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previously on Dark Side of the Ring.
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Sure, you can watch the Hollywood
Blondes, and we could have been a great
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team that had been left together.
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But if you can watch Flyer Bryan in his
total element, being the loose cannon,
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you're seeing one of the true, really,
really bright minds in the business of
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professional wrestling.
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What are you doing?
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Easy! He was on track to becoming the
biggest star in wrestling by convincing
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people that he was the only one that
wouldn't do what he was told.
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Have been fired by Eric Bischoff!
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Brian and I talked about it. I can't
give you what you want.
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Raise the value in your stock so that
when you come back, it'll give me the
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ability to pay you more because you've
raised your own value.
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Brian Pillman masterminded a cutting
-edge character the wrestling world had
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never seen.
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Playing the system at its own game, he
single -handedly turned the industry on
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its head.
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in order to manipulate his way to the
top.
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If he played one side against the other
in the middle of the burgeoning
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wrestling war, then he would come out
much better, six figures per year
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But did he want it for himself? He
didn't care about himself.
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He cared about those little kids.
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Lost inside his manic performance art,
Bryan's real life spirals out of
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He was dependent on to provide for
several different mothers and families,
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think that does weigh on a man.
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A tragic turn of events would not only
alter the course of Brian's career
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indefinitely, but also the lives of
those closest to him. I really believe
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it was not for the Humvee wreck that
everything would have turned out
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differently.
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Melanie called me.
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And she called to tell me that Brian had
an accident and it was bad.
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And he was airlifted to University
Hospital and was in the
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emergency room.
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So, again, I was the lucky one to go to
the hospital.
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And I thought, oh, Jesus, here we go
again.
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When I got to the hospital, I walked
right by the room.
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And then Linda's like, that's his road,
Melanie. I'm like, that's not my
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husband.
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He's like, I know. It doesn't look like
him, does it?
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And his hair was red with all the blood.
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And they hit him in the neck brace.
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I mean, his head was swelled up like a
beach ball.
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And I thought, oh, my God.
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It was really bad. His eyes were red.
Like, I didn't see any color than red.
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Like, blood. His eyes were just, ugh.
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He had six different doctors for his
face.
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There's one that just does the forehead,
the lower mandible, the upper mandible,
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the nose, the eye sockets.
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Everything in his face was shattered.
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They had to put plates in his face, and
they peeled his scalp back to make the
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incision and peeled his face down to put
the plates in.
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Word travels quickly that Brian has been
in a terrible car accident.
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And there's talk of him losing a foot.
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His ankle was shattered.
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In fact, the nurse told me that it was
just like hanging off the table. She had
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to pick it up to put it back on the
table.
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And then the doctor said, you know, that
they would have to just fuse it into a
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walking position that he wouldn't
probably be able to run or even wrestle
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I show up, and he goes, I said, don't
talk, Brian. It's all right.
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Hey, I'm with you. I'm with you.
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And he's got a titanium mask, and he's
got things holding his legs together.
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And once he kind of gained
consciousness, what was his reaction to
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I remember him crying in the hospital,
just saying, I really messed up. I
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messed up.
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Because he thought, you know, his career
was over.
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And I said, just be grateful you were by
yourself. There was no kids in the car.
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It'll be fine.
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But he was crying, saying, I really
messed up.
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So to the best of your knowledge, what
took place with the accident? What
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happened? What happened to Brian? Oh, he
fell asleep at the wheel. He had been
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up and he went and picked up some.
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of his medication and i guess it hit him
too soon before he got back to the
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house and yeah he just um drove into a
uh into a tree trunk off the side and it
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threw the humvee totaled the humvee was
there also maybe like was there
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substance issues no just a muscle
relaxer
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maybe a few pain pills
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Well, we are turning the microphone over
to you, sir. We don't need any police
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reports or doctor reports. Can you tell
us, in your own words, what happened?
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70 miles per hour, and I instantly
became evil Kniez.
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Shot up in the air, then proceeded to
come straight down, nose first, and
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luckily for me, I didn't have a seat
belt on because it shot me straight out,
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and I pierced the convertible top of
that vehicle with my head like a bullet.
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was shot out.
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50 feet away from the vehicle would end
up doing two end -over -end flips.
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Oh, my Lord.
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When he came home from the hospital, I
do remember him being in the living
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and I had a gift, and I wanted to give
it to him, and I was just terrified
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because I'm like, that's not my dad.
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I don't know who that is. You know, as a
child and seeing my father like that, I
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think it just kind of freaked me out a
little bit.
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I do have some small memories there of
just seeing those bolts and how they're
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just screwed into his leg. And I'm
thinking, what's going on here, you
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it's like, they look like they're
greased up, but it's like, not greased,
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it's like blood and like just, it's all
hardened. And it's just, oh, it was just
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a wild sight to see, you know, just some
rusty bolts sticking out of your dad's
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leg.
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Yeah, I just, I really remember him just
being like so exhausted.
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And run down.
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I was just too young to really
understand, like, what was really going
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him and, like, how ragged his life had
become.
