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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,376 --> 00:00:11,636 ♪♪ 2 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,015 Bianchi: There was no real discussion of a killing. 3 00:00:15,140 --> 00:00:17,559 It just seems like it was an automatic thing 4 00:00:17,684 --> 00:00:19,477 that would happen. 5 00:00:19,561 --> 00:00:21,896 It was always a spur of the moment thing. 6 00:00:22,022 --> 00:00:25,066 There was never any planning beforehand. 7 00:00:25,191 --> 00:00:32,866 ♪♪ 8 00:00:32,991 --> 00:00:40,707 ♪♪ 9 00:00:40,832 --> 00:00:48,340 ♪♪ 10 00:00:48,423 --> 00:00:50,216 Welcome to "Very Scary People." 11 00:00:50,342 --> 00:00:51,551 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 12 00:00:51,676 --> 00:00:54,262 Los Angeles, California, in the 1970s 13 00:00:54,387 --> 00:00:56,431 was a place where dreams were made, 14 00:00:56,556 --> 00:00:59,059 in the movie studios, and on the beaches. 15 00:00:59,142 --> 00:01:03,063 But in the fall of 1977, over a period of four months, 16 00:01:03,188 --> 00:01:05,899 the city was terrorized by a predator, 17 00:01:05,982 --> 00:01:07,067 hunting young women 18 00:01:07,150 --> 00:01:09,235 and displaying their dead bodies in public. 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,322 Despite a massive police effort to find the killer, 20 00:01:12,405 --> 00:01:14,115 the body count kept rising. 21 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,201 The terrifying murder spree would go down 22 00:01:16,284 --> 00:01:19,454 as one of the most notorious in U.S. history. 23 00:01:19,579 --> 00:01:22,415 This is "The Hillside Stranglers." 24 00:01:22,540 --> 00:01:29,923 ♪♪ 25 00:01:30,006 --> 00:01:37,013 ♪♪ 26 00:01:37,097 --> 00:01:40,600 Renner: Kristina Weckler was a 20-year-old art student, 27 00:01:40,684 --> 00:01:42,018 talented girl. 28 00:01:42,102 --> 00:01:47,232 Everyone described her as studious and quiet, 29 00:01:47,315 --> 00:01:49,442 a real sweetheart. 30 00:01:49,567 --> 00:01:52,529 She lived on her own, and she and a friend, 31 00:01:52,612 --> 00:01:55,448 another student at the Art Institute, 32 00:01:55,573 --> 00:01:57,659 both single women in L.A., 33 00:01:57,784 --> 00:02:00,453 they kind of made, like, a pinky swear, 34 00:02:00,537 --> 00:02:02,789 "Let's keep each other safe." 35 00:02:02,872 --> 00:02:07,794 So they made a promise to each other to be there just in case. 36 00:02:07,919 --> 00:02:11,089 ♪♪ 37 00:02:11,172 --> 00:02:13,633 And so on a Monday morning, 38 00:02:13,758 --> 00:02:17,053 when Kristina didn't show up for her class, 39 00:02:17,137 --> 00:02:18,805 as she normally would, 40 00:02:18,930 --> 00:02:21,349 her friend became very, very alarmed. 41 00:02:21,474 --> 00:02:23,393 This is not like Kristina at all. 42 00:02:23,476 --> 00:02:25,228 This is out of character. 43 00:02:25,311 --> 00:02:27,147 ♪♪ 44 00:02:27,272 --> 00:02:31,943 So the friend drove over to Kristina's apartment 45 00:02:32,027 --> 00:02:36,698 and found Kristina's Volkswagen was parked in its usual spot. 46 00:02:36,823 --> 00:02:39,993 So she thought, "Well, maybe she's just sick." 47 00:02:40,118 --> 00:02:45,373 She went up to Kristina's apartment door and knocked, 48 00:02:45,498 --> 00:02:48,501 and there wasn't any answer. 49 00:02:48,626 --> 00:02:51,671 Now she's starting to get really worried, 50 00:02:51,755 --> 00:02:56,092 so she went and cornered the apartment manager. 51 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:57,927 He opens the apartment. 52 00:02:58,011 --> 00:03:02,599 They go in, and everything looks normal. 53 00:03:02,682 --> 00:03:04,684 Her art supplies are out. 54 00:03:04,809 --> 00:03:06,936 Her bed is turned down. 55 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:09,814 There's no evidence of any kind struggle 56 00:03:09,898 --> 00:03:13,068 or any kind of violence in the apartment. 57 00:03:13,193 --> 00:03:18,531 The really eerie thing is that Kristina is not there. 58 00:03:18,615 --> 00:03:27,207 ♪♪ 59 00:03:27,290 --> 00:03:31,378 The body of Kristina Weckler was found. 60 00:03:31,503 --> 00:03:33,505 And things got even sicker. 61 00:03:33,588 --> 00:03:36,216 Renner: There were marks of sexual assault. 62 00:03:36,341 --> 00:03:41,429 She had been violently sexually assaulted and just dumped. 63 00:03:41,554 --> 00:03:48,895 There were marks on her arms, like maybe an IV drug user. 64 00:03:48,978 --> 00:03:52,524 But that didn't fit Kristina's personality at all. 65 00:03:52,607 --> 00:03:55,235 It was my understanding that she was not a drug addict 66 00:03:55,318 --> 00:03:57,070 or involved in drug activity. 67 00:03:57,153 --> 00:03:59,572 ♪♪ 68 00:03:59,698 --> 00:04:00,990 Renner: There was a knock at her door... 69 00:04:01,074 --> 00:04:02,075 [ Knocking ] 70 00:04:02,158 --> 00:04:05,620 ...and it was a former neighbor of hers. 71 00:04:05,745 --> 00:04:09,958 And he said, "Something's happened to your car, 72 00:04:10,083 --> 00:04:13,670 and I think you better come out and take a look at it." 73 00:04:13,753 --> 00:04:15,255 So she did. 74 00:04:17,090 --> 00:04:20,593 "She was driven to a house where she was dragged around 75 00:04:20,719 --> 00:04:22,262 and tied up." 76 00:04:22,387 --> 00:04:24,472 ♪♪ 77 00:04:24,597 --> 00:04:26,725 She was injected with a substance, 78 00:04:26,808 --> 00:04:29,269 usually used to clean windows. 79 00:04:29,352 --> 00:04:33,356 Which caused her to go into violent convulsions. 80 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,442 ♪♪ 81 00:04:35,525 --> 00:04:37,652 But she didn't die. 82 00:04:37,777 --> 00:04:39,946 She was dragged into the kitchen, 83 00:04:40,030 --> 00:04:43,283 and a plastic bag put over her head, 84 00:04:43,366 --> 00:04:47,287 and a gas pipe put into the bag. 85 00:04:47,412 --> 00:04:51,583 She's gasping for air, the bag is going in and out 86 00:04:51,666 --> 00:04:56,546 as the gas is being pumped into it. 87 00:04:56,629 --> 00:05:01,176 So in the course of however long she was in captivity there, 88 00:05:01,301 --> 00:05:05,263 she was injected with a cleaning substance, 89 00:05:05,347 --> 00:05:09,059 and she was gassed before she was finally killed, 90 00:05:09,142 --> 00:05:14,606 and it was by means of a cord wrapped around the neck. 91 00:05:14,689 --> 00:05:18,276 Death must've seemed a mercy for her. 92 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,696 Kristina was just one of the many victims 93 00:05:21,821 --> 00:05:23,531 of the Hillside Stranglers. 94 00:05:23,656 --> 00:05:26,826 ♪♪ 95 00:05:26,910 --> 00:05:29,621 Some people had puncture marks. 96 00:05:29,704 --> 00:05:32,457 Some had Burns on their hands. 97 00:05:32,540 --> 00:05:34,209 They were tortured. 98 00:05:34,334 --> 00:05:36,211 ♪♪ 99 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:38,171 Meredith: People were being taken off the streets 100 00:05:38,296 --> 00:05:41,341 and turning up murdered in some very horrendous ways. 101 00:05:41,466 --> 00:05:43,176 Davis: Everyone is going crazy. 102 00:05:43,259 --> 00:05:45,553 Police knew they were dealing with a real sicko out there. 103 00:05:45,679 --> 00:05:48,682 Are we dealing with someone with a medical background, 104 00:05:48,807 --> 00:05:51,226 because the bodies were all cleaned? 105 00:05:51,351 --> 00:05:52,310 No one knew. 106 00:05:52,394 --> 00:05:54,312 It was getting stranger by the week. 107 00:05:54,396 --> 00:05:56,147 It was extremely alarming. 108 00:05:56,231 --> 00:05:58,316 And no solution to the series of murders 109 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,943 appears to be in sight. 110 00:06:00,026 --> 00:06:01,361 We were defenseless. 111 00:06:01,444 --> 00:06:03,405 Who will be the next victim? 112 00:06:03,530 --> 00:06:05,281 Where will they be found? 113 00:06:05,365 --> 00:06:06,950 Will it be someone I know? 114 00:06:07,033 --> 00:06:08,493 It was a crazy, crazy time. 115 00:06:08,576 --> 00:06:11,204 ♪♪ 116 00:06:11,329 --> 00:06:16,876 Renner: The 1970s in Los Angeles was pretty much wide open. 117 00:06:17,002 --> 00:06:19,504 So there were a lot of people on the streets, 118 00:06:19,587 --> 00:06:20,839 especially in Hollywood, 119 00:06:20,922 --> 00:06:22,757 because there was a lot of nightclubs there. 