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I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 6 00:00:51,926 --> 00:00:56,097 He was one of the most notorious Mafia dons in American history. 7 00:00:56,222 --> 00:00:58,475 Born in the Bronx, raised in Brooklyn, 8 00:00:58,558 --> 00:01:01,227 John Gotti clawed his way to the top of the organization 9 00:01:01,311 --> 00:01:03,521 by any means necessary. 10 00:01:03,605 --> 00:01:06,608 Case in point -- the 1985 murder of Mafia boss 11 00:01:06,733 --> 00:01:09,736 Paul Castellano so that Gotti could take over 12 00:01:09,819 --> 00:01:12,572 the powerful Gambino crime family. 13 00:01:12,655 --> 00:01:14,741 Law enforcement and even other goodfellas 14 00:01:14,866 --> 00:01:17,869 considered Gotti dangerous and unpredictable. 15 00:01:17,952 --> 00:01:20,955 And for many years, he seemed unstoppable, 16 00:01:21,081 --> 00:01:25,585 until a secret FBI operation finally ended Gotti's reign. 17 00:01:25,710 --> 00:01:28,546 This is part 2 of "John Gotti." 18 00:01:28,630 --> 00:01:34,219 ♪♪ 19 00:01:34,302 --> 00:01:41,851 ♪♪ 20 00:01:41,935 --> 00:01:46,606 Louis DiBono was an associate of the crime family. 21 00:01:46,731 --> 00:01:49,651 Papa: DiBono was in construction. 22 00:01:49,776 --> 00:01:52,779 Helped build the World Trade Center. 23 00:01:52,862 --> 00:01:57,534 All of a sudden, he disappeared. 24 00:01:57,617 --> 00:02:00,995 Papa: He was missing for a few days. 25 00:02:01,121 --> 00:02:03,623 Nobody could find him. 26 00:02:03,748 --> 00:02:06,459 Gabriel: We had actually gotten informant information 27 00:02:06,543 --> 00:02:10,171 that indicated -- they said, "Hey, Louie DiBono's dead. 28 00:02:10,296 --> 00:02:12,590 He was left in a very public place. 29 00:02:12,674 --> 00:02:15,760 You should be able to find the body." 30 00:02:15,844 --> 00:02:18,263 Papa: The irony of Louis DiBono's death was, 31 00:02:18,346 --> 00:02:22,475 here he was in construction, built the world trade center, 32 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,146 and his body was found in the parking lot 33 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:28,815 of the World Trade Center. 34 00:02:28,940 --> 00:02:30,483 Gabriel: DiBono was laying dead in his car 35 00:02:30,608 --> 00:02:32,986 for two days in the parking lot. 36 00:02:33,069 --> 00:02:35,155 Somebody that thought this guy was asleep 37 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,741 knocked on the window and realized he was dead. 38 00:02:37,824 --> 00:02:39,659 He'd been just sitting there for two days. 39 00:02:39,743 --> 00:02:41,494 Nobody had noticed. 40 00:02:42,954 --> 00:02:46,041 Papa: Gotti used DiBono, actually, as an example. 41 00:02:46,166 --> 00:02:50,003 He would teach lessons, and if anybody was disloyal 42 00:02:50,128 --> 00:02:53,506 or anybody wasn't listening to John Gotti, 43 00:02:53,590 --> 00:02:56,509 there were fatal consequences. 44 00:02:56,634 --> 00:03:01,806 Gotti, at one point, wanted to talk with him. 45 00:03:01,890 --> 00:03:05,185 DiBono wouldn't meet with him or wouldn't answer his telephones. 46 00:03:05,268 --> 00:03:09,314 DiBono didn't want to do what Gotti was telling him to do. 47 00:03:09,397 --> 00:03:11,941 And for that reason, for not coming 48 00:03:12,025 --> 00:03:18,031 when Gotti wanted him to come, Gotti decided that he had to go. 49 00:03:20,867 --> 00:03:23,036 DiBono was going to his car, 50 00:03:23,161 --> 00:03:28,500 and an assassination team followed him, 51 00:03:28,583 --> 00:03:31,878 cased it out... 52 00:03:32,003 --> 00:03:36,341 shot him dead in the car, and got out of there. 53 00:03:38,635 --> 00:03:42,222 Was John Gotti an evil or vicious person? 54 00:03:42,305 --> 00:03:44,057 Absolutely, he was. 55 00:03:56,361 --> 00:04:01,199 ♪♪ 56 00:04:01,282 --> 00:04:07,247 Schumacher: In 1985, John Gotti was a capo in the Gambino crime family. 57 00:04:07,372 --> 00:04:10,458 Capos, or captains, are really like crew chiefs. 58 00:04:10,583 --> 00:04:14,254 They're responsible for either different areas of geography 59 00:04:14,337 --> 00:04:17,966 or of different types of crimes that they're focused on. 60 00:04:18,091 --> 00:04:24,931 And these capos have under them soldiers and associates. 61 00:04:25,056 --> 00:04:28,101 The Gambino crime family was the largest crime family 62 00:04:28,184 --> 00:04:29,436 in the greater New York area. 63 00:04:29,561 --> 00:04:32,939 They were extremely powerful and were involved 64 00:04:33,064 --> 00:04:36,609 in just a vast array of criminal enterprises, 65 00:04:36,693 --> 00:04:39,738 everything from bookmaking and loan-sharking, 66 00:04:39,821 --> 00:04:42,532 up to their control of unions, 67 00:04:42,615 --> 00:04:45,577 involvement with the construction industry. 68 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:49,372 The Gambinos were one of the five Mafia families in New York, 69 00:04:49,456 --> 00:04:54,169 and this was the structure of organized crime. 70 00:04:54,294 --> 00:04:57,756 In 1985, Paul Castellano was the boss 71 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,175 of the Gambino crime family. 72 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:02,594 Gotti didn't think highly of him at all. 73 00:05:02,677 --> 00:05:04,387 He thought, frankly, that Castellano 74 00:05:04,471 --> 00:05:07,640 should never have been put in the position he was put in. 75 00:05:07,766 --> 00:05:11,853 Gotti decides that Castellano has to go. 76 00:05:11,978 --> 00:05:13,313 DeStefano: And that's what happened. 77 00:05:13,438 --> 00:05:18,360 He went after Castellano and set up the infamous 78 00:05:18,485 --> 00:05:23,531 December 1985 assassination of Castellano 79 00:05:23,656 --> 00:05:26,868 in front of Sparks Steak House. 80 00:05:26,993 --> 00:05:28,536 Schumacher: After Castellano's death, 81 00:05:28,661 --> 00:05:31,498 Gotti makes a bid to become the boss, 82 00:05:31,581 --> 00:05:34,292 and he ultimately does become the boss. 83 00:05:34,376 --> 00:05:39,381 ♪♪ 84 00:05:39,506 --> 00:05:43,301 Once John Gotti becomes the head of the Gambino crime family, 85 00:05:43,385 --> 00:05:48,431 what emerges is a very unprecedented 86 00:05:48,515 --> 00:05:51,893 and very public head of a mob family. 87 00:05:52,018 --> 00:05:55,480 Elevation to stardom in the Mafia 88 00:05:55,563 --> 00:05:59,359 was a sea change for John Gotti. 89 00:05:59,442 --> 00:06:00,652 Before he became boss, 90 00:06:00,735 --> 00:06:04,864 he was known as sort of a casual dresser, 91 00:06:04,948 --> 00:06:08,201 often seen walking around in jackets, 92 00:06:08,326 --> 00:06:11,371 one of which was for the Oakland Raiders. 93 00:06:11,496 --> 00:06:16,084 And, suddenly, overnight, his whole attire changed. 94 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:19,421 He started wearing hand-painted ties, 95 00:06:19,546 --> 00:06:22,465 believe it or not, monogrammed socks. 96 00:06:22,549 --> 00:06:27,721 He would show up in these, you know, $1,000 Armani suits. 97 00:06:27,846 --> 00:06:30,056 He would be dapper John. 98 00:06:30,181 --> 00:06:33,518 He got his hair done every day, got a shave. 99 00:06:33,601 --> 00:06:38,148 He switched his whole lifestyle from being a Queens hood 100 00:06:38,231 --> 00:06:43,528 to being this sort of boss-of-bosses-type character. 101 00:06:48,450 --> 00:06:52,954 Morrill: John Gotti was truly a wolf in sheep's clothing. 