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♪♪
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Gravano:
My name is Salvatore Gravano.
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Early in my life, I was given
the nickname "Sammy the Bull."
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I have been involved
with organized crime since 1968,
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when I became
associated with a guy
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named "Shorty" Spero
of the Colombo family.
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I committed many types of crimes
when I was with Shorty,
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including my first murder.
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In December of 1985, John Gotti,
I, along with some others,
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murdered Paul Castellano.
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We took over the family.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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Welcome to "Very Scary People."
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I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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In 1985,
Sammy "The Bull" Gravano
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helped plan and carry out
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one of the most stunning
Mafia murders in history,
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the slaying of Gambino
crime boss Paul Castellano.
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The brazen attack took place
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outside a steakhouse
in Midtown Manhattan,
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while Gravano and his
co-conspirator, John Gotti,
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watched from
across the street.
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Gravano had broken
one of the most sacred rules
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of Cosa Nostra,
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and he wasn't finished yet.
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For years, he remained
on the periphery,
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but in time,
he would take center stage
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and become the most
important insider
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to ever testify about mob life.
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Here's part two of
"Sammy the Bull."
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♪♪
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McShane: Sammy, the guy
is known for two things --
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he makes money,
and he murders people,
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and he's very good at both.
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[ Doorbell rings ]
Colucci: Detectives came
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and told me that they found
my brother's body.
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It was devastating.
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McShane: Sammy said afterward,
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"The easiest thing was
pulling the trigger."
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Gabriel:
He started understanding
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this was something
he could do
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and wouldn't
be afraid or hesitate
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to ever do it again.
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He was obviously
a cold, homicidal killer.
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Cosa Nostra is the American
version of the Mafia.
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To be invited to be a member
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was really the pinnacle
of achievement.
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It's what these guys dream of.
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McShane: Castellano told him,
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"There is no God anymore
for you.
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We are your God."
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If you break the oath
of omertà, silence,
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your soul should burn in Hell.
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Hunter:
He believed it 1,000%.
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Gabriel: From the day
Paul Castellano
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was given the position of boss,
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there were a lot
of disgruntled people.
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John Gotti had his reasons
for wanting Paul dead,
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but he started learning
that there were other guys,
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like Frankie DeCicco
and Sammy Gravano,
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who, likewise, were
very dissatisfied with Paul.
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The feeling from
Gravano and DeCicco
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was that Gotti was the lesser
of all the evils that they had.
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So they decide that
they're going to take out
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Paul Castellano.
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Gabriel: This was a big deal
they were doing.
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Gravano:
We implemented the plan.
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We took 11 people on the hit.
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Hunter: The guys came up
wearing the Russian fur hats
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and their white trench coats
and bang, bang, bang.
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Schuch: Mafia kingpin
"Big Paul" Castellano
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was gunned down, gangland style,
in Midtown Manhattan.
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You're now thinking,
"This is war."
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There will be
other prices to pay.
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♪♪
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There is a dragnet out
for the hitman who executed
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Mafia godfather
Paul Castellano.
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Look at this man's face.
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He may already be
the new godfather.
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Lawmen believe he may
have also been behind this.
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His name is John Gotti.
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What happened kind of
brings you back to reality
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to what they're really,
at the core, all about,
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essentially,
barbarians and murderers.
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Raab: Before
the Castellano murder,
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Gotti was not a well-known
figure in organized crime,
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practically unknown.
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By knocking off Castellano,
Gotti, overnight,
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became the top person
in the Gambino family.
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McShane: Well, there's a meeting
at the Ravenite Social Club,
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which is in Little Italy,
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and there was just
a steady parade
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of Gambino family members
coming in to greet the new boss.
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Gotti automatically
promoted Gravano to capo,
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and Frank DeCicco
became the underboss.
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Gabriel: We were fortunate
that we had
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some very well-placed sources
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to let us know,
within days to a week,
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almost all of the 11
participants in the hit.
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There was no doubt
this was a John Gotti-led hit.
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We were surprised to learn
when we started hearing
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the names Frank DeCicco
and Sammy Gravano.
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We thought Sammy Gravano and
Frankie were Castellano's guys.
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We realized there was a lot
more happening underneath
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than we understood
at the time.
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Papa: John Gotti was sort of
this emerging character.
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He was a rising star.
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Gravano, while powerful,
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financially strong
in the family,
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I don't think he was that much
on the radar, as of yet,
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probably because
he didn't want to be.
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Hunter: Sammy was perfectly fine
living in the shadows.
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He cared very greatly
that nobody knew who he was.
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Gabriel: Sammy's in
the administration now.
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He's very loyal.
It's business.
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He's going to be loyal
to his boss.
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He's going to do
whatever his boss wants.
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Gravano was a guy who brought
a lot of money into the family.
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Gabriel: Sammy was
the construction guy.
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He was bringing huge envelopes
every month to John Gotti.
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About a million dollars
per year.
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One of the problems
with knocking off Castellano
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was that it really antagonized
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one of the most important
mobster leaders in the country,
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Vincent "Chin" Gigante, who was
the head of the Genovese family.
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Gabriel: After they kill Paul
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and they meet with
"Chin" Gigante,
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who's the head
of the commission,
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John goes there
with the story,
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"We don't know
what really happened to Paul.
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The captains voted me in
as the boss."
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So Chin said, "All right.
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We understand, but somebody's
gonna have to pay
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for that little thing
that happened there."
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About four months later,
Frankie DeCicco,
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he's at his Brooklyn club.
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DeStefano: And Frank DeCicco
and another guy
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went over to a vehicle
outside the club, got in,
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and just
as they opened the door,
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and just ready to sit down,
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a bomb goes off.
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The car was blown
to smithereens.
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Feldman: The explosion was heard
for nearly half a mile,
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a sharp punctuation to an
otherwise quiet Brooklyn Sunday.
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DeStefano: Sammy Gravano was in
the club when the bomb went off,
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rushed out,
saw Frankie DeCicco.
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Man: All of a sudden,
boom, just like that.
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Couple of people trying to take
the people inside out.
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They were trying to get them
out of the car.
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Gabriel: Sammy runs over,
and he's holding Frankie.
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This was his guy.
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Gravano: Picking him up,
a lifelong friend of mine,
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was sickening how
I saw him -- dead.
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DeStefano: DeCicco was,
more or less, killed instantly.
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They thought they were
going to blow up Gotti,
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but the day of the incident,
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Gotti didn't show up at the club
the way he was expected to.
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Feldman:
Organized crime experts say that
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Gotti himself may now be
on someone's hit list
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and that the DeCicco hit
may have been just the start.
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As for this latest mob hit,
they say they have no suspects.
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Gabriel:
After Frankie gets blown up,
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then that's when I would say
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Sammy's prominence
even gets a little bit higher.
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Sammy was almost gonna
now fill that Frankie void.
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Papa: He moved up the ranks.
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He became a consigliere,
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he became an underboss,
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then he was really a member of
the inner sanctum of the family.
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More responsibility, more money.
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John clearly relied on Sammy.