120 00:06:22,882 --> 00:06:24,843 A lot of social activities, a lot of concerts, 121 00:06:24,926 --> 00:06:27,053 rock 'n' roll, very laissez faire. 122 00:06:27,178 --> 00:06:29,014 ♪♪ 123 00:06:29,097 --> 00:06:32,892 It was also a much more trusting era. 124 00:06:32,976 --> 00:06:36,563 A lot of people were hitchhiking. 125 00:06:36,688 --> 00:06:40,650 Now parents don't even let their children walk down 126 00:06:40,734 --> 00:06:43,820 one block to school without an escort. 127 00:06:43,903 --> 00:06:46,281 I think it was just a different time. 128 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:50,243 Renner: And there was still that element of sexual revolution, 129 00:06:50,368 --> 00:06:53,788 and so women were behaving in ways 130 00:06:53,913 --> 00:06:56,958 that they hadn't done in earlier years. 131 00:06:57,083 --> 00:06:59,753 Davis: I think women felt a lot more comfortable 132 00:06:59,878 --> 00:07:03,048 walking down the street, and it was a free time. 133 00:07:03,131 --> 00:07:05,717 It was a little post-the hippie era. 134 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,010 It was going to the beach. 135 00:07:07,093 --> 00:07:09,721 It was a party atmosphere in Los Angeles. 136 00:07:09,804 --> 00:07:12,307 It was a have-no-fear period of time. 137 00:07:12,432 --> 00:07:15,143 But it was about to be overshadowed by tragedy. 138 00:07:15,268 --> 00:07:19,022 Renner: In late 1977, bodies of young women start turning up 139 00:07:19,105 --> 00:07:21,775 around Los Angeles. 140 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:29,824 ♪♪ 141 00:07:31,701 --> 00:07:35,830 ♪♪ 142 00:07:35,955 --> 00:07:38,124 Davis: 19-year-old Yolanda Washington's body 143 00:07:38,249 --> 00:07:42,212 was found on the slopes of Forest Lawn Cemetery. 144 00:07:42,295 --> 00:07:44,214 A prostitute had been murdered 145 00:07:44,297 --> 00:07:47,676 and dropped off naked on a hillside. 146 00:07:47,801 --> 00:07:50,637 Davis: There were ligature marks on her and her body was cleaned. 147 00:07:50,762 --> 00:07:53,973 But in a rather sad commentary, maybe on our society, 148 00:07:54,057 --> 00:07:55,975 it didn't receive that much news coverage 149 00:07:56,059 --> 00:07:57,977 because she was a prostitute, 150 00:07:58,061 --> 00:08:01,314 another day, another murder in L.A.. 151 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:04,234 I became involved in researching prostitution 152 00:08:04,317 --> 00:08:06,986 as a graduate student at UCLA, 153 00:08:07,070 --> 00:08:09,864 and that's how I met Yolanda Washington. 154 00:08:11,157 --> 00:08:14,577 Yolanda Washington was a beautiful, young 155 00:08:14,661 --> 00:08:16,037 African-American woman 156 00:08:16,162 --> 00:08:21,668 who was very slim and very sweet and very endearing. 157 00:08:21,793 --> 00:08:23,837 She had a 3-year-old child at home. 158 00:08:23,962 --> 00:08:26,756 She was trying hard to get off the streets, 159 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,425 also working as a waitress, 160 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:31,011 and did a little bit of prostitution work. 161 00:08:31,136 --> 00:08:32,637 [ Car horn honks ] 162 00:08:32,721 --> 00:08:36,182 She did a number of things in order to support her baby. 163 00:08:36,266 --> 00:08:38,018 ♪♪ 164 00:08:38,143 --> 00:08:41,354 Her friends called me and said, "We know who killed her." 165 00:08:41,479 --> 00:08:43,565 And I said, "Well, what happened?" 166 00:08:43,690 --> 00:08:46,151 And they said, "She'd stolen a car from her pimp," 167 00:08:46,234 --> 00:08:48,403 who was a dope dealer and had a lot of drugs in the trunk, 168 00:08:48,528 --> 00:08:50,989 and they're sure that he had killed her, 169 00:08:51,072 --> 00:08:53,199 which turned out not to be the case. 170 00:08:53,324 --> 00:08:58,538 ♪♪ 171 00:08:58,663 --> 00:09:01,166 Meredith: Not too long after that, there was a homicide. 172 00:09:01,249 --> 00:09:06,379 It was the morning after Halloween, November 1st, 1977. 173 00:09:06,463 --> 00:09:08,798 A young girl, her body was found posed naked 174 00:09:08,882 --> 00:09:11,384 on a front lawn of a house in an area 175 00:09:11,509 --> 00:09:14,179 that doesn't have any crime, and it's very remote. 176 00:09:14,262 --> 00:09:16,056 It was just a few blocks from the junior high school 177 00:09:16,139 --> 00:09:17,724 that I had attended. 178 00:09:17,849 --> 00:09:21,227 This wasn't something that happened in our neighborhood. 179 00:09:21,353 --> 00:09:24,564 Absolutely positively unheard of. 180 00:09:24,689 --> 00:09:27,484 Judith Miller, that's the one that alarmed 181 00:09:27,567 --> 00:09:29,569 and unhinged everybody. 182 00:09:29,694 --> 00:09:32,364 Davis: Judy Miller went to Hollywood High School. 183 00:09:32,447 --> 00:09:35,700 She was considered a runaway street child. 184 00:09:35,784 --> 00:09:37,577 Body was face up, and, actually, 185 00:09:37,660 --> 00:09:40,121 a neighbor put a tarp over the body 186 00:09:40,246 --> 00:09:41,748 before the police even arrived 187 00:09:41,831 --> 00:09:45,460 to hide it from neighborhood school kids going to school. 188 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:50,590 Police later find a witness who says that he saw Judy Miller 189 00:09:50,674 --> 00:09:53,259 getting into a car with a man outside 190 00:09:53,385 --> 00:09:55,679 Carney's restaurant in West Hollywood. 191 00:09:55,762 --> 00:09:57,514 But that was all the guy knew, 192 00:09:57,597 --> 00:10:00,600 and it didn't give investigators much to work with. 193 00:10:00,725 --> 00:10:04,020 ♪♪ 194 00:10:04,104 --> 00:10:05,939 Meredith: Then, several days after that, 195 00:10:06,064 --> 00:10:09,192 we had a murder in the city of Glendale. 196 00:10:09,275 --> 00:10:10,860 Renner: Elissa Kastin was a member 197 00:10:10,944 --> 00:10:13,363 of a dance troupe called the L.A. Knockers. 198 00:10:13,446 --> 00:10:16,282 Davis: The L.A. Knockers fit in with the disco scene 199 00:10:16,366 --> 00:10:19,577 of dancing on roller skates, and it was a happy period 200 00:10:19,661 --> 00:10:21,955 during that time in Southern California. 201 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,375 ♪♪ 202 00:10:25,458 --> 00:10:27,794 De Reyes: Her body was found on an embankment 203 00:10:27,919 --> 00:10:30,296 near the Glendale Country Club. 204 00:10:30,422 --> 00:10:34,926 Once again, raped, tortured, rope marks on her, 205 00:10:35,010 --> 00:10:37,137 body had been cleaned. 206 00:10:37,220 --> 00:10:38,805 That's when it hit us. 207 00:10:38,888 --> 00:10:40,473 There's a strangler out there. 208 00:10:40,598 --> 00:10:43,643 ♪♪ 209 00:10:43,727 --> 00:10:46,521 Martin: Many of the young women are scared out of their minds. 210 00:10:46,646 --> 00:10:47,689 We're young people. 211 00:10:47,814 --> 00:10:49,733 We've not experienced something like this 212 00:10:49,816 --> 00:10:51,484 anywhere in our life's history. 213 00:10:51,609 --> 00:10:54,863 The series of murders was completely foreign to us. 214 00:10:54,988 --> 00:11:00,160 There was all this talk about, we all need to stick together. 215 00:11:00,243 --> 00:11:02,495 Broberg: Lissa Kastin wasn't a prostitute. 216 00:11:02,620 --> 00:11:05,165 She's looked at as this middle-class tragedy, 217 00:11:05,248 --> 00:11:07,542 whereas the other victims were portrayed 218 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:09,836 as having this inappropriate lifestyle, 219 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:13,465 and, therefore, I think were easier to dismiss 220 00:11:13,548 --> 00:11:17,385 in terms of any patterns of possible serial murder. 221 00:11:17,510 --> 00:11:20,013 And in some ways, you could probably argue that this is 222 00:11:20,138 --> 00:11:22,307 where the turning point happened, 223 00:11:22,390 --> 00:11:26,478 where the police begin to get pressure to form a task force. 224 00:11:26,561 --> 00:11:29,356 We're starting to pay attention a lot more to what is going on. 225 00:11:29,481 --> 00:11:33,276 And then shortly thereafter, other bodies started popping up. 226 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,030 And then, more and more and more bodies, all women, 227 00:11:37,113 --> 00:11:38,990 all showed up on hillsides 228 00:11:39,074 --> 00:11:41,576 in fairly close proximity to one another. 