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Bianchi: There was no real
discussion of a killing.
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It just seems like it was
an automatic thing
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that would happen.
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It was always a spur
of the moment thing.
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There was never
any planning beforehand.
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Welcome to "Very Scary People."
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I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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Los Angeles, California,
in the 1970s
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was a place
where dreams were made,
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in the movie studios,
and on the beaches.
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But in the fall of 1977,
over a period of four months,
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the city was terrorized
by a predator,
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hunting young women
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and displaying their
dead bodies in public.
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Despite a massive police effort
to find the killer,
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the body count kept rising.
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The terrifying murder spree
would go down
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as one of the most
notorious in U.S. history.
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This is
"The Hillside Stranglers."
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Renner: Kristina Weckler was
a 20-year-old art student,
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talented girl.
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Everyone described her
as studious and quiet,
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a real sweetheart.
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She lived on her own,
and she and a friend,
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another student
at the Art Institute,
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both single women in L.A.,
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they kind of made,
like, a pinky swear,
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"Let's keep each other safe."
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So they made a promise to each
other to be there just in case.
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And so on a Monday morning,
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when Kristina didn't show up
for her class,
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as she normally would,
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her friend
became very, very alarmed.
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This is not like Kristina
at all.
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This is out of character.
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So the friend drove over
to Kristina's apartment
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and found Kristina's Volkswagen
was parked in its usual spot.
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So she thought, "Well, maybe
she's just sick."
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She went up to Kristina's
apartment door and knocked,
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and there wasn't any answer.
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Now she's starting to get
really worried,
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so she went and cornered
the apartment manager.
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He opens the apartment.
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They go in,
and everything looks normal.
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Her art supplies are out.
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Her bed is turned down.
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There's no evidence
of any kind struggle
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or any kind of violence
in the apartment.
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The really eerie thing is
that Kristina is not there.
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The body of
Kristina Weckler was found.
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And things got even sicker.
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Renner: There were marks
of sexual assault.
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She had been violently sexually
assaulted and just dumped.
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There were marks on her arms,
like maybe an IV drug user.
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But that didn't fit
Kristina's personality at all.
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It was my understanding
that she was not a drug addict
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or involved in drug activity.
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Renner: There was a knock
at her door...
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[ Knocking ]
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...and it was a former neighbor
of hers.
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And he said, "Something's
happened to your car,
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and I think you better come out
and take a look at it."
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So she did.
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"She was driven to a house
where she was dragged around
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and tied up."
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She was injected
with a substance,
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usually used to clean windows.
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Which caused her to go
into violent convulsions.
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But she didn't die.
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She was dragged into the
kitchen,
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and a plastic bag
put over her head,
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and a gas pipe put into the bag.
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She's gasping for air,
the bag is going in and out
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as the gas
is being pumped into it.
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So in the course of however long
she was in captivity there,
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she was injected
with a cleaning substance,
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and she was gassed
before she was finally killed,
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and it was by means of a cord
wrapped around the neck.
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Death must've seemed
a mercy for her.
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Kristina was just one
of the many victims
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of the Hillside Stranglers.
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Some people had puncture marks.
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Some had Burns on their hands.
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They were tortured.
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Meredith: People were being
taken off the streets
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and turning up murdered
in some very horrendous ways.
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Davis: Everyone is going crazy.
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Police knew they were dealing
with a real sicko out there.
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Are we dealing with someone
with a medical background,
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because the bodies
were all cleaned?
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No one knew.
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It was getting stranger
by the week.
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It was extremely alarming.
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And no solution to the series
of murders
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appears to be in sight.
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We were defenseless.
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Who will be the next victim?
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Where will they be found?
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Will it be someone I know?
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It was a crazy, crazy time.
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Renner: The 1970s in Los Angeles
was pretty much wide open.
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So there were a lot of people
on the streets,
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especially in Hollywood,
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because there was
a lot of nightclubs there.
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A lot of social activities,
a lot of concerts,
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rock 'n' roll,
very laissez faire.
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It was also a much more
trusting era.
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A lot of people
were hitchhiking.
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Now parents don't even
let their children walk down
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one block to school
without an escort.
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I think it was just
a different time.
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Renner: And there was still that
element of sexual revolution,
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and so women were behaving
in ways
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that they hadn't done
in earlier years.
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Davis: I think women felt a lot
more comfortable
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walking down the street,
and it was a free time.
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It was a little
post-the hippie era.
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It was going to the beach.
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It was a party atmosphere
in Los Angeles.
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It was a have-no-fear
period of time.
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But it was about to be
overshadowed by tragedy.
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Renner: In late 1977, bodies of
young women start turning up
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around Los Angeles.
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Davis: 19-year-old
Yolanda Washington's body
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was found on the slopes
of Forest Lawn Cemetery.
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A prostitute had been murdered
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and dropped off naked
on a hillside.
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Davis: There were ligature marks
on her and her body was cleaned.
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But in a rather sad commentary,
maybe on our society,
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it didn't receive
that much news coverage
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because she was a prostitute,
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another day,
another murder in L.A..
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I became involved
in researching prostitution
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as a graduate student
at UCLA,
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and that's how
I met Yolanda Washington.
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Yolanda Washington
was a beautiful, young
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African-American woman
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who was very slim and very sweet
and very endearing.
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She had a 3-year-old child
at home.
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She was trying hard
to get off the streets,
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also working as a waitress,
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and did a little bit
of prostitution work.
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[ Car horn honks ]
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She did a number of things
in order to support her baby.
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Her friends called me and
said, "We know who killed her."
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And I said,
"Well, what happened?"
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And they said, "She'd stolen
a car from her pimp,"
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who was a dope dealer and had
a lot of drugs in the trunk,
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and they're sure
that he had killed her,
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which turned out
not to be the case.
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Meredith: Not too long after
that, there was a homicide.
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It was the morning after
Halloween, November 1st, 1977.
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A young girl, her body was found
posed naked
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on a front lawn
of a house in an area
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that doesn't have any crime,
and it's very remote.
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It was just a few blocks
from the junior high school
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that I had attended.
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This wasn't something that
happened in our neighborhood.
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Absolutely positively
unheard of.
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Judith Miller, that's the one
that alarmed
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and unhinged everybody.
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Davis: Judy Miller went
to Hollywood High School.
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She was considered
a runaway street child.
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Body was face up,
and, actually,
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a neighbor put a tarp
over the body
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before the police even arrived
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to hide it from neighborhood
school kids going to school.
