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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,209 --> 00:00:13,834 Come, let me tell you of someone who heals, 2 00:00:13,918 --> 00:00:16,626 who does miracles like none other does. 3 00:00:16,709 --> 00:00:21,709 The more you see of god in me, the more I can reproduce in you. 4 00:00:43,751 --> 00:00:46,250 Welcome to "very scary people." 5 00:00:46,334 --> 00:00:47,918 I'm Donnie wahlberg. 6 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,209 More than 900 people died there. 7 00:00:52,292 --> 00:00:54,792 The youngest victim was just 5 weeks old. 8 00:00:54,876 --> 00:00:57,292 The oldest was 97, 9 00:00:57,375 --> 00:01:00,375 and the man responsible was Jim Jones. 10 00:01:00,459 --> 00:01:04,792 Wildly charismatic, for decades Jones was idolized by his flock, 11 00:01:04,876 --> 00:01:08,584 but he used his church as a way to con people with phony cures 12 00:01:08,667 --> 00:01:09,959 and take their money. 13 00:01:10,042 --> 00:01:12,042 He sexually abused his followers 14 00:01:12,125 --> 00:01:15,375 and was obsessed with death, disturbing behavior 15 00:01:15,459 --> 00:01:18,292 that traces all the way back to his childhood. 16 00:01:18,375 --> 00:01:20,250 A man of extraordinary contradictions 17 00:01:20,334 --> 00:01:24,542 and seemingly unlimited gifts, Jones could have done anything, 18 00:01:24,626 --> 00:01:28,584 but what he chose to do is almost unimaginable. 19 00:01:39,751 --> 00:01:41,417 Good evening. We're interrupting our special 20 00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:44,876 broadcasting to bring you this special report. 21 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,042 We here at nbc news have been trying to establish 22 00:01:48,125 --> 00:01:51,209 what happened last night. 23 00:01:51,292 --> 00:01:53,584 I remember him saying he was god. 24 00:01:53,667 --> 00:01:58,209 Let's fill this atmosphere with warmth and love. 25 00:01:58,292 --> 00:02:01,959 Bodies are strewn all over the place. 26 00:02:02,042 --> 00:02:04,167 I was a zealot. I believed it. 27 00:02:04,250 --> 00:02:07,834 The word on everybody's lips was, "shades of Auschwitz." 28 00:02:07,918 --> 00:02:10,626 Love is a healing remedy. 29 00:02:10,709 --> 00:02:14,083 The death toll is rising as more bodies are being found. 30 00:02:14,167 --> 00:02:16,250 I also have to warn you that what you're about 31 00:02:16,334 --> 00:02:18,876 to see almost defies description. 32 00:02:18,959 --> 00:02:23,125 I maintain to be and declare to be your only savior! 33 00:02:25,250 --> 00:02:27,209 How do you think history will eventually 34 00:02:27,292 --> 00:02:29,334 come to see your father? 35 00:02:29,417 --> 00:02:31,500 I don't care. 36 00:02:37,125 --> 00:02:41,292 I'm really not sure what the end was for my father, what... 37 00:02:41,375 --> 00:02:44,209 If there was a great, grand plan. 38 00:02:44,292 --> 00:02:47,500 What I saw my father doing is shooting 39 00:02:47,584 --> 00:02:52,918 from the hip much of the time, and he was managing perception. 40 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,250 I shall do all the miracles that you said 41 00:02:55,334 --> 00:02:56,959 your god would do and never did. 42 00:02:57,042 --> 00:02:58,292 - Yes! - Yes! 43 00:02:58,375 --> 00:03:03,751 Jones became a master performer as a preacher, 44 00:03:03,834 --> 00:03:06,083 and he gravitated towards 45 00:03:06,167 --> 00:03:08,918 the pentacostalist style of preaching, 46 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,709 and in doing so, he embraced faith healing. 47 00:03:17,542 --> 00:03:19,918 He didn't have the power to heal, 48 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,876 and therefore we need to fake these healings. 49 00:03:24,792 --> 00:03:26,167 Now, is the pain gone? 50 00:03:26,250 --> 00:03:28,000 He would do this thing where he would say, 51 00:03:28,083 --> 00:03:29,500 "lean your head back. Close your eyes." 52 00:03:29,584 --> 00:03:30,918 Put his hands in your mouth, 53 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,751 and it wasn't cancer he was pulling out of you. 54 00:03:32,834 --> 00:03:35,292 What he was putting in your mouth 55 00:03:35,375 --> 00:03:37,876 was fermented chicken parts. 56 00:03:37,959 --> 00:03:42,375 Deceit is pernicious, and it started back then. 57 00:03:42,459 --> 00:03:46,292 Jim Jones was supposedly a good man gone bad. 58 00:03:46,375 --> 00:03:49,042 It couldn't be farther from the truth. 59 00:03:50,751 --> 00:03:54,292 Jim Jones was born in a little town called. 60 00:03:54,375 --> 00:03:57,792 Crete, Indiana, in 1931. 61 00:03:57,876 --> 00:04:02,751 Crete was, Just a dot on the map. 62 00:04:02,834 --> 00:04:06,000 Had three or four houses, a green elevator, 63 00:04:06,083 --> 00:04:08,292 and a railroad track, that was it. 64 00:04:15,292 --> 00:04:19,250 In 1931, Indiana is almost a century 65 00:04:19,334 --> 00:04:22,417 behind a lot of the rest of america. 66 00:04:22,500 --> 00:04:26,334 It's about the whitest area in america you can find. 67 00:04:26,417 --> 00:04:29,751 The ku klux klan has been sort of forced out of the south 68 00:04:29,834 --> 00:04:32,834 and has made Indiana it's new stronghold. 69 00:04:32,918 --> 00:04:36,584 It's very conservative, very religious. 70 00:04:36,667 --> 00:04:40,751 He was born to a relatively poor couple. 71 00:04:40,834 --> 00:04:42,876 It was in the middle of the great depression 72 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:46,667 which was a time when poor people certainly had trouble 73 00:04:46,751 --> 00:04:48,834 making the ends meet. 74 00:04:55,834 --> 00:04:59,417 Jim Jones' father, also named Jim Jones, 75 00:04:59,500 --> 00:05:01,876 is a world war I veteran. 76 00:05:09,542 --> 00:05:12,417 His mother, lynetta Jones, 77 00:05:12,500 --> 00:05:15,250 was the sort of spirit of the family. 78 00:05:15,334 --> 00:05:17,375 Lynetta is bold. She's brassy. 79 00:05:17,459 --> 00:05:18,792 She's pushy. 80 00:05:18,876 --> 00:05:20,876 His parents lost their farm when he was a toddler, 81 00:05:20,959 --> 00:05:23,959 so he was raised in nearby Lynn, Indiana. 82 00:05:24,042 --> 00:05:27,751 He has a mother who is resentful of her working-class place 83 00:05:27,834 --> 00:05:30,959 in life and tells him, even as a toddler, 84 00:05:31,042 --> 00:05:33,167 "you are going to be the greatest man ever. 85 00:05:33,250 --> 00:05:35,125 You were born to be great." 86 00:05:35,209 --> 00:05:40,751 Jones stood out among others of his peers as a child 87 00:05:40,834 --> 00:05:44,375 as someone who was precocious. 88 00:05:44,459 --> 00:05:46,834 He'd cuss up a storm. 89 00:05:46,918 --> 00:05:49,209 He was much smarter than the rest of us kids. 90 00:05:49,292 --> 00:05:53,375 But even at age 10 or 11, Jim Jones had a dark side. 91 00:05:53,459 --> 00:05:57,876 During world war ii, German pows were sent to Lynn. 92 00:05:57,959 --> 00:06:02,042 I remember one occasion, up pulls a greyhound bus, 93 00:06:02,125 --> 00:06:06,125 and the first guy out was carrying a carbine 94 00:06:06,209 --> 00:06:10,000 followed by about 10 or 12 tall men, 95 00:06:10,083 --> 00:06:13,792 and on the back of their coveralls was, "pow." 96 00:06:13,876 --> 00:06:16,042 And I'll never forget, this one patted 97 00:06:16,125 --> 00:06:19,500 Jimmy on the head and he said something in German. 