102 00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:55,832 The John Gotti that I knew was a common criminal, 103 00:06:55,915 --> 00:07:01,171 and crime took no holiday when it was in John's hands. 104 00:07:01,254 --> 00:07:05,300 Cardinale: His presence was such that if he were annoyed 105 00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:07,927 or if he was mad, you couldn't miss it. 106 00:07:08,053 --> 00:07:10,930 It would be like a storm brewing. 107 00:07:11,014 --> 00:07:12,766 You could see it in his eyes. 108 00:07:12,849 --> 00:07:15,727 His eyes, in my view, would literally change color 109 00:07:15,810 --> 00:07:20,982 and become really, really dark when he was really infuriated. 110 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:23,943 He was somebody who had no issues at all 111 00:07:24,069 --> 00:07:27,822 about brow-beating people within his organization. 112 00:07:27,947 --> 00:07:30,450 He sent out a warning to the capos 113 00:07:30,575 --> 00:07:32,410 and everybody else in the family 114 00:07:32,494 --> 00:07:37,374 that if they were picked up on any kind of recording or bug, 115 00:07:37,457 --> 00:07:39,584 they would be met with death. 116 00:07:41,795 --> 00:07:43,797 Gabriel: These guys are dangerous people. 117 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,965 Killing is in their fabric. 118 00:07:46,049 --> 00:07:48,635 They're able to turn on people on a dime. 119 00:07:48,718 --> 00:07:52,639 If they feel threatened in any way, their reaction to it is, 120 00:07:52,764 --> 00:07:55,642 "That guy's got to go," period, and he goes. 121 00:07:57,310 --> 00:07:59,646 And it's your friend who's doing it. 122 00:07:59,729 --> 00:08:05,026 So there's a different level of ruthlessness behind that. 123 00:08:05,151 --> 00:08:09,364 And John Gotti was the epitome of that. 124 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:12,325 If you crossed John Gotti, 125 00:08:12,409 --> 00:08:15,453 you were probably going to be dead within 24 hours. 126 00:08:15,537 --> 00:08:19,833 It was part of his whole homicidal character. 127 00:08:19,958 --> 00:08:22,335 He didn't care what the consequences were. 128 00:08:22,419 --> 00:08:28,675 ♪♪ 129 00:08:31,094 --> 00:08:34,848 ♪♪ 130 00:08:34,973 --> 00:08:37,267 There comes a time when John Gotti allegedly 131 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:39,602 has a dispute with a refrigerator repairman 132 00:08:39,686 --> 00:08:42,564 named Romual Piecyk. 133 00:08:42,689 --> 00:08:46,776 Raab: Gotti went to a bar in Queens, 134 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:49,362 and he double-parked. 135 00:08:49,446 --> 00:08:53,366 And Gotti saw this guy honking, whose car he had blocked, 136 00:08:53,491 --> 00:08:56,911 and he walked over and told him to go [bleep] himself. 137 00:08:57,037 --> 00:09:00,832 And this repairman talked back to him. 138 00:09:00,915 --> 00:09:02,709 So, in typical Gotti fashion, 139 00:09:02,792 --> 00:09:05,211 they started beating up this guy. 140 00:09:05,337 --> 00:09:07,714 Cardinale: Gotti was a street guy. 141 00:09:07,797 --> 00:09:11,217 He was not a kind of person you'd want to get mad. 142 00:09:11,343 --> 00:09:16,306 Raab: They took his money and then drove off. 143 00:09:16,389 --> 00:09:18,600 Gotti didn't expect any problem. 144 00:09:18,725 --> 00:09:20,727 Cardinale: The guy then goes to the police, 145 00:09:20,810 --> 00:09:23,480 claims that he was attacked for no reason, 146 00:09:23,563 --> 00:09:26,024 and John gets arrested. 147 00:09:29,069 --> 00:09:31,613 Gabriel: It's not until a year or two later, 148 00:09:31,738 --> 00:09:34,991 that matter now comes to trial. 149 00:09:35,075 --> 00:09:36,951 Raab: And, suddenly, Gotti, instead of being 150 00:09:37,077 --> 00:09:41,956 this almost nobody in Queens, now is a big figure. 151 00:09:42,082 --> 00:09:44,042 He's the head of the Gambino family. 152 00:09:44,125 --> 00:09:45,877 The refrigerator repairman, 153 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,256 suddenly realizing who he got into a scuffle with, 154 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:52,842 got this case of amnesia. 155 00:09:52,926 --> 00:09:55,303 Papa: He realized who he was dealing with 156 00:09:55,428 --> 00:09:57,889 and he didn't want to deal with the consequences. 157 00:09:57,972 --> 00:10:00,934 He testified that he didn't know who that man was. 158 00:10:01,017 --> 00:10:02,977 He didn't know who John Gotti was. 159 00:10:03,103 --> 00:10:05,605 He didn't remember anything that happened to him. 160 00:10:05,689 --> 00:10:09,067 And so that whole case just went up in smoke. 161 00:10:11,736 --> 00:10:14,364 Raab: Of course, Gotti walked. 162 00:10:14,447 --> 00:10:17,742 To him, it was an example of how invincible he was. 163 00:10:17,826 --> 00:10:25,417 ♪♪ 164 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:28,128 Man: John Gotti was in Brooklyn federal court on Monday. 165 00:10:28,211 --> 00:10:31,631 Gotti and six co-defendants were charged under the Rico Act, 166 00:10:31,715 --> 00:10:35,969 which stands for racketeer influenced corrupt organization. 167 00:10:36,094 --> 00:10:39,514 Gabriel: He's indicted in the early '80s. 168 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:42,767 It's street-level criminal activity. 169 00:10:42,851 --> 00:10:44,352 It's a loan-sharking case. 170 00:10:44,477 --> 00:10:47,689 It's gambling. It's some hijackings. 171 00:10:47,814 --> 00:10:50,025 It's been lingering for a while, so in '86, 172 00:10:50,150 --> 00:10:52,110 when that case finally comes to trial, 173 00:10:52,193 --> 00:10:56,197 this is a another shot to take him off the street. 174 00:10:56,322 --> 00:11:00,493 Man: John Gotti had been free on $1 million bail, pending trial. 175 00:11:00,577 --> 00:11:02,829 Officials say they confiscated several cigars 176 00:11:02,912 --> 00:11:05,040 and locked Gotti up. 177 00:11:05,165 --> 00:11:08,501 The alleged godfather is a man with considerable charisma. 178 00:11:08,626 --> 00:11:11,838 But prosecutors hope to put that charisma behind bars 179 00:11:11,921 --> 00:11:13,715 for the next 40 years. 180 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,218 The prosecutors were not particularly experienced, 181 00:11:17,344 --> 00:11:19,137 but they were optimistic that they could 182 00:11:19,220 --> 00:11:20,680 somehow pull this off. 183 00:11:20,805 --> 00:11:23,183 This case went on and on. 184 00:11:23,308 --> 00:11:25,393 It went on for months. 185 00:11:25,518 --> 00:11:28,563 We would ask him, "How's it going in the trial?" 186 00:11:28,688 --> 00:11:29,898 And he would say, "Oh, we're going to 187 00:11:30,023 --> 00:11:31,316 win this case no problem." 188 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:33,318 Man: None of the people on trial looked nervous, 189 00:11:33,401 --> 00:11:35,195 even though they could have faced 40 years 190 00:11:35,278 --> 00:11:37,155 in prison if convicted. 191 00:11:39,824 --> 00:11:46,331 Ultimately, the jury in march of 1987, declared Gotti not guilty. 192 00:11:46,414 --> 00:11:50,043 Papa: He was acquitted in that case, as well. 193 00:11:50,168 --> 00:11:53,546 Raab: The truth is, it was a fixed trial. 194 00:11:53,630 --> 00:11:55,256 Gotti had no way of losing. 