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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:02,140 --> 00:00:04,728 [pouring wine] 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:09,043 --> 00:00:09,699 [glasses clinking] 5 00:00:23,126 --> 00:00:26,405 [light haunting music] 6 00:00:29,684 --> 00:00:30,789 Mr. Hillerich. 7 00:01:27,777 --> 00:01:29,606 [light haunting music] 8 00:01:29,641 --> 00:01:33,196 [multiple voices speaking] 9 00:01:45,967 --> 00:01:49,557 - [Bob] Right on top of the dirt pile in plain view, 10 00:01:49,592 --> 00:01:53,147 in everybody's sight was a skull intact 11 00:01:53,182 --> 00:01:55,943 and I went back and told the supervisor, 12 00:01:55,977 --> 00:01:59,464 I said hey man, you've gotta come look at this. 13 00:01:59,498 --> 00:02:01,051 He said, "Cover it up with a tarp 14 00:02:01,086 --> 00:02:02,501 "and put it back in the hole." 15 00:02:02,536 --> 00:02:05,332 - Here's what's happening, we're going out there 16 00:02:05,366 --> 00:02:09,750 and we're having to hide skulls with tarps, 17 00:02:09,784 --> 00:02:11,372 so these family members will not see 18 00:02:11,407 --> 00:02:13,167 that there's other bodies in the dirt, 19 00:02:13,202 --> 00:02:15,480 that's going to be refilled into the grave, 20 00:02:15,514 --> 00:02:17,275 there's lots of bones and bodies. 21 00:02:17,309 --> 00:02:18,793 - I'd heard stories 22 00:02:18,828 --> 00:02:22,694 about how they were finding bones in different places. 23 00:02:23,902 --> 00:02:25,593 I did contact the Attorney General, 24 00:02:25,628 --> 00:02:27,871 at that point I was a stay-at-home Mom, 25 00:02:27,906 --> 00:02:29,977 so I was able to put some time into it 26 00:02:30,011 --> 00:02:32,428 and I remember contacting the Attorney General 27 00:02:32,462 --> 00:02:34,015 and he did go down to check the grave 28 00:02:34,050 --> 00:02:38,606 and said that if he's there, if that was him, 29 00:02:38,641 --> 00:02:41,022 he was only buried inches down, 30 00:02:42,127 --> 00:02:44,060 but he couldn't guarantee that either 31 00:02:44,094 --> 00:02:48,685 and so at that point I really did just came to terms with it 32 00:02:49,859 --> 00:02:53,276 and just still continue to not go down there 33 00:02:54,657 --> 00:02:56,866 and celebrate his life in other ways. 34 00:02:58,695 --> 00:03:00,973 - I mean, I was shocked, I was devastated, 35 00:03:02,285 --> 00:03:04,943 I mean, to know that possibly all the loved ones 36 00:03:04,977 --> 00:03:08,533 was buried on top of my loved one, which is my Mom, 37 00:03:08,567 --> 00:03:10,638 so that was quite devastating. 38 00:03:10,673 --> 00:03:12,571 - He did not purchase that plot 39 00:03:14,021 --> 00:03:17,956 knowing that he was gonna have other people on top of him. 40 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:20,648 - It's actually known coast to coast 41 00:03:20,683 --> 00:03:23,479 as the nation's most grossly abused cemetery, 42 00:03:23,513 --> 00:03:26,689 I mean, you Google Eastern Cemetery, Louisville, Kentucky, 43 00:03:26,723 --> 00:03:29,588 you're gonna find an article from the LA Times 44 00:03:29,623 --> 00:03:32,246 or a newspaper in New York 45 00:03:32,281 --> 00:03:34,904 talking about the horrible things that went on. 46 00:03:34,938 --> 00:03:37,320 - I mean, there are people who still own plots, 47 00:03:37,355 --> 00:03:41,151 they're supposed to be empty, but they're probably not 48 00:03:41,186 --> 00:03:44,983 and I mean, you can't really make that right honestly. 49 00:03:45,017 --> 00:03:49,021 - And you had hundreds and thousands of family members 50 00:03:49,056 --> 00:03:52,508 coming up wanting to know once this broke news, 51 00:03:52,542 --> 00:03:54,268 is my family buried with somebody else? 52 00:03:54,303 --> 00:03:57,237 - He pulled out a loaded .38 caliber revolver 53 00:03:57,271 --> 00:03:58,514 and stuck it in my face 54 00:03:58,548 --> 00:04:00,757 probably no more than a foot or two away from me 55 00:04:00,792 --> 00:04:02,276 right between the eyes, 56 00:04:02,311 --> 00:04:04,658 this guy was easily in his 70s, 57 00:04:04,692 --> 00:04:06,487 if he wasn't in his early 80s 58 00:04:06,522 --> 00:04:09,594 and I could see the chambers were loaded on the pistol. 59 00:04:09,628 --> 00:04:12,735 - It's part of my faith, we bury the dead with dignity 60 00:04:12,769 --> 00:04:14,461 and that did not happen. 61 00:04:14,495 --> 00:04:16,773 - You know, they walked him out of it 62 00:04:16,808 --> 00:04:21,019 and I thought no, this is not right, this is not right, 63 00:04:21,053 --> 00:04:24,919 they're gonna walk, ain't nothing's going to be done. 64 00:04:24,954 --> 00:04:26,818 - There's just bones everywhere, 65 00:04:28,233 --> 00:04:31,340 the joke was when we got the investigation going full blown, 66 00:04:31,374 --> 00:04:34,032 you couldn't swing a dead cat in Eastern Cemetery 67 00:04:34,066 --> 00:04:35,551 without finding a disturbed burial. 68 00:04:35,585 --> 00:04:38,278 - We had the bare bones of the story 69 00:04:38,312 --> 00:04:41,764 and then as we kept working, we kept uncovering 70 00:04:41,798 --> 00:04:43,800 more and more scraps and more and more scraps 71 00:04:43,835 --> 00:04:46,562 and it's a much, much bigger story 72 00:04:46,596 --> 00:04:48,736 than I think anybody could've imagined. 73 00:04:48,771 --> 00:04:52,671 - When you would go there, it's like that place, 74 00:04:52,706 --> 00:04:56,606 just it wanted help, like it was begging for help. 75 00:04:57,573 --> 00:05:01,128 [multiple voices speaking] 76 00:05:13,347 --> 00:05:16,557 [mellow country music] 77 00:05:23,392 --> 00:05:28,362 ♪ Yeah, there's holes in the ground ♪ 78 00:05:29,570 --> 00:05:33,402 ♪ Yeah, where the cars passed by ♪ 79 00:05:34,610 --> 00:05:39,511 ♪ Yeah, there's holes in the ground ♪ 80 00:05:39,546 --> 00:05:43,066 ♪ Yeah, where they're piled high ♪ 81 00:05:43,101 --> 00:05:46,276 ♪ Piled high 82 00:05:46,311 --> 00:05:50,660 ♪ So where's your angel of redemption ♪ 83 00:05:50,695 --> 00:05:55,700 ♪ Way up in the sky 84 00:05:57,218 --> 00:06:01,602 ♪ So now where's those good old intentions ♪ 85 00:06:01,637 --> 00:06:04,950 ♪ Yeah, 'cause the bones don't lie ♪ 86 00:06:04,985 --> 00:06:07,781 ♪ The bones don't lie 87 00:06:07,815 --> 00:06:12,820 ♪ The bones don't lie 88 00:06:14,408 --> 00:06:18,964 ♪ Another shot of whiskey 89 00:06:18,999 --> 00:06:24,004 ♪ And another shot of ale 90 00:06:25,488 --> 00:06:29,561 ♪ Another nail through the casket ♪ 91 00:06:29,596 --> 00:06:34,601 ♪ Another lonely day 92 00:06:36,603 --> 00:06:39,502 ♪ So drop an egg into the basket ♪ 93 00:06:39,537 --> 00:06:42,574 ♪ The hair of the dog, you're tisky tasking ♪ 94 00:06:42,609 --> 00:06:45,059 ♪ Here we go down to the bottom ♪ 95 00:06:45,094 --> 00:06:47,683 ♪ Here we go where the bones don't lie ♪ 96 00:06:47,717 --> 00:06:52,066 ♪ So where's those angels of redemption ♪ 97 00:06:52,101 --> 00:06:57,106 ♪ Way up in the sky 98 00:06:58,625 --> 00:07:03,043 ♪ So now where's those good old intentions ♪ 99 00:07:03,077 --> 00:07:06,495 ♪ Yeah, 'cause the bones don't lie ♪ 100 00:07:06,529 --> 00:07:09,118 ♪ The bones don't lie 101 00:07:09,152 --> 00:07:11,638 ♪ The bones don't lie 102 00:07:11,672 --> 00:07:15,262 [multiple voices speaking] 103 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,720 - [Narrator] Eastern Cemetery consists of 29.6 acres of land 104 00:07:24,754 --> 00:07:26,584 and is located in the Irish Hill neighborhood 105 00:07:26,618 --> 00:07:27,826 of Louisville, Kentucky. 106 00:07:27,861 --> 00:07:31,347 Founded in 1843 by two Methodist churches, 107 00:07:31,381 --> 00:07:34,350 Eastern and its sister cemeteries, Greenwood and Shardein 108 00:07:34,384 --> 00:07:36,145 were owned by the Louisville Crematory 109 00:07:36,179 --> 00:07:38,699 and Cemetery Company for 145 years. 110 00:07:38,734 --> 00:07:41,702 Following an investigation by the Attorney General's Office 111 00:07:41,737 --> 00:07:44,533 in 1989, the company ceased operations 112 00:07:44,567 --> 00:07:47,570 and charges including over burial and grave desecration 113 00:07:47,605 --> 00:07:50,021 were brought against three of its officials. 114 00:07:50,055 --> 00:07:51,885 Only about 16,000 gravestones 115 00:07:51,919 --> 00:07:54,508 can be found in Eastern Cemetery, 116 00:07:54,543 --> 00:07:58,547 but records exist for over 138,000 burials there. 117 00:07:58,581 --> 00:08:01,550 Some sections have been re-gridded and reused over and over 118 00:08:01,584 --> 00:08:03,137 and some individual graves 119 00:08:03,172 --> 00:08:05,174 had been buried as many as eight times. 120 00:08:05,208 --> 00:08:07,452 The defunct Cemetery Company was placed 121 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:10,248 on a court order receivership until 2001, 122 00:08:10,282 --> 00:08:12,768 when Maurice Phillips was removed from the position 123 00:08:12,802 --> 00:08:15,115 following allegations that he had abandoned his duties 124 00:08:15,149 --> 00:08:17,738 and mismanaged cemetery funds. 125 00:08:17,773 --> 00:08:21,155 - You know, when I first went over there in 1974, 126 00:08:21,190 --> 00:08:22,847 I saw these sunken graves 127 00:08:23,917 --> 00:08:26,057 and so I was wondering about that 128 00:08:27,092 --> 00:08:28,646 and I talked to my predecessor 129 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,233 and then other people at Cave Hill 130 00:08:30,268 --> 00:08:34,928 and the reason that happened is because they didn't require 131 00:08:34,962 --> 00:08:38,552 a concrete vault for the casket. 132 00:08:38,587 --> 00:08:41,866 - At Eastern Cemetery they would charge people 133 00:08:41,900 --> 00:08:45,766 and get paid to put the concrete vault in, 134 00:08:47,423 --> 00:08:51,634 but most of the time they wouldn't put 'em in, 135 00:08:51,669 --> 00:08:53,084 the reason they wouldn't put 'em in 136 00:08:53,118 --> 00:08:55,845 is because they knew they'd be digging there again 137 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,122 in the not so distant future. 138 00:08:57,157 --> 00:08:59,953 - So as I go through the records again, 139 00:08:59,987 --> 00:09:02,024 I'm doing the research with the records, 140 00:09:02,058 --> 00:09:03,646 this is under the court order, 141 00:09:03,681 --> 00:09:06,131 I'm acting at checking the graves 142 00:09:06,166 --> 00:09:09,272 and I wanna find out what kind of paperwork do we have 143 00:09:11,447 --> 00:09:15,451 and I started seeing this notation, OG, OG, OG 144 00:09:15,485 --> 00:09:21,215 consistently throughout the records and it's Old Grave, 145 00:09:21,250 --> 00:09:22,631 they're burying people in old graves. 146 00:09:24,633 --> 00:09:27,567 - The casket decomposes, there's no family members, 147 00:09:27,601 --> 00:09:31,674 no monument, no flowers on Mother's Day or Easter 148 00:09:31,709 --> 00:09:35,091 and so they would reuse that grave space. 149 00:09:35,126 --> 00:09:39,475 - And at some point they had 10 years' worth of graves 150 00:09:39,509 --> 00:09:41,511 that hadn't been visited, 151 00:09:41,546 --> 00:09:43,652 so they reconciled that with the maps 152 00:09:43,686 --> 00:09:48,691 and they said okay, section A, row 26 through row 32, 153 00:09:50,382 --> 00:09:53,109 there's only two people over there that have been visited, 154 00:09:53,144 --> 00:09:55,974 so let's go on and clear all the stones out of there 155 00:09:56,009 --> 00:09:58,045 and resell them. 156 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,633 - Starting in the 1850s, 157 00:09:59,668 --> 00:10:04,604 they systemically start reselling entire sections, 158 00:10:04,638 --> 00:10:07,399 they sell individual lots over and over and over again, 159 00:10:07,434 --> 00:10:09,367 it's an incredibly complex 160 00:10:09,401 --> 00:10:12,404 and they kept multiple sets of books. 161 00:10:12,439 --> 00:10:16,270 But like I said, we now, 162 00:10:16,305 --> 00:10:20,447 the standard for burial is 1,000 to 1100 bodies per acre, 163 00:10:20,481 --> 00:10:21,759 it's a 30-acre cemetery, 164 00:10:21,793 --> 00:10:25,970 that's what, 30,000 to 40,000 bodies, right, 165 00:10:26,004 --> 00:10:28,213 we right now were not done yet, 166 00:10:28,248 --> 00:10:31,976 have 138,000 recorded burials in Eastern Cemetery. 167 00:10:32,010 --> 00:10:35,082 - [Narrator] Eastern Cemetery is home to more than 100,000 168 00:10:35,117 --> 00:10:38,051 unmarked and disturbed burials of individuals, 169 00:10:38,085 --> 00:10:40,156 who entrusted the care of their final remains 170 00:10:40,191 --> 00:10:43,125 to a business which considered them expendable. 171 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:45,161 As early as 1858, records indicate 172 00:10:45,196 --> 00:10:47,094 multiple burials in the same grave. 173 00:10:47,129 --> 00:10:50,235 The practice of over burial and resale of occupied graves 174 00:10:50,270 --> 00:10:52,444 became standard procedure for the company, 175 00:10:52,479 --> 00:10:54,723 until cemetery worker, Bob Allen reported it 176 00:10:54,757 --> 00:10:57,657 to the Kentucky Attorney General's Office in 1989. 177 00:10:59,072 --> 00:11:02,109 - So Bob Allen, when he went to work there, 178 00:11:04,284 --> 00:11:09,289 he said that these people didn't hide what they were doing, 179 00:11:10,739 --> 00:11:12,637 they weren't out there in the middle of the night doing it 180 00:11:12,672 --> 00:11:16,158 like I'd always thought, like you didn't wanna think. 181 00:11:16,192 --> 00:11:21,197 He said that they did it open, plain as day, 182 00:11:22,682 --> 00:11:24,649 never made excuses, never told anybody to cover anything up, 183 00:11:24,684 --> 00:11:26,651 it's just how business was done. 184 00:11:26,686 --> 00:11:29,723 - [Narrator] In the years following the investigation, 185 00:11:29,758 --> 00:11:31,898 Eastern Cemetery was abandoned, 186 00:11:31,932 --> 00:11:33,969 its grounds had become overgrown, 187 00:11:34,003 --> 00:11:36,281 gravestones had been destroyed or stolen 188 00:11:36,316 --> 00:11:38,318 and the chapel, garage and stone vault 189 00:11:38,352 --> 00:11:41,148 had been broken into and vandalized repeatedly. 190 00:11:42,943 --> 00:11:46,982 - I think they had the urns, where you could stick flowers 191 00:11:47,016 --> 00:11:51,296 and of course back then you bought great quality of things 192 00:11:51,331 --> 00:11:53,540 and he has marble, he has the marble 193 00:11:53,574 --> 00:11:55,853 and the brass and things had been taken, 194 00:11:55,887 --> 00:11:58,890 my uncle who lays there next to him, 195 00:11:58,925 --> 00:12:01,272 his things have been removed 196 00:12:01,306 --> 00:12:04,516 and it was so decayed because right in the middle, 197 00:12:04,551 --> 00:12:06,380 I have a cousin right there, 198 00:12:06,415 --> 00:12:09,590 but we were unable to put a marker there, 199 00:12:09,625 --> 00:12:13,284 because the ground was so trashed up and decayed, 200 00:12:13,318 --> 00:12:16,080 so there's an unmarked grave of a relative there 201 00:12:16,114 --> 00:12:17,702 right in the middle of them. 202 00:12:17,737 --> 00:12:21,637 - Like Mother's Day, Memorial Day Weekend, 203 00:12:22,811 --> 00:12:25,779 my father would have to take his weed eater 204 00:12:25,814 --> 00:12:27,263 and make me a path, 205 00:12:27,298 --> 00:12:30,577 that's the only way I would be able to find where she was, 206 00:12:31,785 --> 00:12:33,476 he would go first and then he would tell me, 207 00:12:33,511 --> 00:12:35,927 "I made you a path, so as soon as you pull in, 208 00:12:35,962 --> 00:12:39,759 "park on the side, get out and you'll see my path 209 00:12:39,793 --> 00:12:42,658 "and that will lead you to where she's buried." 210 00:12:42,692 --> 00:12:45,212 - And he actually went through the files, 211 00:12:45,247 --> 00:12:46,593 that they still had inside 212 00:12:46,627 --> 00:12:48,871 before the building was bricked over 213 00:12:48,906 --> 00:12:51,011 and pulled out index cards 214 00:12:51,046 --> 00:12:52,702 and tried to lead us in the right direction, 215 00:12:52,737 --> 00:12:54,946 even though it was a complete mess out there 216 00:12:54,981 --> 00:12:59,813 and we did end up finding her Dad, which was my Grandpa, 217 00:12:59,848 --> 00:13:04,749 Hewart, but was unable to find anybody else. 218 00:13:05,923 --> 00:13:08,097 - [Andy] Nobody's here, nobody's doing anything, 219 00:13:08,132 --> 00:13:10,617 you've got this huge cemetery right in the middle 220 00:13:10,651 --> 00:13:12,550 of Louisville's historic district 221 00:13:12,584 --> 00:13:14,759 they we're supposedly so proud of 222 00:13:16,071 --> 00:13:20,972 and look at it, it's an embarrassment, it's a shambles. 