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The loose cannon thing had gone so far
at this point that a lot of the guys
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convinced there was no wreck and it was
Brian working again. And they're just
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trying to figure out what the angle is.
How does he expect to get more money out
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of this or more attention out of this?
Or, you know, was it really a wreck? Or
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maybe he just ran his car off the road
and wrecked it to get, you know,
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publicity.
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He had created so much not only mystery
but confusion about himself that even
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the guys that were his friends weren't
exactly sure how to take him.
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Perhaps he would have done that for
attention.
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And then Kim, who would not work me, Kim
is just like, no, no, no, it's real.
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And I told people, it's real. And then,
you know, I think most people didn't
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believe me either.
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He was, you know, there's the Andy
Kaufman thing in him.
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Faking an auto accident, perhaps he
would have done that for attention.
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There was even at one point a rumor that
some of the wrestlers put out that he
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was having plastic surgery to look just
like Shawn Michaels so he could go into
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the World Wrestling Federation and be
the evil Shawn Michaels and fight him
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the title.
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Guys believed that because they thought
Brian was nuts.
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While the wrestling rumor mill is
speculating the authenticity of the
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media outlets also questioned Brian's
intentions.
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Brian, now you're not having plastic
surgery and, you know, going to go into
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WWF as Shawn Michaels' twin or
something. I don't know what goes on in
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online. Think about that statement. It's
preposterous, but just... Right now, I
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am the owner of four...
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steel, titanium plates bolted to my face
to hold everything together. I look
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like Brian Devin Pillman with a swollen
face and black eyes.
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I can look back, and Brian was pretty
honest with me most of the time, but the
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one where I know that he wasn't was
right after the accident. And Brian, you
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know, said like, oh yeah, the doctors
told me, you know, it's like, it's going
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to take a while, but I will be 100%. The
doctors have told me, and I know that
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the doctors told him the exact opposite.
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The wreck happened during the
negotiations.
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He kept it pretty quiet how badly he was
hurt.
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And if the real story of that wreck had
come out at that point, I don't think he
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would have got a contract from either
company. He could never again do
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physically what he had been able to do
before.
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And he didn't want anybody to know that.
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The object was to play Vince for money.
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And he did. Only he was...
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Near dead when he did.
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Vince signed him. And he signed him for
more money.
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Vince McMahon offers Brian a guaranteed
three -year contract.
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And although Eric Bischoff offers him
more money, his deal is subject to be
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renegotiated every three months.
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Brian knew at that point, because of the
extent of the injury, that if he had an
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out clause in a contract, that at some
point fairly early, it was going to get
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exercised.
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The events that have taken place in my
life just in the past eight weeks have
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really changed the future of my life.
And
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from going from a point not knowing if I
was going to live or not to standing
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here, signing a contract with the World
Wrestling Federation, it's a dream come
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true.
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What changed about Grime coming into our
company at that time?
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Well, he's not going to be able to
wrestle to any degree or even comparably
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what he was.
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Although Brian is still in
rehabilitation for his injuries, he
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the WWF in 1996 with the loose cannon
persona already in full force.
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There's Brian Tillman. What's he doing?
Brian Tillman, recently signing with the
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World Wrestling Federation.
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I just remember him coming in and I was
like, OK, let's see what he can do here
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in the land of, you know, WWF.
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They'll let you go out there and push
the envelope.
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But, you know, how strong is he? Can he
do it?
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And I would have if I was going to bet
on Brian, I'm like, oh, yeah, if he
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just get healed up, he's going to go
right to the top.
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I'm going to rape, pillage and plunder
this entire federation.
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When Brian came home, he still had an
IV.
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And he unhooked himself from the IV, go
do the show, and then come back and hook
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himself back up again.
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He had to do that because of work.
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So then it wasn't fun for him anymore.
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You know, I don't think he enjoyed it
anymore.
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You know, that was what I consider the
beginning of the end.
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As Brian Pillman continues to struggle
with his crippling injuries, an upcoming
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surgery keeps him out of any in -ring
action.
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To disguise this from fans, the WWF
devises a shocking storyline involving
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his old tag team partner.
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I needed to do something to get some
heat. We were in Cincinnati in his
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hometown, so...
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It's always great to attack somebody in
their hometown, especially him being in
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a compromised position.
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Steve and Brian were still friends, and
they still wanted to see each other
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succeed. Steve was still on his way up,
so we decided to put them together
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because we thought that they would enjoy
it, and at the same time, the people
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would enjoy it as well.
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I laid into him and started kicking the
hell out of him.
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I broke that cane on his ankle. That
brass duck had flew into the crowd.
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I stomped a mud hole in his ass and
walked it dry. That was a stiff beating
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gave him because it had to be. My
character was a vicious, cold -blooded
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was ruthless and remorseless.
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So had I not given him the beating that
I gave him, who would have cared?
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They cared about Brian because I hurt
his ass.
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He may have re -broken.
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He gets Brian Pillman down and he puts a
metal folding chair around the bad
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ankle and then stomps the seat of the
chair.
