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[light haunting music]
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Mr. Hillerich.
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[light haunting music]
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[multiple voices speaking]
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- [Bob] Right on top of the
dirt pile in plain view,
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in everybody's sight
was a skull intact
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and I went back and
told the supervisor,
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I said hey man, you've
gotta come look at this.
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He said, "Cover
it up with a tarp
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"and put it back in the hole."
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- Here's what's happening,
we're going out there
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and we're having to
hide skulls with tarps,
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so these family
members will not see
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that there's other
bodies in the dirt,
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that's going to be
refilled into the grave,
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there's lots of
bones and bodies.
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- I'd heard stories
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about how they were finding
bones in different places.
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I did contact the
Attorney General,
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at that point I was
a stay-at-home Mom,
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so I was able to put
some time into it
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and I remember contacting
the Attorney General
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and he did go down
to check the grave
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and said that if he's
there, if that was him,
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he was only buried inches down,
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but he couldn't
guarantee that either
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and so at that point I really
did just came to terms with it
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and just still continue
to not go down there
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and celebrate his
life in other ways.
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- I mean, I was shocked,
I was devastated,
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I mean, to know that
possibly all the loved ones
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was buried on top of my
loved one, which is my Mom,
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so that was quite devastating.
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- He did not purchase that plot
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knowing that he was gonna have
other people on top of him.
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- It's actually
known coast to coast
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as the nation's most
grossly abused cemetery,
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I mean, you Google Eastern
Cemetery, Louisville, Kentucky,
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you're gonna find an
article from the LA Times
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or a newspaper in New York
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talking about the horrible
things that went on.
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- I mean, there are people
who still own plots,
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they're supposed to be empty,
but they're probably not
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and I mean, you can't really
make that right honestly.
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- And you had hundreds and
thousands of family members
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coming up wanting to know
once this broke news,
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is my family buried
with somebody else?
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- He pulled out a loaded
.38 caliber revolver
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and stuck it in my face
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probably no more than a
foot or two away from me
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right between the eyes,
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this guy was easily in his 70s,
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if he wasn't in his early 80s
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and I could see the chambers
were loaded on the pistol.
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- It's part of my faith, we
bury the dead with dignity
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and that did not happen.
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- You know, they
walked him out of it
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and I thought no, this is
not right, this is not right,
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they're gonna walk, ain't
nothing's going to be done.
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- There's just bones everywhere,
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the joke was when we got the
investigation going full blown,
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you couldn't swing a dead
cat in Eastern Cemetery
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without finding a
disturbed burial.
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- We had the bare
bones of the story
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and then as we kept
working, we kept uncovering
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more and more scraps
and more and more scraps
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and it's a much,
much bigger story
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than I think anybody
could've imagined.
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- When you would go there,
it's like that place,
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just it wanted help, like
it was begging for help.
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[multiple voices speaking]
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[mellow country music]
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♪ Yeah, there's
holes in the ground ♪
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♪ Yeah, where the
cars passed by ♪
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♪ Yeah, there's
holes in the ground ♪
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♪ Yeah, where
they're piled high ♪
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♪ Piled high
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♪ So where's your
angel of redemption ♪
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♪ Way up in the sky
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♪ So now where's those
good old intentions ♪
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♪ Yeah, 'cause the
bones don't lie ♪
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♪ The bones don't lie
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♪ The bones don't lie
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♪ Another shot of whiskey
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♪ And another shot of ale
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♪ Another nail
through the casket ♪
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♪ Another lonely day
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♪ So drop an egg
into the basket ♪
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♪ The hair of the dog,
you're tisky tasking ♪
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♪ Here we go down
to the bottom ♪
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♪ Here we go where
the bones don't lie ♪
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♪ So where's those
angels of redemption ♪
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♪ Way up in the sky
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♪ So now where's those
good old intentions ♪
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♪ Yeah, 'cause the
bones don't lie ♪
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♪ The bones don't lie
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♪ The bones don't lie
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[multiple voices speaking]
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- [Narrator] Eastern Cemetery
consists of 29.6 acres of land
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and is located in the
Irish Hill neighborhood
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of Louisville, Kentucky.
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Founded in 1843 by two
Methodist churches,
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Eastern and its
sister cemeteries,
Greenwood and Shardein
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were owned by the
Louisville Crematory
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and Cemetery Company
for 145 years.
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Following an investigation by
the Attorney General's Office
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in 1989, the company
ceased operations
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and charges including over
burial and grave desecration
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were brought against
three of its officials.
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Only about 16,000 gravestones
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can be found in
Eastern Cemetery,
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but records exist for over
138,000 burials there.
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Some sections have
been re-gridded and
reused over and over
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and some individual graves
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had been buried as
many as eight times.
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The defunct Cemetery
Company was placed
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on a court order
receivership until 2001,
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when Maurice Phillips was
removed from the position
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following allegations that
he had abandoned his duties
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and mismanaged cemetery funds.
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- You know, when I first
went over there in 1974,
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I saw these sunken graves
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and so I was
wondering about that
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and I talked to my predecessor
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and then other
people at Cave Hill
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and the reason that happened
is because they didn't require
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a concrete vault for the casket.
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- At Eastern Cemetery
they would charge people
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and get paid to put
the concrete vault in,
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but most of the time
they wouldn't put 'em in,
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the reason they
wouldn't put 'em in
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is because they knew they'd
be digging there again
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in the not so distant future.
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- So as I go through
the records again,
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I'm doing the research
with the records,
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this is under the court order,
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I'm acting at
checking the graves
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and I wanna find out what
kind of paperwork do we have
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and I started seeing
this notation, OG, OG, OG
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consistently throughout the
records and it's Old Grave,
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they're burying
people in old graves.
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- The casket decomposes,
there's no family members,
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no monument, no flowers
on Mother's Day or Easter
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and so they would
reuse that grave space.
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- And at some point they had
10 years' worth of graves
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that hadn't been visited,
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so they reconciled
that with the maps
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and they said okay, section
A, row 26 through row 32,
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there's only two people over
there that have been visited,
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so let's go on and clear
all the stones out of there
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and resell them.
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- Starting in the 1850s,
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they systemically start
reselling entire sections,
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they sell individual lots
over and over and over again,
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it's an incredibly complex
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and they kept multiple
sets of books.
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But like I said, we now,
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the standard for burial is
1,000 to 1100 bodies per acre,
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it's a 30-acre cemetery,
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that's what, 30,000 to
40,000 bodies, right,
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we right now were not done yet,
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have 138,000 recorded
burials in Eastern Cemetery.
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- [Narrator] Eastern Cemetery
is home to more than 100,000
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unmarked and disturbed
burials of individuals,
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who entrusted the care
of their final remains
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to a business which
considered them expendable.
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As early as 1858,
records indicate
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multiple burials
in the same grave.
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The practice of over burial
and resale of occupied graves
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became standard procedure
for the company,
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until cemetery worker,
Bob Allen reported it
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to the Kentucky Attorney
General's Office in 1989.
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- So Bob Allen, when
he went to work there,
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he said that these people didn't
hide what they were doing,
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they weren't out there in the
middle of the night doing it
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like I'd always thought,
like you didn't wanna think.
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He said that they did
it open, plain as day,
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never made excuses, never told
anybody to cover anything up,
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it's just how business was done.
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- [Narrator] In the years
following the investigation,
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Eastern Cemetery was abandoned,
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its grounds had
become overgrown,
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gravestones had been
destroyed or stolen
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and the chapel,
garage and stone vault
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had been broken into and
vandalized repeatedly.
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- I think they had the urns,
where you could stick flowers
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and of course back then you
bought great quality of things
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and he has marble,
he has the marble
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and the brass and
things had been taken,
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my uncle who lays
there next to him,
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his things have been removed
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and it was so decayed
because right in the middle,
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I have a cousin right there,
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but we were unable to
put a marker there,
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because the ground was so
trashed up and decayed,
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so there's an unmarked
grave of a relative there
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right in the middle of them.
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- Like Mother's Day,
Memorial Day Weekend,
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my father would have
to take his weed eater
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and make me a path,
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that's the only way I would
be able to find where she was,
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he would go first and
then he would tell me,
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"I made you a path, so
as soon as you pull in,
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"park on the side, get
out and you'll see my path
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"and that will lead you
to where she's buried."
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- And he actually went
through the files,
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that they still had inside
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before the building
was bricked over
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and pulled out index cards
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and tried to lead us
in the right direction,
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even though it was a
complete mess out there
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and we did end up finding her
Dad, which was my Grandpa,
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Hewart, but was unable
to find anybody else.
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- [Andy] Nobody's here,
nobody's doing anything,
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you've got this huge
cemetery right in the middle
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of Louisville's
historic district
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they we're supposedly
so proud of
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and look at it, it's an
embarrassment, it's a shambles.
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- [Narrator] The
care of those at rest
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in these neglected cemeteries
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was left up to their
families and loved ones,
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who were taken advantage of
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in one of the most difficult
times of their lives.
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- My husband and I are just
local amateur historians,
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we've been all over the city
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and after a visit to Cave
Hill one day we said, oh look,
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right across the wall there's
a whole other cemetery,
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how do you even get into it?
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Figured out how to go
around and get into it
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and we were expecting more
of what we've just seen,
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you know, manicured lawns
and landscapes, trees,
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a beautiful cemetery and
it was not that at all,
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it was really heartbreaking.
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A lot of the same names
on both sides of the wall
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and yet you go from perpetual
care to neglect and vandalism.
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- My guys were
just standing there
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and the Eastern employees
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didn't realize that
my men were there.
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So they dug down, hit a grave,
maybe a 20-year old grave,
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there was a thigh bone and
they thought it was funny,
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so they just threw it over
the wall into Cave Hill.
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- [Narrator] A red
brick wall stretches
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along the southeast border
of Eastern Cemetery.
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On the other side is Cave
Hill Veterans Cemetery,
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Louisville's oldest and most
prominent burial ground.
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A beautifully kept
garden cemetery
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in the popular style of
the mid-19th century,
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Cave Hill is home
to over 5,500 graves
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of Union and Confederate
soldiers spanning 296 acres.
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In 2002 Cave Hill had about
120,000 people interred there
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with space remaining for
about 22,000 more graves.
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By comparison, Eastern
Cemetery has less than 30 acres
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and over 138,000
recorded burials.
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- It wasn't that he had
any prior experience
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with running a cemetery
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and I know he leaned
some on Lee Squires,
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he would try to consult with
him and ask advice and so forth
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about just day to day
operational things
or about equipment
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or about the guys who
were working there
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and they would
have conversations,
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but my Dad may have been
just in over his head.
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- You know, I would talk to
Mr. Amos about the burials,
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I'd say how can you have so
many spaces still available
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and Cave Hill was about at
that time probably 80% full,
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we had 300 acres, Eastern
was how many acres,
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do you recall?
- 29.6.
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- Yeah, I said how can you
still be burying people?
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He said, "Oh, we just
find spaces, you know."
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[gentle melodic music]
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- [Narrator] In 1843
parishioners of two churches
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came together each donating
seven and a half acres of land
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and the Methodist burial
grounds were formed
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for the interment of members
of those congregations.
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Articles of incorporation
were drafted in 1848
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and approved by the General
Assembly of Kentucky
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on the 4th of March, 1854
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forming the Eastern
Cemetery Company.
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The charter states that
a board of nine trustees
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would be nominated,
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half from each of the
two founding churches,
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that all profits
remaining after the cost
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of payment to
officers and laborers,
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capital improvements
and other expenses
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would be equally divided
between the two churches,
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Fourth Street Methodist, now
Trinity Temple United Church
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and Brook Street Methodist,
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now Christ United
Methodist Church.
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- You know, I heard all along
that the Methodist church
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was the owner of the
property and the cemetery,
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which makes it
even more appalling
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and all the managers
were Methodists,
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so I assume that's correct.
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But it was appalling to
all of us at Cave Hill.
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- What they would do, the
operators of the cemetery
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would take the money,
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the profits from
operating the cemetery,
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take half of it for
the continued operation
of the cemetery
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and then take the other half
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and split it amongst
these Methodist churches
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and this was recorded
in the trustees' minutes
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for as long as I could
find in the minute books,
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that I was able to
get my hands on.
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When it came to the
court situation,
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there was actually an attorney,
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who was hired by the
Methodist churches
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or one of the
Methodist churches,
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who any time anyone said
during the proceedings,
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they tied the cemetery
to the churches,
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it was his job to object
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that they were not
legally tied together,
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though it's pretty clear that
the trustees of the cemetery
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were all members
of these churches
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and the proceeds
were going there
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whether they were part of
the same corporation or not.
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- The Board consisted
of a lot of elderly men
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throughout the neighborhood,
but they had to be a member
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of one of those churches in
order to be on the Board.
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They would have a Board meeting
and I think they got $50
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and a chicken dinner
when they showed up
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and I think some of them
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had to be woke up
before it was over.
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- The Methodist
church I don't think
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claims any responsibility
for any of it,
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that's very disturbing to me
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and of course all
the family members,
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that had the problems
with their loved ones
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in their graves desecrated.
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- [Interviewer] Absolutely.
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- And if the Methodists
were responsible for it,
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that's a real shame.
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- [Narrator] Eastern
Cemetery has a history
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of public concern for over
burial and grave desecration,
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as early as 1885,
the local journal
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reported on complaints
about the burial grounds
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citing filthy conditions
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and graves that were
only a few inches deep.
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In 1912, JW Hardin told
the Courier Journal
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that when he came to visit his
parents' final resting place,
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the grave of a William Clark
had been placed on top of them.
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In 1915 a lawsuit was
filed against the cemetery
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by lot holders
alleging that $4,500
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had been misappropriated
to the beneficiary churches
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instead of the Perpetual
Care Trust Fund.
348
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In 1948 Edna McDaniel's suit
for a plot she had purchased
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including one her husband
was already buried in
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were resold by the cemetery.
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- Mid-19th century,
Thomas Shanks,
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he was the guy in the 1850s,
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who was the sexton of the
cemetery, either he or his wife,
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they kind of swapped
off the jobs, alright.
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Thankfully she kept the records,
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'cause she had
beautiful handwriting
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and during that period of time
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and I'm pretty certain
that this is the guy
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that discovered that as
Louisvillians were moving west
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during the westward expansion
of the United States,
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okay, the 1850s, he was
buying up family lots.
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So let's say you
owned a family lot,
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that you had paid 25 or
$30 for, a 10-grave lot
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and maybe you had children
that were buried there
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or a couple of family members,
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well, you know, you're
moving out west,
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I'll give you $25 for your lot
368
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or $15, we really
don't have the figure,
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but what we see was
he was buying the lots
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and that's kind
of convoluted too,
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they would either be bought back
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in the name of Eastern Cemetery
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or they were bought by
Thomas Shanks personally.
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Louisville was a small town,
you would move west, okay,
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so it was in the paper, you
and your family moved west
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to find your fortune,
you've gone to St. Louis,
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maybe you wrote a letter back,
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it would get into
the local papers.
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At that point old
Thomas would go,
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hm, they're off the
scene now, your whole lot
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with the two or three graves
would go up for sale, okay.
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He was also apparently
one of the individuals
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or the individual
that discovered,
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hm, people aren't coming back
and visiting this section,
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we'll just rebury it completely.
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So this Thomas Shanks
starts actually reallocating
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parts of the cemetery
as new sections,
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we have the Old Slave Grounds
just completely disappeared,
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the Cheap Willow, the
Elm Tree division,
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there are entire sections of
that cemetery that are gone.
