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Hi, I'm Lori Milliron. Um...
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Wh...
What would you like to know?
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I was the girlfriend.
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A longtime girlfriend.
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I started working at the dentistry
at 2002.
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That's when I met Larry.
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He was the owner of practice
and extremely successful.
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He was always traveling
to Africa or some place.
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He started asking me out immediately.
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He would write me little notes
and send me flowers.
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I was reluctant.
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But after a little while,
I slowly, slowly got to know him.
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Our childhoods were very similar,
in that our mothers were kind of crazy.
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We really made a connection,
a friendship based on that.
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But one of the girls at the office
told me he was married.
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And I said to Larry,
"I've heard you're married."
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And he said,
"It's okay. We do our own thing.
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Let me be your entertainment."
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He asked me
if I wanted to go somewhere with him.
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And then we started traveling
all over the place.
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- You have to be in the video.
- I don't wanna be in the video.
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- Stop it.
- Okay.
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As we traveled, we fell in love.
Hundred percent.
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I'm Dr. Larry Rudolph.
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No sights, no sounds, and no fears.
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This case is just as
salacious as a True Crime story.
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Infidelity, fraud, and murder.
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Well, now, he's being accused of murder.
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Sixty five year old Lori Milliron...
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The husband and his mistress...
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Prosecutor said Rudolph
intended to start a new life
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with his girlfriend...
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...who is also
his office manager.
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There was no ulterior motive,
or you know...
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...plan to do this.
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He's not this horrible person.
I'm not either.
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This call
is from a federal prison.
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Dr. Rudolph,
we're back on the record.
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Are you ready to proceed?
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- Yes, sir.
- Okay.
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When were you first introduced to hunting?
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My father first introduced me
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when I was just a small boy.
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I had an affinity for
the outdoors, like a lot of young kids do.
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My father was a very kind and wonderful
man who taught me to be a good hunter.
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And he taught me patience,
to sit still, listen and look.
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It just was in my blood.
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I took my first African safari in 1986.
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I was in love with the adventure.
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Did he hunt a lot? Yes.
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Mostly in Africa, when I was much younger.
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I have a lot of good memories.
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I remember it was
a quiet, remote, peaceful place.
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He was an experienced hunter.
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He had over 400 and something
different species of animals.
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That's pretty prestigious in that world.
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The more hunting I did,
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it drew me
into pro-hunting and conservation.
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My wife, Bianca, and I
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spent over 25 years
committed, devoted to those missions.
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The single, most powerful,
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most influential
hunter's rights organization in the world.
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Join... like your way of life depends on it.
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The Safari Club
was founded in 1972.
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It grew to over 300 chapters.
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And we're now the world's largest
sport hunting international organization.
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At SCI,
we protect the rights of all hunters.
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No matter what you hunt,
how you hunt, or where you hunt.
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The National Rifle Association
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is all about, you know, shooting,
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Second Amendment Rights,
that kind of thing,
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where Safari Club International
is more behind the hunters.
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Safari Club is a very big deal.
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Our convention is national news.
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We have an interesting
group of celebrities that attend.
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We all have to stand up,
and stand up for what we believe in.
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For our passions,
for the outdoors, for hunting,
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for shooting and for everything.
And there's no better place than this.
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So, yeah, Safari Club
is just a wonderful organization.
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To be president of Safari Club
is a big deal if you're in Safari Club.
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In 1998, I became president.
I took it very seriously.
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When I was president, George Bush Sr.,
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General Schwarzkopf,
and Chuck Yeager attended the convention.
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I hope that I furthered the mission
of Safari Club.
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When Larry and my friend Bianca
would walk into a room,
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it was like the room was on fire.
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It was a very impressive show
that they did.
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It was fun to watch her talk to people
about hunting.
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Bianca's eyes would light up. Green eyes,
just with this fire behind them.
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She was a wonderful shot.
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She knew how to take down the animals
better than most men I know.
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This river can't be crossed
by swinging on a vine.
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Crocodiles are its principle inhabitants.
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When Bianca started
big game hunting,
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she really, really
enjoyed leopard hunting.