223 00:13:22,077 --> 00:13:23,250 - [Narrator] The care of those at rest 224 00:13:23,285 --> 00:13:24,769 in these neglected cemeteries 225 00:13:24,804 --> 00:13:26,840 was left up to their families and loved ones, 226 00:13:26,875 --> 00:13:28,669 who were taken advantage of 227 00:13:28,704 --> 00:13:31,155 in one of the most difficult times of their lives. 228 00:13:31,189 --> 00:13:34,744 - My husband and I are just local amateur historians, 229 00:13:34,779 --> 00:13:36,816 we've been all over the city 230 00:13:36,850 --> 00:13:40,302 and after a visit to Cave Hill one day we said, oh look, 231 00:13:40,336 --> 00:13:42,925 right across the wall there's a whole other cemetery, 232 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,444 how do you even get into it? 233 00:13:44,478 --> 00:13:46,480 Figured out how to go around and get into it 234 00:13:46,515 --> 00:13:49,483 and we were expecting more of what we've just seen, 235 00:13:49,518 --> 00:13:53,625 you know, manicured lawns and landscapes, trees, 236 00:13:53,660 --> 00:13:57,560 a beautiful cemetery and it was not that at all, 237 00:13:57,595 --> 00:13:59,942 it was really heartbreaking. 238 00:14:01,392 --> 00:14:04,705 A lot of the same names on both sides of the wall 239 00:14:04,740 --> 00:14:09,745 and yet you go from perpetual care to neglect and vandalism. 240 00:14:10,884 --> 00:14:12,713 - My guys were just standing there 241 00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:15,613 and the Eastern employees 242 00:14:15,647 --> 00:14:17,546 didn't realize that my men were there. 243 00:14:18,927 --> 00:14:23,793 So they dug down, hit a grave, maybe a 20-year old grave, 244 00:14:23,828 --> 00:14:27,487 there was a thigh bone and they thought it was funny, 245 00:14:27,521 --> 00:14:30,490 so they just threw it over the wall into Cave Hill. 246 00:14:30,524 --> 00:14:32,906 - [Narrator] A red brick wall stretches 247 00:14:32,941 --> 00:14:35,771 along the southeast border of Eastern Cemetery. 248 00:14:35,805 --> 00:14:38,947 On the other side is Cave Hill Veterans Cemetery, 249 00:14:38,981 --> 00:14:42,191 Louisville's oldest and most prominent burial ground. 250 00:14:42,226 --> 00:14:44,366 A beautifully kept garden cemetery 251 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,127 in the popular style of the mid-19th century, 252 00:14:47,162 --> 00:14:50,027 Cave Hill is home to over 5,500 graves 253 00:14:50,061 --> 00:14:54,410 of Union and Confederate soldiers spanning 296 acres. 254 00:14:54,445 --> 00:14:59,001 In 2002 Cave Hill had about 120,000 people interred there 255 00:14:59,036 --> 00:15:02,729 with space remaining for about 22,000 more graves. 256 00:15:02,763 --> 00:15:06,629 By comparison, Eastern Cemetery has less than 30 acres 257 00:15:06,664 --> 00:15:09,839 and over 138,000 recorded burials. 258 00:15:11,082 --> 00:15:13,671 - It wasn't that he had any prior experience 259 00:15:14,672 --> 00:15:16,950 with running a cemetery 260 00:15:16,985 --> 00:15:21,990 and I know he leaned some on Lee Squires, 261 00:15:23,405 --> 00:15:26,856 he would try to consult with him and ask advice and so forth 262 00:15:26,891 --> 00:15:30,895 about just day to day operational things or about equipment 263 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:33,967 or about the guys who were working there 264 00:15:34,002 --> 00:15:36,556 and they would have conversations, 265 00:15:36,590 --> 00:15:40,387 but my Dad may have been just in over his head. 266 00:15:40,422 --> 00:15:43,425 - You know, I would talk to Mr. Amos about the burials, 267 00:15:43,459 --> 00:15:48,464 I'd say how can you have so many spaces still available 268 00:15:49,914 --> 00:15:52,399 and Cave Hill was about at that time probably 80% full, 269 00:15:52,434 --> 00:15:56,231 we had 300 acres, Eastern was how many acres, 270 00:15:56,265 --> 00:15:57,991 do you recall? - 29.6. 271 00:15:58,026 --> 00:16:01,236 - Yeah, I said how can you still be burying people? 272 00:16:02,927 --> 00:16:06,586 He said, "Oh, we just find spaces, you know." 273 00:17:22,731 --> 00:17:25,975 [gentle melodic music] 274 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,409 - [Narrator] In 1843 parishioners of two churches 275 00:17:45,443 --> 00:17:49,620 came together each donating seven and a half acres of land 276 00:17:49,654 --> 00:17:51,829 and the Methodist burial grounds were formed 277 00:17:51,863 --> 00:17:55,315 for the interment of members of those congregations. 278 00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:57,697 Articles of incorporation were drafted in 1848 279 00:17:57,731 --> 00:17:59,975 and approved by the General Assembly of Kentucky 280 00:18:00,009 --> 00:18:02,598 on the 4th of March, 1854 281 00:18:02,633 --> 00:18:05,118 forming the Eastern Cemetery Company. 282 00:18:05,153 --> 00:18:07,189 The charter states that a board of nine trustees 283 00:18:07,224 --> 00:18:08,708 would be nominated, 284 00:18:08,742 --> 00:18:11,159 half from each of the two founding churches, 285 00:18:11,193 --> 00:18:12,919 that all profits remaining after the cost 286 00:18:12,953 --> 00:18:15,335 of payment to officers and laborers, 287 00:18:15,370 --> 00:18:17,786 capital improvements and other expenses 288 00:18:17,820 --> 00:18:21,030 would be equally divided between the two churches, 289 00:18:21,065 --> 00:18:24,793 Fourth Street Methodist, now Trinity Temple United Church 290 00:18:24,827 --> 00:18:26,312 and Brook Street Methodist, 291 00:18:26,346 --> 00:18:28,348 now Christ United Methodist Church. 292 00:18:28,383 --> 00:18:32,111 - You know, I heard all along that the Methodist church 293 00:18:32,145 --> 00:18:35,528 was the owner of the property and the cemetery, 294 00:18:35,562 --> 00:18:38,151 which makes it even more appalling 295 00:18:38,186 --> 00:18:40,153 and all the managers were Methodists, 296 00:18:40,188 --> 00:18:42,086 so I assume that's correct. 297 00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:45,883 But it was appalling to all of us at Cave Hill. 298 00:18:45,917 --> 00:18:48,610 - What they would do, the operators of the cemetery 299 00:18:48,644 --> 00:18:50,232 would take the money, 300 00:18:51,302 --> 00:18:53,408 the profits from operating the cemetery, 301 00:18:53,442 --> 00:18:56,928 take half of it for the continued operation of the cemetery 302 00:18:56,963 --> 00:18:58,620 and then take the other half 303 00:18:58,654 --> 00:19:01,105 and split it amongst these Methodist churches 304 00:19:02,244 --> 00:19:05,282 and this was recorded in the trustees' minutes 305 00:19:05,316 --> 00:19:08,526 for as long as I could find in the minute books, 306 00:19:08,561 --> 00:19:11,253 that I was able to get my hands on. 307 00:19:11,288 --> 00:19:13,082 When it came to the court situation, 308 00:19:13,117 --> 00:19:15,775 there was actually an attorney, 309 00:19:15,809 --> 00:19:18,709 who was hired by the Methodist churches 310 00:19:18,743 --> 00:19:20,780 or one of the Methodist churches, 311 00:19:20,814 --> 00:19:25,819 who any time anyone said during the proceedings, 312 00:19:26,924 --> 00:19:28,995 they tied the cemetery to the churches, 313 00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:30,341 it was his job to object 314 00:19:30,376 --> 00:19:34,932 that they were not legally tied together, 315 00:19:34,966 --> 00:19:39,454 though it's pretty clear that the trustees of the cemetery 316 00:19:39,488 --> 00:19:42,181 were all members of these churches 317 00:19:42,215 --> 00:19:44,010 and the proceeds were going there 318 00:19:44,044 --> 00:19:46,737 whether they were part of the same corporation or not. 319 00:19:46,771 --> 00:19:50,637 - The Board consisted of a lot of elderly men 320 00:19:50,672 --> 00:19:53,951 throughout the neighborhood, but they had to be a member 321 00:19:53,985 --> 00:19:57,575 of one of those churches in order to be on the Board. 322 00:19:57,610 --> 00:20:00,509 They would have a Board meeting and I think they got $50 323 00:20:00,544 --> 00:20:03,271 and a chicken dinner when they showed up 324 00:20:03,305 --> 00:20:04,513 and I think some of them 325 00:20:04,548 --> 00:20:06,619 had to be woke up before it was over. 326 00:20:06,653 --> 00:20:08,690 - The Methodist church I don't think 327 00:20:08,724 --> 00:20:10,899 claims any responsibility for any of it, 328 00:20:10,933 --> 00:20:13,384 that's very disturbing to me 329 00:20:14,558 --> 00:20:16,353 and of course all the family members, 330 00:20:16,387 --> 00:20:18,631 that had the problems with their loved ones 331 00:20:18,665 --> 00:20:21,496 in their graves desecrated. 332 00:20:23,014 --> 00:20:24,257 - [Interviewer] Absolutely. 333 00:20:24,292 --> 00:20:26,259 - And if the Methodists were responsible for it, 334 00:20:26,294 --> 00:20:28,019 that's a real shame. 335 00:20:28,054 --> 00:20:30,263 - [Narrator] Eastern Cemetery has a history 336 00:20:30,298 --> 00:20:34,025 of public concern for over burial and grave desecration, 337 00:20:34,060 --> 00:20:36,062 as early as 1885, the local journal 338 00:20:36,096 --> 00:20:38,513 reported on complaints about the burial grounds 339 00:20:38,547 --> 00:20:40,239 citing filthy conditions 340 00:20:40,273 --> 00:20:42,448 and graves that were only a few inches deep. 341 00:20:42,482 --> 00:20:45,589 In 1912, JW Hardin told the Courier Journal 342 00:20:45,623 --> 00:20:48,419 that when he came to visit his parents' final resting place, 343 00:20:48,454 --> 00:20:51,042 the grave of a William Clark had been placed on top of them. 344 00:20:51,077 --> 00:20:54,943 In 1915 a lawsuit was filed against the cemetery 345 00:20:54,977 --> 00:20:57,877 by lot holders alleging that $4,500 346 00:20:57,911 --> 00:21:00,949 had been misappropriated to the beneficiary churches 347 00:21:00,983 --> 00:21:03,192 instead of the Perpetual Care Trust Fund. 348 00:21:04,642 --> 00:21:08,784 In 1948 Edna McDaniel's suit for a plot she had purchased 349 00:21:08,819 --> 00:21:11,373 including one her husband was already buried in 350 00:21:11,408 --> 00:21:13,996 were resold by the cemetery. 351 00:21:14,031 --> 00:21:16,240 - Mid-19th century, Thomas Shanks, 352 00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:18,242 he was the guy in the 1850s, 353 00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:21,245 who was the sexton of the cemetery, either he or his wife, 354 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,593 they kind of swapped off the jobs, alright. 355 00:21:24,628 --> 00:21:26,112 Thankfully she kept the records, 356 00:21:26,146 --> 00:21:27,182 'cause she had beautiful handwriting 357 00:21:27,216 --> 00:21:29,633 and during that period of time 358 00:21:29,667 --> 00:21:31,980 and I'm pretty certain that this is the guy 359 00:21:32,014 --> 00:21:35,535 that discovered that as Louisvillians were moving west 360 00:21:35,570 --> 00:21:38,780 during the westward expansion of the United States, 361 00:21:38,814 --> 00:21:43,302 okay, the 1850s, he was buying up family lots. 362 00:21:45,545 --> 00:21:47,478 So let's say you owned a family lot, 363 00:21:47,513 --> 00:21:51,448 that you had paid 25 or $30 for, a 10-grave lot 364 00:21:51,482 --> 00:21:54,347 and maybe you had children that were buried there 365 00:21:54,382 --> 00:21:56,832 or a couple of family members, 366 00:21:56,867 --> 00:21:58,800 well, you know, you're moving out west, 367 00:21:58,834 --> 00:22:01,112 I'll give you $25 for your lot 368 00:22:01,147 --> 00:22:03,667 or $15, we really don't have the figure, 369 00:22:03,701 --> 00:22:06,566 but what we see was he was buying the lots 370 00:22:07,740 --> 00:22:09,189 and that's kind of convoluted too, 371 00:22:09,224 --> 00:22:11,053 they would either be bought back 372 00:22:11,088 --> 00:22:13,159 in the name of Eastern Cemetery 373 00:22:13,193 --> 00:22:17,336 or they were bought by Thomas Shanks personally. 374 00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:21,270 Louisville was a small town, you would move west, okay, 375 00:22:22,686 --> 00:22:25,930 so it was in the paper, you and your family moved west 376 00:22:25,965 --> 00:22:28,174 to find your fortune, you've gone to St. Louis, 377 00:22:28,208 --> 00:22:29,520 maybe you wrote a letter back, 378 00:22:29,555 --> 00:22:32,489 it would get into the local papers. 379 00:22:32,523 --> 00:22:34,076 At that point old Thomas would go, 380 00:22:34,111 --> 00:22:38,011 hm, they're off the scene now, your whole lot 381 00:22:38,046 --> 00:22:42,809 with the two or three graves would go up for sale, okay. 382 00:22:42,844 --> 00:22:46,675 He was also apparently one of the individuals 383 00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:48,401 or the individual that discovered, 384 00:22:48,436 --> 00:22:51,611 hm, people aren't coming back and visiting this section, 385 00:22:51,646 --> 00:22:53,233 we'll just rebury it completely. 386 00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:59,550 So this Thomas Shanks starts actually reallocating 387 00:22:59,585 --> 00:23:01,345 parts of the cemetery as new sections, 388 00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:04,935 we have the Old Slave Grounds just completely disappeared, 389 00:23:04,969 --> 00:23:08,387 the Cheap Willow, the Elm Tree division, 390 00:23:08,421 --> 00:23:12,287 there are entire sections of that cemetery that are gone. 391 00:23:24,541 --> 00:23:26,819 - [Andy] When I've gone out to Greenwood, 392 00:23:28,717 --> 00:23:30,788 which is half the size of Eastern 393 00:23:32,618 --> 00:23:34,551 and basically the same conditions. 394 00:23:34,585 --> 00:23:36,691 - So we were at Greenwood and we were walking around 395 00:23:36,725 --> 00:23:39,487 and there literally are bones on the surface of the ground, 396 00:23:39,521 --> 00:23:42,179 you can walk round and be well, that's part of a fibula, 397 00:23:42,213 --> 00:23:44,112 that's like an occipital at the back of the skull 398 00:23:44,146 --> 00:23:45,596 right there by that tree. 399 00:23:45,631 --> 00:23:48,150 - Greenwood feels like it wants to be left alone, 400 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,739 it feels, 401 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:53,673 it feels defeated, 402 00:23:55,779 --> 00:23:59,472 it's a sad, sad place. 403 00:23:59,507 --> 00:24:01,819 - [Narrator] In 1903 the Board of Trustees 404 00:24:01,854 --> 00:24:05,064 of Eastern Cemetery loan the Union Land Development Company 405 00:24:05,098 --> 00:24:07,031 composed primarily of prominent 406 00:24:07,066 --> 00:24:08,757 African-American undertakers 407 00:24:08,792 --> 00:24:11,415 $20,000 for the purchase of lands 408 00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:14,694 and mapping out of a new cemetery, Greenwood. 409 00:24:14,729 --> 00:24:18,560 Three iterations of maps exist for Greenwood Cemetery, 410 00:24:18,595 --> 00:24:22,668 1903, 1932 and 1984, 411 00:24:23,841 --> 00:24:25,705 these maps depict the majority of the grounds 412 00:24:25,740 --> 00:24:27,569 having been reburied, 413 00:24:27,604 --> 00:24:29,778 in some cases entire sections of Greenwood 414 00:24:29,813 --> 00:24:32,263 completely disappear and in others, 415 00:24:32,298 --> 00:24:35,128 new sections have been carved out of old ones. 416 00:24:35,163 --> 00:24:37,993 - Many of the black undertakers formed a corporation 417 00:24:39,374 --> 00:24:43,827 and they borrowed money to start Greenwood Cemetery, okay, 418 00:24:45,276 --> 00:24:47,486 the reason I know this is from reading the minutes 419 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,316 of Eastern Cemetery's Board of Directors, 420 00:24:50,350 --> 00:24:54,320 they formed, they had Stonestreet and Ford 421 00:24:54,354 --> 00:24:55,977 lay out the cemetery. 