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carry on my way

carry on my way
son there'll be peace when you are

son there'll be peace when you are

son there'll be peace when you are
done lay your weary head to

done lay your weary head to

done lay your weary head to
rest don't you cry no

rest don't you cry no

rest don't you cry no
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more take one of the of the most

more take one of the of the most

more take one of the of the most
surprising things about the state of

surprising things about the state of

surprising things about the state of
Kansas it strikes you how far you can

Kansas it strikes you how far you can

Kansas it strikes you how far you can
see and how far you could go rarely

see and how far you could go rarely

see and how far you could go rarely
going up a foot or down a foot or a hill

going up a foot or down a foot or a hill

going up a foot or down a foot or a hill
or even the highest point in Kansas they

or even the highest point in Kansas they

or even the highest point in Kansas they
refer to as a mound anywhere in this

refer to as a mound anywhere in this

refer to as a mound anywhere in this
town of toeka in 10 minutes you're in

town of toeka in 10 minutes you're in

town of toeka in 10 minutes you're in
the country we lived right on the city

the country we lived right on the city

the country we lived right on the city
limits I mean the city limit line was

limits I mean the city limit line was

limits I mean the city limit line was
just couple houses away and back then

just couple houses away and back then

just couple houses away and back then
there wasn't like Suburbia you know like

there wasn't like Suburbia you know like

there wasn't like Suburbia you know like
it is now I mean the minute that City

it is now I mean the minute that City

it is now I mean the minute that City
limine everything we were surrounded by

limine everything we were surrounded by

limine everything we were surrounded by
Farms the M as you drive across the

Farms the M as you drive across the

Farms the M as you drive across the
state the wheat fields and the corn

state the wheat fields and the corn

state the wheat fields and the corn
fields they just go

fields they just go

fields they just go
forever and then then you have these

forever and then then you have these

forever and then then you have these
little towns that pop up every once in a

little towns that pop up every once in a

little towns that pop up every once in a
while so it's that expansive

while so it's that expansive

while so it's that expansive
nothingness that lends itself to pretty

nothingness that lends itself to pretty

nothingness that lends itself to pretty
much doing stuff indoors

much doing stuff indoors

much doing stuff indoors
growing up in Kansas it was just

growing up in Kansas it was just

growing up in Kansas it was just
fantastic all the books you read about a

fantastic all the books you read about a

fantastic all the books you read about a
a young boy growing up I did all that

a young boy growing up I did all that

a young boy growing up I did all that
stuff our world was get out go out the

stuff our world was get out go out the

stuff our world was get out go out the
back door and which way we going and go

back door and which way we going and go

back door and which way we going and go
as far as we could you

as far as we could you

as far as we could you
know it was a Beaver Cleaver household

know it was a Beaver Cleaver household

know it was a Beaver Cleaver household
for me it was extremely wholesome

for me it was extremely wholesome

for me it was extremely wholesome
extremely

extremely

extremely
normal was a great place to live great

normal was a great place to live great

normal was a great place to live great
place to grow up all four seasons I

place to grow up all four seasons I

place to grow up all four seasons I
wouldn't traded for the world I was turn

wouldn't traded for the world I was turn

wouldn't traded for the world I was turn
out I was born in Coffeeville Kansas I

out I was born in Coffeeville Kansas I

out I was born in Coffeeville Kansas I
was gone my dad was in the military as

was gone my dad was in the military as

was gone my dad was in the military as
an Air Force family we moved every 2

an Air Force family we moved every 2

an Air Force family we moved every 2
years and the one thing that remained

years and the one thing that remained

years and the one thing that remained
constant for me in those

constant for me in those

constant for me in those
moves was teaching myself to play the

moves was teaching myself to play the

moves was teaching myself to play the
drums what got me into music in my early

drums what got me into music in my early

drums what got me into music in my early
teens I had a great aunt aunt Lily she

teens I had a great aunt aunt Lily she

teens I had a great aunt aunt Lily she
was a great appreciator of classical

was a great appreciator of classical

was a great appreciator of classical
music and she used to sit me down in her

music and she used to sit me down in her

music and she used to sit me down in her
bedroom and put on these old records

bedroom and put on these old records

bedroom and put on these old records
78s and as it played she would talk to

78s and as it played she would talk to

78s and as it played she would talk to
me about the the composer lives and I

me about the the composer lives and I

me about the the composer lives and I
was so fascinated by this that I I I

was so fascinated by this that I I I

was so fascinated by this that I I I
began to appreciate the music but I also

began to appreciate the music but I also

began to appreciate the music but I also
appreciated the story that she was

appreciated the story that she was

appreciated the story that she was
telling me about the the lies of the

telling me about the the lies of the

telling me about the the lies of the
great composers my first recollection of

great composers my first recollection of

great composers my first recollection of
knowing that I could kind of make sense

knowing that I could kind of make sense

knowing that I could kind of make sense
out of music was I was watching this

out of music was I was watching this

out of music was I was watching this
Bugs Bunny cartoon a musical signature

Bugs Bunny cartoon a musical signature

Bugs Bunny cartoon a musical signature
came on I think it was d d you know

came on I think it was d d you know

came on I think it was d d you know
something written by bethoven or

something written by bethoven or

something written by bethoven or
something and I went over and plucked it

something and I went over and plucked it

something and I went over and plucked it
out on piano and uh I took piano lessons

out on piano and uh I took piano lessons

out on piano and uh I took piano lessons
for a short period of time for some

for a short period of time for some

for a short period of time for some
reason I wanted to play a trumpet and my

reason I wanted to play a trumpet and my

reason I wanted to play a trumpet and my
teeth were pretty bad and it was in

teeth were pretty bad and it was in

teeth were pretty bad and it was in
second grade I sat in with a music class

second grade I sat in with a music class

second grade I sat in with a music class
waiting to get a trumpet and finally the

waiting to get a trumpet and finally the

waiting to get a trumpet and finally the
teacher said you know you don't have the

teacher said you know you don't have the

teacher said you know you don't have the
the mouth for it and I was so

the mouth for it and I was so

the mouth for it and I was so
disappointed and you know thank God for

disappointed and you know thank God for

disappointed and you know thank God for
for bad

for bad

for bad
teeth my parents asked me to um play the

teeth my parents asked me to um play the

teeth my parents asked me to um play the
violin I guess made me play the violin

violin I guess made me play the violin

violin I guess made me play the violin
would be more accurate I was the first

would be more accurate I was the first

would be more accurate I was the first
chair in my high school orchestra in my

chair in my high school orchestra in my

chair in my high school orchestra in my
junior high school orchestra in my grade

junior high school orchestra in my grade

junior high school orchestra in my grade
school

school

school
orchestra about nth grade I had no idea

orchestra about nth grade I had no idea

orchestra about nth grade I had no idea
how I was going to pan out but I knew in

how I was going to pan out but I knew in

how I was going to pan out but I knew in
my core I was a musician fast forward to

my core I was a musician fast forward to

my core I was a musician fast forward to
the 60s and the Beatles on Ed Sullivan

the 60s and the Beatles on Ed Sullivan

the 60s and the Beatles on Ed Sullivan
and it was like I'm going to do that

and it was like I'm going to do that

and it was like I'm going to do that
sitting in front of the TV watching Ed

sitting in front of the TV watching Ed

sitting in front of the TV watching Ed
and the Beatles came on and uh my father

and the Beatles came on and uh my father

and the Beatles came on and uh my father
just about lost his lunch uh laughing at

just about lost his lunch uh laughing at

just about lost his lunch uh laughing at
them and I remember looking around and

them and I remember looking around and

them and I remember looking around and
going what the hell is so funny these

going what the hell is so funny these

going what the hell is so funny these
people are kind of making sense to me

people are kind of making sense to me

people are kind of making sense to me
here and that really was the initial

here and that really was the initial

here and that really was the initial
fuse that was

fuse that was

fuse that was
lit but it was not you know the British

lit but it was not you know the British

lit but it was not you know the British
Invasion quote unquote that influenced

Invasion quote unquote that influenced

Invasion quote unquote that influenced
Kansas it was the black

Kansas it was the black

Kansas it was the black
musicians Wilson pick at White Soul

musicians Wilson pick at White Soul

musicians Wilson pick at White Soul
young rasos just that kind of stuff and

young rasos just that kind of stuff and

young rasos just that kind of stuff and
I I love AR people like Stevie Wonder

I I love AR people like Stevie Wonder

I I love AR people like Stevie Wonder
were inspiring Wilson picking and James

were inspiring Wilson picking and James

were inspiring Wilson picking and James
round were my all-time favorite

round were my all-time favorite

round were my all-time favorite
screamers and I wanted to learn how to

screamers and I wanted to learn how to

screamers and I wanted to learn how to
scream but I could never scream like

scream but I could never scream like

scream but I could never scream like
that unbeknownst to me my bandmates were

that unbeknownst to me my bandmates were

that unbeknownst to me my bandmates were
listening to the radio at the same time

listening to the radio at the same time

listening to the radio at the same time
to the same stuff cuz we were all in TOA

to the same stuff cuz we were all in TOA

to the same stuff cuz we were all in TOA
so when we got together to play we

so when we got together to play we

so when we got together to play we
didn't like bust into some yes song or

didn't like bust into some yes song or

didn't like bust into some yes song or
something we were playing the Four Tops

something we were playing the Four Tops

something we were playing the Four Tops
you know we were playing oish reading

you know we were playing oish reading

you know we were playing oish reading
you know we were playing and you know

you know we were playing and you know

you know we were playing and you know
the Temptations those are the songs that

the Temptations those are the songs that

the Temptations those are the songs that
we

we

we
play even though people say I put the

play even though people say I put the

play even though people say I put the
band together I guess I did because I

band together I guess I did because I

band together I guess I did because I
made the phone calls but I had something

made the phone calls but I had something

made the phone calls but I had something
in mind I really knew the guys that I

in mind I really knew the guys that I

in mind I really knew the guys that I
wanted to play with the first person I

wanted to play with the first person I

wanted to play with the first person I
called was Steve and the next day I

called was Steve and the next day I

called was Steve and the next day I
called Rich Phil and called from England

called Rich Phil and called from England

called Rich Phil and called from England
and say I want to come back and you know

and say I want to come back and you know

and say I want to come back and you know
reform you know with you guys but I want

reform you know with you guys but I want

reform you know with you guys but I want
to go fulltime I said I really want to

to go fulltime I said I really want to

to go fulltime I said I really want to
go after this Rich goes I'm in and and I

go after this Rich goes I'm in and and I

go after this Rich goes I'm in and and I
said what what do you think of Dave Rich

said what what do you think of Dave Rich

said what what do you think of Dave Rich
goes natural Dave would be the best Bas

goes natural Dave would be the best Bas

goes natural Dave would be the best Bas
player we could get so next I had to get

player we could get so next I had to get

player we could get so next I had to get
Robbie well Robbie didn't know me I

Robbie well Robbie didn't know me I

Robbie well Robbie didn't know me I
didn't know Robbie well I remember when

didn't know Robbie well I remember when

didn't know Robbie well I remember when
Phil ehart called me and he said I heard

Phil ehart called me and he said I heard

Phil ehart called me and he said I heard
you play and I wanted to find out if you

you play and I wanted to find out if you

you play and I wanted to find out if you
wanted to to get together and form a

wanted to to get together and form a

wanted to to get together and form a
band I remember being in Lawrence Kansas

band I remember being in Lawrence Kansas

band I remember being in Lawrence Kansas
and seeing him playing and singing and I

and seeing him playing and singing and I

and seeing him playing and singing and I
just thought that is a guy that I need

just thought that is a guy that I need

just thought that is a guy that I need
to be in a band with I've never seen

to be in a band with I've never seen

to be in a band with I've never seen
anybody else like that guy I've never

anybody else like that guy I've never

anybody else like that guy I've never
heard anybody play like that guy and

heard anybody play like that guy and

heard anybody play like that guy and
I've never heard anybody sing that way

I've never heard anybody sing that way

I've never heard anybody sing that way
Robbie said do you guys have a tape so I

Robbie said do you guys have a tape so I

Robbie said do you guys have a tape so I
sent him a real toore and he called back

sent him a real toore and he called back

sent him a real toore and he called back
and he said awesome I'm in so the

and he said awesome I'm in so the

and he said awesome I'm in so the
formula was there but the timing was

formula was there but the timing was

formula was there but the timing was
everything one of the things I saw and

everything one of the things I saw and

everything one of the things I saw and
feel was this ambition these guys were

feel was this ambition these guys were

feel was this ambition these guys were
were pretty good and they and they were

were pretty good and they and they were

were pretty good and they and they were
enthusiastic about what they were doing

enthusiastic about what they were doing

enthusiastic about what they were doing
that was something that some of the my

that was something that some of the my

that was something that some of the my
band members who I've been through high

band members who I've been through high

band members who I've been through high
school with all those years they didn't

school with all those years they didn't

school with all those years they didn't
really have the same ambition they they

really have the same ambition they they

really have the same ambition they they
thought it was fun to play in a band but

thought it was fun to play in a band but

thought it was fun to play in a band but
it wasn't really maybe what I want to do

it wasn't really maybe what I want to do

it wasn't really maybe what I want to do
with my life and I said to myself I got

with my life and I said to myself I got

with my life and I said to myself I got
to get Carrie he said Carrie I'd like to

to get Carrie he said Carrie I'd like to

to get Carrie he said Carrie I'd like to
put together a super group Steve Walsh

put together a super group Steve Walsh

put together a super group Steve Walsh
needs to be singing Carrie lian's

needs to be singing Carrie lian's

needs to be singing Carrie lian's
incredible

incredible

incredible
songs Steve came from St Joe and he came

songs Steve came from St Joe and he came

songs Steve came from St Joe and he came
down here and he was in white clover

down here and he was in white clover

down here and he was in white clover
with Phil and I thought man I don't know

with Phil and I thought man I don't know

with Phil and I thought man I don't know
this guy but where they find him we

this guy but where they find him we

this guy but where they find him we
heard Steve Walsh sing it was a soul in

heard Steve Walsh sing it was a soul in

heard Steve Walsh sing it was a soul in
a white

a white

a white
man that was very

deep it really was complete once we had

deep it really was complete once we had
you know the depth of car's songwriting

you know the depth of car's songwriting

you know the depth of car's songwriting
and Steve's voice all of us really on

and Steve's voice all of us really on

and Steve's voice all of us really on
the same page at the same time in our

the same page at the same time in our

the same page at the same time in our
lives the same time in in history all

lives the same time in in history all

lives the same time in in history all
that to evolve in into Kansas we were

that to evolve in into Kansas we were

that to evolve in into Kansas we were
making a living in mainly the Midwest

making a living in mainly the Midwest

making a living in mainly the Midwest
and uh it's a hard audience sometimes to

and uh it's a hard audience sometimes to

and uh it's a hard audience sometimes to
get your stuff across in but we survived

get your stuff across in but we survived

get your stuff across in but we survived
and and I think it made us stronger as

and and I think it made us stronger as

and and I think it made us stronger as
we got away from doing a lot of the You

we got away from doing a lot of the You

we got away from doing a lot of the You
Know cover songs so we could play gigs

Know cover songs so we could play gigs

Know cover songs so we could play gigs
cuz we had to exist and start working on

cuz we had to exist and start working on

cuz we had to exist and start working on
our own stuff this sound started to

our own stuff this sound started to

our own stuff this sound started to
emerge everybody brought something

emerge everybody brought something

emerge everybody brought something
musically to the collection that we

musically to the collection that we

musically to the collection that we
would not have had had it not been for

would not have had had it not been for

would not have had had it not been for
the six of us there was a kind of a

the six of us there was a kind of a

the six of us there was a kind of a
confidence like this is a good band the

confidence like this is a good band the

confidence like this is a good band the
combination of car's

combination of car's

combination of car's
riding Steve's voice and Robbie's violin

riding Steve's voice and Robbie's violin

riding Steve's voice and Robbie's violin
were the three key

were the three key

were the three key
ingredients that to me really made

ingredients that to me really made

ingredients that to me really made
Kansas different than the other bands

Kansas different than the other bands

Kansas different than the other bands
that were out there we had absolutely

that were out there we had absolutely

that were out there we had absolutely
everything necessary for a band to make

everything necessary for a band to make

everything necessary for a band to make
it except that we were living in

it except that we were living in

it except that we were living in
Kansas we were from a small town in in

Kansas we were from a small town in in

Kansas we were from a small town in in
the middle of

the middle of

the middle of
nowhere we were not on the East Coast we

nowhere we were not on the East Coast we

nowhere we were not on the East Coast we
were not on the west coast we were as

were not on the west coast we were as

were not on the west coast we were as
far from the music industry as it's

far from the music industry as it's

far from the music industry as it's
possible to get there's no record

possible to get there's no record

possible to get there's no record
companies to go to there were no

companies to go to there were no

companies to go to there were no
entertainment attorneys there wasn't

entertainment attorneys there wasn't

entertainment attorneys there wasn't
some big band that we were going to go

some big band that we were going to go

some big band that we were going to go
to and hopefully they were going to

to and hopefully they were going to

to and hopefully they were going to
listen to our demo and they would get us

listen to our demo and they would get us

listen to our demo and they would get us
a deal we were just guys living in a

a deal we were just guys living in a

a deal we were just guys living in a
band house 431 Roosevelt and this is the

band house 431 Roosevelt and this is the

band house 431 Roosevelt and this is the
infamous band house in the history of

infamous band house in the history of

infamous band house in the history of
the band Kansas

the band Kansas

the band Kansas
we actually had two b3s two Hammond b3s

we actually had two b3s two Hammond b3s

we actually had two b3s two Hammond b3s
a marshall rig a Basse rig and a drum

a marshall rig a Basse rig and a drum

a marshall rig a Basse rig and a drum
set in this room the band house wow I

set in this room the band house wow I

set in this room the band house wow I
slept in a in a closet about as big as

slept in a in a closet about as big as

slept in a in a closet about as big as
this

this

this
desk that was my bedroom was a closet

desk that was my bedroom was a closet

desk that was my bedroom was a closet
early on I remember reading about the

early on I remember reading about the

early on I remember reading about the
Kansas band house and for me it reminds

Kansas band house and for me it reminds

Kansas band house and for me it reminds
me of like hard days night for the

me of like hard days night for the

me of like hard days night for the
Beatles it's that thought of like bands

Beatles it's that thought of like bands

Beatles it's that thought of like bands
living on top of one another and just

living on top of one another and just

living on top of one another and just
like being you know and lessly engaged

like being you know and lessly engaged

like being you know and lessly engaged
in each other's life five or six days a

in each other's life five or six days a

in each other's life five or six days a
week with eight or nine guys living in a

week with eight or nine guys living in a

week with eight or nine guys living in a
bandh house you can't see the floor

bandh house you can't see the floor

bandh house you can't see the floor
anymore we actually came home one night

anymore we actually came home one night

anymore we actually came home one night
uh from a gig in our school bus and we

uh from a gig in our school bus and we

uh from a gig in our school bus and we
looked down the road and we said Gosh

looked down the road and we said Gosh

looked down the road and we said Gosh
Look somebody's house is on fire and it

Look somebody's house is on fire and it

Look somebody's house is on fire and it
was this

was this

was this
house it's our time you know we're going

house it's our time you know we're going

house it's our time you know we're going
to we know we be 25 and still doing this