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- [Andy] When I've
gone out to Greenwood,
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which is half the
size of Eastern
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and basically the
same conditions.
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- So we were at Greenwood
and we were walking around
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and there literally are bones
on the surface of the ground,
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you can walk round and be
well, that's part of a fibula,
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that's like an occipital
at the back of the skull
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right there by that tree.
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00:23:45,631 --> 00:23:48,150
- Greenwood feels like it
wants to be left alone,
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it feels,
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it feels defeated,
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it's a sad, sad place.
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- [Narrator] In 1903
the Board of Trustees
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of Eastern Cemetery loan the
Union Land Development Company
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00:24:05,098 --> 00:24:07,031
composed primarily of prominent
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African-American undertakers
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$20,000 for the
purchase of lands
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and mapping out of a
new cemetery, Greenwood.
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00:24:14,729 --> 00:24:18,560
Three iterations of maps
exist for Greenwood Cemetery,
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1903, 1932 and 1984,
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these maps depict the
majority of the grounds
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having been reburied,
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in some cases entire
sections of Greenwood
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completely disappear
and in others,
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new sections have been
carved out of old ones.
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- Many of the black undertakers
formed a corporation
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and they borrowed money to
start Greenwood Cemetery, okay,
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the reason I know this is
from reading the minutes
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of Eastern Cemetery's
Board of Directors,
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they formed, they had
Stonestreet and Ford
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lay out the cemetery.
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The roads, this was
rural Jefferson County
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at the time were unpaved
and in the summer
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they wrote a letter to
the Board of Aldermans
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saying that the dirt
roads, the dust,
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'cause this was when
you were following
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a horse-drawn hearse
to the cemetery,
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the dust would
choke the mourners
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and then in the wintertime,
the mud was quagmire.
430
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,349
The members of Eastern Cemetery
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had so much political pull,
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that they kept the road
from being macadamized,
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as a result of that,
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or at least the black undertaker
consortium went under.
435
00:25:38,606 --> 00:25:42,541
The property was bought
at a Sheriff's auction,
436
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there are minutes that state
they hired an individual,
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who was not directly associated
with the Eastern Cemetery
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00:25:52,033 --> 00:25:55,692
to buy Greenwood Cemetery
at the Sheriff's auction,
439
00:25:56,865 --> 00:26:00,766
they did, they brought
the deed to the cemetery
440
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,769
and it was transferred
within a day or two
441
00:26:03,803 --> 00:26:06,219
to Eastern Cemetery Corporation
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00:26:06,254 --> 00:26:09,429
and then on top of that all,
443
00:26:10,810 --> 00:26:14,676
the note that was outstanding
by the black undertakers,
444
00:26:14,711 --> 00:26:17,265
the operator's fees for the
cemetery called the note
445
00:26:17,299 --> 00:26:21,441
and they wanted the
cash for the loan.
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- [Narrator] In May 1935
the Eastern Cemetery Company
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built Kentucky's first crematory
at a cost of around $8,000.
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00:26:29,277 --> 00:26:31,072
As demand grew,
the newly renamed
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00:26:31,106 --> 00:26:32,556
Louisville Crematory
and Cemetery Company
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cornered the market
on cremations
451
00:26:34,765 --> 00:26:36,905
and continued plans
for expansion.
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00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:39,908
In September 1957
construction began
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00:26:39,943 --> 00:26:42,635
on a new structure in the
back of Eastern Cemetery,
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00:26:42,670 --> 00:26:45,638
which would house the
offices, chapel, crematorium
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and columbarium at
the cost of $79,737.
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The construction of the
building and a new access road
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was directly over what
had previously been
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the Old Colored
Odd Fellows section
459
00:26:57,995 --> 00:27:00,066
and the remains of
numerous burials
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00:27:00,101 --> 00:27:01,343
were shifted into
a condensed area,
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00:27:01,378 --> 00:27:03,414
which would later
be re-designated
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as section 19 or Babyland.
463
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[light melodic music]
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In 1984 Paul and Shirley Barr
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sued Louisville Crematory
and Cemetery Company
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00:27:33,203 --> 00:27:35,343
when their son, Michael
couldn't be buried in a plot
467
00:27:35,377 --> 00:27:40,382
they had purchased in 1979,
because it was already occupied.
468
00:27:41,245 --> 00:27:42,695
The family was awarded $10,000
469
00:27:42,730 --> 00:27:44,283
and the court determined
that the defendants
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had done a sloppy job,
recommending a survey
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be done on all
graves sold pre-need.
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00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:53,948
In a Board meeting on
February 27th, 1987,
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the Barr case was discussed.
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00:27:55,777 --> 00:27:57,606
It is clear from the
minutes of this meeting,
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00:27:57,641 --> 00:27:59,678
the Board understood they were
going to have more problems
476
00:27:59,712 --> 00:28:01,990
with reserved graves,
they needed to secure
477
00:28:02,025 --> 00:28:04,544
additional burial
space for the future.
478
00:28:04,579 --> 00:28:06,374
Present were Clifford B Amos,
479
00:28:06,408 --> 00:28:09,584
President of the Board of
Directors and Charles Alexander,
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Executive Director in charge
of day to day operations.
481
00:28:15,417 --> 00:28:19,145
- Charlie was nice, he
could be very, very nice
482
00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:21,527
as far as running a company,
483
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,393
no, he depended on,
484
00:28:25,427 --> 00:28:28,741
he wasn't great at
management, he wasn't great,
485
00:28:28,776 --> 00:28:31,640
we all knew our jobs and
we all kind of did them,
486
00:28:31,675 --> 00:28:34,057
he was very good at
manipulating the guys.
487
00:28:34,091 --> 00:28:36,231
- You put that grave
there no matter what,
488
00:28:36,266 --> 00:28:38,130
I mean, that's their policy,
489
00:28:38,164 --> 00:28:39,821
they're not gonna call
a funeral director
490
00:28:39,856 --> 00:28:41,754
and tell a funeral director
491
00:28:41,789 --> 00:28:45,275
the grave you just called in
for so-and-so is not there,
492
00:28:45,309 --> 00:28:48,209
we got to do this and that,
they're not gonna do that,
493
00:28:48,243 --> 00:28:50,452
you know, they're not gonna
talk to the funeral director,
494
00:28:50,487 --> 00:28:52,109
they're not gonna tell a family,
495
00:28:52,144 --> 00:28:54,284
they're not gonna tell nobody
496
00:28:54,318 --> 00:28:57,943
you put the grave
there at whatever cost.
497
00:28:59,289 --> 00:29:01,878
I mean, for some, if
you're digging through one,
498
00:29:03,362 --> 00:29:07,953
dig the grave deep enough, put
the skeletal remains back in,
499
00:29:08,816 --> 00:29:10,162
make the burial on top of it.
500
00:29:11,542 --> 00:29:14,338
- [Narrator] Louisville
Crematory and Cemetery Company
501
00:29:14,373 --> 00:29:18,791
office staff included Barbara
Ray, bookkeeper since 1987
502
00:29:18,826 --> 00:29:23,140
and Beth Selch,
receptionist since 1984.
503
00:29:23,175 --> 00:29:26,143
Bob Allen worked alongside
two other gravediggers,
504
00:29:26,178 --> 00:29:28,905
Ronnie Aubury and JR Miles.
505
00:29:28,939 --> 00:29:31,355
For years Bob Allen
complained to his supervisor,
506
00:29:31,390 --> 00:29:34,186
Charles Alexander that
every time he dug a grave,
507
00:29:34,220 --> 00:29:36,636
he found signs of
a previous burial.
508
00:29:36,671 --> 00:29:40,088
Finally in 1988 Allen went
before the Board of Directors
509
00:29:40,123 --> 00:29:42,919
with his concerns, a policy
statement about the problem
510
00:29:42,953 --> 00:29:45,300
was to have been issued,
which would have protected
511
00:29:45,335 --> 00:29:47,544
the gravediggers from
legal repercussions,
512
00:29:47,578 --> 00:29:49,926
but no such document
ever materialized.
513
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,412
- You know, when they
found I was bringing it up
514
00:29:53,446 --> 00:29:56,656
and he said, "Well, I'll
approach the board with it,
515
00:29:56,691 --> 00:29:59,694
"I'll talk to Amos
and Copley about it,
516
00:29:59,728 --> 00:30:02,628
"I'll get some answers and
I'll get back to you all."
517
00:30:02,662 --> 00:30:03,974
but it never happened.
518
00:30:05,493 --> 00:30:08,254
- When the guys
started coming in,
519
00:30:09,911 --> 00:30:13,604
probably early '89
talking to us finally,
520
00:30:13,639 --> 00:30:16,780
saying here's what's happening,
we're going out there
521
00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:20,680
and we're having to
hide skulls with tarps,
522
00:30:20,715 --> 00:30:22,855
so these family
members were not seeing
523
00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:24,581
that there's other
bodies in the dirt
524
00:30:24,615 --> 00:30:26,928
that's going to be
refilled into the grave,
525
00:30:26,963 --> 00:30:29,724
there's lots of bones and bodies
526
00:30:29,758 --> 00:30:31,312
and we told them we don't care
527
00:30:31,346 --> 00:30:33,107
what the Board members
are telling you,
528
00:30:33,141 --> 00:30:34,039
we don't care what
Charlie's telling you,
529
00:30:34,073 --> 00:30:35,661
what you're doing is illegal.
530
00:30:35,695 --> 00:30:38,664
- Charlie had a seat,
he had a sign that said
531
00:30:38,698 --> 00:30:41,011
Don't Worry, Be Happy
532
00:30:42,150 --> 00:30:43,669
and we kept on
talking and talking
533
00:30:43,703 --> 00:30:46,534
and I thought how the hell
are you gonna be happy,
534
00:30:46,568 --> 00:30:50,469
because I'm done, I'm
done with it, you know,
535
00:30:50,503 --> 00:30:51,919
so I got off that day at noon,
536
00:30:51,953 --> 00:30:53,990
I come home and
first thing I did
537
00:30:54,024 --> 00:30:56,613
was call the Attorney
General's Office.
538
00:30:56,647 --> 00:30:59,064
- They sent, the AG's
Office sent an accountant in
539
00:30:59,098 --> 00:31:02,170
to look at the books
and this other guy,
540
00:31:02,205 --> 00:31:04,552
this other guy turns
out to be a detective
541
00:31:04,586 --> 00:31:07,141
for the Attorney
General's Office
542
00:31:07,175 --> 00:31:11,870
and he just kind of hangs out
with the guys for two weeks
543
00:31:11,904 --> 00:31:16,598
and literally there
are McDonald's bags
under the front seat
544
00:31:16,633 --> 00:31:19,532
with femur heads and human bones
545
00:31:19,567 --> 00:31:21,431
and there's just
bones everywhere.
546
00:31:21,465 --> 00:31:25,159
- [Narrator] On the morning
of Tuesday May 30th, 1989,
547
00:31:25,193 --> 00:31:26,781
Jim Caldwell entered
the cemetery offices
548
00:31:26,815 --> 00:31:29,957
under the guise of performing
the annual tax audit
549
00:31:29,991 --> 00:31:32,718
along with Rick Morris, an
auditor from the AG's Office.
550
00:31:32,752 --> 00:31:36,584
- Jim Caldwell
came in with Rick,
551
00:31:36,618 --> 00:31:39,345
Rick was an auditor with the
Attorney General's Office
552
00:31:39,380 --> 00:31:41,727
and Jim Caldwell came in
553
00:31:43,177 --> 00:31:47,940
and immediately Barbara and
I knew he was not an auditor.
554
00:31:48,872 --> 00:31:50,598
- Jim, the first time I met him,
555
00:31:52,945 --> 00:31:57,916
Jim, you could see the
cop coming out of him,
556
00:31:59,089 --> 00:32:01,126
I mean, you know, he
was strictly business.
557
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,818
- I knew he was a police
officer the minute he walked in,
558
00:32:03,852 --> 00:32:08,788
nobody wears brown polyester
except for a police officer.
559
00:32:08,823 --> 00:32:11,032
- When I met Jim
for the first time,
560
00:32:11,067 --> 00:32:14,346
he was wearing jeans
and a white T-shirt
561
00:32:14,380 --> 00:32:18,902
and a leather shoulder
holster with a .357 Magnum
562
00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:20,766
with a sixer and
eight-inch each barrel.
563
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,906
- [Narrator] Under
normal circumstances,
564
00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:26,185
graves were always dug the
day prior to a funeral,
565
00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:27,773
but after Jim
Caldwell's arrival,
566
00:32:27,807 --> 00:32:30,293
Charles Alexander
instructed the ground crew
567
00:32:30,327 --> 00:32:33,848
to hold off on preparations for
the burial of James Dudgeon,
568
00:32:33,882 --> 00:32:35,884
which was scheduled
for the following day.
569
00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:37,817
- [Bob] Okay, he told
Ronnie and JR not to dig it,
570
00:32:37,852 --> 00:32:40,717
while they were there,
he said, "Wait."
571
00:32:42,167 --> 00:32:44,307
He said, "While they're in the
cemetery, don't do it, wait."
572
00:32:44,341 --> 00:32:46,999
So they dug it the
next day by the office.
573
00:32:47,034 --> 00:32:49,726
- There was going to be a
burial and a rose garden
574
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,211
right outside of my
office the following day
575
00:32:52,246 --> 00:32:54,420
and they knew they
would find something,
576
00:32:54,455 --> 00:32:57,009
they absolutely knew,
they always did.
577
00:32:57,044 --> 00:33:00,909
So it was gonna be set up to
where Jim Caldwell came up
578
00:33:00,944 --> 00:33:02,394
when they had dug the grave.
579
00:33:02,428 --> 00:33:05,845
- They hit all kinds of
previous burials in there,
580
00:33:07,295 --> 00:33:12,300
it was loaded on the dump
truck, taken back and dumped,
581
00:33:13,474 --> 00:33:15,648
it was just normal
procedure, you know,
582
00:33:15,683 --> 00:33:18,582
they dug through whatever
it was, went on the truck,
583
00:33:18,617 --> 00:33:20,584
dumped it, covered it up
584
00:33:20,619 --> 00:33:22,483
to make the burial the next day.
585
00:33:23,794 --> 00:33:25,934
- From what Bob
Allen had told me
586
00:33:25,969 --> 00:33:30,318
about that specific burial,
there were I believe
587
00:33:30,353 --> 00:33:33,218
three to four
bodies in the grave,
588
00:33:33,252 --> 00:33:36,945
where Mr. Dudgeon was
supposed to be placed.
589
00:33:36,980 --> 00:33:40,708
The Attorney General's Office
came back in two days later
590
00:33:40,742 --> 00:33:45,678
actually carrying almost a
backpack filled with bones.
591
00:33:45,713 --> 00:33:50,166
- [Narrator] Around seven a.m.,
Thursday June the 1st, 1989,
592
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,788
Bob Allen unlocked
the front gate
593
00:33:51,822 --> 00:33:54,894
and let Jim Caldwell
back to the stone vault,
594
00:33:54,929 --> 00:33:56,448
Caldwell entered
with a flashlight
595
00:33:56,482 --> 00:33:58,208
and found what was
later determined to be
596
00:33:58,243 --> 00:34:01,418
a human tibia on one
of the stone shelves.