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That was her favorite.
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She like the way they looked,
the way the acted.
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The fact that they were
amazing predators, and you know...
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It was a tremendous
sport trophy to acquire.
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Bianca seemed to be very nice,
personable,
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and she was clearly devoted to Larry.
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When I first met Larry Rudolph,
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he reminded me of Howdy Doody
without freckles.
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I might even dance a little bit, too.
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That's good.
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He was friendly
and he had that look about him,
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but I'd started having very big concerns
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about the morality of Larry Rudolph.
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There were lots of tall tales he told.
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The first time I met Larry Rudolph,
he had approached me and said,
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"I went fishing in Zambia
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and this crocodile
bit the tip of my thumb off."
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If anything, you'd be missing a hand.
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There was a rumor
that he had cut it off with a hatchet.
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You know, I mean, there were
all kinds of rumors going around.
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Some people bought into it.
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Some people thought,
"Wow, this is amazing.
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This guy fought off a crocodile, and
only lost his thumb. He's really a stud."
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It created a mythology around him.
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The hunting community
recognizes a tough guy.
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Somebody who takes the most
difficult hunts, who challenges himself.
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I think Larry saw
the Safari Club presidency
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as something that he wanted,
and he was going to get it.
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Hello, my name is Dr. Larry Rudolph,
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and I'm a candidate
for president-elect of Safari Club.
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We are the most powerful...
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He ran against Ron Arendt.
A reasonable, ethical guy.
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I was primed to become the president,
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but Larry wanted to be president
of Safari Club International
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above and beyond everything else.
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He was not gonna play fair.
I didn't know how unfair he would play.
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It was a Friday,
and I was going to visit my family.
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And he said to me,
"I want you to put these in envelopes
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and mail them along your way home."
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He wanted different postmarks on them.
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They were ballots
for his office of president.
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He said he didn't do that. He claimed
that he didn't do anything wrong.
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- Vote for Larry.
- Vote for Larry.
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Larry craved power.
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Ron Arendt lost fairly significantly.
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Absolutely
I was worried for the organization.
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I think Larry was a small man with
a big ego and that's a dangerous game.
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Hi, I'm Larry Rudolph,
president of Safari Club International.
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Almost ten months have passed
since I took the office as your president.
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The time has passed quickly.
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There were things
that Bianca would overlook.
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She would give him
the benefit of the doubt.
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If being president made Larry happy,
she was gonna support him in it.
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And she did it very well.
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There's a luncheon
that always happens at Safari Club.
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And she would talk to people and educate
them about what hunting was all about.
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And then Larry was doing
some of the ads for Safari Club.
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Hi, my name is Dr. Larry Rudolph...
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He liked to see himself on TV.
That was his medium. He knew it.
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He'd been involved in it before
in his dental practice.
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Building himself up.
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"Look what I am. Look what I've done.
Look what I continue to do."
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I think he fancied himself
a better version
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of Wayne LaPierre.
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To stop a bad guy with a gun,
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it takes a good guy with a gun.
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Larry is a megalomaniac.
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Once there was a major fundraiser
up in Alaska.
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Sarah Palin was gonna be speaking
that night.
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You say, I say, we say, "Keep your change.
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We'll keep our God,
our guns, our Constitution."
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There was just a mass of red roses
all across the stage.
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And Larry was coming out with his arms
spread wide as if to give her a hug.
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Larry tried to work his way in
to try to get close to her.
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Sarah put up her hands like this,
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basically saying,
"Don't you come any closer."
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If he saw a woman,
whether she was married, engaged,
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you know, it didn't matter,
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he would just go up
and insert himself into the situation.
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Larry went to a convention
and took a woman with him.
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And they shared the same unit together.
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It was somewhat scandalous.
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What's going on? This man is married.
He's got a woman staying with him.
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Rumor was later on, it was Lori.
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Everybody went,
"That's not Bianca."
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You know, they all know Bianca.
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It was such a slap in the face.
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Bianca didn't know at that point,
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but he obviously
was already having an affair.
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In what capacity was
Miss Milliron, uh, accompanying you?