98 00:06:19,584 --> 00:06:21,751 These were German war prisoners. 99 00:06:21,834 --> 00:06:25,751 Jimmy turned around and said, "heil Hitler." 100 00:06:25,834 --> 00:06:28,626 He's fixated on Adolf Hitler, 101 00:06:28,709 --> 00:06:31,959 how Hitler can stand in front of huge crowds 102 00:06:32,042 --> 00:06:36,250 and just by force of personality make them worship him 103 00:06:36,334 --> 00:06:39,751 and follow him, and Jones actually admired 104 00:06:39,834 --> 00:06:42,876 Hitler committing suicide at the end 105 00:06:42,959 --> 00:06:46,667 rather than letting all his enemies parade him around 106 00:06:46,751 --> 00:06:49,709 and feel triumphant in front of him. 107 00:06:49,792 --> 00:06:52,542 And the other kids all thought he was strange, 108 00:06:52,626 --> 00:06:55,209 so nobody wanted to be his friend. 109 00:07:06,417 --> 00:07:07,834 I heard a lot of stories about dad 110 00:07:07,918 --> 00:07:09,709 feeling like an outcast as a child. 111 00:07:09,792 --> 00:07:13,167 I suspect that to some he was very attractive 112 00:07:13,250 --> 00:07:15,667 and others he was odd. 113 00:07:15,751 --> 00:07:19,125 Jim Jones, from childhood, is also a con artist. 114 00:07:19,209 --> 00:07:22,500 He manages, in this small town, to convince all kinds of people 115 00:07:22,584 --> 00:07:25,083 that he's still a lost little waif, 116 00:07:25,167 --> 00:07:27,959 and he'll be invited in for meals. 117 00:07:28,042 --> 00:07:30,334 And he will tell the lady serving him that meal 118 00:07:30,417 --> 00:07:32,626 he's never had better food, 119 00:07:32,709 --> 00:07:34,292 that he just loves her like a mama, 120 00:07:34,375 --> 00:07:37,667 that she's been so kind to him, and they all just melt. 121 00:07:37,751 --> 00:07:40,918 Dad knew how to win someone over pretty quickly, 122 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,042 knew how to adapt to any situation. 123 00:07:45,125 --> 00:07:48,792 Little Jimmy is fascinated by religion. 124 00:07:48,876 --> 00:07:50,375 He joins the nazarene church, 125 00:07:50,459 --> 00:07:52,751 and then he joins the methodists. 126 00:07:52,834 --> 00:07:55,542 Then he's over there with the baptists. 127 00:07:55,626 --> 00:07:58,834 He would organize pretend church services with friends. 128 00:07:58,918 --> 00:08:01,918 He would be the minister. They would be the followers. 129 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,876 They would be listening and nodding along. 130 00:08:04,959 --> 00:08:06,834 He would go out in the woods and practice 131 00:08:06,918 --> 00:08:08,626 giving his own services, 132 00:08:08,709 --> 00:08:12,292 and he would hold funeral services for roadkill. 133 00:08:12,375 --> 00:08:16,167 By the time he's a teenager, he's the one boy in town 134 00:08:16,250 --> 00:08:17,709 who goes to every church service 135 00:08:17,792 --> 00:08:20,292 and walks around carrying a Bible. 136 00:08:20,375 --> 00:08:22,876 With pentecostal services, 137 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:26,042 he found this sense of belonging. 138 00:08:41,042 --> 00:08:42,292 Jimmy would go up. 139 00:08:42,375 --> 00:08:45,500 Every Sunday, he would go up and get saved, 140 00:08:45,584 --> 00:08:48,000 and I always thought that was a little weird, too. 141 00:08:48,083 --> 00:08:51,959 Pentecostalism, at its origins, was racially integrated, 142 00:08:52,042 --> 00:08:55,751 and that's something that was very important to Jones. 143 00:09:02,167 --> 00:09:07,250 He was never part of the accepted in crowd, 144 00:09:07,334 --> 00:09:11,042 the social elite as he called it. 145 00:09:11,125 --> 00:09:15,334 He felt a tremendous resentment towards people 146 00:09:15,417 --> 00:09:18,709 that he regarded as having more power, more privilege, 147 00:09:18,792 --> 00:09:22,042 and more money than he had. 148 00:09:22,125 --> 00:09:24,042 By the time Jones was in high school, 149 00:09:24,125 --> 00:09:26,626 he was pretty set on what he wanted to do. 150 00:09:26,709 --> 00:09:29,626 He wanted to be a preacher, but not just a local preacher. 151 00:09:29,709 --> 00:09:33,083 He wanted to change the world. 152 00:09:33,167 --> 00:09:36,542 He would gain information by searching garbage cans 153 00:09:36,626 --> 00:09:38,167 or talking to their neighbors. 154 00:09:38,250 --> 00:09:39,792 It would seem like he's reading minds. 155 00:09:39,876 --> 00:09:41,584 All he's doing is eavesdropping. 156 00:09:57,542 --> 00:10:00,459 By 1948, there were early shades of who he would become, 157 00:10:00,542 --> 00:10:02,584 he was charismatic, he was confident, 158 00:10:02,667 --> 00:10:05,250 but he was somewhat rough around the edges, 159 00:10:05,334 --> 00:10:07,834 a small-town character, but he had a pretty big 160 00:10:07,918 --> 00:10:09,500 chip on his shoulder. 161 00:10:09,584 --> 00:10:12,542 It was fortunate, met the one woman who could really take him 162 00:10:12,626 --> 00:10:15,125 further than any place he wanted to be. 163 00:10:15,209 --> 00:10:17,125 That was marceline Baldwin. 164 00:10:17,209 --> 00:10:21,000 Marceline Baldwin, the daughter of a city councilman, 165 00:10:21,083 --> 00:10:24,792 was considered the most wonderful girl in town. 166 00:10:24,876 --> 00:10:28,918 When she entered a room, she commanded respect. 167 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:34,083 She had panache, but not in a pompous way. 168 00:10:34,167 --> 00:10:37,959 I think mom enjoyed that dad was brash. 169 00:10:38,042 --> 00:10:41,667 She was definitely giving this young 170 00:10:41,751 --> 00:10:43,500 whippersnapper the cold shoulder for awhile 171 00:10:43,584 --> 00:10:46,292 because mom was 4 years older than dad. 172 00:10:46,375 --> 00:10:49,167 One of the ways dad made himself more attractive to mom 173 00:10:49,250 --> 00:10:51,709 was to talk about his religious background 174 00:10:51,792 --> 00:10:55,000 and his desire to be a minister. 175 00:10:55,083 --> 00:10:59,792 They married in June 1949, and it was a double wedding. 176 00:10:59,876 --> 00:11:03,667 My father and mother were married in the same ceremony. 177 00:11:03,751 --> 00:11:07,334 She is convinced that she has married a special man 178 00:11:07,417 --> 00:11:09,626 who will do special things, 179 00:11:09,709 --> 00:11:14,209 and as he begins an independent ministry in Indianapolis, 180 00:11:14,292 --> 00:11:18,542 she decides she will simply devote herself to him. 181 00:11:18,626 --> 00:11:21,751 His first church was incorporated 182 00:11:21,834 --> 00:11:24,667 under the name wings of deliverance. 183 00:11:24,751 --> 00:11:27,167 Jim Jones was 23 years old when he set up this church 184 00:11:27,250 --> 00:11:30,751 with mostly a poor African-American following. 185 00:11:30,834 --> 00:11:33,584 Segregation very much was alive and firmly 186 00:11:33,667 --> 00:11:36,667 implanted in Indianapolis, like it was in many cities. 