:34,397 THAT WAS RUNNING THROUGH THAT MAN AT THAT TIME? 768 00:35:34,399 --> 00:35:38,268 YEAH. YOU KNOW, FOR TOM TO COME FORWARD WITH THIS INFORMATION, 769 00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:40,504 IT DIDN'T MAKE THE AGENCY LOOK GOOD. 770 00:35:40,506 --> 00:35:42,506 THERE WAS ALREADY ENOUGH PRESSURE THERE. 771 00:35:42,508 --> 00:35:45,075 BUT DO WE REALLY THINK THAT TOM WAS MURDERED? 772 00:35:45,077 --> 00:35:46,877 Melvin: CONSPIRACY THEORISTS WILL TELL YOU 773 00:35:46,879 --> 00:35:48,512 THAT TOM BARON WAS A WHISTLE-BLOWER 774 00:35:48,514 --> 00:35:50,947 AND THAT NASA HAD HIM MURDERED TO COVER UP THE FACT 775 00:35:50,949 --> 00:35:52,749 THAT THEY WERE NOT READY TO GO TO THE MOON. 776 00:35:52,751 --> 00:35:54,451 I BELIEVE IT WAS A TERRIBLE ACCIDENT 777 00:35:54,453 --> 00:35:58,054 OR EVEN POSSIBLY SUICIDE. 778 00:35:58,056 --> 00:35:59,923 DID HE TRY TO STOP THE CAR AT ALL? 779 00:35:59,925 --> 00:36:02,359 IT SAYS HERE THERE WERE NO SKID MARKS. 780 00:36:02,361 --> 00:36:04,427 ACCORDING TO THIS, THEY TOOK PICTURES. 781 00:36:04,429 --> 00:36:06,096 I CALLED FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL, 782 00:36:06,098 --> 00:36:07,631 AND THEY DON'T HAVE THEM ANYMORE. 783 00:36:07,633 --> 00:36:09,132 THEY'VE BEEN DESTROYED. 784 00:36:09,134 --> 00:36:12,936 WE NEED TO FIND THIS CRASH SITE AND SEE WITH OUR OWN TWO EYES 785 00:36:12,938 --> 00:36:15,438 WHAT HE SAW THAT DAY AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. 786 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,340 RIGHT. 787 00:36:17,342 --> 00:36:19,809 Jenkins: THOMAS BARON'S DEATH WAS RULED AN ACCIDENT 788 00:36:19,811 --> 00:36:21,478 BY THE FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL. 789 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,347 THE INVESTIGATING TROOPER CONCLUDED THAT BARON HAD TRIED 790 00:36:24,349 --> 00:36:27,884 TO BEAT A TRAIN AT A CROSSING, BUT CONSPIRACY THEORISTS BELIEVE 791 00:36:27,886 --> 00:36:30,487 THAT SINCE THE TRAIN ORIGINATED AT JAY JAY, 792 00:36:30,489 --> 00:36:32,589 A TRAIN YARD OWNED BY NASA, 793 00:36:32,591 --> 00:36:35,258 THAT THE GOVERNMENT COULD'VE ORCHESTRATED BARON'S MURDER 794 00:36:35,260 --> 00:36:38,728 TO LOOK LIKE A TRAGIC ACCIDENT. 795 00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:41,965 IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I SEE WHERE THIS ACCIDENT ACTUALLY HAPPENED 796 00:36:41,967 --> 00:36:44,501 AND COMPARE IT TO THE REPORT SO I CAN SEE FOR MYSELF 797 00:36:44,503 --> 00:36:47,537 WHETHER THIS WAS A MURDER, SUICIDE, OR ACCIDENT. 798 00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:54,578 ♪ 799 00:36:54,580 --> 00:36:58,682 SO, BASICALLY, THIS BIKE PATH WAS THE OLD TRAIN TRACKS. 800 00:36:58,684 --> 00:37:01,518 LOOKS LIKE IT'S RUNNING RIGHT HERE PARALLEL TO THE ROAD. 801 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,086 RIGHT. 802 00:37:03,088 --> 00:37:07,457 JUST UP THE STREET, ABOUT 7/10th OF A MILE IS WHERE TOM LIVED. 