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And Brian screams, oh my God, he's re
-injured the ankle.
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There's a way you can do that. I won't
give away any secrets.
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But that was an excuse for Brian to have
continued problems with the ankle
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publicly on television. It became in the
industry known as Pillmanizing.
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A body part. Brian took that ass
whooping like a damn man. He knew what I
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do, and he sold it like a million bucks.
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In the midst of a TV ratings war with
WCW, Vince strives to produce
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edgier content to further capitalize on
the feud between Pillman and Austin.
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Somehow they decided, and I was not
consulted on this, but they decided that
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it would be a wonderful thing.
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If they did a remote from Brian
Pillman's house in Cincinnati... We are
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Austin is outside of Brian Pillman's
home!
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Steve Austin came to find him and staged
a home invasion on Monday Night Raw.
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Austin trying to get into the house of
Brian Pillman.
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Were you excited to do something that
felt so real and gritty at that time? I
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always wanted to do something that felt
real and gritty, especially something
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that's going to have the, you know,
the...
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The volume turned up, the testosterone,
the adrenaline turned up. I mean, hell,
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man, if you're just casually, if you're
not a wrestling fan and you're kind of
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just flipping channels and all of a
sudden you watch the 10 seconds of this
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thing, you're not going to change a
channel.
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Steve is a dead man walking because when
Austin 316 meets Pillman. Oh, my
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God. Oh,
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my God.
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All of a sudden, man, I start bashing in
that window with that woman of baseball
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bat. What the hell is that?
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And there's Melanie and they're just
shrieking.
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I remember Vince was like, all right,
we're going to have a phone call and y
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'all just wing it from there.
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Nothing like that had ever been done
before in wrestling. It was kind of
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groundbreaking, whether it was in a good
way or a bad way.
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People weren't ready for it. They
weren't ready for it.
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The reaction was pretty negative to it.
I mean, it was pretty darn negative.
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I didn't like it. I didn't like the idea
of, like, you know, using a gun. And it
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seemed going really extreme, but that's
the direction wrestling went.
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Oh, my God, he's back!
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That's Brian.
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You know, I don't know whose idea it
was.
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And how much input he had on the idea,
he never really told me that. But he was
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absolutely really into it. And they had
to apologize for it the next week
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because the gun thing, you know, Vince
had to actually go on television and
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apologize for that angle because it got
so much negativity.
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And on behalf of the World Wrestling
Federation, for those of you who were
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offended, those viewers, we humbly
apologize for the incident that took
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last Monday night on Raw.
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And I think that's the only angle Vince
ever apologized for.
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The donut's here at ringside.
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While still recovering from the car
wreck, Pillman is temporarily sidelined
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broadcast announcer.
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Yeah, I'm going to cut through all your
implicit rhetoric and cut right to the
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chase. Tell them like it is. And hey, if
the censors don't like it, you're going
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to get fired. Not me. I'm Brian Pillman.
I'll just go somewhere else and feed
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people up.
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He looked at being an announcer as a
condemn.
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It was less than. It's not being a man.
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When I said, Look, you can make a great
living.
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You can take care of your health.
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He didn't want to hear it.
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The only thing he wanted to hear was me
to encourage him that you could come
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back and be what you were for really,
really close to it.
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And I never told him because I've been
lying.
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You know, the competitor in him wanted
just to get back in the ring and work.
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was working matches, but he was in a lot
of pain.
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The former Cincinnati Bengals had two
major surgeries on his leg. Even though
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was able to sometimes have decent
matches, just because he was smart
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know how, and he would fall on his face,
do things that were dangerous in a
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different way, but not hurt the body
parts that were hurt. It was really sad
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watch. He wasn't the same at all.
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Brian needed to stay medicated more
often than he should because of the pain
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was in.
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Because he was doing things.
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that he shouldn't have been doing.
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He made it through because he'd say, oh,
I'm okay. I'm good. I'm fine.
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He wasn't fine.
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Consistently performing well beyond what
his body can handle, Brian's dependency
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on painkillers and the pressure to
provide for his family is pushing him to
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point of no return.
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While rushing through recovery, Brian
Pillman hampers any progress on his
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injuries by choosing to still perform in
the ring, which results in his pain
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becoming all -consuming.
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The only thing Brian ever told me was
that if he had an ache or pain, he took
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pill. He said if it didn't go away, he
took another one.
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And he took a pill until it went away.
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He was sick, physically sick.
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with infection in his ankle because he
was going to shows and not recouping it
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properly.
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I would talk to guys in WWF, and they
would tell me how he couldn't get
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the airport.
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You know what I mean? He couldn't walk
through the airport, and he's out there
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taking bumps in a wrestling ring. It's
like he cannot walk through the airport.
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I'd see him kind of walk around with his
suitcase, and he wasn't moving so well.
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But Brian is one of those guys that,
like a man's man, you just figure,
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it is, Brian's got it. He's Brian
Feldman.
