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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,540 --> 00:00:11,010 Hi, I'm Lori Milliron. Um... 2 00:00:11,010 --> 00:00:13,010 Wh... What would you like to know? 3 00:00:18,140 --> 00:00:20,180 I was the girlfriend. 4 00:00:20,180 --> 00:00:22,100 A longtime girlfriend. 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,270 I started working at the dentistry at 2002. 6 00:00:29,270 --> 00:00:30,780 That's when I met Larry. 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,610 He was the owner of practice and extremely successful. 8 00:00:35,610 --> 00:00:38,910 He was always traveling to Africa or some place. 9 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,710 He started asking me out immediately. 10 00:00:48,590 --> 00:00:52,210 He would write me little notes and send me flowers. 11 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,010 I was reluctant. 12 00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:02,220 But after a little while, I slowly, slowly got to know him. 13 00:01:04,060 --> 00:01:09,900 Our childhoods were very similar, in that our mothers were kind of crazy. 14 00:01:11,230 --> 00:01:15,240 We really made a connection, a friendship based on that. 15 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,280 But one of the girls at the office told me he was married. 16 00:01:21,370 --> 00:01:23,870 And I said to Larry, "I've heard you're married." 17 00:01:23,870 --> 00:01:26,920 And he said, "It's okay. We do our own thing. 18 00:01:27,620 --> 00:01:29,750 Let me be your entertainment." 19 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,180 He asked me if I wanted to go somewhere with him. 20 00:01:40,430 --> 00:01:43,640 And then we started traveling all over the place. 21 00:01:46,350 --> 00:01:49,520 - You have to be in the video. - I don't wanna be in the video. 22 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,520 - Stop it. - Okay. 23 00:01:53,530 --> 00:01:57,320 As we traveled, we fell in love. Hundred percent. 24 00:02:13,460 --> 00:02:15,130 I'm Dr. Larry Rudolph. 25 00:02:15,130 --> 00:02:17,800 No sights, no sounds, and no fears. 26 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,840 This case is just as salacious as a True Crime story. 27 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,800 Infidelity, fraud, and murder. 28 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,890 Well, now, he's being accused of murder. 29 00:02:24,890 --> 00:02:26,980 Sixty five year old Lori Milliron... 30 00:02:27,100 --> 00:02:28,390 The husband and his mistress... 31 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,310 Prosecutor said Rudolph intended to start a new life 32 00:02:31,310 --> 00:02:32,400 with his girlfriend... 33 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,730 ...who is also his office manager. 34 00:02:34,730 --> 00:02:38,490 There was no ulterior motive, or you know... 35 00:02:39,990 --> 00:02:42,450 ...plan to do this. 36 00:02:42,450 --> 00:02:45,830 He's not this horrible person. I'm not either. 37 00:02:45,830 --> 00:02:48,660 This call is from a federal prison. 38 00:03:28,660 --> 00:03:30,910 Dr. Rudolph, we're back on the record. 39 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,250 Are you ready to proceed? 40 00:03:32,250 --> 00:03:34,040 - Yes, sir. - Okay. 41 00:03:34,170 --> 00:03:36,920 When were you first introduced to hunting? 42 00:03:43,050 --> 00:03:45,050 My father first introduced me 43 00:03:46,890 --> 00:03:49,060 when I was just a small boy. 44 00:03:52,730 --> 00:03:56,150 I had an affinity for the outdoors, like a lot of young kids do. 45 00:03:56,690 --> 00:04:02,780 My father was a very kind and wonderful man who taught me to be a good hunter. 46 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,740 And he taught me patience, to sit still, listen and look. 47 00:04:07,370 --> 00:04:08,950 It just was in my blood. 48 00:04:10,830 --> 00:04:15,080 I took my first African safari in 1986. 49 00:04:15,830 --> 00:04:17,540 I was in love with the adventure. 50 00:04:22,510 --> 00:04:23,930 Did he hunt a lot? Yes. 51 00:04:25,890 --> 00:04:28,930 Mostly in Africa, when I was much younger. 52 00:04:30,140 --> 00:04:31,770 I have a lot of good memories. 53 00:04:32,390 --> 00:04:36,940 I remember it was a quiet, remote, peaceful place. 54 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,110 He was an experienced hunter. 55 00:04:41,900 --> 00:04:46,780 He had over 400 and something different species of animals. 56 00:04:46,780 --> 00:04:51,540 That's pretty prestigious in that world. 57 00:04:53,910 --> 00:04:55,460 The more hunting I did, 58 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,590 it drew me into pro-hunting and conservation. 59 00:04:59,710 --> 00:05:00,960 My wife, Bianca, and I 60 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,630 spent over 25 years committed, devoted to those missions. 61 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,100 The single, most powerful, 62 00:05:10,100 --> 00:05:13,480 most influential hunter's rights organization in the world. 63 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,520 Join... like your way of life depends on it. 64 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,320 The Safari Club was founded in 1972. 65 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,700 It grew to over 300 chapters. 66 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:36,120 And we're now the world's largest sport hunting international organization. 67 00:05:38,790 --> 00:05:41,340 At SCI, we protect the rights of all hunters. 