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♪ spooky and dramatic music ♪

This is the story
about a few people,

decades ago,

that were given the opportunity

to become zombies

in one of George Romero's

Living Dead films.

Little did we know,

when we stepped
on the set that day.

We had no idea

it was gonna change
our lives forever.

Meanwhile,

students from the George A.
Romero Filmmaking Program

and Tom Savini's
Special Effects Makeup Program

[sinister voice]
Are up to something.

♪ drum beating ♪

Hey, I'm here.

Where have you been?

I'm sorry.

So, do you have it?

Yeah, of course I have it.

Chasing Zombies
Scene 4.1 - Take 1

[clapping noise]

[Director OC] Action!

Zombies moaning and crowd noise

[static]

Hey, Dead Fans
I'm Brian Ceponis.

♪ horror music ♪

[screaming]
"no, no"

[snarling]

[howling]

We are here live
At the scene of the dead.

That's right.

We are at the Monroeville Mall

where 45 years ago

In 1978

Dawn of the Dead was filmed

in this very location.

There are throngs of zombie fans

inside this very establishment
right now.

And we are gonna go inside
and see what's going on

and it's gonna be amazing.

You wanna join me?

Let's go in.

Ha ha

It's George Romero.

Well, okay it's not
THE George Romero, but

that is George Romero's bust

which is awesome.

We're gonna go
check out some exhibits

and meet some cool people

and we're gonna have
a good time doing it.

We'll see you there.

So, tell us your name.

Uh, my name is Scott Kellaway.

And where are you from, Scott?

Uh, uh, I'm from England.

England?

You came all the way
from England

to here.

Why are you here?

Some kind of instict.

What are they doing?
Why do they come here?

Some kind of instinct.

There's just something
about the place.

Being a fan of Romero

and everything.

As a kid I always thought

I'd love to make the pilgrimage
one day to come visit

you know
the locations - the mall.

And then one day, thought

screw it, I'm just gonna do it
I'm gonna go.

and, uh.

First time I came was
about 2018, I think.

And then, since then

I've been about 4 times now.

So what was
your first experience

with George Romero films?

Have you met George Romero?

Oh, Oh, I was so
excited to meet him.

First experience with
George Romero films,

and then I want to hear
about your experience.

Night of the Living Dead

was the beginning of it for me.

And I grew up in an area where

we were told that it was filmed
at certain locations

in our neighborhood.

It wasn't.

But we believed it was.

So that was my first

recelect of-of realizing
what it even was.

I mean,
we didn't know the movie.

We just knew
it was filmed there.

So we would go to these places

that weren't in the movie,

that we thought
were in the movie.

that we thought
were in the movie.

And we were all excited like

this is where the zombies were.

No it wasn't.

But we thought it was, you know.

[laughing]

And we were like

this is it!

And, it wasn't.

Like, hey look there's
were the zombies were.

Oh, yeah - Oh yeah.

This is the field
they ran through.

No, that was up in Evans City.

Oh, I know and then but
then doing research,

that's when I found out,
Oh, wait

and then, um, when we did, uh

raising money to fix the Chapel.

That's when I came

into the scene

and really was

about trying to help
and, and, you know

get that all together.

Go in - what - we did
Evans City at the park.

Right. We did different
conventions there.

Raised money.

Got to see all these people.

So a lot of the celebrities

who we even
become good friends with.

Yeah.

So we're gonna come back
to George Romero.

I wanna hear about
your first experience.

Again, I think because
we're similar in age,

it was definitely the
Night of the Living Dead.

And also because officially
my real name is Barbara.

And of course the famous line:
We're Coming to get you Barbara.

I got to work alongside
both of the Johnnys

last year at this show.

And I actually had them film
that famous line, like

saying it to me.

I sat between them and they both
said that famous line to me.

I loved it!

They're Coming
to get you Barbara.

Normally I don't like
being called Barbara,

but that was an exception.

Definitely - Yeah, great - yes.

It was definitely
very memorable.

Thanks for sitting down with me.

Sure.

Tell me who you are and
a little bit about yourself.

Okay, Let me check my ID.

Um, I'm Mark Tierno.

Um, I was, um, in uh, 3 of
George Romero's films:

Knightriders, Creepshow
and Day of the Dead.

[zombie Mark roaring]

Um, Knightriders was the first
George Romero film I was in,

and I don't know
I don't remember

how I got an audition,

but I did.

And, um I got cast

as one of the court members,

but I was working full time,

and I didn't want to
give up my job

to do this, uh film

that I didn't know
anything about.

And uh,

so I,

turned it down.

But they came back

and offered me

the role of the Troop Magician,

because they knew that
I had - do magic also.

So I uh agreed to that.

And I - uh - it was,

I had to be there
maybe 3 days a week,

sometimes 4.

And you know,
that worked out really well.

The second was uh Creepshow.

And they knew me
from Knightriders,

and even though
I was a lot of trouble,

they decided that,
we'll cast you.

What I got was uh uh
was to be the um,

to be a, uh, stand-in,

you know, and and

it was an incredible experience

because I got to work
pretty much on the whole film.

And, uh,

I was a stand-in for, uh,

Fritz Weaver,

sometimes Hal Holbrook,

Ted Danson,

uh, also Stehpen King. I was
a stand-in for Stephen King.

And then um I was the uh,

voice of Carl Reynolds

in-in the last segment
with the roaches

with EG Marshall as Mr. Pratt.

[on phone] The wife and I
decided to take the kids to

Disneyworld this year.
You like your job Reynolds?

[Brenda] So how did you 2 meet?

How did we meet?

[gunshots]

How did we meet?

Let me tell you how we met.

It's very interesting.

Oh, wait.

In 1977 I was
working on my first book.

It was called The Collectors
Guide to Monster Magazines,

and I had just
self-published it.

Uh I was working at
an art studio at the time

and I had gone out to lunch.

When I came back from lunch,

Uh it was like a 2-story
or story and a half studio,

so there was a deck
above the first floor of it.

Uh on the - on the deck
with the guy that I worked for

was Tom Savini
and Jeanie Jefferies.

Uh, Tom,

had brought his collection of
Famous Monsters to show me

because he had just
picked up a copy of my book.

And Jeanie - they were
they were together

to come down to meet me.

So that's how we first met.

And you don't remember that.

I don't remember that.
I don't remember.

I must have been so into Tom.
I was like...

[laughter]

No, so, yeah, exactly that's
That's where we first met.

♪ spooky music ♪

Ooo, hey, uh,
can you turn off that light?

♪ overly dramatic music ♪

Huh!

[both together] Hey Nate.

Man what are you guys doin here?

Whatcha been doin?

Uh, nothin.

Avery?

Just finished filming.
That's it.

So do you still need me
in the morning?

Um, yeah-yeah
Thanks for helping out.

Sure.

Interesting. Anything else?

[both together]
No, uh, no, nope.

Okay, so I'll see you then.

[Avery OC]
See you then.

Later.

That was close!

They know we're up to something.

Doesn't matter.

We need to get back to
the Savini building,

and discuss some strategy.

Right.

♪ heavy metal music ♪
"They Crawl" plays

[Zombies moaning]

[Crowd yelling]

So, tell us your name.

My name is Avery Smith and
I'm from St. Louis, Missouri.

What do you do for a living?

I invest in real estate.

So, why are you here?

I'm here for the Romero films

to pay homage to
Dawn of the Dead.

Uh I turn 45 years old this year

and so does the movie.

How often do you come
to these conventions?

Once a year.

And what do you,
what kind of feelings,

what kind of emotions do you get

coming to these,
uh, conventions?

Like a kid in a candy store.
It's like Christmas, man,

cause when I was younger I never
thought I'd be in this position.

And when did you first
become a George Romero fan?

See here. Probably in my
early early childhood,

about 8 or 9 years old.

Yeah? What was it started you
becoming a George Romero fan?

Well uh my parents
owned a video store,

and I was from Illinois,

and we were at the time
living in Lousille Kentucky.

It wasn't like I was
around too many people.

I was pretty much an introvert,

so my mom was like: Hey

you can watch
any movie you want.

Just don't go
behind the red curtain.

[Brian laughs]

So that's that's how my movie
history started with horror.

Let me guess, you snuck behind
the red curtain and watched...

That was later down the road.
[both laughing]

You steal George Romero films
from the video store?

You know what?
When I was going around

looking at you know
Toolbox Murderers

and all this crazy stuff,

I saw Dawn of the Dead.

It was a Media VHS case

and it was uh,
written in neon green.

I see Scott Reiniger on the
cover, and I was like,

let's check this out.
And I was hooked ever since.

Did you rewind before you
took it back to the store?

Of course or I got into trouble.

Be kind - rewind right?

Back in the 80's that was
definitely a huge fine.

back in the day

Did your Mum
not let you watch this or?

No, my Mom wouldn't
let me watch it.

But neither did mine but,

well, it was my Dad
that was the worst one.

He said: "There's something
wrong with you. You're sick.

Why are you watching this?

There's blood - It's got - oh.

You need to see a doctor.

There's uh
something wrong with you.

My father wasn't like that.

My father was like,
Oh, yeah come on down.

Yeah sit here and
watch it with me.

It's all bloody - It's good.

It's just all the
blood splatter,

the blood splatter,
the zombies coming.

It was all over the place. The
blood was like it was all over.

It was cool.

Oh, it was great.

Absolutely loved it.

And I hope - I hope
more of it continues to come.

I hope they make another one.

Well let's let's hope they do.

I mean hopefully
they might cast us.

[both together]
You never know.

Let's hope. We might be
the 2 lucky ones.

Well, let's wait
and see what happens.

Yeah, let's see what happens.

[Amy OC] Chasing Zombies
interview with Bob

Take 1, common mark.
[slate claps]

[Bob Tinnell OC] Okay
So wait how do we?

What do you want us
to say first?

[laughter]

How we met.