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Police later find a witness
who says that he saw Judy Miller
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getting into a car
with a man outside
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Carney's restaurant
in West Hollywood.
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But that was all the guy knew,
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and it didn't give investigators
much to work with.
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Meredith: Then,
several days after that,
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we had a murder
in the city of Glendale.
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Renner: Elissa Kastin
was a member
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of a dance troupe
called the L.A. Knockers.
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Davis: The L.A. Knockers
fit in with the disco scene
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of dancing on roller skates,
and it was a happy period
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during that time
in Southern California.
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De Reyes: Her body was found
on an embankment
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near the Glendale Country Club.
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Once again, raped, tortured,
rope marks on her,
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body had been cleaned.
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That's when it hit us.
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There's a strangler out there.
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Martin: Many of the young women
are scared out of their minds.
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We're young people.
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We've not experienced
something like this
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anywhere in our life's history.
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The series of murders
was completely foreign to us.
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There was all this talk about,
we all need to stick together.
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Broberg: Lissa Kastin
wasn't a prostitute.
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She's looked at as this
middle-class tragedy,
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whereas the other victims
were portrayed
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as having this
inappropriate lifestyle,
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and, therefore,
I think were easier to dismiss
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in terms of any patterns
of possible serial murder.
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And in some ways, you could
probably argue that this is
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where the turning point
happened,
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where the police begin to get
pressure to form a task force.
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We're starting to pay attention
a lot more to what is going on.
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And then shortly thereafter,
other bodies started popping up.
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And then, more and more
and more bodies, all women,
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all showed up on hillsides
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in fairly close proximity
to one another.
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There turned out, though,
to be certain traits --
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that the body
had been moved, number one.
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Usually a body is found near
where they were killed.
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Number two, the ligature marks.
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Number three,
the cleaning of the bodies,
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which was extremely unusual.
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Of course, news being news
and profit being profit,
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news people came up
with a scary moniker,
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"The Hillside Strangler."
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And it's got the residents,
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particularly the women,
in a state of panic,
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because nothing seems to tie
these victims together.
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They haven't got a lead
on a killer.
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They have no idea
what's going on.
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Davis: Fear permeated the air
of Southern California
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like an invisible poisonous gas.
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Women were scared
for their lives.
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Men were scared for their wives
and their daughters.
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It was a very frightening time.
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I had been married a year.
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My wife was a deputy sheriff.
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She carried a gun,
and I still worried for her.
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Every police officer I know
was working
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was fearful for their families.
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I graduated from high school
in 1977.
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I went to work in retail
in the Glendale Galleria.
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It was a very large
shopping mall.
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By and large,
the feeling was terror.
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All the employees
were required to park
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in a specific section
at the mall.
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That both made things easier
and a little more difficult.
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So somebody studying the women
working at the mall,
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they knew where they would
be transitioning
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to at the start at work
and at the finish of work.
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Our store mandated that
the male employees
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escort the women
to and from their cars.
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You look at what went on
in the U.S.
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in terms of serial murder,
it was a very active time.
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Jones:
Theodore Bundy was a suspect
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in the sex-related murders
or disappearance
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of more than 30 other women
in four states
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between 1974 and 1978.
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Man: Gacy was convicted of the
sex slayings of 33 young men.
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The seven-year killing spree
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ended with the discovery
of dozens of bodies
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buried under his home
in suburban Chicago.
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Broberg: It was just a scenario
where serial killing,
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for whatever reason,
whether it's because
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people were doing
these copycat-type of aspects
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or whether it was just
the frustration
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of what was going on in society,
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and you have a lot of men
kind of going down
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this path of serial
killing during this time.
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Renner: Dolores Cepeda
and Sonja Johnson,
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12- and 14-year-old girls,
took a bus from their home
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out to the Eagle Rock Plaza
to go shopping.
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Sonja, you can see that
she looks just like
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on the cusp of womanhood,
just kind of getting there,
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but still you can still
see that gangly kid.
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And Dolores,
she's just flat out a kid.
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They spent the better part
of the day out there
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like teenage girls will do.
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They caught the bus
to come back,
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and what they didn't know
is that they were being watched,
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and they were being hunted.
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There was another passenger
on the bus,
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and he's watching them get off
the bus in Eagle Rock area.
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And he notices the girls go over
to a two-tone car,
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and they sort of lean in
on the passenger side,
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and they're talking to someone,
and then the bus pulls away,
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and he loses sight of them.
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Dolores and Sonja weren't in
the habit of not returning home
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when they said they were
gonna be home,
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and so when they didn't show up,
after their shopping excursion,
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their families
are really concerned,
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and they're on it right away.
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And they report them missing.
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They put their school pictures
on flyers
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that they put up
around the neighborhood.
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A week later, a 9-year-old boy
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was rummaging through a
trash dump near Dodger Stadium.
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Renner: He's going through
a trash heap,
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and he comes on what he thinks
may be mannequins.
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As he got closer, he said that
there were flies all over them,
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and that's when he realized
that something was wrong.
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Renner: It's Delores and Sonja
in garbage.
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What really made this one hurt,
they were just 12-
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and 14-year-old girls.
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Renner: They were so small
and so helpless.
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I mean, there's no way that
any rational reasonable person
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can comprehend
that level of depravity.
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I don't see how anyone of us
could do it.
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De Reyes: Once the girls were
found, police spoke to the boy
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who saw them exit the bus.
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Renner: He saw Dolores and Sonja
go up to a car
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to the passenger side,
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which led them to believe there
were two people in the car.
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Reporter: And you feel it would
have had to have been
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two people
to handle the two girls?
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Well, certainly, because
Sonja was brought up
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that she didn't get into a car
with anybody, except me.
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So she must have been forced
into the car by someone.
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Certainly.
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Regardless of whether or not
the two girls were forced,
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detectives realized
they were likely
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looking for two perpetrators.
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One thing that threw
all of us off
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is a pair of serial killers
is almost unheard of.
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Serial killers are almost
always one figure.
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Serial killers do not
operate in pairs.
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Broberg: It is unique, because
when you study serial killers,
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we refer to those
as team killers.
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According to what data we have,
I would say it's uncommon.
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Meredith: There was statements
badges had been flashed
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and a lot of concern.
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We weren't sure
what we're looking at.
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Were they impersonating cops
or were they cops?
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♪♪
353
00:18:06,211 --> 00:18:08,922
A lot of my girlfriends would
say, "I saw a guy in a car.
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A guy tried to stop me
in a car."