195 00:11:55,382 --> 00:11:57,884 DeStefano: His underlings had learned about 196 00:11:57,967 --> 00:11:59,928 the identity of a juror 197 00:12:00,053 --> 00:12:02,389 and approached the juror with an offer -- 198 00:12:02,472 --> 00:12:04,974 $60,000, give or take. 199 00:12:05,058 --> 00:12:10,522 And the juror was essentially agreeing to hang the jury. 200 00:12:10,605 --> 00:12:13,525 Schumacher: In Gotti's world, Sammy Gravano was his underboss. 201 00:12:13,608 --> 00:12:18,530 He was his right-hand man on all the important endeavors. 202 00:12:18,613 --> 00:12:19,989 Sammy Gravano was actually the guy 203 00:12:20,073 --> 00:12:23,076 that delivered the money to pay this juror off. 204 00:12:23,201 --> 00:12:29,416 Gravano: I worked out a deal with him for $60,000 to find him not guilty. 205 00:12:30,875 --> 00:12:32,127 DeStefano: It wasn't a case of good defense 206 00:12:32,252 --> 00:12:34,587 in that case for Gotti. 207 00:12:34,713 --> 00:12:36,589 Simply a classic corruption case. 208 00:12:36,673 --> 00:12:43,638 ♪♪ 209 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:46,850 Announcer: Welcome to "Larry King Live." 210 00:12:46,933 --> 00:12:51,271 Tonight, will they finally get the godfather? 211 00:12:51,354 --> 00:12:52,939 King: Reputed to be the boss of the nation's 212 00:12:53,064 --> 00:12:54,774 most powerful Mafia crime family, 213 00:12:54,858 --> 00:12:57,110 Gotti is charged with ordering the shooting 214 00:12:57,193 --> 00:12:59,821 of a union official. 215 00:12:59,946 --> 00:13:01,656 Feldman: During the late '80s, John O'Connor 216 00:13:01,781 --> 00:13:04,242 was a union leader in New York City. 217 00:13:04,325 --> 00:13:07,078 And he ended up having a confrontation 218 00:13:07,162 --> 00:13:09,205 with the Gambino crime family. 219 00:13:09,289 --> 00:13:14,127 And in retribution, John Gotti and the Gambino family allegedly 220 00:13:14,252 --> 00:13:16,004 went after John O'Connor. 221 00:13:16,129 --> 00:13:19,174 And O'Connor was shot multiple times, 222 00:13:19,299 --> 00:13:21,968 although he did survive the shooting. 223 00:13:22,052 --> 00:13:24,512 A lot of people who observed the trial at the time 224 00:13:24,637 --> 00:13:27,015 thought the evidence was pretty strong. 225 00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:30,727 There were tapes where he said, "I'm going to bust them up. 226 00:13:41,988 --> 00:13:44,282 Man: But O'Connor, the man with the white hair, 227 00:13:44,366 --> 00:13:47,869 was subpoenaed by Gotti to testify for the defense. 228 00:13:47,994 --> 00:13:50,455 He dealt the government a major blow. 229 00:13:50,538 --> 00:13:51,831 Raab: He testified, in effect, 230 00:13:51,915 --> 00:13:54,584 that he never heard anything from John Gotti. 231 00:13:54,668 --> 00:13:56,336 He didn't know who shot him. 232 00:13:56,419 --> 00:13:58,880 Man: The Gotti case will go to the jury early next week. 233 00:13:59,005 --> 00:14:00,215 If he is found not guilty, 234 00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:02,175 it would be the third time in a row 235 00:14:02,258 --> 00:14:04,344 that the government would have failed to convict Gotti, 236 00:14:04,469 --> 00:14:07,430 and that, said one longtime courtroom observer, 237 00:14:07,514 --> 00:14:11,935 would make the government look "pretty stupid." 238 00:14:12,018 --> 00:14:15,355 Man: We find him not guilty. 239 00:14:15,438 --> 00:14:17,190 He was acquitted in that case 240 00:14:17,315 --> 00:14:21,152 and he walked out of there scot-free. 241 00:14:21,236 --> 00:14:24,698 What was unknown until later, that this jury 242 00:14:24,781 --> 00:14:27,033 also might have been fixed. 243 00:14:27,158 --> 00:14:30,036 Gravano: He knew that, at bare minimum, 244 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,287 he had a hung jury. 245 00:14:31,371 --> 00:14:33,123 He wasn't going to get found guilty. 246 00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:34,916 I got it. 247 00:14:35,041 --> 00:14:37,419 Woman: A shake and a kiss from his lawyer, and with that, 248 00:14:37,544 --> 00:14:40,547 he was off and running, Gotti looking more like Rocky, 249 00:14:40,630 --> 00:14:43,341 pumped up with the victory of his latest legal bought. 250 00:14:43,425 --> 00:14:45,593 [ People cheering ] 251 00:14:45,719 --> 00:14:47,137 When he left the courthouse that day, 252 00:14:47,220 --> 00:14:49,139 there were thousands of people 253 00:14:49,222 --> 00:14:51,516 waiting outside, cheering for him. 254 00:14:51,599 --> 00:14:52,767 Man: It was his third acquittal 255 00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:56,021 in three separate cases since 1986. 256 00:14:56,104 --> 00:14:58,940 DeStefano: That gave him the reputation as the Teflon Don, 257 00:14:59,065 --> 00:15:00,900 when no charges could stick, it seemed. 258 00:15:01,026 --> 00:15:03,028 Man: Legal experts say the bumbling of state 259 00:15:03,111 --> 00:15:05,905 and federal prosecutors in the past four years 260 00:15:05,989 --> 00:15:08,408 has given Gotti an aura of invincibility. 261 00:15:08,491 --> 00:15:12,287 Here, we have this guy that just keeps thumbing his nose 262 00:15:12,412 --> 00:15:14,748 at law enforcement, keeps winning 263 00:15:14,831 --> 00:15:17,334 these criminal cases in the public's eye, 264 00:15:17,417 --> 00:15:20,128 and we got to find a way to put him in jail. 265 00:15:20,253 --> 00:15:22,964 The feds were getting pretty frustrated 266 00:15:23,089 --> 00:15:27,093 and really wanted to take this guy down. 267 00:15:27,177 --> 00:15:32,599 Subsequent to that, the FBI made Gotti a priority. 268 00:15:32,682 --> 00:15:34,225 Woman: The way things have been going, though, 269 00:15:34,309 --> 00:15:37,771 no one's betting on who gets the last laugh. 270 00:15:37,854 --> 00:15:43,985 ♪♪ 271 00:15:46,988 --> 00:15:49,115 What did you think when you would read your father's name 272 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,076 and the word "gangster"? 273 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:52,202 What did you feel, think? 274 00:15:52,285 --> 00:15:53,953 Well, it was never about that. 275 00:15:54,079 --> 00:15:55,497 It was always about the exposure. 276 00:15:55,622 --> 00:15:59,292 It was always about dealing with the publicity. 277 00:15:59,376 --> 00:16:00,919 It was overwhelming. 278 00:16:01,002 --> 00:16:02,337 It's something that you really have to get used to, 279 00:16:02,462 --> 00:16:05,757 and I think you really never fully do. 280 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:10,261 Mob bosses normally like to be as low-key 281 00:16:10,345 --> 00:16:11,971 as they possibly can be 282 00:16:12,055 --> 00:16:15,183 so as not to attract the attention of law enforcement. 283 00:16:15,308 --> 00:16:16,976 Gotti was a different kind of guy. 284 00:16:17,060 --> 00:16:18,770 He was not low-key. 285 00:16:18,853 --> 00:16:22,315 Schumacher: He was not afraid of public attention. 286 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:24,317 He was a little bit like Al Capone 287 00:16:24,442 --> 00:16:28,822 in that he really reveled in becoming a celebrity. 288 00:16:28,905 --> 00:16:33,159 And the New York tabloids in particular just loved him. 289 00:16:33,284 --> 00:16:37,205 John took on this persona. "I'm John Gotti, world. 