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You know, I could have seen the writing
on the wall, but because of the regard
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that I held him in, I thought it was
going to be just fine.
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When you have wrestlers that are missing
shows or obviously unable to perform
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when they get there, then you know
you've got problems. It wasn't that
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with Brian.
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How were you able to tell where the
loose cannon ended and the real person
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began?
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How was your guys' relationship?
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We had some problems. We were having
problems because he kept wrecking rental
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cars. He was definitely, like, nodding
out at the wheel.
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He was definitely having issues.
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He acted as though he wasn't going to be
around much longer. He used to say
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things like... If anything happens to
me, make sure you move back to Atlanta
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don't stay up here if you're not
comfortable here. And make sure you find
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somebody so the kids have a father. I'm
like, why would you even say something
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like that?
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And then the next day he wrecked a
rental car.
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I had become a bit estranged from him
because he was tough.
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And one time he came to my house and he
had a big welt. You could see the hole.
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It was like, you know, the syringe. It
was a horse needle syringe that went in
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there. And it was growth hormone or
something.
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But he was up.
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He was like, he kept repeating himself.
And I said, this is it, Brian.
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I'll give you to 10 and get out of my
house. My kids are upstairs sleeping.
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Don't ever come here in this state.
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Oh, yeah, but I got to do that.
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I said,
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no, I can't. I'm sorry. Your friend
would get away from me right now.
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And he did.
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Some of his friends had come to me when
I was in charge of town relations and
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say that this was becoming a bigger
issue and I needed to intervene.
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And it was going to be tough because he
was not going to appreciate that
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intervention.
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I called the agent, lead agent. I said,
you know, I'm going to have a drug
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tester there tonight to test Philman.
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And I said, make sure it gets done.
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He felt like I had betrayed him. That's
what he told me.
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I can't believe you of all people would
betray me.
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And that you always had my back.
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You were always there for me.
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And now this.
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I said, Brian, I'm trying to save your
life.
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That's all I'm trying to do.
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And Brian just called me up, I hate Jim
Ross, why is he singling me out? Do you
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know how many guys in this company are
doing drugs?
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And he goes, they're not going to find
anything on me, nothing but my
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prescription pain pills.
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They're not going to find any illegal
drugs in me.
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And in fact, you know, the only thing
that they found in him was prescription
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pain drugs and steroids, which, you
know, in an extent, you know, I don't
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that that really counts for what they
were looking for.
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I had to lead Brian out of the path that
he was on.
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to no avail. I failed.
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I needed to convince him that he's so
talented that he was going to be a star
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in other areas of pro wrestling.
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I failed.
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In October of 1997, at the Kiel Center
in St. Louis, Missouri, Bryan is
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scheduled to compete at WWF's pay -per
-view event, Bad Blood.
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In those days, the call time for talent
at the pay -per -views was 1 o 'clock.
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And sometimes guys would be late,
oversleep, miss their flight, traffic,
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whatever. But by 5 o 'clock, everybody
was accounted for except for Brian.
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And that was egregiously late to be for
a pay -per -view. So Bruce Pritchard
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asked me, I'm in talent relations.
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He said, call, try to find where he
might be. Call the hotel where he stayed
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last night in Minneapolis, see what time
he checked out.
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I get on the phone, and boom, the guy
answers.
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I said, I'm with the World Wrestling
Federation. We're looking for one of our
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wrestlers. He stayed there last night,
Brian Pillman. Can you tell me what time
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he checked out?
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And the guy said, hold on a second. And
he put me on hold.
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Okay, is he checking his records?
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And he answered, he said, sir? I said,
yeah. He said, Mr. Pillman's dead.
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And the first flash that I had, what is
Brian doing now?
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I said, is this a rib?
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And the guy said, no, the police are
here now.
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I said, okay.
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So I told one of the production
assistants, I said, go get Bruce.
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And he said, oh, Bruce is busy. He's
doing that. I said, Brian is dead. Go
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Bruce.
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And Bruce came in and got on the phone,
and I just kind of walked off because I
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did not want to hear that news right
now. 23 years later, I didn't want to
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that news.
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On October 5th, 1997,
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Brian Pillman was found dead in his
hotel room in Bloomington, Minnesota.
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He was 35 years old.
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It's hard for me to still think about it
today and think of that heart of that
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athlete, that performer, stopping.
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Just doesn't seem believable.
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It almost didn't register with me
because I'm like, eh, Brian ain't dead.
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Because he couldn't die. If you knew
Brian, this force field of energy that
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was, I thought could never be stopped.
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I honestly thought that.
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State police showed up on the door and
said that he had to tell me that my
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husband was found deceased.
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As a kid already in the show business
world, I was thinking, like, is this
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Like, is he really dead? Like, no, he's
surely coming back. Like, I didn't even
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know what to think. I didn't even cry
when my dad died.
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And I just remember, like, my family,
we're all sitting on the bed, like,
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hugging each other and crying. And
everybody's crying. And I'm looking
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I'm like, where's the camera crew?
