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Hansen: I scared the [bleep]
out of them.

That's what I was trying to do.

I did not want her to see
where we was going.

I just pointed the gun at her
and said,

"Look, you're a professional.

You know there's some risk
to what you've been doing.

You do exactly what I tell you,
you're not going to get hurt.

You're just going to count
this off as a bad experience

and be a little bit
more careful next time

who you're gonna proposition
or, uh, go out with."

[ Gunshot ]

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Welcome to "Very Scary People."
I'm Donnie Wahlberg.

He was one of the most notorious
murderers in Alaska's history.

A skilled hunter,

Robert Hansen had
a particular brand of terror.

He brought his young, female
victims out into the wilderness,

where he chased them down
and shot them like prey.

He got away with his crimes
for years,

disguising himself
as an unassuming family man

who owned a neighborhood bakery.

Tonight, we'll hear from
Robert Hansen

in his own words --

a rare glimpse
into the twisted mind

of a dangerous
and sadistic predator.

This is Part One of
"The Butcher Baker."

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I had just gotten a small boat

and the Knik River
was right there,

so I thought it would be
an excellent time

to go down the river
and do a quick hunting trip

along with my friend
Audi Hallaway

and find some moose.

Hale: The Knik River is actually
a very short river.

It's a glacial river that is
just far enough away

from Anchorage
to be in the wilderness,

but still close enough to get
back and forth fairly quickly.

Daily: As we're coming down
the river, wind was blowing,

we were getting blown around
on the river pretty bad,

and a group of trees
that were down by the river

seemed like a good place
to get out of the wind,

put a tent up,
and camp for the night.

I think probably the first thing
that drew our attention

was the moon boot that we saw.

It just didn't fit in
with the area.

And then as we were looking
at it a little bit closer,

I saw a patch of denim.

It had been torn some,
so I could tell underneath

that there was a kneecap
under there,

and that pretty much told us
what we had there.

It was a body.

It was too far out
for most people,

like a hiker,
to just have fallen over.

My sense was there was
some kind of a homicide.

So it was, "Let's hike out
and get the troopers

and bring them out here."

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They started working their way
down to the body.

One of the first things
that came visible

was the victim's head.

Hale: She has an Ace bandage
wrapped around her head.

Daily: You see that and you
start thinking,

"My God, she's probably
been kidnapped from somewhere.

She's sitting there not knowing
what's happening,

where she's going."

She was shot in the chest.

Daily: When they sifted through
the dirt there was a .223 shell

that they end up finding there.

A .223-caliber come with

a number of
semi-automatic weapons.

They're light,
very powerful shell.

They're designed to kill.

The bullets were from
a high-power hunting rifle

used to kill large game.

The first inklings was,

this is probably someone who
knows his way around hunting.

♪♪

Jordan:
The victim was identified
as 23-year-old Sherry Morrow.

Hale: She'd been missing
about 10 months.

She was working as a dancer
in Anchorage.

Hale:
The morning she disappeared,

she left a note
to her friend Lisa

and said she was going
to a photo shoot.

She was going to
Alice's 210 restaurant

in downtown Anchorage,

and that whoever was going to do
it was going to pay her $300,

and she never saw her again.

Her boyfriend reported
her missing,

and one of the things
he pointed out

was that she had this arrowhead
necklace that she always wore.

Now, when they find her
and they identify her,

that jewelry is not with her.

That piece of jewelry
is missing.

It wasn't found
in her grave with her.

Jordan: Sherry Morrow wasn't the
only dancer who had vanished.

There were others.

Almost all were
in their early 20s

who had disappeared
after an afternoon date.

She's left everything she owns.
She's gone out on a date.

The people that she keeps
in contact with

has not heard from her,
and she's gone.

♪♪

Evans: Alaska in the 1970s
is a boom town.

If there's anything
like the wild, wild West,

it was Anchorage, Alaska,
in the 1970s.

Hale: They discovered oil
on the North Slope,

and then they have
to build a pipeline.

Evans: The pipeline started up
very quickly in the early '70s.

Anchorage was relatively
small and compact,

and in the span of basically
10 years, from '73 to '83,

its population almost doubled,
and there was lots of money,

lots of drugs,
lots of illegal activity.