to we know we be 25 and still doing this

to we know we be 25 and still doing this
we wanted to start getting out of this

we wanted to start getting out of this

we wanted to start getting out of this
local area then maybe have have a record

local area then maybe have have a record

local area then maybe have have a record
out we had played a place out in Liberal

out we had played a place out in Liberal

out we had played a place out in Liberal
Kansas a biker bar and we knew that

Kansas a biker bar and we knew that

Kansas a biker bar and we knew that
there was a recording studio out there I

there was a recording studio out there I

there was a recording studio out there I
think all the songs Steve had written

think all the songs Steve had written

think all the songs Steve had written
and they were great I mean they had a

and they were great I mean they had a

and they were great I mean they had a
lot of energy and it was us and we were

lot of energy and it was us and we were

lot of energy and it was us and we were
having fun and the GU sang great it it

having fun and the GU sang great it it

having fun and the GU sang great it it
was a good little demo and we thought

was a good little demo and we thought

was a good little demo and we thought
well what are we going to do with it and

well what are we going to do with it and

well what are we going to do with it and
we had had met a gentleman in New Jersey

we had had met a gentleman in New Jersey

we had had met a gentleman in New Jersey
who had called and said I I know that

who had called and said I I know that

who had called and said I I know that
Don kersner is is starting a label he's

Don kersner is is starting a label he's

Don kersner is is starting a label he's
looking for bands why don't you send me

looking for bands why don't you send me

looking for bands why don't you send me
that demo and I'll send it over to him

that demo and I'll send it over to him

that demo and I'll send it over to him
he said he took it by he said there was

he said he took it by he said there was

he said he took it by he said there was
tons of tapes all over this lady's desk

tons of tapes all over this lady's desk

tons of tapes all over this lady's desk
and she said there's about 150 tapes

and she said there's about 150 tapes

and she said there's about 150 tapes
ahead of you you probably won't be

ahead of you you probably won't be

ahead of you you probably won't be
hearing from us but you never know he

hearing from us but you never know he

hearing from us but you never know he
said thank you ma'am put it down gone

said thank you ma'am put it down gone

said thank you ma'am put it down gone
well we never heard anything never heard

well we never heard anything never heard

well we never heard anything never heard
anything so we went off to play and

anything so we went off to play and

anything so we went off to play and
continued playing on our school bus

continued playing on our school bus

continued playing on our school bus
driving around the Midwest just making

driving around the Midwest just making

driving around the Midwest just making
our $175 a night living on a dollar a

our $175 a night living on a dollar a

our $175 a night living on a dollar a
day each of us got $1 a day and uh those

day each of us got $1 a day and uh those

day each of us got $1 a day and uh those
who

who

who
smoked they had to come about their

smoked they had to come about their

smoked they had to come about their
cigarettes in in in different and

cigarettes in in in different and

cigarettes in in in different and
colorful ways we were playing a bar in

colorful ways we were playing a bar in

colorful ways we were playing a bar in
Dodge City Kansas and during one of our

Dodge City Kansas and during one of our

Dodge City Kansas and during one of our
breaks the bartender walked over and

breaks the bartender walked over and

breaks the bartender walked over and
said uh there's a call for you from New

said uh there's a call for you from New

said uh there's a call for you from New
York City would one of you like to talk

York City would one of you like to talk

York City would one of you like to talk
to this gentleman from well we're going

to this gentleman from well we're going

to this gentleman from well we're going
New York City do you know anybody I

New York City do you know anybody I

New York City do you know anybody I
don't know anybody it was Wally gold

don't know anybody it was Wally gold

don't know anybody it was Wally gold
calling Wally gold come to find out was

calling Wally gold come to find out was

calling Wally gold come to find out was
Don kistner's right-hand man and he said

Don kistner's right-hand man and he said

Don kistner's right-hand man and he said
love the tape love the violin you guys

love the tape love the violin you guys

love the tape love the violin you guys
are great I'm coming out to see you in

are great I'm coming out to see you in

are great I'm coming out to see you in
two weeks put together a gig we want to

two weeks put together a gig we want to

two weeks put together a gig we want to
see if you guys are real Susie hung up

see if you guys are real Susie hung up

see if you guys are real Susie hung up
yipp I mean we just want if we' had

yipp I mean we just want if we' had

yipp I mean we just want if we' had
anything to throw in the air we would

anything to throw in the air we would

anything to throw in the air we would
have thrown it in the air we knew this

have thrown it in the air we knew this

have thrown it in the air we knew this
was going to be it this was going to be

was going to be it this was going to be

was going to be it this was going to be
it that this was going to be our one

it that this was going to be our one

it that this was going to be our one
chance the next day we were sitting in

chance the next day we were sitting in

chance the next day we were sitting in
the bus and we thought well what are we

the bus and we thought well what are we

the bus and we thought well what are we
going to do where are we going to have

going to do where are we going to have

going to do where are we going to have
this we nobody comes to see us if this

this we nobody comes to see us if this

this we nobody comes to see us if this
guy comes and there's nobody there he's

guy comes and there's nobody there he's

guy comes and there's nobody there he's
just going to go well obviously they

just going to go well obviously they

just going to go well obviously they
don't draw any people so we picked

don't draw any people so we picked

don't draw any people so we picked
elenwood Kansas this little town in

elenwood Kansas this little town in

elenwood Kansas this little town in
Western

Western

Western
Kansas there's nothing but a grain

Kansas there's nothing but a grain

Kansas there's nothing but a grain
elevator and a gas station and an opera

elevator and a gas station and an opera

elevator and a gas station and an opera
house this old opera house was basically

house this old opera house was basically

house this old opera house was basically
the only thing in this in the quote

the only thing in this in the quote

the only thing in this in the quote
downtown area that was downtown I think

downtown area that was downtown I think

downtown area that was downtown I think
it was like

it was like

it was like
$150 to rent the place and that we were

$150 to rent the place and that we were

$150 to rent the place and that we were
going to give away free beer and we put

going to give away free beer and we put

going to give away free beer and we put
posters up on every telephone pole with

posters up on every telephone pole with

posters up on every telephone pole with
a 200m radius and we thought that if we

a 200m radius and we thought that if we

a 200m radius and we thought that if we
advertised enough that we were giving

advertised enough that we were giving

advertised enough that we were giving
away free beer

away free beer

away free beer
that uh people might come forget about

that uh people might come forget about

that uh people might come forget about
who was playing under small print Under

who was playing under small print Under

who was playing under small print Under
This is Kansas but free

This is Kansas but free

This is Kansas but free
beer and man when when it came time for

beer and man when when it came time for

beer and man when when it came time for
that show they were lined up for miles

that show they were lined up for miles

that show they were lined up for miles
down the highway then there's people

down the highway then there's people

down the highway then there's people
clamoring to get in the house is packed

clamoring to get in the house is packed

clamoring to get in the house is packed
everybody's screaming well they're all

everybody's screaming well they're all

everybody's screaming well they're all
drunk I remember that night pretty well

drunk I remember that night pretty well

drunk I remember that night pretty well
because I was one of the people that

because I was one of the people that

because I was one of the people that
actually counted the money that came in

actually counted the money that came in

actually counted the money that came in
from the door we had 52 25 people there

from the door we had 52 25 people there

from the door we had 52 25 people there
that night or

that night or

that night or
526 we charged them each a quarter to

526 we charged them each a quarter to

526 we charged them each a quarter to
get in it was good it was a smart thing

get in it was good it was a smart thing

get in it was good it was a smart thing
to do we I didn't realize it was that

to do we I didn't realize it was that

to do we I didn't realize it was that
smart but packed the place out way over

smart but packed the place out way over

smart but packed the place out way over
the top being young and dumb we did have

the top being young and dumb we did have

the top being young and dumb we did have
a moment of Brilliance Wally was very

a moment of Brilliance Wally was very

a moment of Brilliance Wally was very
surprised at the at the crowd reaction

surprised at the at the crowd reaction

surprised at the at the crowd reaction
and he I don't think he knew that we had

and he I don't think he knew that we had

and he I don't think he knew that we had
given away all this beer to all these

given away all this beer to all these

given away all this beer to all these
kids so and and the crowd was just out

kids so and and the crowd was just out

kids so and and the crowd was just out
of their mind needless to say we played

of their mind needless to say we played

of their mind needless to say we played
our hearts out if you hear a tape of it

our hearts out if you hear a tape of it

our hearts out if you hear a tape of it
it sounded

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horrible will

reach now we're going to die some of the

reach now we're going to die some of the
worst vocals we' ever uttered in our

worst vocals we' ever uttered in our

worst vocals we' ever uttered in our
lives ever sung in our lives are on that

lives ever sung in our lives are on that

lives ever sung in our lives are on that
tape so we were amazed that Wally even

tape so we were amazed that Wally even

tape so we were amazed that Wally even
signed us Wally was impressed and that's

signed us Wally was impressed and that's

signed us Wally was impressed and that's
all pretty much that mattered he

all pretty much that mattered he

all pretty much that mattered he
specifically walked over to Robbie and

specifically walked over to Robbie and

specifically walked over to Robbie and
and uh said you know because of the

and uh said you know because of the

and uh said you know because of the
violin I want to sign you guys somebody

violin I want to sign you guys somebody

violin I want to sign you guys somebody
at Colombia I think his name was Godard

at Colombia I think his name was Godard

at Colombia I think his name was Godard
leverson you know heard the violin and

leverson you know heard the violin and

leverson you know heard the violin and
was into classical music and decided

was into classical music and decided

was into classical music and decided
that that might be the way to go so when

that that might be the way to go so when

that that might be the way to go so when
we heard that kishner was interested and

we heard that kishner was interested and

we heard that kishner was interested and
I well all I all I knew in my head then

I well all I all I knew in my head then

I well all I all I knew in my head then
was monkeys and I thought God what in

was monkeys and I thought God what in

was monkeys and I thought God what in
the world do some guy hearing us after

the world do some guy hearing us after

the world do some guy hearing us after
it was over Wally said you guys you're

it was over Wally said you guys you're

it was over Wally said you guys you're
coming to New York we were ready to to

coming to New York we were ready to to

coming to New York we were ready to to
get out of of Topeka and go record that

get out of of Topeka and go record that

get out of of Topeka and go record that
gig Ellenwood opera house was a was the

gig Ellenwood opera house was a was the

gig Ellenwood opera house was a was the
start of our career again all part of

start of our career again all part of

start of our career again all part of
this miracle that that happened and this

this miracle that that happened and this

this miracle that that happened and this
happened and this lined up that's how we

happened and this lined up that's how we

happened and this lined up that's how we
got signed they literally seemed like

got signed they literally seemed like

got signed they literally seemed like
one of the most down-to-earth groups you

one of the most down-to-earth groups you

one of the most down-to-earth groups you
could ever meet and I think because it's

could ever meet and I think because it's

could ever meet and I think because it's
hard to get your ass kissed in Kansas in

hard to get your ass kissed in Kansas in

hard to get your ass kissed in Kansas in
La it's hard for you not to get your ass

La it's hard for you not to get your ass

La it's hard for you not to get your ass
kissed we didn't know anything about the

kissed we didn't know anything about the

kissed we didn't know anything about the
business there was no internet where you

business there was no internet where you

business there was no internet where you
could go and say well how do we do this

could go and say well how do we do this

could go and say well how do we do this
we didn't think to consult an attorney

we didn't think to consult an attorney

we didn't think to consult an attorney
duh here's the contract sign it there's

duh here's the contract sign it there's

duh here's the contract sign it there's
a big thick one then there was just a

a big thick one then there was just a

a big thick one then there was just a
couple Pages called publishing and I

couple Pages called publishing and I

couple Pages called publishing and I
remember to the day I die Carrie turning

remember to the day I die Carrie turning

remember to the day I die Carrie turning
me and going what is publishing I think

me and going what is publishing I think

me and going what is publishing I think
it has something to do with she music

it has something to do with she music

it has something to do with she music
let's sign it signed away 30 million

let's sign it signed away 30 million

let's sign it signed away 30 million
albums worth of publishing we all

albums worth of publishing we all

albums worth of publishing we all
willingly leap to to the table and sign

willingly leap to to the table and sign

willingly leap to to the table and sign
this we weren't thinking about how many

this we weren't thinking about how many

this we weren't thinking about how many
points we're going to be going anywhere

points we're going to be going anywhere

points we're going to be going anywhere
we didn't even know what that meant Don

we didn't even know what that meant Don

we didn't even know what that meant Don
said guys I'm a publisher I have Carol

said guys I'm a publisher I have Carol

said guys I'm a publisher I have Carol
King publishing I have Beatles

King publishing I have Beatles

King publishing I have Beatles
publishing I have Neil Sedaka publishing

publishing I have Neil Sedaka publishing

publishing I have Neil Sedaka publishing
I have mon monkeys publishing I've built

I have mon monkeys publishing I've built

I have mon monkeys publishing I've built
my Empire on publishing I'm not really a

my Empire on publishing I'm not really a

my Empire on publishing I'm not really a
record company guy I'm a publisher if

record company guy I'm a publisher if

record company guy I'm a publisher if
you want to do this deal that's what I

you want to do this deal that's what I

you want to do this deal that's what I
own if you don't want to do it I wish

own if you don't want to do it I wish

own if you don't want to do it I wish
you all the best asked well if it wasn't

you all the best asked well if it wasn't

you all the best asked well if it wasn't
for Don kersner I wouldn't be doing this

