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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,509 --> 00:00:13,471 DeFeo: My father was my best friend. 2 00:00:13,555 --> 00:00:16,433 He was the best friend I ever had. 3 00:00:16,516 --> 00:00:19,310 My mother and me -- we were very, very close. 4 00:00:19,394 --> 00:00:22,355 Me and my two sisters -- we got along excellent. 5 00:00:22,439 --> 00:00:25,108 My two younger brothers, Marc and John -- 6 00:00:25,191 --> 00:00:27,569 we were really a close family, you know? 7 00:00:27,694 --> 00:00:29,571 It was a tragedy. 8 00:00:29,696 --> 00:00:32,532 I lost my whole family. 9 00:01:03,521 --> 00:01:05,732 Welcome to "Very Scary People." 10 00:01:05,815 --> 00:01:07,233 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 11 00:01:07,358 --> 00:01:09,235 In November of 1974, 12 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,780 the quiet seaside town of Amityville, New York, 13 00:01:11,905 --> 00:01:16,659 became known the world over for a crime so horrific, 14 00:01:16,743 --> 00:01:19,704 it inspired a Hollywood horror franchise. 15 00:01:19,788 --> 00:01:22,415 Six members of one family were murdered, 16 00:01:22,499 --> 00:01:26,252 shot to death in their own home, lying in their own beds. 17 00:01:26,377 --> 00:01:28,505 Only one family member lived to tell the story 18 00:01:28,588 --> 00:01:32,217 of what happened that night at 112 Ocean Avenue. 19 00:01:32,300 --> 00:01:35,845 This is part one of "The Amityville Horror." 20 00:01:44,312 --> 00:01:46,731 Aronson: Amityville is an old town, 21 00:01:46,815 --> 00:01:49,150 and it has tradition. 22 00:01:49,275 --> 00:01:52,779 There was this very congenial feeling. 23 00:01:52,904 --> 00:01:54,322 It sounds so cliché, 24 00:01:54,447 --> 00:01:58,034 but it is like the quintessential small town. 25 00:01:58,118 --> 00:02:00,453 The center of the town has the gazebo 26 00:02:00,578 --> 00:02:03,081 where they have Fourth of July, Halloween, 27 00:02:03,164 --> 00:02:06,459 and Christmas celebrations with carols. 28 00:02:06,584 --> 00:02:10,088 And you're by the water, the Great South Bay. 29 00:02:10,171 --> 00:02:14,175 When I was young, I used to spend my summers in Amityville. 30 00:02:14,300 --> 00:02:17,053 It was named -- "Amicus" in Latin means "happy." 31 00:02:17,137 --> 00:02:19,389 It's a happy place. 32 00:02:19,472 --> 00:02:21,933 Uruburu: Amityville was just another town 33 00:02:22,016 --> 00:02:23,726 until the murders happened. 34 00:02:23,810 --> 00:02:27,605 It inspired one of the greatest horror stories of all time. 35 00:02:27,689 --> 00:02:30,483 [ Gunfire ] 36 00:02:30,567 --> 00:02:37,866 ♪♪ 37 00:02:37,991 --> 00:02:40,785 [ Dog barking ] 38 00:02:40,869 --> 00:02:43,788 Osuna: It was in the middle of the night, 39 00:02:43,872 --> 00:02:46,541 pitch black at the DeFeo household -- 40 00:02:46,666 --> 00:02:47,834 112 Ocean Avenue. 41 00:02:47,917 --> 00:02:51,588 [ Dog howling ] 42 00:02:51,671 --> 00:02:54,799 Didio: The family's Old English Sheepdog, Shaggy, 43 00:02:54,883 --> 00:02:56,176 was howling. 44 00:02:56,259 --> 00:02:58,261 [ Howling continues ] 45 00:02:58,344 --> 00:02:59,888 It's very odd 46 00:03:00,013 --> 00:03:04,184 and quite chilling. 47 00:03:04,309 --> 00:03:06,519 And that's the way the story began. 48 00:03:06,603 --> 00:03:12,317 ♪♪ 49 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,152 Osuna: Ronald DeFeo Jr. -- 50 00:03:14,235 --> 00:03:15,737 his nickname was "Butch." 51 00:03:15,862 --> 00:03:19,240 Butch DeFeo said that he had been trying to get in touch 52 00:03:19,365 --> 00:03:21,534 with his family throughout the day, 53 00:03:21,659 --> 00:03:25,538 and he went home, had to break a window to get in 54 00:03:25,622 --> 00:03:28,208 'cause he had forgotten his house key. 55 00:03:37,550 --> 00:03:38,885 It was dark in the house, 56 00:03:39,010 --> 00:03:43,264 and he went right to his parents' room. 57 00:03:43,389 --> 00:03:45,308 Jordan: When Ronnie entered his parents' room, 58 00:03:45,391 --> 00:03:47,727 he made a horrific discovery. 59 00:03:48,895 --> 00:03:51,856 Osuna: He found them lying in bed, 60 00:03:51,940 --> 00:03:54,234 shot execution-style. 61 00:03:56,736 --> 00:04:01,199 And he drove very fast down the street to Henry's Bar. 62 00:04:01,282 --> 00:04:03,284 He opened the door and he was screaming, "Come on, help me! 63 00:04:03,409 --> 00:04:04,953 Somebody shot my mother and father!" 64 00:04:05,078 --> 00:04:06,412 Everyone ran out of the bar. 65 00:04:06,537 --> 00:04:08,414 Osuna: It definitely broke 66 00:04:08,498 --> 00:04:10,250 the sleepiness of Amityville -- 67 00:04:10,333 --> 00:04:13,461 something you just would never imagine in that quaint town. 68 00:04:13,586 --> 00:04:17,382 A friend called 911, and the local Amityville police 69 00:04:17,465 --> 00:04:19,008 were the first on the scene. 70 00:04:19,092 --> 00:04:23,054 There, they found something even more unthinkable. 71 00:04:23,137 --> 00:04:25,431 Berry-Dee: And the tragedy that unfolded that night 72 00:04:25,556 --> 00:04:28,935 is absolutely shocking. 73 00:04:29,060 --> 00:04:32,438 Spero: We heard it was maybe a double homicide, 74 00:04:32,522 --> 00:04:35,984 but there was one or two local cops from Amityville 75 00:04:36,109 --> 00:04:38,111 that tipped me that 76 00:04:38,194 --> 00:04:40,405 "This thing is a lot worse 77 00:04:40,488 --> 00:04:42,615 than you guys think it is." 78 00:04:42,699 --> 00:04:45,285 I proceeded to check out the house, 79 00:04:45,410 --> 00:04:48,913 and I found Mr. DeFeo Sr. and Mrs. DeFeo 80 00:04:48,997 --> 00:04:52,333 laying in bed with gunshot wounds to the back. 81 00:04:52,458 --> 00:04:55,044 I then checked the northeast bedroom, 82 00:04:55,128 --> 00:04:58,464 and I found two young boys lying in separate beds 83 00:04:58,589 --> 00:05:01,384 with gunshot wounds to the back. 84 00:05:01,467 --> 00:05:04,470 Then I checked the southeast bedroom, 85 00:05:04,595 --> 00:05:07,598 and I found a young girl with a gunshot wound 86 00:05:07,682 --> 00:05:10,643 to the rear of her neck and head area. 87 00:05:10,768 --> 00:05:13,479 I proceeded to the third floor of the house, 88 00:05:13,604 --> 00:05:16,482 and on the east-side bedroom, found another young lady 89 00:05:16,607 --> 00:05:19,986 with a gunshot wound to the head. 90 00:05:20,069 --> 00:05:23,239 This was a multiple murder -- 91 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:26,868 six bodies, six victims. 92 00:05:26,993 --> 00:05:30,079 And then we found out it was the DeFeo family -- 93 00:05:30,163 --> 00:05:31,998 the father, the mother. 94 00:05:32,081 --> 00:05:33,875 Dawn was 18, 95 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,294 Allison was 13, 96 00:05:36,377 --> 00:05:38,463 Marc was 11, 97 00:05:38,546 --> 00:05:41,716 and John, the youngest one, was 9. 98 00:05:41,841 --> 00:05:44,510 His whole life was taken away. 99 00:05:44,635 --> 00:05:47,513 Greguski: I had never seen anything this gruesome, 100 00:05:47,638 --> 00:05:50,892 and I couldn't sleep for months. 101 00:05:51,017 --> 00:05:52,769 ♪♪ 102 00:05:52,852 --> 00:05:55,396 Jordan: The DeFeo family had moved from Brooklyn 103 00:05:55,521 --> 00:05:58,524 to their stately Amityville home in 1965, 104 00:05:58,608 --> 00:06:01,319 and many wondered, was it a burglary 105 00:06:01,402 --> 00:06:03,404 or maybe a home invasion 106 00:06:03,529 --> 00:06:06,949 that had been the motive for the murders? 107 00:06:07,033 --> 00:06:09,285 Turner: You could tell they had money. 108 00:06:09,369 --> 00:06:13,456 The house was a very, very nice house in a good neighborhood, 109 00:06:13,539 --> 00:06:17,460 on the water, with a pool and a boat dock, 110 00:06:17,543 --> 00:06:20,004 and there was a [Laughing] sign out front 111 00:06:20,088 --> 00:06:22,048 that said, "High Hopes." 112 00:06:22,173 --> 00:06:23,549 I remember saying to myself, 113 00:06:23,633 --> 00:06:26,886 "Well, I guess their high hopes are gone." 114 00:06:26,969 --> 00:06:29,222 Man: This bulletin from the WOR newsroom. 