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Lee: Women were so scared
in Los Angeles,
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and the police were so worried
357
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that it could be
one of their own
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that they issued a statement
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that if a single woman
was driving in a car,
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and a police officer
tried to pull them over,
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that they didn't
have to pull over.
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They were free to drive
to a lighted area
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where they felt safe.
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That I don't think's
ever been done.
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As the theory circulated
that the killers might be
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in law enforcement,
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the daughter
of a well-known celebrity
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was stopped by two men
with badges.
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Actor Peter Lorre was famous
primarily in the '30s and '40s.
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Catharine Lorre was a student,
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and she and a friend of hers
were out in Hollywood.
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We got to about
the middle of the street,
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and this car came around
the corner and just cut us off.
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At which point, two men
got out of the car.
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Both of them were just
kind of flashing badges.
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They asked Catharine
for her ID.
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Lorre: In the first leaf
of the wallet
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was pictures
of my father and me.
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And so he started reading
down the paper,
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and he got to the point at which
he saw the name "Peter Lorre."
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At that point they kind of
were just hesitant.
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And they said, "Well, okay, you
know, I guess that's all right."
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I've done thousands of news
stories in the 30 years
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that I worked in television.
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The one that stuck with me
most was with Catharine Lorre,
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just because how close
she came to death.
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She just happened to pull
that card out
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and say that she was
Peter Lorre's daughter,
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and that it apparently
froze them into inaction.
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Davis: They didn't want
to get involved with that
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and let her go.
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And now, two men had been
spotted by witnesses.
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Police officers and detectives
were holding
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constant news conferences
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and having to put up
with reporters
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shouting questions to them,
"Why can't you solve this case?"
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Well, solving a crime is hard.
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And no one was more frustrated
than police.
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We were clueless trying
to solve this at this point.
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♪♪
401
00:20:25,225 --> 00:20:27,686
Even though detectives
had no leads,
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00:20:27,769 --> 00:20:30,063
they started
to notice a pattern.
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Meredith: One of the things
that came up in the case is
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you started looking at the way
the bodies were being dumped,
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and it was actually painting
what I will call a semi-circle
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or crescent
around the city of Glendale.
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Reporter: Most of them found
within a seven-mile radius
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of Griffith Park
and the Golden State Freeway.
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My personal impression,
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that it was somebody
from the city of Glendale
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that was trying
to dump the bodies
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outside of the city of Glendale
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so that wouldn't
lead back to them.
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♪♪
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De Reyes: The murders
are mounting,
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the public is terrified,
417
00:21:02,053 --> 00:21:05,598
and police are facing tremendous
pressure to solve this case.
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The stranglers became bolder
and bolder as time went on.
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It was like there was
a statement being made here.
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This is what we think
about women,
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and this is what we think
about the city of Los Angeles.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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Welcome back to
"Very Scary People."
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By late November 1977,
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the bodies of seven young women
have been found,
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dumped on the hillsides
of Los Angeles.
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Investigators have few
if any leads.
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But the media has given
the killer a name,
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the Hillside Strangler.
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00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:51,019
Some witnesses report
that the crimes
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seem to be
the work of more than one man,
433
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and a terrifying theory begins
circulating that the killer,
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or killers, may be posing
as members of law enforcement.
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♪♪
436
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The next body was found
at a freeway off-ramp
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that I went on five days a week.
438
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I admit, it was getting a little
close to home.
439
00:22:20,048 --> 00:22:21,966
Her body was left face up.
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♪♪
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Jane King was the oldest victim.
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She dabbled in Scientology.
443
00:22:30,016 --> 00:22:32,143
She was apparently abducted
from a bus stop
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outside the Scientology Center.
445
00:22:35,063 --> 00:22:36,523
De Reyes: The murders
are mounting,
446
00:22:36,606 --> 00:22:38,358
the public is terrified,
447
00:22:38,483 --> 00:22:42,237
and police are facing tremendous
pressure to solve this case.
448
00:22:42,362 --> 00:22:45,365
What was kind of unique about
this particular serial killing
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versus other serial killings
450
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I've seen is the rapid rate
of committing the murders.
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It was a tremendous amount.
452
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The LAPD is getting a lot
of heat from the public.
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Everyone is going crazy,
so they formed what was called
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the Hillside Strangler
Task Force.
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That was the LAPD,
the Glendale police department,
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and the Los Angeles County
Sheriff's Department.
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So they could coordinate
and look at all clues
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from one source.
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You got to realize the county
of Los Angeles is made up
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of 88 separate cities
and plus unincorporated areas.
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And when these occurred,
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you know, the Los Angeles
Police Department,
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the Los Angeles
Sheriff's Department,
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the Glendale Police Department
all became extremely cooperative
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and forming this task force
to come together.
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And all the other agencies
in the county would provide
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as much information
and support as they could to it.
468
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In the big cities, sadly,
murders happen all the time.
469
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Often, bodies are found,
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and maybe it wasn't
the Hillside Strangler.
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The police had to be extremely
careful,
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as did we in the media,
to not misidentify it.
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Meredith: We had a lot
of clues coming in,
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a lot of different tips coming
in from all kinds of people.
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You have to realize,
at that time period,
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we didn't have computers
to do analysis or maintain logs.
477
00:24:01,649 --> 00:24:04,110
Everything had to be
hand-written and hand-logged,
478
00:24:04,194 --> 00:24:06,780
every clue,
every tip that would come in.
479
00:24:06,905 --> 00:24:08,239
We didn't have access to DNA.
480
00:24:08,323 --> 00:24:09,616
We couldn't just run
fingerprints
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00:24:09,741 --> 00:24:10,950
through an automated system.
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Broberg: They were getting
so many calls,
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00:24:12,452 --> 00:24:14,579
they probably could not
keep up with them.
484
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Davis: Making it even more
difficult were that the victims
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were often completely
different kinds of people.
486
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One could be a prostitute.
487
00:24:22,212 --> 00:24:23,546
One could be
a straight-A student.
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They were different races,
different ethnic groups,
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lived in different
areas of town.
490
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The task force couldn't work
fast enough.
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♪♪
492
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Davis: Lauren Wagner was
followed by the killers
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to in front
of her own parents' house.
494
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A neighbor saw her arguing
with two men,
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and then heard her say,
"You won't get away with this."
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Unfortunately, the neighbor
didn't immediately report that.
497
00:25:02,168 --> 00:25:03,503
De Reyes:
Like the other victims,
498
00:25:03,628 --> 00:25:05,463
Lauren Wagner had been tortured
499
00:25:05,547 --> 00:25:08,133
by whoever had abducted her.