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McShane: The public persona
of Gotti and Gravano
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was that they were like
best friends, kind of
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1 in 1A atop the world
of organized crime.
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And, as we know now,
that started fracturing.
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Raab: Gotti misjudged
a lot of people,
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and the most important person
he had misjudged
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was Sammy Gravano.
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Man: Morning, John.
Good morning.
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John Gotti didn't become so much
the head of the Gambinos
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as he became
the star of his own show.
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Tell me about it.
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Hunter: Immediately,
John Gotti starts wearing
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extraordinarily
expensive suits.
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He's getting photographed.
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He's spending a lot of money
on his haircuts, on manicures,
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on things that aren't really
the normal purview
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of an underworld boss.
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He was a mob star.
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It's almost like a guy
from a movie come to life.
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It was The Post,
my former employer,
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that labeled him
"The Dapper Don."
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Reporter: How you feel,
Mr. Gotti?
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Gotti: Pretty good.
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Papa: Sammy Gravano
was not thrilled
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that John Gotti
likes to be in the papers,
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that he had fans,
people that idolized him,
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people that came up to him.
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Gravano thought Gotti, you know,
was such an egomaniac.
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He was attracting
so much attention.
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Gabriel: The guy was
out every night,
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seemingly, could care less
about his family back in Queens.
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Sammy, in contrast,
did his mob business by day,
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but then, when evening came,
he'd be home with the family.
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Sammy Gravano wanted
to keep the low profile,
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wanted to just go
do his business.
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I think, down deep,
Gravano still believed
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John didn't deserve
to be the boss.
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The spotlight is getting
brighter and brighter
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and brighter on John Gotti.
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I think Gotti, somehow,
thought he would get away
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with whatever he wanted to do.
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He's waving red flags,
screaming, "Catch me, catch me."
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And Gravano knew
if Gotti was in trouble,
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he'd be in trouble.
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No worries.
What's the difference?
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DeStefano: As he progressed
in the crime family,
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Gotti became more vulnerable
to prosecution.
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Reporter: John Gotti
is the claimed head
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of the most powerful
Mafia crime family
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and ran, they insisted,
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numerous gambling
and loan-sharking operations.
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There's a US attorney
in Brooklyn
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who brings an indictment
against John Gotti.
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Reporter:
Gotti and six codefendants
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were charged under
the RICO Act, which stands for
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Racketeer Influenced
Corrupt Organization.
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DeStefano: In the racketeering
case in Brooklyn,
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his underlings learned about
the identity of a juror.
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Sammy went to John and said
he could get to the guy.
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And so it was agreed that
Sammy would deliver $60,000,
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and, at the very least,
he would get a hung jury.
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Gravano: I sent word to John.
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On one piece of paper,
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there's a stick man
hanging from a noose.
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He knew -- hung.
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It's a hung jury.
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It ultimately got to
the point where
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he convinced all the other
jurors that the case was thin,
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and they got to an acquittal.
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Reporter: It was
a happy John Gotti
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who ran out of
US District Court in Brooklyn,
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because he had escaped
a possible 40-year prison term.
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He knew he wasn't going
to get found guilty.
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I got somebody.
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End of story --
he beats the case.
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Which became, of course,
part of the legend, right?
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"The Teflon Don."
Nothing sticks.
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Feldman: Over an almost
four-year period
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beginning in 1986,
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he managed to beat
not one, not two,
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but three
criminal cases against him
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on charges ranging from
assault to racketeering.
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Man:
We find him not guilty.
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Papa: This was extremely
frustrating for law enforcement
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because John Gotti walks away
in a state case.
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John Gotti walks away
in a federal case.
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Law enforcement
had egg on their face.
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[ Indistinct crowd chatter ]
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Gabriel: Robert DiBernardo
was another Gambino captain.
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He was a big earner,
big pornography guy,
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got a lot of his money
from there.
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Not particularly a tough guy,
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but he was well respected
in the family.
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McShane:
Gotti becomes convinced
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that DiB is somehow
speaking behind his back,
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so he just sends word
that DiBernardo has to go.
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DeStefano: Gravano said he
tried to talk him out of it.
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There's no real reason
to kill him, for insults?
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What is this?
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He couldn't be
talked out of that.
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So, they had DiBernardo
come to a meeting
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in Sammy's office.
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Gravano:
DiB comes a little early.
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He sits at a table
directly across from me.
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We shake hands.
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I say,
"You want a cup of coffee?"
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"Yeah."
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"Hey, Joe..." --
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the "Old Man" Joe Paruta --
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"...get DiB a cup of coffee."
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DeStefano: And while
DiBernardo was distracted
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by talking to Gravano,
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"Old Man" Paruta
came up behind DiBernardo
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and shot him in the head.
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They never found the body.
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Now, after Gotti was acquitted
in those trials,
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the FBI made him
a national priority.
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Papa: They were determined
to figure out a way
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to bug whatever
they had to bug,
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surveil however
they had to surveil,
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and they were going to
gather evidence to put him away.
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DeStefano: Gotti would use
Ravenite Social Club as a base
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after Castellano was killed.
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McShane: Gotti was in the
Ravenite down in Little Italy
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most every day, and so,
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if you're in the family
and you wanted to see him,
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that's where you came
to see him.
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Gabriel:
Sammy came probably
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three to four nights
out of the week.
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McShane: The club was under
constant surveillance,
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pretty much, by the FBI.
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Papa: Not only
was the Ravenite bugged,
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the hallway was bugged.
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The curb in front
of the Ravenite was bugged.
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Gabriel: Sammy and John
would come out,
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they would do these walk talks
that were very frustrating
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to the microphones,
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but he probably had
more walk talks with Sammy
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than anybody else.
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DeStefano: At some point,
the FBI learned that Gotti
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was going upstairs
to an apartment
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rented by the widow
of an old Gambino soldier.
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And they would use
that apartment
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to conduct their business.
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And the FBI were able to figure
out that this was where
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all these conversations
were happening.
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And they were right, you know?
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They bugged it,
and Gotti spoke freely
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about almost everything.
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And they thought they were safe
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because they thought nobody
was going to go there.
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Farinella: If Gotti would have
just kept it close to the vest,
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things would be
totally different,
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but he just couldn't
keep it inside.
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He had no self-control.
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Raab: They got numerous tapes.
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This was what the FBI had been
looking for for five years,
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and now they had him
dead to rights.
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♪♪
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Me and Louie were like "this"
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for a very, very long time.
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McShane: Louie Milito was from
the neighborhood in Bensonhurst,
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and he and Gravano
became best friends
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and eventually
business partners.
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Gabriel: Louie becomes
part of Sammy's crew,
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very trusted ally,
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did hits for Sammy,
was on hits with Sammy.
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The kids, the wives
knew each other well.
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They called Sammy
"Uncle Sammy."
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At some point, the relationship
starts declining a little bit.
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Louie Milito starts
having some problems,
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some of it is jealousy
'cause Sammy's
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rising in the ranks
in the family.
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He's making a lot more money.
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McShane: Years later, in 1988,
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Milito was upset because he had
been passed over for a promotion
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within the Gambino family.