290 00:16:37,330 --> 00:16:38,998 Come see me and know me." 291 00:16:39,082 --> 00:16:41,334 Raab: He decided that he was so important 292 00:16:41,459 --> 00:16:42,711 that nobody could touch him. 293 00:16:42,836 --> 00:16:45,797 He commanded large print headlines 294 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,424 in all the local tabloids. 295 00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:51,136 He wanted the attention. He loved the attention. 296 00:16:51,219 --> 00:16:52,554 How do you feel, Mr. Gotti? 297 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:53,722 Pretty good. 298 00:16:53,847 --> 00:16:57,767 A real collaborator of John Gotti 299 00:16:57,851 --> 00:17:00,687 and his image was the media. 300 00:17:00,770 --> 00:17:04,983 Feldman: John Gotti and the press had this interesting relationship, 301 00:17:05,066 --> 00:17:07,402 because both parties benefited. 302 00:17:07,527 --> 00:17:08,945 John Gotti felt, I think, 303 00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:13,199 that the press coverage enhanced his bona fides 304 00:17:13,324 --> 00:17:17,037 for the mob family that he was in control off. 305 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:19,706 The press, in turn, knew he made good headlines, 306 00:17:19,789 --> 00:17:22,375 he made good footage for the evening news. 307 00:17:22,459 --> 00:17:25,211 And Gotti was very good at manipulating the press. 308 00:17:25,295 --> 00:17:29,049 He occasionally would flip cash to homeless people 309 00:17:29,174 --> 00:17:30,508 who might have been camped out in front 310 00:17:30,592 --> 00:17:32,052 of some of the courthouses. 311 00:17:32,135 --> 00:17:35,055 And, of course, he was savvy enough to know that, 312 00:17:35,138 --> 00:17:36,890 what footage made the news that night? 313 00:17:37,015 --> 00:17:39,351 It was John Gotti giving money to the homeless. 314 00:17:39,434 --> 00:17:41,811 He's going to give you some money. 315 00:17:41,895 --> 00:17:43,104 Here's some money. 316 00:17:43,229 --> 00:17:45,482 Man: The head of the Gambino crime family, 317 00:17:45,565 --> 00:17:47,567 a real-life godfather. 318 00:17:47,650 --> 00:17:49,069 There's a two-edged sword kind of here, though, 319 00:17:49,152 --> 00:17:52,238 because the press liked him, didn't they? 320 00:17:52,364 --> 00:17:54,991 Wasn't John Gotti a figure they liked to cover? 321 00:17:55,075 --> 00:17:57,911 Well, he was very likable, just his personality. 322 00:17:58,036 --> 00:17:59,621 He responded to them, he talked to them when he walked, right? 323 00:17:59,746 --> 00:18:04,042 Yeah. I think that without having to respond, he responded. 324 00:18:04,125 --> 00:18:08,088 It was just that kind of a seduction. 325 00:18:08,213 --> 00:18:12,676 The press romanticized him, glorified him, glamorized him. 326 00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:16,179 Woman: Gotti oozes mobster mystique from his silver hair 327 00:18:16,262 --> 00:18:19,140 to his supposedly monogrammed socks. 328 00:18:19,265 --> 00:18:22,644 "Dressed to kill" is how the tabloids describe him. 329 00:18:22,769 --> 00:18:27,607 He was a celebrity, plain and simple. 330 00:18:27,732 --> 00:18:31,361 Raab: Gotti was not only popular with the press in New York, 331 00:18:31,444 --> 00:18:33,571 he was popular in his neighborhood. 332 00:18:33,655 --> 00:18:36,616 Woman: Hundreds of people gathered for an all-day block party 333 00:18:36,741 --> 00:18:38,785 with free hot dogs and hamburgers, 334 00:18:38,868 --> 00:18:40,620 all apparently courtesy of the man 335 00:18:40,704 --> 00:18:42,288 they call the "Dapper Don," 336 00:18:42,414 --> 00:18:44,582 reputed New York crime boss John Gotti. 337 00:18:44,666 --> 00:18:47,627 John Gotti seemed to be the Robin Hood 338 00:18:47,711 --> 00:18:49,295 in his neighborhood. 339 00:18:49,379 --> 00:18:52,340 He would have a fourth of July party 340 00:18:52,465 --> 00:18:56,094 and he would fund the party and the fireworks. 341 00:18:59,389 --> 00:19:04,060 I know him as a lovely person who always says hello. 342 00:19:04,144 --> 00:19:08,398 People really regarded him, in a way, as a folk hero 343 00:19:08,481 --> 00:19:11,818 and as somebody who brought joy to their neighborhood. 344 00:19:11,901 --> 00:19:13,862 They looked at him as a leader, 345 00:19:13,987 --> 00:19:16,406 as someone who was protecting them. 346 00:19:16,489 --> 00:19:19,909 There's always been this aura in this country with the Mafia. 347 00:19:19,993 --> 00:19:24,497 DeStefano: It was part of the myth at that mafiosi or the Mafia 348 00:19:24,622 --> 00:19:27,375 was really a benevolent association. 349 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:30,587 What they didn't appreciate, of course, 350 00:19:30,670 --> 00:19:32,714 is what that was hiding, 351 00:19:32,839 --> 00:19:38,636 and what was hiding was somebody who was a ruthless killer. 352 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,765 Schumacher: We know for sure that John Gotti was involved, 353 00:19:41,848 --> 00:19:43,892 in one way or another, with five murders, 354 00:19:44,017 --> 00:19:46,853 but being the boss of the Gambino crime family 355 00:19:46,978 --> 00:19:48,855 and being a capo before that, 356 00:19:48,980 --> 00:19:52,567 it's almost certain that the number is higher. 357 00:19:52,692 --> 00:19:55,111 There was never really a lot of coverage 358 00:19:55,195 --> 00:19:58,948 about what a murderous criminal he was. 359 00:19:59,032 --> 00:20:00,950 This is not some Robin Hood. 360 00:20:01,034 --> 00:20:04,204 This is a person who is a plain hood. 361 00:20:04,287 --> 00:20:09,542 ♪♪ 362 00:20:11,378 --> 00:20:16,841 ♪♪ 363 00:20:16,925 --> 00:20:19,678 Welcome back to "Very Scary People." 364 00:20:19,761 --> 00:20:23,556 In public, John Gotti was known for his swagger, coiffed hair 365 00:20:23,682 --> 00:20:25,392 and brash personality. 366 00:20:25,517 --> 00:20:27,143 Many in his neighborhood of Howard Beach 367 00:20:27,227 --> 00:20:30,730 considered him generous, a modern-day Robin Hood. 368 00:20:30,814 --> 00:20:33,400 But behind the scenes, gangster Gotti was running 369 00:20:33,483 --> 00:20:36,194 the violent Gambino crime family. 370 00:20:36,277 --> 00:20:38,071 Time and time again, he proved 371 00:20:38,196 --> 00:20:40,490 he would let no one stand in his way. 372 00:20:40,573 --> 00:20:43,952 ♪♪ 373 00:20:44,077 --> 00:20:46,663 DeStefano: Gotti was a guy who wanted to be a gangster, 374 00:20:46,746 --> 00:20:48,248 and in his mind, to be a gangster, 375 00:20:48,373 --> 00:20:49,582 you had to be tough. 376 00:20:49,666 --> 00:20:50,875 You had to want to kill. 377 00:20:50,959 --> 00:20:54,879 The Robert DiBernardo case was key in point. 378 00:20:54,963 --> 00:20:58,091 DiBernardo was a very well-known 379 00:20:58,216 --> 00:21:00,927 and respected member of the Gambino family. 380 00:21:01,052 --> 00:21:04,639 Papa: DiBernardo was sort of an independent operator 381 00:21:04,764 --> 00:21:09,436 but made a lot of money in the porn business. 382 00:21:09,519 --> 00:21:13,565 Gabriel: Word gets sent to John that Robert DiBernardo 383 00:21:13,648 --> 00:21:18,445 was talking behind John's back, he's being disloyal. 384 00:21:18,570 --> 00:21:21,489 So John says, "Alright, if that's true, kill him. 385 00:21:21,614 --> 00:21:22,657 He's got to go." 386 00:21:22,782 --> 00:21:25,952 John is that quick to turn on him. 387 00:21:26,036 --> 00:21:28,204 DeStefano: Gravano said he tried to talk him out of it. 388 00:21:28,288 --> 00:21:30,081 "That's no real reason to kill him. 389 00:21:30,165 --> 00:21:31,624 For insults?" 