422 00:24:56,011 --> 00:24:59,049 The roads, this was rural Jefferson County 423 00:24:59,083 --> 00:25:02,984 at the time were unpaved and in the summer 424 00:25:03,018 --> 00:25:06,815 they wrote a letter to the Board of Aldermans 425 00:25:06,850 --> 00:25:09,715 saying that the dirt roads, the dust, 426 00:25:09,749 --> 00:25:11,889 'cause this was when you were following 427 00:25:11,924 --> 00:25:15,030 a horse-drawn hearse to the cemetery, 428 00:25:15,065 --> 00:25:17,930 the dust would choke the mourners 429 00:25:17,964 --> 00:25:21,485 and then in the wintertime, the mud was quagmire. 430 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,349 The members of Eastern Cemetery 431 00:25:23,383 --> 00:25:25,178 had so much political pull, 432 00:25:25,213 --> 00:25:28,354 that they kept the road from being macadamized, 433 00:25:28,388 --> 00:25:29,838 as a result of that, 434 00:25:31,150 --> 00:25:36,155 or at least the black undertaker consortium went under. 435 00:25:38,606 --> 00:25:42,541 The property was bought at a Sheriff's auction, 436 00:25:42,575 --> 00:25:47,546 there are minutes that state they hired an individual, 437 00:25:48,926 --> 00:25:51,998 who was not directly associated with the Eastern Cemetery 438 00:25:52,033 --> 00:25:55,692 to buy Greenwood Cemetery at the Sheriff's auction, 439 00:25:56,865 --> 00:26:00,766 they did, they brought the deed to the cemetery 440 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,769 and it was transferred within a day or two 441 00:26:03,803 --> 00:26:06,219 to Eastern Cemetery Corporation 442 00:26:06,254 --> 00:26:09,429 and then on top of that all, 443 00:26:10,810 --> 00:26:14,676 the note that was outstanding by the black undertakers, 444 00:26:14,711 --> 00:26:17,265 the operator's fees for the cemetery called the note 445 00:26:17,299 --> 00:26:21,441 and they wanted the cash for the loan. 446 00:26:21,476 --> 00:26:24,928 - [Narrator] In May 1935 the Eastern Cemetery Company 447 00:26:24,962 --> 00:26:29,242 built Kentucky's first crematory at a cost of around $8,000. 448 00:26:29,277 --> 00:26:31,072 As demand grew, the newly renamed 449 00:26:31,106 --> 00:26:32,556 Louisville Crematory and Cemetery Company 450 00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:34,731 cornered the market on cremations 451 00:26:34,765 --> 00:26:36,905 and continued plans for expansion. 452 00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:39,908 In September 1957 construction began 453 00:26:39,943 --> 00:26:42,635 on a new structure in the back of Eastern Cemetery, 454 00:26:42,670 --> 00:26:45,638 which would house the offices, chapel, crematorium 455 00:26:45,673 --> 00:26:50,678 and columbarium at the cost of $79,737. 456 00:26:52,058 --> 00:26:53,888 The construction of the building and a new access road 457 00:26:53,922 --> 00:26:55,924 was directly over what had previously been 458 00:26:55,959 --> 00:26:57,961 the Old Colored Odd Fellows section 459 00:26:57,995 --> 00:27:00,066 and the remains of numerous burials 460 00:27:00,101 --> 00:27:01,343 were shifted into a condensed area, 461 00:27:01,378 --> 00:27:03,414 which would later be re-designated 462 00:27:03,449 --> 00:27:05,969 as section 19 or Babyland. 463 00:27:06,003 --> 00:27:09,179 [light melodic music] 464 00:27:29,164 --> 00:27:31,166 In 1984 Paul and Shirley Barr 465 00:27:31,201 --> 00:27:33,168 sued Louisville Crematory and Cemetery Company 466 00:27:33,203 --> 00:27:35,343 when their son, Michael couldn't be buried in a plot 467 00:27:35,377 --> 00:27:40,382 they had purchased in 1979, because it was already occupied. 468 00:27:41,245 --> 00:27:42,695 The family was awarded $10,000 469 00:27:42,730 --> 00:27:44,283 and the court determined that the defendants 470 00:27:44,317 --> 00:27:47,182 had done a sloppy job, recommending a survey 471 00:27:47,217 --> 00:27:49,495 be done on all graves sold pre-need. 472 00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:53,948 In a Board meeting on February 27th, 1987, 473 00:27:53,982 --> 00:27:55,743 the Barr case was discussed. 474 00:27:55,777 --> 00:27:57,606 It is clear from the minutes of this meeting, 475 00:27:57,641 --> 00:27:59,678 the Board understood they were going to have more problems 476 00:27:59,712 --> 00:28:01,990 with reserved graves, they needed to secure 477 00:28:02,025 --> 00:28:04,544 additional burial space for the future. 478 00:28:04,579 --> 00:28:06,374 Present were Clifford B Amos, 479 00:28:06,408 --> 00:28:09,584 President of the Board of Directors and Charles Alexander, 480 00:28:09,618 --> 00:28:12,691 Executive Director in charge of day to day operations. 481 00:28:15,417 --> 00:28:19,145 - Charlie was nice, he could be very, very nice 482 00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:21,527 as far as running a company, 483 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,393 no, he depended on, 484 00:28:25,427 --> 00:28:28,741 he wasn't great at management, he wasn't great, 485 00:28:28,776 --> 00:28:31,640 we all knew our jobs and we all kind of did them, 486 00:28:31,675 --> 00:28:34,057 he was very good at manipulating the guys. 487 00:28:34,091 --> 00:28:36,231 - You put that grave there no matter what, 488 00:28:36,266 --> 00:28:38,130 I mean, that's their policy, 489 00:28:38,164 --> 00:28:39,821 they're not gonna call a funeral director 490 00:28:39,856 --> 00:28:41,754 and tell a funeral director 491 00:28:41,789 --> 00:28:45,275 the grave you just called in for so-and-so is not there, 492 00:28:45,309 --> 00:28:48,209 we got to do this and that, they're not gonna do that, 493 00:28:48,243 --> 00:28:50,452 you know, they're not gonna talk to the funeral director, 494 00:28:50,487 --> 00:28:52,109 they're not gonna tell a family, 495 00:28:52,144 --> 00:28:54,284 they're not gonna tell nobody 496 00:28:54,318 --> 00:28:57,943 you put the grave there at whatever cost. 497 00:28:59,289 --> 00:29:01,878 I mean, for some, if you're digging through one, 498 00:29:03,362 --> 00:29:07,953 dig the grave deep enough, put the skeletal remains back in, 499 00:29:08,816 --> 00:29:10,162 make the burial on top of it. 500 00:29:11,542 --> 00:29:14,338 - [Narrator] Louisville Crematory and Cemetery Company 501 00:29:14,373 --> 00:29:18,791 office staff included Barbara Ray, bookkeeper since 1987 502 00:29:18,826 --> 00:29:23,140 and Beth Selch, receptionist since 1984. 503 00:29:23,175 --> 00:29:26,143 Bob Allen worked alongside two other gravediggers, 504 00:29:26,178 --> 00:29:28,905 Ronnie Aubury and JR Miles. 505 00:29:28,939 --> 00:29:31,355 For years Bob Allen complained to his supervisor, 506 00:29:31,390 --> 00:29:34,186 Charles Alexander that every time he dug a grave, 507 00:29:34,220 --> 00:29:36,636 he found signs of a previous burial. 508 00:29:36,671 --> 00:29:40,088 Finally in 1988 Allen went before the Board of Directors 509 00:29:40,123 --> 00:29:42,919 with his concerns, a policy statement about the problem 510 00:29:42,953 --> 00:29:45,300 was to have been issued, which would have protected 511 00:29:45,335 --> 00:29:47,544 the gravediggers from legal repercussions, 512 00:29:47,578 --> 00:29:49,926 but no such document ever materialized. 513 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,412 - You know, when they found I was bringing it up 514 00:29:53,446 --> 00:29:56,656 and he said, "Well, I'll approach the board with it, 515 00:29:56,691 --> 00:29:59,694 "I'll talk to Amos and Copley about it, 516 00:29:59,728 --> 00:30:02,628 "I'll get some answers and I'll get back to you all." 517 00:30:02,662 --> 00:30:03,974 but it never happened. 518 00:30:05,493 --> 00:30:08,254 - When the guys started coming in, 519 00:30:09,911 --> 00:30:13,604 probably early '89 talking to us finally, 520 00:30:13,639 --> 00:30:16,780 saying here's what's happening, we're going out there 521 00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:20,680 and we're having to hide skulls with tarps, 522 00:30:20,715 --> 00:30:22,855 so these family members were not seeing 523 00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:24,581 that there's other bodies in the dirt 524 00:30:24,615 --> 00:30:26,928 that's going to be refilled into the grave, 525 00:30:26,963 --> 00:30:29,724 there's lots of bones and bodies 526 00:30:29,758 --> 00:30:31,312 and we told them we don't care 527 00:30:31,346 --> 00:30:33,107 what the Board members are telling you, 528 00:30:33,141 --> 00:30:34,039 we don't care what Charlie's telling you, 529 00:30:34,073 --> 00:30:35,661 what you're doing is illegal. 530 00:30:35,695 --> 00:30:38,664 - Charlie had a seat, he had a sign that said 531 00:30:38,698 --> 00:30:41,011 Don't Worry, Be Happy 532 00:30:42,150 --> 00:30:43,669 and we kept on talking and talking 533 00:30:43,703 --> 00:30:46,534 and I thought how the hell are you gonna be happy, 534 00:30:46,568 --> 00:30:50,469 because I'm done, I'm done with it, you know, 535 00:30:50,503 --> 00:30:51,919 so I got off that day at noon, 536 00:30:51,953 --> 00:30:53,990 I come home and first thing I did 537 00:30:54,024 --> 00:30:56,613 was call the Attorney General's Office. 538 00:30:56,647 --> 00:30:59,064 - They sent, the AG's Office sent an accountant in 539 00:30:59,098 --> 00:31:02,170 to look at the books and this other guy, 540 00:31:02,205 --> 00:31:04,552 this other guy turns out to be a detective 541 00:31:04,586 --> 00:31:07,141 for the Attorney General's Office 542 00:31:07,175 --> 00:31:11,870 and he just kind of hangs out with the guys for two weeks 543 00:31:11,904 --> 00:31:16,598 and literally there are McDonald's bags under the front seat 544 00:31:16,633 --> 00:31:19,532 with femur heads and human bones 545 00:31:19,567 --> 00:31:21,431 and there's just bones everywhere. 546 00:31:21,465 --> 00:31:25,159 - [Narrator] On the morning of Tuesday May 30th, 1989, 547 00:31:25,193 --> 00:31:26,781 Jim Caldwell entered the cemetery offices 548 00:31:26,815 --> 00:31:29,957 under the guise of performing the annual tax audit 549 00:31:29,991 --> 00:31:32,718 along with Rick Morris, an auditor from the AG's Office. 550 00:31:32,752 --> 00:31:36,584 - Jim Caldwell came in with Rick, 551 00:31:36,618 --> 00:31:39,345 Rick was an auditor with the Attorney General's Office 552 00:31:39,380 --> 00:31:41,727 and Jim Caldwell came in 553 00:31:43,177 --> 00:31:47,940 and immediately Barbara and I knew he was not an auditor. 554 00:31:48,872 --> 00:31:50,598 - Jim, the first time I met him, 555 00:31:52,945 --> 00:31:57,916 Jim, you could see the cop coming out of him, 556 00:31:59,089 --> 00:32:01,126 I mean, you know, he was strictly business. 557 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,818 - I knew he was a police officer the minute he walked in, 558 00:32:03,852 --> 00:32:08,788 nobody wears brown polyester except for a police officer. 559 00:32:08,823 --> 00:32:11,032 - When I met Jim for the first time, 560 00:32:11,067 --> 00:32:14,346 he was wearing jeans and a white T-shirt 561 00:32:14,380 --> 00:32:18,902 and a leather shoulder holster with a .357 Magnum 562 00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:20,766 with a sixer and eight-inch each barrel. 563 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,906 - [Narrator] Under normal circumstances, 564 00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:26,185 graves were always dug the day prior to a funeral, 565 00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:27,773 but after Jim Caldwell's arrival, 566 00:32:27,807 --> 00:32:30,293 Charles Alexander instructed the ground crew 567 00:32:30,327 --> 00:32:33,848 to hold off on preparations for the burial of James Dudgeon, 568 00:32:33,882 --> 00:32:35,884 which was scheduled for the following day. 569 00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:37,817 - [Bob] Okay, he told Ronnie and JR not to dig it, 570 00:32:37,852 --> 00:32:40,717 while they were there, he said, "Wait." 571 00:32:42,167 --> 00:32:44,307 He said, "While they're in the cemetery, don't do it, wait." 572 00:32:44,341 --> 00:32:46,999 So they dug it the next day by the office. 573 00:32:47,034 --> 00:32:49,726 - There was going to be a burial and a rose garden 574 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,211 right outside of my office the following day 575 00:32:52,246 --> 00:32:54,420 and they knew they would find something, 576 00:32:54,455 --> 00:32:57,009 they absolutely knew, they always did. 577 00:32:57,044 --> 00:33:00,909 So it was gonna be set up to where Jim Caldwell came up 578 00:33:00,944 --> 00:33:02,394 when they had dug the grave. 579 00:33:02,428 --> 00:33:05,845 - They hit all kinds of previous burials in there, 580 00:33:07,295 --> 00:33:12,300 it was loaded on the dump truck, taken back and dumped, 581 00:33:13,474 --> 00:33:15,648 it was just normal procedure, you know, 582 00:33:15,683 --> 00:33:18,582 they dug through whatever it was, went on the truck, 583 00:33:18,617 --> 00:33:20,584 dumped it, covered it up 584 00:33:20,619 --> 00:33:22,483 to make the burial the next day. 585 00:33:23,794 --> 00:33:25,934 - From what Bob Allen had told me 586 00:33:25,969 --> 00:33:30,318 about that specific burial, there were I believe 587 00:33:30,353 --> 00:33:33,218 three to four bodies in the grave, 588 00:33:33,252 --> 00:33:36,945 where Mr. Dudgeon was supposed to be placed. 589 00:33:36,980 --> 00:33:40,708 The Attorney General's Office came back in two days later 590 00:33:40,742 --> 00:33:45,678 actually carrying almost a backpack filled with bones. 591 00:33:45,713 --> 00:33:50,166 - [Narrator] Around seven a.m., Thursday June the 1st, 1989, 592 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,788 Bob Allen unlocked the front gate 593 00:33:51,822 --> 00:33:54,894 and let Jim Caldwell back to the stone vault, 594 00:33:54,929 --> 00:33:56,448 Caldwell entered with a flashlight 595 00:33:56,482 --> 00:33:58,208 and found what was later determined to be 596 00:33:58,243 --> 00:34:01,418 a human tibia on one of the stone shelves. 597 00:34:01,453 --> 00:34:03,524 Later Charles Alexander told Caldwell 598 00:34:03,558 --> 00:34:05,353 that the cemetery was very, very old 599 00:34:05,388 --> 00:34:08,908 and unidentified bodies were laying in some locations. 600 00:34:08,943 --> 00:34:10,393 When remains are found 601 00:34:10,427 --> 00:34:12,015 in what is thought to be an empty grave, 602 00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:15,467 the procedure is to allow for the new burial anyway. 603 00:34:17,124 --> 00:34:18,815 - Jim, the morning he come in there 604 00:34:18,849 --> 00:34:21,404 and I turned things over to him, 605 00:34:21,438 --> 00:34:25,753 he went to the Coroner's Office to make sure it was human. 606 00:34:25,787 --> 00:34:28,100 I know he told me one time, he said, 607 00:34:28,135 --> 00:34:31,655 "I'll put yellow tape around this whole building 608 00:34:31,690 --> 00:34:33,933 "and lock every one of them up." 609 00:34:33,968 --> 00:34:37,075 - [Narrator] After taking the remains to the County Coroner, 610 00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:38,731 Jim Caldwell returned to conduct 611 00:34:38,766 --> 00:34:41,009 a more thorough investigation, 612 00:34:41,044 --> 00:34:44,806 he found human remains in a golf cart, a tool box, 613 00:34:44,841 --> 00:34:47,706 some strewn on the ground near the office building, 614 00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:51,296 others in a garbage can, while some remains were discovered 615 00:34:51,330 --> 00:34:53,263 rolled up in a fast food bag 616 00:34:53,298 --> 00:34:55,231 stashed in a truck's glove compartment. 617 00:34:56,404 --> 00:34:58,130 - I mean, I think they were told you know, 618 00:34:58,165 --> 00:35:01,237 if you're out there, find something, pick it up, 619 00:35:01,271 --> 00:35:02,928 but some of it wound up in the pick up truck, 620 00:35:02,962 --> 00:35:05,482 some of it wound up on the backhoe, 621 00:35:05,517 --> 00:35:08,520 it's just where people went through and they picked it up, 622 00:35:08,554 --> 00:35:12,213 you know, not trying to hide it, 623 00:35:12,248 --> 00:35:14,595 but they knew it was out there on the grounds. 