187 00:11:36,751 --> 00:11:39,209 There was an active ku klux klan nearby. 188 00:11:39,292 --> 00:11:41,626 There was a racial divide in the city, 189 00:11:41,709 --> 00:11:44,542 and Jones was very bothered by that. 190 00:11:44,626 --> 00:11:48,292 I think dad genuinely cared about doing the right thing, 191 00:11:48,375 --> 00:11:54,792 but that was always snarled with his deep need for approval. 192 00:11:55,500 --> 00:12:00,751 He began to be unorthodox in his sermons. 193 00:12:00,834 --> 00:12:03,876 He was incorporating kind of a political stance 194 00:12:03,959 --> 00:12:06,042 on the world's situation. 195 00:12:06,125 --> 00:12:08,125 At first, he tried to transform himself 196 00:12:08,209 --> 00:12:11,459 into marceline's dream man, but then differences 197 00:12:11,542 --> 00:12:14,417 began to emerge. 198 00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:15,918 He's difficult. 199 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,000 He will not tolerate any views other than his own. 200 00:12:20,083 --> 00:12:23,292 Mom started to see that dad was not all he said he was. 201 00:12:23,375 --> 00:12:26,417 Mom was in conflict from early on. 202 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:30,876 She was the first victim to fall prey to Jim, 203 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,626 his public persona, 204 00:12:32,709 --> 00:12:35,250 the first victim of Jim figuring out 205 00:12:35,334 --> 00:12:37,542 what somebody needed to see and hear. 206 00:12:37,626 --> 00:12:40,209 My family thought he was a little odd, 207 00:12:40,292 --> 00:12:43,375 I have to admit, a little strange, 208 00:12:43,459 --> 00:12:48,334 but he had an air of authority, and he was very charismatic. 209 00:12:48,417 --> 00:12:51,500 By 1955, his church is growing substantially. 210 00:12:51,584 --> 00:12:53,876 This was a church that would reach out to people 211 00:12:53,959 --> 00:12:55,042 who were in need. 212 00:12:55,125 --> 00:12:57,125 If someone's sewer line broke, 213 00:12:57,209 --> 00:13:00,876 then other members of the church would come over and help. 214 00:13:00,959 --> 00:13:02,834 If there were people who were hungry, 215 00:13:02,918 --> 00:13:06,000 the soup kitchen would feed them. 216 00:13:06,083 --> 00:13:08,459 But for his ministry in the early days, 217 00:13:08,542 --> 00:13:10,584 Jones needs money. 218 00:13:10,667 --> 00:13:13,125 He can't get it from his parishioners 219 00:13:13,209 --> 00:13:14,959 in inner-city Indianapolis. 220 00:13:15,042 --> 00:13:18,709 They don't have any, so he goes out on the revival circuit. 221 00:13:18,792 --> 00:13:22,709 Pentecostal services focused on faith healing 222 00:13:22,792 --> 00:13:24,626 and on salvation. 223 00:13:24,709 --> 00:13:27,751 He sees quickly that the large crowds 224 00:13:27,834 --> 00:13:31,167 and the big donations come when people work miracles. 225 00:13:31,250 --> 00:13:34,792 He would use the age-old practice of discernment. 226 00:13:34,876 --> 00:13:38,000 That is, being able to tell the future or tell things 227 00:13:38,083 --> 00:13:41,709 about people's past that nobody else knew, 228 00:13:41,792 --> 00:13:43,542 and he would gain that information 229 00:13:43,626 --> 00:13:47,209 by searching garbage cans or talking to their neighbors. 230 00:13:47,292 --> 00:13:51,250 Then he can get up and he can start doing mind-reading things. 231 00:13:59,125 --> 00:14:00,876 And it would seem like he's reading minds. 232 00:14:00,959 --> 00:14:03,959 All he's doing is eavesdropping. 233 00:14:04,042 --> 00:14:07,417 Jones began to use theatrics 234 00:14:07,500 --> 00:14:12,667 to ritually portray his success at faith healing. 235 00:14:12,751 --> 00:14:16,209 He had people on his staff who would... 236 00:14:16,292 --> 00:14:18,292 Would feign being sick, an old lady, 237 00:14:18,375 --> 00:14:20,042 and would leap out of a chair. 238 00:14:20,125 --> 00:14:24,417 In the second row, you have a bad spinal condition. 239 00:14:24,500 --> 00:14:26,250 Step from your wheelchair! 240 00:14:26,334 --> 00:14:28,959 Again, step from your wheelchair! 241 00:14:29,042 --> 00:14:30,542 Take that step! 242 00:14:30,626 --> 00:14:35,000 Bless your heart. Take that step! 243 00:14:35,083 --> 00:14:39,167 Now... now, move forward. Move forward! 244 00:14:39,250 --> 00:14:42,250 He would have people who said they were blind who could see. 245 00:14:42,334 --> 00:14:44,876 All these sort of tricks of the trade that he had heard 246 00:14:44,959 --> 00:14:49,459 other razzle-dazzle preachers had used, he would use. 247 00:14:49,542 --> 00:14:54,667 He's already inculcating in his followers the idea 248 00:14:54,751 --> 00:14:56,709 that sometimes you have to do things 249 00:14:56,792 --> 00:15:02,167 that seem wrong to achieve the greater purpose. 250 00:15:02,250 --> 00:15:04,292 He said the Bible was false, 251 00:15:04,375 --> 00:15:06,709 and he threw it on the floor and stepped on it. 252 00:15:22,792 --> 00:15:26,042 By the 1950s, Jim Jones is out on the revival circuit, 253 00:15:26,125 --> 00:15:27,667 and he's quite successful, 254 00:15:27,751 --> 00:15:31,959 but he's using lies to drum up donations and supporters. 255 00:15:32,042 --> 00:15:35,083 So the ends justify the means. 256 00:15:35,167 --> 00:15:38,792 Lying to people by doing phony, fake healing, 257 00:15:38,876 --> 00:15:41,209 it will help people have more faith, 258 00:15:41,292 --> 00:15:45,375 so therefore it's a good thing to do. 259 00:15:45,459 --> 00:15:52,709 The more attention Jim Jones gets, the more influence he has. 260 00:15:52,792 --> 00:15:56,083 He's never going to be satisfied. 261 00:15:56,167 --> 00:15:57,542 He wants more. 262 00:15:57,626 --> 00:16:03,083 He was so consumed with furthering his name 263 00:16:03,167 --> 00:16:07,209 and constantly feeding that need for adulation. 264 00:16:07,292 --> 00:16:09,709 But while Jim was really focused on the church, 265 00:16:09,792 --> 00:16:11,959 marceline wanted to have a family, 266 00:16:12,042 --> 00:16:13,292 and so she had this idea 267 00:16:13,375 --> 00:16:15,459 of adopting children of different races, 268 00:16:15,542 --> 00:16:17,626 calling it a rainbow family, 269 00:16:17,709 --> 00:16:21,542 to live out the church's ideas of racial equality. 270 00:16:21,626 --> 00:16:25,167 They first adopt a couple of Korean orphans. 271 00:16:25,250 --> 00:16:27,918 They adopt a black baby, the first white couple 272 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,584 in Indianapolis to adopt a black infant, 273 00:16:31,667 --> 00:16:35,500 and they name this child Jim Jones Jr. 274 00:16:35,584 --> 00:16:37,959 Marceline discovers she's pregnant. 275 00:16:38,042 --> 00:16:41,542 They had one child themselves, a son named Stephan. 276 00:16:41,626 --> 00:16:45,417 I love my family, but what I've come to believe 277 00:16:45,500 --> 00:16:48,000 about the rainbow family is that too much of it 278 00:16:48,083 --> 00:16:51,834 was about the statement from dad's point of view. 279 00:16:51,918 --> 00:16:54,626 Too much of it was about show. 280 00:16:54,709 --> 00:17:00,083 In 1956, they bought the church at 10th and Delaware 281 00:17:00,167 --> 00:17:04,375 which was a Jewish temple. 