390 00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:32,959 Gravano: When he ordered a hit, 391 00:21:33,043 --> 00:21:35,962 he wanted it done yesterday. 392 00:21:36,087 --> 00:21:38,298 He would send me to supervise or control it 393 00:21:38,381 --> 00:21:42,635 or make sure the job got done. 394 00:21:42,719 --> 00:21:44,471 And I obviously did. 395 00:21:46,431 --> 00:21:47,974 DeStefano: So, they had DiBernardo come 396 00:21:48,058 --> 00:21:49,392 to a meeting in Brooklyn to -- 397 00:21:49,476 --> 00:21:51,144 I think it was Sammy's office. 398 00:21:51,227 --> 00:21:54,606 And while they were making coffee and DiBernardo 399 00:21:54,689 --> 00:21:57,984 was distracted by talking to Gravano, 400 00:21:58,068 --> 00:22:00,653 an old man, "Old Man Paruta," 401 00:22:00,737 --> 00:22:04,157 I think was the name, came up behind DiBernardo 402 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,913 and shot him in the head and killed him right there. 403 00:22:09,996 --> 00:22:11,998 Papa: Robert DiBernardo was never seen 404 00:22:12,082 --> 00:22:15,210 or heard from again, and they never found his body. 405 00:22:15,335 --> 00:22:24,844 ♪♪ 406 00:22:24,928 --> 00:22:30,141 Feldman: John Gotti was the number-one target for the government, 407 00:22:30,225 --> 00:22:33,311 partly because he was rubbing it in their faces, 408 00:22:33,395 --> 00:22:35,438 and government officials at the time 409 00:22:35,522 --> 00:22:37,732 were very open about saying that. 410 00:22:37,857 --> 00:22:40,819 He was somebody they could not permit 411 00:22:40,902 --> 00:22:44,114 to have that kind of power, if you will. 412 00:22:44,197 --> 00:22:48,034 The feds were going to have to make a better case. 413 00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:49,160 How do you do that? 414 00:22:49,244 --> 00:22:51,371 They needed quality evidence. 415 00:22:51,496 --> 00:22:55,792 ♪♪ 416 00:22:55,875 --> 00:22:58,795 Papa: John Gotti inherited the Ravenite Social Club 417 00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:01,673 in Mulberry Street in little Italy. 418 00:23:01,756 --> 00:23:06,052 And this is where he had his meetings with his colleagues 419 00:23:06,136 --> 00:23:09,514 and with his crew members. 420 00:23:09,597 --> 00:23:12,475 The feds actually rented a location 421 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:15,478 about a block or two north. 422 00:23:15,562 --> 00:23:18,732 And they started video surveillance 423 00:23:18,857 --> 00:23:23,278 of Gotti along that street. 424 00:23:23,403 --> 00:23:24,863 They would see his habits 425 00:23:24,946 --> 00:23:27,240 and they would see who was showing up. 426 00:23:27,365 --> 00:23:30,201 But that wasn't quite enough, 427 00:23:30,285 --> 00:23:31,745 and so what they needed to do is, 428 00:23:31,870 --> 00:23:33,997 they needed to have recordings 429 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,208 of John Gotti having conversations. 430 00:23:37,292 --> 00:23:40,754 He would come out and do what we dubbed "walk talks." 431 00:23:40,879 --> 00:23:44,090 So they would walk down the street -- 432 00:23:44,174 --> 00:23:45,508 sometimes, it's whispering -- 433 00:23:45,592 --> 00:23:47,927 so they can have a good criminal conversation, 434 00:23:48,053 --> 00:23:49,763 where it's very tough to bug. 435 00:23:49,888 --> 00:23:53,141 So I started experimenting with parabolic mics. 436 00:23:53,266 --> 00:23:55,435 I'm putting them in roof racks of vehicles, 437 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,397 trying to cover as much of the street as I can. 438 00:23:59,481 --> 00:24:02,734 But it didn't lead to very much evidence. 439 00:24:05,153 --> 00:24:07,614 We eventually put a bug in the Ravenite. 440 00:24:07,697 --> 00:24:11,034 And those bugs go on for several, several months. 441 00:24:11,117 --> 00:24:14,621 We get snippets of criminal conversation, 442 00:24:14,746 --> 00:24:17,040 but the clubs are very noisy. 443 00:24:17,123 --> 00:24:19,876 The conversations are broken up. 444 00:24:19,959 --> 00:24:21,252 DeStefano: They realized, at certain points, 445 00:24:21,336 --> 00:24:23,088 that Gotti would be absent 446 00:24:23,171 --> 00:24:25,131 from the conversations. 447 00:24:25,256 --> 00:24:28,134 And they were watching the club and they said, 448 00:24:28,218 --> 00:24:29,594 "He never left the building. 449 00:24:29,678 --> 00:24:31,179 Where did he go?" 450 00:24:31,304 --> 00:24:32,889 Gabriel: I'm hearing he's disappearing 451 00:24:32,972 --> 00:24:35,475 for like 45 minutes or an hour. 452 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,061 And, again, I'm checking my surveillance tapes, 453 00:24:38,144 --> 00:24:40,313 and he's still in the building. 454 00:24:40,397 --> 00:24:42,148 He hasn't left. 455 00:24:42,232 --> 00:24:44,526 Where is he? 456 00:24:44,651 --> 00:24:47,696 Papa: Then they realized that John Gotti 457 00:24:47,821 --> 00:24:52,826 was using an apartment over the Ravenite Social Club. 458 00:24:52,951 --> 00:24:55,370 This belonged to an older woman. 459 00:24:55,495 --> 00:24:57,038 And they would go up there, 460 00:24:57,163 --> 00:24:58,998 and they would sit in the living room, 461 00:24:59,082 --> 00:25:01,292 having a conversation. 462 00:25:01,376 --> 00:25:03,336 That was crucial. 463 00:25:05,797 --> 00:25:08,258 Feldman: They needed to plant listening devices 464 00:25:08,341 --> 00:25:11,011 in the old lady's apartment. 465 00:25:11,094 --> 00:25:12,929 But how do you do that? 466 00:25:13,013 --> 00:25:16,641 Because she was almost always there. 467 00:25:16,725 --> 00:25:20,311 Gabriel: I put a device known as a pen register on her phone -- 468 00:25:20,395 --> 00:25:23,773 it monitors activity -- figuring that would give me some clues 469 00:25:23,857 --> 00:25:27,527 as to when she was around or wasn't around. 470 00:25:27,610 --> 00:25:31,031 I have a deal with my tech guys that if I can assure them that 471 00:25:31,156 --> 00:25:36,202 she's not in on any given night, that they'd be ready to go. 472 00:25:36,327 --> 00:25:38,913 So they waited and they waited. 473 00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:40,206 There were one or two weekends 474 00:25:40,290 --> 00:25:42,208 where I was reasonably confident, 475 00:25:42,334 --> 00:25:44,794 from the lack of any activity, 476 00:25:44,878 --> 00:25:47,297 that she was probably not around. 477 00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:48,548 And I'd wait till about midnight 478 00:25:48,631 --> 00:25:51,551 and I'd call the number to confirm. 479 00:25:51,676 --> 00:25:53,261 And I'd wind up waking her up. 480 00:25:53,386 --> 00:25:55,388 She'd answer the phone, and I'd feel terrible 481 00:25:55,472 --> 00:25:58,558 and, you know, get myself off the line. 482 00:25:58,641 --> 00:26:00,560 But the third or fourth time, 483 00:26:00,685 --> 00:26:03,021 I had like two days of no activity on the phone. 484 00:26:03,104 --> 00:26:04,564 [ Telephone ringing ] 485 00:26:04,689 --> 00:26:05,982 She doesn't answer the phone. 486 00:26:06,066 --> 00:26:07,275 So that night, those guys -- 487 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,110 I call them up and said, "Hey, she's gone." 488 00:26:09,235 --> 00:26:11,446 And they go in and they put the bugs in. 489 00:26:11,571 --> 00:26:14,532 The FBI broke into her apartment, 490 00:26:14,616 --> 00:26:18,495 put bugs in in the lamp, got out and waited. 