624 00:36:14,689 --> 00:36:16,070 - [Narrator] The Kentucky Attorney General's Office 625 00:36:16,104 --> 00:36:19,453 brought charges against the then 145 year old company 626 00:36:19,487 --> 00:36:21,524 and its three chief officers, 627 00:36:21,558 --> 00:36:25,838 Clifford B Amos, Robert Copley and Charles Alexander. 628 00:36:25,873 --> 00:36:28,634 All three men pled innocent in July 1989 629 00:36:28,669 --> 00:36:31,672 after a grand jury indicted them on over 60 counts 630 00:36:31,706 --> 00:36:34,709 including corpse abuse, grave desecration, 631 00:36:34,744 --> 00:36:36,608 improper handling of burial payments 632 00:36:36,642 --> 00:36:38,506 and failure to keep adequate funds 633 00:36:38,541 --> 00:36:40,646 in Perpetual Care Trust accounts. 634 00:36:40,681 --> 00:36:42,441 If convicted on all criminal charges, 635 00:36:42,476 --> 00:36:44,685 Louisville Crematory and Cemetery Company 636 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,032 face fines up to $1.1 million 637 00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:49,897 and Amos, Copley and Alexander were subject 638 00:36:49,931 --> 00:36:53,901 to sentences of up to 268 years in prison. 639 00:36:53,935 --> 00:36:56,214 - It was in total contradiction 640 00:36:56,248 --> 00:36:58,008 of everything my Dad stood for, 641 00:36:59,424 --> 00:37:03,221 I mean, he was just such an upstanding type of individual. 642 00:37:04,601 --> 00:37:09,157 I certainly could imagine that it could have taken place 643 00:37:10,297 --> 00:37:12,506 without his knowledge or awareness, 644 00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:14,404 he really probably should not 645 00:37:14,439 --> 00:37:16,958 have been in the role that he was in, 646 00:37:16,993 --> 00:37:21,239 he did not know anything about cemeteries. 647 00:37:21,273 --> 00:37:25,173 - [Narrator] An injunction filed July the 21st, 1989 648 00:37:25,208 --> 00:37:28,107 prohibited any new burials at Eastern or Greenwood, 649 00:37:28,142 --> 00:37:32,111 except for the 3,200 pre-need plots already sold. 650 00:37:32,146 --> 00:37:34,252 The order also stated every burial 651 00:37:34,286 --> 00:37:35,736 would have to first be examined 652 00:37:35,770 --> 00:37:38,290 by an archeologist from the University of Louisville. 653 00:37:38,325 --> 00:37:40,396 - [Phil] A relatively large percentage of the graves, 654 00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:44,469 that have been sold as reserves as we investigate them, 655 00:37:44,503 --> 00:37:46,747 the grave right behind you as a matter of fact 656 00:37:46,781 --> 00:37:48,611 was occupied by three individuals 657 00:37:48,645 --> 00:37:51,545 and then by the time we got to the third individual, 658 00:37:51,579 --> 00:37:53,340 all we had was the pelvic region 659 00:37:53,374 --> 00:37:55,411 and they had been just cut 660 00:37:55,445 --> 00:37:57,344 and basically a third of the individual 661 00:37:57,378 --> 00:37:59,967 had been cut off with a backhoe. 662 00:38:00,001 --> 00:38:02,728 - [Bob] Phil DiBlasi is an incredible man, 663 00:38:02,763 --> 00:38:07,492 I mean, the knowledge that guy's got is incredible, 664 00:38:07,526 --> 00:38:09,390 I mean, they used him 665 00:38:09,425 --> 00:38:11,012 because when the investigation was going on, 666 00:38:11,047 --> 00:38:14,706 they had to have somebody that was qualified to go in 667 00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:18,882 and check that grave and make sure it could be used. 668 00:38:18,917 --> 00:38:21,091 - I was involved with the investigation 669 00:38:21,126 --> 00:38:22,714 under the Attorney General, 670 00:38:22,748 --> 00:38:26,131 the court order said you people are operating a cemetery, 671 00:38:26,165 --> 00:38:27,615 but you can't violate the law, 672 00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:29,272 so to keep you from violating the law, 673 00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:31,067 we're gonna have an archeologist come in here 674 00:38:31,101 --> 00:38:33,966 and every time you open a grave, he's gonna look at it 675 00:38:34,001 --> 00:38:35,485 to find out if it's previously occupied. 676 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,936 - [Narrator] Phil DiBlasi began his investigation 677 00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:41,733 of Eastern and Greenwood Cemeteries in July of 1989, 678 00:38:41,767 --> 00:38:43,700 digging up about two graves a day, 679 00:38:43,735 --> 00:38:46,427 usually side by side with Jim Caldwell and Bob Allen. 680 00:38:46,462 --> 00:38:50,051 By November DiBlasi reported checking about 70 sites 681 00:38:50,086 --> 00:38:52,019 and only a few failed to produce remains 682 00:38:52,053 --> 00:38:53,503 from previous burials. 683 00:38:53,538 --> 00:38:58,094 - [Phil] As we were digging the grave for Esther C Nelson, 684 00:38:59,923 --> 00:39:03,375 we encountered the pelvic region 685 00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:06,033 and lower extremities of individual one. 686 00:39:06,067 --> 00:39:08,898 - [Narrator] In one case at a family member's request, 687 00:39:08,932 --> 00:39:12,591 the remains of Jesse W Melson and Ivy Irene DeSpain 688 00:39:12,626 --> 00:39:14,041 were disinterred and identified 689 00:39:14,075 --> 00:39:16,733 for relocation to another cemetery. 690 00:39:16,768 --> 00:39:18,873 During the excavation of the grave, 691 00:39:18,908 --> 00:39:21,945 remains of more than a dozen previous burials were found. 692 00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:25,639 - We have individuals, these are all, 693 00:39:25,673 --> 00:39:28,918 the 10 of these that we've indicated here 694 00:39:28,952 --> 00:39:33,198 are John or Jane Doe, they were buried prior to 1870. 695 00:39:33,232 --> 00:39:36,235 The individuals I'm going to point out now 696 00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:38,237 are individuals who are on the modern grid. 697 00:39:38,272 --> 00:39:40,930 - [Narrator] The re-designation of cemetery sections 698 00:39:40,964 --> 00:39:43,450 is clear as the modern burials face the road, 699 00:39:43,484 --> 00:39:46,245 but the ancient burials are facing east 700 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,455 in continuity with Christian burial traditions 701 00:39:48,489 --> 00:39:50,008 in the 19th century. 702 00:39:50,042 --> 00:39:51,768 - There are approximately, 703 00:39:51,803 --> 00:39:54,909 well at first there was intended to be 704 00:39:54,944 --> 00:39:56,635 and for a while was maintained 705 00:39:56,670 --> 00:40:00,536 a Perpetual Care Fund by the cemetery, 706 00:40:00,570 --> 00:40:04,056 that Perpetual Care Fund I am informed by witnesses, 707 00:40:04,091 --> 00:40:05,644 who are prepared here to testify, 708 00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:10,684 but will do so by affidavit, is about $100,000 short. 709 00:40:11,892 --> 00:40:14,446 Now the nature of a Perpetual Care Fund 710 00:40:14,481 --> 00:40:18,899 is that when one purchases a burial site in the cemetery, 711 00:40:20,107 --> 00:40:22,385 a certain portion of that purchase price 712 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:24,594 goes to setting up a fund, 713 00:40:24,629 --> 00:40:27,873 that theoretically the interest and income from that fund 714 00:40:27,908 --> 00:40:29,668 over the years will be sufficient 715 00:40:29,703 --> 00:40:33,396 to maintain cutting the grass in the cemetery 716 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:35,191 and even maintain it in the years 717 00:40:35,225 --> 00:40:37,780 after the cemetery becomes full. 718 00:40:37,814 --> 00:40:40,921 - [Narrator] The Perpetual Care Fund for Eastern Cemetery 719 00:40:40,955 --> 00:40:44,649 was estimated to be missing over $117,000, 720 00:40:44,683 --> 00:40:47,721 which by law was to be used for the upkeep of graves, 721 00:40:47,755 --> 00:40:50,551 monuments and cemetery grounds. 722 00:40:50,586 --> 00:40:52,967 The cemetery had also been illegally charging 723 00:40:53,002 --> 00:40:54,728 family members for annual care, 724 00:40:54,762 --> 00:40:57,800 although these services were never rendered. 725 00:40:57,834 --> 00:40:59,491 - You shouldn't have to do that, 726 00:40:59,526 --> 00:41:04,254 if the money is being put into the Trust Fund 727 00:41:04,289 --> 00:41:06,360 like it should have been, 728 00:41:06,394 --> 00:41:08,500 there wouldn't be a need to charge the family 729 00:41:08,535 --> 00:41:10,398 or whether it was legal or not, 730 00:41:10,433 --> 00:41:14,575 probably not to charge these families $50 a year, 731 00:41:14,610 --> 00:41:17,751 75, $100 a year to maintain their graves. 732 00:41:17,785 --> 00:41:20,892 - [Narrator] After building Kentucky's first crematory, 733 00:41:20,926 --> 00:41:23,204 Eastern Cemetery held a monopoly on the cremation business 734 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,483 throughout the 20th century. 735 00:41:25,517 --> 00:41:28,037 On August the 8th, 1966 736 00:41:28,071 --> 00:41:29,832 the University of Louisville Medical School 737 00:41:29,866 --> 00:41:32,006 sent over several cadavers for cremation 738 00:41:32,041 --> 00:41:35,803 and by the 1980s, Eastern Cemetery was solely responsible 739 00:41:35,838 --> 00:41:39,255 for all medical waste cremations from U of L. 740 00:41:39,289 --> 00:41:41,326 - We received bodies every year, 741 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,363 if you donate your body to the Medical School, 742 00:41:44,398 --> 00:41:46,573 they use your body for science, 743 00:41:46,607 --> 00:41:48,851 after a year your body is cremated 744 00:41:48,885 --> 00:41:51,060 and it is returned to the family, 745 00:41:51,094 --> 00:41:53,614 that is what is supposed to happen. 746 00:41:53,649 --> 00:41:56,237 - Jim Caldwell was upset 747 00:41:56,272 --> 00:41:59,758 with the way the med schools 748 00:41:59,793 --> 00:42:01,795 were treating the human remains 749 00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:04,073 that were coming in for cremation. 750 00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:11,425 There were 20 or 30 sets of remains at a time, 751 00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:15,153 they were supposed to come back 752 00:42:15,187 --> 00:42:17,362 in individual boxes and individual 753 00:42:17,396 --> 00:42:22,298 and I understand that they were coming back kind of mixed. 754 00:42:22,332 --> 00:42:25,232 - The year that we got bodies over there, 755 00:42:25,266 --> 00:42:29,857 a body came out of the box, the box it was sent over in, 756 00:42:31,031 --> 00:42:34,655 that box, Bob Allen came up and got me 757 00:42:34,690 --> 00:42:37,002 and he said, "We have a problem." 758 00:42:37,037 --> 00:42:41,766 When I went downstairs there were probably in that box 759 00:42:43,043 --> 00:42:46,011 five heads, 22 toes 760 00:42:47,495 --> 00:42:50,913 and 18 mice in one box. 761 00:42:50,947 --> 00:42:53,709 - They were cremating, they were accused of cremating 762 00:42:53,743 --> 00:42:55,918 more than one body at the same time, 763 00:42:55,952 --> 00:43:00,301 so technically if you cremate 764 00:43:00,336 --> 00:43:01,717 parts of two or three people 765 00:43:03,166 --> 00:43:08,033 from a med school medical waste as one, 766 00:43:08,068 --> 00:43:09,587 is that breaking the law? 767 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,899 - And I said stop what we're doing, 768 00:43:11,934 --> 00:43:14,039 I'm calling the Attorney General's Office, 769 00:43:14,074 --> 00:43:15,972 finding out what we need to do. 770 00:43:16,939 --> 00:43:18,078 Jim Caldwell had to come over, 771 00:43:18,112 --> 00:43:20,149 we had to open each and every box, 772 00:43:20,183 --> 00:43:22,254 because each body is supposed to be returned 773 00:43:22,289 --> 00:43:24,015 to the family, a whole body, 774 00:43:24,049 --> 00:43:28,640 in one of the boxes we found probably 15 babies, 775 00:43:31,470 --> 00:43:32,955 that had notes on the box, 776 00:43:32,989 --> 00:43:36,510 these babies were no doubt over 365 grams, 777 00:43:36,544 --> 00:43:40,100 they were not abortions, all of them were babies 778 00:43:40,134 --> 00:43:42,067 that should've had proper burials. 779 00:43:43,517 --> 00:43:47,038 It was declared that everything in those boxes were okay, 780 00:43:47,072 --> 00:43:48,729 basically the Attorney General's Office 781 00:43:48,764 --> 00:43:50,386 did not in any way, shape or form 782 00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:53,216 wanna take on the University of Louisville Medical School. 783 00:43:53,251 --> 00:43:56,081 - [Narrator] Over the course of the investigation, 784 00:43:56,116 --> 00:43:58,359 cemetery workers told Jim Caldwell 785 00:43:58,394 --> 00:43:59,982 that about 70 infants' bodies 786 00:44:00,016 --> 00:44:02,536 were buried less than a foot beneath the surface 787 00:44:02,570 --> 00:44:04,814 in section 19 or Babyland. 788 00:44:06,298 --> 00:44:10,613 - And a couple of times I was told to come to court 789 00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:14,686 to testify about Baby ground, Babyland, some other thing. 790 00:44:14,721 --> 00:44:19,449 I get down there, no, no, no, they don't need you, 791 00:44:19,484 --> 00:44:21,831 you know, we're not gonna get that for that spot, 792 00:44:21,866 --> 00:44:24,282 we're not gonna get there, 793 00:44:24,316 --> 00:44:26,180 you know, it's like they don't wanna hear it, man, 794 00:44:26,215 --> 00:44:28,044 you know, they don't wanna hear it. 795 00:44:29,183 --> 00:44:31,082 - Babyland as we call it, section 19, 796 00:44:32,255 --> 00:44:34,844 there are several babies buried there, 797 00:44:34,879 --> 00:44:37,329 a lot of them still don't have tombstones, 798 00:44:37,364 --> 00:44:40,332 they still have just the classic pieces of paper 799 00:44:42,749 --> 00:44:45,268 and a lot of those babies were buried 800 00:44:46,891 --> 00:44:50,377 maybe nine inches deep, maybe 12 inches deep. 801 00:44:50,411 --> 00:44:52,482 - [Narrator] Caldwell found that infants 802 00:44:52,517 --> 00:44:54,588 were routinely buried in wooden containers 803 00:44:54,622 --> 00:44:56,452 constructed of one inch pine boards 804 00:44:56,486 --> 00:44:57,867 and the identified graves 805 00:44:57,902 --> 00:45:00,559 ranged from 10 to 24 inches in depth. 806 00:45:02,009 --> 00:45:05,461 - I did a disinterment there and literally took my trowel 807 00:45:05,495 --> 00:45:08,291 and scraped the grass off and hit the lid 808 00:45:08,326 --> 00:45:11,950 of the wooden box the stillborn was buried in. 809 00:45:11,985 --> 00:45:15,713 - [Beth] The babies were absolutely, 810 00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,097 I actually have pictures of one baby 811 00:45:21,132 --> 00:45:23,928 and like I said, that was put into a jar 812 00:45:23,962 --> 00:45:28,484 and put into a grave maybe nine inches deep. 813 00:45:28,518 --> 00:45:30,969 - I made a couple of burials back there, 814 00:45:32,005 --> 00:45:34,352 all of us did, Ronnie did some, 815 00:45:34,386 --> 00:45:36,872 JR's done some, I done a couple, 816 00:45:36,906 --> 00:45:40,565 but I know one I did when I was digging the grave, 817 00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:44,258 because the little baby grave you dig by hand with a shovel, 818 00:45:44,293 --> 00:45:49,160 you know, 'cause you're usually gonna go one by two, 819 00:45:49,194 --> 00:45:53,302 one foot wide and two foot long, maybe two foot deep, 820 00:45:53,336 --> 00:45:55,925 a foot and a half, two foot deep, 821 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,514 but when I dug, I didn't get that far, 822 00:45:58,548 --> 00:46:02,518 when I hit a leg bone, pretty good size femur 823 00:46:03,899 --> 00:46:06,453 and I just stopped right there, I said no, this is it, man, 824 00:46:06,487 --> 00:46:08,835 I stopped and I went to get Charlie, you know, 825 00:46:08,869 --> 00:46:10,664 I said you ain't got that far to walk, 826 00:46:10,698 --> 00:46:12,045 come out there and take a look, 827 00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:14,910 so he walked down, he looked, he said, "Pick it up, 828 00:46:16,325 --> 00:46:18,637 "finish digging the grave deep enough to get by 829 00:46:18,672 --> 00:46:20,778 "and put that back in there on the bottom." 