229 00:11:41,701 --> 00:11:46,206 There turned out, though, to be certain traits -- 230 00:11:46,331 --> 00:11:48,917 that the body had been moved, number one. 231 00:11:49,042 --> 00:11:52,337 Usually a body is found near where they were killed. 232 00:11:52,420 --> 00:11:54,547 Number two, the ligature marks. 233 00:11:54,673 --> 00:11:57,676 Number three, the cleaning of the bodies, 234 00:11:57,759 --> 00:12:00,220 which was extremely unusual. 235 00:12:00,303 --> 00:12:03,390 Of course, news being news and profit being profit, 236 00:12:03,473 --> 00:12:06,184 news people came up with a scary moniker, 237 00:12:06,267 --> 00:12:09,270 "The Hillside Strangler." 238 00:12:09,396 --> 00:12:11,231 And it's got the residents, 239 00:12:11,314 --> 00:12:14,943 particularly the women, in a state of panic, 240 00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:19,155 because nothing seems to tie these victims together. 241 00:12:19,239 --> 00:12:21,991 They haven't got a lead on a killer. 242 00:12:22,075 --> 00:12:24,703 They have no idea what's going on. 243 00:12:24,786 --> 00:12:26,913 Davis: Fear permeated the air of Southern California 244 00:12:27,038 --> 00:12:29,416 like an invisible poisonous gas. 245 00:12:29,499 --> 00:12:31,418 Women were scared for their lives. 246 00:12:31,501 --> 00:12:34,087 Men were scared for their wives and their daughters. 247 00:12:34,212 --> 00:12:35,964 It was a very frightening time. 248 00:12:36,089 --> 00:12:38,049 ♪♪ 249 00:12:38,133 --> 00:12:39,259 I had been married a year. 250 00:12:39,384 --> 00:12:40,760 My wife was a deputy sheriff. 251 00:12:40,885 --> 00:12:43,722 She carried a gun, and I still worried for her. 252 00:12:43,805 --> 00:12:46,057 Every police officer I know was working 253 00:12:46,141 --> 00:12:48,226 was fearful for their families. 254 00:12:48,309 --> 00:12:50,770 I graduated from high school in 1977. 255 00:12:50,895 --> 00:12:55,191 I went to work in retail in the Glendale Galleria. 256 00:12:55,275 --> 00:12:58,111 It was a very large shopping mall. 257 00:12:58,194 --> 00:13:00,530 By and large, the feeling was terror. 258 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:02,449 All the employees were required to park 259 00:13:02,574 --> 00:13:04,576 in a specific section at the mall. 260 00:13:04,659 --> 00:13:09,414 That both made things easier and a little more difficult. 261 00:13:09,497 --> 00:13:11,791 So somebody studying the women working at the mall, 262 00:13:11,875 --> 00:13:13,752 they knew where they would be transitioning 263 00:13:13,835 --> 00:13:16,796 to at the start at work and at the finish of work. 264 00:13:16,921 --> 00:13:19,466 Our store mandated that the male employees 265 00:13:19,549 --> 00:13:22,969 escort the women to and from their cars. 266 00:13:23,053 --> 00:13:24,971 You look at what went on in the U.S. 267 00:13:25,096 --> 00:13:30,101 in terms of serial murder, it was a very active time. 268 00:13:30,185 --> 00:13:31,561 Jones: Theodore Bundy was a suspect 269 00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:34,314 in the sex-related murders or disappearance 270 00:13:34,397 --> 00:13:36,900 of more than 30 other women in four states 271 00:13:36,983 --> 00:13:39,861 between 1974 and 1978. 272 00:13:39,986 --> 00:13:43,823 Man: Gacy was convicted of the sex slayings of 33 young men. 273 00:13:43,907 --> 00:13:45,158 The seven-year killing spree 274 00:13:45,241 --> 00:13:47,327 ended with the discovery of dozens of bodies 275 00:13:47,452 --> 00:13:49,913 buried under his home in suburban Chicago. 276 00:13:49,996 --> 00:13:53,500 Broberg: It was just a scenario where serial killing, 277 00:13:53,625 --> 00:13:55,710 for whatever reason, whether it's because 278 00:13:55,835 --> 00:13:59,339 people were doing these copycat-type of aspects 279 00:13:59,464 --> 00:14:01,925 or whether it was just the frustration 280 00:14:02,008 --> 00:14:03,259 of what was going on in society, 281 00:14:03,343 --> 00:14:05,595 and you have a lot of men kind of going down 282 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,764 this path of serial killing during this time. 283 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:17,732 ♪♪ 284 00:14:20,110 --> 00:14:27,701 ♪♪ 285 00:14:27,784 --> 00:14:31,496 Renner: Dolores Cepeda and Sonja Johnson, 286 00:14:31,579 --> 00:14:35,750 12- and 14-year-old girls, took a bus from their home 287 00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:41,214 out to the Eagle Rock Plaza to go shopping. 288 00:14:41,339 --> 00:14:44,050 Sonja, you can see that she looks just like 289 00:14:44,175 --> 00:14:46,720 on the cusp of womanhood, just kind of getting there, 290 00:14:46,803 --> 00:14:49,848 but still you can still see that gangly kid. 291 00:14:49,931 --> 00:14:53,768 And Dolores, she's just flat out a kid. 292 00:14:53,893 --> 00:14:55,895 They spent the better part of the day out there 293 00:14:56,021 --> 00:14:58,398 like teenage girls will do. 294 00:14:58,481 --> 00:15:01,067 They caught the bus to come back, 295 00:15:01,192 --> 00:15:08,408 and what they didn't know is that they were being watched, 296 00:15:08,533 --> 00:15:11,828 and they were being hunted. 297 00:15:11,911 --> 00:15:14,205 There was another passenger on the bus, 298 00:15:14,289 --> 00:15:18,501 and he's watching them get off the bus in Eagle Rock area. 299 00:15:18,585 --> 00:15:23,840 And he notices the girls go over to a two-tone car, 300 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:27,719 and they sort of lean in on the passenger side, 301 00:15:27,802 --> 00:15:31,931 and they're talking to someone, and then the bus pulls away, 302 00:15:32,015 --> 00:15:33,808 and he loses sight of them. 303 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:37,103 ♪♪ 304 00:15:37,228 --> 00:15:41,274 Dolores and Sonja weren't in the habit of not returning home 305 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:43,068 when they said they were gonna be home, 306 00:15:43,151 --> 00:15:47,572 and so when they didn't show up, after their shopping excursion, 307 00:15:47,655 --> 00:15:49,282 their families are really concerned, 308 00:15:49,366 --> 00:15:51,117 and they're on it right away. 309 00:15:51,201 --> 00:15:53,286 And they report them missing. 310 00:15:53,411 --> 00:15:56,289 They put their school pictures on flyers 311 00:15:56,373 --> 00:15:58,291 that they put up around the neighborhood. 312 00:15:58,416 --> 00:16:02,462 ♪♪ 313 00:16:02,587 --> 00:16:04,631 A week later, a 9-year-old boy 314 00:16:04,714 --> 00:16:08,468 was rummaging through a trash dump near Dodger Stadium. 315 00:16:08,551 --> 00:16:11,054 Renner: He's going through a trash heap, 316 00:16:11,137 --> 00:16:15,642 and he comes on what he thinks may be mannequins. 317 00:16:15,767 --> 00:16:19,479 As he got closer, he said that there were flies all over them, 318 00:16:19,562 --> 00:16:25,402 and that's when he realized that something was wrong. 319 00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:31,825 Renner: It's Delores and Sonja in garbage. 320 00:16:31,950 --> 00:16:34,911 What really made this one hurt, they were just 12- 321 00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:38,748 and 14-year-old girls. 322 00:16:38,832 --> 00:16:43,628 Renner: They were so small and so helpless. 323 00:16:43,712 --> 00:16:48,842 I mean, there's no way that any rational reasonable person 324 00:16:48,967 --> 00:16:51,761 can comprehend that level of depravity. 325 00:16:51,845 --> 00:16:54,097 I don't see how anyone of us could do it. 326 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:56,182 ♪♪ 327 00:16:56,266 --> 00:16:59,644 De Reyes: Once the girls were found, police spoke to the boy 328 00:16:59,728 --> 00:17:02,022 who saw them exit the bus. 329 00:17:02,105 --> 00:17:04,399 Renner: He saw Dolores and Sonja go up to a car 330 00:17:04,524 --> 00:17:06,067 to the passenger side, 331 00:17:06,192 --> 00:17:09,863 which led them to believe there were two people in the car. 332 00:17:09,988 --> 00:17:11,364 Reporter: And you feel it would have had to have been 333 00:17:11,489 --> 00:17:12,699 two people to handle the two girls? 