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She was there in a capacity
as a medical aide to me.
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- Medical aide?
- Yes, sir.
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Okay.
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He would have to take her to these trips,
because he had a heart problem.
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What's more is she's a hygienist.
She's not a nurse.
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The entire chapter
was very concerned
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about the way this looked.
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But it was just the tip of the iceberg.
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He was even cheating on Lori.
I heard stories.
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I've heard more than rumors.
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A young lady called me up one day
and she said,
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"Larry has been showing
some interest in me.
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And I've been told that he's divorcing."
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She said he sent her a bouquet.
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And in the middle of the bouquet
was a dildo.
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Larry had, from what I could see,
very few scruples or morals.
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Extramarital affairs and lying
as the president of Safari Club
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is completely unacceptable.
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I opened the investigation
to get him tossed from the club.
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- Good morning, Dr. Rudolph.
- Morning, sir.
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Safari Club decided to take him
completely out of the record book,
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and they took him out of the history,
so he doesn't exist anymore.
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Hi, I'm Dr. Larry Rudolph,
president of SCI.
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I had seen Bianca.
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And all of the light
had gone out of her eyes.
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She didn't wanna believe that...
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that Larry had done
anything dishonest or unethical,
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until things really started stacking up.
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She really hid it from us.
And she did that to protect us.
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It says a lot
about the kind of parent she was.
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My mother brought out the best in him.
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And Lori Milliron brought out the worst.
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Now, obviously Bianca knew about Lori...
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but she still was going to help him
get through the Safari Club stuff.
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I think she may have said to him,
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"It was a lapse in judgment,
but maybe we can fix it."
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And they moved up to Arizona.
They had this little place there.
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Bianca was very protective
of her marriage.
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She said "Yes, we're working on it."
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She loved Larry to death.
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She would've done anything for him.
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Your primary residence in Arizona
with whom do you live there?
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My wife.
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See, we've had a property
in Phoenix for a number of years.
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Bianca loved the Arizona house.
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And she made it her own.
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They were doing a lot of things together.
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Everything was going very well.
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And it just seemed like
somebody's just flipped a switch.
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You see us kissing and hugging
and we're the happy couple
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and we're the perfect couple
and everything's good.
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And, oh, no, it's not.
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After they had thrown Larry
out of Safari Club,
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he had sold his house
and moved to Arizona full time.
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So I figured, you know,
he and Bianca had moved on.
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Um...
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I had a loyalty to him,
243
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so I did whatever it took
to keep the business running.
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I worked all day,
every day, seven days a week.
245
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It's hard to be a manager and, you know,
make sure things are running smoothly,
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and everybody's doing
what they're supposed to do.
247
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And on top of that, by herself.
248
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It was really hard
and became untenable for her.
249
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We have five offices,
and we're understaffed.
250
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All right. Well...
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I'm not even gonna talk
to you about this.
252
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I feel like I'm not doing enough.
253
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What? I never said that.
You're doing more than enough.
254
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- I feel like I'm not doing enough.
- You're working your tail off.
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Oh, boy.
256
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He was in Arizona.
Bianca was out there with him.
257
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And then he'd swoop in to see Lori.
258
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A coworker said, "If anybody calls here
and asks if Lori still works here,
259
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more specifically, his wife,
tell them no."
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He had them by the thumb.
261
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You know, he had his thumb on both of them
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and control over them,
and money-wise and everything.
263
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Lori was so tired of being on the side.
264
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She wanted to have whatever she wanted
265
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and be able to show it off.
266
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She wanted Bianca's life.
267
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One time she came to my house and
she goes, "Hey, I brought some red wine."
268
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She goes, "I hope you like wine."
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We had a long conversation.
270
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It surprised me because she just
didn't communicate with people.
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I felt bad for her.
She had nobody to talk to.
272
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So she just opened up.
273
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She wanted to get this off her chest.
274
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She said that she gave Larry an ultimatum,
275
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and that ultimatum
was to get rid of Bianca.
276
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She said she gave him one year.
277
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I was like, "Get rid of her,
like, how or what do you mean?
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Divorce, like..."