Um

[Tinnell OC]
Well cause he wouldn't remember

cause I was
tremendiously insignificant.

Uh
[Bob laughs]

It was in Monroeville

at the first Fantasy Film
Celebrity Con in 1978.

And, um

it was such a - uh,

like a very empowering event.

It was very - it was amazing.

Really,

and I - I just

ran into - I got
into an elevator.

I think it was an elevator.

and you were in the elevator

And I just - I tried to explain

how much I enjoyed the

how much it meant, and
you know how great it was

and I think you just said:
Get away kid you bother me.

[Bob laughs]
It was - It was uh the first

Horror Science Fiction
convention that I had put on.

That's - that was our first
run in together and uh,

at the same time,

uh, that the convention
was going on,

I was publishing a magazine
called Questar,

which is a science fiction
fantasy horror magazine.

Uh kind of a slick thing,

and again, not much publishing

coming out of Pittsburgh
then either, so.

Uh, we uh

happened to have our offices

on Fort Pitt Boulevard

in the same building uh that
George Romero's offices were in.

So we were on the first floor
with our publishing company

and George's were
on the 5th floor.

And uh that was interesting, so.

Again, Bob was uh going to
Point Park College at the time

just a couple blocks away.

I just showed up at his office

and said:
I wanna go to work for you.

And then you said ha
We don't have any money

and I don't know you,

it's like didn't I
see you at that

didn't I see you
at your conventions, man.

I'd been to 2 conventions
at that point and I had

already worked for George
and for Mike [Gornick]

and had been an extra on
Knightriders for a few days.

So I came down and started
working at the magazine.

You don't remember this but one
of the funniest things ever

was you know when people think
about Night of the Living Dead,

and they think
about the farmhouse,

and they think
about the basement.

And the first day that
I was working at Questar

they sent me to the basement
of the building

on this errand
to look for something

that I don't even think existed.

And then they just waited.

And then I came upstairs

overwhelmed with Deja Vu,

and I didn't understand it.

♪♪ suspenseful music ♪

The Night of the Living Dead
farmhouse basement

is actually in
downtown Pittsburgh.

♪ suspenseful music ♪

But no one knew that
at that time.

Yeah, you,

you can - you can access all
this information and trivia now

so simply.

But no one even had
mentioned it so we uh,

we actually were storing all of
our back issues of the magazines

uh - in the basement.

Uh it was - it was the
only place we had

for extra - for extra space so.

Ah you know - it,

in the beginning,

we didn't realize it was the
basement from the movie either.

[together] Really?

We were just walking up and down
those crappy wooden steps,

afraid that one of them was just
gonna give way at some point.

So it was - it was a fun
trivia thing, but

and back then, nobody ever,

no one ever knocked
on the door and said:

Hey, can we
Can we see that basement?

No - not even thought of.

So, tell us your name.

Uh, my name is Shad Nowicki.

And where are you from, Shad?

From a little town out of
Buffalo
called Ellicottville New York.

Ellicottville New York, okay.

And what do you do for a living?

I'm a professional
artist, actually.

[Brian OC] Professional artist.

[Shad OC]
Specializing in painting.

[Brian OC] That's fantastic.

Is-is that what brings you
here? Why are you here?

Uh, yeah. That kinda did
get me into the door here.

Um, painting, but,

really the major reason I'm here

is because of my
love for Romero films.

And-and I was
fortunate enough to

talk to enough people that said

you should probably get here

you know, for this.

So that's why I'm here
for my love of Romero films,

and finally meeting
these people that I've

seen on screen for
years and years and years.

And you get to interact
with not only the folks

you've seen on screen but

all the other attendees
that are here.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah - yeah.
The people here and uh,

the community that George
has built over the years

is just absolutely phenomenal.

and it's a special thing
It's awesome

Speaking of like uh
How many of these things

do you go to a year?
How many have you been to?

Uh, this is
my first Living Dead,

but I travel for a living.
Do all the conventions

that I can do during the year.

I usually do depending, lately

I've been doing a little bit
more, so about 7 a year.

Um but I'm a painter,
so it - it's...

The process is a little longer
than some of these guys.

So, yeah.

And you mention about

the, obviously your first reason
for being here is George Romero.

Mm, hmm.

So what was your first?
Tell me about your first

experience with George Romero,

ah,

with George Romero's films.

Alright, so I was,

this is goin back...

I grew up on on a little horse
farm outside of Buffalo.

In the middle of nowhere.

We didn't have zombie stuff.

We didn't have monster stuff.

We didn't have anything, right?

We had tractors.
We had all that stuff.

But my Dad bought me this little
black & white Quasar television

you put like 80 D batteries in.

And then I used to travel
around with this thing.

I used to go camping
with this thing.

Everywhere.

And I remember being so young,

and one of my first
memories of this title

Night of the Living Dead

scared the shit out of me.

And I was like: "I am not gonna
watch this movie ever".

And then, one night,

sleeping in the barn,

cause that's what
I did in the summer.

I never spent the night
in the house.

I'd always camp out.

I had this black and white TV
and what comes on

is Night of the Living Dead

on a little
we're talkin 5 inch screen.

and I sat as close
to that thing as I could,

hoping the batteries
didn't run out.

And I watched that whole movie

from start to finish.

And when I got done
watching that movie,

I was...
I wasn't really frightened

like scared.

I was just so curious

about this type of movie,

and about...
This is black and white.

There's monsters.

There's people eating each other
in this thing.

You know - and for me it
was just amazing

to see that movie.

And - and it resonates with me.

You know, when people
think about nostalgia.

That's what I do.
I do nostalgia painting.

When people think about
nostalgia, it's all these

wonderful memories
that come to you.

And that, to me...

I can still smell the barn.

I still see myself sitting there
in the middle of the night,

watching this little
black and white television.

And I think...

I'm - I'm really excited
that's how I got into it

rather than somebody saying
oh watch this years later.

You know? I was very young when
I got into George Romero movies.

How - how old were you?

I think I was 9 or 10
when I watched it.

Right? Um you're also talking
black and white carry around TV,

So, yeah.

But then I got into the other
movies later on and uh,

those were all,

I think Dawn was the
first or second movie

I ever rented at a video store.

So, yeah.

That was - that was my life
for a long time - yeah.

Watching those movies.

[Director OC]
Bring in the slate.

[Director OC]
Mark it.

[Amy OC] Chasing Zombies
Interview with Jeanie,

[Amy OC] take 1,
common mark. [slate claps]

You have a pretty voice.

[Director OC] Okay
Everbody settle.

[Director OC] Action.
Take it Brenda.

[Brenda] Tell us about
the movies you were in.

When I first moved to Chicago,

I met a gal and I did - uh.

I played um the prodigal mom
for this girl,

but it never went anywhere.

Anyway, my first movie was uh

basically Dawn of the Dead.

And that was
interesting because,

I got into that because,

I was the Iron City Beer girl.

OK let's start with that
I was the Iron City Beer girl,

and um then they came out with
uh Robin Hood Cream Ale.

So I was giving away
beer samples

to tons of people.

and, um,

this group of fellows were
sitting there,

and this one guy was
watching me and he said:

You seem really professional.

Would you like to audition
to be the 96KX Call Girl?

It was WTAE Radio in Pittsburgh.

And, um,

and they were gonna do
an FM station.

Anyway I auditioned
I got hired.

So at the end of that year,

it was a whole year long I um,

I did a Halloween costume party.

I was to give away
$100 to the best costume.

and I gave it to this huge
Darth Vader character.

He took off his thing
and it was Tom Savini!

What??

Tom's a legend.

Now I didn't know who
Tom Savini was

and I didn't know George Romero

or and I didn't know movies
or anything - but anyway.

Um Tom - I gave Tom
his $100 bill [laughs]

and, um then he said:

Do - can you do
makeup by any chance?

And I said: "Oh actually
I do makeup".

I do makeup for photos.

And Tom said he
couldn't do straight makeup.

He was into special effects.

So I said: "Yeah, I can
certainally help you with that".

So I missed 2 weeks
of Dawn of the the Dead,

but it was because of Tom Savini

and me giving him the $100
for the Darth Vader.

And um that started my career
meeting George Romero.

Yeah, I met Tom
Gave him his $100.

And the next day,

we went into George Romero

and he said: "George
this is Jeanie".

I'd like to hire her as my
#1 makeup assistant.

And George said: "Hi, Jeanie
You're welcome.

Ba - ba - ba [hands clap]
Done deal.

After Dawn of the Dead then
became uh Knightriders.

And Knightriders I was
actually hired by George

to be the Director of Makeup,

and the guy that I
played my scene with

with Knightriders was
Marty F- You know

Yeah - Ferrero. Thank you, um.

[Jeanie OC] He called me
after Knightriders was over

and he said

I just read for a script
for uh Jurassic Park.

And he was the one
that got eaten off the toilet.

[T-Rex snarling-Marty screaming]

What?? Uh!

And then Ha...Ed Harris
I did his makeup

every single day
in Knightriders.

and I-I believe Ed said that
was his 2nd movie ever ever ever

and look at him. Apollo 13, In
The Abyss and everything else.

[Brenda OC] It's so interesting
how one thing leads to another.

Oh it's timing,
yeah you're right.

One thing leads to another
as you say.

You have to be at the
right place at the right time.

And thanks. There's like 16 17
people here right now

[Jeanie continues]
that people can't see.

It's like God Bless you all.
[laughter]

[Brenda OC] So if you hadn't
had that Halloween party...

I would not have ever
met George Romero.

♪ spooky music ♪

[phone ringing]

Hello?

[Avery's voice on phone]
Hey, Samantha.

How'd your creature project go?

It actually went really great.

[Samantha's voice on phone] How
did yours and Nate's filming go?

Well, we finished it,
but on our way out

we literally ran into
Sean and Richard.

I think they're on to us.

I think so too.

I saw Amy and Liz
talking to them this morning,

but when they saw me,
they stopped talking.