282 00:17:04,459 --> 00:17:08,125 It became known as peoples temple. 283 00:17:08,209 --> 00:17:11,834 Peoples was the idea that this is not just one people, 284 00:17:11,918 --> 00:17:16,250 not just one race, not just one ethnicity. 285 00:17:29,125 --> 00:17:32,542 A black man would not be allowed to say that, 286 00:17:32,626 --> 00:17:34,042 and to hear a white man 287 00:17:34,125 --> 00:17:37,667 saying those things, that definitely stood out. 288 00:17:37,751 --> 00:17:40,250 I was born into peoples temple. 289 00:17:40,334 --> 00:17:44,083 Early as a child, our mother just coming home 290 00:17:44,167 --> 00:17:45,876 and telling us all about this church 291 00:17:45,959 --> 00:17:50,125 and this man that was different, like no other. 292 00:17:52,417 --> 00:17:55,751 In Indianapolis, black people simply can't eat 293 00:17:55,834 --> 00:17:57,417 at the nice restaurants. 294 00:17:57,500 --> 00:18:01,000 Jones will show up at a restaurant 295 00:18:01,083 --> 00:18:02,792 with a couple black people. 296 00:18:02,876 --> 00:18:05,083 "We'd like to come in." "Well, no. 297 00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:06,959 You know, we don't have any room for you." 298 00:18:07,042 --> 00:18:08,500 And he would point out, "look, there's 299 00:18:08,584 --> 00:18:10,500 these empty seats." 300 00:18:10,584 --> 00:18:12,751 And then he'd start saying, "you know, 301 00:18:12,834 --> 00:18:15,500 it would really be a good thing for you if you integrate. 302 00:18:15,584 --> 00:18:17,083 You'll make more money." 303 00:18:17,167 --> 00:18:18,250 And he doesn't use force. 304 00:18:18,334 --> 00:18:20,042 He's a very persuasive guy. 305 00:18:20,125 --> 00:18:22,417 Eventually the Indianapolis restaurants gave in, 306 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:24,584 allowing both black and white customers 307 00:18:24,667 --> 00:18:26,334 to sit and eat together. 308 00:18:26,417 --> 00:18:27,918 He essentially integrates 309 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,542 one of the most segregationist big cities in america. 310 00:18:31,626 --> 00:18:34,876 If Jim Jones had been hit by a car 311 00:18:34,959 --> 00:18:38,918 and killed on his way from Indiana to California, 312 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,459 we would remember him today as one of the leaders 313 00:18:42,542 --> 00:18:44,959 of the early civil rights movement. 314 00:18:46,709 --> 00:18:49,250 He's drawn crowds and developed a name for himself 315 00:18:49,334 --> 00:18:51,584 as a minister, but like all good con men, 316 00:18:51,667 --> 00:18:53,167 it was a bait and switch. 317 00:18:53,250 --> 00:18:55,209 He changed the message. 318 00:18:55,292 --> 00:18:57,542 He said the Bible was false 319 00:18:57,626 --> 00:19:00,417 and nobody needed to read the Bible anymore, 320 00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:03,209 and he threw it on the floor and stepped on it. 321 00:19:07,083 --> 00:19:11,417 Dad's number one objective was to be number one 322 00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:13,792 to anyone in his world, 323 00:19:13,876 --> 00:19:16,918 and people's religion got in the way of him 324 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,834 being number one to them, 325 00:19:18,918 --> 00:19:21,751 so that would be a major reason dad 326 00:19:21,834 --> 00:19:24,459 would have a problem with the Bible and christianity. 327 00:19:24,542 --> 00:19:26,834 This is in the midst of the cold war. 328 00:19:26,918 --> 00:19:29,542 He's talking about socialism and communism. 329 00:19:29,626 --> 00:19:31,375 It was all pretty revolutionary. 330 00:19:31,459 --> 00:19:36,459 Jones' resentment of elites and monied people 331 00:19:36,542 --> 00:19:42,542 was something that dovetailed with his political communism. 332 00:19:48,042 --> 00:19:52,500 He would wear the same shoes, same cheap slacks, cotton shirt, 333 00:19:52,584 --> 00:19:54,959 and he never owned a car. 334 00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:06,083 In the 1950s in america, when the cold war 335 00:20:06,167 --> 00:20:09,709 is ratcheting up, all across this country 336 00:20:09,792 --> 00:20:12,459 there is the great fear of nuclear war. 337 00:20:12,542 --> 00:20:16,292 Russia has the bomb. 338 00:20:16,375 --> 00:20:20,542 And more and more Americans believe 339 00:20:20,626 --> 00:20:24,792 that nuclear war is inevitable, including Jim Jones. 340 00:20:35,292 --> 00:20:38,083 Back then, nuclear war was on everyone's mind, 341 00:20:38,167 --> 00:20:40,626 and I guess he read some article and said that the place 342 00:20:40,709 --> 00:20:42,876 that would be least likely to be bombed 343 00:20:42,959 --> 00:20:47,584 or whatnot would be redwood valley, west coast. 344 00:20:47,667 --> 00:20:52,125 Going to California brought the church to an entirely new level. 345 00:20:52,209 --> 00:20:54,834 The more you surrender to the group, 346 00:20:54,918 --> 00:20:57,334 the more the group identity takes over. 347 00:20:57,417 --> 00:21:00,334 It really is the end of a traditional ministry, 348 00:21:00,417 --> 00:21:03,542 and it starts to move in the direction of becoming a cult. 349 00:21:16,417 --> 00:21:19,667 Welcome back to "very scary people." 350 00:21:19,751 --> 00:21:22,918 Jim Jones has tossed the Bible from his sermons 351 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,584 and begun to call himself the savior. 352 00:21:25,667 --> 00:21:27,292 Many of his followers are convinced 353 00:21:27,375 --> 00:21:29,792 he can cure diseases and read minds. 354 00:21:29,876 --> 00:21:32,709 By the mid-1960s, there are ominous signs 355 00:21:32,792 --> 00:21:34,209 that the peoples temple 356 00:21:34,292 --> 00:21:37,167 is turning from a religious movement into a cult. 357 00:21:37,250 --> 00:21:39,417 The congregation believes they're working 358 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:41,292 toward a utopian paradise, 359 00:21:41,375 --> 00:21:46,292 but in reality, it's the beginning of a nightmare. 360 00:22:01,959 --> 00:22:05,918 In the summer of 1965 around 70 families 361 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,417 made the trip out to mendocino county 362 00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:11,083 and ultimately settling 363 00:22:11,167 --> 00:22:15,334 in the little Hamlet of redwood valley. 364 00:22:15,417 --> 00:22:18,209 The first thing that I recognized 365 00:22:18,292 --> 00:22:24,250 was that some guy arrived with three busloads of people. 366 00:22:24,334 --> 00:22:27,959 There were mixed families, and we hadn't had that. 367 00:22:28,042 --> 00:22:31,042 Shell shock, totally different because it was all white people. 368 00:22:31,125 --> 00:22:33,667 What Jones never factored in 369 00:22:33,751 --> 00:22:36,083 was it's pretty much redneck-white country, 370 00:22:36,167 --> 00:22:39,751 and they will not welcome peoples temple with open arms, 371 00:22:39,834 --> 00:22:41,375 and he gets there and essentially 372 00:22:41,459 --> 00:22:43,709 has to start rebuilding again. 