for Don kersner I wouldn't be doing this

for Don kersner I wouldn't be doing this
interview not that I re regret that

interview not that I re regret that

interview not that I re regret that
because like I say it was the only break

because like I say it was the only break

because like I say it was the only break
we ever got this was an opportunity to

we ever got this was an opportunity to

we ever got this was an opportunity to
record an album we were now heading to

record an album we were now heading to

record an album we were now heading to
New York with a whole Bevy of new

New York with a whole Bevy of new

New York with a whole Bevy of new
material unbeknown to to our producer

material unbeknown to to our producer

material unbeknown to to our producer
who whose last record was Barbara

who whose last record was Barbara

who whose last record was Barbara
Sten this is going to be interesting

Sten this is going to be interesting

Sten this is going to be interesting
coming from topa to New York was very

coming from topa to New York was very

coming from topa to New York was very
small to very big and we were very slack

small to very big and we were very slack

small to very big and we were very slack
jawed open-mouthed about it all we

jawed open-mouthed about it all we

jawed open-mouthed about it all we
didn't have a road manager we didn't

didn't have a road manager we didn't

didn't have a road manager we didn't
have a manager we didn't have anybody it

have a manager we didn't have anybody it

have a manager we didn't have anybody it
was just a six of nobody was even there

was just a six of nobody was even there

was just a six of nobody was even there
to meet us this was back in the day when

to meet us this was back in the day when

to meet us this was back in the day when
42nd Street was really a destination

42nd Street was really a destination

42nd Street was really a destination
that you were really careful to walk

that you were really careful to walk

that you were really careful to walk
there was drug dealers and hookers

there was drug dealers and hookers

there was drug dealers and hookers
everywhere that was all very

everywhere that was all very

everywhere that was all very
intimidating coming from a place where

intimidating coming from a place where

intimidating coming from a place where
people didn't even lock their

doors let's go to the recording studio

doors let's go to the recording studio
you know it's a record plant probably

you know it's a record plant probably

you know it's a record plant probably
one of the most famous studios at the

one of the most famous studios at the

one of the most famous studios at the
time in the world Studio A was Alice

time in the world Studio A was Alice

time in the world Studio A was Alice
Cooper BJ Thomas is in another place one

Cooper BJ Thomas is in another place one

Cooper BJ Thomas is in another place one
of the guys that was shuffling in and

of the guys that was shuffling in and

of the guys that was shuffling in and
out of our third story studio all the

out of our third story studio all the

out of our third story studio all the
time we were doing the first record was

time we were doing the first record was

time we were doing the first record was
Rick daringer still one of the best

Rick daringer still one of the best

Rick daringer still one of the best
guitar players ever there goes Steven

guitar players ever there goes Steven

guitar players ever there goes Steven
Tyler and there goes John lenen and

Tyler and there goes John lenen and

Tyler and there goes John lenen and
Kansas little old Kansas was in Studio C

Kansas little old Kansas was in Studio C

Kansas little old Kansas was in Studio C
uh we had the midnight shift at the

uh we had the midnight shift at the

uh we had the midnight shift at the
record plant and no pressure $0000 an

record plant and no pressure $0000 an

record plant and no pressure $0000 an
hour you know we knew nothing about the

hour you know we knew nothing about the

hour you know we knew nothing about the
recording process you know outside of

recording process you know outside of

recording process you know outside of
setting up a couple of mics and

setting up a couple of mics and

setting up a couple of mics and
recording ourselves live uh our only

recording ourselves live uh our only

recording ourselves live uh our only
experience before that was going into a

experience before that was going into a

experience before that was going into a
little eight track Studio where we did

little eight track Studio where we did

little eight track Studio where we did
the demo recording was a completely

the demo recording was a completely

the demo recording was a completely
different process then it was very

different process then it was very

different process then it was very
Elementary recording a song from

Elementary recording a song from

Elementary recording a song from
beginning end was was a chore I mean

beginning end was was a chore I mean

beginning end was was a chore I mean
back then we had to do everything over

back then we had to do everything over

back then we had to do everything over
and over and over again they had to

and over and over again they had to

and over and over again they had to
punch you in and out clean and uh if you

punch you in and out clean and uh if you

punch you in and out clean and uh if you
made a mistake you might have to play

made a mistake you might have to play

made a mistake you might have to play
two verses in a chorus before they could

two verses in a chorus before they could

two verses in a chorus before they could
punch you out so one note off you just

punch you out so one note off you just

punch you out so one note off you just
sweat it and then you missed that

sweat it and then you missed that

sweat it and then you missed that
nerve-wracking very alive you couldn't

nerve-wracking very alive you couldn't

nerve-wracking very alive you couldn't
there was no copy and paste okay we've

there was no copy and paste okay we've

there was no copy and paste okay we've
got this now we'll just fly this in

got this now we'll just fly this in

got this now we'll just fly this in
every other time and these weren't 89

every other time and these weren't 89

every other time and these weren't 89
minute songs that I was playing from

minute songs that I was playing from

minute songs that I was playing from
beginning to end you know well you

beginning to end you know well you

beginning to end you know well you
better get it right well gee no pressure

better get it right well gee no pressure

better get it right well gee no pressure
you know can I do it again well you're

you know can I do it again well you're

you know can I do it again well you're
not going to do a bunch of 9 minute

not going to do a bunch of 9 minute

not going to do a bunch of 9 minute
songs we don't have enough tape so

songs we don't have enough tape so

songs we don't have enough tape so
everything had to be from the beginning

everything had to be from the beginning

everything had to be from the beginning
to the end in its entirety and so by the

to the end in its entirety and so by the

to the end in its entirety and so by the
time you got a basic

time you got a basic

time you got a basic
track it was it was such a celebration

track it was it was such a celebration

track it was it was such a celebration
yeah once Steve started

yeah once Steve started

yeah once Steve started
singing oh my

singing oh my

singing oh my
gosh the Mind love the worldy ways and

gosh the Mind love the worldy ways and

gosh the Mind love the worldy ways and
hope to

hope to

hope to
find we'd go get a pizza we'd come back

find we'd go get a pizza we'd come back

find we'd go get a pizza we'd come back
on oh my gosh where did this guy come

on oh my gosh where did this guy come

on oh my gosh where did this guy come
from you know

from you know

from you know
to find the light of day in his

to find the light of day in his

to find the light of day in his
soul he had found it was a chance for us

soul he had found it was a chance for us

soul he had found it was a chance for us
to really hear for the first time the

to really hear for the first time the

to really hear for the first time the
depth of

depth of

depth of
Steve will through

Steve will through

Steve will through
return Destiny fill the words

return Destiny fill the words

return Destiny fill the words
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with

with

with
eternal

eternal

eternal
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we had no idea this guy could go to the

we had no idea this guy could go to the
Moon as a

Moon as a

Moon as a
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sent we made that album in two

sent we made that album in two

sent we made that album in two
weeks two weeks total most of them were

weeks two weeks total most of them were

weeks two weeks total most of them were
first takes live

first takes live

first takes live
playing and uh and that was

playing and uh and that was

playing and uh and that was
it the first time we met Don kishner uh

it the first time we met Don kishner uh

it the first time we met Don kishner uh
um going up to his

um going up to his

um going up to his
office he had probably seen a promo shot

office he had probably seen a promo shot

office he had probably seen a promo shot
but I don't even know if he had that but

but I don't even know if he had that but

but I don't even know if he had that but
you know us walking into his office

you know us walking into his office

you know us walking into his office
Larger than Life he must have been

Larger than Life he must have been

Larger than Life he must have been
impressed because we looked fairly

impressed because we looked fairly

impressed because we looked fairly
imposing we were big guys uh Rich was a

imposing we were big guys uh Rich was a

imposing we were big guys uh Rich was a
huge guy with overalls on with hair out

huge guy with overalls on with hair out

huge guy with overalls on with hair out
like this Robby head hair like his

like this Robby head hair like his

like this Robby head hair like his
whatever he was thinking I don't know

whatever he was thinking I don't know

whatever he was thinking I don't know
the thing about Don kersner is I'd never

the thing about Don kersner is I'd never

the thing about Don kersner is I'd never
seen a a gentleman like that before

seen a a gentleman like that before

seen a a gentleman like that before
$3,000 suits $200 manicures pedicures

$3,000 suits $200 manicures pedicures

$3,000 suits $200 manicures pedicures
you know just perfect from head to toe I

you know just perfect from head to toe I

you know just perfect from head to toe I
can't imagine when we left the room he

can't imagine when we left the room he

can't imagine when we left the room he
must have gone to to Wall-E and herbis

must have gone to to Wall-E and herbis

must have gone to to Wall-E and herbis
was going what have we got ourselves

was going what have we got ourselves

was going what have we got ourselves
into here one thing that impressed us

into here one thing that impressed us

into here one thing that impressed us
with who he was he gave us a check for

with who he was he gave us a check for

with who he was he gave us a check for
10

10

10
grand now

grand now

grand now
$110,000 was more money than we had ever

$110,000 was more money than we had ever

$110,000 was more money than we had ever
never dreamed

never dreamed

never dreamed
of well my job when I went home was to

of well my job when I went home was to

of well my job when I went home was to
work on the album cover I was never an

work on the album cover I was never an

work on the album cover I was never an
artist so it wasn't like anything I was

artist so it wasn't like anything I was

artist so it wasn't like anything I was
going to draw or formulate but I I knew

going to draw or formulate but I I knew

going to draw or formulate but I I knew
in my mind what the album cover was

in my mind what the album cover was

in my mind what the album cover was
going to

be it's John Brown in Thea state capital

be it's John Brown in Thea state capital
building I was here in 1966 when I was

building I was here in 1966 when I was

building I was here in 1966 when I was
15 16 years old and I remember walking

15 16 years old and I remember walking

15 16 years old and I remember walking
in and seeing this mural and just going

in and seeing this mural and just going

in and seeing this mural and just going
uh that is so amazing and if I'm ever in

uh that is so amazing and if I'm ever in

uh that is so amazing and if I'm ever in
a band that were able to have an album

a band that were able to have an album

a band that were able to have an album
come out that's got to be the cover but

come out that's got to be the cover but

come out that's got to be the cover but
I couldn't find a photo of it and uh I

I couldn't find a photo of it and uh I

I couldn't find a photo of it and uh I
had run into it a childhood friend of

had run into it a childhood friend of

had run into it a childhood friend of
mine he said well I heard you guys made

mine he said well I heard you guys made

mine he said well I heard you guys made
a record again this is all part of this

a record again this is all part of this

a record again this is all part of this
whole Miracle thing that just how do

whole Miracle thing that just how do

whole Miracle thing that just how do
these things line up he said you know

these things line up he said you know

these things line up he said you know
what's your cover he he was a good

what's your cover he he was a good

what's your cover he he was a good
friend so he wanted to know everything

friend so he wanted to know everything

friend so he wanted to know everything
about the record and I said well we're

about the record and I said well we're

about the record and I said well we're
going to use the the John Brown painting

going to use the the John Brown painting

going to use the the John Brown painting
in the capital building and and I said

in the capital building and and I said

in the capital building and and I said
but we can't find a photo and he goes

but we can't find a photo and he goes

but we can't find a photo and he goes
Phil my dad is is the Kansas State

Phil my dad is is the Kansas State

Phil my dad is is the Kansas State
photographer my dad's got the photo what

photographer my dad's got the photo what

photographer my dad's got the photo what
he said yeah my dad's got the photo I'll

he said yeah my dad's got the photo I'll

he said yeah my dad's got the photo I'll
give him a call so he calls his dad he

give him a call so he calls his dad he

give him a call so he calls his dad he
says oh yeah I got a whole bunch of

says oh yeah I got a whole bunch of

says oh yeah I got a whole bunch of
pictures of that he said they're welcome

pictures of that he said they're welcome

pictures of that he said they're welcome
to use it I was thrilled about the album

to use it I was thrilled about the album

to use it I was thrilled about the album
cover I thought it I thought it said a

cover I thought it I thought it said a

cover I thought it I thought it said a
lot without really saying a lot you know

lot without really saying a lot you know

lot without really saying a lot you know
a Bible in one hand and a rifle in the

a Bible in one hand and a rifle in the

a Bible in one hand and a rifle in the
other you can't get any weirder than

other you can't get any weirder than

other you can't get any weirder than
that if there is one iconic image of

that if there is one iconic image of

that if there is one iconic image of
Kansas it's John Brown and we used his

Kansas it's John Brown and we used his

Kansas it's John Brown and we used his
photo on the album cover the name Kansas

photo on the album cover the name Kansas

photo on the album cover the name Kansas
says it all it's like you know as

says it all it's like you know as

says it all it's like you know as
opposed to a Genesis or yes there was no

opposed to a Genesis or yes there was no

opposed to a Genesis or yes there was no
pretention really the pretention was the

pretention really the pretention was the

pretention really the pretention was the
desire to you know push Rock a little

desire to you know push Rock a little

desire to you know push Rock a little
further get a call from CBS at the time

further get a call from CBS at the time

further get a call from CBS at the time
and said guys have you ever done a photo

and said guys have you ever done a photo

and said guys have you ever done a photo
session uh no well we're going to send

session uh no well we're going to send

session uh no well we're going to send
out a photographer one of our

out a photographer one of our

out a photographer one of our
photographers a staff uh photographer to

photographers a staff uh photographer to

photographers a staff uh photographer to
come photograph you guys cuz we need

come photograph you guys cuz we need

come photograph you guys cuz we need
some band pictures this band is the all

some band pictures this band is the all

some band pictures this band is the all
time we hate photographers band a guy

time we hate photographers band a guy

time we hate photographers band a guy
shows up and his name is Don

shows up and his name is Don

shows up and his name is Don
hunstein nice guy probably drew the

hunstein nice guy probably drew the

hunstein nice guy probably drew the
Short Straw you can imagine who wants to

Short Straw you can imagine who wants to

Short Straw you can imagine who wants to
go to Kansas and photograph Kansas was

go to Kansas and photograph Kansas was

go to Kansas and photograph Kansas was
like okay well take a number out of the

like okay well take a number out of the

like okay well take a number out of the
Hat low number has to go you know well

Hat low number has to go you know well

Hat low number has to go you know well
obviously he didn't have a chance to

obviously he didn't have a chance to

obviously he didn't have a chance to
scout any places so where's the first

scout any places so where's the first

scout any places so where's the first
place he takes us you can imagine with

place he takes us you can imagine with

place he takes us you can imagine with
this beautiful countryside he takes us

this beautiful countryside he takes us

this beautiful countryside he takes us
to

to

to
McDonald's I thought Steve was going to

McDonald's I thought Steve was going to

McDonald's I thought Steve was going to
punch him in the face if you look at

punch him in the face if you look at

punch him in the face if you look at
some of these early photographs of Steve

some of these early photographs of Steve

some of these early photographs of Steve
Steve's just like I mean he was like you

Steve's just like I mean he was like you

Steve's just like I mean he was like you
know this is not what I imagined you

know this is not what I imagined you

know this is not what I imagined you
know in McDonald's and I'm just going

know in McDonald's and I'm just going

know in McDonald's and I'm just going
let's just go with it for now you know

let's just go with it for now you know

let's just go with it for now you know
get this and Steve was just like you

get this and Steve was just like you

get this and Steve was just like you
know biting through metal you know then

know biting through metal you know then

know biting through metal you know then
he takes us to a truck lot cuz cuz while

he takes us to a truck lot cuz cuz while

he takes us to a truck lot cuz cuz while
he's shooting us at McDonald's he

he's shooting us at McDonald's he

he's shooting us at McDonald's he
notices these semi these big

notices these semi these big

notices these semi these big
semis uh for sale at a truck lab let's

semis uh for sale at a truck lab let's

semis uh for sale at a truck lab let's
go over there to those semis we're going

go over there to those semis we're going

go over there to those semis we're going
why Don cuz you know Kansas has a big

why Don cuz you know Kansas has a big

why Don cuz you know Kansas has a big
sound what like a

sound what like a

sound what like a
semi while we're standing there again

semi while we're standing there again

semi while we're standing there again
another miracle a storm moves in now

another miracle a storm moves in now

another miracle a storm moves in now
Kansas storms happen like in about 5

Kansas storms happen like in about 5

Kansas storms happen like in about 5
minutes and he looks off in the distance

minutes and he looks off in the distance

minutes and he looks off in the distance
and here comes one of those black cloud

and here comes one of those black cloud

and here comes one of those black cloud
nightmares coming towards Topeka and and

nightmares coming towards Topeka and and

nightmares coming towards Topeka and and
it's dark and it's black behind the band

it's dark and it's black behind the band

it's dark and it's black behind the band
and there's not much light and all of a

and there's not much light and all of a

and there's not much light and all of a
sudden the clouds part and we lied up

sudden the clouds part and we lied up

sudden the clouds part and we lied up
said look that way don't look at me look

said look that way don't look at me look

said look that way don't look at me look
at the sun it's like and all this we're

at the sun it's like and all this we're

at the sun it's like and all this we're
looking at the wind it's like blowing

looking at the wind it's like blowing

looking at the wind it's like blowing
look at the Sun and we're going God

look at the Sun and we're going God

look at the Sun and we're going God
you're killing us you know that was an

you're killing us you know that was an

you're killing us you know that was an
iconic picture that remained with us

iconic picture that remained with us

iconic picture that remained with us
through all 40 years and he took us to a

through all 40 years and he took us to a

through all 40 years and he took us to a
few more places but he kept saying I got

few more places but he kept saying I got

few more places but he kept saying I got
it I got the photo I and that was the

it I got the photo I and that was the

it I got the photo I and that was the
last ingredient added it to the cake and

last ingredient added it to the cake and

last ingredient added it to the cake and
came out the first Kansas

came out the first Kansas

came out the first Kansas
Al we have made a

Al we have made a

Al we have made a
record and so you know now we're going

record and so you know now we're going

record and so you know now we're going
to be conquering Heroes coming back to

to be conquering Heroes coming back to

to be conquering Heroes coming back to
Topeka so we're kind of a big deal in

Topeka so we're kind of a big deal in

Topeka so we're kind of a big deal in
Topeka because we went to New York and

Topeka because we went to New York and

Topeka because we went to New York and
made a record with a big music mogul

made a record with a big music mogul

made a record with a big music mogul
that everybody was watching on TV every

that everybody was watching on TV every

that everybody was watching on TV every
Friday nights I guess and now we're home

Friday nights I guess and now we're home

Friday nights I guess and now we're home
so now what do we

so now what do we

so now what do we
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do when we came back to to