[Samantha's voice on phone]
Well, I mean, except for Sean.

[Samantha's voice on phone] When
he saw me he said Hi and smiled.

Hm You're really into him, huh?

[Samantha on phone]
Is it that obvious?

Uh, Samantha - everyone knows.

Wait.
I think Nate's calling me.

Nate, you there?

Hello.

Hey, Nate.

Hey, Nate.

Hey, what's up?

So where were you after
we ran into Richard and Sean?

I thought we were
supposed to meet at Savini?

Oh, I'm sorry.
I ran into Mr. Williams.

I had a paper due
and he is riding my ass.

He thinks I could be a writer.

[scoffs] Good luck with that.

Um anyways,
About our game plan.

Yeah, David and Deion
are definitely on our team.

Good.

God, you are really
serious about this.

[Nate on phone] Absoutely.

The school's been playing
Humans vs. Zombies for 23 years.

Hell, my Dad was on
the first winning team.

This year is the first time
I have a chance to win.

Didn't this whole thing start
out as a hide and seek game?

Yep, but every year
the game changes.

Dude I saw the video you sent me
of when they played paintball...

[paintball gunshots]

Yeah, I'm glad I wasn't there.

That was brutal!

But now that the game's gone
back to the original format,

[on phone] we might actually
have a better chance of winning.

Why cause we're smaller
and we can hide easier?

Huh, yeah that's funny,

[on phone] but they're doing it
at night so no advantage there.

Yeah, they're gonna have a
hard time hiding. They're huge.

I wouldn't be so sure.

Sean's captain of the
Zombies this year,

[on phone] and he's fast,

and very smart.

Alright, hey,
let's get back to the plan.

Wait, what plan?

Well, Nate got some
glow in the dark makeup,

and we're gonna mix it in
with the Zombie makeup.

Is that fair?

How are you even sure
they're gonna use it?

I'm positive.

They're gonna use it
for their portfolios.

Aren't they gonna
be able to tell

that the makeup
glows in the dark?

[Nate on phone]
Not as long as it's outside.

After we get into the park

and everyone scatters,
it will be light.

When the sun goes down

and Boom! So does their faces.

Nate, how can you
do this to Sean

after he agreed
to help you tomorrow?

Did you forget about
what happened last year?

During the
Dawn of the Dead Jeopardy game?

Yeah, our advisor
was your uncle.

He was just one of a
zillion parking lot zombies.

But they brought in
Bob Michelucci.

[on phone] That guy published
books about George Romero.

That wasn't cheating?

Look, they just outsmarted us
plain and simple.

Now we're turning the tables.

The Zombie team takes
great pride in their makeup

and we're gonna
use that against them.

How are you gonna
get it into their kit?

Already took care of that.

Deion has a class
with Amy in the morning.

He's gonna
mix it into their kits.

♪ heavy metal music ♪

[Zombies groaning]

[Crowd yelling]

You come all the way
over from England.

Yes, that's right, yeah.

You come to a
lot of these conventions?

I only come to the Living Dead
Weekend here in Pittsburgh,

or Monroeville - Monroeville.

Because, uh, this

particular type of convention

just seems to be so

so family close.

You know, and we
meet the same people.

We have a little family
of friends that, you know,

that come here every year,

and it's great because they've
really embraced me,

you know coming from the UK,

and I'll always
keep coming back.

That's fantastic.
How about you, Shawn?

You know, I'm
coming from Ithica NY.

The love for George
is all over the United States,

all over the country,

and like it's an
amazing feeling to just

have the George Romero
experience in your blood,

you know? It's like,

it captures you.

It does - it does
and then, so

obviously George is very
influential in a lot of today's

Zombie films and things.
What is your...

Do you remember your-your first

experience with
George Romero films,

and what hooked you?
What grabbed you?

My first experience was
Night of the Living Dead,

and my Dad was watching it,

and I happened to be
going down, you know,

downstairs. And there's Dad
watching it and,

I loved the scene in the
cemetary part in the beginning.

The eeriness of the music...

♪eerie music
Stop in now I mean it.

They're coming
to get you Barbara.

That was the famous line.
It was - I was hooked.

I was like this is really good.

My Dad got us at 12 years old.

We were watching horror films,

and I was like,
my mother would be like:

No no you can't watch that.

And I'd be
sneaking out of my room

just to wanna sit there
and watch it with my Dad,

cause it was just...

The fascination of being hooked

into the horror industry.
I loved it.

So obviously Dad won that one.

So what about you? What was
your first memory,

first experience
with George Romero?

Oh my first experience...

I can remember it
just like yesterday.

I was a young boy,

and I just came back from one
of these little school outings.

You know. I think the
year was about 1982,

and my Dad had rented out this

this big VHS.
You had to...

This huge VHS cover
back in the 80's,

you know, you
you had to just about

yank open,

and it was - it was
Dawn of the Dead.

Now what happened is that
Dad started watchin this movie,

and I had, being
that age at the time,

I had to go to bed early.

So mother turned around
and said to me..

She says" Don't go downstairs
for God's sake"

"Your father's
watchin this film,

there's all these people biting
each other's necks and arms".

[woman screaming]

So of course being a
7 year old boy at the time,

you get inquisitive.

So I decided to get
out of the bed,

and where I was,
you had the stairway,

and from the
top of that stairway

from the bedroom,
you could see clearly

into the front room
where the television was.

So I sort of put my head down

and I caught the bit
where Renee Banks,

you know, all this hair

came out and the SWAT team

were in there wrestling
with Scott Reiniger.

[multiple gunshots]

and I went: "Oh God",

you know, and I pulled the
sheets over the top of me head.

But I watched it again
a few years later.

And I don't know - it just...

it just caught me.

And I had to watch
the whole lot.

I had to start with
Night of the Living Dead.

I had to start you know
watching Dawn of the Dead

religiously. I can't say
how many times

I've seen the film now,

but it's a lot.

And I went on with
Day of the Dead,

Land of the Dead,
and ever since then,

you know, I've just become

a George A. Romero lover.

He certainly left something
very loving and close

behind and,

and we will continue
the legacy for him.

[Larry OC] How did you first
get acquainted

with George Romero
and his films?

Well, Uh I've been a fan

of Night of the Living Dead

ever since I first saw it

which was a drive-in movie

on a double bill with Willard.

And I've been a fan of the
movie ever since.

[Larry OC] What furthered
your fascination

with these movies?

Did you have contact with
any of the actors?

Uh, Yes, actually.

I wrote a fan letter

to Kyra Schon

who played Karen in the movie.

And we were corresponding,
this was back in 1979.

I was a teenager

and she was just
like in college.

and we were corresponding
back and forth,

and we really became friends.

Shortly after,

Questar Magazine came out,

and one of the articles they did
in Questar Magazine

was about
Night of the Living Dead:

Where Are They Now?

And they interviewed Kyra,

and she actually stated
in that interview

is that, um

one of the fringe benefits
that I had received from

being in the movie

was that a 15 year old boy

had contacted me from Florida.

And we'd been corresponding
ever since.

And that we had become
uh more of friends

instead of just, you know
a fan.

[Larry] Did your
friendship with Kyra

help you secure a role in
George Romero's Day of the Dead?

Um, well not directly but

it definitely pointed me
in the right direction.

Because when my uh mentor
and teacher from

the High School that I was at

uh had a video production course

and uh he called me
uh and he said

George Romero was
making a sequel to

Night of the Living Dead
in Florida.

[Miguel OC on megaphone]
"Is anyone there?"

And uh he's going to be
looking for extras.

Why don't you call him?

[Larry OC] And were
you living in Florida?

That's right, I was livinig in
uh Port Charlotte Florida which

is about 25 miles north of where
he was going to be filming.

So I contacted Kyra and I said,
Kyra is it true?

And she said yes,

the name of his film company
is Sanibel Films.

Uh, here's the number.
Give him a call

and tell him you want to be
involved in Day of the Dead.

[Larry] Did he actually
answer the phone?

That's right. George Romero
actually answered the phone

and I told him who I was,

why I was calling,

and who had referred me.

And he said my wife Christine
Christine Forrest

was helping with the casting.

And he says
let me take your information.

I will have Christine
get back with you

and we'll go from there.

[Larry] Describe for us

the day you went to the set
to shoot your scene?

OK well they bussed us out
there-they got us out there,

the sun's just starting
to come up

and we're all
lined up out there.

I see Christine Forrest
running around,

then I see Tom Savini.

And Tom Savini
comes in front of the crowd.

And I was 19 at the time

but I looked like
I was 12 or 13.

And he looked at me

and he says:

"I'm gonna start with you".

"Come on over".

"I think I'm gonna make you
kind of uh a fresh kill".

So I really didn't have
that much makeup on.

It was just base makeup,

and the football dark circles
under the eyes.

I mean I looked pretty much like
I did when I was alive,

except he had me, uh,

you know, he toned
down to a greenish color.

So how lucky are we, huh?

We are so lucky, oh my God.

So, Larry,

how did you get roped up
in all this Romero stuff?

Well, that's pretty interesting.

It all stems from
Dawn of the Dead, actually.

I watched that as
an 8 year old, and

8 year old.

Yes-yes.

What the hell's
wrong with your mother?

[Larry OC] I was just captivated
by somebody taking over a mall.

You know, the
main characters in the movie

took over a mall, and,

it wasn't the zombies like that

you know, I wasn't scared.

I wasn't affected by
the gore, blood, guts

or anything like that.

It was taking over a mall.

I thought it was
the coolest thing ever.

I was actually living
in Monroeville at the time,

um, and I used to go to the mall

couple times a week.

And then I'd heard that, um,

they were they were filming
some kind of movie there.

I didn't know what it was,

but I knew who
George Romero was.

Uh, and uh...

At that time a f-friend
of mine and I

went in on a comic book store,

uh, in Bloomfield,

not knowing that

right across the street

[Mike OC] is where
Tom Savini lived.