68 00:05:41,340 --> 00:05:44,590 No matter what you hunt, how you hunt, or where you hunt. 69 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,050 The National Rifle Association 70 00:05:48,050 --> 00:05:49,760 is all about, you know, shooting, 71 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,800 Second Amendment Rights, that kind of thing, 72 00:05:51,810 --> 00:05:55,930 where Safari Club International is more behind the hunters. 73 00:05:55,930 --> 00:05:58,020 Safari Club is a very big deal. 74 00:05:58,730 --> 00:06:01,610 Our convention is national news. 75 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,940 We have an interesting group of celebrities that attend. 76 00:06:06,950 --> 00:06:09,860 We all have to stand up, and stand up for what we believe in. 77 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:12,070 For our passions, for the outdoors, for hunting, 78 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,370 for shooting and for everything. And there's no better place than this. 79 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:19,880 So, yeah, Safari Club is just a wonderful organization. 80 00:06:29,430 --> 00:06:33,930 To be president of Safari Club is a big deal if you're in Safari Club. 81 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,600 In 1998, I became president. I took it very seriously. 82 00:06:40,980 --> 00:06:44,690 When I was president, George Bush Sr., 83 00:06:44,690 --> 00:06:49,570 General Schwarzkopf, and Chuck Yeager attended the convention. 84 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:55,790 I hope that I furthered the mission of Safari Club. 85 00:07:06,340 --> 00:07:10,170 When Larry and my friend Bianca would walk into a room, 86 00:07:10,180 --> 00:07:12,140 it was like the room was on fire. 87 00:07:14,510 --> 00:07:18,100 It was a very impressive show that they did. 88 00:07:19,730 --> 00:07:23,610 It was fun to watch her talk to people about hunting. 89 00:07:24,270 --> 00:07:28,900 Bianca's eyes would light up. Green eyes, just with this fire behind them. 90 00:07:30,070 --> 00:07:31,820 She was a wonderful shot. 91 00:07:31,820 --> 00:07:35,820 She knew how to take down the animals better than most men I know. 92 00:07:35,830 --> 00:07:38,620 This river can't be crossed by swinging on a vine. 93 00:07:38,620 --> 00:07:41,410 Crocodiles are its principle inhabitants. 94 00:07:41,410 --> 00:07:44,500 When Bianca started big game hunting, 95 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,670 she really, really enjoyed leopard hunting. 96 00:07:48,670 --> 00:07:49,800 That was her favorite. 97 00:07:51,010 --> 00:07:53,470 She like the way they looked, the way the acted. 98 00:07:53,470 --> 00:07:57,680 The fact that they were amazing predators, and you know... 99 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,310 It was a tremendous sport trophy to acquire. 100 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,400 Bianca seemed to be very nice, personable, 101 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,940 and she was clearly devoted to Larry. 102 00:08:12,860 --> 00:08:14,990 When I first met Larry Rudolph, 103 00:08:14,990 --> 00:08:18,200 he reminded me of Howdy Doody without freckles. 104 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,240 I might even dance a little bit, too. 105 00:08:20,250 --> 00:08:22,710 That's good. 106 00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:26,500 He was friendly and he had that look about him, 107 00:08:27,500 --> 00:08:31,420 but I'd started having very big concerns 108 00:08:31,420 --> 00:08:34,300 about the morality of Larry Rudolph. 109 00:08:34,300 --> 00:08:36,590 There were lots of tall tales he told. 110 00:08:48,860 --> 00:08:53,190 The first time I met Larry Rudolph, he had approached me and said, 111 00:08:53,190 --> 00:08:55,030 "I went fishing in Zambia 112 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,870 and this crocodile bit the tip of my thumb off." 113 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,080 If anything, you'd be missing a hand. 114 00:09:03,790 --> 00:09:06,330 There was a rumor that he had cut it off with a hatchet. 115 00:09:06,620 --> 00:09:09,380 You know, I mean, there were all kinds of rumors going around. 116 00:09:09,380 --> 00:09:11,210 Some people bought into it. 117 00:09:12,300 --> 00:09:14,720 Some people thought, "Wow, this is amazing. 118 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:20,430 This guy fought off a crocodile, and only lost his thumb. He's really a stud." 119 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,100 It created a mythology around him. 120 00:09:25,140 --> 00:09:28,980 The hunting community recognizes a tough guy. 121 00:09:30,150 --> 00:09:34,320 Somebody who takes the most difficult hunts, who challenges himself. 122 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,320 I think Larry saw the Safari Club presidency 123 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,080 as something that he wanted, and he was going to get it. 124 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,750 Hello, my name is Dr. Larry Rudolph, 125 00:09:45,750 --> 00:09:49,000 and I'm a candidate for president-elect of Safari Club. 126 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,580 We are the most powerful... 127 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:53,880 He ran against Ron Arendt. A reasonable, ethical guy. 128 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,470 I was primed to become the president, 129 00:09:58,340 --> 00:10:01,350 but Larry wanted to be president of Safari Club International 130 00:10:01,350 --> 00:10:03,100 above and beyond everything else. 131 00:10:04,020 --> 00:10:07,770 He was not gonna play fair. I didn't know how unfair he would play. 132 00:10:09,060 --> 00:10:12,650 It was a Friday, and I was going to visit my family. 