373 00:22:43,792 --> 00:22:45,584 They went out and got good jobs. 374 00:22:45,667 --> 00:22:48,083 They contributed to the community. 375 00:22:48,167 --> 00:22:50,167 They seemed to care about the people 376 00:22:50,250 --> 00:22:53,417 that were having problems. 377 00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:57,292 Jones does in redwood valley what he did in Indianapolis. 378 00:22:57,375 --> 00:22:59,375 He begins to meet with local officials 379 00:22:59,459 --> 00:23:01,125 and to make a name for himself. 380 00:23:01,209 --> 00:23:06,792 He came to my office when I was running for local schoolboard. 381 00:23:06,876 --> 00:23:10,709 He told me that I wasn't going to have any problem 382 00:23:10,792 --> 00:23:15,375 getting elected to the position, because I was being supported 383 00:23:15,459 --> 00:23:20,042 by the peoples temple and would I like to join? 384 00:23:20,125 --> 00:23:23,918 Peoples temple began to attract a new middle 385 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,626 and upper-middle-class contingent of whites. 386 00:23:28,709 --> 00:23:30,167 There were real estate brokers. 387 00:23:30,250 --> 00:23:32,667 There were lawyers. There were social workers. 388 00:23:32,751 --> 00:23:34,000 There were accountants. 389 00:23:38,918 --> 00:23:40,626 Boy, when he got up on... 390 00:23:40,709 --> 00:23:46,042 He could just off the cuff preach and light you up. 391 00:23:46,125 --> 00:23:48,209 He really could. 392 00:23:59,959 --> 00:24:03,709 California at that time in the mid-'60s, 393 00:24:03,792 --> 00:24:07,626 the culture was ripe for disenfranchised 394 00:24:07,709 --> 00:24:09,542 and a disillusioned people, 395 00:24:09,626 --> 00:24:13,792 anti-war, Vietnam, anti-government. 396 00:24:13,876 --> 00:24:16,584 I came out in march of 1970. 397 00:24:16,667 --> 00:24:21,250 People thought that Jim Jones had kind of a socialist group. 398 00:24:21,334 --> 00:24:23,542 He was a minister, but he would talk from the pulpit 399 00:24:23,626 --> 00:24:27,834 about how he had spoken to Angela Davis or Cesar Chavez. 400 00:24:27,918 --> 00:24:30,209 He was one of the first ones to say, 401 00:24:30,292 --> 00:24:32,000 you know, you could be gay or straight, 402 00:24:32,083 --> 00:24:34,667 and so in many ways he was out front 403 00:24:34,751 --> 00:24:38,792 in being vocal about human rights. 404 00:24:38,876 --> 00:24:41,667 I first met Jones in Seattle, Washington. 405 00:24:41,751 --> 00:24:44,918 I was living there with my wife, Cheryl. 406 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,918 We were an interracial couple, 407 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,751 estranged from our families, and we were embraced. 408 00:24:50,834 --> 00:24:52,250 It was warm. It was welcoming. 409 00:24:52,334 --> 00:24:53,667 It was interracial. 410 00:24:53,751 --> 00:24:56,375 There was all different kinds of people there. 411 00:24:56,459 --> 00:24:57,709 I moved in with nothing. 412 00:24:57,792 --> 00:25:00,125 I had no money, so Jim took me in, 413 00:25:00,209 --> 00:25:02,792 gave me housing and everything, and I lived communally. 414 00:25:02,876 --> 00:25:04,959 I turned in my paycheck. 415 00:25:06,959 --> 00:25:09,751 As his membership grows, Jones begins to demand more 416 00:25:09,834 --> 00:25:12,959 when it comes to tithing, 10 percent, then 20 percent. 417 00:25:13,042 --> 00:25:15,918 It really is the end of a traditional ministry, 418 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,792 and it starts to move in the direction of becoming a cult. 419 00:25:18,876 --> 00:25:23,167 Cults will often ask members to give over their money, 420 00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:27,918 their paychecks, their houses, the cars to the cause, 421 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,459 and, of course, the more you surrender to the group, 422 00:25:31,542 --> 00:25:34,042 the more the group identity takes over. 423 00:25:34,125 --> 00:25:36,876 There was definitely a call for conformity 424 00:25:36,959 --> 00:25:39,167 immediately upon coming to the temple. 425 00:25:39,250 --> 00:25:40,709 You got your hair cut. 426 00:25:40,792 --> 00:25:43,167 You were supposed to dress a certain way. 427 00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:47,042 You're... basically, whatever persona you had 428 00:25:47,125 --> 00:25:49,709 before you came to the temple was molded 429 00:25:49,792 --> 00:25:53,250 into a kind of a cookie-cutter appearance. 430 00:25:53,334 --> 00:25:57,959 It's really about separating people from their past lives 431 00:25:58,042 --> 00:26:02,626 to this control of their thoughts and their feelings. 432 00:26:02,709 --> 00:26:06,042 Jones began to warn his group about outsiders. 433 00:26:06,125 --> 00:26:08,500 It became sort of an us versus them. 434 00:26:08,584 --> 00:26:11,751 Us against them would create fear in us, 435 00:26:11,834 --> 00:26:15,209 and that's the way a raging ego thinks. 436 00:26:15,292 --> 00:26:17,417 "If you don't agree with me, you're against me. 437 00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:20,125 If you're against me, you're the enemy." 438 00:26:20,209 --> 00:26:22,918 This community became tighter, more suspicious, 439 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,334 more dedicated to the cause. 440 00:26:25,417 --> 00:26:26,876 There were 60 or 70 of us 441 00:26:26,959 --> 00:26:28,959 who were on the planning commission, 442 00:26:29,042 --> 00:26:32,000 and we'd stay up all night, like, every Wednesday night. 443 00:26:32,083 --> 00:26:35,500 There were services on Wednesday nights, 444 00:26:35,584 --> 00:26:38,584 Friday nights, Saturday, Sunday. 445 00:26:38,667 --> 00:26:41,959 You, as an adult, were not to fall asleep during the service. 446 00:26:42,042 --> 00:26:43,375 Then it got to be status. 447 00:26:43,459 --> 00:26:44,918 "Well, how much sleep did you have last night?" 448 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,000 "Two hours." 449 00:26:46,083 --> 00:26:47,626 "Well, I only had an hour and 45." 450 00:26:47,709 --> 00:26:51,334 So, it got so that, to show how dedicated you were, 451 00:26:51,417 --> 00:26:53,792 you got less and less and less sleep, 452 00:26:53,876 --> 00:26:56,459 which really fit right into Jim's plan. 453 00:26:56,542 --> 00:27:00,167 Another universal manipulation by cult leaders 454 00:27:00,250 --> 00:27:03,250 to do mind control is sleep deprivation. 455 00:27:03,334 --> 00:27:06,626 Their critical faculties are not going to be functioning. 456 00:27:06,709 --> 00:27:09,000 Their memory is going to be impaired. 457 00:27:09,083 --> 00:27:11,500 Their immune systems will break down. 458 00:27:11,584 --> 00:27:12,834 One of Jim's secretaries, 459 00:27:12,918 --> 00:27:15,500 he told her that if you keep people tired 460 00:27:15,584 --> 00:27:18,959 and you keep them poor, nobody will ever leave. 