597
00:34:01,453 --> 00:34:03,524
Later Charles
Alexander told Caldwell
598
00:34:03,558 --> 00:34:05,353
that the cemetery
was very, very old
599
00:34:05,388 --> 00:34:08,908
and unidentified bodies were
laying in some locations.
600
00:34:08,943 --> 00:34:10,393
When remains are found
601
00:34:10,427 --> 00:34:12,015
in what is thought
to be an empty grave,
602
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:15,467
the procedure is to allow
for the new burial anyway.
603
00:34:17,124 --> 00:34:18,815
- Jim, the morning
he come in there
604
00:34:18,849 --> 00:34:21,404
and I turned things over to him,
605
00:34:21,438 --> 00:34:25,753
he went to the Coroner's Office
to make sure it was human.
606
00:34:25,787 --> 00:34:28,100
I know he told me
one time, he said,
607
00:34:28,135 --> 00:34:31,655
"I'll put yellow tape
around this whole building
608
00:34:31,690 --> 00:34:33,933
"and lock every one of them up."
609
00:34:33,968 --> 00:34:37,075
- [Narrator] After taking the
remains to the County Coroner,
610
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:38,731
Jim Caldwell returned to conduct
611
00:34:38,766 --> 00:34:41,009
a more thorough investigation,
612
00:34:41,044 --> 00:34:44,806
he found human remains in
a golf cart, a tool box,
613
00:34:44,841 --> 00:34:47,706
some strewn on the ground
near the office building,
614
00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:51,296
others in a garbage can, while
some remains were discovered
615
00:34:51,330 --> 00:34:53,263
rolled up in a fast food bag
616
00:34:53,298 --> 00:34:55,231
stashed in a truck's
glove compartment.
617
00:34:56,404 --> 00:34:58,130
- I mean, I think they
were told you know,
618
00:34:58,165 --> 00:35:01,237
if you're out there, find
something, pick it up,
619
00:35:01,271 --> 00:35:02,928
but some of it wound up
in the pick up truck,
620
00:35:02,962 --> 00:35:05,482
some of it wound
up on the backhoe,
621
00:35:05,517 --> 00:35:08,520
it's just where people went
through and they picked it up,
622
00:35:08,554 --> 00:35:12,213
you know, not trying to hide it,
623
00:35:12,248 --> 00:35:14,595
but they knew it was out
there on the grounds.
624
00:36:14,689 --> 00:36:16,070
- [Narrator] The Kentucky
Attorney General's Office
625
00:36:16,104 --> 00:36:19,453
brought charges against the
then 145 year old company
626
00:36:19,487 --> 00:36:21,524
and its three chief officers,
627
00:36:21,558 --> 00:36:25,838
Clifford B Amos, Robert
Copley and Charles Alexander.
628
00:36:25,873 --> 00:36:28,634
All three men pled
innocent in July 1989
629
00:36:28,669 --> 00:36:31,672
after a grand jury indicted
them on over 60 counts
630
00:36:31,706 --> 00:36:34,709
including corpse abuse,
grave desecration,
631
00:36:34,744 --> 00:36:36,608
improper handling
of burial payments
632
00:36:36,642 --> 00:36:38,506
and failure to
keep adequate funds
633
00:36:38,541 --> 00:36:40,646
in Perpetual Care
Trust accounts.
634
00:36:40,681 --> 00:36:42,441
If convicted on all
criminal charges,
635
00:36:42,476 --> 00:36:44,685
Louisville Crematory
and Cemetery Company
636
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,032
face fines up to $1.1 million
637
00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:49,897
and Amos, Copley and
Alexander were subject
638
00:36:49,931 --> 00:36:53,901
to sentences of up to
268 years in prison.
639
00:36:53,935 --> 00:36:56,214
- It was in total contradiction
640
00:36:56,248 --> 00:36:58,008
of everything my Dad stood for,
641
00:36:59,424 --> 00:37:03,221
I mean, he was just such an
upstanding type of individual.
642
00:37:04,601 --> 00:37:09,157
I certainly could imagine
that it could have taken place
643
00:37:10,297 --> 00:37:12,506
without his knowledge
or awareness,
644
00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:14,404
he really probably should not
645
00:37:14,439 --> 00:37:16,958
have been in the
role that he was in,
646
00:37:16,993 --> 00:37:21,239
he did not know anything
about cemeteries.
647
00:37:21,273 --> 00:37:25,173
- [Narrator] An injunction
filed July the 21st, 1989
648
00:37:25,208 --> 00:37:28,107
prohibited any new burials
at Eastern or Greenwood,
649
00:37:28,142 --> 00:37:32,111
except for the 3,200
pre-need plots already sold.
650
00:37:32,146 --> 00:37:34,252
The order also
stated every burial
651
00:37:34,286 --> 00:37:35,736
would have to first be examined
652
00:37:35,770 --> 00:37:38,290
by an archeologist from the
University of Louisville.
653
00:37:38,325 --> 00:37:40,396
- [Phil] A relatively large
percentage of the graves,
654
00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:44,469
that have been sold as reserves
as we investigate them,
655
00:37:44,503 --> 00:37:46,747
the grave right behind
you as a matter of fact
656
00:37:46,781 --> 00:37:48,611
was occupied by
three individuals
657
00:37:48,645 --> 00:37:51,545
and then by the time we got
to the third individual,
658
00:37:51,579 --> 00:37:53,340
all we had was the pelvic region
659
00:37:53,374 --> 00:37:55,411
and they had been just cut
660
00:37:55,445 --> 00:37:57,344
and basically a third
of the individual
661
00:37:57,378 --> 00:37:59,967
had been cut off with a backhoe.
662
00:38:00,001 --> 00:38:02,728
- [Bob] Phil DiBlasi
is an incredible man,
663
00:38:02,763 --> 00:38:07,492
I mean, the knowledge that
guy's got is incredible,
664
00:38:07,526 --> 00:38:09,390
I mean, they used him
665
00:38:09,425 --> 00:38:11,012
because when the
investigation was going on,
666
00:38:11,047 --> 00:38:14,706
they had to have somebody
that was qualified to go in
667
00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:18,882
and check that grave and
make sure it could be used.
668
00:38:18,917 --> 00:38:21,091
- I was involved with
the investigation
669
00:38:21,126 --> 00:38:22,714
under the Attorney General,
670
00:38:22,748 --> 00:38:26,131
the court order said you people
are operating a cemetery,
671
00:38:26,165 --> 00:38:27,615
but you can't violate the law,
672
00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:29,272
so to keep you from
violating the law,
673
00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:31,067
we're gonna have an
archeologist come in here
674
00:38:31,101 --> 00:38:33,966
and every time you open a
grave, he's gonna look at it
675
00:38:34,001 --> 00:38:35,485
to find out if it's
previously occupied.
676
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,936
- [Narrator] Phil DiBlasi
began his investigation
677
00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:41,733
of Eastern and Greenwood
Cemeteries in July of 1989,
678
00:38:41,767 --> 00:38:43,700
digging up about
two graves a day,
679
00:38:43,735 --> 00:38:46,427
usually side by side with
Jim Caldwell and Bob Allen.
680
00:38:46,462 --> 00:38:50,051
By November DiBlasi reported
checking about 70 sites
681
00:38:50,086 --> 00:38:52,019
and only a few failed
to produce remains
682
00:38:52,053 --> 00:38:53,503
from previous burials.
683
00:38:53,538 --> 00:38:58,094
- [Phil] As we were digging
the grave for Esther C Nelson,
684
00:38:59,923 --> 00:39:03,375
we encountered the pelvic region
685
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:06,033
and lower extremities
of individual one.
686
00:39:06,067 --> 00:39:08,898
- [Narrator] In one case at
a family member's request,
687
00:39:08,932 --> 00:39:12,591
the remains of Jesse W
Melson and Ivy Irene DeSpain
688
00:39:12,626 --> 00:39:14,041
were disinterred and identified
689
00:39:14,075 --> 00:39:16,733
for relocation to
another cemetery.
690
00:39:16,768 --> 00:39:18,873
During the excavation
of the grave,
691
00:39:18,908 --> 00:39:21,945
remains of more than a dozen
previous burials were found.
692
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:25,639
- We have individuals,
these are all,
693
00:39:25,673 --> 00:39:28,918
the 10 of these that
we've indicated here
694
00:39:28,952 --> 00:39:33,198
are John or Jane Doe, they
were buried prior to 1870.
695
00:39:33,232 --> 00:39:36,235
The individuals I'm
going to point out now
696
00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:38,237
are individuals who
are on the modern grid.
697
00:39:38,272 --> 00:39:40,930
- [Narrator] The re-designation
of cemetery sections
698
00:39:40,964 --> 00:39:43,450
is clear as the modern
burials face the road,
699
00:39:43,484 --> 00:39:46,245
but the ancient
burials are facing east
700
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,455
in continuity with
Christian burial traditions
701
00:39:48,489 --> 00:39:50,008
in the 19th century.
702
00:39:50,042 --> 00:39:51,768
- There are approximately,
703
00:39:51,803 --> 00:39:54,909
well at first there
was intended to be
704
00:39:54,944 --> 00:39:56,635
and for a while was maintained
705
00:39:56,670 --> 00:40:00,536
a Perpetual Care
Fund by the cemetery,
706
00:40:00,570 --> 00:40:04,056
that Perpetual Care Fund I
am informed by witnesses,
707
00:40:04,091 --> 00:40:05,644
who are prepared
here to testify,
708
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:10,684
but will do so by affidavit,
is about $100,000 short.
709
00:40:11,892 --> 00:40:14,446
Now the nature of a
Perpetual Care Fund
710
00:40:14,481 --> 00:40:18,899
is that when one purchases a
burial site in the cemetery,
711
00:40:20,107 --> 00:40:22,385
a certain portion of
that purchase price
712
00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:24,594
goes to setting up a fund,
713
00:40:24,629 --> 00:40:27,873
that theoretically the interest
and income from that fund
714
00:40:27,908 --> 00:40:29,668
over the years
will be sufficient
715
00:40:29,703 --> 00:40:33,396
to maintain cutting the
grass in the cemetery
716
00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:35,191
and even maintain
it in the years
717
00:40:35,225 --> 00:40:37,780
after the cemetery becomes full.
718
00:40:37,814 --> 00:40:40,921
- [Narrator] The Perpetual
Care Fund for Eastern Cemetery
719
00:40:40,955 --> 00:40:44,649
was estimated to be
missing over $117,000,
720
00:40:44,683 --> 00:40:47,721
which by law was to be used
for the upkeep of graves,
721
00:40:47,755 --> 00:40:50,551
monuments and cemetery grounds.
722
00:40:50,586 --> 00:40:52,967
The cemetery had also
been illegally charging
723
00:40:53,002 --> 00:40:54,728
family members for annual care,
724
00:40:54,762 --> 00:40:57,800
although these services
were never rendered.
725
00:40:57,834 --> 00:40:59,491
- You shouldn't have to do that,
726
00:40:59,526 --> 00:41:04,254
if the money is being
put into the Trust Fund
727
00:41:04,289 --> 00:41:06,360
like it should have been,
728
00:41:06,394 --> 00:41:08,500
there wouldn't be a need
to charge the family
729
00:41:08,535 --> 00:41:10,398
or whether it was legal or not,
730
00:41:10,433 --> 00:41:14,575
probably not to charge
these families $50 a year,
731
00:41:14,610 --> 00:41:17,751
75, $100 a year to
maintain their graves.
732
00:41:17,785 --> 00:41:20,892
- [Narrator] After building
Kentucky's first crematory,
733
00:41:20,926 --> 00:41:23,204
Eastern Cemetery held a monopoly
on the cremation business
734
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,483
throughout the 20th century.
735
00:41:25,517 --> 00:41:28,037
On August the 8th, 1966
736
00:41:28,071 --> 00:41:29,832
the University of
Louisville Medical School
737
00:41:29,866 --> 00:41:32,006
sent over several
cadavers for cremation
738
00:41:32,041 --> 00:41:35,803
and by the 1980s, Eastern
Cemetery was solely responsible
739
00:41:35,838 --> 00:41:39,255
for all medical waste
cremations from U of L.
740
00:41:39,289 --> 00:41:41,326
- We received bodies every year,
741
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,363
if you donate your body
to the Medical School,
742
00:41:44,398 --> 00:41:46,573
they use your body for science,
743
00:41:46,607 --> 00:41:48,851
after a year your
body is cremated
744
00:41:48,885 --> 00:41:51,060
and it is returned
to the family,
745
00:41:51,094 --> 00:41:53,614
that is what is
supposed to happen.
746
00:41:53,649 --> 00:41:56,237
- Jim Caldwell was upset
747
00:41:56,272 --> 00:41:59,758
with the way the med schools
748
00:41:59,793 --> 00:42:01,795
were treating the human remains
749
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:04,073
that were coming
in for cremation.
750
00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:11,425
There were 20 or 30 sets
of remains at a time,
751
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:15,153
they were supposed to come back
752
00:42:15,187 --> 00:42:17,362
in individual boxes
and individual
753
00:42:17,396 --> 00:42:22,298
and I understand that they
were coming back kind of mixed.
754
00:42:22,332 --> 00:42:25,232
- The year that we
got bodies over there,
755
00:42:25,266 --> 00:42:29,857
a body came out of the box,
the box it was sent over in,
756
00:42:31,031 --> 00:42:34,655
that box, Bob Allen
came up and got me
757
00:42:34,690 --> 00:42:37,002
and he said, "We
have a problem."
758
00:42:37,037 --> 00:42:41,766
When I went downstairs there
were probably in that box
759
00:42:43,043 --> 00:42:46,011
five heads, 22 toes
760
00:42:47,495 --> 00:42:50,913
and 18 mice in one box.
761
00:42:50,947 --> 00:42:53,709
- They were cremating, they
were accused of cremating
762
00:42:53,743 --> 00:42:55,918
more than one body
at the same time,
763
00:42:55,952 --> 00:43:00,301
so technically if you cremate
764
00:43:00,336 --> 00:43:01,717
parts of two or three people
765
00:43:03,166 --> 00:43:08,033
from a med school
medical waste as one,
766
00:43:08,068 --> 00:43:09,587
is that breaking the law?
767
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,899
- And I said stop
what we're doing,
768
00:43:11,934 --> 00:43:14,039
I'm calling the Attorney
General's Office,
769
00:43:14,074 --> 00:43:15,972
finding out what we need to do.
770
00:43:16,939 --> 00:43:18,078
Jim Caldwell had to come over,
771
00:43:18,112 --> 00:43:20,149
we had to open
each and every box,
772
00:43:20,183 --> 00:43:22,254
because each body is
supposed to be returned
773
00:43:22,289 --> 00:43:24,015
to the family, a whole body,
774
00:43:24,049 --> 00:43:28,640
in one of the boxes we
found probably 15 babies,
775
00:43:31,470 --> 00:43:32,955
that had notes on the box,
776
00:43:32,989 --> 00:43:36,510
these babies were no
doubt over 365 grams,
777
00:43:36,544 --> 00:43:40,100
they were not abortions,
all of them were babies
778
00:43:40,134 --> 00:43:42,067
that should've had
proper burials.
779
00:43:43,517 --> 00:43:47,038
It was declared that everything
in those boxes were okay,
780
00:43:47,072 --> 00:43:48,729
basically the Attorney
General's Office
781
00:43:48,764 --> 00:43:50,386
did not in any
way, shape or form
782
00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:53,216
wanna take on the University
of Louisville Medical School.