115 00:06:29,305 --> 00:06:32,433 Six members of one family have been found shot to death 116 00:06:32,558 --> 00:06:34,727 in their nightclothes in their expensive home 117 00:06:34,852 --> 00:06:36,938 in Amityville, Long Island. 118 00:06:37,063 --> 00:06:40,733 Martin: Six people in one family had been murdered. 119 00:06:40,858 --> 00:06:42,485 That was quite astounding. 120 00:06:42,568 --> 00:06:43,820 Not only were there six dead, 121 00:06:43,903 --> 00:06:46,656 but they were all killed in their beds. 122 00:06:46,739 --> 00:06:48,741 And there's no evidence of a struggle, 123 00:06:48,825 --> 00:06:50,993 and everyone was sleeping peacefully. 124 00:06:51,077 --> 00:06:53,454 All found in the same position, facedown. 125 00:06:53,579 --> 00:06:56,958 And that was very unusual. 126 00:06:57,083 --> 00:06:59,127 They were found by a 23-year-old son, 127 00:06:59,252 --> 00:07:01,587 Man: Ronald DeFeo, who is believed to be 128 00:07:01,671 --> 00:07:04,132 the only surviving member of the family. 129 00:07:04,257 --> 00:07:07,510 Police investigating the case say they have no suspect, 130 00:07:07,593 --> 00:07:10,763 no weapon, and no leads. 131 00:07:10,888 --> 00:07:15,643 There was just a few of us that were gathered there. 132 00:07:15,768 --> 00:07:18,396 Suffolk County -- they had the homicide unit, 133 00:07:18,479 --> 00:07:20,481 and they had the police tape up. 134 00:07:20,606 --> 00:07:21,858 Because the police were there, 135 00:07:21,941 --> 00:07:23,776 some of the neighbors started showing up. 136 00:07:23,860 --> 00:07:25,611 And the neighbors said, "What's going on? 137 00:07:25,695 --> 00:07:26,904 What do you know?" 138 00:07:26,988 --> 00:07:28,948 Martin: There we were on Ocean Avenue, 139 00:07:29,031 --> 00:07:31,451 and there's a crowd on the other side of the street. 140 00:07:31,534 --> 00:07:34,287 The scene was -- It was surreal. 141 00:07:34,370 --> 00:07:37,915 Spero: And then the body bags started coming out. 142 00:07:37,999 --> 00:07:40,793 There were two large body bags at first, 143 00:07:40,877 --> 00:07:43,546 and then there was another one 144 00:07:43,629 --> 00:07:46,132 and another one 145 00:07:46,215 --> 00:07:48,426 and another one 146 00:07:48,509 --> 00:07:49,677 and then the final one, 147 00:07:49,802 --> 00:07:52,472 and the ones at the end -- 148 00:07:52,597 --> 00:07:55,475 they were the smaller body bags. 149 00:07:55,558 --> 00:07:57,143 And then we looked at each other, 150 00:07:57,268 --> 00:07:58,561 and we said, "Oh, my God." 151 00:07:58,644 --> 00:08:00,313 Martin: We're just watching bodies come out 152 00:08:00,438 --> 00:08:01,689 and cameras going off 153 00:08:01,814 --> 00:08:03,816 and police and officials, 154 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:05,818 and the crowd is very quiet. 155 00:08:05,902 --> 00:08:07,653 I've never seen a crowd that quiet. 156 00:08:07,737 --> 00:08:09,447 Something big had gone down. 157 00:08:09,530 --> 00:08:12,158 That was what was in the air. 158 00:08:12,283 --> 00:08:14,911 Little did we know what was going to happen. 159 00:08:14,994 --> 00:08:17,580 ♪♪ 160 00:08:17,663 --> 00:08:18,998 The DeFeos had a reputation. 161 00:08:19,081 --> 00:08:21,000 Dr. Cohen: You have a family with secrets -- 162 00:08:21,125 --> 00:08:26,088 criminal secrets, and there are also violent secrets. 163 00:08:26,172 --> 00:08:31,886 ♪♪ 164 00:08:34,430 --> 00:08:37,183 ♪♪ 165 00:08:37,266 --> 00:08:40,520 Scott: The story broke of a family of six 166 00:08:40,645 --> 00:08:43,105 slaughtered in Amityville, Long Island. 167 00:08:43,189 --> 00:08:45,858 Six members of a suburban New York family 168 00:08:45,942 --> 00:08:49,153 have been found shot to death in their beds. 169 00:08:49,237 --> 00:08:52,782 Didio: It was all over the news because Amityville -- 170 00:08:52,865 --> 00:08:57,161 they had had maybe one murder in 100 years. 171 00:08:57,245 --> 00:08:59,747 Gloria: I remember the phone rang, 172 00:08:59,872 --> 00:09:04,126 and they said, "The DeFeos are all dead. 173 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:06,128 They were all murdered." 174 00:09:06,212 --> 00:09:08,047 Killed were auto dealer Ronald DeFeo, 175 00:09:08,172 --> 00:09:10,550 his wife, and four of their children. 176 00:09:10,633 --> 00:09:13,719 They were all gone. They were all gone. 177 00:09:13,844 --> 00:09:18,224 And there's only one surviving member of the family, 178 00:09:18,349 --> 00:09:20,601 Ron Jr. 179 00:09:20,726 --> 00:09:23,312 Ron Jr. said he came home to find his family dead. 180 00:09:30,820 --> 00:09:34,532 Ronald DeFeo Sr., also known as "Big Ronnie," 181 00:09:34,615 --> 00:09:36,659 had grown up in Brooklyn, New York. 182 00:09:36,742 --> 00:09:39,287 He had been a high-school athlete back in the day 183 00:09:39,412 --> 00:09:43,082 when he caught the eye of the beautiful Louise Brigante. 184 00:09:43,207 --> 00:09:47,295 Osuna: When "Big Ronnie," Ronald DeFeo Sr., met Louise, 185 00:09:47,420 --> 00:09:50,965 it seemed like they had fallen in love pretty quick. 186 00:09:51,090 --> 00:09:54,677 And Louise's parents, the Brigantes, 187 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,887 were not a fan of Big Ronnie. 188 00:09:56,971 --> 00:10:00,266 He was crude, obnoxious, a braggart. 189 00:10:00,349 --> 00:10:03,477 They didn't really see Louise with him. 190 00:10:03,603 --> 00:10:07,106 Despite her parents' objections, Louise married Big Ronnie, 191 00:10:07,189 --> 00:10:10,443 and the two settled into a life in a Brooklyn apartment. 192 00:10:10,568 --> 00:10:13,988 Soon after, the couple welcomed a son, Ronald Jr., 193 00:10:14,113 --> 00:10:16,616 and two daughters, Dawn and Allison, 194 00:10:16,741 --> 00:10:18,826 and another son, named Marc. 195 00:10:18,951 --> 00:10:20,786 Before the birth of their last child, 196 00:10:20,911 --> 00:10:23,998 John Matthew, the family moved out to Long Island 197 00:10:24,123 --> 00:10:27,835 and their waterfront home in Amityville. 198 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,587 They had been living in Brooklyn, 199 00:10:29,670 --> 00:10:34,634 and Louise Brigante-DeFeo was the apple of her father's eye. 200 00:10:34,717 --> 00:10:36,427 He would do anything for his daughter. 201 00:10:36,510 --> 00:10:40,097 Osuna: The Brigantes loved Louise very, very much, 202 00:10:40,181 --> 00:10:44,101 and they wanted to make sure she was provided for, 203 00:10:44,185 --> 00:10:47,813 so they actually bought the house in Amityville 204 00:10:47,938 --> 00:10:49,774 for the DeFeos. 205 00:10:49,857 --> 00:10:52,318 Uruburu: For me, the house was like something 206 00:10:52,401 --> 00:10:53,778 out of a movie. 207 00:10:53,861 --> 00:10:56,656 They lived on the canal, and they had a boathouse. 208 00:10:56,739 --> 00:10:59,867 When you went in, they had these big rooms with high ceilings. 209 00:10:59,992 --> 00:11:02,828 I felt like I was going back in time. 210 00:11:02,953 --> 00:11:05,915 They were having these portraits painted of themselves 211 00:11:05,998 --> 00:11:08,334 that were going to be hung on the staircase. 212 00:11:08,417 --> 00:11:13,255 It's like this is some sort of a 19th-century Gilded Age family, 213 00:11:13,339 --> 00:11:16,550 not knowing at all what the future was gonna be. 214 00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:18,803 Gloria: The move to Amityville 215 00:11:18,886 --> 00:11:20,763 was like a new start. 216 00:11:20,846 --> 00:11:23,683 That's why they named the place High Hopes. 217 00:11:23,808 --> 00:11:26,185 This was gonna be the beginning. 218 00:11:26,310 --> 00:11:32,692 But who would kill this family, all of them, in cold blood? 219 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,946 Mellon: We have no suspect at this time. 220 00:11:37,029 --> 00:11:39,740 We have no indication of the motive at this time. 221 00:11:39,865 --> 00:11:43,494 ♪♪ 222 00:11:43,577 --> 00:11:45,371 Gloria: It was, like, unreal. 223 00:11:45,454 --> 00:11:46,914 It can't be true. 224 00:11:47,039 --> 00:11:50,000 It can't be possible that this could happen. 