279
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And looking back,
I didn't put anything together.
280
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,820
I didn't like Larry
but Bianca did.
281
00:20:38,820 --> 00:20:42,900
So I was really hoping
that they could pull it together.
282
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She said that they were gonna
take a trip to Zambia.
283
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You know, "We're gonna go away,
we're gonna have fun, we're gonna hunt.
284
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We'll be alone.
Nobody's gonna be around us.
285
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So there's no pressures.
There's no interference from anyone."
286
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She was gonna do this leopard hunt
and he was gonna support her in it.
287
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If you were Bianca, you would be thinking,
288
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"Well, maybe
he really wants to work on this."
289
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But he had other ideas.
290
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I'm sorry, I'm finding my motivation.
Give me a second.
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I am a former US State Department
foreign service officer.
292
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Arguably the pinnacle of my career
may have been
293
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when I was the ambassador to
the Republic of Zambia in southern Africa.
294
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It's a beautiful country
and some of the most beautiful wildlife.
295
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- Elephants and lions and buffalo.
296
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No rhinos left in Zambia.
There used to be a ton of them there.
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- And there are leopards.
298
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They will kill an animal
and drag it up a tree.
299
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And then you go sit there
and watch it eat it.
300
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You can be ten feet away.
It's just so, so very cool.
301
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The guides at these national parks
and safari
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are highly trained in tracking and finding
animals and they're very good at doing it.
303
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The first time
we met with Larry Rudolph,
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I was assigned by the office of the
Department of National Parks and Wildlife
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to go and monitor the safari hunter
by the name of Bianca Rudolph.
306
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They were a lovely couple.
307
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,590
To me, I saw that they were in love.
308
00:23:12,970 --> 00:23:19,890
My main duty is to monitor, to check all
the type of the animals the hunter kills.
309
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You write in the book or in the license.
310
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And she had a lot of trophies.
311
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She's one of the best hunters
I've hunted with.
312
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She was killing animals
with a single shot.
313
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I stayed with them more than ten days.
314
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,710
So, when you are together,
you are a family.
315
00:23:43,710 --> 00:23:46,340
There is a lot of jokes,
you share everyhing.
316
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They were just laughing, like,
you know, a very good couple.
317
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Then we said, "Bye." I go to my own tent,
and they went to their cabin.
318
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It was a calm, misty dawn
319
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in Kafue National Park...
320
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:34,010
when the peaceful silence
was pierced by a gunshot.
321
00:24:34,010 --> 00:24:36,180
- Larry.
- Larry Rudolph.
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- Larry.
- Larry.
323
00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:39,470
- Larry.
324
00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:43,100
We found the wife,
Bianca Rudolph,
325
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lying down in a pool of blood.
326
00:24:47,150 --> 00:24:48,150
I didn't believe it.
327
00:24:49,530 --> 00:24:53,280
To see someone... The person
you were with, maybe some hours ago,
328
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,780
And you just see them lying down
dead like that.
329
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,490
This is a police case.
330
00:24:59,740 --> 00:25:01,660
So we have to go and report to the police.
331
00:25:05,370 --> 00:25:08,460
On the 11th of October, 2016,
early in the morning,
332
00:25:08,460 --> 00:25:11,340
I received a telephone call telling me
333
00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:16,340
that a female client shot herself
while packing the firearm.
334
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,930
The husband said it was an accident.
335
00:25:20,970 --> 00:25:24,640
The story,
at least in the first 24 hours,
336
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,770
seemed to have held water
337
00:25:26,770 --> 00:25:30,070
till people started digging more deeply.
338
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,740
I started the investigation.
339
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,120
Lawrence Rudolph said
that when he came out of the shower,
340
00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:43,790
he found the wife lying down
in a pool of blood,
341
00:25:43,790 --> 00:25:46,750
and a shotgun was just lying next to her.
342
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,290
But this man came out fully dressed.
343
00:25:51,050 --> 00:25:52,630
At what stage did he dress up?
344
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,130
And according
to Safari Hunting guidelines,
345
00:25:56,130 --> 00:25:58,890
At night, the firearm was cleared.