Hale:
There's a lot of people from
the outside coming up to Alaska,

and they land on 4th Avenue,

which Bob Hope once described
as the longest bar in the world.

There's girls. There's booze.

Duclos: The area became known as
the Tenderloin District,

because all of a sudden
there was a lot of

topless, bottomless bars

and a lot of women
working on the street.

Daily:
Some of the ladies, especially
during the pipeline days,

were here today, gone tomorrow.

There had been several women
reported missing from that area.

So a stripper is missing.
So what?

She just went somewhere else.

Daily:
Nobody's known for years where
a lot of these people are at,

and they disappear.

Unless something happens
and somebody gets caught,

they're never gonna know.

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Hale: This part of town,
it comes alive at night.

There's all the clubs.

There's the topless clubs,
the bottomless clubs,

the women on the street.

He was right there,
and of course,

it was like a smorgasbord to
him, all these women.

Evans: And so this monster
that he turned out to be,

for many people, I think
it was truly an aberration.

I don't think they had any idea
what he was capable of doing.

[ Gunshot ]

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Hale: This is 1983.

For the last two or three years,

there have been reports
in Anchorage to the police

of dancers and prostitutes
suddenly turning up missing.

The people who are close to them
say, "You know, she went.

The guy offered her $200
for a photography shot.

She never came back."

Daily: There was a big rumor
on the streets

about something going on.

I was working foot patrol

down on the avenue
for a number of years.

The prostitutes were nervous.
The dancers were nervous.

Of course, most of us were

way behind
the power curve on that one.

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Hale: And then, in the spring,

another woman disappears
off the face of the Earth.

Her name was Paula Goulding.

Paula Goulding had got
into dancing kind of sideways.

She'd worked as a secretary,
she didn't much like it,

thought she would
try her hand at dancing.

She kind of got the hint that
if you go bottomless,

you'll make more money.

The night she decides to
go bottomless

is the same night
she met this guy,

and he offers her $200
for a photo shoot.

Jordan: Paula shows up at the
pre-arranged meeting place

and gets into his car.

Then, he threatens her
with a gun and handcuffs her.

Hale: From there,
he would go to Merrill Field.

He had an airplane,
a Piper Super Cub.

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Hale: He's flown them
to this remote place,

so just being there is scary.

Daily: A meat shack is where,
once you get the game,

you need to get it
off the ground,

you need to get it dry.

So a meat shack is a place
where you put poles up inside,

tie the meat up to it,

and just using it to preserve
the game that you got.

He decides he can't let
this pilot see her,

and it doesn't look like
he's going away,

because he flies and then
he's coming back around.

The pilot comes around again
and he waggles his wings,

which is kind of in airplane
speak, "How you doing, okay?"

By then, she's totally freaked.

[ Gunshot ]

♪♪

He knew what he was doing
was evil,

but he got, apparently,
pleasure from it.

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♪♪

At this time,
what we're trying to do

is make some determination

as to whether or not
we have one suspect

involved in a number of
these missing person cases

or whether or not we have
a series of multiple suspects.

♪♪

Jordan: Nine months after
Sherry Morrow's body was found,

a young woman is
working the streets

at about 11:30 at night.

Her name is Cindy Paulson,
17 years old.

She's been a prostitute
for a while,

even though she's only 17.

She gets into the car
and almost immediately,

she's in handcuffs
with a gun at her head.

So he takes her to his house.

He took her down
to the basement,

where he had a trophy room.

Hale: There are at least three
Dall sheep heads on the wall.

There's goat heads on the wall.

There's rabbits, there's birds.

And he immediately says,

"I want to make love to you,
but I want you to be chained."

He raped her,
assaulted her several times,

and then he chained her up

and went to sleep on a couch
and left her there.

Hale: So when she's down there
in this basement,

all she sees are animals
and the clock ticking, ticking,

and she thinks,
"I'm not gonna live."

Beeman: I can't imagine
the horror of that.

He goes to sleep
and she's sitting there

thinking she's gonna die,

taking note of
all the things she sees,

while she's also figuring out
how to get out of it.

Duclos:
Cindy was handcuffed, barefoot,
and he put her in his car

and covered her
with an Army blanket

and then drove to Merrill Field

and was in the process
of getting his plane ready.