783
00:43:53,251 --> 00:43:56,081
- [Narrator] Over the
course of the investigation,
784
00:43:56,116 --> 00:43:58,359
cemetery workers
told Jim Caldwell
785
00:43:58,394 --> 00:43:59,982
that about 70 infants' bodies
786
00:44:00,016 --> 00:44:02,536
were buried less than a
foot beneath the surface
787
00:44:02,570 --> 00:44:04,814
in section 19 or Babyland.
788
00:44:06,298 --> 00:44:10,613
- And a couple of times I
was told to come to court
789
00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:14,686
to testify about Baby ground,
Babyland, some other thing.
790
00:44:14,721 --> 00:44:19,449
I get down there, no, no,
no, they don't need you,
791
00:44:19,484 --> 00:44:21,831
you know, we're not gonna
get that for that spot,
792
00:44:21,866 --> 00:44:24,282
we're not gonna get there,
793
00:44:24,316 --> 00:44:26,180
you know, it's like they
don't wanna hear it, man,
794
00:44:26,215 --> 00:44:28,044
you know, they
don't wanna hear it.
795
00:44:29,183 --> 00:44:31,082
- Babyland as we
call it, section 19,
796
00:44:32,255 --> 00:44:34,844
there are several
babies buried there,
797
00:44:34,879 --> 00:44:37,329
a lot of them still
don't have tombstones,
798
00:44:37,364 --> 00:44:40,332
they still have just the
classic pieces of paper
799
00:44:42,749 --> 00:44:45,268
and a lot of those
babies were buried
800
00:44:46,891 --> 00:44:50,377
maybe nine inches deep,
maybe 12 inches deep.
801
00:44:50,411 --> 00:44:52,482
- [Narrator] Caldwell
found that infants
802
00:44:52,517 --> 00:44:54,588
were routinely buried
in wooden containers
803
00:44:54,622 --> 00:44:56,452
constructed of one
inch pine boards
804
00:44:56,486 --> 00:44:57,867
and the identified graves
805
00:44:57,902 --> 00:45:00,559
ranged from 10 to
24 inches in depth.
806
00:45:02,009 --> 00:45:05,461
- I did a disinterment there
and literally took my trowel
807
00:45:05,495 --> 00:45:08,291
and scraped the grass
off and hit the lid
808
00:45:08,326 --> 00:45:11,950
of the wooden box the
stillborn was buried in.
809
00:45:11,985 --> 00:45:15,713
- [Beth] The babies
were absolutely,
810
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,097
I actually have
pictures of one baby
811
00:45:21,132 --> 00:45:23,928
and like I said, that
was put into a jar
812
00:45:23,962 --> 00:45:28,484
and put into a grave
maybe nine inches deep.
813
00:45:28,518 --> 00:45:30,969
- I made a couple of
burials back there,
814
00:45:32,005 --> 00:45:34,352
all of us did, Ronnie did some,
815
00:45:34,386 --> 00:45:36,872
JR's done some, I done a couple,
816
00:45:36,906 --> 00:45:40,565
but I know one I did when
I was digging the grave,
817
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:44,258
because the little baby grave
you dig by hand with a shovel,
818
00:45:44,293 --> 00:45:49,160
you know, 'cause you're
usually gonna go one by two,
819
00:45:49,194 --> 00:45:53,302
one foot wide and two foot
long, maybe two foot deep,
820
00:45:53,336 --> 00:45:55,925
a foot and a half,
two foot deep,
821
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,514
but when I dug, I
didn't get that far,
822
00:45:58,548 --> 00:46:02,518
when I hit a leg bone,
pretty good size femur
823
00:46:03,899 --> 00:46:06,453
and I just stopped right there,
I said no, this is it, man,
824
00:46:06,487 --> 00:46:08,835
I stopped and I went to
get Charlie, you know,
825
00:46:08,869 --> 00:46:10,664
I said you ain't got
that far to walk,
826
00:46:10,698 --> 00:46:12,045
come out there and take a look,
827
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:14,910
so he walked down, he
looked, he said, "Pick it up,
828
00:46:16,325 --> 00:46:18,637
"finish digging the grave
deep enough to get by
829
00:46:18,672 --> 00:46:20,778
"and put that back in
there on the bottom."
830
00:46:21,986 --> 00:46:25,230
[somber melodic music]
831
00:46:31,271 --> 00:46:33,894
- [Narrator] Addah
Herdt, a longtime member
832
00:46:33,929 --> 00:46:35,516
of Christ United
Church accepted a seat
833
00:46:35,551 --> 00:46:38,450
on the Board of
Directors in 1974
834
00:46:38,485 --> 00:46:40,452
and in 1980 took a full time job
835
00:46:40,487 --> 00:46:42,523
as office manager
at Eastern Cemetery.
836
00:46:42,558 --> 00:46:44,284
Addah's daily responsibilities
837
00:46:44,318 --> 00:46:46,113
included sales of
burial monuments
838
00:46:46,148 --> 00:46:48,944
and billing for the annual
and lifetime care plans.
839
00:46:48,978 --> 00:46:51,739
- I had a lady that
came to my hospital room
840
00:46:51,774 --> 00:46:54,846
and offered to "Take care
of it," as she put it
841
00:46:54,881 --> 00:46:58,850
and at that point I'd had
a really terrible delivery.
842
00:46:58,885 --> 00:47:01,266
So I was just at
a loss what to do,
843
00:47:01,301 --> 00:47:04,891
so I let her take care of
it, take care of the burial
844
00:47:06,754 --> 00:47:08,308
and I can still
see her face today,
845
00:47:08,342 --> 00:47:11,483
'cause I think she knew what
was happening down there.
846
00:47:11,518 --> 00:47:13,831
- [Narrator] In the mid-1980s,
847
00:47:13,865 --> 00:47:16,730
Addah Herdt began soliciting
the mothers of stillborn babies
848
00:47:16,764 --> 00:47:18,939
while still recovering
in their hospital rooms
849
00:47:18,974 --> 00:47:21,631
offering them closure through
the burial of their child
850
00:47:21,666 --> 00:47:24,703
at Eastern Cemetery for the
very reasonable cost of $75.
851
00:47:25,981 --> 00:47:27,499
She would sit bedside
852
00:47:27,534 --> 00:47:30,917
and write out the bill of
sale on a hospital napkin.
853
00:47:30,951 --> 00:47:33,954
- Well, she came down as a
representative of Eastern
854
00:47:33,989 --> 00:47:35,922
and so she just came
in the room and said,
855
00:47:35,956 --> 00:47:37,440
you know, she did the normal,
"I'm sorry what happened,"
856
00:47:37,475 --> 00:47:38,994
blah blah blah and then said,
857
00:47:39,028 --> 00:47:41,928
"For $75 we can take
care of the burial,"
858
00:47:41,962 --> 00:47:44,862
and at that point, like I
said I had a rough delivery
859
00:47:44,896 --> 00:47:49,038
and I didn't know what
to do, so I let her
860
00:47:49,073 --> 00:47:52,662
and as soon as I was able
to, I went down there,
861
00:47:52,697 --> 00:47:55,182
to where I thought
he was buried.
862
00:47:55,217 --> 00:47:59,014
- Because she had talked to
this lady for a couple of hours
863
00:47:59,048 --> 00:48:02,638
and shared the most
intimate details of her life
864
00:48:02,672 --> 00:48:05,675
with this woman who seemed
to be so nice and caring,
865
00:48:05,710 --> 00:48:10,715
to sit there and
listen, that you know,
866
00:48:12,959 --> 00:48:15,996
I mean, who would fake
something like that?
867
00:48:16,031 --> 00:48:19,827
Who would make up that
stuff to deceive you?
868
00:48:19,862 --> 00:48:23,521
Who would act like that and
have an ulterior motive,
869
00:48:23,555 --> 00:48:25,833
when you've just
been through so much.
870
00:48:27,214 --> 00:48:31,218
The people of the Louisville
Cemetery Crematory Incorporated
871
00:48:31,253 --> 00:48:34,912
would, that's who
would, that's who did
872
00:48:36,396 --> 00:48:41,159
and because of that, she chose
to have her baby buried there
873
00:48:42,367 --> 00:48:44,714
and felt good about it
for a very short time.
874
00:48:47,372 --> 00:48:51,411
Needless to say when
she stopped going,
875
00:48:51,445 --> 00:48:54,966
because she heard of
what happened there.
876
00:48:55,001 --> 00:48:56,485
- I saw it on the news
877
00:48:59,971 --> 00:49:03,768
and I thought that nightmare
of a delivery just got worse
878
00:49:05,804 --> 00:49:08,083
and that was my first thought,
879
00:49:08,117 --> 00:49:13,053
that this nightmare,
it just became worse.
880
00:49:13,088 --> 00:49:14,952
- Who in the hell
takes advantage
881
00:49:14,986 --> 00:49:17,920
of a person in that situation?
882
00:49:20,026 --> 00:49:23,857
I mean, what's wrong
with somebody that,
883
00:49:25,479 --> 00:49:28,931
and not even
somebody, a business,
884
00:49:28,966 --> 00:49:32,762
I mean, it was their practice,
885
00:49:32,797 --> 00:49:34,868
that's how they
conducted their business
886
00:49:34,902 --> 00:49:38,147
by preying on people like her,
887
00:49:39,977 --> 00:49:42,565
who every single one of them
is gonna be going through
888
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,809
one of the hardest
times of their lives.
889
00:49:44,843 --> 00:49:47,639
- My big thing was just not
being able to go down there
890
00:49:47,674 --> 00:49:51,195
and I also just felt like
a fool for a long time,
891
00:49:51,229 --> 00:49:54,439
thinking I've been going
down there and who's there,
892
00:49:54,474 --> 00:49:56,269
if anyone and it
just felt dirty.
893
00:49:59,237 --> 00:50:01,032
- [Narrator] After the news
894
00:50:01,067 --> 00:50:03,724
of the over burial of
Eastern Cemetery broke,
895
00:50:03,759 --> 00:50:05,830
the families of those
resting there were outraged.
896
00:50:05,864 --> 00:50:08,764
Attorney General, Fred Cowan
said more than 200 people
897
00:50:08,798 --> 00:50:10,800
called to file complaints
or seek information
898
00:50:10,835 --> 00:50:12,768
within the first week
of the indictment.
899
00:50:12,802 --> 00:50:14,459
- You have to understand,
900
00:50:14,494 --> 00:50:17,945
you had hundreds and
thousands of family members
901
00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:21,742
coming up wanting to know
once this broke news,
902
00:50:21,777 --> 00:50:23,779
is my family buried
with somebody else?
903
00:50:23,813 --> 00:50:25,781
Is my grave still available?
904
00:50:25,815 --> 00:50:27,403
No, your grave's not available,
905
00:50:27,438 --> 00:50:29,060
your grave's not available,
906
00:50:29,095 --> 00:50:31,890
because there's probably 13
people in your grave also
907
00:50:31,925 --> 00:50:34,307
and do you get a refund on this?
908
00:50:34,341 --> 00:50:35,860
No, you don't,
909
00:50:35,894 --> 00:50:38,690
the cemetery doesn't have
any money to pay you back.
910
00:50:38,725 --> 00:50:41,693
Oh well, I'm gonna
move my husband out of,
911
00:50:41,728 --> 00:50:43,074
okay, well, you can do that,
912
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:45,697
but you have to
pay an archeologist
913
00:50:45,732 --> 00:50:48,286
or an investigator
to identify the body,
914
00:50:48,321 --> 00:50:51,565
plus you have to buy a
grave in another cemetery.
915
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,845
- We were out in the
cemetery doing an exhumation
916
00:50:57,019 --> 00:50:59,884
and this pick up truck
came and somebody,
917
00:50:59,918 --> 00:51:01,748
one of the crew members
from the cemetery
918
00:51:01,782 --> 00:51:04,820
realized who it was,
this guy pulls up,
919
00:51:04,854 --> 00:51:08,410
sticks a double barrel
shotgun out the window at us
920
00:51:08,444 --> 00:51:12,552
at which point everybody is
kind of like diving for cover
921
00:51:14,140 --> 00:51:16,245
and he said he wanted to
know where the boys were,
922
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,352
where his children were
and then he drove off.
923
00:51:39,130 --> 00:51:43,790
- [Bob] When we were still
working and cremating people,
924
00:51:43,824 --> 00:51:45,274
I had to lock the front door,
925
00:51:45,309 --> 00:51:47,276
them girls left, they
couldn't take it no more,
926
00:51:47,311 --> 00:51:49,347
I mean, the phone
calls were unreal,
927
00:51:49,382 --> 00:51:51,832
threats, threats, people
beating on the doors,
928
00:51:51,867 --> 00:51:54,180
that the only thing they'd know
929
00:51:54,214 --> 00:51:55,595
is what they'd
read in the paper,
930
00:51:55,629 --> 00:51:58,529
they didn't know
that I'm still there,
931
00:51:58,563 --> 00:52:00,738
Beth's still there,
Barbara's still there
932
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,224
trying to keep the place going,
I mean, why, I don't know,
933
00:52:04,259 --> 00:52:05,846
because there was
no future for it,
934
00:52:05,881 --> 00:52:08,159
but I just felt obligated.
935
00:52:08,194 --> 00:52:12,301
- That's what we said,
we felt an obligation
936
00:52:12,336 --> 00:52:16,961
to try to deal with these
families on some sort of level.
937
00:52:16,995 --> 00:52:20,137
You had families bringing
weapons up there,
938
00:52:20,171 --> 00:52:21,724
they might also
have told you that,
939
00:52:21,759 --> 00:52:25,003
but you had families bringing
weapons up, they were angry,
940
00:52:25,038 --> 00:52:28,628
I certainly would be, if
it had happened to me,
941
00:52:28,662 --> 00:52:31,424
my father's dead and buried
942
00:52:31,458 --> 00:52:34,668
and they were very angry and
they were very frustrated
943
00:52:34,703 --> 00:52:38,707
and there was not any
answers we could give them,
944
00:52:38,741 --> 00:52:41,296
the Attorney General's Office
didn't wanna talk to them,
945
00:52:41,330 --> 00:52:44,575
they were sorry they had ever
gotten in the middle of this,
946
00:52:44,609 --> 00:52:46,715
they were sorry any
of this had ever been,
947
00:52:46,749 --> 00:52:48,372
they wished all this
would just go away.
948
00:52:48,406 --> 00:52:50,684
- [Narrator] After the
removal of Charles Alexander
949
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,100
and the resignation of all
the remaining Board members,
950
00:52:53,135 --> 00:52:56,380
the Cemetery Company was
placed in receivership.
951
00:52:56,414 --> 00:52:58,554
In October of 1991, Beth Selch
952
00:52:58,589 --> 00:53:01,626
was appointed to oversee
the company by the court
953
00:53:01,661 --> 00:53:04,629
only days after her
marriage to Jim Caldwell.
954
00:53:04,664 --> 00:53:06,424
- Jim and Beth
Caldwell, [laughing]
955
00:53:06,459 --> 00:53:09,289
Jim came together
with Beth Selch,
956
00:53:11,947 --> 00:53:16,779
she was the secretary, she
was a very becoming young lady
957
00:53:19,334 --> 00:53:20,749
and it was kind of funny,
958
00:53:20,783 --> 00:53:22,682
because you'd watch
the funeral directors
959
00:53:22,716 --> 00:53:25,581
and they were all kind of
sniffing around and being nice
960
00:53:25,616 --> 00:53:29,171
and bringing her coffee
and stuff like this
961
00:53:29,206 --> 00:53:33,071
and then you know, these are
guys that are making big bucks,
962
00:53:33,106 --> 00:53:36,282
they're driving around in
great big Mercedes Benzs
963
00:53:36,316 --> 00:53:40,113
and stuff like this, but old
Jim, he pulls it through,
964
00:53:40,147 --> 00:53:41,252
he ends up marrying her.