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DeStefano: And Milito
was bad-mouthing people
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who John had elevated
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to the role of
significant captains.
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And you badmouth people
who Gotti likes,
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it's not going to
sit very well.
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Sammy had asked Gotti
for permission to kill him.
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Milito's fate was sealed
at that point.
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According to Sammy,
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there was a meeting
of Louis Milito and others
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in a social club.
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Raab: Milito shows up
unarmed and unconcerned,
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thinks he's in safe territory,
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and he gets a cup of coffee,
orders a cup of coffee.
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Gabriel: Louie Milito went
by way of a lot of people
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that were killed around
Sammy Gravano.
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You're at a bar,
somebody serving you coffee,
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you're nice and relaxed,
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and as some of that's
happening,
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guy comes behind and boom,
you're shot in the head.
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[ Silenced gunshot ]
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Gravano:
I was there for a reason.
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I wanted him to die like a man.
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DeStefano:
Milito was never seen again.
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Body was never found.
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♪♪
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Feldman: For months,
prosecutors have strongly hinted
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that they hope to indict
John Gotti on new charges.
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By 1990, press reports
were coming out
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that Gotti was going
to be indicted.
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It was the Castellano murders,
labor racketeering.
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And the plan was for Sammy
to go on the lam so that,
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if Gotti were arrested,
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Sammy would be able to
control the crime family
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from a secret location.
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00:18:34,197 --> 00:18:35,573
Gabriel: It's John's idea
to send him.
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We're not sure how long
it's going to last,
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but, again, knowing the fabric
of the man, he's a family guy.
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00:18:41,496 --> 00:18:43,206
It's one thing to be away
from the mob,
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but he's going to be away
from his wife and kids,
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and that wasn't
a comfort zone for him.
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So, Sammy just
came back into town.
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That's what we were waiting for.
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We wanted to get them
all together.
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00:18:54,342 --> 00:18:57,303
McShane: Gotti summons him
to the Ravenite.
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Sammy thinks, "Why are you
meeting at the Ravenite,
401
00:18:59,723 --> 00:19:02,225
which has been under
FBI surveillance
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00:19:02,308 --> 00:19:04,561
since a week
after the Castellano hit?"
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00:19:04,644 --> 00:19:07,230
It seemed like a bad idea
to Sammy,
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00:19:07,313 --> 00:19:08,690
who turned out to be right.
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00:19:08,815 --> 00:19:11,234
He was picked up as soon
as he walked in the door.
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00:19:11,317 --> 00:19:14,362
Federal FBI agents
and New York Police detectives
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00:19:14,487 --> 00:19:18,783
arrested the leadership
of the Gambino crime family.
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00:19:18,867 --> 00:19:21,411
The man believed to be
the godfather of godfathers
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00:19:21,494 --> 00:19:24,456
is waking up this morning
in a New York City jail.
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00:19:24,539 --> 00:19:27,334
Polk: Also charged with Gotti,
his mob underboss,
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his consigliere,
and this mob capo.
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Raab: After the arrests,
they were indicted,
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and they all wound up in the
Metropolitan Correction Center.
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Gabriel: Sammy faced
very similar charges to John.
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It was multiple murders
and labor racketeering,
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00:19:44,184 --> 00:19:45,435
but those were the heavy ones,
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00:19:45,518 --> 00:19:48,646
so he was facing
mandatory life sentences.
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00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:52,984
Sammy and Gotti
went to pretrial hearings
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soon after
they were arrested.
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00:19:55,445 --> 00:19:57,489
The government played
some of the tapes
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that they'd made
at the Ravenite building.
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Raab: Gravano,
for the first time,
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00:20:01,534 --> 00:20:04,204
heard what Gotti
had to say about him.
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Gotti is heard bad-mouthing
Gravano about his greediness.
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John is lamenting the fact
that Gravano is out of control.
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Every time he makes
somebody a partner,
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he kills them,
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00:20:29,312 --> 00:20:31,648
and then,
we get the heat for it.
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00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:40,907
There was one comment
where Gotti referred to Sammy,
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and it made it sound like
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00:20:42,617 --> 00:20:45,370
he was almost trying
to take over the family.
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Papa: Gravano was
sitting there with his lawyer,
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00:20:51,584 --> 00:20:53,420
and he didn't like
what he was hearing.
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Gravano was fuming.
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00:20:55,422 --> 00:20:59,259
Sammy Gravano, I think,
began to realize
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that John Gotti
wasn't his friend.
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00:21:03,179 --> 00:21:04,806
DeStefano: Sammy was
getting the sense that,
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00:21:04,931 --> 00:21:07,851
you know, "I'm being set up
to take the fall here."
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00:21:07,934 --> 00:21:11,271
Papa: Gravano did not
trust Gotti anymore.
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00:21:11,396 --> 00:21:15,859
Gravano felt there were changes
in stories and situations.
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00:21:15,942 --> 00:21:18,486
Brevetti: And then you have to
take Gravano's word for it,
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00:21:18,611 --> 00:21:21,281
that John basically told him
the lawyer --
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00:21:21,406 --> 00:21:22,782
the lawyers
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00:21:22,866 --> 00:21:25,285
that they hired
were prepared to create
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00:21:25,368 --> 00:21:28,955
this defense theory
that it was all Sammy.
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00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,875
The case against him
was very, very strong.
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00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:34,794
Papa: And Gravano was not
going to be the one
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00:21:34,878 --> 00:21:38,381
that would be stuck going to
prison for the rest of his life
449
00:21:38,465 --> 00:21:40,925
when, maybe,
Gotti would walk away.
450
00:21:41,009 --> 00:21:44,512
John turned on Sammy,
and that led to,
451
00:21:44,637 --> 00:21:46,806
"It's either going to be
my demise or John's demise."
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00:21:46,931 --> 00:21:49,059
And that's when
he called the FBI.
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00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:52,645
Feldman: In a stunning
development in the federal case
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against reputed
Mafia godfather John Gotti,
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00:21:55,648 --> 00:21:57,442
well-placed sources say
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00:21:57,525 --> 00:22:00,528
Gotti's right-hand man
has turned against his boss
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00:22:00,653 --> 00:22:02,655
and will now cooperate
with the government.
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00:22:02,739 --> 00:22:06,659
Salvatore "Sammy the Bull"
Gravano is in FBI custody.
459
00:22:06,785 --> 00:22:09,871
And when John heard it,
I'm told, he just went ashen.
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00:22:09,996 --> 00:22:11,498
It was like, oh, my God.
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DeStefano: It was
one of these seismic moments
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in the history
of organized crime.
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00:22:16,002 --> 00:22:20,715
♪♪
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♪♪
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Welcome back to
"Very Scary People."
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In November of 1991,
Sammy "The Bull" Gravano
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committed the ultimate
Mafia double cross,
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00:22:37,065 --> 00:22:38,358
turning government informant
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00:22:38,441 --> 00:22:40,735
on his former boss,
John Gotti.
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00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:43,029
Gravano is now himself
a prime target
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00:22:43,113 --> 00:22:45,115
for assassination by the mob.