346
00:25:58,890 --> 00:26:01,470
There was no bullet in the firearm.
347
00:26:01,470 --> 00:26:03,970
There's no shells in the shotgun.
348
00:26:05,140 --> 00:26:09,650
Next day, the consular chief gets a call
from the cremation place saying,
349
00:26:09,650 --> 00:26:13,230
"Oh, we got the medical examiner's report.
We're gonna cremate her today."
350
00:26:14,150 --> 00:26:18,150
Lawrence Rudolph wanted
to bribe the funeral parlor officer.
351
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,660
He wanted to do things so fast.
352
00:26:21,330 --> 00:26:24,330
He clearly didn't want
anybody to see the body.
353
00:26:24,330 --> 00:26:29,750
It made the spidey senses
of the consular chief kinda go off.
354
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:34,090
So, the consular chief
went to photograph the body.
355
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:48,270
The next day, Larry calls batshit mad.
He's just livid.
356
00:26:50,350 --> 00:26:54,360
And that's when he offhandedly says,
357
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:56,360
"She might've committed suicide."
358
00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:06,040
Lawrence Rudolph,
he changed the story.
359
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,080
He said, "No. The wife had shot herself."
360
00:27:11,580 --> 00:27:15,460
At the police station,
I tried to ask him some questions.
361
00:27:16,210 --> 00:27:18,970
I said, "Sir, how did it happen?"
362
00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:24,050
Mr. Lawrence was not comfortable
with my questions.
363
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,180
He was even almost
getting annoyed with me.
364
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:36,110
So I could see that, you know,
something fishy has happened.
365
00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:49,540
Walk in my shoes for a minute.
366
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,960
You're in a third world country,
367
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,050
and you need to do
certain things, obviously,
368
00:27:59,460 --> 00:28:02,010
to follow procedures
if that's the right term.
369
00:28:04,220 --> 00:28:05,220
But you need help.
370
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:08,930
You have to turn to somebody to
that's supposed to be helping you. Right?
371
00:28:10,770 --> 00:28:13,150
When I called the United States Embassy,
372
00:28:13,690 --> 00:28:18,150
I introduced myself to this man.
They call him a counselor general.
373
00:28:18,150 --> 00:28:19,440
I believe it was.
374
00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:23,700
And I said, "Sir, I need your help.
375
00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:26,700
There's been a horrible, tragic accident.
376
00:28:27,870 --> 00:28:29,450
My wife was on safari.
377
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,460
She passed away.
378
00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:33,920
I don't know what to do.
379
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,420
I need your help, sir.
380
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,420
I'm an American citizen. Can you help me?
381
00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:50,640
The consular chief
got an investigation going.
382
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,810
Larry... just looking at his career
and his history,
383
00:28:54,810 --> 00:28:56,610
I just think he steamrolled it.
384
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,900
He was creating the narrative.
385
00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:04,900
And he got the outcome he wanted
out of the Zambian police.
386
00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:07,620
The body winded up getting cremated.
387
00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:08,910
This is going too fast.
388
00:29:08,910 --> 00:29:12,620
The medical examiners
never turned a report around this quick.
389
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,500
The police report said
it was an accidental discharge.
390
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:23,340
It basically says she was killed
by a shot to the heart.
391
00:29:24,220 --> 00:29:28,220
You go on safari
and they all call you bwana.
392
00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:31,180
Bwana means boss in Swahili.
393
00:29:32,810 --> 00:29:34,520
Larry's the bwana.
394
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,270
So, if he says this is what happened,
395
00:29:36,270 --> 00:29:38,610
they're gonna tend to
go in that direction.
396
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:41,440
I think Larry took advantage of that.
397
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,190
He is a powerful man.
398
00:29:44,820 --> 00:29:48,990
The Zambian investigation
concluded it was an accident.
399
00:29:48,990 --> 00:29:50,370
He was not detained.
400
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:52,830
I was shocked.
401
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,710
He was just a free person.
402
00:30:04,420 --> 00:30:07,720
Imagine, you're married 36 years
403
00:30:08,550 --> 00:30:10,180
and you lost your wife.