803 00:37:07,459 --> 00:37:12,395 SO, HE TURNED 30 MILES PER HOUR, GOING AROUND HERE, RIGHT? 804 00:37:12,397 --> 00:37:15,932 YEAH, TOM WAS DRIVING NORTH TO SOUTH. 805 00:37:15,934 --> 00:37:17,701 HOW FAST WAS THE TRAIN GOING? 806 00:37:17,703 --> 00:37:19,603 THE TRAIN WAS GOING 40 MILES AN HOUR. 807 00:37:19,605 --> 00:37:22,472 WELL, ACCORDING TO THE REPORT, TOM'S BRAKE FLUID WAS FINE, 808 00:37:22,474 --> 00:37:25,842 AND THE CONDUCTOR HONKED TWICE TO WARN HIM. 809 00:37:25,844 --> 00:37:27,410 THIS WAS THE END FOR TOM. 810 00:37:27,412 --> 00:37:31,314 ♪ 811 00:37:31,316 --> 00:37:33,450 COULD SOMEONE TRYING TO PROTECT NASA 812 00:37:33,452 --> 00:37:35,085 HAVE ACTUALLY STAGED THIS CRASH 813 00:37:35,087 --> 00:37:38,154 TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE AN ACCIDENT AND GET RID OF BARON, 814 00:37:38,156 --> 00:37:40,257 OR WAS THIS A DESPERATE ACT OF A MAN 815 00:37:40,259 --> 00:37:43,360 WHO HAD JUST BEEN HUMILIATED ON A NATIONAL STAGE 816 00:37:43,362 --> 00:37:45,228 AND LOST HIS JOB? 817 00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:47,831 LOOK, THE U.S. GOVERNMENT TRIED TO ASSASSINATE CASTRO. 818 00:37:47,833 --> 00:37:49,699 YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THEY COULDN'T ORCHESTRATE A HIT 819 00:37:49,701 --> 00:37:53,036 ON A GUY LIKE BARON WITH A TRAIN? 820 00:37:53,038 --> 00:37:54,371 THINGS DON'T MAKE SENSE HERE. 821 00:37:54,373 --> 00:37:55,305 NO. 822 00:37:55,307 --> 00:37:59,276 ♪ 823 00:38:06,852 --> 00:38:15,058 ♪ 824 00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:16,726 Jenkins: THINGS DON'T MAKE SENSE HERE. 825 00:38:16,728 --> 00:38:18,161 Melvin: NO. 826 00:38:18,163 --> 00:38:20,563 DO WE REALLY THINK THAT TOM WAS MURDERED 827 00:38:20,565 --> 00:38:23,933 BECAUSE OF THE TESTIMONY HE GAVE THE WEEK PRIOR? 828 00:38:23,935 --> 00:38:25,602 IS IT A COVER UP OR NOT? 829 00:38:25,604 --> 00:38:28,738 Jenkins: LELAND AND I WERE AT THE SCENE OF THOMAS BARON'S DEATH. 830 00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:32,976 WAS IT A MURDER, A SUICIDE, OR AN ACCIDENT? 831 00:38:32,978 --> 00:38:35,912 WHEN YOU RUN INTO A DEAD END OF AN INVESTIGATION, 832 00:38:35,914 --> 00:38:37,447 A GOOD WAY TO GET BACK ON TRACK 833 00:38:37,449 --> 00:38:39,716 IS TO RETRACE THE STEPS OF THE VICTIM. 834 00:38:39,718 --> 00:38:42,385 I'M HOPING BY RE-DRIVING THE ROUTE THAT BARON TOOK 835 00:38:42,387 --> 00:38:44,754 WHEN HE LOST HIS LIFE WOULD HELP ME SEE SOMETHING 836 00:38:44,756 --> 00:38:46,489 THAT I OTHERWISE COULDN'T SEE. 837 00:38:46,491 --> 00:38:55,498 ♪ 838 00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,702 TAKING THAT TURN AT 30 MILES AN HOUR IN A MODERN VEHICLE 839 00:38:58,704 --> 00:39:01,204 WITH POWER STEERING WAS DANGEROUSLY FAST. 840 00:39:01,206 --> 00:39:04,741 I WOULDN'T EVEN WANT TO TRY TAKING THAT TURN IN A 1959 CAR. 841 00:39:04,743 --> 00:39:07,877 YOU'D LOSE CONTROL. 