830 00:46:21,986 --> 00:46:25,230 [somber melodic music] 831 00:46:31,271 --> 00:46:33,894 - [Narrator] Addah Herdt, a longtime member 832 00:46:33,929 --> 00:46:35,516 of Christ United Church accepted a seat 833 00:46:35,551 --> 00:46:38,450 on the Board of Directors in 1974 834 00:46:38,485 --> 00:46:40,452 and in 1980 took a full time job 835 00:46:40,487 --> 00:46:42,523 as office manager at Eastern Cemetery. 836 00:46:42,558 --> 00:46:44,284 Addah's daily responsibilities 837 00:46:44,318 --> 00:46:46,113 included sales of burial monuments 838 00:46:46,148 --> 00:46:48,944 and billing for the annual and lifetime care plans. 839 00:46:48,978 --> 00:46:51,739 - I had a lady that came to my hospital room 840 00:46:51,774 --> 00:46:54,846 and offered to "Take care of it," as she put it 841 00:46:54,881 --> 00:46:58,850 and at that point I'd had a really terrible delivery. 842 00:46:58,885 --> 00:47:01,266 So I was just at a loss what to do, 843 00:47:01,301 --> 00:47:04,891 so I let her take care of it, take care of the burial 844 00:47:06,754 --> 00:47:08,308 and I can still see her face today, 845 00:47:08,342 --> 00:47:11,483 'cause I think she knew what was happening down there. 846 00:47:11,518 --> 00:47:13,831 - [Narrator] In the mid-1980s, 847 00:47:13,865 --> 00:47:16,730 Addah Herdt began soliciting the mothers of stillborn babies 848 00:47:16,764 --> 00:47:18,939 while still recovering in their hospital rooms 849 00:47:18,974 --> 00:47:21,631 offering them closure through the burial of their child 850 00:47:21,666 --> 00:47:24,703 at Eastern Cemetery for the very reasonable cost of $75. 851 00:47:25,981 --> 00:47:27,499 She would sit bedside 852 00:47:27,534 --> 00:47:30,917 and write out the bill of sale on a hospital napkin. 853 00:47:30,951 --> 00:47:33,954 - Well, she came down as a representative of Eastern 854 00:47:33,989 --> 00:47:35,922 and so she just came in the room and said, 855 00:47:35,956 --> 00:47:37,440 you know, she did the normal, "I'm sorry what happened," 856 00:47:37,475 --> 00:47:38,994 blah blah blah and then said, 857 00:47:39,028 --> 00:47:41,928 "For $75 we can take care of the burial," 858 00:47:41,962 --> 00:47:44,862 and at that point, like I said I had a rough delivery 859 00:47:44,896 --> 00:47:49,038 and I didn't know what to do, so I let her 860 00:47:49,073 --> 00:47:52,662 and as soon as I was able to, I went down there, 861 00:47:52,697 --> 00:47:55,182 to where I thought he was buried. 862 00:47:55,217 --> 00:47:59,014 - Because she had talked to this lady for a couple of hours 863 00:47:59,048 --> 00:48:02,638 and shared the most intimate details of her life 864 00:48:02,672 --> 00:48:05,675 with this woman who seemed to be so nice and caring, 865 00:48:05,710 --> 00:48:10,715 to sit there and listen, that you know, 866 00:48:12,959 --> 00:48:15,996 I mean, who would fake something like that? 867 00:48:16,031 --> 00:48:19,827 Who would make up that stuff to deceive you? 868 00:48:19,862 --> 00:48:23,521 Who would act like that and have an ulterior motive, 869 00:48:23,555 --> 00:48:25,833 when you've just been through so much. 870 00:48:27,214 --> 00:48:31,218 The people of the Louisville Cemetery Crematory Incorporated 871 00:48:31,253 --> 00:48:34,912 would, that's who would, that's who did 872 00:48:36,396 --> 00:48:41,159 and because of that, she chose to have her baby buried there 873 00:48:42,367 --> 00:48:44,714 and felt good about it for a very short time. 874 00:48:47,372 --> 00:48:51,411 Needless to say when she stopped going, 875 00:48:51,445 --> 00:48:54,966 because she heard of what happened there. 876 00:48:55,001 --> 00:48:56,485 - I saw it on the news 877 00:48:59,971 --> 00:49:03,768 and I thought that nightmare of a delivery just got worse 878 00:49:05,804 --> 00:49:08,083 and that was my first thought, 879 00:49:08,117 --> 00:49:13,053 that this nightmare, it just became worse. 880 00:49:13,088 --> 00:49:14,952 - Who in the hell takes advantage 881 00:49:14,986 --> 00:49:17,920 of a person in that situation? 882 00:49:20,026 --> 00:49:23,857 I mean, what's wrong with somebody that, 883 00:49:25,479 --> 00:49:28,931 and not even somebody, a business, 884 00:49:28,966 --> 00:49:32,762 I mean, it was their practice, 885 00:49:32,797 --> 00:49:34,868 that's how they conducted their business 886 00:49:34,902 --> 00:49:38,147 by preying on people like her, 887 00:49:39,977 --> 00:49:42,565 who every single one of them is gonna be going through 888 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,809 one of the hardest times of their lives. 889 00:49:44,843 --> 00:49:47,639 - My big thing was just not being able to go down there 890 00:49:47,674 --> 00:49:51,195 and I also just felt like a fool for a long time, 891 00:49:51,229 --> 00:49:54,439 thinking I've been going down there and who's there, 892 00:49:54,474 --> 00:49:56,269 if anyone and it just felt dirty. 893 00:49:59,237 --> 00:50:01,032 - [Narrator] After the news 894 00:50:01,067 --> 00:50:03,724 of the over burial of Eastern Cemetery broke, 895 00:50:03,759 --> 00:50:05,830 the families of those resting there were outraged. 896 00:50:05,864 --> 00:50:08,764 Attorney General, Fred Cowan said more than 200 people 897 00:50:08,798 --> 00:50:10,800 called to file complaints or seek information 898 00:50:10,835 --> 00:50:12,768 within the first week of the indictment. 899 00:50:12,802 --> 00:50:14,459 - You have to understand, 900 00:50:14,494 --> 00:50:17,945 you had hundreds and thousands of family members 901 00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:21,742 coming up wanting to know once this broke news, 902 00:50:21,777 --> 00:50:23,779 is my family buried with somebody else? 903 00:50:23,813 --> 00:50:25,781 Is my grave still available? 904 00:50:25,815 --> 00:50:27,403 No, your grave's not available, 905 00:50:27,438 --> 00:50:29,060 your grave's not available, 906 00:50:29,095 --> 00:50:31,890 because there's probably 13 people in your grave also 907 00:50:31,925 --> 00:50:34,307 and do you get a refund on this? 908 00:50:34,341 --> 00:50:35,860 No, you don't, 909 00:50:35,894 --> 00:50:38,690 the cemetery doesn't have any money to pay you back. 910 00:50:38,725 --> 00:50:41,693 Oh well, I'm gonna move my husband out of, 911 00:50:41,728 --> 00:50:43,074 okay, well, you can do that, 912 00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:45,697 but you have to pay an archeologist 913 00:50:45,732 --> 00:50:48,286 or an investigator to identify the body, 914 00:50:48,321 --> 00:50:51,565 plus you have to buy a grave in another cemetery. 915 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,845 - We were out in the cemetery doing an exhumation 916 00:50:57,019 --> 00:50:59,884 and this pick up truck came and somebody, 917 00:50:59,918 --> 00:51:01,748 one of the crew members from the cemetery 918 00:51:01,782 --> 00:51:04,820 realized who it was, this guy pulls up, 919 00:51:04,854 --> 00:51:08,410 sticks a double barrel shotgun out the window at us 920 00:51:08,444 --> 00:51:12,552 at which point everybody is kind of like diving for cover 921 00:51:14,140 --> 00:51:16,245 and he said he wanted to know where the boys were, 922 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,352 where his children were and then he drove off. 923 00:51:39,130 --> 00:51:43,790 - [Bob] When we were still working and cremating people, 924 00:51:43,824 --> 00:51:45,274 I had to lock the front door, 925 00:51:45,309 --> 00:51:47,276 them girls left, they couldn't take it no more, 926 00:51:47,311 --> 00:51:49,347 I mean, the phone calls were unreal, 927 00:51:49,382 --> 00:51:51,832 threats, threats, people beating on the doors, 928 00:51:51,867 --> 00:51:54,180 that the only thing they'd know 929 00:51:54,214 --> 00:51:55,595 is what they'd read in the paper, 930 00:51:55,629 --> 00:51:58,529 they didn't know that I'm still there, 931 00:51:58,563 --> 00:52:00,738 Beth's still there, Barbara's still there 932 00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,224 trying to keep the place going, I mean, why, I don't know, 933 00:52:04,259 --> 00:52:05,846 because there was no future for it, 934 00:52:05,881 --> 00:52:08,159 but I just felt obligated. 935 00:52:08,194 --> 00:52:12,301 - That's what we said, we felt an obligation 936 00:52:12,336 --> 00:52:16,961 to try to deal with these families on some sort of level. 937 00:52:16,995 --> 00:52:20,137 You had families bringing weapons up there, 938 00:52:20,171 --> 00:52:21,724 they might also have told you that, 939 00:52:21,759 --> 00:52:25,003 but you had families bringing weapons up, they were angry, 940 00:52:25,038 --> 00:52:28,628 I certainly would be, if it had happened to me, 941 00:52:28,662 --> 00:52:31,424 my father's dead and buried 942 00:52:31,458 --> 00:52:34,668 and they were very angry and they were very frustrated 943 00:52:34,703 --> 00:52:38,707 and there was not any answers we could give them, 944 00:52:38,741 --> 00:52:41,296 the Attorney General's Office didn't wanna talk to them, 945 00:52:41,330 --> 00:52:44,575 they were sorry they had ever gotten in the middle of this, 946 00:52:44,609 --> 00:52:46,715 they were sorry any of this had ever been, 947 00:52:46,749 --> 00:52:48,372 they wished all this would just go away. 948 00:52:48,406 --> 00:52:50,684 - [Narrator] After the removal of Charles Alexander 949 00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,100 and the resignation of all the remaining Board members, 950 00:52:53,135 --> 00:52:56,380 the Cemetery Company was placed in receivership. 951 00:52:56,414 --> 00:52:58,554 In October of 1991, Beth Selch 952 00:52:58,589 --> 00:53:01,626 was appointed to oversee the company by the court 953 00:53:01,661 --> 00:53:04,629 only days after her marriage to Jim Caldwell. 954 00:53:04,664 --> 00:53:06,424 - Jim and Beth Caldwell, [laughing] 955 00:53:06,459 --> 00:53:09,289 Jim came together with Beth Selch, 956 00:53:11,947 --> 00:53:16,779 she was the secretary, she was a very becoming young lady 957 00:53:19,334 --> 00:53:20,749 and it was kind of funny, 958 00:53:20,783 --> 00:53:22,682 because you'd watch the funeral directors 959 00:53:22,716 --> 00:53:25,581 and they were all kind of sniffing around and being nice 960 00:53:25,616 --> 00:53:29,171 and bringing her coffee and stuff like this 961 00:53:29,206 --> 00:53:33,071 and then you know, these are guys that are making big bucks, 962 00:53:33,106 --> 00:53:36,282 they're driving around in great big Mercedes Benzs 963 00:53:36,316 --> 00:53:40,113 and stuff like this, but old Jim, he pulls it through, 964 00:53:40,147 --> 00:53:41,252 he ends up marrying her. 965 00:53:41,287 --> 00:53:43,081 - And when I went to court, 966 00:53:44,290 --> 00:53:47,293 I had gotten married and of course that was, 967 00:53:48,466 --> 00:53:51,504 it was gonna be not that good of news anymore, 968 00:53:51,538 --> 00:53:52,919 because I had actually married Jim 969 00:53:52,953 --> 00:53:55,370 and it wasn't the illicit affair 970 00:53:55,404 --> 00:53:57,958 that they were trying to say we were having 971 00:53:59,408 --> 00:54:02,204 and Judge John said and I will never forget this, 972 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,862 I went in and he said "Okay, Miss Selch, 973 00:54:04,896 --> 00:54:06,657 "I'm gonna ask, I've had a name change," 974 00:54:06,691 --> 00:54:09,349 and you heard 22 attorneys actually be quiet. 975 00:54:09,384 --> 00:54:11,144 - [Narrator] Jim Caldwell resigned 976 00:54:11,178 --> 00:54:12,525 from the Attorney General's Office 977 00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:14,768 under pressure from his superiors 978 00:54:14,803 --> 00:54:18,047 after the investigation of Eastern Cemetery. 979 00:54:18,082 --> 00:54:20,187 He began working alongside Beth 980 00:54:20,222 --> 00:54:23,018 positively identifying dozens of bodies disinterred 981 00:54:23,052 --> 00:54:27,091 by concerned family members for burial in other cemeteries. 982 00:54:27,125 --> 00:54:28,334 - Yes, sir? 983 00:54:32,786 --> 00:54:35,306 - I did not realize until relatively recently 984 00:54:35,341 --> 00:54:36,583 the number of disinternments, 985 00:54:36,618 --> 00:54:39,068 that Jim was involved with after I had left. 986 00:54:40,898 --> 00:54:45,903 He was in quotes positively identifying individuals 987 00:54:47,007 --> 00:54:48,250 and I find that extremely disturbing, 988 00:54:48,285 --> 00:54:49,769 I don't think he was capable of doing it. 989 00:54:49,803 --> 00:54:51,667 - [Narrator] Unable to sell any more graves 990 00:54:51,702 --> 00:54:54,360 and with the cremation business rapidly declining, 991 00:54:54,394 --> 00:54:57,708 Beth couldn't maintain adequate funds to upkeep the grounds, 992 00:54:57,742 --> 00:55:00,607 compensate employees or pay utility bills. 993 00:55:00,642 --> 00:55:02,644 Finally in 1992 the gas and electric 994 00:55:02,678 --> 00:55:04,542 were shut off for the final time 995 00:55:04,577 --> 00:55:07,338 and Beth Caldwell stepped down as receiver. 996 00:55:07,373 --> 00:55:10,134 - [Bob] Me and Jim was trying to do everything we could, 997 00:55:10,168 --> 00:55:11,446 I was trying to run the backhoe, 998 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,068 he was trying to watch for me 999 00:55:14,276 --> 00:55:15,795 and it just got to the point, 1000 00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:17,969 where I mean, I went back to the office 1001 00:55:18,004 --> 00:55:20,662 and one of the funeral directors from Indiana called, 1002 00:55:20,696 --> 00:55:25,701 gonna bring a body over and Beth said he'll be here shortly, 1003 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,255 I said okay, I'll go down and open the door. 1004 00:55:28,290 --> 00:55:31,051 Well, they turned the gas off 1005 00:55:31,086 --> 00:55:33,053 and they turned the electric off, 1006 00:55:34,227 --> 00:55:36,022 so the dude shows up to the back door 1007 00:55:36,056 --> 00:55:37,264 and I go up and tell her, I said, 1008 00:55:37,299 --> 00:55:38,818 well, we're not gonna do nothing, I said, 1009 00:55:38,852 --> 00:55:42,269 'cause I can't get the door open, we don't have no electric 1010 00:55:43,167 --> 00:55:45,790 and we don't have no gas. 1011 00:55:45,825 --> 00:55:49,449 The only thing I regret to this day, 1012 00:55:49,484 --> 00:55:51,417 I mean, that place took a toll on me, 1013 00:55:51,451 --> 00:55:52,970 I mean, when I went to work up there, 1014 00:55:53,004 --> 00:55:55,938 I had blond hair and when I left there I had gray hair. 1015 00:55:55,973 --> 00:56:00,564 Threats, the people treating you like a dog, 1016 00:56:00,598 --> 00:56:02,600 you know, we turned into the criminals, 1017 00:56:02,635 --> 00:56:07,640 you know, we stayed to help and the criminals walked free. 1018 00:56:08,744 --> 00:56:11,057 - [Narrator] On August the 26th, 1991, 1019 00:56:11,091 --> 00:56:14,025 the criminal case against Clifford Amos, Robert Copley 1020 00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:16,200 and Charles Alexander was dismissed 1021 00:56:16,234 --> 00:56:20,169 after finishing a six-month pre-trial diversion program. 1022 00:56:20,204 --> 00:56:22,033 As part of the conditions, the three men were 1023 00:56:22,068 --> 00:56:24,622 to no longer be employed by the Cemetery Company, 1024 00:56:24,657 --> 00:56:27,107 nor participate in its operations. 1025 00:56:27,142 --> 00:56:29,144 Defense lawyers have contended that Caldwell 1026 00:56:29,178 --> 00:56:32,630 first came to Eastern Cemetery in May 1989 1027 00:56:32,665 --> 00:56:33,873 without a search warrant 1028 00:56:33,907 --> 00:56:36,841 and intentionally misled cemetery staff. 1029 00:56:36,876 --> 00:56:40,258 Much of the evidence and testimony was deemed inadmissible, 1030 00:56:40,293 --> 00:56:42,399 because Caldwell had been led on to the grounds 1031 00:56:42,433 --> 00:56:46,230 before business hours by cemetery worker, Bob Allen. 