404
00:30:11,970 --> 00:30:14,060
People use the word "Post-traumatic."
405
00:30:14,060 --> 00:30:17,940
I mean, I'm basically
walking like a dead man,
406
00:30:17,940 --> 00:30:20,270
just a zombie through this process.
407
00:30:20,980 --> 00:30:24,860
I'm half in tears,
hadn't eaten in a day and a half.
408
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,280
The trauma,
409
00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:32,240
the pain, the emotion is indescribable.
410
00:30:35,950 --> 00:30:40,210
They put down, in writing...
In conclusion, it was an accident.
411
00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:42,710
They let me leave the country.
412
00:30:44,130 --> 00:30:46,470
I left heartbroken and sick.
413
00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:48,840
But yes, it was an accident.
414
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,360
Julian and Ana,
they were looking for Bianca and Larry
415
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,570
around the time
they're supposed to be home,
416
00:31:12,570 --> 00:31:14,620
and they couldn't get a hold of anybody.
417
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,080
So, Ana was really concerned.
418
00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:20,660
She was at a dental conference
419
00:31:20,670 --> 00:31:23,040
and I went over to take care of her dogs.
420
00:31:24,290 --> 00:31:29,170
Julian walked down the driveway
and he's like, "Where's my sister?"
421
00:31:29,170 --> 00:31:33,220
You know, where's Ana? And that's when
I realized something happened.
422
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,350
I was driving to a football game,
423
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,230
and I got a phone call from my father.
424
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,530
He said there was a terrible accident.
425
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:52,320
And I asked him if she was okay.
426
00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:54,570
And he told me that she was gone.
427
00:31:57,870 --> 00:32:00,580
It was a couple days after she died.
428
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,750
But my dad never wanted to talk about it.
429
00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:09,340
My sister and I had a lot of questions
about what happened.
430
00:32:09,340 --> 00:32:11,800
How could this have happened, right?
431
00:32:12,550 --> 00:32:14,930
We just will never be the same.
432
00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:22,140
I don't know how
I'm going to go on with my life.
433
00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:25,480
I can't live without Mom. It's too much.
434
00:32:29,820 --> 00:32:30,990
I'm broken.
435
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,910
This isn't real. This can't be real.
436
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,370
One of the girls that I worked with
came in and said,
437
00:32:41,370 --> 00:32:44,120
"Did you hear that Bianca's dead?"
438
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,290
And I'm there, "Oh my God, what happened?"
439
00:32:46,290 --> 00:32:50,590
And she said she was in a...
Killed in an accident in Africa.
440
00:32:50,590 --> 00:32:53,800
"Do you believe that?" And she said, "No."
I said, "I don't either."
441
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:58,140
He could've done the right thing
and just divorced his wife
442
00:32:58,140 --> 00:33:00,100
if he no longer wanted to be married.
443
00:33:01,310 --> 00:33:03,480
Unfortunately, he chose the wrong path.
444
00:33:08,190 --> 00:33:10,190
The first thing
I thought about was,
445
00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:11,280
"He did it.
446
00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:15,320
I know Larry did this."
447
00:33:16,110 --> 00:33:18,330
We all said, "Larry killed her."
448
00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:21,450
Larry had something to do with it.
449
00:33:23,790 --> 00:33:29,090
Larry was the type of person
that could go to one to ten so fast.
450
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,840
But when I found out Bianca was dead,
451
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:38,010
everything started to be put in place
about this person.
452
00:33:38,510 --> 00:33:40,760
It's like, "Oh my God,
why didn't I see this?"
453
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:48,860
When I found out, I was blown away.
454
00:33:50,270 --> 00:33:54,650
Bianca was just
a really, really nice person.
455
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:02,370
Before she died,
they were getting life insurance on her.
456
00:34:02,370 --> 00:34:07,870
She was in agreement.
She signed the application.
457
00:34:07,870 --> 00:34:09,540
She took her medical exams.
458
00:34:11,630 --> 00:34:12,840
Fairly normal.