965
00:53:41,287 --> 00:53:43,081
- And when I went to court,
966
00:53:44,290 --> 00:53:47,293
I had gotten married
and of course that was,
967
00:53:48,466 --> 00:53:51,504
it was gonna be not that
good of news anymore,
968
00:53:51,538 --> 00:53:52,919
because I had
actually married Jim
969
00:53:52,953 --> 00:53:55,370
and it wasn't the illicit affair
970
00:53:55,404 --> 00:53:57,958
that they were trying
to say we were having
971
00:53:59,408 --> 00:54:02,204
and Judge John said and
I will never forget this,
972
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,862
I went in and he said
"Okay, Miss Selch,
973
00:54:04,896 --> 00:54:06,657
"I'm gonna ask, I've
had a name change,"
974
00:54:06,691 --> 00:54:09,349
and you heard 22 attorneys
actually be quiet.
975
00:54:09,384 --> 00:54:11,144
- [Narrator] Jim
Caldwell resigned
976
00:54:11,178 --> 00:54:12,525
from the Attorney
General's Office
977
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:14,768
under pressure
from his superiors
978
00:54:14,803 --> 00:54:18,047
after the investigation
of Eastern Cemetery.
979
00:54:18,082 --> 00:54:20,187
He began working alongside Beth
980
00:54:20,222 --> 00:54:23,018
positively identifying
dozens of bodies disinterred
981
00:54:23,052 --> 00:54:27,091
by concerned family members
for burial in other cemeteries.
982
00:54:27,125 --> 00:54:28,334
- Yes, sir?
983
00:54:32,786 --> 00:54:35,306
- I did not realize
until relatively recently
984
00:54:35,341 --> 00:54:36,583
the number of disinternments,
985
00:54:36,618 --> 00:54:39,068
that Jim was involved
with after I had left.
986
00:54:40,898 --> 00:54:45,903
He was in quotes positively
identifying individuals
987
00:54:47,007 --> 00:54:48,250
and I find that
extremely disturbing,
988
00:54:48,285 --> 00:54:49,769
I don't think he was
capable of doing it.
989
00:54:49,803 --> 00:54:51,667
- [Narrator] Unable to
sell any more graves
990
00:54:51,702 --> 00:54:54,360
and with the cremation
business rapidly declining,
991
00:54:54,394 --> 00:54:57,708
Beth couldn't maintain adequate
funds to upkeep the grounds,
992
00:54:57,742 --> 00:55:00,607
compensate employees
or pay utility bills.
993
00:55:00,642 --> 00:55:02,644
Finally in 1992 the
gas and electric
994
00:55:02,678 --> 00:55:04,542
were shut off for the final time
995
00:55:04,577 --> 00:55:07,338
and Beth Caldwell
stepped down as receiver.
996
00:55:07,373 --> 00:55:10,134
- [Bob] Me and Jim was trying
to do everything we could,
997
00:55:10,168 --> 00:55:11,446
I was trying to run the backhoe,
998
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,068
he was trying to watch for me
999
00:55:14,276 --> 00:55:15,795
and it just got to the point,
1000
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:17,969
where I mean, I went
back to the office
1001
00:55:18,004 --> 00:55:20,662
and one of the funeral
directors from Indiana called,
1002
00:55:20,696 --> 00:55:25,701
gonna bring a body over and
Beth said he'll be here shortly,
1003
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,255
I said okay, I'll go
down and open the door.
1004
00:55:28,290 --> 00:55:31,051
Well, they turned the gas off
1005
00:55:31,086 --> 00:55:33,053
and they turned
the electric off,
1006
00:55:34,227 --> 00:55:36,022
so the dude shows
up to the back door
1007
00:55:36,056 --> 00:55:37,264
and I go up and
tell her, I said,
1008
00:55:37,299 --> 00:55:38,818
well, we're not gonna
do nothing, I said,
1009
00:55:38,852 --> 00:55:42,269
'cause I can't get the door
open, we don't have no electric
1010
00:55:43,167 --> 00:55:45,790
and we don't have no gas.
1011
00:55:45,825 --> 00:55:49,449
The only thing I
regret to this day,
1012
00:55:49,484 --> 00:55:51,417
I mean, that place
took a toll on me,
1013
00:55:51,451 --> 00:55:52,970
I mean, when I went
to work up there,
1014
00:55:53,004 --> 00:55:55,938
I had blond hair and when I
left there I had gray hair.
1015
00:55:55,973 --> 00:56:00,564
Threats, the people
treating you like a dog,
1016
00:56:00,598 --> 00:56:02,600
you know, we turned
into the criminals,
1017
00:56:02,635 --> 00:56:07,640
you know, we stayed to help
and the criminals walked free.
1018
00:56:08,744 --> 00:56:11,057
- [Narrator] On
August the 26th, 1991,
1019
00:56:11,091 --> 00:56:14,025
the criminal case against
Clifford Amos, Robert Copley
1020
00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:16,200
and Charles Alexander
was dismissed
1021
00:56:16,234 --> 00:56:20,169
after finishing a six-month
pre-trial diversion program.
1022
00:56:20,204 --> 00:56:22,033
As part of the conditions,
the three men were
1023
00:56:22,068 --> 00:56:24,622
to no longer be employed
by the Cemetery Company,
1024
00:56:24,657 --> 00:56:27,107
nor participate
in its operations.
1025
00:56:27,142 --> 00:56:29,144
Defense lawyers have
contended that Caldwell
1026
00:56:29,178 --> 00:56:32,630
first came to Eastern
Cemetery in May 1989
1027
00:56:32,665 --> 00:56:33,873
without a search warrant
1028
00:56:33,907 --> 00:56:36,841
and intentionally
misled cemetery staff.
1029
00:56:36,876 --> 00:56:40,258
Much of the evidence
and testimony was
deemed inadmissible,
1030
00:56:40,293 --> 00:56:42,399
because Caldwell had been
led on to the grounds
1031
00:56:42,433 --> 00:56:46,230
before business hours by
cemetery worker, Bob Allen.
1032
00:56:46,264 --> 00:56:48,750
Over $100,000 in cemetery funds
1033
00:56:48,784 --> 00:56:50,890
was paid in legal
fees for the defense
1034
00:56:50,924 --> 00:56:53,306
leaving nothing to
compensate victims
1035
00:56:53,340 --> 00:56:56,758
in a class action lawsuit
against the Cemetery Company.
1036
00:56:56,792 --> 00:56:59,312
A statement issued by the
Attorney General's Office
1037
00:56:59,346 --> 00:57:00,555
expressed that the prosecution
1038
00:57:00,589 --> 00:57:02,315
agreed to resolve
the criminal case
1039
00:57:02,349 --> 00:57:05,076
not because of the challenge
to Caldwell's methods,
1040
00:57:05,111 --> 00:57:06,906
but because the
defendants were elderly
1041
00:57:06,940 --> 00:57:09,253
and had never been
in trouble before.
1042
00:57:10,806 --> 00:57:14,983
- You know, his life was solid,
1043
00:57:15,017 --> 00:57:17,468
he was just this solid person,
1044
00:57:17,503 --> 00:57:21,886
who believed in doing the right
thing, not the wrong thing
1045
00:57:21,921 --> 00:57:25,476
and there was no motive for
him to do the wrong thing
1046
00:57:25,511 --> 00:57:28,790
and that's why I still
believe that he was innocent
1047
00:57:29,894 --> 00:57:31,827
of wrongdoing in this scenario,
1048
00:57:31,862 --> 00:57:33,380
where wrong things were done.
1049
00:58:42,449 --> 00:58:45,694
[somber melodic music]
1050
00:58:55,704 --> 00:58:57,154
- The Attorney General's Office
1051
00:58:57,188 --> 00:59:00,226
didn't fully disclose what
they were there to do,
1052
00:59:01,710 --> 00:59:03,678
therefore they were there
under false pretenses,
1053
00:59:03,712 --> 00:59:05,472
which made all of the evidence
1054
00:59:05,507 --> 00:59:08,890
and everything else worthless.
1055
00:59:08,924 --> 00:59:11,168
- When the indictment come down,
1056
00:59:11,202 --> 00:59:13,239
they were taken out of there,
1057
00:59:13,273 --> 00:59:15,759
they hired Frank
Haddad's law firm,
1058
00:59:15,793 --> 00:59:18,140
I think they used cemetery money
1059
00:59:18,175 --> 00:59:19,832
and they walked 'em
through the book
1060
00:59:19,866 --> 00:59:21,730
and they didn't
even stay in jail,
1061
00:59:21,765 --> 00:59:23,905
you know, they
walked 'em out of it
1062
00:59:23,939 --> 00:59:27,978
and I thought no, this is
not right, it's not right,
1063
00:59:28,012 --> 00:59:32,258
they're gonna walk and
nothing's going to be done.
1064
00:59:32,292 --> 00:59:35,019
- We went through all of
the legal machinations,
1065
00:59:35,054 --> 00:59:36,573
all the pre-trial hearings,
1066
00:59:36,607 --> 00:59:39,506
we were ready for the
trial date, we met,
1067
00:59:39,541 --> 00:59:42,164
I was there because I
was expected to testify
1068
00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:45,616
every time the trial date was
1069
00:59:45,651 --> 00:59:47,929
turned out to be a
pre-trial hearing
1070
00:59:47,963 --> 00:59:52,968
in which the judge ripped
the AG's Office a new asshole
1071
00:59:54,418 --> 00:59:58,525
and explained to them what
a warrant to search was
1072
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,908
and threw the entire
case out the window.
1073
01:00:01,943 --> 01:00:04,048
- They did, they had
an excellent attorney
1074
01:00:05,187 --> 01:00:06,672
and they had money
1075
01:00:06,706 --> 01:00:10,848
and when they were actually
charged with the crimes,
1076
01:00:10,883 --> 01:00:13,402
they walked through
the jail system,
1077
01:00:13,437 --> 01:00:14,714
but never spent one minute,
1078
01:00:14,749 --> 01:00:18,304
they didn't even have
to be bonded out of jail
1079
01:00:18,338 --> 01:00:19,892
and never paid back
one penny, never,
1080
01:00:19,926 --> 01:00:22,688
nothing ever happened
to them, nothing.
1081
01:01:28,477 --> 01:01:30,963
- They went on just
forever asking questions,
1082
01:01:32,412 --> 01:01:34,449
just trying to get
anything they could
1083
01:01:34,483 --> 01:01:37,832
to where this would go away
in the court and it did.
1084
01:01:39,488 --> 01:01:41,352
The three men charged
with these crimes,
1085
01:01:41,387 --> 01:01:43,561
Mr. Amos, Mr. Copley
and Mr. Alexander
1086
01:01:43,596 --> 01:01:45,046
never spent one day in jail,
1087
01:01:46,047 --> 01:01:47,600
not one day.
1088
01:01:47,634 --> 01:01:49,567
- [Bob] I don't know
what was going on,
1089
01:01:49,602 --> 01:01:51,984
but somebody was
covering up something,
1090
01:01:52,018 --> 01:01:56,920
because they had Beth and
Barbara do a sworn deposition,
1091
01:01:57,817 --> 01:01:59,543
them girls worked in the office,
1092
01:01:59,577 --> 01:02:01,890
they handled the books and
stuff and answered the phone,
1093
01:02:01,925 --> 01:02:03,133
they wasn't out on the ground,
1094
01:02:03,167 --> 01:02:04,651
they didn't see them
bones in a grave,
1095
01:02:04,686 --> 01:02:07,896
they didn't see people getting
dug through and pounded on.
1096
01:02:07,931 --> 01:02:11,175
They didn't once through
the whole investigation
1097
01:02:11,210 --> 01:02:15,524
get me, Ronnie or JR
on a sworn deposition.
1098
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:18,320
Finally I told 'em, I
said I want a meeting
1099
01:02:18,355 --> 01:02:19,908
with the Attorney
General's Office,
1100
01:02:19,943 --> 01:02:23,705
I said I wanna find out
why this is going on,
1101
01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:26,673
you know, I think
if they did not want
1102
01:02:26,708 --> 01:02:30,436
us from the ground crew to tell,
1103
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:33,784
because they done knew
where that case was going,
1104
01:02:33,819 --> 01:02:35,234
they knew it wasn't
gonna go nowheres,
1105
01:02:35,268 --> 01:02:38,375
you know, they're gonna shaft
Jim Caldwell and they did,
1106
01:02:38,409 --> 01:02:40,170
because he come in there
without a search warrant,
1107
01:02:40,204 --> 01:02:43,414
they hammered on him, hammered
on him, finally he resigned.
1108
01:02:45,762 --> 01:02:47,280
[somber melodic music]
1109
01:02:47,315 --> 01:02:49,973
- Okay, yes sir, you've been
trying to get a word in.
1110
01:03:59,111 --> 01:04:02,252
[somber melodic music]
1111
01:04:09,604 --> 01:04:11,986
- One day I was at
Greenwood Cemetery
1112
01:04:12,020 --> 01:04:15,023
and this gentleman
walks up and he says,
1113
01:04:15,058 --> 01:04:19,821
"I'm Maurice Phillips, I'm the
overseer of this cemetery,"
1114
01:04:19,856 --> 01:04:22,030
and it kind of raised
a red flag with me
1115
01:04:22,065 --> 01:04:24,032
and I said well, what
are you overseeing?
1116
01:04:24,067 --> 01:04:26,000
This is the first time
I've ever laid eyes on you
1117
01:04:26,034 --> 01:04:28,036
and he says, "Oh well,
I appreciate everything
1118
01:04:28,071 --> 01:04:29,762
"you all are doing down here,
1119
01:04:29,796 --> 01:04:33,145
"this helps us stretch the
money a little bit further,"
1120
01:04:33,179 --> 01:04:34,905
and I said what money?
1121
01:04:34,940 --> 01:04:37,149
And he said, "Oh, I get
money from the state
1122
01:04:37,183 --> 01:04:40,048
"to maintain the cemetery,
as I'm the overseer."
1123
01:04:40,083 --> 01:04:42,154
- He had this old
beat up Dodge van,
1124
01:04:43,603 --> 01:04:47,366
he would go and pick up the
guys from different charities,
1125
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,092
at that time they were using
1126
01:04:49,126 --> 01:04:52,405
Eastern Cemetery equipment
to mow the cemetery.
1127
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,511
- And I question where
was the money going,
1128
01:04:54,545 --> 01:04:57,548
because we were using
volunteer labor,
1129
01:04:57,583 --> 01:05:01,380
we were using money from
my discretionary account
1130
01:05:01,414 --> 01:05:04,659
at City Hall to
maintain the equipment,
1131
01:05:04,693 --> 01:05:06,316
so where was the money going?
1132
01:05:06,350 --> 01:05:08,145
And so I started
asking questions
1133
01:05:08,180 --> 01:05:11,562
and I really didn't like
the answers I was getting.