225 00:11:50,084 --> 00:11:53,421 They were just very sweet, very religious people, 226 00:11:53,546 --> 00:11:55,881 very family-minded people. 227 00:11:55,965 --> 00:11:58,384 Louise was a very sweet girl, 228 00:11:58,467 --> 00:12:01,887 and all our children were similar ages. 229 00:12:02,012 --> 00:12:05,975 We would take the bus and go to museums in New York 230 00:12:06,058 --> 00:12:09,979 and just hang out with the kids and the husbands. 231 00:12:10,062 --> 00:12:12,356 Louise was a typical Italian mother. 232 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,651 She cooked. She did what she had to do to take care of the house. 233 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:16,986 Ronnie was Big Ronnie. 234 00:12:17,069 --> 00:12:19,029 He was the man of the house. 235 00:12:19,113 --> 00:12:21,866 Little John Matt was 9 when he died, 236 00:12:21,949 --> 00:12:25,119 and he was just your typical 9-year-old boy -- 237 00:12:25,244 --> 00:12:26,620 just a sweet kid. 238 00:12:26,746 --> 00:12:32,084 Marc DeFeo -- he was into sports. 239 00:12:32,209 --> 00:12:35,588 Anthony: Marc and I were in the same football league. 240 00:12:35,671 --> 00:12:39,008 Our parents got close together watching the games. 241 00:12:39,091 --> 00:12:41,469 Marc and I used to play in the driveway, 242 00:12:41,594 --> 00:12:43,095 on the bicycles, and drive around 243 00:12:43,179 --> 00:12:45,556 and just have fun and spend the night there. 244 00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:47,892 There was nothing odd. 245 00:12:47,975 --> 00:12:52,021 It was just a typical family. 246 00:12:52,104 --> 00:12:57,151 I remember that the little girl, Allison, loved to do puzzles, 247 00:12:57,276 --> 00:12:59,570 and in her room, 248 00:12:59,653 --> 00:13:02,156 there was a puzzle that she had been working on. 249 00:13:02,281 --> 00:13:04,033 Berry-Dee: Allison was a sweet girl. 250 00:13:04,116 --> 00:13:07,286 People I met that knew her said she was a little angel. 251 00:13:07,411 --> 00:13:10,623 There's not a bad word came out of her mouth. 252 00:13:10,748 --> 00:13:13,959 But Dawn DeFeo -- she was more rebellious. 253 00:13:14,043 --> 00:13:16,170 Uruburu: Dawn -- she was a year older than I was. 254 00:13:16,295 --> 00:13:18,422 We first connected on CYO Softball. 255 00:13:18,506 --> 00:13:20,299 We were in the softball league together. 256 00:13:20,424 --> 00:13:23,636 She always had this nice smile. She was always friendly. 257 00:13:23,761 --> 00:13:25,054 There were other girls who, 258 00:13:25,137 --> 00:13:27,097 because they were older than you by a year, 259 00:13:27,181 --> 00:13:28,641 they didn't really want to associate with you, 260 00:13:28,766 --> 00:13:30,476 but she was never like that. 261 00:13:30,601 --> 00:13:32,478 We were just 13-, 14-year-olds 262 00:13:32,561 --> 00:13:35,731 having slumber parties and pool parties. 263 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:38,734 There was nothing out of the norm. 264 00:13:38,818 --> 00:13:41,028 Didio: Against this wonderful setting, 265 00:13:41,153 --> 00:13:44,782 you've got six bodies in body bags. 266 00:13:44,865 --> 00:13:46,325 It was unthinkable. 267 00:13:46,450 --> 00:13:50,246 And we said, "Well, there must be a gunman or gunmen." 268 00:13:50,329 --> 00:13:53,332 Women, men, young, old -- who knows? 269 00:13:53,457 --> 00:13:54,792 We had no clue. 270 00:13:54,875 --> 00:13:56,502 Jordan: Authorities were baffled 271 00:13:56,585 --> 00:14:00,798 at who would want this picture-perfect family killed, 272 00:14:00,881 --> 00:14:02,466 but they were learning that appearances 273 00:14:02,550 --> 00:14:04,385 can be very deceiving. 274 00:14:04,510 --> 00:14:06,345 Dr. Cohen: On the face of it, this is a family 275 00:14:06,428 --> 00:14:09,390 that is very good at keeping up appearances, 276 00:14:09,515 --> 00:14:12,226 and they were living in bucolic Amityville. 277 00:14:12,351 --> 00:14:16,063 But this is a family with secrets. 278 00:14:16,188 --> 00:14:17,481 People we talk to seem to feel 279 00:14:17,565 --> 00:14:19,692 that whatever was the motive for this crime, 280 00:14:19,817 --> 00:14:21,235 it had something to do with the family. 281 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,906 The one surviving member of the family, Ronnie DeFeo Jr., 282 00:14:26,031 --> 00:14:29,118 says that his father had enemies. 283 00:14:31,537 --> 00:14:33,122 Osuna: I remember the neighbors telling me 284 00:14:33,205 --> 00:14:37,710 that Big Ronnie would boast how he had a gun, 285 00:14:37,793 --> 00:14:39,545 how he had connections. 286 00:14:39,670 --> 00:14:41,046 Uruburu: I mean, there was rumors 287 00:14:41,171 --> 00:14:43,132 that he was in the Mafia -- like, that was a thing -- 288 00:14:43,215 --> 00:14:44,925 and because he had a lot of money 289 00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:47,386 and he had big cars and things. 290 00:14:47,511 --> 00:14:51,932 Big Ronnie DeFeo -- he was a strange guy. 291 00:14:52,057 --> 00:14:54,059 Osuna: At one point, he thought he had ESP. 292 00:14:54,143 --> 00:14:56,729 He would wake family up in the middle of the night, 293 00:14:56,854 --> 00:14:59,231 family who lived by the water, saying, "You have to evacuate. 294 00:14:59,356 --> 00:15:02,067 There's a tsunami coming. I feel it." 295 00:15:02,151 --> 00:15:04,361 He really had delusions. 296 00:15:04,445 --> 00:15:09,742 Gloria: And all of a sudden, religion came into his life. 297 00:15:09,867 --> 00:15:11,785 He got this revelation. 298 00:15:11,911 --> 00:15:17,041 He was one with St. Joseph, and he was a changed man. 299 00:15:17,124 --> 00:15:18,417 Osuna: In front of the house, 300 00:15:18,542 --> 00:15:22,379 there are a lot of Catholic statues. 301 00:15:22,463 --> 00:15:25,341 There is a St. Joseph holding a Baby Jesus, 302 00:15:25,424 --> 00:15:28,177 and Big Ronnie would come out, 303 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:32,890 and he would pray in front of that statue in his underwear. 304 00:15:32,973 --> 00:15:35,309 He was strange. He told us one time 305 00:15:35,434 --> 00:15:37,937 that he was at the crucifixion, 306 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:39,396 and what could we say? 307 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,107 "Ha ha! If you were there, you were there." 308 00:15:42,232 --> 00:15:43,859 He was a big presence. 309 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:45,402 You know, he had a big personality, 310 00:15:45,486 --> 00:15:47,279 and you were a little afraid of him. 311 00:15:47,363 --> 00:15:50,074 He was a little scary 'cause his voice was a little loud. 312 00:15:50,157 --> 00:15:52,576 And Big Ronnie's behavior was more than just odd 313 00:15:52,660 --> 00:15:53,827 and off-putting. 314 00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:55,996 It was reported that he was abusive 315 00:15:56,121 --> 00:15:57,748 to his wife and children. 316 00:15:57,831 --> 00:15:59,416 The DeFeos had a reputation. 317 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:01,460 Martin: The problem is that they don't get along sometimes. 318 00:16:01,585 --> 00:16:04,463 There's dissension and there's conflict 319 00:16:04,546 --> 00:16:06,799 within the DeFeo family. 320 00:16:06,882 --> 00:16:11,720 Dr. Cohen: It was a very chaotic, tumultuous household. 321 00:16:11,804 --> 00:16:14,640 Berry-Dee: Mr. DeFeo Sr. was jealous about his wife. 322 00:16:14,723 --> 00:16:17,226 He thought she was having an affair with the man 323 00:16:17,309 --> 00:16:19,228 who painted the family portraits. 324 00:16:19,311 --> 00:16:24,692 He kind of wanted to be in control of Louise. 325 00:16:24,817 --> 00:16:30,155 He wanted everyone just listen to him and do what he says. 326 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,324 There was a history of violence there. 327 00:16:32,408 --> 00:16:34,702 Big Ronnie had a horrible sickness, 328 00:16:34,827 --> 00:16:37,871 and it got worse and worse. 