do when we came back to to

do when we came back to to
we're telling our friends yeah we make a

we're telling our friends yeah we make a

we're telling our friends yeah we make a
record's going to be out here pretty

record's going to be out here pretty

record's going to be out here pretty
quick

quick

quick
uh-huh we had no idea it took that long

uh-huh we had no idea it took that long

uh-huh we had no idea it took that long
from the time you cut it we just thought

from the time you cut it we just thought

from the time you cut it we just thought
maybe next month or something sat and

maybe next month or something sat and

maybe next month or something sat and
sat and we proceeded to sit on our

sat and we proceeded to sit on our

sat and we proceeded to sit on our
behinds for almost a year it was it

behinds for almost a year it was it

behinds for almost a year it was it
became kind of a struggle at this point

became kind of a struggle at this point

became kind of a struggle at this point
it was kind of a scary moment bit

it was kind of a scary moment bit

it was kind of a scary moment bit
disillusioned by the whole process the

disillusioned by the whole process the

disillusioned by the whole process the
marketing plan had to be put together to

marketing plan had to be put together to

marketing plan had to be put together to
satisfy us cuz we were spending our

satisfy us cuz we were spending our

satisfy us cuz we were spending our
dollars in advertising we didn't just

dollars in advertising we didn't just

dollars in advertising we didn't just
release it you know that Tuesday thing

release it you know that Tuesday thing

release it you know that Tuesday thing
wasn't in existence in those days like

wasn't in existence in those days like

wasn't in existence in those days like
it is now you release the records in the

it is now you release the records in the

it is now you release the records in the
stores on Tuesdays when it was ready to

stores on Tuesdays when it was ready to

stores on Tuesdays when it was ready to
go we put it out well we have to eat so

go we put it out well we have to eat so

go we put it out well we have to eat so
I guess it's back in the bus and back at

I guess it's back in the bus and back at

I guess it's back in the bus and back at
I70 west on I70 was where our bus would

I70 west on I70 was where our bus would

I70 west on I70 was where our bus would
go by itself I mean it was one of those

go by itself I mean it was one of those

go by itself I mean it was one of those
things we played so much West on I70

things we played so much West on I70

things we played so much West on I70
everything we played was West we never

everything we played was West we never

everything we played was West we never
went to Kansas City we never went into

went to Kansas City we never went into

went to Kansas City we never went into
Missouri we never went in Nebraska or

Missouri we never went in Nebraska or

Missouri we never went in Nebraska or
even you know Oklahoma it was get in

even you know Oklahoma it was get in

even you know Oklahoma it was get in
this bus and go West on I70 I remember

this bus and go West on I70 I remember

this bus and go West on I70 I remember
that winter we didn't have a heater we

that winter we didn't have a heater we

that winter we didn't have a heater we
picked up the hitchhiker dead cold

picked up the hitchhiker dead cold

picked up the hitchhiker dead cold
winter I thought we thought that poor

winter I thought we thought that poor

winter I thought we thought that poor
guy and he rode with us for about a half

guy and he rode with us for about a half

guy and he rode with us for about a half
an hour and he says hey I I hope you

an hour and he says hey I I hope you

an hour and he says hey I I hope you
don't think I'm being a jerk or anything

don't think I'm being a jerk or anything

don't think I'm being a jerk or anything
but would you let me off cuz I want to

but would you let me off cuz I want to

but would you let me off cuz I want to
take my chances getting in a car with a

take my chances getting in a car with a

take my chances getting in a car with a
heater we said we perfectly understand

heater we said we perfectly understand

heater we said we perfectly understand
pulled over on the side of the highway

pulled over on the side of the highway

pulled over on the side of the highway
and let him off to turn this bus you

and let him off to turn this bus you

and let him off to turn this bus you
would turn the wheel and keep on turning

would turn the wheel and keep on turning

would turn the wheel and keep on turning
turn it turn and it move like this much

turn it turn and it move like this much

turn it turn and it move like this much
then you go back this way so you're

then you go back this way so you're

then you go back this way so you're
constantly doing this while you're

constantly doing this while you're

constantly doing this while you're
driving it so here we are riding back

driving it so here we are riding back

driving it so here we are riding back
out I said we just been in New York wind

out I said we just been in New York wind

out I said we just been in New York wind
and Dy the finest Studios John lenen

and Dy the finest Studios John lenen

and Dy the finest Studios John lenen
Yoko everybody hey how's it and now

Yoko everybody hey how's it and now

Yoko everybody hey how's it and now
we're back in the bus looking at

we're back in the bus looking at

we're back in the bus looking at
cornfields we set up our own tour

cornfields we set up our own tour

cornfields we set up our own tour
playing around the State promoting our

playing around the State promoting our

playing around the State promoting our
own shows and that really got us by 10

own shows and that really got us by 10

own shows and that really got us by 10
months the record finally recorded in 73

months the record finally recorded in 73

months the record finally recorded in 73
it came out in 74 came out in the next

it came out in 74 came out in the next

it came out in 74 came out in the next
year the record was out it was in stores

year the record was out it was in stores

year the record was out it was in stores
so you could actually go and pick it up

so you could actually go and pick it up

so you could actually go and pick it up
and there was that John Brown guy

and there was that John Brown guy

and there was that John Brown guy
looking at you and we turned it over and

looking at you and we turned it over and

looking at you and we turned it over and
there was that picture of us standing on

there was that picture of us standing on

there was that picture of us standing on
the hill and we thought wow how did that

the hill and we thought wow how did that

the hill and we thought wow how did that
turn out so good and after that things

turn out so good and after that things

turn out so good and after that things
started happening pretty fast finally

started happening pretty fast finally

started happening pretty fast finally
Kansas is on the map now what do we do

Kansas is on the map now what do we do

Kansas is on the map now what do we do
enter car it's 1974 I'm working in New

enter car it's 1974 I'm working in New

enter car it's 1974 I'm working in New
York as a booking agent for uh major

York as a booking agent for uh major

York as a booking agent for uh major
talent agency I got a call from a friend

talent agency I got a call from a friend

talent agency I got a call from a friend
I went to college with who is now

I went to college with who is now

I went to college with who is now
working is working for a um very large

working is working for a um very large

working is working for a um very large
management company in Los Angeles called

management company in Los Angeles called

management company in Los Angeles called
BNB Associates and Elliot Abbott was his

BNB Associates and Elliot Abbott was his

BNB Associates and Elliot Abbott was his
name and Elliot said to me so if we're

name and Elliot said to me so if we're

name and Elliot said to me so if we're
going to sign him you have to sign him

going to sign him you have to sign him

going to sign him you have to sign him
as an agent and I went okay and we were

as an agent and I went okay and we were

as an agent and I went okay and we were
off to to Phoenix Arizona to open for my

off to to Phoenix Arizona to open for my

off to to Phoenix Arizona to open for my
childhood Idols the Kings we found very

childhood Idols the Kings we found very

childhood Idols the Kings we found very
quickly when we started Touring that we

quickly when we started Touring that we

quickly when we started Touring that we
needed a sound man so I mentioned to the

needed a sound man so I mentioned to the

needed a sound man so I mentioned to the
guys I said why don't we have Jeff go on

guys I said why don't we have Jeff go on

guys I said why don't we have Jeff go on
the road with us and be our soundman we

the road with us and be our soundman we

the road with us and be our soundman we
need a soundman come with us you love

need a soundman come with us you love

need a soundman come with us you love
sound you're into this whole concept of

sound you're into this whole concept of

sound you're into this whole concept of
putting all the sound through a PA

putting all the sound through a PA

putting all the sound through a PA
system which you know miking it up every

system which you know miking it up every

system which you know miking it up every
instrument and controlling the sound so

instrument and controlling the sound so

instrument and controlling the sound so
why don't you come do that with us we're

why don't you come do that with us we're

why don't you come do that with us we're
going to kind of Hit the road and then

going to kind of Hit the road and then

going to kind of Hit the road and then
you know see how it goes he didn't even

you know see how it goes he didn't even

you know see how it goes he didn't even
think about he just went all right I'll

think about he just went all right I'll

think about he just went all right I'll
do it it and Jeff was just as hungry as

do it it and Jeff was just as hungry as

do it it and Jeff was just as hungry as
we were and Jeff learned fast from that

we were and Jeff learned fast from that

we were and Jeff learned fast from that
moment on we started getting opening

moment on we started getting opening

moment on we started getting opening
slots you know here and there a year

slots you know here and there a year

slots you know here and there a year
later or so we are gone when you're

later or so we are gone when you're

later or so we are gone when you're
starting bands out um you just do the

starting bands out um you just do the

starting bands out um you just do the
best you can to continually get them

best you can to continually get them

best you can to continually get them
gigs and the acts that they went out

gigs and the acts that they went out

gigs and the acts that they went out
with Mo the hoop uh The Kinks they all

with Mo the hoop uh The Kinks they all

with Mo the hoop uh The Kinks they all
liked them for a long time after the

liked them for a long time after the

liked them for a long time after the
first album came out we we didn't go

first album came out we we didn't go

first album came out we we didn't go
home it was constant true

home it was constant true

home it was constant true
it was one tour after another that year

it was one tour after another that year

it was one tour after another that year
that first year I believe we it was 248

that first year I believe we it was 248

that first year I believe we it was 248
gigs that we played touring we just

gigs that we played touring we just

gigs that we played touring we just
lived on the road when you're playing

lived on the road when you're playing

lived on the road when you're playing
that many gigs you can't help but get

that many gigs you can't help but get

that many gigs you can't help but get
tighter we got to be better players be

tighter we got to be better players be

tighter we got to be better players be
better players together the baptism of

better players together the baptism of

better players together the baptism of
fire if you will we we got dipped into

fire if you will we we got dipped into

fire if you will we we got dipped into
that and uh it was what we had wanted

that and uh it was what we had wanted

that and uh it was what we had wanted
exactly what we had wanted and we were

exactly what we had wanted and we were

exactly what we had wanted and we were
we were just uh living on the road

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what changed my life about Kansas was

what changed my life about Kansas was
one it's

one it's

one it's
Sam and what killed me about Kansas I

Sam and what killed me about Kansas I

Sam and what killed me about Kansas I
gave back and told my guys just all my

gave back and told my guys just all my

gave back and told my guys just all my
friends I said I'm not sure what I just

friends I said I'm not sure what I just

friends I said I'm not sure what I just
saw but I know I watched a

saw but I know I watched a

saw but I know I watched a
drummer playing actual

drummer playing actual

drummer playing actual
notes not just beats and to say I was in

notes not just beats and to say I was in

notes not just beats and to say I was in
the nose bed

the nose bed

the nose bed
seats the good seats were the nose

seats the good seats were the nose

seats the good seats were the nose
bleach seats where we were you know we

bleach seats where we were you know we

bleach seats where we were you know we
were past the nose bleach seats and

were past the nose bleach seats and

were past the nose bleach seats and
these guys reached out and just grabbed

these guys reached out and just grabbed

these guys reached out and just grabbed
my soul and brought me in and said so

my soul and brought me in and said so

my soul and brought me in and said so
you really thinking about doing this

you really thinking about doing this

you really thinking about doing this
two began together de as

two began together de as

two began together de as
one each one to the other had

one each one to the other had

one each one to the other had
become

become

become
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all

all

all
and after watching Kansas she come back

and after watching Kansas she come back

and after watching Kansas she come back
and you go hell

and you go hell

and you go hell
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yeah we had this opportunity to open for

yeah we had this opportunity to open for

yeah we had this opportunity to open for
this band that we had kind of heard of

this band that we had kind of heard of

this band that we had kind of heard of
called Queen they were good that was one

called Queen they were good that was one

called Queen they were good that was one
of the groups we played with I just sat

of the groups we played with I just sat

of the groups we played with I just sat
there went I'm going to watch some

there went I'm going to watch some

there went I'm going to watch some
tomorrow night thought they just you

tomorrow night thought they just you

tomorrow night thought they just you
know blew us so away it was just oh my

know blew us so away it was just oh my

know blew us so away it was just oh my
gosh what a band you know this is going

gosh what a band you know this is going

gosh what a band you know this is going
to be great Kansas to me as I remember

to be great Kansas to me as I remember

to be great Kansas to me as I remember
were a very complete entity the first

were a very complete entity the first

were a very complete entity the first
time I saw them they were tight as hell

time I saw them they were tight as hell

time I saw them they were tight as hell
you know they were just so well

you know they were just so well

you know they were just so well
rehearsed I can remember sitting with

rehearsed I can remember sitting with

rehearsed I can remember sitting with
Freddy watching them do their sound

Freddy watching them do their sound

Freddy watching them do their sound
check and thinking these guys can

check and thinking these guys can

check and thinking these guys can
really singing or they sound like

really singing or they sound like

really singing or they sound like
they're a record can I tell you

they're a record can I tell you

they're a record can I tell you
something to tell you one thing if you

something to tell you one thing if you

something to tell you one thing if you
expect the freedom that you say is yours

expect the freedom that you say is yours

expect the freedom that you say is yours
prove that you deserve it help us to

prove that you deserve it help us to

prove that you deserve it help us to
preserve it or being free will just be

preserve it or being free will just be

preserve it or being free will just be
once and nothing

once and nothing

once and nothing
more one of the biggest things for the

more one of the biggest things for the

more one of the biggest things for the
band as far as promotion was Don

band as far as promotion was Don

band as far as promotion was Don
kushner's Rock concert the show that he

kushner's Rock concert the show that he

kushner's Rock concert the show that he
had at that time which was watched by

had at that time which was watched by

had at that time which was watched by
everybody all over the country Don

everybody all over the country Don

everybody all over the country Don
kersner was responsible for me

kersner was responsible for me

kersner was responsible for me
discovering Kansas I think it was on Don

discovering Kansas I think it was on Don

discovering Kansas I think it was on Don
kushner's Rock concert and I liked him

kushner's Rock concert and I liked him

kushner's Rock concert and I liked him
immediately it's dude Rock and we were

immediately it's dude Rock and we were

immediately it's dude Rock and we were
young clueless dudes who loved it when

young clueless dudes who loved it when

young clueless dudes who loved it when
you saw it on TV it sounded like 10,000

you saw it on TV it sounded like 10,000

you saw it on TV it sounded like 10,000
people going crazy for you but it wasn't

people going crazy for you but it wasn't

people going crazy for you but it wasn't
anything like that there was nobody

anything like that there was nobody

anything like that there was nobody
there there was supposed to be an

there there was supposed to be an

there there was supposed to be an
audience and was just there's some

audience and was just there's some

audience and was just there's some
chairs and a few like homeless people

chairs and a few like homeless people

chairs and a few like homeless people
you know that kind of let in and of

you know that kind of let in and of

you know that kind of let in and of
course they dubb in all the all the

course they dubb in all the all the

course they dubb in all the all the
Applause and there was nobody there I

Applause and there was nobody there I

Applause and there was nobody there I
don't think they ever panned out at the

don't think they ever panned out at the

don't think they ever panned out at the
crowd and if they did it wasn't our

crowd and if they did it wasn't our

crowd and if they did it wasn't our
crowd I watched

crowd I watched

crowd I watched
religiously Don Kisner's Rock concert

religiously Don Kisner's Rock concert

religiously Don Kisner's Rock concert
and they came on I think they played

and they came on I think they played

and they came on I think they played
canot tell and I was just blown away I

canot tell and I was just blown away I

canot tell and I was just blown away I
thought it was amazing I called my

thought it was amazing I called my

thought it was amazing I called my
friends we all watch it we all liked it

friends we all watch it we all liked it

friends we all watch it we all liked it
we all loved it and we were super prag

we all loved it and we were super prag

we all loved it and we were super prag
heads was kind of before the punk rock

heads was kind of before the punk rock

heads was kind of before the punk rock
thing and all that stuff and it was like

thing and all that stuff and it was like

thing and all that stuff and it was like
the only American band that we even

the only American band that we even

the only American band that we even
remotely thought was good we thought

remotely thought was good we thought

remotely thought was good we thought
they were great and we played

they were great and we played

they were great and we played
and just just killed

and just just killed

and just just killed
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it by the time we got to the second

it by the time we got to the second
album song for America number one my

album song for America number one my

album song for America number one my
writing became much more

writing became much more

writing became much more
refined much more focused I I I had this

refined much more focused I I I had this

refined much more focused I I I had this
vision of what I wanted the band to

vision of what I wanted the band to

vision of what I wanted the band to
sound like and uh it was a it was a

sound like and uh it was a it was a

sound like and uh it was a it was a
Grand Vision it was a

Grand Vision it was a

Grand Vision it was a
big that pretty well sums it up Kansas

big that pretty well sums it up Kansas

big that pretty well sums it up Kansas
sounded huge sounded kind of um sort of

sounded huge sounded kind of um sort of

sounded huge sounded kind of um sort of
classical I suppose you know because

classical I suppose you know because

classical I suppose you know because
there was so much structure in there and

there was so much structure in there and

there was so much structure in there and
it was very polyphonic you know there

it was very polyphonic you know there

it was very polyphonic you know there
are many many Ls going on when I heard

are many many Ls going on when I heard

are many many Ls going on when I heard
song for America it sounded so

song for America it sounded so

song for America it sounded so
complicated to me and so difficult and I

complicated to me and so difficult and I

complicated to me and so difficult and I
could hear everything I was think must

could hear everything I was think must

could hear everything I was think must
taking a year to do this but it only

taking a year to do this but it only

taking a year to do this but it only
it's only been N9 or 10 months I mean I

it's only been N9 or 10 months I mean I

it's only been N9 or 10 months I mean I
had it that work i' been on the road and

had it that work i' been on the road and

had it that work i' been on the road and
as a writer now you have a you know you

as a writer now you have a you know you

as a writer now you have a you know you
get an idea you put on tape well I'm

get an idea you put on tape well I'm

get an idea you put on tape well I'm
going to add this back then it was all

going to add this back then it was all

going to add this back then it was all
really you know the Carri would come up

really you know the Carri would come up

really you know the Carri would come up
with songs sometimes there so many

with songs sometimes there so many

with songs sometimes there so many
amazing Parts Carrie would sit with me

amazing Parts Carrie would sit with me

amazing Parts Carrie would sit with me
and Phil and we' learn the basics and

and Phil and we' learn the basics and

and Phil and we' learn the basics and
then he take rich and him and and Robbie

then he take rich and him and and Robbie

then he take rich and him and and Robbie
and work out the top Parts Carrie wrote

and work out the top Parts Carrie wrote

and work out the top Parts Carrie wrote
a lot of songs that uh that were

a lot of songs that uh that were

a lot of songs that uh that were
rebellious in a way I mean song for

rebellious in a way I mean song for

rebellious in a way I mean song for
America is is all about

America is is all about

America is is all about
environmentalism it's all about you know

environmentalism it's all about you know

environmentalism it's all about you know
what what are we doing to the the planet

what what are we doing to the the planet

what what are we doing to the the planet
I wrote the lyrics to that song as we

I wrote the lyrics to that song as we

I wrote the lyrics to that song as we
were flying out to LA looking at the

were flying out to LA looking at the

were flying out to LA looking at the
window of the plane and thinking about

window of the plane and thinking about

window of the plane and thinking about
America and its history and all the

America and its history and all the

America and its history and all the
stuff that had passed by and all the

stuff that had passed by and all the

stuff that had passed by and all the
stuff through the years and I finished

stuff through the years and I finished

stuff through the years and I finished
it just before we recorded we named the

it just before we recorded we named the

it just before we recorded we named the
album after the song I mean that's that

album after the song I mean that's that

album after the song I mean that's that
kind of tells you something about

kind of tells you something about

kind of tells you something about
it scen dark St play through all life B

it scen dark St play through all life B

it scen dark St play through all life B
Sun Valley

Fields making the second album was great

Fields making the second album was great
great because Don kerser said well where

great because Don kerser said well where

great because Don kerser said well where
do you guys want to go they had

do you guys want to go they had

do you guys want to go they had
previously worked in New York City at

previously worked in New York City at

previously worked in New York City at
the record plant we were at the time

the record plant we were at the time

the record plant we were at the time
really concerned with the vocals and

really concerned with the vocals and

really concerned with the vocals and
they felt like in the first album that

they felt like in the first album that

they felt like in the first album that
some of the vocal qualities and things

some of the vocal qualities and things

some of the vocal qualities and things
didn't come out and we all loved the way

didn't come out and we all loved the way

didn't come out and we all loved the way
Crosby Stills and nashon Young's records