1134
01:05:11,597 --> 01:05:15,256
- I know he was accused
of mismanaging money,
1135
01:05:15,290 --> 01:05:17,258
I thought it was small potatoes,
1136
01:05:17,292 --> 01:05:20,433
I thought it was
maybe three or $4,000,
1137
01:05:20,468 --> 01:05:24,472
I hear now that the numbers
were much larger than that.
1138
01:05:24,506 --> 01:05:26,612
- [Narrator] In
the Spring of 1997,
1139
01:05:26,646 --> 01:05:28,545
the court appointed
Maurice Phillips
1140
01:05:28,579 --> 01:05:29,856
receiver over the
three cemeteries,
1141
01:05:29,891 --> 01:05:32,204
which had been abandoned
for nearly five years
1142
01:05:32,238 --> 01:05:34,896
since the resignation
of Beth Caldwell.
1143
01:05:34,931 --> 01:05:38,244
In March of 1998 Maurice
Phillips had tons of dirt
1144
01:05:38,279 --> 01:05:40,937
and construction debris
dumped on about a quarter acre
1145
01:05:40,971 --> 01:05:42,939
of marked and unmarked graves
1146
01:05:42,973 --> 01:05:45,700
in section four of
Eastern Cemetery.
1147
01:05:45,734 --> 01:05:48,427
Phillips reported he needed
the dirt for filling sinkholes
1148
01:05:48,461 --> 01:05:51,050
and open grave shafts
left by disinterment
1149
01:05:51,085 --> 01:05:52,603
and for grading the ground
1150
01:05:52,638 --> 01:05:55,365
where burials were too
close to the surface.
1151
01:05:55,399 --> 01:05:57,298
The debris came from
a condemned distillery
1152
01:05:57,332 --> 01:05:59,990
nearby on Payne Street,
which was being demolished.
1153
01:06:01,095 --> 01:06:02,648
- Then we all of a
sudden got a phone call
1154
01:06:02,682 --> 01:06:04,891
saying there are
piles of debris,
1155
01:06:06,169 --> 01:06:07,653
it wasn't dirt, but debris,
1156
01:06:08,757 --> 01:06:11,139
so we rolled over
there and there's piles
1157
01:06:11,174 --> 01:06:15,972
of rock and brick and
wood and someone said,
1158
01:06:16,006 --> 01:06:17,214
"Well, we were trying to fill in
1159
01:06:17,249 --> 01:06:20,045
"where these graves
have fallen in."
1160
01:06:22,185 --> 01:06:25,947
But that's garbage, you're
dumping garbage here.
1161
01:06:25,982 --> 01:06:29,675
- Mo had a backhoe and
he had a dump truck,
1162
01:06:33,092 --> 01:06:38,028
so he went over and talked
to I guess, the contractor
1163
01:06:38,063 --> 01:06:41,583
and said, "Look, I'll
haul off your dirt
1164
01:06:41,618 --> 01:06:43,965
"as you guys are doing
all this construction,
1165
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,760
"I've got a place to
dump it, you know,
1166
01:06:45,794 --> 01:06:47,624
"you guys give me this amount
and I'll take care of it."
1167
01:06:47,658 --> 01:06:49,764
- He had somebody doing
some work somewheres
1168
01:06:49,798 --> 01:06:53,009
and he was letting 'em dump
over there for so much a load
1169
01:06:53,043 --> 01:06:55,563
and I understand that
he was getting paid
1170
01:06:55,597 --> 01:06:57,668
per truckload that
they brought in there.
1171
01:06:57,703 --> 01:07:00,430
- Well, I was getting answers
that this Mr. Phillips
1172
01:07:00,464 --> 01:07:03,226
was given this money to
maintain three cemeteries,
1173
01:07:03,260 --> 01:07:05,366
Eastern, Shardein and Greenwood,
1174
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,506
Shardein's a very
small cemetery,
1175
01:07:07,540 --> 01:07:09,473
so it wasn't much
to maintain that,
1176
01:07:09,508 --> 01:07:11,579
but Greenwood was massive
and Eastern was massive.
1177
01:07:11,613 --> 01:07:15,548
When I looked at the
records, I was shocked to see
1178
01:07:15,583 --> 01:07:18,241
that money was being
punched out of ATMs
1179
01:07:18,275 --> 01:07:21,140
at two o'clock in the
morning at 4th and Oak,
1180
01:07:21,175 --> 01:07:24,247
at one o'clock in the
morning at 18th and Broadway,
1181
01:07:24,281 --> 01:07:27,077
which is why I raised a red flag
1182
01:07:27,112 --> 01:07:30,322
and said no one's cutting
cemeteries that time of night,
1183
01:07:30,356 --> 01:07:32,496
something's going
on with this money,
1184
01:07:32,531 --> 01:07:34,429
which then in turn led
me to the Commonwealth
1185
01:07:34,464 --> 01:07:37,260
Attorney's Office to
start asking questions.
1186
01:07:37,294 --> 01:07:40,573
- [Narrator] On
February the 14th, 2001
1187
01:07:40,608 --> 01:07:42,368
Maurice Phillips was
removed by the court
1188
01:07:42,403 --> 01:07:44,543
following allegations by the
Attorney General's Office
1189
01:07:44,577 --> 01:07:46,269
that he had abandoned his duties
1190
01:07:46,303 --> 01:07:48,512
and mismanaged cemetery funds.
1191
01:07:48,547 --> 01:07:49,927
In July Phillips was indicted
1192
01:07:49,962 --> 01:07:52,137
by a Jefferson County
grand jury and charged
1193
01:07:52,171 --> 01:07:55,692
with 26 counts of theft
and 25 counts of forgery.
1194
01:07:55,726 --> 01:08:00,041
Between January 1999
and February 2001,
1195
01:08:00,076 --> 01:08:01,422
Phillips stole or misspent
1196
01:08:01,456 --> 01:08:05,495
at least $98,541
of cemetery money
1197
01:08:05,529 --> 01:08:07,842
making deposits in
six bank accounts
1198
01:08:07,876 --> 01:08:11,432
held at L&N Credit Union
by Phillips and his wife.
1199
01:08:11,466 --> 01:08:14,987
Among the alerted
transfers was $19,796
1200
01:08:15,021 --> 01:08:17,300
from the State Transportation
Cabinet for land
1201
01:08:17,334 --> 01:08:21,442
purchased from Shardein Cemetery
to widen 7th Street Road.
1202
01:08:21,476 --> 01:08:24,134
Two of the accounts in question
were closed immediately
1203
01:08:24,169 --> 01:08:25,791
after a restraining
order was issued
1204
01:08:25,825 --> 01:08:27,482
to freeze Phillips' assets.
1205
01:08:29,208 --> 01:08:31,072
- I mean, I gave
every bank record
1206
01:08:31,107 --> 01:08:34,040
to the Commonwealth
Attorney's Office,
1207
01:08:34,075 --> 01:08:38,183
reported to him about the issue
of using this crematorium.
1208
01:08:38,217 --> 01:08:41,427
We would receive phone
calls over to Shardein,
1209
01:08:41,462 --> 01:08:43,498
Shardein backs up
to a neighborhood,
1210
01:08:43,533 --> 01:08:46,260
we would receive phone
calls in my office,
1211
01:08:46,294 --> 01:08:50,333
where they would call us and
say somebody was back there
1212
01:08:50,367 --> 01:08:52,645
at two o'clock in the
morning digging a grave
1213
01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:55,821
and I was like, what?
1214
01:08:55,855 --> 01:08:58,410
And we'd go out there and
there would be a fresh grave,
1215
01:08:58,444 --> 01:09:01,930
so I explained to Dave
Stingle what I do believe
1216
01:09:01,965 --> 01:09:03,725
is that this man
is trying to run
1217
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,072
some type of cemetery business
1218
01:09:06,107 --> 01:09:09,179
and burying people and
charging families for it
1219
01:09:09,214 --> 01:09:11,250
and there was not supposed to be
1220
01:09:11,285 --> 01:09:12,700
any burial in those cemeteries.
1221
01:09:12,734 --> 01:09:15,358
- [Narrator] On
July the 24th, 2001
1222
01:09:15,392 --> 01:09:17,739
Phillips was booked at
the Jefferson County Jail,
1223
01:09:17,774 --> 01:09:21,502
but was released on his own
recognizance later that day.
1224
01:09:21,536 --> 01:09:25,195
Maurice Phillips died
July the 29th, 2005
1225
01:09:25,230 --> 01:09:26,748
with no resolution
to the charges
1226
01:09:26,783 --> 01:09:28,578
that had been
brought against him.
1227
01:09:28,612 --> 01:09:31,201
There has been no receiver
appointed by the court
1228
01:09:31,236 --> 01:09:33,134
for the three cemeteries since.
1229
01:09:50,116 --> 01:09:53,327
[somber melodic music]
1230
01:10:08,825 --> 01:10:11,966
- [Narrator] With no one
left to oversee the cemetery,
1231
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,830
break ins to the chapel, garage
1232
01:10:13,864 --> 01:10:15,763
and the stone vault
became frequent,
1233
01:10:15,797 --> 01:10:18,317
hundreds of gravestones
were toppled over
1234
01:10:18,352 --> 01:10:20,699
and century-old
monuments were destroyed.
1235
01:10:21,872 --> 01:10:24,081
Brass name plates were
pried off of gravestones
1236
01:10:24,116 --> 01:10:26,118
and sold as scrap metal,
1237
01:10:26,152 --> 01:10:27,740
fires were set
throughout the basement
1238
01:10:27,775 --> 01:10:30,364
and even inside the
incinerators themselves.
1239
01:10:30,398 --> 01:10:32,469
- I think it was also a
really convenient place
1240
01:10:32,504 --> 01:10:36,301
for teenagers in the Highlands
that wanted to come party
1241
01:10:36,335 --> 01:10:38,406
and do drugs, drink,
whatever they come and did,
1242
01:10:38,441 --> 01:10:42,203
because you know, 28 acres,
1243
01:10:43,618 --> 01:10:46,311
it wasn't hard to find a
private, quiet little spot,
1244
01:10:46,345 --> 01:10:48,589
where nobody was gonna see them,
1245
01:10:48,623 --> 01:10:50,625
especially with the
grass as tall as it was,
1246
01:10:50,660 --> 01:10:53,249
the trees and bushes as
overgrown as they were.
1247
01:10:54,595 --> 01:10:56,044
- I do remember
1248
01:10:57,183 --> 01:11:01,153
seeing the broken into
1249
01:11:01,187 --> 01:11:04,881
and littered crematorium
1250
01:11:06,123 --> 01:11:09,610
and I remember seeing
the vases of ashes,
1251
01:11:09,644 --> 01:11:11,750
they were scattered
and that sort of thing,
1252
01:11:11,784 --> 01:11:13,096
so I do remember that
1253
01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:17,307
and I do remember
hearing complaints
1254
01:11:17,342 --> 01:11:21,932
from someone like
AD Porter Senior,
1255
01:11:21,967 --> 01:11:23,727
an African-American
funeral director,
1256
01:11:23,762 --> 01:11:26,627
who actually lived
in the neighborhood,
1257
01:11:26,661 --> 01:11:28,594
adjacent, Cherokee Triangle
1258
01:11:28,629 --> 01:11:33,634
and I do remember meeting
with him as I recall
1259
01:11:34,738 --> 01:11:38,570
and always always trying
to conjure up ways
1260
01:11:39,916 --> 01:11:43,126
that money and care
could be provided
1261
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,612
to what was essentially an
abandoned and bankrupt cemetery.
1262
01:11:46,647 --> 01:11:48,373
- [Narrator] The
chapel and offices
1263
01:11:48,407 --> 01:11:51,099
located in the back of Eastern
Cemetery were broken into
1264
01:11:51,134 --> 01:11:54,655
and vandalized countless times
over the following years,
1265
01:11:54,689 --> 01:11:56,001
the walls filled with graffiti
1266
01:11:56,035 --> 01:11:58,521
and the cremains stored
in the columbarium
1267
01:11:58,555 --> 01:12:00,764
were stolen, dumped
out or destroyed.
1268
01:12:01,903 --> 01:12:04,147
On July the 28th, 2003,
1269
01:12:04,181 --> 01:12:06,011
Professor DiBlasi
petitioned the court
1270
01:12:06,045 --> 01:12:09,566
and recovered and
moved 244 sets of urns,
1271
01:12:09,601 --> 01:12:12,845
some unlabeled or containing
multiple sets of cremains.
1272
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:14,882
- Phil at some point went
over to the columbarium
1273
01:12:14,916 --> 01:12:17,643
and noticed that
people had broken in
1274
01:12:17,678 --> 01:12:19,990
and when he walked in,
1275
01:12:20,025 --> 01:12:22,579
he went to the area where
the columbarium was,
1276
01:12:22,614 --> 01:12:25,444
which the columbarium
was basically
1277
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,791
an ornate, glass shelving system
1278
01:12:29,793 --> 01:12:33,521
and people could when they
had a relative cremated,
1279
01:12:33,556 --> 01:12:36,179
they had nice
little bronze urns.
1280
01:12:36,213 --> 01:12:41,115
People had smashed the glass,
they had gotten the urns
1281
01:12:42,496 --> 01:12:44,394
and dumped out the
ashes on the floor.
1282
01:12:44,429 --> 01:12:45,982
- You know, this is her Mom,
1283
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,469
so I call her up
on the telephone
1284
01:12:50,504 --> 01:12:51,919
and I'll be honest with you,
1285
01:12:51,953 --> 01:12:53,507
by the time I was done
with the conversation,
1286
01:12:53,541 --> 01:12:55,336
I was crying too and I was like,
1287
01:12:55,371 --> 01:12:58,822
I'm not letting this
happen again, okay.
1288
01:12:58,857 --> 01:13:00,410
So I went to the judge,
1289
01:13:00,445 --> 01:13:02,343
went to the Attorney General's
Office to get a court order
1290
01:13:02,378 --> 01:13:05,381
and we brought all the
cremated sets of remains here.
1291
01:13:06,451 --> 01:13:10,593
- So Phil started packing 'em up
1292
01:13:10,627 --> 01:13:14,182
and to put it in perspective,
he had a full size van
1293
01:13:14,217 --> 01:13:16,702
and these little urns,
1294
01:13:16,737 --> 01:13:18,877
being that they're brass,
bronze or what have you,
1295
01:13:18,911 --> 01:13:22,156
they probably weigh
eight to 10 pounds,
1296
01:13:22,190 --> 01:13:24,779
the cremains inside
probably weigh three pounds.
1297
01:13:26,194 --> 01:13:28,300
He loaded up the van three
times completely full,
1298
01:13:28,334 --> 01:13:31,199
packed them down to U of L
and unpacked 'em all in a day,
1299
01:13:31,234 --> 01:13:33,167
that's how much it meant to him,
1300
01:13:33,201 --> 01:13:35,272
that no more got dumped out.
1301
01:13:35,307 --> 01:13:37,689
These were people that
he had no connection to,
1302
01:13:37,723 --> 01:13:40,692
that's just the person he
is, that's how he thinks.
1303
01:13:40,726 --> 01:13:42,763
- What we had was we had
a couple of dates set up
1304
01:13:42,797 --> 01:13:44,972
and they could call here
and what they would do
1305
01:13:45,006 --> 01:13:47,457
is they would come in and
they would sign an affidavit
1306
01:13:47,492 --> 01:13:49,459
that said they were
the nearest next of kin
1307
01:13:49,494 --> 01:13:52,462
and we would get them, we
would go get their ashes
1308
01:13:52,497 --> 01:13:55,223
and we would bring them out
on one of the steel carts
1309
01:13:55,258 --> 01:13:56,673
and we would give them to 'em.