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00:22:45,198 --> 00:22:48,576
So, while the FBI questioned him
about his murderous past,
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they kept him holed up
in a secret location.
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♪♪
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Gravano:
After I left Gotti,
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00:22:56,376 --> 00:22:58,336
the government
took control of me.
477
00:22:58,420 --> 00:23:01,089
They took me to Quantico.
478
00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:03,508
It's a military base.
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00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:05,552
Papa: What did he know?
480
00:23:05,677 --> 00:23:07,429
How much
was he going to reveal?
481
00:23:07,554 --> 00:23:09,264
Sammy had to
confess to everything,
482
00:23:09,389 --> 00:23:10,724
his life of crime.
483
00:23:10,849 --> 00:23:13,685
That's the contract you make
with the government
484
00:23:13,768 --> 00:23:16,062
when you defect and turn sides.
485
00:23:16,187 --> 00:23:17,731
McShane:
And he's telling stories
486
00:23:17,814 --> 00:23:20,900
that only a guy
who was right there,
487
00:23:20,984 --> 00:23:23,361
working alongside John Gotti,
could tell,
488
00:23:23,445 --> 00:23:24,904
very damning stories.
489
00:23:25,030 --> 00:23:27,365
We didn't know how many murders
he was responsible for
490
00:23:27,449 --> 00:23:28,616
until he told us.
491
00:23:28,742 --> 00:23:31,536
DeStefano:
He admitted to complicity
492
00:23:31,619 --> 00:23:34,664
to as many as 19 homicides.
493
00:23:34,748 --> 00:23:37,584
Gabriel: His attitude was,
"I didn't kill those guys.
494
00:23:37,667 --> 00:23:39,627
They committed suicide."
495
00:23:39,753 --> 00:23:42,047
They broke the rules,
they knew what they were doing,
496
00:23:42,130 --> 00:23:44,049
they knew they
got themselves in trouble,
497
00:23:44,132 --> 00:23:46,176
and they knew
what the penalty was."
498
00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:54,684
♪♪
499
00:23:54,768 --> 00:23:58,063
Papa: Sammy Gravano,
underboss of the family,
500
00:23:58,146 --> 00:24:03,151
was going to take the stand in
a showdown against John Gotti.
501
00:24:03,276 --> 00:24:05,612
Feldman: There is a lot at stake
for the federal government
502
00:24:05,737 --> 00:24:08,448
and for John Gotti
in the murder racketeering trial
503
00:24:08,531 --> 00:24:10,617
that moved into high gear
Wednesday.
504
00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:13,536
Thus far, Gotti has beaten
three raps against him
505
00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:15,538
in state and federal courts.
506
00:24:15,622 --> 00:24:18,541
There was papers
that were put up
507
00:24:18,625 --> 00:24:21,753
in his neighborhood,
around the courtroom,
508
00:24:21,836 --> 00:24:25,006
with a rat
with his face on it.
509
00:24:26,716 --> 00:24:30,637
Nobody ever thought they
would see somebody so high up
510
00:24:30,762 --> 00:24:34,641
give up omertà
to testify against a boss.
511
00:24:34,766 --> 00:24:37,268
The atmosphere was tense.
512
00:24:37,352 --> 00:24:42,315
Everybody sat in that courtroom
holding their breath.
513
00:24:42,399 --> 00:24:44,317
♪♪
514
00:24:44,442 --> 00:24:48,697
DeStefano: Sammy's role was
to authenticate and interpret
515
00:24:48,822 --> 00:24:50,990
what was going on
in the tape recordings.
516
00:24:51,074 --> 00:24:53,159
Gabriel: He had just
incredible recall,
517
00:24:53,284 --> 00:24:54,536
and he didn't leave details out.
518
00:24:54,661 --> 00:24:57,372
He didn't overstate.
He didn't understate.
519
00:24:57,497 --> 00:24:59,457
DeStefano:
When Gravano testified,
520
00:24:59,541 --> 00:25:01,001
the families of the victims
521
00:25:01,084 --> 00:25:03,336
got to know,
sometimes for the first time,
522
00:25:03,461 --> 00:25:06,715
who was really involved
and who had set this up
523
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,925
and how these things happened.
524
00:25:09,009 --> 00:25:13,221
Said he pulled the trigger
only once in 19 homicides.
525
00:25:14,723 --> 00:25:18,643
Somebody from the family
called me and said,
526
00:25:18,727 --> 00:25:21,521
"Sammy the Bull
just confessed to murders,
527
00:25:21,604 --> 00:25:25,525
and he said your brother was
the first one to be murdered."
528
00:25:25,608 --> 00:25:27,610
Finding out that it was Sammy,
529
00:25:27,694 --> 00:25:30,530
who was supposed to be
my brother's good friend,
530
00:25:30,655 --> 00:25:32,991
it was horrible.
531
00:25:33,908 --> 00:25:36,077
Gabriel: He wasn't concerned
with having to admit to it.
532
00:25:36,202 --> 00:25:37,579
This was mob business,
533
00:25:37,704 --> 00:25:39,289
and it just comes off
differently.
534
00:25:39,372 --> 00:25:44,294
It's more important that you're
not seen as a liar to a jury.
535
00:25:44,377 --> 00:25:47,297
♪♪
536
00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:50,383
Raab:
There was no end to hits
537
00:25:50,508 --> 00:25:53,178
that Gravano
carried out under Gotti.
538
00:25:53,261 --> 00:25:57,182
Gotti was a merciless
character, egomaniac,
539
00:25:57,265 --> 00:25:59,601
and anyone he thought
that insulted him
540
00:25:59,726 --> 00:26:03,021
or didn't obey
the slightest order,
541
00:26:03,104 --> 00:26:05,648
Gotti had one solution --
kill 'em.
542
00:26:05,732 --> 00:26:07,359
Feldman: Gravano also
calmly talked about
543
00:26:07,442 --> 00:26:10,070
how he murdered a close friend,
and, Wednesday,
544
00:26:10,153 --> 00:26:11,905
Gravano disclosed
that he also killed
545
00:26:11,988 --> 00:26:13,448
the cousin of his
brother-in-law
546
00:26:13,573 --> 00:26:14,949
in a mob dispute.
547
00:26:15,075 --> 00:26:18,912
Sammy would lay the blame
for all of it on John Gotti.
548
00:26:19,037 --> 00:26:22,707
Some of the situations
were just appalling.
549
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:26,920
Cardinale: And then, he got into
the crowning jewel of the case,
550
00:26:27,045 --> 00:26:29,673
which was
the Castellano-Bilotti murder.
551
00:26:30,715 --> 00:26:33,802
McShane: Sammy is there when
the plot is being hatched.
552
00:26:33,927 --> 00:26:37,263
He's in the car
when the shooting happens,
553
00:26:37,347 --> 00:26:40,767
sitting next to the guy
who ordered the hit.
554
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:42,102
You're hearing these details,
555
00:26:42,227 --> 00:26:44,938
it sounds like something
from a movie script.
556
00:26:45,063 --> 00:26:48,900
He nailed Gotti
to the Castellano cross.