Crosby Stills and nashon Young's records

Crosby Stills and nashon Young's records
sounded we looked on the back it said

sounded we looked on the back it said

sounded we looked on the back it said
Wally Haider

Wally Haider

Wally Haider
La we went out there and was La

La we went out there and was La

La we went out there and was La
Wonderland of the 70s and we stayed at

Wonderland of the 70s and we stayed at

Wonderland of the 70s and we stayed at
the Continental h house and live The

the Continental h house and live The

the Continental h house and live The
Rock and Roll Lifestyle out there while

Rock and Roll Lifestyle out there while

Rock and Roll Lifestyle out there while
we were making

we were making

we were making
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it by this time we had been through the

it by this time we had been through the

it by this time we had been through the
studio experience we knew much more of

studio experience we knew much more of

studio experience we knew much more of
what we wanted to

what we wanted to

what we wanted to
do Don kersner came out to Los Angeles

do Don kersner came out to Los Angeles

do Don kersner came out to Los Angeles
during the recording of song for America

during the recording of song for America

during the recording of song for America
and took us all out to dinner he just

and took us all out to dinner he just

and took us all out to dinner he just
said guys I I I want to try to impress

said guys I I I want to try to impress

said guys I I I want to try to impress
upon you in the music business uh he

upon you in the music business uh he

upon you in the music business uh he
said I've made my fortune off of hit

said I've made my fortune off of hit

said I've made my fortune off of hit
records and he said I love you guys he

records and he said I love you guys he

records and he said I love you guys he
always said that every every time we saw

always said that every every time we saw

always said that every every time we saw
Don kersner he told us how much he loved

Don kersner he told us how much he loved

Don kersner he told us how much he loved
us he said I love you guys but I'm

us he said I love you guys but I'm

us he said I love you guys but I'm
spending a ton of money and I I need a

spending a ton of money and I I need a

spending a ton of money and I I need a
hit I don't think they were fans of the

hit I don't think they were fans of the

hit I don't think they were fans of the
big monster CBS building cuz we kept

big monster CBS building cuz we kept

big monster CBS building cuz we kept
saying singles singles singles obviously

saying singles singles singles obviously

saying singles singles singles obviously
we all wanted to be a commercial

we all wanted to be a commercial

we all wanted to be a commercial
success but I don't remember Carrie or

success but I don't remember Carrie or

success but I don't remember Carrie or
or me either one of us

or me either one of us

or me either one of us
thinking we had to sit down and write a

thinking we had to sit down and write a

thinking we had to sit down and write a
single we're growing but kersner still

single we're growing but kersner still

single we're growing but kersner still
still bleeding money big time now we're

still bleeding money big time now we're

still bleeding money big time now we're
starting to get close to him almost a

starting to get close to him almost a

starting to get close to him almost a
million dollar down yeah Donnie

million dollar down yeah Donnie

million dollar down yeah Donnie
supported him the way artists needed to

supported him the way artists needed to

supported him the way artists needed to
be supported you had tour support in

be supported you had tour support in

be supported you had tour support in
those days marketing a word that still

those days marketing a word that still

those days marketing a word that still
is the most important thing you can do

is the most important thing you can do

is the most important thing you can do
in the music business and he believed in

in the music business and he believed in

in the music business and he believed in
them and that's what's wrong with the

them and that's what's wrong with the

them and that's what's wrong with the
business right now today if you believe

business right now today if you believe

business right now today if you believe
in it support it financially support it

in it support it financially support it

in it support it financially support it
go after it and try and make it happen

go after it and try and make it happen

go after it and try and make it happen
Don kersner is a man who obviously

Don kersner is a man who obviously

Don kersner is a man who obviously
defines the brill building era and a key

defines the brill building era and a key

defines the brill building era and a key
figure but with all due respect this was

figure but with all due respect this was

figure but with all due respect this was
a guy who thought the monkeys were

a guy who thought the monkeys were

a guy who thought the monkeys were
getting too Progressive and yet Kansas

getting too Progressive and yet Kansas

getting too Progressive and yet Kansas
within his label and his framework were

within his label and his framework were

within his label and his framework were
able to push boundaries we got a lot of

able to push boundaries we got a lot of

able to push boundaries we got a lot of
college AirPlay in those days there were

college AirPlay in those days there were

college AirPlay in those days there were
lots of college stations that could play

lots of college stations that could play

lots of college stations that could play
a 10minute track like song for America

a 10minute track like song for America

a 10minute track like song for America
and they did when that album was

and they did when that album was

and they did when that album was
released we had all the fan base that

released we had all the fan base that

released we had all the fan base that
the first album had done more

the first album had done more

the first album had done more
importantly all the touring fan base of

importantly all the touring fan base of

importantly all the touring fan base of
the people who didn't even know who we

the people who didn't even know who we

the people who didn't even know who we
were now it's 1975 and we're touring

were now it's 1975 and we're touring

were now it's 1975 and we're touring
like Mad Men I mean we are never home

like Mad Men I mean we are never home

like Mad Men I mean we are never home
we're doing like probably 270 280 dates

we're doing like probably 270 280 dates

we're doing like probably 270 280 dates
we're out there non-stop if we're not

we're out there non-stop if we're not

we're out there non-stop if we're not
opening for somebody we're headlining a

opening for somebody we're headlining a

opening for somebody we're headlining a
club once again and we were beating the

club once again and we were beating the

club once again and we were beating the
road to death do an album do a tour do

road to death do an album do a tour do

road to death do an album do a tour do
an album do a tour everybody from

an album do a tour everybody from

an album do a tour everybody from
Chicago to zezy

Chicago to zezy

Chicago to zezy
top one of the things that's interesting

top one of the things that's interesting

top one of the things that's interesting
about looking back as we are since this

about looking back as we are since this

about looking back as we are since this
is a lot of looking back is to think

is a lot of looking back is to think

is a lot of looking back is to think
about the funny things that happened to

about the funny things that happened to

about the funny things that happened to
us on the road one thing that we has

us on the road one thing that we has

us on the road one thing that we has
always really stuck out to us is the

always really stuck out to us is the

always really stuck out to us is the
respect or lack of respect that we got

respect or lack of respect that we got

respect or lack of respect that we got
from our peers the other bands that we

from our peers the other bands that we

from our peers the other bands that we
worked with I don't want to include the

worked with I don't want to include the

worked with I don't want to include the
band in this but there was one

band in this but there was one

band in this but there was one
particular person named Mr Steven Tyler

particular person named Mr Steven Tyler

particular person named Mr Steven Tyler
who by the way we think is a great

who by the way we think is a great

who by the way we think is a great
singer and a great performer at the time

singer and a great performer at the time

singer and a great performer at the time
Steven did not appreciate opening bands

Steven did not appreciate opening bands

Steven did not appreciate opening bands
doing better than Aerosmith we knew that

doing better than Aerosmith we knew that

doing better than Aerosmith we knew that
he personally had a history of pulling

he personally had a history of pulling

he personally had a history of pulling
the plug on on opening acts if they were

the plug on on opening acts if they were

the plug on on opening acts if they were
going over too good or they were going

going over too good or they were going

going over too good or they were going
too long watch out for Steven Tyler he

too long watch out for Steven Tyler he

too long watch out for Steven Tyler he
will try to sabotage your gig but our

will try to sabotage your gig but our

will try to sabotage your gig but our
production manager Jerry G called me out

production manager Jerry G called me out

production manager Jerry G called me out
on the stage and he said just so this

on the stage and he said just so this

on the stage and he said just so this
doesn't happen I've run all our power to

doesn't happen I've run all our power to

doesn't happen I've run all our power to
another side of the stage all those

another side of the stage all those

another side of the stage all those
extension cords are dummies Steven Tyler

extension cords are dummies Steven Tyler

extension cords are dummies Steven Tyler
didn't know where the AC with the

didn't know where the AC with the

didn't know where the AC with the
electricity was actually coming from so

electricity was actually coming from so

electricity was actually coming from so
if he comes out and tries to unplug us

if he comes out and tries to unplug us

if he comes out and tries to unplug us
he's not going to be able to do it and

he's not going to be able to do it and

he's not going to be able to do it and
when we got to Witchita

when we got to Witchita

when we got to Witchita
Kansas we were in Kansas and the crowd

Kansas we were in Kansas and the crowd

Kansas we were in Kansas and the crowd
just erupted you know it was our our

just erupted you know it was our our

just erupted you know it was our our
hometown crowd it was a great gig it was

hometown crowd it was a great gig it was

hometown crowd it was a great gig it was
going really well um we were done with

going really well um we were done with

going really well um we were done with
our set and they wanted us back for an

our set and they wanted us back for an

our set and they wanted us back for an
encore so I'm up there playing and we're

encore so I'm up there playing and we're

encore so I'm up there playing and we're
doing an encore and we're in Witchita

doing an encore and we're in Witchita

doing an encore and we're in Witchita
Kansas and we are named Kansas and we're

Kansas and we are named Kansas and we're

Kansas and we are named Kansas and we're
killing and Steven Tyler was standing

killing and Steven Tyler was standing

killing and Steven Tyler was standing
off the to the side with his Road

off the to the side with his Road

off the to the side with his Road
manager just pacing back and forth and

manager just pacing back and forth and

manager just pacing back and forth and
all of a sudden I look over during

all of a sudden I look over during

all of a sudden I look over during
Encore and he's standing on the side of

Encore and he's standing on the side of

Encore and he's standing on the side of
the stage and he's having a

the stage and he's having a

the stage and he's having a
tantrum and then we got a second Encore

tantrum and then we got a second Encore

tantrum and then we got a second Encore
and when he realized that the song

and when he realized that the song

and when he realized that the song
wasn't ending he got really mad I don't

wasn't ending he got really mad I don't

wasn't ending he got really mad I don't
know what Steve Steven Tyler's like as a

know what Steve Steven Tyler's like as a

know what Steve Steven Tyler's like as a
person but on that night it was not

person but on that night it was not

person but on that night it was not
pretty he went over and he started

pretty he went over and he started

pretty he went over and he started
pulling plugs out of the out of the wall

pulling plugs out of the out of the wall

pulling plugs out of the out of the wall
he was out of control completely we had

he was out of control completely we had

he was out of control completely we had
no qualms about keeping going because we

no qualms about keeping going because we

no qualms about keeping going because we
knew that what he was unplugging was

knew that what he was unplugging was

knew that what he was unplugging was
literally nothing in rock and roll you

literally nothing in rock and roll you

literally nothing in rock and roll you
know it's hard to imagine a worse sin

know it's hard to imagine a worse sin

know it's hard to imagine a worse sin
than that a a a band member of One band

than that a a a band member of One band

than that a a a band member of One band
unplugging the other one well Dave hope

unplugging the other one well Dave hope

unplugging the other one well Dave hope
our BAS player was a big guy as most of

our BAS player was a big guy as most of

our BAS player was a big guy as most of
the guys are in our band I wasn't quite

the guys are in our band I wasn't quite

the guys are in our band I wasn't quite
as classy then as I am now I put down my

as classy then as I am now I put down my

as classy then as I am now I put down my
Bas and I took after his butt and I

Bas and I took after his butt and I

Bas and I took after his butt and I
remember looking out the dressing room

remember looking out the dressing room

remember looking out the dressing room
and there was Dave hope standing Toe to

and there was Dave hope standing Toe to

and there was Dave hope standing Toe to
Toe with Stephen Tyler basically reading

Toe with Stephen Tyler basically reading

Toe with Stephen Tyler basically reading
him the riot act the other guys in Errol

him the riot act the other guys in Errol

him the riot act the other guys in Errol
Smith came out and said we apologize for

Smith came out and said we apologize for

Smith came out and said we apologize for
him Steven's a very sensitive guy Steven

him Steven's a very sensitive guy Steven

him Steven's a very sensitive guy Steven
who we who we played with later on I

who we who we played with later on I

who we who we played with later on I
mean had a clear understanding that in

mean had a clear understanding that in

mean had a clear understanding that in
in no way was that ever going to happen

in no way was that ever going to happen

in no way was that ever going to happen
again and it and it

again and it and it

again and it and it
didn't we were in dire need of

didn't we were in dire need of

didn't we were in dire need of
management and Bud was always there when

management and Bud was always there when

management and Bud was always there when
I started with them as a manager it was

I started with them as a manager it was

I started with them as a manager it was
the the second album song for America

the the second album song for America

the the second album song for America
and took the experience that i' had as

and took the experience that i' had as

and took the experience that i' had as
an agent working with managers and and

an agent working with managers and and

an agent working with managers and and
started to try and learn I mean I knew

started to try and learn I mean I knew

started to try and learn I mean I knew
what good managers didn't and I knew

what good managers didn't and I knew

what good managers didn't and I knew
what bad managers didn't do now we've

what bad managers didn't do now we've

what bad managers didn't do now we've
got a guy on our team that is is giving

got a guy on our team that is is giving

got a guy on our team that is is giving
us the opportunity to do what we do

us the opportunity to do what we do

us the opportunity to do what we do
while he is in the trenches just kicking

while he is in the trenches just kicking

while he is in the trenches just kicking
butt he really believed in us and

butt he really believed in us and

butt he really believed in us and
spearheaded our whole career from then

spearheaded our whole career from then

spearheaded our whole career from then
on keep building building building the

on keep building building building the

on keep building building building the
momentum Kansas is one of the most

momentum Kansas is one of the most

momentum Kansas is one of the most
respected new musical groups in America

respected new musical groups in America

respected new musical groups in America
and their records are produced by Jeff

and their records are produced by Jeff

and their records are produced by Jeff
Glickman here are the members of Kansas

Glickman here are the members of Kansas

Glickman here are the members of Kansas
car livgren in addition to playing

car livgren in addition to playing

car livgren in addition to playing
leading rhythm guitar piano organ and

leading rhythm guitar piano organ and

leading rhythm guitar piano organ and
synthesizer composes much of what the

synthesizer composes much of what the

synthesizer composes much of what the
group performs and adds his voice to

group performs and adds his voice to

group performs and adds his voice to
some of the harmony vocal Parts Dave

some of the harmony vocal Parts Dave

some of the harmony vocal Parts Dave
Hope plays the bass for Kansas and lends

Hope plays the bass for Kansas and lends

Hope plays the bass for Kansas and lends
his voice to some of the harmonies and

his voice to some of the harmonies and

his voice to some of the harmonies and
some of the groups Arrangements Phil

some of the groups Arrangements Phil

some of the groups Arrangements Phil
aart started playing drums in the second

aart started playing drums in the second

aart started playing drums in the second
grade in Corville Kansas where he was

grade in Corville Kansas where he was

grade in Corville Kansas where he was
born he got a chance to see the world

born he got a chance to see the world

born he got a chance to see the world
early on in life and picked up

early on in life and picked up

early on in life and picked up
experience playing with groups in

experience playing with groups in

experience playing with groups in
England Robbie steinhardt has been

England Robbie steinhardt has been

England Robbie steinhardt has been
studying violin for 15 years and his

studying violin for 15 years and his

studying violin for 15 years and his
classical training serves him well in

classical training serves him well in

classical training serves him well in
his intense and driving solos Robbie

his intense and driving solos Robbie

his intense and driving solos Robbie
also shares the lead vocal ches Rich

also shares the lead vocal ches Rich

also shares the lead vocal ches Rich
Williams employs solid music ship his

Williams employs solid music ship his

Williams employs solid music ship his
size big his hair very red and his

size big his hair very red and his

size big his hair very red and his
unbearing style of dress overalls is no

unbearing style of dress overalls is no

unbearing style of dress overalls is no
small factor in the total sound and look

small factor in the total sound and look

small factor in the total sound and look
of the band Steve Walsh he walked into a

of the band Steve Walsh he walked into a

of the band Steve Walsh he walked into a
Kansas rehearsal and said I want to

Kansas rehearsal and said I want to

Kansas rehearsal and said I want to
audition for your band his perfect

audition for your band his perfect

audition for your band his perfect
intonation incredible range and depth of

intonation incredible range and depth of

intonation incredible range and depth of
feeling got him a gig on his spot that's