1032 00:56:46,264 --> 00:56:48,750 Over $100,000 in cemetery funds 1033 00:56:48,784 --> 00:56:50,890 was paid in legal fees for the defense 1034 00:56:50,924 --> 00:56:53,306 leaving nothing to compensate victims 1035 00:56:53,340 --> 00:56:56,758 in a class action lawsuit against the Cemetery Company. 1036 00:56:56,792 --> 00:56:59,312 A statement issued by the Attorney General's Office 1037 00:56:59,346 --> 00:57:00,555 expressed that the prosecution 1038 00:57:00,589 --> 00:57:02,315 agreed to resolve the criminal case 1039 00:57:02,349 --> 00:57:05,076 not because of the challenge to Caldwell's methods, 1040 00:57:05,111 --> 00:57:06,906 but because the defendants were elderly 1041 00:57:06,940 --> 00:57:09,253 and had never been in trouble before. 1042 00:57:10,806 --> 00:57:14,983 - You know, his life was solid, 1043 00:57:15,017 --> 00:57:17,468 he was just this solid person, 1044 00:57:17,503 --> 00:57:21,886 who believed in doing the right thing, not the wrong thing 1045 00:57:21,921 --> 00:57:25,476 and there was no motive for him to do the wrong thing 1046 00:57:25,511 --> 00:57:28,790 and that's why I still believe that he was innocent 1047 00:57:29,894 --> 00:57:31,827 of wrongdoing in this scenario, 1048 00:57:31,862 --> 00:57:33,380 where wrong things were done. 1049 00:58:42,449 --> 00:58:45,694 [somber melodic music] 1050 00:58:55,704 --> 00:58:57,154 - The Attorney General's Office 1051 00:58:57,188 --> 00:59:00,226 didn't fully disclose what they were there to do, 1052 00:59:01,710 --> 00:59:03,678 therefore they were there under false pretenses, 1053 00:59:03,712 --> 00:59:05,472 which made all of the evidence 1054 00:59:05,507 --> 00:59:08,890 and everything else worthless. 1055 00:59:08,924 --> 00:59:11,168 - When the indictment come down, 1056 00:59:11,202 --> 00:59:13,239 they were taken out of there, 1057 00:59:13,273 --> 00:59:15,759 they hired Frank Haddad's law firm, 1058 00:59:15,793 --> 00:59:18,140 I think they used cemetery money 1059 00:59:18,175 --> 00:59:19,832 and they walked 'em through the book 1060 00:59:19,866 --> 00:59:21,730 and they didn't even stay in jail, 1061 00:59:21,765 --> 00:59:23,905 you know, they walked 'em out of it 1062 00:59:23,939 --> 00:59:27,978 and I thought no, this is not right, it's not right, 1063 00:59:28,012 --> 00:59:32,258 they're gonna walk and nothing's going to be done. 1064 00:59:32,292 --> 00:59:35,019 - We went through all of the legal machinations, 1065 00:59:35,054 --> 00:59:36,573 all the pre-trial hearings, 1066 00:59:36,607 --> 00:59:39,506 we were ready for the trial date, we met, 1067 00:59:39,541 --> 00:59:42,164 I was there because I was expected to testify 1068 00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:45,616 every time the trial date was 1069 00:59:45,651 --> 00:59:47,929 turned out to be a pre-trial hearing 1070 00:59:47,963 --> 00:59:52,968 in which the judge ripped the AG's Office a new asshole 1071 00:59:54,418 --> 00:59:58,525 and explained to them what a warrant to search was 1072 00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,908 and threw the entire case out the window. 1073 01:00:01,943 --> 01:00:04,048 - They did, they had an excellent attorney 1074 01:00:05,187 --> 01:00:06,672 and they had money 1075 01:00:06,706 --> 01:00:10,848 and when they were actually charged with the crimes, 1076 01:00:10,883 --> 01:00:13,402 they walked through the jail system, 1077 01:00:13,437 --> 01:00:14,714 but never spent one minute, 1078 01:00:14,749 --> 01:00:18,304 they didn't even have to be bonded out of jail 1079 01:00:18,338 --> 01:00:19,892 and never paid back one penny, never, 1080 01:00:19,926 --> 01:00:22,688 nothing ever happened to them, nothing. 1081 01:01:28,477 --> 01:01:30,963 - They went on just forever asking questions, 1082 01:01:32,412 --> 01:01:34,449 just trying to get anything they could 1083 01:01:34,483 --> 01:01:37,832 to where this would go away in the court and it did. 1084 01:01:39,488 --> 01:01:41,352 The three men charged with these crimes, 1085 01:01:41,387 --> 01:01:43,561 Mr. Amos, Mr. Copley and Mr. Alexander 1086 01:01:43,596 --> 01:01:45,046 never spent one day in jail, 1087 01:01:46,047 --> 01:01:47,600 not one day. 1088 01:01:47,634 --> 01:01:49,567 - [Bob] I don't know what was going on, 1089 01:01:49,602 --> 01:01:51,984 but somebody was covering up something, 1090 01:01:52,018 --> 01:01:56,920 because they had Beth and Barbara do a sworn deposition, 1091 01:01:57,817 --> 01:01:59,543 them girls worked in the office, 1092 01:01:59,577 --> 01:02:01,890 they handled the books and stuff and answered the phone, 1093 01:02:01,925 --> 01:02:03,133 they wasn't out on the ground, 1094 01:02:03,167 --> 01:02:04,651 they didn't see them bones in a grave, 1095 01:02:04,686 --> 01:02:07,896 they didn't see people getting dug through and pounded on. 1096 01:02:07,931 --> 01:02:11,175 They didn't once through the whole investigation 1097 01:02:11,210 --> 01:02:15,524 get me, Ronnie or JR on a sworn deposition. 1098 01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:18,320 Finally I told 'em, I said I want a meeting 1099 01:02:18,355 --> 01:02:19,908 with the Attorney General's Office, 1100 01:02:19,943 --> 01:02:23,705 I said I wanna find out why this is going on, 1101 01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:26,673 you know, I think if they did not want 1102 01:02:26,708 --> 01:02:30,436 us from the ground crew to tell, 1103 01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:33,784 because they done knew where that case was going, 1104 01:02:33,819 --> 01:02:35,234 they knew it wasn't gonna go nowheres, 1105 01:02:35,268 --> 01:02:38,375 you know, they're gonna shaft Jim Caldwell and they did, 1106 01:02:38,409 --> 01:02:40,170 because he come in there without a search warrant, 1107 01:02:40,204 --> 01:02:43,414 they hammered on him, hammered on him, finally he resigned. 1108 01:02:45,762 --> 01:02:47,280 [somber melodic music] 1109 01:02:47,315 --> 01:02:49,973 - Okay, yes sir, you've been trying to get a word in. 1110 01:03:59,111 --> 01:04:02,252 [somber melodic music] 1111 01:04:09,604 --> 01:04:11,986 - One day I was at Greenwood Cemetery 1112 01:04:12,020 --> 01:04:15,023 and this gentleman walks up and he says, 1113 01:04:15,058 --> 01:04:19,821 "I'm Maurice Phillips, I'm the overseer of this cemetery," 1114 01:04:19,856 --> 01:04:22,030 and it kind of raised a red flag with me 1115 01:04:22,065 --> 01:04:24,032 and I said well, what are you overseeing? 1116 01:04:24,067 --> 01:04:26,000 This is the first time I've ever laid eyes on you 1117 01:04:26,034 --> 01:04:28,036 and he says, "Oh well, I appreciate everything 1118 01:04:28,071 --> 01:04:29,762 "you all are doing down here, 1119 01:04:29,796 --> 01:04:33,145 "this helps us stretch the money a little bit further," 1120 01:04:33,179 --> 01:04:34,905 and I said what money? 1121 01:04:34,940 --> 01:04:37,149 And he said, "Oh, I get money from the state 1122 01:04:37,183 --> 01:04:40,048 "to maintain the cemetery, as I'm the overseer." 1123 01:04:40,083 --> 01:04:42,154 - He had this old beat up Dodge van, 1124 01:04:43,603 --> 01:04:47,366 he would go and pick up the guys from different charities, 1125 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,092 at that time they were using 1126 01:04:49,126 --> 01:04:52,405 Eastern Cemetery equipment to mow the cemetery. 1127 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,511 - And I question where was the money going, 1128 01:04:54,545 --> 01:04:57,548 because we were using volunteer labor, 1129 01:04:57,583 --> 01:05:01,380 we were using money from my discretionary account 1130 01:05:01,414 --> 01:05:04,659 at City Hall to maintain the equipment, 1131 01:05:04,693 --> 01:05:06,316 so where was the money going? 1132 01:05:06,350 --> 01:05:08,145 And so I started asking questions 1133 01:05:08,180 --> 01:05:11,562 and I really didn't like the answers I was getting. 1134 01:05:11,597 --> 01:05:15,256 - I know he was accused of mismanaging money, 1135 01:05:15,290 --> 01:05:17,258 I thought it was small potatoes, 1136 01:05:17,292 --> 01:05:20,433 I thought it was maybe three or $4,000, 1137 01:05:20,468 --> 01:05:24,472 I hear now that the numbers were much larger than that. 1138 01:05:24,506 --> 01:05:26,612 - [Narrator] In the Spring of 1997, 1139 01:05:26,646 --> 01:05:28,545 the court appointed Maurice Phillips 1140 01:05:28,579 --> 01:05:29,856 receiver over the three cemeteries, 1141 01:05:29,891 --> 01:05:32,204 which had been abandoned for nearly five years 1142 01:05:32,238 --> 01:05:34,896 since the resignation of Beth Caldwell. 1143 01:05:34,931 --> 01:05:38,244 In March of 1998 Maurice Phillips had tons of dirt 1144 01:05:38,279 --> 01:05:40,937 and construction debris dumped on about a quarter acre 1145 01:05:40,971 --> 01:05:42,939 of marked and unmarked graves 1146 01:05:42,973 --> 01:05:45,700 in section four of Eastern Cemetery. 1147 01:05:45,734 --> 01:05:48,427 Phillips reported he needed the dirt for filling sinkholes 1148 01:05:48,461 --> 01:05:51,050 and open grave shafts left by disinterment 1149 01:05:51,085 --> 01:05:52,603 and for grading the ground 1150 01:05:52,638 --> 01:05:55,365 where burials were too close to the surface. 1151 01:05:55,399 --> 01:05:57,298 The debris came from a condemned distillery 1152 01:05:57,332 --> 01:05:59,990 nearby on Payne Street, which was being demolished. 1153 01:06:01,095 --> 01:06:02,648 - Then we all of a sudden got a phone call 1154 01:06:02,682 --> 01:06:04,891 saying there are piles of debris, 1155 01:06:06,169 --> 01:06:07,653 it wasn't dirt, but debris, 1156 01:06:08,757 --> 01:06:11,139 so we rolled over there and there's piles 1157 01:06:11,174 --> 01:06:15,972 of rock and brick and wood and someone said, 1158 01:06:16,006 --> 01:06:17,214 "Well, we were trying to fill in 1159 01:06:17,249 --> 01:06:20,045 "where these graves have fallen in." 1160 01:06:22,185 --> 01:06:25,947 But that's garbage, you're dumping garbage here. 1161 01:06:25,982 --> 01:06:29,675 - Mo had a backhoe and he had a dump truck, 1162 01:06:33,092 --> 01:06:38,028 so he went over and talked to I guess, the contractor 1163 01:06:38,063 --> 01:06:41,583 and said, "Look, I'll haul off your dirt 1164 01:06:41,618 --> 01:06:43,965 "as you guys are doing all this construction, 1165 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,760 "I've got a place to dump it, you know, 1166 01:06:45,794 --> 01:06:47,624 "you guys give me this amount and I'll take care of it." 1167 01:06:47,658 --> 01:06:49,764 - He had somebody doing some work somewheres 1168 01:06:49,798 --> 01:06:53,009 and he was letting 'em dump over there for so much a load 1169 01:06:53,043 --> 01:06:55,563 and I understand that he was getting paid 1170 01:06:55,597 --> 01:06:57,668 per truckload that they brought in there. 1171 01:06:57,703 --> 01:07:00,430 - Well, I was getting answers that this Mr. Phillips 1172 01:07:00,464 --> 01:07:03,226 was given this money to maintain three cemeteries, 1173 01:07:03,260 --> 01:07:05,366 Eastern, Shardein and Greenwood, 1174 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,506 Shardein's a very small cemetery, 1175 01:07:07,540 --> 01:07:09,473 so it wasn't much to maintain that, 1176 01:07:09,508 --> 01:07:11,579 but Greenwood was massive and Eastern was massive. 1177 01:07:11,613 --> 01:07:15,548 When I looked at the records, I was shocked to see 1178 01:07:15,583 --> 01:07:18,241 that money was being punched out of ATMs 1179 01:07:18,275 --> 01:07:21,140 at two o'clock in the morning at 4th and Oak, 1180 01:07:21,175 --> 01:07:24,247 at one o'clock in the morning at 18th and Broadway, 1181 01:07:24,281 --> 01:07:27,077 which is why I raised a red flag 1182 01:07:27,112 --> 01:07:30,322 and said no one's cutting cemeteries that time of night, 1183 01:07:30,356 --> 01:07:32,496 something's going on with this money, 1184 01:07:32,531 --> 01:07:34,429 which then in turn led me to the Commonwealth 1185 01:07:34,464 --> 01:07:37,260 Attorney's Office to start asking questions. 1186 01:07:37,294 --> 01:07:40,573 - [Narrator] On February the 14th, 2001 1187 01:07:40,608 --> 01:07:42,368 Maurice Phillips was removed by the court 1188 01:07:42,403 --> 01:07:44,543 following allegations by the Attorney General's Office 1189 01:07:44,577 --> 01:07:46,269 that he had abandoned his duties 1190 01:07:46,303 --> 01:07:48,512 and mismanaged cemetery funds. 1191 01:07:48,547 --> 01:07:49,927 In July Phillips was indicted 1192 01:07:49,962 --> 01:07:52,137 by a Jefferson County grand jury and charged 1193 01:07:52,171 --> 01:07:55,692 with 26 counts of theft and 25 counts of forgery. 1194 01:07:55,726 --> 01:08:00,041 Between January 1999 and February 2001, 1195 01:08:00,076 --> 01:08:01,422 Phillips stole or misspent 1196 01:08:01,456 --> 01:08:05,495 at least $98,541 of cemetery money 1197 01:08:05,529 --> 01:08:07,842 making deposits in six bank accounts 1198 01:08:07,876 --> 01:08:11,432 held at L&N Credit Union by Phillips and his wife. 1199 01:08:11,466 --> 01:08:14,987 Among the alerted transfers was $19,796 1200 01:08:15,021 --> 01:08:17,300 from the State Transportation Cabinet for land 1201 01:08:17,334 --> 01:08:21,442 purchased from Shardein Cemetery to widen 7th Street Road. 1202 01:08:21,476 --> 01:08:24,134 Two of the accounts in question were closed immediately 1203 01:08:24,169 --> 01:08:25,791 after a restraining order was issued 1204 01:08:25,825 --> 01:08:27,482 to freeze Phillips' assets. 1205 01:08:29,208 --> 01:08:31,072 - I mean, I gave every bank record 1206 01:08:31,107 --> 01:08:34,040 to the Commonwealth Attorney's Office, 1207 01:08:34,075 --> 01:08:38,183 reported to him about the issue of using this crematorium. 1208 01:08:38,217 --> 01:08:41,427 We would receive phone calls over to Shardein, 1209 01:08:41,462 --> 01:08:43,498 Shardein backs up to a neighborhood, 1210 01:08:43,533 --> 01:08:46,260 we would receive phone calls in my office, 1211 01:08:46,294 --> 01:08:50,333 where they would call us and say somebody was back there 1212 01:08:50,367 --> 01:08:52,645 at two o'clock in the morning digging a grave 1213 01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:55,821 and I was like, what? 1214 01:08:55,855 --> 01:08:58,410 And we'd go out there and there would be a fresh grave, 1215 01:08:58,444 --> 01:09:01,930 so I explained to Dave Stingle what I do believe 1216 01:09:01,965 --> 01:09:03,725 is that this man is trying to run 1217 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,072 some type of cemetery business 1218 01:09:06,107 --> 01:09:09,179 and burying people and charging families for it 1219 01:09:09,214 --> 01:09:11,250 and there was not supposed to be 1220 01:09:11,285 --> 01:09:12,700 any burial in those cemeteries. 1221 01:09:12,734 --> 01:09:15,358 - [Narrator] On July the 24th, 2001 1222 01:09:15,392 --> 01:09:17,739 Phillips was booked at the Jefferson County Jail, 1223 01:09:17,774 --> 01:09:21,502 but was released on his own recognizance later that day. 1224 01:09:21,536 --> 01:09:25,195 Maurice Phillips died July the 29th, 2005 1225 01:09:25,230 --> 01:09:26,748 with no resolution to the charges 1226 01:09:26,783 --> 01:09:28,578 that had been brought against him. 1227 01:09:28,612 --> 01:09:31,201 There has been no receiver appointed by the court 1228 01:09:31,236 --> 01:09:33,134 for the three cemeteries since. 1229 01:09:50,116 --> 01:09:53,327 [somber melodic music] 1230 01:10:08,825 --> 01:10:11,966 - [Narrator] With no one left to oversee the cemetery, 1231 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,830 break ins to the chapel, garage 1232 01:10:13,864 --> 01:10:15,763 and the stone vault became frequent, 1233 01:10:15,797 --> 01:10:18,317 hundreds of gravestones were toppled over 1234 01:10:18,352 --> 01:10:20,699 and century-old monuments were destroyed. 1235 01:10:21,872 --> 01:10:24,081 Brass name plates were pried off of gravestones 1236 01:10:24,116 --> 01:10:26,118 and sold as scrap metal, 1237 01:10:26,152 --> 01:10:27,740 fires were set throughout the basement 1238 01:10:27,775 --> 01:10:30,364 and even inside the incinerators themselves. 