557
00:26:48,983 --> 00:26:53,238
Our obvious defense was,
this was typical of Gravano.
558
00:26:53,321 --> 00:26:56,616
DeStefano: The defense depicted
Gravano to the jury
559
00:26:56,741 --> 00:26:58,368
as evil incarnate,
560
00:26:58,451 --> 00:27:01,788
a stone-cold killer
who would do anything
561
00:27:01,913 --> 00:27:03,832
to remove people
who were in his way.
562
00:27:03,957 --> 00:27:07,168
They were trying to portray him
as the person
563
00:27:07,293 --> 00:27:09,254
who really was pulling
the strings on Gotti.
564
00:27:09,337 --> 00:27:11,047
Feldman: Gotti's lawyer
told the jurors
565
00:27:11,131 --> 00:27:13,049
that the jury box
they are sitting in
566
00:27:13,133 --> 00:27:16,720
doesn't have enough chairs
to put Gravano's victims in.
567
00:27:16,803 --> 00:27:19,514
Cardinale: Everybody he had
involvement with killing
568
00:27:19,639 --> 00:27:21,141
was so that
he could better himself.
569
00:27:21,266 --> 00:27:23,643
Ultimately, what he did
in that courtroom
570
00:27:23,727 --> 00:27:25,061
was to better himself --
571
00:27:25,145 --> 00:27:28,481
come up with a story
that he knew could get him
572
00:27:28,606 --> 00:27:30,900
his ticket to freedom.
573
00:27:33,695 --> 00:27:34,904
Rook: The verdict
was like a bullet,
574
00:27:34,988 --> 00:27:37,490
puncturing John Gotti's
longtime image
575
00:27:37,574 --> 00:27:39,409
of invincibility
from the law.
576
00:27:39,492 --> 00:27:43,038
The boss of the Gambino crime
family was found guilty today
577
00:27:43,163 --> 00:27:46,833
on all 13 counts of murder
and racketeering.
578
00:27:47,667 --> 00:27:49,419
Fox: Teflon is gone.
579
00:27:49,502 --> 00:27:51,129
The Don is covered with Velcro,
580
00:27:51,212 --> 00:27:53,882
and every charge
in the indictment stuck.
581
00:27:54,007 --> 00:27:56,009
Feldman: This time,
the jury convicted him
582
00:27:56,092 --> 00:27:58,762
on charges
that included five murders,
583
00:27:58,845 --> 00:28:01,848
and he was sentenced
to life without parole.
584
00:28:01,973 --> 00:28:03,933
Papa: It was over
for John Gotti.
585
00:28:04,017 --> 00:28:07,896
He could say he had his honor
and Sammy Gravano did not.
586
00:28:08,021 --> 00:28:11,524
But Sammy Gravano
was going to have a life.
587
00:28:11,649 --> 00:28:13,860
DeStefano: Sammy agreed to
cooperate with the FBI
588
00:28:13,943 --> 00:28:17,155
in any investigations
of any of those crimes
589
00:28:17,238 --> 00:28:19,616
and any sort
of other information
590
00:28:19,699 --> 00:28:21,576
he had about
organized crime.
591
00:28:21,701 --> 00:28:25,914
He was so good that they brought
him back over and over again.
592
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:27,374
His deal is he cooperates.
593
00:28:27,457 --> 00:28:29,209
When he's done cooperating,
he gets sentenced.
594
00:28:29,292 --> 00:28:30,752
Brevetti:
Even a 20-year sentence
595
00:28:30,877 --> 00:28:32,128
would have been a favor,
596
00:28:32,212 --> 00:28:34,214
given the fact that
people in his position
597
00:28:34,297 --> 00:28:36,925
were being given sentences
of 100 years.
598
00:28:37,050 --> 00:28:40,887
He did his job on the stand,
and he did it for years.
599
00:28:41,012 --> 00:28:44,933
Probably got better treatment
than any defector
600
00:28:45,058 --> 00:28:46,726
in the history of the Mafia.
601
00:28:46,851 --> 00:28:50,438
DeStefano: Largely because of
all the cooperation he gave,
602
00:28:50,563 --> 00:28:51,856
he was sentenced
by Judge Glasser
603
00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:54,693
to five years in prison.
604
00:28:54,776 --> 00:28:58,863
♪♪
605
00:28:58,947 --> 00:29:02,659
To the families, of course,
he was the executioner
606
00:29:02,742 --> 00:29:06,329
who was getting
an unbelievable deal.
607
00:29:06,413 --> 00:29:09,290
He admitted to 19 murders.
608
00:29:09,416 --> 00:29:13,086
To get John Gotti, they had
to make a deal with the devil.
609
00:29:13,211 --> 00:29:15,046
Tuchman: CNN has confirmed
that Sammy the Bull
610
00:29:15,130 --> 00:29:17,966
will be released from jail
sometime this coming week.
611
00:29:18,091 --> 00:29:20,010
He will move to
an undisclosed city or town
612
00:29:20,093 --> 00:29:21,970
and assume a new identity
under the care of
613
00:29:22,095 --> 00:29:24,264
the Federal Witness
Protection Program.
614
00:29:24,347 --> 00:29:25,932
Gotti wanted him killed.
615
00:29:26,016 --> 00:29:29,978
Papa: There was the
$1 million bounty on his head.
616
00:29:30,103 --> 00:29:33,023
Gabriel: They relocate you.
It's not a place of your choice.
617
00:29:33,106 --> 00:29:36,192
You truly, truly walk away
from your life,
618
00:29:36,276 --> 00:29:37,944
your family, from your friends.
619
00:29:38,028 --> 00:29:40,238
Papa: He had facial surgery.
620
00:29:40,321 --> 00:29:44,284
He was going to have a new
identity and then disappear.
621
00:29:44,409 --> 00:29:54,002
♪♪
622
00:29:57,672 --> 00:29:59,215
Brevetti:
Sammy Gravano will say,
623
00:29:59,299 --> 00:30:00,717
you know,
"There's an absolute rule --
624
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,302
you don't talk
625
00:30:02,385 --> 00:30:04,429
about what goes on
in the family.
626
00:30:04,512 --> 00:30:07,140
Sweetingham:
He was very critical of Gotti
627
00:30:07,265 --> 00:30:09,517
and, frankly, any mob boss
628
00:30:09,642 --> 00:30:10,977
who sought out fame
629
00:30:11,102 --> 00:30:13,480
or the limelight
or the spotlight.
630
00:30:13,605 --> 00:30:16,232
Brevetti: But once you become
a government witness,
631
00:30:16,316 --> 00:30:19,152
well, you've done it,
and so you can write a book,
632
00:30:19,235 --> 00:30:20,612
and you can talk about it.
633
00:30:20,695 --> 00:30:23,323
That's Sammy's logic.
634
00:30:23,406 --> 00:30:27,243
♪♪
635
00:30:27,327 --> 00:30:29,412
Sawyer: He agreed to talk
on the condition that we provide
636
00:30:29,496 --> 00:30:32,248
former FBI agents
for his protection
637
00:30:32,332 --> 00:30:36,544
and not broadcast until he had
dropped safely out of sight.