feeling got him a gig on his spot that's

feeling got him a gig on his spot that's
Kansas six musicians whose lives are

Kansas six musicians whose lives are

Kansas six musicians whose lives are
wrapped up in the music they compose

wrapped up in the music they compose

wrapped up in the music they compose
arrange and

arrange and

arrange and
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play

play

play
I will rise and stay to me the

I will rise and stay to me the

I will rise and stay to me the
door so

door so

door so
high so

high so

high so
high I climb the mountains of the

high I climb the mountains of the

high I climb the mountains of the
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sky without my wi to know I should

sky without my wi to know I should

sky without my wi to know I should
be I found my freedom

be I found my freedom

be I found my freedom
High I the mountains so

we came home just long enough for Carrie

we came home just long enough for Carrie
and Steve to write mask when it came

and Steve to write mask when it came

and Steve to write mask when it came
time for the third album we had kind of

time for the third album we had kind of

time for the third album we had kind of
a minor crisis in the band we Steve and

a minor crisis in the band we Steve and

a minor crisis in the band we Steve and
I kind of did this with the chaos and

I kind of did this with the chaos and

I kind of did this with the chaos and
the pressure and the relationship of

the pressure and the relationship of

the pressure and the relationship of
that you have with your song it's like

that you have with your song it's like

that you have with your song it's like
your baby so whenever he would bring in

your baby so whenever he would bring in

your baby so whenever he would bring in
a song a whole song and I would try to

a song a whole song and I would try to

a song a whole song and I would try to
say well what do you think if if this

say well what do you think if if this

say well what do you think if if this
came about or that came about I think

came about or that came about I think

came about or that came about I think
both of us kind of uh had the same uh

both of us kind of uh had the same uh

both of us kind of uh had the same uh
feeling about hey you know this is this

feeling about hey you know this is this

feeling about hey you know this is this
is something that I've worked out for a

is something that I've worked out for a

is something that I've worked out for a
while I want to hear it this way and

while I want to hear it this way and

while I want to hear it this way and
Steve went more for just rock and roll

Steve went more for just rock and roll

Steve went more for just rock and roll
and I got more

and I got more

and I got more
Progressive more of the the classical if

Progressive more of the the classical if

Progressive more of the the classical if
you will kind of a competition really

you will kind of a competition really

you will kind of a competition really
for a while with Carrie and I writing

for a while with Carrie and I writing

for a while with Carrie and I writing
songs a lot of the songs I wrote for for

songs a lot of the songs I wrote for for

songs a lot of the songs I wrote for for
Kansas they were really written for the

Kansas they were really written for the

Kansas they were really written for the
wrong reason a few of them were

wrong reason a few of them were

wrong reason a few of them were
heartfelt and a few of them I'm proud of

heartfelt and a few of them I'm proud of

heartfelt and a few of them I'm proud of
but not very many it was car's songs

but not very many it was car's songs

but not very many it was car's songs
that really came through as the

that really came through as the

that really came through as the
fingerprint for the band so we're coming

fingerprint for the band so we're coming

fingerprint for the band so we're coming
up with all these songs they're sounding

up with all these songs they're sounding

up with all these songs they're sounding
great and we're just we're hitting it

great and we're just we're hitting it

great and we're just we're hitting it
really hard and Jeff glixman walks in he

really hard and Jeff glixman walks in he

really hard and Jeff glixman walks in he
said I got a place we can go

said I got a place we can go

said I got a place we can go
record so we're thinking La New York he

record so we're thinking La New York he

record so we're thinking La New York he
said Bal Louisiana I thought it would be

said Bal Louisiana I thought it would be

said Bal Louisiana I thought it would be
a good place to continue our us against

a good place to continue our us against

a good place to continue our us against
the world we're just a bunch of

the world we're just a bunch of

the world we're just a bunch of
long-haired guys from Kansas uh kind of

long-haired guys from Kansas uh kind of

long-haired guys from Kansas uh kind of
mentality and get down to work so we

mentality and get down to work so we

mentality and get down to work so we
headed to New Orleans to record mask and

headed to New Orleans to record mask and

headed to New Orleans to record mask and
even though we were kind of country boys

even though we were kind of country boys

even though we were kind of country boys
we' never really been in this kind of

we' never really been in this kind of

we' never really been in this kind of
country so when it said studio in the

country so when it said studio in the

country so when it said studio in the
country they were not kidding and we

country they were not kidding and we

country they were not kidding and we
really were way out in the middle of

really were way out in the middle of

really were way out in the middle of
nowhere God it was deafening hearing

nowhere God it was deafening hearing

nowhere God it was deafening hearing
these uh bugs ch and and uh mosquito is

these uh bugs ch and and uh mosquito is

these uh bugs ch and and uh mosquito is
the the size of of your your your whole

the the size of of your your your whole

the the size of of your your your whole
Palm you were truly in the bio recording

Palm you were truly in the bio recording

Palm you were truly in the bio recording
in baloa at Studio in the country was

in baloa at Studio in the country was

in baloa at Studio in the country was
one of the best experiences in my whole

one of the best experiences in my whole

one of the best experiences in my whole
career because of the studio the quality

career because of the studio the quality

career because of the studio the quality
of that studio was above all

of that studio was above all

of that studio was above all
state-of-the-art the finest control room

state-of-the-art the finest control room

state-of-the-art the finest control room
I've ever been in personally we found

I've ever been in personally we found

I've ever been in personally we found
something that worked was going

something that worked was going

something that worked was going
somewhere for the gear for the location

somewhere for the gear for the location

somewhere for the gear for the location
for the

for the

for the
isolation rather than because it's close

isolation rather than because it's close

isolation rather than because it's close
to a lot of great restaurants no

to a lot of great restaurants no

to a lot of great restaurants no
distractions everyone was very nice very

distractions everyone was very nice very

distractions everyone was very nice very
attentive to the band we had it 24 hours

attentive to the band we had it 24 hours

attentive to the band we had it 24 hours
a

a

a
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day on the wings of

day on the wings of
dawn here I live and die with my wings

dawn here I live and die with my wings

dawn here I live and die with my wings
in the sky and I I won't come down no

in the sky and I I won't come down no

in the sky and I I won't come down no
more

then the album came out and it was

then the album came out and it was
really it was more of the same the album

really it was more of the same the album

really it was more of the same the album
sales at that point were a couple

sales at that point were a couple

sales at that point were a couple
hundred, albums that's pretty good U but

hundred, albums that's pretty good U but

hundred, albums that's pretty good U but
still no magic there wasn't a real good

still no magic there wasn't a real good

still no magic there wasn't a real good
record company reaction but there wasn't

record company reaction but there wasn't

record company reaction but there wasn't
like a negative reaction like like oh

like a negative reaction like like oh

like a negative reaction like like oh
man we don't like the band it was more

man we don't like the band it was more

man we don't like the band it was more
like we know these guys are going to

like we know these guys are going to

like we know these guys are going to
develop a 95 mph slider that no

develop a 95 mph slider that no

develop a 95 mph slider that no
left-hander in the world can hit but

left-hander in the world can hit but

left-hander in the world can hit but
it's just not there yet we were one rung

it's just not there yet we were one rung

it's just not there yet we were one rung
further up a little bit better touring a

further up a little bit better touring a

further up a little bit better touring a
little bit better more people were

little bit better more people were

little bit better more people were
starting to recognize Kansas they

starting to recognize Kansas they

starting to recognize Kansas they
weren't all the all the time shouting

weren't all the all the time shouting

weren't all the all the time shouting
queen

queen

queen
queen I stood no man

queen I stood no man

queen I stood no man
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go

Dem with glory and

Dem with glory and
passion no longer in fashion Theo

passion no longer in fashion Theo

passion no longer in fashion Theo
breaks mask had just come out we

breaks mask had just come out we

breaks mask had just come out we
freaking love that album and for

freaking love that album and for

freaking love that album and for
whatever reason may have been the cover

whatever reason may have been the cover

whatever reason may have been the cover
or we I think I just seen them for the

or we I think I just seen them for the

or we I think I just seen them for the
first time at the fox in Atlanta and it

first time at the fox in Atlanta and it

first time at the fox in Atlanta and it
was Queen and Kansas opening and we were

was Queen and Kansas opening and we were

was Queen and Kansas opening and we were
my buddies and I we we you know we got

my buddies and I we we you know we got

my buddies and I we we you know we got
tickets early we're sitting about the

tickets early we're sitting about the

tickets early we're sitting about the
12th row and we were so stoked and it

12th row and we were so stoked and it

12th row and we were so stoked and it
was great it was awesome we knew all the

was great it was awesome we knew all the

was great it was awesome we knew all the
Kansas songs and the crowd dug it it was

Kansas songs and the crowd dug it it was

Kansas songs and the crowd dug it it was
big I mean they they went over big

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they were beginning to appreciate us for

they were beginning to appreciate us for

they were beginning to appreciate us for
who we

who we

who we
were but we really needed that hit

were but we really needed that hit

were but we really needed that hit
single as much as I hated to admit

single as much as I hated to admit

single as much as I hated to admit
that we needed that to put us over the

that we needed that to put us over the

that we needed that to put us over the
top kersner still still bleeding money

top kersner still still bleeding money

top kersner still still bleeding money
big time and uh bless his heart he hung

big time and uh bless his heart he hung

big time and uh bless his heart he hung
in there with us and uh he said let's go

in there with us and uh he said let's go

in there with us and uh he said let's go
with another record I call left Overture

with another record I call left Overture

with another record I call left Overture
the pressure album and that pressure

the pressure album and that pressure

the pressure album and that pressure
fell on me it didn't fall on the band

fell on me it didn't fall on the band

fell on me it didn't fall on the band
necessarily it it should have really but

necessarily it it should have really but

necessarily it it should have really but
it it but the reason it fell on me for

it it but the reason it fell on me for

it it but the reason it fell on me for
some reason Steve just dried up as a

some reason Steve just dried up as a

some reason Steve just dried up as a
writer we came to that first rehearsal

writer we came to that first rehearsal

writer we came to that first rehearsal
and we said hey Steve what do you got

and we said hey Steve what do you got

and we said hey Steve what do you got
says I haven't got

says I haven't got

says I haven't got
anything what you don't have any songs

anything what you don't have any songs

anything what you don't have any songs
and I've I've got two we got what are we

and I've I've got two we got what are we

and I've I've got two we got what are we
going to

going to

going to
do so I went home that night after

do so I went home that night after

do so I went home that night after
learning the first two songs and I had

learning the first two songs and I had

learning the first two songs and I had
to write the third song so I wrote it

to write the third song so I wrote it

to write the third song so I wrote it
and came to rehearsal the next day and

and came to rehearsal the next day and

and came to rehearsal the next day and
we learned the third one let's learn

we learned the third one let's learn

we learned the third one let's learn
this part then take about an hour to

this part then take about an hour to

this part then take about an hour to
just show a segment of about 2 minutes

just show a segment of about 2 minutes

just show a segment of about 2 minutes
and we go is that the beginning or or

and we go is that the beginning or or

and we go is that the beginning or or
you know of a song is that what song you

you know of a song is that what song you

you know of a song is that what song you
write he goes I don't know it just came

write he goes I don't know it just came

write he goes I don't know it just came
to me last night that's very deep to uh

to me last night that's very deep to uh

to me last night that's very deep to uh
have a an outline of so many parts in

have a an outline of so many parts in

have a an outline of so many parts in
your

your

your
head without the the means to actually

head without the the means to actually

head without the the means to actually
transcribe them you know to write them

transcribe them you know to write them

transcribe them you know to write them
down or to hear them sitting in during

down or to hear them sitting in during

down or to hear them sitting in during
leftoverture and having him walk in

leftoverture and having him walk in

leftoverture and having him walk in
every day it was so exciting cuz we just

every day it was so exciting cuz we just

every day it was so exciting cuz we just
go this is going to be awesome Here

go this is going to be awesome Here

go this is going to be awesome Here
Comes Carrie what's you got today you

Comes Carrie what's you got today you

Comes Carrie what's you got today you
know oh there's a song I have called the

know oh there's a song I have called the

know oh there's a song I have called the
wall God we're just going when did you

wall God we're just going when did you

wall God we're just going when did you
write this well I kind of threw it

write this well I kind of threw it

write this well I kind of threw it
together last night it's like

together last night it's like

together last night it's like
seriously fanty I things I see the path

seriously fanty I things I see the path

seriously fanty I things I see the path
that I have chosen now has led me to a

that I have chosen now has led me to a

that I have chosen now has led me to a
wall and with each passing day I feel a

wall and with each passing day I feel a

wall and with each passing day I feel a
little more like something dear was lost

little more like something dear was lost

little more like something dear was lost
it rises now before me a dark and Silent

it rises now before me a dark and Silent

it rises now before me a dark and Silent
barrier between a lot of times when you

barrier between a lot of times when you

barrier between a lot of times when you
get into a Groove and you're riding and

get into a Groove and you're riding and

get into a Groove and you're riding and
and there's pressure and you're hearing

and there's pressure and you're hearing

and there's pressure and you're hearing
and being inspired a lot of times

and being inspired a lot of times

and being inspired a lot of times
that'll bring out other stuff from you

that'll bring out other stuff from you

that'll bring out other stuff from you
and that's the way it was with Carrie

and that's the way it was with Carrie

and that's the way it was with Carrie
when he got on a role it was it was good

when he got on a role it was it was good

when he got on a role it was it was good
the Lord came through he blessed me on

the Lord came through he blessed me on

the Lord came through he blessed me on
that and I wrote song after song after

that and I wrote song after song after

that and I wrote song after song after
Song Carrie was developing to the point

Song Carrie was developing to the point

Song Carrie was developing to the point
that he was really becoming a master the

that he was really becoming a master the

that he was really becoming a master the
songwriting craft they were starting to

songwriting craft they were starting to

songwriting craft they were starting to
flow out of him I mean this thing's

flow out of him I mean this thing's

flow out of him I mean this thing's
called Miracles out of nowhere to me one

called Miracles out of nowhere to me one

called Miracles out of nowhere to me one
of the Miracles is car's Evolution as a

of the Miracles is car's Evolution as a

of the Miracles is car's Evolution as a
songwriter you never sense this sense of

songwriter you never sense this sense of

songwriter you never sense this sense of
musical genius which he truly was and is

musical genius which he truly was and is

musical genius which he truly was and is
you just don't sense it because you're

you just don't sense it because you're

you just don't sense it because you're
sitting there eating a

sitting there eating a

sitting there eating a
hamburger here I am just waiting for a

hamburger here I am just waiting for a

hamburger here I am just waiting for a
sign asking questions learning all the

sign asking questions learning all the

sign asking questions learning all the
time it's always here it's always there

time it's always here it's always there

time it's always here it's always there
it's just all the Miracles out of

it's just all the Miracles out of

it's just all the Miracles out of
nowhere we've rehearsed left over we've

nowhere we've rehearsed left over we've

nowhere we've rehearsed left over we've
got it all we've got all the songs done

got it all we've got all the songs done

got it all we've got all the songs done
we're packing up our gear I mean I

we're packing up our gear I mean I

we're packing up our gear I mean I
remember I was breaking down my drum set

remember I was breaking down my drum set

remember I was breaking down my drum set
and he walks over and he goes hey man uh

and he walks over and he goes hey man uh

and he walks over and he goes hey man uh
I've got another song then night before

I've got another song then night before

I've got another song then night before
of the the last day of rehearsal I went

of the the last day of rehearsal I went

of the the last day of rehearsal I went
home and I wrote the song called carry

home and I wrote the song called carry

home and I wrote the song called carry
on my wered son I just sat down with a

on my wered son I just sat down with a

on my wered son I just sat down with a
guitar and out it

guitar and out it

guitar and out it
came and one note led to the next note

came and one note led to the next note

came and one note led to the next note
we got down to the studio and Carrie

we got down to the studio and Carrie

we got down to the studio and Carrie
presented that song and it was magic it

presented that song and it was magic it

presented that song and it was magic it
was magic from the word go it just had a

was magic from the word go it just had a

was magic from the word go it just had a
magical feel about it we knew something

magical feel about it we knew something

magical feel about it we knew something
was different about this Al not only is

was different about this Al not only is

was different about this Al not only is
it the miracle of him developing at the

it the miracle of him developing at the

it the miracle of him developing at the
song as the songwriter that no one even

song as the songwriter that no one even

song as the songwriter that no one even
knows where it's coming from but at the

knows where it's coming from but at the

knows where it's coming from but at the
last minute he brings the first Breakout

last minute he brings the first Breakout

last minute he brings the first Breakout
song that we've been

song that we've been

song that we've been
needing I've never known how that

needing I've never known how that

needing I've never known how that
happened it it just beams in waywards

happened it it just beams in waywards

happened it it just beams in waywards
son was was special it was you know was

son was was special it was you know was

son was was special it was you know was
very unique and it brought all of the

very unique and it brought all of the

very unique and it brought all of the
elements

elements

elements
in that we needed and we sat back and

in that we needed and we sat back and

in that we needed and we sat back and
listened to that

listened to that

listened to that
first chorus and we look just looked at

first chorus and we look just looked at

first chorus and we look just looked at
each other thought this is this is

each other thought this is this is

each other thought this is this is
another order of magnitude of everything

another order of magnitude of everything

another order of magnitude of everything
we've ever ever

we've ever ever

we've ever ever
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had

C so I called Don Kushner cranked the

C so I called Don Kushner cranked the
thing up opened the telephone play him

thing up opened the telephone play him

thing up opened the telephone play him
about the opening of the song and and I

about the opening of the song and and I

about the opening of the song and and I
could hear him talking in the phone

could hear him talking in the phone

could hear him talking in the phone
already he says I love it I just love it

already he says I love it I just love it

already he says I love it I just love it
when Jeff came into my

when Jeff came into my

when Jeff came into my
office uh he at had an open door policy

office uh he at had an open door policy

office uh he at had an open door policy
all producers did I hear Carry On

all producers did I hear Carry On

all producers did I hear Carry On
Wayward Son you know and I'm going wait

Wayward Son you know and I'm going wait

Wayward Son you know and I'm going wait
a

a

a
second pulled in the promotion

second pulled in the promotion

second pulled in the promotion
staff into my office you must have

staff into my office you must have

staff into my office you must have
played that about 10 times well you've

played that about 10 times well you've

played that about 10 times well you've
got yourself your first H single I think

got yourself your first H single I think

got yourself your first H single I think
I got a preview I think I heard it

I got a preview I think I heard it

I got a preview I think I heard it
before anyone else did and he said I

before anyone else did and he said I

before anyone else did and he said I
want you to hear this because there's an

want you to hear this because there's an

want you to hear this because there's an
influence there he said you know when we