329 00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:40,749 Springer: The old man used to beat her. 330 00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:42,584 She's wearing sunglasses this big, 331 00:16:42,668 --> 00:16:45,170 and you could see, you know, bruises 332 00:16:45,295 --> 00:16:47,339 on her arms and legs. 333 00:16:47,464 --> 00:16:50,676 Big Ronnie Sr. -- he was chauvinistic. 334 00:16:50,759 --> 00:16:52,720 He had a temper. 335 00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:54,513 And there are stories about 336 00:16:54,638 --> 00:16:56,807 how Louise was coming up from the basement 337 00:16:56,890 --> 00:17:01,395 and she was carrying a wash basket full of clothes. 338 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,231 Aronson: And he punched her right in the mouth, 339 00:17:04,356 --> 00:17:07,776 and she tumbled down the stairs, 340 00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:10,738 and he closed the door and said, 341 00:17:10,863 --> 00:17:12,406 "Well, she's not gonna bother us 342 00:17:12,531 --> 00:17:15,284 and we're not gonna have any more noise now." 343 00:17:15,367 --> 00:17:19,580 And they sat down and finished dinner. 344 00:17:19,705 --> 00:17:24,168 Dawn DeFeo had a problem, specifically with her father. 345 00:17:24,251 --> 00:17:25,669 Osuna: Her relationship with her parents 346 00:17:25,753 --> 00:17:29,423 towards the end of her life was very tumultuous. 347 00:17:29,548 --> 00:17:32,009 Berry-Dee: She wanted to elope with some guy, 348 00:17:32,092 --> 00:17:33,427 and this caused friction 349 00:17:33,552 --> 00:17:36,889 because her parents didn't want her to leave. 350 00:17:37,014 --> 00:17:38,432 DeFeo: My sister wanted to be free, 351 00:17:38,557 --> 00:17:42,561 and you couldn't be free and be a DeFeo. 352 00:17:42,686 --> 00:17:44,730 None of us -- we were all like a dog on a leash, 353 00:17:44,855 --> 00:17:47,858 everybody in that house. Nobody could be free. 354 00:17:47,941 --> 00:17:51,653 The place was a powder keg waiting to explode. 355 00:17:51,737 --> 00:17:54,198 Something was bound to happen in that house. 356 00:17:54,281 --> 00:17:57,409 If it wasn't for his anger, hate, and violence, 357 00:17:57,493 --> 00:18:00,704 the DeFeos would still be alive. 358 00:18:00,788 --> 00:18:06,460 ♪♪ 359 00:18:08,670 --> 00:18:11,632 ♪♪ 360 00:18:11,757 --> 00:18:13,801 Jordan: Authorities swarmed the quiet community 361 00:18:13,926 --> 00:18:15,344 of Amityville, New York, 362 00:18:15,427 --> 00:18:17,763 after the bodies of six members of the DeFeo family 363 00:18:17,846 --> 00:18:24,228 were found by the sole survivor, the eldest son, Ronnie DeFeo Jr. 364 00:18:24,311 --> 00:18:26,313 Giambra: It was 1974, 365 00:18:26,438 --> 00:18:31,068 and Amityville was a nice, quaint little village 366 00:18:31,151 --> 00:18:33,320 and was all over the news 367 00:18:33,445 --> 00:18:36,281 that these six people had been murdered. 368 00:18:36,406 --> 00:18:38,325 Martin: Ronnie DeFeo Jr. -- 369 00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:40,452 two brothers, two sisters of his, 370 00:18:40,536 --> 00:18:43,330 mother, and father all gone. 371 00:18:43,455 --> 00:18:45,624 DeFeo: I knew something bad was gonna happen 372 00:18:45,749 --> 00:18:47,000 to my mother and father. 373 00:18:47,126 --> 00:18:48,460 I didn't know when it was going to happen, 374 00:18:48,585 --> 00:18:49,920 I didn't know who was gonna do it, 375 00:18:50,003 --> 00:18:55,134 but I can say that I knew something was coming. 376 00:18:55,217 --> 00:18:57,427 Scott: When the murders were uncovered, 377 00:18:57,511 --> 00:18:59,680 Ron was pulled in and questioned, 378 00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:04,143 and he said that this was a mob hit. 379 00:19:04,226 --> 00:19:06,937 Genis: At first, Ronnie blamed the Mafia. 380 00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:10,149 He said, "Yeah, you know, my dad was in the mob, 381 00:19:10,232 --> 00:19:13,527 and they rubbed out the whole family." 382 00:19:13,652 --> 00:19:15,863 Osuna: Folks in Amityville knew 383 00:19:15,988 --> 00:19:17,990 Ronald DeFeo Sr.'s family -- 384 00:19:18,115 --> 00:19:19,950 they were connected to the mob. 385 00:19:20,033 --> 00:19:26,206 My father was involved with big, big people in organized crime. 386 00:19:26,331 --> 00:19:29,168 One of the people is Peter DeFeo, my uncle. 387 00:19:29,251 --> 00:19:31,753 ♪♪ 388 00:19:31,837 --> 00:19:35,757 Didio: One of Ronnie's uncles, Pete DeFeo, 389 00:19:35,841 --> 00:19:38,010 was reputed to be a member 390 00:19:38,093 --> 00:19:40,345 of the Genovese crime family, 391 00:19:40,429 --> 00:19:44,308 and, again, putting this in the context of the times, 392 00:19:44,391 --> 00:19:46,935 back in the mid-'70s, 393 00:19:47,019 --> 00:19:49,062 early '80s in New York, 394 00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:52,274 you had a lot of mob hits going on. 395 00:19:52,357 --> 00:19:54,693 And there was speculation that Louise's family, 396 00:19:54,776 --> 00:19:58,530 the Brigantes, also had ties to the Mafia. 397 00:19:58,655 --> 00:20:00,032 Martin: This is the rumor, 398 00:20:00,157 --> 00:20:01,700 and these rumors keep swirling around 399 00:20:01,825 --> 00:20:04,536 that Ronnie's grandfather, Mr. Brigante, 400 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:07,581 was somehow tied to the mob. 401 00:20:07,706 --> 00:20:09,917 Osuna: Michael Brigante Sr. 402 00:20:10,042 --> 00:20:12,294 was connected to organized crime. 403 00:20:12,377 --> 00:20:14,880 He owned a Buick car dealership. 404 00:20:15,005 --> 00:20:17,382 They did dirty work for the mob. 405 00:20:17,507 --> 00:20:20,219 Brigante Sr. employed his son-in-law, 406 00:20:20,344 --> 00:20:22,179 Ronald Sr. 407 00:20:22,262 --> 00:20:25,724 My father works for Mike Brigante Sr., 408 00:20:25,849 --> 00:20:29,519 who is my grandfather, my mother's father. 409 00:20:29,603 --> 00:20:33,190 He owned a Buick agency, a Buick dealership. 410 00:20:33,273 --> 00:20:39,404 My father was the boss of the service end of the dealership. 411 00:20:39,488 --> 00:20:41,865 It was a legitimate business. 412 00:20:41,949 --> 00:20:44,493 They didn't do anything wrong in the Buick dealership. 413 00:20:44,576 --> 00:20:46,578 They took it outside. 414 00:20:46,662 --> 00:20:48,038 Ronald Sr. 415 00:20:48,121 --> 00:20:51,458 Was in charge of the ledgers for the dealership, 416 00:20:51,583 --> 00:20:53,752 and we're talking the unofficial accounts, 417 00:20:53,877 --> 00:20:57,756 where it showed all the monies, all the transactions, 418 00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:00,217 all the dirty hands, and so forth. 419 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:02,761 He would often take those books home 420 00:21:02,886 --> 00:21:06,932 and cook them up for the dealership. 421 00:21:07,057 --> 00:21:09,601 Butch worked there, as well. 422 00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:13,355 Dr. Cohen: And DeFeo would do work for the mob, 423 00:21:13,438 --> 00:21:15,440 delivering money and delivering packages 424 00:21:15,524 --> 00:21:16,733 and things like that. 425 00:21:16,817 --> 00:21:19,278 DeFeo: I did whatever I had to do. 426 00:21:19,361 --> 00:21:21,321 Whatever they told me to do, I did. 427 00:21:21,446 --> 00:21:25,784 And I was paid money for doing it. 428 00:21:25,867 --> 00:21:28,495 Didio: There had been some secret tape recordings -- 429 00:21:28,620 --> 00:21:30,914 you know, authorized wire taps -- 430 00:21:30,998 --> 00:21:32,332 by the RICO squad -- 431 00:21:32,457 --> 00:21:34,293 the racket boys, if you will -- 432 00:21:34,418 --> 00:21:38,422 that involved the Brigante Buick dealership. 433 00:21:38,505 --> 00:21:40,966 Ronnie Jr. was the subject 434 00:21:41,091 --> 00:21:42,426 of many of those conversations 435 00:21:42,509 --> 00:21:45,637 between Michael Brigante Sr., his grandfather, 436 00:21:45,762 --> 00:21:49,391 and his friends, associates, et cetera, 437 00:21:49,474 --> 00:21:51,560 who talked about, very openly, 438 00:21:51,643 --> 00:21:55,605 "Oh, my God, that kid," meaning Ronnie, 439 00:21:55,689 --> 00:21:58,358 "he could hang us all with what he knows." 