638
00:30:36,670 --> 00:30:39,506
Here I am, the Mafia.
639
00:30:39,631 --> 00:30:44,678
They have said you are the
single most important witness
640
00:30:44,761 --> 00:30:47,222
ever to testify
against the mob.
641
00:30:47,347 --> 00:30:48,890
I think I am.
642
00:30:49,724 --> 00:30:53,186
He testified against
Vinny "The Chin" Gigante.
643
00:30:54,187 --> 00:30:57,023
The head of
the Genovese family.
644
00:30:57,148 --> 00:31:00,485
I believe the security tab
to protect Gravano
645
00:31:00,568 --> 00:31:02,821
during his days
of testifying in Brooklyn
646
00:31:02,904 --> 00:31:05,490
was like a quarter
of a million dollars.
647
00:31:05,573 --> 00:31:09,953
They had helicopters getting
him in and out of the court.
648
00:31:10,036 --> 00:31:12,831
Tyre: Gravano,
who admits to killing 19 people,
649
00:31:12,914 --> 00:31:14,916
provided what
the prosecution lacked --
650
00:31:15,041 --> 00:31:16,835
a first-hand account
of Gigante's
651
00:31:16,918 --> 00:31:18,420
alleged mob activities.
652
00:31:18,545 --> 00:31:20,213
McShane: And they won
their conviction,
653
00:31:20,338 --> 00:31:21,881
but the families of the victims,
654
00:31:22,007 --> 00:31:23,633
people killed by Gravano,
655
00:31:23,717 --> 00:31:27,971
came in the court,
you know, to watch him testify.
656
00:31:28,054 --> 00:31:29,347
Tyre:
Under cross-examination,
657
00:31:29,431 --> 00:31:31,141
Gravano acknowledged
that he had been paid
658
00:31:31,224 --> 00:31:32,726
a quarter of a million dollars
659
00:31:32,809 --> 00:31:35,395
to collaborate on his
best-selling book "Underboss"
660
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,731
and expected to get
a percentage of a movie deal
661
00:31:37,814 --> 00:31:38,982
based on the book.
662
00:31:39,065 --> 00:31:40,650
That angered the families
of his victims
663
00:31:40,734 --> 00:31:43,653
who were suing Gravano
under New York's Son of Sam law,
664
00:31:43,737 --> 00:31:47,157
which prohibits lawbreakers from
profiting from their crimes.
665
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,576
This is a man who based
his life and his career
666
00:31:49,659 --> 00:31:51,536
on lies and deception.
667
00:31:51,619 --> 00:31:55,874
Why is he now, all of a sudden,
a credible witness to anyone?
668
00:31:55,957 --> 00:31:57,709
McShane: They were
pursuing legal action
669
00:31:57,792 --> 00:32:02,255
to make Gravano
literally pay for his crimes.
670
00:32:02,339 --> 00:32:04,966
♪♪
671
00:32:05,091 --> 00:32:08,094
Sweetingham: After Sammy
testified in seven trials,
672
00:32:08,178 --> 00:32:10,430
and he was going to
testify in many more,
673
00:32:10,513 --> 00:32:13,141
he and his family,
his wife and his two children,
674
00:32:13,266 --> 00:32:15,435
quietly moved to Tempe, Arizona,
675
00:32:15,518 --> 00:32:17,771
where he went under
the name Jimmy Moran.
676
00:32:17,854 --> 00:32:20,231
He pulled himself out of
the Witness Protection Program.
677
00:32:20,315 --> 00:32:21,691
They wanted to live
where they wanted to live,
678
00:32:21,775 --> 00:32:24,152
not where the program
was going to put them.
679
00:32:24,277 --> 00:32:25,570
He's going to be looking
over his shoulder,
680
00:32:25,653 --> 00:32:28,573
but he just wanted
to do it on his own terms.
681
00:32:28,656 --> 00:32:30,158
Sweetingham: They bought
an eight-bedroom home
682
00:32:30,283 --> 00:32:32,327
with a three-car garage
and a pool.
683
00:32:32,452 --> 00:32:34,454
Sammy started
a pool construction business.
684
00:32:34,537 --> 00:32:36,831
And he was doing very,
very well.
685
00:32:36,956 --> 00:32:39,125
Sweetingham: They opened
a restaurant called Uncle Sal's
686
00:32:39,209 --> 00:32:42,045
that his wife, Debra, ran,
and its motto was,
687
00:32:42,128 --> 00:32:45,840
"The best-kept
secret in Scottsdale."
688
00:32:45,965 --> 00:32:47,050
Gabriel: But, at some point,
689
00:32:47,133 --> 00:32:48,468
he's hanging out
at the restaurant.
690
00:32:48,551 --> 00:32:51,304
He had a little
reconstructive surgery done,
691
00:32:51,388 --> 00:32:53,181
but it really didn't change
his appearance that much.
692
00:32:53,306 --> 00:32:55,433
He still conducts himself
the way he conducts himself.
693
00:32:55,517 --> 00:32:58,687
And, you know,
people started catching on.
694
00:32:59,813 --> 00:33:01,731
His true identity gets unmasked
695
00:33:01,815 --> 00:33:03,817
by a reporter from
The Arizona Republic
696
00:33:03,942 --> 00:33:05,777
who tracks him down.
697
00:33:05,860 --> 00:33:07,237
McShane:
The Sammy in Arizona story
698
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,239
gets national attention,
of course.
699
00:33:09,322 --> 00:33:11,074
It spread all over the place.
700
00:33:11,157 --> 00:33:13,284
Gabriel: Sammy thought
he was okay,
701
00:33:13,368 --> 00:33:15,328
but he wasn't as safe
as he thought he was.
702
00:33:15,453 --> 00:33:17,872
Sweetingham:
You can understand why the FBI
703
00:33:17,997 --> 00:33:19,290
was so invested in Sammy.
704
00:33:19,374 --> 00:33:21,334
He had helped them put away
705
00:33:21,459 --> 00:33:24,671
more than three dozen
former mob associates.
706
00:33:24,796 --> 00:33:27,048
Gabriel: We were prepping him
for one last trial.
707
00:33:27,173 --> 00:33:29,551
We very much had an interest
in making sure
708
00:33:29,676 --> 00:33:31,803
he played it smart
and he stayed alive.
709
00:33:31,886 --> 00:33:35,974
♪♪
710
00:33:36,057 --> 00:33:37,559
Sammy was always
protective of his son.
711
00:33:37,684 --> 00:33:40,145
He didn't want to see
his son in the life.
712
00:33:40,228 --> 00:33:41,563
Raab: He was so critical
of Gotti
713
00:33:41,688 --> 00:33:45,692
for recruiting his own son,
John Gotti Jr.,
714
00:33:45,817 --> 00:33:48,737
to become a made member
of the Mafia,
715
00:33:48,862 --> 00:33:50,238
and he felt this was terrible,
716
00:33:50,363 --> 00:33:53,283
that he would never do this
with his own family.