133 00:10:12,650 --> 00:10:15,780 And he said to me, "I want you to put these in envelopes 134 00:10:15,780 --> 00:10:18,450 and mail them along your way home." 135 00:10:18,450 --> 00:10:20,740 He wanted different postmarks on them. 136 00:10:20,740 --> 00:10:23,910 They were ballots for his office of president. 137 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,670 He said he didn't do that. He claimed that he didn't do anything wrong. 138 00:10:29,670 --> 00:10:32,040 - Vote for Larry. - Vote for Larry. 139 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,710 Larry craved power. 140 00:10:35,300 --> 00:10:38,090 Ron Arendt lost fairly significantly. 141 00:10:38,090 --> 00:10:40,970 Absolutely I was worried for the organization. 142 00:10:41,930 --> 00:10:45,890 I think Larry was a small man with a big ego and that's a dangerous game. 143 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,120 Hi, I'm Larry Rudolph, president of Safari Club International. 144 00:11:05,660 --> 00:11:09,500 Almost ten months have passed since I took the office as your president. 145 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:11,170 The time has passed quickly. 146 00:11:12,210 --> 00:11:15,090 There were things that Bianca would overlook. 147 00:11:15,090 --> 00:11:18,010 She would give him the benefit of the doubt. 148 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,180 If being president made Larry happy, she was gonna support him in it. 149 00:11:23,180 --> 00:11:24,720 And she did it very well. 150 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:28,520 There's a luncheon that always happens at Safari Club. 151 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:33,940 And she would talk to people and educate them about what hunting was all about. 152 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,480 And then Larry was doing some of the ads for Safari Club. 153 00:11:39,490 --> 00:11:41,570 Hi, my name is Dr. Larry Rudolph... 154 00:11:41,570 --> 00:11:45,620 He liked to see himself on TV. That was his medium. He knew it. 155 00:11:45,620 --> 00:11:48,700 He'd been involved in it before in his dental practice. 156 00:11:57,590 --> 00:11:59,170 Building himself up. 157 00:11:59,170 --> 00:12:02,260 "Look what I am. Look what I've done. Look what I continue to do." 158 00:12:02,260 --> 00:12:04,930 I think he fancied himself a better version 159 00:12:04,930 --> 00:12:06,300 of Wayne LaPierre. 160 00:12:06,300 --> 00:12:10,220 To stop a bad guy with a gun, 161 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:13,890 it takes a good guy with a gun. 162 00:12:25,490 --> 00:12:27,870 Larry is a megalomaniac. 163 00:12:29,870 --> 00:12:34,000 Once there was a major fundraiser up in Alaska. 164 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,170 Sarah Palin was gonna be speaking that night. 165 00:12:38,170 --> 00:12:41,510 You say, I say, we say, "Keep your change. 166 00:12:41,510 --> 00:12:44,800 We'll keep our God, our guns, our Constitution." 167 00:12:46,390 --> 00:12:49,720 There was just a mass of red roses all across the stage. 168 00:12:51,310 --> 00:12:55,020 And Larry was coming out with his arms spread wide as if to give her a hug. 169 00:12:55,020 --> 00:13:01,150 Larry tried to work his way in to try to get close to her. 170 00:13:01,150 --> 00:13:03,030 Sarah put up her hands like this, 171 00:13:03,030 --> 00:13:06,280 basically saying, "Don't you come any closer." 172 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,450 If he saw a woman, whether she was married, engaged, 173 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:13,700 you know, it didn't matter, 174 00:13:13,710 --> 00:13:19,090 he would just go up and insert himself into the situation. 175 00:13:21,090 --> 00:13:25,510 Larry went to a convention and took a woman with him. 176 00:13:25,510 --> 00:13:27,720 And they shared the same unit together. 177 00:13:29,260 --> 00:13:31,140 It was somewhat scandalous. 178 00:13:31,850 --> 00:13:35,020 What's going on? This man is married. He's got a woman staying with him. 179 00:13:35,020 --> 00:13:37,310 Rumor was later on, it was Lori. 180 00:13:38,860 --> 00:13:41,980 Everybody went, "That's not Bianca." 181 00:13:41,980 --> 00:13:44,070 You know, they all know Bianca. 182 00:13:44,070 --> 00:13:46,860 It was such a slap in the face. 183 00:13:47,610 --> 00:13:49,240 Bianca didn't know at that point, 184 00:13:49,740 --> 00:13:53,160 but he obviously was already having an affair. 185 00:13:53,660 --> 00:13:57,910 In what capacity was Miss Milliron, uh, accompanying you? 186 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,630 She was there in a capacity as a medical aide to me. 187 00:14:00,630 --> 00:14:02,420 - Medical aide? - Yes, sir. 188 00:14:02,420 --> 00:14:03,500 Okay. 189 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:07,720 He would have to take her to these trips, because he had a heart problem. 190 00:14:08,220 --> 00:14:11,600 What's more is she's a hygienist. She's not a nurse. 191 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,430 The entire chapter was very concerned 192 00:14:15,430 --> 00:14:17,060 about the way this looked. 193 00:14:17,060 --> 00:14:18,980 But it was just the tip of the iceberg. 194 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,480 He was even cheating on Lori. I heard stories. 195 00:14:25,490 --> 00:14:27,030 I've heard more than rumors. 196 00:14:29,910 --> 00:14:32,700 A young lady called me up one day and she said, 197 00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:36,160 "Larry has been showing some interest in me. 198 00:14:36,790 --> 00:14:39,370 And I've been told that he's divorcing." 199 00:14:39,870 --> 00:14:42,790 She said he sent her a bouquet. 200 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,380 And in the middle of the bouquet was a dildo. 