491 00:26:18,578 --> 00:26:24,084 ♪♪ 492 00:26:24,209 --> 00:26:29,589 Papa: On November 30th, the feds were finally able to get very clear, 493 00:26:29,714 --> 00:26:35,595 damaging tapes of John Gotti's own voice and in his own words. 494 00:26:55,323 --> 00:27:00,286 When you heard him speak, he was very gruff. 495 00:27:00,412 --> 00:27:02,664 He was very street. 496 00:27:08,461 --> 00:27:11,673 He had a real thick New York accent. 497 00:27:11,798 --> 00:27:14,134 I believe he never really gave interviews 498 00:27:14,259 --> 00:27:17,971 because he didn't want to be heard like that. 499 00:27:18,054 --> 00:27:21,307 Otherwise, he looked pretty slick and sophisticated 500 00:27:21,433 --> 00:27:23,768 and pretty put together on the outside. 501 00:27:28,982 --> 00:27:30,775 Feldman: John Gotti -- he was very comfortable 502 00:27:30,859 --> 00:27:35,071 talking in the confines of that little apartment. 503 00:27:35,155 --> 00:27:37,866 Conversations are turning from different topics, 504 00:27:37,991 --> 00:27:40,410 and it goes into the Paul Castellano hit 505 00:27:40,493 --> 00:27:41,995 and why they killed him. 506 00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:49,669 They were also able to capture him 507 00:27:49,753 --> 00:27:54,674 talking about the murders of members of his family. 508 00:28:04,517 --> 00:28:06,353 Cardinale: Those were the most important tapes 509 00:28:06,478 --> 00:28:08,855 that they got against John. 510 00:28:08,938 --> 00:28:11,691 Raab: It gave them a mountain of evidence, 511 00:28:11,816 --> 00:28:15,362 and that was the key to finally indicting him. 512 00:28:15,445 --> 00:28:18,865 ♪♪ 513 00:28:18,990 --> 00:28:23,203 John Gotti was arrested on December 11, 1990. 514 00:28:23,286 --> 00:28:24,954 Gabriel: I go barging into the club, 515 00:28:25,038 --> 00:28:27,457 and there's John and Sammy sitting at their table. 516 00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:28,958 And, you know, John looks at me. 517 00:28:29,042 --> 00:28:31,252 He goes, "Oh, we were expecting you. 518 00:28:31,378 --> 00:28:33,421 I know why you're here." 519 00:28:33,546 --> 00:28:35,632 I said, "Well, that's good. That makes this easy." 520 00:28:35,715 --> 00:28:37,050 And he said, "Well, you know, can we at least 521 00:28:37,175 --> 00:28:38,259 finish our coffee?" 522 00:28:38,385 --> 00:28:39,886 I said, "Yeah, enjoy your coffee. 523 00:28:40,011 --> 00:28:41,930 We're not in a rush. 524 00:28:42,055 --> 00:28:45,392 We'll be going home later. You won't be." 525 00:28:45,475 --> 00:28:48,853 There's a classic photo of the table in the Ravenite 526 00:28:48,937 --> 00:28:50,772 with three cups of espresso, 527 00:28:50,897 --> 00:28:53,900 which was the last espresso Gotti ever had, 528 00:28:53,983 --> 00:28:56,986 I believe, as a free man. 529 00:28:57,070 --> 00:29:00,031 Man: John Gotti wore his customary look of nonchalance 530 00:29:00,115 --> 00:29:04,369 as FBI agents led him away from a federal processing center. 531 00:29:04,452 --> 00:29:06,913 They've said they are determined to put him in prison 532 00:29:06,996 --> 00:29:08,581 for the rest of his life. 533 00:29:08,665 --> 00:29:14,337 ♪♪ 534 00:29:17,757 --> 00:29:21,803 ♪♪ 535 00:29:21,928 --> 00:29:24,431 Man: Gotti and three associates in the Gambino family 536 00:29:24,556 --> 00:29:26,224 have been indicted on federal charges 537 00:29:26,307 --> 00:29:30,395 that include murder and racketeering. 538 00:29:30,478 --> 00:29:32,313 Raab: Shortly before Christmas, 539 00:29:32,439 --> 00:29:35,191 the FBI and the justice department 540 00:29:35,275 --> 00:29:38,695 indicted him on a whole bevy of charges 541 00:29:38,778 --> 00:29:41,322 that could lead to a life sentence. 542 00:29:41,448 --> 00:29:44,784 And they also indicted Sammy "The Bull" Gravano. 543 00:29:44,868 --> 00:29:47,245 Man: One charge includes the killing of former mob boss 544 00:29:47,328 --> 00:29:49,831 Paul Castellano, allegedly rubbed out 545 00:29:49,956 --> 00:29:51,958 so Gotti could take over. 546 00:29:52,083 --> 00:29:54,294 He's a murderer. He's not a folk hero. 547 00:29:54,377 --> 00:29:57,047 He's charged with four murders in this indictment. 548 00:29:57,130 --> 00:29:58,590 He's charged with conspiring to murder 549 00:29:58,673 --> 00:30:02,052 another member of organized crime in the indictment. 550 00:30:02,135 --> 00:30:04,137 He's a criminal, in our judgement. 551 00:30:04,262 --> 00:30:06,306 Feldman: Certainly, the press at the time were at the point 552 00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:09,309 where it was another John Gotti bust. 553 00:30:09,392 --> 00:30:11,728 Let's see how he gets out of this one. 554 00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:18,026 So, before the trial began, various recordings were played, 555 00:30:18,151 --> 00:30:21,446 and John Gotti and his other defendants, 556 00:30:21,529 --> 00:30:23,615 including Sammy "The Bull" Gravano, 557 00:30:23,698 --> 00:30:25,909 were present to hear that. 558 00:30:25,992 --> 00:30:29,871 There was a sense that Gotti and Gravano were in this together, 559 00:30:29,996 --> 00:30:34,000 they were partners in everything they were doing. 560 00:30:34,125 --> 00:30:37,837 The apartment bug, where Gotti was picked up, 561 00:30:37,962 --> 00:30:41,424 ultimately had another twist to it. 562 00:30:41,508 --> 00:30:45,762 Gravano was not always present for these conversations. 563 00:30:45,845 --> 00:30:50,642 And on some of the tapes, Gotti was not, to put it mildly, 564 00:30:50,725 --> 00:30:54,104 charitable in his comments about Gravano. 565 00:30:54,187 --> 00:30:57,691 DeStefano: Gotti is heard complaining about Gravano. 566 00:30:57,774 --> 00:30:58,983 He ruminated about 567 00:30:59,067 --> 00:31:03,822 Sammy "The Bull" Gravano's earning power. 568 00:31:03,905 --> 00:31:07,450 But, more importantly, he implicates Sammy 569 00:31:07,534 --> 00:31:09,119 in like three murders. 570 00:31:17,544 --> 00:31:19,254 Papa: The tapes were being played. 571 00:31:19,379 --> 00:31:22,215 Gravano and Gotti were sitting there. 572 00:31:22,298 --> 00:31:25,385 And it isn't pretty. 573 00:31:25,468 --> 00:31:28,304 You can only imagine what's going on in their minds. 574 00:31:28,388 --> 00:31:31,057 That was going to be a problem. 575 00:31:31,182 --> 00:31:36,021 Gravano: When I heard this tape, I was devastated. 576 00:31:36,104 --> 00:31:39,733 He's betraying me behind my back. 577 00:31:39,858 --> 00:31:43,903 Cardinale: Sammy started to see that he was in deep, deep trouble. 578 00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:46,406 He saw the writing on the wall. 579 00:31:46,531 --> 00:31:48,575 Raab: A major weakness in Gotti 580 00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:51,202 was this misjudgment of characters. 581 00:31:51,286 --> 00:31:54,039 What he really didn't understand about Sammy 582 00:31:54,122 --> 00:31:55,248 is that, very simply, 583 00:31:55,373 --> 00:31:57,667 Sammy had never served any jail time. 584 00:31:57,751 --> 00:32:01,296 Nobody knew what his character would be if he got into trouble. 585 00:32:04,466 --> 00:32:09,387 Sammy "The Bull" Gravano notified the FBI 586 00:32:09,471 --> 00:32:12,349 that he was willing to defect. 