717
00:33:53,366 --> 00:33:55,410
Sweetingham: But then,
in late 1998,
718
00:33:55,535 --> 00:33:58,038
Sammy discovers
that his son Gerard
719
00:33:58,121 --> 00:33:59,956
has been selling ecstasy pills
720
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,544
outside of nightclubs in Phoenix
with his best friend, Mike Papa.
721
00:34:04,627 --> 00:34:07,380
Gabriel: His account of it was,
Sammy catches wind of it,
722
00:34:07,505 --> 00:34:09,758
not real happy
with what they're doing.
723
00:34:09,883 --> 00:34:11,551
McShane:
Sammy was not into that.
724
00:34:11,676 --> 00:34:15,388
He kind of looked down on
the practice of selling drugs.
725
00:34:15,472 --> 00:34:18,266
Sweetingham: Here was
the perfect opportunity
726
00:34:18,391 --> 00:34:20,393
to set the boys straight,
727
00:34:20,518 --> 00:34:23,605
but instead,
he didn't discourage them --
728
00:34:23,730 --> 00:34:25,607
he mentored them.
729
00:34:25,732 --> 00:34:27,609
Brevetti: It's fast money.
It's easy money.
730
00:34:27,734 --> 00:34:31,613
He's going to try to re-create
the life he had before.
731
00:34:31,738 --> 00:34:34,324
Sweetingham: And pretty soon,
Gerard and Mike Papa
732
00:34:34,407 --> 00:34:37,535
were carrying guns
and using Sammy's name
733
00:34:37,619 --> 00:34:40,622
to influence and intimidate
other drug dealers,
734
00:34:40,747 --> 00:34:44,000
and Mike Papa beats up
a drug dealer
735
00:34:44,084 --> 00:34:46,294
who has ties to Israeli Mafia.
736
00:34:46,419 --> 00:34:50,590
Eventually, the two rival groups
call a truce,
737
00:34:50,715 --> 00:34:53,176
and they sit down
at Uncle Sal's,
738
00:34:53,259 --> 00:34:56,721
and Gravano says to them,
"I own Arizona.
739
00:34:56,805 --> 00:34:59,432
It is locked down,
and you cannot sell pills here
740
00:34:59,516 --> 00:35:01,267
without going through me."
741
00:35:01,351 --> 00:35:02,435
Farinella:
Not that he was innocent,
742
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,689
but he was trying to ensure
743
00:35:05,772 --> 00:35:09,526
that his son and his family
was protected.
744
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,781
Sweetingham:
So DEA in Arizona and police
745
00:35:14,906 --> 00:35:18,410
began an investigation they call
Operation Ecstasy,
746
00:35:18,493 --> 00:35:22,080
and they had
some 11 wiretaps and bugs
747
00:35:22,163 --> 00:35:25,291
listening to him
and his associates.
748
00:35:25,417 --> 00:35:26,960
Gabriel: You would think
he'd be smarter
749
00:35:27,043 --> 00:35:29,963
to have those kinds
of conversations on a phone,
750
00:35:30,046 --> 00:35:33,258
but, you know, again, when you
don't think you're doing much,
751
00:35:33,341 --> 00:35:35,301
you get stupid.
752
00:35:35,427 --> 00:35:37,554
Napolitano: Beginning at about
6:30 this morning,
753
00:35:37,637 --> 00:35:40,890
14 search warrants were served
by seven SWAT teams.
754
00:35:40,974 --> 00:35:45,061
On February 24, 2000,
the DEA and Phoenix State Police
755
00:35:45,145 --> 00:35:46,438
arrest Sammy.
756
00:35:46,521 --> 00:35:47,689
They arrest his wife, Debra,
757
00:35:47,814 --> 00:35:50,150
his daughter, Karen,
his son, Gerard,
758
00:35:50,275 --> 00:35:52,944
Mike Papa, and 41 others.
759
00:35:53,028 --> 00:35:56,322
We learned that
the Papa-Gravano organization
760
00:35:56,406 --> 00:36:00,410
distributed 20,000 to 30,000
ecstasy pills per week
761
00:36:00,493 --> 00:36:03,246
in the Phoenix
metropolitan area.
762
00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:05,331
Sweetingham:
And they estimate that Sammy
763
00:36:05,457 --> 00:36:08,251
and this ecstasy
distribution ring
764
00:36:08,335 --> 00:36:11,046
was making $1 million a month.
765
00:36:11,171 --> 00:36:12,255
I got the call,
and I was like,
766
00:36:12,339 --> 00:36:14,257
"You gotta be kidding me."
767
00:36:14,341 --> 00:36:16,843
He couldn't be that stupid.
768
00:36:16,968 --> 00:36:24,225
♪♪
769
00:36:27,687 --> 00:36:28,938
Feldman: Gravano
is back in the news --
770
00:36:29,022 --> 00:36:30,690
this time, in Arizona,
771
00:36:30,774 --> 00:36:32,984
where he has lived
the past few years
772
00:36:33,068 --> 00:36:36,696
after leaving the Federal
Witness Protection Program.
773
00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:38,990
Gravano is charged
with helping finance
774
00:36:39,074 --> 00:36:43,828
a drug ring that sold ecstasy,
a so-called designer drug.
775
00:36:51,378 --> 00:36:53,505
They're being held on
a charge of conspiracy
776
00:36:53,588 --> 00:36:55,090
to distribute
dangerous narcotics,
777
00:36:55,215 --> 00:36:57,842
which is a class 2 felony
in Arizona.
778
00:36:58,927 --> 00:37:01,805
Gabriel: So, the irony
of him getting arrested,
779
00:37:01,888 --> 00:37:05,725
he may not see it this way,
but it actually saved his life.
780
00:37:05,850 --> 00:37:10,897
There was an elaborate
murder-revenge plot against him
781
00:37:11,022 --> 00:37:13,733
by Gambino family members.
782
00:37:13,817 --> 00:37:15,944
They were going to
blow him up with a bomb.
783
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:18,780
And I think they came close
to being able to get him.
784
00:37:18,905 --> 00:37:22,200
Then Sammy gets arrested
and doesn't get out on bail,
785
00:37:22,283 --> 00:37:24,119
and that's the end of the plot.
786
00:37:24,244 --> 00:37:26,788
I don't think he really ever
thought they would do it,
787
00:37:26,913 --> 00:37:28,248
but they did.
788
00:37:28,373 --> 00:37:34,004
♪♪
789
00:37:34,087 --> 00:37:36,756
Sweetingham: So, after
Sammy's arrested in Arizona
790
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,466
on state charges,
791
00:37:38,591 --> 00:37:41,177
the New York DEA and Customs
792
00:37:41,261 --> 00:37:43,763
begins
a joint investigation on him.
793
00:37:43,847 --> 00:37:46,766
In Arizona, they knew
that he was dealing ecstasy,
794
00:37:46,850 --> 00:37:49,894
but they didn't know
who his source was.
795
00:37:49,978 --> 00:37:52,522
In New York, they figure it out.
796
00:37:52,605 --> 00:37:56,359
Sammy was getting his pills
from a New York wholesaler
797
00:37:56,443 --> 00:37:59,362
who had ties
to Israeli organized Mafia.