1310
01:13:56,708 --> 01:14:01,160
- He was able to over the course
of the last 10 or 15 years,
1311
01:14:01,195 --> 01:14:04,647
he's been able to
contact the families
1312
01:14:04,681 --> 01:14:08,685
and I think that to date
he's almost got half of 'em
1313
01:14:09,548 --> 01:14:11,067
reunited with their families,
1314
01:14:11,101 --> 01:14:13,069
so they've come and picked
'em up, which is huge.
1315
01:14:13,103 --> 01:14:14,346
- [Narrator] In a court order
1316
01:14:14,380 --> 01:14:16,590
issued February the 14th, 2001,
1317
01:14:16,624 --> 01:14:19,040
the University of Louisville
Program of Archeology
1318
01:14:19,075 --> 01:14:20,628
took possession of
the written records
1319
01:14:20,663 --> 01:14:23,631
for Eastern, Greenwood
and Shardein Cemeteries,
1320
01:14:23,666 --> 01:14:27,911
which included burial index
cards, day books, range books
1321
01:14:27,946 --> 01:14:32,122
and maps, some dating
as far back as 1843.
1322
01:14:32,157 --> 01:14:36,230
- He got a ton of records,
he found all kinds of records
1323
01:14:36,264 --> 01:14:40,096
and he took all those
down to U of L with him
1324
01:14:40,130 --> 01:14:43,651
and he at some point a lady
who was critically ill,
1325
01:14:43,686 --> 01:14:45,550
who had family in
Eastern came down
1326
01:14:45,584 --> 01:14:47,724
and she's like, "Look,
I've got $50,000,
1327
01:14:47,759 --> 01:14:49,174
"I wanna leave it to Eastern
1328
01:14:49,208 --> 01:14:50,727
"and I wanna put that towards
1329
01:14:50,762 --> 01:14:53,005
"getting the grass
cut and maintained,"
1330
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,974
and Phil says, "All due respect,
1331
01:14:56,008 --> 01:14:57,527
"that may cut the
grass for one year
1332
01:14:57,562 --> 01:15:00,703
"and the next year,
it's all gonna be back,"
1333
01:15:00,737 --> 01:15:03,637
and he's like, "Longterm
where that money
1334
01:15:03,671 --> 01:15:06,260
"would best serve the cemetery
1335
01:15:06,294 --> 01:15:10,126
"is to set up an endowment
for the records,"
1336
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,578
which she listened
and trusted him enough
1337
01:15:13,612 --> 01:15:15,545
to follow his lead on that
1338
01:15:15,580 --> 01:15:18,341
and with that, the records
have been preserved
1339
01:15:18,375 --> 01:15:20,688
and they're being put
into a digital form,
1340
01:15:20,723 --> 01:15:23,380
a little bit every year
with students working on it.
1341
01:15:23,415 --> 01:15:26,625
- We're gonna scan
all of the records,
1342
01:15:28,075 --> 01:15:31,665
because the paper is acid
1343
01:15:31,699 --> 01:15:34,391
and literally people
are disappearing
1344
01:15:34,426 --> 01:15:36,428
off the bottom of the page
1345
01:15:36,462 --> 01:15:38,948
and you know, to me,
that's probably all
1346
01:15:38,982 --> 01:15:41,467
that was ever written
about that human being.
1347
01:15:41,502 --> 01:15:43,400
- [Narrator] 25
years after the news
1348
01:15:43,435 --> 01:15:45,886
of over burial broke
at Eastern Cemetery,
1349
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,785
Andy Harpole decided
something had to be done.
1350
01:15:48,820 --> 01:15:51,236
He formed the Friends
of Eastern Cemetery
1351
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:52,409
based on the belief
1352
01:15:52,444 --> 01:15:54,515
that those buried within
the cemetery walls
1353
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:55,861
should receive
the perpetual care
1354
01:15:55,896 --> 01:15:58,761
they had not only
paid for, but deserve.
1355
01:16:00,314 --> 01:16:02,661
- The Friends of
Eastern Cemetery is
a really great group,
1356
01:16:02,696 --> 01:16:06,285
you have a lot of incredible
people, who care a lot
1357
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,771
and that's an
incredible basis I think
1358
01:16:08,805 --> 01:16:11,049
for what we're trying to do
1359
01:16:11,083 --> 01:16:12,533
is having that group of people,
1360
01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:14,811
who really are
passionate and care
1361
01:16:14,846 --> 01:16:17,607
and when they hear the
stories of these families,
1362
01:16:17,642 --> 01:16:20,472
they are more compelled
to want to do more
1363
01:16:20,506 --> 01:16:23,233
and I just think
that's a great quality
1364
01:16:23,268 --> 01:16:24,683
to have in a group of people.
1365
01:16:24,718 --> 01:16:26,858
- I've been involved in
different volunteer groups,
1366
01:16:26,892 --> 01:16:28,687
this is the real deal,
1367
01:16:28,722 --> 01:16:31,587
they're not doing this
to get anything out of it
1368
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,969
and they work so hard
when they're there,
1369
01:16:35,004 --> 01:16:37,420
I just feel like it's
one of those groups,
1370
01:16:37,454 --> 01:16:41,631
where you can see
progress being made
1371
01:16:41,666 --> 01:16:44,738
and they're all in
for the right reasons.
1372
01:16:44,772 --> 01:16:47,326
- There's lots of odd things
you can do volunteer wise,
1373
01:16:47,361 --> 01:16:51,261
that may be a little
bit more self gratifying
1374
01:16:51,296 --> 01:16:53,298
or quicker results
1375
01:16:53,332 --> 01:16:55,749
and just the fact that
it's a cemetery, you know,
1376
01:16:55,783 --> 01:16:58,337
I tell people, I'll be
talking to my Dad or whoever,
1377
01:16:58,372 --> 01:17:01,237
I'll be working in the cemetery
really, what are you doing?
1378
01:17:01,271 --> 01:17:02,687
Just working in the cemetery,
1379
01:17:02,721 --> 01:17:05,172
why are you working
in a cemetery?
1380
01:17:05,206 --> 01:17:07,243
So I mean it takes a different
kind of people, I think,
1381
01:17:07,277 --> 01:17:08,589
that are willing to do this.
1382
01:17:08,624 --> 01:17:10,280
- I mean, I think fundamentally
1383
01:17:10,315 --> 01:17:15,078
everybody has this kind of
empathy for what happened there
1384
01:17:15,113 --> 01:17:17,425
and we kind of see a reflection,
1385
01:17:17,460 --> 01:17:19,082
something, an idea that
I've heard mirrored a lot,
1386
01:17:19,117 --> 01:17:22,016
that I believe is you can
tell a lot about a society
1387
01:17:22,051 --> 01:17:23,639
by the way it treats its dead
1388
01:17:23,673 --> 01:17:27,159
and so it's a fundamentally
important ritual to have
1389
01:17:27,194 --> 01:17:28,644
and it hasn't been upheld.
1390
01:17:28,678 --> 01:17:32,682
So one of the ways that
we describe ourselves
1391
01:17:32,717 --> 01:17:35,512
is that we're caretakers
for a cemetery,
1392
01:17:35,547 --> 01:17:37,204
that doesn't have a caretaker.
1393
01:17:37,238 --> 01:17:38,895
- [Narrator] On
December the 3rd,
1394
01:17:38,930 --> 01:17:41,622
the Friends of Eastern
Cemetery was incorporated
1395
01:17:41,657 --> 01:17:44,073
as a non profit organization.
1396
01:17:44,107 --> 01:17:46,454
The group hosts a number
of events annually
1397
01:17:46,489 --> 01:17:49,423
including historical
tours led by Joel Berndt,
1398
01:17:49,457 --> 01:17:51,183
Preservation Training
seminars taught
1399
01:17:51,218 --> 01:17:54,221
by nationally recognized
expert, Jonathan Appell
1400
01:17:54,255 --> 01:17:57,811
and flagging ceremonies on
Memorial and Veterans Days.
1401
01:17:57,845 --> 01:18:00,296
In addition to general
landscaping and maintenance,
1402
01:18:00,330 --> 01:18:04,231
the volunteer group also repair
and reset toppled monuments
1403
01:18:04,265 --> 01:18:05,853
and clean eroded gravestones
1404
01:18:05,888 --> 01:18:08,787
using a non-corrosive
D/2 biological solution.
1405
01:18:08,822 --> 01:18:12,895
- The very first
time I went there,
1406
01:18:12,929 --> 01:18:15,173
it was just a vast
variety of people
1407
01:18:15,207 --> 01:18:18,279
doing anything and everything
you could possibly think of
1408
01:18:18,314 --> 01:18:20,454
and everybody was welcoming,
1409
01:18:20,488 --> 01:18:22,525
we were all there
for the same purpose
1410
01:18:22,559 --> 01:18:24,700
just to see what
we could do to help
1411
01:18:24,734 --> 01:18:27,737
and it was great, we
spent all day there
1412
01:18:27,772 --> 01:18:32,293
just cutting grass,
raking, trimming for hours,
1413
01:18:32,328 --> 01:18:34,779
you don't even realize
how long you're there,
1414
01:18:34,813 --> 01:18:36,056
until at the end of
the day you're like
1415
01:18:36,090 --> 01:18:37,920
really, you know,
it's five o'clock?
1416
01:18:37,954 --> 01:18:39,749
- Every time you show up
1417
01:18:39,784 --> 01:18:41,164
and the same people
are there again,
1418
01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:43,166
you're like oh,
thank God, you know,
1419
01:18:43,201 --> 01:18:45,479
they're gonna stay,
'cause you never know
1420
01:18:46,687 --> 01:18:47,930
and it really is a
community effort,
1421
01:18:47,964 --> 01:18:49,448
you need a lot of people.
1422
01:18:49,483 --> 01:18:53,142
- Now the upkeep that's
going on now, it's helpful
1423
01:18:53,176 --> 01:18:56,041
and I'm sure it lifts up
other people's spirits.
1424
01:18:56,076 --> 01:18:59,700
- When I started with
Friends of Eastern Cemetery,
1425
01:19:00,736 --> 01:19:02,738
every grave that I came across
1426
01:19:02,772 --> 01:19:06,914
that had that Cunningham
name on it, I would just cry
1427
01:19:06,949 --> 01:19:11,056
and I would be like
that's mine, that's mine,
1428
01:19:11,091 --> 01:19:12,817
you have that last name,
1429
01:19:12,851 --> 01:19:16,648
I don't care where
you fit in the tree,
1430
01:19:16,682 --> 01:19:18,270
that belongs to me.
1431
01:19:18,305 --> 01:19:21,618
- Knowing what this
group is doing is amazing
1432
01:19:22,516 --> 01:19:24,380
and to be a part of the group
1433
01:19:24,414 --> 01:19:26,865
and to share in the
experiences with the families
1434
01:19:26,900 --> 01:19:28,936
that come and see the
work that we've done
1435
01:19:28,971 --> 01:19:30,696
and how much they appreciate it,
1436
01:19:30,731 --> 01:19:33,665
just share the hugs and
the tears and the joy
1437
01:19:33,699 --> 01:19:37,531
when they're able to walk
finally to their site,
1438
01:19:37,565 --> 01:19:38,877
that they couldn't do forever,
1439
01:19:38,912 --> 01:19:42,294
because the grass was
literally as tall as your chin.
1440
01:19:43,468 --> 01:19:46,091
So that part of
it is just amazing
1441
01:19:46,126 --> 01:19:49,336
and I would not do that,
'cause I know that this group
1442
01:19:49,370 --> 01:19:51,821
is a great group and
hopefully it will be around,
1443
01:19:51,856 --> 01:19:55,169
I mean, this is our
third upcoming season
1444
01:19:55,204 --> 01:19:58,310
of working there and
we have big plans.
1445
01:19:58,345 --> 01:20:00,692
- I've met a lot of
new friends, you know,
1446
01:20:00,726 --> 01:20:04,144
that are family to me now, the
Friends of Eastern Cemetery.
1447
01:20:05,524 --> 01:20:08,976
I can point people in directions
now and they pull through
1448
01:20:09,011 --> 01:20:11,461
and be like this is the
section you need to be in,
1449
01:20:11,496 --> 01:20:14,568
oh, I've seen that, I've just
cut around that gravestone.
1450
01:20:14,602 --> 01:20:17,847
- I'm trying to get
us to do more events,
1451
01:20:17,882 --> 01:20:20,470
more tours, try to
get schools involved,
1452
01:20:20,505 --> 01:20:22,472
try to get more local
groups involved,
1453
01:20:22,507 --> 01:20:24,612
because there's such a great
amount of history there
1454
01:20:24,647 --> 01:20:25,924
and the more people
you bring in,
1455
01:20:25,959 --> 01:20:28,616
the more people you
talk to about it,
1456
01:20:28,651 --> 01:20:30,584
they're going to
tell more people
1457
01:20:30,618 --> 01:20:33,414
and I'm just hoping that
raising that awareness
1458
01:20:33,449 --> 01:20:35,347
can keep growing the non-profit
1459
01:20:35,382 --> 01:20:37,971
and that's also how you
can start fundraising,
1460
01:20:38,005 --> 01:20:39,731
because the more people learn,
1461
01:20:39,765 --> 01:20:41,526
the more that they
do want to help.
1462
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:42,907
- We just need more help,
1463
01:20:44,563 --> 01:20:46,634
we need more funding,
1464
01:20:46,669 --> 01:20:48,809
we are a small group
1465
01:20:48,844 --> 01:20:53,814
that is trying so hard
to get the cemetery
1466
01:20:54,953 --> 01:20:57,991
not obviously back
to where it once was,
1467
01:20:59,924 --> 01:21:02,961
you can't just recognize
one person in that plot,
1468
01:21:02,996 --> 01:21:04,031
it's not fair,
1469
01:21:05,653 --> 01:21:08,898
but to get it back, where
families can come in
1470
01:21:10,589 --> 01:21:13,903
and be happy that it's
being taken care of.
1471
01:21:13,938 --> 01:21:15,836
- One of the things
we would like to do,
1472
01:21:15,871 --> 01:21:18,287
we were all young
when my mother passed
1473
01:21:18,321 --> 01:21:21,290
and we would like to
purchase a headstone,
1474
01:21:21,324 --> 01:21:24,431
but at the time what I
do remember is my father,
1475
01:21:24,465 --> 01:21:29,470
he was a bricklayer and
he wasn't paid much,
1476
01:21:30,609 --> 01:21:32,059
but he put a red
brick as a headstone
1477
01:21:32,094 --> 01:21:34,165
to mark where they had laid her
1478
01:21:35,338 --> 01:21:37,375
and when we went back
to try to find that,
1479
01:21:37,409 --> 01:21:38,997
that's what we couldn't find.