440 00:21:58,483 --> 00:22:01,153 ♪♪ 441 00:22:01,278 --> 00:22:03,613 There was also talk at the time 442 00:22:03,697 --> 00:22:06,450 that Ronald DeFeo Sr. 443 00:22:06,533 --> 00:22:09,036 had also been skimming some money off the side 444 00:22:09,161 --> 00:22:11,455 from the Buick dealership. 445 00:22:11,538 --> 00:22:15,000 Osuna: Ronald Sr. embezzled money from the mob. 446 00:22:15,083 --> 00:22:17,669 At the time of the murders, in November of '74, 447 00:22:17,753 --> 00:22:20,464 things were really going bad for Big Ronnie. 448 00:22:20,547 --> 00:22:23,091 Brigante was thinking very heavily 449 00:22:23,175 --> 00:22:24,843 of closing the dealership, 450 00:22:24,926 --> 00:22:28,972 so that meant Big Ronnie had to do one big score. 451 00:22:29,056 --> 00:22:30,849 He was trying to work with Butch 452 00:22:30,974 --> 00:22:34,061 on embezzling as much money as possible. 453 00:22:34,186 --> 00:22:36,021 Didio: Several weeks before the murders, 454 00:22:36,104 --> 00:22:39,358 $20,000 bank deposit that Ronnie Jr. 455 00:22:39,441 --> 00:22:43,487 and one of the other employees were supposed to be making 456 00:22:43,570 --> 00:22:46,365 had suddenly disappeared. 457 00:22:46,448 --> 00:22:48,367 Osuna: That would be a death sentence. 458 00:22:48,450 --> 00:22:49,993 ♪♪ 459 00:22:50,077 --> 00:22:53,538 Police immediately put Ron DeFeo in protective custody, 460 00:22:53,663 --> 00:22:55,040 fearful if they got the whole family, 461 00:22:55,123 --> 00:22:57,042 they would get him, as well. 462 00:22:57,125 --> 00:22:59,753 They didn't really know if this was a mob hit or not, 463 00:22:59,878 --> 00:23:01,880 and they weren't taking a chance. 464 00:23:01,963 --> 00:23:03,298 ♪♪ 465 00:23:03,382 --> 00:23:06,301 Man: Today police combed the DeFeos' handsome 3-story house 466 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:07,552 for clues. 467 00:23:07,636 --> 00:23:09,763 Osuna: The rifle used in the murders -- 468 00:23:09,888 --> 00:23:12,432 it is so deafening. [ Gunshot ] 469 00:23:12,557 --> 00:23:14,726 Why didn't somebody wake up? [ Gunshot ] 470 00:23:14,851 --> 00:23:16,895 Which is another big mystery here. 471 00:23:17,020 --> 00:23:22,943 ♪♪ 472 00:23:24,986 --> 00:23:29,950 ♪♪ 473 00:23:30,075 --> 00:23:33,328 Welcome back to "Very Scary People". 474 00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:36,665 The mystery about who committed the execution-style murders 475 00:23:36,748 --> 00:23:38,083 of the DeFeo family -- 476 00:23:38,208 --> 00:23:40,752 mother, father, and four of their children -- 477 00:23:40,877 --> 00:23:43,547 consumed the town of Amityville. 478 00:23:43,630 --> 00:23:45,674 Was it a robbery gone wrong? 479 00:23:45,757 --> 00:23:47,509 Could it have been a mob hit 480 00:23:47,592 --> 00:23:51,430 or a family vendetta? 481 00:23:51,513 --> 00:23:53,515 ♪♪ 482 00:23:53,598 --> 00:23:55,934 [ Gunshot ] 483 00:23:56,059 --> 00:23:57,519 [ Gunshot ] 484 00:23:57,602 --> 00:23:59,187 [ Gunshot ] 485 00:23:59,271 --> 00:24:01,815 Man: They were shots that left six members of one family dead 486 00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:04,651 in this charming Dutch colonial home. 487 00:24:04,776 --> 00:24:09,573 And there's only one surviving member of the family. 488 00:24:09,656 --> 00:24:13,410 Osuna: Ronald DeFeo Jr. -- his nickname was "Butch," 489 00:24:13,493 --> 00:24:16,496 and he was the oldest. 490 00:24:16,621 --> 00:24:18,206 He was the firstborn. 491 00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:20,625 He loved his mother very much, 492 00:24:20,709 --> 00:24:23,712 and Louise -- from everything I've learned, 493 00:24:23,795 --> 00:24:25,839 Butch was her pride and joy. 494 00:24:25,964 --> 00:24:29,759 Symons: Ronnie was quiet, never said a whole lot. 495 00:24:29,843 --> 00:24:34,473 He gave you the sense that he was a tough guy, 496 00:24:34,556 --> 00:24:37,476 but never threatening, never violent. 497 00:24:37,601 --> 00:24:39,644 Osuna: The police took Ronnie Jr. 498 00:24:39,728 --> 00:24:41,146 into protective custody 499 00:24:41,229 --> 00:24:44,191 and took him to the police headquarters 500 00:24:44,316 --> 00:24:46,902 to provide his statement. 501 00:24:46,985 --> 00:24:48,987 Man: Police have been questioning the son, Ronald, 502 00:24:49,112 --> 00:24:52,616 and now say he is being "safeguarded." 503 00:24:52,699 --> 00:24:55,994 DeFeo: I was scared! 504 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,455 My whole family is dead! 505 00:24:58,538 --> 00:25:00,165 Turner: I remember talking to a cop, 506 00:25:00,248 --> 00:25:03,251 and he told me that there was some speculation 507 00:25:03,335 --> 00:25:05,295 that it was a mob hit. 508 00:25:05,378 --> 00:25:06,838 Didio: Ronald DeFeo Jr. 509 00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:10,342 was claiming that somebody was out to get the family. 510 00:25:10,425 --> 00:25:14,179 There was talk of these killers coming from Brooklyn. 511 00:25:14,304 --> 00:25:17,974 ♪♪ 512 00:25:18,058 --> 00:25:22,270 But I immediately thought, "No, they wouldn't kill the kids." 513 00:25:22,354 --> 00:25:25,565 Osuna: Organized crime did not condone the execution 514 00:25:25,690 --> 00:25:27,234 of small children, 515 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,112 so that would've been a cardinal sin for them. 516 00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:32,697 And there would be plenty of ways, 517 00:25:32,781 --> 00:25:34,658 if they wanted to send a message, 518 00:25:34,741 --> 00:25:38,370 to do that without killing those kids. 519 00:25:38,495 --> 00:25:40,539 No. It doesn't stack up. 520 00:25:40,664 --> 00:25:45,919 ♪♪ 521 00:25:46,044 --> 00:25:49,047 Osuna: Police had continued on their investigation. 522 00:25:49,172 --> 00:25:51,800 Man: Today police combed the DeFeos' handsome 3-story house 523 00:25:51,883 --> 00:25:54,803 for clues while divers explored the backyard swimming pool 524 00:25:54,886 --> 00:25:57,931 for the still unfound murder weapon. 525 00:25:58,056 --> 00:26:00,058 Jordan: The day after the bodies were discovered, 526 00:26:00,141 --> 00:26:03,228 the police were looking for anything and everything 527 00:26:03,311 --> 00:26:05,480 that could point them in the right direction 528 00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:08,900 for the suspect and the motive. 529 00:26:08,984 --> 00:26:10,527 Dr. Cohen: The first thing you're gonna do 530 00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:12,195 is look at the crime scene 531 00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:17,325 and try to understand what occurred in the house 532 00:26:17,409 --> 00:26:22,831 and what may have been the psychology of the perpetrator. 533 00:26:22,914 --> 00:26:25,917 You have an entire family that was killed. 534 00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:28,920 All the victims were found in bed. 535 00:26:29,004 --> 00:26:32,674 And there's no evidence of a struggle. 536 00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:35,594 Turner: The nature of the shootings 537 00:26:35,719 --> 00:26:39,014 was shooting in the back in bed. 538 00:26:39,097 --> 00:26:40,849 [ Gunshots ] 539 00:26:40,932 --> 00:26:45,478 It had to be somebody who knew the house really well, 540 00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:48,273 'cause they were on different floors, 541 00:26:48,356 --> 00:26:50,734 in different rooms. 542 00:26:50,817 --> 00:26:53,820 Dr. Cohen: Typically, if there's a home invasion, 543 00:26:53,945 --> 00:26:57,449 there is some alarm raised in the house. 