Duclos:
Cindy was smart enough to know
that she better make her move

and escape now, that it would
be her last chance.

Hale: She's running. She's
barefoot. She's in handcuffs.

There's a man behind her
with a gun,

and a truck drives by.

She screams, he stops,
she gets in.

She did not even want to
go to the police.

She wants to be let out
at a motel

that's very close
to where she's been staying.

Duclos: He was a good Samaritan
and he dropped her off.

Hale:
And then he contacts the police.

The APD officer, Gregg Baker,
and his partner were on patrol,

and they found the room
that Cindy Paulson was in.

She was still handcuffed
and hysterical.

She was highly traumatized.

The cops get her
out of the cuffs

[ Handcuffs clicking ]
and then she calms down

and she starts to be able to
tell them what happened.

She saw what he looked like.

She could describe him
quite well.

He had some distinctive
characteristics,

one of which was that
he stuttered

and he had bad complexion.

But she was a reluctant victim.

She was afraid of
coming forward,

because she was convinced that
he would be able to kill her.

Beeman:
Prostitutes also don't want to
get involved with the police.

They live an illegal lifestyle,
too, so, to go to the police

[ Siren wails ]
seems against your own
best interest in a way,

especially when you don't think
they'll even believe you.

But Baker's instincts lead him
to believe her right away.

They take her to the hospital
for what's called a rape kit.

Jordan:
On the way to the hospital,

Officer Baker takes Cindy
to Merrill Airfield

to see if she can identify
her attacker's plane.

Duclos: Cindy was able to
point to the Super Cub.

She said, "Oh, there's
the plane. There's the plane."

Hale: And so, of course, they
can read the tail numbers

and they can check
who owns the plane.

And while they're
standing there,

a security guard
comes by and said,

"I've got his
license number on his car."

And so they
match those two things,

and, boom, they have a name,
they have an address.

His name is Robert Chris Hansen.

And they go to that address,

and Cindy says
"It's that house right there.

It's the one with the antlers
above the garage."

♪♪

♪♪

Welcome back to
"Very Scary People."

By the summer of 1983,
several dancers and prostitutes

had disappeared
from downtown Anchorage.

In the meantime,
Robert Hansen continued

to live an ordinary life
as a baker and family man.

When his wife and children
left town on vacation,

Hansen planned what he'd call
his "Summertime Project,"

which included the kidnapping,
rape, and torture

of vulnerable young women.

Beeman: Bob Hansen, he really
differentiated women.

You know, you had your good
girls and your bad girls.

But his wife was a good girl.

She was pious
and went to church,

and she very much focused
on raising the children.

They lived very separate lives.

He was into hunting.
She was into church.

Hale: She was a very hard
worker, very dutiful,

very intelligent,
very sensitive.

Darla was somewhat
of a loner herself.

Hale: Robert Hansen's bakery
was on a one-way street

that leads up to
downtown Anchorage.

You make a turn,
and there's all the clubs.

Unknown to Bob Hansen's wife,

when she thought that
he was working at the bakery,

he was actually hanging out
at the strip clubs.

Hale: He was not the guy
who looked dangerous,

really presented himself
as kind of shy.

He would always sit toward
the back of the club

so that the women had to come
to him while he's in the corner.

He doesn't ever want to
be seen with these women,

so the deal was he would
meet her not then, but later.

Then, when they come
to meet him,

he's always, like,
parked somewhere

so that he can see them coming.

Hale: He's gone.

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Beeman: Around town,
Bob Hansen has a reputation

of an upstanding,
successful business owner

who is in a successful
marriage with two kids.

Evans: People talk about how
you'd go into the bakery,

and if Robert Hansen was there
still in the morning,

he was very pleasant.

He was, if anything,
humble, meek, quiet.

He was strange,
but he was harmless strange,

as far as I was concerned.

Daily: He was a good baker.

I went there many times
and got coffee and doughnuts.

Hale: He had established himself
as a community man.

Everybody came by the bakery.

"Hi, Bob. Bye, Bob."

And so, yes, he was
definitely a known entity.

♪♪

So Robert Hansen grew up

in a very small town
in Iowa called Pocahontas.