500
00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:13,013
Renner: They decide to use a bit
of electrical wire,
501
00:25:13,096 --> 00:25:14,556
which leaves marks on her hands.
502
00:25:14,681 --> 00:25:16,766
They'd shock her.
503
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:19,436
It doesn't kill her,
it's just painful.
504
00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:20,687
They're sadists.
505
00:25:20,770 --> 00:25:23,356
And that's what they want to do.
506
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,235
And finally, not to put her
out of her misery,
507
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,696
they just
strangled her to death.
508
00:25:29,821 --> 00:25:40,165
♪♪
509
00:25:40,248 --> 00:25:44,294
Kimberly Martin was a lovely,
young 17-year-old girl,
510
00:25:44,377 --> 00:25:47,047
pretty, blue-eyed, blonde hair.
511
00:25:47,130 --> 00:25:48,381
Davis: She was a call girl,
512
00:25:48,465 --> 00:25:50,383
and she had
taken herself off the street
513
00:25:50,508 --> 00:25:51,926
because the strangler
was out there,
514
00:25:52,052 --> 00:25:54,637
so she was using
an agency instead.
515
00:25:54,721 --> 00:25:56,848
♪♪
516
00:25:56,931 --> 00:25:58,725
It wasn't enough
to save her life.
517
00:25:58,850 --> 00:26:01,936
♪♪
518
00:26:02,062 --> 00:26:04,064
When the police
investigated the murder,
519
00:26:04,147 --> 00:26:05,565
they learned about
an altercation
520
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:09,736
she had at a Hollywood building
the night she died.
521
00:26:09,819 --> 00:26:11,905
Davis: They questioned all
the neighbors in the building,
522
00:26:12,030 --> 00:26:13,573
that included a guy
named Kenneth Bianchi,
523
00:26:13,698 --> 00:26:16,117
who recently moved
from Rochester, New York,
524
00:26:16,242 --> 00:26:17,744
to spend time with his cousin.
525
00:26:17,827 --> 00:26:22,248
When the police came to look for
the escort that never came home,
526
00:26:22,332 --> 00:26:25,752
Bianchi talks to them,
jokes around and so on,
527
00:26:25,835 --> 00:26:28,546
and the police fill out
the report, and we're done.
528
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:30,757
♪♪
529
00:26:30,882 --> 00:26:32,300
De Reyes:
Bianchi continued to follow
530
00:26:32,425 --> 00:26:35,428
every aspect
of the Hillside Strangler case,
531
00:26:35,512 --> 00:26:38,515
including stories about
different suspects
532
00:26:38,598 --> 00:26:40,225
questioned by police.
533
00:26:40,308 --> 00:26:44,979
♪♪
534
00:26:45,105 --> 00:26:47,023
Reporter:
After intensive investigation,
535
00:26:47,107 --> 00:26:48,692
the Los Angeles
Police Department
536
00:26:48,775 --> 00:26:52,112
finally has booked a suspect
in the Hillside Strangler case.
537
00:26:52,237 --> 00:26:57,367
We have arrested a man
by the name of Ned T. York,
538
00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:59,369
male Caucasian.
539
00:26:59,452 --> 00:27:01,830
Chambers: Assistant Chief
Daryl Gates met with newsmen
540
00:27:01,955 --> 00:27:04,040
shortly after the suspect
was booked today,
541
00:27:04,124 --> 00:27:08,378
and said York had made certain
statements implicating himself.
542
00:27:08,461 --> 00:27:11,506
If police had the right guy,
the entire city of Los Angeles
543
00:27:11,631 --> 00:27:14,676
could take a collective
sigh of relief.
544
00:27:14,801 --> 00:27:18,888
The question is, is Ned York
the Hillside Strangler?
545
00:27:18,972 --> 00:27:27,022
♪♪
546
00:27:29,816 --> 00:27:32,902
De Reyes: In a story so typical
of Hollywood,
547
00:27:32,986 --> 00:27:36,156
a small-time actor
named Ned York
548
00:27:36,239 --> 00:27:39,159
said he might be
the Hillside Strangler.
549
00:27:39,242 --> 00:27:40,994
And he just comes
out of nowhere.
550
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,495
And the task force is hoping
551
00:27:42,579 --> 00:27:45,665
they can finally
put people's fears to rest.
552
00:27:45,790 --> 00:27:48,293
But those hopes started
to fade pretty quickly.
553
00:27:48,376 --> 00:27:49,961
When they first started
questioning him,
554
00:27:50,045 --> 00:27:51,546
he was rambling incoherently.
555
00:27:51,671 --> 00:27:54,174
They weren't sure whether
it was drugs or what.
556
00:27:54,257 --> 00:27:57,260
Finally, during the questioning,
he fell asleep.
557
00:27:57,344 --> 00:27:59,512
Last we heard,
he was still asleep.
558
00:27:59,596 --> 00:28:01,514
♪♪
559
00:28:01,639 --> 00:28:04,768
Davis: It turns out Ned York
said he was on angel dust
560
00:28:04,851 --> 00:28:06,436
when he approached police.
561
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:10,482
In fact, he had nothing to do
with the hillside stranglings.
562
00:28:10,565 --> 00:28:13,943
Police had no choice
but to release him from custody.
563
00:28:14,027 --> 00:28:16,404
Sometimes there are
false confessors,
564
00:28:16,529 --> 00:28:20,033
that's another feature
of crimes like this.
565
00:28:20,116 --> 00:28:21,826
The police in Los Angeles
seem to be back
566
00:28:21,910 --> 00:28:25,705
where they started in
the Hillside Strangler case.
567
00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:27,957
Sternoff: There are 55 officers
that work full time
568
00:28:28,041 --> 00:28:31,294
on the series of murders,
and they would welcome a break.
569
00:28:31,378 --> 00:28:33,046
We'll always accept
a lucky break
570
00:28:33,129 --> 00:28:34,714
and be very appreciative of it.
571
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:38,426
A lucky break helps you
crack them sooner.
572
00:28:38,551 --> 00:28:41,054
We'll keep at it
until it is cracked.
573
00:28:43,223 --> 00:28:45,975
Davis: Suddenly, the killings
appeared to stop.
574
00:28:46,059 --> 00:28:50,647
We went through Christmas,
Valentine's day.
575
00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:55,068
Those of us in the media thought
that maybe two things happened.