Uh, and uh,

this is one of my - one of my
favorite things about life.

How you can make one decision

that you think is
completely random.

I was supposed to work at
the comic store on Saturdays

because I had a full time job.

I was a psychotherapist

right up the hill at
at Western Psych

in Geriatric Psychiatry.
So that's what I was doing.

So I I'm at the comic store.

Savini walks in the door,

and of course you know carries
on a conversation with him.

I had all these really
cool movie posters

that he was
interested in as well.

But what if I,
you know, decided, uh.

You know I wanted to go skiing
or something else that day,

or had another engagement.

If I wasn't in
that store that day

when Tom walked in, he would
have met my buddy,

and my buddy might have been
in Day of the Dead.

But Tom and I, you know, uh

started talking more and more,
and one thing lead to another.

After doing Day of the Dead and
Invasion USA back to back,

I was fortunate enough to be an
extra in bigger budget films

like Twister, Titanic
Poseidon and Godzilla,

you know, which was
an amazing experience.

But no one ever asks me,

when I come
to these conventions,

about those films.

They ask me about
Day of the Dead,

and what it was like,

and how I would describe
working with George Romero.

[Larry] So Day of the Dead
was a major part of your life.

Actually, to be quite honest,

I wouldn't have gotten those
jobs in those films

but for my experience
with George Romero.

Beccause, here's why.

I mean, they have my resume.
They look at this,

and then when they get to
the bottom of the page

of that resume, they're like:

Wow, you got to work with George
Romero, uh, in one of his films.

I go Yes - Day of the Dead
was my first film.

I was the Football Player
Zombie. Well, after that

it kinda changed the whole
pitch of the interview.

I wouldn't - I would not only
not have gotten those jobs

in those other features films.

I - I don't think I even
would have gotten an interview.

♪♪ spooky music ♪

So, are we
still going through with this?

You guys have been playing
too many video games.

How do you feel when you find
a cheat that helps you win?

David - Like a winner.
Nate - Everybody uses it.

But this isn't a video game.

If we win because we do this

then it's not gonna feel right.

I mean I wanna win fairly.

Okayyyy.

When you tell your Dad about it

are you gonna leave
the part out with

the glow in the dark makeup?

Yeah,

I guess I'd probably
leave that part out.

Well, what's that say?

Hey, Nate.
You behaving yourself?

Only every second of
everyday ever Mr. WIlliams.

Huh.

I'm trusting you two
to keep an eye on him.

Yes, sir.

One thing about
I'd want to tell you about uh,

uh , Creepshow,

Is for me,

it was a great experience

because I got to see,

uh, how

for the first time,

how a major motion picture
is made.

Yeah.

And I got to see how, uh,

how George worked
as the director.

How people on the set worked.

How Tom Savini worked,

using, uh,
doing special effects,

like the, uh,
monster in the crate,

uh, em,

Fluffy, uh, which is
sitting behind me. Yes.

And uh how he
how he worked him,

you know, using hydraulics
at different times.

There wasn't always
a person in the suit.

You know, and I was there
all the time.

Uh, also,

um,

I realized how,

uh, how time is money because

there was a point where that

the, uh, something
the, uh, the blood splatter

in the lab,

uh, and I think it was
when the, uh,

when the, uh,
the janitor was killed.

There was something that
the blood splatter,

somebody cleaned it
or something.

So it wasn't there

even though it had
been in the shot before.

So we had to wait

until they did that and that
took like half a day and,

it was, you know,
thousands of dollars.

[Mike OC] Can you somehow
describe what it is

that draws us so much into
that George Romero universe.

Why it touches a chord
in so many people.

I can't. I'm not sure exactly,

but I - I know

that one of the things is
that is the intel-intelligence

of the films.

Because there's in every film
that he does

there's always this subplot

that isn't necessarily true
in other horror films.

I don't know that is
always the only thing,

but, for example,

um, in Dawn,

there's a line I'm paraphrasing:

"They go back to
where they're comfortable".

Which means the Mall.

So it's a
It's a so-social take,

yeah,

on - on - on com
consumerism. Yeah.

First film of George's I saw
was Martin at your convention,

and it changed my entire life.
Uh, that film,

uh, there it is the single most,

uh, important event in my life

in terms of movie watching.

It changed everything-
my asthetic, my taste.

I would say that I went into
that film as a kid,

and came out as a adult.

I was just a
completely different person.

It was a more artsy film too.

But it was a
deconstructionist look.

It brought Vampires
into reality. Right.

George, uh, was a

truly a great
American filmmaker.

I actually think Martin is
a great American film.

I think if he wasn't working
in horror, I think...

I think There's Always Vanilla,

had it been made in Hollywood,

you know, with Mike Nichols
Dustin Hoffman and you know.

It-it's an Oscar nominee.

But you make it
in Pittsburgh with nobody

and it disappears.

But all of George's films
function on 2 levels.

They function as entertainment

and they func-function as
something deeper.

And deeper commentary
on society.

And it wasn't,
and he would tell you this,

it wasn't because he was
necessarily consciously

striving for that.

He was just a smart guy

who cared and who observed,

and he wove deep things
into his work.

And no matter how much

gratuitous

gore or violence he would
put into a film,

it never felt gratuitous
or cheap.

Yeah I don't - I don't think
George as much as anyone else

felt there would be such
a cult following

on any of the films.

You know, I think he was
just as surprised as anybody

to see that you know
10, 20 years later.

I mean there's generations
now that weren't born

when these movies were made

that, uh are, are big fans.

How did, how did you get
caught up in - in this?

I'm not from
Pittsburgh so, uh,

[Larry] I would come up
as a horror convention vendor,

and that would be
my way to get to Pittsburgh.

I could make money and
it could pay for the trip.

So I would come here and
I would be prepared.

I would want to

research locations from

George Romero's films.

And I had thought
over the years,

you know, that I would like

to go on a tour of, say,
The Monroeville Mall,

or filming locations
of George's films.

And I saw there was a tour on,

you know, on a box set

of Dawn of the Dead.

And all it's versions

are on the set.

And there was a tour on there,

and I'm like...

I wanna do that one day.

And then I decided
to research it.

And then I got
obsessive with my research.

Mike - That's a shock.
Larry - And eventually

[laughing]

I - I had so much information
at my fingertips that,

that I knew more than
most people out there.

And then in present day
I actually do host tours

of the Mall for fans from
all over the world, and

actually thats why my voice is
a little hoarse at the moment.

I have a bunch of points to make

along the way that,

most of the points are

on the bottom.

Of the majority of the action

and such happen

on the bottom floor.

You remember after they sort of
go shopping and such,

and Roger is in his little cart.

Fran puts a box of plates
in the cart with him

and that would
have been over here.

I'll show you that in a second.

But she parks him right here.

I never thought
after nearly 40 years

that Day of the Dead was made,

that people would still be
talking about it

and would be writing me and
asking me for my autograph

just the same uh as many others
who played secondary extras

in these films, uh,

who are being pursued
the same thing as me

for autographs and
uh convention appearances

in celebration of
all things Romero.

Seems like the films shows
everybody's sense of struggle.

Every dynamic of it,

you know, personal, your peers,

and then it's also some type of

ambiant force that's giving you

some type of conflict, so.

That's how people deal
with in everyday life.

And that's what the
movies are about - real life.

As I grew older,

and I talked to people,

and I started watching

these movies more and more

over and over and over.

People like: "Dude, why do you

like these movies so much"?

I'm like, well you gotta like
the
special effects - I mean.

You see something in the
late 90's and the 2000's.

I'm like: "Hey - they got that
idea from Romero".

That's true, so Romero's got a
lot of influence

in a lot of today's films.

Definitely - definitely
definitely.

Could I say - Dawn of the Dead,

it was the fact that
you had these people

that were just
trying to survive.

Things were going bad, and

you had these 4 people group up,

and just keep hold
to what was left.

You take Night
of the Living Dead.

it's more documentary like.

Its real and gritty, and

and, you want to absorb that,

and you're into the world

with that first film.

And then you go to

Dawn of the Dead.

And it's an adventure.
It's fun - It's rollicking.

It's a rollercoaster.

And you get into that and you
enjoy the characters and such.

And then you get to
Day of the Dead,

and that's where I think

things really change.

[Larry] It's gritty it's people
being mean to each other.

Yeah.

[Larry] I think that's how
it would really go down.

Yeah.

That's the most
realistic one to me.

Yeah, and and it
talked a lot about

the character
of different people.

Uh, and what was important
in their lives because

when something
like that happens.

WHEN SOMETHING
LIKE THAT HAPPENS.

Uh, you know,

you don't know
how you're gonna react.

And - and some people react

one way
like the military people.

And then you got the
scientists trying to figure out

maybe how to save humanity

as opposed to...

Uh, hey I don't care what
happens to them.

I'm saving myself.
That kind of thing.

There's a lot of social
commentary as in that.

As there is in all the
Romero Zombie films.

Yeah, or or even Knightriders.

What character do you love the
most and and feel connected to,

and why?

Well, you know what?

It stems from
different movie to movie.

Because, you know,

regardless of the fact
that everybody's having

their inner torment
and struggles

of what's going on
in the outer world,

you know, you had, uh,

Sarah who was

played by Lori Cardille.

You had uh, you know, Ken Foree

who played Peter.

It's like everybody really wants

to try to do the best for the
best with the worst scenario.

But, you know, you got to
make the best choice you can.

So it's pretty much feel I
connected with all of them.

I can't just pick one.

In watching these films,

is there a particular character
or one that you like

or kinda glom onto?

Um, definitely I mean,

Ken Foree,

um.

Number one,

when we were a
lot younger in the 70's,

there wasn't a lot of
black action stars

that white kids in the
suburbs saw, right?

Because it was all inner city
black explotation movies.

We never got any of that.