334 00:17:12,824 --> 00:17:14,200 Well, certainly, because Sonja was brought up 335 00:17:14,325 --> 00:17:18,538 that she didn't get into a car with anybody, except me. 336 00:17:18,663 --> 00:17:20,373 So she must have been forced into the car by someone. 337 00:17:20,498 --> 00:17:22,042 Certainly. 338 00:17:22,125 --> 00:17:26,254 Regardless of whether or not the two girls were forced, 339 00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:28,131 detectives realized they were likely 340 00:17:28,214 --> 00:17:30,925 looking for two perpetrators. 341 00:17:31,051 --> 00:17:33,553 One thing that threw all of us off 342 00:17:33,636 --> 00:17:37,682 is a pair of serial killers is almost unheard of. 343 00:17:37,766 --> 00:17:40,935 Serial killers are almost always one figure. 344 00:17:41,061 --> 00:17:44,356 Serial killers do not operate in pairs. 345 00:17:44,439 --> 00:17:47,525 Broberg: It is unique, because when you study serial killers, 346 00:17:47,609 --> 00:17:50,278 we refer to those as team killers. 347 00:17:50,403 --> 00:17:55,075 According to what data we have, I would say it's uncommon. 348 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,078 Meredith: There was statements badges had been flashed 349 00:17:58,161 --> 00:17:59,913 and a lot of concern. 350 00:17:59,996 --> 00:18:01,539 We weren't sure what we're looking at. 351 00:18:01,623 --> 00:18:04,417 Were they impersonating cops or were they cops? 352 00:18:04,542 --> 00:18:06,086 ♪♪ 353 00:18:06,211 --> 00:18:08,922 A lot of my girlfriends would say, "I saw a guy in a car. 354 00:18:09,047 --> 00:18:11,633 A guy tried to stop me in a car." 355 00:18:11,758 --> 00:18:13,760 Lee: Women were so scared in Los Angeles, 356 00:18:13,885 --> 00:18:15,887 and the police were so worried 357 00:18:15,970 --> 00:18:17,597 that it could be one of their own 358 00:18:17,722 --> 00:18:19,641 that they issued a statement 359 00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:22,102 that if a single woman was driving in a car, 360 00:18:22,227 --> 00:18:24,729 and a police officer tried to pull them over, 361 00:18:24,813 --> 00:18:28,108 that they didn't have to pull over. 362 00:18:28,191 --> 00:18:30,694 They were free to drive to a lighted area 363 00:18:30,777 --> 00:18:32,028 where they felt safe. 364 00:18:32,112 --> 00:18:35,740 That I don't think's ever been done. 365 00:18:35,824 --> 00:18:38,034 As the theory circulated that the killers might be 366 00:18:38,118 --> 00:18:39,327 in law enforcement, 367 00:18:39,452 --> 00:18:40,745 the daughter of a well-known celebrity 368 00:18:40,829 --> 00:18:43,873 was stopped by two men with badges. 369 00:18:43,957 --> 00:18:48,753 Actor Peter Lorre was famous primarily in the '30s and '40s. 370 00:18:48,837 --> 00:18:51,673 Catharine Lorre was a student, 371 00:18:51,798 --> 00:18:55,051 and she and a friend of hers were out in Hollywood. 372 00:18:55,135 --> 00:18:57,012 We got to about the middle of the street, 373 00:18:57,137 --> 00:19:01,474 and this car came around the corner and just cut us off. 374 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:04,144 At which point, two men got out of the car. 375 00:19:04,269 --> 00:19:07,022 Both of them were just kind of flashing badges. 376 00:19:07,147 --> 00:19:09,107 They asked Catharine for her ID. 377 00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:11,568 Lorre: In the first leaf of the wallet 378 00:19:11,651 --> 00:19:14,904 was pictures of my father and me. 379 00:19:14,988 --> 00:19:17,907 And so he started reading down the paper, 380 00:19:17,991 --> 00:19:23,163 and he got to the point at which he saw the name "Peter Lorre." 381 00:19:23,288 --> 00:19:26,166 At that point they kind of were just hesitant. 382 00:19:26,291 --> 00:19:29,919 And they said, "Well, okay, you know, I guess that's all right." 383 00:19:30,003 --> 00:19:33,840 I've done thousands of news stories in the 30 years 384 00:19:33,923 --> 00:19:35,717 that I worked in television. 385 00:19:35,842 --> 00:19:38,928 The one that stuck with me most was with Catharine Lorre, 386 00:19:39,012 --> 00:19:45,060 just because how close she came to death. 387 00:19:45,185 --> 00:19:47,812 She just happened to pull that card out 388 00:19:47,896 --> 00:19:50,565 and say that she was Peter Lorre's daughter, 389 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:53,943 and that it apparently froze them into inaction. 390 00:19:54,027 --> 00:19:55,945 Davis: They didn't want to get involved with that 391 00:19:56,029 --> 00:19:57,697 and let her go. 392 00:19:57,781 --> 00:20:02,160 And now, two men had been spotted by witnesses. 393 00:20:02,243 --> 00:20:04,454 Police officers and detectives were holding 394 00:20:04,537 --> 00:20:06,081 constant news conferences 395 00:20:06,206 --> 00:20:07,874 and having to put up with reporters 396 00:20:07,999 --> 00:20:11,878 shouting questions to them, "Why can't you solve this case?" 397 00:20:11,961 --> 00:20:15,256 Well, solving a crime is hard. 398 00:20:15,382 --> 00:20:18,176 And no one was more frustrated than police. 399 00:20:18,259 --> 00:20:21,221 We were clueless trying to solve this at this point. 400 00:20:21,346 --> 00:20:25,100 ♪♪ 401 00:20:25,225 --> 00:20:27,686 Even though detectives had no leads, 402 00:20:27,769 --> 00:20:30,063 they started to notice a pattern. 403 00:20:30,188 --> 00:20:31,940 Meredith: One of the things that came up in the case is 404 00:20:32,065 --> 00:20:35,235 you started looking at the way the bodies were being dumped, 405 00:20:35,318 --> 00:20:38,988 and it was actually painting what I will call a semi-circle 406 00:20:39,072 --> 00:20:41,116 or crescent around the city of Glendale. 407 00:20:41,241 --> 00:20:43,660 Reporter: Most of them found within a seven-mile radius 408 00:20:43,743 --> 00:20:46,579 of Griffith Park and the Golden State Freeway. 409 00:20:46,705 --> 00:20:47,956 My personal impression, 410 00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:49,749 that it was somebody from the city of Glendale 411 00:20:49,833 --> 00:20:51,334 that was trying to dump the bodies 412 00:20:51,418 --> 00:20:52,877 outside of the city of Glendale 413 00:20:52,961 --> 00:20:54,921 so that wouldn't lead back to them. 414 00:20:55,046 --> 00:20:58,633 ♪♪ 415 00:20:58,758 --> 00:21:00,176 De Reyes: The murders are mounting, 416 00:21:00,260 --> 00:21:01,928 the public is terrified, 417 00:21:02,053 --> 00:21:05,598 and police are facing tremendous pressure to solve this case. 418 00:21:05,682 --> 00:21:10,020 The stranglers became bolder and bolder as time went on. 419 00:21:10,103 --> 00:21:13,189 It was like there was a statement being made here. 420 00:21:13,273 --> 00:21:15,275 This is what we think about women, 421 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,611 and this is what we think about the city of Los Angeles. 422 00:21:18,695 --> 00:21:24,159 ♪♪ 423 00:21:26,703 --> 00:21:32,167 ♪♪ 424 00:21:32,292 --> 00:21:34,878 Welcome back to "Very Scary People." 425 00:21:34,961 --> 00:21:37,213 By late November 1977, 426 00:21:37,297 --> 00:21:39,799 the bodies of seven young women have been found, 427 00:21:39,924 --> 00:21:42,260 dumped on the hillsides of Los Angeles. 428 00:21:42,344 --> 00:21:44,971 Investigators have few if any leads. 429 00:21:45,055 --> 00:21:47,640 But the media has given the killer a name, 430 00:21:47,724 --> 00:21:49,184 the Hillside Strangler. 431 00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:51,019 Some witnesses report that the crimes 432 00:21:51,144 --> 00:21:53,480 seem to be the work of more than one man, 433 00:21:53,605 --> 00:21:56,858 and a terrifying theory begins circulating that the killer, 434 00:21:56,983 --> 00:22:01,154 or killers, may be posing as members of law enforcement. 435 00:22:01,237 --> 00:22:11,081 ♪♪ 436 00:22:11,164 --> 00:22:13,541 The next body was found at a freeway off-ramp 437 00:22:13,667 --> 00:22:16,086 that I went on five days a week. 438 00:22:16,169 --> 00:22:19,964 I admit, it was getting a little close to home. 439 00:22:20,048 --> 00:22:21,966 Her body was left face up. 440 00:22:22,050 --> 00:22:24,344 ♪♪ 441 00:22:24,469 --> 00:22:27,555 Jane King was the oldest victim. 442 00:22:27,681 --> 00:22:29,891 She dabbled in Scientology. 443 00:22:30,016 --> 00:22:32,143 She was apparently abducted from a bus stop 444 00:22:32,227 --> 00:22:34,979 outside the Scientology Center. 