1239 01:10:30,398 --> 01:10:32,469 - I think it was also a really convenient place 1240 01:10:32,504 --> 01:10:36,301 for teenagers in the Highlands that wanted to come party 1241 01:10:36,335 --> 01:10:38,406 and do drugs, drink, whatever they come and did, 1242 01:10:38,441 --> 01:10:42,203 because you know, 28 acres, 1243 01:10:43,618 --> 01:10:46,311 it wasn't hard to find a private, quiet little spot, 1244 01:10:46,345 --> 01:10:48,589 where nobody was gonna see them, 1245 01:10:48,623 --> 01:10:50,625 especially with the grass as tall as it was, 1246 01:10:50,660 --> 01:10:53,249 the trees and bushes as overgrown as they were. 1247 01:10:54,595 --> 01:10:56,044 - I do remember 1248 01:10:57,183 --> 01:11:01,153 seeing the broken into 1249 01:11:01,187 --> 01:11:04,881 and littered crematorium 1250 01:11:06,123 --> 01:11:09,610 and I remember seeing the vases of ashes, 1251 01:11:09,644 --> 01:11:11,750 they were scattered and that sort of thing, 1252 01:11:11,784 --> 01:11:13,096 so I do remember that 1253 01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:17,307 and I do remember hearing complaints 1254 01:11:17,342 --> 01:11:21,932 from someone like AD Porter Senior, 1255 01:11:21,967 --> 01:11:23,727 an African-American funeral director, 1256 01:11:23,762 --> 01:11:26,627 who actually lived in the neighborhood, 1257 01:11:26,661 --> 01:11:28,594 adjacent, Cherokee Triangle 1258 01:11:28,629 --> 01:11:33,634 and I do remember meeting with him as I recall 1259 01:11:34,738 --> 01:11:38,570 and always always trying to conjure up ways 1260 01:11:39,916 --> 01:11:43,126 that money and care could be provided 1261 01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,612 to what was essentially an abandoned and bankrupt cemetery. 1262 01:11:46,647 --> 01:11:48,373 - [Narrator] The chapel and offices 1263 01:11:48,407 --> 01:11:51,099 located in the back of Eastern Cemetery were broken into 1264 01:11:51,134 --> 01:11:54,655 and vandalized countless times over the following years, 1265 01:11:54,689 --> 01:11:56,001 the walls filled with graffiti 1266 01:11:56,035 --> 01:11:58,521 and the cremains stored in the columbarium 1267 01:11:58,555 --> 01:12:00,764 were stolen, dumped out or destroyed. 1268 01:12:01,903 --> 01:12:04,147 On July the 28th, 2003, 1269 01:12:04,181 --> 01:12:06,011 Professor DiBlasi petitioned the court 1270 01:12:06,045 --> 01:12:09,566 and recovered and moved 244 sets of urns, 1271 01:12:09,601 --> 01:12:12,845 some unlabeled or containing multiple sets of cremains. 1272 01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:14,882 - Phil at some point went over to the columbarium 1273 01:12:14,916 --> 01:12:17,643 and noticed that people had broken in 1274 01:12:17,678 --> 01:12:19,990 and when he walked in, 1275 01:12:20,025 --> 01:12:22,579 he went to the area where the columbarium was, 1276 01:12:22,614 --> 01:12:25,444 which the columbarium was basically 1277 01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,791 an ornate, glass shelving system 1278 01:12:29,793 --> 01:12:33,521 and people could when they had a relative cremated, 1279 01:12:33,556 --> 01:12:36,179 they had nice little bronze urns. 1280 01:12:36,213 --> 01:12:41,115 People had smashed the glass, they had gotten the urns 1281 01:12:42,496 --> 01:12:44,394 and dumped out the ashes on the floor. 1282 01:12:44,429 --> 01:12:45,982 - You know, this is her Mom, 1283 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,469 so I call her up on the telephone 1284 01:12:50,504 --> 01:12:51,919 and I'll be honest with you, 1285 01:12:51,953 --> 01:12:53,507 by the time I was done with the conversation, 1286 01:12:53,541 --> 01:12:55,336 I was crying too and I was like, 1287 01:12:55,371 --> 01:12:58,822 I'm not letting this happen again, okay. 1288 01:12:58,857 --> 01:13:00,410 So I went to the judge, 1289 01:13:00,445 --> 01:13:02,343 went to the Attorney General's Office to get a court order 1290 01:13:02,378 --> 01:13:05,381 and we brought all the cremated sets of remains here. 1291 01:13:06,451 --> 01:13:10,593 - So Phil started packing 'em up 1292 01:13:10,627 --> 01:13:14,182 and to put it in perspective, he had a full size van 1293 01:13:14,217 --> 01:13:16,702 and these little urns, 1294 01:13:16,737 --> 01:13:18,877 being that they're brass, bronze or what have you, 1295 01:13:18,911 --> 01:13:22,156 they probably weigh eight to 10 pounds, 1296 01:13:22,190 --> 01:13:24,779 the cremains inside probably weigh three pounds. 1297 01:13:26,194 --> 01:13:28,300 He loaded up the van three times completely full, 1298 01:13:28,334 --> 01:13:31,199 packed them down to U of L and unpacked 'em all in a day, 1299 01:13:31,234 --> 01:13:33,167 that's how much it meant to him, 1300 01:13:33,201 --> 01:13:35,272 that no more got dumped out. 1301 01:13:35,307 --> 01:13:37,689 These were people that he had no connection to, 1302 01:13:37,723 --> 01:13:40,692 that's just the person he is, that's how he thinks. 1303 01:13:40,726 --> 01:13:42,763 - What we had was we had a couple of dates set up 1304 01:13:42,797 --> 01:13:44,972 and they could call here and what they would do 1305 01:13:45,006 --> 01:13:47,457 is they would come in and they would sign an affidavit 1306 01:13:47,492 --> 01:13:49,459 that said they were the nearest next of kin 1307 01:13:49,494 --> 01:13:52,462 and we would get them, we would go get their ashes 1308 01:13:52,497 --> 01:13:55,223 and we would bring them out on one of the steel carts 1309 01:13:55,258 --> 01:13:56,673 and we would give them to 'em. 1310 01:13:56,708 --> 01:14:01,160 - He was able to over the course of the last 10 or 15 years, 1311 01:14:01,195 --> 01:14:04,647 he's been able to contact the families 1312 01:14:04,681 --> 01:14:08,685 and I think that to date he's almost got half of 'em 1313 01:14:09,548 --> 01:14:11,067 reunited with their families, 1314 01:14:11,101 --> 01:14:13,069 so they've come and picked 'em up, which is huge. 1315 01:14:13,103 --> 01:14:14,346 - [Narrator] In a court order 1316 01:14:14,380 --> 01:14:16,590 issued February the 14th, 2001, 1317 01:14:16,624 --> 01:14:19,040 the University of Louisville Program of Archeology 1318 01:14:19,075 --> 01:14:20,628 took possession of the written records 1319 01:14:20,663 --> 01:14:23,631 for Eastern, Greenwood and Shardein Cemeteries, 1320 01:14:23,666 --> 01:14:27,911 which included burial index cards, day books, range books 1321 01:14:27,946 --> 01:14:32,122 and maps, some dating as far back as 1843. 1322 01:14:32,157 --> 01:14:36,230 - He got a ton of records, he found all kinds of records 1323 01:14:36,264 --> 01:14:40,096 and he took all those down to U of L with him 1324 01:14:40,130 --> 01:14:43,651 and he at some point a lady who was critically ill, 1325 01:14:43,686 --> 01:14:45,550 who had family in Eastern came down 1326 01:14:45,584 --> 01:14:47,724 and she's like, "Look, I've got $50,000, 1327 01:14:47,759 --> 01:14:49,174 "I wanna leave it to Eastern 1328 01:14:49,208 --> 01:14:50,727 "and I wanna put that towards 1329 01:14:50,762 --> 01:14:53,005 "getting the grass cut and maintained," 1330 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,974 and Phil says, "All due respect, 1331 01:14:56,008 --> 01:14:57,527 "that may cut the grass for one year 1332 01:14:57,562 --> 01:15:00,703 "and the next year, it's all gonna be back," 1333 01:15:00,737 --> 01:15:03,637 and he's like, "Longterm where that money 1334 01:15:03,671 --> 01:15:06,260 "would best serve the cemetery 1335 01:15:06,294 --> 01:15:10,126 "is to set up an endowment for the records," 1336 01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,578 which she listened and trusted him enough 1337 01:15:13,612 --> 01:15:15,545 to follow his lead on that 1338 01:15:15,580 --> 01:15:18,341 and with that, the records have been preserved 1339 01:15:18,375 --> 01:15:20,688 and they're being put into a digital form, 1340 01:15:20,723 --> 01:15:23,380 a little bit every year with students working on it. 1341 01:15:23,415 --> 01:15:26,625 - We're gonna scan all of the records, 1342 01:15:28,075 --> 01:15:31,665 because the paper is acid 1343 01:15:31,699 --> 01:15:34,391 and literally people are disappearing 1344 01:15:34,426 --> 01:15:36,428 off the bottom of the page 1345 01:15:36,462 --> 01:15:38,948 and you know, to me, that's probably all 1346 01:15:38,982 --> 01:15:41,467 that was ever written about that human being. 1347 01:15:41,502 --> 01:15:43,400 - [Narrator] 25 years after the news 1348 01:15:43,435 --> 01:15:45,886 of over burial broke at Eastern Cemetery, 1349 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,785 Andy Harpole decided something had to be done. 1350 01:15:48,820 --> 01:15:51,236 He formed the Friends of Eastern Cemetery 1351 01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:52,409 based on the belief 1352 01:15:52,444 --> 01:15:54,515 that those buried within the cemetery walls 1353 01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:55,861 should receive the perpetual care 1354 01:15:55,896 --> 01:15:58,761 they had not only paid for, but deserve. 1355 01:16:00,314 --> 01:16:02,661 - The Friends of Eastern Cemetery is a really great group, 1356 01:16:02,696 --> 01:16:06,285 you have a lot of incredible people, who care a lot 1357 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,771 and that's an incredible basis I think 1358 01:16:08,805 --> 01:16:11,049 for what we're trying to do 1359 01:16:11,083 --> 01:16:12,533 is having that group of people, 1360 01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:14,811 who really are passionate and care 1361 01:16:14,846 --> 01:16:17,607 and when they hear the stories of these families, 1362 01:16:17,642 --> 01:16:20,472 they are more compelled to want to do more 1363 01:16:20,506 --> 01:16:23,233 and I just think that's a great quality 1364 01:16:23,268 --> 01:16:24,683 to have in a group of people. 1365 01:16:24,718 --> 01:16:26,858 - I've been involved in different volunteer groups, 1366 01:16:26,892 --> 01:16:28,687 this is the real deal, 1367 01:16:28,722 --> 01:16:31,587 they're not doing this to get anything out of it 1368 01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,969 and they work so hard when they're there, 1369 01:16:35,004 --> 01:16:37,420 I just feel like it's one of those groups, 1370 01:16:37,454 --> 01:16:41,631 where you can see progress being made 1371 01:16:41,666 --> 01:16:44,738 and they're all in for the right reasons. 1372 01:16:44,772 --> 01:16:47,326 - There's lots of odd things you can do volunteer wise, 1373 01:16:47,361 --> 01:16:51,261 that may be a little bit more self gratifying 1374 01:16:51,296 --> 01:16:53,298 or quicker results 1375 01:16:53,332 --> 01:16:55,749 and just the fact that it's a cemetery, you know, 1376 01:16:55,783 --> 01:16:58,337 I tell people, I'll be talking to my Dad or whoever, 1377 01:16:58,372 --> 01:17:01,237 I'll be working in the cemetery really, what are you doing? 1378 01:17:01,271 --> 01:17:02,687 Just working in the cemetery, 1379 01:17:02,721 --> 01:17:05,172 why are you working in a cemetery? 1380 01:17:05,206 --> 01:17:07,243 So I mean it takes a different kind of people, I think, 1381 01:17:07,277 --> 01:17:08,589 that are willing to do this. 1382 01:17:08,624 --> 01:17:10,280 - I mean, I think fundamentally 1383 01:17:10,315 --> 01:17:15,078 everybody has this kind of empathy for what happened there 1384 01:17:15,113 --> 01:17:17,425 and we kind of see a reflection, 1385 01:17:17,460 --> 01:17:19,082 something, an idea that I've heard mirrored a lot, 1386 01:17:19,117 --> 01:17:22,016 that I believe is you can tell a lot about a society 1387 01:17:22,051 --> 01:17:23,639 by the way it treats its dead 1388 01:17:23,673 --> 01:17:27,159 and so it's a fundamentally important ritual to have 1389 01:17:27,194 --> 01:17:28,644 and it hasn't been upheld. 1390 01:17:28,678 --> 01:17:32,682 So one of the ways that we describe ourselves 1391 01:17:32,717 --> 01:17:35,512 is that we're caretakers for a cemetery, 1392 01:17:35,547 --> 01:17:37,204 that doesn't have a caretaker. 1393 01:17:37,238 --> 01:17:38,895 - [Narrator] On December the 3rd, 1394 01:17:38,930 --> 01:17:41,622 the Friends of Eastern Cemetery was incorporated 1395 01:17:41,657 --> 01:17:44,073 as a non profit organization. 1396 01:17:44,107 --> 01:17:46,454 The group hosts a number of events annually 1397 01:17:46,489 --> 01:17:49,423 including historical tours led by Joel Berndt, 1398 01:17:49,457 --> 01:17:51,183 Preservation Training seminars taught 1399 01:17:51,218 --> 01:17:54,221 by nationally recognized expert, Jonathan Appell 1400 01:17:54,255 --> 01:17:57,811 and flagging ceremonies on Memorial and Veterans Days. 1401 01:17:57,845 --> 01:18:00,296 In addition to general landscaping and maintenance, 1402 01:18:00,330 --> 01:18:04,231 the volunteer group also repair and reset toppled monuments 1403 01:18:04,265 --> 01:18:05,853 and clean eroded gravestones 1404 01:18:05,888 --> 01:18:08,787 using a non-corrosive D/2 biological solution. 1405 01:18:08,822 --> 01:18:12,895 - The very first time I went there, 1406 01:18:12,929 --> 01:18:15,173 it was just a vast variety of people 1407 01:18:15,207 --> 01:18:18,279 doing anything and everything you could possibly think of 1408 01:18:18,314 --> 01:18:20,454 and everybody was welcoming, 1409 01:18:20,488 --> 01:18:22,525 we were all there for the same purpose 1410 01:18:22,559 --> 01:18:24,700 just to see what we could do to help 1411 01:18:24,734 --> 01:18:27,737 and it was great, we spent all day there 1412 01:18:27,772 --> 01:18:32,293 just cutting grass, raking, trimming for hours, 1413 01:18:32,328 --> 01:18:34,779 you don't even realize how long you're there, 1414 01:18:34,813 --> 01:18:36,056 until at the end of the day you're like 1415 01:18:36,090 --> 01:18:37,920 really, you know, it's five o'clock? 1416 01:18:37,954 --> 01:18:39,749 - Every time you show up 1417 01:18:39,784 --> 01:18:41,164 and the same people are there again, 1418 01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:43,166 you're like oh, thank God, you know, 1419 01:18:43,201 --> 01:18:45,479 they're gonna stay, 'cause you never know 1420 01:18:46,687 --> 01:18:47,930 and it really is a community effort, 1421 01:18:47,964 --> 01:18:49,448 you need a lot of people. 1422 01:18:49,483 --> 01:18:53,142 - Now the upkeep that's going on now, it's helpful 1423 01:18:53,176 --> 01:18:56,041 and I'm sure it lifts up other people's spirits. 1424 01:18:56,076 --> 01:18:59,700 - When I started with Friends of Eastern Cemetery, 1425 01:19:00,736 --> 01:19:02,738 every grave that I came across 1426 01:19:02,772 --> 01:19:06,914 that had that Cunningham name on it, I would just cry 1427 01:19:06,949 --> 01:19:11,056 and I would be like that's mine, that's mine, 1428 01:19:11,091 --> 01:19:12,817 you have that last name, 1429 01:19:12,851 --> 01:19:16,648 I don't care where you fit in the tree, 1430 01:19:16,682 --> 01:19:18,270 that belongs to me. 1431 01:19:18,305 --> 01:19:21,618 - Knowing what this group is doing is amazing 1432 01:19:22,516 --> 01:19:24,380 and to be a part of the group 1433 01:19:24,414 --> 01:19:26,865 and to share in the experiences with the families 1434 01:19:26,900 --> 01:19:28,936 that come and see the work that we've done 1435 01:19:28,971 --> 01:19:30,696 and how much they appreciate it, 1436 01:19:30,731 --> 01:19:33,665 just share the hugs and the tears and the joy 1437 01:19:33,699 --> 01:19:37,531 when they're able to walk finally to their site, 1438 01:19:37,565 --> 01:19:38,877 that they couldn't do forever, 1439 01:19:38,912 --> 01:19:42,294 because the grass was literally as tall as your chin. 1440 01:19:43,468 --> 01:19:46,091 So that part of it is just amazing 1441 01:19:46,126 --> 01:19:49,336 and I would not do that, 'cause I know that this group 1442 01:19:49,370 --> 01:19:51,821 is a great group and hopefully it will be around, 1443 01:19:51,856 --> 01:19:55,169 I mean, this is our third upcoming season 1444 01:19:55,204 --> 01:19:58,310 of working there and we have big plans. 