544 00:26:57,574 --> 00:26:58,950 I think that that -- 545 00:26:59,075 --> 00:27:00,493 The fact that they were all in their beds 546 00:27:00,619 --> 00:27:02,120 does raise the question 547 00:27:02,245 --> 00:27:05,582 of whether it really was somebody who was known to them. 548 00:27:05,665 --> 00:27:07,626 [ Gunshot ] 549 00:27:07,709 --> 00:27:09,586 Jordan: The medical examiner determined 550 00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:11,171 that all six victims had been killed 551 00:27:11,296 --> 00:27:14,299 in the early morning hours of November 13th. 552 00:27:14,382 --> 00:27:15,634 The time of death -- 553 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:19,471 16 to 18 hours before they were discovered. 554 00:27:19,596 --> 00:27:22,307 Didio: At the time of the murder, 555 00:27:22,390 --> 00:27:25,685 somewhere between 3:00 a.m. 556 00:27:25,810 --> 00:27:27,479 3:15, 3:30... 557 00:27:27,604 --> 00:27:30,023 [ Dog howling ] 558 00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:32,651 ...the family's sheepdog was howling. 559 00:27:32,734 --> 00:27:34,152 [ Howling continues ] 560 00:27:34,277 --> 00:27:38,323 The teenage boy two doors away told investigators 561 00:27:38,448 --> 00:27:41,493 he heard the dog howling, 562 00:27:41,576 --> 00:27:43,495 which he thought was a little odd. 563 00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:46,498 [ Howling continues ] 564 00:27:46,581 --> 00:27:50,585 And the cause of death was gunshot wounds from a rifle. 565 00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:52,671 According to the coroner, 566 00:27:52,796 --> 00:27:55,215 it was a very high-powered, 567 00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:58,635 .35-caliber Marlin rifle. 568 00:27:58,718 --> 00:28:00,470 It was a cowboy gun. [ Gunshot ] 569 00:28:00,553 --> 00:28:02,180 It is so deafening. 570 00:28:02,263 --> 00:28:04,265 Turner: I remember thinking, "Geez. 571 00:28:04,349 --> 00:28:07,060 Somebody had to walk around the house shooting people. 572 00:28:07,185 --> 00:28:09,187 Why didn't somebody wake up?" 573 00:28:09,312 --> 00:28:10,355 [ Gunshot ] 574 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,816 There were questions about whether the victims 575 00:28:12,899 --> 00:28:17,570 had been drugged before they went to sleep. 576 00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:19,280 Didio: But according to the coroner 577 00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:21,408 and the autopsy reports, they were not drugged... 578 00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:22,701 [ Gunshot ] 579 00:28:22,784 --> 00:28:25,537 ...which is another big mystery here. 580 00:28:25,662 --> 00:28:29,124 Why didn't anybody hear anything? 581 00:28:29,207 --> 00:28:32,210 ♪♪ 582 00:28:32,335 --> 00:28:34,671 Scott: More intense questioning of Ron DeFeo. 583 00:28:34,754 --> 00:28:37,549 DeFeo: Somebody else was in the house, ran out of the house. 584 00:28:37,674 --> 00:28:41,344 It turns out that one person did hear the gunshots. 585 00:28:41,428 --> 00:28:47,267 ♪♪ 586 00:28:49,894 --> 00:28:52,230 [ Siren wailing, police radio chatter ] 587 00:28:52,355 --> 00:28:54,357 ♪♪ 588 00:28:54,441 --> 00:28:55,608 Uruburu: It was terrible. 589 00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:59,237 Six people were shot dead in their bed. 590 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,031 ♪♪ 591 00:29:02,115 --> 00:29:06,327 On the night of November 13, 1974, 592 00:29:06,411 --> 00:29:10,373 all the bodies were found shot, all at point-blank range. 593 00:29:10,457 --> 00:29:13,168 None of the family members was awakened 594 00:29:13,251 --> 00:29:16,880 by the explosive burst of gunfire throughout the house. 595 00:29:16,963 --> 00:29:19,716 Autopsies show that they had not been drugged. 596 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:24,262 Why didn't anyone hear a gunshot? 597 00:29:24,387 --> 00:29:25,722 [ Gunshot ] 598 00:29:25,805 --> 00:29:28,892 ♪♪ 599 00:29:28,975 --> 00:29:30,852 Jordan: But it turns out that one person 600 00:29:30,935 --> 00:29:32,604 did hear the gunshots. 601 00:29:32,729 --> 00:29:35,440 Ronnie DeFeo Jr. now tells the police 602 00:29:35,565 --> 00:29:37,609 that he was there at the house 603 00:29:37,734 --> 00:29:39,986 when his family was killed. 604 00:29:40,111 --> 00:29:42,447 Didio: So, Ronnie had been drinking that night. 605 00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:45,366 He was watching TV down in the basement. 606 00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:47,494 He had been taking drugs. 607 00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:49,037 Scott: He told the police 608 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,080 that people broke into the house. 609 00:29:51,164 --> 00:29:55,668 He was in the basement, and he heard muffled sounds. 610 00:29:55,794 --> 00:29:57,128 DeFeo: Didn't sound like a gunshot. 611 00:29:57,212 --> 00:30:00,465 Sounded like a backfire on a car, but muffled. 612 00:30:00,590 --> 00:30:03,510 Somebody else was in the house, ran out of the house, 613 00:30:03,635 --> 00:30:06,763 but I couldn't catch him when he ran out the front door. 614 00:30:06,846 --> 00:30:08,807 ♪♪ 615 00:30:08,890 --> 00:30:10,391 Dr. Cohen: When you're talking to someone 616 00:30:10,475 --> 00:30:15,188 who has a very unstable account of what happened, 617 00:30:15,313 --> 00:30:17,524 you want to go back again and again 618 00:30:17,649 --> 00:30:20,401 to try and see how he's going to respond, 619 00:30:20,485 --> 00:30:22,987 what his explanations are going to be, 620 00:30:23,112 --> 00:30:27,867 and to also focus in on the discrepancies. 621 00:30:27,992 --> 00:30:30,203 Scott: More intense questioning of Ron DeFeo, 622 00:30:30,328 --> 00:30:36,084 and then another story that someone came into the house, 623 00:30:36,167 --> 00:30:37,961 they pulled him along with them, 624 00:30:38,044 --> 00:30:40,338 and they shot everyone while he was present. 625 00:30:40,463 --> 00:30:41,631 [ Gunshot ] 626 00:30:41,714 --> 00:30:45,260 DeFeo: I knew then I was set up. 627 00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:48,638 I was gonna be the scapegoat for everybody. 628 00:30:48,721 --> 00:30:50,223 Ronnie DeFeo Jr. 629 00:30:50,348 --> 00:30:53,226 was not the most stable of individuals. 630 00:30:53,351 --> 00:30:54,602 Uruburu: There was something odd about him. 631 00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:56,729 He wasn't the warm, friendly older brother 632 00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:59,107 who comes over and asks if you need help or anything. 633 00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:03,236 He just was this loner, and not in a healthy way. 634 00:31:03,361 --> 00:31:07,073 He quit school and didn't really work. 635 00:31:07,198 --> 00:31:11,911 He drank a lot, hung out in the neighborhood bar. 636 00:31:12,036 --> 00:31:17,458 Didio: He was known as sort of a troublemaker around the town. 637 00:31:17,542 --> 00:31:19,919 He borrowed money from people, didn't pay it back, 638 00:31:20,044 --> 00:31:21,337 and bullied people. 639 00:31:21,421 --> 00:31:23,464 He was a heavy substance abuser 640 00:31:23,548 --> 00:31:25,675 starting from the age of 15 or 16. 641 00:31:25,758 --> 00:31:27,385 DeFeo: Every day, I would get high. I used heroin. 642 00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:29,137 I was using a lot of heroin back then. 643 00:31:29,220 --> 00:31:31,764 I was drinking, too, excessively -- 644 00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:33,391 scotch on the rocks. 645 00:31:33,516 --> 00:31:36,728 Scott: His parents -- they took him to a psychiatrist 646 00:31:36,811 --> 00:31:38,646 in hopes of calming him down. 647 00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:40,064 That didn't work. 648 00:31:40,148 --> 00:31:42,817 So his parents lavished him with gifts. 649 00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:44,903 Didio: They did not spare the rod, 650 00:31:44,986 --> 00:31:47,947 but they continued to spoil the child. 651 00:31:48,072 --> 00:31:52,327 He had access to an allowance of several hundred dollars a week. 652 00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:53,995 Aronson: Ronnie would walk around 653 00:31:54,078 --> 00:31:57,248 with a couple thousand dollars in his pocket. 