influence there he said you know when we

influence there he said you know when we
heard um um now I'm here the ri

heard um um now I'm here the ri

heard um um now I'm here the ri
go

go

go
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he says there's a there's a point where

he says there's a there's a point where

he says there's a there's a point where
the Riff swaps over its place in the bar

the Riff swaps over its place in the bar

the Riff swaps over its place in the bar
and he said I was intrigued by that the

and he said I was intrigued by that the

and he said I was intrigued by that the
same way as you were Brian and he said

same way as you were Brian and he said

same way as you were Brian and he said
th this is what we've done with with

th this is what we've done with with

th this is what we've done with with
waywood son I remember Don kishner

waywood son I remember Don kishner

waywood son I remember Don kishner
saying this every note in that song is a

saying this every note in that song is a

saying this every note in that song is a
hook that's hook number

hook that's hook number

hook that's hook number
one that's hook number two it started

one that's hook number two it started

one that's hook number two it started
off with a hook carry on you that that

off with a hook carry on you that that

off with a hook carry on you that that
was the

hooks the everything about it was a hook

hooks the everything about it was a hook
is there a 13-year-old boy on Earth who

is there a 13-year-old boy on Earth who

is there a 13-year-old boy on Earth who
does not either think of themselves as

does not either think of themselves as

does not either think of themselves as
the wayward son or want to be they

the wayward son or want to be they

the wayward son or want to be they
tapped into something Timeless and in

tapped into something Timeless and in

tapped into something Timeless and in
rock and roll you can't ask for much

rock and roll you can't ask for much

rock and roll you can't ask for much
more than that they brought muscle to

more than that they brought muscle to

more than that they brought muscle to
music these guys were were so

music these guys were were so

music these guys were were so
extraordinarily

extraordinarily

extraordinarily
talented that they just seem to be from

talented that they just seem to be from

talented that they just seem to be from
whatever that planet is that brings us

whatever that planet is that brings us

whatever that planet is that brings us
all the the rock gods in our lives we

all the the rock gods in our lives we

all the the rock gods in our lives we
started getting Callins FM you know cuz

started getting Callins FM you know cuz

started getting Callins FM you know cuz
you could call in ask for request

you could call in ask for request

you could call in ask for request
Callins on on carry on it was all over

Callins on on carry on it was all over

Callins on on carry on it was all over
the radio every freaking station in the

the radio every freaking station in the

the radio every freaking station in the
country FM and AM played carry on wward

country FM and AM played carry on wward

country FM and AM played carry on wward
son and that did it that was what put us

son and that did it that was what put us

son and that did it that was what put us
over the top and boom it's the song that

over the top and boom it's the song that

over the top and boom it's the song that
changed our entire lives kqv played it

changed our entire lives kqv played it

changed our entire lives kqv played it
in

in

in
Pittsburgh the minute that happened s

Pittsburgh the minute that happened s

Pittsburgh the minute that happened s
Solomon the promotion man wrote in his

Solomon the promotion man wrote in his

Solomon the promotion man wrote in his
report I went into the radio station I

report I went into the radio station I

report I went into the radio station I
handed him the record and it exploded

handed him the record and it exploded

handed him the record and it exploded
the record came out and was gold within

the record came out and was gold within

the record came out and was gold within
4 weeks 3 weeks later it was platinum

4 weeks 3 weeks later it was platinum

4 weeks 3 weeks later it was platinum
and it was just soaring took us from

and it was just soaring took us from

and it was just soaring took us from
being an opening band to a headliner

being an opening band to a headliner

being an opening band to a headliner
around the world after left over came

around the world after left over came

around the world after left over came
out after playing him in many other

out after playing him in many other

out after playing him in many other
Market in and around the Pittsburgh area

Market in and around the Pittsburgh area

Market in and around the Pittsburgh area
I take him to the Civic Arena and we do

I take him to the Civic Arena and we do

I take him to the Civic Arena and we do
two nights breaking Alis Presley's

two nights breaking Alis Presley's

two nights breaking Alis Presley's
record of 30,000

record of 30,000

record of 30,000
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people press lady in New York Susan

people press lady in New York Susan
blonde said so we got to throw a party

blonde said so we got to throw a party

blonde said so we got to throw a party
we can do something really special the

we can do something really special the

we can do something really special the
guys will all come in

guys will all come in

guys will all come in
tuxedos

tuxedos

tuxedos
Kansas H Wizard of Oz you're not in

Kansas H Wizard of Oz you're not in

Kansas H Wizard of Oz you're not in
Kansas anymore she actually found Little

Kansas anymore she actually found Little

Kansas anymore she actually found Little
People the actors who were still alive

People the actors who were still alive

People the actors who were still alive
who were in The Wizard of Oz I said and

who were in The Wizard of Oz I said and

who were in The Wizard of Oz I said and
they could throw pedals in the air going

they could throw pedals in the air going

they could throw pedals in the air going
Kansas they say is the name of the

Kansas they say is the name of the

Kansas they say is the name of the
star yep I did that the thing that I

star yep I did that the thing that I

star yep I did that the thing that I
remember most about our Platinum party

remember most about our Platinum party

remember most about our Platinum party
was when we got there all the food was

was when we got there all the food was

was when we got there all the food was
gone and like here we are we're this

gone and like here we are we're this

gone and like here we are we're this
we're the big rock stars coming in to

we're the big rock stars coming in to

we're the big rock stars coming in to
have a platinum party we sold a million

have a platinum party we sold a million

have a platinum party we sold a million
records you know and then there's a

records you know and then there's a

records you know and then there's a
think there's a chicken wing left over

think there's a chicken wing left over

think there's a chicken wing left over
there and there's like a couple of

there and there's like a couple of

there and there's like a couple of
chocolate chip cookies in this corner

chocolate chip cookies in this corner

chocolate chip cookies in this corner
and and so meanwhile all these New York

and and so meanwhile all these New York

and and so meanwhile all these New York
people had eatting all our food the

people had eatting all our food the

people had eatting all our food the
record label those guys went crazy for

record label those guys went crazy for

record label those guys went crazy for
the leftover drone I just couldn't

the leftover drone I just couldn't

the leftover drone I just couldn't
believe that these guys had put together

believe that these guys had put together

believe that these guys had put together
an album that was as powerful as it was

an album that was as powerful as it was

an album that was as powerful as it was
musically but also had a potential and

musically but also had a potential and

musically but also had a potential and
from that moment

from that moment

from that moment
on Don kersner recouped his over $1

on Don kersner recouped his over $1

on Don kersner recouped his over $1
million and he got all money back and

million and he got all money back and

million and he got all money back and
and of course he had all our publishing

and of course he had all our publishing

and of course he had all our publishing
so K Ching he risked all that investment

so K Ching he risked all that investment

so K Ching he risked all that investment
and all that time believing in us the

and all that time believing in us the

and all that time believing in us the
pressures he must have had from the

pressures he must have had from the

pressures he must have had from the
record company at CBS going Don you're

record company at CBS going Don you're

record company at CBS going Don you're
insane these guys are never going to

insane these guys are never going to

insane these guys are never going to
have a hit can you imagine him walking

have a hit can you imagine him walking

have a hit can you imagine him walking
back into CBS going Kansas top five hit

back into CBS going Kansas top five hit

back into CBS going Kansas top five hit
we went to headline status plus we're

we went to headline status plus we're

we went to headline status plus we're
not opening for people anymore we're

not opening for people anymore we're

not opening for people anymore we're
head headlining on our own we're making

head headlining on our own we're making

head headlining on our own we're making
a lot of money so now we have buses and

a lot of money so now we have buses and

a lot of money so now we have buses and
we have trucks and production and our

we have trucks and production and our

we have trucks and production and our
crew of three is now 15 and entourages

crew of three is now 15 and entourages

crew of three is now 15 and entourages
and people and managers and record

and people and managers and record

and people and managers and record
company people are actually coming to

company people are actually coming to

company people are actually coming to
the gigs was before we'd invite him they

the gigs was before we'd invite him they

the gigs was before we'd invite him they
go sorry man I'm busy with the Ramones

go sorry man I'm busy with the Ramones

go sorry man I'm busy with the Ramones
or something you know now you know

or something you know now you know

or something you know now you know
they're coming to Kansas gigs and for

they're coming to Kansas gigs and for

they're coming to Kansas gigs and for
the first time we were a little bit cool

the first time we were a little bit cool

the first time we were a little bit cool
just just a little bit cool

just just a little bit cool

just just a little bit cool
Steve had eclipsed Robbie as a vocalist

Steve had eclipsed Robbie as a vocalist

Steve had eclipsed Robbie as a vocalist
Steve used to just sit behind his organ

Steve used to just sit behind his organ

Steve used to just sit behind his organ
he began to come out and be the lead

he began to come out and be the lead

he began to come out and be the lead
singer of

singer of

singer of
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Kansas the event of the season and if I

Kansas the event of the season and if I

Kansas the event of the season and if I
claim to be a wise

claim to be a wise

claim to be a wise
man it me

man it me

man it me
another the stor see a moving

another the stor see a moving

another the stor see a moving
emotion I'm like a ship on the ocean I

emotion I'm like a ship on the ocean I

emotion I'm like a ship on the ocean I
soss

forun I hear thees

forun I hear thees
say on

say on

say on
my there'll be peace when you

my there'll be peace when you

my there'll be peace when you
are make you're we have to rest don't

are make you're we have to rest don't

are make you're we have to rest don't
you cry no

more no I started stepping out a little

more no I started stepping out a little
bit more and trying to deliver it it a

bit more and trying to deliver it it a

bit more and trying to deliver it it a
little bit more Steve's gone through a

little bit more Steve's gone through a

little bit more Steve's gone through a
lot of changes in my life and uh I never

lot of changes in my life and uh I never

lot of changes in my life and uh I never
was really surprised I mean I maybe a

was really surprised I mean I maybe a

was really surprised I mean I maybe a
little surprised but never shocked by

little surprised but never shocked by

little surprised but never shocked by
any of them it's like I expected him to

any of them it's like I expected him to

any of them it's like I expected him to
do something different cuz he always

do something different cuz he always

do something different cuz he always
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did it just grew and grew and again the

did it just grew and grew and again the
live performance of this band told them

live performance of this band told them

live performance of this band told them
probably more than radio

probably more than radio

probably more than radio
Kone to the key to everything that moves

Kone to the key to everything that moves

Kone to the key to everything that moves
you in live music rock as that route is

you in live music rock as that route is

you in live music rock as that route is
what makes us all get up Pump our fists

what makes us all get up Pump our fists

what makes us all get up Pump our fists
and feel like we can go home now and

and feel like we can go home now and

and feel like we can go home now and
transfer that energy into whatever we do

transfer that energy into whatever we do

transfer that energy into whatever we do
and be a monster at

and be a monster at

and be a monster at
it left Overture is leaving a huge huge

it left Overture is leaving a huge huge

it left Overture is leaving a huge huge
trail of success all over the world

trail of success all over the world

trail of success all over the world
really you know the groundwork we had

really you know the groundwork we had

really you know the groundwork we had
laid with those other albums now the fan

laid with those other albums now the fan

laid with those other albums now the fan
base was just doubling and

base was just doubling and

base was just doubling and
tripling well finally coming off our

tripling well finally coming off our

tripling well finally coming off our
first headlining tour knowing that this

first headlining tour knowing that this

first headlining tour knowing that this
record had sold you know 2 3 4 million

record had sold you know 2 3 4 million

record had sold you know 2 3 4 million
copies it was time for a new record now

copies it was time for a new record now

copies it was time for a new record now
there's more record company pressure on

there's more record company pressure on

there's more record company pressure on
us to repeat and we start you know

us to repeat and we start you know

us to repeat and we start you know
working on uh point of Noti return album

working on uh point of Noti return album

working on uh point of Noti return album
but it was also

but it was also

but it was also
time to renegotiate our contract with

time to renegotiate our contract with

time to renegotiate our contract with
CBS records in her Bud car this is now a

CBS records in her Bud car this is now a

CBS records in her Bud car this is now a
multiplatinum album band who at that

multiplatinum album band who at that

multiplatinum album band who at that
point owed CBS 10 albums for next to

point owed CBS 10 albums for next to

point owed CBS 10 albums for next to
nothing in royalties and you know

nothing in royalties and you know

nothing in royalties and you know
something could be done I took a page

something could be done I took a page

something could be done I took a page
out of Irving A's offs book who

out of Irving A's offs book who

out of Irving A's offs book who
I admire and went in and just tore up

I admire and went in and just tore up

I admire and went in and just tore up
the contract and said said I know you

the contract and said said I know you

the contract and said said I know you
want another record we're not going to

want another record we're not going to

want another record we're not going to
give it to you we were successful

give it to you we were successful

give it to you we were successful
in in getting an agreement with CBS

in in getting an agreement with CBS

in in getting an agreement with CBS
where they felt good and the band felt

where they felt good and the band felt

where they felt good and the band felt
good now that if we can follow this up

good now that if we can follow this up

good now that if we can follow this up
and make another record like this we're

and make another record like this we're

and make another record like this we're
going to do real well for the first time

going to do real well for the first time

going to do real well for the first time
there was this great expectation there's

there was this great expectation there's

there was this great expectation there's
going to be a hit the record's going to

going to be a hit the record's going to

going to be a hit the record's going to
be bigger than the last one when in no

be bigger than the last one when in no

be bigger than the last one when in no
return it was a title me and Bud car

return it was a title me and Bud car

return it was a title me and Bud car
came up with art director was Tom drenan

came up with art director was Tom drenan

came up with art director was Tom drenan
and the cover art was by Peter Lloyd

and the cover art was by Peter Lloyd

and the cover art was by Peter Lloyd
some sort of object going over

some sort of object going over

some sort of object going over
something that was to the point of no

something that was to the point of no

something that was to the point of no
return started working on the songs and

return started working on the songs and

return started working on the songs and
oh man it was just Carrie and Steve were

oh man it was just Carrie and Steve were

oh man it was just Carrie and Steve were
now on all

now on all

now on all
cylinders

cylinders

cylinders
IDE his name he lived alone with his

IDE his name he lived alone with his

IDE his name he lived alone with his
vision not looking for fortun to

vision not looking for fortun to

vision not looking for fortun to
the album was coming on great uh then

the album was coming on great uh then

the album was coming on great uh then
you know Carrie walks in one day with

you know Carrie walks in one day with

you know Carrie walks in one day with
another song and I I had come up with

another song and I I had come up with

another song and I I had come up with
this finger

this finger

this finger
exercise to learn how to finger

exercise to learn how to finger

exercise to learn how to finger
pick and I used to S I had this little

pick and I used to S I had this little

pick and I used to S I had this little
studio in our what was the dining room

studio in our what was the dining room

studio in our what was the dining room
of our house and my wife Vicki used to

of our house and my wife Vicki used to

of our house and my wife Vicki used to
walk back and forth and she said you

walk back and forth and she said you

walk back and forth and she said you
know you should do something with that

know you should do something with that

know you should do something with that
thing I said no honey this is just an

thing I said no honey this is just an

thing I said no honey this is just an
exercise don't bother me she I'm telling

exercise don't bother me she I'm telling

exercise don't bother me she I'm telling
you you should do something with that I

you you should do something with that I

you you should do something with that I
remember Carrie talking to me on the

remember Carrie talking to me on the

remember Carrie talking to me on the
phone he called me and he said I have a

phone he called me and he said I have a

phone he called me and he said I have a
very different song that I want to play

very different song that I want to play

very different song that I want to play
you guys I sure well what he goes it

you guys I sure well what he goes it

you guys I sure well what he goes it
it's an acoustic

it's an acoustic

it's an acoustic
song I said okay he said no I'm serious

song I said okay he said no I'm serious

song I said okay he said no I'm serious
just good just acoustic guitar there's

just good just acoustic guitar there's

just good just acoustic guitar there's
not going to be any drums nothing so I I

not going to be any drums nothing so I I

not going to be any drums nothing so I I
played it for him and when when the tape

played it for him and when when the tape

played it for him and when when the tape
finished playing there was this kind of

finished playing there was this kind of

finished playing there was this kind of
a stunned silence and I think Dave said

a stunned silence and I think Dave said

a stunned silence and I think Dave said
Carrie where has this been said what you

Carrie where has this been said what you

Carrie where has this been said what you
mean you like it we all knew Dust in the

mean you like it we all knew Dust in the

mean you like it we all knew Dust in the
Wind was going to be a hit we didn't

Wind was going to be a hit we didn't

Wind was going to be a hit we didn't
think it was a hit we just knew it was

think it was a hit we just knew it was

think it was a hit we just knew it was
going to be a hit I close my

going to be a hit I close my

going to be a hit I close my
eyes only for a moment and the moment's

eyes only for a moment and the moment's

eyes only for a moment and the moment's
gone all my

gone all my

gone all my
dreams pass before my eyes are C

osity D in the

osity D in the
wind all we are is D in the

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wind

wind

wind
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oh I mean it was automatic this was a