201 00:14:47,510 --> 00:14:50,970 Larry had, from what I could see, very few scruples or morals. 202 00:14:50,970 --> 00:14:56,010 Extramarital affairs and lying as the president of Safari Club 203 00:14:56,020 --> 00:14:58,310 is completely unacceptable. 204 00:14:58,980 --> 00:15:02,940 I opened the investigation to get him tossed from the club. 205 00:15:02,940 --> 00:15:05,610 - Good morning, Dr. Rudolph. - Morning, sir. 206 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,240 Safari Club decided to take him completely out of the record book, 207 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,570 and they took him out of the history, so he doesn't exist anymore. 208 00:15:13,570 --> 00:15:17,250 Hi, I'm Dr. Larry Rudolph, president of SCI. 209 00:15:27,340 --> 00:15:29,840 I had seen Bianca. 210 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,300 And all of the light had gone out of her eyes. 211 00:15:35,850 --> 00:15:37,430 She didn't wanna believe that... 212 00:15:37,930 --> 00:15:41,890 that Larry had done anything dishonest or unethical, 213 00:15:41,890 --> 00:15:45,190 until things really started stacking up. 214 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,360 She really hid it from us. And she did that to protect us. 215 00:15:50,860 --> 00:15:53,990 It says a lot about the kind of parent she was. 216 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,540 My mother brought out the best in him. 217 00:15:58,540 --> 00:16:01,580 And Lori Milliron brought out the worst. 218 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,790 Now, obviously Bianca knew about Lori... 219 00:16:06,590 --> 00:16:11,880 but she still was going to help him get through the Safari Club stuff. 220 00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:15,550 I think she may have said to him, 221 00:16:15,550 --> 00:16:18,970 "It was a lapse in judgment, but maybe we can fix it." 222 00:16:19,970 --> 00:16:25,310 And they moved up to Arizona. They had this little place there. 223 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,150 Bianca was very protective of her marriage. 224 00:16:30,150 --> 00:16:32,570 She said "Yes, we're working on it." 225 00:16:34,410 --> 00:16:35,990 She loved Larry to death. 226 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,080 She would've done anything for him. 227 00:16:47,210 --> 00:16:52,170 Your primary residence in Arizona with whom do you live there? 228 00:16:52,170 --> 00:16:53,800 My wife. 229 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,840 See, we've had a property in Phoenix for a number of years. 230 00:17:03,060 --> 00:17:05,560 Bianca loved the Arizona house. 231 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:08,860 And she made it her own. 232 00:17:10,190 --> 00:17:12,990 They were doing a lot of things together. 233 00:17:15,450 --> 00:17:17,700 Everything was going very well. 234 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,280 And it just seemed like somebody's just flipped a switch. 235 00:17:22,790 --> 00:17:26,120 You see us kissing and hugging and we're the happy couple 236 00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:29,420 and we're the perfect couple and everything's good. 237 00:17:29,420 --> 00:17:31,920 And, oh, no, it's not. 238 00:17:38,550 --> 00:17:41,640 After they had thrown Larry out of Safari Club, 239 00:17:42,890 --> 00:17:47,770 he had sold his house and moved to Arizona full time. 240 00:17:48,650 --> 00:17:51,570 So I figured, you know, he and Bianca had moved on. 241 00:17:52,570 --> 00:17:54,150 Um... 242 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,030 I had a loyalty to him, 243 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:08,000 so I did whatever it took to keep the business running. 244 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,710 I worked all day, every day, seven days a week. 245 00:18:15,050 --> 00:18:19,430 It's hard to be a manager and, you know, make sure things are running smoothly, 246 00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:21,850 and everybody's doing what they're supposed to do. 247 00:18:21,850 --> 00:18:24,640 And on top of that, by herself. 248 00:18:25,140 --> 00:18:28,940 It was really hard and became untenable for her. 249 00:18:29,650 --> 00:18:32,820 We have five offices, and we're understaffed. 250 00:18:33,770 --> 00:18:36,400 All right. Well... 251 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,280 I'm not even gonna talk to you about this. 252 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:40,780 I feel like I'm not doing enough. 253 00:18:40,780 --> 00:18:43,580 What? I never said that. You're doing more than enough. 254 00:18:43,700 --> 00:18:47,120 - I feel like I'm not doing enough. - You're working your tail off. 255 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:48,250 Oh, boy. 256 00:18:49,580 --> 00:18:52,790 He was in Arizona. Bianca was out there with him. 257 00:18:52,790 --> 00:18:55,460 And then he'd swoop in to see Lori. 258 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,550 A coworker said, "If anybody calls here and asks if Lori still works here, 259 00:19:02,550 --> 00:19:05,970 more specifically, his wife, tell them no." 260 00:19:08,140 --> 00:19:10,020 He had them by the thumb. 261 00:19:10,020 --> 00:19:12,230 You know, he had his thumb on both of them 262 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:15,440 and control over them, and money-wise and everything. 