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It's got to be around here somewhere,
you know. I was like, all right, I'll
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the spot here. You know, we'll all just
hug and pretend we're sad. But then,
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like, reality set in. I'm like, oh,
shit, he's really not coming home. Like,
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holy crap.
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As a kid, that's just kind of what I
thought. I figured, you know what, he
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to work that day, and he decided to stay
there.
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The next night on Monday Night Raw, the
news of Brian's death is broadcast live.
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Yesterday afternoon, Brian Pillman...
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was found dead in a hotel room in
Bloomington, Minnesota.
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I remember when we told the bell ten
times. That was when I got emotional. I
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remember very emotional, and that's when
I was like, he's gone.
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He's gone.
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And then I remember talking to, I think,
Jim Roth. I said, hand the phone to
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Owen. And then Owen says, I don't know.
I don't know what happened.
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Then Vince got on the phone and he said,
do you want to talk on camera?
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And then I just thought, well, you know
what?
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With Brian, the show must go on.
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Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, in
suburban Cincinnati, the wife of Brian
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Pillman, Melanie Pillman. Melanie, thank
you so much for joining us tonight. I
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did say to Vince, please don't ask me
about drugs or anything like that
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I do not exactly know why he died yet.
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Brian, because of his injuries.
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I've had to take a great deal of
prescribed medicine.
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And that first thing he does is start
talking about pain pills. And then I'm
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like, that's good. It's all right. I
made like a really funny face. And I
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remember that the only clear part of
that interview, I can remember thinking,
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which is Moe was standing here so I
could smack him.
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Because he swore, he swore he wouldn't
say anything like leading down that
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direction until the death certificate
came out.
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I think all athletes to a degree.
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experienced a reliance on pain medicine.
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And, you know, I knew it was just a
matter of time before it happened to
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someone. And fortunately, it was my
husband.
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And I just want everyone to know that I
hate to wake up calls of some of
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you because it could be your husband
next or it could be you. And, you know,
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don't want to leave behind a bunch of
orphans.
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Like my husband did.
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I absolutely despised the grieving widow
interview.
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I didn't like it on a wrestling program.
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I was uncomfortable with it. I didn't
know why she had to go out there and
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to answer these questions that were
obviously meant to elicit tears and et
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cetera for television, say for good
television.
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I thought he should have sent her a
check for $100 ,000 and kept her ass off
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is what I thought.
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Have you had any opportunity to think
about what you now as a single parent
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do to support your five children?
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Vince, I don't even really know what day
it is, you know.
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So I don't know what I'm going to do.
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Yeah, and everybody's like, oh, that was
so horrible what you did to her. I
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barely remember it.
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I didn't really, I didn't really.
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Think about not doing it. But nobody
pressured me into it.
442
00:29:06,250 --> 00:29:07,250
I hated it.
443
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:13,930
I didn't want to relive and relive and
regurgitate and regurgitate this matter
444
00:29:13,930 --> 00:29:16,190
to pop a rating.
445
00:29:17,150 --> 00:29:19,450
And to me, that's what it's all about.
446
00:29:26,810 --> 00:29:28,750
And what was the official cause of
death?
447
00:29:31,780 --> 00:29:32,780
Heart disease.
448
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:37,160
And see, my father died of a massive
heart attack at 55.
449
00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:41,360
What were your memories of his funeral?
450
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,560
We got there early before people came in
because it was supposed to be family
451
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,560
and friends.
452
00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:51,080
And when we walked in there was a camera
crew there.
453
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,880
And I walked up to him and I said, who
are you?
454
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,380
And I said, you're not supposed to be
here.
455
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,240
They said, well, Melanie said we can't.
And I said, well, I'm Brian's sister,
456
00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:01,740
and I'm telling you, no, you can't.
457
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,320
And they left.
458
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,780
Did many wrestlers show up?
459
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:07,680
No.
460
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,440
Just Vince and Jim Ross were there.
461
00:30:14,940 --> 00:30:19,180
They had an open casket, and I knew then
it was going to be really tough.
462
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,440
There's the last time I saw him.
463
00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:25,940
That's the last time I would see Brian,
lying in a casket.
464
00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:28,820
And that was just gut -wrenching.
465
00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:30,640
Absolutely gut -wrenching.
466
00:30:31,620 --> 00:30:32,680
I just stared.
467
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:37,720
And I had memories floating back when I
was looking at the courts. I'm thinking,
468
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,060
this shouldn't be a part of my pro
wrestling career.
469
00:30:40,660 --> 00:30:44,280
This shouldn't be a part of my journey
in this crazy business.
470
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:50,960
And we shouldn't be burying a guy that's
this young and also a young family
471
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:51,960
around him.
472
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:57,650
At the very end, everyone's gone except
for, you know, a couple family members,
473
00:30:57,830 --> 00:31:01,690
and the little girls, they're kind of
running around, and they're not, like,
474
00:31:01,730 --> 00:31:02,509
crying or anything.