445 00:22:35,063 --> 00:22:36,523 De Reyes: The murders are mounting, 446 00:22:36,606 --> 00:22:38,358 the public is terrified, 447 00:22:38,483 --> 00:22:42,237 and police are facing tremendous pressure to solve this case. 448 00:22:42,362 --> 00:22:45,365 What was kind of unique about this particular serial killing 449 00:22:45,448 --> 00:22:46,908 versus other serial killings 450 00:22:47,033 --> 00:22:52,831 I've seen is the rapid rate of committing the murders. 451 00:22:52,914 --> 00:22:55,417 It was a tremendous amount. 452 00:22:55,542 --> 00:22:59,254 The LAPD is getting a lot of heat from the public. 453 00:22:59,379 --> 00:23:02,007 Everyone is going crazy, so they formed what was called 454 00:23:02,090 --> 00:23:04,217 the Hillside Strangler Task Force. 455 00:23:04,342 --> 00:23:08,263 That was the LAPD, the Glendale police department, 456 00:23:08,388 --> 00:23:11,057 and the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. 457 00:23:11,182 --> 00:23:14,227 So they could coordinate and look at all clues 458 00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:15,562 from one source. 459 00:23:15,645 --> 00:23:18,606 You got to realize the county of Los Angeles is made up 460 00:23:18,732 --> 00:23:22,819 of 88 separate cities and plus unincorporated areas. 461 00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:24,154 And when these occurred, 462 00:23:24,237 --> 00:23:26,114 you know, the Los Angeles Police Department, 463 00:23:26,239 --> 00:23:27,741 the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, 464 00:23:27,866 --> 00:23:30,076 the Glendale Police Department all became extremely cooperative 465 00:23:30,201 --> 00:23:32,078 and forming this task force to come together. 466 00:23:32,203 --> 00:23:34,164 And all the other agencies in the county would provide 467 00:23:34,247 --> 00:23:38,335 as much information and support as they could to it. 468 00:23:38,418 --> 00:23:42,255 In the big cities, sadly, murders happen all the time. 469 00:23:42,339 --> 00:23:43,423 Often, bodies are found, 470 00:23:43,548 --> 00:23:45,759 and maybe it wasn't the Hillside Strangler. 471 00:23:45,884 --> 00:23:47,427 The police had to be extremely careful, 472 00:23:47,552 --> 00:23:51,222 as did we in the media, to not misidentify it. 473 00:23:51,306 --> 00:23:53,058 Meredith: We had a lot of clues coming in, 474 00:23:53,141 --> 00:23:56,311 a lot of different tips coming in from all kinds of people. 475 00:23:56,436 --> 00:23:58,229 You have to realize, at that time period, 476 00:23:58,313 --> 00:24:01,566 we didn't have computers to do analysis or maintain logs. 477 00:24:01,649 --> 00:24:04,110 Everything had to be hand-written and hand-logged, 478 00:24:04,194 --> 00:24:06,780 every clue, every tip that would come in. 479 00:24:06,905 --> 00:24:08,239 We didn't have access to DNA. 480 00:24:08,323 --> 00:24:09,616 We couldn't just run fingerprints 481 00:24:09,741 --> 00:24:10,950 through an automated system. 482 00:24:11,076 --> 00:24:12,327 Broberg: They were getting so many calls, 483 00:24:12,452 --> 00:24:14,579 they probably could not keep up with them. 484 00:24:14,662 --> 00:24:17,332 Davis: Making it even more difficult were that the victims 485 00:24:17,457 --> 00:24:20,877 were often completely different kinds of people. 486 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,128 One could be a prostitute. 487 00:24:22,212 --> 00:24:23,546 One could be a straight-A student. 488 00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:26,257 They were different races, different ethnic groups, 489 00:24:26,341 --> 00:24:30,136 lived in different areas of town. 490 00:24:30,220 --> 00:24:32,806 The task force couldn't work fast enough. 491 00:24:32,931 --> 00:24:41,064 ♪♪ 492 00:24:41,147 --> 00:24:45,151 Davis: Lauren Wagner was followed by the killers 493 00:24:45,276 --> 00:24:48,822 to in front of her own parents' house. 494 00:24:50,031 --> 00:24:54,369 A neighbor saw her arguing with two men, 495 00:24:54,494 --> 00:24:59,249 and then heard her say, "You won't get away with this." 496 00:24:59,332 --> 00:25:02,043 Unfortunately, the neighbor didn't immediately report that. 497 00:25:02,168 --> 00:25:03,503 De Reyes: Like the other victims, 498 00:25:03,628 --> 00:25:05,463 Lauren Wagner had been tortured 499 00:25:05,547 --> 00:25:08,133 by whoever had abducted her. 500 00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:13,013 Renner: They decide to use a bit of electrical wire, 501 00:25:13,096 --> 00:25:14,556 which leaves marks on her hands. 502 00:25:14,681 --> 00:25:16,766 They'd shock her. 503 00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:19,436 It doesn't kill her, it's just painful. 504 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:20,687 They're sadists. 505 00:25:20,770 --> 00:25:23,356 And that's what they want to do. 506 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,235 And finally, not to put her out of her misery, 507 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,696 they just strangled her to death. 508 00:25:29,821 --> 00:25:40,165 ♪♪ 509 00:25:40,248 --> 00:25:44,294 Kimberly Martin was a lovely, young 17-year-old girl, 510 00:25:44,377 --> 00:25:47,047 pretty, blue-eyed, blonde hair. 511 00:25:47,130 --> 00:25:48,381 Davis: She was a call girl, 512 00:25:48,465 --> 00:25:50,383 and she had taken herself off the street 513 00:25:50,508 --> 00:25:51,926 because the strangler was out there, 514 00:25:52,052 --> 00:25:54,637 so she was using an agency instead. 515 00:25:54,721 --> 00:25:56,848 ♪♪ 516 00:25:56,931 --> 00:25:58,725 It wasn't enough to save her life. 517 00:25:58,850 --> 00:26:01,936 ♪♪ 518 00:26:02,062 --> 00:26:04,064 When the police investigated the murder, 519 00:26:04,147 --> 00:26:05,565 they learned about an altercation 520 00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:09,736 she had at a Hollywood building the night she died. 521 00:26:09,819 --> 00:26:11,905 Davis: They questioned all the neighbors in the building, 522 00:26:12,030 --> 00:26:13,573 that included a guy named Kenneth Bianchi, 523 00:26:13,698 --> 00:26:16,117 who recently moved from Rochester, New York, 524 00:26:16,242 --> 00:26:17,744 to spend time with his cousin. 525 00:26:17,827 --> 00:26:22,248 When the police came to look for the escort that never came home, 526 00:26:22,332 --> 00:26:25,752 Bianchi talks to them, jokes around and so on, 527 00:26:25,835 --> 00:26:28,546 and the police fill out the report, and we're done. 528 00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:30,757 ♪♪ 529 00:26:30,882 --> 00:26:32,300 De Reyes: Bianchi continued to follow 530 00:26:32,425 --> 00:26:35,428 every aspect of the Hillside Strangler case, 531 00:26:35,512 --> 00:26:38,515 including stories about different suspects 532 00:26:38,598 --> 00:26:40,225 questioned by police. 533 00:26:40,308 --> 00:26:44,979 ♪♪ 534 00:26:45,105 --> 00:26:47,023 Reporter: After intensive investigation, 535 00:26:47,107 --> 00:26:48,692 the Los Angeles Police Department 536 00:26:48,775 --> 00:26:52,112 finally has booked a suspect in the Hillside Strangler case. 537 00:26:52,237 --> 00:26:57,367 We have arrested a man by the name of Ned T. York, 538 00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:59,369 male Caucasian. 539 00:26:59,452 --> 00:27:01,830 Chambers: Assistant Chief Daryl Gates met with newsmen 540 00:27:01,955 --> 00:27:04,040 shortly after the suspect was booked today, 541 00:27:04,124 --> 00:27:08,378 and said York had made certain statements implicating himself. 542 00:27:08,461 --> 00:27:11,506 If police had the right guy, the entire city of Los Angeles 543 00:27:11,631 --> 00:27:14,676 could take a collective sigh of relief. 544 00:27:14,801 --> 00:27:18,888 The question is, is Ned York the Hillside Strangler? 545 00:27:18,972 --> 00:27:27,022 ♪♪ 546 00:27:29,816 --> 00:27:32,902 De Reyes: In a story so typical of Hollywood, 547 00:27:32,986 --> 00:27:36,156 a small-time actor named Ned York 548 00:27:36,239 --> 00:27:39,159 said he might be the Hillside Strangler. 549 00:27:39,242 --> 00:27:40,994 And he just comes out of nowhere. 550 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,495 And the task force is hoping 551 00:27:42,579 --> 00:27:45,665 they can finally put people's fears to rest. 552 00:27:45,790 --> 00:27:48,293 But those hopes started to fade pretty quickly. 