263 00:19:22,530 --> 00:19:26,200 Lori was so tired of being on the side. 264 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,700 She wanted to have whatever she wanted 265 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:30,540 and be able to show it off. 266 00:19:31,620 --> 00:19:33,580 She wanted Bianca's life. 267 00:19:35,670 --> 00:19:39,880 One time she came to my house and she goes, "Hey, I brought some red wine." 268 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,550 She goes, "I hope you like wine." 269 00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:44,010 We had a long conversation. 270 00:19:44,510 --> 00:19:48,020 It surprised me because she just didn't communicate with people. 271 00:19:49,060 --> 00:19:53,350 I felt bad for her. She had nobody to talk to. 272 00:19:54,270 --> 00:19:56,690 So she just opened up. 273 00:19:58,030 --> 00:20:00,950 She wanted to get this off her chest. 274 00:20:01,950 --> 00:20:04,950 She said that she gave Larry an ultimatum, 275 00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:08,370 and that ultimatum was to get rid of Bianca. 276 00:20:09,620 --> 00:20:11,710 She said she gave him one year. 277 00:20:13,420 --> 00:20:16,000 I was like, "Get rid of her, like, how or what do you mean? 278 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,250 Divorce, like..." 279 00:20:18,460 --> 00:20:22,050 And looking back, I didn't put anything together. 280 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,820 I didn't like Larry but Bianca did. 281 00:20:38,820 --> 00:20:42,900 So I was really hoping that they could pull it together. 282 00:20:44,860 --> 00:20:47,450 She said that they were gonna take a trip to Zambia. 283 00:20:48,370 --> 00:20:51,580 You know, "We're gonna go away, we're gonna have fun, we're gonna hunt. 284 00:20:52,500 --> 00:20:55,250 We'll be alone. Nobody's gonna be around us. 285 00:20:55,750 --> 00:21:00,170 So there's no pressures. There's no interference from anyone." 286 00:21:01,340 --> 00:21:04,760 She was gonna do this leopard hunt and he was gonna support her in it. 287 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,260 If you were Bianca, you would be thinking, 288 00:21:07,260 --> 00:21:09,810 "Well, maybe he really wants to work on this." 289 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,560 But he had other ideas. 290 00:21:39,710 --> 00:21:42,960 I'm sorry, I'm finding my motivation. Give me a second. 291 00:21:47,550 --> 00:21:52,140 I am a former US State Department foreign service officer. 292 00:21:52,140 --> 00:21:55,230 Arguably the pinnacle of my career may have been 293 00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:59,810 when I was the ambassador to the Republic of Zambia in southern Africa. 294 00:22:03,780 --> 00:22:08,700 It's a beautiful country and some of the most beautiful wildlife. 295 00:22:09,780 --> 00:22:11,950 - Elephants and lions and buffalo. 296 00:22:12,790 --> 00:22:16,200 No rhinos left in Zambia. There used to be a ton of them there. 297 00:22:16,210 --> 00:22:18,830 - And there are leopards. 298 00:22:18,830 --> 00:22:22,500 They will kill an animal and drag it up a tree. 299 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:25,510 And then you go sit there and watch it eat it. 300 00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:30,220 You can be ten feet away. It's just so, so very cool. 301 00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:34,970 The guides at these national parks and safari 302 00:22:34,970 --> 00:22:40,310 are highly trained in tracking and finding animals and they're very good at doing it. 303 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:51,870 The first time we met with Larry Rudolph, 304 00:22:51,870 --> 00:22:56,700 I was assigned by the office of the Department of National Parks and Wildlife 305 00:22:57,450 --> 00:23:02,330 to go and monitor the safari hunter by the name of Bianca Rudolph. 306 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,170 They were a lovely couple. 307 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,590 To me, I saw that they were in love. 308 00:23:12,970 --> 00:23:19,890 My main duty is to monitor, to check all the type of the animals the hunter kills. 309 00:23:21,020 --> 00:23:24,190 You write in the book or in the license. 310 00:23:24,190 --> 00:23:27,320 And she had a lot of trophies. 311 00:23:28,650 --> 00:23:31,410 She's one of the best hunters I've hunted with. 312 00:23:32,110 --> 00:23:34,740 She was killing animals with a single shot. 313 00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:40,250 I stayed with them more than ten days. 314 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,710 So, when you are together, you are a family. 315 00:23:43,710 --> 00:23:46,340 There is a lot of jokes, you share everyhing. 316 00:23:47,550 --> 00:23:50,510 They were just laughing, like, you know, a very good couple. 317 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,850 Then we said, "Bye." I go to my own tent, and they went to their cabin. 318 00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:22,460 It was a calm, misty dawn 319 00:24:22,460 --> 00:24:24,460 in Kafue National Park... 320 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:34,010 when the peaceful silence was pierced by a gunshot. 321 00:24:34,010 --> 00:24:36,180 - Larry. - Larry Rudolph. 322 00:24:36,180 --> 00:24:38,050 - Larry. - Larry. 323 00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:39,470 - Larry. 324 00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:43,100 We found the wife, Bianca Rudolph, 325 00:24:43,390 --> 00:24:45,650 lying down in a pool of blood. 326 00:24:47,150 --> 00:24:48,150 I didn't believe it. 327 00:24:49,530 --> 00:24:53,280 To see someone... The person you were with, maybe some hours ago, 328 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,780 And you just see them lying down dead like that. 329 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,490 This is a police case. 330 00:24:59,740 --> 00:25:01,660 So we have to go and report to the police. 