798
00:37:59,446 --> 00:38:01,281
So there were both federal
and state charges.
799
00:38:01,406 --> 00:38:03,533
The federal charges were
definitely more serious,
800
00:38:03,616 --> 00:38:05,618
and they carried more time,
for certain.
801
00:38:05,744 --> 00:38:14,502
♪♪
802
00:38:14,627 --> 00:38:17,172
Sweetingham:
Gravano and his son, Gerard,
803
00:38:17,297 --> 00:38:19,632
go to court to plead guilty,
804
00:38:19,716 --> 00:38:22,635
but, in fact, prosecutors were
ready to put on a whole trial
805
00:38:22,761 --> 00:38:25,597
showing how Sammy created
his own little Mafia,
806
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,640
drug-dealing syndicate
in Arizona.
807
00:38:27,724 --> 00:38:29,184
It appeared that
the court was disappointed
808
00:38:29,309 --> 00:38:31,227
that he didn't utilize
his second chance
809
00:38:31,311 --> 00:38:34,522
and that he was back in front
of a judge on different charges.
810
00:38:34,647 --> 00:38:37,484
The judge sentenced Sammy
to 20 years in prison.
811
00:38:37,567 --> 00:38:40,612
She also ordered him
on supervised release
812
00:38:40,695 --> 00:38:42,238
for the rest of his life.
813
00:38:42,322 --> 00:38:44,949
Colucci: It was important
'cause we wanted to make sure
814
00:38:45,033 --> 00:38:47,285
that he was going to be
convicted of something,
815
00:38:47,369 --> 00:38:48,953
anything.
816
00:38:49,037 --> 00:38:54,959
I am pleased for the people
that he has hurt in this crime,
817
00:38:55,043 --> 00:39:00,215
but I am not pleased that
he got away with 19 murders,
818
00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:02,008
including my son.
819
00:39:02,092 --> 00:39:09,933
♪♪
820
00:39:10,016 --> 00:39:16,147
He had to pay $420,000
to the family members,
821
00:39:16,231 --> 00:39:17,899
to be split up between them.
822
00:39:20,485 --> 00:39:24,864
Sammy gets out from prison
in 2017.
823
00:39:24,989 --> 00:39:27,701
Brevetti: He lost his teeth,
lost his hair,
824
00:39:27,784 --> 00:39:30,870
was put in
solitary confinement,
825
00:39:30,995 --> 00:39:32,038
but he survived.
826
00:39:32,122 --> 00:39:33,707
Sammy had changed a lot.
827
00:39:33,790 --> 00:39:36,710
Raab: He had contracted
Graves' disease,
828
00:39:36,835 --> 00:39:39,337
a very serious
thyroid ailment.
829
00:39:39,421 --> 00:39:42,507
Gravano had always been
a health nut,
830
00:39:42,590 --> 00:39:46,553
and here he was -- gaunt,
his eyes were popping.
831
00:39:46,636 --> 00:39:48,930
He had aged 50 years.
832
00:39:51,182 --> 00:39:52,600
McShane: Ex-con...
833
00:39:52,726 --> 00:39:55,228
convicted drug dealer...
834
00:39:55,353 --> 00:39:56,563
mob rat --
835
00:39:56,688 --> 00:39:58,690
quite a résumé.
[ Chuckles ]
836
00:39:58,773 --> 00:40:03,069
Gabriel: Sammy Gravano,
I think, as with any wise guy,
837
00:40:03,153 --> 00:40:05,405
they're wise guys to the end.
838
00:40:05,530 --> 00:40:07,907
Normal people obey the rules.
839
00:40:07,991 --> 00:40:12,746
This is somebody who did not
and who lives to tell about it.
840
00:40:12,871 --> 00:40:14,164
Gabriel:
It's really ironic.
841
00:40:14,247 --> 00:40:17,625
He did a lot for the mob
to make the mob strong,
842
00:40:17,751 --> 00:40:20,712
and he did a heck of a lot more
to weaken the mob.
843
00:40:20,795 --> 00:40:24,507
And in order to better himself
at every stage,
844
00:40:24,591 --> 00:40:27,135
he did very evil things.
845
00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:30,764
But he is still out there
being Sammy Gravano,
846
00:40:30,889 --> 00:40:34,184
and he's going to take advantage
of his reputation.
847
00:40:34,267 --> 00:40:37,896
He's figured out a way
to turn his past into profit.
848
00:40:37,979 --> 00:40:41,608
He has a podcast,
which he calls
849
00:40:41,691 --> 00:40:44,527
Cosa Nostra -- Our Thing.
850
00:40:44,611 --> 00:40:48,990
I know part of the life
is deception.
851
00:40:49,115 --> 00:40:51,326
In planning a hit,
you're always doing something
852
00:40:51,451 --> 00:40:52,660
or saying something,
853
00:40:52,786 --> 00:40:54,537
and you're plotting
against a guy,
854
00:40:54,621 --> 00:40:57,082
but usually it happens
one, two, three.
855
00:40:58,875 --> 00:41:00,710
There's a bit of
a disconnect thinking,
856
00:41:00,794 --> 00:41:03,713
well, there's
this friendly, warm guy.
857
00:41:03,797 --> 00:41:06,800
On the other hand,
you know, he's a hitman.
858
00:41:07,634 --> 00:41:10,512
There's a complete fascination
with people
859
00:41:10,637 --> 00:41:14,557
who live fearlessly,
kill people,
860
00:41:14,641 --> 00:41:16,476
doing it as part of business.
861
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:17,852
♪♪
862
00:41:17,977 --> 00:41:19,854
Gabriel:
He's reliving those days.
863
00:41:19,979 --> 00:41:23,650
He's not hiding from who he was
and who he is,
864
00:41:23,775 --> 00:41:25,777
but thank God he's not
active in it, right,
865
00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:30,115
because he was a force
to be reckoned with when he was.
866
00:41:30,198 --> 00:41:34,828
♪♪
867
00:41:34,953 --> 00:41:36,871
Gravano's former boss,
John Gotti,
868
00:41:36,996 --> 00:41:39,499
spent the rest of his life
behind bars.
869
00:41:39,582 --> 00:41:42,002
He died from throat cancer
in 2002
870
00:41:42,127 --> 00:41:45,171
with his plan to kill Gravano
unfulfilled.
871
00:41:45,255 --> 00:41:47,674
So many years after turning
government witness,
872
00:41:47,799 --> 00:41:50,051
Sammy "The Bull" Gravano
was thought to be safe
873
00:41:50,176 --> 00:41:51,344
from retribution.
874
00:41:51,469 --> 00:41:55,265
Most of his Mafia contemporaries
are dead or behind bars.
875
00:41:55,348 --> 00:41:57,726
He may have been New York's
first high-ranking mobster
876
00:41:57,851 --> 00:41:59,602
to violate omertà,
877
00:41:59,686 --> 00:42:02,522
but many others
have followed in his footsteps.
878
00:42:02,647 --> 00:42:03,773
I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
879
00:42:03,857 --> 00:42:05,358
Thanks for watching.
880
00:42:05,442 --> 00:42:06,735
Good night.
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