oh I mean it was automatic this was a

oh I mean it was automatic this was a
band that never agreed on

band that never agreed on

band that never agreed on
anything not on that

song

song
I don't remember if there was any

I don't remember if there was any

I don't remember if there was any
physical contact like hugging or

physical contact like hugging or

physical contact like hugging or
slapping or high-fiving but it was a

slapping or high-fiving but it was a

slapping or high-fiving but it was a
unanimous Carrie that is just Stellar a

unanimous Carrie that is just Stellar a

unanimous Carrie that is just Stellar a
finger exercise turns into Dust in the

finger exercise turns into Dust in the

finger exercise turns into Dust in the
Wind what you know what I mean how you

Wind what you know what I mean how you

Wind what you know what I mean how you
know yeah I'm just going to practice my

know yeah I'm just going to practice my

know yeah I'm just going to practice my
finger picking and you know and his wife

finger picking and you know and his wife

finger picking and you know and his wife
walks by and makes a comment the next

walks by and makes a comment the next

walks by and makes a comment the next
thing we know we have the biggest song

thing we know we have the biggest song

thing we know we have the biggest song
we've ever had in in the history of the

we've ever had in in the history of the

we've ever had in in the history of the
band and not only that that's one of the

band and not only that that's one of the

band and not only that that's one of the
biggest songs

ever there's a lot of songs that were

ever there's a lot of songs that were
sort of pondering reality very few of

sort of pondering reality very few of

sort of pondering reality very few of
them from the' 70s are still being

them from the' 70s are still being

them from the' 70s are still being
played and still being loved and that's

played and still being loved and that's

played and still being loved and that's
because I think there was a sincerity in

because I think there was a sincerity in

because I think there was a sincerity in
Carrie that carries through in the

music the song is so

music the song is so
Magnificent the Simplicity the beauty of

Magnificent the Simplicity the beauty of

Magnificent the Simplicity the beauty of
the song we are DUS wind is just

the song we are DUS wind is just

the song we are DUS wind is just
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beautiful kishner heard that song he

beautiful kishner heard that song he

beautiful kishner heard that song he
finally saw what he had been waiting for

finally saw what he had been waiting for

finally saw what he had been waiting for
all these years not that he didn't

all these years not that he didn't

all these years not that he didn't
didn't like wayward son but he thought

didn't like wayward son but he thought

didn't like wayward son but he thought
this is going to really be something

this is going to really be something

this is going to really be something
when Dustin the wind came along and you

when Dustin the wind came along and you

when Dustin the wind came along and you
heard the first line in the song and

heard the first line in the song and

heard the first line in the song and
then you got to the hook line that was

then you got to the hook line that was

then you got to the hook line that was
about as close to mailing a hit as you

about as close to mailing a hit as you

about as close to mailing a hit as you
could ever have it went across all

could ever have it went across all

could ever have it went across all
formats it was even being played on

formats it was even being played on

formats it was even being played on
country radio

country radio

country radio
rock hit radio a dust was literally

rock hit radio a dust was literally

rock hit radio a dust was literally
played

played

played
everywhere I heard that that whole

everywhere I heard that that whole

everywhere I heard that that whole
opening lick was just finger exercise is

opening lick was just finger exercise is

opening lick was just finger exercise is
what it was which U Joe Walsh Life in

what it was which U Joe Walsh Life in

what it was which U Joe Walsh Life in
the Fast Lane if you ask him Bo it down

the Fast Lane if you ask him Bo it down

the Fast Lane if you ask him Bo it down
it down is just a finger exercise and so

it down is just a finger exercise and so

it down is just a finger exercise and so
I love that those guys of that mindset

I love that those guys of that mindset

I love that those guys of that mindset
that they can just take that stuff and

that they can just take that stuff and

that they can just take that stuff and
turn it into something that that not

turn it into something that that not

turn it into something that that not
only changed individuals it changed the

only changed individuals it changed the

only changed individuals it changed the
world

world

world
what dust did for album sales I don't

what dust did for album sales I don't

what dust did for album sales I don't
think is as important as what it did for

think is as important as what it did for

think is as important as what it did for
the band it put them in a category of

the band it put them in a category of

the band it put them in a category of
some of the most memorable artists in

some of the most memorable artists in

some of the most memorable artists in
history Carrie who seems like someone

history Carrie who seems like someone

history Carrie who seems like someone
for whom music had a deeply spiritual

for whom music had a deeply spiritual

for whom music had a deeply spiritual
meaning all we are is Dustin in the wind

meaning all we are is Dustin in the wind

meaning all we are is Dustin in the wind
it was as good a line of a song is the

it was as good a line of a song is the

it was as good a line of a song is the
answer my friend is blowing in the wind

answer my friend is blowing in the wind

answer my friend is blowing in the wind
that's the way I promoted it I I first

that's the way I promoted it I I first

that's the way I promoted it I I first
heard it I I remember thinking that's

heard it I I remember thinking that's

heard it I I remember thinking that's
good then I heard like any song I heard

good then I heard like any song I heard

good then I heard like any song I heard
everywhere like I'm sick of that song

everywhere like I'm sick of that song

everywhere like I'm sick of that song
kind of sick of Kansas right now which

kind of sick of Kansas right now which

kind of sick of Kansas right now which
if you were Kansas that is a great thing

if you were Kansas that is a great thing

if you were Kansas that is a great thing
the two second test was Put the Needle

the two second test was Put the Needle

the two second test was Put the Needle
on the record 1001 10002 who is that you

on the record 1001 10002 who is that you

on the record 1001 10002 who is that you
could test you on 100 group dead Doris

could test you on 100 group dead Doris

could test you on 100 group dead Doris
choplin Hendrick I mean everything was

choplin Hendrick I mean everything was

choplin Hendrick I mean everything was
identifiable I mean within 2 seconds to

identifiable I mean within 2 seconds to

identifiable I mean within 2 seconds to
this day literally when you hear the

this day literally when you hear the

this day literally when you hear the
first couple notes of it people old

first couple notes of it people old

first couple notes of it people old
young it doesn't matter they they know

young it doesn't matter they they know

young it doesn't matter they they know
that

song is D the

song is D the
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wind record was an immediate hit sold

wind record was an immediate hit sold

wind record was an immediate hit sold
for a million out of the box Dust in the

for a million out of the box Dust in the

for a million out of the box Dust in the
Wind became the second signature song

Wind became the second signature song

Wind became the second signature song
for The Group Kansas

for The Group Kansas

for The Group Kansas
now we're into the big places now we're

now we're into the big places now we're

now we're into the big places now we're
selling out 15 20,000 Cedars two nights

selling out 15 20,000 Cedars two nights

selling out 15 20,000 Cedars two nights
at the Spectrum in Philadelphia you know

at the Spectrum in Philadelphia you know

at the Spectrum in Philadelphia you know
and playing Madison Square Garden sold

and playing Madison Square Garden sold

and playing Madison Square Garden sold
out playing The Forum sold out there's

out playing The Forum sold out there's

out playing The Forum sold out there's
nothing like playing for 70,000 people

nothing like playing for 70,000 people

nothing like playing for 70,000 people
and takes your breath

and takes your breath

and takes your breath
away played the Canada Jam biggest crowd

away played the Canada Jam biggest crowd

away played the Canada Jam biggest crowd
we've ever played for in in Canada

we've ever played for in in Canada

we've ever played for in in Canada
Toronto I think it was there was right

Toronto I think it was there was right

Toronto I think it was there was right
around 120,000 people there

around 120,000 people there

around 120,000 people there
this was not something we ever

this was not something we ever

this was not something we ever
envisioned we envisioned maybe the level

envisioned we envisioned maybe the level

envisioned we envisioned maybe the level
we got to with mask and then we would

we got to with mask and then we would

we got to with mask and then we would
die

out we're just experiencing things that

out we're just experiencing things that
we never could have imagined

we never could have imagined

we never could have imagined
ever we play a gig at the Hammer Smith

ever we play a gig at the Hammer Smith

ever we play a gig at the Hammer Smith
Odon in England and queen comes to see

Odon in England and queen comes to see

Odon in England and queen comes to see
us that's

us that's

us that's
rocking

I think ultimately the reason we're

I think ultimately the reason we're
talking about Kansas in a documentary in

talking about Kansas in a documentary in

talking about Kansas in a documentary in
the 21st century when most bands of that

the 21st century when most bands of that

the 21st century when most bands of that
era are just forgotten is they were

era are just forgotten is they were

era are just forgotten is they were
about the

about the

about the
music people can talk about the Beatles

music people can talk about the Beatles

music people can talk about the Beatles
they can talk about the Eagles talk

they can talk about the Eagles talk

they can talk about the Eagles talk
about all they want put Kansas on that

about all they want put Kansas on that

about all they want put Kansas on that
list for me cuz these guys were not only

list for me cuz these guys were not only

list for me cuz these guys were not only
rock not only only muscle but

rock not only only muscle but

rock not only only muscle but
intelligence and I dug every lick of

intelligence and I dug every lick of

intelligence and I dug every lick of
it I think this is why we and Kansas hid

it I think this is why we and Kansas hid

it I think this is why we and Kansas hid
it off so easily you know we had similar

it off so easily you know we had similar

it off so easily you know we had similar
kind of dreams we had kind of Visions in

kind of dreams we had kind of Visions in

kind of dreams we had kind of Visions in
our head of what we wanted to sound like

our head of what we wanted to sound like

our head of what we wanted to sound like
and what we wanted to how we wanted to

and what we wanted to how we wanted to

and what we wanted to how we wanted to
come across and um the stuff that that

come across and um the stuff that that

come across and um the stuff that that
we all did in that time is is kind of

immortal I could call it a miracle that

immortal I could call it a miracle that
they were fortunate enough to meet

they were fortunate enough to meet

they were fortunate enough to meet
somebody like Donnie

somebody like Donnie

somebody like Donnie
kersner Wally

kersner Wally

kersner Wally
Gold

Gold

Gold
Jeff yeah I I I would go along with that

Jeff yeah I I I would go along with that

Jeff yeah I I I would go along with that
but I think it's meant to be I think

but I think it's meant to be I think

but I think it's meant to be I think
that when you have that raw talent you

that when you have that raw talent you

that when you have that raw talent you
have that ability to write and create

have that ability to write and create

have that ability to write and create
poetry and be able to put music to it

poetry and be able to put music to it

poetry and be able to put music to it
it's a different kind of

Miracle it's a Godlike Miracle but it's

Miracle it's a Godlike Miracle but it's
this practical

this practical

this practical
Miracle how does six guys from Topeka

Miracle how does six guys from Topeka

Miracle how does six guys from Topeka
Kansas end up you know becoming one of

Kansas end up you know becoming one of

Kansas end up you know becoming one of
the most successful rock bands in the

the most successful rock bands in the

the most successful rock bands in the
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world the chances were just a snowball

world the chances were just a snowball

world the chances were just a snowball
in hell you

in hell you

in hell you
know I always felt like there was a kind

know I always felt like there was a kind

know I always felt like there was a kind
of the destiny thing hanging over us or

of the destiny thing hanging over us or

of the destiny thing hanging over us or
something you know it just it it took

something you know it just it it took

something you know it just it it took
took more than just

took more than just

took more than just
that you know we never had a plan B

that you know we never had a plan B

that you know we never had a plan B
there was no plan B there was never what

there was no plan B there was never what

there was no plan B there was never what
are you going to do if this doesn't work

are you going to do if this doesn't work

are you going to do if this doesn't work
out we were always just going to make it

out we were always just going to make it

out we were always just going to make it
in the music business we didn't even

in the music business we didn't even

in the music business we didn't even
know what make it was but that's what we

know what make it was but that's what we

know what make it was but that's what we
were doing we're as different as six

were doing we're as different as six

were doing we're as different as six
individuals can be and yet we formed

individuals can be and yet we formed

individuals can be and yet we formed
this group that had something special

this group that had something special

this group that had something special
about it I don't know what it was it had

about it I don't know what it was it had

about it I don't know what it was it had
something special about it that uh that

something special about it that uh that

something special about it that uh that
really reached people we were proud of

really reached people we were proud of

really reached people we were proud of
each other other and we were proud of

each other other and we were proud of

each other other and we were proud of
ourselves you know we had something to

ourselves you know we had something to

ourselves you know we had something to
prove and it was going to be hell or

prove and it was going to be hell or

prove and it was going to be hell or
high water if we didn't it's been you

high water if we didn't it's been you

high water if we didn't it's been you
know gez I've lived a

know gez I've lived a

know gez I've lived a
dream we reached the point of surpassing

dream we reached the point of surpassing

dream we reached the point of surpassing
all our dreams the dreams that we had um

all our dreams the dreams that we had um

all our dreams the dreams that we had um
the dreams that we imagined from the

the dreams that we imagined from the

the dreams that we imagined from the
very first album you know things you

very first album you know things you

very first album you know things you
kind of always hoped but you'd never you

kind of always hoped but you'd never you

kind of always hoped but you'd never you
would never feel that you'd ever ever

would never feel that you'd ever ever

would never feel that you'd ever ever
get there to me a band is it's all about

get there to me a band is it's all about

get there to me a band is it's all about
a team it's not about the indiv

a team it's not about the indiv

a team it's not about the indiv
individual people in it it's about what

individual people in it it's about what

individual people in it it's about what
a team can do if they're all firing on

a team can do if they're all firing on

a team can do if they're all firing on
all its cylinders together I wanted to

all its cylinders together I wanted to

all its cylinders together I wanted to
be a part of something that was a lot

be a part of something that was a lot

be a part of something that was a lot
bigger than I could ever be being in a

bigger than I could ever be being in a

bigger than I could ever be being in a
band is like being married only I was

band is like being married only I was

band is like being married only I was
married to Five Guys you know that's a

married to Five Guys you know that's a

married to Five Guys you know that's a
that's a lot of

that's a lot of

that's a lot of
work it's always going to be uh the guys

work it's always going to be uh the guys

work it's always going to be uh the guys
first and we all like love music but I

first and we all like love music but I

first and we all like love music but I
like the guys my

like the guys my

like the guys my
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friends you got to have people around

friends you got to have people around

friends you got to have people around
you that you trust and eventually that

you that you trust and eventually that

you that you trust and eventually that
you love you know it's that's the thing

you love you know it's that's the thing

you love you know it's that's the thing
about this band is that they're the most

about this band is that they're the most

about this band is that they're the most
trustworthy people that I've ever

trustworthy people that I've ever

trustworthy people that I've ever
met after 40 years I'm proud to say that

met after 40 years I'm proud to say that

met after 40 years I'm proud to say that
you know I was part of it so going back

you know I was part of it so going back

you know I was part of it so going back
there and restaging that

there and restaging that

there and restaging that
picture was really the first time in 40

picture was really the first time in 40

picture was really the first time in 40
some years that any of us had been back

some years that any of us had been back

some years that any of us had been back
there and to go up there and to stand

there and to go up there and to stand

there and to go up there and to stand
and to have the six of us there again

and to have the six of us there again

and to have the six of us there again
knowing 40 years ago we stood here and

knowing 40 years ago we stood here and

knowing 40 years ago we stood here and
to recreate that it was um it was

to recreate that it was um it was

to recreate that it was um it was
Goosebumps that's why it makes this so

Goosebumps that's why it makes this so

Goosebumps that's why it makes this so
meaningful it was the journey but we

meaningful it was the journey but we

meaningful it was the journey but we
actually made it to the top of the

actually made it to the top of the

actually made it to the top of the
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mountain

the Sparks of the Tempest rage 100 years

the Sparks of the Tempest rage 100 years
on the voice of the dreamer scream calls

on the voice of the dreamer scream calls

on the voice of the dreamer scream calls
upon the king and the queen are gone

upon the king and the queen are gone

upon the king and the queen are gone
Each pie is the same the difference

Each pie is the same the difference

Each pie is the same the difference
between us is a part of the game

between us is a part of the game

between us is a part of the game
darkness is spreading like a spot on the

darkness is spreading like a spot on the

darkness is spreading like a spot on the
Sun the dead are the living in the AG of

Sun the dead are the living in the AG of

Sun the dead are the living in the AG of
begun while everyone clamors for the

begun while everyone clamors for the

begun while everyone clamors for the
Justice they see the word is corrupted

Justice they see the word is corrupted

Justice they see the word is corrupted
and the strong take the weed they mo you

and the strong take the weed they mo you

and the strong take the weed they mo you
into

into

into
so watch what you do the SPs of the

so watch what you do the SPs of the

so watch what you do the SPs of the
Tempest are burning me through SP like

Tempest are burning me through SP like

Tempest are burning me through SP like
wild falling like

wild falling like

wild falling like
rain promise they

rain promise they

rain promise they
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all your future is managed and your

all your future is managed and your
Freedom's a joke you don't know the

Freedom's a joke you don't know the

Freedom's a joke you don't know the
difference as you put on the y the less

difference as you put on the y the less

difference as you put on the y the less
that you know the more you fall into

that you know the more you fall into

that you know the more you fall into
place Cog in the wheel there is no soul

place Cog in the wheel there is no soul

place Cog in the wheel there is no soul
in your

in your

in your
face the

face the

face the
cover

cover

cover
here the standard of confusion and fear

here the standard of confusion and fear

here the standard of confusion and fear
spreading like wild falling Like

spreading like wild falling Like

spreading like wild falling Like
Rain prise the only

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bring

bring
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a