842 00:39:07,879 --> 00:39:09,212 HE MUST'VE JUST TRIED TO MAKE 843 00:39:09,214 --> 00:39:11,114 THAT LEFT-HAND TURN AND BEAT THE TRAIN. 844 00:39:11,116 --> 00:39:14,317 WITH ALL THE PRESSURE THAT HE WAS UNDER DURING THIS TIME 845 00:39:14,319 --> 00:39:18,121 WITH THE APOLLO FIRE, STRESS, THE SPACE PROGRAM IN ITSELF... 846 00:39:18,123 --> 00:39:19,356 RIGHT. ...YOU KNOW, 847 00:39:19,358 --> 00:39:22,225 GETTING PEOPLE TO THE MOON, GETTING FIRED... 848 00:39:22,227 --> 00:39:27,063 A 1967 POLICE REPORT DOES POINT TO MENTAL CONDITIONS 849 00:39:27,065 --> 00:39:29,532 THAT TOM WAS FACING. 850 00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:33,336 I COULD SEE A CONSPIRACY IF HE WOULD'VE BEEN MURDERED 851 00:39:33,338 --> 00:39:36,206 IN GUNSHOT WOUNDS. 852 00:39:36,208 --> 00:39:39,542 WHILE BARON'S DEATH MAY SEEM SUSPICIOUS AT FIRST GLANCE, 853 00:39:39,544 --> 00:39:41,644 THE LOGISTICS OF COORDINATING A TRAIN 854 00:39:41,646 --> 00:39:45,248 TO CROSS THE TRACKS AT THE EXACT SAME TIME BARON'S CAR 855 00:39:45,250 --> 00:39:48,785 IS CROSSING THOSE TRACKS IS RIDICULOUSLY COMPLICATED. 856 00:39:48,787 --> 00:39:51,721 STANDING THERE AT THE CRASH SITE OVER 50 YEARS LATER, 857 00:39:51,723 --> 00:39:54,023 THE CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT BARON'S DEATH 858 00:39:54,025 --> 00:39:57,127 WAS SOMEHOW SUSPICIOUS JUST DOESN'T HOLD ANY WATER. 859 00:39:59,131 --> 00:40:01,097 IF NASA WAS GONNA TRY TO SILENCE HIM, THEY WOULD'VE DONE IT 860 00:40:01,099 --> 00:40:03,900 BEFORE THE CONGRESSIONAL HEARING AND THE INVESTIGATION. 861 00:40:03,902 --> 00:40:05,902 YEAH, HIS TESTIMONY WAS ALREADY GIVEN. 862 00:40:05,904 --> 00:40:08,071 EVERYTHING WAS ALREADY OUT. HE HAD NO MORE INFORMATION. 863 00:40:08,073 --> 00:40:09,139 RIGHT. WHAT'S THE BENEFIT? 864 00:40:09,141 --> 00:40:11,608 WHAT'S THE UPSIDE? THERE'S NO BENEFIT. 865 00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:14,611 I'M LEANING TOWARDS IT'S EITHER AN ACCIDENT, 866 00:40:14,613 --> 00:40:17,647 OR, UNFORTUNATELY, TOM DECIDED TO TAKE HIS LIFE 867 00:40:17,649 --> 00:40:19,149 AND PART OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS WITH IT. 868 00:40:19,151 --> 00:40:22,352 WHICH IS VERY SAD. 869 00:40:22,354 --> 00:40:24,354 REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT, 870 00:40:24,356 --> 00:40:26,990 THE 500-PAGE REPORT THAT BARON SUBMITTED TO CONGRESS 871 00:40:26,992 --> 00:40:30,360 IS STILL MISSING, AND IN THAT REPORT, 872 00:40:30,362 --> 00:40:31,928 HE CLAIMED THERE WAS RELEVANT INFORMATION 873 00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:35,031 ON THE FLAMMABILITY OF MATERIALS USED ON APOLLO 1. 874 00:40:35,033 --> 00:40:37,133 DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. 875 00:40:37,135 --> 00:40:39,769 THE WHOLE THING IS PRETTY CONVENIENT FOR NASA. 876 00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:48,678 ♪ 877 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,914 Jenkins: WE'VE DISCOVERED SOME SURPRISING SECRETS 878 00:40:50,916 --> 00:40:54,517 LURKING AT THE EDGES OF THE SPACE RACE TO THE MOON, 879 00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:56,986 AND WE'VE MADE IT AS FAR AS APOLLO 1. 