553 00:27:48,376 --> 00:27:49,961 When they first started questioning him, 554 00:27:50,045 --> 00:27:51,546 he was rambling incoherently. 555 00:27:51,671 --> 00:27:54,174 They weren't sure whether it was drugs or what. 556 00:27:54,257 --> 00:27:57,260 Finally, during the questioning, he fell asleep. 557 00:27:57,344 --> 00:27:59,512 Last we heard, he was still asleep. 558 00:27:59,596 --> 00:28:01,514 ♪♪ 559 00:28:01,639 --> 00:28:04,768 Davis: It turns out Ned York said he was on angel dust 560 00:28:04,851 --> 00:28:06,436 when he approached police. 561 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:10,482 In fact, he had nothing to do with the hillside stranglings. 562 00:28:10,565 --> 00:28:13,943 Police had no choice but to release him from custody. 563 00:28:14,027 --> 00:28:16,404 Sometimes there are false confessors, 564 00:28:16,529 --> 00:28:20,033 that's another feature of crimes like this. 565 00:28:20,116 --> 00:28:21,826 The police in Los Angeles seem to be back 566 00:28:21,910 --> 00:28:25,705 where they started in the Hillside Strangler case. 567 00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:27,957 Sternoff: There are 55 officers that work full time 568 00:28:28,041 --> 00:28:31,294 on the series of murders, and they would welcome a break. 569 00:28:31,378 --> 00:28:33,046 We'll always accept a lucky break 570 00:28:33,129 --> 00:28:34,714 and be very appreciative of it. 571 00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:38,426 A lucky break helps you crack them sooner. 572 00:28:38,551 --> 00:28:41,054 We'll keep at it until it is cracked. 573 00:28:43,223 --> 00:28:45,975 Davis: Suddenly, the killings appeared to stop. 574 00:28:46,059 --> 00:28:50,647 We went through Christmas, Valentine's day. 575 00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:55,068 Those of us in the media thought that maybe two things happened. 576 00:28:55,193 --> 00:28:57,570 Either the monster discovered a conscience 577 00:28:57,696 --> 00:29:00,949 or maybe he met the same fate as his victims. 578 00:29:01,074 --> 00:29:05,078 ♪♪ 579 00:29:05,161 --> 00:29:07,622 Then, right after Valentine's day, 580 00:29:07,747 --> 00:29:10,417 a helicopter spotted an orange Datsun 581 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:13,753 off of Angeles crest highway, north of Los Angeles. 582 00:29:13,878 --> 00:29:16,214 Reporter: The victim was found in the trunk of her new car 583 00:29:16,297 --> 00:29:19,759 50 feet down a steep hillside. 584 00:29:19,884 --> 00:29:21,511 Davis: When they went down to pull it up, 585 00:29:21,594 --> 00:29:25,432 they found the body of Cindy Hudspeth in the trunk. 586 00:29:25,557 --> 00:29:28,685 In Los Angeles, another young women strangled in the hills, 587 00:29:28,768 --> 00:29:32,147 a 20-year-old bank clerk who taught Bible classes 588 00:29:32,272 --> 00:29:35,442 and wanted to be an actress. 589 00:29:35,525 --> 00:29:39,904 Police were particularly curious as to how Cindy's body 590 00:29:39,988 --> 00:29:43,491 ended up in such a remote location. 591 00:29:43,616 --> 00:29:45,702 Meredith: Her car was up on Angeles Crest Highway, 592 00:29:45,785 --> 00:29:48,288 which goes up in the Angeles National Forest, 593 00:29:48,371 --> 00:29:49,581 and to drive a car up there, 594 00:29:49,664 --> 00:29:50,999 you're gonna need a second vehicle 595 00:29:51,124 --> 00:29:52,375 to drive away from there. 596 00:29:52,459 --> 00:29:54,002 So somebody would have to follow you up 597 00:29:54,127 --> 00:29:56,338 and pick you up and take you away. 598 00:29:56,463 --> 00:29:59,883 Davis: Since Hudspeth's car was pushed over a cliff, 599 00:29:59,966 --> 00:30:01,551 it indicated once again 600 00:30:01,634 --> 00:30:04,429 that more than one strangler was involved. 601 00:30:04,512 --> 00:30:07,432 De Reyes: Now investigators were more certain than ever that 602 00:30:07,515 --> 00:30:09,392 they were looking for two killers. 603 00:30:09,476 --> 00:30:11,686 They also noticed a strange connection 604 00:30:11,811 --> 00:30:15,315 between Cindy Hudspeth and another victim. 605 00:30:15,398 --> 00:30:17,609 Wilson: Investigators are greatly interested in the fact 606 00:30:17,692 --> 00:30:19,736 that this victim lived just across the street 607 00:30:19,819 --> 00:30:24,824 from victim number seven, 20-year-old Kristina Weckler. 608 00:30:24,908 --> 00:30:26,993 Meredith: Cindy Hudspeth was actually related 609 00:30:27,077 --> 00:30:28,703 to one of my officers, 610 00:30:28,828 --> 00:30:31,247 and that, you know, also becomes a thing is that. 611 00:30:31,331 --> 00:30:32,499 We've not solved it. 612 00:30:32,624 --> 00:30:34,501 We haven't got closure even for him. 613 00:30:34,584 --> 00:30:36,628 I mean, we went through 10 murders 614 00:30:36,711 --> 00:30:39,422 and had no leads that we could really go back 615 00:30:39,506 --> 00:30:43,510 and say that we got probable cause to arrest somebody. 616 00:30:43,635 --> 00:30:45,303 Reporter: Los Angeles Sheriff's Investigators 617 00:30:45,387 --> 00:30:47,597 have found a witness who saw Cindy Hudspeth 618 00:30:47,681 --> 00:30:49,641 driving north on Glendale Boulevard 619 00:30:49,724 --> 00:30:51,518 in Glendale. 620 00:30:51,601 --> 00:30:53,353 Meredith: Cindy Hudspeth was last seen 621 00:30:53,436 --> 00:30:55,855 on Colorado and Glendale Avenue 622 00:30:55,980 --> 00:30:57,482 at that intersection. 623 00:30:57,565 --> 00:30:59,776 We were handing out flyers to passing motorists, 624 00:30:59,859 --> 00:31:01,986 trying to get clues about the time of night 625 00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:03,196 she went through there, 626 00:31:03,321 --> 00:31:05,740 seeing if anybody recognized anything, 627 00:31:05,865 --> 00:31:07,909 not knowing that a block and a half away 628 00:31:08,034 --> 00:31:09,327 from where we were standing 629 00:31:09,411 --> 00:31:11,705 was where all these murders were occurring. 630 00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:13,957 It became like, what are we looking for? 631 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,542 We really don't know. 632 00:31:15,625 --> 00:31:17,419 You and your team, follow up on this clue 633 00:31:17,544 --> 00:31:19,796 or follow up on that clue, most of which were just tips 634 00:31:19,879 --> 00:31:23,675 that would amount to nothing in the end. 635 00:31:23,758 --> 00:31:30,557 ♪♪ 636 00:31:30,682 --> 00:31:32,851 I had the only video camera in the department, 637 00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:37,147 so they would say, "Hey go out and video this crime scene." 638 00:31:37,230 --> 00:31:38,815 Probably the one that was the premiere one 639 00:31:38,898 --> 00:31:40,316 was Richard Reynolds. 640 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,778 Richard Reynolds was known to the Glendale Police Department, 641 00:31:44,612 --> 00:31:46,448 the Los Angeles Police Department, 642 00:31:46,573 --> 00:31:48,408 and the L.A. County Sheriff's Department 643 00:31:48,533 --> 00:31:50,493 as a registered sex offender. 644 00:31:50,577 --> 00:31:52,829 Reporter: Baker said that Reynolds was in a nearby bar 645 00:31:52,912 --> 00:31:56,541 just 20 minutes before he and 29-year-old Roxanne Barnwell 646 00:31:56,624 --> 00:31:58,543 were found shot to death in her car 647 00:31:58,626 --> 00:32:01,546 behind Glendale Community Hospital. 648 00:32:01,629 --> 00:32:02,797 Baker says there's evidence 649 00:32:02,922 --> 00:32:05,425 that Reynolds was waiting for his victim 650 00:32:05,550 --> 00:32:07,969 and forced his way into her car, 651 00:32:08,094 --> 00:32:11,222 attacker and victim then shooting each other to death. 652 00:32:11,306 --> 00:32:14,601 Geographically, the location of this very unusual incident 653 00:32:14,726 --> 00:32:16,561 raised a lot of suspicions. 654 00:32:16,644 --> 00:32:19,147 Reporter: The Hillside Strangler Task Force was called in 655 00:32:19,272 --> 00:32:21,941 after Glendale Police found a pattern. 656 00:32:22,067 --> 00:32:23,860 Reynolds and the Barnwell woman were killed 657 00:32:23,943 --> 00:32:26,279 just a block and a half from where two victims 658 00:32:26,404 --> 00:32:28,365 of the Hillside Strangler had lived. 