Shaw: Pocahontas, Iowa.
Wonderful town.

Great people.
It was a farming community.

It was just a great place
to grow up.

Hale: His dad was a baker,

and Robert had learned the
bakery business by apprenticing.

His father expected
a lot of him.

Duclos: Mr. Hansen
worked his son pretty hard.

He was a hard-nosed
authoritarian.

Robert felt worked to death and
getting hardly anything for it.

His dad was demeaning
toward him.

His own dad would
make fun of him.

Hale: Bob was never good enough.

He's not very good in school
and he was born left-handed

and they made him be
right-handed,

and he stutters, and he
doesn't have many friends.

He had a very noticeable stutter
and really bad acne, as well.

Duclos: He ended up
with a pockmarked face.

Generally, he was
made fun of by girls.

He was a bit of a loner.

His demeanor
was non-threatening.

I'd never thought he'd
step on an ant.

I'd say he was sort of boring,
actually.

He didn't have very much to say.

He's quiet-ish,

'cause to talk is
to expose himself to ridicule.

Bob held this grudge
against his high school

because he had endured
a lot of abuse.

He had this resentment
toward women,

toward figures of authority,
people at the school, the cops.

He's in his early 20s.

He's hanging around
with these group of kids,

and he decides they're gonna
burn down the bus barn,

and it's really an act of
revenge against the school.

Duclos: They took some gasoline
up into the bus barn,

and Hansen spread the gasoline
around, lit a match.

♪♪

Bob Hansen was also
on the fire department.

[ Sirens wail ]
I mean, after he set
the bus barn on fire,

he went to the fire station.

I remember seeing Bob Hansen
there that night.

He was fighting the fire.

Hale: He denies knowing anything
about it,

and for about nine months
they don't know who did it.

What broke the case,
ultimately,

was the young kid
that Hansen had recruited

just couldn't live
with what he'd helped do,

and he essentially
informed on Hansen.

♪♪

Shaw:
His father and mother left town
'cause they were so embarrassed.

Burning down the bus barn
was a big deal.

You just didn't have that
sort of thing in Pocahontas.

His dad is so ashamed
of what his kid did

that he sold his bakery,
bought a resort up in Minnesota.

Shaw: And when Bob got out
of prison, he went up there.

Hale: He meets a woman
named Darla Henrichsen.

They fall in love
and they get married,

and, at one point, Bob says,
"why don't we go to Alaska?"

Alaska was the place where a lot
of people went and hid out.

Hale: It's where
a lot of people go

when they want
to start over again

and get a second chance
where no one knows you.

Many people in Alaska
know somebody who has a story

that they'd rather not tell.

Beeman: In 1967,
they ended up in Anchorage.

I think a fresh start
was what he wanted,

away from the humiliations
of his childhood.

Hale: Bob got a job as a cake
decorator almost immediately.

Darla got a job as a teacher
almost immediately,

so they were already
on their way to fitting in

to this frontier society.

I first got to know Bob

because I bought the house
right next door to him,

and we both had
an interest in bow hunting,

and so we would practice.

And we hunted together.

We hunted with bows and arrows.

We hunted with rifles.

Beeman:
He was really good at hunting.

So I think that, for a guy
who lacks self esteem

in a lot of areas,

he found something that
he was not only good at,

but better than
a lot of other people.

Hale:
He's a world-class bow hunter.

Beeman:
He broke a record for getting

the biggest Dall sheep
at that time.

Bivins: I was impressed.

He was a pretty good
bow-and-arrow guy.

He preferred the bow and arrow
because you got to get close.

You got to get within about
25 yards of your animal.

That's the exciting part,
is being able to do that.

And, trust me, your adrenaline
really starts to rush

when you start getting close.

Hale: He was really adept at
stalking, finding, getting,

killing the animals
that he chased.

And this skill really
sort of transferred

to the hunting and stalking
of the young women of Anchorage.

♪♪

Hale: Cindy Paulson.
17 years old.

She dresses up, lipstick,

and, you know, makes herself
look older, but she's a kid.

She starts to be able to
tell the cops what happened --

you know,
that she'd been kidnapped,

that she'd been raped,
that this guy was gonna try

and fly her somewhere
up to a cabin in the Knik.