So when I saw Dawn,

I was like Holy Mackerel.
That guy is amazing.

He had, I mean,
from the opening scene

to the end of that movie,

he's on it!

He's the tough guy,

and he's:
"Hey how ya doing"?

He he's got every
everything going on,

charasmatic,

and to me that was just an
amazing amazing role

in that movie.

And there's certain zombies
I like and Bub and, you know,

there's always ones you
gravitate towards.

But I think if you
refined it all down,

you know,

and said
I wanna be one of these.

That's the guy
I wanna be - yeah.

Have you - have you seen him
met the other zombies?

I met him today.

You met him today?

Absolutely wonderful man.

And I've been able to meet
all the other, uh people

involved this weekend,
and it's it's been great.

Now have you ever had
the opportunity to meet

George Romero?

I have not.

Okay,

I have not.

Um, I wish I had.

You know they say:
"Don't meet your heros".

And what I do for a living,
painting celebrities and stuff.

That's all BS - meet em.

Because they're
gonna be gone tomorrow

and you're never
gonna have the chance to,

number 1, say "Thank You",

and number 2, just tell
them your story, you know?

So I never met him, um.

But yeah I mean I just have
a huge admiration for his work.

And more than just the work is

is this community this whole.

He's the godfather of
this whole franchise.

This, this whole genre
of movies and, uh,

wow that's awesome, you know.

That's a hell of a body of
work and a hell of a life.

That and that's you know talkin
about him from that level, does

does he influence, you know,
your work your art?

My painting? Absolutely.
So like just this year

I think I'm on
five Romero paintings.

You know, first one I did was

Fly Boy because I went over
to the museum and saw,

and I was in it in the elevator.

I'm like, I gotta do
a painting of this.

Next one I did, uh, was from
Night of the Living Dead.

And then I jumped over to Bub

because I watched that one
30 times, you know, in a row.

And, uh, yesterday,
before I came here,

I actually did a big
Night of the Living Dead

the Living Dead girl.

And then recently just did a
George Romero portrait too,

that a lot of people here
seem to like.

♪ acoustic guitar ♪

We have uh we have quite a long
history together with.

I worked I ended up
working with him.

Bob - Yeah.
Jeanie - In his office.

Uh yeah, I mean later,
and his would have been

now in the early 90's
I guess it was.

Uh, we had another company
and, uh, we were producing, uh

magazines and books
and trading cards.

And Jeanie started
to work with us.

Uh, and uh, a Fantasy Girl set
of trading cards too so, uh.

This would have been right
after the Zombie Jamboree

I think that we had
put on in 1993.

Which was in
Monroeville at that time.

[Both] Yeah.

Uh, the Zombie Jamboree had

had, it was the first time
all of the, uh,

the Night of the Living Dead
cast was brought back together.

And we also had other
different guests too, like

we had some Scream Queens,
Brinke Stevens,

Linnea Quigley,
we had Kane Hodder.

Uh, we had Adam West.
We had Jeanie.

Uh, but but we had just produced
a a set of trading cards called

Fantasy Girls.

And Jeanie was actually one
of the Fantasy Girls.

But she was also like the
Fantasy Girl wrangler.

So we go to...

And we did a lot of photography
together over the years, uh.

[Jeanie] This one is an
amazing photographer.

He's taken some
beautiful photos of me.

We've we've had a lot of fun
and uh I'd say,

if we go back earlier,
around 1980,

79 or 80 I believe,

I was publishing
a magazine called Questar.

It was a science fiction
fantasy magazine.

That's where we
had met uh Forey Ackerman

of Famous Monsters of Filmland.

He was the editor
of that magazine, and

I I held a convention
in Monroeville in 1978,

and he was one of
the guests. And he

met Jeanie at that time.

And I'll let you take
over from there.

Well he kind of discovered me.
Bob - He did

He's like:
"I'm gonna discover you".

[Mike OC] Whats it like
when fans come up to you

and and ask for your autograph?

That that's gotta feel
really strange in a way.

It does, because...

I think it's unbelievable to me
that people know who I am.

Uh, and that they're so
appreciative, and and.

I love talking to people.
I love finding out about them.

But they, um,
I went to a, uh,

show in in Pittsburgh
Monroeville area.

Uh, that was, uh,

a convention.

And John Amplas was there,
and that was his,

uh, who's, he was in,
has been in six of, uh,

of George's, of
George Romero's films.

And he said:
"Mark you've got to do this".

No, come on.
Nobody knows who I am.

And also,
Greg Nicotero was there,

who was on Day of the Dead.
He was a, uh, he was an intern.

And, but, he had become

an important person in
the Hollywood scene

for special effects.

And he also said: "Mark
you've got to do this".

And he had a book with,

that had my pictures in it
when he was doing my makeup.

And I, yeah okay, sure
people might, and then,

I was walking
around the the show.

People were coming up to me
and asking for my autograph.

And I thought , maybe
there is something to this.

[Mike] It's interesting how
only up until recently,

this whole thing now has
become part of your identity.

It's almost like who you are.

It is. It is part of especially
when I do these conventions.

You know, I become that person.

[Mike OC] But then when you go
back to your regular life.

[Mike OC] Don't you
feel like, not so

kind of, feel more ordinary?

because in the Romero Universe
you feel really special.

Yes, and that's absolutely true.

And I'm, you know, I still
have to take out the garbage

which I really object to.

[Mike OC] I thought you
just eat the garbage.

Well, that's true.

You become personal friends
with some of the celebrities

because they're in the area,
or you see them so much

at the different Cons, that

you have a connection with them,

and that makes it special too,

and makes you enjoy
the show even more.

I think it is a
very special place.

And and a lot
like she was saying,

a lot of the celebrities
are now friends.

It's just such a tight community
but everybody's welcome.

It's like something beyond, um
what you can get anywhere else.

There's - everybody's here
and they're upbeat they're happy

to be meeting, you know,
who they've watched.

Yeah, it's it's fun it's like
it takes all the pressures

of the world away when
you're in here!

You know it's it's one of
the most fantastic shows

I've ever attended, so remember
The Living Dead Weekend.

And me it's like, you know,

I love the people here.

They're like my family.

So it's like, when I come here

I get to see not just
my extended family,

I get to see my my real family

and actually my brother
from across the sea.

He's my brother in arms, man.
It's like, you know,

like this is the best.

These people make you feel
loved and welcomed.

Now when when you come to these
these events these conventions,

do you feel uh like a familiar
connection, like a family?

Does it feel like
a big family for you?

Oh absolutely, yeah, em.

When we first came, em,
there was kind of

like a like a strange aura
almost like you

stepped into the Mall, it felt
like it was supposed to be.

And, uh, yeah since then
I've met a lot of great people.

And, you know, they seem to,

we're in the middle
of nowhere really,

but we've gravitated to this
this hub of activity.

So George Romero and his films,
they seem like a really

big part of your life, and,
Scott: Oh yeah.

you seem to have a
really strong connection, like

when you watch his films,

are there any particular
characters that you connect to?

Or ones that you pull for or?

Well, uh, Stephen Flyboy
from Dawn of the Dead.

Uh, because I do cosplay stuff
as Stephen & Flyboy & Zombie.

Um, yeah.

So cosplay, where,
where do you do that?

How does that work?

Oh, it started in 2015.

And I thought,

I wanted to do the
Flyboy character before,

and I've never done
anything like that really.

And there was a
convention in the UK,

and I thought, I'll do it.
I'll try it out.

So I went to the convention,

driving there with makeup on,

blood everywhere, and I thought

This is ridiculous.
Why am I doing this?

Got there.

Got to the parking lot.

Ah, I feel stupid.

Got out of the car,

and soon as I
got out of the car,

there was a lady there,
and she went:

"Wow that's amazing.
Can I get a photo?"

And then since it's just,
yeah, gone on and on and on.

One of the reasons
you're sitting here

is because you are an
avid Romero historian.

More than anybody I know.

Interestingly enough,

we didn't know each other
a year ago.

Uh, this all started with me,

uh, when my wife, Brenda,

She said: "Well you promised
you were gonna go

up in the attic and clean out
some of the stuff", you know.

Um, I do like to collect things.

So I had boxes
of different things

and I opened up the
one box, and I found

a scrapbook that I kept from
when I was in Day of the Dead.

and then I opened it up.
I looked at all the pictures

that I took, because
back in the day, Savini

uh, and I ended up
becoming pretty good friends.

And he said:
"Hey I'm I'm doing this film

uh, come on set,
bring your camera,

whatever photos
you take give me dupes,

you know, and just hang out,

oh, and I'll make you

into a zombie and you can

be in it". And I thought...

cool. So that's pretty good.

So, uh I got that scrapbook

and thought, oh I'll
take pictures of it

and I'll
I'll put it on Facebook.

And then you and
a couple other people

immediately messaged me,

Larry: I'm always looking
for those things.

Mike: and said this is awesome!
This is great stuff!

Because everybody threw
everything away back then.

One of the pictures I had,

which I just introduced a
couple days ago at a convention,

uh, was, uh, a a photo of the
kitchen wall,

which had like a storyboard

all the different scenes

all outlined.

Uh and I actually found my scene

which was 97A.

Torrez gets his head ripped off.
Larry: Right.

So, you know,
I was in that scene.

Uh, but I remember that
at the end of the production,

I - I walked in and

everything was off of that wall.

They just tore it all off
and threw it in the garbage.

And no ones thinking
anything of that.

Myself, though I - I

I decided, well I'm gonna keep

the, uh, contract that I signed

you know, for a dollar.
Larry: Sure.

And then, you know, at
the end of the day, uh,

my call sheet was up there.

I take my call sheet
off the wall,

and no one seemed
to care about that.

So I put that in my scrapbook.

And I actually had the
original dollar bill

Larry: That's incredible.
Mike: that they had paid me.

And I put that
in the scrapbook, too.