331 00:25:05,370 --> 00:25:08,460 On the 11th of October, 2016, early in the morning, 332 00:25:08,460 --> 00:25:11,340 I received a telephone call telling me 333 00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:16,340 that a female client shot herself while packing the firearm. 334 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,930 The husband said it was an accident. 335 00:25:20,970 --> 00:25:24,640 The story, at least in the first 24 hours, 336 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,770 seemed to have held water 337 00:25:26,770 --> 00:25:30,070 till people started digging more deeply. 338 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,740 I started the investigation. 339 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,120 Lawrence Rudolph said that when he came out of the shower, 340 00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:43,790 he found the wife lying down in a pool of blood, 341 00:25:43,790 --> 00:25:46,750 and a shotgun was just lying next to her. 342 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,290 But this man came out fully dressed. 343 00:25:51,050 --> 00:25:52,630 At what stage did he dress up? 344 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,130 And according to Safari Hunting guidelines, 345 00:25:56,130 --> 00:25:58,890 At night, the firearm was cleared. 346 00:25:58,890 --> 00:26:01,470 There was no bullet in the firearm. 347 00:26:01,470 --> 00:26:03,970 There's no shells in the shotgun. 348 00:26:05,140 --> 00:26:09,650 Next day, the consular chief gets a call from the cremation place saying, 349 00:26:09,650 --> 00:26:13,230 "Oh, we got the medical examiner's report. We're gonna cremate her today." 350 00:26:14,150 --> 00:26:18,150 Lawrence Rudolph wanted to bribe the funeral parlor officer. 351 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,660 He wanted to do things so fast. 352 00:26:21,330 --> 00:26:24,330 He clearly didn't want anybody to see the body. 353 00:26:24,330 --> 00:26:29,750 It made the spidey senses of the consular chief kinda go off. 354 00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:34,090 So, the consular chief went to photograph the body. 355 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:48,270 The next day, Larry calls batshit mad. He's just livid. 356 00:26:50,350 --> 00:26:54,360 And that's when he offhandedly says, 357 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:56,360 "She might've committed suicide." 358 00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:06,040 Lawrence Rudolph, he changed the story. 359 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,080 He said, "No. The wife had shot herself." 360 00:27:11,580 --> 00:27:15,460 At the police station, I tried to ask him some questions. 361 00:27:16,210 --> 00:27:18,970 I said, "Sir, how did it happen?" 362 00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:24,050 Mr. Lawrence was not comfortable with my questions. 363 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,180 He was even almost getting annoyed with me. 364 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:36,110 So I could see that, you know, something fishy has happened. 365 00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:49,540 Walk in my shoes for a minute. 366 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,960 You're in a third world country, 367 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,050 and you need to do certain things, obviously, 368 00:27:59,460 --> 00:28:02,010 to follow procedures if that's the right term. 369 00:28:04,220 --> 00:28:05,220 But you need help. 370 00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:08,930 You have to turn to somebody to that's supposed to be helping you. Right? 371 00:28:10,770 --> 00:28:13,150 When I called the United States Embassy, 372 00:28:13,690 --> 00:28:18,150 I introduced myself to this man. They call him a counselor general. 373 00:28:18,150 --> 00:28:19,440 I believe it was. 374 00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:23,700 And I said, "Sir, I need your help. 375 00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:26,700 There's been a horrible, tragic accident. 376 00:28:27,870 --> 00:28:29,450 My wife was on safari. 377 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,460 She passed away. 378 00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:33,920 I don't know what to do. 379 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,420 I need your help, sir. 380 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,420 I'm an American citizen. Can you help me? 381 00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:50,640 The consular chief got an investigation going. 382 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,810 Larry... just looking at his career and his history, 383 00:28:54,810 --> 00:28:56,610 I just think he steamrolled it. 384 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,900 He was creating the narrative. 385 00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:04,900 And he got the outcome he wanted out of the Zambian police. 386 00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:07,620 The body winded up getting cremated. 387 00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:08,910 This is going too fast. 388 00:29:08,910 --> 00:29:12,620 The medical examiners never turned a report around this quick. 389 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,500 The police report said it was an accidental discharge. 390 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:23,340 It basically says she was killed by a shot to the heart. 391 00:29:24,220 --> 00:29:28,220 You go on safari and they all call you bwana. 