659 00:32:28,448 --> 00:32:30,450 Kristina Weckler and Cindy Lee Hudspeth 660 00:32:30,575 --> 00:32:32,952 lived across Garfield Avenue from one another, 661 00:32:33,078 --> 00:32:35,789 and Barnwell lived a block away from them. 662 00:32:35,914 --> 00:32:38,667 Then police noted that Reynolds' home in La Crescenta 663 00:32:38,792 --> 00:32:40,251 is just two blocks away from the spot 664 00:32:40,335 --> 00:32:44,631 where Judith Ann Miller's body was found October 31st. 665 00:32:44,714 --> 00:32:47,634 That made police particularly suspicious. 666 00:32:47,717 --> 00:32:49,344 We thought this must be the Hillside Strangler. 667 00:32:49,469 --> 00:32:50,762 Why else would a man shoot a woman 668 00:32:50,845 --> 00:32:53,932 and a woman shoot a man in that particular area? 669 00:32:54,015 --> 00:32:55,475 Man: The house is being checked. 670 00:32:55,558 --> 00:32:56,976 This is part of a routine investigation 671 00:32:57,102 --> 00:33:00,730 to determine whether he is or is not he is a suspect. 672 00:33:00,814 --> 00:33:05,318 At the conclusion of what I can call a very thorough search 673 00:33:05,443 --> 00:33:08,321 of the residence, officers were unable, 674 00:33:08,405 --> 00:33:12,659 and I emphasize, unable to readily identify 675 00:33:12,784 --> 00:33:14,869 anything to connect Mr. Reynolds 676 00:33:14,994 --> 00:33:16,788 to the hillside strangler murders. 677 00:33:16,871 --> 00:33:19,874 Turned out he was not related to the case at all. 678 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,836 Burkhalter: How long does a case like this remain open? 679 00:33:22,919 --> 00:33:24,087 Ed Henderson says... 680 00:33:24,170 --> 00:33:25,797 Forever. 681 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,799 How about yourself? How long will you be on it? 682 00:33:27,882 --> 00:33:29,676 Well, I won't be here forever, I know that. 683 00:33:29,801 --> 00:33:34,848 But I'll be on the case until it's solved or I retire. 684 00:33:34,973 --> 00:33:42,897 ♪♪ 685 00:33:45,108 --> 00:33:47,027 ♪♪ 686 00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:48,695 Meredith: One of the interesting things that occurred 687 00:33:48,820 --> 00:33:51,740 after Cindy Hudspeth was found was, 688 00:33:51,865 --> 00:33:55,535 the murders stopped, they completely stopped. 689 00:33:55,618 --> 00:33:57,037 Renner: People don't know whether to breathe 690 00:33:57,162 --> 00:33:58,455 a sigh of relief 691 00:33:58,538 --> 00:34:01,541 or be even more wary. 692 00:34:01,624 --> 00:34:03,043 Is the killer taking a break? 693 00:34:03,126 --> 00:34:04,711 What is going on? 694 00:34:04,794 --> 00:34:06,796 That makes everybody uneasy. 695 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,298 From a law enforcement standpoint, 696 00:34:08,381 --> 00:34:09,883 we look at why did they stop? 697 00:34:10,008 --> 00:34:12,927 Is a person in custody and we're not aware of it? 698 00:34:13,053 --> 00:34:14,512 Did they die? 699 00:34:14,596 --> 00:34:16,181 We don't have closure. 700 00:34:16,264 --> 00:34:26,775 ♪♪ 701 00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:31,029 Bellingham's a beautiful spot, right on Puget Sound, 702 00:34:31,112 --> 00:34:33,114 very nice community. 703 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,075 Definitely a safe place to live. 704 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,953 But in January 1979, that would all change. 705 00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:40,580 McEachran: Bellingham was very concerned 706 00:34:40,705 --> 00:34:42,832 about these two young women -- 707 00:34:42,916 --> 00:34:44,459 Karen Mandic, Diane Wilder -- 708 00:34:44,584 --> 00:34:45,752 who were missing. 709 00:34:45,835 --> 00:34:47,420 Reporter: The two women were roommates. 710 00:34:47,545 --> 00:34:49,756 Both attended Western Washington University. 711 00:34:49,881 --> 00:34:51,299 The first hint of their disappearance 712 00:34:51,424 --> 00:34:52,926 came late Thursday, 713 00:34:53,051 --> 00:34:55,303 when Karen Mandic failed to return to the local Fred Meyer 714 00:34:55,428 --> 00:34:57,639 from her dinner break. 715 00:34:57,764 --> 00:34:58,932 McEachran: The one girl, Karen Mandic, 716 00:34:59,015 --> 00:35:00,975 was working at Fred Meyer's store, 717 00:35:01,101 --> 00:35:05,522 which is a large department food store in Bellingham. 718 00:35:05,605 --> 00:35:08,274 Karen asked her manager if she could take a long dinner break, 719 00:35:08,358 --> 00:35:11,736 because she had a job opportunity that came up. 720 00:35:11,820 --> 00:35:14,614 She told her manager she was going to take 721 00:35:14,698 --> 00:35:19,285 from 7:00 to 9:00, that she had a security job 722 00:35:19,369 --> 00:35:22,622 and was going to be making quite a bit of money. 723 00:35:22,706 --> 00:35:25,709 And she was gonna come back in two hours. 724 00:35:25,792 --> 00:35:28,003 De Reyes: Karen found out about the security job 725 00:35:28,128 --> 00:35:30,547 from a former Fred Meyer's employee. 726 00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:31,881 He said, "Hey, you know, 727 00:35:31,965 --> 00:35:33,967 I'm in the private security business now, 728 00:35:34,092 --> 00:35:36,302 and I've got this great gig for you." 729 00:35:36,386 --> 00:35:38,471 McEachran: He indicated they were putting a security alarm 730 00:35:38,596 --> 00:35:39,889 in this house. 731 00:35:39,973 --> 00:35:42,308 And the house had some very valuable things, 732 00:35:42,434 --> 00:35:44,936 and they needed to have security for two hours. 733 00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:47,230 If you want to just house-sit for a little bit, 734 00:35:47,313 --> 00:35:49,107 you can make 100 bucks. 735 00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:52,110 McEachran: And she asked if her roommate could be involved, 736 00:35:52,193 --> 00:35:54,487 Diane Wilder. 737 00:35:54,571 --> 00:35:57,699 Renner: It's nine o'clock, Karen doesn't come back to the store 738 00:35:57,824 --> 00:35:59,617 from her dinner break. 739 00:35:59,701 --> 00:36:02,495 This is not like her at all. 740 00:36:02,620 --> 00:36:05,832 She is very, very responsible. 741 00:36:05,957 --> 00:36:09,502 So the police get called when she doesn't turn up. 742 00:36:09,586 --> 00:36:11,338 What the hell happened to her? 743 00:36:11,421 --> 00:36:13,673 McEachran: The police put out the vehicle description, 744 00:36:13,798 --> 00:36:15,717 which was a Mercury Bobcat, 745 00:36:15,842 --> 00:36:17,302 and asked people in the community 746 00:36:17,385 --> 00:36:20,013 to be aware of this vehicle, and if they saw it to call 747 00:36:20,096 --> 00:36:22,015 the Bellingham Police immediately. 748 00:36:22,098 --> 00:36:23,850 Renner: They really, at this point, need to get over 749 00:36:23,975 --> 00:36:26,561 to her apartment, check it out, see if there's anything going on 750 00:36:26,686 --> 00:36:29,481 that explains why she didn't go back to work. 751 00:36:29,564 --> 00:36:34,819 McEachran: There was a note there that indicated "Ken B. 752 00:36:34,903 --> 00:36:37,989 called, wants a call back," and there was a phone number. 753 00:36:38,073 --> 00:36:40,158 Renner: It's in Diane's handwriting. 754 00:36:40,241 --> 00:36:42,452 De Reyes: Investigators had called the security company 755 00:36:42,535 --> 00:36:46,706 and found out a man by the name of Kenneth Bianchi worked there. 756 00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:49,876 He had also previously worked at Fred Meyer. 757 00:36:49,959 --> 00:36:53,380 Renner: "Did he, by any chance, have a job tonight?" 758 00:36:53,505 --> 00:36:57,384 "No. No, he wasn't supposed to be working at all." 759 00:36:57,509 --> 00:36:59,010 So that's when they decide, uh-oh, 760 00:36:59,094 --> 00:37:04,557 and that's when they start looking into Ken Bianchi. 761 00:37:04,683 --> 00:37:06,142 Davis: Ken had recently moved to the area 762 00:37:06,226 --> 00:37:08,436 and was living with his girlfriend, Kelli Boyd, 763 00:37:08,561 --> 00:37:10,021 and their infant son. 764 00:37:10,105 --> 00:37:12,524 McEachran: So they met him at about 2:30 that morning. 765 00:37:12,607 --> 00:37:16,820 He tried to present himself as a very likable, affable person. 766 00:37:16,903 --> 00:37:19,030 He at first denied knowing Karen Mandic. 