654 00:31:57,373 --> 00:32:00,752 Scott: They bought him a $14,000 speedboat. 655 00:32:00,877 --> 00:32:03,046 But that didn't settle Ron. 656 00:32:03,129 --> 00:32:06,174 He was an angry young man. 657 00:32:06,257 --> 00:32:09,260 He also had a stockpile 658 00:32:09,344 --> 00:32:12,972 of several weapons in the house. 659 00:32:13,097 --> 00:32:15,099 ♪♪ 660 00:32:15,224 --> 00:32:17,769 Aronson: They have Ronnie in custody 661 00:32:17,852 --> 00:32:20,104 just to talk about the murder, 662 00:32:20,188 --> 00:32:23,024 and, very soon, they begin to wonder. 663 00:32:23,107 --> 00:32:28,112 He threw out a lot of wild theories. 664 00:32:28,237 --> 00:32:31,991 Dr. Cohen: He makes some unconvincing excuses, 665 00:32:32,116 --> 00:32:34,285 but what is very significant 666 00:32:34,369 --> 00:32:38,414 is he seems to be justifying the death of his family. 667 00:32:38,498 --> 00:32:42,627 That does raise a lot of red flags. 668 00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:46,089 He said that he discovered his mother had had an affair 669 00:32:46,172 --> 00:32:49,217 and that he despised her for that. 670 00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:52,303 He also told the police that his father 671 00:32:52,428 --> 00:32:55,306 was making him work too hard. 672 00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:57,684 He complained that his brothers 673 00:32:57,809 --> 00:32:59,560 were little pigs in the bathroom. 674 00:32:59,644 --> 00:33:03,106 Aronson: They say, "What do you think about your sister Dawn?" 675 00:33:03,189 --> 00:33:07,193 "Dawn, that F'ing bitch" -- 676 00:33:07,318 --> 00:33:10,029 that's how he described her. 677 00:33:10,154 --> 00:33:12,907 That's very striking for somebody to say that 678 00:33:12,991 --> 00:33:15,451 when their family has just been murdered. 679 00:33:15,535 --> 00:33:18,621 ♪♪ 680 00:33:18,705 --> 00:33:22,542 Gloria: Louise used to tell me that Butchy was bad, 681 00:33:22,667 --> 00:33:25,003 but I didn't know what she meant. 682 00:33:25,086 --> 00:33:28,172 But she said, "No, Butchy is bad." 683 00:33:28,256 --> 00:33:31,801 I think he had more troubles than we thought, 684 00:33:31,884 --> 00:33:33,011 than they thought. 685 00:33:33,136 --> 00:33:37,849 ♪♪ 686 00:33:37,974 --> 00:33:43,563 ♪♪ 687 00:33:46,232 --> 00:33:49,986 Symons: I first heard about this case, 688 00:33:50,069 --> 00:33:51,654 about Ronnie DeFeo, 689 00:33:51,738 --> 00:33:55,283 on the 11:00 news -- 690 00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:58,453 that his family had been murdered 691 00:33:58,536 --> 00:34:02,373 and that Ronnie was being held in protective custody. 692 00:34:02,457 --> 00:34:04,959 What about Ronald DeFeo, the son, the surviving son? 693 00:34:05,043 --> 00:34:06,544 Ronald is being safeguarded 694 00:34:06,669 --> 00:34:09,047 by the Suffolk County Police at this time. 695 00:34:09,172 --> 00:34:10,715 Man: Investigators say, without explanation, 696 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,092 that they now feel young DeFeo was in the house 697 00:34:13,217 --> 00:34:14,552 at the time of the murders, 698 00:34:14,635 --> 00:34:16,888 but they're not yet considering him a suspect. 699 00:34:16,971 --> 00:34:21,768 It came to my mind that he has to be a person of interest. 700 00:34:21,893 --> 00:34:24,479 ♪♪ 701 00:34:24,562 --> 00:34:26,981 Dr. Cohen: Talking about the death of his family, 702 00:34:27,065 --> 00:34:29,567 there is such a lack of emotion, 703 00:34:29,650 --> 00:34:32,987 and he also is so preoccupied with the justification 704 00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:34,238 for the killings. 705 00:34:34,363 --> 00:34:36,115 He describes the father as abusive, 706 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:38,701 he describes the mother as checked out. 707 00:34:38,785 --> 00:34:42,371 Dawn -- he talks about her with clear hostility. 708 00:34:42,455 --> 00:34:44,582 Allison, Marc, and John -- 709 00:34:44,707 --> 00:34:47,919 when he talks about them, it's very superficial. 710 00:34:48,044 --> 00:34:51,005 There's very little sadness about their deaths, 711 00:34:51,089 --> 00:34:53,883 which is what you usually hear when someone talks about someone 712 00:34:53,966 --> 00:34:57,136 that they have real love for and that they're grieving for, 713 00:34:57,261 --> 00:35:02,058 which, to me, makes it certainly within the realm of possibility 714 00:35:02,141 --> 00:35:05,228 that he killed them. 715 00:35:05,311 --> 00:35:07,313 Jordan: While searching the DeFeo home, 716 00:35:07,438 --> 00:35:11,609 police find a box for a Marlin .35-caliber rifle, 717 00:35:11,692 --> 00:35:14,278 along with boxes of Remington shells, 718 00:35:14,362 --> 00:35:18,116 all of which belong to Ronnie DeFeo Jr. 719 00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,577 And within the first 48 hours, 720 00:35:21,661 --> 00:35:24,622 the focus had quickly shifted to him 721 00:35:24,747 --> 00:35:26,374 as the chief suspect. 722 00:35:26,457 --> 00:35:28,334 Osuna: They read him his Miranda rights, 723 00:35:28,459 --> 00:35:31,129 and they officially told him that he was the suspect 724 00:35:31,254 --> 00:35:32,755 of his family's murder. 725 00:35:32,839 --> 00:35:35,800 ♪♪ 726 00:35:35,883 --> 00:35:39,345 Now a suspect, police switch from interviewing Ronnie Jr. 727 00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:41,347 to interrogating him. 728 00:35:45,393 --> 00:35:47,395 Aronson: And different police talk to him, 729 00:35:47,478 --> 00:35:52,316 and the head of homicide, Robert Dunn, is the first one, 730 00:35:52,441 --> 00:35:55,695 and then Dennis Rafferty. 731 00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:58,531 He was the detective who was an expert 732 00:35:58,656 --> 00:36:03,411 at extracting confessions from people. 733 00:36:03,494 --> 00:36:06,706 I just tried to warm up to him, really, to, uh -- 734 00:36:06,831 --> 00:36:09,667 talk to him, try to make him comfortable, 735 00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:12,670 and proceeded to interrogate him. 736 00:36:12,795 --> 00:36:15,173 Osuna: Several detectives took a turn on Butch, 737 00:36:15,298 --> 00:36:17,425 and, finally, the key detectives 738 00:36:17,508 --> 00:36:20,553 were able to get Butch to cooperate. 739 00:36:20,678 --> 00:36:22,430 Jordan: Ronnie Jr. was vacillating 740 00:36:22,513 --> 00:36:23,890 between telling the police 741 00:36:24,015 --> 00:36:25,766 that he had no idea what happened to his family 742 00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:28,644 and then switching his story to he was there 743 00:36:28,728 --> 00:36:32,857 and the killers forced him to watch his family being killed. 744 00:36:32,940 --> 00:36:36,110 Aronson: And here's Ronnie. He's saying other people did it, 745 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:39,113 taking him through his house, 746 00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:41,574 room by room, 747 00:36:41,699 --> 00:36:45,119 telling them other people did the shooting. 748 00:36:45,203 --> 00:36:50,208 But the details he had were so precise. 749 00:36:50,291 --> 00:36:54,212 And, finally, Rafferty says to him, 750 00:36:54,337 --> 00:36:57,215 "You did it, Ronnie, didn't you?" 751 00:36:57,298 --> 00:37:01,219 And Ronnie says, "Yes, I did it." 752 00:37:01,302 --> 00:37:05,806 As far as I'm concerned, I got to them before they got to me. 753 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,726 ♪♪ 754 00:37:08,809 --> 00:37:12,647 Gloria: Louise used to tell me that Butchy was bad, 755 00:37:12,730 --> 00:37:15,107 but I didn't know what she meant. 756 00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:19,237 But she said, "No, Butchy is bad." 757 00:37:23,991 --> 00:37:27,245 I think he had more troubles than we thought, 758 00:37:27,328 --> 00:37:28,579 than they thought. 