So the police are doing
the tour around the house,

and Bob Hansen shows up,
and they say,

"Mr. Hansen,
we have this incident,

this woman who says you
kidnapped her and raped her.

And would you mind
showing us your house?"

"Oh, no, no problem at all."

So he brings them in
and they look around.

Duclos:
Cindy, being a good victim,

had detailed a description
of Hansen's den.

They saw all those
hunting trophies.

She describes
his basement to a tee.

Stuffed heads are everywhere.

Evans: She describes
the critters on the wall.

She describes the post
where he handcuffed her to that

after he finished assaulting her

so he could get
a few hours of sleep.

The house matches. The inside
of the house matches.

She described the car.
Car matches.

A lot of things
were falling into place,

certainly verifying her story.

Hale: They see an Ace bandage
in Hansen's car.

They notice some gloves.

They notice a little hole
in one of the posts

that they thought could've been
used to put an eye bolt in,

that's where she was chained.

But, turns out,
he's got an alibi.

In fact, he's got two alibis.

"I was with this insurance
executive almost all night.

And then this other buddy
of mine,

we went out and had
some beers and pizza.

So I don't even know
who this woman was.

It couldn't have been me."

Duclos:
The friends went along it.

Hansen's story to his friends

to get them
to support his alibi,

he told them that he was lonely

so he had propositioned
this gal,

and all of a sudden,
she tried to change the price.

He portrayed this as,

"I don't want Darla
to realize that I strayed

and I don't know
what made me do this,

but this is an aberration.

This is not me.
I'm a family man.

I'm a church man.
I'm a small business owner.

So what I'm asking you to do

is cover up
this little indiscretion."

And the two folks gave
some pretty strong alibis.

Hale: And it's versus
the word of a prostitute.

"You're gonna take
my word or her word?"

Robert was not emotional,
he was not overly hyper

when he described
what went on --

very low-key, very meek.

He looked you right in the eye
when he talked to you.

Jordan: When the Anchorage
police first try to find

Hansen's criminal records,
they don't find anything.

Hale: Alaska decided
they're gonna convert

all their records
to digital format.

They're gonna computerize them,

so Hansen's crimes in Alaska
are not available,

because they're over
at the center being converted.

Evans:
Remember, this is the '80s.

During that period of time,
you don't have the internet.

You don't have jurisdictions
exchanging information.

Even the court system
was very antiquated.

Duclos:
The investigator asked Cindy
to take a lie-detector test,

and she didn't show up for it.

And when he tried to find her,

the motel said she and her pimp
had checked out.

Cindy Paulson and her pimp

had relocated
to Portland, Oregon.

Duclos: He called
Portland Police Department

and was told
by a detective there

that Cindy Paulson
had other aliases

and she had been
arrested several times

for soliciting,
for prostitution.

They started to think of Cindy
as this crazy woman.

Duclos:
It was a woman of the streets
versus a respectable guy.

So, ultimately, when the
investigator couldn't find her,

he closed the case, labeling it
"exceptional clearance,"

which means
there was no evidence

or that the complainant
has dropped charges

or in Cindy's case, disappeared.

Our assumption was, the matter
was over and done with.

♪♪

Jordan:
Cindy Paulson told police
that she narrowly survived

a terrifying night
with Robert Hansen.

Hale: There are only
a couple of people

who find her story
quite convincing.

One of them is Gregg Baker, who
was the original investigator.

Gregg was believing Cindy,
and for some reason,

the detectives didn't give it
any credibility.

They didn't believe the
whole story of the abduction.

Rice: And Officer Gregg Baker
was very frustrated.

He said, "they're not doing
a thing about this."

I said, "I'll tell you
what you do, Gregg.

You go to the state troopers,
tell them I sent you.

Take whatever
you go out there to them."

And he did.

Duclos: So, ultimately, he
decided to put it all together

and gather the files,

and he walked it over
to the Alaska State Troopers,

because he knew that
they were investigating

some missing dancers.

By the time the Cindy Paulson
case came to light,

there was at least
nine dancers on that list.

And investigators believe

that the body of a woman
found in 1980

by the Eklutna power line
might also be connected.