576
00:28:55,193 --> 00:28:57,570
Either the monster
discovered a conscience
577
00:28:57,696 --> 00:29:00,949
or maybe he met
the same fate as his victims.
578
00:29:01,074 --> 00:29:05,078
♪♪
579
00:29:05,161 --> 00:29:07,622
Then, right after
Valentine's day,
580
00:29:07,747 --> 00:29:10,417
a helicopter spotted
an orange Datsun
581
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:13,753
off of Angeles crest highway,
north of Los Angeles.
582
00:29:13,878 --> 00:29:16,214
Reporter: The victim was found
in the trunk of her new car
583
00:29:16,297 --> 00:29:19,759
50 feet down a steep hillside.
584
00:29:19,884 --> 00:29:21,511
Davis: When they went down
to pull it up,
585
00:29:21,594 --> 00:29:25,432
they found the body
of Cindy Hudspeth in the trunk.
586
00:29:25,557 --> 00:29:28,685
In Los Angeles, another young
women strangled in the hills,
587
00:29:28,768 --> 00:29:32,147
a 20-year-old bank clerk
who taught Bible classes
588
00:29:32,272 --> 00:29:35,442
and wanted to be an actress.
589
00:29:35,525 --> 00:29:39,904
Police were particularly curious
as to how Cindy's body
590
00:29:39,988 --> 00:29:43,491
ended up
in such a remote location.
591
00:29:43,616 --> 00:29:45,702
Meredith: Her car was up
on Angeles Crest Highway,
592
00:29:45,785 --> 00:29:48,288
which goes up in
the Angeles National Forest,
593
00:29:48,371 --> 00:29:49,581
and to drive a car up there,
594
00:29:49,664 --> 00:29:50,999
you're gonna need
a second vehicle
595
00:29:51,124 --> 00:29:52,375
to drive away from there.
596
00:29:52,459 --> 00:29:54,002
So somebody would have
to follow you up
597
00:29:54,127 --> 00:29:56,338
and pick you up
and take you away.
598
00:29:56,463 --> 00:29:59,883
Davis: Since Hudspeth's car
was pushed over a cliff,
599
00:29:59,966 --> 00:30:01,551
it indicated once again
600
00:30:01,634 --> 00:30:04,429
that more than one strangler
was involved.
601
00:30:04,512 --> 00:30:07,432
De Reyes: Now investigators were
more certain than ever that
602
00:30:07,515 --> 00:30:09,392
they were
looking for two killers.
603
00:30:09,476 --> 00:30:11,686
They also noticed
a strange connection
604
00:30:11,811 --> 00:30:15,315
between Cindy Hudspeth
and another victim.
605
00:30:15,398 --> 00:30:17,609
Wilson: Investigators are
greatly interested in the fact
606
00:30:17,692 --> 00:30:19,736
that this victim lived
just across the street
607
00:30:19,819 --> 00:30:24,824
from victim number seven,
20-year-old Kristina Weckler.
608
00:30:24,908 --> 00:30:26,993
Meredith: Cindy Hudspeth
was actually related
609
00:30:27,077 --> 00:30:28,703
to one of my officers,
610
00:30:28,828 --> 00:30:31,247
and that, you know, also becomes
a thing is that.
611
00:30:31,331 --> 00:30:32,499
We've not solved it.
612
00:30:32,624 --> 00:30:34,501
We haven't got closure
even for him.
613
00:30:34,584 --> 00:30:36,628
I mean, we went through
10 murders
614
00:30:36,711 --> 00:30:39,422
and had no leads
that we could really go back
615
00:30:39,506 --> 00:30:43,510
and say that we got probable
cause to arrest somebody.
616
00:30:43,635 --> 00:30:45,303
Reporter: Los Angeles
Sheriff's Investigators
617
00:30:45,387 --> 00:30:47,597
have found a witness
who saw Cindy Hudspeth
618
00:30:47,681 --> 00:30:49,641
driving north
on Glendale Boulevard
619
00:30:49,724 --> 00:30:51,518
in Glendale.
620
00:30:51,601 --> 00:30:53,353
Meredith: Cindy Hudspeth
was last seen
621
00:30:53,436 --> 00:30:55,855
on Colorado and Glendale Avenue
622
00:30:55,980 --> 00:30:57,482
at that intersection.
623
00:30:57,565 --> 00:30:59,776
We were handing out flyers
to passing motorists,
624
00:30:59,859 --> 00:31:01,986
trying to get clues
about the time of night
625
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:03,196
she went through there,
626
00:31:03,321 --> 00:31:05,740
seeing if anybody
recognized anything,
627
00:31:05,865 --> 00:31:07,909
not knowing that
a block and a half away
628
00:31:08,034 --> 00:31:09,327
from where we were standing
629
00:31:09,411 --> 00:31:11,705
was where all these murders
were occurring.
630
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:13,957
It became like,
what are we looking for?
631
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,542
We really don't know.
632
00:31:15,625 --> 00:31:17,419
You and your team, follow up
on this clue
633
00:31:17,544 --> 00:31:19,796
or follow up on that clue,
most of which were just tips
634
00:31:19,879 --> 00:31:23,675
that would amount
to nothing in the end.
635
00:31:23,758 --> 00:31:30,557
♪♪
636
00:31:30,682 --> 00:31:32,851
I had the only video camera
in the department,
637
00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:37,147
so they would say, "Hey go out
and video this crime scene."
638
00:31:37,230 --> 00:31:38,815
Probably the one that was
the premiere one
639
00:31:38,898 --> 00:31:40,316
was Richard Reynolds.
640
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,778
Richard Reynolds was known to
the Glendale Police Department,
641
00:31:44,612 --> 00:31:46,448
the Los Angeles
Police Department,
642
00:31:46,573 --> 00:31:48,408
and the L.A. County
Sheriff's Department
643
00:31:48,533 --> 00:31:50,493
as a registered sex offender.
644
00:31:50,577 --> 00:31:52,829
Reporter: Baker said that
Reynolds was in a nearby bar
645
00:31:52,912 --> 00:31:56,541
just 20 minutes before he and
29-year-old Roxanne Barnwell
646
00:31:56,624 --> 00:31:58,543
were found shot to death
in her car
647
00:31:58,626 --> 00:32:01,546
behind
Glendale Community Hospital.
648
00:32:01,629 --> 00:32:02,797
Baker says there's evidence
649
00:32:02,922 --> 00:32:05,425
that Reynolds was waiting
for his victim
650
00:32:05,550 --> 00:32:07,969
and forced his way into her car,
651
00:32:08,094 --> 00:32:11,222
attacker and victim then
shooting each other to death.