475
00:31:02,510 --> 00:31:05,530
They're just little kids, and they go,
we've got to say goodbye to Daddy, and
476
00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:08,190
they all run to the casket. Goodbye,
Daddy. Goodbye, Daddy.
477
00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:09,690
It's like, oh.
478
00:31:12,510 --> 00:31:17,010
And I think for me, I was just in
complete shock. I just, you know, I
479
00:31:17,010 --> 00:31:22,050
put it all together. I just couldn't
believe it because, like, I lost my mom
480
00:31:22,050 --> 00:31:26,030
now my dad, you know, and I was just a
lost little girl.
481
00:31:28,330 --> 00:31:30,190
What do you remember from that day?
482
00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:35,010
Going through the motions and pretending
I was still alive and I had a soul.
483
00:31:36,570 --> 00:31:38,970
I felt like I didn't know what to do.
484
00:31:41,230 --> 00:31:43,430
Right now, like, it's the same day
almost.
485
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:50,270
What do you mean? I mean, I can bring
myself back to that same pain in my
486
00:31:52,150 --> 00:31:55,590
If I let go too long, which I'm just
going to stop now, if that's okay for a
487
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:56,590
second.
488
00:32:00,940 --> 00:32:05,300
He had such an impact, such an influence
on so many people's lives. It had to
489
00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:09,580
have hurt everybody to see him go. It
had to have hurt everybody to lose him.
490
00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:14,080
But the person that hurt the most was
Melanie, was my mother. She dealt with
491
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,300
losing what was ultimately the love of
her life.
492
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:24,200
After Brian is laid to rest, his
children are jolted into their new
493
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,580
I never really had a problem with
Melanie until...
494
00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:33,310
My father passed and then, you know,
like her true character revealed itself.
495
00:32:37,270 --> 00:32:38,810
I spiraled out of control.
496
00:32:39,010 --> 00:32:40,790
I wasn't the best mother in the world.
497
00:32:41,070 --> 00:32:42,650
I always loved my kids.
498
00:32:43,950 --> 00:32:50,110
Up until this day, Melanie receives
royalties from my father's legacy, which
499
00:32:50,110 --> 00:32:52,350
have seen zero since.
500
00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:57,650
Oh, yeah, they said I was a gold digger,
too, and I spent all the money I ever
501
00:32:57,650 --> 00:32:59,790
got on crazy stuff.
502
00:33:00,830 --> 00:33:07,750
Some of it was spent on crazy stuff, but
not the way they... We stayed
503
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:11,410
at my dad's house for a while, and then
things got really bad, and we moved.
504
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,060
You know, running water would be turned
off all the time. Electric would be
505
00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:16,939
turned off.
506
00:33:16,940 --> 00:33:21,340
It's crazy how you go from having a
silver platter growing up to not even
507
00:33:21,340 --> 00:33:23,160
knowing when your next meal is going to
be.
508
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:29,560
It took a downward spiral. I mean,
there's no other way to put it. It got
509
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,480
and worse and worse and worse.
510
00:33:32,540 --> 00:33:36,080
Depressed a lot, sleeping a lot,
drinking too much.
511
00:33:36,860 --> 00:33:41,320
Brian found me on, passed out one time
and I almost died of alcohol poisoning.
512
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,520
He was like 12 and found me on the floor
with a bottle of vodka by my head.
513
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,280
No kid would have to see something like
that.
514
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,560
Craziness.
515
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,500
When my mother remarried and my
stepfather came into the picture, there
516
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:59,980
lot of drug abuse on the side of them,
and there was a lot of neglect.
517
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:05,040
My stepfather was very physically
abusive with my sister and myself.
518
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:09,650
I would be grounded to my room. Oh,
you're grounded for the next six months.
519
00:34:09,650 --> 00:34:14,630
know, I better not see you out of your
room. He had dogs more or less trained
520
00:34:14,630 --> 00:34:18,949
abuse me as well. And if I was grounded,
like these dogs would make sure I was
521
00:34:18,949 --> 00:34:19,949
kept in my room.
522
00:34:20,090 --> 00:34:23,150
Like they would bark at me and they
would bite me and they would physically
523
00:34:23,150 --> 00:34:27,050
keep me in my room because of how I was
verbally and physically abused by my
524
00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:32,449
stepdad. Like these dogs would adopt
that mentality of like attacking me.
525
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:45,540
And I was just so abused that my social,
developing socially was very hard for
526
00:34:45,540 --> 00:34:46,540
me.
527
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:53,620
And that's how, you know, nobody took
528
00:34:53,620 --> 00:34:55,659
me out to throw a baseball with me, you
know.
529
00:34:57,780 --> 00:35:03,900
Nobody took me out to throw a football,
you know. So I went to school. I didn't
530
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:05,180
know how to play sports, you know.
531
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,880
I wasn't very athletic, you know. So I
couldn't catch football.
532
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,160
Couldn't throw a baseball.
533
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:18,380
But I was big into games and video games
and stuff. And I had a GameCube. And
534
00:35:18,380 --> 00:35:22,520
eventually he caught on to that. My
stepdad would catch on to that shit.