She became known
as Eklutna Annie.

They weren't able to
identify her.

She's in very close proximity
to the Knik River.

Jordan:
Hers was the first body found,

but, really, very little
is known about her.

Rothschild: If you pick on
people who come to Anchorage,

stay for a few weeks
under some false name,

nobody knows who they are,
where they're from,

nobody knows
who their family is,

they hang around for a while
and then leave --

if you pick on
that kind of a person,

it's likely no one
will even miss them.

Several weeks after Gregg Baker

gave Cindy's file
to the state troopers,

the body of 31-year-old
Paula Goulding

was found near the Knik River.

Hale:
Paula Goulding -- she was the
woman taken to the meat shack.

[ Gunshot ]

When hunters found her body,
her pants were unzipped.

Her sweater had been ripped,
as had her bra.

It's a fairly shallow grave,
advanced state of decay.

In fact, the hunters
who find it smell it first.

It was skeletal, but they were
able to retrieve a jawbone

and they were able
to find dental records.

She had been reported missing.

Duclos:
In Paula Goulding's grave,

there was a single shell
casing from a .223 rifle.

So now they had two on the Knik.

Duclos: Sherry Morrow
and Paula Goulding.

Probably within
a half mile of each other.

Duclos: Both graves with
a .223 shell casing.

That linked the two cases
immediately.

Hale:
They're starting to think about
the remoteness of the location.

That's a signature now.

And they're starting
to think now

that they have
a serial killer on their hand.

They started to figure out

somebody was
killing prostitutes.

Hale: And now they have
Cindy Paulson saying,

"This guy was gonna fly me
to his cabin in a plane

and he was gonna kill me."

And so the stars
are starting to align.

Glenn Flothe took the case.

He'd broken a bunch of cases.

He was up in Fairbanks,

and he'd broken
case after case after case.

He has to have Cindy.

When Glenn Flothe
starts looking for her,

he learns that she's
actually back in Anchorage,

working in a massage parlor.

And they go find her,
and he interviews Cindy Paulson.

He spends about 45 minutes
talking to her.

Beeman:
She told him everything that
she remembered, all the details.

Hale:
She identified Robert Hansen,
but there's obstacles.

Hansen's got such strong alibis,

and unless you can break
those alibi witnesses

or find additional evidence,
you're in a tough spot.

Beeman: Glenn Flothe couldn't
find any criminal records

on Robert Hansen,
but there were investigators

who could remember
pieces of Hansen's past.

Hale: They come forward and say,

"Hansen?
Let me tell you about Hansen."

Glenn Flothe is pretty sure
he has a potential suspect.

He has some problems
in the investigation,

because he doesn't
have all the records.

Evans:
It wasn't all in one place.

He eventually
gets those records.

When they started looking back,

they realized that he had
quite a track record.

Hale:
Nobody knows he's not supposed
to have a pilot license.

Nobody knows he's
not supposed to have guns,

because he's a felon.

♪♪

Suddenly, you start having
these pieces come together.

It's kind of like a light
clicked, and they went,

"Oh, my gosh," and it turned out
to be the tip of the iceberg.

Kind of a shock.

He basically looked like
Joe Citizen.

He was really good
at hiding his evil side.

He had learned that if you have
witnesses, you have problems.

Daily: This wasn't our finest
hour as a police department.

"All we've taught this guy
how to do is kill."

Hale: Did his violence
grow more gruesome

and more full with rage
as he went on?

Absolutely.

Can't even fathom the terror
to take somebody, kidnap them

and put them out in the woods
and then go hunt them down.

Did he thrive somehow
on knowing how scared they were?

He was going to get his prey.

He wasn't coming home
without a trophy.

They are horrible crimes.
He was a devil.

It's haunting to know you knew

somebody that could
do something like that.

♪♪

Robert Hansen,
the neighborhood baker,

served up Danish and doughnuts

all while committing
monstrous crimes

against the city's
most vulnerable women.

But one woman's escape
had investigators

looking twice at the meek man
behind the counter.

Could the baker be
the serial killer

leaving bodies
in the wilderness?

And could there be others?

In Part 2 of
"The Butcher Baker."

I'm Donnie Wahlberg.

Thanks for watching.

Good night.