767 00:37:19,114 --> 00:37:21,116 And then he said, well, he did remember meeting her 768 00:37:21,241 --> 00:37:24,744 at one point, so they were concerned about him 769 00:37:24,869 --> 00:37:29,457 and whether he was being honest to them. 770 00:37:29,582 --> 00:37:32,252 Then at about 4:30 that afternoon, 771 00:37:32,335 --> 00:37:34,421 a car had been sighted. 772 00:37:34,546 --> 00:37:35,922 Police responded, 773 00:37:36,006 --> 00:37:38,758 and the officer could look into the vehicle 774 00:37:38,842 --> 00:37:40,385 and could see that there were two bodies, 775 00:37:40,468 --> 00:37:43,930 and he could tell that both of the young women looked deceased. 776 00:37:44,014 --> 00:37:46,224 ♪♪ 777 00:37:46,307 --> 00:37:48,309 Reporter: The bodies of Karen Mandic and Diane Wilder 778 00:37:48,435 --> 00:37:52,105 were found stuffed in the back seat of Ms. Mandic's car. 779 00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:54,649 McEachran: The bodies were very carefully removed, 780 00:37:54,774 --> 00:37:56,901 and the evidence was preserved, 781 00:37:56,985 --> 00:38:00,405 and the bodies were then taken to a funeral home 782 00:38:00,488 --> 00:38:04,909 where autopsies were conducted that morning. 783 00:38:04,993 --> 00:38:06,911 There were large ligature marks 784 00:38:06,995 --> 00:38:10,206 on the necks of both of the girls, 785 00:38:10,290 --> 00:38:11,958 and this looked like it was a rope. 786 00:38:12,083 --> 00:38:14,044 It wasn't a wire, it was something wider, 787 00:38:14,127 --> 00:38:15,920 which would indicate they were strangled. 788 00:38:16,004 --> 00:38:17,547 Reporter: The women were killed only hours 789 00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:18,965 after the disappearance. 790 00:38:19,049 --> 00:38:21,593 McEachran: This just was a very alarming case, 791 00:38:21,676 --> 00:38:23,803 because Bellingham's a very safe place. 792 00:38:23,887 --> 00:38:26,765 These were two young college girls. 793 00:38:26,848 --> 00:38:30,685 And it really concerned everyone in the community. 794 00:38:30,810 --> 00:38:32,687 It is something that we just did not 795 00:38:32,812 --> 00:38:35,523 have a great deal of background with. 796 00:38:35,648 --> 00:38:38,026 ♪♪ 797 00:38:38,151 --> 00:38:40,278 I started getting search warrants. 798 00:38:40,362 --> 00:38:43,823 And in Bianchi's apartment we found a piece of paper 799 00:38:43,907 --> 00:38:46,326 with Karen Mandic's name on it, 800 00:38:46,409 --> 00:38:48,203 which really contradicted what he said, 801 00:38:48,328 --> 00:38:49,829 that he just knew her in passing. 802 00:38:49,954 --> 00:38:51,498 That just wasn't the case. 803 00:38:51,623 --> 00:38:53,083 We also found a number of items 804 00:38:53,166 --> 00:38:55,669 that had been stolen from Fred Meyer's. 805 00:38:55,794 --> 00:38:58,588 And so I have only 72 hours to charge someone 806 00:38:58,672 --> 00:39:00,840 with a crime when we're holding them, 807 00:39:00,924 --> 00:39:03,843 so I charge him with possession of stolen property. 808 00:39:03,968 --> 00:39:05,095 Reporter: Charging the suspect 809 00:39:05,178 --> 00:39:06,596 with possession of stolen property 810 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,265 this afternoon buys authorities some time 811 00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:11,851 to complete their investigation. 812 00:39:11,976 --> 00:39:14,562 Wilson: Police have not charged Bianchi with the murders, 813 00:39:14,688 --> 00:39:16,022 but they say they believe 814 00:39:16,106 --> 00:39:19,317 they have evidence linking him to the killings. 815 00:39:19,401 --> 00:39:22,529 At the crime scene, it looked like the entire home 816 00:39:22,654 --> 00:39:24,239 had been wiped down. 817 00:39:24,364 --> 00:39:26,032 McEachran: There were not fingerprints on areas 818 00:39:26,116 --> 00:39:27,951 that you would expect to find fingerprints 819 00:39:28,034 --> 00:39:30,578 from people living in a home. 820 00:39:30,704 --> 00:39:32,455 They also found a pubic hair, 821 00:39:32,539 --> 00:39:35,959 when they lifted Diane Wilder's body out of the car, 822 00:39:36,042 --> 00:39:40,046 that was on her clothing that matched, microscopically, 823 00:39:40,171 --> 00:39:43,216 the characteristics of pubic hair for Mr. Bianchi. 824 00:39:43,341 --> 00:39:45,635 Hair isn't a positive identification. 825 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:46,886 It's not like fingerprints. 826 00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:48,972 We didn't have DNA in those days. 827 00:39:49,055 --> 00:39:52,892 But it certainly is enough to get you closer and closer. 828 00:39:52,976 --> 00:39:54,936 The evidence was sent to the FBI Laboratory 829 00:39:55,061 --> 00:39:56,896 in Washington, D.C.. 830 00:39:57,022 --> 00:39:58,523 The investigation is proceeding rapidly. 831 00:39:58,606 --> 00:40:02,694 The FBI is proceeding very rapidly with our examination. 832 00:40:02,777 --> 00:40:06,072 Once the FBI gave us the further facts, 833 00:40:06,197 --> 00:40:08,283 tying Bianchi with the girls, 834 00:40:08,408 --> 00:40:11,036 we were starting to really get the full picture 835 00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:13,747 of exactly what was going on here. 836 00:40:13,872 --> 00:40:15,915 And I subsequently amended the information 837 00:40:15,999 --> 00:40:18,752 that I charged him with, possession of stolen property, 838 00:40:18,877 --> 00:40:21,212 to two counts of first degree murder. 839 00:40:21,296 --> 00:40:26,801 ♪♪ 840 00:40:26,926 --> 00:40:28,261 Davis: To say that Kenneth Bianchi 841 00:40:28,345 --> 00:40:31,097 had a troubled childhood is putting it mildly. 842 00:40:31,222 --> 00:40:35,393 He is an individual who wants to be dominant and in control, 843 00:40:35,477 --> 00:40:38,938 and he wants to see other people as submissive, 844 00:40:39,022 --> 00:40:41,066 submissive to him. 845 00:40:41,149 --> 00:40:44,819 On the surface, though, Bianchi could appear normal. 846 00:40:44,944 --> 00:40:47,113 You keep saying I killed those girls. 847 00:40:47,197 --> 00:40:48,448 I didn't. 848 00:40:48,531 --> 00:40:49,949 He had said a number of times 849 00:40:50,033 --> 00:40:52,369 that the real killer is still there. 850 00:40:52,452 --> 00:40:55,038 I'm the one who's getting the blame. 851 00:40:55,121 --> 00:40:58,458 The defense attorney claimed that Mr. Bianchi 852 00:40:58,583 --> 00:41:00,502 was a multiple personality. 853 00:41:00,627 --> 00:41:02,462 Man: What's your name? 854 00:41:02,587 --> 00:41:05,006 Steve. 855 00:41:05,131 --> 00:41:08,802 The name, Stephen Walker, was a name that interested us. 856 00:41:08,927 --> 00:41:12,472 Up here in Bellingham, what did Steve do up here? 857 00:41:12,597 --> 00:41:16,476 Right from the jump, it was a bad performance. 858 00:41:16,601 --> 00:41:19,145 While he was supposedly under hypnosis, 859 00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:22,857 "Steve" mentioned his cousin. 860 00:41:22,982 --> 00:41:25,360 Has he killed anybody? 861 00:41:25,485 --> 00:41:26,569 Yeah. 862 00:41:26,653 --> 00:41:29,322 How many? He has. 863 00:41:29,447 --> 00:41:30,782 Five girls. 864 00:41:30,865 --> 00:41:34,536 And we all are thinking, this is probably the second strangler. 865 00:41:34,661 --> 00:41:40,667 ♪♪ 866 00:41:40,750 --> 00:41:42,002 The arrest of Kenneth Bianchi 867 00:41:42,127 --> 00:41:43,837 for the murders of two young women 868 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,006 in Bellingham, Washington, at first, 869 00:41:46,089 --> 00:41:48,133 appears to be an isolated incident. 870 00:41:48,216 --> 00:41:50,802 But very quickly, detectives realize the case 871 00:41:50,885 --> 00:41:52,846 is much bigger than it seems. 872 00:41:52,929 --> 00:41:55,098 Could Bianchi and the Washington killings 873 00:41:55,181 --> 00:41:57,350 be tied to something more sinister? 874 00:41:57,475 --> 00:42:00,145 A shocking confession in part two of 875 00:42:00,228 --> 00:42:02,022 "The Hillside Stranglers." 876 00:42:02,105 --> 00:42:03,523 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 877 00:42:03,606 --> 00:42:04,858 Thanks for watching. 878 00:42:04,941 --> 00:42:07,235 Goodnight. 69214

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