And then once I got all
the photos developed

and I gave Tom his,

I kinda put them
in the scrapbook.

But then when
I took a picture of that,

which is how I
ended up meeting you,

uh that's
that's when I found out

how much interest there still
was in in in the memorabilia

from that time.
Larry: Sure,

props, paperwork, anything.

Mike: Anything, and I kinda
thought more about,

you know, what it meant to me,

and and and my role in that.

And up until that time,

uh, it was just like something I
did that I thought was fun.

And then I get invited to
my first convention,

and basically thanks to you,

because you spotted that,
you know, and...

I find a lot of zombies.

People who had no idea about the
fans... Mike: Absolutely

in the world of these
horror conventions out there.

So I go to my first convention,

and and the reason I'm
even sitting here right now

making this movie

is I was absolutely blown away

by all the fans that

that even had any
interest in me as a person.

I - I've had a really
interesting life,

and I did a bunch of things.

I did a lot of car racing.

I won all these trophies
and everything, but...

They wanna know about
the George Romero flick.

Right, they wanna know about
my 5 seconds on screen

when I helped you know
rip Torrez's head off,

you know, in that scene.

And - and it got me thinking

about that whole subject matter.

What is it about

the Romero films that
resonate so much,

not only with the fans,

but with you and I and
everybody that was in the film?

There's a great interaction now
uh, between the fans and the

different people that are
in the movie.

And you have to understand
that people like . . .

I'm - I'm not a movie star.

I, you know, I
I was a publisher...

a book publisher and
a magazine publisher.

You know, I just got
lucky to be in a film

that George was doing
because I knew him.

And, and never thought
that 45 years later,

that people would be
talking about it,

or people that want my autograph

not for my publishing,

but for the 3 seconds
that I'd been on screen,

you know with the head blast.
Uh, but - but,

and then a lot of other
people just like me,

that were just secondary
zombies in the movie,

you know, are now sought out

you know, just to meet.

And I, uh, I very...

I mean we really enjoy that fact
that people, you know,

enjoyed what we did,
uh, as small as it was.

We wouldn't be here without,
#1 George Romero, of course.

But the fans, I mean if, if

the fans weren't a part of

the loving of George Romero,

you know, Thomas and me,

and everbody else,

we wouldn't even be here.

So thank-thank God for the fans.

Are there a lot of conventions
in the UK for,like cosplay,

or even Romero conventions
in the UK?

There was comicons really,

but then there wasn't horror
conventions, per se, until

a little bit later on, so

we then started a
George Romero themed

convention called
Weekend of the Dead

[Brian OC] Okay.

em, around 2015, and since then

we had
George Romero guests over.

And, uh, yeah we had a
mini convention in the UK.

Obviously we can't come
to the Mall, but we try

and make it as
as good as possible.

I still find it strange now
thinking, cosplay,

cause I always thought the word
cosplay was like a nerdy thing.

NERDS!

But, em, now everyones been
so amazing about it.

Well, you go to
these conventions and

you're not the
only one dressed up.

[Both] No.

In fact I'm probably in the
minority not being dressed up.

Yeah.

when I go.

Yeah.

Hey, wait a second.

You bump into people.

Like there was a lady yesterday
who was like,

eh, FlyGirl,

who was walking around
with all the makeup on

and everything,
and it was like, You!

So do you have a big collection
of stuff at home?

Yeah, I've got a storage unit
full of stuff - and...

A storage unit?

Yeah.

Of Romero stuff?

A lot of Romero.
A lot of horror.

A lot of B movies - and...

Wow!

and soundtracks, posters,
just everything really.

I just remember the title:

Night of the Living Dead.

That was the scariest
title out there.

And I'm like, you know,
I saw the Exorcist.

And It's like, you know, I know.

But when that movie came out

I, no, I don't
wanna watch this man.

And like I heard this
is the scary one.

And when I saw it
and, I was just,

I got fish-hooked ever since,

you know. I'm, yeah I'm
on the Romero train for life.

It seems like a big
kinda family event.

Brian: Everybody...
Kim: Yes

knows everybody.

Like a family reunion - right?
Right - Oh yes, definitely.

Kim: Definitely.
[Brian OC] How does that work?

[Brian OC] Is that something
you look forward to?

Right.

Kim: All the time.
Barbie: Yeah.

Ha ha, because again,

you see kinda the same people
at certain ones in the area,

so you do
definitely become friends

and you look forward
to seeing them too,

not just the celebrities.

You look forward to seeing them.

I just met Kim last year
at the same event,

and, you know,
of course, Facebook.

Kim: and we're on
Facebook a lot.

And Facebooks helps
keep everything in, yeah.

[Brenda OC] Do you have a
really outrageous story

from behind the scenes that
nobody would believe?

I just heard one yesterday
from Tom Savini.

Ha ha - I'm sorry.

He said: "Jeanie".

Tom and I were doing
a, um, a Q&A

and he said to me, he said.

Do you remember when we
really got in trouble

in Dawn of the Dead?

And I said: "Yeah".

And then he brought it back. I
said is mine the same as yours?

One time, now,

you have to remember, we
were filming all night long.

All night long,

in the Monroeville Mall.

And then we had to
clean up after too.

Not that I had . . .

I left a lot of blood there, but

but, and then we had to shop
for the, um.

We had to shop for stuff
during the day, you know,

to create the stuff
we were doing at night. [laugh]

So one time Tom and I
were dead tired.

I don't think we he and I
had slept for 3 days.

We were working
all day buying stuff,

creating stuff,
talking about stuff.

And then night,
all night long,

we're filming.
And I'm doing stuff.

He's doing his stuff.

And, uh, we finally said,
let's, there's a room,

let's just lay down
for a couple hours.

I was like, okay.

So we went back
and just laid down.

I mean this is purely, like,

like you and me
just laying down.

This was just...
we just needed to rest.

So we rested for a couple hours.

Now get this.
We come out of the room,

and Tom is saying,

they were having this
huge board meeting.

I guess Richard Rubinstein
and Tom and,

they were having this huge,

important, quiet,
behind the scenes,

nobody else was invited meeting.

and Tom and I come out
and we're like. [snorting]

[laughing] So and we
got in trouble for that.

So that was a biggie.
[laughing]

I'll never tell.

Tom Savini denies this, but

I, the first day I worked
on Day of the Dead,

um, was
the first day of shooting.

And, um,

They put on my makeup.

Took 2 1/2 to 3 hours
to do the makeup

and to do the appliance,

because they used a latex mask,

and do my hands.

And, um

we shot

uh for...overtime.
We went overtime.

Musta shot, it musta,
it was a really long day.

And, um,

I came back

with the makeup on,
and came back

to the special effects room.

and they were gone.

Tom and all the interns,

Greg Nicotero, Howard Berger,

Mike Trcic,

were all gone.

And I had all this makeup on,

not knowing how,
I couldn't,

it wasn't just

makeup, stage makeup.

I couldn't get it off.

[Mike OC] They were appliances.

They were appliances.
I could take off part of it,

but I couldn't, and it was,

uh, so it was a nightmare.

So I had to drive home

with makeup on.
And at that time

there, it was on...

I had to take
the Pennsylvania Turnpike.

And there were
toll booth operators.

[Avery laughing]

So I'm coming through,

and it was also,

uh, it wasn't Halloween.

And, [chuckles]

so I, I'm surprised that the
uh, toll booth operator,

did not call the
Pennsylvania State Police.

The fun thing for us
was that after, after, uh,

the night was over
and we're leaving,

there was a pancake kitchen
across the street from the Mall.

[Jeanie laughing]

And we all decided
that we were hungry,

so we were gonna go
for breakfast.

And, uh,

we all walk into this
pancake kitchen,

all still made up and bloody.

And these people,

they, I, don't,
they had no clue.

[Jeanie giggling]
You know it wasn't Halloween.

This was December, I think.

Yeah it was cold outside.

And they didn't know there was
anything going on at the Mall

being, being shot, you know, so.

Bob: I mean.
Jeanie: You can only imagine it.

Actually, you, I wish we'd
had photos of their faces.

[both laughing]

Bob: But they did let us in.
Seriously, you can imagine.

[laughing]

When I met Tom
coming into the store,

I, I got his phone number

cause he said if you ever,
I forget what it was, but

if you ever find this magazine
or something.

Cause a lot of people
will come into the store

and have a magazine collection.

And we would buy it,
and then resell it.

So he was, I forget what
he was looking for,

but I had his phone number.

So then my girlfriend and I,

we were watching, um,
Knightriders on Cinemax.

She sees Savini on screen,

and, and she almost passes out.

[Mike mimicking her voice]
"That's the most handsome guy

I have ever seen in my life".
I can't...you know,

you know, I'm dating her.
And she's like

head over heels with this guy.

So what do? I say, I go
well, you know, I know him.

And she goes... [mimic voice]
No, you don't know him.

Yeah, I know him.

And she's: "No!"

Well, I'll call him right now.
I'll show you.

She's - so then she got quiet.

I pick up the phone.
Dial the number.

Tom answers, and I go...

Hey Tom, it's Mike the guy
at the comic store.

"Oh, yeah yeah", he says.

I got someone here that
really wants to talk to you.

So I give the phone to Holly,
and she's like, uhhhh.

But then she ends up
talking to him.

So he invites us over.

He goes: "Hey what are
you guys doing right now"?

"Come on over".

So we go over to his house.

So it went from

a customer in a comic store,
Larry: Sure

to, uh,

oh hey come on over
to the house.

I'll show you what
I'm working on.

I'm working on some really cool
effects and stuff like that, so.

I go down in his basement

and I see all of this stuff.

And he's asking me questions:
"What do you think of this?"

And, say, cause as a fan,
you know,

and then one thing
led to another

and we, we have this
real common interest in,

um, early science fiction films.

And we have these massive VHS
collections - both of us.

So I used to go over to his
house, and we used to watch,

you know, these - these
VHS tapes

and trade back and forth
and stuff like that.