461 00:27:19,042 --> 00:27:20,709 Jim Jones' rules became stricter. 462 00:27:20,792 --> 00:27:24,626 He began to monitor everything from a person's romantic lives 463 00:27:24,709 --> 00:27:26,792 to the type of food they were eating. 464 00:27:32,959 --> 00:27:34,334 And when anyone broke a rule, 465 00:27:34,417 --> 00:27:36,959 there was a public accounting of their sins. 466 00:27:37,042 --> 00:27:39,751 One woman wrote him a love letter saying, 467 00:27:39,834 --> 00:27:41,167 "I love you. 468 00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:43,792 I want to be with you. I will always follow you." 469 00:27:43,876 --> 00:27:46,584 She was very enamored of Jim Jones 470 00:27:46,667 --> 00:27:49,209 and was bothering him about it, 471 00:27:49,292 --> 00:27:51,250 so at one of the planning commission meetings, 472 00:27:51,334 --> 00:27:53,542 he ordered her to strip naked. 473 00:27:55,459 --> 00:27:56,834 He said, "look at you. 474 00:27:56,918 --> 00:27:59,667 Why would I ever be attracted to you anyway?" 475 00:27:59,751 --> 00:28:03,375 He led the group in mocking her body 476 00:28:03,459 --> 00:28:06,417 and then made her sit naked even longer 477 00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:09,083 before he finally allowed her to dress herself. 478 00:28:09,167 --> 00:28:10,834 He just completely demeaned her. 479 00:28:10,918 --> 00:28:13,125 And then the next day, she wrote him a note 480 00:28:13,209 --> 00:28:16,459 apologizing for having done the terrible things 481 00:28:16,542 --> 00:28:18,500 that made him do that. 482 00:28:18,584 --> 00:28:21,500 It's sending a message to everyone else. 483 00:28:21,584 --> 00:28:24,292 "You better tow the line and do what we tell you. 484 00:28:24,375 --> 00:28:27,500 Otherwise it could be you next." 485 00:28:27,584 --> 00:28:30,834 I thought, "this man who's supposed to be so loving, 486 00:28:30,918 --> 00:28:36,876 how could he look at her and say the things that he said," 487 00:28:36,959 --> 00:28:38,542 you know, "about her?" 488 00:28:38,626 --> 00:28:41,292 I mean, it was so cruel. 489 00:28:41,375 --> 00:28:43,584 It's like being in a relationship 490 00:28:43,667 --> 00:28:46,417 and being in love and everything's wonderful 491 00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:48,876 and it's good, and then you notice, 492 00:28:48,959 --> 00:28:51,000 "well, there's something that's not quite right," 493 00:28:51,083 --> 00:28:53,459 but you ignore it because you're in love 494 00:28:53,542 --> 00:28:55,626 and you want the dream. 495 00:28:58,292 --> 00:29:00,417 There were a couple of times, and more than once, 496 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:04,834 me walking in on him with a man or a woman, you know, in bed. 497 00:29:04,918 --> 00:29:09,209 He is, in a sense, now a sexual predator. 498 00:29:16,959 --> 00:29:21,000 Now... now with each of you 499 00:29:21,083 --> 00:29:23,083 giving a fond embrace, 500 00:29:23,167 --> 00:29:26,959 let's fill this atmosphere with warmth and love. 501 00:29:27,042 --> 00:29:31,417 By 1972, Jones' ministry had expanded into Los Angeles 502 00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:32,709 and San Francisco, 503 00:29:32,792 --> 00:29:35,459 and it had really become the poster boy 504 00:29:35,542 --> 00:29:37,542 for community engagement. 505 00:29:37,626 --> 00:29:41,083 The church was bringing in more educated and affluent members, 506 00:29:41,167 --> 00:29:43,375 people who were really looking for the equal life 507 00:29:43,459 --> 00:29:45,292 that he had promised. 508 00:29:45,375 --> 00:29:50,292 Jim Jones becomes the darling of the glitterati. 509 00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:53,417 Jane Fonda writes him fan letters, 510 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,459 and then all the popular revolutionaries at the time, 511 00:29:56,542 --> 00:30:00,751 like Angela Davis, now they're coming to the meetings. 512 00:30:00,834 --> 00:30:05,083 He's building what he couldn't build in Indianapolis, 513 00:30:05,167 --> 00:30:08,834 which is not just a religious empire but political clout. 514 00:30:08,918 --> 00:30:12,834 During a close election, our votes could make a difference. 515 00:30:12,918 --> 00:30:18,125 We had met rosalynn Carter, the mayor, city council, 516 00:30:18,209 --> 00:30:21,167 legislators, lieutenant governor. 517 00:30:21,250 --> 00:30:26,542 They all came through our doors and to court our vote. 518 00:30:26,626 --> 00:30:30,751 And it was amazing that this man could get 519 00:30:30,834 --> 00:30:37,417 into a community and influence intelligent people. 520 00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:39,667 That's really scary. 521 00:30:39,751 --> 00:30:43,584 He was appointed by the mayor to be on the housing authority, 522 00:30:43,667 --> 00:30:46,167 which runs public housing in the city. 523 00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:47,751 He was made president. 524 00:30:47,834 --> 00:30:51,250 I was the city hall reporter for the "San Francisco chronicle." 525 00:30:51,334 --> 00:30:52,751 I went to the meetings. 526 00:30:52,834 --> 00:30:56,417 He would show up and fill this fairly small meeting room 527 00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,542 with all of his folks. 528 00:30:58,626 --> 00:31:02,042 Anything he would do would get this thunderous ovation. 529 00:31:03,792 --> 00:31:06,417 Jones understands that power comes from numbers, 530 00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:08,792 and he's really trying to bring in new people 531 00:31:08,876 --> 00:31:11,042 from all walks of life. 532 00:31:11,125 --> 00:31:13,334 I was in Los Angeles at the time, 533 00:31:13,417 --> 00:31:15,250 and Jim was at an auditorium 534 00:31:15,334 --> 00:31:17,083 where he was holding his meetings, 535 00:31:17,167 --> 00:31:19,375 and I went up there with my daughter, 536 00:31:19,459 --> 00:31:21,709 and I thought, "okay, I'll sit here for a few minutes." 537 00:31:21,792 --> 00:31:25,459 Jim was talking about people in bad relationships, 538 00:31:25,542 --> 00:31:27,792 and what he said was that women 539 00:31:27,876 --> 00:31:31,584 shouldn't have to put up with that. 540 00:31:39,709 --> 00:31:41,000 And that kind of hooked me. 541 00:31:41,083 --> 00:31:43,626 I thought, "oh, okay, a man's saying this." 542 00:31:43,709 --> 00:31:45,125 He's a chameleon. 543 00:31:45,209 --> 00:31:48,918 He can see what he needs to be and he becomes that. 544 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,209 He said that all women should be treated equally, 545 00:31:51,292 --> 00:31:54,083 but he really didn't practice what he preached. 546 00:31:54,167 --> 00:31:55,667 Marceline has her back give out. 547 00:31:55,751 --> 00:31:59,959 She's completely unable to satisfy Jim sexually. 548 00:32:00,042 --> 00:32:02,042 He announces to their children that, 549 00:32:02,125 --> 00:32:04,209 since mom can't do this for him anymore, 550 00:32:04,292 --> 00:32:06,125 he's going to have to have someone else. 551 00:32:06,209 --> 00:32:11,709 He began engaging in sexual relations with other people. 