587 00:32:12,432 --> 00:32:13,933 Cardinale: One day, all of a sudden, 588 00:32:14,017 --> 00:32:16,895 he is supposedly taken out for medical reasons, 589 00:32:16,978 --> 00:32:18,897 and he never comes back. 590 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:21,775 And it becomes clear to everyone that the reason he's gone 591 00:32:21,858 --> 00:32:25,612 is because he's decided to become a government witness. 592 00:32:25,737 --> 00:32:30,283 He is actually now working with the FBI. 593 00:32:30,408 --> 00:32:34,287 Feldman: That was a monumental decision for him, 594 00:32:34,412 --> 00:32:38,291 and it was a major win for the government. 595 00:32:38,375 --> 00:32:40,710 Cardinale: It was shocking. There's no question about it. 596 00:32:40,794 --> 00:32:43,672 No one ever expected that to happen. 597 00:32:43,797 --> 00:32:46,633 Gravano knew where all the skeletons 598 00:32:46,758 --> 00:32:50,303 were buried, literally. 599 00:32:50,387 --> 00:32:52,305 John's a double-crosser. 600 00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:54,432 I'm a master double-crosser. 601 00:32:54,516 --> 00:32:57,143 We played chess, and he lost. 602 00:32:57,227 --> 00:33:02,315 ♪♪ 603 00:33:05,694 --> 00:33:06,903 Man: No tickets are being sold, 604 00:33:06,986 --> 00:33:09,072 but the January trial of John Gotti 605 00:33:09,155 --> 00:33:12,617 promises to be a bout of major proportions. 606 00:33:15,078 --> 00:33:17,330 Feldman: The trial, if you will, of John Gotti started 607 00:33:17,455 --> 00:33:20,500 on the 21st of January in 1992. 608 00:33:20,625 --> 00:33:22,836 Papa: The charges were sensational. 609 00:33:22,961 --> 00:33:25,338 The murders were sensational. 610 00:33:25,422 --> 00:33:27,841 And here's John Gotti. 611 00:33:27,924 --> 00:33:29,634 Will he beat this rap? 612 00:33:29,718 --> 00:33:32,053 That was really the question. 613 00:33:33,722 --> 00:33:36,516 Miller: Entering the fourth trial, it did appear 614 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:40,020 that the government pulled out all stops. 615 00:33:40,145 --> 00:33:42,480 Papa: This was almost about reputations, 616 00:33:42,564 --> 00:33:45,233 that the prosecutors needed this conviction 617 00:33:45,358 --> 00:33:49,195 because John Gotti was getting away with murder. 618 00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:51,364 Feldman: This case against John Gotti was executed 619 00:33:51,448 --> 00:33:52,907 in a very different way. 620 00:33:53,033 --> 00:33:54,993 So, let's take the jury, for example. 621 00:33:55,076 --> 00:33:58,204 The jury was sequestered throughout the entire trial, 622 00:33:58,288 --> 00:34:03,043 and that was something that was not the norm at all at the time. 623 00:34:03,126 --> 00:34:04,419 There was a genuine concern, 624 00:34:04,544 --> 00:34:07,714 because of the prior jury-fixing incidents, 625 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,133 that, somehow, Gotti or his henchmen 626 00:34:10,216 --> 00:34:12,260 would try to reach out to one or more 627 00:34:12,385 --> 00:34:16,765 jury members to fix the trial. 628 00:34:16,890 --> 00:34:18,224 Unlike previous attempts, 629 00:34:18,308 --> 00:34:20,518 this time, the federal government 630 00:34:20,602 --> 00:34:24,147 had two things going for its case against John Gotti. 631 00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:27,484 The first thing, of course, is it had those recordings, 632 00:34:27,567 --> 00:34:30,737 the recordings that were made where you can hear 633 00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:32,113 John Gotti discussing 634 00:34:32,238 --> 00:34:37,077 all sorts of nefarious operations of his family. 635 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,245 The tapes were very compelling. 636 00:34:39,371 --> 00:34:41,581 Gabriel: What's he going to say? "I didn't say that"? 637 00:34:41,664 --> 00:34:45,835 The evidence was very strong. 638 00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:48,088 Feldman: And the most important thing they had 639 00:34:48,213 --> 00:34:50,757 was Sammy "The Bull" Gravano. 640 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,054 Man: Sammy "The Bull" Gravano took the witness stand 641 00:34:56,137 --> 00:34:58,473 in Brooklyn Federal Court Monday. 642 00:34:58,598 --> 00:35:00,475 Feldman: The case has been unfolding now 643 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,769 for a little more than a month or so. 644 00:35:02,894 --> 00:35:05,438 The moment that everybody was now waiting for -- 645 00:35:05,522 --> 00:35:09,984 the testimony in court of Sammy "The Bull" Gravano. 646 00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:14,030 That was a big deal, because it had never happened 647 00:35:14,114 --> 00:35:18,368 before in any Mafia case anywhere in the world, really, 648 00:35:18,451 --> 00:35:22,205 that you would have someone that powerful come and testify 649 00:35:22,288 --> 00:35:26,626 in court against his former boss, John Gotti. 650 00:35:26,751 --> 00:35:31,131 Gravano: I knew at that point my life was over 651 00:35:31,214 --> 00:35:33,967 as Salvatore "Sammy The Bull" Gravano. 652 00:35:34,092 --> 00:35:36,553 I would be called a rat, a traitor, an informer. 653 00:35:36,636 --> 00:35:39,597 I would be called a million different names. 654 00:35:39,681 --> 00:35:43,476 My family would have to live through this horror, 655 00:35:43,601 --> 00:35:45,395 but I was done. 656 00:35:47,647 --> 00:35:51,067 Papa: Gravano came onto that witness stand, 657 00:35:51,151 --> 00:35:53,486 into the seat so quietly. 658 00:35:53,611 --> 00:35:57,657 Everybody really held their collective breath. 659 00:35:57,741 --> 00:36:02,495 It was a very dramatic experience. 660 00:36:02,620 --> 00:36:07,000 Gotti had a kind of smirk on his face. 661 00:36:07,125 --> 00:36:08,501 Gotti might have been thinking, 662 00:36:08,626 --> 00:36:16,009 "If I walk out of this one, good luck, Mr. Gravano." 663 00:36:16,092 --> 00:36:18,845 Man: Gravano admitted that he was the underboss, 664 00:36:18,928 --> 00:36:20,180 the second-in-command, 665 00:36:20,305 --> 00:36:22,515 of the nation's most powerful Mafia family, 666 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:26,686 the Gambinos, at the time he and Gotti were arrested. 667 00:36:26,811 --> 00:36:29,689 Gravano testified that John Gotti helped plan 668 00:36:29,814 --> 00:36:34,694 the 1985 rub-out of godfather Paul Castellano. 669 00:36:34,819 --> 00:36:36,863 In one of the most significant mob defections 670 00:36:36,946 --> 00:36:39,532 in U.S. history, Gravano described, 671 00:36:39,657 --> 00:36:41,201 in blood-curdling detail, 672 00:36:41,326 --> 00:36:44,079 the plot to kill Paul Castellano. 673 00:36:44,204 --> 00:36:47,040 He testified, I think, for nine days. 674 00:36:47,123 --> 00:36:50,251 Thornburgh: He had intimate knowledge that was corroborated 675 00:36:50,377 --> 00:36:55,256 by the actual tapes that were taken of conversations. 676 00:36:55,382 --> 00:36:58,301 Papa: Sammy Gravano knew what was going on. 677 00:36:58,385 --> 00:37:00,303 He knew the people involved. 678 00:37:00,387 --> 00:37:02,889 He knew the people that were murdered. 