And then, of course, the
opportunity came up...

"Hey, I'm, we're
shooting this thing

in this mine in Beaver Falls.

You wanna come out and,

you know, hang out on the set,

take pictures ,and I'll make
you into a zombie, so.

You know, my decision to

go to the store that day

puts me in a chair with you,

making a documentary film.

One of my earlier jobs,

uh, before we were publishing,

when I first got
out of high school,

I was a messenger
for an advertising agency.

And, uh, I had to constantly
be delivering packages

or picking them up
from different places.

And there was one particular
place I hated to go to because

it was - it had like

30 steps I had to keep walking
up to get to their offices.

There was no elevator.

And, uh, later on I realized
that it was called

Hardman Eastman Studios.

And, uh, the place I worked for

was doing
a lot of commercial work.

Uh, for and, uh, and
video work.

And it ended up it was

Marilyn Eastman and Karl Hardman
and I hadn't even realized that.

That was only 2 years after
Night of the Living Dead

was made, so.

I think one of the things,

and George and I
used to talk about this, um.

Uh, we talked about this
extensively at one point.

[clearing throat] People,

one, this notion that
like, when they made

Night of the Living Dead,

that they were a
bunch of amateurs.

That's...not true.

Bob M: Right.
Bob T: They had already...

There were a lot of people.
They were working a lot.

Pittsburgh was a phenomenally
creative town. You had

Ad agencies like
Ketchum MacLeod.

There was this network
of creativity. There was

WQED, you had Westinghouse
doing documentaries.

There were not 1 but 2 motion
picture labs in Pittsburgh.

And all the corporations
PPG and Heinz...

[Tinnel OC] So you had people.
You had illustrators,.

You had filmmakers.
You had editors. You had,

you know, it was a very
very creative town.

Right.

I mean it was, um.
[clearing throat]

They were hardly, like

you know, in Mom's basement

somewhere in Canton Ohio
trying to figure it out.

I mean, they were, they were
making a living doing this.

It was people doing
commercial work saying,

boy I'd really love
to make a movie.

What happens when a

Calgon research team

and their submarine are

reduced to micro size

and sent on a dangerous mission

deep inside a washing machine.

[alarm blaring]

Engines are at full captain!
We're stuck!

We've got to find out
what's on those fibers!

It was just such a - an
infancy in the whole

movie business.

I don't think anyone at the time

realized the hunger that people
had to know more about George,

or know more about Joe Dante
or John Landis, or any of this,

John Carpenter and
all this crazy wonderful

horror filmmaking that was
coming out of the late 70's.

And we were right there
with George. So we were

one of the first magazines

to do a - a feature
article on George.

Uh, and uh, we did one on

Mike Gornick.

And, uh, and then we
also did one on

Dawn of the Dead - probably one
of the first articles

on Dawn of the Dead.

And also leads into

that I had also designed
and published the

Dawn of the Dead
Poster Book, uh.

I also worked for
an ad agency a lot,

and, uh, we did a lot of
fake labels around

product that was in JC Penneys
in Dawn of the Dead.

♪ creepy music ♪

Because they weren't allowed
to show the actual names

of the makeup and everything.
So we had to

make up all these labels,
and - and

cover all the labels.

You know how like the
Brill Building in New York

is like the - the place where
all this great music like came.

You know what I'm talking about?

Like that's where a lot of
the songwriters,

Carole King, Neil Sedaka,

where they all hung out?

It's like 247
Fort Pitt Boulevard

is like the Horror
Brill Building, because...

Exactly. You also
had the animators.

Because you had
the animators there.

Rick Catizone was there.

I mean, I would just go upstairs

and hang out while he was doing

you know, pencil tests
for Creepshow.

I remember the first time I saw
footage of like the Creep.

It was just nice that

we were all in the same building
so we all became friends.

So how many days were you
the "Beef Treats" zombie

on the set of Day of the Dead?

Um, I think I was at least 4.

There's, because I'm
in different scenes...

You're there with Debra Gordon.

Mark [OC] Yeah, there's part of

it is with Debra,
because we were

we were, uh, corralled.
We were in the corral and, uh,

as a matter of fact, uh, Steel,

played by Gary Klar,

knocks off my had and says:
"Nice hat, asshole."

And knocks my hat off.

Klar: "Nice hat, asshole."

And, uh, we're-we're collected.

Then we're in the lab.

Dr. Logan's lab, who was played
by Richard Liberty,

[Mark OC] who was a
fantastic actor, and...

Um, uh, so uh, um,

so Debra Gordon's character and
I are chained to the wall.

[Zombies growling, Men shouting]

And then she disappears.

I don't know where she went.

I think she went out for pizza.

What?

♪ finger picking guitar music ♪

Larry: Near the end of
Day of the Dead,

your Football Zombie character

attacks Miguel on the platform.

That first scene
was shot in Florida,

and the other in Pennsylvania.

Your character's wardrobe was
specifically chosen to

add continunity
between these 2 locations.

Yes, actually I didn't know at
the time that I was

a continunity zombie.

But unfortunately, because I was

so short, uh,

the jersey would not
fit correctly.

So the costume designer didn't
know you know what to do.

Well you know what? Take
the jersey and flip it around.

What?

And we flipped it around
so it would fit better.

So "MAILBOX" which is
supposed to be on the rear,

said it on the front.

. . . sorry, honey
we're gonna work it out.

Oh my God.
I didn't know about that.

Where the continunity error
came in was when

the scene they had filmed before
mine in the Wampum mines,

the extra was
wearing the jersey correctly.

And, uh, not only was

that extra much taller than me,

uh, she also was a woman.

We did that scene twice
with me coming through the gate

where I'm coming up on
to that platform there.

The first time we did that
scene, I had my wristwatch on,

and I hear George yell: "Cut".

That was great, but Mailbox 22,
I
need for you to come over here.

And I was scared to death
I was only 19 years old.

I figured, oh well,
he didn't like what I did.

He didn't like the way I looked.

He's sending me home.
That's it.

He says: "No, we're gonna
do it again but

you gotta take
that wristwatch off".

So thankfully, the tube sock
was the style then,

so I stuffed the
wristwatch in my sock

and pulled it up cause the the
pants that came with the jersey

didn't have any pockets.

So then George actually
gave me some direction.

He says:
"Look what you did was great".

"What you did in the first take
I want you to do again".

"Do it exactly the
way you did it".

So I went back.
We got everything set up.

I came through the gate.

Came all th way across

till we got up to the platform
where Miguel was laying.

And you could see
my hand touch his face.

[screaming]

It was all sweaty, and then
the hand, and then

George said: "That was great!"

So that take is exactly the
the take that you see

in the movie,
cause we only did it 2 times.

There's a scene where I'm
trying to get to to Dr. Logan.

And I'm grabbing at him and,
I'm, but I can't reach him.

They have to be rewarded.

Reward is the key.

I'm convinced of that now.

And he-he says:
"I'm gonna teach you a lesson".

And then he turns out
the lights, and I'm..

I'm scared,

which a zombie would not.

A normal zombie
would not be scared.

And and I-I whimper.

[Mark wimpers]

I improvised that, cause I asked
George if that would be okay.

And he... And one of
the things about George

is he was a, he's, uh, was a,
was a actor's director.

And he let the actor's
creativity flow.

And he was tremendous.

♪ spooky music ♪

Look, we've been
planning this out for weeks.

We don't need the glow
in the dark makeup to win.

Where is it now?

Well I gave it to, uh...

Me, job done.

What do you mean?

I mixed it into Amy's kit.

Nate!

Okay, I got it.

Uh, did you guys
smell that stuff?

It looked like it was
freakin radioactive.

Where'd you even get it from?

Well I got it from that Magic
Shop just past the drug store.

Where?

By the cemetery...

You mean the one that's owned
by that creepy old guy?

Yeah.

Well, hold on a second,
let me get this straight.

You're talking about that shop
with the rat skeletons

and the
eyeballs in jars and stuff.

Yeah, that's the one.

That place closed down
like a year ago.

No, you guys don't know
what you're talking about.

I was there.
I got the stuff from that guy.

And yes, he's a
really creepy guy.

That's some Twilight Zone
crap right there,

cause I'm telling you

that the DEA, FDA, EPA,
or somebody

came in there,
raided the place,

and shut his ass down.

But that's where I was.

That's why I was late for the
studio the other day.

I was there!

Dude, David's right.

That place hasn't
existed for a while now.

What did you do?

♪ scary metal music ♪

Don't just sit there!

Go get that stuff!

NOW!

♪ scary music ♪

In Creepshow, um,

at the end of the, uh, segment

"To Tide You Over".

Um, Ted Danson and,
uh, Galen Ross,

who are the two play the
two, uh, characters who are

killed by
Leslie Nielsen's character.

Uh, come back from the dead.

[garbled] Want you to

come to the beach!

As-as zombies, I guess.
Return as zombies.

And, uh, the I, uh...

I believe they had to leave.

I don't know who,
which of the two

had to leave early,

but, um, they could only do
so-so much shooting.

So they, uh, George
recruited myself

and uh-uh Leslie Sullivan, who
was a PA, I believe, on the set.

So he grabbed
a PA off of the set.

Sure.

Alright.

And we became
those characters and...

They were wearing, uh,

shrouds with, uh, covered with
uh, with, um, seaweed.

But, um, and when
Ted Danson and Galen were...

Uh, Galen Ross were,
you could see their faces.

But they needed body shots,

and so they used
myself and Leslie

to come back
as the, as the...

So, and some of the shots is
actually me and Leslie Sullivan.

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[Brenda] I see absolutely no
resemblance to your face

when I compare it to
your zombie makeup.

So how long did that take?
What was it like?

That's a great question because
nobody's ever asked that before.

Because I remember he put on
a cast on my face.

I couldn't see.
I had a straw

to breathe out of.
My nose was plugged up.