535
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,300
unplug it. You know, he'd throw it
against the wall.
536
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,700
It's like everything I ever latched on
to or loved was taken away.
537
00:35:33,220 --> 00:35:35,980
It was hard. It was a hard time.
538
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,240
While Brian Jr.
539
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,880
and Brittany grow up with Melanie,
Danielle lives with her mother. As the
540
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,100
siblings drift apart, their Aunt Linda
takes action.
541
00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:54,480
At least once or twice a month, I would
get them together. And so they didn't
542
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:55,960
lose contact with each other.
543
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,920
She is literally everything.
544
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:04,240
I swear I think that she is a true
angel.
545
00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:08,770
I don't have a mom, but she's the
closest thing I have to as a mom.
546
00:36:09,090 --> 00:36:13,610
I can call her at any time. I mean, she
took me in. You know, she bought this
547
00:36:13,610 --> 00:36:15,910
house so we could have a home and a
family.
548
00:36:16,850 --> 00:36:21,290
And I just, I don't know what I would do
without her. I really don't.
549
00:36:26,290 --> 00:36:27,750
They'd all come to my house.
550
00:36:30,110 --> 00:36:32,350
There's a spider in the bathtub
upstairs.
551
00:36:33,470 --> 00:36:38,190
I don't kill anything, you know. I
always take them outside when I find
552
00:36:39,370 --> 00:36:42,630
Brian has a deadly fear of spiders.
553
00:36:45,070 --> 00:36:49,430
And there's one I saw this morning. I
thought, oh, I'll get that later. I
554
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:50,950
think he'd go to the bathroom.
555
00:36:54,510 --> 00:36:57,670
I love Linda to death, and she helped
the kids a lot.
556
00:36:58,010 --> 00:37:01,910
And I just want them to forgive me.
557
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,880
Do I know if they will or not? I don't
know.
558
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,680
Brian Pillman lives on in the hearts and
minds of his family, but his legacy
559
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,860
would return to the ring in a way no one
would anticipate.
560
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,920
Brian Pillman's legacy in wrestling
lives on in that he created a character
561
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,540
people still remember to this day
because it was in large part himself.
562
00:37:32,620 --> 00:37:37,940
He's a guy that overcame a lot of odds
and totally kicked ass in an industry of
563
00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:40,980
guys that were much larger than him.
564
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:45,620
I would have loved to see what the next
10 years would have played out for him
565
00:37:45,620 --> 00:37:47,340
had he never had that damn car wreck.
566
00:37:50,340 --> 00:37:55,040
He knew the hand that he was dealt after
the accident.
567
00:37:56,500 --> 00:38:00,280
It wasn't a damn thing he could do about
it, but you killed him.
568
00:38:01,420 --> 00:38:04,340
Figuratively, and I think eventually,
literally.
569
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:12,700
Brian's death started a domino effect
that forced people to recognize the
570
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:19,680
steroid issue, but put extra focus on
the real cause of people dying too
571
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,300
which is pills.
572
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:28,520
The only hurdle he couldn't get across
was the last one, and it was his own
573
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,520
that had betrayed him.
574
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:37,770
The biggest legacy, though,
unfortunately, is what would have been,
575
00:38:37,770 --> 00:38:42,710
would have gone, what heights he would
have achieved, how much bigger and
576
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:43,710
he would have gotten.
577
00:38:43,870 --> 00:38:48,450
He saw the end goal. He was so close to
really just completely making it in
578
00:38:48,450 --> 00:38:53,670
wrestling. Would he have been, along
with The Rock and Steve Austin and a few
579
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:56,090
other guys, the biggest star in
wrestling five years later?
580
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:58,550
Probably. One of them.
581
00:39:12,289 --> 00:39:14,250
Just rebuild my relationship with my
kids.
582
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:19,690
Have my kids not be mad at me by the
time I die.
583
00:39:19,930 --> 00:39:21,010
We'll see if that happens.
584
00:39:26,190 --> 00:39:27,370
You know, my dad's not here.
585
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:31,130
So if I got one parent left that I can
go, oh, well, you know, that's my mom.
586
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:34,870
That's just the way she is, you know.
Like, sure, I could live the rest of my
587
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:37,030
life hating her. But where does that get
me?
588
00:39:38,850 --> 00:39:42,710
Ever since I've rekindled my
relationship with her, I've been happier
589
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:46,450
personal life. I've been better in my
relationships with women. I've been more
590
00:39:46,450 --> 00:39:50,850
understanding of people's plights and
people's vices. I've been just a much
591
00:39:50,850 --> 00:39:54,430
mature adult in general since I've
buried the hatchet with my mother, so to
592
00:39:54,430 --> 00:39:59,430
speak. And in many ways, I'm very happy
that I have a parent left on this earth
593
00:39:59,430 --> 00:40:04,390
to speak to and talk to, you know. I
called Mel a time or two, and, man, we
594
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:07,850
lost contact. And, man, I reached out
to...