652
00:32:11,306 --> 00:32:14,601
Geographically, the location
of this very unusual incident
653
00:32:14,726 --> 00:32:16,561
raised a lot of suspicions.
654
00:32:16,644 --> 00:32:19,147
Reporter: The Hillside Strangler
Task Force was called in
655
00:32:19,272 --> 00:32:21,941
after Glendale Police
found a pattern.
656
00:32:22,067 --> 00:32:23,860
Reynolds and the Barnwell woman
were killed
657
00:32:23,943 --> 00:32:26,279
just a block and a half
from where two victims
658
00:32:26,404 --> 00:32:28,365
of the Hillside Strangler
had lived.
659
00:32:28,448 --> 00:32:30,450
Kristina Weckler
and Cindy Lee Hudspeth
660
00:32:30,575 --> 00:32:32,952
lived across Garfield Avenue
from one another,
661
00:32:33,078 --> 00:32:35,789
and Barnwell lived
a block away from them.
662
00:32:35,914 --> 00:32:38,667
Then police noted that Reynolds'
home in La Crescenta
663
00:32:38,792 --> 00:32:40,251
is just two blocks away
from the spot
664
00:32:40,335 --> 00:32:44,631
where Judith Ann Miller's body
was found October 31st.
665
00:32:44,714 --> 00:32:47,634
That made police
particularly suspicious.
666
00:32:47,717 --> 00:32:49,344
We thought this must be
the Hillside Strangler.
667
00:32:49,469 --> 00:32:50,762
Why else would a man
shoot a woman
668
00:32:50,845 --> 00:32:53,932
and a woman shoot a man
in that particular area?
669
00:32:54,015 --> 00:32:55,475
Man: The house is being checked.
670
00:32:55,558 --> 00:32:56,976
This is part of a routine
investigation
671
00:32:57,102 --> 00:33:00,730
to determine whether he is
or is not he is a suspect.
672
00:33:00,814 --> 00:33:05,318
At the conclusion of what I can
call a very thorough search
673
00:33:05,443 --> 00:33:08,321
of the residence,
officers were unable,
674
00:33:08,405 --> 00:33:12,659
and I emphasize,
unable to readily identify
675
00:33:12,784 --> 00:33:14,869
anything to connect Mr. Reynolds
676
00:33:14,994 --> 00:33:16,788
to the hillside
strangler murders.
677
00:33:16,871 --> 00:33:19,874
Turned out he was not related
to the case at all.
678
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,836
Burkhalter: How long does a case
like this remain open?
679
00:33:22,919 --> 00:33:24,087
Ed Henderson says...
680
00:33:24,170 --> 00:33:25,797
Forever.
681
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,799
How about yourself?
How long will you be on it?
682
00:33:27,882 --> 00:33:29,676
Well, I won't be here forever,
I know that.
683
00:33:29,801 --> 00:33:34,848
But I'll be on the case
until it's solved or I retire.
684
00:33:34,973 --> 00:33:42,897
♪♪
685
00:33:45,108 --> 00:33:47,027
♪♪
686
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:48,695
Meredith: One of the interesting
things that occurred
687
00:33:48,820 --> 00:33:51,740
after Cindy Hudspeth
was found was,
688
00:33:51,865 --> 00:33:55,535
the murders stopped,
they completely stopped.
689
00:33:55,618 --> 00:33:57,037
Renner: People don't know
whether to breathe
690
00:33:57,162 --> 00:33:58,455
a sigh of relief
691
00:33:58,538 --> 00:34:01,541
or be even more wary.
692
00:34:01,624 --> 00:34:03,043
Is the killer taking a break?
693
00:34:03,126 --> 00:34:04,711
What is going on?
694
00:34:04,794 --> 00:34:06,796
That makes everybody uneasy.
695
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,298
From a law enforcement
standpoint,
696
00:34:08,381 --> 00:34:09,883
we look at why did they stop?
697
00:34:10,008 --> 00:34:12,927
Is a person in custody
and we're not aware of it?
698
00:34:13,053 --> 00:34:14,512
Did they die?
699
00:34:14,596 --> 00:34:16,181
We don't have closure.
700
00:34:16,264 --> 00:34:26,775
♪♪
701
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:31,029
Bellingham's a beautiful spot,
right on Puget Sound,
702
00:34:31,112 --> 00:34:33,114
very nice community.
703
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,075
Definitely a safe place to live.
704
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,953
But in January 1979,
that would all change.
705
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:40,580
McEachran: Bellingham
was very concerned
706
00:34:40,705 --> 00:34:42,832
about these two young women --
707
00:34:42,916 --> 00:34:44,459
Karen Mandic,
Diane Wilder --
708
00:34:44,584 --> 00:34:45,752
who were missing.
709
00:34:45,835 --> 00:34:47,420
Reporter:
The two women were roommates.
710
00:34:47,545 --> 00:34:49,756
Both attended
Western Washington University.
711
00:34:49,881 --> 00:34:51,299
The first hint
of their disappearance
712
00:34:51,424 --> 00:34:52,926
came late Thursday,
713
00:34:53,051 --> 00:34:55,303
when Karen Mandic failed to
return to the local Fred Meyer
714
00:34:55,428 --> 00:34:57,639
from her dinner break.
715
00:34:57,764 --> 00:34:58,932
McEachran:
The one girl, Karen Mandic,
716
00:34:59,015 --> 00:35:00,975
was working at
Fred Meyer's store,
717
00:35:01,101 --> 00:35:05,522
which is a large department
food store in Bellingham.
718
00:35:05,605 --> 00:35:08,274
Karen asked her manager if she
could take a long dinner break,
719
00:35:08,358 --> 00:35:11,736
because she had
a job opportunity that came up.
720
00:35:11,820 --> 00:35:14,614
She told her manager
she was going to take
721
00:35:14,698 --> 00:35:19,285
from 7:00 to 9:00,
that she had a security job
722
00:35:19,369 --> 00:35:22,622
and was going to be making
quite a bit of money.
723
00:35:22,706 --> 00:35:25,709
And she was gonna
come back in two hours.
724
00:35:25,792 --> 00:35:28,003
De Reyes: Karen found out about
the security job
725
00:35:28,128 --> 00:35:30,547
from a former Fred Meyer's
employee.