880 00:40:56,988 --> 00:40:59,289 IT WOULD BE ANOTHER 2-1/2 YEARS BEFORE THE U.S. 881 00:40:59,291 --> 00:41:00,924 WAS READY TO LAUNCH TO THE MOON. 882 00:41:00,926 --> 00:41:02,192 Man: We have a lift off. 883 00:41:02,194 --> 00:41:03,860 Lift off on Apollo 11. 884 00:41:03,862 --> 00:41:06,963 THIS INVESTIGATION IS UNLIKE ANY I'VE EVER DONE BEFORE. 885 00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:09,265 SIMULATING THE APOLLO 1 CAPSULE DOOR 886 00:41:09,267 --> 00:41:11,401 AND TESTING THE CONDITIONS THAT LED TO THE FIRE 887 00:41:11,403 --> 00:41:12,735 REALLY HELPED US CONFIRM 888 00:41:12,737 --> 00:41:15,672 THAT NASA'S EXPLANATION COULD RULE OUT A CONSPIRACY. 889 00:41:15,674 --> 00:41:16,973 NASA HAD A LONG WAY TO GO, 890 00:41:16,975 --> 00:41:18,708 BUT THEY DIDN'T KILL THREE ASTRONAUTS 891 00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:22,378 OR ANYONE ELSE TO COVER UP THE SHORTCOMINGS IN THEIR PROGRAM. 892 00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:26,683 SO, MIKE, I GOT TO TELL YOU, AS TRAGIC AS IT WAS FOR THOMAS 893 00:41:26,685 --> 00:41:29,619 AND HIS FAMILY TO LOSE THEIR LIVES THAT DAY, 894 00:41:29,621 --> 00:41:32,655 THERE'S JUST NOTHING NEFARIOUS ABOUT IT. 895 00:41:32,657 --> 00:41:34,924 THE FACTS JUST DON'T ADD UP. 896 00:41:34,926 --> 00:41:38,595 YEAH, OKAY, BUT WHERE IS BARON'S 500-PAGE REPORT? 897 00:41:38,597 --> 00:41:40,964 HOW COME WE CAN'T FIND IT? 898 00:41:40,966 --> 00:41:43,967 IT STILL MAKES NO SENSE THAT SOMEONE AS ANAL AS BARON 899 00:41:43,969 --> 00:41:45,702 IS GONNA COMMIT SUICIDE BY TRAIN 900 00:41:45,704 --> 00:41:47,403 AND TAKE HIS ENTIRE FAMILY WITH HIM. 901 00:41:47,405 --> 00:41:51,241 I THINK NASA WAS RUNNING OUT OF TIME AND COVERING THEIR TRACKS. 902 00:41:51,243 --> 00:41:53,409 HEY, IT'S NOW JANUARY OF 1967. 903 00:41:53,411 --> 00:41:54,811 THREE MEN ARE DEAD. 904 00:41:54,813 --> 00:41:57,280 YOU'VE ONLY GOT THREE YEARS LEFT TO REACH JFK'S GOAL 905 00:41:57,282 --> 00:41:58,381 OF GETTING TO THE MOON, 906 00:41:58,383 --> 00:42:00,850 AND IT'S NOT POPULAR TO BRING THIS UP, 907 00:42:00,852 --> 00:42:03,786 BUT IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THEY MIGHT'VE CONSIDERED, 908 00:42:03,788 --> 00:42:05,889 AT THIS POINT, FAKING THE WHOLE THING? 909 00:42:05,891 --> 00:42:09,325 WE HAD 400,000 ENGINEERS, SCIENTISTS, 910 00:42:09,327 --> 00:42:11,160 ASTRONAUTS, MECHANICS. 911 00:42:11,162 --> 00:42:12,795 HOW COULD YOU KEEP A LID ON THIS? 912 00:42:12,797 --> 00:42:14,831 HOW COULD YOU FAKE THIS MOON LANDING? 913 00:42:14,833 --> 00:42:17,233 WELL, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T KEEP A LID ON IT. 914 00:42:17,235 --> 00:42:19,269 BRO, HERE HE GOES AGAIN. 915 00:42:19,271 --> 00:42:28,478 ♪ 81832

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