595
00:40:08,380 --> 00:40:12,200
You know, Brian Jr., a couple years ago,
I had one of Brian's old weightlifting
596
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,700
belts. Out of nowhere, a sign from the
wrestling gods comes in the form of a
597
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:21,580
cell phone call from Stone Cold Steve
Austin to tell me that he has a Cardillo
598
00:40:21,580 --> 00:40:26,220
weightlifting belt that belonged to my
father and that he wants to mail it to
599
00:40:26,220 --> 00:40:30,000
and give it to me. And I'm like, you
know what? If that's a sign, that's a
600
00:40:30,820 --> 00:40:34,500
Following in his father's footsteps,
Brian Pillman Jr.
601
00:40:34,820 --> 00:40:37,000
decides to become a professional
wrestler.
602
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,080
When he first said he was going to
wrestle, like, it struck terror in my
603
00:40:43,180 --> 00:40:45,740
I was like, oh, my God, I'll have
fractured relationships.
604
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,040
His kids won't get the attention. He's
going to travel all the time. He's not
605
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,040
going to be able.
606
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:52,980
And then I saw him perform.
607
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:59,340
And I saw the look on his face when he
knew that he was creating homage to his
608
00:40:59,340 --> 00:41:00,340
dad.
609
00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:07,720
And I realized this is it. This is
what's supposed to happen.
610
00:41:08,620 --> 00:41:11,860
He just woke up one day and he was going
to be a wrestler. And I literally
611
00:41:11,860 --> 00:41:13,760
laughed. I'm like, you, a wrestler?
612
00:41:14,180 --> 00:41:17,600
All you do is sit in your room and play
video games. There's no way that you're
613
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:18,600
going to be a wrestler.
614
00:41:18,860 --> 00:41:23,740
And it was just crazy. Like, he was
determined and he quit his job that he
615
00:41:23,740 --> 00:41:24,840
just graduated college.
616
00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:29,900
And he was going to do it. And I was
very hesitant at first just because of
617
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:33,340
everything my dad went through. And I
didn't want my brother to fall into that
618
00:41:33,340 --> 00:41:35,000
same lifestyle. So I was scared.
619
00:41:35,820 --> 00:41:37,900
I think he'd be proud of it.
620
00:41:38,380 --> 00:41:40,460
His son wants to carry on the Pillman
name.
621
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:42,780
He wants to make his father proud of
him.
622
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,680
He wants to accomplish something on his
own, but yet pay tribute to his dad.
623
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,800
I think Brian would be into that. I just
think he might be worried that Brian
624
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,160
Jr. is in it all by himself.
625
00:41:55,420 --> 00:41:58,680
He's got some people looking out for
him, but I think Brian Sr.
626
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,720
would a whole lot rather be there and
keep an eye on him.
627
00:42:02,140 --> 00:42:03,820
Great kid, looks a lot like his dad.
628
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,180
And I talked to him about these things.
629
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:11,730
There's a lot of great traits, Brian,
that your dad had that I hope to God you
630
00:42:11,730 --> 00:42:12,850
can acquire.
631
00:42:14,490 --> 00:42:18,270
And then there are some, not so much.
632
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:22,530
You have to learn where you draw the
line.
633
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:28,690
Use his passion, use his intellect, use
his athletic ability, use his love of
634
00:42:28,690 --> 00:42:29,690
the game.
635
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:32,890
But then don't get too far off the
beaten path.
636
00:42:33,490 --> 00:42:34,550
Don't be a loose cannon.
637
00:42:35,459 --> 00:42:37,000
Brian Jr., don't be a loose cannon.
638
00:42:37,340 --> 00:42:39,800
You know,
639
00:42:40,940 --> 00:42:44,200
a lot of people, oh, you know, do you
think your dad would want you to
640
00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:47,880
And it's like, well, he kind of put a
stamp of approval on me to be a wrestler
641
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,640
when he named me Brian Philman, you
know.
642
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,420
There's really no going back at this
point. So, no, it's just tragic to know
643
00:42:54,420 --> 00:43:00,120
that we never got to have that ultimate
father -son relationship. But in a way,
644
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,400
it inspires me to...
645
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:11,200
to be a good father one day, you know?
So I think that's my goal in all of
646
00:43:11,220 --> 00:43:14,040
through wrestling and everything, to be
a father.
647
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,180
Now, that photo is very symbolic to me,
you know?
648
00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:30,080
He's kind of holding me up, and I always
look at it for inspiration, you know?
649
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,400
So I would hope that one day I would...
650
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:39,560
You know, have a son like that, you
know, to kind of hold up as the future,
651
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,140
know. It's like he's kind of giving me
his blessing there in the photo, so.
652
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:48,340
He contributed a whole lot to the
wrestling business.
653
00:43:48,740 --> 00:43:53,320
He pushed the envelope. The loose cannon
gimmick is one of the best ones ever
654
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,500
created. And Brian was one of the best
friends that I had in business.
655
00:43:58,060 --> 00:44:01,500
And I hope that he thought the same
about me. I love Brian.
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