1480
01:21:39,032 --> 01:21:43,657
- With finding out
about Greenwood's
abandonment situation,
1481
01:21:43,691 --> 01:21:45,245
just like Eastern's,
1482
01:21:47,488 --> 01:21:51,285
we thought it would be fitting
to help them get a stone,
1483
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:54,219
because I guess
they never were able
1484
01:21:54,254 --> 01:21:57,913
to get a stone made for her,
1485
01:21:59,500 --> 01:22:01,917
so we contacted Evan's
Monument Company
1486
01:22:03,332 --> 01:22:07,957
and they were willing to
donate a gravestone for her
1487
01:22:09,855 --> 01:22:14,136
and so we got the burial records
1488
01:22:14,170 --> 01:22:19,175
and the position of the
burial plot for Mary Cobb
1489
01:22:20,383 --> 01:22:23,455
and we went over
and set her stone,
1490
01:22:25,941 --> 01:22:28,874
so that when the family came
on Memorial Day Weekend,
1491
01:22:28,909 --> 01:22:33,707
or just before, they had a
nice surprise waiting for them
1492
01:22:33,741 --> 01:22:37,953
rather than what they
normally come there for
1493
01:22:37,987 --> 01:22:39,402
and had to deal with.
1494
01:22:39,437 --> 01:22:41,991
- You know, those are,
well, it's our loved ones
1495
01:22:42,026 --> 01:22:44,545
and not only ours, but
other people's loved ones,
1496
01:22:44,580 --> 01:22:46,271
so I can speak for my family
1497
01:22:46,306 --> 01:22:48,549
that we're truly grateful,
that someone cares.
1498
01:22:48,584 --> 01:22:51,069
You know, we were
young back then,
1499
01:22:51,104 --> 01:22:52,553
but we would like to be able
1500
01:22:55,729 --> 01:22:58,732
to know where my Momma is,
1501
01:22:58,766 --> 01:23:00,699
I mean, we would like
to put a headstone up
1502
01:23:00,734 --> 01:23:03,081
after all these years, it
would mean a lot to us,
1503
01:23:03,116 --> 01:23:06,567
it was five of us,
four girls and a boy
1504
01:23:06,602 --> 01:23:09,225
and we don't even know
where she's laid at there,
1505
01:23:09,260 --> 01:23:11,641
we just know she's there.
1506
01:23:11,676 --> 01:23:15,714
- Well, a cemetery is
supposed to be the guardian,
1507
01:23:15,749 --> 01:23:18,027
you know, of deceased
family members
1508
01:23:18,062 --> 01:23:22,169
and it's supposed to
be a reverent place,
1509
01:23:22,204 --> 01:23:25,000
you're not supposed
to disturb graves.
1510
01:23:26,622 --> 01:23:29,383
- You have who's who
of Kentucky's history
1511
01:23:29,418 --> 01:23:34,009
and Louisville's history
buried back there,
1512
01:23:35,286 --> 01:23:38,047
so why isn't anyone
approaching those folks?
1513
01:23:38,082 --> 01:23:40,360
There's no ownership,
1514
01:23:40,394 --> 01:23:42,741
until someone takes
ownership of the property,
1515
01:23:44,122 --> 01:23:45,951
I don't think you're gonna
get much of a change.
1516
01:23:45,986 --> 01:23:47,574
- We can't take ownership of it,
1517
01:23:47,608 --> 01:23:49,369
because if we take
ownership of it,
1518
01:23:50,646 --> 01:23:53,856
we inherit the
liability, which in 1989,
1519
01:23:53,890 --> 01:23:56,341
because of all of the
pre-need sold graves,
1520
01:23:56,376 --> 01:23:58,067
which right now
there's supposed to be
1521
01:23:58,102 --> 01:24:02,761
somewhere around 5,000,
the estimate in 1989
1522
01:24:02,796 --> 01:24:06,075
after DiBlasi and the
Attorney General's Office
1523
01:24:06,110 --> 01:24:07,663
kind of put all their
resources together
1524
01:24:07,697 --> 01:24:09,492
after reading the records
1525
01:24:09,527 --> 01:24:13,634
and doing some archeological
digs is $59 million
1526
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:15,533
and that's 1989 money.
1527
01:24:15,567 --> 01:24:19,744
- We are gonna make this
work, it's going to work,
1528
01:24:19,778 --> 01:24:23,403
this is not a one-year plan,
this is not a 10-year plan,
1529
01:24:23,437 --> 01:24:25,991
this is a forever
plan, you know,
1530
01:24:26,026 --> 01:24:30,134
this is a forever
commitment that we all
1531
01:24:30,168 --> 01:24:32,757
as Friends of Eastern
Cemetery have made.
1532
01:24:32,791 --> 01:24:34,414
- There's just a
lot of great people
1533
01:24:34,448 --> 01:24:37,106
trying to do great things
1534
01:24:37,141 --> 01:24:40,592
for families that some
people don't even know,
1535
01:24:40,627 --> 01:24:42,318
I mean, you know, I
have family there,
1536
01:24:42,353 --> 01:24:45,632
but there are people there
that there's no family there,
1537
01:24:45,666 --> 01:24:48,980
they're just good people
trying to do right
1538
01:24:49,014 --> 01:24:52,225
by years and years and years
of things that have gone wrong
1539
01:24:52,259 --> 01:24:55,435
and I just would hope that
they would give us the chance
1540
01:24:56,988 --> 01:24:59,024
to continue the good
work that we're doing,
1541
01:24:59,059 --> 01:25:00,578
'cause it is good
work, you know,
1542
01:25:00,612 --> 01:25:02,718
I just want people to
know that we're there
1543
01:25:03,857 --> 01:25:06,515
and it's okay, it's
okay, you know.
1544
01:25:06,549 --> 01:25:09,034
- You know, we're a longterm,
1545
01:25:09,069 --> 01:25:11,313
I wanna see a memorial
museum in there
1546
01:25:11,347 --> 01:25:13,315
with every single name
of every single person
1547
01:25:13,349 --> 01:25:17,146
that we can find,
that was buried there,
1548
01:25:17,181 --> 01:25:21,012
so that their family can come
and at least see their name.
1549
01:25:21,046 --> 01:25:23,635
- I put everything on
the line, you know,
1550
01:25:23,670 --> 01:25:26,224
I mean, I've said it before,
1551
01:25:26,259 --> 01:25:28,157
I mean, I should've
kept my mouth shut,
1552
01:25:28,192 --> 01:25:30,055
I should've went looking,
1553
01:25:30,090 --> 01:25:31,954
found me a job and
got away from it.
1554
01:25:31,988 --> 01:25:34,819
They would have got
busted sooner or later,
1555
01:25:34,853 --> 01:25:36,752
it couldn't last forever,
1556
01:25:36,786 --> 01:25:40,100
I mean, it lasted for
the turn of the century
1557
01:25:40,135 --> 01:25:44,484
up until 1989, so it
had to end somewheres
1558
01:25:44,518 --> 01:25:47,797
and it would've ended, I mean
they would've hung their self
1559
01:25:49,247 --> 01:25:52,043
and the outcome might have
been different, you know,
1560
01:25:52,077 --> 01:25:55,529
if I wouldn't have did what
I did and I'd have left,
1561
01:25:55,564 --> 01:25:59,015
they would've kept on going,
things would've got worse,
1562
01:26:00,810 --> 01:26:03,123
Ronnie would've kept on
doing what he was doing,
1563
01:26:03,158 --> 01:26:06,747
nothing would have changed,
they'd have got caught
1564
01:26:06,782 --> 01:26:10,544
and chances are that
one would've stuck,
1565
01:26:10,579 --> 01:26:12,408
something would've
really happened to 'em.
1566
01:26:12,443 --> 01:26:14,721
I mean, I could've
just walked away.
1567
01:26:14,755 --> 01:26:16,309
- This is a person
who had a final wish
1568
01:26:16,343 --> 01:26:18,897
and they have a family, who
supports this final wish,
1569
01:26:18,932 --> 01:26:21,106
who needs this ritual
and this space to come
1570
01:26:21,141 --> 01:26:23,385
and to be at peace with what
happened to them in their life
1571
01:26:23,419 --> 01:26:25,041
and that's sort of lost,
1572
01:26:25,076 --> 01:26:26,042
that's the part that
I don't understand,
1573
01:26:26,077 --> 01:26:27,251
look, I just don't know
1574
01:26:27,285 --> 01:26:29,701
how you could get over
that hump, you know.
1575
01:26:29,736 --> 01:26:33,118
- I don't know how widespread
that is historically,
1576
01:26:33,153 --> 01:26:37,778
I don't know whether it's
a total criminal aberration
1577
01:26:37,813 --> 01:26:42,335
or whether it was something
that culture has done
1578
01:26:42,369 --> 01:26:43,853
more frequently than we realize.
1579
01:26:43,888 --> 01:26:46,994
- Things are never gonna be
right at Eastern Cemetery
1580
01:26:47,029 --> 01:26:48,203
and that's I hope,
1581
01:26:49,549 --> 01:26:52,483
obviously it's gonna be
there after I'm gone,
1582
01:26:52,517 --> 01:26:55,624
I'm just hoping that
people will not allow it
1583
01:26:55,658 --> 01:26:58,109
to be abused over and
over and over again.
1584
01:26:59,731 --> 01:27:02,838
[light melodic music]
1585
01:27:05,427 --> 01:27:09,051
[multiple voices speaking]
1586
01:27:46,053 --> 01:27:49,367
[melodic country music]
1587
01:28:11,493 --> 01:28:14,392
♪ Three days in a cave
1588
01:28:14,427 --> 01:28:18,362
♪ Friend to be saved
calling out to Mother Mary ♪
1589
01:28:18,396 --> 01:28:21,572
♪ Asking for a raise
1590
01:28:21,606 --> 01:28:24,782
♪ Four nights on the road
1591
01:28:24,816 --> 01:28:28,337
♪ Coming back home, travels
in these soulless cities ♪
1592
01:28:28,372 --> 01:28:32,824
♪ Wring about familiar
pities in restless prose ♪
1593
01:28:32,859 --> 01:28:36,725
♪ To just bones
1594
01:28:36,759 --> 01:28:40,729
♪ Time will beat on
1595
01:28:40,763 --> 01:28:43,697
♪ With its perfect
drums and pantomimes ♪
1596
01:28:43,732 --> 01:28:45,941
♪ Switching buttons
and pushing lines ♪
1597
01:28:45,975 --> 01:28:48,737
♪ The spotlight fades
to pull the punch ♪
1598
01:28:48,771 --> 01:28:51,567
♪ And say
1599
01:28:51,602 --> 01:28:56,089
♪ That life will roll on
1600
01:28:56,123 --> 01:28:58,712
♪ With its undercurrents
and overtones ♪
1601
01:28:58,747 --> 01:29:00,990
♪ Whistling winds
through dried up bones ♪
1602
01:29:01,025 --> 01:29:05,995
♪ A mother with her
arms wide open sings ♪
1603
01:29:06,617 --> 01:29:09,620
♪ That you
1604
01:29:09,654 --> 01:29:14,659
♪ You are not alone
1605
01:29:16,627 --> 01:29:18,939
♪ The universe
laughs in the face ♪
1606
01:29:18,974 --> 01:29:21,286
♪ Of those who dare
to tackle grace ♪
1607
01:29:21,321 --> 01:29:26,326
♪ And burn the midnight
candles for a while ♪
1608
01:29:27,223 --> 01:29:28,880
♪ Drifting on the edge of time
1609
01:29:28,915 --> 01:29:31,055
♪ A stone's throw
from oblivion ♪
1610
01:29:31,089 --> 01:29:36,094
♪ You'll meet your shadow
self face to face ♪
1611
01:29:37,337 --> 01:29:41,548
♪ See that it's just
fear you embrace ♪
1612
01:29:42,342 --> 01:29:46,242
♪ Time will beat on
1613
01:29:46,277 --> 01:29:49,211
♪ With its perfect
drums and pantomimes ♪
1614
01:29:49,245 --> 01:29:51,420
♪ Switching parts
and pushing lines ♪
1615
01:29:51,455 --> 01:29:54,389
♪ The spotlight fades
to pull the punch ♪
1616
01:29:54,423 --> 01:29:57,012
♪ And say
1617
01:29:57,046 --> 01:30:00,981
♪ That life will roll on
1618
01:30:01,016 --> 01:30:04,122
♪ With its undercurrents
and overtones ♪
1619
01:30:04,157 --> 01:30:06,435
♪ Whistling winds
through dried up bones ♪
1620
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:11,371
♪ A mother with her
arms wide open sings ♪
1621
01:30:11,406 --> 01:30:14,823
♪ That you
1622
01:30:14,857 --> 01:30:19,862
♪ You are not alone
1623
01:30:21,692 --> 01:30:23,659
♪ She puts you on your knees
1624
01:30:23,694 --> 01:30:26,559
♪ As you're begging,
darling, please ♪
1625
01:30:26,593 --> 01:30:31,356
♪ Release me so I
can baby step away ♪
1626
01:30:31,391 --> 01:30:34,359
♪ She whispers back to me
1627
01:30:34,394 --> 01:30:36,776
♪ Magic moments only
works in threes ♪
1628
01:30:36,810 --> 01:30:41,297
♪ And all you have to
do is live to play ♪
1629
01:30:41,332 --> 01:30:46,302
♪ And the sun will rise
to shine another day ♪
1630
01:30:47,545 --> 01:30:51,411
♪ Time will beat on
1631
01:30:51,446 --> 01:30:54,414
♪ With its perfect
drums and pantomimes ♪
1632
01:30:54,449 --> 01:30:56,589
♪ Switching parts
and pushing lines ♪
1633
01:30:56,623 --> 01:30:59,143
♪ The spotlight fades
to pull the punch ♪
1634
01:30:59,177 --> 01:31:02,111
♪ And say
1635
01:31:02,146 --> 01:31:06,046
♪ That life will roll on
1636
01:31:06,081 --> 01:31:09,049
♪ With its undercurrents
and overtones ♪
1637
01:31:09,084 --> 01:31:11,535
♪ Whistling winds
through dried up bones ♪
1638
01:31:11,569 --> 01:31:16,574
♪ A mother with her
arms wide open sings ♪
1639
01:31:17,230 --> 01:31:21,476
♪ That you
1640
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:24,479
♪ You are not alone
1641
01:31:27,654 --> 01:31:31,347
[melodic melancholic music]
1642
01:31:36,042 --> 01:31:39,597
- [Bob] The only thing that
I would really like to say
1643
01:31:41,323 --> 01:31:43,877
is the way the families
have been ripped off,
1644
01:31:43,912 --> 01:31:46,086
I mean, hundreds and I told
the Attorney General that,
1645
01:31:46,121 --> 01:31:50,125
I said these families bought
these graves in good faith,
1646
01:31:50,159 --> 01:31:53,093
knowing they had a place to go
if something happened to 'em
1647
01:31:53,128 --> 01:31:54,509
or something happened
to their loved ones
1648
01:31:54,543 --> 01:31:57,235
and then when the time comes,
1649
01:31:57,270 --> 01:32:01,274
they're told there's no
room, they can't use it,
1650
01:32:01,308 --> 01:32:03,172
you know, that's not right,
1651
01:32:03,207 --> 01:32:07,107
thousands, there's gotta be
thousands of 'em out there,
1652
01:32:07,142 --> 01:32:10,076
that own property there,
they can't use it,
1653
01:32:10,110 --> 01:32:14,045
they paid for it and they're
not gonna get their money back,
1654
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:18,256
they're not gonna get
another site to replace it,
1655
01:32:18,291 --> 01:32:19,741
the money's not there,
1656
01:32:19,775 --> 01:32:24,193
I mean, they've been
shafted big time
1657
01:32:24,228 --> 01:32:26,126
and I think everybody
turned their back on 'em,
1658
01:32:26,161 --> 01:32:28,404
I think the Attorney General
turned her back on 'em,
1659
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:31,442
they didn't go far
enough to help 'em.
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