1445 01:19:58,345 --> 01:20:00,692 - I've met a lot of new friends, you know, 1446 01:20:00,726 --> 01:20:04,144 that are family to me now, the Friends of Eastern Cemetery. 1447 01:20:05,524 --> 01:20:08,976 I can point people in directions now and they pull through 1448 01:20:09,011 --> 01:20:11,461 and be like this is the section you need to be in, 1449 01:20:11,496 --> 01:20:14,568 oh, I've seen that, I've just cut around that gravestone. 1450 01:20:14,602 --> 01:20:17,847 - I'm trying to get us to do more events, 1451 01:20:17,882 --> 01:20:20,470 more tours, try to get schools involved, 1452 01:20:20,505 --> 01:20:22,472 try to get more local groups involved, 1453 01:20:22,507 --> 01:20:24,612 because there's such a great amount of history there 1454 01:20:24,647 --> 01:20:25,924 and the more people you bring in, 1455 01:20:25,959 --> 01:20:28,616 the more people you talk to about it, 1456 01:20:28,651 --> 01:20:30,584 they're going to tell more people 1457 01:20:30,618 --> 01:20:33,414 and I'm just hoping that raising that awareness 1458 01:20:33,449 --> 01:20:35,347 can keep growing the non-profit 1459 01:20:35,382 --> 01:20:37,971 and that's also how you can start fundraising, 1460 01:20:38,005 --> 01:20:39,731 because the more people learn, 1461 01:20:39,765 --> 01:20:41,526 the more that they do want to help. 1462 01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:42,907 - We just need more help, 1463 01:20:44,563 --> 01:20:46,634 we need more funding, 1464 01:20:46,669 --> 01:20:48,809 we are a small group 1465 01:20:48,844 --> 01:20:53,814 that is trying so hard to get the cemetery 1466 01:20:54,953 --> 01:20:57,991 not obviously back to where it once was, 1467 01:20:59,924 --> 01:21:02,961 you can't just recognize one person in that plot, 1468 01:21:02,996 --> 01:21:04,031 it's not fair, 1469 01:21:05,653 --> 01:21:08,898 but to get it back, where families can come in 1470 01:21:10,589 --> 01:21:13,903 and be happy that it's being taken care of. 1471 01:21:13,938 --> 01:21:15,836 - One of the things we would like to do, 1472 01:21:15,871 --> 01:21:18,287 we were all young when my mother passed 1473 01:21:18,321 --> 01:21:21,290 and we would like to purchase a headstone, 1474 01:21:21,324 --> 01:21:24,431 but at the time what I do remember is my father, 1475 01:21:24,465 --> 01:21:29,470 he was a bricklayer and he wasn't paid much, 1476 01:21:30,609 --> 01:21:32,059 but he put a red brick as a headstone 1477 01:21:32,094 --> 01:21:34,165 to mark where they had laid her 1478 01:21:35,338 --> 01:21:37,375 and when we went back to try to find that, 1479 01:21:37,409 --> 01:21:38,997 that's what we couldn't find. 1480 01:21:39,032 --> 01:21:43,657 - With finding out about Greenwood's abandonment situation, 1481 01:21:43,691 --> 01:21:45,245 just like Eastern's, 1482 01:21:47,488 --> 01:21:51,285 we thought it would be fitting to help them get a stone, 1483 01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:54,219 because I guess they never were able 1484 01:21:54,254 --> 01:21:57,913 to get a stone made for her, 1485 01:21:59,500 --> 01:22:01,917 so we contacted Evan's Monument Company 1486 01:22:03,332 --> 01:22:07,957 and they were willing to donate a gravestone for her 1487 01:22:09,855 --> 01:22:14,136 and so we got the burial records 1488 01:22:14,170 --> 01:22:19,175 and the position of the burial plot for Mary Cobb 1489 01:22:20,383 --> 01:22:23,455 and we went over and set her stone, 1490 01:22:25,941 --> 01:22:28,874 so that when the family came on Memorial Day Weekend, 1491 01:22:28,909 --> 01:22:33,707 or just before, they had a nice surprise waiting for them 1492 01:22:33,741 --> 01:22:37,953 rather than what they normally come there for 1493 01:22:37,987 --> 01:22:39,402 and had to deal with. 1494 01:22:39,437 --> 01:22:41,991 - You know, those are, well, it's our loved ones 1495 01:22:42,026 --> 01:22:44,545 and not only ours, but other people's loved ones, 1496 01:22:44,580 --> 01:22:46,271 so I can speak for my family 1497 01:22:46,306 --> 01:22:48,549 that we're truly grateful, that someone cares. 1498 01:22:48,584 --> 01:22:51,069 You know, we were young back then, 1499 01:22:51,104 --> 01:22:52,553 but we would like to be able 1500 01:22:55,729 --> 01:22:58,732 to know where my Momma is, 1501 01:22:58,766 --> 01:23:00,699 I mean, we would like to put a headstone up 1502 01:23:00,734 --> 01:23:03,081 after all these years, it would mean a lot to us, 1503 01:23:03,116 --> 01:23:06,567 it was five of us, four girls and a boy 1504 01:23:06,602 --> 01:23:09,225 and we don't even know where she's laid at there, 1505 01:23:09,260 --> 01:23:11,641 we just know she's there. 1506 01:23:11,676 --> 01:23:15,714 - Well, a cemetery is supposed to be the guardian, 1507 01:23:15,749 --> 01:23:18,027 you know, of deceased family members 1508 01:23:18,062 --> 01:23:22,169 and it's supposed to be a reverent place, 1509 01:23:22,204 --> 01:23:25,000 you're not supposed to disturb graves. 1510 01:23:26,622 --> 01:23:29,383 - You have who's who of Kentucky's history 1511 01:23:29,418 --> 01:23:34,009 and Louisville's history buried back there, 1512 01:23:35,286 --> 01:23:38,047 so why isn't anyone approaching those folks? 1513 01:23:38,082 --> 01:23:40,360 There's no ownership, 1514 01:23:40,394 --> 01:23:42,741 until someone takes ownership of the property, 1515 01:23:44,122 --> 01:23:45,951 I don't think you're gonna get much of a change. 1516 01:23:45,986 --> 01:23:47,574 - We can't take ownership of it, 1517 01:23:47,608 --> 01:23:49,369 because if we take ownership of it, 1518 01:23:50,646 --> 01:23:53,856 we inherit the liability, which in 1989, 1519 01:23:53,890 --> 01:23:56,341 because of all of the pre-need sold graves, 1520 01:23:56,376 --> 01:23:58,067 which right now there's supposed to be 1521 01:23:58,102 --> 01:24:02,761 somewhere around 5,000, the estimate in 1989 1522 01:24:02,796 --> 01:24:06,075 after DiBlasi and the Attorney General's Office 1523 01:24:06,110 --> 01:24:07,663 kind of put all their resources together 1524 01:24:07,697 --> 01:24:09,492 after reading the records 1525 01:24:09,527 --> 01:24:13,634 and doing some archeological digs is $59 million 1526 01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:15,533 and that's 1989 money. 1527 01:24:15,567 --> 01:24:19,744 - We are gonna make this work, it's going to work, 1528 01:24:19,778 --> 01:24:23,403 this is not a one-year plan, this is not a 10-year plan, 1529 01:24:23,437 --> 01:24:25,991 this is a forever plan, you know, 1530 01:24:26,026 --> 01:24:30,134 this is a forever commitment that we all 1531 01:24:30,168 --> 01:24:32,757 as Friends of Eastern Cemetery have made. 1532 01:24:32,791 --> 01:24:34,414 - There's just a lot of great people 1533 01:24:34,448 --> 01:24:37,106 trying to do great things 1534 01:24:37,141 --> 01:24:40,592 for families that some people don't even know, 1535 01:24:40,627 --> 01:24:42,318 I mean, you know, I have family there, 1536 01:24:42,353 --> 01:24:45,632 but there are people there that there's no family there, 1537 01:24:45,666 --> 01:24:48,980 they're just good people trying to do right 1538 01:24:49,014 --> 01:24:52,225 by years and years and years of things that have gone wrong 1539 01:24:52,259 --> 01:24:55,435 and I just would hope that they would give us the chance 1540 01:24:56,988 --> 01:24:59,024 to continue the good work that we're doing, 1541 01:24:59,059 --> 01:25:00,578 'cause it is good work, you know, 1542 01:25:00,612 --> 01:25:02,718 I just want people to know that we're there 1543 01:25:03,857 --> 01:25:06,515 and it's okay, it's okay, you know. 1544 01:25:06,549 --> 01:25:09,034 - You know, we're a longterm, 1545 01:25:09,069 --> 01:25:11,313 I wanna see a memorial museum in there 1546 01:25:11,347 --> 01:25:13,315 with every single name of every single person 1547 01:25:13,349 --> 01:25:17,146 that we can find, that was buried there, 1548 01:25:17,181 --> 01:25:21,012 so that their family can come and at least see their name. 1549 01:25:21,046 --> 01:25:23,635 - I put everything on the line, you know, 1550 01:25:23,670 --> 01:25:26,224 I mean, I've said it before, 1551 01:25:26,259 --> 01:25:28,157 I mean, I should've kept my mouth shut, 1552 01:25:28,192 --> 01:25:30,055 I should've went looking, 1553 01:25:30,090 --> 01:25:31,954 found me a job and got away from it. 1554 01:25:31,988 --> 01:25:34,819 They would have got busted sooner or later, 1555 01:25:34,853 --> 01:25:36,752 it couldn't last forever, 1556 01:25:36,786 --> 01:25:40,100 I mean, it lasted for the turn of the century 1557 01:25:40,135 --> 01:25:44,484 up until 1989, so it had to end somewheres 1558 01:25:44,518 --> 01:25:47,797 and it would've ended, I mean they would've hung their self 1559 01:25:49,247 --> 01:25:52,043 and the outcome might have been different, you know, 1560 01:25:52,077 --> 01:25:55,529 if I wouldn't have did what I did and I'd have left, 1561 01:25:55,564 --> 01:25:59,015 they would've kept on going, things would've got worse, 1562 01:26:00,810 --> 01:26:03,123 Ronnie would've kept on doing what he was doing, 1563 01:26:03,158 --> 01:26:06,747 nothing would have changed, they'd have got caught 1564 01:26:06,782 --> 01:26:10,544 and chances are that one would've stuck, 1565 01:26:10,579 --> 01:26:12,408 something would've really happened to 'em. 1566 01:26:12,443 --> 01:26:14,721 I mean, I could've just walked away. 1567 01:26:14,755 --> 01:26:16,309 - This is a person who had a final wish 1568 01:26:16,343 --> 01:26:18,897 and they have a family, who supports this final wish, 1569 01:26:18,932 --> 01:26:21,106 who needs this ritual and this space to come 1570 01:26:21,141 --> 01:26:23,385 and to be at peace with what happened to them in their life 1571 01:26:23,419 --> 01:26:25,041 and that's sort of lost, 1572 01:26:25,076 --> 01:26:26,042 that's the part that I don't understand, 1573 01:26:26,077 --> 01:26:27,251 look, I just don't know 1574 01:26:27,285 --> 01:26:29,701 how you could get over that hump, you know. 1575 01:26:29,736 --> 01:26:33,118 - I don't know how widespread that is historically, 1576 01:26:33,153 --> 01:26:37,778 I don't know whether it's a total criminal aberration 1577 01:26:37,813 --> 01:26:42,335 or whether it was something that culture has done 1578 01:26:42,369 --> 01:26:43,853 more frequently than we realize. 1579 01:26:43,888 --> 01:26:46,994 - Things are never gonna be right at Eastern Cemetery 1580 01:26:47,029 --> 01:26:48,203 and that's I hope, 1581 01:26:49,549 --> 01:26:52,483 obviously it's gonna be there after I'm gone, 1582 01:26:52,517 --> 01:26:55,624 I'm just hoping that people will not allow it 1583 01:26:55,658 --> 01:26:58,109 to be abused over and over and over again. 1584 01:26:59,731 --> 01:27:02,838 [light melodic music] 1585 01:27:05,427 --> 01:27:09,051 [multiple voices speaking] 1586 01:27:46,053 --> 01:27:49,367 [melodic country music] 1587 01:28:11,493 --> 01:28:14,392 ♪ Three days in a cave 1588 01:28:14,427 --> 01:28:18,362 ♪ Friend to be saved calling out to Mother Mary ♪ 1589 01:28:18,396 --> 01:28:21,572 ♪ Asking for a raise 1590 01:28:21,606 --> 01:28:24,782 ♪ Four nights on the road 1591 01:28:24,816 --> 01:28:28,337 ♪ Coming back home, travels in these soulless cities ♪ 1592 01:28:28,372 --> 01:28:32,824 ♪ Wring about familiar pities in restless prose ♪ 1593 01:28:32,859 --> 01:28:36,725 ♪ To just bones 1594 01:28:36,759 --> 01:28:40,729 ♪ Time will beat on 1595 01:28:40,763 --> 01:28:43,697 ♪ With its perfect drums and pantomimes ♪ 1596 01:28:43,732 --> 01:28:45,941 ♪ Switching buttons and pushing lines ♪ 1597 01:28:45,975 --> 01:28:48,737 ♪ The spotlight fades to pull the punch ♪ 1598 01:28:48,771 --> 01:28:51,567 ♪ And say 1599 01:28:51,602 --> 01:28:56,089 ♪ That life will roll on 1600 01:28:56,123 --> 01:28:58,712 ♪ With its undercurrents and overtones ♪ 1601 01:28:58,747 --> 01:29:00,990 ♪ Whistling winds through dried up bones ♪ 1602 01:29:01,025 --> 01:29:05,995 ♪ A mother with her arms wide open sings ♪ 1603 01:29:06,617 --> 01:29:09,620 ♪ That you 1604 01:29:09,654 --> 01:29:14,659 ♪ You are not alone 1605 01:29:16,627 --> 01:29:18,939 ♪ The universe laughs in the face ♪ 1606 01:29:18,974 --> 01:29:21,286 ♪ Of those who dare to tackle grace ♪ 1607 01:29:21,321 --> 01:29:26,326 ♪ And burn the midnight candles for a while ♪ 1608 01:29:27,223 --> 01:29:28,880 ♪ Drifting on the edge of time 1609 01:29:28,915 --> 01:29:31,055 ♪ A stone's throw from oblivion ♪ 1610 01:29:31,089 --> 01:29:36,094 ♪ You'll meet your shadow self face to face ♪ 1611 01:29:37,337 --> 01:29:41,548 ♪ See that it's just fear you embrace ♪ 1612 01:29:42,342 --> 01:29:46,242 ♪ Time will beat on 1613 01:29:46,277 --> 01:29:49,211 ♪ With its perfect drums and pantomimes ♪ 1614 01:29:49,245 --> 01:29:51,420 ♪ Switching parts and pushing lines ♪ 1615 01:29:51,455 --> 01:29:54,389 ♪ The spotlight fades to pull the punch ♪ 1616 01:29:54,423 --> 01:29:57,012 ♪ And say 1617 01:29:57,046 --> 01:30:00,981 ♪ That life will roll on 1618 01:30:01,016 --> 01:30:04,122 ♪ With its undercurrents and overtones ♪ 1619 01:30:04,157 --> 01:30:06,435 ♪ Whistling winds through dried up bones ♪ 1620 01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:11,371 ♪ A mother with her arms wide open sings ♪ 1621 01:30:11,406 --> 01:30:14,823 ♪ That you 1622 01:30:14,857 --> 01:30:19,862 ♪ You are not alone 1623 01:30:21,692 --> 01:30:23,659 ♪ She puts you on your knees 1624 01:30:23,694 --> 01:30:26,559 ♪ As you're begging, darling, please ♪ 1625 01:30:26,593 --> 01:30:31,356 ♪ Release me so I can baby step away ♪ 1626 01:30:31,391 --> 01:30:34,359 ♪ She whispers back to me 1627 01:30:34,394 --> 01:30:36,776 ♪ Magic moments only works in threes ♪ 1628 01:30:36,810 --> 01:30:41,297 ♪ And all you have to do is live to play ♪ 1629 01:30:41,332 --> 01:30:46,302 ♪ And the sun will rise to shine another day ♪ 1630 01:30:47,545 --> 01:30:51,411 ♪ Time will beat on 1631 01:30:51,446 --> 01:30:54,414 ♪ With its perfect drums and pantomimes ♪ 1632 01:30:54,449 --> 01:30:56,589 ♪ Switching parts and pushing lines ♪ 1633 01:30:56,623 --> 01:30:59,143 ♪ The spotlight fades to pull the punch ♪ 1634 01:30:59,177 --> 01:31:02,111 ♪ And say 1635 01:31:02,146 --> 01:31:06,046 ♪ That life will roll on 1636 01:31:06,081 --> 01:31:09,049 ♪ With its undercurrents and overtones ♪ 1637 01:31:09,084 --> 01:31:11,535 ♪ Whistling winds through dried up bones ♪ 1638 01:31:11,569 --> 01:31:16,574 ♪ A mother with her arms wide open sings ♪ 1639 01:31:17,230 --> 01:31:21,476 ♪ That you 1640 01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:24,479 ♪ You are not alone 1641 01:31:27,654 --> 01:31:31,347 [melodic melancholic music] 1642 01:31:36,042 --> 01:31:39,597 - [Bob] The only thing that I would really like to say 1643 01:31:41,323 --> 01:31:43,877 is the way the families have been ripped off, 1644 01:31:43,912 --> 01:31:46,086 I mean, hundreds and I told the Attorney General that, 1645 01:31:46,121 --> 01:31:50,125 I said these families bought these graves in good faith, 1646 01:31:50,159 --> 01:31:53,093 knowing they had a place to go if something happened to 'em 1647 01:31:53,128 --> 01:31:54,509 or something happened to their loved ones 1648 01:31:54,543 --> 01:31:57,235 and then when the time comes, 1649 01:31:57,270 --> 01:32:01,274 they're told there's no room, they can't use it, 1650 01:32:01,308 --> 01:32:03,172 you know, that's not right, 1651 01:32:03,207 --> 01:32:07,107 thousands, there's gotta be thousands of 'em out there, 1652 01:32:07,142 --> 01:32:10,076 that own property there, they can't use it, 1653 01:32:10,110 --> 01:32:14,045 they paid for it and they're not gonna get their money back, 1654 01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:18,256 they're not gonna get another site to replace it, 1655 01:32:18,291 --> 01:32:19,741 the money's not there, 1656 01:32:19,775 --> 01:32:24,193 I mean, they've been shafted big time 1657 01:32:24,228 --> 01:32:26,126 and I think everybody turned their back on 'em, 1658 01:32:26,161 --> 01:32:28,404 I think the Attorney General turned her back on 'em, 1659 01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:31,442 they didn't go far enough to help 'em. 128242

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