459
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:16,720
The only thing that caused me
460
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:19,390
a little bit of a red flag at the time,
461
00:34:19,390 --> 00:34:23,220
was that Larry was very, very anxious
462
00:34:23,220 --> 00:34:26,480
about getting this done for her.
463
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,270
But years later,
464
00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:34,570
when I found out that there were
multiple policies on her
465
00:34:34,570 --> 00:34:36,490
that I didn't know about,
466
00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:40,160
it rose to a level of alarm for me.
467
00:34:43,950 --> 00:34:46,700
I got a text message from Larry
468
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:49,210
that said there had been
a terrible accident.
469
00:34:51,670 --> 00:34:54,590
The police did an investigation and...
470
00:34:56,670 --> 00:34:58,920
they said it was an accident.
471
00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:02,260
Everyone believed
that it was an accident, um,
472
00:35:02,260 --> 00:35:04,180
so I assumed it was an accident as well.
473
00:35:06,430 --> 00:35:10,600
He had just gone through this funeral,
474
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,530
and all this stress
of this while horrible incident.
475
00:35:16,530 --> 00:35:19,200
And he just wanted to be with a friend.
476
00:35:23,410 --> 00:35:27,160
It kind of seemed natural.
We just started spending time together.
477
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,370
And eventually...
478
00:35:30,370 --> 00:35:33,000
Yeah, at that point
we started making a life together.
479
00:35:35,130 --> 00:35:40,380
They wanted a fresh start
without other memories.
480
00:35:42,430 --> 00:35:45,720
My mom moved into the house in Arizona.
481
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,230
It was a beautiful home
that he had,
482
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:55,940
but we decided
we would build one together.
483
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,820
It was just sort of
around the corner from the current house.
484
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:12,670
It was definitely
their dream home.
485
00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:14,330
They called it their forever home.
486
00:36:16,210 --> 00:36:21,760
It was the first place that they together
made compromises with each other
487
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,050
to build something that was uniquely them.
488
00:36:27,930 --> 00:36:29,020
I was happy.
489
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,690
It was truly,
like, magical for a long time.
490
00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:35,520
Years.
491
00:36:38,070 --> 00:36:40,650
Until...
492
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:42,570
...it wasn't.
493
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,310
There's a ton of money
in Phoenix, Arizona.
494
00:37:11,770 --> 00:37:15,890
People are showcasing
their diamonds and their watches.
495
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:17,810
It's just the way the culture is.
496
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,070
It wasn't uncommon for a gentleman to
come and sit at the bar at the steak house
497
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:29,950
and spend a thousand dollars on himself.
498
00:37:32,410 --> 00:37:36,750
Larry was a very good tipper.
We were told to take care of him.
499
00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:41,760
Lori always had a mink or a fancy purse.
500
00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:48,640
Larry would always get a New York strip
and Ketel martini.
501
00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:51,680
His passion for hunting in Africa,
502
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,930
that's what he wanted to talk about
the most.
503
00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:58,350
There was never a mention of an ex-wife.
504
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,280
One night, Larry and Lori came in.
505
00:38:05,950 --> 00:38:07,860
Like normal, they had called ahead
506
00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:10,370
and we had their spots ready for them
at the bar.
507
00:38:12,910 --> 00:38:14,870
I could sense that there was some tension.
508
00:38:16,370 --> 00:38:21,290
And the tension seemed to get
a little bit higher than usual.
509
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:30,180
The music changes songs from loud
to that in-between song quiet.
510
00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:37,060
He pointed his finger in Lori's face
and said,
511
00:38:37,060 --> 00:38:39,560
"I killed my fucking wife for you."
512
00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:46,070
Lori grabbed her purse
and she walked out of the bar.
513
00:38:47,780 --> 00:38:52,700
It just seemed way too Lifetime movie.
514
00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:59,290
There was zero concern with Larry.
Zero concern.
515
00:38:59,290 --> 00:39:04,340
I've never seen anyone that calm.
He didn't regret saying that.
516
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,010
Like, what does that mean?
My brain couldn't even go there.
517
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:11,640
Larry Rudolph.
518
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,060
- Larry!
- Larry Rudolph.
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