726
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:31,881
He said, "Hey, you know,
727
00:35:31,965 --> 00:35:33,967
I'm in the private
security business now,
728
00:35:34,092 --> 00:35:36,302
and I've got this
great gig for you."
729
00:35:36,386 --> 00:35:38,471
McEachran: He indicated they
were putting a security alarm
730
00:35:38,596 --> 00:35:39,889
in this house.
731
00:35:39,973 --> 00:35:42,308
And the house had some
very valuable things,
732
00:35:42,434 --> 00:35:44,936
and they needed to have
security for two hours.
733
00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:47,230
If you want to just house-sit
for a little bit,
734
00:35:47,313 --> 00:35:49,107
you can make 100 bucks.
735
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:52,110
McEachran: And she asked if
her roommate could be involved,
736
00:35:52,193 --> 00:35:54,487
Diane Wilder.
737
00:35:54,571 --> 00:35:57,699
Renner: It's nine o'clock, Karen
doesn't come back to the store
738
00:35:57,824 --> 00:35:59,617
from her dinner break.
739
00:35:59,701 --> 00:36:02,495
This is not like her at all.
740
00:36:02,620 --> 00:36:05,832
She is very, very responsible.
741
00:36:05,957 --> 00:36:09,502
So the police get called
when she doesn't turn up.
742
00:36:09,586 --> 00:36:11,338
What the hell happened to her?
743
00:36:11,421 --> 00:36:13,673
McEachran: The police put out
the vehicle description,
744
00:36:13,798 --> 00:36:15,717
which was a Mercury Bobcat,
745
00:36:15,842 --> 00:36:17,302
and asked people
in the community
746
00:36:17,385 --> 00:36:20,013
to be aware of this vehicle,
and if they saw it to call
747
00:36:20,096 --> 00:36:22,015
the Bellingham Police
immediately.
748
00:36:22,098 --> 00:36:23,850
Renner: They really, at this
point, need to get over
749
00:36:23,975 --> 00:36:26,561
to her apartment, check it out,
see if there's anything going on
750
00:36:26,686 --> 00:36:29,481
that explains why
she didn't go back to work.
751
00:36:29,564 --> 00:36:34,819
McEachran: There was a note
there that indicated "Ken B.
752
00:36:34,903 --> 00:36:37,989
called, wants a call back,"
and there was a phone number.
753
00:36:38,073 --> 00:36:40,158
Renner:
It's in Diane's handwriting.
754
00:36:40,241 --> 00:36:42,452
De Reyes: Investigators had
called the security company
755
00:36:42,535 --> 00:36:46,706
and found out a man by the name
of Kenneth Bianchi worked there.
756
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:49,876
He had also previously
worked at Fred Meyer.
757
00:36:49,959 --> 00:36:53,380
Renner: "Did he, by any chance,
have a job tonight?"
758
00:36:53,505 --> 00:36:57,384
"No. No, he wasn't supposed
to be working at all."
759
00:36:57,509 --> 00:36:59,010
So that's when they decide,
uh-oh,
760
00:36:59,094 --> 00:37:04,557
and that's when they start
looking into Ken Bianchi.
761
00:37:04,683 --> 00:37:06,142
Davis: Ken had recently moved
to the area
762
00:37:06,226 --> 00:37:08,436
and was living with
his girlfriend, Kelli Boyd,
763
00:37:08,561 --> 00:37:10,021
and their infant son.
764
00:37:10,105 --> 00:37:12,524
McEachran: So they met him
at about 2:30 that morning.
765
00:37:12,607 --> 00:37:16,820
He tried to present himself as
a very likable, affable person.
766
00:37:16,903 --> 00:37:19,030
He at first denied
knowing Karen Mandic.
767
00:37:19,114 --> 00:37:21,116
And then he said, well,
he did remember meeting her
768
00:37:21,241 --> 00:37:24,744
at one point,
so they were concerned about him
769
00:37:24,869 --> 00:37:29,457
and whether he was
being honest to them.
770
00:37:29,582 --> 00:37:32,252
Then at about 4:30
that afternoon,
771
00:37:32,335 --> 00:37:34,421
a car had been sighted.
772
00:37:34,546 --> 00:37:35,922
Police responded,
773
00:37:36,006 --> 00:37:38,758
and the officer
could look into the vehicle
774
00:37:38,842 --> 00:37:40,385
and could see that
there were two bodies,
775
00:37:40,468 --> 00:37:43,930
and he could tell that both of
the young women looked deceased.
776
00:37:44,014 --> 00:37:46,224
♪♪
777
00:37:46,307 --> 00:37:48,309
Reporter: The bodies of
Karen Mandic and Diane Wilder
778
00:37:48,435 --> 00:37:52,105
were found stuffed in the
back seat of Ms. Mandic's car.
779
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:54,649
McEachran: The bodies were very
carefully removed,
780
00:37:54,774 --> 00:37:56,901
and the evidence was preserved,
781
00:37:56,985 --> 00:38:00,405
and the bodies were then
taken to a funeral home
782
00:38:00,488 --> 00:38:04,909
where autopsies were conducted
that morning.
783
00:38:04,993 --> 00:38:06,911
There were large ligature marks
784
00:38:06,995 --> 00:38:10,206
on the necks
of both of the girls,
785
00:38:10,290 --> 00:38:11,958
and this looked like
it was a rope.
786
00:38:12,083 --> 00:38:14,044
It wasn't a wire,
it was something wider,
787
00:38:14,127 --> 00:38:15,920
which would indicate
they were strangled.
788
00:38:16,004 --> 00:38:17,547
Reporter: The women were killed
only hours
789
00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:18,965
after the disappearance.
790
00:38:19,049 --> 00:38:21,593
McEachran: This just was
a very alarming case,
791
00:38:21,676 --> 00:38:23,803
because Bellingham's
a very safe place.
792
00:38:23,887 --> 00:38:26,765
These were two young
college girls.
793
00:38:26,848 --> 00:38:30,685
And it really concerned
everyone in the community.
794
00:38:30,810 --> 00:38:32,687
It is something
that we just did not
795
00:38:32,812 --> 00:38:35,523
have a great deal
of background with.
796
00:38:35,648 --> 00:38:38,026
♪♪
797
00:38:38,151 --> 00:38:40,278
I started getting
search warrants.
798
00:38:40,362 --> 00:38:43,823
And in Bianchi's apartment
we found a piece of paper
799
00:38:43,907 --> 00:38:46,326
with Karen Mandic's name on it,
800
00:38:46,409 --> 00:38:48,203
which really contradicted
what he said,
801
00:38:48,328 --> 00:38:49,829
that he just knew her
in passing.