679 00:37:02,972 --> 00:37:06,851 Man: Gravano also testified about how he was inducted into the Mafia, 680 00:37:06,935 --> 00:37:09,729 how then-godfather Paul Castellano told him that 681 00:37:09,813 --> 00:37:12,649 if he should ever break the Mafia's code of silence, 682 00:37:12,732 --> 00:37:14,567 his soul would burn. 683 00:37:14,651 --> 00:37:16,444 As Gravano testified to this, 684 00:37:16,569 --> 00:37:19,739 John Gotti looked at him and smiled. 685 00:37:19,864 --> 00:37:22,492 Papa: Gravano was not going to be unnerved, 686 00:37:22,575 --> 00:37:23,702 and he wasn't. 687 00:37:23,785 --> 00:37:26,454 He was an excellent witness. 688 00:37:26,579 --> 00:37:30,125 Gravano really was the cement for the case. 689 00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:34,337 ♪♪ 690 00:37:34,421 --> 00:37:36,631 Man: The jury surprised just about everyone 691 00:37:36,756 --> 00:37:38,425 with the speed of its deliberation -- 692 00:37:38,508 --> 00:37:39,843 about a day and a half. 693 00:37:39,926 --> 00:37:41,511 John Gotti has been found guilty 694 00:37:41,594 --> 00:37:44,597 and will face life in prison. 695 00:37:44,681 --> 00:37:49,269 Papa: He was found guilty of everything, and it was over. 696 00:37:49,394 --> 00:37:52,313 Feldman: This was the first time in his career 697 00:37:52,439 --> 00:37:56,943 as a Mafia boss that Gotti had been found guilty. 698 00:37:57,027 --> 00:38:00,280 Cardinale: Five of those counts were murder and aid of racketeering 699 00:38:00,363 --> 00:38:04,367 that carried mandatory life-imprisonment sentences. 700 00:38:04,451 --> 00:38:06,286 The Teflon is gone. 701 00:38:06,411 --> 00:38:08,038 The don is covered with Velcro, 702 00:38:08,121 --> 00:38:12,625 and every charge in the indictment stuck. 703 00:38:12,751 --> 00:38:15,045 Schumacher: Gotti was sent to a maximum-security 704 00:38:15,128 --> 00:38:18,131 federal penitentiary in Marion, Illinois. 705 00:38:18,256 --> 00:38:22,427 And not only that, he was placed in, essentially -- 706 00:38:22,510 --> 00:38:28,099 23 hours a day, he was in solitary confinement. 707 00:38:28,183 --> 00:38:30,393 Papa: It was over for John Gotti. 708 00:38:30,477 --> 00:38:36,191 He was in one of the most punitive prisons in the country. 709 00:38:36,316 --> 00:38:39,152 The "New York Daily News" said, in August, 710 00:38:39,277 --> 00:38:41,863 believes John Gotti is still leading a crime family 711 00:38:41,988 --> 00:38:43,156 from prison. 712 00:38:43,281 --> 00:38:45,408 Under his conditions, that's quite a feat. 713 00:38:45,492 --> 00:38:47,202 Which is what? He's in behind -- 714 00:38:47,327 --> 00:38:50,622 He is in 23-1/2-hour lockup in Marion, 715 00:38:50,705 --> 00:38:53,708 which is a super-maximum-security facility, 716 00:38:53,833 --> 00:38:57,253 and there's no communication other than 717 00:38:57,337 --> 00:39:00,590 with an immediate family member once or twice a month. 718 00:39:00,674 --> 00:39:04,511 ♪♪ 719 00:39:04,594 --> 00:39:06,429 Feldman: For a long period of time, 720 00:39:06,513 --> 00:39:08,932 the name John Gotti actually kind of disappeared 721 00:39:09,015 --> 00:39:13,353 from the public's consciousness because he was behind bars. 722 00:39:13,478 --> 00:39:14,854 But it was known that he was ill. 723 00:39:14,979 --> 00:39:18,900 It was known that he was suffering from throat cancer. 724 00:39:19,025 --> 00:39:23,154 And then, ultimately, on June 10, 2002, 725 00:39:23,238 --> 00:39:26,199 he succumbed to the cancer. 726 00:39:26,324 --> 00:39:30,245 Man: Family, friends, and associates gathered to give John Gotti, 727 00:39:30,370 --> 00:39:33,081 a man convicted of murder and racketeering, 728 00:39:33,206 --> 00:39:34,541 a hero's send-off. 729 00:39:34,666 --> 00:39:37,210 The procession of vehicles, led by limousines 730 00:39:37,293 --> 00:39:39,713 bearing elaborate flower arrangements, 731 00:39:39,796 --> 00:39:41,214 stopped at Gotti's home, 732 00:39:41,339 --> 00:39:43,717 where more people gathered for a glimpse 733 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,051 and to pay respect. 734 00:39:45,135 --> 00:39:50,932 ♪♪ 735 00:39:51,057 --> 00:39:52,892 Gabriel: For all the fanfare with John Gotti, 736 00:39:52,976 --> 00:39:55,645 he was the least-effective boss that ever existed. 737 00:39:55,729 --> 00:40:00,358 Raab: The truth about Gotti was, he was an incompetent, 738 00:40:00,442 --> 00:40:03,528 almost imbecilic mob leader. 739 00:40:03,611 --> 00:40:08,992 He came in deciding that he was going to remake the Mafia. 740 00:40:09,075 --> 00:40:13,747 Instead, he became a whirlwind for disaster. 741 00:40:13,830 --> 00:40:15,915 Papa: The Gambino crime family continued on 742 00:40:15,999 --> 00:40:18,084 but, I would say, in a more crippled state. 743 00:40:18,168 --> 00:40:20,795 We took the unions away because of his conviction, 744 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,131 which weakened all the other families. 745 00:40:23,256 --> 00:40:25,592 Feldman: And after John Gotti's conviction 746 00:40:25,717 --> 00:40:28,595 and after the turning of Gravano, 747 00:40:28,678 --> 00:40:31,264 more mob members started turning 748 00:40:31,348 --> 00:40:35,060 and became witnesses in various cases 749 00:40:35,143 --> 00:40:38,063 for the federal government. 750 00:40:38,146 --> 00:40:39,689 Gabriel: John Gotti is the boss 751 00:40:39,773 --> 00:40:42,275 that brought the whole Mafia down. 752 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,651 He brought the attention to it, 753 00:40:43,777 --> 00:40:45,570 thinking that he was untouchable. 754 00:40:45,653 --> 00:40:48,823 It's that kind of arrogance that ruins empires. 755 00:40:48,948 --> 00:40:52,160 John Gotti wasn't Robin Hood. 756 00:40:52,285 --> 00:40:54,079 He was a murderer. 757 00:40:57,248 --> 00:41:01,252 Raab: Perhaps what sums him up best, in some respects, 758 00:41:01,336 --> 00:41:04,464 he was talking to one of his daughters, Victoria, 759 00:41:04,589 --> 00:41:08,259 about his life and how wonderful he was and how, 760 00:41:08,343 --> 00:41:12,097 because of him, the Gambino family would be so strong. 761 00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:13,473 And he tells his daughter, 762 00:41:13,598 --> 00:41:18,103 "You will never see another guy like me 763 00:41:18,186 --> 00:41:22,691 if you live to be 5,000 years old." 764 00:41:22,816 --> 00:41:23,983 Can you believe this? 765 00:41:24,067 --> 00:41:26,569 This is what he tells his daughter, 766 00:41:26,653 --> 00:41:28,822 while he's almost rotting in prison. 767 00:41:28,947 --> 00:41:36,788 ♪♪ 768 00:41:36,871 --> 00:41:40,458 ♪♪ 769 00:41:40,542 --> 00:41:44,587 John Gotti, inmate 182-053, 770 00:41:44,671 --> 00:41:48,049 lived nearly a decade in prison before passing away. 771 00:41:48,174 --> 00:41:50,301 The Brooklyn Catholic diocese denied him 772 00:41:50,385 --> 00:41:52,345 the honor of a funeral mass, 773 00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:54,973 but his family went forward with a burial, 774 00:41:55,056 --> 00:41:57,308 laying him to rest in a gold casket. 775 00:41:57,392 --> 00:42:00,437 He is entombed in a mausoleum in Queens, New York, 776 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,732 directly beside his beloved son, Frankie. 777 00:42:03,857 --> 00:42:06,735 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. Thanks for watching. 778 00:42:06,860 --> 00:42:08,319 Good night. 61752

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