392 00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:31,180 Bwana means boss in Swahili. 393 00:29:32,810 --> 00:29:34,520 Larry's the bwana. 394 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,270 So, if he says this is what happened, 395 00:29:36,270 --> 00:29:38,610 they're gonna tend to go in that direction. 396 00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:41,440 I think Larry took advantage of that. 397 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,190 He is a powerful man. 398 00:29:44,820 --> 00:29:48,990 The Zambian investigation concluded it was an accident. 399 00:29:48,990 --> 00:29:50,370 He was not detained. 400 00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:52,830 I was shocked. 401 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,710 He was just a free person. 402 00:30:04,420 --> 00:30:07,720 Imagine, you're married 36 years 403 00:30:08,550 --> 00:30:10,180 and you lost your wife. 404 00:30:11,970 --> 00:30:14,060 People use the word "Post-traumatic." 405 00:30:14,060 --> 00:30:17,940 I mean, I'm basically walking like a dead man, 406 00:30:17,940 --> 00:30:20,270 just a zombie through this process. 407 00:30:20,980 --> 00:30:24,860 I'm half in tears, hadn't eaten in a day and a half. 408 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,280 The trauma, 409 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:32,240 the pain, the emotion is indescribable. 410 00:30:35,950 --> 00:30:40,210 They put down, in writing... In conclusion, it was an accident. 411 00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:42,710 They let me leave the country. 412 00:30:44,130 --> 00:30:46,470 I left heartbroken and sick. 413 00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:48,840 But yes, it was an accident. 414 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,360 Julian and Ana, they were looking for Bianca and Larry 415 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,570 around the time they're supposed to be home, 416 00:31:12,570 --> 00:31:14,620 and they couldn't get a hold of anybody. 417 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,080 So, Ana was really concerned. 418 00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:20,660 She was at a dental conference 419 00:31:20,670 --> 00:31:23,040 and I went over to take care of her dogs. 420 00:31:24,290 --> 00:31:29,170 Julian walked down the driveway and he's like, "Where's my sister?" 421 00:31:29,170 --> 00:31:33,220 You know, where's Ana? And that's when I realized something happened. 422 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,350 I was driving to a football game, 423 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,230 and I got a phone call from my father. 424 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,530 He said there was a terrible accident. 425 00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:52,320 And I asked him if she was okay. 426 00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:54,570 And he told me that she was gone. 427 00:31:57,870 --> 00:32:00,580 It was a couple days after she died. 428 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,750 But my dad never wanted to talk about it. 429 00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:09,340 My sister and I had a lot of questions about what happened. 430 00:32:09,340 --> 00:32:11,800 How could this have happened, right? 431 00:32:12,550 --> 00:32:14,930 We just will never be the same. 432 00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:22,140 I don't know how I'm going to go on with my life. 433 00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:25,480 I can't live without Mom. It's too much. 434 00:32:29,820 --> 00:32:30,990 I'm broken. 435 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,910 This isn't real. This can't be real. 436 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,370 One of the girls that I worked with came in and said, 437 00:32:41,370 --> 00:32:44,120 "Did you hear that Bianca's dead?" 438 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,290 And I'm there, "Oh my God, what happened?" 439 00:32:46,290 --> 00:32:50,590 And she said she was in a... Killed in an accident in Africa. 440 00:32:50,590 --> 00:32:53,800 "Do you believe that?" And she said, "No." I said, "I don't either." 441 00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:58,140 He could've done the right thing and just divorced his wife 442 00:32:58,140 --> 00:33:00,100 if he no longer wanted to be married. 443 00:33:01,310 --> 00:33:03,480 Unfortunately, he chose the wrong path. 444 00:33:08,190 --> 00:33:10,190 The first thing I thought about was, 445 00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:11,280 "He did it. 446 00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:15,320 I know Larry did this." 447 00:33:16,110 --> 00:33:18,330 We all said, "Larry killed her." 448 00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:21,450 Larry had something to do with it. 449 00:33:23,790 --> 00:33:29,090 Larry was the type of person that could go to one to ten so fast. 450 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,840 But when I found out Bianca was dead, 451 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:38,010 everything started to be put in place about this person. 452 00:33:38,510 --> 00:33:40,760 It's like, "Oh my God, why didn't I see this?" 453 00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:48,860 When I found out, I was blown away. 454 00:33:50,270 --> 00:33:54,650 Bianca was just a really, really nice person. 455 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:02,370 Before she died, they were getting life insurance on her. 456 00:34:02,370 --> 00:34:07,870 She was in agreement. She signed the application. 