802
00:38:49,954 --> 00:38:51,498
That just wasn't the case.
803
00:38:51,623 --> 00:38:53,083
We also found a number of items
804
00:38:53,166 --> 00:38:55,669
that had been stolen
from Fred Meyer's.
805
00:38:55,794 --> 00:38:58,588
And so I have only 72 hours
to charge someone
806
00:38:58,672 --> 00:39:00,840
with a crime
when we're holding them,
807
00:39:00,924 --> 00:39:03,843
so I charge him with possession
of stolen property.
808
00:39:03,968 --> 00:39:05,095
Reporter: Charging the suspect
809
00:39:05,178 --> 00:39:06,596
with possession
of stolen property
810
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,265
this afternoon buys authorities
some time
811
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:11,851
to complete
their investigation.
812
00:39:11,976 --> 00:39:14,562
Wilson: Police have not charged
Bianchi with the murders,
813
00:39:14,688 --> 00:39:16,022
but they say they believe
814
00:39:16,106 --> 00:39:19,317
they have evidence
linking him to the killings.
815
00:39:19,401 --> 00:39:22,529
At the crime scene, it looked
like the entire home
816
00:39:22,654 --> 00:39:24,239
had been wiped down.
817
00:39:24,364 --> 00:39:26,032
McEachran: There were not
fingerprints on areas
818
00:39:26,116 --> 00:39:27,951
that you would expect
to find fingerprints
819
00:39:28,034 --> 00:39:30,578
from people living in a home.
820
00:39:30,704 --> 00:39:32,455
They also found a pubic hair,
821
00:39:32,539 --> 00:39:35,959
when they lifted Diane Wilder's
body out of the car,
822
00:39:36,042 --> 00:39:40,046
that was on her clothing
that matched, microscopically,
823
00:39:40,171 --> 00:39:43,216
the characteristics
of pubic hair for Mr. Bianchi.
824
00:39:43,341 --> 00:39:45,635
Hair isn't a positive
identification.
825
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:46,886
It's not like fingerprints.
826
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:48,972
We didn't have DNA
in those days.
827
00:39:49,055 --> 00:39:52,892
But it certainly is enough
to get you closer and closer.
828
00:39:52,976 --> 00:39:54,936
The evidence was sent
to the FBI Laboratory
829
00:39:55,061 --> 00:39:56,896
in Washington, D.C..
830
00:39:57,022 --> 00:39:58,523
The investigation
is proceeding rapidly.
831
00:39:58,606 --> 00:40:02,694
The FBI is proceeding very
rapidly with our examination.
832
00:40:02,777 --> 00:40:06,072
Once the FBI gave us
the further facts,
833
00:40:06,197 --> 00:40:08,283
tying Bianchi with the girls,
834
00:40:08,408 --> 00:40:11,036
we were starting to really get
the full picture
835
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:13,747
of exactly what
was going on here.
836
00:40:13,872 --> 00:40:15,915
And I subsequently amended
the information
837
00:40:15,999 --> 00:40:18,752
that I charged him with,
possession of stolen property,
838
00:40:18,877 --> 00:40:21,212
to two counts
of first degree murder.
839
00:40:21,296 --> 00:40:26,801
♪♪
840
00:40:26,926 --> 00:40:28,261
Davis: To say
that Kenneth Bianchi
841
00:40:28,345 --> 00:40:31,097
had a troubled childhood
is putting it mildly.
842
00:40:31,222 --> 00:40:35,393
He is an individual who wants
to be dominant and in control,
843
00:40:35,477 --> 00:40:38,938
and he wants to see other people
as submissive,
844
00:40:39,022 --> 00:40:41,066
submissive to him.
845
00:40:41,149 --> 00:40:44,819
On the surface, though,
Bianchi could appear normal.
846
00:40:44,944 --> 00:40:47,113
You keep saying
I killed those girls.
847
00:40:47,197 --> 00:40:48,448
I didn't.
848
00:40:48,531 --> 00:40:49,949
He had said a number of times
849
00:40:50,033 --> 00:40:52,369
that the real killer
is still there.
850
00:40:52,452 --> 00:40:55,038
I'm the one
who's getting the blame.
851
00:40:55,121 --> 00:40:58,458
The defense attorney claimed
that Mr. Bianchi
852
00:40:58,583 --> 00:41:00,502
was a multiple personality.
853
00:41:00,627 --> 00:41:02,462
Man: What's your name?
854
00:41:02,587 --> 00:41:05,006
Steve.
855
00:41:05,131 --> 00:41:08,802
The name, Stephen Walker,
was a name that interested us.
856
00:41:08,927 --> 00:41:12,472
Up here in Bellingham,
what did Steve do up here?
857
00:41:12,597 --> 00:41:16,476
Right from the jump,
it was a bad performance.
858
00:41:16,601 --> 00:41:19,145
While he was supposedly
under hypnosis,
859
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:22,857
"Steve" mentioned his cousin.
860
00:41:22,982 --> 00:41:25,360
Has he killed anybody?
861
00:41:25,485 --> 00:41:26,569
Yeah.
862
00:41:26,653 --> 00:41:29,322
How many?
He has.
863
00:41:29,447 --> 00:41:30,782
Five girls.
864
00:41:30,865 --> 00:41:34,536
And we all are thinking, this is
probably the second strangler.
865
00:41:34,661 --> 00:41:40,667
♪♪
866
00:41:40,750 --> 00:41:42,002
The arrest of Kenneth Bianchi
867
00:41:42,127 --> 00:41:43,837
for the murders
of two young women
868
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,006
in Bellingham, Washington,
at first,
869
00:41:46,089 --> 00:41:48,133
appears to be
an isolated incident.
870
00:41:48,216 --> 00:41:50,802
But very quickly,
detectives realize the case
871
00:41:50,885 --> 00:41:52,846
is much bigger than it seems.
872
00:41:52,929 --> 00:41:55,098
Could Bianchi and
the Washington killings
873
00:41:55,181 --> 00:41:57,350
be tied
to something more sinister?
874
00:41:57,475 --> 00:42:00,145
A shocking confession
in part two of
875
00:42:00,228 --> 00:42:02,022
"The Hillside Stranglers."
876
00:42:02,105 --> 00:42:03,523
I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
877
00:42:03,606 --> 00:42:04,858
Thanks for watching.
878
00:42:04,941 --> 00:42:07,235
Goodnight.
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