759 00:37:28,663 --> 00:37:31,791 Scott: At 17, he was into drugs -- 760 00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:33,584 LSD, heroin, 761 00:37:33,668 --> 00:37:35,503 a fifth of scotch every day. 762 00:37:35,586 --> 00:37:38,589 He was always at odds with his father, Ronald Sr. 763 00:37:38,714 --> 00:37:41,425 Dr. Cohen: His father was a violent person, 764 00:37:41,509 --> 00:37:45,012 and Ronald DeFeo was subject to a lot of abuse 765 00:37:45,096 --> 00:37:46,639 starting at a very young age. 766 00:37:46,764 --> 00:37:48,975 There's evidence that even as an infant, 767 00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:50,518 as an 18-month-old, 768 00:37:50,601 --> 00:37:52,979 his father would whack him on the head 769 00:37:53,104 --> 00:37:54,647 to stop him from crying. 770 00:37:54,772 --> 00:37:56,399 DeFeo: He's a violent man. 771 00:37:56,482 --> 00:37:58,567 I got beat up since the day I was born. 772 00:37:58,651 --> 00:38:00,903 I mean, I know they told me he took me out of a high chair 773 00:38:00,987 --> 00:38:03,030 and he threw me because I took a bowl of spaghetti 774 00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:05,116 and poured it over my head. 775 00:38:05,241 --> 00:38:07,743 Since I was born, it never stopped. 776 00:38:07,827 --> 00:38:10,788 Berry-Dee: You've got a very domineering father 777 00:38:10,913 --> 00:38:13,666 and a mother that's caught in the middle of this mess. 778 00:38:13,791 --> 00:38:15,668 Osuna: Butch started blaming his mother 779 00:38:15,793 --> 00:38:19,922 for allowing his father to get out of control with the abuse. 780 00:38:20,006 --> 00:38:23,759 He blamed her more than the sickness that his father had 781 00:38:23,843 --> 00:38:26,220 because she allowed it to continue. 782 00:38:26,304 --> 00:38:30,141 Children of an abusive father will often blame the mother 783 00:38:30,266 --> 00:38:32,143 for not having protected them 784 00:38:32,268 --> 00:38:36,647 or view her as an accomplice just by virtue of her passivity 785 00:38:36,731 --> 00:38:38,858 and her denial of what's going on. 786 00:38:38,983 --> 00:38:41,235 Jordan: After Ronnie Jr. became older, 787 00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:43,571 his resentment against his mother grew, 788 00:38:43,654 --> 00:38:46,115 and he began to fight back against his father. 789 00:38:46,198 --> 00:38:48,993 Martin: There's fighting. Ronnie and his father fight, 790 00:38:49,118 --> 00:38:52,288 and he gets crazy and he's got a horrible temper. 791 00:38:52,371 --> 00:38:54,415 Didio: Ronnie Sr. and Ronnie Jr. 792 00:38:54,498 --> 00:38:59,462 had a very contentious, bellicose relationship. 793 00:38:59,545 --> 00:39:01,839 They were always at war. 794 00:39:01,964 --> 00:39:05,843 They had fistfights that spilled out onto the front lawn. 795 00:39:05,926 --> 00:39:07,678 And then Ronnie would take off in his car, 796 00:39:07,803 --> 00:39:09,847 and his father would get in his car 797 00:39:09,972 --> 00:39:13,809 and speed down the block following him. 798 00:39:13,893 --> 00:39:16,103 Scott: At one point during a fight, 799 00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:18,731 he pulled a 12-gauge shotgun out 800 00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:23,235 and pointed it at his father's face and pulled the trigger. 801 00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:24,487 [ Gun clicks ] 802 00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:26,364 The rifle malfunctioned. 803 00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:30,951 The last time I saw Butch and Big Ronnie, 804 00:39:31,035 --> 00:39:34,789 they were fighting in the driveway, yelling at each other. 805 00:39:34,872 --> 00:39:38,626 Big Ronnie was saying, "Get outta here!" 806 00:39:38,709 --> 00:39:42,088 The relationship between Butch DeFeo and his father 807 00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:44,298 was coming to a head. 808 00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:48,594 He felt controlled by his father and terrorized by his father. 809 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:49,845 I didn't want their love. 810 00:39:49,929 --> 00:39:51,389 I didn't want anything to do with them. 811 00:39:51,514 --> 00:39:54,058 How much abuse did you think I was gonna take? 812 00:39:54,141 --> 00:39:56,394 He was a ticking time bomb. 813 00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:59,271 I had it with him, and it was coming. 814 00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:00,856 This has got to stop. 815 00:40:00,940 --> 00:40:04,527 Osuna: Anger and abuse and violence 816 00:40:04,610 --> 00:40:08,114 and drug addiction and alcoholism -- 817 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,409 it became a perfect storm that fed into the murders. 818 00:40:11,492 --> 00:40:13,285 ♪♪ 819 00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:15,788 [ Gunshot ] 820 00:40:15,913 --> 00:40:20,084 ♪♪ 821 00:40:20,209 --> 00:40:22,837 He said, "Yes, I did it. I killed them all." 822 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,298 You couldn't believe how it happened. 823 00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:29,343 There were very strange things 824 00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:31,345 associated with the DeFeo murders 825 00:40:31,429 --> 00:40:34,056 that the coroner, the forensics people 826 00:40:34,140 --> 00:40:36,559 could not understand. 827 00:40:36,642 --> 00:40:39,103 Scott: Ron DeFeo said that he heard voices 828 00:40:39,186 --> 00:40:41,939 telling him to kill, compelling him to shoot 829 00:40:42,064 --> 00:40:44,442 one member of the family after another. 830 00:40:44,567 --> 00:40:46,777 [ Gunshot ] 831 00:40:46,861 --> 00:40:48,446 Martin: Before you know it, 832 00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:52,116 people are talking about this house allegedly being haunted. 833 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,660 The story got bigger and more embellished 834 00:40:54,785 --> 00:40:56,579 and more fantastical -- 835 00:40:56,662 --> 00:40:58,706 ghosts flying to levitating 836 00:40:58,789 --> 00:41:00,958 to doors flying off hinges 837 00:41:01,041 --> 00:41:02,168 to demons 838 00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:04,503 to satanic forces. 839 00:41:04,628 --> 00:41:06,547 I was there at midnight. 840 00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:08,757 They started the séance. 841 00:41:08,841 --> 00:41:13,846 It's like a black shadow that forms a hood, 842 00:41:13,971 --> 00:41:15,264 and it moves. 843 00:41:15,347 --> 00:41:18,767 "This is the closest to hell I ever want to get." 844 00:41:18,851 --> 00:41:20,478 I'm the devil, I'm possessed, 845 00:41:20,561 --> 00:41:22,354 I'm supposed to be vicious, 846 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,983 a madman, insane, hear voices. 847 00:41:26,108 --> 00:41:29,487 That just makes your blood run cold. 848 00:41:29,612 --> 00:41:31,864 The evil in the house was him. 849 00:41:31,989 --> 00:41:35,659 ♪♪ 850 00:41:35,743 --> 00:41:39,580 After Ron DeFeo Jr.'s shocking confession 851 00:41:39,663 --> 00:41:41,123 that he was the murderer, 852 00:41:41,207 --> 00:41:42,708 the mystery deepened. 853 00:41:42,833 --> 00:41:45,377 Why would he kill his entire family? 854 00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:46,629 There was no sign of a struggle. 855 00:41:46,712 --> 00:41:48,839 Why didn't any of them fight back? 856 00:41:48,964 --> 00:41:51,175 Why didn't anyone try to run away? 857 00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:52,593 What was his motive -- 858 00:41:52,676 --> 00:41:55,513 greed, anger, or insanity? 859 00:41:55,596 --> 00:41:57,389 What really happened that night 860 00:41:57,515 --> 00:42:00,684 in part two of "The Amityville Horror." 861 00:42:00,809 --> 00:42:02,353 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 862 00:42:02,436 --> 00:42:03,854 Thanks for watching. 863 00:42:03,979 --> 00:42:06,732 Good night. 66073

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