I'm thinking,
I don't know this guy.

So I'm in this silent...

This is Tom Savini, I mean
I met him, I gave him $100

and he-he had me do this and

George wanted to
put me in the movie.

But I-I remember being
under this, but it took...

It took Tom about...
Well, we had to do a cast and

I wanna say it took us about
3 days to do what

Tom did to my face.

And then he put a squib, I had
to have a squib underneath.

But, yeah, you you don't do
stuff like that anymore.

But I remember when I first came
out before I had the

whole face thing on, um...

Tom...George Romero said:
"Tom, no she's still pretty".

"I want her to look ugly".

So we had to walk,
we had to...

And he had to put a
little more blood here.

So, and um-um but I remember
that George said

"No she looks she still
looks too pretty", like aww.

But you had to wear that,
and that squib that was put

on my face. They don't do that
stuff nowadays anymore.

Can you imagine if it would have
instead-instead of exploding,

it would of imploded?
I would have looked like

that one picture of me

after I did my scene.

It would have really...

But it didn't.
The guy was a genius.

And then, you know, and then
I had one on my back

after they shot me in the chest.
And the back blew apart.

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[gunshot]

Now that...I could
feel them though.

They're a they're like a
profil - prophylactic

filled with blood... that 3M
simulated blood.

I could feel when they touched
the battery wires together.

And I went - I could tell
and since I felt it..

when I was supposed to react.

Thanks for liking my scene
by the way, all of you!

This is so nice, I mean
geez-o-pete!

Cause I, you know, I by then I
was friends with Tom and Jeanie

and had met George and,
and everything we, uh,

uh, you know we got to be
made up and I-I got to be,

you know, a special zombie
is what they called them then.

So I was one of the ones,
you know, that was

able to get made up with the
squib and everthing and get, uh.

Yeah none of us knew what
we were gonna be doing.

You know, we were there
prettly much all night

in the makeup room, uh,
you know, just waiting around.

But uh, you know then they would
call us out, you know, and, uh.

My wife was with us, uh
and uh, she was made up.

She-she never really did
make the movie even though

she was in some scenes, but
they-they actually got cut.

And I didn't know that at the
time it was gonna be a close up.

Uh, the way it ended up,
because it was, uh...

It was a funny story, you know,

when we went to do it,
they explained to me

how the squib worked and that,
you know, Tom was sitting

across from me holding this
this fishing line

with a button that
was in my forehead

that had been made up, you know.

And what was gonna happen
when I hear the gunshot,

you know, that I knew to drop.

And that was great, you know.
George was standing there,

and he was so casual about it,

you know, and now
they're ready to go

and now I'm thinking,
well how do I fall?

Forward or backwards, or...

You know, and then I heard
the noise that fast

and I just went down.

You know, and I didn't realize
it was only gonna be a tight

head shot either.
And there was no...

You know, Ken Foree was not
on the set at the time.

There was nobody
shooting a gun, you know.

It was just-just
that scene that was shot.

So it was-it was an interesting
uh, way to see

how-how
movie making took place.

And no one, especially me,

would have figured that
beyond that night,

or getting to see myself on
screen when the movie came out.

That anybody was ever gonna
care about it after that.

What do you think of
George Romero's influence

on the world of
film and horror, because

so many things out there
have been inspired by him.

He pretty much created
the modern zombie.

Yeah he did, uh, and they didn't
even call it a zombie

in the beginning.
They they called it a a ghoul.

Right.

Uh, and I'm-I'm watching,
I'm watching Walking Dead, which

I was a huge fan of.

Actually when they came out with
the remake of Dawn of the Dead,

that really scared me because

in a Zombie Apocopalyse,

really all you need to do
is cross the street.

The zombies are slow, you know.

But in Dawn of the Dead [2004]
and World War Z,

that really freaked me out
because they're fast!

And-and I'm not
young enough where

I can get away from them
anymore, so I'm dead

in a Zombie Apocopalyse.

But I see Greg Nicotero

is the guy that is responsible
for The Walking Dead,

and Greg was basically...

Larry: He started with you
on Day of the Dead.

Mike: Yeah, and so he's
an apprentice to Tom basically

on Day of the Dead.

And I-and I have
some interesting

behind the scenes photos that

show a scene that was
actually cut from the film.

That's very interesting.

Yeah, so we - Greg. uh is
ripping Taso's head off.

Mike: Uh, you know
the Torrez scene

rips his head off.

Mike: And that all
went really well.

Uh, but then he's
standing there with the head,

and in this one photo
you can see

George has the
camera on a dolly.

And and Greg is looking that way

and he's holding the head.

And the head is
looking this way.

And, uh, so the dolly
uh, follows the head

as it screams silently.

Meanwhile there's an operator

that has cables going down

Greg's back and down his sleeve

and into the fake head.

So its screaming silently
and the dolly's following it.

Mike: That took hours
Larry: Wow!

to film and then [spits].
Cut from the film.

So, you know,
Greg starts with Tom.

Well Tom, actually,
started with Alan Ormsby.

Right? Isn't that?
Do I have that right?

Larry: Deathdream.
Mike: Uh, yeah Deathdream.

That was a creepy film.

So that - that connection
comes up, and I'm sure

Tom could tell
an interesting story as to

what decision he made,

that he didn't realize was
gonna turn into something,

where he's working
with Alan Ormsby.

And that leads to
all these other things.

Sure.

[Brenda OC] Besides your work
on Dawn of the Dead,

did you ever collaborate
in other Romero films?

We were on the sets of other
movies. I know with Knightriders

I wasn't in Knightriders,

but I did some of the
props for Knightriders.

You know there was the
magazine they were reading.

Now, see, I didn't
know about this.

The article about them,
you know, I had

done that prop, you know.

With Dawn of the Dead you know.
We were both in Dawn of the Dead

Jeanie did my makeup,
in Dawn of the Dead.

Scope Zombie.

Yeah, actually I played
two zombies, so.

You did.

And you did
the other makeup, too,

where I had my sort of
like an eye gouged out.

And was, uh, that scene...
I was a different zombie,

and we were going down
on one of the bikers

outside as they were,

you know we
knocked off the bike, so...

[zombies moaning]

[machine gun fire]

That was one scene,
and the other one was the

now affectionally called
the Scope Zombie,

where we were,
I have a head blast.

So, uh, yeah, and then
and I worked with

some different things behind
the scenes of that movie too.

So we've known each other
over 45 years.

Yeah.

And we're still friends.

[laughter] I was gonna say.
And we still stay friends.

Yeah.

There aren't other movies
out there besides George's

who celebrate essentially
what are extras in a film.

But the zombies in
George's film are the extras

and people want to
meet all of them!

They, yep all of them.
And-and I do too!

Things that are connected to
that initial decision,

and then simple decision...

Yep.

That's my favorite thing
about life.

I always look at choice,
your decision to choose

as almost an absolute.

The decisions that we made

that were just random decisions,

puts us in the chair
across from each other,

sharing in this amazing
group of people that

that we care about,
and care about us.

And the crazy thing is with me.

I know you are a zombie
in Day of the Dead.

I was not in George's films,

so I understand when
somebody wants your autograph.

Sometimes they want my
autograph, and I'm like...

I'm not worthy. They have items
signed by George Romero.

Yeah they come signing posters.

And they ask me to sign.

Yeah, what the heck.

No, I don't belong on there
and they insist,

and then I finally oblige

because I don't want
to disappoint them.

But I'm like...
I don't belong on there.

But sort of I get it also

because I give them
a sort of, uh, enjoyment,

uh, coming back to the Mall and
explaining everything about

Dawn of the Dead that...
Everything that happened

in the Mall and they-they have
that in their minds and

it really helps them imagine
being back there at the time,

even though the Mall has changed
so much over the years.

Well and also you know everybody
Larry: Yes.

You knew...
I met George 38 years ago,

but that was the
last time I saw George.

Uh, we didn't really have
and inter-interaction.

But you saw George...

I met him many times
at conventions.

Mike: Yeah, many times.

And as one of the best
interactions was,

besides the first time...

Larry: The first time it just
showed me what a

normal ordinary guy he was.

Larry: I waited 3 hours
to meet him.

I get up there, sit
next to him and I said:

How does it feel
to be so beloved?

And he says:
"I can't fuckin believe it!"

So when you got to-to meet
George seems like you had...

You made a connection
with him.

I walked up to him.
His face lit up.

He grabbed my hand.

Looked me in the eye
the whole time.

And then got a photo together.

He gave me a hug, and it
just felt so special.

I'm so happy that,

whatever decisions I made,

not knowing where-where
it was gonna lead, uh,

helped introduce me to
this amazing world

of Romero fans and films.

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♪ creepy metal music ♪

You Okay bud?

Look what you did!

What do you mean?
What did you do?

Put glow in the dark makeup
in your kit!

He what?

I'm sorry.
This is all my idea.

We think there was something
wrong with the makeup.

Ya think?

♪creepy metal music intensifies♪

[playing "They Crawl"]
by 13 Occult

Get out of my way!

Sean! Sean!

SEAN!

No! [Samantha screaming]

What the hell, Sean?

[Nate screaming]

[Nate screaming]

[Avery screams OC]

No!

[Jeanie OC] Hey! Stop!

Pick on somebody your own size!

[zombie Sean growling]

[Jesse OC] Larry?

[static]

[Jesse OC] Larry?

Mike: You don't look that great.

You feel okay?

Uh, no uh, my-my heads
really starting to hurt.

I don't...
I gotta get out of here.

Jesse: Larry?

Hey Larry, you okay?

[metal chair clanks]

♪ spooky pipe organ music ♪

[Zombie Larry growls]

♪ "They Crawl" ♪
by 13 Occult continues

[Jeanie OC] Hey!

Pick on someone your own size!

Yeah, well that leaves me out!

[crew laughing]

[Sean growling OC]

[Mike OC laughing] Cut!