552 00:32:11,792 --> 00:32:17,167 The most famous instance of that is Carolyn Moore Layton. 553 00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:19,167 When I was still a boy, maybe 10, 554 00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:22,250 I met a woman that was strange to me. 555 00:32:22,334 --> 00:32:24,167 Her name was Carolyn Layton, 556 00:32:24,250 --> 00:32:28,250 and we spent the evening with them. 557 00:32:28,334 --> 00:32:29,626 We had dinner. 558 00:32:29,709 --> 00:32:33,959 It was clear to me dad was just lit up by her. 559 00:32:34,042 --> 00:32:35,584 I was put on a sofa that night, 560 00:32:35,667 --> 00:32:37,500 and they were in the very next room, 561 00:32:37,584 --> 00:32:40,042 and I heard, you know, what was going on in there. 562 00:32:40,125 --> 00:32:41,334 I had no idea what it was. 563 00:32:41,417 --> 00:32:43,000 At first, I thought it was animals, 564 00:32:43,083 --> 00:32:47,417 the sounds I was hearing, and then I realized it was them. 565 00:33:03,709 --> 00:33:07,000 Those with the faith really loved marceline, 566 00:33:07,083 --> 00:33:09,959 and she was... She was really a sweet person. 567 00:33:10,042 --> 00:33:13,167 If it turns out that Jim is being unfaithful to her, 568 00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:15,417 that's going to hurt him with some of his followers, 569 00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:20,000 and he knows it, so you've got to keep up this charade 570 00:33:20,083 --> 00:33:22,542 that marceline is a coequal partner. 571 00:33:22,626 --> 00:33:26,584 Mom never lost her grace, but life in the temple 572 00:33:26,667 --> 00:33:29,918 as the wife of Jim Jones certainly wore her down. 573 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,334 Marceline is a tragic figure. 574 00:33:32,417 --> 00:33:36,334 We ask ourselves, was she also his great enabler? 575 00:33:36,417 --> 00:33:38,542 In some ways she was. 576 00:33:38,626 --> 00:33:43,292 That was a time where you stand by and slightly behind your man. 577 00:33:43,375 --> 00:33:45,542 He wasn't going to let her off the hook 578 00:33:45,626 --> 00:33:48,542 because you couldn't leave Jim Jones. 579 00:33:48,626 --> 00:33:51,834 Most members were unaware of Jim Jones' infidelity, 580 00:33:51,918 --> 00:33:54,500 but he had bigger problems to worry about 581 00:33:54,584 --> 00:33:57,250 that were very difficult to hide. 582 00:33:57,334 --> 00:34:02,709 He turns to drugs, and Jones becomes a habitual user 583 00:34:02,792 --> 00:34:06,250 and, frankly, addicted to drugs. 584 00:34:06,334 --> 00:34:07,709 Trouble sleeping, you take some pills. 585 00:34:07,792 --> 00:34:09,417 Trouble waking up, you take some more. 586 00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:11,667 Dark glasses all the time; Indoors, outdoors, 587 00:34:11,751 --> 00:34:13,292 night or day. 588 00:34:13,375 --> 00:34:15,542 With the increase in use in drugs 589 00:34:15,626 --> 00:34:17,375 comes something else. 590 00:34:17,459 --> 00:34:22,584 He is less circumspect about some of his own moral behavior. 591 00:34:22,667 --> 00:34:27,709 He begins having sex with members of his congregation, 592 00:34:27,792 --> 00:34:30,125 mostly young women who feel honored 593 00:34:30,209 --> 00:34:34,167 that father is sharing this with them, and sometimes with men. 594 00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:37,000 It turns out he's bisexual and has been all his life, 595 00:34:37,083 --> 00:34:39,792 but he is, in a sense, now a sexual predator. 596 00:34:39,876 --> 00:34:41,584 Dad's message to anybody he was sexual with 597 00:34:41,667 --> 00:34:45,500 was because they needed it or they coerced him to do it, 598 00:34:45,584 --> 00:34:47,584 but it was always a great burden for him 599 00:34:47,667 --> 00:34:51,417 to be sexual with someone, and I knew that was a lie. 600 00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:56,125 He was basically just really exploiting people sexually. 601 00:34:56,209 --> 00:35:00,250 Power, money, and sex seems to be the universal 602 00:35:00,334 --> 00:35:03,500 of what cult leaders are going after. 603 00:35:03,584 --> 00:35:04,792 Like all drug addicts, 604 00:35:04,876 --> 00:35:07,584 particularly the ones who use speed, 605 00:35:07,667 --> 00:35:11,334 that just increases his personal paranoia. 606 00:35:11,417 --> 00:35:14,250 Jones' paranoia will prove to be very dangerous 607 00:35:14,334 --> 00:35:15,918 to members of the peoples temple. 608 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,459 There was a shot, and he fell to the ground. 609 00:35:20,542 --> 00:35:22,918 Everybody was screaming and running. 610 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,083 "Father's been shot! Father's been shot!" 611 00:35:46,292 --> 00:35:51,083 In 1972, when Jim was doing a service up in redwood valley, 612 00:35:51,167 --> 00:35:53,250 he was out walking on the grounds. 613 00:35:53,334 --> 00:35:57,709 And so at the lunch break, Jim Jones is out mingling, 614 00:35:57,792 --> 00:36:00,542 as he likes to do, and everyone else is eating. 615 00:36:00,626 --> 00:36:05,584 There was a shot, and he fell to the ground. 616 00:36:05,667 --> 00:36:07,584 Everybody was screaming and running. 617 00:36:07,667 --> 00:36:09,918 His chief lieutenants, who were screaming, 618 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,417 "father's been shot! Father's been shot!" 619 00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:15,417 And everyone jumps up and is looking. 620 00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:18,250 "Where did the shot come from?" 621 00:36:18,334 --> 00:36:22,000 Jim Jones is gently picked up by his followers 622 00:36:22,083 --> 00:36:23,250 and taken into his house, 623 00:36:23,334 --> 00:36:26,042 which is right by the church, to die. 624 00:36:26,125 --> 00:36:27,918 Everybody else went back inside. 625 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,667 It felt like we were kind of sheltered. 626 00:36:29,751 --> 00:36:32,709 And everyone waits. 627 00:36:32,792 --> 00:36:34,083 "Father is going to be dead." 628 00:36:34,167 --> 00:36:37,792 They're waiting for this terrible word, 629 00:36:37,876 --> 00:36:42,876 and instead, in walks Jim Jones just fine, 630 00:36:42,959 --> 00:36:44,626 wearing a different shirt. 631 00:36:44,709 --> 00:36:46,459 He showed his shirt. 632 00:36:46,542 --> 00:36:51,042 It had blood and a bullet hole where he said he had been shot, 633 00:36:51,125 --> 00:36:54,459 and he said he had healed himself. 634 00:36:58,542 --> 00:37:00,459 - That's right! - That's right! 635 00:37:00,542 --> 00:37:03,459 And he opens his shirt so you can look at his chest 636 00:37:03,542 --> 00:37:08,500 and see that there's no wound, just some little sort of dent. 637 00:37:08,584 --> 00:37:10,626 But the minute I saw that, I knew, 638 00:37:10,709 --> 00:37:12,250 "okay, something's up here." 639 00:37:12,334 --> 00:37:13,959 Because I no longer believed he had the power 640 00:37:14,042 --> 00:37:17,250 to completely make a bullet wound go away. 641 00:37:17,334 --> 00:37:19,250 You're just totally full of it at this point. 