457 00:34:07,870 --> 00:34:09,540 She took her medical exams. 458 00:34:11,630 --> 00:34:12,840 Fairly normal. 459 00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:16,720 The only thing that caused me 460 00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:19,390 a little bit of a red flag at the time, 461 00:34:19,390 --> 00:34:23,220 was that Larry was very, very anxious 462 00:34:23,220 --> 00:34:26,480 about getting this done for her. 463 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,270 But years later, 464 00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:34,570 when I found out that there were multiple policies on her 465 00:34:34,570 --> 00:34:36,490 that I didn't know about, 466 00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:40,160 it rose to a level of alarm for me. 467 00:34:43,950 --> 00:34:46,700 I got a text message from Larry 468 00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:49,210 that said there had been a terrible accident. 469 00:34:51,670 --> 00:34:54,590 The police did an investigation and... 470 00:34:56,670 --> 00:34:58,920 they said it was an accident. 471 00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:02,260 Everyone believed that it was an accident, um, 472 00:35:02,260 --> 00:35:04,180 so I assumed it was an accident as well. 473 00:35:06,430 --> 00:35:10,600 He had just gone through this funeral, 474 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,530 and all this stress of this while horrible incident. 475 00:35:16,530 --> 00:35:19,200 And he just wanted to be with a friend. 476 00:35:23,410 --> 00:35:27,160 It kind of seemed natural. We just started spending time together. 477 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,370 And eventually... 478 00:35:30,370 --> 00:35:33,000 Yeah, at that point we started making a life together. 479 00:35:35,130 --> 00:35:40,380 They wanted a fresh start without other memories. 480 00:35:42,430 --> 00:35:45,720 My mom moved into the house in Arizona. 481 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,230 It was a beautiful home that he had, 482 00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:55,940 but we decided we would build one together. 483 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,820 It was just sort of around the corner from the current house. 484 00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:12,670 It was definitely their dream home. 485 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:14,330 They called it their forever home. 486 00:36:16,210 --> 00:36:21,760 It was the first place that they together made compromises with each other 487 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,050 to build something that was uniquely them. 488 00:36:27,930 --> 00:36:29,020 I was happy. 489 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,690 It was truly, like, magical for a long time. 490 00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:35,520 Years. 491 00:36:38,070 --> 00:36:40,650 Until... 492 00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:42,570 ...it wasn't. 493 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,310 There's a ton of money in Phoenix, Arizona. 494 00:37:11,770 --> 00:37:15,890 People are showcasing their diamonds and their watches. 495 00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:17,810 It's just the way the culture is. 496 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,070 It wasn't uncommon for a gentleman to come and sit at the bar at the steak house 497 00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:29,950 and spend a thousand dollars on himself. 498 00:37:32,410 --> 00:37:36,750 Larry was a very good tipper. We were told to take care of him. 499 00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:41,760 Lori always had a mink or a fancy purse. 500 00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:48,640 Larry would always get a New York strip and Ketel martini. 501 00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:51,680 His passion for hunting in Africa, 502 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,930 that's what he wanted to talk about the most. 503 00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:58,350 There was never a mention of an ex-wife. 504 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,280 One night, Larry and Lori came in. 505 00:38:05,950 --> 00:38:07,860 Like normal, they had called ahead 506 00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:10,370 and we had their spots ready for them at the bar. 507 00:38:12,910 --> 00:38:14,870 I could sense that there was some tension. 508 00:38:16,370 --> 00:38:21,290 And the tension seemed to get a little bit higher than usual. 509 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:30,180 The music changes songs from loud to that in-between song quiet. 510 00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:37,060 He pointed his finger in Lori's face and said, 511 00:38:37,060 --> 00:38:39,560 "I killed my fucking wife for you." 512 00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:46,070 Lori grabbed her purse and she walked out of the bar. 513 00:38:47,780 --> 00:38:52,700 It just seemed way too Lifetime movie. 514 00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:59,290 There was zero concern with Larry. Zero concern. 515 00:38:59,290 --> 00:39:04,340 I've never seen anyone that calm. He didn't regret saying that. 516 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,010 Like, what does that mean? My brain couldn't even go there. 517 00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:11,640 Larry Rudolph. 518 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,060 - Larry! - Larry Rudolph. 42964

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