642 00:37:19,334 --> 00:37:22,375 He created this myth that you didn't have to believe 643 00:37:22,459 --> 00:37:25,292 everything he did because part of it was for drama. 644 00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:33,584 - Yes! - Yeah! 645 00:37:33,667 --> 00:37:36,042 As to why they faked that shooting, 646 00:37:36,125 --> 00:37:39,334 he was now supremely the center of attention. 647 00:37:39,417 --> 00:37:44,250 He was elated because he saw how distraught everyone was 648 00:37:44,334 --> 00:37:47,125 when they thought they had lost him. 649 00:37:47,209 --> 00:37:49,542 Even if the danger to him had been faked, 650 00:37:49,626 --> 00:37:53,667 it began to feel very real to the people who had crossed him. 651 00:37:53,751 --> 00:37:55,667 And it was 1 in the morning, 652 00:37:55,751 --> 00:37:57,167 and I was in planning commission, 653 00:37:57,250 --> 00:37:59,209 and I kept nodding off. 654 00:37:59,292 --> 00:38:02,334 Finally, somebody shook me and said, "Laura," woke me up, 655 00:38:02,417 --> 00:38:05,500 and Jim was pointing a gun at me, 656 00:38:05,584 --> 00:38:11,375 and he said, "Laura, if you nod off one more time, 657 00:38:11,459 --> 00:38:14,125 I'm going to shoot you." 658 00:38:14,209 --> 00:38:15,709 For some members, the theatrics, 659 00:38:15,792 --> 00:38:18,751 the erratic behavior had worn thin. 660 00:38:18,834 --> 00:38:21,626 I thought, "no, I... this is not for me. 661 00:38:21,709 --> 00:38:23,334 This is just not for me." 662 00:38:23,417 --> 00:38:28,334 I left April of '76, so I was out. 663 00:38:28,417 --> 00:38:29,626 I was done. 664 00:38:29,709 --> 00:38:34,292 Any defection to Jim Jones was a big loss. 665 00:38:34,375 --> 00:38:37,334 Dad was obsessed with loyalty, for sure. 666 00:38:37,417 --> 00:38:40,542 There was a part of dad always that knew he was running a game. 667 00:38:40,626 --> 00:38:42,584 Perhaps the biggest loss for Jones 668 00:38:42,667 --> 00:38:45,834 were the defections of grace and Tim stoen. 669 00:38:45,918 --> 00:38:50,250 Tim stoen was the attorney for peoples temple. 670 00:38:50,334 --> 00:38:52,459 Grace was Tim's estranged wife, 671 00:38:52,542 --> 00:38:56,292 but she had become one of Jones' high-profile lovers 672 00:38:56,375 --> 00:38:57,626 within the church. 673 00:38:57,709 --> 00:39:00,417 Grace stoen had had a child. 674 00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:01,751 Somewhere along the way, 675 00:39:01,834 --> 00:39:05,292 it was corroborated that that child, John stoen, 676 00:39:05,375 --> 00:39:09,876 was sired by my father. 677 00:39:09,959 --> 00:39:12,042 Jones insisted the child stay with him. 678 00:39:12,125 --> 00:39:13,834 It was a way to stay in control, 679 00:39:13,918 --> 00:39:17,417 even as things were deteriorating around him. 680 00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:20,709 Grace and other defectors began talking to members of the media 681 00:39:20,792 --> 00:39:23,209 about what was taking place at the temple. 682 00:39:23,292 --> 00:39:25,459 Found some folks who had left the church 683 00:39:25,542 --> 00:39:27,792 because they were unhappy, 684 00:39:27,876 --> 00:39:30,375 and they said that the church takes everybody's money, 685 00:39:30,459 --> 00:39:33,000 that the church overworks its people, 686 00:39:33,083 --> 00:39:35,918 that the church beats up or humiliates people 687 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,792 who get out of line, like us. 688 00:39:37,876 --> 00:39:39,250 It's really kind of a snake pit. 689 00:39:39,334 --> 00:39:43,500 It's not this warm and fuzzy social-action group 690 00:39:43,584 --> 00:39:45,667 that it purports to be. 691 00:39:47,792 --> 00:39:50,250 Yes! 692 00:39:50,334 --> 00:39:54,000 Jones wanted to test the loyalty of his planning commission. 693 00:39:54,083 --> 00:39:56,083 These are the people that are really supposed 694 00:39:56,167 --> 00:40:00,083 to be most with him, and one night in San Francisco, 695 00:40:00,167 --> 00:40:01,834 at a planning commission meeting, 696 00:40:01,918 --> 00:40:04,250 Jones announces there's a treat. 697 00:40:04,334 --> 00:40:06,792 "Everyone have a cup of wine." 698 00:40:06,876 --> 00:40:09,334 We never had any refreshments at planning commission. 699 00:40:09,417 --> 00:40:13,500 We usually just go there and sit and listen, so we all drank it. 700 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:22,375 And when everyone's done, he announces it's poison. 701 00:40:22,459 --> 00:40:27,042 It's lethal, and they're all going to die within 45 minutes. 702 00:40:27,125 --> 00:40:30,626 He said, "we're going to commit revolutionary suicide." 703 00:40:30,709 --> 00:40:32,250 And some of them are crying. 704 00:40:32,334 --> 00:40:34,042 You know, "I don't want to die. I don't want to die." 705 00:40:34,125 --> 00:40:38,334 At exactly 45 minutes, Jim Jones announces there was no poison. 706 00:40:38,417 --> 00:40:39,959 Everybody's fine. 707 00:40:40,042 --> 00:40:43,375 He was testing us to see how that was going to play. 708 00:40:43,459 --> 00:40:46,125 If he had handed out poison to people, 709 00:40:46,209 --> 00:40:49,292 were people going to just trust and drink it? 710 00:40:49,375 --> 00:40:52,042 I never believed dad would go through with it. 711 00:40:52,125 --> 00:40:54,209 I thought it was a big game for him 712 00:40:54,292 --> 00:40:55,584 and he was testing loyalty 713 00:40:55,667 --> 00:40:59,792 and just creating drama, which fed him in a way. 714 00:40:59,876 --> 00:41:04,209 Of course, looking back, you see it was grooming us 715 00:41:04,292 --> 00:41:07,083 for what was going to happen on November 18th. 716 00:41:12,167 --> 00:41:14,125 That was the call of death. 717 00:41:27,292 --> 00:41:29,500 Jim Jones was at a crossroads. 718 00:41:29,584 --> 00:41:32,626 By the mid-1970s, California politicians 719 00:41:32,709 --> 00:41:34,667 knew him as an influential minister 720 00:41:34,751 --> 00:41:36,792 capable of swinging an election. 721 00:41:36,876 --> 00:41:39,584 To most of his followers, he was a godlike presence 722 00:41:39,667 --> 00:41:42,918 that controlled nearly every aspect of their lives, 723 00:41:43,042 --> 00:41:45,375 but Jones was now addicted to drugs, 724 00:41:45,459 --> 00:41:47,459 sexually abusing church members, 725 00:41:47,542 --> 00:41:50,375 and defectors were starting to talk to the press. 726 00:41:50,459 --> 00:41:52,918 Jim Jones was losing control of himself, 727 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,959 his family and his followers, but Jones had a plan, 728 00:41:57,042 --> 00:41:59,250 one that would horrify the world. 729 00:41:59,334 --> 00:42:01,584 Next time on "very scary people," 730 00:42:01,667 --> 00:42:05,459 the final terrifying days of the peoples temple. 731 00:42:05,542 --> 00:42:06,834 I'm Donnie wahlberg. 732 00:42:06,918 --> 00:42:09,000 Thanks for watching. 58917

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